The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #456: The Howling (1981) & Howling II: Your Sister Is A Werewolf (1985)

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

We get wolfy yet again this week with the beginning of our Howling retrospective. Cool of the week includes Surviving Black Hawk Down, The Gorge, Dark Match, and Severance. Trailers are Friendship and Freaky Tales. The podcast spotlight shines on The Splattercast. And we get feedback from Branden Morgan, Kate Pollock, Glenn Cougar Mellenbrewer, Madison Estes, James Bod, Mouths of Madness, Anthony Cadiz, Andrew Rutherford, and Josh Miller. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Hi, this is Dee Wallace from E.T. and Kujo and the howling, and you're listening to The Horror Returns. Greetings, victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome, you have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome to Ben's neighbors and constituents to the horror returns. I am Lance. With me as always.

I got my co-host, Philip. And Brian and Steve. What's going on, guys? So we got to make sure we include the constituents. Yeah, you don't get that guess stamp no more. Yeah, I noticed that this time around. Yeah, that's gone, baby. You're part of the team now.

Where the fuck is Naz? God damn, and I fucking messaged him. I said, Naz, one of these trailers made me think of him immediately. not just the Oakland connection but for other reasons. Ness at this time of the day is probably at work. I'm sure he's hard at work trying to keep airplanes from flipping upside down

and all that other good stuff. I don't think he's responsible for anything. All right. At least he doesn't claim any responsibility. I haven't seen any bullshit going on with the airline he works for. I'm just saying. That's a good point. Good point.

Good point. How are you guys doing tonight? Anybody got any stories? Families getting over being sick. Yeah, man. I didn't know we were supposed to have stories. Threw my back out. That was fun. Yeah, that's not fun. Hold on. Dog, dog barking. I'll be right back. You get us talking. Yeah, I didn't know we were doing story time. Yeah, I came ill-prepared. My wife is...

asked me today earlier. She's like, do you need to get anything ready? I'm like, no, I'm just, I watched the movies, I must show up and talk about them. I know. I can't ever remember a damn cool of the week. But I actually do remember mine this week. It's not, I had to. Let's jump right into it then. Not horror-related at all, but I watched the Black Hawk Down thing on Netflix. Is that like a documentary? Yeah, it's like a documentary thing. And so it's got like some of the Rangers and Delta guys that were actually there. And then they also interview a bunch of like the Somali people that were actually there.

Oh. And they sort of give both sides of the insanity. And it was pretty great. Like I was very, very impressed with it. Okay. It's on Netflix. What's it called? Yeah.

Surviving Black Hawk Down, I think. Okay. Surviving Black Hawk Down. Yeah. And it looks like the movie was pretty. pretty true to the story. But yeah, this is like the real story.

That movie holds up. Yeah, for sure. It's a good movie. Crazy shit going down. And it sort of gives you the whole story behind it. Like, why the entire fucking city was attacking these guys. Yeah. Fun stuff.

Okay. Nice. Steve? Uh, well, I watched the finale. of Coburkeye. I finished up the final of that. And I got to say, I'm a little mixed on it. On one hand, I feel like they had some missed opportunities in the tournament aspect, especially with some of the side characters, just basically not having any role at all in the second half of that last season.

but the way that they wrap up and give closure to the John crease in Silver storyline is like the best thing I've ever seen it's so good because those two characters are so over the top that that how they wrap up shit with them it's it's just like bravo like it's so good producers had said that was the most outrageous way they can come up with it was so good and the line drop at the end it was straight out of the 80s movie dog it was just like oh yes it was so good and it was some mixed them there was some emotions like johnny lawrence and john crease had a scene that was very emotional yeah he was like holy shit like it was really good and then there was this awesome scene with miguel walking out with some with some like i mean there's there's some shots that are just, you're just like clapping. I was just like yelling at the screen. So good. Loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it.

But there was some missed opportunities. But that's not my cool of the week. My cool the week has to go to the Apple original movie, The Gorge that just dropped. I've watched it twice before dropped. Oh, is that the one with the... Miles Teller, Anya Taylor, Joy. Scorney Weaver.

Anya Taylor is looking gorgeous. Yeah. Sigourney Weaver is chewing it up as a bad guy. movie For what little bit she's in, right? Yeah, this movie gives me faith in movies again. Like, this movie felt so

fresh and so good. And I just, it just, the pace was perfect. Trent Resner killing it with the fucking soundtrack. And there's a song that they play in the trailer and is in the specific scene of the movie where they're dancing. That song has been on a repeated loop in the house.

It is, uh, the gorge is everything right now. The gorge is very easily my cool of the week. High, high, I recommend. So, question, was it based on a video game? Because it looks very, very video game. No. As far as I can tell, it's an original concept.

And I don't want to give too much away. But if you guys watch the trailers, you do know that at a certain point, our two main characters do end up in the gorge. And I'll just say that the shit that happens in there, the shit you see in there is like, you know, what the who? even comes up with shit. That's pretty awesome, dude. Yeah. And then and then the fact that they're able to explain it and you're like, oh yeah, all this makes sense. Perfectly, perfectly, buy it. I buy all the. Yeah, the different technologies and the different decades and it was cool,

dude. I enjoyed it too, man. It was so much better than I thought it was going to do. Scott Derrickson, they're like, make a love story. He's like, okay, but I'm going to have some fucking crazy monsters in this shit like all right yeah it's very very great special effects i love the i don't want to give too much away maybe i shouldn't say it i i just love the way the the creatures were like DNA spliced with animals plants humans and it was it was very interesting phil the skull spiders rule oh that sounds cool i didn't know that movie was out yet i'm going to have to check it out yeah it's really really good so you got to man highly recommend the gorge that is my cool of the week is that yours too Brian?

Well, it would have been, but I don't want to have the same thing. But it is 100% of recommendation. I thought Miles Teller and Anya Taylor Faris was great in it. Scott Derrickson did an awesome job. The movie, to me, is reminiscent of that movie Annihilation with the creatures. Yes. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, that's...

That's what I was thinking of when you were saying it. Yeah. But I have to... Let me do my non-cool to week. week. It's not horror related. The fucking NBA All-Star game. What a piece of garbage

they did this year. I haven't seen that in 20 years, dude. Well, you probably won't watch another, no, they did a new format. They made four teams. What? And they did a tournament style where they played the first one to 40

to get the players to play the game, be more serious. about it so they had the the the rookie team the rising stars the international team and then the what they called the oh gs which was like LeBron and Steph when it got to the OG game they still played the game like they didn't give a shit they were shooting half of the great season nonchalantly running up and down the court the only ones who played the their hardest was like the rookies which they didn't win sense yeah But at least they gave you a show, right?

Yeah, it was complete garbage. I hope they don't do this format next year. But then over at the NHL All-Star game, they started up the Canada versus United States with three fights in the first nine seconds. Yeah. See, that's what the NBA All-Star game needs. They need three fights in the first five seconds.

That's because they were playing the Canadians. they booed the national anthem. All right. Let's move on. Let's move on. All right. Next. Since it's not the gorge, I'll have to go with a new shutter movie.

I think it came out a couple weeks ago. Dark match. Dark match. Oh, yeah. I've heard a lot about this. I saw that. I saw that on the app. I've heard a lot about this.

Yeah. It's pretty decent. It's got some good gore. It's shot well. I don't recognize anybody except for a Stephen Og He's one of those guys Like if you see his face he's like I've seen him

And a bunch of things And Chris Jericho's in it Of course Of course And it is basically A independent group of wrestlers They have their own little promotion They get a gig in a town

That they never heard of That's far away They drive there Town is real sketchy Everybody's real sketchy And they're trying to figure out Why they paid someone much money for their little independent group to come wrestle for them. And when the match starts,

then the craziness starts. And it's revealed why the town's all weird and crazy. So, pretty green room, but wrestling. Yeah. I might watch that tonight when we're done recording. That's one that's been on my to watch list. So that's a 2025 release, Brian? I think it came out last year, but I think it got released on Shudder. Okay. So I would count it. Okay. Dark match.

