The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #461: March Madness (2025) - Icon Of Horror

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Once again at THR, it's March Madness...in April. Pedro takes the wheel to host this week as we are joined by Matt from Eternal Darkness of Not so Spotless Minds, and Sean, Alil, and Steve from The Geekz. Which horror icon deserves to be at the top of the hill? Tune in and find out. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Regings victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware, this podcast contains major plot spoilers, and the foulest, of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Turns, I'm Lance, and with me as always, my co-host, Brian,

Philip ain't here, but that's okay because this is our annual March Madness, turn-em-up bracket episode. So we got a slew of guests here. First of all, you guys know him and love him, Steve from the geeks, but he's not alone. Steve brought

Frankencents and mer, I guess. I don't know. What am I supposed to say here? We got Sean Anna Leal also from the geeks. What's going on, guys? What so? All right. And then we got from across the pond, of course,

our good friend, you all know him and love him. He of the four and a half hour podcast. The new binge cast, Brian, apparently. But yeah, we've got Matt from the UK. and they tell us about your podcast Matt uh hi everybody yeah brought uh what the fuck does i bring oh pig flamingos you all to enjoy yes i'm sorry about that uh but yeah no i'm obviously the UK

um what do we do yeah just horror podcasting um we've got an episode out today which is seen ghosts from 2001 and uh next month we got a couple of Australian cunts joining us in the form of Tim Davis and the mushroom and the dummies of Porr. So looking forward to that. Other than that, yeah, I'm looking forward to joining you guys. And this is my first March Madness. So looking forward to it.

Cool. All right. And of course, we got to have a host if we're going to do a March Madness. So Pedro, you put this whole thing together, man. This year is your baby. So take it from here. Yeah, man. It's March Madness, baby.

I've been on these now. I think this is like my seventh year in a row, and they're always a fun time. I get to get my drink on here early in the morning. But it's not that early. It's the 1 o'clock already over here in L.A. But yeah, you know, other years we've had tournaments. What will have we cover?

Best Kale, worst movie, most elevated horror, which was a very divisive tournament that one year. Last year, we had feminist horror, which was a panel of all women, which was pretty cool. And so, yeah, this year, we're going to look at the icons of horror, like a real tournament. We're not going to have Darth Vader winning a horror tournament here for some reason. And yeah, this year we decided to get the audience involved, right?

The listeners of the show by putting up polls in the first round. We have, I believe it's 40, 40 of the top horror icons. So there was some that were left out. So, you know, I could have put more, but we'll be here all day. So fuck that. So yeah, so I have some of the criteria here. The criteria that's for the tournament so we don't get, like once you get we don't get fucking Darth Vader as the,

as the representative of the horror community, is relevancy in the horror community, which is important, recognition within the, say, who's your favorite horror icon? And they'll say Freddie Kruger, Jason Borges, that count, stuff like that. Or if you go to Hot Topics and they got little hats like these, that's a horror icon.

Having the films be recognized as horror films, not as sci-fi or fantasy or horror adjacent. Must be recognized as horror villains. That's why we can't have like Ash or even Sam, you know, because they're considered like quote-unquote like good guys or, you know, advocates for the horror genre. And this is not a who would win in a fight tournament either.

This is who your fair horror icon is, whether through historical relevance of films or straight up comfort food when it comes to these characters. In other words, what characters do you like the most? You know, what movies do you like the most? That's all. That's the only criteria here.

so let's have fun with this and uh so the so we like i said earlier we had some pose up uh the winner of those polls will go into the tournament uh with already with one vote so if you want the if a character wins the polls which i've already tallied them up they go into the first round already having one vote for for themselves uh and that's pretty much it so we're going to get started i really quick i got it because sean you've been mentioning darts vader not winning Sean is a host of a show called Star Geeks. We love Star Wars over here. No, no, I love Spurs.

But, Sean, you might not know this, that they already had a top horror icon bracket and Darth Vader won. I thought you didn't shot at me. I was like, well, wait a minute. Darth Vader is a killer, so like, why not? But all right, we can wait. We ain't got to be.

It's all good. Yeah, no, no, yeah. But Darth Vader is not representative of the horror community or, you know, he's not a villain, right? an icon of like movie villains but he wouldn't be a horror icon let me get my star wars hat then hold on yeah in all in all fairness it was best horror villain was the category not icon for say so but i'll consider it's kind of strange that you won yeah i've i've got a question sorry so it's

is it we're voting for who we think personally our favorite yes but it's got to be it's got to be in the bracket that you have. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So we're starting right now. Go ahead. Okay, not like a... So, say, like, to say Frankenstein is obviously considered like one of the, you know,

the originals. And they put them up, I don't know, somebody would prefer, like, leather face. I prefer leather face personally. Take leather face. Yes. Okay, right. Yeah, all right.

Yeah. That's kind of what... That was kind of one of my concerns when I came up with this tournament. I didn't want like the like the historical relevance to really influence a lot of this. It should be a part of it, right? You should take it into consideration. But at the end of the day, like I said, is your comfort food because horror itself is

comfortable, right? We go to it as a coping scale, whenever we're filling down or we're going to distract ourselves just to have a good time. So 3D one against Annabel. And we all know Annabelle. So Lance will start with you. Oh man. Just...

The... The craziness of that remake and the... All the gratuitous nudity. Movies and spinoffs and more money for, you know, my... My Bloom House, Pedro. Okay. All right, so you're going with Annabel. All right, Matt, who do you got?

I'm causing some serious shit, and that's the kind of shit I want to see. Anabel just kind of sits there and sits there in the background. So, no, fuck her. I'm going for the... Apparitis and the whole... little pipe thing. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. All right, so you're going with the minor Harry Warden, all right. Sean, what do you say you? I'm going with Annabelle.

Okay. All right. Steve, what about you? I got to go. My bloody man, I'm telling the mine. I actually like both versions of the movie, and I don't really like Annabelle. So I like killer dolls, but not Annabelle. She's like it. All right. Brian, what do you say? I'm going to go with the minor. Same reasons. Great look, great kills.

Yeah, it's a little. A little. Okay, what do you got? I'm with the minor. I mean, Annabelle, that bullshit supernatural crap is garbage. A guy walking around with a pickax, you know, taking it right to the forehead.

Like, I loved that. I just recently watched my bloody balance. I'm both of them. Annabelle doesn't have a laundromat scene either. I'm just going to throw that out there. Yeah. Very, very, very. true. And the first one is

got awful. The first Anabar is unwatchable almost. I mean, they recont... They reconged it. Yeah, they recanted in the second... Anybody wants to die on the hill of the first Annabelle or what's going on? Oh, no, Lance just took off, okay? He just walked away because he was upset.

He was crying. Yeah, no, they did a good job recounting it in the second one, which was, you know, it was pretty clever. And the second one is okay. And the third one is decent, but the first one is just unwatchable to me. So I'm going with the minor. That 2009 3D version is fucking awesome. It's just a good time.

You know, and I saw it in 3D in the theater. So, so I'm going with the minor. So we have see, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. There's 7 of us. We had to make some of justice here on the Air Force because there's people that didn't show up. And let's see what the, what the poll says. Yeah, the poll gave it to the minor. So the minor advances. There you go. And by the way, I just had to go

adjust the air conditioning. I'm in Florida. So am I. I have the fucking heater on right now. It's not even that hot yet, Lance. Come on. We were supposed to get rain today here in Melbourne. We didn't get it. We got some. Not a lot. All right. So the mine's alive.

The miners are going to have a road ahead of them in that next round. Is there a bracket that we're looking at, or are you just kind of just doing it on the flag. No, I said you the bracket. Oh, no. I thought we were doing it on the screen or something like that, like we're sharing. No, I'm just looking at my archive.

Oh, this is a horror. Thanks, Steve. All right. So let's go with the next one. Now, the next one's pretty interesting is the creeper from Jeepers creepers. Not the director of the creeper. We're talking about the creature that he created versus the tall man from the Fantasm series. What do you say?

I'm going to Fantasms. The Carl dude. Fantasms. shit creep me out as a kid so I like that dude. The creeper, I don't who's the creeper? Is that like a monster or something like that? Like he got a little ball of the dude do to work. I don't care about that dude. No, no.

Gers, Cooper's a cool, fucking monster. Like, I like that. All right. So you got the, okay, so you got the creeper. Let me check because I have put a phantasm, but, you know. Oh, my bad. Don't worry. I got a bracket, too. Oh, good. All right, Lance.

Oh, man. I, oh, dart for artists on that particular one. yes all right so you're going with the tall man all right uh I have to go with the tall man just the unpredictableness

of the movies the creepers movies as as they went on in sequels they just got worse and worse and worse so go with the tall man all right um in all fairness it was pretty fucking horrible too

yeah at least they went out and filmed it in front and then i think the last phantasm like there was a couple of people that were literally under deathbed already you know including the tallman so um a horror icon itself so that's not that's movie series because some of these movie series get really bad so that's right great yeah yeah well you see us bad i see but sometimes he's like a lot of conscious all right so so a little so what do you go who do you go with well i mean i have i have sentiment as Sean made a good point.

Like the tall man has an iconic visuals where he's just popping up and just making that face and just doing, you know, just peering out of nowhere. But it's, it's the creeper. Like, if I was in a room with the tall man or the creeper, the creeper's going to kill the shit out of me. And the tall man is just going to scare me.

Yeah, sex. Fuss the tall man. Motions are going to be affected by this, right? And then we also have the thing logistically. Like, the creeper as a creature is scarier. And, I have the, I have, I have the Fantasams DVDs.

I do not have the Jeepers' Creeper's DVDs. So, like, I tell you that, but I'm, but I think the Creeper probably holds more weight than the tallman. All right. All right. Steve? Yeah, I'm going, we're going Geeks three for three on the creeper. He's just got an iconic design.

He's got the coat that's actually wings. He's got the cool. And he takes 23-year naps at random intervals. Like, he just disappears for 23 years. And then he comes back. Like, Pennywise. So we're going to talk about. anyways yeah all right i'm matt uh i'm gonna go for tall man

to it uh but the actual character of the tall man boy yeah come on it's it's it's iconic it's just him saying that is you know he's yeah he's got more he's got more creepiness to him i mean he's this fucking dude this big tall dude is the tall is the tall man is he like supernatural? Yeah. Oh, I thought he was an old man to die. I thought he's an old-ass man. Well, it's hard. It's extra-dimensional.

But it's also hard because those movies are all like filled with like symbolism and they're all like very abstract. So we don't even know what the fuck the tall man is, to be honest with it. I don't remember. I don't, I don't even know who direct. Is it Don Coscarolli? Yeah, I don't even think he knows.

And meanwhile, the creeper, they over-explained. Road movie, right, with like an action road movie. Reggie Bannister having like that four sawed, like that sawed up shotgun with like four holes on it and shit. So yeah, so, so yeah, we don't really know. My question to you is, is he the killer or the balls the killer? Like, are the metal balls?

Like, do we count those as characters? Yeah, but he controls them, yeah. Yeah, but he's got his minions too. He's got his minions too. He's got his little minions. Yeah. As an 80, one sudden, Tom and the other, I'd be like, I'm fighting the Talman.

I'm not going to Like, I'm not going to Like, you know, I don't want to I don't need that kind of shit Here's more iconic, it's all, man, surely. Oh, iconically, yeah. I mean, yeah. The movies are better as a series,

but I'm one for, I love creature features, so I hold creatures above regular ass dudes. For one, two, three, four, one, two, three. So, everybody's taking a turn, right? Yeah. By the way, I'm drinking today, so I don't know how long I'm going to last as the host of this thing. But I'm going to make, I'm going to go. This is a hard one, but I'm going to go with the creeper.

Again, as far as like, let's say I'm bored on a Saturday and I want to throw something on, I feel like I'm going to throw a Jeepers creepers movie before I throw a phantasm movie, right? Because you have to actually sit there and really watch Fantasal movie. And again, we already explained the creature design is amazing. The motivations. we know the whole backstory. Remember, the legendary Ray Wise is in part two where this motherfucker goes to sleep and Ray White sits in front of the motherfucker ready to kill him as soon as he wakes up. We actually haven't gotten a conclusion to that because the third one

was in between one and two, which fucking sees. Always. And we'll get to the cornfield later. So the creeper advances. Let's see here. The next one. Oh, this is another one. And this one was interesting. because the post told me a lot here and in the polls death ran away with it see that's a good example right there

just because the film is like a classy film it doesn't mean it doesn't put on the page so here we go so we'll start with Lance we'll go back to you what do you think about Norman Bates versus death from the final destiny

and Psycho 2 is actually a damn good sequel. Surprising the good sequel. Almost as good as one, a lot of people say. All right. Sean, what do you say? I mean, I get, it's deathlight, it's like an entity. Like, I don't, I'm confused or like, yeah, but it's fuck with you.

It's whatever it is that starts those little, you know, fucking chain in motion. You know what it's, let's just say that the late Tony Todd was probably the physical, Norman Bates. Hey, I'm going with Norman Bates. because death is just not.

Bates, man. Plus, it's classic, psycho. Good point. I'm going to agree with Sean. I mean, we're talking about icons. If you haven't even seen the movie, you know Psycho, you know Norman Bates, you know the music, you know the shower scene,

so I'm not to go with Norman Bates. No, you know the shovel scene, which is what, if you know the shovel scene, then you know Norman Bates. Yeah. Okay. All right, Steve? Yeah.

