The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #46: Death Proof (2007) & The Fate Of The Furious (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: November 14, 2021

This week, Art Murillo joins us to talk drag racing movies. Thanks for listening!

victims for those of you who delight and dread who fantasize about fear, who glorify go welcome you have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers in the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. All of you who delight in dread fantasize about fear and glorify gore, welcome home. This is, of course, the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Or in some cases, the car racing, I guess.

Yeah. Definitely will never end. Each episode we seek out and review a brand new movie, and then we go back and find a classic work that has similar themes. We look at both similarities and differences. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation. But we also want to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and political climate of the times.

We do include spoilers for the new film. However, we will wait until the very end of the show, to spoil the new feature, and we will let you know before we do so with a spoiler alert, a very distinctive one. You'll know when you hear it. If you don't wish to hear the spoilers, just simply turn us off at that point, and we promise you won't miss a thing. You can go check out the movie, come back, take your finger off the pause button, and listen to the rest of it at that time if you want. Now, we generally assume that you guys, if you're listening, you've already seen the classic film,

so there's always going to be spoilers when we're discussing anything that has been out for at least a year. The other thing that we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Philip. And tonight, all the way from the Sunshine State, is that California or Florida? Florida, Art, it's the Sunshine State. That would technically be Florida. Okay, so California is what?

The legal weed state, right? The legal weed, the golden... Geez, that's a... I was in Texas for a few years, and everyone knows to Texas about, but I can't really run it. All right, well, we... Golden State, all right. We got our buddy, Art Marillo on the show with us tonight

to talk some drag racing movies and stuff like that. So what's going on with you, Art? What else have you been doing lately? Much, man. Just work. Usually busy with work. And as we record this, Easter's just a day away, doing that. And just, you know, the same old, same old and getting to hang out and listen to a horror returns podcast and a lot of other podcasts.

And a lot of other podcasts I love to listen to. So have you, have you been on any other shows lately? Any other podcasts? I think you might have heard of him. actually, I guess he was supposed to be on today. Lance hit me up. We're looking for a real good host for this weekend. I'm like, oh, cool, you think I'll be a good host?

He's a no, but Denny Louis couldn't make it. So we're asking you to be on it. Yes, oh, I didn't do that. That was kind of rude. But Denny Louis and After Midnight Podcast, which I'm a big fan of, and he's doing great. I guess I'm pretty sure another guest of yours, Pedro Nunez. Yes. he has that one that I listen to

Keith I will listen to and a guy that I'm going to recommend that I think would be a perfect fit for your show is my buddy Fonzo Salazar he has his own podcast called the bad boy podcast but he is very very

big into horror into the fact that he what did he do he puts it on Facebook are you friends with him on Facebook by his chance Lance? Yes he met three chasins one day and they weren't like at a convention they were signing like all across

because he lives in San Diego I think he went to Hollywood into Burbank and then to San Diego and got all their signatures in one day no shit that's so this guy's dedicated and I know you guys had the Fright Fest coming up out here we have a own version of that

it's called Monster Poulouza and he just went last weekend so that dude I think he would do great with you you guys he you guys get off for hours Yeah, absolutely. I will send him out a message, for sure. Oh, yeah, he's a big, big horror guy, like, huge.

I'm talking to, like, you know, he's almost a horror hipster at this point. Right? So he's like, have you seen this movie? And he's like, he looks at you, and rolls your eyes and just keeps on walking, you know? Like, oh, yeah, I've seen that one. Yeah, the question is how many times, right? Yeah. Well, you've seen the director's cut?

No. I do you know there's director's got and then just yeah I thought so but no no just hanging out guys and what about you yeah just uh getting I think we're all getting ready for Easter as as we record this so this is like our our big window of opportunity tonight because I know my wife's got stuff planned for me all right so art I know you listen to the show so you are familiar with our segment cool of the week yeah so you go first my friend what uh what did you check out this week that you're glad you checked out. This was a great week for a lot of different trailers that came out.

I'm pretty sure we're going to talk about a few of them here. But just yesterday, down in Orlando, they have the annual Star Wars celebration, which for the people that don't know, it's like pretty much just a big convention, all surrounded around Star Wars. But every year, since the movies came out, this is the 40th one, I believe, they pump out something special for the fans there. And now with the advent of, you know, people that stream stuff live, they actually, released the newest trailer for uh or the first trailer not the newest trailer the first trailer for

uh star wars the last jedi right so uh that's my quote of the week so far like i said uh earlier or i know that you're a big trekkie to the fact that uh i think what your rank is a lieutenant admiral in the star fleet but uh this is pretty cool lieutenant admiral huh no man i'm just i'm just an incident at this point uh are you a red shirt made it that far i am a red shirt should I'd be worried about it. No, you're still alive, man, so you're doing all right. This time to die. Yeah, I am.

Definitely more of a tracky art, but actually last year, the Rogue One made it into my top five of the year, and the new Star Trek movie didn't. So, no, I do like Star Wars, man. Yeah, I'm glad to see that you're not, like, some of these people, they're just blinded, that they pick aside, and that's just it. and you're actually open-minded to say, okay, it wasn't that great, you know, but still have hope and passion for best ones.

And that's the thing that's with this, Star Wars, man, they have not really, since the prequels, you know, those awful things that a lot of people want to forget, you know, they're doing decent. Right. And I think that's why there's a lot of anticipation for this next movie.

I'm excited about it. The poster by itself is pretty kick-ass. That poster is, it's classic. Yeah, it goes back to, you know, it draws a lot of inspiration from like the original original movie. Yeah.

Very, very old school. Yeah. Which is pretty cool. All right. Yeah. I would have to say that's my cool. Well, that was, that was a, that was a big one, dude. What about you, Brian?

Oh, shit. I've been fast and furious out this whole week. You always have to watch it. Yeah. There's like 18 of the little. movies. Yeah, and it confirmed one thing.

I am not a fan of Tyrese, man. He is fucking annoying in these movies. He is a little bit, isn't he? He's whiny as shit. But, uh, yeah, who's a fan of Tyrese? Go ahead.

Oh, no, I said, you know who's a fan of Tyrese? My wife, she fucking actually met him at a convo convention and, and almost got drugged off by the security guard because she took a picture with him. So he, he, he,

He was there in a big... I used to go to San Diego Comic Convention. And if you ever seen videotape or any thing on YouTube, it's crazy. So he was just there. But he had like his little, you know, security. You know, he had two, three bodyguards. And she asked to take a picture with him. He said it was cool, but one of the security guards, I guess, in here,

and grabbed my wife. And I was a few steps behind. But it was... He was actually really cool about it. So nothing happened. Oh, man. I had pictured that in my head as like dragging, screaming, no, Tyrese, I want to take a picture with you.

I started to interrupt you, Brian. Oh, that's cool. Other than that, you know, my not so cool as a week, I don't want to say R.R.P. to Don Rickles and Charlie Murphy. Oh, yeah. I actually, I actually met Charlie Murphy and we hung out for a little bit a few years ago. And a super nice guy. and very, very laid back, you know, very, um, open to talking to people, you know, fans and stuff.

Right. So, uh, yeah, that was, that was just in Don Rickles, you know, both of them are super funny. So long as keep his feet off couch. Yeah. So, yeah. But yeah, besides the Fast and Furious, I, I didn't really watch too much. Philip? Man, uh, I, I rewatched, uh, the first half of,

of it. Ah, okay. The second half is just a little easy. Yeah, the good half. The good half. Yeah, man, it held up. It was super creepy. And then rewatched the trailer for it again.

Kind of getting psyched about that, man. I'm, I'm ready for it. It looks super scary. Right. And aside from that, that's a work in Little League, man. That's taking over my life. Yeah, that'll take a lot of time up on it. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't really have a cool of the week TV show or movie-wise. Better Call Saul started again. I was fucking bored out of my mind with the first episode. Just nothing happened. Really? Yeah, and it was even an hour and a half long episode, and it was just nothing happened. I just didn't. I was like, I expected a little bit more out of it.

It's almost, almost get the feeling like they're really, really milking it to try to squeeze as many seasons out of it as they can at this point. And it's kind of got me a little bit concerned that they're going to take, kind of like the Walking Dead's doing right now, they're going to take a really long time to get through everything. Oh, yeah. But I guess time will tell.

But, um, now my cool of the week was a book that I, that I finished reading. It's kind of got quite a bit of cult status. Have you ever heard of a book called House of Leaves? Oh, no. I don't know. It's, yeah,

it's pretty hard to describe. It's, it's, you, you can almost kind of say it's about, a guy's descent into madness. The main character is like kind of a would-be tattoo artist that works for a guy. And he stumbles upon this book. They find a guy that was a neighbor that's an older guy that's dead, and he was writing a book

that was about these people that lived in a house, that when they measured the house, like the inside measurements were bigger than the measurements from one end of the outside of the house to the other end of the outside of the house. So they're like, there's something funny is going on here. And then they find a door, and the door in the house leads to another dimension. So I guess this guy, apparently he was, he was, uh, riding it and it drove him to madness and he ended up killing himself. And then the kid stumbles upon the book.

It's actually pretty cool. House of Leaves. He guys might want to, might want to check it out. It's a little hard to read because as the guy gets crazier and crazier, a lot of the stuff is kind of like more like scribblings. doesn't have a whole lot of sense. That's kind of cool, though. Yeah, it kind of adds to

to make it kind of interesting. So, uh, that's it for cool of the week, huh? We finally got our cable for Deadpool 2. And it is Josh Brolin. Ah, planet terror. That's interesting.

Yeah. And my question is, is he still going to be Thanos for Avengers? Yeah, I wonder how that works. I guess so. film companies, right? Because cable is owned by Fox and Marvel was obviously owned by Disney and they have not

to have the best work in relationship. There's a lot of Somebody's double-lipping. Yeah, I'm curious how he got that done which is cool because with Donos if you really think about it, he's not I mean, they might have to do some motion capture

and his voice and I mean it's getting pretty much what they do with Groot and Rock Raccoon really. right to think about it yeah he phone that one if he needs to

yeah that's what I'm saying yeah and what I understand go ahead oh no I said the cable one obviously

he's gonna have to you know he's gonna have to actually be on screen right yeah he's signed a four picture

deal with them so oh wow yeah which probably most likely he'll be in the X-Force

movie oh yeah that makes sense but yeah I thought it was interesting casting you know

I didn't even hear his name, even being mentioned with anybody else's name. I didn't either, but I'm super cool with it. I like that guy. He works. Yeah, I'm cool with it too. Well, Dead, yeah. I mean, when I heard his name, it was pretty, you know, he's a solid actor. I mean, even in crappy movies, you can count on that guy to give a solid performance. True. Very true.

He's been in some good ones, but, I mean, if you think about it, Deadpool kind of looks a little bit like Green Lantern, don't you guys think? Yeah, I can see that. I'm actually a big X-Men, X-Men. I grew up on X-Men, so the story of the cable itself, they're going to have a field day with because his comic book history or origin gives the normal comic reader a headache. So I'm really curious to see how they're going to explain that.

Well, they're already jumping into the whole time warp, all that stuff, and it's kind of messing them up. So, yeah, we put Kipat cable in the mix. It makes it that much more complicated. Yeah, Art, since you're a big X-Men fan, do you think they should just continue with what they got or just reboot the whole thing? I wish they were.

