The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #453: The Changeling (1980) & Presence (2025)

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

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Greetings, victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers,

and the foulest of the, language join us in celebrating the old and the new the best and the worst in horror as can be expected somebody hit something and there was a power out so apologies for the the late show this week you know i feel like if you live in alaska driving in the snow should be a requirement like you would think so right i mean most most people up here are good drivers, but you've got the few that think they know a little too much about

driving. You got a... Texans in the snow. That's a different story. Texans in the snow. Yeah, y'all got snow there, Philip. We didn't get it this far south in Florida.

Oh, you didn't? I didn't reach... Didn't reach Mountborn. I was going to say, I saw some pictures of snow on the beach in Florida too. Yeah, but nothing like Brian's raining or melting, raining, icing, sleeting,

raining again and then snowing. Yeah, that's just, it can't even layers of shit on top of shit. Because I'm not exaggerating. One day you went outside and it just looked like it was levels away from being summer. And then the next morning just snow.

Wow. Well, hmm. I guess I'll stop complaining what happened to take my sweater off during the day. That's right. That's right. All right. Let's dive right in. Cool of the week. You bring in anything this week, Brian? Let me check my list here. I got, I checked out, I think the final episode of Season 2 of Shutter's Horse greatest this week's episode. episode was space horror. Okay. A lot of great suggestions. Or? That's a totally different.

Oh, okay. I thought that's what you told me. Space horror. Oh, okay. That makes more sense. Space horror. We'll review that for a Patreon episode. Yes.

Okay. But, uh, I've never seen this space horror. Good. Good episode, but my main problem with it felt like it was probably the shortest out of all the episodes out of both seasons. And I felt like they didn't really dive into any like hidden gems, really. They talked about a couple that I've never heard of, but it didn't really feel like it was in-depth like the other episodes. Of course, you know, they talked about alien and aliens and of course.

Ben Horizon and but it just kind of felt like the episode started and then it was done. Right. So it was like half an hour or something like that probably. Yeah, they of course, you know, talked about when, you know, when shows finally go to space. You know, of course, you're going to talk about Jason X and

leprechaun in the hood. Oh, yeah. But they just kind of glanced over the stuff. Glanced over it. Did they? Did they cover Saturn 3? No. There was a... Galaxy of Terror? They briefly touched on it.

Of course, you know, the giant alien bug raping the lady. They talked about that. Aaron Moran, right? The one for Happy Days. Yeah. Have you seen that, Philip? I don't think so. That's great.

I wish somebody would suggest that for us. So check that. It's kind of glossed over it, huh? Yeah. I feel like I remembered. I feel like I would have remembered a giant bug raping woman. Oh, it tears her clothes off and everything. Yeah.

Like a caterpillar, right? Yeah. Like a catterpillar, right? They briefly talked about it. Yeah. Like some weird Japanese animation porn. Uh-huh. They just talked about while filming somebody

must have thought this was a good idea for it. scene and that's how it ended up in a movie. Okay. And they touched on the actress from Happy Days, her death scene, and then just kind of glossed over it. So it was a little disappointing. I think that's the final

episode of the season, so it was a little disappointing. Okay. Right before we got on here, I checked out the first two episodes of the new Spider-Man animated series on Disney Plus. Been wanting to see that. Is it like

into the Spider-Verse kind of series? Different Spider-Man universe. It's not connected to the MCU. It's its own thing. But there are similar similarities to the movies. I'll spoil one scene.

The scene in the Tom Holland Spider-Man movie when he comes home and Tony Stark is sitting there. In this version, it's Norman Osborne sitting there recruiting him. him. Ah, okay. Kind of a shout out, huh? Yeah. The animation takes a little bit to get used to. I'm not still not, no, I don't know if I like the animation or not. It kind of reminds me, are you guys ever seen like motion comics online? Sure. Yeah, where they just kind of move the camera across the page. Yes. Kind of reminds me of that kind of animation. So it's not definitely not Spider-verse animation. Okay. Ah, yeah, big, big step down. from that, huh?

Yeah. So, but it's decent. I'm getting, getting into it. That's only two episodes out right now. And really quick, I checked out three movies this week. The first one is body horror movie on Shutter called Grafted. I think we checked out the trailer. Yeah, I've heard good things.

I think I'm getting to the point where I'm, I think I'm really dissent. because all I heard was this movie was gross, disgusting. I didn't feel that way. I felt like it was just a good story. The acting was pretty good. The effects were pretty good, but I just, I didn't feel grossed out. I didn't feel any scene was just kind of making my stomach turn or anything. They always do that.

I don't understand. I know. Like they hit out barf bags. scariest thing you've ever seen, and then it's not scary at all. Yeah. There are some parts in it, you will say, kind of remind you of the substance. Okay. But it's not the substance, basically.

But there just seems like one of those times when two movies come out around the same time. It kind of had the same thing going on. Okay. case, and I thought that from the trailer, Brian, that is kind of similar. So it is then, huh? There's some scenes that are like that, but the storyline is not the substance at all. It's a whole thing going on. So it's worth a watch, though.

But I just may have got overhyped with the whole stomach shurning, disgusting scenes that I was thinking I was going to get, didn't really get it. Okay. Next movie, Lansing. Didn't go over the top, huh? No. Next movie, Lance. I think you've seen this one, last draw. Yeah.

Yeah, so that last year. Yeah. 31 days. Oh, yeah. I forgot to do that show. Oh, yeah. We still haven't finished. Holy fucking shit.

It's four months later, Philip. Brian, I haven't finished our 31 days. Last draw, a decent kind of play on the home invasion movie. except it's a waitress out of diner, had some twists and turns in there. I thought it was pretty decent. I don't know. I think it probably should get it talked about a little bit more. I thought it was a more than actually more than decent invasion type movie.

So. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Some unexpected alliances and stuff like that toward the end, I thought like things. Yeah. Things I wasn't, turns I wasn't expecting it to take and whatnot. Yeah. What is that one on?

Shutter. Oh, okay. Yeah. Last straw. Somebody put on your Facebook group, are they going to make a first straw or something like that? Was that sound? Yeah, I think so.

Okay. All right. And a pretty decent job acting. I didn't recognize. The only name I recognized was Jeremy Sisto. And the only thing I know him from is. That's who that was. Okay.

The only thing I know him from is Clueless? Yes. Okay. I didn't realize until you just now said it. It just clicked. But you wouldn't recognize him because, of course, if you only know him from Clueless, he was like, what, in his 20s, and now he's like in his 40s, 50s. Yeah, it happens. We all get old.

