The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #458: Carrie (1976) & The Rage: Carrie 2 (1999)

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

Happy birthday, Nicole, as we honor your birthday request to talk about Carrie! Cool of the week includes Daredevil: Born Again, Snatch, and the Way of Kings. Trailers are Control Freak and The Parenting. The podcast spotlight shines on Old Dawg - New Trickz. And we get feedback from Jeffrey Reddick, Bill D Russell, Steve Carleton, Stephanie Singleton, Rob Brown, Mike J Marin, Todd Haig, Mark Komarzynski, Jedidiah Sawyer, and Robert Klepper. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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Everyone out there and everyone who may or may not be out there. I don't know, maybe some aliens listening, you never know. We may be in the matrix. They're out there. We may be in the fucking Matrix for all we know. But if it takes, you know what, if this beer tastes like beer and it gives me a buzz or I think I'm getting a buzz, but it's like created through the Matrix, I'm cool with it. It's all good.

It tastes delicious. Yes, it is. The Matrix, Cipher or whatever. Yeah. Joe Pantiliano. I love that guy. Joey Pants, right, Brian? Yeah.

All right. Well, you guys are back again to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance and with me as always or my co-host, Brian and Phillip. How's it going, guys? What's up? Yeah, no, big, big question on everybody's mind. Brian, we heard you say there was a wrestling returns coming. Fill us in.

What's going on? Yes, I promised we would be getting these spinoff shows on the network back out. And first, one was the wrestling returns. We did the elimination chamber that happened over. the weekend interesting show john spoiler for everybody don't know i don't know if you anybody that does follow wrestler or doesn't john sina turned heel for the first time in his career oh they saw him didn't they wow i got to see that align himself with the rock and oh is the rock a bad guy again yep he's in his man he's in his heel character called the final boss because in real life he's part of

the board that owns WWE Oh, okay, right? So they just made it into a heel character. I love it. And for some reason Travis Scott was there, too. Because why not?

May or may not have injured Cody Rhodes by slapping them hell of hard on the side of his head rupturing his eardrum. Oh, shit. You can't cup your hand, brother. What are you doing? I guess I gave an interview and I guess Travis said he wanted to get his hands dirty and he told him he's like, go ahead, brother.

Get into it. And then he slapped him. And then he was, the rock was like, he slapped this shit out of him. Well, the key is to make it look real. So Travis, you got a receipt coming. I'm guessing probably WrestleMania. He's got something coming his way. He's about to get bushing the nose hard.

That'll be fun. But yeah, we dropped that last night. So everybody that got to listen to it, thank you. And yeah, next couple of weeks we got stream fiends and action coming. And I got some stuff working on Nez's network over there, Skater Podcast Network. Skater Nest Podcast Network. So got some stuff coming. All right.

New shit coming out. We should be getting some new coups. But I don't know. Let's talk way better than what I was going to say. I've part of the company that made these for it. Brian, you still never have gotten any, have you? I got the original OG ones. Nah, you got to get, well, you know what?

Okay, so here's my plan. I want to get, I want to get the logo on one side and Jasper Jenkins with the axe on the other side. Oh, cool. But for 500 of those, it's going to be like $760. So I'm like, yeah. So I said, can you get me a? quote for about 200 let's start off with it with this smaller number or something some waiting for that so that's the plan i got the original one when we when we were at texas fritman together when

bill was providing beverages for us oh yeah that was scaring around a backpack full of beer i remember that i remember we got to do that whenever we get to well we won't be able to bring a backpack Willoughbyr in the Universal Vegas, but whenever they finally opened that place, we got to open up there. What's that? Yeah. I can do like a some sort of weird, like body suit of whiskey

or something. Although that would be weird to get warm whiskey that was warmed up by my nuts. It's, you know what? I don't think anybody would find it. And it's whiskey so it's clean. And it's not actually touching your nuts. Right. It's not sanitizing the outside.

But it's still weird. You know, I mean, the things we do to catch a buzz, right? All right. Well, I guess we was all jumping cool of the week. Who's got something that really shines this week, guys? I might have to struggle a little to find something. I'll go first. I'm doing something a little different this week.

Don't laugh. I wanted to, I was, I'm interested in the new Karate Kid movie coming out. So I wanted to see a couple things that the new Karate Kid and Ben Wang. So I've seen he had a couple of stuff on Disney Plus. The first one's a sports drama called Chang Ken Dunk. I've heard of that one. Yeah, I've heard of that one.

That one you don't really get a... It's like an airbud movie. Pretty much. Very much like an airbud movie. It sounds like, yeah. That one, you don't really get a feel for him as far as, his acting ability because he's more of a side character. So I ended up checking out something else that was on Disney Plus called.

It's a series called American Born Chinese. It's like a mystical fantasy. I think there's a new season coming out, right? No, I got canceled, which kind of bummed me and my daughter out because it left on a cliffhanger. And she was looking out to see when the next season was. And then she was like, are you serious? I was like, what? Canceled?

She was like, yo. Disney pulling a five? Like in Netflix, man. And it had a good cast. It had a good cast. Michelle Yao, Kehoe Kuan. Mm-hmm.

It had a lot of Asian actors, Asian-American actors. Like, if you didn't know their name, you definitely seen them in a whole bunch of things. Yeah. If they,

if in the new karate kid, if he plays like a shy, awkward, kind of nerdy kid, he's definitely going to pull it off from what I've seen in the show. Well, he may start out that way, but I mean, I think that makes sense, you know. Yeah.

I mean, that's, that's the classic character, even though, like, Danny, what really wasn't? Right. Danny was the villain. What are you talking about? Yeah, right? Started every damn thing. Like, for the hero of the story, he was a little bit dushy, but, like, he definitely wasn't just some nerd. So, as far as, as far as acting.

I think the kid will pull his weight. From what I understand in real life, he's like a multi-degree black belt. So that's cool. The fighting scenes probably be on point with him. All right. So checked out those and it was already on Disney Plus, and I forgot Daredevil Born Again dropped the first two episodes. I forget to watch it.

Damn it. Did you watch some of it, Brian? Yeah, I watched both episodes. I liked what I've seen. Not as action-heavy the first two episodes, because they're kind of catching you up with where these characters are. It's the characters from the Netflix series brought over to the MCU. Yeah, of course, sure.

Kind of catching you out where Matt Murdoch is, where Wilson Fisk is. Yeah, Wilson Fiske is the mayor now, right? Yeah, he's the mayor in New York. That happened at the end of the end. echo, I believe. Yeah, they're getting into a lot of what the city thinks of it. You know, part of the city likes it. Part of the city doesn't like it. At this point in the show, Daredevil has kind of put down the mask and doesn't want to be a vigilante no more.