I do want to see it. So watch dark match, watch the gorge. Just stop having the NBA All-Star game. It's like the NFL Pro Bowl. Just stop. I can't remember the last time I watched the Pro Bowl. I don't give a shit at all. You guys remember the dude that injured himself and a flag football?

ball game several years back from the Pro Bowl. Good Lord. Probably. Nothing about the Gorge. Only PG-13, but does not hinder this one. It doesn't feel like PG-13. I could have sworn. Are you sure it was PG-13? Well, I think about it. There's not a lot of blood. They're not any real cussing. There's not any boobs. It's pretty much all the markers for not having a rated hour. Look at kids. Kids can watch it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They'll love it. They'll love it. It's Everybody in the family will love that one.

It's really good. All right. So if you guys, you guys ever, like, gone to your day job or gone to work and wish that you could fall asleep the minute you walk into the office and then, like,

magically be woken up when you come out of the office and live your regular life back at home again? You guys ever thought about that? Yeah. Except in my luck, I would be, like, the work life. I would get that straw. I'm like, fuck, bro.

That's the dark. That's the dark in day. That's the dark half of this show. Have you guys ever heard of severance? Yes. Okay. That's my cool of the week. Severance is in its second season now.

And I hope it doesn't go too far off the reservation where it gets like too much into the territory of like lost. But they are definitely opening up some weird portals for us to go. explore. But basically the premise of the film is you've got people, they're called the outies, right? And they're the people who live their life on the outside. And then once they come into work, they go into an elevator. And the elevator, like, puts you to sleep. And then you wake up and you're a different person, but you're having to work your nine to five job in an office. And those are the people that are called the innings, right? Because they're

inside the office. I was hoping that's what they were called. It's kind of interesting. It's kind of interesting because the way it's filmed, it's kind of like a dark comedy, but it's, it's hard, it's hard to describe. And I think that's what I like about it. It's part sci-fi, part comedy, and kind of part horror a little bit. But it's very interesting the way that these people that are the NEs start to kind of revolt and figure out ways to, to go and take over the lives of their outies for a short amount of time, and then they're back in again. And then the way the company treats them is just so subversive. So I don't want to say too much about it because the first season and the second season

are totally different. You start getting like really weird storylines in season two. But so far I'm in. Have you guys checked out any of the episodes yet? I would do that, man. If there was like a way of the day, somebody was like, seriously, like you could take this pill and you will go to sleep. And then you will do all of your work.

And you'll do a great job. And they do a great job. And then you'll wake up. So like you just will never be at work, but you'll still be at work. I'd be like, yes. That's the premise. Sign me up yesterday. That's the premise.

Sign me up. Only problem is there's a dark side to it. Well, I know. My person that was work, would be working would be pissed. Oh, yes, they are. Yes, they are. He'd be fed up with this shit, bro. So that's it.

My Cool of the Week severance, I don't want to say too much because it goes in some weird directions, especially in this second season. But, you know, Apple TV Plus, if you got it, check it out. We're talking Apple tonight with all of your artwork and stuff, Steve. Before we hang out of get out of Cool of the Week, tell us a little bit about how you make those t-shirts happen, brother. What's the magic? What do you use? What are your toys to create this artwork?

Everything I do for you guys is all done on the magic. of my iPad. As a hobby artist, I don't have the tools of the fucking, you know, of all the big studios, but I have my imagination and an Apple pencil. So in conjunction with the continuing of Apple, sponsoring this episode, yes, all the artwork comes to via Apple products. Something else that came out on Apple that I forgot I mentioned was Silo Season 2. I finally watched all of that.

So good. It is good. Have you guys seen Silo? I am watching Silo, too. Yes, I'm watching. I want to. I'm a fan of Rebecca Ferguson. That show is, I could not get into the books.

The books, the books board me to fucking tears. The books bored me to tears. But my wife loves the book. She says the books are great. I really liked season two. I thought Steve Zon's character was phenomenal. So she, she's good in it. Common is really good in it.

Mm-hmm. You know, he's. He's probably got a great role. Yeah, Tim Robbins is good. He's kind of like the... Who would you compare Tim Robbins to? It's kind of hard to say, right? He's always just like...

He's always just, like... He's always just... He's definitely his own little guy, man. He's weird. All right. It's a great show. It is a great show. Okay, so that's cool of the week.

So, Brian, do we have any horror headlines? Barely. Nothing really new came out this week. As you will see when we get to trailer park, I had to change it up a little bit for trailer park. Okay. But we got, are you guys familiar with the,

I think this was a DC black label, horror comic called Basketful of Heads? I've heard of them, but I'm not familiar with it. After my time. Well, they're doing a, I don't know if it's a series or a film adaptation, and Natasha Leon is going to star and produce it. She's good.

Anna, Lily Apore, I think she's the director of that Iranian vampire movie. A girl walks home at Night Alone. Yeah, she's directing. Okay. Very cool. Although the movie she did with Mamoa and it wasn't very good. Which one was that? The one with the Bad Batch.

The Smiley Face. Yeah, the Bad Batch. I know. I don't have Jim Carrey in it too? Yeah, Jim Carrey was like a hermit and Keanu who had like a porn stash. That was not a movie. That was like, that reminded me of Southland Tales. But like, I actually like Southland Tales more.

But like just weird, just off the wall. But Southland Tales was like that. But when that Justin Timberlake scene happens, that makes up for the whole movie. It's a pretty bad ass. That's a pretty bad ass scene. Have you guys seen? a shark movie called the Black Demon? I have actually, yes.

It wasn't good. So you're probably not excited for the sequel. No. Oh, no. Boy. It was just bad CGI. Atlantis. We're going to pit giant sea monsters against each other in this one.

So they're going to find Atlantis and then like crazy shit's going to happen? Like this is why we should never have come here. Ouch. Just watch the Meg and the Meg, too. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I don't know. I'm happy about Atlantis monsters. I'll totally watch that.

Phil, it'll probably make us watch it. It'll probably just be Atlantis in the name. I know. Shark movies are weird. I saw this shark movie the other day. It was called like In Too Deep or Too Deep or something. It had Richard Dreyfus and fucking Stuart Townsend.

Like, it had some. names. But it was hot garbage. Like the scenes of the fucking shark eating was like an actual like stock footage shot of like a shark eating meat. I'm like what the fuck?

You can't do that can you? I guess you can. You can put that shit out. Make money. Why not? I'm putting it on the list. Uh-oh. You got to get the actual name. I'll look it up.

Anybody interested in the Nospheratu extended cut, it will be on Peacock this Friday. No. I still haven't seen the original. I don't know that I need, like, extra footage of it. Maybe I don't like it as much as I thought I did. It's just going to be extra close-ups of Lily Rose Depp. It's called Into the Deep.

Into the Deep. Into the Deep. It's a 2025 movie. It just dropped. No. Are you serious? Then maybe I will have to watch it. God damn it.

Fuck you, Steve. God damn it. So these group of tourists gets kidnapped by a cartel and made to dive to get these drugs that are down to the bottom of the ocean. And that's what a shark's are. Oh, my God. And it is on prime for rental. If I can't find it out there free, I'm not going to watch it. It's out there.

It's out there in HD. And that shit loads quick. Yeah. Well, it better. It better be out there on my free source. Or they could be heroin sharks, but that probably wouldn't be as exciting. You know what? I bet that one loads quick because the ones you really want to watch.

Right? Maybe buffering or like the server doesn't work right. You're constantly like, what the fuck? But then some of them like, damn, that worked quick. Like they want this to be pirated. It's not available on my free source. So I'll watch it one day, maybe. Oh, here it is with one star.

Yeah, it's two stars. Wow. 1.5 stars. Richard Dreyfus looks like, it looks like somebody wearing a Richard Dreyfus suit. Is he even alive? Walking around. Was that just CGI like Star Wars thing? They can't afford CGI.

You should look at the fucking sharks on this. Why don't he do this movie? I'm out. I mean, it was funny when he showed up in Piranha 3. I guess. Yeah, but that movie, there's something special about those parole movies. Those are fun. They have a certain campiness to them that allows them to have those people.

This movie wanted and thought it was like doing some serious shit. Oh, Piranha 3D has the three B's, blood, boobs, and bees. That's true. I mean, the sequel was Prana 3 Double D. Do you remember the trailer? It was just like titty's bouncing. It kind of reminds me of the... It was just close up on that.

The end credits of a... Fowling 2. Greatest end credits ever. We'll get into that. We'll get into that. I was like, we're just going to keep doing it? All right. Well, I guess I'll just keep watching.