That'll do it. That'll do it. And another week, another Nick Frost horror movie. Crazy House. Crazy House. What did you think, man? Remember when we saw this trailer, Philip? Crazy House looked like a crazy sitcom or something like that?

Oh, maybe. Yeah, it is a sitcom. It's a literal sitcom that all of a sudden becomes real, and he flips out and decides to murder people. Yeah, yeah, okay. I think I remember. Remember this one? And Alicia Silverstone plays his wife. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, okay. I did not recognize her until, like, the credits popped up. Uh-huh. I wanted to love this, but it took too long to get to the crazy. Wow. It got weird. Too much house, not enough crazy, huh? It took too long setting up that this was a sitcom with a live studio audience.

Oh, boy. Then it got weird. and introduce a lot of weird characters, a lot of weird stuff happening. And then you're just kind of waiting for Nick Frost's character, just lose it because he keeps talking in his head. Just, you know, kill everybody, kill everybody. And about time he gets to that, it's more than half the movie's gone. Oh, God. And you're pretty desensitized by then, huh?

Yeah. And then you're trying to figure out, is this? actors on a sitcom set for filming or is this actual sitcom breaking the fourth wall? I'm starting to check it out. It kind of really doesn't explain it. Oh no, it leaves the door open, huh? Yeah. It's interesting.

It's a cool idea. It's just the crazy Nick Frost killing shit. Is there an alligator behind you? There's an alligator walking behind? Oh, it's my dog. Oh, okay. He just got a big old alligator head. Alaskin alligator.

But it's cool. It's a cool idea. I just wanted that Nick Frost losing it a little bit sooner instead of waiting damn near until the end of the movie. Gotcha. But if I had to pick a movie for a cool, the week, it would probably be last straw. Because I thought that was pretty good. Well done.

It sounds interesting. I'll have to check that one out. Yeah, it's pretty good, man. And it's short, like an hour and 20 minutes, right, Brian? Yeah, it moves. It's welcome. Yeah, well, I got a couple of TV series I watched this week. All right.

Let's see if we match any. Not really horror related at all. It's a night agent. the second season came out. It's a, like a spy thriller on Netflix. It's kind of cheesy, but it's a lot of fun. I had a good time with that. Night agent, okay.

I think that guy was supposed to be he, man. Oh, was he? Really? I think he was until they recasted. Yeah, he's been in a bunch of shit. I couldn't tell you what anything that he's in has been, but I've seen him in things. Yeah.

He's that guy. Seems up and coming. And another TV series also on Netflix that I watched off of Steve's recommendation last week was American Prime Evil. Yes. Holy shit, dude.

You got my cool of the week, man. It was so awesome. Like, they tie the story up real good. Everybody's kind of a bad guy. I'm only two episodes. in. I'm only two episodes in. Yeah, I won't

get too into spoilers or anything, but what's his name? Taylor Kitch is awesome in this movie. He can act. He can. I like him. I like him a lot, especially now that he's kind of older. Yeah, maybe he had to mature a little bit, right?

Yeah, but this is like because after watching that Kevin Costner thing... Oh, God, Horizon. I didn't hate it but it was only like I guess it was still like three hours long

which is long for a movie but that felt like more of a chore than this entire series yeah I could see that and I didn't I didn't even hate the Kevin Costner thing it's just that nothing I couldn't tell you anything that actually happened in the thing because nothing happened it didn't wow you

yeah it wasn't a coherent story for the scale of I haven't seen it but from the scale of it and the cast and everything everybody that I heard talk about it just wasn't wild by it.

Well it's just there's too much shit going on and too many characters and you're like why am I supposed to care about this? Good point. Good point. You have there's still a pretty big cast in this one but it follows like two or three little storylines. There's a main one

and then there's some obvious little secondary and tertiary storylines that are going on. And it works pretty well. It's super fucking brutal. Yeah. And I liked it a lot, man. I had a good time with this one.

I got stuck on it. And you get Dane Dahan. And you get Dane Dahan. Right? With, you haven't got there. Dane to Han is insane in this. I can imagine. It's great.

Yeah. I can imagine. Well, like, like what did Steve say last week? Don't get too attached. to any of the characters right yeah because they're like they're not afraid to do list killing how's that gonna go work pretty well I the way that they they took his character in a direction that I did not expect to see coming man we got four four more episodes to go have you have you seen him Brian no I was

gonna start it today yeah very cool you gotta get on that man you're gonna love it yeah great photography too real quick I forgot to mention I I watched a short fan film called Jokers Wild where David Howard Thornton. Oh. Art the Clown plays the Joker. Yep. So wait, like, okay, so he's actually playing this part and just a film that the fan directed? Yeah.

It's not like some AI generated shit? No. He's in full makeup prosthetics playing the Joker. Oh. eating the shit out of Robin. It's the Death and the Family comic series where Oh, okay, it's that storyline. Well, if you guys remember when we interviewed him, he said he was a huge Joker fan. I bet he's

a good Joker. And a huge Fismicom Comedy fan, right? He's pretty convincing as the Joker. He has the mannerisms and the laugh and it's pretty violent and I just I'll just say I feel sorry for Robin. So you two? Yeah. He liked it.

Don't let him out of you. It's about 12 minutes. He liked it. He liked it. Oh, Robin. All right. So we both got American Prime Evil, Philip. How about that?

All right. Short list this week. Brian, take us away for our headlines, man. What we got? All right, the body horror film together starring Allison Brie and Dave Franco gets picked up by Neon and gets August 1st, August 1st, 2025 release date. Interesting cast. We got some Terrify our Ford News. Damien Leone.

Is it Leone or Leone? Whatever he wakes up feeling that day. Okay. Hey, it's a Leone. We'll go with Leone. He revealed recently that he's begun work on the script. We will get Art's origin story. Oh.

He said it will be sad and emotional, and Terrifier 4 will be the conclusion of the Terrifier series. Well, that's a good one to go out on because I'm like, you know, if you're going to give Arts origin story, you kind of have to nail it. True. Let's see. What else we got here?

Forged in fire. We got more casting news. You've seen this before. Philip, you've seen this, haven't you, forged in fire? Oh, Forged in Fire? Hell yeah, dude. I love that show. All right.

Sorry about that, Brian. Didn't mean to go off track there. We got more casting news for Adam Wingard's action horror movie on slot. Rebecca Hall joins the cast. She's in a lot, a lot of stuff these days. Yeah. That's the girl from all the Flanagan stuff, right? No.