I thought when we were starting this that death was going to run away with it, but everybody's making valid points like death is nothing. Like it's cool, there's cool deaths in the franchise, but there's not a tangible, you're right, an action figure would be an empty box. Norman Bates. And people would fucking buy

that and then they would. Well, shit, I'd better go and just make a box and just sell it. Yeah. Just put the final destination logo on it. You're good to go. There you go. But see, it's kind of fucked up because death, even though we can't see it, it does have a personality.

Because it could literally just give all these people heart attacks. Why does they have to fuck with them like that? Why does they have to have these Rube Goldberest ways of them to die? You know? We're like a leaf on the wind that's going to mean like a fucking fork that is going to fall on top of you and shit. Like, that's pretty fucked up, you know? So because of that, I'm going with death. Because even though we can see it, I know it's around.

It has a personality. which is important to me, and I'm going to go with death. All right. Alio, what do you say? It's Norman Bates. Yeah, let's stick over here. Is there a whole movie about tax taxes? Exactly.

You know what I'm saying? Crazy. Fuck not. I don't think we have any demented kids in this fucking tournament. All right, Matt, what do you say? Yeah, for me, I'm a big fan of the, Final destination franchise where you decide what's going to happen next. But we're talking about icons of horror and he's fucking there.

And if you can't acknowledge that, then I don't know what we're doing here. But yeah, it's going to be of Norman Bates for me. All right. All right. So Norma. Death. So Norman Bates and Lance. And Lance.

Oh, yeah. That's right. So Norman Bates advances. Christine. Let's see what this guy has in the next round. Okay, it's really going to get interesting. Okay, here we go. The next one is versus Megan, one of Lance's favorites of the last couple of years.

All right. I'm going to, I'll start this one. Especially in Evil Dead one, I think the Deadites are very terrifying. You know, they take over pretty much all the girls in the Evil Dead. The first one. And for that reason alone, Megan's all right. I mean, Megan's just getting her feet wet. You know, we're barely going to get part two this year.

And so I'm going to go with the Deadites on this one. Alil, we'll start with you on this one. Oh, it's deadites. It hands down. Like, it's no quote. Megan doesn't deserve an icon status yet. She had one movie. It was fine.

I think it was PG-13. Yeah. Right then and there it disqualifies her for being a PG-13 horror film. And it's the Deadites. Evil Dead has many sequels. The Deadites are awesome. But I also question the Deadites being in here because it's not one character. Steve?

Yeah. Deadites. Like that dance, Megan wouldn't even exist. All right. Yeah. And the reason she's in here is for the reason that Brian said is that again, if you were to go up to a random on the street and like you said that stupid little annoying dance um and so that's why you know she's in here um matt what do you say i mean i Megan's great but yeah she's not there yet give her some time

she'll get further up the up the ladder but at the moment get out of here all right and Sean um we'll go dead nights too i was going to go make you look at that we got a clean suite That is our first clean sweep. And the Paul also chose the Deadites. So the Deadites move on. Good luck against Chucky coming up. We'll get there. Next one we have Victor Crowley from the Hatchet series versus Angela from the Sleepaway Camp series.

So Lance, we'll start with you on this one. Who do you got? I like this hatch. Angelette was that anything? Yeah. Probably the shitty movies. Other than in a violent nature, I'm not normally a huge slasher fan. It wasn't his hand.

It was his whole face. He got it all dumped on it. See, that's how much. He's screaming for a 15. All of them. And then they're garbage. But I keep watching them. Yeah.

Of course. Of course. Yeah. No, I'm going with Victor Crowley for sure. All right. Hold on. Let me put a... Okay.

I mean, yeah, those are just as absurd as, as, as the Sleep Away Camp movies. Sean, who are you going with? I'm going Sleepaway Cam. I'm going to Angela. Okay. Just because. Brian? Because she has the penis.

I'm about to go Victor Crowley. Amazing fun kills throughout the entire series. Yeah. No, it is, it is, I mean, if that's your thing, it's a pretty fun series. Steve. So, I know I've seen all of, the Hatchet movies and I've seen all the sleepaway camps, but I'm having a hard time remembering much from the Hatchet movies, except for that one guy from Grandma's boy.

He was in that first one. I don't even know what Victor Crowley looks like off the top of my head, but you know what I do remember? Angela's penis. Gross. Now, that's an action figure. Anatomically correct. As long as it doesn't.

As long as it doesn't fall off within shipping, guys, like Freddy's... That'll be one of those pieces that you can never find on the loose figure. Fuck. It's missing the deck. The camp is pretty damn iconic. However, Victor Kra- I'm going to have to go for Angela. Just for that whole end scene, really.

Sister. Pamela Springsteen. Yeah. And, like, nobody could ever find her. like they've released these Blu-ray special editions, you know, I think Screen Factory did them. You know,

super duper legendary brother. Sleepway came too also with the, that had one of the best posters. Oh yeah, that's really what they were. So they had a lot of fun with that. I do like the one where there's a couple of like gags that are like so absurd. They're just,

they're pretty awesome. The one where he, she ties up that one guy to the flagpole, and then she pulls them all the way up to the flag. And then she drops them and he falls on his head. And he just breaks his stuff. edges first. And then there's one where there's this guy

that's asleep and she puts a firecracker on his nose. And his head hole explodes. Yeah, but I think, so I think that was the rapper, I think. Alio, you seem to have a good memory of this. Was it the rap? Because she's rapping while she's doing. No, the rapper, she

threw a cassette tape in his tent and then he went to like grab it and then like beat him with a stick. That's right. weirdest thing and then put like a like a like a big tie like hammered like a big steak into him it was so bizarre and there's a sleepaway camp four of you guys in footage and 70 minutes of stock footage they pulled the godfather three all right so i'm sleepway camp five i think oh the survivor or something the survivor yeah where the original actress of angela came back

They brought back a lot of the living cast members back to that movie. It was bad. But she still had that iconic face at the end. Right. And also, Felisa Rose has, like, milked that character for all its worth. I mean, she hasn't done anything since then, but everybody knows her as that. The original Angela. Yep.

Um, what the hell? Hold on. You, you know, your poll is probably skewing young. That's what, that's what I'm taken from here. you know, Final Destination. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's the audience. It's the horror.

Not my audience. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, don't throw me under the, this is, these are the, these are the, these are the same people that hated Alien Romulus, before the movie came out, by the way. Because they said that it, that's right. That's right. They said that it looked, it was repetitious. Like, they, out of the two-minute trailer, that's, they said it was the same thing over

and over again. And I'm happy. All right. So the next one, I think this is like the first, like, reiss. This is going to be interesting. Yeah. And this is my complaint for this thing because, like, you guys should have ranked these guys because there's no way in the first round goes.

Correcting me. That's actually technically the second round. We're doing the wire card. Oh, we're going back to the, okay, because we did it in the top bracket. We did it. So we're going to go all the way to Damien Thorne versus Sadeco, I guess. From the Omen franchise Creep a little bastard

There's a kid right there, you know The first one anyway Um versus Sadek Man Nah, nah, I'm gonna go with the ring shit That ring shit creep me out So I'm going to right So you got one

Amy I get him in a room I'm gonna punch different people at you in an elevator And fuck you up so That's right, he's the antichrist man He's this damn back of his head I got to start praying no that damn thing be all in my face going through my hair and shit now I'm cool you ever you ever seen that that that face in the in the elevator like just kind of poke it now I'm cool I'd rather

that's a thing that's a thing about Sadeco once you see the damn tape you're fuck like what are you gonna do you can't you're done you know that's that's pretty scary right there so Lance who do you got Oh, come on, man. Popular culture. Who hasn't called their kid Damian? At least once. So, fuck, dude. I mean, I cannot, Lance, I cannot think of one person.

I was going to say, no one under the age of 40, Lance. Oh, okay. Well, I'm well past that, so. I'm cool, yeah. You're dating yourself, Lance. I've never heard anybody say, Damien? Like. The March Madness episode of.

Lance Carbon dated himself. In his little Amish suit in the first one, or I think it was the first one. Brian, who do you got? I'm not fucking with Damien. He gave his brother an aneurysm instantly in the second one, so, Damien.

All right. Steve? Yeah, I'm going with Sadeco. The ring, just the girl coming out of the TV with the hair in her face creeping around. That face, when they open the door and seen that girl what her face look like would all twisted and gnarro bro that was

nightmare fuel first time around so and let's be honest man that that coming out of the TV shit was iconic like that's still very very cool I do like I do like the omen movies but usually it's not Damien doing the shit that I think is cool you know me yeah so um anyways

Matt what do you got yeah I'm gonna go for Sudecu just kick him in the head even though he is the Antichrist I don't think I mean the film's iconic but I don't think he is as a character

whereas Good point that's a good point Sondeku you know that whole imagery of her coming out of the TV is as Steve said it's nightmare fuel that shit that people

remember and it is it's part of pop culture it's part of yeah so Sondaku all day long all right and um alio who do you got

yeah i'm gonna go with sedecu as well um just because if you go to any any kind right yeah so uh sadaico moves on all right now let's go to the other side

so this one relatively new film right I mean but we know it's going to get a sequel because it's already announced where we just reviewed in this show wait i got a question i got a quick question What about the Jigsaw Peney Wides? Is that a move-on thing or? I shouldn't be drinking.

Yeah, the Hart-Eyes killer. Yes, which was, I don't want to get started on that shit. Yeah. Versus the Wolfman. Do we even need to get this thing? Vote on this one? No. All right.

Okay, I'll just say, like I did like Hard Eyes. Sean Will, I don't know if you guys have seen it yet, so I don't want to spoil it. I liked it, but werewolves are my shit. shit, no. So whereos are going to keep getting my vote for a minute. Oh, fuck. At least tell the next round. Not after this round. All right, hold on. I'm not even looking ahead. Let's go ahead and put a Wolfman for Steve here.

All right. So, Matt, what do you say? The Wolfman, have you seen Hard Eyes? I have seen Hart Eyes. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was really good fun, some good kills and stuff. But, look, it's, yeah, not iconic. Wolfman all Wolfmen are created equal I don't like the original long chaney one I didn't like the new one But dog soldiers my shit is a one yeah great okay all right with wolves that's good see that's another that's another option But not the movie werewolves with junk trade grillo because that sucks too Wolfman all right lands wolfman's got nards

Hell yeah better than Damien. I give you credit for the moment. All right. Wolfman's got an art. That's a good movie. I just bought it on 4K. All right. And Sean, you said you haven't seen Hard Eyes, right? I haven't seen Hard Eyes, but I was going to go Wolfman anyway, no matter what. Okay. And, Leil, what about you?

Sam, I haven't seen it. I was waiting to review it with Steve for 31 days, so that's in my pile of shame. But it's Wolfman anyway. Like, he had one movie. He can't be an icon of horror yet. It's one movie. So you can't beat an icon if you're not yet up to icon status. So it doesn't matter. Wild card, man. That's right.

Because he has some better, there's some better kills and hard eyes than other killers have in their whole franchise. I'm just going to throw that out there. It's really interesting. No, and I can't wait to see it. And here's a thing. Here's a thing about the wolfman. Here's a thing about the wolfman. I respect the wolfman, original universal monster, all the tropes, right?

You guys are covering the howling right now. God bless you all for that, by the way, because. I wouldn't wish that my worst sending me. I'll be honest. Except for the Marcipio's. I like that one, part three. But some of these Wolfman movies, man, they're so boring, man.

They bored me to tears these movies, man. It's like, it's always the same shit, you know? But he's moving on, so that's all that matters. The Wolfman. All right. Just to get a heads up, I did build a, I don't know if you can see the share. I just shared it.

I did do a bracket so I don't know if you guys want to use it yeah yeah I can see yeah yeah so you make it yeah I ever you all want to do it I guess yeah yeah we can keep the videos right here so let me know if y'all can still see that that's pretty cool thank you yeah all right so next we're gonna move on to this is another one that only has one film but he's going against a film a franchise that we also cover here on the horror returns is Johnny from in a violent nature which Lance and Steve really like

versus other children of the corn. Oh shit. Oh yeah. Children of the corner are cool. Fuck Malachi. Malachi and what's the other guy called? The leader?

Isaac. Isaac. How could we forget about good old Isaac, man? Who actually comes back in 666, I believe. The original. 20 years later and doesn't grow an inch. yeah but his face shows the the bad miles the bad road well i mean he was like 37 in the first movie so yep so um all right so we'll start with sean who do you got did you see in a violent nature

Sean do i watch a violent nature y'all that's the one where it's like from the killers POB i don't think you did you did yeah i don't think you did so and by default i'm gonna go children of the corn because I did watch those. All right. Is Lance here? Yeah. Dude.

All right. Who do you got? You got Johnny or you got? I'm already pissed. I haven't even heard your response. You know who I'm going for. And with all due respect to Steve, who brought us the gift of all the fucking children of the corn.

Maybe some of which were really fucking fun, especially that urban harvest. Urban hardness is awesome. That's a good one. Yeah, I just, okay, you fuck it. I'm going, I'll go with Children of the Corn. No, come on, lad. I loved it.

I loved the movie. I loved it of violent nature. I thought it was revolutionary. I think it turned all your expectations on their head. You die on that fucking hill and are you just going to abandon shirt? Totally died. Yeah, I got to. Children at the Corn is more iconic.

More iconic. Give us, no, actually don't give us any more movies. I hope they ended it with that. I'm glad I didn't put a killer pool, a killer swimming pool on this tournament. Oh, I don't. That one's not in there? I was looking forward to that one. No.

