The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #452: The Wolf Man (1941) & Wolf Man (2025)

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Another week, another werewolf show as we cover the year's first Universal/Blumhouse film, as well as the famous Universal original. Cool of the Week includes American Primeval, Horror's Greatest, Malum, and Sing Sing. Trailers are Opus, The Monkey, and Until Dawn. The podcast spotlight shines on Beyond the Body Count. And we get feedback from Nicole Loftus, Tim Davis, Marcey Papandrea, Brett Kuhn, Paul Cedeno, Scream Princess podcast, Dani Thompson, Lizzie Owens, Rod Sek, Andrew Weston, Isabella Marcelli, Daniele Innocenti, Darren Roden, Paul Newbs, Bucket of Chum podcast, Christopher Johnson, and Nina Romain. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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I am Lance. With me as always, we got my co-host, Brian, Philip, and Steve. What's going on, guys? I'm just lumped in the co-host thing now. I like it. All right. I've been here too many times. I mean, Jesus Christ, dude,

those fucking t-shirt designs you've given us. I mean, we're not worthy. Speaking to that, I'm rocking one today. I got one for me guys. Holy fuck, dude. Nice. I had to wear a throwback one today. Oh, wow.

Nice. Bravo, Ryan. That's wonderful. I didn't expect that. Thank you, man. I appreciate that. Look at this. I actually got this from Ed on the show. He made Funko Pops of All of Us. That's me. Really?

As a Funko Pop, like the box even says, the geeks of Steve. That's cool. He made one of all three of us. There's a whole set. Holy shit, dude. That's pretty cool. Oh, man. Wow. How did he pull that off? Is that something you do? sure it just says cider yeah i think so i'm pretty sure you can because it says uh pump your pump or pop

yourself so i'm pretty sure you can just design it yourself throw it on that sounds nasty it was a fun little pop yourself it was a cool gift to get in the mail that i was like to look at my kids like i'm a fucking toy look at this i know it's pretty cool all right man well first children of the corn and now wolves am i right it's either little kids that kill people or werewolves that's it that's the only of you. It's all we talk about. Well, we get a lot to cover, so let's jump into Cool of the Week. You know, you're part of the team, Steve, but fuck it, dude.

You guys cool if we let Steve go first, as if he were a guest host, even though he's one of the team now? I'll be rather quick. I only have one real show to talk about this week. I binge the whole thing and watch right through it, but American Prime Evil on Netflix is. I want to check that out. I kind of wanted to watch it. I love Western.

But like, it is a Western. You know why Lance wants to check it out. Why is that? Why is that? Your boy's in it. Is Dane Dahan in it? Dane Dahan is a main character in this show.

Oh, really? Holy fucking shit. All right. Well, I know what I'm watching. There is a journey that Dane Dahan goes on in American Prime Evil. Let me tell you. You know who else is in it? A bunch of fucking people that I didn't recognize because they look.

dumb ass old like Taylor Kitch He was like episode 3 and I was like is that fucking Taylor Kitch God damn And he's like the main fucking dude I didn't even And then there was another guy Who played in Terminator Genesis What's his name? The regular looking white guy

What's his? Yeah I know who you're talking about The guy they tried to stick in like every movie Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I can't remember his name off the top of my head Battleship Battleship Yeah Captain Boomerang

Yeah Captain Boomerang Yeah God, he's in there. But I still, you can still, like, can only see it at certain angles because he's just full beard, big, you know, he's just covered in shit. And it's just like, it's really well done, man. It's very gory. Somebody told that to me.

But, like, I serious, I had just got done watching the Kevin Costner thing and then came across that. And I was like, dude, I don't know if I want to do this again. Well, I'll tell you this. It's directed by Peter Berg, who, if you know of, you know, of, you know, lone, survivor. You know, he did do battleship, too, but he's very big into military movies. All right. The moral of the story I got from this is Mormons

are fucking bad. That's what I got from this. Mormons in the 1800s were some motherfuckers. Let me tell you. Some weird shit. Shea Wiggum was fucking awesome in it. Jay fucking Courtney. That was

his name. John Focon Courtney. Okay. Joe Tippett was really great. Kim Coates was great. It's just, it's just a lot. And there's a very strong Native American cast in there. The Native American character is very complex. You're just when you think they're evil, like some shit happens. You're like, man, like now I know why they're doing that. You know what I mean? Like they play, they do a really good job with that show, just showing all the angles. Yeah, you know what's fun? People were people even a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. Wild, right? It's just the turn coding, the amount of backstabbing that every fucking book.

does. Like nobody's safe. Like American military, backstambers. Native Americans, backstabbers. Fucking Mormons, backstabbers. Like, everybody's stabbing their people in the back to get ahead in the show. And it's fucked up. But the amount of arrows to the face, the amount of hatchets to the head, the amount of scalpings you see. The show is brutal and awesome.

And it's just very hard art. Hard art. Was there a bone tomahawk level kill? There's a massacres in the show. Like, dozens of people get it. And you're like, God damn. Out of nowhere to be talking. Bam, error in the face.

Oh, nice. Everybody in half by the crotch, though. Oh, yeah, probably not. Our Netflix dollars hard at work, right? Listen, they're like, they up the price. And I'm like, I get it. Like, that was really good. Primeval, man.

That show rules. So I highly, highly, highly recommend American price. You're the second person that's recommended. I got to watch it now. Oh, yeah. I can't wait. I can't wait. Who's next? Yeah, go ahead. I only got two. First, I checked out a movie. I think Matt talked about it last week. Shutter, it's on Shutter called Getaway with Nick Cross.

Yes, getaway. What do you think? I wasn't on board because the humor wasn't getting me at first, but there's a switch that happens with the characters. and then I was fully on board and I kind of wish the movie was that the entire time. I'm not trying to spoil anything. It's a British family. It goes on a holiday to an island and the people on the island aren't so welcoming to them

being there and then you get into why and then there's a there's a switch with some characters I'll just say and I really wish that was the whole movie the way those characters were. And that was like third act or halfway through the movie? I'd sit closer to the third act.

Okay. They should make a movie about like those people that always like try to come and hang out with the uncontacted tribes. And then get like brutally murdered immediately. Like the green inferno? Or are you talking about something? Yeah, I guess so. And I checked out Season 2 of Shudders'

Horror's greatest. It dropped to four episodes so far. Okay. The episodes were hidden gems, killer dates. I can't remember what the first episode was. And then the recent episode,

that they dropped was music scores. Ah, okay. So on the Hidden Jams episode, of course they covered Night Swam, right? No. No. Absolutely not. It's the new classic.

And I think there's one more episode coming out next week or this week, and I think that one's going to be about the sci-fi horror. Oh, my favorite is John. There you go, Philip. There you go, Philip. Definitely check out Shutters for as greatest because there's a lot of cool recommendations that they give out. And the hidden gems, there was a lot that I'd never even heard of that the guests they had on was throwing out.

Anything that stuck out, Brian, that you had to pause it midway like I did and watch the movie and go back and finish it? I found someone did, didn't make it like a list of all the movies made on Letters. box. Okay. So I'll just say some of the movies will probably end up, we'll end up reviewing at some point of this show. All right. Nice.

Nice. Anything to get a little help with picking those flicks, huh? Yeah. If we ever get that spreadsheet together. I know, it's like, it's like, you know that once you get it done,

it's going to be so easy to maintain it, but it's just the motherfucker getting it done. I know. It's so daunting. Yeah. We've been doing this. almost 10 years guys is that is that can you got started right that right you're we were we were hitting the ground together coming up on nine I think

coming up on all right we got a way to go oh yeah right yeah we're we're babies we're we started in February of 2014 Joel Kinneman's Robocop was our first show so oh wow okay I remember ours is a shitty ass I love that movie I still love Robocop I did too. I did too. I did too. Awesome. Not bad.

I mean, it's not, it's not Robocop with Peter Weller. You know, it's not. Yeah. But like, it's fucking good for what it is. Our first was, uh,

was that shitty Kevin Bacon movie. What was it called? Oh, God. The darkness, wasn't it? The darkness. Yeah. I still haven't watched that movie

because of that show. You're okay. It's okay. It's okay. We watched Haltor guys with it. So it bounced out. Which one? The one with,

Craig T. Nelson was the one with Sam Rockwell. No, we didn't, we didn't do that. You guys did that one. We did, I was in the theater for Sam Rockwell. I was pissed. Fuck that movie. I know, which sucks because I love Sam Rockwell. I love Sam Rockwell.

This is a perfect marriage and you ruined it. My favorite scene in that movie is where he stares at the power lines for no reason. And then they never come back to that. I think I remember that scene. When it said a cast, I was like, peace. I'm out. So what takes the title, Brian? Horrors. Horace greatest, yeah.

All right, all right. All right. Let's see, I'll jump in. I got a not so cool of the week and a cool of the week. So my not so cool is going to be the devil's workshop. Because, ever heard of that? Nope. I can't even remember.

I think I ran across it on Peacock or something. Okay. And it's got Rada Mitchell in it. She's in a bunch of shit. Emil Hirsch is there but has like some side character that doesn't even need to be

in the movie at all. That's what his career is though. Yeah. Should have never choked that studio exec. Oh, I know. That was terrible. He should have never what? He choked a studio exec.

That's why he said... Like in real life? You remember that? Yeah, in real life. That's why they say his career changed after that. Yeah, that was like, yeah. That was right. That'll put you in some fucking Brian Cox movies for sure. You keep fucking around like that.

You know, there's some things you deserve to be on a blacklist for. That's probably one. Looking at you over there, Ezra Miller. But can't kidding. Exactly. Oh, fucking weirdo. Too soon. Too soon.

But it wasn't a bad movie. You've seen some of the people in this before. And like the first. Probably two-thirds of it is actually pretty interesting. And then the whole third act, I don't know if they ran out of money or what, but it sort of goes off the rails. The special effects get really fucking stupid. CGI fire, of course.

Oh, no. Oh, of course. There's no closure to it. You get the, there's an Emil Hirsch scene at the end, which doesn't even really tie into the whole rest of it. the movie, nor does that character matter at all. It pisses me on. Like, they had a whole piece of a storyline with him that they just did not even touch again. It doesn't make any sense. I'm like, why are we following this guy? He doesn't have any part of this story at all. But I,

I don't know. The beginning of it was not terrible. Yeah. The beginning of it was not terrible. I think it was worth watching, but the ending sort of pissed me off. but still not so cool Yeah, it's still my not so cool My cool of the week is going to be Malum The The Last Shift remake

Yeah Yeah, okay We've talked to this before Yeah, so I finally watched it And it was pretty solid I don't know how I feel about the ending But uh Because I don't know how much it meant

But it was It was pretty good movie It was solid I don't think I've seen that one. I know I've seen Last Shift, but I haven't seen it. What do you prefer Last Shift or Malin? Because I haven't rewatched the last shift, I think I'm going to say Malam. Okay.

Fleshed out a little bit more a bit, right? The story and all? Yeah, maybe. I think I would need to give the Last Shift a rewatch to make sure. But I feel like this one stuck with me a little more. Okay. Yeah. Fair enough.

All right. Well, you guys all know the Oscars were nominees were announced today. So, had a lot of a lot of movies announced. Have you kept up with it any, Brian?

