The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #449: Nosferatu (1922) & Nosferatu (2024)

Episode Date: January 3, 2025

This week has some bite as we check out Vampyre lore. Cool of the week includes Squid Game, Beast Games, and Gladiator 2. Trailers are Bystanders and Grafted. The Podcast spotlight shines on 3-2-1 Ghost. And we get feedback from Mark Tuit, Helen Horobin, Sean Price, Michel Prazeres, Andrew Harvey, Jeff Goldwater, Chuck Stiles Jr., David J Gaffney, amd Michael Demetriou. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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I'm Lance. And with me, as always, we've got Brian and Philip. How's it going, guys? It's going. Good. I'm jolly for the New Year's. Holidays. Made it. Made it through 2024.

Brian, Brian's got the took. You carried the took forward. It's cold now. Probably like negative 30 degrees up in that motherfucker. January and February, always the coldest. It's like 60 degrees here and I was like, ooh, it's chilly outside. Yeah, it's a little chilly right now. It was 80 degrees here yesterday.

80 fucking degrees, Brian. What are we doing? Is we doing weather? It is actually 12 degrees. Ouch. 12 degrees. Holy shit. I wouldn't even have to do with myself. It's warm right now. You're on a warming trend, huh? Hey, we're in the positive. Oh man, do you guys have a good New Year's celebration? Hung out with the family. Nice. Yeah, pretty much the same here. Hung out. Yeah, dude. Do any grilling, Philip? Oh, yeah, dude, over Christmas, I made it.

a, oh, well, I already told you guys that. I did a smoked ham and another brisket. Did you take a picture? That's right. No, I probably should have. Dude, that smoked ham came out pretty good. And then I remade some of that smoked ham in like these little Hawaiian roll slider things. Oh, nice.

Nice. Yeah. So, yeah, we definitely had some pretty good food going. Yeah. And, of course, the drinks were flowing. I'm trying to cut back, although not necessarily right now. I'm gonna try dry January for the local. Yeah, see how far I get.

So I'm sober on this episode. This may be the last one, but at least I'm sober tonight. All right, guys, cool of the week. Who's going first? Who wants to bash in? I got a lot, so maybe I'll go last. I'll jump in. I got a couple of them.

So I checked out Squid Game Season 2. Oh, all right. Which. Brian, did you check it out yet? No. I had to, for summer. reason I thought I watched the whole first season and when I put it on Netflix so that I was on like episode seven of season one so oh finish season one okay I must I must have had season

one spoiled or something because I knew exactly what happened okay or you already saw it and forgot that happens me a lot yeah more than I've cared to admit right yeah uh but yeah it was it was It was pretty good. It took a couple episodes to get going. The first two or three episodes were a little slow. I think like two. The first two episodes were a little slow. It was like set up to get them back in the games, right?

And then it leaves on a giant cliffhanger. So instead of actually making a season two and a season three, I mean, technically they made a season two and a season three, but what they did is made a really long season and cut it in half. Okay, that's why it's only like six. episodes or something, right? Yeah, it's like seven. It's like seven.

And there's no conclusion to anything. So if you want to wait and binge at all, I think the new one's coming out in the summer of 2025. Yeah, it's the finale. Yeah. And so that'll be the completion of this thing. I mean, because they left it on a

major cliffhanger. I was like, what the fuck, man? There's no episodes. So they cover kite it. Yeah. It's bad. Maybe the old metal thing. Yeah. But still a pretty good show, especially once they get back into the games. They throw a few wrenches in the mix, and it's kind of fun. So it's interesting. I like the characters. There's this one rapper guy with purple hair, and he's like such a fucking dork. He tries to act cool the whole time. It's so fine.

He's like a TikTok influencer or would? yeah well he's supposed to be some rapper but okay he he I'm like nobody takes this guy fucking seriously if he's in the games he must not be doing too good yeah right that's true too well apparently he lost all his money with crypto from the guy who suggested

that he buy the crypto who is also in the games so that's fun is that one chick in trouble with that the Hock Tour girl Oh something I'm not sure about that story exactly I think she did Some bullshit

I think she did a pump and dump scheme Yeah Wow they start getting Congress on those kind of things We'll be in trouble Oh man Yeah Spit on that thing

That's a podcast man That's wild right and then I watched I had to get some of my top and bottom list in so I did both I got the substance and I got the new Joker movie I do it

I almost watched it I was up at like four in the morning had nothing to watch saw it kept scrolling yeah like I wanted to watch it just to see it I was like, it can't be that bad.

I mean, it's got some really good people in it. But it was like every time they just busted out in a song for no fucking reason, I was like, all you doing is killing the story. It'd be a great double feature with Wicked for you, Brian. Lance, I almost watch that too because it's available now in HD. Yeah, it's out there. It's out there. Yeah, I asked the daughter one more time.

It was like, you want to watch it? She's like, no. Yeah. So my daughter wanted to see it. Well, she thought she wanted to see it. Uh-huh. And so when I went to go see Nosferatu, my wife and daughter went to go see Wicked. And I asked her what she thought of it when she came out. And she was like, uh, it's not for me. At least she knows. At least she knows. And that's, that's what I got this week. A not cool and a couple of pretty cool. So what do you think?

Squid Game for the shoutout? Yeah, I'm going to give Squid Game the shout out because I'm really not going to get a chance to talk about it again. I'm sure I'll talk about the substance again next week. Makes sense. Gotcha. All right, what's you got, Brian? You want to go last?

I can go now. I'll go real quick. Start with my not cool of the week. I saw werewolves. I did too. Holy shit. Like real ones? that would have been a lot better

that would have been much better I know you guys were not lying oh man dialogue yeah it's like AI got together with another AI that got together with an alien and we're like this is how people

talk to each other how are you doing fellow humans and then that ending where he just reaches out his hand and then just cuts I think I audibly was like what the fuck Yeah, there was a lot of what-the-fuck moments in that movie.

They missed an opportunity. That movie should have been nothing but like badass fighting werewolf action throughout. Yeah. Yeah. It had the possibility to be really cool and they didn't do it. And sometimes the werewolves look cool, but then the camera would cut to another angle and then I would just be like, ugh. Yeah. I kind of liked the, like they put the jackets on the werewolves and shit like that.

and I was like, oh, now you can tell him apart. And that's kind of cool. He's like the punk wear wolf, Frank. They had earrings. They had the guy with the wolf killer. Yeah. Yeah. That was a bad asshole.

I kind of wish they would have kept their clothes when they changed because I know. Sometimes the werewolves show up and then somebody would be like, that's such and such. And I was like, how do you know? Right. How do you know? Werewolf with no clothes.

I would know that don't. I'd know that dong anywhere. So that, that, that'll, that, That'll pop up on the list. So people wake up the next morning just naked in the street? I guess. Well, they didn't like naked in the zoo and American Werewolf in London, right? Yeah, that's true.

Except now there's a shitload of them. I also checked out Y2K. Ah, what did you think? Oh, I forgot about that one. Not bad. I do agree with Pedro. I do wish it would have kept up with the super bad high school, nerdy kid trying to get the girls' storylines.

because it just kind of seemed off when it turned to the Y2K, all the electronic little gadgets trying to kill people. Right. So, but it wasn't too bad. That's the one with Rachel Zegler in it, right? Yeah, her. She is kryptonite for movies right now. Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Well, I hear that they may end up canceling that snow white. it's gotten shit around every corner it's tried to turn. You mean like not even run it? I don't know. Just do the old tax right off thing? Maybe. It's good.

