The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #460: Psychological Horror Part 5 - The Fan (1996) & Borderline (2025)

Episode Date: March 23, 2025

It's stalker week at THR. Pedro joins us to talk some March madness. Cool of the week includes Mickey 17, Long Bright River, and Severance. Trailers are Together, The Ugly Stepsister, and The Toxic Avenger. The podcast spotlight shines on the Scream Queen Podcast. And we get feedback from Xim Vader, Marcey Papandea, Bill D Russell, Pat Caruso, Jason Hirth, Gaz Everall, Andrew Rutherford, Christine Taylor, and David Barta. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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what and all, to the horror returns. I'm not Lance. I'm Philip. And which way is Brian. Lance is under the weather, and he's got some family issues going on, so he's not with us today, man. What's up, Brian?

What's up? Glad to be here. never missed the show Lance hope you get better hope everything works out with your family I'm sure he'll fill everybody in when he comes back next week yeah should be fun

plus we got March Madness coming up that should be exciting yeah but until then check us out on www.thehorror returns.com I'm plugging my own shit yeah and me and me and as we're back cranking out the spin-off shows we got

stream fiends we did the fuck did we do 187 with Sam Jackson Ooh nice Got a couple of wrestling returns episode and we just recorded Action Returns with We did the substitute

Ah, good movie Hadn't seen that one a minute Yeah Didn't know there was like Four or five of them Oh yeah I did not either I don't know if it was that good of a movie It's a fun movie

It still holds out All right. We'll have to check that one out. Spoiler, it is not the same guy in the sequels. Nah, figured. Right, a whole new cast of characters, just budget versions of the people they already got. Yeah, I think they were all straight to video.

Well, you got a cool with the week for us? I kind of went on a movie binge the past week. Okay, that's good. I pulled up my list here. Yeah, because I don't have much of a list. Okay, first I saw, well, Lance hooked me up with his Apple TV Plus login, and I saw a new crime drama series. It's already, has three episodes out. It's called Dope Thief.

Okay. It stars Brian Tyree Henry. He was in Atlanta. He's kind of the comedic relief guy. the Godzilla versus Kong movies. Okay. He's the podcast guy. All right.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The central setup of the series is him and his friend, they pose as DEA agents, and they basically rob drug dealers, and they end up robbing the wrong people that quickly know who they are, who their family is, where they hang out. Yeah, it seems like robbing drug dealers is probably a dangerous line of work.

Yeah, I mean, you knew it was going to happen because they were, they had a strict plan. They only were robbing, like, small drug dealers. Yeah, just a crack hit on the corner. And then the crazy wild card addition to the team gets introduced, and he knows somebody out of town that's a big score, and you already know. It's not going to go well. Ran into motherfucking Walter White. But it's a good series so far. I'm going to stick with it.

It's three episodes deep so far. They're about less than an hour. Okay. It's pretty graphic sometimes. But it's cool. That's cool. I'm down with a good crime drama. What's okay?

Movies now. I've seen, I'm going to run through these quick. Captain America, Brave New World. Good. Decent. Not the best Captain America. It had some fun moments, but it did

have some moments that kind of dragged for me when they were trying to set up the story. There was points in the movie where I was just kind of like, get going, get gone. Yeah. Like, I feel like I kind of want to watch it, but it also sort of feels like a chore. Yeah. And

I just felt like they just introduced too many characters. Oh, well, that's a problem. Some you kind of wanted more from, and you didn't get more, and others, you were just kind of like, okay, that's cool. But it's a little too much for this one movie, because it seemed like they wanted to be more grounded, like the Winter Soldier Captain America movie. Yeah. More espionage and stuff like that. but I just kind of dropped the score down for me with the Introduce this character than this character and then this character

Yeah, I I'm kind of I'm kind of Finding for the days when they just did the superhero origin stories and like We had that whole run where every one of them was amazing Yeah, I mean The problem with that they can't do that this one because we already know who Sam Wilson is.

Yeah. He's been into movies. He's sort of gone through it. I don't know that he's going to hold up as Captain America. I mean, he did a fine job. They already introduced a new Falcon. So it's not like he can go back to being Falcon. Yeah, but are they going to continue to dump money in a storyline that's not paying him back?

I think he'll continue to be Captain America. I don't think he'll get another movie. Yeah, maybe they'll pop him into a new Avengers movie or something. Yeah. What do I see next? Okay, a bunch of these are like trailers we watched, and I watched the movies for. This came out on Max, The Parenting, that horror comedy. Okay.

Who's it? Who's in it? Let's see. Edie Falco, she was Carmelo Soprano. Oh, right, okay. Brian Cox from Succession. Oh, right. We watched the trailer for this, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Hank from Breaking Bad and one chick from Friends. I can't ever. Lisa Kudrow. Yeah, Phoebe. That's right. I wanted to see this.

You like it? I was in halfway. The comedy had me. Yeah. Lisa Kudrow looks funny in this from the previews. one of the funniest ones in there. Yeah. But the comedy had me for the first half and then

by the second half I was just kind of like, okay, was I supposed to laugh at that? Because I felt like they were trying too hard. Ah, gotcha. And it's more comedy than horror because essentially

this guy and his boyfriend and they rent a house and they're having their families come meet each other because he's about to propose and the families both sets of parents are like complete opposites from each other so

it's not going to be a good weekend and then you introduce the supernatural element which honestly I could have did without the supernatural element it could have just been a straight comedy but then again a lot of the comedy didn't work for me

but the acting was solid okay well I mean it's got a pretty damn good cast. It sort of seems like, you know, the odd couple in-laws, but they just threw a superhero thing in there to add some flare. Yeah. Sometimes you don't need the flare, guys. Next up, I went to Hulu and checked out.

We also reviewed this trailer, Control Freak. And the trailer, the girl was, like, always itching and had bugs all over her. Oh, yeah. Um, they advertise this as body horror. Uh, I don't know if I'm getting desensitized, but I just wasn't creeped out or grossed out by any of the body horror stuff. It's a good psychological horror movie. It's kind of slow. And the, it's the girl from the Star Wars movies, the, the Rose Girl that ruined, what's his name's, big heroic moment? Yeah, Finn.

Yeah, she, she did it. She did a really good. job in this movie. Is there like bugs? Yeah, there's bugs. That's probably kind of it kind of was gross and weird. They kind of play with your mind. Is it actually happened? Is it a supernatural thing or is it just all in her head? So they kind of go back and forth with that. That seems terrifying to me. Like, because you know, you always see like in the movie, I don't know if it's a real thing, but like if you see you see in the movies where like somebody's having some kind of psychotic break and they think that like bugs are under their skin. And I can't imagine the panic that you would feel if you thought that bugs were literally crawling under your skin.

Yeah. Spoiler for one scene. Like she literally scratches so hard, she scratches a tiny hole into her head. Oh. Yeah, that'll do it. So if you're into the psychological horror and body horror stuff, then check that one out. That's on Hulu. And bugs? I saw Mickey 17 with Batman, Robert Pattinson.

Oh, yeah. How was that? I liked it. Yeah. I thought it was funny. I like the idea of him being down on his luck signing up to go on this space exploration and signing up for this job. Basically, if he gets killed, they just print him out again. Oh, well.