So it's kind of building these stories. They introduce a new character in there. I won't say anything about that. Okay. Could be a villain. Could be the hero. could be playing the middle. That's not very specific. Yeah. That leaves it wide open, okay? And at some point during the season, we're going to get John Berthalz, the Punisher.

He's back. Ah, okay. That's what I was going to ask if we had a Punisher side of yet. I never even got that much into the Punisher series, but like the Punisher when he was on the Daredevil series was awesome. Yeah, I didn't care too much for the first season of his show. but I thought they did a better job on the second season.

See, and I don't think I ever watched the second season because I didn't make it through the first season. Yeah. Oh, no. But he's, he's, he's my punisher. Sorry, Ness, I know. You like the 80s, what's his name?

Ivan Drago as the punisher. Oh, God. Get out of you. All right. Nez. We're going to have to seek some therapy for Nez. He's got like a little too close to some of those 80s movies.

But Daredevil, I'm liking what I'm seeing so far. There was some good action scenes in there. They're definitely going violent and bloody with the action scenes. Good. Good. So, okay. Two episodes drop every Tuesday. There's two episodes out right now. They're about an hour apiece. So good stuff so far. I hope they keep going with that. See, look, that's proof that you can do something where, like, people have historically tried to make movies about this character, and it was historically shitty, and then they made it good.

Yes. Right? Fantastic Four. I'm hoping that. They haven't done a good one yet, right? I know. She's talking about that Robin one in 1990 was awesome. The four characters in themselves are a little cheesy to begin. Like, oh, he's stretchy.

That's a superpower. All right. Whatever, man. He's super intelligent. I mean, he's a scientist, you know. Well, right. But if you're going to, like, choose your own superpower to be really cool, that's not it.

It could come in handy, if you know what I mean. I have a 13-foot, one-inch diameter, will he? All right. Well, I'll jump at my cool of the week. Yeah, that's all I got. Deer Devil? Okay. I don't know how horror-centric it is.

But, uh, all right. So I'll tell you about my weekend and then we'll get in my cool of week because it sort of plays into the park. So my buddy comes down with his kid this weekend and we go on this little, uh, like charter fishing trip. Right. Didn't catch a goddamn thing. But we had a blast with the kids. Right. Come back and watch some classic fucking movies.

Snatch. Dude, I haven't seen Snatch in so long. Every scene in that movie is magical. It is the perfect film. I love it. It might be my favorite movie of all time. Damn. All right.

I love Statch. And then we watch Super Troopers, which is almost as good. Did you watch it, Lance? I did. Yeah, I did. I finally checked it out, man. Checked one out? Super-turper?

I was impressed, but still, my favorite movie there's is still got to be Beer Fest. Oh, no. Dude, super-chir- Maybe for personal reasons. Sure. As long as we didn't say the Slamin' Salmon. Yeah. That one wasn't super great. Neither was the one that was like in the Jamaican island or whatever.

Oh, yeah. Club Dred. Yeah, yeah. It was okay. Club Med. But like the first Super-Truper. Okay, so once they get into like the serious drama of it, it's like not quite as funny and they get a little more into the story. But like the first half of the movie is just nonstop fun.

Like everything is hilarious. It's totally lighthearted. There's nothing serious at all. It's great. And all the jokes is. That guy is funny. All everybody in that movie is awesome. That guy is married to Christina Hendricks.

Is that her name? Yeah. Yeah. Sense of humor does wonders. Yeah. It has to because I've seen pictures of them together. I'm just like, how does this work? Right.

I guess it's working. Maybe he's Mr. Fantastic because she's much bigger than him. That can be fun too. Maybe he's got some Reed Richard's powers. I don't know. Maybe he does. There you.

go. But yeah, I think that's what I got. I had some classics, man. But Snatch is definitely my cool of the week. Oh, my God. Every scene, the music is perfect. Every scene is like, even when they do some shit as simple as just repeat a line, it's for a purpose. And it makes a point.

Like, there's no dead space in this movie. I love it. Nice. Yeah. All right. So snatch it is then this week. That's a good one. All right. Well, yeah, I'm having trouble because I haven't really watched a lot of movies and like I'm way behind on TV series. But I mean, you guys know I like to read 24 books a year. So if you're going to make that commitment, you may or may not want to pick a 1600 page fantasy book to be one of the books. But you should pick chaos to be one of the books, Lance. I'm telling you. Oh, yeah. I did add that to my. I want to read it. He told you months ago, Lance. Please read it.

It's going to change what you think about the world. Okay, but I just, but I just finished, you guys heard of this author Brandon Sanderson, fantasy writer? Sure haven't.

Yeah, all right. Well, dude, look, he's got a series of books. The first book is called The Way of Kings. Like I said, it's 1,600 pages long. So I bought the four book set,

and I'm like 23% through and I'm one super long book in so I've got a long way to go but it's a really cool universe that he builds he's got it's it's kind of let's put it this way if george r r martin would get off his lazy ass and finish his series of books he could learn some lessons from brandon because brandon brandon writes one of these like every two years religiously so he's already up to five books in the series but that guy's like finishing no george r martin i don't think it's going to happen. We've been saying the same shit for like six years. Every time I hear his name in the news, he's got like a

movie coming out based on one of his other books or video game or something. Right, right? Or that one that looks kind of like it's end of the badlands, Brian? I think I sent you the trailer for that one. Yeah. New TV show that he's executive producing. You know, I think what happened is HBO fucked it up. And an order to make it good, it's going to have to be great. And he doesn't want to fuck with it.

He's like, or I could just let the money roll in and sit back and drink a martini. What if what he has already written is worse than what age you will be? I don't think so. I got faith in him. I really just kind of wish somebody would pick it up just ghost write because it's only two more books that need to come out. So if somebody would just fucking. you know, come out and ghost write, hell, this dude could do a good job because this book, The Way of Kings, it's phenomenal. It's like on that grand epic scale,

like Game of Thrones, where you've got so many different characters in like every chapter, you know, they switch around from character to character. There's, you can tell there's like two main ones that are kind of headed toward each other in their trajectory. Um, there's alliances that are formed and then the alliances are broken. There's people that like sell each other out, like stab each other in the back. So it's kind of games of thronish that way. But what makes it different is its own a completely different planet

where like gemstones, different type of gemstones can absorb light. And people that learn how to use magic, they can like pull the light and the power out of the gemstones and do really cool things like sticking to walls or making rocks float in the air. You know, another kind of gemstone gives them superpowers. So it's very interesting.

and then they've got they've got something called a shard blade and there's only a certain number of them and they have to put gems together to create a shard blade it's basically a lightsaber It sounds like a fucking final fantasy game

It's like an adamantium lightsaber right So it can come through any any type of door door wall rock And then like if it pierces armor It like just instantly kills the person And their eyes sink in and start smoking

So it's like a very hard weapon to get the only way to get one is to defeat someone who has one and then you win theirs or if you're gifted one. So it's really cool. A lot of Highlander in it, a lot of Star Wars in it, a lot of Game of Thrones in it. This is an RPG game is what this is. It really is, dude. It really is. I'm super fucking into it, but it took me like three weeks to read the first book.