Okay. I think you're thinking of. Katie Sagal or Seigle. Yeah. Who we confused with the Married with Children actress that was in Sons of Anarchy. And didn't she just turn this game all night? Didn't she just turn 70 or something like that? I don't know.

I used to have kind of a crush on her. I was thinking, man, if I was Al Bundy, I'd go upstairs with her. Instead of rolling his eyes all the time and putting his hand down his pants. No shit, man. Yeah. Like what you complained about. Then she played Gemma. And then I didn't like that.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. This one's surprising news. You guys seen which movie called The Wretched came out 2020? I've heard of it. Yes, with the bones and stuff like that. I think so. I couldn't tell you what it is, but I'm sure.

It was kind of like the same storyline as Fright Night, but with a witch instead of a vampire. Yeah, not from what I remember. Okay. I think we all seen it, but we all didn't really care for it because we're just by our memory of it. Yes, it's failing us. It is getting a sequel. wretched too, huh? Yes.

All right. There you go. Let's see. What else we got? Scary movie, the scary movie reboot gets a June 12, 2026 release date. Oh, boy. Scary movie reboot. I don't know.

The Wayans are returning to right and direct. Okay. I don't even know who's doing good comedy these days. I'm not, I mean, I like, I'm not really into stand-up, stand-ups, because I think, I don't, I don't like to rehearse stuff. I like comedian podcasts when they're just coming off of straight. That makes sense. Yeah, I could see that. I mean, I, I, I, is, but is there still a place for this slapsticky comedy?

I mean, I haven't, I don't know. I don't know. I haven't seen anything that succeeded in a long time. I think if there's a chance, it has a good chance with they're bringing not only Marlon and Sean, but Keenan Ivory to write and directed. So they're bringing what made the franchise good, which was the original ones. Yeah. So I think it has a chance. The old living color days.

What's the last thing any of those people have done? It's been a while. I mean, I'm sure they've been doing stuff, but do you know about it? Like, it's not, they didn't stop being funny. I think that humor is just passed. I don't know if this is going to work here. I know Marlins. They started having like epic movie and date movie and all that bullshit.

Yeah, that got a little bit. I know, Marlon's been doing like serious stuff. Yeah, I know he was doing the daily show or some shit there for a minute. And I know you guys don't watch it, but me and my daughter watch the Bel Air reboot. Oh, yeah. He plays, he plays Bruce Smith. He plays Will Smith's father. And he's, yeah, Marlon Wayans.

It's definitely not a comedic performance. That's like a dark version of the Fresh Prince. Marlon's got some acting chops out of all of them. Yeah. What was that? A Requiem for a Dream? that definitely that movie was not comedy at all.

Uncomfortable. Very uncomfortable. But then he did Dungeons and Dragons. And he was good in that. I love that movie. I always liked Sean more personally. But Marlon's probably more talented. You think so? Yeah, well.

He puts in a lot more work than I think majority of the wings. brothers. He's the one I'm constantly hearing his name, if any of them. Godzilla Kong's next movie cast. Caitlin Dever. Probably don't recognize the name. She was the actress in that movie, the Alien Invasion movie. No one will hear you.

Oh. The one where she didn't say anything during the whole movie. Yes, dialogue-free movie. I loved it. And she's also in season two of The Last of Us. Hmm. Okay. So she's getting her name out there.

Hot property then right now. We're getting another Resident Evil reboot. Did we need it, Philip? I mean, I'm kind of zobbyed out, to be honest with you. Literally. Yeah, I got you. Does this? Maybe Megan will show on.

Does this intrigue you guys? Barbarian director Zach Krieger is going to write and direct it. Okay. I mean, maybe he could make it a little more like the video. And I haven't played Resident Evil in a long time. So I know like Resident Evil 4 is super huge

and I've never actually played all the way through that one. But, you know, like the first one, she shows up at this house for some fucking reason i can't remember but it's creepy as hell and i think it could totally work as a movie if you did it right so maybe they go that route instead of the action movie roided out zombies attacking everywhere thing yeah they need a new angle i agree with you it's got to be it's got to be something different right like a friend no pun intended a fresh take on zombies right you can't have the same old, you know, slow staggering, herd, you know, like walking dead, and then

you get to where you're desensitized to the zombies because all the people are the real bad guys, you know? Let's get back to zombies being the fucking monsters, right? I think they could still even go with the slow meandering zombies if they do it right, because that could be super creepy. That's true. Yeah, that's true, especially in dark, dark, tight spaces. Mm-hmm. It just has to be the, you know. The atmosphere has to be right. We'll see.

And we'll leave off. One last thing. Left off last week. I was supposed to talk about it last week. Teacup, my peacock. Cancilled after one season. Aw, nuts. Well, I mean.

So never know what happens. They left a clip hanger. Go read the book. Go read Stinger by Robert McCammon. Then you'll know what happens. But I want to see what happens. All right. That's the news.

All right. So, Philip, you're ready to go on down to the trailer park? Let's go. All right. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's the first new trailer to talk about tonight? The first one we're going to talk about is a new comedy slasher, hell of a summer which is

starring Finn Wolfhard and Billy Burke written by Finn Wolfheart and Billy Burke and directed by Finn Wolfhard and Billy Burke Oh my God, this is starting to feel like Wayne's World like public access TV Channel 3 or whatever it was Now this is coming from I believe neon neon again

well they're they're pretty picky I think in the titles that they that they take on so I keep saying it every time we talk about neon neon is making a move for you a 24 yeah well I mean I think they they've they've been in a similar field for a while right neon's been kind of nipping at their heels yeah so we'll see yeah this this one doesn't look like an art house movie though does it no but you know they're given fin a chance to do his little directorial debut here and uh i mean maybe it's like hey let's appease this kid because he's gonna be huge at some point i mean he already kind of is but i think he's going to be an actor for a really long time like we're all going to remember him when he was little playing in stranger

things uh i i actually think this might be his move out of acting I'm maybe really because I've seen some things he kind of seems like he doesn't like being in the limelight okay and I know I know he's directed some short films and I've read some things that he's kind of taken to directing and doing stuff behind the camera and doing stuff with his band so maybe I think if this is a success I think he might pivot out of, I mean, I'm not going to say he's not going to act anymore, but maybe this might be a new career for him. A more of a creative dude then. I'm pretty sure he had the option to not act in his own movie and he did, so.

