The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #469: Final Destination 5 (2011) & Final Destination: Bloodlines (2025)

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

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I'm Lance. With me, as always, is Brian. Phil is, I don't know, I guess, coaching a little league championship game or something with his kids. So we understand what we've got to be. here, the terrible Australian. And we're like really super pop because we're talking final destination. And a guy you introduced me to me, you and Marcy introduced me to this gentleman.

We've got none other than, I guess now it's Dr. Jeffrey Reddick, if the new film, new film carries any weight. But yeah, Jeffrey Redick, we're glad you're here. He, Jeff, Jeffrey actually literally invented the final death. destination franchise. So thanks, thanks for joining us, guys. Thank you. Thank you. No, it's

yeah, no, it's really exciting just to see the life that it's had and this new one. I love the team that they brought together for this new film. You know, and just, it's, it's just been a fun 25, well, it's more than 25.

I started working with the producer, you know, on this concept like probably three. years before the studio bought it. So it's been like 28 years, a 28 year process to go from concept to final shooting script to getting it on the screen.

So there have been a lot of people and players involved that all came together. So I'm just very grateful for everybody involved in all of them. And the fans who've stuck around and been very patient for the last 14 years. Definitely, definitely. I will say this, Jeffrey, because of your franchise, I am terrified of planes. I'm terrified of just driving on a highway.

I'm terrified of now. And now because of the new film, I'm terrified going up on basically needlepoint skyscrapers. So thank you. Thanks, thank your franchise for that. Yes. I have to say they work really, they do work really hard. I know the Craig Perry and his partner, Sheila, it's a producer partner they work really hard um to maintain a consistency with the franchise but

in the studio too and their goal is always kind of like what is something that everyday people have to do that we can terrify them about so um you know playing crash was an obvious one for the first one and then i came up with the idea for the log truck driving behind a log truck in kentucky um and we we had the story figured out but we didn't have the opening figured out for that one. So that's where I came up with the log truck opening for the second one. And, you know, I think Eric Bresson, Jay Mackie Gruber did a great job on that script. And David Ellis directed the hell out of that scene.

So it's like one of my favorite openings. I love the plane crash. I mean, James and Glenn did a great job on the first film as well. But that log truck scene, I think, is one of my, just one of my favorite openings of a horror film. Yeah. I mean, when you pretty much like, though, you have cemented yourself in the minds of everyone is like every time I go on social media, TikTok, Twitter and all that, that scene is always mentioned, especially when people are driving

on a road behind a long truck. I mean, I literally watched a video just the other day where two girls were driving behind a long truck referencing and then an actual long fell off the truck. Somebody sent that to me. I saw that. And I'm always like, because people will send me stuff, and I always just have to check to make sure nobody was hurt. Because I'm like, you know, I'm not going to share anything, obviously, and I certainly don't want anybody to be hurt. But something like that, or it was hysterical. Like these girls are like, yeah, we're going to be, we're at a final destination movie. No, truck, you're not.

And then the log came off. And they were like freaking out. It was, again, they weren't hurt. So that's why I'm laughing. But yeah, I just saw that. I always tell people because, you know, they, and I'm sure Eric and Jay, you know, who wrote the shooting script for the second one, and unfortunately, David Ellis is no longer with us. But, you know, I'm sure people, you know, tell them the same thing. They tell me, you must get sick of getting these.

And I'm like, you know, we don't because, you know, working in this business is a thankless job, really. It's really hard, especially if you're a writer, you know, you're kind of like the, the low person on the totem pole. So just being a horror fan, like, you know, getting things from fans just always makes me happy. You know, it's like, okay, this is why we're doing it. You know, you do stuff because you want people to see it and enjoy it. And so the fact that, yeah, so many people have enjoyed the franchise. But, you know, I also like to think maybe I've saved lives by people not driving behind, like,

trucks with things on the back of them. So I don't know. I'm just saying somebody should give me some kind of like humanitarian award before I die because I think I probably save some lives. Maybe. Nobel Peace Prize, huh?