So I'm going to have to thumb through a couple of graphic novels. make sure I stay on my 24 book paste before I pick up the next one. Oh, does the count if it has pictures? And this one actually has some pictures. Because the world is so different. And like the different creatures, like there's a lot more crustacean-based creatures

that they ride instead of horses and stuff like that. So the dude took his time, man. He did some great universe building. And it's very, very good writing. Characters that you care about. Evil characters that turn good characters that turn heel, Brian, evil characters that do something heroic

that you wouldn't have expected. So it's got me, man. I'm going to keep reading them. So that's my cool of the week. I'm going to read 24 books next year, but 22 of them are going to be Dr. Zeus. Whatever works, man. I'm going to read 24 postcards next year.

All right, Brian. Bring us some horror headlines, man. All right. We're going to start with TV. We got, I don't know, we brought this up during the show or before we started recording, but we talk about Joey Pants, Joey Pantiliano. Hey, Joey Pants. Join the cast of The Last of Us, season two. Huh.

Let me guess. He's a bad guy. He betrays somebody. That's his schick. Yeah, it could be a good guy. I can't see him doing anything else. He is the Judas character. Even when he's not a villain in a movie or a TV show,

you're just kind of looking at him. When are you going to do something bad? Yeah, when you trust that guy. That's right. Lance, we have some more cast- You trusted Joey pants? Are you fucking kidding me? You got some more casting news for Dexter Resurrection? Okay, let's see how they fit in the timeline.

The old Patrick Harris. Come on, dude. How's he going to fit in the timeline? Give me a break. Well, he should fit a lot better than Peter lately. I don't know. He's been around a while.

I always loved him in that Harold and Kumar Christmas movie. Yeah, for sure. But that was like 20 years ago, man. I know, and it's been a while. Yeah, now that you mentioned it, it's been a while. It felt like he was old then. I know. That's what I'm saying. I was like, dude, he's got to be like almost 60 at this point, right? A lot of us are almost 60 at this point. Dude, I know.

I turn 57 tomorrow. Happy birthday, Lance. 57. Thank you. Happy 67th birthday. Not quite yet. All right. Movie dude. You put that AARP membership to good use. Yes. I do qualify.

Would you hit 55 you qualify? That counts. Good discounts off at the theater. Yes, I do. Although I've got an AMC A list, but I always buy AJ a senior's ticket. And she's like, I don't want a fucking senior's ticket. They're going to look at me and say, you're not old enough. So just fucking go with the senior's ticket.

It's $2 less, God damn it. I know. Is that what they're going to do? They're going to look at the ticket and be like, this bitch ain't old enough. Yeah, right. Come on. Give me a break. When we were kids, dude, one of us used to go and hold the door open in the movie theater for all our friends to come through. Oh, yeah. All right. Matthew Modine joins the cast of the next Godzilla Kong movie.

Okay. Let's see. Catherine Newton. We've seen her in Freaky, Abigail, Lisa Frankenstein, joins the cast of Ready or Not, too. Oh, that's going to be great. I like that casting. I really do. Jaws is coming back to the theater for its 50th anniversary this summer. As well, it should. So is it going to be, like, remastered or, like, you know, converted, you know, for the newer technology or anything like that?

Yeah. I'll probably be made a new cover. Yeah. So that's about it. A new Bluetooth. Yeah. I know what you can talk about. What are them Bluetooth?

You know what I mean. Yeah, them things that kids have these days. You know what I mean? Watching your movie on the CDs. And I guess we'll cut news short because there's not much of it. But we'll finish off with David Arquette. is returning for Screen 7. How's that going to work?

Flashbacks? No, me and my daughter is a big fan of the Scream franchise, so we were talking about it. I think a lot of these characters that they're bringing them back are going to be flashbacks or dream sequences. Okay. But I think the only one who's going to be in present day is Matthew Liller. Gotcha.

Okay. Yeah, or maybe like a... mental breakdown sequence. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I could see that Sydney having a mental breakdown and then she's seeing all these

ghostmates from her pass. Yeah. Sure. That's possible. Yeah, that's possible. It can either be pretty good or really, really bad. I guess we're going to find out. I mean, that's better than a dream sequence,

but we'll see what they do. Yeah. And that's it. It's it for news. All right. On that note, let's take a little trip down to the trailer park. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's number one tonight, man?

Number one of a couple of streaming movies is Control Freak. This one's coming out on Hulu, and it is directed and written by Shea Nago, and stars Kelly Marie Trembudsman. which I believe she was in Star Wars the newer ones oh maybe she was the was she the character

that yeah like saved Finn yeah from his fucking epic hero moment and they ruined it that's right kind of a minor character I guess she ruined it by almost

killing him yeah uh What do you guys think? They both look kind of fun this week. No, it looks like fun. I'm kind of into it. Yeah, maybe.

It's streaming, right? I didn't really gauge much of what this movie's about. Yeah, these were both pretty short, weren't they? Let's see. Right, but I thought it's real quick. A motivational speaker is tormented by an unrelenting itch on the back of her head. Okay. Yeah, no, didn't get that at all.

Yeah, that's a stretch. Okay. But yeah, that's, I mean, I'm open to it for sure. Like, I'll definitely watch it if it gets some good buzz. But it, like, it didn't give me enough to be like, oh, I definitely want to see this. Because I don't know what it's about. Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough. It just seems like a weird fucking movie.

That one with Sebastian Stain in it a couple of years ago where he was eating people. That was kind of cool. Like, right? We didn't expect much of that. And it was fun. Yeah, that was a great movie. Yeah, hopefully this will, you know, go to the same round. Cut her butt cheek off.

Yeah. Hey, that's where the meat is. Rumpos. I was, after seeing the trailer, I was wondering, you guys remember that movie bug? With Michael Shannon. Yes. I love that movie. Love that movie.

You think they're going. William Friedkin directed. Yeah, do you think they're going that direction? This stuff is not really happening. Could be. Maybe she's got some neurotic thing or some kind of power, maybe. Like Carrie. I don't know.

Okay. I guess we'll see. But that's what, like, I have no idea what this is about. And sometimes that's good, right? Somebody with an itch. Or the IMD. They probably make some medication for that. Yeah.