Or a killer sofa, killer Christmas tree. That killer sofa was a fucking chair, though. I know. It's called killer sofa. Brian, who do you got? In a violent nature. That is still one of my worst movies I've seen last year. It's boring.

Everybody gets all hyped up because of one great kill. There's a great kill. I was going to say, there's more than one. I give it at least. Yeah, they were two. You got to wait for him to walk around the forest. You got to wait for him to swim. That's part of the fun, man.

Yeah, it's a little bit of anticipation. The slow burn, man. Do you play RPG video games, Brian? That explains. This is a lot of walking. We do a lot of walking. I'd rather watch more than you. Yeah.

Hey, hey, go, go to change his boat. It's three children. If you like the Lord of the Rings movies, then you'll definitely like In a Violent Nature because they put the shit on a lot of walking. If you could put the fucking score from Lord of the Rings on Innavile Nature, that would be awesome. I'm sure somebody I used who already has. All right. So Steve, who do you got? Children of the Corn. Here's the thing.

Only because, like, I don't think that any of the Children of the Corn movies are better than Inavile Nature, but there's only been one. Yeah. and I didn't really like his mask he'd had some cool kills but I didn't like Johnny's look at all so Children of the Corn gets me though All right Matt

I'm struggling with this one Children of the Corn is pretty iconic in many ways everybody knows of the films you know he got like he walks behind the rows or whatever that is

that's right it is kind of more iconic for the general public, I think. However, I loved in a violent nature. I thought Johnny was an excellent protagonist, and I liked his look, loved his kills. I've got to go for Johnny. I don't know. I kind of...

All right. I want to see his films more. All right. Leo, what do you say? Well, this is tough because I gave it to the Wolfman over Hard Eyes because Hard Eyes had one movie and the same thing with Johnny, right? But I hate those children in the communities. They're so fucking boring. And, you know, I grew up in Cornfields, man, in Illinois and stuff, we used to drive to the Cornfields. I told my kids my kids know of Children of the Cornfield because I would terrify them telling them that people live out in the cornfields as I'm dropping them off at school in elementary school and stuff. But I hate those movies so much.

I will turn them off the minute they pop. I remember all the time sci-fi channel would play those damn things. Change the channel. Like there's no, I'm not sitting through that. I legitimately like several of them. I know you do. And this is where we totally. Even the one with Eva Mendez?

No, I don't like that one. Oh, God. No, that was. That was even worse. The first three have a lot going for them. They really do. The only thing is because we're talking about icons. You know what I mean?

Again, I have to go with the rules. I put myself in with hard eyes. I can't give it to Johnny, even though I like that movie better than the children of the corn movies. But that ending was horrible, that 30 minutes of nothing. I'm going with children of corn. I'm going with children of corn. I mean, I did like it.

I just hated the ending of that. You keep doing that son. I just put my iPad away. That's nice. I like that. I was going to do the number. I did listen to the commentary track for In A Violent Nature with the filmmakers, and I did enjoy a little more than I did the first time I watched in the theater.

There was a little tidbit there that I was not aware of. They actually brought one of the girls back from Friday of the 13 Part 2 to be the girl that's drive, you know, the 30 minutes of nothing that's driving with our protagonist. Do you know that, Lance? Yeah. I think Nez is the one who clued me into that. That ending made me mad. That last 30 minutes really made me mad.

I love you, motherfucker. I think it was one of the most best written, most original scenes in the last 10 years. The best scene for me was when Johnny was walking up to like the cop with the two survivors in nighttime. And I was like, son of a bitch, like I've seen this scene a hundred times from a different perspective. the best the best never this one it was really really cool that silly song during the credits shoe fly shoe fly or whatever all right so the next the next one's going to be interesting

children of the children of the car move on yeah sure the court moves on all right cool so this one this one um wait okay that this bracket is confusing me but that's okay because it's okay it's ghouly's critters yes this how i had to bracket how it was sent to me so i'm just like kind of i'm just going to go to goleys credit it's all good it's all good um so this this is what i consider a a a b-level main event match okay not not not the a not the eight town not the big cities but this is because this is this is like very nostalgia heavy for me personally um so we got the ghoules versus the critters. Now, they both have their pros and cons for different reasons.

Critters, I think, are a little more mainstream than the goonies. I don't know about the horror community in general, but I think mainstream, the critters are more, they're known more. So, Lance, who do you go with? Man, not, kind of, couldn't really care less too much. I don't know. I guess I'll go with the goleys because of that toilet hole poster that never happened in the movie. Yes. Exactly. I think they rectify that in the sequels, but it's not in the first one. Yeah. Or rectified it. Sean, what do you got? I'm going critters all day.

Critters was dope to me. I love the sci-fi aspect of critters. I love when they rolled into a giant ball and eight people. That shit was dope. I'm going critters. Goolies is an, you know, but really, only thing you remember from the goal is the toilet scene, and that's the poster, that's what it looks like. But from Critters, the poster, the artwork for the poster was great. The camera. The Characters were fucking great. I love Gritter, so I'm going Britters. All right, Brian. It's much more fun movies. I can't really remember any of the goolies other than the second one at the carnival or whatever it was.

That's the only one I can remember. So that's right. Britters. Yeah, that's a fun one. All right, Steve. So it's tricky because I actually like the design of the goolies because there's more variation. they're different whereas the critters are all the same there's just a bunch of them but they're the same but the critters

movies are way better and like like sean said when they all combine and get that rolling ball of death critters all day which is the poster for critters too Matt I'm not really a fan of either I've got to be honest I do like creature features but these don't really hit hard for me

I've only actually seen Goody's recent but yeah for me critters more iconic poster and yeah Brian making no critters

and gurley's chances oh no Alil what do you say again we're going with iconic I'm going critters like it's

as much as I do have fun with the goooly's movies and they're off the wall crazy critters is And soar the Critters. And Critters had better actors in those movies. Yeah. It was definitely, though.

And only one of these two films was featured in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the movie from 1990. And it wasn't going. God. That's a deep cut. That's a deep cut. All right. So we got craters. Yeah, to me, the critters have more iconic scenes.

You know, you remember, like they're saying, the big ball of critters rolling down, eating people. I think Part 3 also had that big giant. critter that comes down. You also had the bounty hunters from space, those two guys that came down and we're trying to get the critters throughout the entire franchise. One of them was like a, they would

get like Playboy Playmates to do them a couple of times because these guys, these bounty hunters, they would take over like a body that they would see here on Earth and that would be them for the rest of the film. And so there was one where it was like a Playboy Playmate and she got to act and be in the entire movie. So anyways,

So I'm going with Critters. So Critters is going to sweep this one. Nice. I went with go with Goolies. Oh, no, that's right. You did go with Gool. Pedro does not give a fuck about your vote. It's he should have that several times tonight.

All right. Then you have one more wild card round. Oh, yeah. So this one, this one's the very definition of a wild card round. You got, you got the Joseph from Creep, which is the reason he's in this tournament is because he's been getting a lot of critical acclaim. It's kind of been a talking point for a lot of people in the horror community. This guy's getting over as far as that character.

And then the creature from the Black Lagoon. Now, the reason why he's in the wild card tournament is because I ran out of space in the main. And also because I think it's a safe assumption to say that he's probably the less over of all the universal monsters. maybe the mummy, but I really ran out of space for the mummy. So, oh, no, the mummy is in here. Never mind. They're going to get this one. It is on here, but he's by himself.

I don't know what you want to do with. He got to buy. Sean, he got a buy. Yeah, he got a buy. He got to buy. For what? No, no, no. He faces the winner of the Creef or creature of the Black Lagoon.

Like, those are supposed to be offshoot. Those are playing tournament games. Welcome to the horror. Yes. All right. Yeah. all you do is unwrap that motherfucker dog he's easy to kill

you don't watch Monster Squad all right so we're doing Joseph we're doing the creep Mark Declos you go first you go first Steve Joseph or the creature I'm going creature from Black Lagoon I've never actually even seen

the original creature from the Black Lagoon and I don't think he's had any other movies but I really love the design I've always loved the design of that I think it's one of the most iconic creature designs there is. Yeah, Guillermo del Toro stole it in a shade of water or whatever that movie. Yeah, but that movie maybe I'm in the minority, but I did not like that movie.

I thought it was pretty good. Michael Shannon stole that movie. Sean, what do you say? I'm going creature. The design of the creature is, I don't even know who the fuck Joseph is, so I'm going creature anyway. Lance, who do you got, Lance? I really enjoyed that first creep movie. I thought it was a really, you know, smart, quick little, you know,

you were kind of like in and out before you know it. And Mark Duplas was really good. The second one was pretty good, too, but I started watching the creep tapes, and it's kind of the same thing over and over again, whereas you get the creature, which is an iconic shit, one of the original Universal Monsters. I'm going with a creature all day. All right. I really like that.

There was a couple episodes in the, in the, the creep tapes that I really enjoyed. There was one that where he's talking to himself throughout the entire episode. He's in a hotel room or whatever, and he's waiting for the guy that he's eventually going to kill. You know, because for the people that don't know, what this guy does is that he hires people to film him doing shit.

And then he eventually kills them. And it's all like it's shot on video stuff, you know? So that's where you get the drama and the suspense. Well, in this particular episode, he's by himself. So is Mark Duplas just kind of performing with himself. And he kind of loses his mind, right? And he just, really, really good episode. And then at the end, his victim just opened the door.

And he just fucking, like, just starts asking him. Like, there's no drama or suspense. He just kills them. I thought that was pretty clever. And then there was one with his mom. That's very disturbing. I think this was the last one of the season. But so I'm going with Joseph because I really like where that franchise is going.

so we left up with Brian the creature's iconic and I also liked him in Monster Squad when he shows up I like the design so I'm at to go with creature

all right Matt I really like Joseph in Creep and he's great when he brings out the Peach Fuzz mask you know the yes

whatever that is Wolfman type mask it's pretty iconic however fuck me it's creature from the Black Lagoon. It's like a part of horror history so it's going to be the creature from the Black Lagoon. All right. All right.

Alil? Yeah, it's tough because I like Mark Deplace but he's better as Pete from the league. That's where he will always be in my heart because I love that series. But it's the creature. It's the creature. I mean, he's

iconic. It's iconic. I actually just went to where that the underwater scenes were filmed because I didn't realize it was filmed like an hour away from Air Lance you're probably even closer to where they filmed that and they have like a whole area where they take you on this glass bottom boat tour

and they actually show you exactly where they came out and how it was filmed and everything like that so it was really cool. All right so that takes care of the wild card round so creature goes against the mummy right? Yes. Okay so now we're going to go back officially the start of the second round

so now here it is All right. We got, you got, you got let me know who's in the second round because maybe I missed something, but go back, go back to the other bracket because we're going to go back to the left corner where Freddy's at. All right. Oh, you're good. You're good so far. Yeah. All right.

Sure. Good work. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I try. Okay. So here we go. This might be, this might be what we call in wrestling in a squash match, but we'll see.

We got Freddie Kruger. versus Harry Wood. Do we even have to vote? Versus Harry Warden. Versus who? The minor.

Minor. Okay, before we move on, because we're just going to move on, okay? Does anybody have any kind of do you want to promote the minor? Do you want to vote for the, the minor in any way shape or form no he's got some good Sean just leave Freddy there

and I was because because like Freddy faces no Freddy faces just delete the minor the creeper because we skip that's the one we screwed yeah yeah now put the creeper on yeah oh wait so wait Freddy versus creeper no that would be the next round yeah oh so it'll be this right here

yes yeah well kind of I mean, I don't know. You're missing a row of brackets. That's the problem. Because. Now right there on that one. Let's go ahead and put Norman Bates there.

All right. All right. Norr Bates is where? Right here? Oh, boy. No, because. I looked at the bracket that y'all had and I just followed what practice was there. Yeah, missed the whole row then.

Yeah, you missed the playing tournament. I don't know. I didn't have. that on there. Yeah, you did, because I forwarded you the one I'm looking at right now. I don't know. Okay, keep going. We'll figure it out. All right. So right now we got Ferry Krueger moving on. He's got

the creeper in the next round. We also have Norman Bates moving on, and he's got our next matchup, which is the Deadites or Chucky. Another interesting match. I mean, are we really going to argue this one as well? Like, we're talking about icons or horror?

Yeah. Well, what do you... It's Chuckie. It's Chuckie. It has to be. I mean, Chuckie's got it. Yeah. Does anybody think it's the Deadites over Chuckie? Man, I love to be some Evil Dead, dude.

I do, too, but... But it's not the Deadites that are iconic from the Evil Dead. It's Ash. That's right. It is. It is, but that being said, Chuckie's my favorite horror icon of all time. Wait, and at last... Spoiler, you're ready to throw down.

I was going to say, wait a... I'm dying on the Chuckie guilt. Don't worry. We'll fight about that later. I love every child. Let's go ahead and move Chuckie over. I love the T-E series. Chuckie's going to go against Norman Bateson.

Okay. Which really does it really fucking. I like how Lance, I thought he's going to throw down. And then you're like, no, Chuck is my favorite of all time. Well, then what the fuck? All right. So now. Now we have the firefight flammity.

Now, I will admit to this. I don't know what the fuck they're doing in that second round, because that's a wire card. But fuck it. That means we got Captain Spalding and we got baby and we got... Oh, wow. What was the name with that mother? Byrds, Sean.

Oh, it is weird because I didn't get all this. So maybe I'm... Sean, you did something incorrectly and it's okay, but we're just trying to make it work. Look, this is how the bracket was set. This is how it was originally set up. And I looked at this bracket and it was weird. Look at the left. You missed the left London.