It's going Disney Plus. Yeah. Oh, straight directed theater. I knew it was in trouble when they, because it had like live action seven dwarves, and then they changed it to CGI seven dwarves. And I was like, okay, you guys don't know what you want this movie to be. Right.

E. Let's see. They could have had Peter Dinklage in there, right? Playing all seven of the dwarves. But that was the big controversy at the beginning. They had the seven dwarves and none of them were actually dwarves. I know. You know, the little guys in Hollywood were like, hey, what the fuck? This is like our movie.

I don't know why people got mad at that. The hobbits weren't hobbits. Also, they weren't little people. Good point. since you guys will probably never watch it in Wicked Philip the munchkins aren't munchkins they're like regular size people

so I was going to be I bet there's going to be some pissed off midgets working in Hollywood trying to that's the last thing you want is an angry midget that's right doesn't you remember elf I also checked out

Gladiator 2 oh nice fun movie fun I had fun with it It's definitely nowhere near the original one. Well, that's hard to do. I thought sometimes the, I don't know the main actor's name, sometimes like he came off a little flat to me.

Yeah, he's an Irish actor. He was on Saturday Night Live a few weeks ago. I can't remember his name either. Denzel was good in it. Pedro Pascal was good in it. The guy Eddie from Stranger Things, he was good as the emperor. Right.

But my main issue with it is it's like two and a half hours long. maybe even three I don't know okay kind of boring in certain parts so they would have tightened it up I think it would have been a lot better I can see that let's see checked out last night I checked out wolves on Apple TV Plus with the George Clooney oh yeah yeah yeah okay what are they both like they're completing cleaners okay Yeah. Did they pull it off? Oh, I can't spoil it, Lance.

Okay. All right. Fair enough. They come together. They come to do the same job. They don't know each other. They don't know why they were called to the same job, and they got to figure out how to work together. It's complete.

It's boring. Was it better, but was it better than werewolves? Yes, it was. Okay. Even though I couldn't tell you, I could tell you how wolves started. I could tell you how it ended. I could not tell you nothing in the middle. Uh-oh.

But I can tell you it's a better movie than werewolves. Okay. I guess sticking on the dog trend, I saw the new Amy Adams movie on Hulu Night Bitch, where she slowly becomes a dog. What? What the fuck are they grasping at straws for? What's this all about?

It's one of those movies. It has other meanings. It's her dealing with. being mother and stuff like that. It's fine. And being a bitch at night. What's his name's a complete weenie again? Scoot McNary from Speak No-Yo.

I just having a hard time. I mean, you watch him as a husband in that movie. You're like, okay, I can see why she turns into a night, bitch. What does she do during the day? Sleep all day or what? I mean, it starts with her, like, you know, going. Basically, she's with the kid. She has a kid.

She's with the kid all day. The husband's like never home. Okay, I guess. And he's one of those. He's like, I thought you wanted it that way. And it's just It's his character Basically from Speak No Evil Being a wean. Oh, Lord.

About the movie. She slowly like takes on a dog characteristics. Uh-huh. I wonder why his wife cheated on him. Check that out. And last thing I checked out was a new reality game show. You guys know Mr. Beasts?

Don't say it. Yeah. These games? My grandson's had his fucking YouTube videos going the whole time they visited us last year. I'm like, Jesus Christ, man. I've seen it up Mr. Beast the last a lifetime here. The game show is fun. The game show is fun.

Is it? What happens? It gives $5 million to one person? I know of him. I don't know much about him. Yeah. The game show basically is a thousand people competing for $5 million. It's the biggest giveaway of a game show ever.

And they compete in all these different competitions throughout. Think of like when they did the reality. game show for Squid Game. Like stuff like that. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's cool. And there's a lot of... That was actually a lot of fun. I can't wait until they do that again. It's like that.

It's like that, but they're ramping up the the betrayals and the misleading. The people think that... It drives me crazy, but it's also entertaining when people have breakdowns. Like, I don't want to... I don't want you to get eliminated. you're my friend and I'm just like

bitch you've only known him for like two days kind of like the crow that movie The Crow where they'd known each other in a drug rehab for a day another enough but it's well if there's one thing that Mr. Beast knows

it's fucking algorithms so yeah that doesn't surprise me million plus per video mm-hmm so it's cool I like

he's doing it we're not I like that stuff. I like the... I got... Of course, I got my picks to win it because they're playing the game, right? They're making friends, but also they're not holding on to any relationships

because at the end of the day, you're trying to win $5 million. Yeah, okay. So... Very squid-gaming then, it sounds like. Yeah. He actually did the Squid Game show before Squid Games did.

He did his version. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I think I saw that video. That's when the grandson showed me. So in this new season, I hate to get into spoilers. I guess it's not really necessarily a spoiler, but like the main guy that won last year is trying to stop the games. Yeah, we knew that at the end. There's a whole lot of internal struggle with the players that are there who are just, you know, trying to win money. and then like him and his team who are trying to get the fuck out yes okay I'm looking forward to seeing it I'm definitely gonna watch season two all right that's that's it for me

so what's what's what's number one it was kind of hard to tell from your you didn't seem to have a clear winner was it mr. beast I go beast games okay everything was okay at best I was more entertained with watching people lose the chance to win millions of dollars. Oh man, Philip, he picked Beast games over Gladiator 2,

which happens to be my cool of the week. Hey, there it is. I fucking love it, right? Did you love the CGI Baboons? Oh, that was hilarious. That was fucking hilarious. We were calling our dog a baboon

for like three hours after the battle. Get out from the couch, you baboons. The CGI baboons, they fight them in the arena. Sometimes their gladiators are not even, doesn't even look like they're looking at them while they're fighting them. It's pretty rough. They could have been fighting real baboons. Hey, what about the CGI sharks? They actually had CGI sharks.

Did they really do that? Or is that a movie? I don't know. They flood the arena? No. Oh, there's no way. There's no way. I don't think you could hold the water, would it?

It doesn't make sense from a physics perspective. The rhinoceros was pretty cool. It was fun to watch. Yeah, the rhinoceros was awesome. The big dude and armor riding on top of the rhinoceros. I just like the way that, I don't know, dude. It was just dumb, dumb fun. You know, I hadn't seen a movie like that with all the action scenes and, you know,

like all the fights and battles. Like, you couldn't go to interfa. You said there were a couple of, you know, kind of slower parts where they were building. Yeah, when they tried to get in the political stuff. Yeah, that's true. Kind of like trying to copy Star Wars or something like that with Emperor Palpatine type thing and the intrigue and all that. But you got to admit, dude, the battle scenes were fun. And I can give the CTI baby.

I just didn't like how they were trying to mislead us on who he was. it was easy to figure early yeah but then he kept on trying to do this I'm not who you think I am and I'm like yeah you fucking are we're gonna have a big moment at the end oh he did he had a big moment at the end oh my get yeah Dinsel was was fucking awesome Philip think of it this way

like if can you imagine a flamboyant Denzel Not really, but he's pretty awesome and about everything that he's in. He was awesome, dude. He was convincing. I mean, you know how they say those ancient Greeks were, you know? What was that one line where he said, sometimes meep refers the man over the women or something.