I'm not going to get greedy. I don't need a piece. Oh, it's easy to get one of those now. So maybe I should get a Nobel Peace Prize. I should get greedy. I'm always more humble. I'm like, just give me a plaque or something. But yeah, a Nobel Peace Prize. would be great.

I mean, in this day and age, if you really want people to take health and safety seriously, just make a final destination movie about it and it will be, and then it'll just, I mean, don't be surprised at some point. Somebody makes a, I mean, I don't know what the future holds with the French, but I'm assuming given the success of the new one, there will definitely be more. But don't be, I would love to see one set in a warehouse because I remember again, years ago see like a motivational video of like dangers of working in a factory warehouse. And I'm thinking, yeah, that's a final destination movie ready to happen right there.

Oh, yeah. My uncles used to work at like a car factory, you know. And those are really dangerous places. I know there was a warehouse accident in Part 5. It's always weird because a lot, they cover so many things like within not just opening premonition, but within the movie. So it's always trying to not repeat yourself too much, but it's like, you know, we've, you know,

I was like, what about a halftime show at a football game? Like, we haven't had that yet, you know. And, you know, a lot of people seem to want one on a cruise ship. Like, I keep seeing those. I know the producers have like a filing cabinet full of, like, ideas and stuff for openings, but it's really kind of, I think, finding that magic combination of an opening,

that also lends itself to the to a story that can be different like this one was you know like you know that's that sky needle opening you know kind of taking place in the 60s just let us go into this or you know let them go into this story in a different way than the other films and um a fresh way that i think really works well and adding sort of more like a more mythology to the whole franchise as well, and especially on how deaf as a character, like he likes to play the long game when he comes to this type of stuff. Jeffrey, every time you guess, I'm sure people ask you where you came up with the idea, right?

But I got to ask you. Where'd you come up with this final destination idea? You know, the kernel of the idea came to me again, Kentucky. I was flying home to visit my family, and I read an article. and I'm pretty sure he was in People magazine. And it was about a woman who was on vacation and her mom called her and said, don't take the flight. You're on tomorrow.

I have a bad feeling about it. So the woman changed her flight and the plane that she was supposed to be on crashed. I don't know if there were any fatalities or anything. I just knew it was an article that I was reading. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. But it didn't click as an actual, like, oh, this would make a great movie. It was just like, oh, this is interesting, you know, put it in my brain. And I was trying to get a TV agent.

and you had to write a spec script for something that was popular at the time. And so X-Files was one of my favorite shows. And so I decided to use that setup as an opening of an X-Files episode where Scully's brother, Charles, had this premonition. And then the survivors started dying. But I never sent it to the show. Like, it's always funny. And when I read articles where they're like, oh, it was sent to the show and they didn't do it,

but then somebody from the show picked it up. And it's like, no, I never sent it to the show because one of my friends at Newla, Mark Kaufman was like, this is a great feature idea. Like, you should do this as a movie. So I was fortunate enough to, I was fortunate enough to have a friend, Chris Bender, who had started working with these producers, Craig Perry and Warren's Eye,

who were working on this movie that you may have heard of called American Pie at the time. And they had a first look deal at New Line. So I had Chris take three ideas to them, three different horror ideas. And I'm really happy that this is the one that they liked. So we developed it for many, many, many months. And had to threaten to go to Miramax if they passed on it again.

Because we were, yeah, they were having some trouble getting their heads around the idea of death as a killer, you know, not having a physical killer in the movie. And, you know, we finally, for my original draft, we kind of compromised. and I added this kind of angel of death character in the script. And it wasn't killing them, but it kind of gave a representation like halfway through the script. When Alex figured out they were dying in the order they would have died in the crash, and he thought he could save somebody. You know, this kind of nebulous figure showed up in the shadows and was like, you know,

better lying than this, but like, you can't defeat me, blah, blah, blah. So that was kind of our middle, our compromise on that. But luckily when James Wong and Glenn Morgan came on, and wrote the shooting script, they were like, we do not want to show any death at all. And so they won the fight, which I'm really glad, except for when I go to convention and see all the Freddie toys and the scream toys and the Halloween toys.