As far as the main movies. Blow that shit up and start over, man. Yeah. This is what I tell people all the time. Like I said, right now we're living in an abundance of fucking riches. Just imagine, you know, we're all similar ages. So imagine when you're 12, 13 and say, oh, there's a transformer movie. There's a new next to a movie.

Right. You could see it. You would take whatever you get, but now I don't want to see this next transformer movie. I haven't even seen X-Men apocalypse. And I'm as big as an X-Men fan as you can get. And I'm like, why? I mean, I would just, I don't know the association with Brian Singer and the movies, it just, they need to, you know, I know people don't like Zach Snyder in the D.C.

movies, right? feel the same way or even worse with Brian Singer. They used me to blow up the X franchise. All but Deadpool, they did a good, they finished Wolverine Strong. They're doing, they got a good thing with Deadpool. I think they need to blow up the X franchise and start fresh, man. That's what I would do. I'm in total agreement with everything you just said.

Absolutely. Well, except I still like the X-Men series, but I'm ready for it to be over. You mean completely over? Like, that's it? well no just like a reboot. Yeah, like a reboot. I mean, it's just so funny. They have so much rich history to pull from,

and they've just tarnished everything. I actually, I like the cast from the X-Men Apocca's movie. Even though I haven't seen the movie, I like the cast. But the way they've told the story, they're almost like the B-team now. You know, they started with these other, you know, after X-Men first class, they kind of rewrote the X-Men history,

even though S-Men First Class was a very good movie, it kind of jumbled up the whole storyline of the X-Men. Yeah. Yeah, especially when you've got a whole series of movie and you're messing with time, that always messes things up. And, yeah, they've gone off on too many tangents. It's gotten two out of hand.

It's time to reel it back in and start something new. Jason, if you should pass, would have been the perfect time to reboot. Like, okay, you put a nice bow on it. Wolverine went back. Right. He fixed the time stream. You had both cast kind of intermingling.

I'm like, what else do you want from that? You should just right then, okay, blow it up, do something new. And you still could have made a Wolverine movie on its own, you know, but what do I know? Yeah. Okay. Moving on to our next. We are getting a new labyrinth movie from Evil Dead and Don't Breathe director, Fette Alvarez. I heard about that.

Yes, it will not be a remake. It will be a continuation of, I guess, because there's so much to be told within that universe. So I guess it's going to be a different story than what we got in the first one, basically, from what I'm reading about it. A lot of mythology, huh? Yeah, and I'm cool with Fedei Averyz. You know, I've liked all this movie so far. Yeah. I'll take it.

you know what I do like I like that concept of staying in that world even though there might not be anything like you said it's not a sequel but it's kind of you know it's not I'm sorry it's not a reboot but it kind of stays in that world I think that's a cool concept you know

yeah it's more of a continuation in that universe type of right right moving on to another director Edgar Wright his next film might be an adaption of Arthur

Andrew Smith, young adult novel Grasshopper Jungle. What the fuck is that? Okay, I'm going to read a quick little, I guess synopsis of what the book is about. In a small town in Ealing,

Iowa, Austin and his best friend Robbie have accidentally unleashed an unstoppable army, an army of horny, hungry, six-foot-tall praying mantises that only want to do two things. I don't know. Edgar Wright doing this movie

I kind of want to watch it Who wouldn't want to watch that? It sounds awesome Your guys' thoughts on this It sounds awesome Art, what do you think? Well, I mean, he threw the right name out there, Edward Wright.

I mean, first of all, it's an original story. I mean, so we've got to be grateful for that. But I think, you know, done right, I would almost think it would would this be like an animation type thing or what? That's the only thing I'm curious about. But I check it out. Yeah, as far as I found out about it, I think it's live action.

That's any cool with six-foot grasshoppers, bro. I mean, I'm all down for that. And they're horny. And they're only here for two things. And not two bubble gum, right? Ah, you stole my line. So is this going to be like a newer version of, what was, Earthgirls are easy or something like that?

It might be. We talked about TNT doing a TV series of Let the Right One in. Well, they have since dropped the series. They originally had ordered a pilot, but since had backed out. But the studio, or what is the studios name? Tomorrow Studios are still optimistic the story.

The series will land on another network. Okay. Which I was kind of looking for. You know, I like the movie. I also like the remake. Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing it if it still comes out. Yeah.

I did a little digging into it. This is like the second network that's dropped it. So I don't know if there's a problem with the script. Because I think originally it was supposed to be on AMC. Mm-hmm. And they are. also turned it down.

I guess we shall see if it lands on another network. Let's see what we got here. The bride of Frankenstein could be the next movie after the mummy in the Universal Monster. Right. This is the one with a shared universe. One with Angelina Jolie?

They're still basically what they said. They're still targeting her as a lead role. It's not confirmed. I think she would be great in the role. Mm-hmm. And, you know, I've not really seen her much lately. She's been directing.

She's directed a couple of movies. Yeah. What else? Bright of Freckstein. Bill Condon, who just recently did Beauty and the Beast, is in Toxta direct. Hmm. And from the rumors, they said they might be trying to turn Tom Cruise's character, basically, into Van Helsing. Yeah, that's the buzz.

I've heard that that would be the linchpin tied in all the movies would be Tom Cruise's character, right? Right. Yeah, which I have no problem with him being the bandhousing time. Yeah, especially coming out of the whole mummy thing. I think that's kind of a cool idea. And yeah, it's been a very slow week, so that is all the news. Well, it hasn't been a slow week in trailers, so you boys ready to take a little trip. Are we going down to the trailer park?

We are. Double wide edition. Yeah, double wide, baby. I don't know. Put me on the spot, man. That was too quick. I'm talking to two native Texans here. I'm just going to offend someone, so I just picked the safe route.

It's all good, man. Let's take a look at the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about? First one we are going to talk about is the hitman's bodyguard, starring Ryan Reynolds, Salma Hyac, Elodie Young, Gary Oldman, and Samuel L. Jackson, directed by Patrick Hughes. And recommended for Philip by who? I believe Patrick.

I believe you're right. That fucking guy is at the UFC fight tonight. I saw that. Oh, he's actually there? Yeah. Oh, wow. Where are they at tonight? Kansas City, I think.

Oh, wow. I know Dmitrius Johnson fights. That's pretty cool. Yeah. You could have another title, huh? Well, not another one. Win another title. Another title.

There you go, yeah. So, did you guys watch the regular trailer or the red band trailer? I watched the red band. I think I watched the regular one because it came on before Fate of the Furious. Oh, okay. Oh. Oh, you saw in the theaters. Yeah, you should have seen the Red Band.

They let Sam, they let Sam Jackson go out of it. Oh, no, yeah. He had a lot of, a lot of F bombs. This is, this is Pulp Fiction, Samuel L. Jackson. Huh. He's in rare form in this one.

I like it. Which they kind of poke fun at it in the movie where Ryan Reynolds basically says he single-handedly ruin the word, motherfucker. Right. Can I get a please? motherfucking please

I had no knowledge of this movie coming out and as far as I'm concerned it looks like a fun little action comedy right it looks amazing dude yeah Patrick hit it up the head yeah I'm psyched about this one

there's just like two of my favorite people in the world in a movie together doing what they do and a couple people we didn't even see in the trailer you know Gary Oldman you know he's badass and the actress

E. Lodi Young, if you guys don't know her, she plays Electra on the Daredevil TV series, or Netflix series. Ah, okay. So she's also in this movie. Cool. So, yeah. Have you guys seen the new poster? There's a new

poster that came out. I don't know if you've seen it for this movie. It's pretty much the bodyguard with Whitney Houston and Kevin Costner. Okay. It's with Samuel L. Jackson and Ryan, not Ryan Gosling, I'm sorry,

uh, brain farting here, but, uh, Brian Reynolds. Yeah. Okay. So,

hmm. It's kind of funny that he's pulling that stick out of the dead pole also into this. And he's, he's like carrying Samuel Jackson? No, Samuel Jackson's carrying him. Oh,

okay. That's funny. Well, I mean, they did, they did put the theme song in the trailer, so. Right. Yeah.

It works for me. You know, my wife's seen it, and she was crazy. out. Oh, yeah. Looks hilarious. I believe we got a release date for this, August 18th.

Oh, wow. Okay, not too far away. Our next trailer will be the bad batch. Oh, it looks great. Starring. Now, get this cast right here. Jason Mamoa, Keanu Reeves, Jim Carrey, Diego Luna, Giovanni Rabisi

and the main girl we've seen in the trailer is Suki Waterhouse The name is familiar But what has she been in? What was the Suki Stackhouse? Yeah, I was to say Suki Stackhouse from

Maybe that's what I'm thinking of She is known for The only thing I recognize here is Insurgent and Pride and Prejudice and Zombies Is what she's known for. Yeah, I was thinking of the vampire books, too, guys. Oh, okay.

Was it Charlie? I don't know what the hell's going on in the previews, but this movie looks cool as shit. Super indie, super weird, but maybe a cult classic. Totally agree. And then you got Keanu Reeves with his, he looks like he's a porn director or something. Yeah. And I don't know if you guys caught Jim Carrey in the trailer. I did.

The hermit guy. No. He got the weird sunglasses. He's like walking through the desert. Are you serious? Yeah, that was Jim Carrey. Oh, my God. This is directed by the same director who did that Iranian film.

A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night. Have you got seen that? I have not. About the vampire? That's a really good little independent, low-budget movie. It's on Netflix. Yeah, I started watching it. It's probably good, man.

It's really bad. It's in black and white, right? Yeah, you got to check it out. It is in black and white. Yeah, I think I've seen a part of it. Yeah. Yeah, this is another one. I'm definitely going to watch.

It looks weird enough. It just might be like, like Phillips said, it might end up being like a cult classic. Cult classic. Yeah, it's got that written all over it. So we got a release date of, let's see here. June 23rd. Man, I'll be there.

Yeah. Okay, a couple TV series, upcoming TV series, got trailers. First one we're going to talk about is the Mist. Yeah. And... Why? Why?

You're not down for the Miss TV series? Hell no, dude. The movie is all we needed. Why do we need a TV series of this? And you're a Stephen King. I love Stephen King. My favorite author of all time. Apparently, Stephen King's seen it, and he's

given the thumbs up to it. And he's also... Brian, if you tell me one more fucking Stephen King project that he makes money off of, that he's given a green light to, I'm gonna fucking... I don't know what I'm going to explode, man.

Of course he's going to say that. Speaking of that, our next Tritonams plan. I'll check it out. I mean, I believe it's going to be on spot. like, so. I don't have a lot of hope, but, you know.

Didn't look bad. Well, if you guys check it out and like it, Art, are you going to give it a try? Well, I was really, like you said, the movie left you, I don't know if it left you wanted more, especially with that ending, but I'll check it out. It looks kind of cool. It looks like you have something on the background. Right. I don't know, you know, I'd like to see maybe to get some answers, a little more answers on

what the mist is, you know, besides the, you know, being a creature from a parallel universe or so like that. But it looks decent. I hope it has a happier ending. That's all I know. Not really going to go through the cast list because I don't recognize anybody, really. Right.