Did I? Those guys, see, Sean, you have the outside. brackets they're playing in to play to fight against freddie they're playing to fight against see i didn't know that see i just had it was i thought it was just like oh just an error so i just put him there it was it was it was my bad is i'm under the assumption that everybody's into sports that was my bad i am i'm into the sport but i just didn't i didn't catch sean's into the NBA not into the college basketball i am too if you did you would know So Angela should be playing against the fireflies.

The fireflies. Okay, so that's the next one we're going to talk about right now. So we have Angela versus the fireflies. All right. We'll fix it. We'll get there. We got this. Come on.

We get this. As much as I like Angela, for all the reasons that we stated before, they're fun movies. The three of them, I don't count the other two, really. I got to go with the fireflies, man. I think those, especially Captain Spalding, kind of like really became a horror icon. You say whatever you want about Rob Zombie, but that's one of his better movies, even

though I don't really like any of his movies. And so I'm going to go with the fireflies. So we'll start with Lance. Who do you got? Well, I've dressed up as Chuckie for Halloween, and I've dressed up as Otis for Halloween, and my son-in-law was Captain Spalding. Really? So the fireflies have my heart.

Yeah, absolutely. All right, Brian. Fireflies are horrible, horrible people And I don't know why people celebrate Because we're sick, fucks That's right Steve, who do you got? I'm going to go with Angela

Because I don't really like The Rob Zombie movies House of Thousand Corpuses I don't like From Hell, I don't like 31 I don't really like any Rob zombie movies What about, what about the devil's rejects? Nope, didn't like the devil's rejects.

I like most of them, just not the Halloween. And then the Munsters came on and... Nah, fuck that. I'm just, I'm sorry, I don't know what to say. I just didn't like them. So, not for me. I'm going with Aydlaw. Matt? Uh, do you not like clouds?

Uh, yeah, for me, Captain Spaulding is pretty iconic. He's fun. Angela, look, you know, she exposed herself, but again, the films aren't that great. I don't know. They're okay, but, you know. That is her, the angel's move. Yeah, I just, no, I'm going to go for the fireflies. I have more fun with those films personally.

That makes sense. I know I'm in the minority on those. It's a battle. All right. Aleo, what do you say? Well, I've, it's hard because, like, I have a picture. signed by Sid Haig got my wall over there as Tassbalding. I have a great story with that.

It was funny because we were at a con, me and my wife, at a big Comic-Con, and, like, everybody in his line was all dressed up, like, you know, dark hair, piercings, everything. And I'm just there with, like, a polo t-shirt and, like, you know, cargo shorts. And, like, everybody in line looked at me like I was crazy. Like, what, like, even Sid Haig looked at me like, all right, this, you want me to sign this. but I love Sid Hague, but I hate everything else about those movies. So I'm going Angela. Oh, wow. Nice.

Wow. Wow. First of all, one, you let us on with that one. I did. I did. I'm a storyteller, Sean. Pulled the rug out. All right.

Sean, what do you say? I was laying you finago your stuff there, but now it's your turn. I'm good. I'm Angela, so you good. I already hit mine already. We four. All right. One, two, three, four.

One, two, three. So we have Angela wins. You got three for fireflies? I didn't know you had three for fireflies. Yeah, I think there was one you missed before. Yeah, Lance, Matt, and myself. All right. All right.

All right. So Angela. So Angela moves on. Yep. Little, little underdog story there. I don't expect to make it to that that far. We'll see. All right.

Now, here we go. 80 staffers live forever. Now this is the main event, right? Most faced an art the clown. That's going to move on to. I don't know where that's going to move on to, but I'll figure it out if we get there. Whoever wins that is going to face Andrew.

Okay. All right. All right. So here's a deal with a ghost face and art the clown. I think with Art the Clown, we have a lot of, like, recency bias going on because that fucking guy is everywhere right now. But does the franchise have the sustaining power

that scream has. We're going to find out, right? I mean... I mean, the first three films have made a lot of money. And Ghostface is iconic. I mean, ghost face, not only is that horror icon,

like something that everyone knows, West Craven also redefined the genre in 96 by introducing that like self-referential kind of horror, right, where everybody kind of knows the rules and all that stuff. So it only, it not only, like it also introduced like a whole other subgenre, and it was pretty, pretty popular for a long time. Some would say still is. So I'm going to, I'm going to go with ghost face.

That's who I'm going to pick. Ghostface one. All right. Alil, we'll start with you on this one. Who do you got? So again, South Carolina, Love West. And if you were talking about the subgenre, that's actually a new nightmare, not scream for self-referential. but I love Art the Clown and Art the Clown has shown me things that I have never seen in my life watching horror movies and like I've been watching these things since I was five years old.

So I'm going to art because also Ghostface is not one person. He's a billion different people. That's a huge. He's a symbol. He's a symbol. Okay. So we got we got one for Ghostface. One for Art of the Clown.

Matt, who do you got? this is a tough one um ghost face is pretty bloody iconic the amount of Halloween masks of people walking around wearing that mask out and stuff

it's yeah great series of films art the clown he's blown out the part at the moment and I fucking love those films killing me just made me just made me laugh. It's my kind of dark sense of humor. Aren't the clown all the way, baby.

All right. You know, there's somebody on the horror returns Facebook page that's been very upset because Art the clown has been killing kids. Jesus Christ, watch the film, you fucking idiot. Well, not even that. I mean, Freddy is a child killer. Like, so, like, are we, are we, like, child killing is.

been a part of this series since we want more more child killing all right Steve what do you say it's tricky I do love the terror fire movies but ghost face and scream is

that was my I was an eighth grade when the first scream came out that was my shit man that that opened up that movie spoke to me you know I've done I've reviewed all the screen movies with the horror returns guys they know my thoughts on them so

scream for me a ghost face Rose McGowan with her headlights on when she opens that door. That's always a good time. All right, Brian. Art the clown has gotten to a place where we anticipate the next movie. Scream's gotten to a place where we're kind of worried about what the next movie's going to be. And you haven't had a true new horror icon in a long time. So I'm going to have to give it to art.

okay so you're saying that Megan is not going to cut it right as the synopsis I think they're going to drop the ball on it all right Lance what do you say this is a tough one

this is a fucking tough round but oh man I got to think I remember going to see the first screen movie with my daughter and that was a great experience and I got so much fucking nostalgia

but yes it's kind of it's kind of turned into a mass right like the last movie was okay and i'm you know i'm worried about the following movies too whereas with art the clown you got some some of the most creative and vicious fucking kill scenes i've seen in a long time so fucking i'm going i'll go with art okay yeah the latest screen movie i mean it reeks of desperation right they're bringing literally everyone back even people that have died and you wonder how the fuck they're going to figure that out. So it could get pretty out there. So yeah, so you're going with art, okay?

And Sean, who do you got? So I have not watched any of the Jeterifier movies, but I have so much respect to Art the Clown, though, because the design and the way he looks, like the fucking Joker. I think that, and listen, listen to everybody, I know what he's done. I haven't watched any of them, but I know he's

a fucking killer. And, like, he's become an icon at this point. He's three movies in. Probably about to be four, probably five. Oh, no, it will be four. Oh, yeah, that'll be four and five. At this, at this point, the screen franchise is just like, eh, it's like, I don't care. I really, I like the movies, but I just don't care.

I have respect for Art the Clown. I'm going to go Art the Clown. I'm going to be honest with you. I haven't watched not one of these movies, but Art the Clown, the way the fandom is, like, fucking, like, huge right now. I'm going to Art the Clown. I'll be honest with you. Yeah, and I don't think Sean will ever watch any of these movies.

No, I will not. I know Sean very well These are not his His cup of tea Our show is not For the center Yeah, you want to make him For 31 days

Come on, come on show him Get in your eyeballs I don't know Sean might not be able to sleep After he sees some of that shit I'm terrified of man All right So

Art the clown moves on A woman in a half From vagina the head That's me He's still my heart So Art the clown Are the clown moves on And it looks like

The Cinderella story for Angela's about to end in the next round so uh so uh so Sean we got jigsaw and Pennywise okay Jigsaw. Who are they going against? They're going against each other

each other for battle to battle of jaws and they're at the bottom again like just leaving where they were just leaving where they were put them back. Yeah dude we'll get there. Jigsaw and Pennywise. All right it's fine. Yes well yeah we're all keeping track of it Let's get on to the voting.

Okay, so Jigsaw versus Pennywise. So Lance, who do you got? I got Pennywise all day long because Jigsaw is fun, especially in those early movies. But Penny Wise had loved him. I've read that book four times, and I'll probably read it four more before I die. God willing. So, yeah, Pennywise. He comes around, what, every 23 years, right?

27. The Creepers 23. Pennywise. Brian, who do you got? All right. Steve, who do you got? Anyways, both iterations. Damn.

All right, Matt? Fuck, I'm struggling with this one. I literally can't choose. Oh, God. Oh, God. Yeah, I'm really, can he, yeah, move on, somebody else. Matt, Jigsaw would have killed you by now. You're taking too long with these.

Yeah, I know, I know. Sorry, I just. really struggling with this one. Move on. His timer would have run out. I'll be still in an ice cube. All right, I'm going to come back to you. A little, who do you got?

I got a jig saw, man. Like, Pennywise, like, the TV series, I hated it is so boring. It was good. Still good. Yeah. Well, wasn't. John boy.

Oh, so good. Not good. The first one of the remake was good. I thought I was the boomer here. The second one was not good. Yeah, I saw the saw movies. Like, that was the first time in a long time that I actually checked behind the seat of my car

leaving the theater with my wife. We left the theater and I was the first time, I'm like, I'm actually creeped out. Like, it's been a long time for that to happen too. But that franchise got so convoluted. You know what? The case is still fun. Arguably, that's part of the fun.

I agree. I like the convoluteness. I can't wait for the new ones. Oh, I think the new one's not happening after all. It was some drama. I heard, yeah. Yeah, when he was in Mexico in the last one, yeah. My question coming out is like, how did he get all those props, like, ready to go, like in that limited amount of time to start fucking with this. Suspens. I have logistic of questions.

But he has a shitload of money, right? He's low. So we're under the assumption that he's loaded. He has minions everywhere. And also, I like how they give him a run for his money in that one, because they had him on the robes there for a while on the third act. But he had this very intricate trap that had like the Aztec symbol as it closed in. And I'm like, motherfucker, now you're having like custom-made shit, bro. Like, what the fuck? So, so anyways, I'm going to go with Jigsaw because those movies are always fun.

And yeah, they're convoluted and they don't make sense. towards the end and they're all over the place but they're always they're always a joy to watch um so i'm gonna go with jigsaw sean who do you got then he was all right no question one two three four matt oh man we're coming we're coming back to you man coming back sorry yeah yeah okay uh right i've had a thought um look i mean i i enjoy both sets of films um jigsaw is pretty iconic well obviously the clown on the motor on the bicycle is pretty iconic. However, Jigsaw is just a man who's dying slowly. Not that iconic. The films are great. Some of the some amazing kills and traps, etc. But realistically, we're talking about icons of

horror. It's got to be Pennywise, really. He's got to go for it for me. And one thing about Jigsaw is that he never actually kills anybody. That's what that's what makes them very interesting. So, and he said so himself. So on this one, we have Pennywise moving on. One, two, three, four, five. So now we have Sadeco and Jaws fighting. Should I just go ahead and just move Jaws over? Yeah, I mean, Jaws has changed how I live.

Like, I don't go in the ocean. I'm good. You know how I'm not going to die? Get eaten by a shark. I'm not going to die that way. So I don't know how I'm going to die, but I know how I'm not going to die. yeah it would not be

via shark and also I love how part two is literally like a slasher movie it has all the slasher tropes except as a shark and I love that shit

right well was it part which one's the revenge three is that part no that is part four part four it travels to the Bahamas to fight his wife

yes and her new boyfriend Michael Kane so somehow somehow it has like long term memory and shit and understands

all kinds of things so yeah so anybody want to vote for uh sedaco here okay so let's move on jaws moves on so whose jaws going against jaws is going to go against penny west okay okay all right now i think we're on the other side again jump to the other side so we got it's me so right now we got freddie versus creeper

chucky versus norman bates jaws penny wise and angela versus the clown yes all right so so right now we have Michael Myers versus the wolfman right move that ahead so does anybody have a case for the wolfman I don't think so I mean really you know all right let's go ahead and move Michael okay there you go yeah you go point this next one might be interesting um Setherface versus Jason Borges Who? Leatherface versus Jason Voorhees.

Oh, fuck. So I am going to go around this one because this one is worth discussing. Lance, we'll start with you. Who do you got, Jason Voorhees or Leatherface? Okay, so I moved to Florida about a year and a half ago, but before that I lived in Texas all my life. And I can tell you growing up in Texas that every other old house you passed, somebody was telling you when you were a kid,

hey, see that house over there? Yeah, that's really where they. the real Texas chainsaw masker happened. It was just a phenomenon. I originally saw this, the trailer for this, like, at the drive-in when my mom and dad took me to a movie way back in the day. So, leather face all day long, man. Really? Okay.

Just not a Jason fan. Here we go. Nez would fight me, bro. I want to fight you. That's a miscarriage of justice I'm seeing right now. All right. Brian, who do you guys? Jason all the way.

that is one of the most iconic horror franchises slasher franchises people are anticipating i know i know what i'm up against yeah but he is from texas he's from texas lans he's from texas jason just don't just don't have none of that chilly off the road 66 lans because you never know what's in there right um all right so we're going with jason steve what do you got Or, bannar down, do, do, do, do, do, do, down. I'm going, Jason Robbins. It's the same shit. Well, no, I gave us requests for Jim.