Yeah, there is that. There's that. Yeah, it was, it was a, Jeffrey, it was a problem for us. Brian, you remember we did the favorite horror icon, and death was getting like toward the end. and then I forgot who it was, but they said, but how do you profanify it? Like, I can't, didn't someone literally say,

I can't go buy an action figure? Yeah, that kind of ruled death out of the icon argument. Yeah, yeah. And to be honest, like, I intentionally didn't want to, even when I started the concept, I didn't want to tie death into any kind of religious or cultural belief system, because I know like everybody knows that you're going to die someday. And, you know, Buddhists maybe aren't afraid of dying because they, you know, think, you know, they believe in reincarnation.

So maybe they're not as scared as other people are. But I wanted to make sure there was no like cultural or specific kind of mythology around death. Because I also, having worked at the studio, I knew how important it was to like appeal to, you know, the domestic audience as well as international audience. And so I didn't want to put any kind of cultural things. in there. So I joke about the toys. I mean, it would be nice, but I'm writing some other stuff that we'll have toys on.

So I'll scratch that edge down the road. But I did. You did a lot of, oh, I'm sorry, Jeffrey. Oh, no, I'm so sorry. No, the last convention that I was at, though, there was a woman came out to me and she did have a skull tattoo from, from, I think, the fifth poster. She had a skull tattoo on her arm.

and I was like, sweet. That's good. I'll take that. There you go. There you go. Yeah, you're into some animated stuff, right? Jeffrey, I was kind of looking at what your newer credits are. Yeah, I got the chance during COVID to work on a couple of animated shows for Netflix, which was so much fun.

One was called a tail dark in Grimmets. It was based off a book by Adam Gidditch. and it's kind of a twisted version of grim fairy tales, but kid version. So we still got to kill people, but we had to do it like kid-friendly. So, and then I worked on a samurai rabbit, the Yuzagi Chronicles,

which is based off the Stan Sakai manga. It was spin off of that. So that was really fun to work just in a different genre, you know, that I hadn't used before. And yeah, I got to work with some really great people on those shows. And it was a lot of fun. So I've written a couple animated projects that are at companies,

but, you know, it's slow process. But yeah, it was just fun. I mean, you know, I just, I like writing entertainment. And horror is always going to be where I land. But, you know, I have written some action, sci-fi scripts. and, you know, dramas I try to stay away from, because I don't know, like, I just feel like when I write drama, I get to modeling and it just, I don't know. I'm like, oh, this sounds sad. So I try to stay away from dramas, but other genres I do enjoy.

But horror is like, horrors, like, horror's my home in my heart. So. Well, I think, sort of going back to Final Dest today, should I think, what makes the franchise such an interesting one. And as well is because of the character of death. And because I had a friend who back in college, she wrote a whole paper on why death is probably the best horror villain. Because compared to somebody like Freddie, Jason, Michael,

you can't, I mean, obviously it's not a, not a physical manifestation, it is a big, that supernatural force. And, but at the same time, though, you can't reason with it, you can't fight it, you can't. And so I think that's probably what I think death is, is such a great character as a villain, because, yeah, it's just a character that no matter what you try to do, it, it, I get, it's, you just can't defeat it. So how does it feel like as a, as a story? to create this character that in a lot of ways has, at least in the franchise itself, that has become just as iconic as Freddie and Michael, but for different reasons, because

he kind of feels like the, I mean, you can't get any more of the ultimate villain than death itself. Yeah. No, it's, it's cool and it, you know, and it's always been a balancing act because, you know, I always kind of wanted to establish that, you know, and no spoilers, obviously for people haven't seen bloodlines, but they kind of, they, they, they do set up some stuff or clarify some stuff that I thought was always important. Because I didn't want these movies to ever be like, everybody dies at the end, you know,

like, no matter what you did. And, you know, that's why I was very happy with how part two ended. Because the idea is like you can't cheat death, like it's unavoidable. but if you happen to, you know, kind of get on death's list because of a premonition or because you cheated it, there is a possibility that you can still go on and have a long life and you just learn to enjoy it. So I never wanted it to be like a cynical film where like everybody just dies at the end, which it started to kind of go down that path. So, you know, I had a really great conversation with the writers on the new one before they started.