Yeah, I guess they all over the place, man. I guess they cut a scene out where he kisses another man. And he was just. He just the guy on the cheeks and stuff. Well, I guess he kisses the guy. and I guess they were asking him in an interview and he was like, I don't know why they take it out. I'm fine with it.

Oh, yeah. I'm an actor. He was definitely hitting into it. And Denzel is a stand-up dude, man. That's surprising. Oh, yeah. Yeah, from the interview I've seen, four or five more movies, and he's done.

Well, that makes sense. Which he, he, maybe one or two a year. He already announced Black Panther three, and I guess he wasn't supposed to. whoops uh oh well yeah he did it he had to apologize he's old he forgets if any uh yeah if anybody can get away with it he can

I did start uh I think I think we're like five episodes into uh one that you watch Brian Agatha all along you saw all of them yeah did you make it through the end of Agatha all along Can you hear me? Yeah can you hear me? I know your video it's frozen.

Oh no. Sunderman. But yeah, I made it through all the episodes. Yeah, can you guys hear me now? Yeah. Yeah, I like the I guess I would call it like the Cabin in the Woods episode or the Evil Dead episode.

Well, that's cool. But yeah, Gladiator 2. Dumb fun. I enjoyed it. C.G.I. Baboons. folks. If they'd have fought real bad booms, they would have all died. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they look pretty. Well, the one guy, well, I don't want to give too much away.

It's a brand new movie. Check it out, make up your own mind, but I had fun with it. But yeah, Brian's right. They did kind of, you had to suspend disbelieve in a few parts. Yeah, well, I saw that in the trailer. When they, like, filled it up and had the ships going across, I was like, all right. Yeah. Yeah, where the gladiators are being kept, you see, like, the water leaking down.

I'm like, this doesn't seem safe. Right. I kept expecting, like, an ice cream truck with a killer clown head on it to knock them all down or something. But anyway, all right, that's cool of the week. Brian, we got any horror headlines? Not really We've got a couple things We're about to get to it

Welcome to Dairy series soon And they're saying we're getting them more As they're putting it a hardcore bloody, gorier Pennywise Okay Than the movies Bill Scarsgard will be back As Penny Wise

Awesome He does a great one I don't think there's any news Because of the holiday It's that slow time of the year, folks. Is that about it? David Fincher's panic room is getting a Brazilian remake. Well, that's fun.

What? Okay. See if I can find anything else. I did a last week. I did one of those, what is it? I guess it's not called it. Is it called the Panic Room? Where you have to, like, find the clues and shit to...

Yeah. Yeah. So we do one of those for Halloween with my daughter. It was fun. Secret. Secret. No, not secret room. Something.

Yeah. I don't think it's panic room. But, yeah, one of those. Escape room. Yeah, there. That was the first time I'd done one. It was a lot of fun. It was cheesy, but it was fun.

I want to go to the one of those where you break shit. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun. I've heard of those where they give you a big hammer or something like that and you just tear everything apart. Yeah,

bring this laptop. Hope they play some music in the background. That may do that on its own from what those are on there. We're getting a new Ghostbusters animated film.

Huh. Well. Kind of reaching here. Sure. Yeah. Why not? Why not? Yeah, that's it.

I don't know how to feel about that Is that it? I guess they're doing an animated film and series. Well, series makes sense if it's for the kids, I guess. I think it's all going to be connected. I don't know if they're going to be connected to the actual movies.

That just tells you how bad Frozen Empire did. Yeah, that was not good. Wasn't great. The haunted house at Universal was a lot more fun than the movie, that's for sure. Ouch. Come on, Hollywood. Get your shit together. Yeah. All right.

Speaking to get your shit together. Philip, where are we headed next, Philip? We're going to the trailer park. Yeah. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first new trailer this week, man? We're going to start with the rape, revenge film Bystanders. directed by

Mac Andrews. Yeah. I mean, I'm assuming they're like they're drugging these girls up and then chasing them through the woods. I don't understand that they're drugging them up.

How are they chasing them through the woods? Maybe they drug them up to get them to the woods. I don't know. Okay, could be. And then, I was going to say, I don't think Bill Cosby ran a lot of marathons after people. Not after they ate his pudding pop.

That's right. What did you guys think of bystanders? Very low budget. Yeah, but it looks okay. It seems like there's some people in it that, like, I mean, you know, just based on the name and what I saw on the trailer, it looks like there's some people that just are in the wrong place at the wrong time and run into these awful people. And, yeah, there's people like that.

So, never know. Yeah, I kind of, I get the impression that maybe it was people that normally, you know, don't get involved or do anything. And like, they're in this situation. They're like, well, we're not just going to stand by and let them, you know, chase down and drug and rape these people. So maybe instead of like a direct rape revenge movie, maybe it's more like people who normally would be like on the sidelines that decide to get involved. And I think that final scene where there's three people standing around a campfire or something might have given away the last three people standing in the movie. I don't know. But it kind of looked like that scene might have been a bit of a spoiler.

I got a little when they started chasing them through the woods. I got a little deliverance in there the way they was like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm assuming that guy in the white dress shirt. I'm assuming he's the good guy. Look like it. Yeah, the nerd.

We'll give it a shot, right? Yeah, it comes out January 21st. Okay. And I said it was streaming, so. All right, the next and final trailer is one that's coming to Shutter, and it's called Grafted, a new body horror movie. this is directed by Sasha Rainbow

who they made sure it is put from the mind of Sasha Rainbow Who is that? No idea. Let's see what she's done. I've never heard of her name. She's worked on nothing that I know.

Yeah, probably porn. But looking at the trailer this this looks very interesting it looks very well directed well acted looks like there's going to be a lot of body horror in there maybe a little bit of a dark humor in there a little bit of comedy in there yeah yeah i can see that i think you know speaking of the substance i it seems like they are doing a lot of this body horror stuff with like contrasting it with really beautiful things.

Because he seemed like pretty people. And I don't know. I don't know what the movie's about really, but it looks like they have that contrast going and I kind of like that. That's cool. Well, they look like they're doing, I don't know if you guys seen a movie influencer where the killer had the birthmark on her face.

Was that good? Yeah, it was pretty good. It was pretty decent. I liked it. I watched. It looks like they're going route where this girl has like something on her face and we're supposed to right she's ugly or something oh yeah like the old like the old uh when the girl's wearing the glasses she's a nerd but it's yeah she takes them off smoking on yeah just like uh i don't know if you guys remember a ready player one when he meets the real girl and she has that birthmark on her eye artemus oh yeah yeah you're supposed to um she shows the birth

Mark, and I'm still waiting to see what's wrong. Yeah. Right. Oh, she's hideous. Come on. Nesta. But this one looks interesting, and it's coming to shutter. It's like, I don't have a release date for it.

It's coming to shutter soon, and I think it's still in the festival round. It looks good. And usually body horror stuff, they'll go with more practical effects, which makes it way more effective. It's a New Zealand film. Oh, okay. Get them New Zealand. I think we're all in.

Yeah, they've got a few of them that are pretty decent. Yeah. Well, that's it. All right. On to listener feedback. Let's see. This week, we shine the podcast spotlight on 3-2-1 Ghost. The 3-2-1 Ghost podcast is a podcast

that discusses spooky movies, shows, and games. On New Year's Eve, the podcast wraps up the year by discussing their favorite and least favorite spooky media. Also announces the recipient of the 3-21 Goat Award, which you've already missed at the point of this show. But that's okay. Check them out. They're good. 3-2-1 Ghost, okay.