I'll keep up with the Oscars. They're bullshit awards. The sub-picture. Here's a bunch of shit you've never heard of before. The only one I know is the substance got nominated for all the big awards, but will it win any of the big awards? Yeah, that was all the

always like best picture nominees. artist and I'm like I'm not watching Oh yeah I know I'm not watching this I know Yeah All right

Well I checked out a movie That was woefully snubbed I think for best picture Because it's Maybe maybe my favorite Non-Hore movie that I've seen all year You've heard of this one It's called Sing Sing

I've heard of this No Prison movie Yeah prison movie So I'm gonna say it now Coleman Domingo is my current favorite actor. This dude can do fucking anything, man.

He's going to be up for the game show host and the new running man. Oh, okay. That's perfect. That is, I love that casting. That's the cadence that he would work for him. But he has the same cadence. Get that smile. Get that smile going.

He has that same cadence, the same way of talking in every role. Like he, oh yeah. Coleman Domingo is Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Like, they're doing the same thing. Like, they have one lane, and they just do that all the time. Like, he's like Ryan Reynolds. Right. Oh, yeah.

That's all right. He can just play himself. Candyman or, yeah, Candyman or a comedy or anything, right? He was exactly the same in Candyman as he is in every. I know. I know, I know, dude. He was good, though. I like him.

We love. Okay, so, all right. So Sing Sing is a story, and it's one of those true stories, and it was about a, uh, an acting class, right? I forgot what they call the program. It's basically, you know, exposing prisoners to the arts that are in a maximum security prison so they can kind of be rehabilitated through the arts, basically.

There you go. Teach them how to act so they can steal crack more efficiently. It's a very inspirational story, Philip, because they all get together and put on a play, and it's like the craziest stupid fucking play you can. ever think of because everybody brings their ideas. So it's like Hamlet mixed with Freddie Krueger, mixed with whatever other ideas they come up with. So what I thought was cool about it is Coleman Domingo was the only actual Hollywood actor that was in it. All the rest of the people

were actual inmates, like current or former inmates, you know, from prison. So it was pretty well done, man. It was, it was believable. It was, uh, it pulled at the heartstrings and, it hit all the right spots. So kind of disappointed that it's not up for best picture, because a lot of people thought that it was going to be. It's up for a few other awards, but, yeah, if you guys get a chance to watch it, it's about an hour and a half long,

but it, I mean, it goes by so quickly because it's super entertaining. So, uh, for the non-horrorical league. I don't get the Oscars. I really don't. How is the Brutalist with Adrian Brody up for Best Picture? And that movie came out like the last day of 2024. Seems weird, right?

Plus, it's a three and a half hour fucking movie, right? So I don't know if I'm even going to see it. They want it to be right on your, corner of your head. Oh. That's why the Brutalist is in there. That's why I came out at the end of December. They just want it right there. Only remember this.

But that movie just looks like a chore. I'm just like, do I want to get depressed? Though I want to put myself into a further depression, and maybe I'll watch the Brutalist, but, you know. Yeah, for three and a half hours, right? I'd rather watch Den of Thees, which I watched this week, which was awesome. Oh, Part 2. No, I didn't.

I'm interested in Part 2, but I'd never seen Part 1, so I went back and watched Denethees 1, which was right. Part 1 is good. Got it's so good. Did you watch Part 2? No, I haven't seen it. I'm interested in the premise of the changing of certain characters in there, joining up. Yeah, it looks very interesting. Part one was really awesome.

Oh, I got this this week, too. Look, I added to my horror collection. I got razor back on VHS, but it came in a clam shell, though. You never get horror clamshells, and that's not even a horror sticker. That's printed on there. Old Warner Brothers logo. Oh, nice. Right?

That's one of the greatest things I've ever gotten. I saw this. It was a lot for 10 bucks, and it had this, and some other shit. I already had, but I didn't have Robocop 2 yet, and it came with a really good copy of Robocop 2, which I just watched. So that's... Okay. And also this, which I've never even heard of,

but I got to watch it. It's called Aspen Extreme. And it says... It says pop the gun on the ski slopes. You've seen the movie, Brian? Yeah, it's... It's ridiculous. I assume it would be.

The guy on the front... Of course. He's just... That is the most 90s-ass outfit on the front, bro. Look at that. That's so loud. green, pink, and yellow, black. They like this. They put them on both sides. Avalent sharks.

Avalent sharks. That's what that movie was. Ten bucks. Well worth it. All right. All right. Okay. That's cool of the week. And now it's time for horror headlines. Brought to you by Brian. Take it away, man.

All right. Sinner is starring Michael B. Jordan, where he's going up against vampire KKK members. gets pushed back a month from March to April 18th. So not too big a push. At least it's not a year. Like every other movie. I bet they're like legit Nazis, like from Nazi times.

You think so? They're the ones that ceded the KKK in this country. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The KKK was around. That's quite an idea. The Nazi party. Oh, I guess they were. Yeah, birth of a nation and all that shit. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And I think Michael B. Jordan. Not Michael B. George, but Ryan Cougall, the director said it's going to be a lot of not just vampires, but a lot of Southern Gothic themes in the movie. A lot of racist white guys getting it. I like it. Well, Southern Gothic, I mean, that could be, you know, ghosts and all kinds of stuff, right? Yeah, I kind of made it seem like they're trying to turn this into, like, maybe a franchise. Like, introduce other elements other than vampires.

Okay. Well, hey, this is a. Gearing up for a golden opportunity for another crack of a good Werewolf. They've yet to get one. Spoiler. Speaking of... Not to Werewolves. Speaking of Werewolves, Robert Eggers' next movie

will be a 13th century Werewolf movie titled Warwolf. Come on. That of Werewolves? This is the year of the Werewolves. But, like, I'm worried. I'm scared now because they, they're like, they, uh, They got rid of all them fact checkers.

So now, like, I see all sorts of news stories popping up. Like, it said, Robert Eggers' next year is supposed to be like a sequel to the labyrinth? I'm like, is it a Wemoth movie or The Labyrinth? Oh, and there's some feedback tonight about that. So are you saying that's a phony-maloney thing? Aren't they going to do like some kind of community notes or some shit? Who knows, dude?

It's a work in progress. I still haven't seen Nospheratu yet, but I listen to your guys' review. and you guys had you guys said a lot of like if you liked Northman but like I was on the minority of people that wasn't a huge like I liked scenes from Northman but like as a whole

movie I was like visually it was fun I love the witch I'm actually going to watch Nasferatu again because it just came out on digital and I guess it's the that's the extended version which people just told

people just told me it's even more hornier than the original version. That's the only reason I want to watch it. You know, I'm like, I got that one part of my sadist mind. It's like, I want to see Johnny Depp's daughter getting on for a while. Like, all right. You see her weird, awfully big, weird nipples a lot in that movie. Hey, you know what?

That's all, every shape and size. It's fine with me. All right. That chick that played the Harkins girl was pretty good in that one, I thought. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I looked up. We didn't get enough for her.

We just got a lot of close-ups of Johnny Depp's daughter's face. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I looked up Nosphorus to on my app and, like, it popped up, but it was still a cam, but there was a whole bunch of other ones. There was a Nosephrates movie with Doug Jones that came out last year. In 2020, well, it was 2023. I heard about that. Yeah.

I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. There was a Nosephrauts movie came out in 2018. I was like, I haven't heard of none of these. Yeah, I mean, there's a bunch out there. There's dozens of them, literally. Robert Agos, Dracula. Doug Jones.

But none of those other ones? None of them Nosferatu's had a mustache, though. So Robert Eggers, baby, you know. Doug Jones, but was there one with Mike Jones, baby? It was a good Nosephirato. What? You go outside of Texas, no Mike Jones? I'm from Texas.

I'm from Texas. He was spreading the gospel of Mike Jones. He was pretty famous there for. for a little while. Maybe he was just a Texas thing. I remember I remember him like Joe he had to get me wrapping his phone number. Yeah.

Until he had to cut the phone number off because the bill is too big for everybody calling. I was a... Those were the days. When I was a prison guard, I was hanging out with Slim Thug's cousin, although... Yeah? He was also an inmate, so he could have been lying.

you never verified it you just rolled with the story like yeah it's more fun if it's true he was he was awfully like-complected matter of fact I called him white boy I mean he wasn't really white he definitely makes all right where are we Alexander Agra crawl 2 is due to start filming soon

Oh, okay. Lance, you were the only one that liked them, but me. I thought it was alright. I thought you guys liked Crowell wouldn't bad. That was okay. Lance doesn't like anything. No, that's not true. That's not true.

I was about to bring a nice one job, but I won't do it. What are you looking forward to, Lance? Anything with Dane Don. Hey, American Primey. There you go. Dead. Nice. Just dead.

Sorry, my mic went out. Can you hear me? Yeah. Okay. Loud and clear. Did you answer my question during dead silence, or? Oh, no. I didn't hear the question.

Oh, what are you looking forward to this year? What am I looking forward to this year? Spoiler alert, all three trailers we're going to talk about tonight. How about that? All fucking three of them, baby. They look pretty good. All right. All right.

All right, let's see. Dylan O'Brien and Rachel McAdams are going to star in Sam Ramey's first horror movie since Drag Me to Hell that he's directing. Rachel McAdams, okay. Yes, I like her. Has she done any horror before? I mean, Dr. Strange, that wouldn't qualify, would it? No. I mean, true to tech now. That's like more drama. Yeah, not really.

I don't think so. I don't have any doubt that she can pull it off. It just is a... Right. So, will it be rated our horror or, like, Drag Me to Hell, PG-13? But I will say this about Drag Me to Hell. That's one of those rare PG-13s that actually... Yeah.

It's fine. Like, that movie really didn't need a whole bunch of blood and gourd and cussing and tits, so, like, it's fine. And I actually really liked that movie. Yeah, that's the way it is. It's a movie. That movie is a lot of old lady with her gums on your shit. That's nasty. A lot of weird, nasty old lady shit now.

Gumbs on your shit. Some people have not known that at all. That's nasty. No, keep going. All right. What was that movie? Yes, man, with a... Jim Carrey?

And he had to take the neighbor up on her offer. He was like, oh, oh, that's kind of nice. So good. All right. If you guys weren't excited. for the I know what you do last summer legacy sequel this might get you even more excited Freddie Prince Jr said him and Jennifer Love Hewitt are not the main characters in the movie well I'm not surprised didn't didn't think they would be okay yeah so they're just gonna

kind of be you wonder are they going to get killed off in the beginning like let's just put it into that now we're going back to like somewhere landlocked like they did in the third movie they've probably got a super short cameo I would surprise I wouldn't be surprised if she has a short cameo she didn't join the cast until they started filming Mm-hmm Ah the old show up for one day and get a paycheck trick, huh?