Yeah. There is that. Well, he's writing it with his best friend. Maybe this is something they wrote. Yeah. Kind of like a super bad, where Seth, Rogan and was Adam Evan Goldberg.

They kind of wrote those roles for them, but about time they got the movie made. Seth was way too old to be playing to high school. Oh, yeah. Right, right. So, I mean, I like a good summer slasher. Lance? Give it a shot, man. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Well, I'm reserving judgment. The trailer didn't blow me away, but you never know. He didn't blow me away either, but it looked, you know. It looked funny. I mean, he's got some pretty good comedic chops. Maybe they get some good slasher scenes involved. I think it could be something.

All right. Let's see. Release dates. April 18th. Not too far away. Now that is of 2025, right? Yes. Yeah, I don't think this is the kind of movie.

All right. T's about a year early. I don't think you want to sit on this one for a year. All right. Yeah. It's not like the new return of the living dead then, huh? You don't want him looking like he's 16 and doing interviews for the movie when he's like 28 or something. Yeah. Yeah.

Wouldn't be the first time, though, right? Yeah, I mean, shit, look at fucking Stranger Things, final season. Every time I hear some news coming out about it, it's not a release date. Yeah, what's up with that, man? The news that came out today is every episode is a blockbuster-type movie. And I'm like, that's cool and everything, but when the fuck are you going to give it to us? Yeah, they're all going to be like on walkers and eating oatmeal in the old folks on. Are they Fire Festival?

I remember what we were kids. It's going to be the best thing you've ever seen, I swear to God. I mean, we're getting... They don't even have an idea. They were started. We're going to, I'm going to call it, we're going to get the conclusion of Squid Game, which probably should have put that in news. That

season three is going to come out in the summer. Ah. And Cobur Kai's finale, I think, comes out next month. Oh, wow. We're getting those finale before Stranger Things. They'll probably

time it for Halloween. Halloween season. What do you think? I don't want to wait that long. Yeah, well. It means I have to keep Netflix. Gotta keep your Netflix, right? Yeah, and they raised it a dollar. Oh, yeah. They're doing that a lot.

Like I said, I've been paying 25 bucks a month for it for a couple of years now. Those fuckers got us. You know, but I've got like seven or eight people that use it. So, eh, I guess when you divide it out, it ain't that bad. Unfortunately, I'm the one paying the fucking bill every month. Yeah, that's usually how it works.

All right, on to our final trailer, and it is a new Christopher Landon film, which people know Christopher Landon from Happy Death Day, Freaky. Yes. Tim Davis's favorite director. favorite franchise happy death day yes yes whenever we do that Christopher Landon retrospective we'll definitely have Tim Davis come on oh we're being very sarcastic yeah

his new film drop starring Megan Faye box oh okay drop Jeff Fahey's daughter let me click on the name I didn't recognize her at all if she been in anything Megan the Fahey, huh?

Okay. Looks like stuff I don't know. Okay. I don't recognize anything she's been in. Yeah, she didn't look familiar at all. I'm looking at the cast. It looks like a pretty much unknown cast. At least to me, I don't recognize anybody.

I don't either. Cool idea. Yeah. I don't think as far as I know have been done. stalker or killers using the airdrop to send this lady's stuff while she's on the date.

I like the idea a lot. More of an action movie, really, wouldn't you think, than horror? Yeah. Or thriller. Thriller. Yeah. I kind of wish we talked about this last week

because I think Steve liked the trailer and he had some things he wanted to say about it because he felt like the trailer was telling us that this was going to be real suspenseful, which I hope so. I don't want to get blumbed because this is a Blumhouse movie. Well, yeah, it looks pretty suspenseful.

And it seems like a kind of right up my alley kind of movie. It's a different take on an old trope. The cell phone, you have to do what the killer says or they're going to kill your family kind of thing. Oh, yeah, phone booth. Remember that one? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't have a lot. I like that one. Yeah. Yeah. It was good. Was it a cell phone with Chris Evans. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yep. And so it sort of seems like it's in that vibe. And, you know, as long as they paint my numbers, which it looks like they're kind of doing. And then maybe even color outside the lines a little bit. I think, I think it'll be pretty decent. I don't know if I'm willing to go to the theater to see it because it said it's coming to the theaters. But it looks good. Brian will probably make it.

It depends on what comes out that week. Yeah, because I mean, this is not like super duper horror genre stuff. But it looks good. I like it. Well, I mean, if we put it on the schedule, we already brought up a couple movies that we compare it up with. Yeah. Yeah. Ah.

Oh, this comes out the week before Finn Wolfhardt's movie. This comes out April 11th. Ah, there you go. Didn't Lars from Denmark request that we do a commentary? I forget all about that, man. I could have sworn Lars without an idea for a commentary. I think he did. I think he sent it.

I completely. I think you sent it to me and I didn't work it in. Sorry, everybody. It's kind of hard. Mad God. Mad God. It's kind of hard to work in all these requests and keep them with the new release movies too. Yeah.

We'll make it happen. Just do two shows a week, right? But I am. I forgot the young ladies named. I requested Kerry. I'm going to work it into the schedule and it is going to be a two-part episode because I didn't realize

I thought there were three movies I forgot about Rage, Carrie 2. There's so many Carrie movies, huh? And Lance. So much blood. I've seen on YouTube. There's Carrie the musical. Uh-oh.

All right. I guess we're in for a penny. We're in for a pound, huh? so that'll be coming soon Lars I work in Mad God not the dirty pillows I started that movie

I like what I saw but I never got to finish it so I did I have always wanted to watch that movie oh man I saw it incredibly stoned yeah it seems like the way you'd probably watch that one

I would say that's how the commentary should go but hey I'm down Something could happen and we could be doing a commentary and not recording a damn thing. Wouldn't be the first time, would it? That's true. But drop comes out April 11th, and that is our final trailer. And another recommendation, do not see the new trailer for Sinners, the Michael B. Jordan vampire movie.

Oh, no, it gives too much away. The very end gives out something I speculated on, if you guys remember what I was talking about. about when we reviewed the original trailer I speculated on. They kind of give away a good thing that would have been a nice surprise at the very end. I don't know what's going on with these trailers lately. Yeah. Yeah, that one for companion. That was criminal, man.

That was fucking. Yeah, I'm hearing great reviews for the movie, but they're all saying the same thing. Which I hadn't seen the trailer. Yeah. That seems to happen a lot now. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

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That's a huge. John. That could be two full episodes right there. Yeah, there was a lot of recommendations on there, stuff that I've never heard of. So, great, great series. Check it out, especially if you want to... Expand your knowledge. Yeah, watch some things you've never heard of or stuff like that. Great, great series. I hope they do with Season 3. Although Lake Placid is the first thing that comes to mind.