But we got a release date of, sorry, guys, June 22nd. Okay, cool, perfect summer show. Yep. On to a series that it looks really fucking cool to me is American Gods. Oh, yeah. Have you got any

you guys read this book by any chance? I have, I haven't read the book. I haven't read it, but I heard there's a lot of crazy shit that goes on. Yeah, for it being just one book, they did a spinoff book. Not even the main character, of one of the side characters.

I read this book, like, I don't know, six, seven years ago. It was a while ago. But I really liked the concept. And I liked the book, but I never got all the, because it gets a lot of, praise. It gets a lot of praise as being

a real great book. But seeing this trailer, it's like holy crap, like seeing this stuff, there's really, it's a really, really cool concept and I'm really high on this show. Mm-hmm. And a couple of, I'm going to watch it because, I mean,

a few actors that are in this is Ian McShane, Crispin Glover, and Peter Stormare. That's a great. Yeah, they have a real cool. Great cast. Yeah. Great cast. Like I said, the concept's cool. a couple of your guys's favorite uh jillian anderson oh look at it is also in here

so uh hey you had me it in mcshane yeah no kidding man taking a little time out from the john wick movies yeah and i believe this is going to be on stars yeah that's the only thing that sucks for me dude is i don't have stars that's like the one pay network i don't have so i guess i'm have to fucking pay for that too. Yep, and we got a release date of April 30th. Oh, man. Right around the corner. Okay.

On to our two biggest trailers of the week. First one, we're going to talk about it's Thor Ragnarok. This looked like a Flash Gordon trailer to me, man. It looked fucking amazing. Okay.

cast list, Chris Hemsworth, Kate Blanchett, Idris Alba, Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Jamie Alexander, Carl Urban, Anthony Hopkins, Mark Ruffalo, Tessa Thompson, and Jeff Goldblum. Hmm. And a partridge in a pear tree, huh? Exactly. The trailer fucking look amazing because I'm not, I didn't hate the Thor movies, but if I had to rank the MCU movies, they wouldn't be higher on my list. the first one was okay

like they were they're definitely not bad but they're not super memorable yeah yeah it got my attention when they said the Hulk was going to be in this but I think I'm anticipating the trailer I think I'm anticipating this more than spider-man because out of the three Marvel movies coming out in the MCU Guardian Spider-Man and Thor Thor was like third but after this trailer and the last Spider-Man trailer, that kind of swapped for me. I can see that. Because I wasn't super impressed with the last Spider-Man.

I still think we're going to get the best Spider-Man we've gotten, but there was some things that could have been left out of the trailer. Yeah, I think you're right. I went back and watched it, and I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, the whole scene. Yeah, that could have been left out. I was like, man, spoiler alert in the trailer. Come on.

But as far as this, I can't wait. November is a long way. Yeah, and like you said, this one is, it's fun. I like the way, you know, the color scheme right off the bat like Atlanta, it gave you the vibe of Flash Gordon, and it just seems like a fun movie as opposed to the DC movies. It looks like Marvel knows what's up, you know, with the Garden of the Galaxy, and these are more aimed that you're going to have, you know,

go to the day and actually have a good time instead of being depressed and upset. Right. So I'm really really looking forward to that when my kids, like, kids saw it and they couldn't believe it. And the, the Ragnarok, at least in the comics and from the Norse mythology, kind of means like they're apocalypse. Right. So it looks cool, but I really can't wait.

Like you said, before when all the hype about this movie, yeah, whatever. But now with that trailer, they really hit a whole run with that trailer. Yeah, that scene where the Hulk comes in and he's like, yes. I know that guy. he's a friend from work yeah made it man that was funny but how come the Hulk didn't seem to know him

because he's a Hulk he's crazy yeah he doesn't like him remember yeah he doesn't like him from we'll be seen in the movies he considers him a pretty boy or something just so he's hitting him plus Thor could take it

you know he Thor could take the punishment yeah honestly I don't I don't want to see another trailer from them. I think this is enough. Yeah? They'll come out with 16 more. Yeah. Because we've gotten like seven Transformer trailers. Yeah, so what was the music?

What was the music they were playing? Was it Immigrant Song, Led Zeppelin Immigrant? Oh, yeah. That was great too. Yeah, they do a good job. Marvel does a good job with their trailers. They hadn't done a movie wrong yet. And got a pretty good up-and-coming director. Lance helped me with a pronunciation of his name.

Oh, this is Tai Tai Waikiki or... He's the New Zealand guy. My listener, Reid Wilson can help us with that. Reid, can you help us with that? Yeah, he did the vampire movie, what we do in the shadows. Yeah, and the... Oh, really? Yeah, he's actually in the movie.

Swear Wolves movie? Yeah. Yeah, this guy's good. This guy's really good. Yeah, so... It should be a fun movie. Yeah, I think we're on agreeance. We're all going to see this definitely.

November 3rd is release date. Oh. And to our final trailer, Star Wars, the Last Jedi. What? Star Wars. What's that? Some kind of newfangled sci-fi movie or something? Yeah, they just started recently.

Right. pretty much the cast of episode seven is returning except for Han Solo well yeah I want to know before anybody else chimes in on this I want to know what art had to say about it because that was his cool of the week was the celebration yeah I'm just going through my thing here's the thing I originally was a little upset because I feel for these guys they'd go to these conventions and they They broke them off just a tiny bit.

I was hoping we'd see a little bit more in the trailer. But now, you know, a day later, it's like, well, you know what? They know they got our money. But it looks pretty cool. I'm really looking forward to see what relationship Luke and Ray have. I want to see what's going on with Kylo Ren. Is he going to be still a whining little baby? Or is he actually going to step up?

Yeah. So, I'm so, you know, there's so many questions that we're, we're left with, I, I can't wait. I'm actually a little more excited to see Thor because it was a more upbeat trailer, but Star Wars knows how to pull your strings, and as the closer we get, I'm pretty sure that we'll be dropping some more trailers like we were talking about earlier, and just, you know, I can't wait. You know, we, this is just a tradition now since my oldest son is eight, so since the last

one, Force Awakens came out, he was six. We go, you know, opening night. So that's what we do now. And it's kind of cool. It's one of the few movies I'll take my kids to, my kid and my wife and go see opening night too. So we're looking forward to that. He's seen the trailer like 30 times already. He can't wait.

Yeah. Speaking of Kylo Ren, the scene with Vader's helmet barked and smashed, do you think he did that? What? Yeah, I don't know. Was that Kylo Ren's helmet? I was thinking of Kylo Ren's helmet because he had Vader's helmet like on, I don't know on display in this in episode seven he had to sit in like ashes or something yeah yeah see here's the thing i have just a theory you know he obviously has a unhealthy obsession with vader right i wouldn't

you know you know how he suffered some injuries at the end of uh force awaken i wouldn't be surprised that he has some sort of mechanical enhancements you know uh in the new one to to you know he got injured and he's just jumping at the chance like you know get his vader on and put some prosthetic to be more Vayner like. Maybe he smashes his helmet and goes Vader helmet. Oh, yes. A couple of, a couple of new additions to the cast, Laura Dern and Benicio del Toro. What?

Laura Dern. Oh, yeah, Laura Dern, okay. From Jurassic, Jurassic Park. Yeah. For some reason, I was thinking, Lina, Alia Dunham on it. Oh, no. But I can get down with Laura Dunn. She's all right. She's, I kind of had her resurgence here lately.

She's been a lot more movies here the last few years. Yeah, well, she was in that HBO series, Big Little Eyes. Girl. Oh, yeah, yeah, big little lie. Oh, she was. Yeah, yeah. Hmm, that seems like weird casting, but I guess they're Star Wars. They can do whatever they want, right? Oh, no, I'm saying enough. As Star Wars, they've done enough to actually gain our respect and our trust.

So, you know, we trust them because they've actually been doing decently, even Rogue 1 and Force Awakens. You know, they're batting pretty good, have a pretty good batting average. Big time. I agree, man. I agree. And just like episode seven where Daniel Craig played an uncredited Stormtrooper, I guess Tom Hardy will be playing a stormtrooper in this one. Oh, okay. Wow.

Dream come true, huh? That'd do it. And if anybody didn't know, which they probably did, the release date is December 15th. December 15th, nice. All right. And you heard it's your first, Darth Vader helmet on Kylo Ren. Oh. Oh, that would be fucking amazing.

Set the Doomsday clock now, right? Yep. I'll watch what happens. I'm going to run around like I scored a golden soccer. The only thing is that you'll be doing that. and everyone like what's what's wrong with this guy why do you're on the shirt off off that's like another they weren't aware of the bet we made it did not listen to the horror returns podcast

to be aware of that bet so yeah they should have listened they need to listen next time god damn it just Phil just do the fee advertising and just put before you go in just write horror returns on your chest and your back so I'm like tattooed on my forehead there you go we're doing it well the first bit of listener feedback is not listen or feedback. I'm just going to remind you guys about a couple of horror conventions that we are going to be at. And if you guys want to come hang out and see us, we'll be there. The first one's going to be the Texas Fright Mirror weekend. It's May 5th, 6th, and 7th in Dallas.

And it's going to be super awesome. We've got, man, they added a bunch of people since the last time I looked at it. They've got the guys from Bates Motel there now. Freddie Highmore, Max Thoreau, Nestor, Carbonell. So like some of the main people from that, almost the entire cast of 31, minus Rob Zombie's wife and Rob Zombie himself. But including Michael Malcolm McDowell. Was that you, Brian? Yes. we got

a Susperia 10th anniversary celebration with Dario Argento himself really? No shit. Wow. A whole bunch of people from Susperia.

Some guys from the thing. We got Wilford Brinley Thomas Waits, Keith David, Dean Cunley. Now was that the guy in the roller skates? Is he going to

be there? Well, was that? Maybe. The cool dude, dude, on the roller skates, man. I don't think that was him. I don't think that was him. I can't remember the guy's name. But Wilford Brimley's going to be there. That's the important part.

All right. That guy was still alive. I know. I didn't. I thought he had the diabetas. He was done by now. Is he still throwing the oatmeal or what's going on? That's what I thought.

Oh, wait. Is that that guy? We got a few guys from Walking Dead and about a thousand other shows. You're going to be a whole bunch of people there. We got also the very next weekend is coming Comic Palooza in Houston. May 12th through the 14th. We'll be there too. Robert in England is going to be there.

Freddie. And Finn Jones from Iron Fist. What a? Hey, hopefully, Finn Jones has done a little bit more martial art practicing. Yeah, you might want to skip that one. I want to see him fight Jason David Frank. We'll see how that goes because he's going to be there, the Green Ranger, with Amy Joe Johnson, the Pink Ranger.

And more authors than I can count from some big name stuff, a lot of writers. people from the Walking Dead. It's going to be a bunch of people there too. So we're excited about all those. And then we've got a couple of emails in this week. Let's see. We have a question from Denny Louis. Says, what up, Lance Brian and Philip Hennessy.

Hey, they used to call me that in the armor. Here's an important question. So with the ghost of the shell, box office business, not doing so well. How does that affect Black Widow solo film that Marvel has been hinting at? If the star, Scarlett Johansson, flops in a film that's tailor made for the Marvel fanboy. Talk amongst yourselves. I don't think it affects it at all. No?

No, I think it was the subject matter of the movie. Right. Yeah, I agree with you 100%. It's just people are a little more politically or, I don't know, sensitive. at this time. So I think her being the lead actress, I believe, maybe wasn't,

you know, a few years ago wouldn't have got that much attention, but I don't know, the cultural shift right now, I think just made it, you know, that much more easy to pick on.