Yeah, and Mark Tewit posted Support Your Local Vampire. and the Horror Returns Facebook page posted a link to his Indiegogo page for Nora, a full-length feature horror film. The Nora is a gothic story of a 200-year-old female vampire who wants to have a baby. Well, that's a new one.

That's a twist. You can create life if you're dead. I'm thinking not. That's kind of what I was wondering. It makes it fascinating. Well, she wants to. It doesn't say if she successfully does, right? Just adopt.

Search for No in vitro, huh? There's murder and foster kids. Search Indiegogo for Nora, a feature-length horror film, and you can help make this happen. Yeah, go help support our filmmakers that are trying to get new horror out to us, you know?

That's the only way they're going to make it. We're going to try to do more interviews on the show this year too. Yeah, you never know. You support a up-and-coming filmmaker that could be the next, whoever next, Osgood Perkins, who did Nassarachia. That could be the next.

The next Ariasster, right? Yeah, that's, wait, not. Osgood didn't do Robert Eggers. There you go. I was like, I don't think that's right. I was good. He did long legs. He did long legs. Long legs. There he goes. And on the Facebook group, Brian posted,

What's Your Favorite Horror Movie of 2024? Vote and Lead a Comment Below. So far, Terror Fire 3 is leading the way with 27%. Wow. Substance is right behind it. Yeah. Uh-huh. Okay. Helen Horriban says, My Favor is not listed, but it's an awesome film called Cursed and Baja, written, directed, and also stars my favorite actor, Jeff Daniel Phillips. Nope.

Hey. 10 out of 10 for me. It's a crazy ride of a film. Is it a sequel to the Monsters or what? I think I've seen the trailer. It doesn't really look horror. Really? It's more like the suspense, maybe.

Suspense thriller. Okay. Check it out. It'd be good. I like this. He's front center on the poster. What's it called again? Kirst in Baja.

Kirst in Baja. Kirst in Baja. Okay. Let's see. For Nospheratu, Sean Price says poster is better than the movie. Shame.

Oh, shots fired already, huh? We'll see if we agree. Let's see. In regards to the ninth gate. Michael Prazeris says Saw It in Theaters. Great, great movie. The Ninth Gat.

Who's in that one? Johnny Depp. Johnny Depp, I thought so. I think this came out the same time as Secret Window. Oh, Secret Window is what I was thinking. That's right. I take everybody saw a secret window instead of Ninth G. Yeah, I got them confused in my head.

I'll have to rewatch the Ninth Gade. I don't see that in a minute. Secret window is good, though. I like that. He stole my story. He's got stupid hair. Based on a Stephen King short story. Novella, I think.

In regards to Black Christmas, Andrew Harvey says original best. Yeah, not the new one. Yeah. Oh, R.I.P. Olivia, I see. Oh, no. Yeah, she passed away. The star of the original.

Like Christmas. Not the Imogen Putes version, Philip. Well, and there was an in-between one, which I think is what he's talking about here when he says original best, other not that bad. I like that second one. That 90s one? That was good. Because it was so off-the-wall crazy. Yeah, it wasn't bad.

Let's see. In regards to Terrifier 3, Jeff Goldwater says, we were all hoping he would at the Midnight Show opening night. I guess he would be there at the midnight show opening. And we were not disappointed. I don't know what he was saying. Anyway. He must have seen like the official release or something where maybe Art the Clown showed up. Maybe.

Damien Leone. He says it's funny as hell, delightfully eating sand his cookies during dunking the milk and washing the dishes while as the entire family is laying around hacked up. So damn funny. Got a sense of humor. Get a sense of humor or don't watch horror. Good advice, good advice. Chuck Stiles, Jr. says The Gabby Sienna Diamic was probably one of my favorite aspects of the film,

so relatable. Cannot wait to see where Terrifier 4 takes this. Well, it's not too relatable. David J. Gaffney says, Hard Pass on this franchise now. Not for everybody. Not for everybody, is it? Well, I can understand that.

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as well as the robert edgar's remake but let's start with it 1922 uh vampire count or lock expresses interest in a new residence in real estate agent's hudder's wife uh hutter yeah well then we'll get into that because oh oh god it's in the yes we will uh director is f w merno also known for faust and phantom uh writer is henrik galeen based on bramstoker's novel dracula like a lot um All known prints and negative were destroyed under the terms of a settlement by lawsuit by Bram Stoker's widow. The film would subsequently resurface through second generation reels in other countries. Yeah, they sued them because they stole their entire book and just changed the names.

Or did they? And we'll get into that. Instead of London, it was Germany. Yeah Right No Van Helsing After 102 years Virtually all of the Exteriors are still intact

In the cities of Wismar And And Lubek I don't know how to pronounce those I'm sorry I guess I guess they do tourist Tours or whatever

Oh that's cool Yeah you go to all Like the I guess it's all still there Yeah Very old timey Germany Yeah Imagine going on Halloween,

right? Wouldn't that be awesome? That would be pretty cool and creepy. I hope to have somebody dressed up as Nussaratu. You're jumping around the corner.

Yeah. Ah, really slowly. The movie was banned in Sweden due to excessive horror. The ban was finally lifted in 1972. Whoa.

50-year ban. Yeah. Well, I guess it was relatively creepy when it first came out, but man, that's excessive. Seems like those crazy

Swedes, huh? I guess. All right. Lance, you want to start us off on the original? I'm so fucking confused, guys. Okay, so there's so many versions of this. There's, Amazon Prime has Nostratu

1922 in color, right? It's like a colorized, restored version. And then there was other ones as well, but then I actually went with one that was on Screenbox, and it was original black and white, and

my God, was it a really low, low quality copy? But this is what gets me, dude. The movie starts, and I'm like, am I watching the right Nosferatu because it goes through like all the credits and everything? And then the little cards

come up, right? Because there's no dialogue. It's a silent movie. So the little title cards would come up. And it literally said, like at the beginning, it said the guy's name is Renfield that he worked for. Well, we'll get into that in the movie, but the old man that sent him, you know, to sign with your ink and maybe a little blood. Yeah, they changed that up a little bit. Changed it up a little bit. But they actually called him Renfield in the title cards.

He actually said, you're going to Dracula's Castle. They actually called him. Yes. They actually called. They called her by the same names as the Dracula novel. What is it? Jonathan Harkness or Harker or whatever. Yeah.

And then her name. Help me out here, guys. Her name in Dracula. Yeah, Mina. They actually, on the title cards, they had all the fucking... So I thought, did somebody just, like, put the wrong title cards on this version or whatever? Yes. So anyway, I get, like, ten minutes into it, and I'm like, wait a minute.

They're not supposed to be using these names. You know, they're supposed to be using the names of, you know, these men. made up names, like instead of Harker at Harknet or whatever, instead of even Minora or whatever. So I go through and I pick up my phone while I'm watching the movie on screenbox on the TV. And so I start watching the Prime Colorized version. And it's the same exact movie, but the fucking title cards are different. Yeah.

They use the new names that are in the new movie that Eggers did. And I'm like, what is going on here? I think there's a bunch of different versions. I guess there's a bunch of different versions. But, you know, look, for an hour and 23 minutes, considering this was made literally 102 years ago, you know, for what they were able to do as far as some of the creepiness, you know, the way that it was filmed, the special effects. You know, my hat's off to them. You know, they did, uh, Murnaud did probably in that time, like people were super creeped out. Obviously, if, if Sweden banned it for 50 years, it, you know, it must, must have been scary.

there was kind of a lot of build-up. It was the vampires that run Sweden that band it. You know what? That makes sense. That actually makes sense. Okay, look, it's fucking cheesy and clunky, right? By today's standards, you know. Well, yeah.