A little cream. This one actually comes out next week, March 13th on Hulu. Hulu, all right. Nice. I think we all have Hulu. That's cool. Yeah, that was a KGS trailer for being a week away. Yeah. And our final trailer, this one is coming to Max. It is a horror comedy called The Parenting, directed by Craig Johnson, written by Kent Sub. Letto.

And stars a bunch of people. Most importantly, Brian Cox. And Lisa. Yeah. Brian Cox, literally, huh? Carmelo, Sacramento. Oh, I knew that was Camaro. I knew I heard that voice.

Lisa Kudrow, Dean Norris. Okay. Parker Posey. Yeah. A bunch of other people. what did you guys think of this one? Horic comedy. Pretty excited. Pretty excited.

This one looks fun. Especially Brian Cox. Brian Cox and Lisa Kudrow, I'm sold. That was, as soon as Lisa Cudrow popped up in this movie, I was like, all right, I'm watching it. I was laughing at a bunch of scenes. When they walk on an E.D. Falco on the toilet,

and the dude closed the door, and he was like, I've seen it. And now I can't unsee it. I'm seeing it. We've all been there, right? And then Brian Cox walks in naked and apparently has a boner, and he just keeps telling everybody, look at it. This looks like comedy gold to me. I hope this is as good as I want it to be.

But just from the previews, there were like a lot of laughable moments. Yeah. Yes. And according to IMDV, this also comes out March 13th. Oh, wow. I never even heard of this. If it's as good as I think it's going to be, it seems like it should have been bigger. And this is a streaming one?

Yep. The max. Okay. Yeah. Well, so that's going to be a big weekend, Brian. We were talking about that earlier, right? because we've got two different competing horror movies in the theater, right? The one with Samara weaving in it, which is the one we're going to see.

And Opus, right? And that's all that the 13th, correct? Yeah. Which I heard some things about opus. Might be a good thing. We're not reviewing it. Yikes. Okay.

I heard some early reviews. Oh, no. not that great well that's right sometimes they're not so great ones the best reviews yeah

well we'll wait and see I guess all right we'll stick with we'll stick with Samara weaving right yeah

she's show favor all right that's it on to listener feedback this week we're going to shine the podcast spotlight on old dogs

new tricks Old Dog's New Tricks Reviews Movies and Television Well, that's a good description Well, sounds like a very short description Do you know anything else about this show, Brian? Yes, it's hosted by a friend of the show Taylor And co-hosted by

Nez Oh, there you go Nez is the old dog Out of the group That I knew that sounded familiar That makes sense, yeah And we got an email from Jeffrey Reddick, creator of the Final Destination franchise.

Creator of the Final Destination franchise emailed us, guys. That's the real thing that happened. He has confirmed that he will be joining us for our Final Destination Retro show in May. I don't know that we should have announced that, but now you're stuck. Jeffrey, thank you. I already sent him a T-shirt, so he's... He's locked down. In regards to the

I see the demon trailer, Bill D. Russell says Unbelievable. Brian, you've seen that one, right? I don't think I've seen that trailer. I only watch trailers for the show. I try to watch as very, I try to keep my trailer limited

because I'd like to be surprised. Yeah. Makes sense. Makes sense. Um, in regards to the fan poster for a nightmare in space, uh, Steve Carlton says, yo, that's a crazy concept if you think about it. Hyper sleep for long space flights. That could be insane.

With Frady Krueger. Yeah. Oh, ho. Yeah. A lot of stuff could happen there, huh? Uh, you, you can't get out. Yeah. Um, David Barta says, uh, would not be preferred.

but I go in with an open mind. I love being pleasantly surprised. Hey, Jason X was a big surprise when I first seen it. Yeah. It was ridiculous, but it was fun. You didn't put the comment in? I don't know who it was. Tried to tell me that this is not a real movie.

No, it's not a real movie. It's a concept poster. Yeah, we know that. We didn't need to cover that. Everybody knows. Surely everybody knows it's just like a fan poster. Come on. This is not a thing.

Okay. Now we know. Thank you. But it'd be cool if it was. It may be one day. It's out there now. Yeah, a cool poster. And in our poll, the mist retains its lead as the best Stephen King adaptation hanging in with 19%.

How many options do we have? I think there was. I think I posted between 10 and 15. Okay. that's pretty fucking good then yeah that might be about a third and i try to keep it mostly just horror so i didn't put shot shank or green mile yeah but go check it out on the facebook page you get the opportunity um let's see stephanie singleton says haven't read all his books just some but i've seen many of the movies i'm with you yes even stephen king's got an awful lot of movies and an awful lot of books, but I've only read a couple of them. I've read them. Let's see. In regards for the poster for Cracken,

Rob Brown says, Rob Bounce says, uh, nice. Probably not the way he said it funny minute, but that's the way I read it. You never know. Right? In regards to the Gorge. Oh yeah, I did watch the Gorge.

It was fantastic. Nice. Mike J. Moran said, I loved this movie. Yeah, it was pretty great, man. Like, I had it, I mean, it wasn't like super deep, but I had a really fun time. Yeah. In regards to the trailer for it doesn't get any better than this. Todd Haig says, so I guess they want only maybe a few hundred people to see it.

There's nothing in the trailer to suggest it's worth anyone's time to watch it. I've never even heard of it, so... I guess it doesn't get any better than that. That's pretty brutal. In regards to the howling, too, Mark Komarzynski says, kind of hokey, but worth it for the civil danning scenes alone.

Cult film status achieved. For sure. Got to watch it for that end credits just a lot. Yeah, you can just watch the credits. It's fine. 17 times in a row. row. Yeah. It's a wild movie. That one, I had

a blast. In regards to Texas Chainsaw 2. Jedediah Sawyer, is that your real name, Jedediah? That's awesome. I like that. My next favorite film next to the original.

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Happy birthday, my bad. To listener Nicole Loftus with a review of Carrie and The Rage, Carrie 2. So we'll start with the original Carrie from 1976. It's the night of the senior prom. The Bates High School gym is alive with excitement. Everybody is there. Even Carrie White. The girl no one likes.

Carrie White, a shy, friendless teenager who is sheltered by her domineering religious mother. unleashes her telekinetic powers after being humiliated by her classmates at her senior prom. Director is Brian De Palma, also known for Blowout and Phantom of the Paradise. Really? Yeah. Beef. Writer is Lawrence D. Cohen, also known for It and the Tommy Knockers. A big Stephen King fan, I take it.

Sounds that way. When Sissy Spaceic was preparing for her character, she isolated herself from the rest of the ensemble, decorating her dressing room with heavy religious iconography and studied Gustave Dioray's illustrated Bible. She studied the body. I don't know. I probably fucked that name up, my bad. She studied the body language of people being stoned for their sins, starting or ending every scene in one of those positions. Oh, wow.