And basically the jobs they get. of him is to like, here, test this virus, or when we get to the planet, go see if the atmosphere is breathable. And he's just kind of like, fuck it. I'll take this job. So it was pretty cool. Okay. You know, I feel like had he not done Twilight, like Robert Pattinson would be like a real

up-and-coming dude right now. Yeah. You know, like, oh man, that guy's really good in everything that he does. But instead, we're like, ah, the sparkly fucking vampire. Yeah, he's pretty solid in the movie. And who else? He got Tony Collette from Hereditary. Classic.

Mark Ruffalo. Okay. Like him. He's kind of doing a Donald Trump thing with his performance. Mark Ruffalo? Yeah, because he's kind of like the, I don't know what kind of politician he was, but he's the leader of this space exploration, like they're going to a new planet to colonize it. And you hear it in his performance.

Like, he's clearly... Yeah. I know he's, like, super politically biased, and that's my only hesitation with him sometimes. But he was pretty funny, because he's got the big, like, fake veneer teeth and... Okay. Just, like, super weird and constant. about to go off the handle and Tony Collette plays his wife and she's like whisper in his ear and he's like, oh, should I say that? Okay. Yeah.

So it was pretty good. All right. Next up, I checked out a Nova Kane, the Jack Quaid action movie. Jack Quaid, okay. I've seen that one. Yeah, it just came out in theaters. essentially he has a condition where he feels no pain. Okay.

But not to where he can't be hurt or anything. He just has no sensitivity to like hot or cold or pain or anything. So it's kind of like crank, but slightly different. Yeah. Yeah. He gets involved with this girl at work. He works at a bank and bank gets robbed. She gets taken hostage.

And he goes after her. And I thought they played it really good because he wasn't just automatically. He's just, you know, shooting guns correctly or fighting really good. You know, he's just a regular guy that's been cautious all his life because of this condition. That sort of is the part that he plays, isn't it? Yeah. If you've seen Jack Quaid and a bunch of stuff. then you know what you get with him in this one.

But it's still good. I like Jack Quaid a lot. I'm liking a lot of stuff he's in. Yeah, sounds like he's getting kind of typecast, though. Yeah. As the lovable nerd. Yeah, I saw a thing saying that people think he's surpassed his father already in acting. Well, get the fuck out of here.

Yeah, I was like, there's only been around for like not even 10 years. Has he got like four movies? So that one was pretty good. And what else did I check out? I checked out one more thing. Oh, I think that's it. Is it? All right.

What did I watch this week? The one, it's called Long. Damn it. I probably should have thought about this before I started talking. It's the one on Peacock. It's got the girl. from mean girls in it what the fuck is her name the dog oh she's like a detective in there yes i know what you're long long bright river uh it's got a manna siphreed in it yes yeah she was the dumb

girl and mean girls yeah tell weather with her boobs yeah well that's i went back and looked at her uh at her at her at her i mdb while we're while my wife and i were watching it and i was like oh don't duh, she's the girl from mean girls. I knew this girl's been a bunch of stuff forever. And I know who Amanda Seifred is. And it just never clicked. I was like, oh, duh, the mean girls chick. Anyway, she does pretty good in this one.

It's kind of a, like a real long Law and Order SVU episode, kind of a who-done-it thing. And there's like hookers that are getting killed and stuff like that. okay and uh and and and you sort of have to to write it's very formulaic they run through every character that you know of in the whodunit scenario before they finally land on the person that who you know did it and uh it's probably the person you should is it based off what the true thing probably not okay it looks like maybe it could be based up of a book or something, I'm not sure. Oh, okay. I'm completely talking about out of my ass now,

so I have no idea. But it's not terrible, man. Like, it, it was a little slow ramping up. It caught me in the middle, and I was really with it. And then it sort of was losing me at the end, because we'd kind of gone through every possible suspect. I'm like, all right. It, better not be this dude. And it wasn't that dude, but they at least led you to believe it was that dude before they went back to the guy that it should have been in the first place. But whatever. Still, still, still, still worth watching. It was, it was a pretty good little crime drama.

Amanda Seifree does really well. She's like a single mom in it. And so she's dealing with that the whole time. It's a whole lot more drama than crime, to be fair. But, uh, but, uh, had a good time watching. Yeah, I saw it on Peacock and I was I was interested Yeah Not bad, not bad

Not the best thing I've seen But it's all I got So that's my cool of the week That and I had car issues so Now I have a new truck to me So I'm happy about that That's for sure my goal of the week Nice

All right What do we got for headlines Let's see We talked about last week Zach Craigor, the director of Barbarian, is doing a new Resident Evil movie. They found their lead. Austin Abrams. Has he done anything besides Barbarian yet?

He has a movie that actually, that was going to be next on news, called Weapons. Okay. That was coming out in January. But they bumped it to August. Okay. They moved it up this year. But that's the only thing we've seen. from this guy. Yeah.

Okay. I mean, it was good. But Weapons has a pretty good cast. I believe Josh Brolin is the lead. Classic. Julia Garner. Oh, by the way, did watch Sicario a couple of weeks ago and forgot to mention it on Cool the Week.

Great fucking movie. You know what? I've never seen. I've never seen the sequel. Yeah, it's not bad. It's not as good as the first one, but it's not bad. Okay. That's what I hear, because I heard something like different director did it and it's not as good as the fur. It's not bad, but it's not as good.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I still kind of got the same feel to it. It just doesn't have the same punch. All right. There's rumor going around that just happened today that there is going to possibly

possibly be a new Texas Chainsaw Masker movie. Oh, my God. I'm so surprised. And the rumor is, it's just rumors that, have you ever seen the movie Strange Darling came out last year?

The guy from Smile was chasing the girl trying to kill her? I think so. Okay. Well, the director J.T. Mullner is said to be up for director. And also a rumor is that they're looking to get Glenn Powell to star.

Okay. Well, I was half expecting you to say like the Rock or some shit, so this works. I think the Rock's more focused on wrestling right now. A lot of his movies haven't been

box office gold. Yeah, for sure. John Carpenter is getting his own star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I thought he would have had one by now. Yeah, I was going to say. I'm surprised he didn't already have one. Let's see.

Sidney Sweeney set to start in an adaptation of a Reddit short story called I Pretended to be a Missing Girl. Huh. I'll check it out because I feel like she's been kind of picking good projects. Yeah, she's been kind of killing it lately. She is the Hollywood darling. We already talked about that. Talk about that next week. It's very hot.

And she's not afraid to show it either. Yes. Apparently neither's anybody else. Oh, yeah, because I watched some movie with, it was an A-24 movie with Florence Pugh and the Spider-Man guy, Garfield. Does he like have memory problems? I didn't watch the whole movie. Okay. But she's got cancer.

They end up in a relationship. Okay. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. And there's like some completely unnecessary sex scenes, but Florence Pugh is naked. So. Were they unnecessary? Oh, she, from my memory serves me correctly, she gets super naked in Oppenheimer.

Oh, yeah, that's true, too. No, this is way better. Okay. Well, not better than Oppenheimer, but. The naked Florence Pugh scenes are better than Oppenheimer. I gotcha. Let's see. Last week we talked about a new Kujo movie being developed over at Netflix.