Yeah, I think if they did a Black Widow movie, I think it would be very successful. Yeah, I mean, you got Wonder Woman coming out this year, and, you know, that's,

you know, a strong female lead, and she's actually, you know, been that character for, geez how long now since Iron Man 2 so so yeah she you know she's ingrained in that character and is a

popular character I don't think I don't think I'll suffer that kind of backlash yeah it really really sucks for ghosts in the show because I would have estimated to lose $60 million dollars that sucks man I really I really enjoyed that movie and I did not expect to so I hate I hate hearing that

But I do, I would say this. I would say that that in the Black Widow movie are kind of like apples and oranges. Yes, it's the same actress, but other than that, I see almost no similarities. I'm with you guys. I don't think it'll affect it one bit. I don't think it'll affect it, but man, I've got to say I have no real desire to see a Black Widow solo movie. I'd way rather see Wonder Woman. Okay.

I kind of do. Just the character in general is not that interesting to me. Yeah, I don't think it'll happen anytime soon. one of the gripes Josh Whedon had before he left to go do other things he was really pushing

for him to direct a Black Widow movie and they're kind of they just kept pushing it to the back burner like constantly You know what I'm saying

Okay Um Okay And then our next bit of listener feedback I forgot it was still my turn I'm on some cold medication, so maybe a little loopy and margaritas. Great, great competition, man. Yeah.

So Kevin Nez, friend of the show, he sent us his top 10 underrated horror films after our show last week. I think we know at least one of them. Yeah, I think it was the first damn movie on there. No, no, no. All right, but we're going to go from 10 up. All right. Okay. He's going to put it on there.

All right. The number 10 is phone. I don't know what phone is. What the fuck is phone? Is that that one John Cusack was in last year that everybody said was one of the worst movies of the year? No, no, that was sale. Never mind. All right.

The next one is Chud. That's a good one. I've never seen it. Yeah, cannibalistic, humanoid underground dwellers. It's almost like a comedy horror movie, especially the second one. That was a good. That's a good one. That's a good one.

I'll check it out. Evil Speak was number eight. Okay. The car number seven. I got a lot of comedy in it, too. I see a pattern emerging here, Kevin. Yeah, because I think his number one had a lot of comedy in it. Well, unintentional copy.

Number six is Friday the 13th, Five, a new beginning. That is random. That's a good way. Number five is Amityville Amityville 2 The possession All right Kevin

Now you're pulling our legs Yeah you're just pulling Some weird ones isn't he Yeah Well hey underrated right Maybe I guess so Maybe some of them are rated just right Kevin have you ever considered that

Number four is the burning Number three is the city Oh the burning That's the one with Cropsey right Brian Yeah that's a good one That is a good one. Yeah, that's a good. Okay, I may have to watch that.

Number three is the Sentinel. I'm not real familiar with that one either. Okay. Number two is Halloween three. Okay. Yes. That was on my list too. Oh, yeah.

Number one, of course, is Witchboard. Ah! Yeah. The only thing underrated about that movie is Tony Gattain's boobs. Agreed. No, they're rated. They're rated just about right. I wish we had that sound board we was talking about.

Oh, man. I know. Blue witch board. Agree and disagree. Guys, it wasn't that bad. No, it wasn't that bad. It was fun to watch. Yeah, Tony Kattain was definitely fun to watch.

It was fun to watch because it was so bad. All right. And then Stephen Loblad tells us. He says, great episode as always, another feedback from our top 10 list. But unlike Brian's wife, my wife, is infuriated with Neat, or infatuated with Negan. And it's rooting for the scumbag. No. Come on.

Hey, I kind of am, I'm not sure if I'm rooting for him. I'm waiting for him to die. But Negan is cool as shit, man. I really like that guy. Okay. Everybody who's waiting for Negan to die, if you're a comic book reader, you already know what I'm talking about, but I may have some bad news for you. Well, that and on the show, he's come out so strong.

I think he's sticking around for a while. They may go off the rails on it. You do notice that they actually list him now in the main credits. It's not even like and featuring or also starring or whatever. He's actually one of the main names that comes up now. He's the only reason they got as big a draw as they did this year. Yeah, I agree. Didn't they have a few bumps in the road this year?

Because some people got real pissed off about killing off Glenn and everything. Well, yeah, but I mean, if you're eliciting that kind of reaction, you're doing your job. It's true. This is boring reaction that nobody wants to hear. Yeah, I just can't believe Stephen's wife is actually rooting for him. I mean, you sure you didn't misread that? Reading for him to die? But she said, he's rooting for this gun back.

Wow. He says, on the other hand, I can't wait for Simon to get shot in the face. Which one is Simon? Simon is the... He's his right-hand man. He's his right. That actor's going to be at Comic Palooza, dude. We ought to try to meet him.

Oh, yeah. So we can punch him in the gut. Yeah. I'll do it. I'll run by and slap him in a face. There you go. I'll shoot him in the face with an Nerf gun. How about that?

Oh, wow. He can catch me outside. Oh, no. I should have said that. Edit that out. That's in. But that is all of our listener feedback. We love to hear from you as always.

You can reach us at our Facebook or Podbean page or just email us directly at the horror returns at gmail.com. Or we got some other assorted social medias that are out there, Instagram, the Twitter machine, all that good stuff. Yeah, I see a lot of your stuff on Twitter, man. That's pretty cool. I like, I use Twitter a lot more. So I like to see you guys post up a lot of cool stories,

and I'm able to click on them, and that's the way I like to do it. That's awesome. That's all, Brian. Yeah, I heard. So thank you, Brian. He put up a lot of cool stuff, rapid fire too. Oh, thank you. Thank you.

All right, man. We appreciate that, are you boys ready to move on to the feature Attractions then? Don't feature it attractions. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Or how does that music go on Grind House? I sent you the email it's in there. All right.

Well, this week we're going to gear up for the Fate of the Furious and also check out Quentin Tarantino's Death Proof. So we'll start out, as always, with death-proof trivia because we always cover the older movie first. The director and writer was a guy named Quentin Tarantino. He's also known for the Hateful Eight, Reservoir Dogs, and Pulp Fiction. As well as a few others, right, Philip? A couple of them, yeah, yeah. One of the greats.

So Zoe Bell was the stunt double for Uma Thurman in the Kill Bill series. Ah, that makes sense. This was the only Quentin Tarantino movie that takes place completely in chronological order and without any flashbacks. Huh. Oh. Never thought about it. The original name for this film, which pops up for only a few frames, is Quentin Tarantino's Thunderbolt. Yeah.

Did you guys notice that at the beginning? Yeah, I've seen it. Like death proof better. All right, so get this. And I don't see a name on here that would be a bad pick. I mean, I think they did great with Kurt Russell, but, uh, so Mickey Rourke, Sylveth. Mr. Stallone, Ving Rames,

and Australian actor John Jarrett were all considered for the role of stuntman Mike. With Tarantino upon the urging of Grindhouse co-director Robert Rodriguez, they finally settled on Russell. Good to see.

Yep, and Robert Rodriguez is about to work with Russell again. Ain't that right, Brian? Yep. Hopefully. Kevin might not say hopefully, but, you know. Oh, no.

definitely not Kevin he's very angry about that news he's angry about it what escape from new york yeah let's move on let's move on all right art we have a tradition here that uh when we start talking about the movies we let our we typically let our guests chime in first so art what did what did you uh what did you think about death proof man well a little backstory I actually saw this when it was the double feature with Grindhouse and the movie theater

and I don't know if you guys remember when they played it Planet Terror came out first and then there's a little intermission and then death proof and just I had not revisited since then

so when you guys hit me up and said hey we're going to watch death proof I didn't have a high opinion on death proof at the time actually saw I thought Planet Terror was the better of the two

but then I actually saw we saw Planet Terror a few years ago and I didn't like it as much as I did the second time around and revisiting death proofs. I was really surprised at how much more I ended up liking death proof

and just retrospective. I believe this movie came out with 10 years, almost 10 years ago, right? 2007, something like that. So, you know, with 10 years, you know, about 10 years of distance between the movie, it's just so funny to me that

what you take away from the movie now as opposed to there and you know so the stuntman mike curt russell's character just seems so much more creepier to me now because he's just trying to pick up on young chicks and then well you know and then what he you know like you said there is this movie's 10 years old how he just goes out of his way to just fucking mess these chicks up it just you get that creepy vibe from the bar you know when he's picking up uh that chick i forget her name but the one that owes him a butterfly rose He just comes off so sleazy, you know.

It just so that's the part that I couldn't believe in. And we've all seen those older guys that trying to, you know, you know, stay in the past. You know, I really liked how he had his icy hot jacket on the panty trapper jacket, I guess, you know. But that's the part of like, wow, I didn't associate this when I was, you know, 25, not on 35. I was like, wow, I kind of see it because I don't want to be that guy. Right. And I really, and what I do like, the main thing I liked about it, the first cast of characters we had, the first chicks, they're a little annoying, you know? And, you know, you kind of get a little upset, but when you see their fate and then you get these second set of chicks and they're badass.

You know, they got two stunt women and, you know, we're sorry to Dawson's character, he's not a stunt woman, but she still has a backbone. So I really, I really like that, that there is two completely different sets of characters. And, you know, that's, a main parallel I got from this movie, I'm sorry, I'm Ravelin that I actually liked it. You guys, of course, have seen The Strangers, right? Yes. And see, I can never get into that movie because if you're coming to my house, even though it wasn't their house, if you come and knock into my door at midnight, I'm not just going to freak out. I'm going to do something about it. And that's why I fell in love with the second act of this movie.

Yeah. Because these chicks, you know, when they say, you know, they say, oh, when do you go get them? Like, hell yeah. And they asked for star of Dawson's character, do you want to go get them? I'm, fuck it, let's go. That's when they had me.

I was like, oh, fucking, this movie's the shit. So that's when they had me. So, like, that's my little rabble on it. I really liked it. I was really surprised that, you know, like I said, I had seen them 10 years since I initially saw in the theater. And I was like, wow, this is not. that bad of a movie.

Yeah, dude. You know what? I'll go too, man. That's, I had forgotten how incredible this movie was. You know, it was, it didn't even crack my radar on Quentin Tarantino movies before I rewatched it because I originally saw it when it first came out with the whole grind house double feature thing. And they're both great movies.

You know, Robert Rodriguez is awesome. But I think it may have hurt this Quentin Tarantino movie as a standalone movie. because you always associated with Planet Terror. Yeah, I like Planet Terror a little bit better. Yeah? Yeah. See, on the rewatch of this one, though, man, I loved it. I loved everything about it.

I loved the dialogue. I do too, man. The first half of the movie. Don't get me wrong. I love both of them. This was my favorite film of 2007, Grindhouse, as an experience. That was my absolute favorite of that entire year. I like Planet Terror just a little bit more.

because of the science fiction aspect of it. But this is a fucking phenomenal movie. You're right, man. Yeah. And I just didn't give it enough credit the first time I watched it. And so going back and watching it again, it was like the writing was great. I love the dialogue between all the chicks. I love that the first half of the movie was like classic horror.