And I'll tell you this, the chick that played his gal, I honestly thought it was a dude and drag it first. I was like, holy shit, that's one ugly chick. It's like, uh-oh, do they have to do that back to the old days? Like, you know, the old Shakespeare plays where they had like, you know, men play all the roles. Not the 70s version. That one came on immediately after this.

And I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw, like, the first scene with her in the bed. I was like, damn, she's hot for 1979. Big difference. Big difference. Yeah. Yeah, it was clunky. It was cheesy. but yeah I mean you gotta I guess you gotta put yourself in the

headspace of what would somebody think of this in 1922 so yeah all and all I can see why this movie's considered a classic especially some of those scenes like in the very last 10 or 15 minutes with like his shadow and then his shadow crosses her heart

and then she acts like she feels it and yeah not terrible but very confusing I didn't know which version to watch and I'm like what the fuck is going on here yeah yeah that's because it was apparently because they were all destroyed i don't even know which one is the original version but i've heard that before i was looking it up and there was like yeah there there was there was one version that was using the original bram stoker's names

that's the one i saw that's the one i caught uh brian would you think german expressionism at its finest and it's not for me this movie boring confusing I do recognize what they did for 1922 was pretty amazing with what

they had to work with I'm sure when people watched it they probably thought it was like magic or something going on well the makeup in particular yeah for him count Dracula I mean count Orlock yeah

confused. He, I like what they did because he, he looked like a rat. Yeah. And there was a lot of usage of rats in there. And that was around the same time. I believe a few years before this movie came out was the,

the black plague. Right. Yeah, I like a lot of years, but yeah. It was, it was at least in the relatively distant past, you know?

So I'm sure the, the scenes of when the guys are coming, marking the cross on the doors of the infected, I'm sure they're probably, It was way more scarier watching that than Count Orlock, especially all the rats and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, they did have that pandemic, right? In 19, the Spanish flu, right?

Spanish flu, yeah. And that was right in 1900. So, like literally 20 years before this. Yeah. So I like what they did there. His look is iconic. You know, we've seen him as early as or as latest as, what we do in the shadows the series.

Oh, that's right. That's right. And Salem's Lot. The Baron. Salem's Lot, they use that look. Yeah. So very iconic. The acting was fucking weird as shit.

Everybody was always smiling and laughing. Even like when shit was like not supposed to be a smiling laughing matter. Right, right. And I just didn't understand this guy, Hutter. Like, he's got this book. where it's basically an instruction guide to what's going to happen and what's happening. And he reads like a couple pages and he slams the book down. He's like, I'll read this book later.

I'm like, what the fuck is going on? He really wanted to get that sale, didn't he? Yeah. But, I mean, I did have some laughing moments. I'm pretty sure they weren't supposed to be for laughs. but those moments were a good time, but it's just overall, this movie's just not for me.

Yeah. Understandable. I'll agree with you a little bit. So it's got, like if you're watching it now with 2024 eyes, 2025 eyes. Okay. It's definitely not a great movie.

But for them to have that movie in 1922, is kind of spectacular. I mean, like I said, the makeup was fantastic. I mean, that is a creepy nose ferratu. And it came from a time where, you know, even silent film was relatively new. I don't know when it came out specifically. But, you know, so everybody was kind of overacting like you do on the stage.

You have to make your eyes real big and smile real big. Yeah. Yeah. Orlock had them crazy eyes. Yeah. So did, not Renfield. Not Renfield. That crazy face going on.

And that hair. Yeah. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying even. I see what you're saying even when, what's his name, Hunter, Harker. Yeah. Hartnett. Hartnett.

Whatever. That guy, every time he would meet the, I'm getting all their names confused. We'll just call her Mena. Yeah. Even like when they kissed, it was all over-exaggerated. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure.

But that's just sort of what those movies did back then. So for the time, I got to give it a great score. I mean, this is definitely a classic. Yeah. It's on the must-watch list. I've always wanted to watch it and never have. So got that one crossed off. Probably not going back to it.

But I've got it knocked off the list. I think I seemed. in a YouTube video, they talked about how in the actual original version, they'd never refer to him as Nosferatu. Oh, really? Okay. I think it shows up in that book. He's the whatever is the Hutter. Yes. Yeah. When you're the pages of the book, it says the Nosphiratu. Like it's an entity or a demon or something maybe. Yeah, they never referred to him as that. Well, so I typically in the lore, NOSFeratu is just another name. name for, it's like a Latin name for vampire.

Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, obviously, I think they got it from Brand Stoker's book. Okay. But they never Barbily call him that in this movie.

Right. They either called him Orlock in Yaw's version or the version I watched they call it Dracula. That was so off-putting, man. It's the exact same story. It really kind of is, yeah It kind of is

All right, scores Lance, what do you think? This is a tough one, dude. I mean, I want my gut says four on ten, but I know. I mean, shit, dude, I guess you got to give it, you got to, you know,

I kind of enjoyed it more than I did, and I'll give it six. I know that's, yeah, the terrible of me. I should probably give it much higher because I should think more in terms of 1922, but I just didn't love it.

It really dragged in parts and... I don't know. I had a hard time paying attention. I'm kind of torn. I'm kind of torn. But I'll give it 6 on 10. I liked it more than I didn't like it. How about that?

It'd be a good background movie, right? At a Halloween party or something like that? Oh, yeah. Halloween party got off. I don't know. Because it's creepy and that like lag that's on that 1920s film is kind of unnerving. Yeah, it is.

Brian, what do you think? I'm not torn. Four out of ten. Better than I thought it was... I do. I do... The four is for all the... The stuff they did for the movies for the effects and what they had to work with, but...

Sure. I just... It's... Okay. Dracula. Just the names... It's like an episode of cops. The names are just changed.

Protect the Innocent. Yeah. I'm going to give it an 8 based on on, not based on the movie, but based on the influence. Children of the Cornsale here. Yeah, for sure, Children of the Cornstale. I mean, because it was 1922 and this started the genre. You know what I mean?

There was no Bram Stoker's Dracula before this. They just made Bram Stoker's Dracula and didn't want to pay for the rights to it. I guess. I figured that, oh, maybe it's like that, like the North Korean movies where they kidnap people and make them over there and make Americanized movies. And instead of Rambo, they'll call it Rakabo or something. Like the German rip-off of Dracula, right? Basically, it is.

It's a German rip-off of Dracula. And they just didn't want to pay for the rights to do it. And so they just made their own film. And they thought that they could do that for free, which is not cool. Because if I wrote a book with a bunch of really amazing shit, and then somebody came out with this badass movie from 19... Listen, in 1922, this was the shit, I guarantee you. Yeah, or if somebody came out with,

I'm a creep. I'm a weirdo. And I'd want a piece of that, man. You know, I don't blame her for suing them. Understandable. She probably shouldn't have destroyed all the copies, although that sort of adds to the lore. Obviously she didn't.

Yeah, it does. Well, yeah. Because, I mean, it is a, like, the classic horror movie, you know? I mean, this was, like, horror before horror was really a thing. Yeah.