They're looking to have Darren Aron Aronofsky. Do Kujo? Yeah. Wow. All right. How the fuck is that going to work? I don't know. Because that dude is super duper artsy and uh Cujo is not

Uh, Jen Ortega and Taylor Russell in talks for a reboot of single white female, which will probably be not be titled single white female. No? What would they title it? Well, Jen Ortega is Hispanic. Oh, right. Taylor Russell is black. Oh, well, then okay, fair enough. But essentially the same.

concept of single white female, which we reviewed it. People go back into archives and check that review out. Great one. And double checking to make sure Chloe Grace Morett set the star in a serial killer thriller, The Edge of Normal. I didn't see her anything in a minute.

I think she got in a little bit of trouble. Did she? I think she kind of spoke out on some things and people didn't want to hear it. Oh, really? Kind of just went quiet to... Because, you know, you can't say anything now. I know. About anything.

But I'm excited. I've always liked her. I think that she's been a great actress since she was little bitty. And so I'm excited to see her back on the... screen. Yeah. We talked about Kenan Thompson producing a new comedy, horror comedy called Halloween Store, and talks the star is Simon Rex and Natalie Lynn, Natalie Allen Lynn,

which I know her from the TV show, the Goldbergs. Okay, that makes sense. Man, I have a hard time seeing Kenan Thompson playing anyone other than Kenan Thompson. I don't know if he's in the movie. I know he's producing it. Oh, okay. All right. Well, that makes...

That makes a difference. Yeah, I'm okay with that. I'm like, if that motherfucker from Goodberger shows up in this thing. Now, some non-horror news, Edgar Wright is teasing his upcoming Running Man adaptation is going to be intense and dangerous. Speaking of Glenn Powell, the star is Glenn Powell.

It's very dangerous, yeah. Which, from what I'm hearing, that's supposed to be more closer to the book. I haven't ever read the book. I haven't seen The Running Man in fucking 30 years, probably. It's still good. Yeah. Okay, I believe that might be it. Oh, real quick.

back to TV news more Dexter Resurrection casting David Dalsmaltian Late Night with the Devil Star Polka dot man And I should have wrote it down I don't have it here But he plays on the Sopranos

Bobby Bacala The guy that takes care of Junior Soprano Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah He is also starring Okay He's like He's like the big teddy bear nice looking mobster. Yeah.

Yeah. The guy you can't understand how he ever became a mobster. Yeah. You're like, ah, you're too nice for this. Yeah, they all joined a cast, and John Lithgow has confirmed he's coming back as the Gemini killer. I don't hate that cast. Well, if Lance was here, he

hates this whole spinoff. Yeah. I don't even know if it's a spinoff. It's more of continuation. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's a weird storyline to, to spin a whole series into, but that's a good cast. Yeah. Last week, we talked about Kristen Ritter, Neil Patrick Harris.

Yeah. Uma Thurmond. A lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. Well, shit, you can't complain about that. Yeah. And on that note, that's all the news.

All right. Time to take a little trip down to the trailer park. I'm trying to do it like my answer. We're going to bring you the big, the small, and sometimes are very, very weird. What's our new trailer to talk about this week? We had a bunch of trailers to the point where I had to split them up because we'll talk about some next week or

I don't know if we're doing March Madness next week or not whenever we do a regular show we're a little up in the air on the schedule sorry for the lateness on this one yeah but me and Pedro have been putting the polls up in the main Facebook page and the Facebook group so you can still get your votes in interesting to see who's winning those first rounds

for the March Madness stuff Yeah. Nice. If anybody didn't know we're letting the listeners vote the first round. Oh, that's me. I didn't know. I probably did. I just forgot.

All right. First trailer. The ugly step sister. For what I understand, this is Cinderella meets body horror. Hmm. Cronenberg-esque. Okay. I'm going to attempt to pronounce these names.

Emil Bichfeld. Probably. Probably not, but we'll go with that. Apologize email. Or it could be, could even be Emily. Well, writer-director is that person. Okay. And this star is Leah Myron, Thea, Sophie, Loch Nass.

That could not be her real last name. Lock Nass. That's made up. Okay. I know this is coming to theaters here pretty soon. But it is eventually coming to Shutter. All right. Eventually, like, soon?

Probably in a few months. Okay. But what did you think of the ugly step-sister? I like the idea. It's something that seems completely different and almost like they're poking fun at plastic surgery, which if you take a step back from modern society and you look at the things that people are doing to their face,

particularly women, it's insane. Right? Like, why are you injecting all that stuff in your head? This seems like a bad idea. And so this sort of seems like old school plastic surgery where they're like, oh yeah, we're just going to put a chisel on your fucking nose and smash the hammer. Yeah, that was pretty fucking hardcore right there. And then she has to wear the little, I'm assuming, to form the nose, the little metal piece. Yeah. It's kind of like a little mask of her nose. Well, it didn't click to me what this movie was until after I had, like, finished the trailer, and it was like the ugly step sister. And I was like, oh, I like where we're going with this.

Here's a different perspective on an old story. That's cool. That's how we got the fucking karate kid thing. Yeah. A fucking eagle thing. God damn it. Cobra Kai. There is.

And that was a different take on an old story. So, I mean, that has a lot of potential. Is it going to be as good as that? Probably not. But it's interesting. I like it. Yeah. Looks like she's cutting off fucking toes at the end, maybe to try to fit the glass slipper.

You got to make them shoes fit. Yeah. I don't know what the sewing of the outside of the eye. I don't know what that's going to involve. Well, I don't know, but, you know, I mean, like a lot of Asian areas, like, they do like the little feet thing, right? So they bind their feet and then they have like the eye surgeries and stuff like that. Yeah. I think it's a little social commentary.

And I think having it used the Cinderella story works. Yeah. Because to her stepmother and stepsister, she was the ugly one. Mm-hmm. So make her kind of go through all. all this and I'm assuming she's going to snap at the end. Yeah.

Something. Trying to look for... She's going to do with no toes, but, you know. Fit them glass slippers. Can't find a... Can't stand up and you can't fit it in them. Yeah, I can't find a solid release day. It looks like it's coming to theaters in April, on the 18th, I think.

Okay. I almost would have expected to see more stuff on this because it looks like it's going to be kind of cool. Yeah, it's very stylish. Yeah. It looks like the director looked like. I should click to see if it's a man or woman. She looks like she did her thing with the direction. So I'm looking forward to it.

I'm pretty sure it's not going to be playing in any theater by me. Yeah, it's going to be one of those damn limited release things. We'll have to sail the seas. But it is getting a distribution deal with shutter. So I would say probably in a few months after its release, it'll be on shutter. Yeah, they're usually pretty quick about throwing stuff up, so hopefully. Yeah. On to the next one is another body whore.

movie. This is called Together, and this is directed by Michael Shanks, and this stars Allison Breed and Dave Franco as a couple, and they're actually married in real life. Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't know that. I'm assuming the chemistry is going to be really good between them in this movie. Or really shitty. I've heard little things about this movie here. there and then when the trailer came out I like what I saw on the trailer

because it didn't give a whole lot of way yeah it didn't give much but you can tell this this is going to involve some body horror yeah and there's a YouTube where I watch his reviews he's called 3C films he's got to see the movie

at a film festival and he can't say nothing about it but he said so far this is one of his favorite horror movies of 2025. Really? All right. And he said... It was big words.