Oh, what if Freddie Prince has a bigger role The Jennifer Love You know, it's like, uh Probably will probably will I don't know man, that man went on some fucking journeys In those movies like he had like a Lawrence of Arabia arc in that second one, that man went through some hell in part two. He ended up

like boat jacking a guy at one point. He like dove out of a car off of a freeway and down a mountain. Like what the fuck is this guy doing? I don't remember the second one other than Jamaica Jack Blair. He's trying to get, he's trying to get remember he's trying to get to his

lady, but he's riding around with John Hawks and then for some reason they pull over in the middle of the road and he gets out and then John Hawks gets hooked. And then from then he's on foot to the Bahamas from like wherever the fuck and he makes it there he gets there somehow he goes through like a whole journey

unbelievable like that's like Jennifer Love Hewitt and Brandy doing fun shit in Jamaica and then it cuts back to him and he's like hiding under a bridge in the rain with a knife like stealing shit you're like what the fuck is going on we got to watch that one

all right let's see Thandy Newton and Steve Zahn joined the Anaconda remake I have to see this now. It's going to be most sarcastic. Not wanting to because... But then I'm like, really, Anacana's kind of shit anyways. There's like four of them.

And nobody... It's fun. Isn't there really four of them? There's a whole bunch. I don't know that. In a... I think a horror comedy could be fun. I just... Make the people funny, not the snake funny.

You know? Right. Do that. Okay. It could be our next children of the corner. retrospective. I don't need a giant snake burping. Yeah. Purping out Jack Black.

Yeah, I'm going to go. Oh, the next retrospect is going to be the Anaconda series. Why not? Well, here's the upside. What are you going to do? Fuck up the Anaconda series. True. The bar is not high. Like, the highest bar you have to clear is Jennifer Lopez and Ice Cube. That's, you know, John Voie.

I mean, that was more of a bar than you would have expected it to be. The best part of that one was, didn't Owen Wilson get gobbled up in that one? Yeah, immediately. Yeah, like super early. I was like, holy shit, I forgot he was in this. Oh, wow, there goes. Eric Stolt spent the whole movie asleep. That's wild.

Like, he wakes up right before the credits happen. You're like, what? All right, we got some Scream 7 news. Jasmine Savoy Brown is returning, which makes sense because they had Mason Gooding. They're the twins from the past two movies. And I've actually grown to like her character, so. Yeah. But that's also because of yellow jackets.

Like, I like the actress now, so. Mm-hmm. I really liked her thing. And interesting news, Patrick Dempsey is not Sidney Prescott's husband. Okay. They've cast Joel McHale as a different character that will be. her husband. So Patrick Dempsey had to have died, right?

Like there's no reason she goes from Mick Dreamy to Joel McHale. Well, divorce, you know. Maybe she likes us. You never know, right? Jesus. Oh, yeah, she's like, I really like his personality. But I like Joel.

I like Joel McHale. But I'm like, what is Patrick Dempsey doing? He was just in Thanksgiving. He would have loved to show up over here. He has the same first name as Patrick Dempsey's character from screen three. Really? but different last names.

Oh, okay. Well, maybe it's a... Maybe it's like a multiverse thing. No. They do that. The shark has officially been junk if they do that. Scream and the multiverse. Who's going to see the fucking the skeet-orridge ghost in this one?

You know, like, they got to explain some shit. I think what I'm hoping for is this whole Melissa Barrear firing and Jenna Ortega quitting. This is all just something being. and the wool pulled over our eyes that they are the killers. Wouldn't that be great? That actually would be an interesting twist. But you can't keep that under wraps after the first night of release. That's the problem with that, though.

Is Courtney Cox in this one? Yes. That lady. She's like a cat, man. I'm not for sure she got it at the end of that one. She's like laying there. she takes her last breath, moves her head to the side, goes still. I'm like, finally, Gail Weathers is out.

And then, like, two minutes later, they're like, we got a pulse. Like, fuck. We got a pulse. Yeah, we just can't get away from. She's going to live because they're already talking about scream eight. And if this is Sidney's last story, final part of her story, then they need at least one legacy. As a hardcore scream fan, getting a little long in the tooth. Did you know, I don't know.

where I read this, it may have been in our show notes, so it might come up later. That Janine Garofalo was offered the role of Gail Weathers and turned it down. That movie would have been completely different. Yeah.

She might be... Yeah, you want to know why? Because nobody would have been on Neve Campbell's side if she punched a short little thicker Janine Garofalo. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? You got to have her punch a call her attractive lady. Otherwise, it's a really bad look. But I don't know. I'm also a little

worried about Kevin Williamson being the director because, like, I really liked what Radio Silence was doing. The opening of Scream 6 was one of the best openings of a screen movie of all time, like of all the movies that was way up there. And they were just doing really good shit in, but Radio Silence still had that problem where like every time their killers revealed themselves, I was like, why all of a sudden are you guys all on drugs? like you guys are all just laughing maniacically acting weird running into shit you didn't like the whole family was acting that way oh my god it made no like ah yeah that's super super silly yeah you know so they still have some issues there but we'll see what is kevin william directed though like nothing that's a great sign great sign

yeah i'm worried about it because it kind of felt like they're, well, they're bringing the twins back, that they're keeping elements of what was going on with the first, with the last two, and then he's trying to... It's like the spin-off. Like, Joey didn't work. You know, like, we don't need the... But we're, we're doing a spin-up, but we're going to bring back an original character. See, it's the twin spin-up, but we're going to bring back Nev Campbell, see. Let's just go with it, guys. Let's give it a shot.

Well, we're going to. Let's give it a shot. I like Ryan's idea. I hope we get a big twist, but it remains to be seen, right? I bet it is a multiverse. I mean, I would just love for them to be the killers because they... That would be cool. That last scene in six, they really seem to enjoy stabbing people. A lot, yeah. Yeah, it would make sense.

Get them to come back and just take the masks off and it's them at the end. Holy crap. Pretty good. You heard it here first. Either that or takes off the mask and it's Courtney Cox. Yes. Now shoot her in the face He'd done with the movie

Dewey is back Doey Do we got No remember we got killed by that Little girl child and she picked him All the way up his whole body with her bare hands remember that? I don't think that works that way

All right The last piece of news is some good news All right Cineverse has picked up the distribution rights for the toxic Avenger. And they said they will release it in theaters unrated. Okay. We'll be there.

And if people don't know Cineverse, they recently just released Terror Fire 3, so they know about R-rated horror movies. It also means it probably won't be playing near me. Yeah, it'll probably be a fathom event where my AMCA list

doesn't work and I'll have to buy a ticket for 20 The report I read said wide release. Okay. Ah, okay, cool. Well, I want to see it. Lisewood, Kevin Bacon. Maybe I'll see it twice then. Peter Dinklage is the toxic.

How would you not want to watch that? Yeah. The mop's going to be so big compared to him. It's going to be wild. They'll make a special mob. Somebody pointed out that on... A swiffer. Somebody pointed out that the people that got to see it reviewed in on Rotten Tomatoes.

and it has a 92% so far oh okay might actually have done something here all right it's weird that it sat on the show for so long distribution problems what are you gonna do yeah they said nobody would buy it

because it was too too much for theaters and Cineverez was like hold my beer check that shit out right I got some money for you we just made a shit load over here on art the clown I got some fucking I got some capital to spend Let's go. No doubt.

No doubt. All right. That's the news. That's probably the... Terrifier 3's success is probably the only reason we're getting toxic Avenger. Like if Terrifier 3 shit the bed, we're going to be getting the movie. So that's awesome. That's really good.

I got a design now. Art the clown shaking hands with Toxie. I got you, bro. Oh, wow. Wow. No, they got to do the... Like the finger. There's Arnold Schwarzenegger.

handshake. With the Jasper jumping down from the fucking hayloft. That makes sense. The pitchfork. Yes. Now throw Jasper in. All right. On to the trailer park.

Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What is our first new trailer tonight, Brian? We're going to start with a new one from A24 called Opus, about an iconic pop star. Not Opie. turns after decades of missing decades missing that would be John Malcolmich

yeah this is written and directed by Mark Anthony Green the stars my phone just went blank John Malkovich the girl from the bear forgot her name is that the main girl in this one

yeah okay what you guys think of Opus what's not to like this looks fucking amazing dude knew this was going to be up your alley yeah

no this looks this looks phenomenal yeah wave the 824 flag yeah wave the 824 flag you got you got john malcovitch playing a a rock star

that's weird like a real weird billy corgan type character that's back from the dead or whatever and you got a great ensemble cast yeah i'm fucking all in dude this is this is i think it's going to be a horror comedy. I think it's going to, I think it's going to go heavy on the, on the satire and the comedy, but Jesus Christ, dude, you had me at Malcovich. Yeah,

John Malkovich is a weird cult leader, dude, sign me up. But is he, but is he a cult leader? It is what it looks like to me. It looks that way, but there may be twist. It seems almost like black comedy, you know, like super dark comedy rather than horror. The whimsical music in the trailer, even when things were serious, kind of gave you that. The light color palette on everything, and everything's super bright, nothing's darker in shadows.

You can see everything. It looks cool. It looks like it's going to be fun. It doesn't look, you know, like it's going to scare you. But it looks like it's going to be a lot of fun. What kind of pop music you think we're going to get from John McAvich?

Weird, like, Enya shit or like, you know, Bjork or something. He's Moby. He's going to come out dressed like a swan, right? wearing a swine outfit yeah

all right that comes out in theaters definitely gonna have a didgeridoo yeah there's definitely yes sure

I think we need to start running odds on that one because you might not be wrong did you will make you tears I guarantee it

all right second trailer is a red band trailer released for The Monkey, written by Stephen King, produced by James Juan, and directed by Osgood Perkins. What did you guys think of the monkey? A lot of good names. Man, I just hope the trailer didn't give too much away.

I almost wish I hadn't seen the trailer, because now I know how fucked up this movie's going to be, and I'm loving it. But I hope they didn't give anything away. I kind of liked it when it was just like a monkey doing this, and that was it. But yeah, fuck it. I'm all in. One trailer I did not put on here to review, and I was talking to Steve before we recorded, because there was a lot of trailers on here that I'm going to split up for next week's show.

Do not watch the companion trailer. The companion? Oh, unfortunately, I already saw it in the fucking theater. Wouldn't that have been awesome to go into that movie, not knowing that? Oh, man. I know. I know. God, they fucked that up, dude.

But in this one, I don't think that they, like, in the first monkey trailer, I didn't really know what they were, what was even going on. You know, it was very ominous. It looked like it was going to be scary, but just you were basically getting vibes off of the sound, the text color, and, like, the names that were happening. That was, that was all you were getting. Here, it lets you know that you're kind of going to get, like, a bunch of, you know, what are those called, like, contraptions, you know, like, mouse-trap. contraptions, you know, fucking... Sure, sure. Rube Goldberg fucking contraptions that set up

like a very violent deaths. And I'm like, all for that shit. I'm like, yes. Like, the monkey's just going to set up a bunch of crazy shit that makes people die in fucked up ways. And I am all the way here for that. That sounds like that. Yeah, for sure.

The tagline is everybody dies. Dude, it opened with that lady in the beginning of the trailer with the shotgun. I was like, damn. Like, that was fucking awesome. And you're just going to get... with an evil monkey. Yeah,

it's like, there's no Tony Todd, but there's a monkey there banging a drum looking at you while this shit's happening. It's even kind of even more fucked up. Pretty fucked up, man. It's got a good cast. I didn't see some of these people in here. Elijah Woods in here.

Oh, nice. Okay. Tatiana Miss Lonnie. She Hulk. She's in here. Mm-hmm. Is she green, though? I wouldn't mind it.

She can pick me up and carry me away. I was going to bang an alien. Yeah, right. Snoo, snoo. Death by snoo, snoo. No few drama things. He's such a fucking weirdo, but like, I don't know that I hate anything that he's been in.