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I don't get the whole, when people hate this movie, because they keep saying it was aliens versus kids. Right. They weren't kids. They were young adults. Young adults. Yeah, right. Oh, and the Fed-A-Alvarez said,

because there was a rumor that they were going to somehow bring Ellen Ripley into the sequel. He said, no. Okay. Yeah, that wouldn't. Yeah, thank God. Yeah. Leave that alone. That stands on its own merit for sure.

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All right. And we have a new poll. What's the best haunted house movie ever? Amityville Horrors and the lead with 21%. But right behind it is the Conjuring at 18%. Okay. Old and new. Yeah.

I don't know what the best haunted house movie is ever. That's a tough question. Let's see. I think I like The Conjuring, too. Yeah. I like it better than the first. My money. You like Patrick Wilson singing?

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The other has been dead for over 70 years I'd like to talk to you about the house Did you die in this house? How did you die? He's trying desperately to communicate What is it in that house, Claire? What is it doing? Why is it trying to reach me?

I want it. You've got something of the senators. He wants it back. What did you want? Many films will frighten you. but only a few can really terrify you the changeling and experience beyond total fear

George not George Harrison oh my god for an old dude I'm really fucking striking out here I know I think George Wallace George Gostanza no I can see his face

come on somebody help me out here and filter me off he said Rocking New Year's Eve guy. No way. George Hamilton. George Hamilton. Okay, wrong guy. Not Alexander.

Not to be confused with Alexander Hamilton. I don't know. You said Rocking New Year's Eve guy for some reason. I thought of Casey Kasem. That's who I was thinking of. America's top 40. I was like, I don't think his name is George. And then there was George in the jungle.

The writers are Russell Hunter, William Gray, and Diana Maddox. Never a good idea to have three writers. The house and the movie in real life doesn't and never actually did exist. The filmmakers could not find a suitable mansion for the film, so at a cost of around $200,000, the production had a Victorian Gothic mansion facade attached to the front of a much more modern dwelling. in a Vancouver Street. The construction was used for the filming of all exteriors of the movies

Carmichael Mansion. In the interiors of the haunted house were an elaborate group of interconnected sets built inside a film studio in Vancouver. Okay. Yeah, we both hummed that one at the same time. Director. Brian pitched in too.

Director Peter Madak said that he was initially intimidated by stories of actor George C. Scott being so difficult to work with. The only trouble Madak had was Scott on the set was when production managers accidentally knocked over a chess board on which Scott had been playing a game against himself for over two weeks. That's kind of weird anyway. That much of an asshole, but nobody wants to play chess with him? All right. Lance, you want to start us off? What do you think about the changeling? Yeah, because my review is going to be super quick, unfortunately, because I fell asleep.

And that's why my score, to be fair, is going to be five. Because I can't say whether I liked it or I didn't. But I don't know if it was the movie so much. It's just I was just, like, really exhausted. But, I mean, I will say that if you're saying they designed it. that house like as a set piece just for the movie, that's fucking impressive. Because that thing looked like a

goddamn mansion. I mean, like Mara Lago over here, you know? And it's like one dude staying in that huge place, the fucking electricity bill's got to be $1,000 a month. And it was kind of funny, though. It looked like he was like

his part, I think, should have been played by someone maybe a little younger at the beginning because it's like you get this dude that looks like he's 80 years old and he's like got a little five or six year old kid running in the road and a wife looks like just 20. Yeah, that's a little odd to me. Very odd. Very odd. That was after his first family had died.

I got a pass because I missed most of the movie. Sorry, guys. That's okay. Brian, what do you think? I don't know if this movie's considered a cult classic or not. So I don't know if my review is going to be kind. controversial, but it just wasn't doing it for me. I felt well, maybe that is why I fell asleep down. Bored throughout the movie. I'm vindicated.

It starts out with the bang, because that's a tragedy right there to have something not only happened, but to watch it happen. Right. Because him being in the phone booth, I felt like his felt him feeling that, you know, he wanted, wanted to do something, but couldn't. do anything he just had to watch. And that was tragic. Yeah, helpless. I was searching for the word. Thanks, Lance.

But after that, it just was paint by the numbers, haunted house, opening doors, turning on water faucets, banging noises, and impressive set that they built, but I felt like they didn't utilize it enough. Oh, that is. is a good point yeah good point and the the mystery of finding out what's going on in the house it took

so long to get to what really happened and why that these occurrences were happening that I just felt bored by the time the reveal on why everything was happening was happening I was just kind of I didn't care. And to cast George C. Scott, he's a great actor, but I just kind of felt like he was miscast in this one. Yeah, he's probably too old for that character in general. He's too old and he seems like a grouchy asshole. And it just kind of didn't feel like the character needed that type of actor. And yeah, I'm kind of with Lance. I don't really have much to say.

I had a hard time just getting my attention to the movie because it was just so slow. And then when something would happen, it would be the same thing again, like the damn banging. Yeah. Like that's, it got to the point where it wasn't scary. It was just annoying. Or like that scene where he's like, he's listening to the tape and he starts to hear the voices. And he like rewinds a tape fucking 10 times to listen to the exact same. thing over and over and I'm like are you just hadn't for time what do we just get on with

one scene that one scene that I felt was effective is when his friend that was helping him do the investigation when she came to the house by herself and she was chasing him around the house but she wasn't really chasing him it was the ghost pretending to be him I thought stuff like that was effective okay but we didn't get a lot of that we got turning on faucets and banging and just constant stuff like that and I'm just like that's not scary I mean maybe in 1980 I would I guess maybe was scary but then I think of the movies that came out around that time and I'm just like no it's not scary no it's not yeah yeah well and because my initial reaction when you said the paint by numbers thing

was well was it really paint by numbers back then but yeah that 100% was so I can't really say I was entertained by this I'm glad I watched it because I've heard about it throughout the years but I thought the movie was going to be something completely different and it just turned out to be boring I also don't understand why it's called the change yeah where does that title come from he I thought it was going to be about

the mythical creature of a changeling where they swap out the changeling for they kidnapped a kid and swap it out Yeah like the old Irish He just used the term because the father that killed

his son for the inheritance adopted another kid and posed him off Oh, I get it So he used the term Changeling Yeah, I don't know if that works Yeah

But by the time we got to all that, I was just kind of like, I don't care. Yeah, that's that's kind of where I was at. This movie was a little bit of a chore. It was super drawn out and kind, boring. And I had a hard time paying attention to it. Okay, I don't feel so bad that I fell asleep then. Yeah, no, I mean, there's a reason you fell asleep. because I almost did.