He said the trailer does not even give away the tone of the movie. Yeah, well, I didn't really glean a whole lot of anything from the trailer. But I like both the Franco brothers. So I think Dave Franco is really just pushing it right now to find something. to be great at. Like, he's, he's going to have a role where he's going to win an Oscar. This may not be it, but he'll have one.

Looking at the synopsis, a couple's move to the countryside triggers a supernatural incident that drastically alters their relationship, existence, and physical form. Oh. Because there is that shot, the last shot of the trailer. It looks like

their, their, their faces are close to each other, and it looks like they're starting to, blend together yeah so weird i like it let me see if i can find an accurate release date on this one come on i mdb august first okay summertime movie it sounds like it's going to be good all right and we finally for our final trailer got a not a full trailer but a teaser for the toxic Avenger the remake, the reboot.

Classic. This is directed and written by Macon Blair. Stars Kevin Bacon, Elijah Wood, Peter Dinklage, a bunch of other people. I, myself, I like the tone. It looks like it's in tone with the

original trauma movies, and it looks like it's going to be super violent. Yeah. They're promising when the movie gets released in theaters it's going to be uncut. So we're going to get all the gore, all the profanity, all the stuff that other movies don't have. All the bouncing movies, it is trauma. Yes, I am excited for this one.

Yeah, I gotta say it was a good trailer, man. Like, it's more than I expected from what this movie is. But maybe it's good. I mean, it's already been done forever, right? And it's just kind of been sitting on the backburner. Is that what's going on? Yeah, they said the studio that originally made it or had it or whatever the fucking deal was. They said it was

unreleasable because it was too crazy. Get out of here. And Cineverse picked it up and they're the ones that distribute the terror fire movies. and they were like, well, we know crazy. We'll put that shit in a theater. Matter of fact, we'll put it uncut.

Good fucking plan. I like it. It looks good. I'm having a hard time understanding why it has taken so long to get released. And from what I understand, there's already ratings on it for people who's gotten to see it at film festivals.

Yeah. And it has like a 92% on rotten tomatoes. Okay. And this was before it had came out that the people said it was unreleasable. So I still don't understand. It's probably just got some raunchy troma humor. Yeah. I mean, we saw that with the big black cockcake or something.

Oh, yeah. Well, we got a joke. right in this trailer we got a joke like that in this trailer with the with the the big cock sandwich yeah that one that's what i was talking about the big cock sandwich i was like all right i'll watch this for sure yeah oh it's going on the schedule and you got a dick joke in the trailer let's go this hits theater is august 29th and we've been doing here and there our little trauma retrospectives This is the reason why we haven't done Toxic Avenger, the original one, because I've been saving it to pair with this one. So, August 29.

And we had a third, our fourth trailer, but that's based off a Stephen King adaptation. I kind of want to hear Lance's opinion on it, because I'm almost positive. He's probably read the book. Yeah, it also didn't give away a whole lot either. Yeah, I had a whole bunch of questions to ask him. Yeah. So that was the life of Chuck, and we'll talk about that one next week. I was like, well, that's some shit that was on my screen.

I don't know what to tell you. All right, that's it for trailers. All right, on to listener feedback. This week we shot on the podcast spotlight on Scream Queen. Scream, not stream. Step into the chilling world of horror and true crime. Join me each week on my podcast as I dissect iconic horror movies, uncover their deeper meanings, and connect them to real-life true-crime events. Whether you're a film buff or a true crime enthusiast, this is your ultimate destination for dark storytelling and sharp analysis.

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Oh, yeah, she's super out. Good movie. In regards to the Fun House, Jason. and hearth says god is watching you that's going to be a problem gas ever all says uh haven't seen wolf man but i can't see how it i'd like it more than than heart eyes uh heart i think that was in the poll against each other uh well i'm gonna go wolf man uh uh see

not to interrupt you right now, but I see Pedro's messaging trying to get on. Oh, yeah. Tell them jump in. All right. I'm here. I'm joining you guys. All right. We got the right,

Pedro. Okay. Yes. Just coming in here, I just talked to Lance right now on the phone. I thought he was actually on with you guys, but he's bedridden right now. So props to him. Hope he feels better.

So, yeah, no, I just came in here to drop a plug for that tournament. We got going on here. we're just got done with news and trailers and uh we're doing listener feedback and then got your message yeah so i just want to talk a little bit and get you guys his feedback we we've had uh this tournament uh it's been going on on the on the horror returns page on both of them actually um and i'm you know and the idea here is that we allowed everybody to participate this year it's going to drop sometime in april i guess early april or maybe late march uh we We're still figuring that out.

But, yeah, I'm excited for it. You know, the horrors of icon, who's going to be the icon of horror? You know, and that's what we're going to find out. Darth Vader. And then if people vote, if people vote, there's going to be one vote automatically already before we even get started. So, you know, whoever you think is going to win, go ahead and vote and we'll tally them up on that day. So, yeah, I'm excited. So what do you guys?

Oh yeah, so you guys just got done with the news and all that and what else is going on? We're ready for this reviews or the I'll hang out with you guys since it's, you know. Yeah, just about except that we're actually going to do the fan and borderline because neither one of us has seen Opus. Okay, I saw borderline. I saw, I did see borderline because Lance actually texted me and he was actually upset. And when he gets back, he'll talk about it. He was upset because he didn't really enjoy Opus, which me and him got into a whole big thing about that. And then he's like, you should try borderline, and I did.

And, you know, I'll talk about it in my review, but yeah. Okay. I think I figured out which one you said you didn't like. Yes. Yeah. So, and then, yeah, so, and I didn't see the fan, but I'll join you guys in the conversation. All right. You got a cool of the week?

Damn. That is a good question. Oh, I finished Severn. The Sacramento. No, Severn's was really good. I joined the bandwagon, you know, and I finished the first season. I, you know, benched it, and now I'm excited to watch the second season. Really good show, man.

Well-written show, and people that haven't watched it should definitely check it out. Apple Plus. Everybody keeps telling me how good that show is. I really need to watch it. Just got renewed today for a third season. Oh. Yeah, yeah, because the season finale was last night, I think, or some a couple days ago. So that's usually what happens.

They usually renew it once in. ends and and they would have to because it ended in a cliffhanger so from what i understand i haven't seen it yet but i saw the first season and it's just it's it's a very clever idea man and the way they stretched it out because the first season alone is like a full meal like you get a lot of answers in that season and so now i'm excited to see the second season and see if they answer more of these you know questions that i have so yeah so that's my cool of the week that is it was you know oh and also the daredevil i i saw so here's a deal with their devil so i know i I knew about all the backstage stuff, right?

The fact that they had started this show, and then they changed their mind, and then they fired that first crew, and they brought in, what was it? Benton and Moorhead, I believe, who are like big horror guys, if you know they're in history. And then they kind of retooled it,

and that's what we're getting. So when I saw the pilot, which I'm kind of a pilot, because essentially a new show, even though it's connected to the Netflix show, I was excited because it was a pretty goddamn good pilot. I'm not going to get into spoilers, but there was a lot of shit that happened. And that was pretty newsworthy, especially if you watch the Netflix show.