Matt, who do you got? Oh, that's a really fucking tough one. Both very, very iconic. Um, I've, oh. For me, yeah, my favorite. of the two is leather face. I've got to say. I'm with Lance.

I just bring out the change. Got ourselves a little bit of a face. That's my shit. We got us a fight here. We got us a fight. Okay, good. I mean, the thing about leather face, though, is that, first of all,

those movies don't make a lick a sense. They don't have a chronological order to them. They're just a different story depending on the movie. Yeah, and remember that, Hey, remember that dear thing Cause You guys

Oh, that's right. We had Matthew We have Matthew We have Matthew McCona She is hot though We have Vigo Mornsen A part of the Leather Face family That's right

That's right We got Kevin Bacon Yeah, there you go Kevin Bacon in Friday the 13 Part 1 All right, so we got two and two is getting interesting Alil, what do you got?

This is hands down Jason. I mean, he's one of the Mount Rushmore. If we're talking about Mount Rushmore of horror icons, Jason's on there over there. That hockey mask is up there. Right. Right. And he took Manhattan right after the Muppets.

For about three minutes, because they couldn't afford Yeah, yeah. They were on the boat the whole time. Canada, Manhattan, same thing. All right. Sean, who do you got? I'm going Jason all day. All right. And then I'm going to go with Jason because

I'm not going to allow this miscarriage of justice to go on. So we got Jason advancing. I don't know what's going to happen in the next round. That's going to be interesting, but we'll get there. All right, next one. We got Hannibal Lecter. versus the Candyman. Oh, no.

I'm not going first. All right. I love Candyman, but you don't get as mainstream as Hannibal Lecter. I mean, Oscar winning Silence of the Lambs, so Hannibal. All right. You got Hannibal. Okay, Steve? You're on mute, Steve.

You're on mute. That's always. happens once. It always happens once. I'm going with Candyman. Hannibal Lecter maybe has some better movies in his series, arguably, but Candyman has that iconic score from the first one. I thought the reboot that came out, semi-quazize sequel reboot was awesome.

Are you descending? Candyman's iconic to me. No. Not farewell to the flesh. What was the third one? Day of the Dead? But one of them gave you the good, like, the scene of his, like, killing. I think that was in part two, where you got to, like, see what happened and how he became Kennyman. So that was, you know, something. I didn't know. That was the other day of the dad.

Part two, I think. Oh, part two, yeah. I thought it was farewell to the flesh. I mean, can't even scare me, man. That came out. I was, like, young. Like, those, you get your older cousin would say that shit in the mirror and throw you in the bathroom and shut the door. You couldn't say it.

You wouldn't say it. Somebody else wouldn't throw you in the bathroom. shut the door. Right. And that's happened in the movie. All right, Matt, who do you got? Alan. Got the Candyman.

All right. Candyman? Yeah, he went with Candyman. All right. Alil, who do you got? That's tough because, you know, everybody knows Hannibal Lecter, right? Like, it's one of those things.

But I think just as many people know about the Candyman. So it's, you know, you play those games. You know, back in the day, since I'm old, you know, Bloody Mary in the thing, but Candyman took that over. And I just prefer some of those movies. And I'm not defending the sequels, but I'd rather watch those than have to sit there and watch, you know, some of the other panable sequels. So I'm going Candyman. You don't like Ray Leota eating his brain? It's good.

All right, Lance, who do you got? Okay, man, I've read all the Thomas Harris books, and I love the hand of a lector character. Oh, man. The second time you brought up reading, Lance. We don't read here. I bring that out of- You guys read a lot of comics.

I know that. Come on. Who are you kidding? What, the Americans, we don't read. I got a I got a I'm saying Oh man

Batman David Candyman's just I don't know It's just I guess you would say iconic You know

And the way All the movies are filmed Well The second one takes place in New Orleans Which I loved And I love Showing the origin

To that I love the mystery Of the first movie I thought it was great when they were going into the buildings and, you know, you could just see the face and the mouth on the wall there.

And I'm going Candyman. Is it just scarier? Hannibal, again, a kid to kind of be a Darth Vader effect here, right? Like, Candyman is the horror icon. Yeah, good champ. There you go. That's a good way to see it. Sean, who do you got?

Oh, I got Candyman. His only brother on here. I got both for his brother on there. Candyman, Candyman. I was waiting for that comment, Sean, because I didn't want to stay in first. I was going to say it, but I was going to wait. I was going to wait for you.

He's the only horror icon on here that's black. Like, I got to say, I got to give you some credit. God, dang. This whole board's racist. Canty man moves on. All right. Sink. What's next here?

So we have Children of the Corn. This is the Cino Morse. So, Steve, do you want to defend the children of the corn? I didn't say I didn't say anything but I was just shaking my head no I don't I don't have anything to say to defend the children of the corn from the Zanamo it's some of those alien sequels dip into more action than horror but that first one is a straight-up horror movie and I actually think Romulus dips more into that so yeah Zanomor is all the way okay anybody wants to advocate for

Children of the Corn. All right. Let's go ahead and move over the xenomorphs because they're going to take on the Candy Man in the next run. All right. The other one. I make sound effects. I'm sorry. So we have, next we have

Frankenstein's monster versus the critters. Frankestine versus the critters. So does anybody want to advocate for the critters on this one? Nope. This may be another quickie. all right let's go ahead and move frankenstein over wait wait wait wait wait wait yeah yeah yeah yeah go for

hold on a second because i don't really care about frankinson franklinstein is just a he is a practically a good guy let's be honest here he's not a little girl on accident he's not accidentally he doesn't even know what he's doing I mean, technically all monsters are hurting inside, so. Yeah, but let's be honest, horror franchise, has Frankenstein ever really been the bad guy? He's kind of like the anti-good. He's like the anti-hero. Let's be honest.

Okay. Hey, this is going with critters. I'm going with critters. All right. There you go. Now game on. Sean, I'm in the second that. Oh, yeah, look at that.

Look at that. Here we go. Two for critters. Okay. I third it. You got all the geeks because Briggs star is boring. Geeks unite.

Pa-p-pah! All right. Shit. You guys hulked up or whatever. What do you call when you all merge together and become one? What are you?

Yeah, Voltron. There you go. Society style. Who needs Voltron that? So I wouldn't know who at Ferguson. I'm curious. I was just making an assumption, but I'm glad you stood up.

That was quite an assumption there, Pedro. Man. You all were not in your head, no. It could be 7 and O, man. Hey, you all were not in your head, no. And so I just, and to Sean was like, fuck this. I'm going to jump in here because of Sean's passionate. The fucking critters are going to go to the fucking.

Holy fuck, man. Thank you, brother. Thank you. What? one two three four I'm gonna give it to the critters too that was that was a what are we doing it

look at that look at that upset special that's an upset from the playing tournament from the playing tournament to the sweet 16 all right alice Cooper does a song called

feed my critters that is flabbergast he's like what's a critters are more iconic than Frankenstein really But it's not that, though.

To me, I feel like he's not really a villain. Like, he's not. He really, like, if you need a Frankenstein to help you, he helped kids. He was the main hero in Monster Squad. He was a big guy and Van Helsing. He's the original zombie, for fuck sakes.

Yeah, but was he a monster, though? You got to look at it. He was, but he really wasn't, though. He was just, He was a tragic story is what he was. They made him a boy. The Monster Squad, the Monster Squad link is perfect, right? Because you're right, he was the hero.

A sympathetic hero in that one. Okay, are we, hold on, are we even sure this one's about the creature? This could be, we're talking about Dr. Frankenstein, the evil one who created him. About that. Oh, no, nobody's buying it. This is also a vote, a spite vote,

because the last time I was on a bracket, fucking Bride of Frankenstein won best horror sequel all the whole time and that's an injustice. And so I'm voting against Frankenstein every chance I get. Hang on a minute, hang on. You call a brain past.

Now, emotion. Wait, right of Frankenstein and your bracket won best horror sequel? I'm signing off, guys. That's it. So my question I wasn't there for that one. So my question here is, though, is, has there been a Frankenstein

monster that you've actually been like, oh shit, he looks scary as shit. I don't think so. I haven't seen it. Yeah, the Robert De Niro one from 93. There you go. But think of it, though. The amount of Frankenstein movies that will continue to produce

in the future, you know, critters is done. That's it. Frankenstein can never know. We don't know that, man. They may do a series. Yeah, that's true. They did do a series. That's right. That's right. That's right. Never say never, Matt. And every time, every time, now since then, every time they've built a Frankenstein, he's always a good guy.

He's always a good guy. Van Helsing and, in, what, Monster Squad? Preacher Commando. Like, yo, Frankenstein is the answer. Yeah, but they don't call him that there for us. But surely it's that iconic. Like critters. Nobody goes, oh, yeah, I fucking bought a crick. I get what you're saying, Matt. Like, yeah. I mean, Frankenstein is an iconic monster, but he's not, every monster on here is a villain. Like, literally kills every, there's no good guys.

This isn't the villain. Darth Vader won that one already. Also, also the way I look at it, neither Frankenstein or critters are going to move that much further anyway. So. You know what's a very huge show. Critters are just by chance. Critters might surprise everybody. Yeah, the critters are just here by chance.

They didn't earn any. They're just going to move on. All right. Okay. Here's the next one. No, curters will fight against Pinhead or Dracula. Oh, okay.

I'm going to get there. All right. So the next one is Pinhead versus Dracula. So, and Dracula could come into any iteration of Dracula, that whole trope of Dracula. Oh, wow.

And Pinhead is Pinhead, you know? Both very iconic. I'm going to go with Dracula just because we know Dracula more. There's been more films on Dracula. Pinhead is kind of like, a one-node character, you know, and it's very much, even then, it's like a niche of a niche. So I'm going with Dracula.

Lance, who do you got? Yeah, Dracula is almost a genre unto itself, because, you know, even movies that have vampires and don't feature Dracula, harken back to that. But Pennhead is one of my favorite characters of all time. Now, not quite Chucky, but it's up there. And then you get those visuals of like the check. chains and people being ripped apart and just the idea of the the the limit configuration so I'm going with pinhead all the way all right all right

Brian who do you got like he's just more iconic in the horror community and I think people are not looking to see another Dracula movie we want to see another Hellraiser at least a good Hellraiser movie so the one that came out two years ago wasn't that good but I liked it wasn't great All right. Alil, who do you got? See, Penhead versus Luke Evans. I'm going pinhead, man.

Hellraiser. Come on. All right. That's 80s is hell right there. Yeah, good movie. I mean, I think the first three are really good. Fourth one, you know, there's got some good moments in it. You didn't like Hellraiser Inferno?

Come on. No. Again, some bad sequels. All the ones with all the ones that were turning to, Outraisers, no. You didn't like bloodlines? Come on, man. Bloodlines? Yeah, it's another one.

It's fantastic. All right, Matt, who do you got? Dracula or? Well, let me. Crans broke him. He's gone. It's that American shit, man. I'm telling you.

It's just okay. The, look, I mean, Dracula's pretty iconic with Christopher Lee and all the, um, hammer horror stuff. It's great. Nostratu, the original Dracula movie. Um, however, the most recent, uh, film fucking brought me to tears. And there's been so many spin-offs of Dracula and vampire movies. I'm bored to fuckery.

Uh, I love Pennett. He's got it for me. It's like horror and fucking, he's dressed in leather and he's going to kick some ass. So I'm with Pinhead. All right. Wonderful. Steve?

Yeah, it's Pinhead. Only, the horror returns only has a shirt of one of these characters. That is who? Well, we can't say. That is. Yeah, it's Jasper. Oh, yeah. No, it's not Pinhead.

Sean, who do you got? Well, let's be honest here. Dracula birthed Twilight movie. so I'm going pinhead. That's true. All right, so pinhead advances then. Nice. All right, and here's one of my favorites.

Yep. Pumpkinhead. Versus the leprechaun. Now. I keep doing your job. I apologize. No, it's all good. So who's that?

Pumpkin head versus the leprechaon. Now, here's the deal with the leprechaun. Like, they're very easy movies to watch. Are they good? No, they're not good. But Warwick Davis is earning a payday, and that's good in my book. And he's hilarious, especially the one when he's in Vegas. He's got the one-liners.

He makes it to the hood in a couple of them. I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I don't even know. The first leopard cut on the hood was so bad. Oh, so brutal. Is that the one with iced tea? That's the one with iced tea, right? Yeah, but the second one, I was like, wait a second one. Are they actually making a movie?

What's coming here? They tried. They tried. But he wraps throughout those two movies, which is always hilarious. Letting the hood of the no good. I'm so bad, I'm good. No, I don't even think it's the same leprechaun. They never really tell you, because he dies in a very disturbing way in all of them.

And then he just comes back with no explanation in the next one with a whole new story. It's the same as Warwick Davis. And usually a new outfit, too. Yeah, but I think So it's the different Lepricom. Maybe there's a whole shitload of them that look the same, but they just dress differently. Anyways, just for the sheer simplicity of East As far as watching these, I was never really a pumpkinhead guy, so I'm going to go with leprechaun.

So, Alia, we'll start with you on this one. Who do you got? It's Pumpkinhead. It's Lance Henderson. It's, uh, I mean, I mean, it's iconic Stan Winston special effects. As much as Leprecon is my daughter's favorite horror series. Really?