The oldest film we've ever reviewed. Yeah. So I'll give it a lot of credit based on that, but having said that, I was super bored watching it. So I'm glad I got it out of the way. Okay. on like a real scale it's more like a three or two

but eish uh all right let's move on to the new one and see what we think about that one come to me who is coming to my child 2024 um a gothic tale obsessed and this is almost the same story as is the as the 1922 one right it's just an updated A lot of the same beats, yeah. They look at it that way. Expand it out, right?

Very updated, horny version. That's true. A gothic tale of obsession between a haunted young woman and the terrifying vampire infatuated with her, causing untold horror in its wake. Director and writer is Robert Eggers,

also known for the witch and the Northman. The exteriors of Orlock's castle Castle was filmed at Hunadora Castle, also known as Corvin Castle, a Romanian castle located in Transylvania and one of the largest medieval castles extant in Europe.

I don't know what that word means. What's more of the castle where Vlad Dracula was briefly imprisoned, I was going to say, I think there was like a real, like, Vlad the Impalers Castle somewhere, and I had heard that one of the Prince Charles or Philip or something, owned it at one point. A weird shit, I don't know. Kind of like Nick, kind of like Nick Cage owned the Lauderee Mansion in New Orleans until

the taxman cometh. Nobody told him to buy dinosaurs. skulls. Nick Cage is a wild dude, man. Producer Chris Columbus said Bill Scarsgarde was so terrifying in costume that he couldn't even approach him on set. That is until Scarsguard made everyone last.

Then Columbus knew Nosferatu had a sense of humor. Man, that guy is getting into some monster territory. I guess so. I guess so. Lance, for a two. Oh man, definitely paid a lot of homage. Like you guys were saying, it paid a lot of homage to the 1922. A lot of the same beats. And then they added like an hour and 10 minutes, right, to flesh it out. I think Eggers took a lot of liberties that we're going to talk about when we get into spoilers that I don't want to talk about now. He might have assumed some things were

intended in the original that I don't think necessarily were intended. I think he would. I think he might have misread the tea leaves on some of those. And this is where you don't have the same writer direct the movie. Rob Zombie, I'm talking to you. But anyway, don't want to get into any of that stuff yet. So the basic, the look of the film, I mean, you'd have to admit it was

absolutely gorgeous. They did a really, really good job with the costumes, like the costume that Hart or Popper, whatever. Nicholas Holt. There you go.

The guy was wearing. He met with the, he met with the gypsies, and he got his room and board there. You know, and then went on his journey was the exact same, like, piquot and the same hat that was in the original.

The look of the office when he walked into Not Renfield looked exactly, you know, like a bunch of old man hunched over. Hell, I thought it was a Harry Potter movie at first. And then I thought, wait a minute. This can't be historically accurate. People didn't fucking live that long back then. You can't have 12, 80 year old man all working in one in one real estate office. What's going on here? I'm not buying this shit. But yeah, it was a gorgeous film. That one particular

scene where he's like in the long hallway and then the carriage arrives. That was that was pretty striking. Oh yeah. For sure. The scenes in the castle were very striking. Yeah, they did the shadow thing. That was cool. They did the shadow thing incredibly well. A little bit of CGI fire, especially when they were going down the, you know, the little canal or whatever

to go do their vampire killing stuff. But I don't know, I could kind of forgive it a bit. But I would say that, yet again, for the second time this year, a movie was completely hijacked. by Willem Defoe's performance because this reminded me so much of the

Beetleju's Beetlejuice thing, you know, we're like, the movie's so-so, but then when Willem Defoe gets in, it goes bad shit crazy. And that's kind of what this was. We need a Willem-Defo, Nick Cage mashup. Oh, my God.

The world would explode. The world would explode. I don't want to say too much more, because I'm going to get into spoilers if I do, but I did not. go along with a lot of the story. Let's put it that way and we'll get into that later. So

gorgeous film though. Hmm. Now I have questions. Brian, what do you think? Very, I agree. Very gorgeous looking Gothic. Very sexualized version of the original one. I thought the acting was

fine. The effects were fine. The look of Orlock, I thought, was cool because they went with something a little bit different. But there was a little CGI moments that kind of threw things off for me. Like the baboons and Gladiator too? Not that bad. Not that bad.

I don't think I'm an Nospiratu fan. I was kind of bored with this one. It was just a movie about everybody wanted to fuck Lily Rose Dev. Everybody wanted to fuck her. Kick-ass didn't. He was being a gentleman. Totally wrong. But Lance's early spoiler, she accused him of wanting to fuck her. So even she thought everybody wanted to fuck her.

Oh, Lord. Yikes. What casting, huh? Well, listen, I've seen a lot of body cam videos at this point, and almost every woman that gets erased it accuses the cops of raping her. there's that I thought but I did think the acting was solid I thought I thought she did a good job I thought Nicholas Holt

Aaron Taylor Johnson I thought they all did solid I agree with you Lance Willem Defoe came in and did his thing had another memorable character it's just

there was moments throughout the movie I was a little bored with and was kind of checking my phone to see what time it was and uh-oh kiss to death i thought they kind of waited a little too long me for me personally for the reveal of orlock to fully review yeah there well there was a lot of build-up in this that was slow a lot of build-up i'll give you that yeah but again like i said when we finally got there i was like okay that's not like the original so i appreciate that

and I have questions about the ending. Maybe I was so not into it. I was kind of not paying attention, but the way it ended, I was just kind of like, huh? Mm-hmm. Boy, you ain't the only one, buddy. It doesn't seem smart, but it's poetry.

Yeah, I guess. But it's fine. I think it's, from my taste in movies, I think it's a little overhyped. The hype it's getting right now. but it's a fine movie it's it's not it's kind of if i ever had to rate robert eggers movies this would be honestly on the lower end okay okay uh so i'm i'm actually a huge bram stoker's dracula fan like i read the book when i was like 12 13 whatever after the

oh wow the the the movie came out and i was like really impressed with it because my dad was excited about the book and he gave it to me and so that was it sort of holds a good place in my heart um i think it was pretty good man i like what they did with uh they i can't get too much into it without going into spoiler territory because i think we may be talking about some of the same stuff here does anybody kind of not know the story though in a way too right well right but they they they approached the whole vampire thing and slightly more of a demonic way this time instead of a creature way, which

I actually enjoyed. I thought that was really cool. I thought man, I, look, didn't know it was Bill Scarsgaard. I didn't really know a whole lot about this. Yeah, I didn't either. I had to look it up. Yeah. Yeah. I knew he was

because, you know, I posted news on there. I knew he was cast, but what they always said was they weren't going to release pictures of him. You would just have to go watch the movie to see what he looked like. Well, that was a smart way. And I thought it was cool that they hit him in the shadows for most of it. And gave him more of a human-y look to him where he didn't look like just a rat, where it wouldn't like...

It's not... Holy shit, this guy's not a fucking human. What's going on? There's a monster in front of me. It's... Wow, this old guy looks... fucking weird. I'm creaked out. Like the, like the

Cossack mustache that he Yeah, well, he's an old Romanian man. And John Harkins is out of his element here, whatever his name is. Thomas Hutter. Well, now that he's played

Harkins, I mean Hutter, and Renfield, all that's like for Nicholas Holt is Dracula. There you guys. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes perfect sense. I hadn't put two and two together until you just said that. But, like, I really liked the design of him.