Interesting. That's cool. That is interesting. Okay. While speaking at a book event in Fort Myers, Florida in 2010, Stephen King recalled that he was paid just $2,500 for the movie rights to carry, which may seem like a pittance, but he has no regrets. I was fortunate to have that happen to my first book, King said. We actually got about halfway through writing the book and threw it in the trash, and his wife Tabitha pulled it out of the trash and said, you need to finish this.

Really? A little bit of trivia on the book, so it almost never was. It was almost kind of written like a movie, although I'd never actually read the book, so. Yeah, it's pretty close, man. The storyline works for the movie, at least. assuming it's story accurate. Lance, you want to start us off on Kerry? Yeah, this scene, this one several times.

Not my favorite Stephen King adaptation, but it's up there. It's probably like in the top five, for sure. And there's a lot of symbolism in this movie, not just the religious symbolism, like, you know, all the prayer candles and then the room full of candles in the last scene. Hell, you know, I had actually, on this rewatch, I'd kind of almost forgotten the final scenes, like, with her and her mom, with all the knives and flying, stuff like that after the prom. Like, I just remember the big ending part being the prom, and then I kind of, you know, remembered that last part. But the movie, it, like, starts out with blood. And I don't know if it has anything to do with, you know, the blood of Christ or the body of Christ or any of that.

I don't know how deep Stephen King meant to go there. He definitely made it clear that he's not a huge fan of organized religion gone wrong. He puts that in all of his books. I don't know how super-duper familiar he is with Christian. Yeah, well, I mean, think of all the characters like Mrs. Carmody from The Mist. You know, he's always got one religious nut, right? Right. A religious salad.

Under the Dome, what have you. Anyway. But, yeah, the movie starts with, with, blood and kind of ends with a lot of blood. And I don't know if it had to do with that so much as maybe just femininity. And, you know, the fact that women bleed to, you know, their menstrual cycle every month, they were throwing tampons at her, you know, and then, of course, it goes for seven days and doesn't die.

Plug it up, you know. Plug it up. Yeah, and that was pretty brutal. But one, one thing, you know, I really caught more on this one was like, it, I, you know, I wouldn't call it a horror comedy, but there was definitely a lot of humor in those scenes where the coach was punishing the students. And like the music was da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-pick up and they were doing the push-ups. The scene where they're getting the tuxedoes? Yeah, the tuxedo scene.

That was a good one. Oh, and the pig, where they're going to get the pig's blood with a judge of Hulta. you know Don't call me stupid, hey. Hey, come Yeah, it was a lot of good characters in this one, but to me they were kind of like believable because they were all sort of bullies,

but some of them sort of had some redeeming qualities. PJ Souls was a bitch. She was like, you could see her face during the final scene when she just pointed and just started laughing at Carrie, like didn't really care about it. And she was probably the meanest one, I guess. heart, even though others did some meaner things than that. A lot of them had it coming.

That's true. That's true. But then there were a lot to get caught in the crossfire, too, right? Yeah. And then you got that embarrassing scene, right? Where they're in the class and they're talking about, was it Romeo Juliet they were talking about, I think? I think so.

Okay. And the teachers kind of making fun of Carrie, he's like, oh, it's such a BU. beautiful thing. It's like everybody's out to get this poor girl because she's so mousy and me. And I guess that kind of, I guess that kind of falls into like what you were saying about her, you know, always starting and ending every scene in a position of someone who's being religiously stoned or persecuted. So, yeah, maybe had a lot to say about persecution. It was a little bit over the top, you know, but then again, we were like that. I mean, I went to high school like in the 80s and, you know, this was a little bit before that, but we were fucking bullied.

man and we had clicks right like I was I was usually one of the nerds nerd group or the heads group which is the guys that smoked weed like behind the building and stuff like that but we would sometimes do things like play dungeons and dragons in the in the cafeteria

and then you had your jot group you know and then of course you had the gotts and the punk rockers and all that so you could see that clickishness in some of the scenes where they were having lunch outside and stuff like that but no I think think it's a, it's a really good movie. Start to finish. There's, there's a lot of great acting in

this, the characters are, we might get into a movie after this where, where I think, I think it gets a little off the rails with how the characters act, but at least in this one, there was some believability in everybody, and I could kind of understand the motivations, and who doesn't love that final prom scene, and just how it drags on and on and on, and her locking the doors on everybody and people burning alive and shit like that and just pretty brutal and then yeah that final scene with with her and her mom where she finally let her mom have it by letting all the knives fly was was pretty amazing even though in all fairness her mom did stab her first yeah yeah good movie man has a lot of messages in it it's uh it stands text of time

with your high school experience like do you feel like that's more of a caricature or That's, like, actually how it was. I think that the next movie we're going to review is going to have a lot of caricatures in it. Yeah. I think this one was maybe a little bit more spot on. I don't know. Just in my experience. Not in my high school.

It was nothing like either one of these movies. Yeah. You've told us that before, Brian. You've told us that. How was your high school different, man? I mean, there was bullying going around, but it wasn't to the extent of neither one of these movies. Right. Right. Sure. It was like more realistic shit.

They made fun of the weird kid for a minute. Yeah. There you go. And then moved on, right? Yeah. Well, because I don't know. I mean, I don't, I guess we sort of had like clicks on high school, but like I was sort of friends with everybody. So I didn't really belong to any of them. Right. And I felt like the high school movies were maybe more caricature. But it's been such a trope

But it's been such a trope for such a long time I'm like well you know Yeah maybe high school in the 70s and 80s was a little different Yeah And you gotta remember this movie was 76 So you know This was way before I was in high school So I can't believe this movie is that old

I didn't remember it being from the 70s For some reason I thought it was like You know kind of more of an early 80s movie So it yeah It definitely stands up in that respect. That's a good point, actually. It doesn't seem like it's... I mean, because you think it's something like The Exorcist, which is a classic,

and you know that it was made in the 70s or even... When was it? 73. 73. Okay. But it's got that feel to it. And this one... Sure.

Even though I guess it sort of has a 70s feel to it can almost just sort of transcend. decades. I would agree. Yeah. It kind of had that feel to it. Brian, what you think? A classic movie. Again, another movie we're reviewing where it's the classic tale of fuck around and find out. A movie full of horrible, horrible people. Think the wrong, motherfucking one. Even

the principal doesn't even care to even get her name right. Oh, yeah, Cassie. Then you got John Travolta. Yeah. Doesn't like to be called dumb, so he smacks the shit out of his girlfriend. Oh, yeah. Right. And how sadistic, what's the actress's name, Nancy Allen,

setting the whole thing up, even her reaction to John Travolta killing the pig. Mm-hmm. So, like, bloodthirsty. another standout character is Piper Lorry as Mrs. White, because she was a fucking nutcase. Yeah. I can see your dirty pillows.