It was on time. It was on the beat with the music. It was on time. I was like, oh. And then the Googling. eyes of different people between the I lick his lips at the end he's like oh yeah

okay let's see Takashi Yamazaki probably pronounced his name wrong the director of Godzilla minus one is currently writing this script for the sequel and they will have a bigger budget for the sequel I'm all in I loved it

I loved it Brian you weren't as excited as I was I thought it was it's definitely a better Godzilla movie than Godzilla Kong. I just had more fun. Okay. Yeah, it's fair. It's like a serious Godzilla movie.

It's not nearly as fun as Godzilla versus Kong. You know, there's no giant monkeys throwing other giant monkeys at each other. But, like, I loved when, like, Godzilla was small, kind of. Like, kind of like a dinosaur from Jurassic Park almost, rather than, the big kaiju that he turns into when he attacks that first base i thought that's what we were getting for a while i was like oh that's scary looking but um i actually i really like that movie i thought the storyline with the human character i thought that it a lot of it didn't have anything to do with godzilla but i didn't feel like it it ever lingered too long so that never

took me out like and that fucking goddamn one with cranston in in the brother and sister that were God. You know, brother and sister and Avengers, and then they were married in this one. They was too close. They came out too close together for that to work. You know what I mean? It was like in between Avengers movies.

Creeply. Super creepy. Wait a minute. That's weird. Super creepy. But that movie, like, that movie was anti-Godzilla. Every time it was about to show you Godzilla,

it cut to somebody else talking about something that didn't end end in doing Godzilla. I'm like, fuck this movie. But I don't know. I didn't think that human in Godzilla minus one story wasn't too distracted. It was for me. I didn't give a shit. I wanted more Dan Stevens.

And we're getting more Dan Stevens in the sequel. Yes. Good. It should just be Dan Stevens hanging out with King Kong running around doing shit. The event was a comedy. If Dan Stevens doesn't have 10 rolls this year, something's wrong. he needs to fire his agent because with the great shit he gave us

last year including the piccolo we got to have more He got to have more than you know I rewatch Cuckoo He plays the pickle like twice In the entire movie It's not like he just Entered every scene with a piccolo

Playing That's his thing It's a weird guy All right I'm looking at the news There's nothing All right Steve you're ready to head on down to the trailer park With your boys, yeah

Let's go All right Brian is going to bring us the big the small And sometimes the very very weird What is our first new trailer tonight, Brian? Like I said, Little something different for trailer park this week No new horror trailers Well, is

Yeah, they're horror adjacent distant cousins of horror. The first one we got is Freaky Tales, a new crime comedy drama with the dual directors Anna Baudin and Ryan Fleck

that stars Pedro Pascal. It says Tom Hanks. I didn't see him. It would be awesome to see him in some weird fucking role, you know? He probably was in the trail. He's probably just in makeup or something I didn't realize I need to go back and look

for him because I didn't even think of that name Angus Cloud which I believe this is the final movie he filmed And oh yeah I was wondering And I was like Wasn't that guy dead like three That's what I thought too

And then I was like maybe I gotta stop thinking people I kind of quit wishing death on people And shit Annabelle right Yeah no Abigail This movie sold me looking through the cast list. Too short is in this movie

playing a cop. I love it. Yeah, Brian, I didn't know this. It was even a movie. But the amount of, fucking, the year it takes place in, the video, the amount of coverage video stores

get in this trailer alone, I was like, Oh, it had you. It had you. This is barking up my tree. I think this trailer looks fucking awesome. And just with the soundtrack, man. Mm-hmm.

That was pretty cool. Everything was all synth wave. Yeah. I do have a feeling you're not going to get a lot of Pedro Pascal in a movie. Well, it seems to me like it's going to be told a non-linear storyline. Like, it's going to be bouncing around. It looked like a trailer opened up with somebody with a gun to his head. So it looks like we're going to have one of those John Travolta get shot in the bathtub,

and then he's still in the next 45 minutes of the movie. I got you. Is this something he filmed, like, on a weekend? when he wasn't filming any of his big franchises. Could be. I know, it feels like some of these guys ain't letting nobody else eat. I'm like, Dan, Pedro. You got this?

You got The Last of Us? You got Fantastic Four? You got what else got? What did she got cooking? I know. I know. Yes, it is Tom Hanks. That Tom Hanks.

He plays Hank the video store owner. Well, there you are. Makes sense. Interesting. All right. This comes out. Probably should have had all this pulled up. This comes out this year.

I'll have to say that. Okay. Nice. That looks pretty good. I like it. Now on to our second and final trailer. According to this trailer, this is the comedy hit of the year. But this felt very horror-ish.

Yeah. I agree. The way it built up. It just started getting darker and darker, and the music was hitting. Yeah. And it just kept popping up.

Next comedy hit. I know. Over and over. Biggest comedy of the year. Funniest movie ever. And that is friendship. What a hell and hit your heart out? It's friendship

starring Paul Rudd and Tim Robinson and Cape Mar. They're definitely misleading us. This is not a comedy. This is not, I love you, man. Right. I promise you. Do you think that the story stays true to the trailer, or is the trailer just completely misleading?

I think it's going to be super sinister. I think there's something really fucking weird going on here. And it is an A-24 movie. So they're known for pulling weird side gags on this. I'm looking at I'm excited. I'm fucking. IMDB, it's not labeled as anything other than a comedy, not comedy drama. It looks dark. It looks dry and, you know, super, I believe it is going to be a comedy,

but it's going to be one of those super dark black comedies, you know, just, you're just like uncomfortable to laugh. Like some shit's going to be genuinely hilarious. And then there's going to be other times where you know the movie wants you to laugh, but you don't feel right laughing. I get the feeling that this movie could have been called the Steppford bros. And we'll see if my theory plays out or not. I see what you're doing. There's something going on. There's something in the background going on here.

I feel like just that song and dance number in the trailer just was like, this guy is just overwhelmed with like, holy shit, I can have real friends and be like the real. And then to realize like, yeah, but we don't. I like how he goes into those fantasies. of him and Paul Rudd driving in a Corvette. Just laughing with sodas. Is that a fantasy or is that a thing that happens? But I'm over here like, you're going to find out.

You're married to Kate Mara. Why don't you just shut up about all this? Yeah, no kidding. Go home. Have you seen a shooter? Have you seen a shooter? Go home, dog. You got Kate Mara at home.

All right. This is going to be a big A-24. year for Paul Rudd because he's got this and he's got the Death of a Unicorn. Oh, wow. Holy shit. Okay. Death of Unicorn was really fun to. By the way. Yeah.

More Jenna Ortega and Skinny Plemmons. I think he's also in the Anaconda remake, didn't he? Yeah. They keep him and Jack Black keep posting these little announcement videos. They just posted one a couple weeks

ago with the revealing the cast for. they're building the hype man they better they got to deliver the goods you can't be building the right but you can't deliver the goods oh yeah they look like they're having a blast of course we're all in but it doesn't mean it's going to be good but you know but i mean to take it the the comedy route i like it's already with the cast announced because it has dandy newton in it i like thandy newton from west world but the cast announced it's already better than the Anaconda sequels Well none of the Anaconda movies were good Not even the first one was good

They don't have a huge bar to clear I just but like That's true that's true That's what's gonna make it awesome It could be better than all those Anaconda movies And still not be a good movie Well yeah But that's a success

All right friendship comes out March 9 Right around my birthday Nice. Okay. That's it. All right. I guess that's my cue here. We've got some listener feedback. This week we shine the podcast spotlight on the Splattercast YouTube channel. Good evening campers, dreamers, and babysitters.

And welcome to Splattercast, hosted by the diabolical duo of Dylan Newell and Luke Genisko. We got an email. Oh, so check out the splattercast. Sounds awesome. And we got an email. It says, Hey, Horror Returns team. Couldn't help but feel a chill run down my spine as I immersed myself in your latest episode. The juxtaposition of Get Away alongside Goosebump's discussion perfectly highlighted the evolving face of horror.

It immediately made me think of Brandon Morgan, renowned for weaving eerie narratives and the devil within. His expertise in true crime and supernatural mysteries would resonate with your audience's love for all things horror. Diving into topics like the satanic elements in the Jersey Devil, Brandon could bring a unique twist to your show. Would you be open to featuring it? Yes. I'm doing an interview tomorrow. Philip, you're in with me, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll be there. Anything with the Jersey Devil, Cryptozoology, anything with that should I love. We need to do more interviews again. Last year we were down on that, but before that we did a lot more. So folks, don't forget, we literally interviewed Art the Clown before he was a huge house old name. So let's get those interviews going, right? Yeah, it's fun. I love that one like you've been doing it for so long and people forget what you've.