And then it started going into kind of like the monster of the weak kind of stories, which they, that was what the original intent was. And I kind of dropped off after the second episode. And then something happened in the latest episode that brought me back, and so now I'm back on board. So it's getting interesting. It's definitely getting interesting. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. And I thought that Frank Castle and their devil, let's change in the final few minutes of the fourth episode. I was some of the best acting I've seen in these kind of shows ever, you know? Oh, wow. It's phenomenal stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and like his Frank Castle's dialogue, that's coming from John Bernthal. Like, he has a lot of input on his character.

That's cool. Okay, cool. Cool. And I guess the spotlight Punisher movie that's coming to Disney Plus, I guess he's one of the writers on it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, he was going to write it. And I thought he was going to direct it, but I guess he's going to write it.

Yeah, that's cool. I mean, he definitely knows the character. You could tell. Yeah. Because in that original incarnation of the show, I guess he wasn't going to come back because he read some of the lines and shit. And he was like, that's not how, that's not what Frank Castle would say. Yeah. Yeah.

And actually, and then, yeah. And then Dinoffreel and Charlie Cox also went up to Kevin Feigy. And they were like, yo, this is not working. Like, we don't feel the vibe. And that's when they decided to just retool the whole show. And, and, but it's interesting because they actually kept. So there was six shows that were that were in the can by the time they fired that first production team. And they actually kept those episodes.

Those are episodes two through six. seven, I think. And those are the ones that we're seeing now. And then the new team just came in and retooled it, and they added little scenes here and there to give it a more cohesive through line, and that's what we're seeing. So it's interesting how they did that. And that's why there's a lot of like really slow spots there in these middle episodes, because it was going to be pretty much like more of a courtroom drama. You know, they didn't even want their devil into like episode five or something for him to suit up. So, yeah, it was. was going to be a big mess. I'm glad they corrected

it and it's getting interesting now. So we'll see. Yeah. I've heard kind of nothing but good things about it. So check it out. Yeah. There's always, it's always good to have shows in the docket, man, because you never know. All right. Well, let's move on

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For both of them, the original and the remake, because part two kind of goes off the rails. But yeah, yeah, they're right. I mean, the early 2000s had the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, which everybody loves. It had this one. Yeah, that was a good one. It had Last House on the left remake, which a lot of people love.

Mine is the final scene in the microwave. So there was a few. There was a few that hit a home run, but yeah, in general, they all kind of suck. And then we've got the book of Eli. David Bartis says, Absolutely love this movie. I agree.

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That'll be awesome. Do it. Do it. All right. onto our featured attractions. Well, this week, we're going to take a little bit of a left turn and jump on with the fan and borderline

because the opus was kind of hard to get to. I'm sure everybody's confused because originally this was announced on the last episode. Yeah, I know. That's what, okay, so, and I messed up and watched the wrong fucking movie anyway, so we went through some changes.

But we'll start out with the fan. Let me pull up some trivia for this bad boy, or at least the description. Well, here we are with the hopes and dreams of all true Giants fans, X brave, center fielder, and league RBI champ Bobby Rape, Burn.

In the game of life, some are chosen for greatness. Are others? can only watch. Bobby Rayburn was San Francisco's brightest star. Bobby, a lot of people in this city think you're not earning your key. But to one fan, he meant so much more. A fan.

Which is half a sentence. An all-star baseball player becomes the unhealthy focus of an obsessive salesman. Directors Tony Scott, writers are Peter Abrams. F-O-F-P-H-O-E-F? That's not a name. Sutton. Stars De Niro, Wesley Snipes, Ellen Barkin.

Let's see. From 1996. Pedro? Oh, whoa, you didn't see the fan. No, I haven't seen this one, though. Oh, my bad. Have you ever seen it? Yeah, but it was a long time ago.

might have been when it came out so it's been it's been a minute yeah dude i was a fun rewatch brian what did you think about the fan i love the fan yeah uh mostly for de nero because he's a complete fucking crazy person in this movie psycho yeah it shows you how obsessive fans can be to the point of just feeling like you're owed something from the from the whoever you're obsessed with well and he got into it like a weird fan an obsession thing where he was like more obsessed with this guy than yeah because he felt like i guess wesley snipes character was a hometown kid from san francisco so him coming getting traded to the to the giants was like a major thing it was like him coming home to take the team to the

world series and that makes sense i missed that part i was like why is he like why is he like why Why is he so obsessed with this dude that he's like willing to shit on the guy that's winning for your team? Well, he's super delusional. Yeah. Because he keeps talking about this guy, Coop, this great baseball mind. And then you meet Coop. And he's like basically talking about, oh, I thought you'd be managing by now. He's like managing what?

He's like in the major leagues. And he was like, he's talking about. We played baseball in the little league together. Yeah. So this whole time... We were 12, dude. You're 60 years old. Yeah, this whole time you're thinking that De Niro maybe had some sort of minor league career or college or something, high school.

He didn't make a pass Little League. Yeah. And he's so obsessed with the game. He doesn't even recognize his son. Because that scene was... I would never leave my kid at no sold-out baseball stadium. I know. But especially, like, that was, that was a scene that sort of bothered me because, like, he, he, he left it for a sales meeting.

Like, he, he, he, he, he, this baseball game is very important. It was opening day. He was taking his son and he's like a divorced dad. So it's not like he gets to hang out with his son a whole lot. So he's very excited about this. And he's a super asshole to the, the mom's boyfriend. Oh, yeah. Keeps calling him, Ted and his name's Tim. Which is fair. but yeah but uh but like he was so concerned with this game that he like even like begged the the person that he made this like sales appointment with

and I'm like dude this is a sales pitch it's an appointment for a sales pitch for a guy that's probably not going to buy shit from you anyway yeah now is when you say fuck it I'm not going you got to stay at the game with your kid and he leaves the game and just leaves his kid

in a crowded fucking stadium full of people I was like what in the hell is wrong with this dude although that was probably just the beginning of his problems but that was a big a big red flag let me let me know drag real quick right here because somebody that's in mental health like myself like you it's funny because like in 96 when it came out he's the villain of this story, right?

But now, as society has changed and there's been more awareness of, like, mental illness, like, he would be kind of like very sympathetic. If this was made today, it would be more of a sympathetic story. Because it's out, just from what you guys are describing, it's obvious that he had a lot of mental health issues, you know, and even the way he talks to the boyfriend and also just, you know, the fact that he's, he's delusional, he has delusions of grandeur. He's got this idea that he had this career when it was just literally,

So there's a lot going on there. And so now it's more like, you know, let's empathize with this guy because it's an illness instead of like calling him an asshole because we know now that he's probably not in control of his emotions and the way that he thinks. So it's interesting how, you know, society kind of changes that. This came on in 96 and it was easy to write him as a villain at that time. Yeah. It is. Although public service announcement, just because you have mental health issues doesn't mean you're not an asshole. That's true. They could exist in the same world for sure. For sure. Trust me. I know that.

Yeah, because it's never said, but I felt like it was implied that he was abusive to the wife. Yeah, I guess it was. It was kind of implied. He obviously had a short fuse. Yeah. Because, you know, he played De Niro, you know, like he was mobstered Niro, but like as a crazy deranged dad where everything goes. wrong all the time. He's super aggressive with his sales pitch to that little montage of him trying to sell knives. Yeah.