You see that movie? You see that movie he did with Melanie Linsky, called, like, I can't. can't be alive in this world anymore or some shit like that. Like, when he had the done checks and 10 stars.

Yeah, when he was like working out with the weights that had like five pounds on each end. But he was a fucking ride or die though. That man was awesome. He has a great character arc

in Yellow Jackets too, season two. So, why does your wood rules? I might have to get back into Yellow Jackets. Season three is going to be dropping soon. Yeah.

Yeah. Saw the trailer for it today. All right. The Monkey hits theater as February 21st. And on to the controversial trailer, apparently to video game fans. Until done. I didn't even know. It was based on a video game, but it did say PlayStation at the beginning.

I have played this game. Yeah? Oh, good. I have. Oh, then. There was many moons ago on the PlayStation 3. We're sitting here at a PlayStation 5, so it's been a minute. So we've, of course, all watched the trailer.

The controversy is in a video game, there is no time loop. Okay. No, but in the video game, you fucking die a lot, and you've got to go back. That's how video games work, right? learn shit and then you die and then there's no, you don't like progress like this is showing like oh you learn new shit like you can find like

oh if I go around that corner I'm going to get my ass kick so then you die you come back and you're like I'm going to go left this time. That's a great perspective. That's a great perspective. And I think that's a time loop is a great way to incorporate the game into the movie. Yes. I never bother. The director said

that they will die and start over and it will be a different horror genre every time they start over, and they only have so many lives that they can die. Sounds like a video game to me. Yeah, it does. It really does. And if I'm not mistaken, until Dawn was the Remy Malick game. But I think there were several.

I think there were several. And I know I played the first one. And, like, they're all kind of done by the same studio, but the quarry just recently came out. I think it was like either last year or the year before, but that one had a whole big, big cast. I think what's David? Well, Dewey was in that one. I thought you were getting to say, David. The Chobnick or whatever.

Lynch and Ariel Winter. That was a werewolf game. That one was pretty cool. It's kind of like they're not really video games as much as they're like playable movies. Like it's not live action, but you don't really, you kind of walk the person around and interact with stuff, but you don't really like do stuff. You know, a lot of cutscenes. Yeah. lot of walking around talking.

And they're having Peter Stormera, which I understand was in the video game. Yeah. He's in the movie. Oh, that got sense. I don't know that. I don't understand what he's going to do. Like, what I see here is a movie that actually looks like it's capable. Like, we're going to get a video game movie that looks, that's good.

Like, we need this. Yeah, that follows video game rules, Steve. Video game movies need this. We need some hits. Mario Brothers hit. We need. This to hit. Then we'll start getting some good movies because we were still shit in the bed not even that long ago with this Hassan's Creed.

Terrible movie. Like, it's right there. Because of your guys' review, I've never seen it. You have it right there. A world of warcraft. You throw me up against zombies or whatever for 13 times in a row. Eventually I'm going to get through it. Yeah, but in this year, they're saying it's a different genre.

So they're going to die and it's going to be zombies and they're going to wake up and now it's ghosts. and then they're going to die and wake up now's vampires and they're going to die, wake up, now it's fucking mass killer, die, wake up, now it's something else. That's kind of cool. I kind of like that idea. Mask killer. There's a lot of people there, man. Yeah. Like a mass killer may be able to get away with it once.

Not 13 times. Although, different person every time. What I was wondering, if one person dies, does it reset it for the whole group or just that person? I'm assuming we're probably going to have to watch them all

die before it resets. Okay, but they, but hey, didn't they keep showing like a clock or at one point like a hourglass or something like that? So I'm assuming there's like, well, you have to survive until dawn. Do they all have to survive? Is that the, is that the, the, the trick? Like, every single one of them. Well, maybe it's like, maybe it's like if you're running.

I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. Like if you get chased by a bear with a group of friends, like you don't have to be the fact. You just have to not be the slowest. fast you know so like maybe like if all of them die but one but that one person gets to this until dawn it's kind of like that mr b show like come on die we're all fucking going he's like i'm out no fuck you got so okay so okay so here's the question steve if one of them lives and makes it to the end

do they all get to wake up together the next morning i would say no my movie rules would be if one person lives the other three are now ghosts in that house okay oh yeah gotcha your rules that makes sense all right this hits theaters April 25th looks good now looks good yeah so like I said Brian I'm looking forward to all three of these movies man you hooked us up this week dude really appreciate it we hadn't seen trailers this good in a while so yeah we had I'm excited three or four more trailers that came out but we'll move those to next week fair enough There's one I sent message Brian about today.

You guys will watch it next week, but that trailer escalates quickly. You're like, which one? Holy shit. No, it's not. That movie is crazy. We'll talk about it next week. Yeah, we'll talk about that next week. We'll talk about Finn Wolfhard's directorial debut, Summer Slasher.

Okay. I haven't seen that trailer. That one's from neon, Lance. Yeah, could be good then, right? Could be. All right. All right. On to listener feedback.

This week we shine the podcast spotlight on a YouTube channel. We give some big love to Beyond the Body Count. Real Life Besties Jennifer Nangle. Hey, in front of the show. And Charles Chudabala are award-winning actors and producers of over 100 films. They share their experiences from the indie horror world, DIY film. making tips and beyond. That sounds pretty interesting.

Check out. Beyond the body count. I reached out to Jan and asked her if there's an audio-only version yet, and she said not really. And I guess I think this is like they're working toward making a film called Body Count. Is that your understanding, Brian? I think they already made the film. Okay. So they're just trying to get it distributed now from what I understand.

So, okay. Beyond the Body. count. YouTube on the scenes thing. Yeah, YouTube. Check it out.

And we got an email from Nicole Loftist. She says, my name is Nicole. Can you please, please, please do the

Carrie franchise for me as a wonderful, lovely birthday request for me on May 18th. No. Oh.

Well, we've done carry before that, right, right? He said no. Have we not carry?

Have we done all the carries? No. No. But because this is the first time in the history of the show, somebody's asked us to do something for the birthday, I'll fit it in the schedule. We'll do all three carry movies,

but we'll probably not talk about the original as much since we've already done it. Okay. All right. Fair enough. So around what? We'll do some carry stuff for you. May 18th, is that what we're looking at close to that date?

That's what it says. All right. A franchise review in one go. That's pretty good. All right. Yeah. Well, there aren't that many, right? Three, I think.

Well, thanks for listening, Nicole. That's pretty awesome. Yes, thank you. And in regards to horror of dummies of horror. No, can't say the other name. Uh-oh. That's right. Oh, is that why they changed it because?

say horror for dummies, but I guess that's not what it is. Okay, dummies of horror. Trademark. Tim Davis says, thanks for sharing. I appreciate all the work you do. Nice. Thanks, Tim. Let's see. In regards to our posting, go and support Dan Stevens, Marcia Pupandria said, I do number one in 2024. See, he's a fan of the piccolo. There you go. I love Dan Stevens. He's, he's, he's, he's going to be like my next Sam Rockwell. Yeah. He had a hell of a year. That's for sure. It's almost like Dan Stevens is in that? I got to watch it.

Yeah. I got to at least see what he's doing. Because he's going to be doing something awesome. Fuck the rest of the movie. Oh, here's a fun one. In a violent nature. Brett Coon says my favorite movie of last year, right from the start, I was immediately invested and wanted to see more of this style. of filmmaking. We all can't be right. Paul Sedano says I love this movie.

All right. I agree. It's pretty good. All right, Brian. I feel like somebody only cherry-picked specific comments out of that figure. Maybe. I can see both sides this one.

Oh, and that guy is back about terror. fire three again. Still? It's been, it's been like two months. The movie's old already. It's old news. Those kids still died.

He's so proselytizing about it. Yeah, go find something else to be passionate about. But not in real life. They're still alive. Off screen. In not in real life. The magic of movies. Imagination.

It's like when you're watching a comedian. Sometimes they shake shit they don't mean. It's a joke. Somebody got his feelings hurt. Which also brings me to another cool week. I got to throw out there. There's an Ari Shafir stand up on Netflix that's pretty awesome. Is that a new one?

Yeah, it's a new one. Do not listen to Arifir if you're. Ari Shafir's, you would say controversial. I find him hilarious, but then again, my sense of humor is controversial. He goes into some looking on the bright side of things is really what the whole thing is about. And at one point, he has to look at the bright side of school shootings. So, take with that, which you will. Okay.

Controversial humor, fellas. It's fun. And Brian posted a poll who's looking forward to Lee Wynnell's Wolfman. So far, the eyes have it with 80% looking forward to it. Okay. I wonder what that percentage will be after our review. I don't know. Where Wolfson is.

I mean that would be the next post. Who wishes they hadn't watched it? Let's see. In regards to the scream print. Princess Podcast. Danny Thompson says thank you for share. No problem. Check out Screen Princess. Brian also posted another poll. Did you enjoy Nosferatu? Ninety-four percent said yes so far. And if you... 94% of this poll is fucking crazy. I think this is cherry-pitch. It's a movie, man.

Brian, you've lost your audience, bro. He's lost your audience. You don't know what they like anymore. And usually I agree with Brian pretty much 100% on some. Usually. Lizzie Owen says beautifully done in all aspects from the acting to the lighting to the overall aesthetics. Got it perfect. Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. I just was bored with the story.

Yeah, that's understandable. Rod Seck said, yes, yes. Andrew Weston says a marvelous cinematic achievement, visually stunning. this is a shining example of genre filmmaking uh doubt i will see a better film this year um isabella marcelli marcelli says uh this movie is the worst if you hate someone to wait this movie is the worst ever if you hate someone tell them to see it okay well she agreed uh daniel in a inogenti uh says i've never seen a a more overrated movie. One of the most ridiculous endings I ever saw in a movie.

Thank you. All right. Split decisions, except 94% set-ups good. Yeah. Terrifier 3. Here we go. Darren Rodin said, didn't enjoy this one. Absolutely terrible. The other two were far better, and they need to up their game for the fourth. I've heard that a lot, actually. Paul Noob says, do you think they filmed the kill on the train, but cut it out? Probably not. They didn't cut much else out, did they? Yeah, I was going to say, it's not like they were like, well, this one is too far.

Like, for me, when they just cut away, like, they just cut away and, like, he came back with a new suit. I was like, I'm okay. Like, I could use a breather. It's all right. I can use one off-screen kill. You're not going to hear that complaint for me. too many off-screen kills. No, that's not coming from me in this movie.

And you can do the off-screen kill and still make it terrifying because, like, then at that point, it's up to your imagination, but they did, you know. Let's see. Art over two movies had given you plenty to think about what he probably did. Whatever it was, he had fun doing it. In regards to our top and bottom films episode, Tim Davis says, Hell yeah, I've been waiting on this. All right.

And let's see. Bucket of Chum says the Shark Movie podcast. Thanks for sharing. Great title. Great name for a podcast, right? Yeah. No shortage or sharp movies. Let's see.