I was having a real hard time just paying attention to what was going on on the screen. And then when I did, I was like, okay, I get it. Let's go. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe that's just my attention span at this point. Probably not.

Sounds like you're in good company. Yeah. But yeah, this one definitely didn't do it for me. All right, Lance. So you gave it a default five, Brian, what do you think? Default 5. Like I said,

it's paid by numbers, run to the mill. I think a five is decent score, so I'm going to give it a 5 also. It's not bad. It's not horribly acted. It's just drawn out to the point where it's kind of a chore to get through.

Yeah, and for that reason, actually, I'm going to give it a 4. Because I would rather not sit through this one again. Yeah. We're going to get so much hate off of this one, I'm sure. If you cast George C. Scott, I want him going bat shit crazy, fucking yelling at people.

Ah, the changeling, you know, just. He has that one scene where he's, like, in bed crying. And it's supposed to be like an emotional scene. I'm just like watching him try to do this scene. I'm just like, stop it. What are you doing? Get out of here. Yeah.

I mean, you know, it's your basic Conard House movie. It's not awful. It just is boring. What's it like? What's what like? Anybody die. Scary. And it goes on.

What do you mean? The world cracks apart. You fall into this hole and the sides are mud and you can't get out. I wonder where they are. I wonder what it will be like if you were there too. We were just fading to black again? Okay. All right, Lance, what do you think about presents?

Oh, man. I really wanted to like this movie because Sutterberg did such a great job with Unsaine. And I thought, all right, let's see him do horror again. You know, we've seen the magic Mike. We've seen the Logan Lucky. You know, we've seen his other oceans, 17, 18, 19, 20, 27, and all that.

So I'm like, okay, cool. Another horror maybe. This is going to be great. It's going to be as of your seat. The fucking video camera going through a goddamn house for fucking 90 minutes of the movie. And then all this family drama, I don't know, man. The guys, this wasn't for me.

I really went in with high expectations. And I thought, okay, yeah, this is cool. He's going to do like an artsy type. I don't know. I was expecting, more of an artsy type angle, like a Soderberg action, you know, where something's always going on, but he puts more of like a spin to it.

But to me, this was just like super dull. And all the characters were hateable, not hateable to me, but just not likable. Didn't care for the dad, didn't care for the relationship with the mom and the son. It's super creep me out. Didn't care for Lucy Lou's acting in this one. Didn't care for, you know, the little scenes where you've got the,

lady at the very beginning that's wanting to sell the house, so she's prepping everything. To me, it didn't flesh the story out super well. There were some very irritating characters, in my opinion. I'm not going to be giving this the eight like Pedro did. I don't want to say too much, because there's a bit of a twist. Maybe, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it's maybe more of a reveal than a twist.

Makes sense. A lot of people are going to love this movie, though. So this is going to be a divisive one. This is going to be this year's night swim, Brian. Interesting. Brian, what do you think? I understand what Lance is saying. I did have a problem with portions of the movie,

especially the beginning. I felt like the setup for what was to come. Took a little long to get there. Yeah. I thought it was a cool idea. to come from the point of view of the ghost. I don't know how I feel about the acting because at time it felt like they were just reading lines.

But then it made me think... Intentional? That's what I was wondering, because it made me think of that M. Knight Shyamalan movie. What was the one where they were on the... Yeah, old. Yeah, yeah. And I remember watching...

And that was by design. Yeah, I remember watching a behind-the-scenes thing about it. said he kind of had them read lines like they were doing the stage play so I was wondering maybe that's what was going on here I kind of agree with you Lance I didn't like some of the characters some of them I did feel for I will warn people there are some subject matters they get into during this movie that might trigger some people so that's funny you should say that because a.J is watching blink twice

in the other room right now. Oh, did you warn her? Oh, yeah. Well, they have a trigger warning at the beginning of the movie. Have you seen that? Yeah, that's right. No. That they sure do warn you before the movie comes up. But when it actually got to the, I guess, how you could say, the meat of the story, I kind of started enjoying it more. There is a character in there that gets his comeuppins. in an unfortunate way because it happens to another character

and I just kind of like how the story started unfolding so I guess you could say I liked the second half of the movie more than I liked the first half because yeah I could see that if it didn't get going like I said I probably would have totally tapped out

of this movie and yeah I could see that but I do understand what you're saying Lance about the characters because I think the son is probably the least likable fucking character in this movie and the you say Lucy Lou the fucking dad was

weird to me I don't oh yeah I don't know having that cigarette saying since when do you smoke give me that fucking cigarette and then he sucks the whole cigarette down and I was like wait a minute hold on yeah I don't know I hate that both closet smoke I mean, there was times when he seemed like a good

father. It's just there was times in the movie. I'm just like a good pop in the mouth will probably fix something. Yeah. He does I don't. He let him get way far. I don't know I'm not

saying anything about anybody else how they run their household, but my son is not going to fucking talk to me that way. Yes. A million percent. Like, you know why those kids talk like that? Because you fucking let them. Yeah.

There is that. There is that. Because there was a scene where the, the, it's a bunch of dramatic shit happens and words is said back and forth. And then somebody walks off and he looks at the wife. He was like, go after her. I know. You deal with it.

Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. There was a few scenes, especially in the beginning. I came around to him a little more towards the end of the movie, but especially in the beginning where he was letting his kids get away with an awful lot of just disrespect in the house. I definitely agree with you, Phil.

In the beginning, he was letting a little too much go. But the scenes with his daughter, I really like their relationship. and how he was with her recognizing the thing she was going to. And he was, I don't know what to deal with. I kind of wish that was more fleshed out because I didn't understand what the mother, why she was so standoffish in the relationship and not willing to step in and do anything. Yeah, they just gave clues of the backstory, right? And then there was, there was some sort of situation they were into.

Yeah, financial... That he kept alluding to... Shady. Yeah, and that never got brought up. I thought that was going to be a big reveal. Right. But it just kind of was a thing. I think I'm kind of okay that they did that.

Well, I will get a little more into it. Spoilers. But yeah, Lucy Lou was definitely not the most likable character in this movie. No. And neither was her son. Although... We'll talk about that later. Okay.