You want the big motherfucker or the little motherfucker which one do you want? Hey, I'd have bought a knife from that guy. I'll tell you that. So he was developmentally challenging a more aggressive way. He wasn't picking his rear end and sniffing it like John

Travolta was in that one movie, right? Yeah. No, yeah, he was a normal guy. He just, he, like, fucking went off the deep end and just had some crazy delusions. It was completely obsessed with this baseball player. It became the only thing that was important to him. Yeah, and it came down to the point where the last thing that he wanted to hear was thank you. Yeah.

Well, and it was like, it wasn't even about the success of his team. It was the success of this one guy that he backed. which was weird to me. Yeah, because what's his name was killing it for them? Benicio del Toro? Benicio del Toro? He's badass in this one. I liked it.

I mean, he wasn't in it for a long. I am number 11. Yeah. El-Ele. But, yeah, I like this one, man. This kept my attention the whole time. Did you think about Wesley? Yeah, Wesley was super fucking.

cool in this he was like he played the nice guy right and he was just going through normal baseball player shit and he was kind of having a slump and all the fans were dogging on him and i think it kind of said something about that too because you know sports fans are real quick to to turn on people when they're not doing well i like how this tells you how times have changed because everybody's so outraged that he got a 40 million dollar deal i know Baseball players are getting close to 40 million a year. Yeah, yes. Well, not the Dodgers.

They deferred everything, so not yet. But yeah, Tonny's at 600 mil, and Juan Soto's at 700 mil, so it's a lot of money nowadays. That's more than 10 times the amount of this contract from 20 years ago. Yeah, and that's like the big talk in the first half of this movie. You think he's really worth all that money, and I just keep thinking. that's nothing nowadays yeah 40 million that's the minimum nowadays i think yeah that's freaking miles garrett just got paid 40 million a year for a as a freaking defensive end it's like holy crap dude we're never be able to sign anybody again i also like the john leg was arm on

it as the his agent yeah the the the comedic relief to this type of movie. Good comedic relief. And he played the agent very well. Everybody in this movie did really, including the kid that played Wesley Snipes' son.

Yeah. Like, the acting was pretty on point. This is a super underrated movie, man. I had a really good time with this one. That was, uh, that was, uh, Lequizamo in his prime too when he was doing everything. Uh, I pulled up his I and DB. He was in Romeo.

and Juliet, the fan, executive decision, the pest, bond, and all those were getting big releases all within like a year from each other. I remember. I had John Leku Zambo. He was everywhere for a while. And then him and Wesley Snipes did the two-wong-foo movie. Yeah, that was a two-won-foo. That's right.

Swayzy. That was a weird one. But yeah, man, I definitely enjoyed this one. You got anything else to add or you want to go scores? We can go scores. What do you think? I think this is a solid... I'm going to give it at eight.

Yeah? Yeah, I think it's a solid eight. I love the performances. The story was good. De Niro is an absolute crazy man throughout this. And I really can see what you're saying, Pedro, about him being kind of sympathetic. and he he just played that role

perfectly and it just kind of ramped up as the movie was gone until he just kind of exploded at the end yeah and because you kind of almost were rooting for him yeah especially in the beginning

when just everything was going bad and like his ex-wife's an asshole to him and although he's you know he's not a whole lot better and I like Leslie Snipes progression as his character Yeah

When he started hitting again And then What was Robert De Niro's character's name? Gil When he asked him Is because you got your number back And he was like

No, I just stopped caring About what everybody thought Yeah And that wasn't That wasn't good That wasn't good enough For Gil Yeah

He was like No I got you Your fucking number back Say thank you You're doing better Because of me but i have a question you guys have to fill in the blanks here how do how do they even start having conversations he's an athlete and one's a fan like how does bobby d end up in that inner

circle to where they could have dialogue like that he first when he has a conversation with him it's over the radio station he he's constant calling as a guest and then he starts throughout the movie he starts stalking him okay he tries to snag him in a bar and wesley snops is like i he literally talk to the hand he does that thing and then eventually he's like stalking him

and he's at his house by the beach and his son starts to drown in the water and he acts like he just happened to be there to save his son just walking on the beach and that's how he gets invited okay he gets invited

and that's when he starts stealing shit from his house he wears his jersey and stuff. Yeah, like his former team jersey. Yeah. He's got it underneath his jacket. Yeah.

That got weird. Although, like, it almost seemed like when he went to rush out to save the kid. Like. It was a genuine thing. Yeah, it was a genuine. Like, it didn't come from a bad place. But then as soon as he seen Bobby Rayburn, Wesley Snipes' character, he was like, fuck, yeah. Yeah.

I'm in. And then it got creepy. He saw all his hats on the shelves, and he was like, are these all yours? Can I try one on? Yeah. Hey, it's the same size. It fits my head just like yours. And Wesley's just like, okay.

You know what probably gives another layer of creepiness is that Robert De Niro's like a way older man than Wesley at this point. And so if it was like a young guy, right, like somebody like 21, 22, maybe, like, oh, it's not as creepy. creepy, but this is like an old man, and he's over here obsessing about this younger guy, you know, it's creepy as fuck. Yeah, he does such a good job of just obsessing, like Phil brought up earlier, like Benicio's character, Primo. Like, he's just fucking doing awesome. And you can hear, you can hear Gil in the crowd while everybody's cheering.

He's like, boo, put Bobby in. Yeah, I was like, he just got a run scored for you. hating on Bobby because he's sucking ass. He even says, I can't hit the side of a barn. He admits I'm having the worst year of my career. But Primo's killing it, so the team's still winning. He just decides that, nah, fuck this guy. He's messing it up for my guy.

That's a different level of psychopathic right there. Are you a fan of the team or a fan of the dude? sounds like he was a fan of the dude I'm a fan of the dude but yeah it's a solid eight for me yeah I'm gonna go eight too man I think the writing maybe

wasn't the best because it it sort of made some jumps that didn't exactly make sense but with De Niro and Snipes they pulled it off and I think the acting

performances were there and it was it was a really quality movie i enjoyed watching this one did it have all the all the jassy like like uh jump shots that um tony scott usually puts in his movies or those jump cots and all that stuff or was it just kind of a basic linear movie that's pretty linear okay usually with his action movies he's like that with all these different cuts and edits and you know kind of like michael bay and stuff so oh yeah You guys got me excited for it, so I'm going to check it out for sure. Yeah, like, I hadn't watched that one since it came out, and I had a really good time with it. Yeah, if you love sports movies and psychological thrillers, you get it both in one movie.

All right, cool. All right, we'll move on to Borderline, the brand new one. Hello? I miss you a lot. Let's see, from 2025, a bodyguard protects a person. pop superstar and her athlete boyfriend from a determined stalker in 1990s Los Angeles. I know we're not in spoilers, but is that guy supposed to be Dennis Rodman? I sort of got that idea from him.