In regards to Gremlins, Christopher Johnson says one of my favorite Christmas films, along with Die Hard 1 and 2 and also Terror Fire 3. I like your style, Chris. I'm really glad he put Diehard 2 in there because that's a Christmas phone too It's always overlooked In regards to a

It doesn't take place on Christmas But it's right there It's like it's Christmas E There's presents in that movie Close enough It's got a Christmas atmosphere All right It qualifies

In regards to a possible Labyrinth remake Nina Romaine says Here we go Is this real No need for a remake on this one What would a Robert Eggers remake of Labyrinth do? No music.

You know what he wouldn't do? He wouldn't put those stupid weird things that take their heads off that take like 20 minutes in the middle of that movie, totally derail the whole thing and have that stupid song and dance. You'd get rid of that completely. That'd be sweet. I feel like most of the movie would take place in the bog of eternal. No, that's the, is that the bog of eternal stench? Is that in that movie?

Yeah. That is in that movie. That's where he would take place like most of the movie is there. He'd be like, I really identify with... Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. It's on IMDB, guys. Untitled Labyrinth sequel.

Robert Eggers. So maybe it is real. But he also... Yeah, but also before Nostratu the story came out, he was supposed to make a Frankenstein movie, which... Okay.

Guillermo is. Who I would... I'd like Guillermo Datoro to do the Labyrinth sequel. Like, Lemme... He puts his name on everything. It doesn't make anything. True. Yeah, he produces a lot. And then he direct stuff like Pinocchio, and I didn't watch that. Yeah. It wasn't terrible. If you had Guillermo Datoro directing a Labyrinth movie, I would totally watch that.

Yeah, I think anybody would. I think you'd get green before you watch that one. Am I right, Steve? I just can't get excited. I get out of bed, bro. I can't get excited for his stuff anymore because he was supposed to do the Hobbit movies. Oh, that's right. Dropped out. Did he drop out or did like the studio continue to give him the business? Like, no, be more like Peter Jackson. And finally he was like, just fucking get him to do it then.

Right. And he did. And Steve, of course, he was supposed to do Justice League Dart, wrote a whole script. I remember that, yeah. Keanu Reeves was supposed to come back for that. Hellboy 3. I remember that big thing on Twitter. He's like, everybody like and share if you want me and Ron, Ron Perlman, to do Hellboy 3,

and the likes and shares just kind of blew up and nothing after that. Then they were like, but then Stranger Things blew up, and they were like, we'll get David Harbor. I'm told the whole first movie again with Mia Joavich. That was no good. Yeah. And then that Cricket Man thing came out. Oof. Oh, God.

Was it that bad? Yes. I have some. sympathy for it because of the because of the budget issues and I think that some of the stuff they did was cool like I had good ideas yeah I like the small town vibe like those other movies are huge in scope you know and this one they fucking crash off in the mountains and then they're just stuck in this little ass appalachian mountain town and like that's cool I like that setting the witch stuff was cool but his suit was bad he was bad he couldn't stop like that man smoked

So there was a cigarette every, like, he couldn't talk without smoking. And, like, the soup, you could just see it bubbling up. Like, he would move and, like, the whole suit would ripple. Like, it would bunch up on the side. I'm like, oh. That was roller. You'd see it crease up on his neck. The paint was off on parts.

You're like, oh, man. That was roller from pause, right, Brian? Yeah, that was him. They had no CGI budget, so, like, everything was practical. And they did it all, like, in daylight. No, CGF fire even? No, you didn't need CGII fire, the CGII spider. The CGI spider and the CGA train crash blew their whole budget out of the water.

Oh, boy. All right, that's it for feedback. As always, our intro and logos come from Steve, this man right here from the geeks. Yeah. And our original skull artwork comes from Natsulani. Check her out on Instagram. and if you'd like to help us out, please consider becoming a Patreon patron. Let you pick the movies for a future show at any amount, and for $5 a month,

also pick a commentary for a future bonus show. I went a little too hard on the last one. I'll be better on the next one. No Pete Flamingos, guys. It's already been done. One and done, guys. Sorry. That was a wild fucking movie, man.

That was the one and done. there was a dude leaking his butthole for like I was gonna say there's a lot of stuff I never thought I'd experience with you guys yeah I was like oh man I don't even like it when they do that in porn

and this there's a dude doing it on my screen right now and I'm watching it with other dudes we're together we're in this thing it's in this together yeah it's always immediately

a fast forward part. I'm like, I don't want, what are you doing? Matt got us good. Matt got us good. Hey, you know what? Patreon Pigs, man. You didn't pay the bill? You sit through it. I mean, you got to, you got to add some fine print shit, you know what I mean? If you guys don't want to fall into this trap again. Oh, well, hey, that's the fun part. You got to read that fine print, bro. Never would have watched that movie otherwise. It was pretty interesting. All right. On to featured attractions this week. We choose the new Wool.

Wolfman and the 1941 Universal Classic. So we'll start with the old school, the original. 1941, the Wolfman. That's the way Jenny Williams was killed? Yes. Find something? Animal tracks. Whoever is beaten by a werewolf and lives becomes a werewolf himself. Oh, don't hand me that.

You're just wasting your time. The wolf bit you, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah, he did. You wouldn't want to run away with a murderer, would you? Oh, Larry, you're not. You know you're not. I killed Baylor.

I killed Richardson. If I stay here any longer, you can't tell him. Upon his return to his father's estate, Aristocrat Larry Talbot meets a beautiful woman, attends a mystical carnival and uncovers a horrifying curse. Director is George. The aristocrat named Larry. Yep. Letty.

Director George Wagner, also known for man-made monster and 10 episodes of the TV series Batman starring Adam West. Hey. Classic. I just got excited somewhere. Yeah. Writer is Kurt C-O-T-Mack. McCabe. I don't know.

Kurt C-O-D-Mack. That's probably not how you say that, but whatever. Also known for Love Slaves of the Amazons. Oh, okay. Well, I think we have to watch that now. That's a future commentary, right? Better than pink flamingos, right? The wolfman battled a bear in one scene,

but unfortunately the bear ran away during filming. What? Come on, Philip. The bear was like, just a random bear? It was just like a zoo bear. and he was like, hey, they're just out there filming, and they're like, look, it's a bear. He's like, bra.

The bear's like, what the fuck? It runs away. And they're like, ah, that would have, you would have had to put that in the movie. Oh, yeah. Not a lot of safeguards on this film. That would have been the only real forest in the movie, if they would have that.

What few scenes were filmed were put into the theatrical trailer. Evelyn Anchors suffered a bad, scare when the bear escaped its trainer and chased the actress up a ladder. Was there a bear in this fucking movie? I didn't see a bear once. They got cut, huh? I think they trained this bear for this movie, and as soon as they let it off its leash, it just went crazy.

And they were like, we can't use none of this in the movie. It got into all their coat. Hey, Philip, if it was 1941, you had bears and Nazis, right? As Chris Rock would say, that bear went bear. You know, that's all he did. This was the original cocaine bear. He's in Hollywood on a movie set. This is like a prohibition bear.

He's really pissed off. Anyway, she was pulled the safety by an electrician, and apparently the bear was cut for the movie from what I can tell. Because the bear was shot and killed on set. Well, there's that. Steve, what do you think about the Wolfman? I have never seen The Wolfman in 1941, like all the way through.

Not all the way through in a city. I avoid movies that came out 50 years before I was born, you know? It just doesn't. And even today, when I watched this today, even when I was watching it, there's just something about the cadence of how they talk that just, I just fly out of it. It's like, it's watching a play, you know, and it's hard because they, They, that's really, they didn't have much else to go on. They don't even making movies for like 20, 30 years at this point. So, you know, they don't have a lot to go on.

They have plays to go on until everything. See, this is the sign of a wolf man. Yeah, what do I got over here? Look at it. And they talk so fucking sad. What are you doing, Larry? How was your trip here? Larry, how would, how do you?

It's just like, God, Dan, can you fucking breathe while you, like, fucking talk, you know? And everyone's got this weird cadence except for Larry, who seems like he jumped out of office space. He seems like, dude, like, he just got hypnotized to, like, take a check. show pill. Larry's like, right? I love how he walks in. He's like,

looks at his dad. He's like, hey father. Like, his dad's like dumb short and looks nothing like him. Exactly. He talks like

comes from a completely different world. Yeah, it took me a minute to realize what their relationship was. I'm not going to bash the movie,

right? If we don't have these, we don't have anything. And I did, I do find some, I'd like watching the older ones when you get the credits in the front.

And I love the hand-painted logo, the Wolfman logo. You could tell. You could tell that shit was hand-painted. And it just looked great. That's not a good-looking werewolf. I'm sorry. You know, I know it's 1941. What are you going to do?

Maybe he's walking on his tiptoes, man. Dude, he logs on his fucking tip-toes. Like, he wears clear. He heals, you know what I mean? And, like, he doesn't really do much. The most, he kind of, like, he wrestles with that log for a bit. he like he like chokes out his girlfriend and throws her around that's about it oh he killed that grave guy yeah he kills that one grave guy

like really quickly um it's without this we don't get much else i'll give it it's it's like respect for that but right right i'm i this i'm not this is not my like favorite wearwolf movie it's it's a lot of there's a lot of quiet talking there's a lot of like this fucking old gypsy lady just coming out of them nowhere with their fucking horse-drawn carriage again, you know? She always happens to be in the right spot. I will say the main actress, though. Quite nice. Even for 1941.

Even for 1941. Would you chase her up a ladder? I was that bare. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I liked it, but I don't, I respect it, but I don't love this movie. All right. Understandable. Brian, what do you think?

Yeah, I'm right there with Steve. I respect it. The movie's fine for what it is. It's not my favorite universal monster movie. I think mine, just because of the wackiness of the character, is always going to be the Invisible Man. Oh, yeah. A creature from the Black Lagoon for me.

That one's mine. Well, and the Mummy was pretty... The Invisible Man was kicking over baby strollers. Yes. He was. It was a scam. He was a scam. A scamp.

He was messing with people. My main problem with this, I think Lon Cheney was miscast, especially, like he brought it up, Steve, when he has scenes with his father. I haven't seen this movie since I was a kid. I thought that was, like, his younger brother. I know. Yeah, because he's like three times aside. Yeah.

Yeah, it wasn't good casting. I agree. Well, not only that, but, like, Lawn Cheney had way more wrinkles in his face than his dad. Like, he looked older than him. Twice his age. Yeah, that was part of, like, he's, like, hitting on this chick, and I'm like, dude, she's in her 20s, and you are not. Yeah. And they have this butler that just stands around there waiting for them to walk off so he can hand in their hats. Yo, the hat game in Wolfman is top notch.

People in the 40s had their fucking hat name strong. Oh, real. Everyone had fucking banging hats. And I think, everybody's in suits all the time. I think Bella Lagosie was underused. I mean, they cast him as the gypsy that dies immediately.

And then you get to see his feet. Yeah, he's got, he's got like, he was probably there for a couple hours. Tops. Yeah, but you got Dracula. The guy that played Dracula in the movie. As a werewolf. And you don't even get to see him.

True, true. But you did see him as a wolf, but then when they showed his body, he had pants. It would have been really weird if you would have seen that wolf of pants on, you know? That would have thrown you off, because that was like a real wolf. I was curious about, like, yeah, the story is not exactly streamlined. Like, because the first werewolf was like a wolf, wolf. Yeah, there was animal cruelty happening on screen. And then when Larry turns into a werewolf, he's like, Sir Larry.