I actually really enjoy it. It's not a horror movie. I figured you did. No. Yeah. It's coming in. It's a supernatural drama. Yeah, it is a 100%.

It's a family drama movie. And then it's got like this fun supernatural. You're seeing everything through the ghost perspective while you're watching it. And the whole time that I'm watching the movie, I can't help but think. you know what who who is this ghost why because it doesn't talk at all you're just seeing things through the camera's perspective right and and you're thinking the whole time who is this ghost why are they there what is the motivation where's the resolution here and uh it does tie it together pretty well in the end i think um i don't know if i would call it a twist although you could

I think it's kind of more of a reveal but then after the reveal it made me think back on the rest of the movie and why some things happened and I thought that was kind of cool yeah but and yeah the hard I like that they did a lot of

like you know one take shots in this movie but like the hard cuts were weird yeah I felt like we were going to commercial or something. Yeah. It was like a little too hard of a cut.

Like, I don't know if you could have done something a little different there to make it make more sense since you're seeing things through the perspective of the ghost. To at least maybe fade off into the ether and then come back somewhere else or something. I like, I don't know. But I don't know that those hard cuts worked very well. It was a choice, right? It was a choice. But it was, I think, an interesting and unique creative movie that made me think at the end of it, and I enjoyed that. All right.

So we'll do some scores, and then we'll get to spoilers. Lance, what do you think? We got the spectrum tonight. This is a three out of ten. Yeah, three out of ten. It's not trash. It may be on a fringe of a bottom list, just because, e-ish. all that going through the house with a camera.

Oh, man. But yeah, I can see where Phillips coming from, too. So for me, three on ten. All right, Brian. Something in me wants to give this movie a seven, but I think I'm more comfortable with giving it a six and a half. I liked it more than I, the parts I didn't like are outweighed by the parts I do like. I think the acting that I had a problem with now that I'm thinking about it I think it was my choice the way they were acting

there was seeing good and I didn't even really get that when I was watching it I think most of it I think I got it from was the son yeah because I thought he was probably the weakest actor yeah that's probably but I noticed yes yeah I got Wikipedia pulled out right here you can't even click on his name so I don't even know if he's even ever done anything else. Yeah. So. Yeah, he looked like he was a new kid. But there was some stuff I really did enjoy. Like I said earlier, the stuff with the father and the daughter, their interactions, their

conversations I really, I really liked, really gave me an insight on their relationship. But then there was a lack of insight on the stuff with Lucy Lou's character. Why was she the way she was and kind of took me out with some characters? other things brought me kind of back in and then the whole reveal or twist I don't know what we're going to call it but I like that yeah

so I guess I'm basically saying I like the movie a little bit more than I didn't like it cool I'm almost kind of okay that they didn't go into detail with the Lucy Lou part like mystery there, huh? Yeah, it just added, it sort of gave you a vague reason why there's

tension. Tension, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you get a scene at the very end that's an emotional scene, including her. Yeah. Yeah. And that was a stark difference to what she was

in the beginning. So I guess you can say there maybe was levels to her character that I'm just now realizing. Or layers. like ogers, like onions. I'm perfect. I'm going to give it. I'm going to go with Patreon on this one, man.

I think I'm going to give it an eight. All right. I had a good time with it. As a family drama, you know, they had the daughter and the son. That's also what I have. Mine are not quite that old yet. But we're almost there. You're working on it.

Yeah. Or they're working on it. Yeah. And I can understand why a lot of people thought it was kind of slow and boring, especially if you're coming into it thinking that it's like a legit horror movie because it's not at all. Like I don't even know if this belongs in the horror category. Yeah, because I put that poll up based on this movie we were doing the best haunted house movies. This is probably, I would not even put that on that list. Right, yeah.

This is not up there with Amityville or The Conjuring. This is not that type of haunted house movie. Yeah. But it is an interesting one that sort of makes you think. It's like, so like the others, I would call horror. That was a big, and that was a big twist, right? Right. But it also was kind of one.

I gave you a daughter. Yeah, and they took a unique perspective to it. They did that here, but it wasn't. there was no there was no really scary parts at all right right yeah I mean there were see that's what I that's what I wanted I wanted a little bit more

fear I guess I don't know yeah you wanted more with the ghost I wanted Casper to show up god damn it I didn't get Caspa Miss Caspa see and I wish he'd been doing more ghosty shit the whole time yeah we'll talk about it in spoilers there there's a few times but

I think they were too few. Yeah. All right. Spoilers. All right. The few times I would like the part where the ghost is, I don't know if it's trying to communicate by saying I'm here or fucking with her. I was confused when it puts all her stuff back.

Yeah. Oh, like her books and. Yeah. Was that like I'm here or was that to fuck with you? I think to fuck with her. It scared her. She got a jolt out of it, right? I don't know if there's a reason that the ghost was doing it. I tell you the reason the filmmakers did it was because it was the first scene where the ghost did ghost stuff. And it wasn't just looking for flying around the house. I did think the one scene was stupid when it picked up that book. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler of alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. You would kind of forget that you're looking at it through the eyes of the ghost. Because there's so much family stuff going on. Yes, that makes sense. And then it's just a camera looking at them. Yeah, it doesn't really get involved until the end when you get introduced to the brother's friend, I guess, trying to he's trying to be friends with this kid for some reason being friends with this kid

I think he mentions is going to like up his social status or some somehow I don't know this kid seemed like a douche yeah well he sort of seemed nice at first yeah and then you find out a really dark fucking thing he wants to do that he has done before which is he was responsible for the death of the main the daughter's friend which I did not see coming. Yeah, I didn't see coming either. He likes to drug girls up and put

saran wrap over their face and have them suffocate and apparently does stuff to them also. That's why I gave a warning. There's themes of rape and suicide in this

movie and I just wanted people to just be forewarned. But that life's hard. Get a helmet. Yeah. That, that, that, that, uh, that twist came up and I, I didn't see it coming because, because he was already, I guess that was a little shocking, wasn't that? You could basically say he was already in there because they was already having sex.