Oh, she loves Lepkine. Because there's nothing going on. And Jennifer Anderson was in it. So she was in a friend's phase at that point. And the guy from Peeway, first Peewee was in it too. So what was the vote? You said Lepardone? That's right.

No, it's Pumpkinhead for me. there's one for leprechaun and one for pumpkin yeah one okay Matt who do you got I can honestly say I couldn't give a fuck of either of them which is fair how do you really feel

yeah thanks I'm gonna go for lepercon though more laps literally that's the only reason yeah I think I think in leprechaun in space he comes back because somebody takes the piss and he travels the piss slain to come back and then he does he comes he bursts out of it out of their junk it's fucking

awesome and then at the end he he he ends up being like like like 30 feet tall and he just there's a whole scene with him being a giant stalking our character and then at the end he blows up his face and he gives the big middle finger and you see the middle finger just gliding in space how can you not love that man that's pure cinema that's what that is um to to toad towing the So anyways, Steve, what do you got? Well, I got leprechaun all day. Lepricone was a special place in my heart. I love the first one.

And I actually really love the sequel that ignored all the other movies that came out recently. The most recent one. Yeah, with Lepicon Returns, with the other guy, the new guy as a leprechaun. That was actually really good. But not the one with Hornswagel, right? No, Leprocon Origins was terrible. That was a weird monster. But the other leprechauns, I'm going to...

Yeah. all right brian pumpkinhead movie but i have to give it to longevity leprechaun because uh you don't even most people don't even know pumpkin head has sequels yeah they have yeah they have three and four people kind of know about part two but they don't know about three and four um remember remember that famous vhs thing with with pumpkin head where they had the guy with the with the nikee's on that was in the pumpkin head suit anyway anyway that always makes me laugh lance what do you got I'll say a friend with weed is a friend indeed. So I'm going with Leppie, but I do.

One of the reasons we can't go for Pumpkinhead, unfortunately, Brian, is because we were at Texas Frightmare, and we had an interview all set up with Lance Henriksen. It was set up in advance, and his handler just wouldn't let us near him. So not fuck Lance Hanrickson. He was a great guy, but it put a bad taste to my mouth. But yeah, leprechaun all day. All right, Sean? The lepricon Nike. Damn.

I mean the hookahead nikes. I need those. No, but it won't. Remember when that little boy died at the beginning of pumpkin head and he just would not stop moving or breathing when he was supposed to be dead? Like, God damn it. Would you hold still? At one point he like looked around. I'm like, what are we doing?

I'm going, I'm going leprechaun, man. All day. Leprocon. All right. One, two, three, four, five. So leprechaun moves on. Let's go. All right.

So now we have the creature from the Black Lagoon versus the mummy. Okay. So who's Leopardone going against? The winner of this. Okay. Cool. Yeah, so

to quote Matt, I couldn't give two fucks about either of these. So, but just thinking of the mummy and thinking of the Brandon Fraser mummies, I'm going to go with the mummy. Okay.

That makes sense. That's fair enough. All right, Lance, who do you got? We'll start with you then. Yeah, so it's two universal classic creatures against each other, right? But the mummy has a lot more longevity, because as you said, let's, let's, Tom Cruise aside, I'm going with the mummy. Okay. That's two for the mummy, right? Yeah.

Sean, who do you got? Oh, man, so we're counting that, so, so we're doing this off the Brendan Fraser movies, I guess, right? You're doing it off of whatever you want. you have no rules you can't you can't put guidelines in now oh god not in the horn returns

um barth Vader might still end up as the horror icon we don't know you might just come on you never know so so I'm gonna go design wise

I'm gonna I'm gonna go preacher because the mummy I just I'm not I'm not like the mummy is like I just don't care yeah so I'm gonna go I'm going creature I'm about

Okay, Brian Because outside of that first Brendan Fraser movie, I do not care about the mummy. All right, Steve? Yeah, I'm going to go with Creature, but mostly because I'm excited about what we could get because I love the design. And what we've gotten so far from the mummy, you know,

is okay. Some of it's been good. I actually like parts of that Tom Cruise movie a lot. like, not, I rewatch that movie a couple times. There's, there's a lot of fun to be had there. It can't take it seriously. It's a big live action, dumb cartoon, but there's some fun in that movie.

And they have a new one coming out, Lee Cronin. He's doing a new mummy, and he's supposed to be taking it, like, super serious, scary, so we'll see about that. But I really want the creature to move forward, so we're getting the creature. Okay.

Matt? Yeah, I'm also going for the creature. just because for me it was what I watched when I used to live in the States creature double feature and yeah

creature from the Black Lagoon was always on all the time and yeah it's just part of my induction to horror so for me it's the creature all right cool and Alil what do you got

yeah it's creature I'm going to creature mummy I've always been bored of the mummy okay All right. Now we're, we're cutting it down to the 16. The 16.

So we have Freddie Kruger. We're going to right back to the other. All right, cool. Yeah. Just give me the brackets. So you got to do. Let me know. Yeah.

Freddie and Creeper. Versus the creeper. I got to go with Freddie. I mean, come on. It's, we haven't even. I think this is another quick one. Blasting through this. But it'll be a problem.

we're going to have to explain ourselves as far as Freddie, but the point we're not there yet. So let's just go ahead and anybody have any objections to move with Freddie over. No, no. All right, let's go ahead and move them over. Then we have Norman Bates versus Chuckie. Jesus Christ. Oh, man, don't let Blumhouse here. You say that.

That's the film we need to say. What a clash of styles this is. I mean, is somebody debating this? Yeah, hold on, chill out, chill out here. There's, there's merit. There's a conversation to be had. Is there? I don't know. It's not.

I mean, as horror icons go, like nobody under 50 knows who Norman Bates is. Yeah, whoever's voted for Norman thinks go first, right? All right, so. It's nice God, then. we're all old all right we're I'm 46 we're moving

chucky over okay good of course now the next now the next wrong we are going to have to explain ourselves this is going to get interesting

all right and then we have the fireflies versus Art the clown okay wait a minute okay no it anyways isn't it

wait no it was Angela Angela yeah it was Angela oh yeah I'm sorry Angela made it past the fireflies Angela versus

it doesn't matter Does it really? Who is it? Angela versus who? Oh, yeah. I think Art's going to take this one pretty yeah. You know what Art's going to do to Angela? She definitely won't have a penis anymore.

Shub straight in her, his, her mouth. He'll get that whatever friend or whatever that how that woman is that was playing with her sob and that very disturbing scene. Art's being fun. We're bumping him up, right? Yeah, arts. Yeah, Arts made it to the elite eight. Yep. And then we have, who won this one?

I'm getting buzz up. It's Pennywise or Jaws? All right, Penny Ways or Jaws? Okay, they always want to have a conversation about this one because this one is a little interesting. Yeah, could be. Shaw just moves Pennywise right over. Oh, well, then, fine, then let's have a conversation.

Okay, so I'm voting for Jaws still. Wow. Okay. All right. I'm also for Jules. Two for Jals. Okay. Lill, what are you got?

Yeah. In the last round, I didn't care for not Arthcon, Pennywise So I'm going to go with Jaws as well Wow Three for Jaws All right Steve

Yeah I'm going Pennywise again Still love that original TV miniseries and it was my top movie In 2017 so Damn But not the sequel though right It wasn't bad I don't hate it

But it wasn't as good As the first one Ryan who do you guys Jaws or Pennywise yeah very matter of fact too it just squashed penny wise yeah

Lance oh man this is this tough one for me I I thought you were the Stephen King guy so I know Lance you read all the books 85 times

yeah I totally I am the Stephen King guy but I'm also the Stephen Spielberg guy and fucking Jaws was just a masterpiece of cinema Yeah, the other movies were cheesy, hokey. They weren't the masterpiece of cinema,

but just from the first movie alone, one of the few movies that I could see, again, you know, when I was young, everybody was talking about it. Don't get in the water. Don't get the swimming pool. There's people that are afraid to go in the swimming pool because of Jaws, for Christ's sake.

How can this not be an icon? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what are we got? We're going with Jawslands? Yes. Yeah, I had him for John. all right Sean I'm going for Jaws too because yo honestly

Lance just brought up something like it's a Steven Spielberg fucking movie so like yeah I'm giving it I'm giving it because it was Spielberg so I'm giving Jaws the credit on this one all right so Jaws moves on yeah I didn't really think I was going to happen but now I'm like I'm like there you get it never know

wah wah wah wah wah it moves on let's see on the other bracket I think this is going to I can't this is going to have a be a hard one for me Michael Myers or Jason Vorhees Oh wow clash of the Titans Wow me

That's awfully early I guess it's not It feels early it's not It shouldn't be All right So It's Michael It's Michael

Really? I'm gonna go with Michael Because Halloween 1 is a legitimately Like a legit classic Like that's John Carpenter is my favorite filmmaker of all time and that's a work of art. That's literally like a cinematic masterpiece.

But it's funny because they're not comfort foods for me, maybe because of how much I respect them that I have to watch them. I can't just have them in the background. Whereas I go to Friday of the 13 more just because they're easier to digest, I think, as you're doing other things or whatever. Fuck. I don't want to see Jason leave. God damn it.

Well, you set up this bracket. I would have never put these guys in the same quadru. I mean, this is crazy to me. This is crazy. They were going to have creditors in the final four, damn it, and not Jason. Like, that makes no damn. What we did. What we did.

Um, I'm going to go with Michael Myers. Michael Myers. All right, one. All right. Alio, who do you go with then? It's Michael, it's Michael Myers because Michael Meyer, like, Michael Myers movies were so much better. They both had the lowest of lows that you can imagine, but Michael Myers and Halloween had even higher of highs. So, like, that's, that's where I go.

Like, fair enough, yeah, that's a good way to put it. All right, Matt? I love them both dearly. final 30 the awesome kills actually just made me laugh out loud fantastic stuff

Michael Myers and his kills yeah but he's fuck I mean the Halloween films are more iconic the music the soundtrack but Michael Myers himself is creepy as fuck whereas Jason's just there

tearing shit up so I'll go for Michael Myers All right Steve For me it's Jason I'm gonna be the one that goes and throws Jason a bone here He's the only one that went to space He's the only one that didn't get stim kicked by a Buster Rhymes And

True I said they both had lows lows Or our cool Jake So yeah I'm going with Jason And that last Halloween movie Was the worst thing ever so yeah

great uh you mentioned that Jason went to space Jason's also connected to the evil dead franchise so I'm going to give it to Jason right oh shit

Jason coming back yeah but he wasn't even a he wasn't even a killer in his own movie oh he wasn't a reflection you're no I'm talking about in that part five

The promoter from Rocky 5, he decided to eat the heart and the operating. Yeah, that's true. That fucking movie. Yeah, but Michael, but Michael Myers films had part two, which was Halloween 2, and he wasn't even in that fucking movie.

No, he was in Halloween 3. He wasn't in Halloween 3. And say what you want about Jason goes to hell, but it has one of the best endings of all time. And it was Jason versus Freddie. Come on, you know. Yeah, all right. It was fun.

Hey, we might be seen that. we might be seen that here clearly um lance what do you say oh man those rob zombie i was i know i was singing rob zombie's praises earlier but those fucking Halloween movies oh fucking terrible especially the second one where the mother keeps shown up on the fucking horse like lady godiva or whatever yeah they don't um but they do no i don't know what you're talking about that being said oh that being said as much as rob as much as zombie fucked Michael Myers. The Pineapple Express

guys took to the sodomize the corpse. Those movies were so bad. The 2018 one wasn't that bad. The first one was pretty good. Yeah. Nope. Looking back on it, I saw it again, and I was like,

why did I think this was good? Maybe my brain was thinking of where it was going to go from there already, you know, because on the rewatch. But that being said, That Halloween movie is probably one of my top five movies of all time, period. Number two is really, really good. I like the way it picks up exactly where one leaves off. It's like a night of, but it's in the hospital.

And then, less we forget, one of my favorite, another almost maybe top five movie of mine is Season of the Witch. It's like maybe my favorite Halloween movie, and we wouldn't have had it if Michael hadn't set the plate up for it first. And I get to knock Jason out of this tournament. Fuck yeah. I'm on board. Michael Myers all the way. Yeah, the franchise. Brutal.

Brutal. I do it. Okay, I do have, okay, so in part two, they ran over the guy that's dating, what's her name, right? They run over here. Yeah, they killed Ben Tramer. But he's wearing a Michael Myers outfit.

Well, it wasn't a Michael Myers outfit. It was different hair color, and nobody knew that. That was just a mask from the store that Michael Myers took. So, like, they were selling that mask anyway in the first one. Like, he took the mask. You didn't take a Shatner mask and flip it inside out. You didn't see, you didn't see, like, the making of the claw on the beginning of the Nightmare Elm Street. Why not?

Maybe he was wearing coveralls. Who knows? Maybe he saw that one dude, Michael Myers. Like, I want to be that guy, you know? All right. So, Sean, your left. What do you got? I got.

I got Jason, man. I'm running with Jason on this one. So it's only, you know, it's only three to add to it. But I got, I like Jason, Jason's, Jason got a better fucking costume. I like Jason's mask. I like his, you know, development of his, you know, his face looks a little bit more terrible. Like, I don't think I've ever seen Michael Myers' face. Maybe we have, but I don't remember it.