Oh, Sir Larry. Master Larry, I'm sorry. Nasta Larry. Maybe it's because he had just, that was his first transformation, his first couple, and he wasn't all the way there yet. And maybe, you know, the other one had turned werewolf for years. I don't know. It's possibility. More times you turn.

The more full means. you go through the more of a wolf you turn into, I don't know. Those to see where the dad and Larry were fucking arguing about something, and the butler was just standing there with two hats, watching him fight for hell long. And then the dad leaves and the butler hands in his hat. And then just stands there waiting, and Larry's like, and he goes to walk out and the butler hands of his hat.

And he takes it. I'm like this motherfucker just waiting around to hand people their hats. I'm an electrician. I have seen people in knock down, drag out, fucking domestic argument situation. Like, and this is just how these people talk to each other. They just scream at each other all the fucking time. And I would, I couldn't live in a hell. That's awkward.

Oh, man. You know what, my life is pretty good. Somebody gets a little tone. Somebody gets a little tone. I'm like, what the fuck was that? Yeah. You know? Right. Chill out.

But yeah, the only thing I've got to talk about is I, I, I do respect the makeup effects for it being 1941 and what they had to work with. But it is fucking hilarious. You already brought it up, walking on the tiptoes. I think it kind of worked for the time. My daughter has a friend that comes over and has a, her friend has these sensory issues. And she always walks around in her socks on her tiptoes on the hardwood floor. I'm like, and I saw this movie today and I was like,

I'm a tell her next time she's here. She walks like a wolf there you go. Yeah. That's how my son used to run and now he's flat footed his shit. I can't walk around barefoot. I've got to either have socks or slippers or something on. Flip-flops if nothing else, you know. Oh, fucking, I'd be barefoot all the time if I good.

Hell yeah. Yeah. Most people would. All right. Lance, what do you think? A little bit different opinion. I really enjoyed this one. This probably is one of my favorite Universal.

But then again, it's hard to say, right? Because you guys bring up some great ones. Invisible Man, Black Lagoon, Dracula, fucking awesome. Like, this was the heyday of the Universal Monster movie. So I really enjoyed this because I thought it was a nice, concise story. I love that the runtime was like an hour and nine minutes. They got the story told. I thought that it was

I thought it like again yeah the acting you kind of got to give them a pass because like you guys are saying they they had really only been doing movies for a while 100% give them a free pass on like 90% of my gripes because of the year and what they had to work with it's just so in 2025 my opinion right

and and yeah like then now we get we get werewolves with fucking grillo this is better than I would rather watch this than werewolves. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. I would rather watch that.

Okay. This is what I love most about the way this movie was filmed. Okay. I like the way it was written. And when I say that, I mainly mean the way the characters are written. Because this Larry dude was a fucking wolf. He was like a rapist. He is looking through a fucking telescope at the girl's earrings on her desk.

He knows about the stuff that's on her. Well, not on purpose at first, but then he immediately goes over there and starts talking about the shit that's in a room, which is creepy. Yeah, and then fuck that she's engaged. I'll tell you that right now. Yeah. Seven times. Hey, she said no to him seven fucking times. I count. Yes, but. I'll be there at eight o'clock was his last word. Yes, but he showed up. She was juiced.

She was hot. She was drivet. She was dripping. She does not mean no. This was baby it's cold outside. I know I can't. Yes, yes, yes. And then like on that one scene, one really, really awkward scene is where she was kind of like

leaning back against the tree and he's got his cane. He's holding his cane here. And he's got his arm against the tree. Like he's not letting her move. Anyway, I'm visualizing that. That's right when her friend gets murdered.

I'm visualizing that cartoon wolf from the old text, savory cartoons and they the mask were the eyes, a ouga, a ouga. So yeah, I love, I love that part of the script. I don't think that was on accident, guys. I think it was

intentional that they're like, this guy's a fucking wolf. In fact, at one point, didn't she call him a dog? She said, well, you're a bit of a dog. I think Lawn Cheney just played it too goofy. Like, maybe if he was acted more sinister, man, maybe maybe you're right, Brian, maybe he was just miscast.

Maybe if they cast him more like, narrow-faced kind of smarmy, scary-looking, shifty-eyed guy. Maybe that would make more sense, but he just seems kind of goofy. But I kind of didn't hate that part because it made him more like endearing. And so when he was being so persistent, it wasn't like, it was more charming than rapy. Where did he grow up? Because he clearly didn't grow up with his family.

Well, he moved over to the States, right? He's been gone for 18 years. bitched about it when he first got there. Where is this? It's a shame your brother had to die to finally get you back here to, I was assuming London, or England, right? The English wars. Wales, there you go. Not enough people talked with accents. Like, the main lady was like normal.

She sounded like she was from fucking Pennsylvania. Her hunter guy fucking boyfriend, you could tell he was the hunter guy because he had leather patches on his elbows. He had, he had, he sound like he was from fucking. Connecticut, too. So, like, this doesn't feel like whales. The only motherfucker with the accent was the dad and the gypsies who were just rolling through town, and they do that all over the world. So, you know. That's true. I didn't know where to hug this took place. From Eastern Europe on onward, huh? Yeah, no, I, again, I really enjoyed it. And I like the transformation scenes. I think that

for 1941, you know, for 1941. Yeah, for 1941, they did really well. And again, I'm in a it up. I'm going to say the reason that he didn't go full wolf yet because he was so new to it. So, I don't know. I enjoyed it. I really did. I, I enjoyed the scenes with the gypsies.

And fuck a silver bullet. You just need to be beat with a... A silver... Edge cane. Just beat with a... And these worlds are clumsy. You got to catch them when it's only like their third transformation because they can't do shit. They're just like,

ooh! you know smack them around they don't know what you're going across the one fucking bear trap dude like you got cause and teeth you're going to try to choke me motherfucker up anyway anyway uh yeah no no enough said i i think i probably enjoyed it more than you guys did i i thought it was a nice tight story i love the the runtime of the movie and you know i just enjoyed everything about it it was fun uh yeah i actually really liked it too i i it wasn't as good as the invisible man or the mummy uh but uh but it was pretty solid man it was it was a good story um it was very theatrical because it was 1941 that's just

how movies were back then and uh i i think they they they got in they told the story they got out. Like, had this been two hours long, it would have a chore. Robert Eggers. Yeah. Well, it'll probably look really good. It's coming. I know.

It'll look real good. But, uh, but, but for what it was, um, I, I, I think it was pretty solid. I, I liked, I liked the story. I, and you're right. He was, he was just trying to steal this dude's wife. well, and Beyonce, which I guess still is kind of loud. She was like, I'm going to leave with you. And the only reason she didn't is because he said no.

Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah. She was attracted to him, right? Love is blind, right? Love is blind, Philip. What happened in the notebook? This.

I don't know. Never seen it. Yeah. Speaking of Rachel McAdams, right? Yeah, there you go. I've never been sitting there. The notebook. Yeah, I've never been sitting there on.

my own and been like, you know, I should watch this notebook. Nah. It's never happened. I've been forced to watch it a couple times. Yeah, I've not only watched it. I've read the book. Oh. Oh, you, that's a choice. Yes.

That's a you know what else is awesome about this movie is the fucking, the wardrobe department. It was just on point. Like, I love when the girl gets out of bed in the middle of the night when Larry comes knocking and she's like fully done like it's like the middle of night she whips out of bed and her hair and makeup's all done her robe is like perfectly pressed it's like

a gown I'm like oh so good um that's how even worked in the 40s man even when they're hunting like the guys are all in this weird tree stand that's like a foot and a half off the ground which was really weird they're all in this tree stand and they're all in like three piece suits with fedoras and pipes in the middle of the night like we're going to cut this wolf saying. And then they're like shooting, they're shooting into the woods, right? But then there's like, you see they have like other people walking around with torches.

And I'm like, be careful. They're right there. Very easily hit one of the villagers. I think I shot something over there, Thomas. Like, you probably did. Fucking Bobby from next door is dead now. Thanks. Yeah, but it wasn't a wolf man.

Because he's laying way over there where the gypsy lady is with her fucking torch. Why wouldn't, why didn't they set the bear trap up near their tree stand? It was so far away. Yeah. And he just happened to come across it, even though it was like right by a stump. But, you know, it was, it happened to be right in the set that they built. So. Then he's like walking around and they're like, hey, you, stop there. And he's like, oh, hey guys, what's going to me? Like, what are you doing out here, Larry? It's like, same as you guys. All right And then he just

limps away And I noticed he Like didn't have Shuzon from off the screen Who are you talking to? Like fuck of Larry, he's right there It's like right there You could see him

He's a foot taller And everybody else on the fucking set I know you say it's the woods But there's like three trees He's right there Yeah Find this motion Anyway, I like that.

I had a good time. Classic piece of cinema, for sure. Scores. Steve, what do you think? I'm going to give it a seven. I actually liked it more. I mean, I can make fun of it and poke and poke over and make gripes and all that. But you have to respect the shit out of the movie.

And it is good. For 1941, it told a concise story. You understood what was going on. a little long in the tooth with the dialogue. Boy, they say some stuff. People don't really talk like that. You know what I'm saying? It's very over the top.

But hey, you know, that's the silver age for you. So. All right. Brian? Six and a half. All right. Okay. Lance?

Eight. Yeah. Eight. All right. I was a half-ass expecting a four. Nice. Nice classic. Nice classic monster.

More. Yeah, no, I think I think I think I think I'm going to go seven I think it was I think it was a good story I mean it's it's definitely age so it's tough to go back and watch now Sure but if you like those old school movies that are very theatrical style I mean this was like the marvel of the Oh that's right you know what I mean? Yeah that was their MCU right

right. And so I'm sure every time they came out with a new monster movie, it was like, holy shit, we got to go see this one. Mm-hmm. In advance, right? Yeah. And everybody in the theater was smoking cigarettes. Yeah. In the theater, right? Oh, for sure. They used your fucking baby's head as an ashtray. Like, fucking doctors were rushing off into your guts while you're pulling out your appendix

and shit back then. Oh, I need to put this, uh, uh, uh, fiss. Uh, on to... Lance, did you give your score? Oh, yeah, you already did. Yeah, okay. Eight.

Uh, on to the Wolfman from 2024. Ah, we have to leave right now. Run. Can anyone hear me? An accident. Daddy, will be gonna die? No, it's my job to protect you.

and we were attacked. I think my husband was infected. A family at a remote farmhouse is attacked by an unseen animal, but as the night stretches on, the father begins to transform into something unrecognizable. Director and writer is Lee Wannell, also known for 2020's The Invisible Man. Christopher Abbott watched hours of animal videos on YouTube

to grasp the wolf's body language. There's different levels as the process is happening. There's maybe 80% human, 20% animal, and then all that shifts. So to track how a human would react to something as opposed to an animal, a human reacts one way, if it feels ill or if it's scared, as opposed to how does an animal act, and if it feels ill at all its little levels. That's a long trivia, man. That's a long trivia. The moving truck in the film is a fictional company called Pierce, which has been in business since 1941.

The name reference is Jack Pierce, who was Universal's classic monster makeup artist in the 30s and 40s heyday. The 1941 reference to the year Universal's original Wolfman was released. There you go. Showing some love. No trivia on Ryan Gosling was originally cast. Was it? Was it? Replace him? Ah, I didn't even know about that.