I liked the voice was incredible. Yeah. It made a lot of sense, especially since it's a guy who's native language is not English. And so that's why, part of the reason he speaks so slow. And that worked to me a lot. It did take a long time to get there. and I was bored during the beginning. During the setup process,

I'm like, we've seen this setup 150 times. Can we, like, move it along? You know? I was thinking, I was thinking, holy Spider-Man origin story, you know,

with great power comes to great responsibility. Because, like, every fucking reboot is Spider-Man. They got to show that that scene. Yeah. I mean, they tease you that stuff is about to get going, like the whole,

when, uh, Hutter goes to the gypsy village and he witnesses something. I was cool. I did too. I thought we were going to get some stuff going right then, but then it just cuts to him just waking up out of his sleep. I was just kind of like, oh. I know.

That was a weird thing. They did a couple of those scenes in this one where it was kind of hard to tell whether it was a dream or whether it's something that really happened. or both. Yeah. Okay. Which was on purpose, but I would have maybe liked a little more explanation there. I mean, aside from the slow start, I really liked it once it got going. I thought it was pretty cool.

There were a few scenes in there that were kind of brutal, and I thought that was awesome. I thought Nicholas Holt did a great job. even though after the first half of the movie, you kind of don't even care about him anymore. He shows up and you're like, oh yeah, that guy. Oh, he's back. They just happen to get back at the same exact time, right? One by ship and one on a horseback, apparently. I like the Renfield guy.

He was a pretty good amount of crazy. Knock. Yeah, it was knock. Knock. Oh, my bad. Okay. And, uh, Van Helsing or, uh, what's his name? Hellvancing.

Yeah. Whatever they called it. He was great. He was great, great, great. Um, yeah, man, I, I, I, I really enjoyed it. I thought it was, uh, one of the better. I thought it was better than the, than the Bram Stoker's Dracula in the 90s. Oh, wow.

Oh, I disagree with you there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I liked it. I love that one. I even forgive Keanu's accent going into now. Oh, I don't even hate his accent.

I like that movie a lot. And I thought this one was better than that. Even better? Cool. Yeah. All right. Scores. Lance, what do you think?

Yeah, six on ten. Liked it more than I didn't. Just I got to give it six on ten for the costume design and just how epic they made the scope of it and the photography. Okay. Brian? I'm going to have to give it a five better than the original you heard it here folks at first folks

I'm better than I teach the original I thought the acting was solid I thought Eggers did a great job of making you feel like these characters are in this time period I like the look of Orlock but it just had way too many lulls in the middle for me

it does have some lulls for sure. It is a slow movie. Basically a romantic vampire movie, which I'm just like, no. Yeah.

Yes. All they were missing was a musical number, right? Oh, geez. Could have had one in the credit scene. Fucking a bunch of musicals, man. That joke are awful.

I think it's good. I was trying to like it. it's going to be on a list. It's like every time it got going, it was like, Ah, hills are alive with the sound. I'm like, what the fuck? And it wasn't even, dude, it wasn't even original songs, right?

Yeah. It's just fucking songs from older musicals and shit, right? I assume so. If my friends could see me now. Yeah. No, I'm going to, I'm going to give this one an eight. I think it was, okay. It is very slow.

understand where Brian's coming from on this one. Like, it's not... I get that completely. But even the 90s Dracula was kind of slow. It is slow. The book is slow. It just does that. And there's a lot of low moments,

but I really like the vampire. I really like what they did with making it more of a demon than a creature. I thought that was super cool. And, like, it almost makes it more realistic to me. you know and uh and uh and i think that bill scarsdard did fantastic uh the the girl that played mina or whatever her name is ellen she was awesome like she has really big nipples how random that's okay i like those too

like i said super sexualized you see her naked a lot. It was, yeah. The whole, a lot of it was very sexual. Eggers must have seen her in like clerks or something that I. But she has, well,

I'll wait to get into those moments. She has a couple of moments where I'm like, damn, this, all right, she's making this movie. That was creepy as hell. Yeah, that's true. That's true. and uh uh what's his name what's his nuts yeah

ranfield or crazy crazy old man oh the one i said should be in a movie with nick cage oh uh willem willam defoe there it is i don't know why i can think his name he was william defoe was awesome his character was professor albin evhart von franz not that sure yeah he he was he was fantastic in it

and uh I really enjoyed a lot of the character work in this movie sure all right spoilers this is a motherfucking spoiler alert you've been fucking warned this is a motherfucking spoiler alert

you've been fucking warned this is a motherfucking spoiler alert you've been fucking warned I'm dumb. You guys are going to have to explain some shit to me. You said you had some stuff you couldn't talk about. What was the... Okay. So here, I'm trying to wrap my head. I mean, there's some other little stuff like the plague and all that that I guess we'll talk about. But before I forget, the main issue that I had with this movie, I couldn't figure out the relationship had where they, had they known each other in another life? or she was like just oh she could get onto that astral plane right that only the deans could get to special yeah

yeah i didn't get all that to me that wasn't explained well if it's also if it's based off of dracula maybe they knew each other in a past life like that's what i was wondering His love reincarnated. Well, but that one speech that she had with not Van Helsing, I thought, you know, when he was saying, only the pure virgin can awaken her way. Whatever the fuck they were doing. Like, she was the one who was going to have to save the day. Just like in the original, right?

Was she a virgin? She sacrificed herself to keep him awake to Cox Crow. I would imagine not since she's married. Well, the way, I know, so I was thinking. Well, it was a virgin, though, in that one scene that the gypsies brought out on a horseback. It was a virgin in that one scene, yeah. We are a virgin, as they say over there. But what?

I was like, didn't that talk kind of be like, you were special, you were preordained for this, it was destiny, or you can get to the astral plane. I didn't, they didn't explain all that enough for me. Maybe I'm just dumb. Maybe that's the problem. Well, and again, part of that is just basing it off the Dracula story, where it was, you know, like a, and a past life or whatever. Alright, and then what about... Okay, I'm sorry.

But I think in this one in particular, it's just she's special. She's more sensitive to that stuff. So she's like some sort of witch or something. Yeah, she has visions and feelings. And she doesn't know it. Yeah. All right, I guess that makes sense. So when the ship comes to shore, right, and all the rats run out and kick asses,

because he's like the ship shipmaster for the town or whatever were people really getting the plague like without vampires going around and biting him on the neck without without that they just got the plague from the rats or was the rats part of i think he was feeding on people and they just were so too so how did it spread so fucking quickly i also think that with all i was already fucking sick. I also think with all the rats it was also the plague because like in the original it was saying that like they had plague like symptoms but they had puncture wounds, right? Or something like that and their body was drained of blood and so it was weird. But like those were the only plague victims. But in this one it was like literally a plague because in this one he's

also he's in this one he's not just a vampire. He's a demon. And so he has more super natural powers. I got it now. Yeah. That does make sense. Okay. Like when the plague comes, everybody's just like, lock your windows, close your doors. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Well, you've got to keep the rats out. You know, it's true. That's true. At one point during the plague, they thought that cats were causing it, and so they started killing all the cats, and it just got worse because the cats, you know, right. Wouldn't kill the rats.

Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Back to the day. Interesting. Okay. But the whole, the demon aspect is where I was going with it. Because, like, her little possession moment where she's, like, all shaking and shit. Like, dude, that was creepy, man.