We have. It's Tyler Maine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's not. Shut up. That doesn't exist. I like, I like Jason. But we also saw him in part five because the French director wanted.

to have emotion out of them. So I think to me, I think, I think to me, Jason is more iconic than Michael Myers is. Maybe I'm crazy. Jason, Jason was on Arsenio Hall. Jason was on Arsenio.

And you know what Michael Myers never did? He never took Manhattan. Fuck out of here, bro. And he never took demon those goddamn enchilados either. Oh, but that's one of the best his damn enchiladas. All right, so, so Michael Myers is going to move on.

Damn it. Damn you, Michael. I mean, it sucks, but like, if he had to lose, I'm glad. Yeah, he had to Michael Myers. Next, next we have the Candyman versus the Ceno Morves. Another difficult one, I think. I can start this one. Okay, go ahead, Steve.

Yeah, I'm going to throw it to Candyman. Simply because the xenomorphs, like I said, their franchise varies from horror to science fiction action. And while they're terrifying, sometimes they're not like an alien versus predator. They seem like they were just pretty easily smacked around. So I'm going to go with Candyman here as the more horror icon character. All right. Lance, what do you say? again again super super super tough tough call here um trying to visualize like i guess i'm getting to that action figure

territory that you guys were talking about earlier a leal so you're gonna buy a candy man action figure or see no more of action figure yeah they would both be awesome that's the problem yeah oh man candy man candy man really influenced me growing up i really i really love those films um really love the myth the mythology the story. I have fun of questions. It had so much to say.

No, it just has so much to say. I mean, it's not, it's, it's a thinking man's series. And the remake did it so much justice. You know what? I was about to go for Xenomorfs because I love alien and aliens for two totally different reasons. But Candyman

just, it just has more to it, more, more weight. So I'm going Candy Man. Brian? I'm going to go Candyman because Tony Todd put so much into that character. Okay. Sean?

I'm going to Candyman. Again, he's the only brother on here, so I'm going to get him. He's just going to go, okay, so not I'm like. And I'm going to be honest with you. Candyman is like, it's like a hood thing. So it's like, to me,

the hood of Chicago, like, deep in fucking hood of Chicago a little. What's that? That's where I was going. Are you fucking kidding me? You got a whole, to bring a dream. Like, yes. No, like, yo, you got a monster in the fucking hood.

Like, yo, no, that shit is, that's crazy. So, like, yeah, Candyman, definitely Trump's, Trump's, Zeno Morse is, again, it's sci-fi horror. Y'all, a little and Steve have told me that Zeno Morse are sci-fi horror, and it does not count as horror. That's what y'all tell me. So I'm not counting this shit, so I'm putting Candyman. The man can just hear you with just his voice.

When you hear him talk to you. I agree. not the one from the remake though even though Tony Todd's also in that one all right Matt I'm going against the grain

I'm going to go for xenomorphs I think the series is more iconic the you know the artwork based around is it Kurt Geiger is that right

HR Geiger yeah Giga okay it's just I don't know. For me, it's more more important to pop culture and society. I agree. People know more about

alien and aliens than they do about Candy Man. I mean, I love Candy Man of these. Fantastic. But for me, yeah, alien and alien franchise gets it for me. the one thing and I agree with you on that the one thing aliens franchise keeps

going Candyman's franchise is kind of like at a done and dusted well I don't know what else what more are there really you can be right where Zeno Morps you can keep doing alien movies

over and over again and keep you know redirect like it is you're right I can't change my vote but Xenomorphs is the problem is they the problem they could do they could do another

they could do another Candy Man. They could keep doing Candy Man movies. The problem is they can't keep... They can't keep doing them. The way to keep doing them is to just have him be a monster and a new group of people and what have you and crazy kills and all that. But then you're losing any sort of cultural significance

and message that you're trying to put out if you're just cranking them out like that. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I agree. And they kind of were already going down that route with the sequels before the remake. so um all right alio what do you what do you say oh it's candy man chicago's finest let's go all right and i'm gonna go with kentine's so you know got to got to get a got to stick with chicago

six fall candy man moves on and kate man is going against spigo meyers yes the critters the chimes going against the whitest man on the list just something you know Candyman versus white face. We got the critters versus pinhead. This one's going to be pretty easy. Does anybody have any objections over pinhead moving on? You know, the critters, they had a up-the-battle. You know, they had a tough fight.

They outlasted what anybody thought they would. No kidding. I think that their time here is done. They're going home without their heads hung low, right? That's right. Participation trophy The Pusification of America Rears it's ugly ahead with the participation trophy

It should have been Frankenstein, but anyway If you say so, he's a good guy All right, next we have Pumpkin Head, no, I mean Leprecon versus the creature from the Black Lagoon. So I'm still staying with Leprecon. I think that's

I love that. I love series what else could I say so I'm staying with leprechaun uh Lille what do you say yeah it's leprechaun at this point if we're talking about horror icons like creature creature lasts a long enough to take out

another one of his brotherin another universe of monster it's it's yeah Mapparcon is an 80s classic 80s 90s classic so yeah uh me I'm going for the creature leprickon doesn't even exist

I'm feeling the Are you against the Irish? Is that what's going on here? This is why all these tariffs are in place We can't agree Let me just let me just say I have no issue with the Irish

But no, sorry It's all about horror icons And it's the creature from the baton Over lepaphon Any day of the week It's really hard to argue like For a leprechaun You know, but

You know what? That is weird. It's a weird feeling To argue four leprechaun movies But here we are. Steve, Who are you gonna? Yeah,

that being said, It's fucking leprechaun all day. Ryan? The look of the Irish It is. Lance. Oh yeah, this one for me is easy

Because creature had The creature And then the creature returns. I don't count the shape of water. so yeah leprechaun all right and sean beastiality movie anyway well listen

I'm gonna I'm gonna stick to my original shit like creature had a better design and better style so I'm gonna go with creature even though I know leprechaun is gonna win this shit so I'm gonna go creature you're right lepricon did win one two three four yeah so leprechaun moves on

all right what we're doing it what are doing it ah fucking hell All right, so now we're going on to the semis. Freddy Krueger. First of, I want, first of all, I want Lance to vote first on this one. Freddy Kruger versus Chucky.

Lance, who do you got? He's gone. Hold on, hold on, I was on mute. I was, I was on mute. Okay, so. He's going to wink. All right. who do we have here? You said

Freddie versus Chucky, huh? Yes. Man, I love those nightmare on Elm Street movies. Like I remember when, now I'm really going to carbon date myself. I was in high school when the original movie came out. And we went down to the little theater in town and they tried to not let me in

because I wasn't, I guess, old enough to get into the movie. So my friend snuck me in, opened the back door to the movie theater. And ever since then, I've been a horror fan. Actually, yeah, it was probably one of my my first horror movies that I really love is the original nightmare on Elm Street. And it's got such watchability.

And it's not even as good as Dream Warriors, right? Like, that's the best of the whole franchise. So this is a tough, tough call. But I buried the lead early guys. I told you, Chuckie's my favorite horror character of all time, that sarcastic, evil little son of a bitch. That got to go for Chuckie 10 times out of 10. Wow.

Yeah, all right. I've had a rhetoric for Chuckie. He did explain a lot. I thought he was going to speak. All right. Brian, now he's going for a wink. I got to go.

He's got to go. I got to go, Freddie. That's right. Culture. He's 1-800 numbers, movies, music.

He had his own album back in the day. Merchandise. Just. Yep. Yeah. With the fat boys. With the, No, he had Freddy with the Elm Street singers, right?

Like, he had his own solo album, even without the fabulous. Give it to Freddy. Yeah. So you're going with, all right. Yeah, like everybody's saying, I mean, not only Freddie, West Craven, we, you know, we talked about he was ahead of the game. We're not like, like Alil was saying with New Nightmare and also with Scream later on. He also kind of, you know, reimagined the genre with Nightmare on Alam Street. So he did it a few times over.

and just really original movie highly rewatchable introduced us to Johnny Debt getting sucked in by the bed very scary still like that's actually a scary movie if you really think about it especially the first half and it's just an iconic film or iconic character I think later on I think nightmare on on Amstreet 3 is beloved by everyone that's that's a perfect mix of of you know that that wisecracking Freddy but still has a little bit of that horror elements from the first one. I love part four, you know, where, you know, this is literally just running the gamut of all these characters and killing them one by one in very unique ways. I don't like the way they squash the guys from part three, like within the first 20 minutes in part four, but it is what it is.

So I'm going to go with Freddie for sure, hands down. How many is that two for Freddie? Yeah, we got Lance with Chuckie, even though he... Yeah, at least two for Freddie. I know I've dying on this hill. Alil, what do you got? Oh, it's Freddie. I don't even have to explain myself.

He's my favorite. Okay. I'm rocking Freddy. He's, he's, there, I don't think there's a bigger icon in horror than Freddie Berger. All right. He transcends. Matt? I love Chuckie.

He's funny as fuck. He does some awesome kills. and he makes me laugh. Freddy is more iconic, though. Just his jumper, his claws, his hat, his face, everything about him

is pop culture. It's horror. It's Freddy. All right. Freddie. Steve? It's hard. I'm not quite sure

when you're gone. This one's, I'm just not sure exactly where he's. Is that Wolverine? No, don't know, Steve. It's Freddie all the way. All right, Sean.

I'm going to go Freddy, too. Freddy always. Right? So, Freddy moves on. Sorry, Chuckie. But, hey, look, that's no, nothing negative about Chuckie. Chucky is on that Mount Rushmore for me, too. Just like you, Lance.

The reason why is because my little brother had a fucking my buddy dog growing up and this shit was no fucking good man okay like that it was too close to home bro all right so the next one's also the next one's also a little tough

for some I mean some of us I guess it's art the clown versus jaws oh wow so Brian we'll start with you first I love jaws I even love the sequels I love me some so bad they're good

movies but I think art is on a completely different level right now. So I'm at to give it to art. Okay. Lance? Again, just the original Jaws by itself is something. And then those others that are so bad, they're good and all that. But, man, I love Art the Clown.

But I got the old dude here, I got to go with Jaws, man. I got to go with my heart. I got to go with my heart. Just because you saw it in high school doesn't mean. no opening opening weekend that's

no I couldn't get in yeah Jaws I actually wasn't PG I think I could have gotten into it Lance you didn't interview Jaws you did interview

Arthur Clown that is true but I'm I'm gonna throw Jaws a bone man I gotta go I gotta throw some chum in the water

to get Jaws Steve it's tricky because like Jaws Like I said, Jaws did scare the shit out of me. And there's been times when I've been like in a big ass pool by myself at night. And I'm like, you know, you start.

It's a ridiculous fear, right? But that did affect me. But Art the Clown, I mean, there's a reason he's all the way up here at the top just after three movies because all three. And not only just Art the Clown, but the surrounding cast of characters that he's brought with him for these three movies is also, you know, I'm taking some of that into effect. because Jaws, like, Brody was cool, but then, like, his wife just kept nagging for movie after movie after movie after movie. Dennis Quaid and SeaWorld is ridiculous.

Art the clown, baby. She got a good background of those. What was that? What was that when that shark was coming at the window, you know? Oh, yeah. It was just like that fucking, it was like a clay model of a shark. That was so bad, man. All right.

Oh, this is a really, really fucking tough one for me. I love both series. Art the Clown. I've always been a big fan of the Terrapire series. I've promoted it and pushed it and pushed it all the time. And people go, no, it's whank, it's shit. But no, no, listen, watch it. Keep watching.

And look what it's become. and I love Art, he's awesome but Jesus Christ Jaws is the original shit this is why I was brought up on, this is the horror it's going to be Jaws for me

Oh right For the old boy, nice well done This is a tricky one man Adel What do you got? I'm going with art You know

As iconic as Jaws is Art has given me three movies in the last, what, five, six, seven years now that keep building upon a mythology and keep getting better and better and keep just, I mean,

Jesus, he cut up a person and then threw salt on her and just watched him laugh. That's horror icon. Yeah, that's fantastic. You know, this is a disting. Like, John's really doing what he's going to do.

He's a shark, right? Remember the mashed potato scene? Or the potato? the scene? Sean? You know what? I am going to go Jaws. Oh shit.

Who on Jaws? Is there a reason for that? What's your motivation behind that? Well, he hasn't seen a terrifying. I mean, about Art the clown. I just know that he's right.

Oh, that's right. So to me, Jaws is more iconic to me. And again, it's a Spielberg thing. again i have like you know for lucas and spilberg to me are icons so to me it's to me i'm going jol's that's that's my reason jaws has a more iconic theme than uh terrified of yes of what i mean but the post the poster though of jules is literally like i have one yeah agreed agreed now now now the debate here is would you go with an original

art the clown movie poster or an original jaws poster Jaws. And original that's what tells you that's what's more iconic. So Jaws to me is more iconic. But let's turn it right back around to the action figure

thing we're having like would you buy a fucking shark? I'm gonna buy art. I'm buying art. Yeah. I'm buying it. I'm buying Jaws. I'm buying Jaws.