Great role, though. She's the one that made this movie. Yeah, I can't. How terrifying was that portrayal of Jesus, the one on her little cross in her closet with the light of eyes? Yeah, kind of weird.

Yeah. But a lot of iconic scenes, a lot of iconic lines, they're all going to laugh at you. I've heard they use sampled in songs and stuff like that. Great cast. Yeah. William Cat, greatest American hero. I didn't like that he got took out by a bucket. Because apparently he's not knocked out.

He's killed by the bucket. No. Come on. I guess I never saw him again after that now that you mentioned it shit well he didn't have time to wake up the high school burned down so but yeah this is not not my favorite Stephen King movie but I think it's one of the more iconic ones because everybody knows the the prom scene the the image of her with the pig's blood all over her yeah so well and even walking in

street afterwards. I think it's pretty cool where she's all covered in blood. Yeah, why were they still at the school if they drove away? Because I know she didn't speedwalk to where they was and caused them to crash. I hadn't thought about that.

Yeah, I hadn't thought about that part. Re-watching it, it is a bummer that the gym teacher died because she's the one that had her back, but I guess she was just a casualty of what going on.

Yeah. Well, trapped in a burning building, you know. Back in the days when you could slap a student. When you're committing mass murder, it's hard to distinguish.

Well, in her mind, everybody was laughing at her, even though you could tell that person might not have been laughing. That's just what was in her mind. This is like the school shooter story before there were school shooters.

That's a good point, man. I hadn't looked at it that way. And then like that, that crazy, you know, kaleidoscope type look with all the different faces. Even the people that were straight-faced or shocked, when they get inside that kaleidoscope that she's looking through from her brain, they're all like just laughing. So she's like, that's how she's perceiving it. So, yeah, this could be like the first school shooter story, man.

I don't know. It's sort of what begets more school shooters, you know, I mean, because there's always going to be people who feel like every. Everybody's after them. Mm-hmm. Super paranoid. Yeah. I think it's definitely pretty iconic. One thing I got to say is they're not after you chill out.

You're going to run into assholes that happens, man. You've got to fucking deal with it. Part of life. Yeah. Don't fucking murder people. But, no, I think. think this is definitely a classic, a classic story with a lot of iconography and, and it works as one of Stephen Kig's best, I think.

Um, especially considering it was his first book. And I guess it was it the first movie adaptation from his? I'm sure it was, right? Yeah. I mean, the shining was pretty long time ago, but not that long ago. Yeah. And, uh, I, I mean, it was, it's just, it's kind of classic horror. It gives you a really classic story of somebody who's just been mistreated so long that they can't take it anymore and they explode.

And she just happens to have psychic powers. Right. Knocking over the ashtray in the counselor's room. All the teachers walk around smoking cigarettes. Which when we get to the second movie, I feel like they handle that situation a lot more. better eloquently or yeah because this one she moves shit with her mind and people see that it flips and they're just disregarding what they've seen right right right maybe it was just too close to the edge of the table yeah that that's why it flipped in the air yeah sure sure that's why it hit you in a face

inside a building um uh but yeah it's it's not my favorite uh i've i've i've i've I think it's on the must watch list of horror movies, but it's not, it's more towards the bottom of that list, I think. Great, classic, not my favorite. I didn't hate it. All right, scores. Lance, what do you think?

Eight on ten. Eight on ten. Good movie. Brian? I'm going to go a little bit higher. I'm gonna go nine. I think it's a classic. Oh, I am. There's not too much I can really say bad about it.

So, easy 9 on 10. Better than maximum overdrive, Brian? Just different, right? Production-wise, yes. Yeah. Overall entertainment, no. Right. Gotcha. Fair enough.

It's more of a classic horror movie, for sure, than a lot of Stephen King stuff. I'm going to go seven and a half on this one, I think. Okay. We're all around the same side. Yeah, no, I mean, it's definitely,

it's definitely really good. I kind of want to give it more. It's just, it's not my favorite. It's, maybe it's just because it's been so overdone at this point. Like, Carrie. I like this more stricter scoring from you this past couple of years. I know, right?

Yeah, we've got more of that. We've got more of that. But, I mean, like, Carrie has been around my entire life, and so this story has always been there, and it's always been sort of stolen from. And so maybe it just seems like a trope, and maybe it's not. Maybe it was the original.

Maybe it was the original. So maybe it deserves more than that, but I'm going to give it a 7.5. What do you guys predict Nez's score would be? 10 yeah 76 hell of good

all right on to the rage carry 2 from 1999 and it shows all your life you've known that you were different

must be nice not having to be like everybody else sometimes I really wish I could just be one of the shiny happy people you know come on this girl's just a skank you don't even know her what and you do I do know it.

The others don't understand you. At least be seen with someone cool, someone who counts. Maybe somebody needs to teach it to them a lesson. And they want you around. If you want to talk out your feelings. No. Well. A horrible, a horrible massacre strikes up after an outcast teenage girl.

is taunted by a group of high school jocks, all of them unaware of her cutthroat telekinetic powers. That sounds familiar. Director is Cat Shea, also known for Poison Ivy and Stripped to Kill. I've seen Poison Ivy. Is it Poison Ivy the one with, what's that girl? Drew Barrymore. Yeah.

Oh, Drew Barrymore. And the one. One I played Darlene on Roseanne. Oh, that's right. That's right. Well, I was thinking of a totally different thing. I do remember that.

I do remember that. Who's the girl from Who's the boss? What's her name? Alyssa Milano. Yeah, she's not in that. The sequel, I think. Oh, gotcha. I think that movie got like a few sequels.

So you might have seen part three or something. Well, at some point I got to see Alyssa Milano's boobs in one of them, I think. There you go. Yeah. There you go. A good chance you did. Writer is Raphael Moreau, also known for hackers. That's the 90s. Yeah.

Yeah, very 90s. During filming of the climactic party slash bloodbath sequence, it took three attempts to shoot Rachel using her telekinetic powers to shatter the glass doors. On the first take, Emily Burgle flinched, and on the second take, she showed her clenched teeth. On the third take, they were able to finish the scene as they wanted it with her showing no facial reaction. Real glass shattered by the blowers was used for this scene, and Emily received multiple cuts on her skin. That does not sound like a good idea. Back, arms, legs, and backside after the shooting of each take.

She is deliberately not shown afterwards from the back to hide her injury. What the fuck? Yeah, have you guys ever seen? That sounds like a lawsuit. I think it's on YouTube, like the behind the scenes of that. Uh-uh. No, got to check that out. Jesus Christ.