Right. So when he, after they have sex and he goes and gets some juice and he's putting the drug in her juice, you're just kind of like, what the fuck was going on? that's what I was thinking because I was like didn't you guys like just have sex I know right why would you need to drug what are you drugging her for that was kind of weird

I mean I see why he gave Ambien to the to the brother right to get him out of the picture sounds like uh well maybe he gave him some Ambien but it sounds like it was fentanyl was what he was spike-o thing with yeah yeah yeah that's why the other girls died

yeah yeah But when all this stuff happens, that's when the ghost gets him or hands on, I guess you could say. Yeah. Because it knocks the juice off the table that have the drugs in it. When the son has that moment I brought up when he's just talking crazy, when the father should have did something, the ghost is the one that steps in and does something, tears up the son's room. Which I did like when they went up and saw the room being tore up by itself. that they didn't kind of like I don't know what I saw

it was a pretty angry ghost wasn't it guys it was pretty cut and dry with what they saw and they didn't really argue with what's what really going on that's always the stuff that gets me is like afterwards we're just going to clean slate our mind of that thing that just happened and then still not believe people about the ghosts

like come on we all saw what happened at some point yeah yeah But that scene where he went and tore, because it's the ghost of the son, who's just, time makes no sense to him anymore. So it's the ghost of him while he's still living. Interesting concept. And I think that the reason that he goes up and tears the shit out of his room is because

he's mad at himself for being a dickhead. Right. Like while he's telling that story about pranking the girl or whatever. and you don't really get a whole lot of details yeah you don't really get a whole lot of details about that either except that it sounds like he was being a total dick and uh and i i think that he was in this next life he was mad at himself for doing that

which is why he went and tore down all his trophies and shit off the wall yeah so i thought that was that was kind of a cool thing that i thought of after the reveal that he was the one that was dead. Yeah. Which. What a trip. Always listen to the medium when they come in and warn you. Because she didn't even want to walk into the house.

And then she came back on her own later to say. Yeah. Warn them about a window, stay away from a window in which the kids. a window that does not open or something. Yeah, which the kid that was killing the girls, drugging him. That's how him and the brother die because he stops him from hurting his sister

and they fall through the window. Finally had a heroic moment there at the end, huh? But like, even to set that shit up, by kids, we're going to leave you in this haunted house alone. What the fuck? That was another weird conversation because he was like don't have anybody over and she's like I won't he was like I doubt that

so you know they're gonna have somebody over he already knows yeah on top of that you already saw shit flying off the shelves are you just gonna dismiss this whole ghost thing is happening that's why the acting was so weird just the everything you just said Phil and then the fact that he knows that she's gonna have somebody over he just make smart choices the wrong ones will last.

Yeah. You'll have a, you'll have a nine months later, you'll you'll get a reminder. Well, and then you're not even, their kids are damn near grown, so you're not even, let them make their own mistakes at some time. He's not even talking to the asshole's son.

Because she's like, he's in the shower and she's just, I'll just let him know what she said. Yeah. Right. Like, no, I'm leaving my house to my grown kids. Right. We're going to establish some shit.

Yeah. That's going to happen. if I find out anything. Not just, I'll just pass the word on. I'm going to go to this business conference with your mom and our shady business practices or whatever's going on. I'm just, like, if I walked into a room in my house and shit was flying off the walls.

I know, you wouldn't leave your kids there alone, would you? I wouldn't, I wouldn't probably stay in the house anymore. No, sure. All right. All right. All right. And they went and got a motel. Yeah, I got some polter gas vibes there.

Yeah, I also got some, oh shit, what was the found footage movies for the ghost where they had the fan that was oscillating fan? Paranormal activity. Yeah. Yeah, there was a little paranormal activity feel to this. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, and it was very paranormal activity-e, but like without. the scares. Yes, no jump scares.

Gotcha. It was more subtle, right? Yeah, and it probably would have been a lot better had they gone the scarier route. Maybe not, maybe not. But had some actual terrifying ghost moments where it was just atmosphere, you know,

it doesn't have to be jump scares and all this other stuff. Yeah, now I'm thinking about it. They probably went this way because what we know now, the ghost, it was never there to hurt anybody. That's true. So if it had stuff where it was being malicious or evil or something, that would have not made sense.

Yeah, but even as you're going from the perspective of the ghost, well, I guess it's hard to be scary from the perspective of the ghost. Yeah. There could have been more situations where the ghost is trying to let them know there's something here. Yeah. Instead of doing shit. Like moving the books

when nobody's in the room. How about move the books when there's somebody in the room? Yeah. Well, they get to that. Like, you know, knocking down parts of a closet, shelves in a closet and shit like that. Well, they didn't even believe it was a,

I mean, she did, but the boy. Yeah. He was like. He was laughing about it. They didn't secure that show from those idiots. They didn't secure the shell. Bitch, you watched your shit flying across the room. Yeah, literally. But, you know, you take somebody out of their normal paradigm of life bubble,

and sometimes it is resisted very harshly. Yeah, and sometimes I get in these things where, like I said, wanted more from Lucy Lou. I kind of wanted more from the daughter because they kind of mentions her maybe being gifted. Yeah. Yeah. That was interesting. They didn't really go anywhere with that either, right? And I already said what I said about Lucy Lou's acting, but I felt that scene at the end when she saw her son's reflection in the mirror. Yeah, that was some grief for sure. I like that. Yeah. That was. That was a breakdown after her being so harsh, and I thought that that one...

Yeah, it gave her character more than what we got during the movie. It was like, oh, you actually do care. About her son. I don't know how much she cares about her daughter. Yeah, I mean, well, isn't that way. All right. Is that enough for this one? All right.

Well, as always, we want to thank you guys. for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. Pedro's got an idea for March Madness, guys. He wants to discuss it with us, so we'll see if we can set up a messaging with Pedro to see what he's got in mind. Or did we have something picked out for March Madness for this year? Do you guys recall? I don't think so, right?

I have no idea. I never know until we're about to do it. I think Pedro's got a pretty good idea. So we'll put it in motion, but you can reach us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com or just go to thehorrorer returns.com. And next week, it's, I don't know if this means Al is coming back, but we're doing. More final destination. With Final Destination 3 and the final destination, which obviously wasn't.

No, because there's five after. All right, Brian. Until the horror returns again. Good night. Pedro's got an idea for March Madness, guys. He wants to discuss it with us. So we'll see if we can set up a messaging with Pedro to see what he's got in mind. Or did we have something picked out for March Madness for this year?

Do you guys recall? I don't think so, right? I have no idea. I never know until we're about to do it. I think Pedro's got a pretty good idea. So we'll put it in motion, but you can reach us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com or just go to thehorroriturns.com. And next week, I don't know if this means Al is coming back, but we're doing more final destination. With Final Destination 3 and the final destination, which obviously wasn't.

No, because there's five after. Sure. All right, Brian. Until the horror returns again. Good night.