Yeah. And somebody go, you guys should review exists for 31 days. I'm like, man, like we got a. screener for that and interviewed the director a long time ago one of our first big interviews was Dee Wallace I remember that I remember that yeah

I was gonna say run to the show but yeah man we'd be happy to talk to him thanks Bannon and we got Kate Pollock says I love Final Destination and Glenn Cougar Melley

and Brewer says that's because you have good taste in movies. Okay. That's the final destination. Yeah, the final destination was not my favorite, Kate. Sorry. Yeah. Which one was the easy? The one with all the water kills in it.

So the 3D. The racetrack one. Yeah. So you guys watched all the series. You did the whole retrospective, right, of all those seven destinations? We're going to do the fifth one. with the new one when it comes out. So what is your guys' favorite death so far,

or whatever, from all the movies? The Fall of Glass, the Plate of Glass. Oh, that was a pretty good one. That splats the little kid in Part 2, I think. Yeah. Yeah, although I did love the gymnast. I think that one's going to be in five. That's my favorite.

What's the age of that kid's supposed to be? He's 2011. You know what I mean? He's smoking cigarettes. and making jokes about it. But his mom's taking him to the fucking dentist, so I don't know. And then he makes a joke about the dentist. If he molest me, we're not paying for it.

But then when he sees the birds, all of a sudden, he's like seven. He starts clapping his hands and stuff. I know. You don't know if he's going to carjack you or jump in a puddle. You know, I just don't know. I don't know what this guy. Somebody wrote that that didn't have children. The gymnast death is my favorite one.

Yeah, I think I might have to go with the gymnast death because they set up so many scenarios that you thought it was going to be, and then the final outcome is not what you thought it was going to be. Well, because even though that girl crumpled, that other girl still has a fucking rusty-ass air conditioner screw lodged in her foot, and I'm like, she's got shit to deal with too. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

I think the new movie is going to give us, like, way. over the top, Rube Goldberg shit, right? Because like the scene we saw with a tattoo artist, with the fucking nose piercing and all that bullshit, like all the weird shit happening, hopefully we'll get more of that,

right? I can only hope that that wasn't, you know, that was just a throwaway one that they gave us to wet our whistle. Well, there you go. The final destination, probably not the best one. But that is actually my least favorite. But me and my daughter did watch

five, and I'm not spoiling anything. It does bring it up from the fourth one. Nice. Okay. Okay. All right. And Peter Dinklage joining the cast of Dexter. Then we talk about it.

How will he fit into the plot? Where is he going to fit into the timeline? I can fit in anywhere. He's small. He's just going to have to jump. Pedro said like, he's a person. He'll just fit it in. That's what happens with people in the world.

They just exist, dog. I think it's fine. Madison Estes says, no way. I love him. Yeah, I think it'll be fun. It'll totally ruin when that one scene when Michael C. Hall was like, holy shit, I've never seen a midget before. You're like, wait.

But how? He said that in season two. I don't understand. Episode three. Okay. Let's see. In regards to class of 1999, James Bodd says,

Absolute utter cheese fist. What a laugh. Absolute, awesome, cheesy, fucking nostalgia fest Yeah, we've already watched that one this week also. Classic line James

Pam Greer comes out gets exposed as a robot and that one gang member is like Bionic Tettas I just love I love gangsters and punks from 80s movies. I'm just like I'm not intimidated by any of you.

You're not intimidated by the eyeliner. They're always so over the top. Come on, Jack. Just like, oh. We may see some on our movies tonight. I love it. I love it. In regards to the Street Trash Review,

mouths of madness says thanks for sharing. No problem. I love the name of that podcast. Yeah. In regards to The Exorcist, Anthony Cadiz says, the greatest ever made none compare. I agree.

None of the sequels. Yep, you and me both Philip. It's both our number one. Brian's is the thing. Steve, what's your number one horror movie at all the time? Ooh. Give me a minute. I'll have to try to cut it. That's a hard one. That is a hard one. Drawing it on.

Jaws, maybe. Yeah, Lance, first you want us to do story time in the beginning. Now you're trying to get top horrible I know. I know. I'm really. you're looking at his shelf. Yeah, I am. I'm looking all that.

I know I have it. I know I got it. The only thing is coming in my head right now is, I like Dream Warriors the most. That's a good one. That's a bad ass one. I really like Dream Warriors. Like, it's that,

you could stand that alone from all the other Freddie Kruger movies, and that is just a fucking perfect movie. I love everything, I still listen to that Docking song, bro. So, yeah, I love it. It. Great choice, dude. If that, if you stick with that, great. If you change your mind, let us know. All right. In regards to the serpent and the rainbow. That's a good one, too. That's a good one, too. Anthony Cadiz says highly underrated and forgotten movie.

I don't know if I've ever seen it. I've never forgotten it. West Graven. It's a good one. Yep. And there's a middoo shit. And there's a midget in it. There's a midget in it. I think there's more than one. How did he fit in the timeline? How do you, what's the term when there's multiple? Is it midi? The gift of the midi.

What's a flock of them called? A murder of midgets? That sounds terrifying. Let's see. In regards to Stranger Things Season 5, Andrew Rutherford says, so don't care. For real, these kids are all as fucking old as fuck now. They're going to be like, they're all still sophomores in high school.

Like, no, they're not. That one's married with children now. 38-year-old sophomore. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen an article. I forgot where they were asking, why do these streaming services take two to three years to put out seasons of a show? Mm-hmm. Good question.

I don't know, man. It doesn't make any sense. I mean, I guess they have a lot of production, and they're basically making one giant long movie. Well, we got... We also got fucked, right? We got 2020 which shut a million things down. And that 2020 isn't just 2020.

That's 2021 and most of 2022. And then you had the strike in Hollywood that went from 2023 and 2024. Yeah. So we're barely coming out of all. All of that shit. And finally, things are starting to get back into production. But now everybody's mad. So nobody wants to do anything.

It's hard getting anything done these days. All right. And Brian released a poll that says, What is Robert Eggers' best film? And The Witch is way out in front with 63%. We'll see what he does with his werewolf movie, though. Yeah. I'm excited about that.

I'm not. Josh Miller says, I haven't seen those far as to yet. So in order, so in order, well, it's already in order for me. Although I do wish the Northman got more love. It's pretty great. I keep getting roasted for not loving that movie, but I was just like when it was over, I was like, eh. I know, dude.

Like, it was the witch and then downhill from there for me. It was some of the visuals were cool, but, like, I didn't buy Ethan Hawke as a Viking for a second. And I'm like He's only in a movie for a second I know But he should have never made it that far He was a small man He would never last in Norse times

You know Like he's a little guy Ethan Hawke He's a little guy Are you saying he's a midget He didn't fit into the timeline This is what I'm saying We're going to have to delete this episode

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On to featured attractions. We're doing our howling retrospective. I don't know how many of them there are, but there was at least like six when I just... There's fucking a lot. There's a lot more than I thought there was. Yeah. Like, and I just picked this on a whim. You know, like, like Brian was like one day, he's like, what should our next retrospective

series be after Corn is done? And I'm like, I don't know. I like, wearwolves. Have you guys done the howling movies? He's like, no. I'm like, let's do that. But like, I don't even think about it. They're not good.

There's one. I'm not going to say which one. I can't wait until we get to it just to see Lance's review. I'm excited about tonight's review. I actually started digging around and watching the head a little bit on some of them that I didn't even recognize. Like I poked in a little bit on the Halling Reborn. No, I've seen Marsupials. But Reborn, the one that was in 2011.

I'm like, huh, let's take a look at this one. Fast forward a little bit just to see, boy, that is some fucking blue lens flare, fucking CW nonsense. Oh, boy. I'm like, oh, man, we are in for it. That's all right. Well, these were worth it. So sorry, Lance, I don't mean to bring more werewolf movies to you so quickly after the Wolfman. Hey, this is the year of the snake.