Was she supposed to be Madonna and he's supposed to be Dennis Rodman? Because I heard this was based off of a situation that happened with Madonna. Oh, maybe. Because that was, that was, I sort of got a Madonna kind of impression from her. and a Dennis Rodman sort of feel from her from him although I I thought he was gay for the majority of the movie I was like wait a minute some people try to be in a relationship so yeah I was like I'm not sure this gonna work uh directors Jimmy warden uh writers also Jimmy warden stars samara weaving Ray Nicholson and Eric Dane Mick Steamy

Oh, which I also see Ray Nicholson and Novocaine, Jack Nicholson's son. Yeah. He's also in that movie. Yeah. I'm excited to see some more stuff from him. What did you think of Nova came? It was fun. It was, it was, I liked it better than Love Hurts.

I mean, it's kind of like this almost the same premise. You know, this big chase movie throughout the entire runtime. Yeah, no, I really enjoyed it. I think I give it like at 7 on 10 or something like that. Yeah. That's pretty much one of the man with it. All right. Pedro, what do you think about borderline?

So this was interesting because this was coming off the heels of me having conversations with Lance about Opus. And Lance, I'm not going to spoil Lance his opinion on Opus. I want him to share it on the show with you guys. But he had a lot of questions. I really enjoyed that movie. I gave Opus maybe like an 8 on 10. I thought it was amazing. But it's not perfect, of course.

So again, he kind of told me go watch this one, because this is the one. the one we're supposed to do so i went i went in and i watched it and then he said he was enjoying it more than opus and i'm like come on bro like there's so many things so here's the thing you have to kind of buy into the comedy aspect of this movie very early on because it's very very very silly and then and i wasn't ready for that uh i went into it blind i was excited you know samarrow weving We all love her. You know, great, great, great resume. Really, like, one of the best, like, scream queens that we have going today.

So I read a little bit of the premise, and the premise is not really what happens. The premise is it said in Los Angeles in 1990s, a pop star's home is broken into by an obsessive fan who believes they are getting married. Now, that's part of the story, because there's all kinds of side characters that get involved in all that. and that's when it goes from being like a thriller to like being like a cartoon. This movie eventually turns into a cartoon at points. So I wasn't cool with it. But again, that was just me in that mindset at that time. I could see how people would really like this movie.

You know, I just felt like it was way too silly. And once I was in that mode, I wasn't taking it seriously. There was nothing at stake because it was so safe. It reminded me of those Netflix movies that they're producing nowadays where everything is so safe. You know? Oh, I got it. including there was a scene later on where i was okay now we'll talk about it in spoilers now it got dark where a particular character uh quote unquote dies but but you know later on whatever happens happens

and so yeah so once i wasn't in with the premise i i wasn't really digging the movie it had it tried to give you those like quentin tarantino wacky characters right and there was a couple of them like that you know there was the girl uh and then there was the other guy the the heavy set guy that you know you know, that took out the cop. So I don't know. It was, I thought, I thought this film was trying too hard at times to like make me laugh and it just wasn't working. And it had a lot of cliche characters that you see, you've seen another movies done better. So by the time we got to the end, I was just kind of checked out.

But again, I could see how people would really like this movie because there are people that are into like this kind of comedy horror. Like, that's a big thing right now. So I could see how people would like it. You know, so, yeah, so it was all right. I mean, it's a time-waster for me, you know? So that's where I'm at with it. Time-wester. Put that on the Blu-ray.

I wanted to really love this movie, but it kind of fell short for me. I didn't think it was going to be as comedic as it ended up being. I felt like they underutilized Samara Weaving. I felt like she was not the star, more of a side. side character. Oh yeah, it was definitely a Ray Nicholson movie. Which I did like his performance. Yeah.

I thought it was pretty good. But even he disappears for like a big part of the movie, too. And they're focusing on the side characters. I noticed that he also kind of vanishes for at least a good 10 minutes in the middle of the movie. Yeah, they kind of focus on without getting the spoilers, like her security guard and what he's got going on. And I was just kind of like, what the fucker? we doing? Why are we? I thought this was about this guy obsessed with Samara Weaving's character and he thinks that

they're getting married and I want to get into that and I wanted to get crazy and wanted to ramp up and it and when it's there's a scene I felt like it was the movie's going to start to ramp up and then it was just that scene and then the movie kind of died down and I kind of wanted to be more thriller than than comedy and I didn't really get that. And like I said earlier, Pedro, we even brought it up.

We're all big fans of Samara Weaving. Yeah. Don't advertise her as the star of the movie, put her on the poster, and then just have her be like a side character almost. Yeah, because she kind of is, isn't she? Yeah. Yeah, because I feel, I'm sorry, Phil,

I feel like at times it's the security guard story that we're following. Yeah. That's how I felt. Yeah, maybe had they not had those characters in it, they probably could have pulled off something, maybe a little smoother. Although, I don't know, I kind of didn't hate it. It was definitely sillier than it probably should have been. and didn't really have the weight of the tension in the moments that should have been tense. Having said that, Samara Weaving has, like, great comedic timing with her eyebrows in particular.

And I thought she killed it. I thought Ray Nicholson did amazing in this movie. I hope to see some more great stuff from him. I think this was a great performance from him that's probably going to go totally under the radar. And one day he's going to win an Oscar, I think. But we'll see. He's just got to be careful, though,

because I do see him kind of landing in that Michael Shannon like role where he gets typecast as like that creepy weirdo guy when you need one of those guys. So he's got to be careful to avoid that, that pitfall because, you know, Michael Shannon is great, but he's, he kind of plays Michael Shannon and everything you see him in, you know, so, yeah, yeah, he's got to be careful with that. But yeah, no, you're right. He is a pretty good actor. Uh, but I think this, this may be his, like, kind of breakout role where, uh, where maybe this puts his foot in the door to something else.

I think this will become, like, like, like, you say, like, if he wins a big award, people, be like, go back and check out this performance. Yeah. And for me, like, so I definitely the movie wasn't as tense as it could have been, but it sort of kept it lighthearted the whole time, and I don't hate that. And that last scene with Ray Nicholson, and we'll get into it in spoilers, but like that, that was the one where I was like, oh, wow, man, this kind of made the movie for me. Yeah. I had a pretty good time with it, man.

I thought it was pretty good. All right. Let's go scores and spoilers. Pedro, what do you think about score? I'm going to go six on ten on this one. Six on ten. Brian, what do you think? I'm going to have to go a little bit lower.

This is kind of right there in the middle of five. I'm going to go seven. I had a pretty good time. I enjoyed the performances probably more than the movie. That's fair. That makes any sense. All right, let's get into spoilers.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Why are we focusing on the security guard

and meeting his family. Good question. Yeah, like his wife literally had nothing to do with the movie at all. And then we're getting introduced to Ray Nicholson's sidekicks and get no backstory on their motivation to do anything.

I kind of don't hate that because that French chick was hilarious. She was. And I like that scene where she's like, oh, I write songs. Let me sing one for you. And then they get into a duet and start singing each other, singing with each other.