And it had, I think even more little burn marks in the movie and looked like it was set further in the past, even though it was still modern times, but they had everybody wearing very, you know, 70s type clothing, cars, music, all that stuff. And it was more of a horror movie-esque. And then the second act, you know, when they come along, and it's just a bunch of high school girls or, you know, college age girls, whatever, girls that are too young for this motherfucker.

Yeah, exactly. but then the second half of the movie is like these two actresses and then their stunt doubles and then we run into that double-edged sword where the stunt man is the bad guy and now he's chasing stunt people and I like how Zoe played herself which they mentioned in the very beginning of the credits that was awesome and then man like the scene where they were trying to run them off the road while they were playing whatever the game was called where she's like hanging on the hood of the car. Ships messed. Yeah.

So she's hanging on the hood of the Vanishing Point car and he comes and tries to run him off the road. And I had actually forgotten how this ended somehow. And I really thought that she died in that scene. And I was really tense the whole way. It made me very tense and very nervous, this entire scene. And then when the scene ended,

and she flies off the hood of the car. They think their friend is dead. And the turning point is when she popped up out of the bushes and she's like, I'm okay. It was great, man. And I like how they set that up early too. They tell you nothing happens to her. Right. She's like a cat.

Yeah. And yeah, man, she came out and they were some chicks that were going in and kicking ass. And then suddenly Kurt Russell was, instead of being the big, bad, creepy bad guy, turned into the crying little bitch because he got shot in the arm. Big old bitch. And he was running away and screaming and crying from these girls that whooped his ass. Yeah, he checked alone. Yeah, soundtrack was great. Everything.

This earned a new respect for me. This is one of my favorite Tarantino films now. Strong words. Yeah. You had something else to say, Art? Oh, no, I'm just like he said, the contrast, like they, in the first, like the first set of characters with Jungle Julia and her posse, they're just chicks. They're just normal chicks, you know, going through stuff. But when we first meet these characters, you know, Rosar Dawson and Zoe and so on, they establish that these girls know how to take care of themselves, you know?

So it kind of sets you up like, okay. and well we got some at Mike well we think it's gonna be the same old same old but then they throw us for the loop and fuck it's like Mike it's his ass handed him it just that's what I just love so much you know that he got his come up in and no one feels sympathy for this guy we we're actually rooting from you know that that car chase those I don't know what was like a 10 minute car chase 15 minute car chase it was awesome it was awesome yeah yeah it was great kept my attention the whole time what did you think what did you think Brian What the faster period should have been. This, I always liked this equally with Planet Terror. I mean, it's got fast cars.

It's got hot women in it, you know, and it's a different take on a slasher movie, except his killing weapons is car. Right. And even when Kurt Russell was going over the top, it just went with the movie. His whole scene when he got shot and he was pouring the, pouring alcohol on it and he was just like, oh my gosh.

You know, it didn't, it didn't take, it didn't take me out of it. And it's, you know, you guys said it, you know, you get a better appreciation, rewatching it. And I, too, also seen it when it originally came out. And it was like one of the best, um,

theater experiences I had because the whole crowd, it was a pack theater and everybody was, uh, Regis and Tarantino fans in there. That's cool. And a couple of things I wanted to bring up about the movie. Was anybody concerned that they left their friend to get raped? Yeah, that was...

Well, I think that was like an initiation. Like, all right, you're a big girl. Take care of yourself. I mean, that was a big bumble, you know. I wouldn't want to leave that little girl with a big dude like that. But I thought that's like their haze. Obviously, you could tell they're hazing her, like, throughout the whole movie. So, you know, I'm pretty sure she's...

she could take care of so, but yeah, that was kind of funny. That's part of what I loved about it, though, is the relationship between these four girls. It was very real. It was almost unscripted. And like some of the stories that they were talking about early in the movie, they didn't even, it didn't sound like they were even relevant, but they came back to. Yeah. To fruition, you know? And also, I wanted to bring up the car crash scene with the first set of girls was very, very,

brutal. Oh, yeah, dude. Lens flying off. They had to show it like four different times so they could show you every person. Each death. Each death they had a show. Yeah. That was awesome. Every time I see a girl's legs hanging out of a car, I think about this movie.

I believe, what's their name got it the worst? I believe the actress's name is Belissa Furlito. The last hit, chick. Yeah, the last one. Yeah. When she got the tire to the face. Oh yeah, that was wrong. Oh.

And such a beautiful face off. Oh, and such a beautiful face. That's the fucking... Yeah. Because that lap dance is pretty awesome. Oh, wow. But yeah, rewatching it now, you know,

you just get a better appreciation for it. And it's a great fucking movie. Yeah, it ages very well. That's the surprising thing. I would agree. Obviously, there's no CGI. It's all actual stunts. I think that lends credence to it.

And then even then, like you said, it had a very old feel to it, even though it was not really set in the past, but it wasn't set so much. Because the girl had a cell phone and everything. You know, they had cell phones, but it's, you know, it could be any time. And the main thing, I think the number one thing Tarantino does great is scoring and putting the music he chooses for his movies. It just sets the tone for any movies. That's like, that's part of the Quentin Tarantino experience, you know. better than anybody in the game. Yeah,

quick thing about that scene. That whole scene could have been left out. Which one? Whatever. She's texting whatever guy. Oh. No, they had it in there to show you that it is modern day. That's just good.

To show you that everything was like, all the cars and everything were like from the 70s. I know, but she originally got a phone call from her friend. Yeah, but I think it was just extra in there to remind you that, hey, this is not. I mean, just to bring you back to reality,

hey this is not, you know, 40 years ago, this is today. That's what I think. That's what I think. I could see that. But I just thought that the scene was useless. I thought it was useless. I think they got it to gain sympathy for that character. Like, oh, look it.

She's going to have someone that could talk. You know, her whole deal, though, it was a birthday. No one was talking to her. And she was a little bummed out. And then she got a little message. So there's a little hope at the, you know, a little light into the tunnel. And then obviously we see how she meets her fate with her leg hanging out of the damn window. Like, wow.

I'm also not a fan. She was a little bit of a bitch. So, I mean, it didn't work on me. You know what I think? That's a good point, Brian. That's what I was thinking is like, you know, this movie has like, there's a lot of talking in the beginning, a lot of talking. But I think it's, I don't know if it's a lost art where you have to try,

you have to go on the ride with the director. Because I think all that, it builds anticipation to, to the end. So you start off with these chicks that you don't care. so much about then you're to do some chicks you are and immediately you're kind of it's like here we go again but then like right away you know like oh these chicks actually not they can take care of themselves you know so that's the only thing that i was thinking about right it's like they gave you classic horror movie and then switch and bait twist on plot all in the same movie yeah it's kind of yeah it's kind of weird because it was like a revenge movie but it wasn't yeah they had no

idea they were they were uh giving vengeance for anyone. Yeah. It was really interesting. Made it more awesome. Yeah, made it more awesome. Of course. We knew as the,

we knew what was going on. I also liked that the sheriff fucking figured it out right away, you know, the sheriff's in the hospital. Right. And he's all, you know, that's the same sheriff

that he's a linchpin that kind of keeps all the Tarantino movies like Eric, right, him and his family. He's supposed to be related, you know, that sheriff is somehow

supposed to be related to the one from Kill Bill and stuff. Oh, I don't know that. Is he? Yeah, there's a lynchman that, a character or a character, a family name that keeps all the Tarantino movies together, like for instance, it's an inglorious bastards, Brad Pitt's character.

That does not surprise me the least, Art. That does not surprise me the least, man. I believe Brad Pitt's character is either the grandfather of the sheriff from Kill Bill. No shit. Yeah, I think I'm messing up some of the facts with that. I know Brad Pitt's character has something to do with that. Right. And then that's the sheriff.

And then this sheriff, because he also, you notice, like, Kill Bill, he also calls him son number one, son number two or whatever. I do remember. I don't know if he's the same actor, but it should be the same character. But he solves it like, he cracks that nut right away. He's like, no. And I love that pragmatic approach because it kind of throws you for a loop. You got this guy, you know, a lot of people, not me, because I was. I was lucky enough to live in Texas, but they might take this guy as a little twang in his voice.

But he actually deciphered that case right away, very pragmatic, you know, step by step. So what the fuck am I going to do? They're not going to believe me anyway, so I'm just going to watch NASCAR. Yeah, but NASCAR season's starting. I got shit to do. He was also in from Dust Till Dawn, the opening scene. Wow. Same character.

Yeah. It was the same character? Was it the same actor? Michael Parks? Yes. Ah, and that that dude's a good actor. He's been a lot of movies.

Wasn't he in that, uh, that Kevin Smith movie, Red State? Was that him or was that somebody else? Yes, that was. I've never seen that, but I know Kevin Smith,

yeah, he wanted him to get nominated for, uh, Oscar for that movie. Oh, you know what? You know what? You know what?

You know what? He was also the dude that turned, uh, Justin Long into a warris in the other Kevin Smith movie. You guys remember this? Tusk. fucking tusk. I don't think I saw that one.

He was Smith that's some weird shit sometimes. He was the old Navy guy that found the walrus that saved his life back in the day, remember? Why not? I just put two and two together. But you fucking blew my mind, Art. I did not even realize that.

So basically what you're telling me, if I'm understanding this correctly, you're saying every Tarantino movie is in a shared universe. That's what I read somewhere I'm looking right now to send you guys a link. So maybe you guys could talk about it next time. But yeah, there is something that keeps them all together because, you know, they're not that far. Now, I'm not thinking about, I don't know how far if that reached out with a Django, but I want to see why not.

That is genius, dude. That is fucking genius. And the thing is, the funny thing is Clintaritino also grew up a big comic book fan. So this is in his blood, you know. That's the kind of shit that comic books are. are based on. There's always something that can they, even now they'll reach back like,

you know, in a, you know, Superband, they'll go reach back to issue 20 from the 40s. Like, oh shit, they brought them back.

But something to that effect, you know, it's always something crazy. And Tarantino is, you know, one of the best in the game. But like I said, like I think,

I think Phillips said, this is not on my highly rated list of Quentinino movies, but even on the lower end of the Potom-Pole, you still can't go wrong. You know, I still, his movies, they're just the feel.

I mean, when you're going to go in movie, it's just an experience. And you know what you're going in for and nothing's too much. You know what I mean? Yeah, you know you're watching a Tarantino film when it comes on. Yeah, and I think that's the ultimate

ultimate sign of a director that he's got you because, like I remember my wife was not a fan of kill. I had to go see Kill Bill Volunt II by myself. She was, she's like, I'm not going to go see that movie with you. So that's, but I knew, I said, I know what I'm getting into it. It's, it's, it's, I'm lending myself to this, this director's vision and, and, and storyline.

And then actually, I want to go along for the ride. I know what I'm getting into. So, I mean, I think that's the highest praise any director or any movie maker can, can get from you, you know. Yeah. So, so she saw the first one, but she wouldn't see part two with you. Nope. You're like, no, you know, that fight in the club with the crazy 88. I love that.

That's my favorite scene in both movies. Yeah, definitely. and she's like what is going and you know from from that she I don't think she ever really saw Tarantino flu me

to that point I think Pulp Fission but she was like zoning in and out of it so and that was at home so I think this was our first theatrical experience together was uh

killed Bill and she was not having it well guys I don't I don't think there's too much more I can add to this that you guys haven't already all covered I mean art having you on the show has been amazing It's just, you blew my mind with this Tarantino shared you know

thing, and I just can't wait to start digging into that. I mean, the only thing I would point out, and I think you guys touched on it a little bit, would you talk about the dialogue? But did the scene when they were all sitting around eating and the camera was kind of moving around while they were talking, did that remind you guys at all of the scene where they were in the deli and reservoir dogs?