Killer scene and all that. Yeah. I was like, oh, man, I like this direction of Dracula. That's awesome. Yeah, I did too. That was my favorite part. With that stuff, I don't think they really established the relationship with kickass and his wife and them. Mm-hmm.

That's true. Right. It seemed like she didn't know him. but at the same time in other scenes it felt like her and Kickass's wife were close Yeah yeah like on the beach Because there was moments

Well because in Dracula they're best friends Yeah because in this version Kickass is like I don't know if we can have her here around the kids And then she was like but we gotta help her I was like but it earlier seemed like you didn't know her And that was a disturbing scene when Orlock

when she walks in and Orlock's feeding on the children and he just drops them. Oh, that was an awesome scene. I was like, holy shit. That was great. That was definitely not in the 1922 version. No.

Yeah, killing kids. Here we go. Okay, so somebody said something about the ending. Like you did love the ending? Who was talking about? He feeds off her. dies. Yeah.

Because it's sunlight, right? It's sunlight now. But he just lays there. I know. He just lays. He didn't try to get out. He didn't like have smoke. At least in the original version, he was too full.

In the original version, he instantly disappears and then a puff of smoke appears. Puff of smoke. Yeah. I like the bleeding out of the eyes, right? I thought that was, yeah, it was too full. I don't know. It just felt. a little yes you ever tried to run away from something after

thanksgiving dinner i just felt like his death was a little vanilla a little weak right yeah yeah and so that that that was one where i was like you you kind of have to stretch your logic to make that work because uh was this their destiny to die together i think that had something a lot to do with it yeah so again this must have been a past love. Yeah. Well,

and that makes more sense. But I also don't understand why they went to go, like, burn his grave or whatever if they were going to let him. I mean, backup plan. Good job. Yeah, I guess. If they were, if he knew that this was going to happen anyway,

because Willem Defoe had sort of set this up. It did. It was hilarious. It was hilarious, Nicholas Holtz. the camera right in his face when he's running. I was like, you're never going to make it on time. Right, right.

She's waited. Yeah, but I think, yeah, I think not Van Helsing kind of like, didn't he, didn't he use that? He sent them off on that excursion to burn the bodies to, so that he could keep Nicholas Holt away from her. I guess that's, yeah, I guess that's true. If he got in the way, he would try to keep her from sacrifices. her. Yeah, he knew that he was going to have to sacrifice her.

They had to burn the home because he had, didn't he have like the dirt from Transylvania? Yes, the Transylvania dirt. So he couldn't return back again. Well, who fucking cares if they knew she was, I'm with you, Brian, like, what does it matter if the dirt's there or not when we know? Well, if they stop him, they stop him from, if something goes wrong, I don't know why I'm justifying it. If they stop him from killing Mina Ellen and he escapes, he can always return back to his coffin and the dirt because that's where he has to rest on where he's from. That's what I was saying. As I was saying it, I was like, oh, that's a good backup plan, actually. It's what I would have done.

Can you burn dirt, though, with just, like, fuel and, like, regular fire? You can burn the building down around it? Does it work? Yeah. But you can't get to the dirt? I guess. I thought dirt was like rock particles I mean we didn't see

everything maybe they were in there like kicking the dirt around like the Germany dirt or London dirt or wherever they were That's fun finding it all to bury yourself bitch Hey They should cast it into the sea or something right? Wouldn't that have been more effective?

I don't know What do I know You know on second thought that's probably a better plan. But they were burning the bodies, right? Of the other infected, as they said. Yeah. And then like at the end of the original, they said,

and so everyone who had the plague, like symptoms miraculously, was well and back to normal once, or like died, right? So did they have that one in this one, or did I miss it? Like, did the show people get well again? I think people just died.

Okay. But you're led to assume that the plague is lifted. Yes. Okay. Makes sense. And yeah, it does make more sense when you say it's more of like a demon thing, right? So,

you know, the rats were kind of like part of his pestilence, right? Spread out before he got there. It makes more sense as a vampire in general, because otherwise, about what difference does a cross make? Yeah, fair enough.

Yeah. Or garlic. They didn't really go into the garlic, too much, did they? Yeah, but that old Romanian woman was cooking up some garlic. Right.

That was cool. I kind of wanted more of the village. Yeah, I did. When he walked up, and they all just started laughing at him, like that culture shock type thing, I guess. I thought it was a stupid hat. And I thought they were going to show something. I thought they were

offering the Virgin to Orlock. Right. Yeah. And they stabbed that. like the King Kong thing. They opened that coffin and stabbed that corpse with the sword. So that was a different vampire or did that even happen? Different vampire, right?

Or did it? Or was it a dream, right? Dreamlike. I don't know. I wanted more of that and then he just wakes up. Yeah. Well, and I wasn't even sure. I wasn't even sure if he had actually like fallen out of the window or not.

Oh, at the end there. Yeah, when it fell into the water. Well, they said he washed ashore, right? Yeah, and then he, like, got away, and I was like, wait, how did he get away? Was that real? That'd make a lot of sense. That did look good to me. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Fell in the water. I don't know, man. I'm sticking with my six, though. The story threw me off a lot, but I'm sticking with my six. It just looked beautiful. It looked great, right?

You know, I'm giving a six. I'll raise it to a six. Nice. All right. All right. I like what Robert Eggers is doing. he's a little extra but I think there's something

there for sure okay all right anything else are you guys ready to call it tonight I think that's it yeah all right well as always we want to thank you guys for all listening to another episode of the horror returns

all three of you on our YouTube channel you can always reach us at the horror returns at gmail.com as we've gotten a couple of emails and some screeners and stuff like that we want to check out like I said we want to do a few more interviews this year only did a couple last year so we'll see how that goes and just go to our website thehorror

returns.com what could be simpler please consider becoming a patreon patron as philip pimps every week and next week you know you guys have all waited long enough you heard you heard pedro's top and bottom but next week I think we're going to have because a lot of the times NASDAs joins us on that show is, is Steve joining us as well? I think NES is kind of 50-50, but Steve's in for sure, Brian? Is that we're at right now? I think NES is 50-50. Okay.

It's going to be considered, you've got to consider his work schedule, and Steve, I believe, is joining us. All right. So best and worst. Brian, you want to, I guess you can send me an email or message me what you want me to put on the notes on that one, because this is kind of your show. every year. Yeah, we're gonna do our bottom, then our top, and then, uh, okay, whatever our favorite, uh, TV series was. And I think we're gonna make it more simple, simplified is, uh, not, if there was like superhero movie that we loved that we wanted to

Oh, nice. Okay, cool. All one list. Well, I was gonna make my top anyway. Yeah. There you go. All right, well then, Phillip, sound like you've got your list coming together. So until the horror returns again, good night. I thought we were going to get an o'erlock. All right, you got to work on that o'clock. No, I haven't made my list at all, man. I need to get on it. I got a couple more movies to watch, but my list.

list is pretty much finalized. Where, where, where wolves is definitely cemented on one of the two. Yes, it is. Yeah, that's true. Well, that's a good one.

I like, I like when, like, big movies come out at the end of the year. God, I didn't even, bad or good. I did, I did, I should have brought it up. I laughed when you and Phil were,

or when you and Steve were talking about the mom and daughter relationship, and they were going back and forth and she was all, but I'm the best at tickling. I was like, what is this? That was rough. Or when the mom says something,

it's supposed to be badass, and the daughter's like, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was so bad, man. I was in the theater. I went, aw.

So bad, it's bad, guys.