And then she just snaps on her again and starts beating the fuck at it. Samarra Weaving. That was hilarious. But I just didn't understand why they just appeared. And this other guy that apparently just does whatever Ray Nicholson says. Yeah, they have no backstory. And then the poster nor the premise tell you that they're going to be in the movie. I thought it was going to be more of like a canon mouse thriller, you know,

where Ray Nicholson's trying to get in the house and she's trying to kind of like avoid him getting in the house. I was down for that. Like, okay, let's do this. But it wasn't all cartooning like that. You know, when his friend, when Ray Nicholson's friend kills the cop,

the one that's protecting the bodyguard, that was like a wily coyote scene right there, you know? All you needed was the guy to have a big old mallet and go shh, and like tiptoe. his way to the cop. It was like, come on. It was just, yeah, it wasn't, I didn't like it. You didn't like the cop doing the musical number? No,

that's right. I love that scene. It was fantastic. I will say a couple things at this standout that I really like going back to praising tomorrow we've exacting ability, not just her comedic timing but also just her range because for a minute, like, remember there's that same way Ray Nicholson

finally gets in the house and then he hugs her from behind, right? And she's, she's telling us so much, just with her facials. Like, yeah. She's like, she can't believe this motherfucker came in. She can't believe that he's there. What's going to happen next? I even came in, but came back.

Yeah, came back. And also, now she has to also, at the same time, she's telling the audience, I have to, I have to mess with this guy and play it off like I'm happy to, like, not happy, but, you know, like, she can't be, she cannot act scared because then that's going to activate him. So it was an amazing performance. Just, you know, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, scene right there for both of them actually both them did a great job um so so that so that was so that was pretty cool she does that like office stare down the camera thing really well yeah yeah that was a nice

scene right there and that and and that's where i thought okay now we're going to turn it around but we didn't turn around it got it got even sillier after that um one of the things when i was saying earlier about there it was very quote unquote netflixy was obviously we saw that we saw the bodyguard get killed. We saw him get shot in the head. And then later on, you know, it's a comedy scene, right, where the girl comes in with her car and he just, oh, I got shot in the head and he just shakes

it off and then he takes off in her car. Wasn't it that her assistant? Was that? Okay. Yeah. And she just happened to be in the fucking woods. Well, I knew when he got shot he wasn't dead. I was like he missed it. I was kind of hoping

he was dead. So we can get away from that whole storyline. Yeah, yeah, no, you knew if you were following the movie, right, you're like, no, this guy's too much of a character at this point for him to just be dead like that. So you kind of figure he was going to come back. But I just felt like, I hate when a movie plays it safe like that. And I was like, come on. I thought it would be cool if you, if you, we follow this guy around and then he gets

killed in the middle of the movie. I was like, okay, now we're going somewhere, you know, but it didn't happen. He came back and he just brushed it off. And then he, you know, ended up being the hero of the story pretty much. Because it was really his movie when you think. about it well that that in the ray nicholson and and the scene that i was talking about was him just in the in the limo like while the credits are rolling and he's going i figured pedro you would probably appreciate this part as a psych guy right no you i did i did because like he he goes from this

like happy go lucky smiling and laughing because he's in the back of a limo but he's actually in the back of a cop car on the way to the police station and then like there's this moment of clarity where he starts freaking out and like sort of crying and it's all no words it's like while the credits are rolling and it's just facial expression stuff then he kind of goes back yeah to where he was before yeah he starts like crying and and freaking out a little because you know reality and then he's like up no i'm going back into my fantasy land and now everything is happy again yeah that was and that's like his coping skill right it's like okay I got to play this part because it hurts too much to be the real me right now.

So I'm just going to go right back to this character. And like you said, there's no dialogue itself. There's not even body, really. It's all facials. Yeah. So that was pretty cool. I did like that scene a lot. And that's almost like something from another movie.

Like that's like serious shit right there that we're seeing. Yeah. And then he just, yeah, that's when it goes to black. But yeah. And it was long, too. Like I wonder if they fuck with them and just say, just keep on going. Like maybe they didn't yell cut, you know? Because it went on forever.

It was putting pretty much all the credits. I thought that was cool. They just let him go. And I was like, all right, here's some acting chops. I like it. Pedro, do you think watching a movie, do you think his character knew he had problems? No.

No, because in his mind, everything was real. Everything was real. Sorry, sorry, not to cut you off. Oh, go ahead. Earlier in the, when he first breaks into her house, in the beginning and he stabs the security guard he thinks that she's her but he knows that he did wrong and he has to go away he knows he's in trouble for what he did yeah yeah but that could be thinking that he heard he heard her right that he thought yeah so that's probably why oh maybe well

i although i okay so there's a ryan reynolds movie where he plays a guy who is sort of in the same situation. Is that what it's called voices? Yes. Where he talks to the dog and the cat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so, like, he's, so he kind of has that moment in the movie where he, like, takes medication for a minute and realizes his apartment is a fucking disaster.

There's, like, blood and guts and trash and shit all over the place. And then he stops taking the medication and everything is. Yeah, that's the medication working right there. Yeah. everything is back to Fantasyland again where it's happy and it's fun. And so that was sort of the feeling that I got from this with Ray.

And I don't know if it did it, I don't know if it did it quite as effectively, but I really appreciated that scene at the end. I thought that was really cool. Oh, I like that too. Yeah, I like that too. Because sometimes you are going to come out of your delusional state. It's, you know, it's one brain that's trying to constantly

recalibrate and so and and then you could actually wheel yourself back into that state if you if you don't like how you feel when you're in your real state so well that's kind of the problem is i once reality hits it's like oh this sucks i don't want to be here yes and then you just go back yeah yeah it's like well did he know what's happening yeah he's just he's just he he prefers to live in his own little world where that stuff doesn't happen. Right. But it's also the rationale, too. I mean, they know what's happening. They know what they're doing, but it's the rationale that keeps them thinking they're in the right. You know what I'm saying? So, so, I mean, yeah, they know what they've done, but it's like, well, I did this because this and because of that. And so they keep

on justifying it. So that's really what's happening too. Yeah. Making excuses. Yeah. Yeah. The whole thing was nuts. It was definitely silly. and I can see where you're coming from. But I had a good time of it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I was fair to it because I did say that I came in expecting something else. And I hate punishing a film when I have my own narrative in my head and it doesn't match that narrative. Like, I don't think it's fair to the film to punish it for that.

So I always say that, you know what, if I would have been in another state of mind, if I would have read the premise and it would have said, this is a comedy about all these guys and girls that go into it. And then, okay, that's different. But I thought it was going to be like a thriller, like a very serious thrill. I'm like, okay, let's do this. And it wasn't. So it's not the film's fault. You know, I just had the wrong idea.

Yeah, I had no idea what I was going into when I clicked on it. But, you know, Samara weaving is pretty good at doing those black comedies. And I think that's sort of where her lane is because she's just great with the eye acting, you know. All right. I think that's it. All right. All right. Well, shit.

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You could vote for all the matchups. And I wanted to clarify one thing, because I don't know if it's not, it's not, they're not actually fighting each other. It's mostly pretty much the franchise that you like the best, you know? You're not going to have goals face versus the Wolfman and see who would win because that would be weird. I don't even know what the Wolfman wins that, for sure. But the point is that, no, it's more about what do you think? What is your comfort food?

Do you throw on Screen 3 randomly and have a good time with it, or do you throw on the Wolfman or whatever? That's really what we're looking for, you know, that's because that's really what it's about. So yeah, so go ahead and vote and yeah, well, it'll come out soon and yeah, we'll make it worth it. Because I'm going to be drinking during that show. So I've already said it. So I might have a good time. All right. Well, until the horror returns again, Brian.

Good night.