Really? Well, Ryan... Ryan Gosling was signed on, but then said he would not work with Lee Wunnell. So they fired Lee Wannel, hired another director. Oh, you see? He fell apart. And then they were like, uh, Lee Wanoe, do you want to do this instead? And then in between now all that, Lee Wanoe went and made the Invisible Manel.

went and made the Invisible Man. He was supposed to make Ryan Gosselin Wolfman before the Invisible Man. So Ryan Gosling wouldn't work with Lee Wanoe. Do they have some beef from somewhere? I don't know. That's what I heard on another show. That does deep dives on all this history stuff.

Oh, that's a better trip here. Very interesting, yeah. All right. Steve, what you then got this one? So there's a question of, did you get it? Or and then if you did, did you like it? Because I had a lot of people like, did you like it? And I was like, no.

And they were like, yeah, but did you get it? And I'm like, I'm not fucking stupid. I know what they were doing. Okay. But I didn't like it. I like werewolves. I like motherfuckers turning into wolves and fucking shit up. I don't want cabin in the woods that makes you think you're a wolf or our head-tagon wolf-like traits.

I want a werewolf. This is a movie about motherfuckers that get hill fever. Or as the natives call. Face of the wolf. This is not about people that get, there's no full moon shit. Now, all that being said, I do a lot rather like many aspects of the movie. This is not, to me, this doesn't feel I don't like this as a werewolf movie. But there's some really cool shit. Like the whole point of view perspective changes they do, where you're getting to see how he's hearing and she's hearing him and all that. The night of transformation, awesome. Yeah. The look of their wolfout thing, It's trash. It's garbage. I hate it. I think it looks dumb. It looks just like that motherfucker at whole Universal Horror Nights. Just like him.

It looks just like that. No better. It just looks more detailed and in darker light. So you kind of buy a little bit more. It doesn't look good. Yeah. That's good. We'll have to get into like, you know, I don't know what it's new.

So spoilers and all. I knew the wolf look was going to be controversial. It looks like a sick man. is what it looks like. A sick sigman with bad teeth. But it... Bad teeth. Well, he was transforming.

There was some awesome shit, though, with, like, where you see, like, Julia Garner's, like, point of view in the dark. And then it would, like, smash cut to his point of view in the dark. And he's, like, right fucking next to her. Yeah. Oh, ooh. Like, some of, there's some really amazing ideas in here, some very, very cool stuff. The sound work in here, top notch.

some unbelievable sound work but it just falls down to like your personal opinion point of view on what you want out of a werewolf movie and what i want and what lee one l won is two very different things so we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the look but other than that there are some things i really do like about the movie um and almost like i really like the werewolf aspects of it before you got to see the full wolf out mode it was almost like if we would have gotten a better full wolf out mode i probably would have would have liked it more. But understandable, yeah. Understandable. That's right. What do you think? I'm kind of right there with Steve, but I do give Lee Winell a little leeway because I know he tries to make, he tries to take these ideas and kind of do them in a more realistic way.

Right. I don't know if the end product is what I want it, to be honest. I like the whole transformation and, Steve, you brought up all the how he sees people through his vision. Even the, I don't even know if this is a spoiler, but fuck it.

The scene where he hears the spider crawling how it's like super fucking loud. Yeah, I like that a lot. Like, I loved all that, but I just don't think the outcome is what I really wanted, the final transformation. You're right, Steve. It looked like a guy that

just had a fucking really bad disease and needed a fucking emergency room. I didn't need a doctor. And he did he did some stuff in his transformation. I was like okay that was cool but then you see it later and I was like why did you do that that just changed nothing to your parents? But one thing I can say that I do like is the story that they told with the family. I understood the relationship with the father and daughter and his motivations on and what kind of father he was

and then they clearly portrayed the mother as a different kind of parent and I thought they got those pretty clear. However, they did, but however, I still had some issues with some of the dialogue. Some of it felt like

they were writing the script and they were like, this is the feeling we want to convey in this scene and then they forgot to change that and that's just what he said. Yeah. And you're like, nobody talks like that, bro. Nobody's like you know sometimes parents worry about their kids getting scars

and they end up being the ones that scar them I'm like this what are you fucking reading the goddamn Hallmark card because I think this fucking monster moment relax I think those were written for Rob Gosling God you think so deliver those lines not Christopher Abbott

because when I think Christopher Abbott I think of that Brandon Cronenberg movie Possessor Yeah me too Possessor Do you think that Ryan Gosling would have done a better job in this role?

No. Okay. I don't see Ryan Gosling as the Wolfman. Yeah, I had a hard time with that, too. He would have made me laugh, doing, like, growling and, like, br-h. Yeah. He got him like, ugh. And I seriously doubt Ryan Gosling is doing a movie where they're going to put that much

fucking makeup on him. Yeah, also true. They could have called it the notebook, too. You're like, come on, man, just take my shirt off. And maybe that's why. Like, Ryan Gosling got. Lee Wunel's script and he was like, wait, so I only talk for

like 20 minutes. And then he turned the page a couple times. Yeah, he turned to pages like, I'm going to look like what? And like Lee Winnel even said, like that Halloween horror nights thing, he's like, well, this is kind of like a spirit of Halloween version of what ours is. And

he wasn't lying. Like, that was a cheaper version, but that's what that fucking shit looked like. That's exactly what look like. All right. Yeah, just at the end of the day, real quick, I just at the end of the day, I think it just all boiled down into what the werewolf look like because they set up a lot of good ideas of how he was going to act. And then when it got to his final transformation, I just felt like you're not done transferring. Right. Yeah, we need maybe another few hours or something with

him. Yeah. I don't know. Like, and he did that thing. But then when we've seen the other, we've seen the other one. I was like, okay, maybe you did finish transforming because you don't look too far off from that one. Yeah, how long as he'd been out there wolfed out, you know? Yeah. So,

long enough to be declared dead. Yeah. That's a bad, that's a bad day. You know what I mean? What a bad fucking day they had. No shit. His poor neighbor.

Just trying to help a guy out. Sorry. Lance, what do you think? I didn't hate it. I mean, I didn't think they were going to give it the fly treatment. It's like we're talking about the old universal monsters and you get the fly. And the way that that was done by Cronenberg was perfect, right? But this one, I didn't think, worked quite as well.

But I think that's kind of the essence he was trying to capture, maybe, you know, or that gross out type. thing. Yeah, the whole movie was the transformation. I didn't think about it until you said it and I was like, oh yeah, that was absolutely the fly. Yeah, and it was, I don't know, man. And the twist at the end, I'll put it this way, Bloomhouse is off to a better start

this year than they were last year. So maybe they can keep it up because I enjoyed it more than those early Bloomhouse movies last year, one of which we've talked about a lot, Brian. Yeah, real quick, I just got to say, I did not like Julia Garner's character. Not me neither. Yeah, I didn't believe it at all.

And yeah, not that I didn't believe it. I just like, you're not a nice person. You got a werewolf attacking, or some sort of animal attacking your family, and you're just over here looking at your daughter, calling for her dad, and you're just giving them dirty looks. Well, I mean, she didn't even want to go. and then now here she is and it's like I know I know yeah those family dynamics

I just I hated her character just every little scene like when they they meet the neighbor and he's giving them directions and he's asking Christopher Abbott he's like oh I'm a writer and he's like oh that's nice and she's like I'm a journalist yeah nobody asked you and it got awkward yeah awkward yeah yeah oh man you guys are actually making me hate the movie more

No, no, no, no. Pretty often dialogue. There's problems, Lance. There's problems. But the transformation can't be argued. It's phenomenal. But, you know, maybe it's a little too dragged out. And the end result isn't exactly what you, what I wanted.

But the idea is there. So good. Well, I did love what they did with, like, his hearing was so super sensitive. Like Brian talked about the spider scene. And, you know, the teeth falling out so that he could have the new fangs grow in where the teeth fell out. That was all really cool. but uh don't go eat me in a jerky you find what's yeah that was that meat was black and he and he can smell it but he can smell it like his wolf nose get i got to stop or i'm going to get in the spoilers so

yeah yeah yeah i'm passing the baton at this point uh i okay so i i i am definitely willing to admit that there was some problems with it but i did enjoy it like it okay it grabbed me and it pulled me in especially during the transformation stuff with the family things i thought that was really cool um it would have been cool to see more of a wolf-like thing at the end but i didn't hate what they did because it did make it more of a realistic thing like is this guy really going to turn into a wolf or is this some fucking ancient disease that's been around which i would have also liked had they explained because there's no origin story to this thing. We needed, like, the Native American guy to come in and tell Julia Garner what was happening.

You know what I mean? You need that. I need some sort of history lesson with this shit. Yeah. Like the whole guy's stupid thing. But I did feel like it was more of some sort of realistic viral werewolf thing. Like, he catches some crazy form of rabies that grows extra bones, which I guess that doesn't really make sense.

But, you know. And they set it up. They set up that hiker in the beginning, like more of that. Yeah. With the text. But, yeah. And I did like the family aspect of it. Yeah, I, okay.

So she was awesome in Ozark. Yep. And I'm glad that she's getting more movie roles. Yeah, she's going to be your new Silver Surfer. Fantastic Four. Really? Yeah. How's that word?

All right, whatever. Sure. Like, I want to see her in some better stuff, man. We need better stuff. We got apartment 7A. I haven't seen that. Again. She was in that one movie where she, like, when her and her friend were bartenders in Australia for, like, a summer.

Stuff bad almost happened. Again, better stuff. I don't know what you're talking about. No, I saw it. It wasn't horrible. Stuff almost bad happened and then nothing happened. And then the movie ended and you're like, oh, okay. So we just wasted our fucking time here. Great.

So I think she's in demand enough right now to be able to pick and choose some good roles. I think this was a good one to pick. I don't know if she shined in this one. Because she was not super duper likable. I think she's actually got the perfect face. She's playing Norenrad's one. wife in Fantastic Ford. So she's playing the female version of Silver Server.

But her face, if you think about her face, the angular, like her nose, she's got like a bird's face. And like that in chrome with like white eyes is going to look fucking awesome. She's going to look great. She might pull it off. We'll see.

I mean, I like that she's in more stuff. I really like her as an actress. I kind of like the job that everybody else did. I didn't even hate the little girl, which, you know, there's normally a thing with kid actors. I'm like, oh.

She was better than the little girl in werewolves, boy, wouldn't she? Uh, yeah. She didn't go, yes. Yeah. Who's the best of tickling? Oh, boy. That's a creepy line, no matter which way you cut it. It's like an AI wrote that script, you know?

Um, uh, but yeah, no, I, I, I thought it was, I thought it was a pretty solid werewolf movie, one of the more solid ones I've seen in the past few years. So, I'm happy with that. Okay, cool. The question is, is it as good as the Benicio Dutoro one? No, I think so. Can't particularly remember.

I like that one a lot. Yeah. The werewolves and that one are fucking awesome. Yeah, that's true. When he wolves out and murders everybody in that fucking medical room and then takes to the rooftops and then he'll go, we've been shooting at him, that shit is tough, dude. That was pretty cool.

Well, and I liked some of the real, like, werewolf shit towards the end of this one. All right. Well, we'll get into that in spoiler. All right. Anyway. Steve, scores? Five. Five. Okay.