Fuck that shit. This is the year of the Werewolf so far. I was the same, man. We've watched a lot of Werewolf movies in the past few weeks. We'll start with the original, The Howling, from 1981. The Howling. Somewhere in the city. In this human

jungle, it begins. Just try. He's right there. What do you see? What's there, man? What do you see here? Somewhere in these woods, in this primal, sensuous, secret place, lies in experience to terror. After a bizarre and near-deadly encounter with a serial killer, a television newswoman is sent to a remote mountain resort whose residents may not be what they seem.

director is Joe Dante, also known for Gremlin's and Rock and Roll High School. Writers are John Sales, Gary Brantler, and Terry Winkless. The final transformation had to be done all in close up because the movie had exceeded its budget by then. And this had to be shot in Joe Dante's office because they had no money for sets anymore. Oh, wow. I'm kind of impressed to that actually Hell, yeah.

Steve, you're going to start us out on the howling? Yes, so let's not get it twisted. It's not a good movie. It's not well acted. It's not well edited. It's not well-paced. The music is fucking all over the place. Like, there's supposed to be ten scenes,

and there's some fucking weird bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bun. Weird, fucking bouncing music in the background. What the fuck is going on? I don't know. What does that? this movie's wants me to feel right now. Lots of boobs.

But the werewolf transformation that you just talked about in Joe Dante's office still to me sits as one of the best werewolf transformations. This is right up there with American Werewolf in London. This is top quality shit. This is good shit.

Same year, right? You can see the seams, but I love that. I love the creativity and just see all the practical work and knowing that how much work and craft and just care and love went into all that. Very cool werewolf design. So I really, I thought, at the end of the day, I think this is a really cool

werewolf movie. I don't think it's well executed and well done, but I think the werewolf parts are fucking awesome. I loved the creepy town in Northern California that they go hang out in and everybody's werewolves. I like that big, you know, we'll get into some details when everybody gets their piece in because I have some thoughts about, like, they kind of sealed their own fate, those dummies. But we, I actually had, I went into this thinking it was going to be a lot worse than it was.

It's been a long time since I've seen the howling in. I actually walked away kind of liking this one. And I didn't anyone's howling I thought was pretty good. All right. Brian, what do you think? Yeah, classic werewolf movie. Not my favorite, but everything with the werewolves. is spot on the transformation.

I like that when they attack somebody, they're just not attacking and biting and clon. They're like that one girl in the doctor's office, where we'll back hands are and throws her around the room. Like, they're more vicious than this one. Yeah, right. I thought the cast was great, Dee Wallace. We got other little bit parts from big names,

like Kevin McCarthy, John Carradine, Dick Miller shows up. Mm-hmm. And, yeah. I love the guy that just has the box of silver bullets. He said, hey, you want these? I can't fucking never came and picked him up.

That guy from Grumman's and everything. They were backwood. He backcordered him and never came and got him. I'm like, that was like thousands of dollars. Solid silver bullets. The guy shows up later and he drops what It looks like maybe 20, 30 bucks, and he tells him to bill me. Yeah.

He doesn't even know who you are. That's like a $17,000 bucks, a fucking bullets right there. And there's like four of them. You can't just go in there shooting really-nilly on a wind, you know. Yeah. And they seem to have an awful lot of them, though. Never trust anybody that says they have a place called the colony that you have fun at and relax. Like the prisoner.

We did the prisoner retrospective. Yeah. This gave me some prisoner vibes. I don't, but you guys all saw how it was when she first showed up to that place, and they were, like, playing their banjos and cooking weird rabbit stew and shit. You're like, I wouldn't have even stayed the night at this motherfucker. Yeah. I'm like, no, bro, I'm cool.

Well, see, I'm out of here. I'm good. They had that reaction because she even says, take me home. Yeah, that's true. That girl comes up to her husband. He knew he was going to get in, so he was like, no, you know, we should just stick it out. even the other way he was like oh she's a nympho he kind of blew her off though early you know well he's playing hard to get bro his wife was right there okay and that whole business in the cabin he was just like he was just cementing

that it was gonna happen when he walked away from then he's like you see him look her up or down before he walked away he's like got you and then he left i was like damn power what a pamp what a what a what's the first thing What's the first thing he does when he turns into a werewolf? He goes and fucks that girl. Yep. Well, wouldn't you? He's like, I got to now. In fairness.

I wasn't sure. And then that campfire scene happened and I was like, yep, sure now. And I thought the end scene was hilarious. The D. Wallace transformation scene. Into a chin chinchilla? What fuck was that? Well. She transformed into a.

She was a wear gerbil. Which is even worse in the next one. She looked like an E-WRour. A wearer. End credits on a burger being totally cooked wrong. Right. Yeah, I know. I was like, who the fuck cooks their burger like that?

And I know everybody notices it. I know everybody knows it, like, when that one part of the burger falls off. And then he, like, just kind of pushes it back in. I'm like, that ain't going to fucking do me. Kind of irritating. Yeah. Well, she did say rare. but he looked like he was cooking the fuck out of it, right?

Like, that wasn't rare. Rare, you just kind of... He broke it in half when he flipped it over. I know. Put a goober. Anyway. We're not taking the wrong parts. Yes, we are.

Yes, we are. It was a weird end credit scene, though. Lance, what do you think? Yeah, so, I mean, so my favorite werewolf movie of all time is, is, definitely American werewolf in London. Yeah, like that's an awesome one.

But watching this one for probably the fourth or fifth or sixth time, I've seen this movie quite a bit, actually. And I'm kind of thinking I might like this more. I really enjoyed this fucking movie. Should I had Tim Davis on here. He made a comment on the Facebook page. Did he?

Said American. American Werewolf in London is his all-time favorite and you can't change his mind. No, and I don't want to change anybody's mind. Yeah, that's a good movie. Yeah, that is probably still my favorite, honestly, because the transformation scenes

were amazing, for one thing, and then the story was good, but, I mean, this was a fun fucking movie, guys. I mean, you got the whole first 20 minutes, which is where Dee Wallace is meeting up with the serial killer, because she's a reporter, so it's her job to tell the story and, you know, bring the news, but it's not her job to necessarily get him arrested.

So she kind of goes in. It's also not her job to go meet a serial killer in a fucking dirty movie house. And that's what that's what was kind of. I know. That's weird about it. And then, like, he stands behind her and grabs her shoulder. I like, watch, watch it. I like, I like how they lose communication with her.

And they're just kind of like, well, that's it. Yeah. I'm not sure what we should do. Her husband's like, what the fuck? What do you mean? You lost communication. See if there's any units in the area. I was like, see if there's any, they weren't already there.

I know. What do you mean if? What are you talking about here? Guys, did I miss something in that opening scene? Because remember, they were watching a movie about a girl, like, being tied down and her shirt ripped off. Was that part of the werewolf cult? See, you paid attention more to that movie than this movie. I paid attention to know.

Maybe it was just random. Okay. Anyway, I was saying something about the girl in the video or how she lied. Oh, maybe you're right, because he is from the werewolf cult, so maybe he took that video. Because that was his video that he was making her watch. So maybe. Yeah, I mean, they could have gone a little bit more into that. That might have made more sense.

But, yes, once she was advised to go to the colony, it's like everybody, I love conspiracy theory movies, guys. Y'all know this. And once she was convinced by her psychiatrist to go to the colony and her husband was like, oh, it's cool. And she's like, I don't know about this. Can we turn around and go home? And while they're in the car, he's like, no, give it a chance. I'm like, okay, everybody's in on it, right? So it's like a rosemary's baby.

type thing. Yeah, and I was like, I was really fucking digging that. And then they got to the colony, you've got all these weird characters. They're like super cool, right? Like all these amazing, you know, like you said, the guy, you know, cooking the rabbits, the chick cooking the rabbit stew, and then the guy turning the meat on the spit over the fire, and they're all like on this, you know, we already know, northern California. It's the guy wearing the animal skins with the buck teeth whittling.

in the fucking banjo but a d'an-da-d-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. John Carradine was ready to end it. He was like, I can't take no more of this. He was. And they calmed him down. But then they calmed him down. He was like,

I loved all that. I loved all that. I think the werewolf story was like, like, spot on. When I was re-watching this, I was thinking, this may be my favorite werewolf movie of all time. And the, the transformations were good.

They weren't as good as, American Werewolf in London, but they were pretty damn good, man. You know what else? It has the setting, the proper setting. You need that forest setting. My favorite one-off movie of all-time, Dog Soldiers, has this. It's not the Pacific Northwest, but it is a forest setting. I feel like you need that.