Like eating the boat and eating fucking. Oh, that would be. awesome yeah of course if it's a legos fucking jaws maybe but uh i'm gonna i'm gonna go i'm gonna go with terrifier art the clown just because for all the reasons you guys stated and it's it's something refreshing something new i also something we haven't brought up i think this genre not just not this genre this franchise has also really kind of brought a light to how profitable low budget horror movies

could be so that's something that's something that's something we have to think about because nobody nobody gave this guy a shot you know he he had to go out there and really work hard to make part two part one went straight to video we know that um and you know before that it was hollows eve but part two you know he really put his ass on the line and it made a shit ton of money and it put it walked up a lot of these independent studios and all of a sudden they're like we can make money with this and we give him theatricals so you know he kind of changed a lot of the way films are being distributed. So yeah, so I'm going to go

with Art the Clown. Can I just argue a point slightly? If you look at continuous shark movies these days, they're all based around Jules. Also, for the most for you. Shark movies, alligator movies, piranha

movies, you know, right? All based around that same concept. It's all all based around that same concept. I mean, look, I love Art the Clown, and I will fight him tooth and nail but George has

it has set a pattern for creature attack movies it's literally the blueprint for creature attack movies that's what I'm saying

very influential that's why that's why he made that Jaws made it this far but I also think what about if in the future we get some good quality horror films because of terrified

two and three, you know? And we... Two years ago, we're not watching these films in the theaters anymore. We just weren't. It was all VOD stuff. So now it's like, okay, let's take a chance on these films and we get to see them in the theaters now.

So, I mean, it just depends. I mean, they're both iconic. Listen, there's no doubt about that. It just, once, you know, gun to my head, I'm going to go with Art the Clown. It's just... Yeah, yeah. Okay.

I'm just playing devil's advocate. No, no, it's all good. Yeah, it's good conversation. That's what we're doing this. All right. So now we go up to the other bracket and we have. Jaws lost this one then. Yes. Yeah, arts moving on. Yeah, so we have the semi.

Yeah, we have a pretty interesting semi already on that bracket. So now we're going with Michael Myers versus Candyman. So, Leo, you go first on this one. both from Illinois yes one of them's a fake Illinois though yeah one of them has palm trees

one of one of one of them is actually like a mile from me is Pasadena right the sequels changed that they made it more Midwestern well part four is I got to go with Michael

I mean Halloween is Halloween the first Halloween is for just even just iconic movies of all time the original Halloween is is what horror is built upon. Okay. I got to go with Michael as well. John Carpins is my favorite filmmaker of all time. R1's my second favorite film, like of all cinema of all time. So I'm going with Michael. Matt, who are you going with?

A. Z. Michael Mines. Okay. Steve? You know what? I'm going to throw Sean a bone here. I'm going to give Kayne Mnman. I'm going to give Kayneville. I know the shit is that Yeah I did that on for This time shit

I know I know All right Is that the only reason Why are going With the Candyman or is Yeah Yeah

I'm going with the only brother On the list Okay Fantastic Great Brian Brian He's my top three

Horror icons of all times I knew he was going to win Okay, Lance Yeah, man Candyman had a good run I just didn't want him to leave out of here with no votes You know what I'm saying Well no, he's gonna get Sean's vote right now

No, no he's not I'm going fucking Mike's back Listen, Tony Todd deserves at least one vote He does not deserve to go out of this list On a fucking, on a sweep Well, respect Tony Todd All right, and then on the other side, we have pinhead versus the leprechaun. I'm still sticking with the leprechaun.

I'd rather throw on a lepricon movie than the Halraiser movie at this point. I can understand that. A little, who do you go with? No, this is fucking pinhead, man. Come on. Like, lepracon's a joke. You talk about Chuckie and kick him or all these other things. like no the pinhead is is pinhead okay lance

oh man what's gonna actually scare me pinhead that's fucking frightening terrifying especially allele if you read the books of blood and the books so there you got always about reading them books uh Sean I'm going pinhead man pinhead scares the shit out of me man it's always had so I'm fucking pinhead I have more fun all right Brian movies but pinheads on that Rushmore. How many people on your Mount Rushmore, bro?

Yeah, like seven by this point. There you go. I like that cover. That's a good comeback. All right, Steve? Yeah, you know, I do like the Leprocom movies. They're fun, but it's horror comedy. We were talking about horror icons.

Pinhead. Pinhead's up there. All right. And Matt? Leficon shouldn't be here. Easy. Easy pinhead. I agree.

I would have put Jason Borey's down into this into this quadrant. That's what it should have been. Well, it is what it is. Pinhead has moved on. Goodbye. No, you took my gold away. We have three more matchups.

What are we down to? So it's Freddie versus Art. Yes, Freddy versus Art and then Penhead versus Michael Myers. Yep. Shit. Even as fuck up as the brackets where we still have pretty good little semis here you know they still they still kind

of even themselves out course corrected and stuff all right so let's get started with freddie versus art the clown i will go first uh no contest here freddie krueger takes it um for all the reasons we've talked about icon and um yeah west craven my my my top five filmmakers of all time so i'm going with freddie um alio what do you got it's it's freddy if if anything like art is becoming like the new freddie like his his schick and everything is very freddie yeah but freddie's and freddie dream warriors is to me the best horror film of all time really wow it's my favorite movie of all time i've watched i can watch dream warriors going asleep i can watch it getting up with some breakfast cereal it's a it's it's my favorite movie there it is it's a great film hopefully

we get that 4k this year with special features because we need it for that one um Matt? Love both. And I voted against Art, previously against Jaws, but I love Art more than I love Freddie. Wow. I'm just that way inclined. I want the gore. I want the shit.

I want the fucking stuff. I mean, Freddy's great, but... I'm glad you're on the other side of the pond. Like, you want the gore or you want the shit? I'm scared now. Oh, yeah, I'm a proper goal hand. Yeah, no, give me all. I'm teasing.

I love it, too. All right. So we got Steve. What do you got? It's Freddie. It's Freddy all day. Even though that new one, that reboot, woof.

And part six, part six was rough, dude. I still had fun with part six, but that reboot doesn't exist. Jackie Earl Haley. It fucking exists, bro. Even though it was shot at my high school. It exists, and they turned them into a deadline. What a claim to fame. No.

Did you guys all enjoy Freddy versus Jason? Yeah, I love it. I do love it. I do like that. Yeah, good fun. Yeah. Okay. Brian?

If news dropped on a new terrifier movie and a new Nightmare on Elm Street movie tomorrow, I would be more excited for Nightmare on Elm Street. So I have to give it to Freddy. Yeah. Especially if Robert England comes back, which he probably won't at this stage in his life. Lance? Oh, yeah.

This is an easy one, Freddy. Freddie all the way. That's the icon. All right. And Sean, although it is a new icon, but Freddy's got a few. Freddy's got some experience on him. I'm going to go with the experience on this one. And, Sean, you've never seen Terrify our film, so I'm assuming you.

Freddy was going to be minds anyway. It didn't even matter what if I did see it. Freddy's iconic to me. Freddie was my first horror movie that I watched as a kid. So, yeah, 80s, Freddy was everything. And like a little, Dream Warriors is one of my favorite fucking horror movies of all time. Like, Dream Warriors is the shit to me. Like, I love Dream Warriors.

So, yeah. Nothing can beat that Dock and soundtrack. Oh, God. I love that movie. Dream Warriors. Don't want to dream no more. Shit's fucking tight. With, with, it starts,

Fisbeardt, not Lawrence Fishburg, Larry. That's right, Larry. Straight off peevees. That's right. All right. So on the other bracket, semis, we have Michael Myers and Pinhead. I'm going to go with Michael Myers. That one's pretty easy for me.

Alio, where do you stand? Yeah, it's Michael Myers here on this one. Like, I do enjoy Pinhead. I have a puzzle box somewhere around here, but Michael is the icon. All right, Matt. Yeah, again, another tough one. But I've got to go, Myers. Just, yeah, it's the OG of the last you filmed.

All right. Steve? Yeah, it's Michael Myers. You can easily, you can, I find you can easily put on a Halloween movie much easier than a Hellrager. You've got to be in the right mood to watch a Hellraiser movie. Halloween can be tired anytime. Good chat. Brian?

All right. Lans? We're working on a clean sweep here. All right. Knowing you, you'll say pinhead right now. That's the thing. I have to make sure. Absolutely not. All right. And then, Sean? Oh, yeah, Michael all the way.

Man, Michael swept this one. All right. So here are the finals. Zed. This is a... Fight for the ages. I'd like to see the movie. I mean, Freddy would whip his ass.

He just has, Michael just has to fall asleep and he's done. That's right. Let's see here. All right, I'm going to go first. Fuck. And he sleeps in that sewer. We saw in the last movie, so he's a napper of this Michael. If that's no, it's no, that's right, Freddy could take him out.

Um, the thing is that there's so much weight on, the first Halloween film because it's so iconic. But then again, so is the nightmare in Alstreet Part 1. Like, that's the thing. They're both quality films. They're not schlock. They're not, you know. So I guess the question becomes which franchise held it together the longest. And you throw Dream Warriors in there, and that kind of answers your question, right?

I mean, I don't think Freddie ever got embarrassed. Maybe maybe the final. nightmare or the 3d one maybe that that one's horrible but besides besides that there is never there's not really a what i would consider a bad nightmare an aisle street movie you know and then we have the new nightmare which is something different and so richard dog dog that pisses fire well that's four that's king but that's also awesome because his dog was named and it's true yeah yes jason get over here freddie's back um but uh i'm gonna have to go with freddie because I think the franchise itself stands on its own more than the Halloween franchise.

So I'm going with Freddie. So we'll start with Sean on this one. Who do you guys? I'm going to me. I mean, there's not a motherfucker who can kill you in your nightmares. And Freddie is supernatural. And Jason is supernatural-esque. Michael Myers, you mean?

Oh, Michael Myers. I'm sorry. Michael Myers is feature. He's, I don't really know what the fuck Michael Myers is. But Freddie is a motherfucker that can kill you in your dream. That's a shame. Yeah, I'm not worried. I can honestly probably run from Michael Myers,

and I can definitely dip and shit on him. He's teleported at time, so you're going to be careful with that. I don't know. But listen, I ain't dipping on Freddy in fucking nightmare shit. So, like, listen, it's going to be some whole shit. I'm not to figure out my dream warrior powers. So that's going to be a little bit more of a fun or fight. So I'm fucking with Freddy all day.

I got. Okay. Lans? Freddie. Damn. I was fast. I must have to go with my heart in the movie franchise that didn't blum me. That's Freddie.

There might down the road, who knows? Steve? Yeah, I mean, looks like Freddy's aiming for a clean sweep here, boys. All right, Matt. I'm going against the grain. You remember who won the Revolutionary War, right? You remember? Oh, Jesus, Christ.

I'm going to fantastic, no, good. That's good. Being the wanker across the porn. Yeah, no. I was, I was late. I was late to the Myers thing. I've got to be honest, but

fuck, it's the film I pour on every Halloween. It's just got that shit. I've got to give it to Myers. I mean, I, Freddie, I call it very much so, but it just doesn't have the, I don't know. He goofy.

There it is. Freddy's got jokes. Michael Myers is quiet. Science. Welcome to fly down, bitch. I'm going for the horror icon. And it's going to be Michael Myers for me personally. Okay. And Alil.

I guess go ahead. I mean, it's Freddie. These two are my top two out of three, right? Like, Jason's not here. And Jason would be that third. you know what Matt said every Halloween I watch the Halloween movies but all year round I'm watching the nightmare on Elm Street movies as well so like I put those on all the time having a bad day putting on a nightmare on street having a good day putting on a nightmare on street like

and those two movies like you talked about a page were like one and three so damn good Like one and three are so good. Six was just awful, but I still had fun watching Robert England do robbery and stuff. You know what I mean? And that's the thing. The Corey shit, I cannot fucking handle with the Halloween franchise when I'm looking at all those movies. Like, I'd rather watch the fucking Thorn trilogy than watch that shit with Corey. Like, give me Paul Rudd back, you know, than that bullshit.

Like that- being all stoic. Agreed. Agreed, though. But, but it's, it's Freddie. All right. So there is. We have crowned a icon of horror and it's Freddy Kruger. No surprise, because he deserves it.

Hopefully within the next few years, we have a new nightmare on Island Street in some way. Well, not in some way, because I don't want shit. But with the proper creators. Hang on, I know. What happened to Darth Vader? Now it's Vader versus Freddie? No. I think, I think, I think, I think, I think Freddie.

because Vader has to go to sleep. That's true. He can use the force in his sleep. Well, that we know of, because they keep on changing the rules. So he might be able to use the force. Yeah, true. True, true. But I don't know.

Can't get away from Freddie in your sleep. That's right. All right. Take us out of here, Lance. Yeah, thanks for joining us. Matt, where can everybody find your podcast? You find us on all the fees that you find no podcast, Apple and all that bullshit. We're on Facebook.

Yeah, the Eternal Darkness of Nuts and Spotless Minds podcast. If you want to hear a couple of cunts talking shit, that's the place to be. All right, and Geeks, where are you guys at? Take it away, we're on everything. You can find podcasts now. We also

do a live show on YouTube every Saturday night at now 10 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. But you'll also watch the shows. caps on YouTube. We also do a live show on Wednesdays for Star Geeks that's hosted by Sean. But of course, we're all on it with the famous Ed. If you guys have not seen

Star Geeks, watch it just for Ed, not us. We don't know if shit compared to Ed. So you can find us anywhere. So the geeks with a Z. All right. Geeks with a Z. Yeah, very important. All right. Well, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. You can find us at The Horror Returns. turns.com next week. We're going to shout out to our original, one of our original patrons

from way back in the day. He's been with us thick and thin, Lars from Denmark, and we are going to be checking out what movie, Brian, are we doing a commentary for? Mad God. You guys seen Mad God? Oh, that's that most animated one.

Yeah. It took him about five years to make. Oh, God. Should be interesting then, so. Good luck. Wow. On that note, Matt, Matt, until the horror returns again, good night.