You don't have fake glass in 1999, guys? Get your shit straight. Come on. Well, hey, at least all the fire wasn't C.G. I know. I know, right? They bird people alive. on top of it. She was a trooper.

She was a super trooper, one might say. All right. Well, right, real quick. Let me see if I can pull him up. We just talked about a movie he's directing. One of the football players, the guy that's always carrying the camera film and everything.

Uh-huh. Elijah Craig, he's the director of Tucker and Dale. versus evil and a clown in the cornfield movie get it no kidding I thought it was I thought it was real cool that in this movie he's always

carrying the camera and realize he's kind of the director yeah look at that that makes sense that makes sense Tucker and Dale is one of my favorites that's a great movie it's a good one it's a good one I think that clown in the cornfield is going to be fun dude

I think we're going to enjoy that one but yeah they didn't have everybody 99 they didn't quite have everybody carrying their cell phones around yet, right? Yeah, I guess. So, it had to have like a little... Did anybody have any cell phones in this? I don't remember. I don't remember that they did.

I mean, I think that they were there by 1929. But they were like this big. That's when the little Nokia phones were around, right? Yeah, I didn't get one until I was like 21 or in my early 20. right? Lance, what did you think, man? Not as good as the first, that's for sure. Well, I mean, it wasn't horrible.

It wasn't horrible. You know, you've got one character coming back that was Sue Snell, right? Now she's like the school counselor or whatever, and so, you know, she's kind of like the, I guess, the link to the original one. And yeah, I guess they didn't show her dying the gym, right? Because her and John Travolta were outside looking through the window, so they made it or something like that? Oh, that was Nancy Allen. Sue Snell's the one that tried to stop it, and she got, she got away, and they had that fake out scene. Carrie's hand came out the grave.

Yes. Oh, yeah. Which they explained that in the movie because of what happened at the end of the first movie, that she actually got committed. And they bring that up. That makes sense. Yeah. It does make sense. All right, so they tie it together.

So that's obviously how she was able to tell really, really early. It wasn't like you guys were saying the ashtray scene. We're like, well, let's just pretend that didn't happen. Like they knew immediately. She gave her those five trick questions like, you know, do you ever see furry animals crawling all over you at night? Okay, no, all right. Do you ever make things move with your mind?

And she just stares at her. And she's like, okay, I know what's going. on here. She figured it out, you know, because she'd been through it before. So that was kind of I thought it was fairly clever the way they did that. This was kind of similar to the first and that you've got the jot guy who's, you know,

kind of the nice guy, trying to be the nice guy, and then you get all the others that are just complete dickheads. But I don't know. I found these guys to be kind of obnoxious and over the top. Like, you know, doing a list of how many girls you bang and assigning points to the chick based on, I guess, how

hard to get you think the other guys think she would be it seemed very arbitrary to me didn't it to you guys? Because there was like a super odd chick one of them made it with that they gave them a one and then there was kind of like well it was not so hot they gave them an eight or something it's like where they fucking coming up with these scores? Well they're

clearly no point system all right and they were like oh the fat chick and I was like you just showed her she's obviously not fat she's like a normal looking girl well it seemed to all be based off of what I think his name was Mark the main

the main one of the group 40 year old teenager the main yeah the main douchebag it seemed to be awful white because okay home in home improvement kid

bang right what's her name Mina Servi Mina Savari yeah oh yeah she's not

she's not good in this one yeah but because I guess she's a loner gosh chick yeah they give him like a low score score and he doesn't even want to he's trying to scratch it out because he doesn't want to acknowledge it.

You guys are really following what this main guy is thinking. That made no sense to me, dude. I fucking bang me in the Savari. Everybody's going to know about it. Believe me. He's fucking smoking hot, dude. And the chick that played well, her name wasn't Carrie in this.

What was her name? I guess it doesn't matter. The main protagonist. Rachel. She was cute, but like she was, she wasn't mean as of a very cute. Yes, in my opinion. That's just my opinion. She definitely was not the

hottest friend. So can y'all explain to me at the end when she broke out? Because she had a tattoo, of course, right? They both had it together, her and her friend. They were like friends for life. What's with all this weird, like, I don't know, it looked like vines growing all over or something like that.

Anybody... Is 90's special effects? Yeah. Somebody on the crew was like, guess what I can do? And they were like, okay, let's do it. Tribal tattoos are in right now. Let's go. Yeah, I guess.

I found that rather silly. I found a lot of the characters kind of silly. I just didn't necessarily believe how the hell they were coming up with who gets what point for what. But I'm getting super nitpicky about it. Yeah, you're really hung up on how they deal out points. I am. I'm a numbers guy, so I'm super hung up on that. But it was good to see, you know, see one character back from the original movie so you can have some kind of who kind of, you know, understood what was going on and kind of could kind of help her through it a little bit.

But not the movie. I sort of like the way that they sort of like tied it in, too. Like with the, like her dad was the same dad as Carrie's dad thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I like they tied that in. and I like that we didn't have to meet the dad. We just know this comes from this gene or whatever comes from him.

Yeah. And I'm sure they felt that they were just like, we don't really need this scene. Yeah. Thank you. No, we don't. Take the scene out. Yeah. Take the scene out.

Yeah, my overall assessment is that it was a big step down from the original. But I still had a little fun watching it. I'll put it that way. Well, and I think there were, what did the remake? come out after this or before yeah after right because there was Chloe Grace Marrano I know the TV one

came the Chloe Grace Moritz one came out 2013 and the TV movie came out sometime in the early 2000s okay so this is the next Carrie movie yes period it took a while they took a while 20 fucking years later

right All right. Brian, what do you think? I like this one. I think this is kind of a underrated 90s horror movie that doesn't really get talked a lot about. Yeah, it was very 90s. It was very nice. From the soundtrack to everything else.

Yeah. This whole movie was just one big tribal arm band. Yeah. The bullies, they were a little bit more over the top. in the original movie, but I think they wanted us to, they try to get the message across that these are the ones you're supposed to hate. These are going, these guys are going to get their comeuppance, and I like

that they had another basically prom scene at this, uh, rich douchebags, uh, summer home or parents. One of his homes, I don't know. That's right. And I thought some of the kills were pretty cool.

Yeah. they were I like the the one with the the not the not clue this girl because she looked like oh yeah not like I like silverstone yeah I like I like her glasses exploding in her face and then she turned around and shot the spear gun through the home improvement kids nuts yeah and like left them in the pool like it took the nuts with it right and then the pool covered the hit the dude in the head, knocked him out. That was actually kind of traumatic to me, because I almost, I almost, I almost drowned as a kid. So watching him slowly, watching him slowly just kind of die. I was just kind of like, oh, shit. I don't know if you bleed out your mouth while you're,

probably not, probably not, but you know. He was just trying really hard. Yeah, but this was another classic case of fuck around and find out. But not as good as as told as the original one. I don't think the original one's ever going to be topped. I think the closest we're going to get to it is if Mike Flanagan actually makes this carry series. Oh, that might be good.