And the husband walking around with his puffy vest, his blue puffy vest, and his yellow shirt and his tight jeans and his white sneaks. There's something about that fit with his haircut. And I'm like, ah, it's just nostalgia, man. This feels like a good one. werewolf movie when I see that fit. Yeah. Some of the photography, right, where you

would see the trees and the fog through the trees. And it just, it all tied into the werewolf mythos to me perfectly. And then I had no... Speaking on that, I liked that we were learning about it as those two were investigating. We were learning with them.

They were calling out everything that would come into play later, like dismembering the werewolf and then they would regenerate body parts back. Yeah. Oh, the friends, the friends that got called in the middle of the night and they were like, what? Your husband just got attacked by a wolf? What the fuck? Okay, I guess, yeah. That guy is a horrible husband. Yeah, he's like, yeah, you head up there now and I'll hang out here for a bit and then I'll follow him. What do you mean? Because they're investigating wherewolf, wherewolves probably do exist, and then their friend gets called. They get called.

Yeah, because they're also reporters, right? It's L.A. It's a six-hour drive But you go ahead and go first Like damn like gas prices were great back then I mean they got to You got to read the signs I mean they were even watching a wolf cartoon When it was going on

Oh I love that All the signs were pointing out The werewolves may exist Yep I'm not I'm not gonna send my wife up there by herself And then go to the office They tied that in And they were watching the original Universal Wolfman

movie at certain parts and yeah i just think it was a masterful film i really enjoyed this he cares not at all about his wife like yeah he goes back to the fucking station to film d wallace's confession like his wife is dead he hasn't even like processed it he has i guess he doesn't know maybe he told she told him where is uh such and such and she's like oh he's dead and they he had no reaction to it. He's like, just like, let's go. We got to get back to the station. He didn't like her any.

I was planning on, I was going to ask her for divorce. Anyways, be honest, it's kind of tidy shit up for me. It's got to work. It's got to work, right? You got that scene when the phone's ringing, and he's like, oh, I'll get it. And he's like sliding her out the bed. Yeah. That's right.

Get out of here. Go out. Don't you have somewhere to be? God, damn. now he gets the insurance payments what do you think philip i enjoyed this quite a bit uh yeah i actually had a pretty good time with it too i so i watched the howling two first um because uh i found i found that one on toby and then uh and then had to go track this one down uh so after the ridiculousness that is the howling two i was like oh this one's like kind of a legit movie

And it kind of is, man. I thought it was pretty good. I had a really good time with it. I like the design of the werewolves. The ears were a little much, maybe, but I thought it looked good, man. I thought I liked the transformation scene. Obviously not as good as American Werewolf in London, but, I mean, that's the best one. Real quick, as we're talking about the howling, I think NECA just announced that they're doing a figure of the wolf.

Oh, cool. Okay. Sideshow Collectibles has a quarter-scale statue, too, that is incredible. And another thing, do you think this is where Werewolves was trying to go for with the look? I think so. Yeah. Sorry, I know. I know.

Yeah. I don't know what the fuck Werewolves going for with the look. I hate that movie. That's kind of what it's all about is the design. and I think they had a pretty good design on this one. Did you watch that yet? Menacing. Werewolves? Yeah. I mean, no. Brian.

Yeah. Oh, okay. I didn't hear you finally. It's exactly what you guys said. You and Phil's review on werewolves is probably one of my favorite reviews ever. That was a good one. I was so mad at that movie. It was so much work to get to a theater that was even showing it. And then to leave and be like, for that?

And even though I sat and listened to all the spoilers, when that little girl was like, yeah. It was just terrible. That's funny. Like I face palmed in the theater when that happened. You weren't the only one. No, but yeah, but I had a really good time with this one. It's one, this one I think I've seen before, but I haven't ever seen any of the sequels until now. So this should be an exciting journey.

But we're off to a great start. I had a really good time with it. I love the old school effect. You know, before CGI, when you couldn't do that, you'd actually have to draw, animate over the top of the film cells. 1989's Batman has a great scene of that where the Batman turns around in the opening and you see his cape kind of flow. That's all hand drawn over the film cell. not a real person. And in this one, when the two worlds are fucking at the campsite,

and it goes back and you see it in silhouette, and he's like, oh, like, it's all drawn. It's all hand. I was like, damn, man. It was a sponsor, right? Somebody got called up and was like, all right, I got a job for you. Now, hear me out. I need you to draw something. Hear me out.

They're going to be two wolves fucking. Now, wait, wait. Don't hang up. So good. The conversations that must have gone on. To get these movies made. Like, it just, I just, I wish I could have been a fly on the wall. Like, the people, the productions should have been, could have, would have been so much chaos.

You know, they ran out of budget and at a time. They ran out of money and nowhere to film their shit. But it worked. But they were also passionate about it, you know. Yeah. To rock that transformation scene when your budget's already dead is pretty awesome. I liked when you saw him at the end after he got the acid thrown on him or whatever and he's walking around and like half his fucking faces off. Like some of that's making effects are great.

Yeah, that was pretty good actually. That's a good idea. He gives the guy the gun. He's like, here. And then he immediately gets shot with silver bullet. I'm like, man, that was a bad decision. The worst fucking thing. You would have think you would have like smell.

belt it or something holding that gun like ah was it just me or did he have unlimited silver bullets yeah it's limited and it didn't matter where you shot him it was like you could graze him dead you know you could hit him in the tummy dead so i guess a lot of wolves in this motherfucker too well and then he's like there's like six of them and they're all like bra you know they're doing the thing where they just growl and like show their teeth and then he like points the gun and they all back up like like this like and they all back up like ah and then they shut the doors on them and then they're like

ah let me out I'm like well why'd you back up to begin with if you didn't you were already outside you put yourselves there like and I glided on fire and they're like oh no or we're burning in the fire I'm like but you did it

like you you you made yourselves go into the burning building of straw and wood uh so Like the big bad wolf. Yeah. Yep.

So I was thinking. But then, yeah, you get the great scene at the end when Dee Wallace goes to the thing. And she's like, she starts transforming and everyone's like, oh, no, they're all shocked. I was like, cut the camera, cut it. And when it finally cuts back to her face. And it's quite obviously like a very small miniature that they've done a massive close up on. because, like, I don't even know. It just looks so weird.

It just looks like a stuffed animal, like, being turned to look towards the camera. Silly shit. And then they shot her live on camera. Dead. Yeah. Well, it seems like if she could have controlled it. I like that old guy at the bar, too. He's like, nope, that's real.

There was a werewolf. And they shot her. All right, Jim. I forgot about that guy. And credits All right What's your score on it Steve I'm gonna give the howling

On the howling scale Like this is the best howling movie I'm gonna tell you that right now off the top This is gonna be the best made house Better than the marsupials Yes this is better than the fucking one that takes place in Australia Yes I'm curious about that I'm gonna give

I'm gonna give this an eight on 10 Howley the original All right. Brian? I got a prices right at eight and a half. Oh, how good. Nice. Wow.

Lance? Eight on ten. Eight on ten. This is my second favorite werewolf movie. Nice. Yeah, I'm going to go eight also. I think it's a classic. I think this one is actually a legitimately good movie.

Like the rest of them seem to go into very insane places, and this one is just. just fun. But some of them might shock and like amaze you at the crazy places it goes which may help the rating. You know it wasn't great but like it went fucking

right. Real quick, how do you guys feel about the last thing I heard was Andy Mooshetti who did the newer it movies was going to direct a new howling movie. For Netflix I mean. I'm all for it. Yeah, I'm all for it. Except that

He's got to do Batman and he's got to do something. I know. He's not doing Batman. He's not going to do Batman. I actually really, well, I loved his It movies, but I did not like the Flash. So, you know, and he said some weird shit about the Flash. People don't like The Flash. I'm like, ooh, you can't say that, bro.

People do like The Flash a lot. There's 10 seasons of a CW show that were already about that. Yeah, that's true. I didn't hate the movie, The Flash. I didn't hate it, but it wasn't. It wasn't. good. Yeah, it wasn't awesome. But yeah, I think I'm going to agree.

Eight on ten. All right. On to the next one. We've got Howling 2. Your sister is a werewolf. It's the rocking, shocking, shocking, new way of horror. Howling 2. They say the thing in the movie. Many times. Several times. From 1985.