Right in the middle. Not bad. He's in a price is right my ass. He's trying to figure out doing the higher low. $5.5. $1. $5.00 and one. That you mentioned it. Six.

six Lance six uh seven on this one I think it was a solid movie all right nice all right

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real quick why does he unhinges his jaw forward and then do nothing here. Only for it to look exactly like his jaw was the way it was before. I know. He did that and I was like, oh, this is going to be awesome. Like he's going

to turn and like maybe the side of his face will look more along or something. Because there was that scene where he was like crawling up to the tree thing and you saw like from the top down and because of how his hair looked, it looked almost like a wolf's face because of his hair coming down off of his head.

But that was the only time that it gave you even a slight lupine rule. Well, right. And he even had a scene where he was like losing his hair and I was like, mm-hmm. I don't think that's how werewolves work. Yeah.

Yeah. So, I'll say that cancer. What are we doing? The opening scene. Jesus, Philip. The opening scene was great. You established a lot of things with no words.

You established basically that the male dads is very military. Fucking, we're going. O7 hundred. We're out. A kid jumps up, makes his bed when his dad makes a noise. So you know that, right, right. That dad is strict.

They go out hunting and you can see that his dad's overprotective, already off the top. And when that kid is, but when that kid's looking through the scope and he passes by the wolf guy first, you know, and you see him for that quick second. I like all this shit. Like, I don't need him to necessarily look like, you know, a giant, like he can look wolf-like, like, wherewolf by night, pretty good, you know. This just didn't, it wasn't enough, you know, I don't need, I like them when they had the long snouts and all that, but they don't, it's not necessarily a must have. Yeah, American werewolf in London, it wasn't, right? No, no, not even underworld this was. But, but, you know, when they got up into that, that, that, that tree lined, and that thing was right there banging on the door and shit with the noise, like, pretty good scene. That's good stuff, man. Yeah.

It's that jaws effect. It's, you know, it's no showing. You're hearing it. You know, you're getting sounds but not actually seeing the thing. I thought all that was really effective. Again, the sound work. Just everything is, you don't see it. You just hear like the fucking deer go over there and you hear the thing crashing away.

But at the beginning, okay, so he's climbing up the little treehouse thing, like the deer blind. And then like a whistle or something happens. And he runs the fuck away. Well, no, that was, that was a deer. That was a deer, like, in pain that sound. Oh, okay. Is that one what was? Yeah, he crashed into a member, and then the dad comes with the scope and sees the deer all fucked up.

Yes, right after that. I saw that, right. So, that was cool, but then it's like 30 years later. I'm like, damn. Yeah, big time, right? And the elves said they're in New York City. And he's trying to get the little girl from walking on the, The most unrealistic

fucking scene is when the guy gets in her face and he does nothing. Oh, I know. Hey, you little motherfucker. Yeah, I'm like, I'd have pushed a homeless dude

right in his fucking mouth. Yeah. You didn't see me on YouTube. World Star. But there is a moment there where I did like, where he's like basically coming at her like almost like how his father would.

Yeah. Yes. And then he's just like, wait a minute, that's not who I'm trying to be. So that establishes the relationship is trying to have with his dad. Yeah, that was that was a cool thing. But again, he's an over-explainer. Like, you don't tell your kid that you're not trying to be like this. You just make moves and stop fucking being like that.

Because he just keeps saying that he doesn't want to be like this while continuing to be like that. So it's like it doesn't really help anything. It's hard to fight that, though, right? If you're brought up that way, it's kind of hard to fight that instinct. I wish there was just more with Julia Garner. Why is she so disconnected with her daughter? Because it kind of felt like more than just career. It's kind of weird, yeah.

Yeah, like they're, you know. A lot unexplained in this movie, right? I have a... Similar, well, in a way, family dying, like we have a... I work. We have three kids and various stages of school and homeschooling, so my wife stays home.

And, you know, so it's a similar, family dynamic, our attitudes towards each other are nothing like this. Yeah, right, right. Like, this is toxic. These people don't like each other very much. It doesn't seem like it. That was the day. I mean, it's not toxic, like, abuse, but it just doesn't seem like

they really like enjoy each other's company. She's like, I'm busy. I'm doing shit. Yeah. The scene when he comes to bring her lunch really felt like he was ending things, not telling her she should come along on this trip. Yeah, she's just like looking at him, side eyes like he's like are you happy and she's like

why didn't you say they weren't happy but you know I mean you know relationships are hard you know we're all in them you know all long term ones and you know they take work and it's ups and downs and all this so you understand all that that's all just to establish that they're on rocky ground so that going into this trip we know that there's already some tension smash cut to the rest of the movie because so one right right

Sun starts going down when the truck is driving and it comes up when the card is to roll. That's true. That's true. Yeah. They're driving this big ass truck on this little ass road. I'm just thinking like this is already a bad idea. Are they moving to this cabin? What the fuck is happening? Yeah, I thought like, I thought you go out there. Like, you're going to be there all summer. Like you go out there in a little. He inherited it, right? He inherited the house. But drive yourself a little. I think he was going to see what, I think he was going to go take what he wanted to keep from. Oh, I got you. See, but I would go

in like... Sell the house or what? I would assume. Because the dead was finally declared well, he was very... So long. Wish he watched what the plan was. Yeah, because he never wanted to come back there. But then he wanted to bring his family there. And spend the summer. Yeah. But then like when they pick up the neighbor,

he's like, how long are you going to be here? And he's like a while. And she's like, not long. So like, they don't even know what the fuck they're doing. And there's no reason for them to be driving this big ass truck. Like get yourself a little forerunner. You know what I mean? Get out there on this mountain road. Figure out what you're looking at. Yeah. And then figure out if you even need a truck.

Yeah, they don't need a fucking moving truck. You're rid of the fucking rider truck. There's obviously a plan. The more you talk about this, the lower my score is getting. Think how much gas it's going to cost to drive that giant fucking truck through the mountains of the forest? No shit. Yep. And not just you're thinking about it. He rented this trip, this truck for the summer. I'm saying like what did they charge about the day?

I can't do that. Yeah, look, look, look. You start talking about logistics. No shit. He goes out the window. But in the trailer, when I saw it, like, they had, like, when, you know, like, the truck was all tipped over, right, in the trees. Yeah.

And then the door opened and the guy was like, bah! And then it cut. I was like, oh my God, they're like so high up. No. He felt like four feet. Like three feet. Like, four feet. I'm like, damn, they just barely like skid it off the road.

Like, they're just barely, like, right there. There's not a, I thought it was like a Jurassic Park moment, you know, like, God damn, it's way down there. Yeah. No, no. Yeah. It's just right there. They pick up the, they pick up the neighbor. It's like, it's almost like a Tucker and Dale versus evil scenario where he looks like he's going to be the creepy one, but he's the one that gets killed. He was creepy. He was giving a lot of weird looks to the backseat. Yeah, that was the, I guess. From, uh, upgrade. Oh, yeah. Well, there you go. Lee 1-0 works with the same people. You want to how high that truck was up? They got out, they climbed up to the top of the truck to get out. I know. And then they jumped off.

So that's how high it was. All right. Yep. Hey, do you want to talk? Climb down. Do you all want to talk about the twist when we found out who the other werewolf was? I didn't realize that was supposed to be a twist. I thought, I was, you saw that coming the whole time, huh?

I mean, his dad was his dad. I thought it was his dad as soon. So it was super obvious then. Yeah, I thought. All right. They did the music with the tattoo and I was like, duh. Well, I mean, I just assumed, like, there was that other one that was out there that they saw when they were, he was a kid. But then it's just out there.

That kid didn't, like, move to San Francisco and get married the next day. So, like, what happened? You know, it's just the time's up for 30 years left a lot to the imagination. Yeah, not a great script, huh? Like his dad almost seemed like he was a part of some sort of organization. Well, there was a phone call to the neighbor. Right. Which was the guy that showed him later how to get to the house.

That was his son. That was his dad, yeah. And he was like, yeah, because remember he was on the radio and he was like, you don't want it to get your son, do you? Yeah, it had the ham radio network going. You're right. Jesus Christ, this movie was all over the fucking place. The conversation just made it seem like they've been hunting.

thing for years. Yeah. Yeah. And then in classic Disney Channel moment, you know, the kids like listening to the conversation and for reasons, steps forward into the giant table of shit. You know, like, what are you doing? Like a Disney

channel show. Why are you stepping into shit? And then he's like, who? Turns away. The longing look back at the camera before it cuts. Stupid. Yeah. Like, I think they started a lot of little storyline that they could have fleshed out, although, I mean, that would have turned it into a four-hour movie, but, you know.

We didn't want that. They could have at least had some sort of explanation on some of this shit, because... I agree. Outside of family and cabin gets bit by a werewolf, nothing else really matters. True. And the only thing you get is that text in the beginning that says, hill fever, people report of hill fever, or as the Native Americans call it, whatever, whatever, face of the wolf. The face of the wolf. Yes, we definitely needed a wise Native American to explain it.

How are you going to tell me in the opening minutes of this movie that those, if you touch those mushrooms, you're going to die. And then that never comes back. That's fucked up. They made me think about mushrooms this whole movie. That's what I'm saying. They go through a red hair shit. They never go back to it.

I'm just bitching. I'm just picking it. It's just showing you how protective the dad was. I mean, he broke down what exactly. it does to you. Right. You're kind of like, maybe this comes in to play later. Yeah.

Like the wolf, you know what I would do? A handful of shrooms and eat them or? No, I'd be like, if a werever was coming to eat me, I'd eat a bunch of them. You know? Now I'm going to kill you anyway. Right. It's just going to eat you. I'm going to kill you.

In a minute, you're going to think you walked away from this all full and, you know, ready to go. But. With a nice full tummy. Steve's going to get your ass. You just wait. Or if you're going to a woods filled with a bunch of wild animals, take some fucking guns with you.

Well, they're from San Francisco, man. These guys didn't care again. There are writers and journalists from San Francisco, Phil. They're not the gun carrying type. And they're going to their family cabin in Oregon. Again, they're not the gun coat-toting type. Oh, yes, they are. That was another one of my cool of the weeks this week, actually.

We went last weekend. with a buddy of mine and my brother-in-law and my son and his couple of kids and shot a plethora of things that we all have out in the middle of nowhere, just blasting bullets, man, it was fun. Did you freeze up when the wolf popped up at the carnival when you were shooting at it? Then start tearing up at the eyes. And make like a ridiculous, like, sad. clown face.

I know. And then grab your hat and go, no, you win. That was probably a little much. Shoot that motherfucker. You embarrass me in front of my girlfriend. You're trying to take this dude's fiance or what? The notebook.

The notebook. All right. You guys ready to wrap this one up? Yeah. All right. As always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns.

We would love to hear your feedback. ideas. You know where to reach us. Thehorror Returns.com. Next week, is it going to be the ghost story Brian Presence? Is that what we're doing? Steven Sutterberg? Yes, sir. And what is the other movie? I get it.

1981. I believe 81's the changeling. I've never seen that. Now, who's in the changeling? Is it somebody pretty famous, right? George C. Scott. George C. Scott. It's got to be great, right?

He's yelling like, the changeling. Oh, man, I've never seen it. I can't wait. All right. All right. So, Philip, until the horror returns again. Good night.