Oh, yeah. That reminded me that. Yep. I didn't think about it. That's very similar. Yeah, I really get that same vibe. It's just Tarantino, man. You could study this guy, you know?

You could actually create a college class just on Tarantino. And it's amazing. And it's amazing. A lot of people sell him short because they say, well, he's not original. He steals ideas from all these other directors and these other types of movies. That's bullshit. Every fucking director from day one has done that. I mean, the first director who directed the first movie,

I guarantee you it was built on a book or a play or a short story that somebody else had already written. It's human nature, man. We just retell stories over and over. That's why, you know, movies are going to get remade for the rest of eternity. You guys ready for ratings? Yeah. All right. Well, Art, you're our guest, man.

We go on a scale of 1 to 10. We may change that at some point, but for now that's what we do. Yeah, Denny Louise got me all screwed up. I was thinking thumbs up. down because you're trying to change the rating system. So Danny Louis, we like. Thumbs up, thumbs down is too, there's not, it's too gray. It's not black and white.

These movies have areas of gray in it, so I have to disagree with my, my good friend, Danny Louis. I agree with you. I will easily go with an eight, a real solid eight. It's not quite a nine. It's just a little too wordy in the beginning for me with the first set of characters, but it picks up shortly after that. but I give this a strong eight, and that's kind of high praise for me.

Yeah, that's great. I give a solid eight. Eight's very high, Philip. Man, I was, while I was watching it, and as I was watching that first half of it, I wanted to give it an eight as well. But then after watching the ending, I was like, you know what? This is an easy nine. I like this one better than Kill Bill.

That's, that's strong praise. Yeah. it's a good movie man strong phrase it's definitely up there top two or three Tarantino movies Brian I'm gonna meet you guys in the middle

I'm gonna give it an eight and a half I could not see after you read that list I could not see anybody other than Kurt Russell playing this role and all the actresses were great in this movie and like I said it was a slasher movie with the car and it was fucking awesome

So, eight and a half. Good old-fashioned slasher movie. Yeah, this is, all right, so like I said, my favorite experience of 2007 was easily grind house. You guys, I mean, it's no mystery. I already told you that I like Planet Terror a little bit better, but that still doesn't keep me from giving this movie a good solid eight. It's definitely, definitely an eight. And what I love about it is it's basically two movies and one.

one because you get the first half which is the slasher film you get the second half which is the revenge film even though they don't even know they're doing the revenge which is the genius of it and i absolutely love the scene where they're where they're all uh sitting together eating breakfast and the cameras are going around and it's almost an exact uh it's almost an exact copy without being a copy of the scene when all the guys were getting together talking about the the heist they were going to pull off at the beginning of reservoir dogs yeah so uh you uh you're Yeah, eight for me for sure now. This is where to get to the point where I think Art is being called away by his master's voice.

Am I right, Art? Yeah, guys. Unfortunately, my schedule is going to work out correctly. I'm on call, and I got called to work. But hopefully I could get a chance to do with this with you guys again. You guys are awesome. I really have been enjoying the hours and hours of entertainment. You guys have provided me.

I just want to say thank you first and foremost. Just today, I know how hard is to schedule anything with all our. busy lives. So I just want to say, thank you guys so much for being able to do this on a because it's such a consistent basis. And, I mean, to set your time apart and actually, you know, have real in-depth conversations. Podcasts like this is what I really enjoy, man, because you guys are passionate about

what you just talk about. You guys have an in-depth knowledge and are passionate. And I just want to say how much I appreciate it. Well, dude, we appreciate it. Yeah, and I don't think it's a coincidence that the minute that you said that my Skype credit just went down to 666. Oh, I'm going to get out of here, then. I'm a free man.

Hey, but we appreciate everything, brother. Thank you for coming on. Yeah, dude. Thank you so much. That was great words, man. You just, like, touch your brother's hot. It's true, man. All right, I saw that picture you put on Facebook today. Somebody's been doing some biceps work, man.

Oh, that's nothing. I'm pushing the fat forward. It's old camera trick I learned. of the day. All right. It's worth. But thank you guys so much, and I'm sorry. I'm going to have to bounce early, but hopefully, like I said, I could do this again

with less for the listeners. You know all the technical difficulties on my end that were my fault. And hopefully next time I can give these guys a great show. And I do really appreciate you guys. And I like talking to the Alaskan Barry White. That's why I think Brian is. He reminds you of Barry White. I love that.

That is your new name from now on. So the next time I'll come on, I'll go ahead, man. Did you buy any chance to watch the fate of the In The Furious? No, it's been a crazy few days. How about this? Well, I'll tell you later, but no, but I do really appreciate you guys, and you guys have a great thing going here, man. All right, thank you so much, man.

All right, thank you, brother. All right. Well, you guys take care, okay? You too. All right. Good luck on call. All right. Later.

Later. All right, and so now moving on to the main movie this week, which is the brand new F. Gary Gray film, The Fate of the Furious. So, as I said, the director is F. Gary Gray, also known for Straight Out of Compton and Law Abiding Citizen. You got seen that movie? Yes. I really like that one. I remember it.

Yeah, it's one of my wife's favorites. Let me guess why. Would it have anything to do with the actor Gerard Butler that happens to be the star? She does like 300. So does, AJ. I like 300. That dude's awesome. But Jamie Fox is in it also, right?

Yes. I'm thinking of the same movie. That was actually a pretty damn good little movie, man. Okay, I know. I thought it was kind of clever how I did everything from inside prison. Yeah, a good one. the writer of this particular film was Chris Morgan, also known for Fast and Furious 6 and 7.

So he's on a roll. Okay. The cast, the cast includes two. What's that, Phil? I'm sorry. What? All he's ever written for is the Fast and Furious? Never mind.

That, yeah, that's pretty much it. Pretty much it. He's, uh, don't mean to cut you off. He's done a couple other decent. movies. What else is he done? Have you... Um,

he's done, uh, you guys ever seen cellular? With, uh, Chris Evans. Oh, yeah,

yeah, yeah. Oh, where he's in the phone booth? No, no, that's, uh,

that's, that's, that's, uh, I've never seen cellular. Yeah, it has, uh,

Chris Evans and, uh, Jason Statham. But really similar to it. Where he's in the, where he's in the phone booth? No, that's phone booth?

Oh, okay, uh, how did it go real quick? Basically, this lady gets kidnapped. She gets a hold of somebody by putting a phone together that was smashed and it dials Chris Evans' phone. Yeah, but he's got to stay on the line with her. It's the same kind of concept.

But just really quick, he's also done Wanted with Angelina Jolie. Oh, okay. That was pretty good. Yeah. And, well, unfortunately, he did 47 Ronan, so. Okay, well, some good, some bad. We'll see how this one is, right? The cast includes, speaking of people with a pretty good resume,

the cast includes two Oscar winners, Helen Mirren and also Charlize Theron. This is the first film in the franchise to have Oscar winners in the cast. That doesn't surprise me. No. Look, hey, the cast is pretty awesome, man. they're definitely it is as big budget as a big budget movie gets

there's a lot of big ass people in here and I don't think I don't think this will be the last of the Oscar winners to be in this movie because Helen Marin asked to be in this movie oh yeah really? Well it's got a fan base

we'll get into this later but she fucking nailed it dude she was my favorite actually probably my favorite part of the movie yes F. Gary Gray previously directed Vin Diesel in A Man Apart Good movie. Both Jason Statham and Charlize Theron

in the Italian job. Good movie. And Dwayne Johnson in Be Cool. Okay. Not too bad. He was funny. Not too bad. He was funny in it. Now he reunites with him all

as the director of the latest in the song of the franchise. Yeah. All right, now here's where we get into some, as they say, drama. A week before filming ended, Dwayne Johnson had a secret meeting with co-star, an executive producer, Vin Diesel, to address personal and professional issues between the two. This happened after Diesel reportedly canceled some of Johnson's plan scenes at the last minute.

Oh. On several occasions, occasions, Diesel also reportedly refused to show up on the set as he was scheduled, leaving hundreds of cast, crew, and extras waiting on set for him for more than six hours. So, is there trouble in the Fast and Furious Paradise? May I add that recently at, I believe, I forgot who was it, that called into the binge cast, went to I can't even remember the convention that just happened

the one in Vegas where they show like they bring in all the movie chains and they show movies and trailers and stuff well anyway it just cuts to the thing it's a it's like an insider film industry convention yeah yeah yeah

okay well just to get to the part they were promoting Fate of the Furious and apparently they had to keep them apart really? Yeah, basically. Oh, boy. The Rock will do his thing and Vin Diesel do his thing, but at no time where they're ever together, like, speaking on the movie. Was this a real thing?

Because I remember when it happened and there was a lot of beef between them, like on Twitter and junk. And then I had heard that it was going to be some sort of speculation that maybe they were going to meet up at WrestleMania. And they didn't, right? Yeah, this is actual, I guess, a real. thing because I guess the Rock has also had comments about maybe people taking Vin Diesel side. He never really

commented or said names but he called him a bunch of candy asses. Oh boy. Man, the Rock is like the picture perfect dude right now. I feel like to get under his skin and make him get where he's

not super nice guy anymore. You got to be kind of a dickhead. I mean, there's no way you can not take the rock. excited in this. Which might lead to something I'm going to bring up, probably in spoilers, that I have a theory on regarding this whole drama situation. Oh, that'll be interesting to get into. So guys, stay tuned for the spoilers.

Or go watch the movie and come back and listen to the spoilers, right? Yeah. Spoilers will be interesting in this one, I think. All right. Well, it sounds like we have a lot to talk about. So who wants to go first? Brian, you saw it most recently, right? Yeah, I'd just seen it hours ago.

I fucking loved it. Honestly, I'm going to be honest, leading up to this movie, the more trailers I said, because they released a lot of trailers. Yeah. I kind of wasn't as interested in it. Mm-hmm. But then as the movie started, a small little spoiler here, as the movie started, you got the familiar scene of the car races. Oh, I loved it. I loved it, man.

Yeah, it kind of took me back because one of my favorites is, one of my favorites is the original. Yeah. I just got a soft spot for it. And as the movie went on and it just is jam packed with action. Yeah. And a couple, the reasoning behind Ben Diesel's character turning bad, I liked it. Did you? Yeah, I did.

It was a little cheesy. But I liked it, but it was a little cliche, man. I'll wait to comment until the spoilers. It's fast and furious. What did you say, Phil? I said, I'll wait to comment on that one until the spoilers, because I have something like. But that also leads into something else. I'm going to get into spoilers regarding that, but I liked everybody in it.

There's some, a couple of reveals of characters that I really enjoyed. And Charlize Theron, I kind of dig her as a villain. She kind of played like a cold. There was some scenes where she just had that crazy-eyed, like, wide-eyed, killer-type look, and I kind of dug it. Yeah, she made a killer bad guy. She did. She did. And, yeah, I really had fun with this movie.

And, yeah, pass it on to one of you guys, because I am really interested in getting the spoilers. Yeah, let me, can I go first? Yeah. Or I should say next. Yeah, and thank God she was as ugly as she was in Monster, huh? Yeah. Oh. That's for damn sure.