A man discovers that his sister Yes. Was a were a Werewolf? Who? His sister was the fucking Dee Wallace character from the first movie. Yeah, that was awkward the way they presented that. But when they

Later, I guess. Did she get buried in another country? I don't think so. It was just a different, it was like Oregon. Yeah, it was weird. It did feel like a weird place, but like, I just, it was just so weird that they were like, this is her. And they showed the newscast. It was like, what was that? It was totally different suit. Different werewolf suit. Yeah. It looked like a Sesame Street werewolf. It looked like a Muppet. Getting shot. Like somebody shot Elmo on the fucking news.

Oh, no. She down, well. Or the count. One, a two, a three. Three silver bullets. A man discovers that his sister is a werewolf and helps an investigator track down a gang of the monsters through the United States and Eastern Europe.

Director is Felipe Mora, also known for I was a communist werewolf and pteradacta woman of Beverly Hills. He's got a whole thing going. Yeah. Makes sense.

Makes sense. Writers are Gary Brander and Robert Sarno. The guy that wrote the howling books actually helped with the screenplay for this. Really? Yeah. Let's see. Sybil Danning was tired of having to go topless or nude so often in her movies and wanted to remain and wanted to remain close.

closed for this one. She had some assets to... I understand why people were in demand of that. Yeah, you paid for them. Let's go. The producers disagreed. But in the end, a compromise was reached, where Danning would do a single topless shot. She was very angry...

One time, right? And that's it. She was very angry on watching the finished film to find that the ending credits featured this shot no less than 17 times. It's like a smash cut of her ripping her shirt off over and over and over again. It's glorious. It's really good. Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

It's pretty good. Director of Felipe Mora didn't know that Sir Christopher Lee was a war hero in Czechoslovakia. This was not something he was allowed to talk about. But during World War II, he was part of an intelligence agency. So when they showed up to film this movie in Czechoslovakia, He was greeted with a hero's welcome at the airport when they arrived. That's when Felipe first found out about his past, how he had been involved with the killing of one of the top Nazi officials, Reinhardt, Hadrick, and everything. Felipe couldn't believe it.

One day, he took Felipe to Prague to visit a church. He remembers Sir Christopher Lee saying, Dear boy, please come with me and let me tell you about what I've seen. and he took Felipe inside the basement and proceeded to tell him a story about how this was a place where people had been trapped by the Nazis, and some very terrible things occurred here. It was such a profound moment for Felipe because he realized just from where Christopher's gravitas came from. He had seen true horror firsthand in his life, and he used that in his performances. He was also a Nazi hunter for a couple of years after World War II.

Christopher lived such an intriguing and complicated life and most people don't have any idea who he was beyond being such an iconic actor I didn't know that that's pretty awesome fucking hey dude all hail Christopher Lee man and he's a heavy metal enthusiast

so oh really I know that too yeah cool guy all right Steve would you think about the howling too that's not a good one It's not a good movie. Poorly acted, poorly paced, the werewolves are shit. You don't even really get to see

werewolves. You get to see, like, the face of one kind of lot of whirl around. There's a lot of ladies. There's a lot of, like, people, like, stretching their hands out and, like, growling, like, ah, at the screen, but, like, not a lot of anything else. There's a lot of

weird sex scenes of guys just going, like, oh, woo, there's a lot of that shit. Sybil Dannings walking around some cool fucking outfits like Mad Max outfits that I don't really know and she's like But like it just it's like it cuts to like Christopher Lee and these people doing some shit and then it cuts back to civil Danny like watching all these weird half people like rolling around with each other like moaning and it's like She's like she's like Stefan is coming to stop us He can't stop us I'm like stop what what are you even doing

You're just fucking rolling around. You're just hanging out in this house. That one guy's doing a handstand in the background. I noticed that. Did you notice that? Like, all you ever growing around is two legs fucking kicking in the air? It is, you got Christopher Lee in some weird ass like Neo Matrix glasses hanging out in the dance club. Like, this movie is all over the place.

The same, the same new wave band playing the same song over. The same song. Over. Over. And over. That was, yeah. He was the guy that did the music for the movie, obviously. You know what there is?

They paid for that music. They're going to use it. And you know what there is in this movie, Lance? You know what there is in this movie? And it fit right into the timeline was all fucking midget, running around, doing some shit. And then he was evil. He came back and he was like, he's the body. That shit was creepy and shit.

Oh, after his eyeballs exploded at his head. A werewolf. A werewolf movie, this is not. A weird-ass movie, this very much is. I didn't like it very much, though. There is some fun to be had, but it's just kind of a weird all over. It's just threw a bunch of shit at the wall and to see what would stick, and just not much did. So, there's my two cents.

Brian, what do you think? I fucking love this movie. It's so fucking weird. It's crazy. All the characters are weird. Everybody's fucking all the time. or I guess they're fucking because they're laying in bed going

Christopher Lee. They're like fake biting each other like the one guy the werewolf powers are I guess the mythology is weird in this one because Civil Danny. The girl's got Sith powers.

Yeah, she's got Sith powers. The main guy that she's having him fuck her daughter the other hot werewolf chick he has the ability to smell people fucking because he smells

the two main to fucking and he's just like woo and it was just constantly weird like Rick Flair wooze

instead of howls throughout this movie I did like the breathing in that one young girl to make her young again I thought that was cool but like

but like the weird but I was taking a big notice of like the surrounding people and like all their outfits are really dumb. It was just like some weird like doughy fucking 45 year old guys with like weird leather bracelets on standing there. All slovy holding like a fake ass. Hey listen, they only have so much at the dominatrix store. What was with civil Dannings like cloak that she would move it to the side and you have all this glowing red. CGI?

I guess pre-CGI. Okay. All right. Fair enough. Steve told you she was a Sith. Yeah. Okay, thanks for exploring it. Darth Sybil.

Oh, I like that idea. Her outfit, that black and gold one is iconic. Yes. Christopher Lee, I don't care how bad the movie is. That guy is going to lay some credibility to, he's going to lay some kind of credibility to it, in my opinion, just the way he delivered his lines. He was in a different. He always does. He was acting in a different movie than everybody else.

Yeah, he doesn't phone it in. Like, I'm actually kind of glad they didn't have him in very many scenes. Like, he did a lot of talking around people, but not with people. And the one time he did that would stand out was like at the grave or at the funeral with the girls from the first movie. And he's talking to her brother out in the front. And her brother was like, but you get out of here and take a hike. And like, his acting is so fucking bad. and like Christopher Lee's just standing in there looking at him like

you can just see it in his face and like Christopher Lee did better acting in looking and walking away and that guy did in his whole monologue and it's fantastic and I didn't like how other hot vent werewolf chick she just gets stabbed at the end she doesn't put up no fight

and they say she's one of the most dangerous werewolves that there are. Christopher Lee just takes his little titanium because some werewolves are immune to silver takes his titanium blade and just stabs her and that's it.

That's it. She's like, oh no, you found the one other metal. And then he like hugs the other one to death and they both catch on fire. He's like, you're going to burn, bitch. And she's like, you are too, motherfucker. Oh, because they're supposed to

They're supposed to be brother and sister. Yeah, weird. But I'm like, she was super old, and she's done this more than once. So, like, if they're brother and sister, then that means he's probably done this, too, because they were saying, talking like, she's done this several times. Well, they were talking like they were fucking back in the day. Yeah. She just kept saying, you never could resist me, Stefan.

Yeah. I was like, you know fucking his sister? Well, I mean. Times were different a thousand years ago. And if it was a thousand years ago, when times was different, and your sister look like that. Come on, no, do. The nearest woman's, like,

400 miles away on horseback through the fucking treacherous ass. So what is he? He's Stefan. World Warpuncher. I'm more curious about what the fuck was living on the end of her staff that went after that one priest.

Oh, right. Did it fuck him in his mouth? I mean, it did something. Something like that, yeah. Because it took its tail. It took its tail and face fucked him. It did the face. Tiger move.

And then it went all the way in. Remember it came out at the end. It was like hiding in there. It came out of the end like, ah. Yeah. But still, you know what? You know what none of that shit is?

Werewolves? Not a one of it. That's good point. Not a one of it. Fair enough. Fair enough. They kind of turn. I think it's like you just see people with patches of hair.

And then there's a shot of some people running through the grass at night that look hairy. I think. This is werewolf adjacent. Because like I said, somebody would partially turn. And then they would just go, woo. And then like, I didn't understand the brother and that other reporter that go to the hotel. And they're like, one room.