Yeah. That'll be really good. But I still think this is an underrated 90s. Not classic or gym, but just like, I don't think it gets talked about. enough. Yeah, I had that, kind of had that

look to it like the craft or something like that. Yeah, the craft, the faculty. Sure. All them like high school horror movies. Yeah, I don't, I don't know that I ever watched this when it came out. I remember, I probably watched it in like 2000

or something, like whatever. Yeah, I think good. HBO or whatever. Me and Ness were talking about the, he asked what show we were doing next. I told him, carrying the rage carry two and he actually uh reviewed this for the first time he last year was the

first time he ever watched it and he ended up liking it so yeah that's why i say a lot of this is kind of underrated because uh sure at the low end it's decent it's not the greatest but it's entertaining yes it is like a lot of people have talked about it yeah i mean it's definitely not trash and and to be something that came out in 1999 that I completely missed I don't know that this one got the credit that it should have when it first came out I mean especially with people like Mina Savari I mean maybe she was I don't know if this was maybe super early in her career I think I think it was right yeah pretty young and but the kid from home improvement like I like I like you

He's a pretty big name. And then the other dude, he was in Dazed and Confused. Yeah, I had to make sure that was him because he has a twin that acts. Oh, really? No shit. Yeah, that was him. Why don't know that? But, yeah, I was all right.

It definitely was, it, it reeks of its time period for sure. and it's definitely got it's 90s stuff and it's a little bit over the top still works I think some of the some of the like little I don't want to call them flashback scenes but like you know when she would start getting weird out or whatever and they'd put something in black and white and shaking can thing or whatever like that was I mean I guess it worked for the time it I don't

know that it works. So, yeah, it definitely ages itself. But, uh, she did, uh,

she did American Pie right before this the same year. Oh, okay. Makes sense. So, maybe she was doing like both these movies sort of at the same time and, you know, you never know what's going to succeed.

She did this American Pie and American Beauty all in the same year. Oh, American. All-American girl. Yeah. Oh, yeah, the Band of Roses. Yeah, she's the one on the roses. That's right.

But yeah, I think it was a solid movie. You know, I mean, it wasn't bad. It's weird. It's weird that they took 20 years to make a sequel to Kerry, to be honest. Like, how is this not something that they just dogged on hard in the 80s? It worked for, it worked for Gladiator, too. and I didn't think you would. Did any of you guys play football?

Yep. Did your coach ever tell you to pull your pants down and bend over to see if you had a tampon hanging out your ass? That was very odd. That was very awkward. No, but it was funny. Yeah, that was very fucking awkward. I got some sand in your vagina? See, I wish they would have kept that scene and maybe has something involved in his parents to show us why he acts the way he does.

That makes sense. Instead of just having that one scene that maybe, you know, he wasn't always like this, but he had adults around him kind of pushing him towards his behavior. Yeah, so I kind of like that push on the modern movies where they'll take like. bullies or whatever and then go into their like personal life and you figure out why they are the way that they are because like these people are just mean for the sake of being mean a lot of times and those are not really evil characters with a lot of depth yeah i really wish they would have kind of like i said kept that scene with the coach and then maybe had something maybe his father or something yeah okay yeah that would be good a little depth to the character for sure

Sure. Even just a quick flashback, you know. Yeah, because all the other football players that was hanging around with him, they just kind of seemed like they were just following off of what he said. Right. Like there was the one major doucheback. Although, that's kind of how kids work too. If there's one major douchebag, a lot of kids will just fucking follow this douche's lead.

Got to make sure you fix that. But yeah, I think it was all right. It wasn't as good as the first one, obviously. It sort of seemed like a cheap 90s remake, which is kind of exactly what it was, and they just slacked the carry two on it. But it had enough talent to make it worth it, and it was a decent movie.

All right. Scores, Lance, what do you think? Six and a half. All right. Yeah, six and a half. I enjoyed it. I really liked it. Yep, really liked this one. It was fun.

The only things that kind of took me out was like, again, why was she growing tattoos all over at the end? They didn't make a whole lot of sense. Somebody in the special effects department just learn how to do it. I thought the characters were a little too over the top, but other than that, man, it stuck to landing. Six and a half. It's a good movie. Two-thirds good. Half a point better than night swim. Those exploding eyeballs were pretty awesome. I'll give you that.

Spear gun right to the nuts. Yeah. And then the little sack of bloody junk in the pool. Brian? I'm going to go a little bit higher seven and a half. Like I said, I think this is underrated. They did enough to make me feel that this movie was connected to the original one. And I thought the cast was pretty decent and some of the effects were pretty cool. And I think the bullies were over the top enough for me to want to see them get their comeuppance.

And they all did. Plus, plenty of innocent buyer standards. Except for Finch from American Pie who was sitting outside the party. Oh, yeah. Shit break. I'm surprised Stifler didn't show up on this one. Which I believe what he says is in the trailer. We're missing one killer party.

Okay. Those are the only two movies I've ever seen that guy in. Really? I think so. Surely he's been in more. Surely he's been in more. I'm sure he has. I don't know.

But yeah, no, immediately, as soon as I saw him, I was like, holy shit, it's shit break. Right? Yeah, no, I think six and a half is a good score for this movie. It's a, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's solid 90s horror ripoff. Yeah. Kind of the best description for it. Hey, it's, the kid from home improvement is like a, the blonde douchebag guy.

he plays the role perfectly. He plays the role. He's blonde until they all fucking shave their heads for some reason before the game. Yeah, I know. That messed me up because then I couldn't tell them apart. I was like, which guy's this? That looked like skinheads.

Yeah, I thought the one guy was going to keep his mohawk. At least I know which one you are. Yeah. That would have been great. That would have been fucking great, man. All right. So we enjoyed both movies, guys. That makes for a good week. So, again, birthday shoutouts. Thanks for picking the movies. And yeah, everybody who listens, we may or may not be able to honor all the birthday requests,

but we might be setting a Preston here. Who knows? So as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com. You can find us at The Horror Returns.com. You can find us at The Horror Returns.com and follow all of our social media from there, as well as hear the latest episode of the show. Next week, you guessed

it, werewolves again. I can't fucking believe this, guys. And you said, yeah, yeah, werewolves again. Steve's going to be back to talk about the howling through the marsupials. I'm kind of excited about that one.

Look, if you're going to get some weird werewolf shit, Australia seems to be... And that's where the marsupials are, sir. Well, we're also going to do howling for the original nightmare. So, Brian, until the horror returns again... It's a weird... ...night.