And despite what you say, Brian, about Kevin's girl, Michelle, I think she was pretty hot in this movie. I had no problem with Letty in this movie. Okay, let me clarify. She's not Natalie Emmanuel. Don't get me wrong. Oh, God. I'm with you on that one. Let me clarify.

I didn't say she was ugly. I just, like all the female action stars or whatever we've been reviewing lately, she's just not up there with me. Yeah, I'll agree with that. Like, if you're looking at like hot Latina stars, I think Eva Mendez definitely edges out, you know? Oh, right now I go for Salma Hyatt.

Oh, yeah. I still go for Salma. any day. She's my home last. And how does she? And she still? It's ridiculous. I couldn't care less how well she is. Because I really liked her and I don't know if you guys have seen Everley. Yes, yes. Very good. I really enjoyed that movie. Very good. Really enjoyed that. And that's and that's another one that's very much like either the raid or, uh, uh, the other one we were talking about dread, the one of the Carl Urban in it. Kind of almost the same exact plotline again. Am I right?

Yes, with the different levels of the building. Although she's trying to get out rather than come in. But, you know, same concept. Okay, so here's my take on this movie. The movie started, and I'm thinking, all right, probably not going to be one of my top movies of the year. I mean, all the fast movies are just fucking great fun to watch. I've always had, I've never seen one where I didn't enjoy watching it.

But I thought that the, you know, Vin, you know, Vin Diesel turning on everybody. I thought, okay, great. Dom's going to be the bad guy. Yeah, right, sure. And you know what? I was exactly right. It was super cheesy the way they set it up. It was super cliched. They set it up.

No spoilers here, because they set it up immediately. You knew that he wasn't really the bad guy that they kind of made it look like in the trailers. Obviously. They showed that within the first 10 minutes. Yeah. anything. But when they started off in Cuba, and they had that beautiful photography of all the beaches and the beautiful old rebuilt cars and all the people on the streets having fun and just having a drag race.

The flag girl? You know what? Oh, yeah. Brian, I'm with you, brother. It took me back to the first movie, man. I loved it. It was back to basics. And I like, I like this director. I really like everything F. Gary Gray's Zend. I think he has a great visual style, and I think he's really, really good at catching people in a natural setting.

And I really enjoyed that first part. Okay, could he have really won that race with a... Uh-oh, spoiler, no, not really. It's the first five minutes of the movie. Could he have won that race with that car? Yeah. It's not the car. It's the driver behind him.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, we'll prove it. And boy, did he, right? But, yeah, no, I love the way they started it. I thought that if there was anything, I was a little disappointed. I expected more out of Clint Eastwood's son. I thought Scott Eastwood, I thought he was going to be a little bit more. And you could kind of see toward the end where he was sort of kind of coming into his own.

But it was kind of funny how they called him Little Nobody, right? Yeah, I think he played it to where he was supposed to. I think definitely he will be in the sequels. And I think you'll get, I think you'll get more of a different character than you did in this one. Right. So I felt like he played it the way he was supposed to. But, I mean, like, you could have completely cut him out of this movie, and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference to the plot.

Nah, I kind of disagree. I think he was a good addition. And I do like the fact that they expanded Kurt Russell's character a lot from the movie before, where he's actually kind of becoming the puppet master now. Right. Which I really like that part. But, I mean, you know, everybody delivered what they were supposed to. There's a scene toward the ending of the movie.

No spoilers here at all. Jason Statham kind of stole the show a little bit of a scene that he was in. Every scene that he was in. Everybody did exactly what they were expected to do. I wasn't disappointed with a single performance. I got what I wanted out of this movie. I love the different sets that they went to. I love the fact that nothing in the real world

it's a superhero movie guys nobody could do what these people did we saw this in the trailer the rock grabbed a speeding missile with his hand and redirected it over to the bad guys this is the kind of movie we knew we were going to get and I wasn't disappointed

I enjoyed every minute of it Philip what did you think uh yeah I'm not as high on it is you guys, but I mean, you got to take it for what it is. You know, if you've been watching the Fast and the Furious series, it only gets more ridiculous with every single movie. And so plot is not really

super important here. And if you, if you, so you kind of have to take everything with the grain of salt. Having said that, great action sequences, especially towards the beginning, the prison scene was my favorite in the movie. That was awesome.

I think Jason Statham steals the show every time he's on screen. Him and the Rock both, I think, were awesome. A little towards the end, it got a little to, you know, explosion one-liner, explosion one-liner, explosion one-liner. But aside from that, like, I think that they maybe had their best action sequences, maybe not the most expensive ones, but I think they had their best ones at the beginning.

towards the end they were more expensive high budget but it was like too many camera angles and it did kind of what Transformers does a little bit where it's just too much on the screen all at once and you can't really tell the cool shit that may or may not be going on which is part of why I like deathproof so much because they had all the like the realistic stunts

you know the the effects that were real and their car chase scenes were a hell of a lot different than these car chase scenes. No kidding. But all in all, man, it was definitely a lot of fun. I think I liked this one, maybe a little bit better than the last one. You know, it's not my favorite series in the world. I definitely have an appreciation for it, and I'm not going to dog on it for that. but yeah

no plot a lot of fun super fluff there you're that's what it is that's gonna be on the DVD box I'm sure yeah yeah all right

there's there's plot but it's fucking stupid you don't want to hear it are you guys ready for ratings before we get into all those plot details yeah yeah

I'm gonna go ahead and give it a seven it also it also isn't my favorite in the series but I think in a movie that I kind of was losing anticipation for, I guess is a word.

Yeah. The action brought me back. Cool. And I am definitely intrigued on where they take it from here because they are going, at last I heard, they are going to 10. So they say. Makes sense. Yeah. Lance?

Yeah, I, going a little higher, man. I'm actually going 7.5. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just because it was so goddamn much fun. I mean, in spite of myself, like I said, I really didn't expect to enjoy it as much as I did. Although I get to admit, I kind of did because there was a turning point. I'm trying to remember where it was.

It might have been the fit. Which one? You know what? It's the first one the Rock came into. Was that five or six? That was five. Okay. Ever since that, man, I just think that the, I think the franchise got new legs when he came

man. Yeah. And I think he's here to stay. I don't like hearing all this stuff about the infighting, and I hope it is only just staged. But, yeah, man, for the action sequences, for Helen Marin's unexpected pop-up, which we'll go into later. And for Statham, I'm going to give it definitely a 7.5.

Well, man, that's a little higher that I'm going to go, but I can definitely see it. If we were doing a thumbs up, thumbs down rating system, I would give it a thumbs up, but we're on the numbers. I got to go six. I like it better than I didn't like it.

Yeah. And it was, it was great fun. You know what you're getting into when you go to see a fate of the furious. You know what I mean? It's going to blow up. There's going to be some cool shit happening,

and there's fighting and all that. It didn't disappoint. it just didn't super wow me. All right. You know what? Before we get into the spoilers, before we get in the spoilers, I'm going to bump mine up to a seven and a half. Oh, wow. Look at that.

I'm, uh, Lance, you reminded me a Helen Marin in the movie and I'm kind of replaying her in my head. So, um, just for that, I'm going to bump it up to 7.5. Spoiler time. Spoiler time. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Can we start with Helen Maren? Do it. Go ahead. Oh, man. So when it looked like all was lost, and that fucking bitch,

Cipher had Dom wrapped around her little finger because she had his, I guess, what, ex-girlfriend or ex-wife or whatever? some no other character that he had sex with one time there you go well she was in she was in the fifth and sixth and seven

when let he was dead yeah vaguely remembered her but I guess the main thing was they had his his infant son yes so I mean there you go there's the cliche right there you know we knew it was going to be something just like that and it was

but when he was smart enough to get his car into a place where no cameras could get to it and then he had his buddies as we all find out later who everybody was and where they fit in he got that van to back up where no other cameras could see him

and he went and had that meeting with her and then once we found out who she was it was just fucking amazing this is the most clever thing I've seen in a Fast and Furious movie ever yeah that part was pretty cool and then at the end of it when they tied everything together and they showed the flashbacks and you see how

that happened the way it did. Such a great scene. Her with Jason Statham. That brought me back into it, man. I was falling out. I was like, when is this fucking movie going to be over? Oh, my God.

I feel like I've been sitting here for four hours. Right. And then she referred to, she referred to God's eyes. What does she say? The devil's bum. The devil's. Oh, yeah.

Oh, she was. Tip of a banana. The devil's. Zanis. After seeing her in the what are the red movies with Bruce Willis, I am a little disappointed she didn't really get into the action though. Yeah. But hopefully maybe in future movies.

Maybe. Well, it looks like she's going to be, she's going to be around for the next one for sure, huh? Yeah. And speaking of the whole Dom turning, that is one point that I told everybody I was going to take points off. if him being a villain was resolved by the end. I kind of wanted it to continue.

Yeah. What? I kind of... Are you serious? No. I kind of wrote my own story before I've seen this. Because I did hear that Luke Evans was coming back. Oh, I didn't see.

See, I didn't know that. That was a big surprise to me to see him. So in my mind, when they said they were going to go to 10, Luke, once Statham and Luke Evans reunited, he was going to turn. on Statham. And I thought it was going to happen because by the end of the movie, you were rooting for Statham. You know, they completely made like this guy again. Yeah, he was a good guy by the end of it, definitely. You know, they even had that scene with him in the Rock where the rock was reading his old military records. Right. Yeah. Basically, he was a hero and he did something

and he basically compared it to why the Rock got arrested and put in jail. He was doing a mission, and it was a mission that, you know, if he got caught, they couldn't, they had to deny everything. Deniability. Yeah, I like that too. I like that too. They really made you like this guy. So I thought there was going to be like a trio of villains with Ben Diesel, Charlie Staron, and Luke Evans, which in my mind would have made a better movie. I think it would have made a way better movie, yeah. But it didn't happen that way, so. I disagree. I didn't want to see Dom be a douchebag by the.

end of this one. I just, I, okay, this is why. Too attached to him, I guess, you know?

This is, this is why, because he is a main staple of the series, but if you go, I've watched, this week I went through the series. He is the complete same fucking guy in every movie. He does not,

he loses people. He, any, he does, he never changed. He's the same fucking guy. And I kind of wanted something different out of him. And I thought,

him being a villain would have been that but you know you didn't you got it for what half the movie basically or the middle half and I just wanted it to kind of go into the other movies he did make a cool ass villain though like when he uh

was mounted up in the armor with the big shield taking the giant fucking saw to the bulletproof limo that was a cool fucking scene man when did they bring Bain into this you know. Yeah, no kidding. And you guys know the actress that plays Elena, the one

that died? That's Thor's wife. The guy that plays Thor. Oh, in real life, you mean? Yeah. I had no idea. Just want to throw that out there. Fun fact of the day. Yeah, I had no idea.

Man, I thought that the reason for Dom turning was kind of stupid. I mean, if you really sit down and think about it, it was stupid. He, this is a chick that he used to know, right? And I guess they used to have feelings for or whatever. I know she's done a couple of the movies.

I don't really remember her. And a son that he has never met. And so for these people, he's going to get nuclear launch codes. Yeah, you're right. You're right. There's no about that. A son he never met. I thought about that before, too.