And he's like, no, two rooms. And she's like, one room is fine. And I'm like, come on, dude. And then he gets the room. And he's like, we need to leave. And she's like, would you sit down? And he's like, no, we have this to do. She's like, would you hold me?

And then they started getting at it. I'm like, she has to beat you over the head with this shit. I'm like, what a dumbass, huh? Golly, he flew halfway around the world and you still can't fucking think straight. Although then they go right back out into the town where everybody is dancing 24-7. And, uh, he's like, hey, he loses her. Yeah, he's like, hey, home dude, watch her for a minute. I'll be back.

Like, you don't know who this guy is. Yeah, I'm going to go buy her a gift. But then he comes back. gift. You know, where's the lady? Oh, you know, that one guy totally took her up the mountain to rape her because you're dumb for leaving her with the fucking townie.

And she's like, oh yeah, okay, let that make sense. Let's go. All right. Lance, what did you think? I was 10 minutes into this thing and I was like, what in the fuck did you fucking assholes make me watch? Because that

first Howley movie, It's almost a masterpiece, right? Like I said, it's my second favorite vampire. It's my second favorite werewolf movie now, for sure. I love the original howling. But as the movie went on, and as they got toured Eastern Europe, and as you got into these weird, cult, fucking bizarre, I mean, you guys know that I love movies having to do with, you know,

the woods and the old country and stuff like that. And I'm starting to, I'm starting to be sucked into this movie a little bit. Slowly but surely I've certainly be sucked in. And then I see those wonderful tits. And I'm like,

okay, I think I'm totally in now. And then it's like, you guys are lowering a mask onto me and making me like go under into this weird bizarre drug that you're feeding me while I'm watching The Howling 2 and I don't know, something funny happens 30 minutes into this

movie and I'm a complete fan. I fucking loved it. I love the midget that was throwing knives and like part of the deal. I fucking love the bizarre werewolf characters. I love Sybil Danning from start to finish.

I love the fetishes. I love the orgy for people, were wearing leather and just fucking, I love the weird fucking designs where the vam, or the werewolves looked more like monkeys than werewolves except for the face.

Something about this movie just totally got me, pulled me in, and just sucked the life out of me. Because I absolutely love the howling tube for completely different reasons that I love the original one. So bad it's good.

Let me put it to you this way. This is one of the few movies that we've done for the podcast that I watched. And then the second night, I watched it again. Just to see all the fun stuff I missed. And Christopher Lee hamming it up. Oh, my God. And why were they wearing sunglasses? It made no fucking sense.

He just kept them on to you. I was like, man. Look, this is why I keep accidentally saying vampires. It was like a vampire mythology. They were in Transylvania for fuck's sake. but it was werewolves You need to go with me to Transylvania to kill the werewolves

You're like, okay I'm in two Like I loved it Could you imagine having the financial freedom To just be like Standing there when somebody's like We're going on an adventure Be like I'm in

And then you just go Like the next day in Transylvania Fighting werewolves and shit You're like I gotta go back to work on Monday But like this is fucking awesome I was so I was so worried that I was gonna hate this because it was going to be a garbage

fest. But like I said, 15 to 20 to 30 minutes in, I was so into this movie and just loving all the over-the-top shit. My score may be better than the howling for this. It won't be,

but it's so bad. Why was this movie not on our March Madness, Brian? Why is this not seen as one of the classics of so bad? It's I just had nothing to do with picking none of the Well, because it's, it reminds me a lot of, like, rock and roll nightmare.

Okay, go on. Yes, there was a lot of rock and roll nightmare in here, Philip. Yeah, your turn. Let's go. But yeah, and that's, that's where I land with this movie also. It's so bad that it's good. It is totally wacky. Nothing makes a whole lot of sense.

but by the time the werewolves were rolling around in bed and like sort of having sex and kind of just going I was I was dying and I had a pretty good time with it man but there's scenes too where like there's like somebody will do something and it'll cut to like a werewolf like in the background watching and they're just like I know like against the wall like like why are you doing so creepy right so far creepy. But like there's no teeth or fangs or anything. It's just a person doing that. A lot of those. I think, I think one of them had a weird little chat like a on the way out. They do it. Not like a wolf would howl. They do it just like Brian just did it. Like they'll be like standing there. Like all quiet like a woo. Yeah, like I said that scene when Steve was talking about the guy and the girl finally fucked in the hotel room.

the one main wolf guy, he's just like sniffing in the air. And he goes, woo. We knew about it, man. None of them sounded like werewolves at all. And these crazy gypsies that are just dancing around the whole fucking time.

Like they never stop dancing. I'm like, what are they doing this city? Yeah. It's just a city full of war wolves. It's like folk horror, right? It's like folkor. Yeah.

It's like a city full of, little werewolves and they all just dance all the time. But yeah, no, I had a, I had a great time with it. It was just, it was bonkers from start to finish. They say weird shit too. Like, I couldn't believe they were like, all right, you, brother, go with this midget guy. And you're going to go infiltrate this shit and, like, do like a kill mission. And you're like, what?

And the midget guy starts taking people out. And like, the brother is not shalant about it. He's like, well, that's a new way to kill. someone and I'm like, you're just cool with this shit? Like, you're just like cool with just killing people and shit? Like he knew this guy was a midget assassin. He does have his moments as bad as acting as he was. Uh-huh.

When it's time to kill some werewolves, he is fired from the hip. Just bow-wow, wow, wow, wow. Yeah. But, like, when the lady starts chanting and, you know, making everybody turn into werewolves and, like, hurting everybody else's ears, and then midgett's running, you know, and I can't believe he was keeping up with that brother pretty good. You know what I mean? Like the brother was booking and that maybe was keeping up with him.

Like he was running his ass off. But then he trips or whatever and the earplugs come out. And he's like, go, you had to get out of here. Run. I lost my ear. I can't move. But then as soon as the brother gets up after two minutes of sitting there going like, huh, what do you mean?

Then he fucking leaves. And then the midget gets up and runs away. I'm like, you could have just done that two minutes ago. Got the fuck up and kept running. But now you waste it all this time and now she's on your ass. And now your eyes are going to go pop. Yeah, that was a weird werewolf power, but a great, uh, great scene, I thought, with the eyes exploding. I mean, that was a cool, it was a cool practical effect.

Yeah. I like that, and I like this, the weird thing with the monster at the end going into the, the practical head of the priest. Yeah. It looks, yeah, I just, I just sort of made a face when that happened. I was like, is he? Is, is that? Oh, yeah. Dude, and then the priest's head, eyes like roll in the back of his head.

I was like, ah. Is he fucking that bear? All right. Scores, Steve, what do you think? I'm going to give this one a five. Not okay. Four. Four on ten.

Four on ten. That was my original score, 15 minutes in. Four on ten. It changed, though. Ryan, you can bring us up? the hell yeah this is an easy eight on ten no way Steve

remember the whole end credits the end credits was fan like I've never six on ten even when they have six on ten the end credits brought it up to six on ten even when they have like after credit scenes in Marvel movies at this point I don't always

stick around I watch this whole one oh yeah because Steve you brought up how how good they edited like the old guy that licks his lips and then it's just her tearing her top off all of a sudden. It's true. The editing was shit throughout the whole movie, but they fucking nailed it in the credits, man. Pinpoint accuracy. Lance?

Seven and a half. Seven and a half. All right. Great movie. Yeah, I'm going to go. I'm going to give this one an eight, too. I thought it was hilarious, man. And it was just, I had a really good time with it.

All right. Any last words? You guys just wait until we get to the next couple. I'm excited about the marsupial one now. How many? How many are in the list? There is two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Okay.

Four, four episodes. Maybe we can get Al-on-one one, Brian. Yeah. As always. Most of them looks like they're on Tooby. We want to thank you guys for listening to another episode

of The Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at Thehorredt Returns at gmail.com. You can find us at thehorreturns.com and follow all of our social media

from there. Next week, we're going to go back to the theater for The Monkey and also check out 2013's The Monkey Monkey paw. Monkey's paw. What is that, Brian? It's a movie. I think I remember that one. I've seen that one. Yeah.

It's not bad. First watch for me. Brian's not saying anything, so what is the monkeys paw? It's a movie about a monkey's paw. It's like Wishmaster. Be careful what you wish for. Okay, that makes sense. So, Steve, until the horror returns again, good night.