But still nonetheless, it was. still an infant son. I think they played off the whole, his big thing is family. He's all about family. I know he's all about, look, I love my kids, but if somebody asked me to go get nuclear launch codes because they're holding them captive, I would tell them to go fuck themselves, man. I'm sorry. That makes me a dickhead. I don't know, but I'm not going to fucking destroy the whole world because I want my son back. All right. You know what? That always kind of, that always kind of bothers me too, man. When they,

like, it's like 24 legacy. Like they're not going to fucking kill him anyway. It's, hey, it's like 24 legacy that I'm watching right now. Okay, so they had a security guard

that was in the, the CTU division. And they basically, the, the guys called him on his cell phone and said, look, look at this picture of your girlfriend. You know,

you're cheating on your wife, and here's your little younger girlfriend that we've got her tied up. And we're going to kill her. if you don't, you know, if you don't let this, this guy out so he can go blow up the entire city of New York. It's like, what the fuck? Hold on here. Go ahead, buddy.

Problem solved. I've been trying to find a way to get rid of her. Right. I'm with you there, Phil. I hear you, man. Can we talk about how bad ass the rock was in that prison scene? That whole seat was so kick-ass. That was my favorite scene in the movie, man.

I mean, they're trying to be great action. Yeah, they're trying their. best, these guards. I mean, they're shooting him with rubber bullets. And it's just, it's just pissing the rock off. It's like the Hulk. It just makes it matter. And then he, and then the, oh, the one scene was bad at. The dude that ran up to him, he had the knife or the shank or whatever. Yeah. And the rock just basically grabs his hand and makes the guy stab his own chest. Oh, yeah. A little extreme for the rock, but I like it. And then Jason Statham is jumping around like a fucking parkour ninja

he's kicking everybody's ass. But we have to go a little bit before the prison scene. I thought it was hilarious the way he just picked up Scott Eastwood picked him up and put him sideways up against the wall. Picked him up three feet or whatever. Yeah, because

he was talking about his daughter and the rock just breaks his chains and just picks him up and just holds him there. And you knew something was coming because Kurt Russell's character was just kind of like, you know, You shouldn't have did that. Yeah.

You told them you got you got to know your people. You got to know your suspects. You got to know your targets. And that's not where you go with the rock. But that. That and then my other, my other gripe about like plot things is that I, look,

I know that she's some super genius hacker or whatever. But just because you put the word hacker in front of a title, doesn't mean that they can hack into every camera system in the entire fucking planet. You're looking at you from ATM cameras and shit. And then suddenly they all know how to drive a fucking Russian nuclear sub. What the hell? Not to mention all those cars that they were able to take control of.

Although that was a really cool looking scene. That was cool. The zombie car scene. Yeah. It was like a horde of zombies coming at them. So yeah, that was a cool scene. Maybe not as cool as the money that they spent on it. Right.

But yeah, it was, that part was kind of cool. I liked that scene, too. It was the end scene with all the, the submarine and shit blowing up that was like, I don't know, just too much stuff on the screen at one time for me. Like, that last scene took me out of it a little bit, just because it was a whole lot of, go ahead. I was going to ask you, you didn't like when the submarine blew up and they surrounded him with the cars, the shield. him. Actually, while that scene happened, there was a little like four or five

year old kid that looked over his dad and real loud said, Dad, that's impossible. Yeah, that was, I mean, they got some cheese, but at least I could tell what was happening there. I mean, the rest of them there's like six cars driving around and there's just shit blowing

up everywhere. And did they even use the line from Tyrese that they had in the pre- you when he was like, why is everybody shooting in me? He's like, you're driving. Yeah, they did. Yeah, they did they? Okay, I missed that line. Yeah, when he started spinning out on the ice

and yeah. Yeah, they did the hole and ludicrous was like, because you're in an orange Lamborghini. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, well, that's cool. Because I like that scene. I was almost mad that I missed it. And I thought for a second, I was like, did I just miss that or did I not show it?

Okay, let me get into my theory. Oh, go ahead, finish real quick. It was too much like one-liners over the radio and then shit blowing up. And then that was the scene that I was talking about because it was a blow up one-liner, blow up one-liner. And that was the whole end scene. And it went on for like half an hour. Sounds like you're describing an Arnold Schwarzenegger 80s movie. Yeah.

Which were awesome. I'd be back. Right. But my theory real quick on this whole drama, because apparently the Rock's character, Hobbs, is getting a spin-off movie. With the ending, do you think he's done in these Fastest Furious movies? Could be if all this drama is true, you know? Because I have, yeah, I had a theory because I've been, you know, you can't help but like hear about all this infighting with these two. and the way the movie ended with his character,

it kind of makes me think, could the spinoff movie be like events prior to the Fast and Furious movies? Mm-hmm. I don't know, man. Could be, I guess. I still have a hard time believing it's real, man. I mean, like, you're telling me that, what's his face?

Ben Diesel. Ben Diesel. You're telling me that Ben Diesel was so much of an asshole that Dwayne Johnson, the rock, fucking Hollywood's Golden Child, took to Twitter to blast him? I can't believe that it's real.

He has a lot of control in these Fast and Furious movies, so maybe he's getting a little big-headed in Hollywood about everything. Yeah, it's certainly possible. I don't know, man, it's crazy. I'm still having a hard time believe it. If they

come out and say, you know, with the next movie that the whole beef was you know just hype for this next one or they buried the hatchet all of a sudden or something like that then I really think that it was staged. Yeah I mean I'm kind of I'm kind of with you there

because I did think this it was going to be a whole like they're going to finish they're going to settle it at WrestleMania type of deal. I thought it was yeah no they because I mean or radio station called it day one yeah WrestleMania was not too long ago so this could have

Yes. You know, I just thought it was promotion. Mm-hmm. But I was thinking about it. How does this really promote the movie? These two guys can't stand to be around each other, you know, in a lot of cases that sometimes hurts the movie. Right. Because I've seen movies where you can tell people in the scene truly don't like each other.

Yeah. Because there's just no chemistry. Yeah, it would have definitely promoted Russomania. Yeah, but, oh, Sump didn't need it to. I think maybe they had a feud and they were going to do a WrestleMania thing and then maybe so many people called them out on it that they bailed or something built through or something like that. It's got to be something, man.

I think that this is, it's all staged. There's no way. Oh, man. I know I'm the wrestling guy here. So I would have said that would have been smart for them to do it because, you know, WrestleMania is like the Super Bowl for wrestling. Yeah. This year there was just not that star power there.

like that celebrities or are that big match. They just didn't really have it. And if this, I don't know, I'm not saying it's not staged, but if it could have, it should have been, if it was staged, then that should have happened. Yeah, they should have promoted it at WrestleMania. And I would have bought WrestleMania to watch that. You know, conveniently, you know, there would have been banners for the fate of the furious, like on the apron of the ring.

Since it opens like two weeks after WrestleMania. Yeah. They would have all been drinking. Corona. There you go. But real quick, before we get out of it, where do you think the series goes from here? I don't think plot's important. I think they're going to blow up some more stuff,

and there's going to be some cool fight scenes, and they're going to do that for two more movies. Well, obviously, Cypher still on the loose. I think Kurt Russell's character turns bad. No. Yes. Mr. Nobody with his, apparently his headquarters

that's supposed to be nowhere that's easily found. Yeah, super easily found by Cipher. But I kind of want to see Kurt Russell. I want to see him take the villain role. That'd be cool. You want to see him get behind his deathproof car, huh? Scott Eastwood takes over? No, maybe Scott Eastwood's just playing.

Maybe Scott East was just playing. Maybe he's just playing dumb the whole time. Yeah. He's also involved in this. I don't know. I think he takes over as the good guy roll. I think Phillips more on the nose there, Brian. Scott H.

Maybe. Take over that. Now, that makes sense. And then you know what he's going to do? He's going to come after Cypher with the 357 Magnum. He's going to say, I know what you're wondering. Did I shoot five shots or six? Oh, gosh.

You think they can, you think he can get his father in this? I don't know, dude. He's pretty old. anything's possible. Never say never, right? I'd watch Lenny's Wood in a Fast and Furious movie, man. That would give it a whole extra point. Wait a minute.

He can bring his Grand Torino. Hey. Perfect, man. I got it. I got it. It's going to be a fast and furious crossover with the expendables. There you go. They need it right now.

The Fasted the Furious on Walkers. Wow. Boy, this shows went downhill fast. They used to be fast and geriatric furious. But another thing I wanted to point out real quick, I like the call. I like to call back to Paul Walker in the movie. Yeah, of course. Of course.

They had to do that. Well, I kind of thought, yeah, I mean, besides the, I like the other scene, besides the, the naming of the baby. Right. Basically, when Tyrese was like, what would Brian do? And it was like, no, we said we leave him out of this. Oh, I didn't. So I like, they acknowledged them.

Yeah. They had a good bromance going, man. I think they're missing a big cog in the machine without him. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of thought the same thing when I was like, okay, let's see. Who else going to be in this movie? Oh, shit. He's not going to be in it.

Yeah, I kind of. I'll tell you about a couple parts of this movie I had a little teary-eyed actually which is kind of weird for this kind of movie did Jason Statham baby scene Oh my gosh We didn't even bring that up

That was awesome Yeah that was a good scene man He put the headphones on him And he's wrecking shop While he's carrying the little baby carrier around I thought that was cool Gives him a little high-five With his endless supply of rounds

In his gun Yeah He only changed he only changed clips one time. Oh, no John Wick to here. No, John Wick to whoop that dude's ass. All right. Well, I'll tell you what, guys, but the big test for me is I always ask myself, when I get

out of a movie theater, would I sit in here after the guys come in and clean the popcorn up and watch the movie again? And my answer to this one was a resounding yes. Absolutely. I'm ready to watch this movie again. The answer was a no, man. Really? Yeah, it was, I think it was too long for me.

It was too long. It was fun to watch. It was definitely worth watching. But do I want to go see it again? Nah, not really. What about you, Brian? Well, I mean, I have to take my wife to see it. She's a fan of the series, but, yeah, I would watch it again.

Cool. All right. Well, I guess that's it for this week. Just like last week, we went a little bit long, but hopefully we gave you guys some good stuff to listen to and brighten your day. So as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at the Horror Returns at gmail.com.

And be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Podbean, you know, just do a search for Horror Returns. You will find us. Look for us on iTunes, and if you like what you hear, rate us and review us. next week I am going to have to ask Brian what is going to happen because we've had to make a few weeks here

this whole colossal thing threw us off, am I right? Yeah, okay, this is what we are planning. We are possibly doing colossal and attack of a 50-foot woman, but that movie is in such limited release right now.

Our backup show will be, I believe, rupture and pet. Is that right, Atlanta? Yeah, two newer movies that are both basically about kidnapping and possible torture and tables being turned.

And you've seen that, right, Brian? Yes. So without giving any spoilers away, are you glad you saw it? Yes. Yes, I was about to get into it. Fair enough. Fair enough.

And just the week after, we are going to do a movie everybody's been telling me to watch, The Void. Ah, yeah. Possibly we'll have a special guest on that show. Cool. That would be cool. And I know for a fact, without even having to ask you guys, the week after that, it's going to be Guardians of Galaxy 2, am I right?

Yes, sir. You got to have it. All right. So until the horror returns again, Good