And they were like, you know, and I know they talked to James Wong and Glenn Morgan as well. But they, you know, they asked me what I thought was really crucial to like a Final Destination movie. And they were fans. But I said, well, you know the, you know the build up is what's really the misdirects and all that stuff is what, you know, really sets people on edge. but I said for me like just make sure you bring Tony Todd back which thankfully they did and they probably planned to anyway but that was just something I said was really important and then I also said I'd love you know to clarify you know that we're not just you know everybody just at the end of every final destination isn't dead like you know so that all these 25 years have been

for not you know so I'm being spoiler free on purpose about that but they addressed that note which I was very happy about. And again, I think they, just again, with this team, I'm, I've met them all, and they, they all grew up on the franchise, so they're all fans of the films. So they weren't just coming in like, as a payday. They literally, like, I mean, I talked to them. They literally are like, we've got to make the fans happy. And I'm a fan.

You know what I'm saying? So they put so much pressure on themselves. And obviously, you don't, when you have an established franchise, you don't want to break the mold and go too far outside of the box because A, the studio doesn't want you to and won't let you. But stick to formula. Stick to formula. But I do feel like they really found a way into this story that was interesting. There's a mystery to it, you know, that's being uncovered. And the whole family bloodline angle just really allowed you to have like some wonderful character interactions that you know you don't necessarily get if you have a bunch of strangers

coming together you know after an accident makes sense so um yeah i i i this this one this new one and and is is is is really up there on the list on the list for me like i i you know i i don't want to give it if it's definitely in my top three um and possibly top two. Probably top two, actually. I'll say top two. Just because it was so, there was, it was, I don't know, it just,

it felt like a fresh new final destination. Had all the deaths that you want. It had the humor, but it had a lot of twists that I didn't see coming. I intentionally didn't read the script before they started shooting. I was like, I don't want to go to any test screenings. I want to wait until,

it's finished and it surprised me like the movie surprised me and um you know a really wonderful way you know to incorporate tony into the movie and and and kind of give him a send off that is very poignant and true to the story but honors him as an actor and a character and you know yeah so i just I still really love the new ones. How much? I mean, it's always gratifying when I guess someone who created this franchise to watch an install mode and just seeing all the love that is put into it. And also with Final Destination as a series, I mean, yeah, like pretty much they do have a formula, but it's always fun to kind of see, okay, we can take this formula that everyone. on those and loves. But what can we do in terms of the deaths, the setup that can, I scare an

audience, but also how can we sort of make such interesting and creative deaths? Because that's another thing the franchise I love about it as well, is that sense of misdirect. Like you think a deaf is going to go one way, but then it goes a completely different way at the last minute. So, I mean, it's great that at least even from the first film, they still continue that throughout the rest of the franchise. Yeah. Yeah, I think those misdirects are always fun. You know, like in the first one, it was a simple, like Alex forgot he didn't change seats with these characters because that happened after that, you know, he had the premonition before they asked him to change seats. but in this movie there's actually there's actually story twists that are very organic

where it's like oh crap that's why this person didn't you know what I'm saying like yeah they did some really cool stuff in the new one that I just thought was really smart and you know you're in the audience when certain twists and reveals happen where the audience is like oh shit

yeah I'm a little worried about this year, guys, because I don't know how, Brian, you know what I'm talking about. I don't give high scores typically. I don't know how I'm going to rate this year. I've already seen like three or four movies that are going to contend

for top ten. And like one, like, Mount Rushmore movie that's going to be one of my top of all times. So it's going to be a rough year. Not to give way what we're going to say about the new one, but here we're coming from. Is it sinners? And,

yeah. That's, uh, yeah. it's no there yeah yeah no there been it's I'm excited about the stuff

that I've seen and I'm excited about the stuff that's coming out too I saw take or bring her back and that movie like that movie messed me up

like emotionally mess me like it's good nice that's what I wanted to hear it is so so I can't even it's just you know the guys took everything they did with talk to me but

no sophomore slump here like this one is just like such a good movie so mature definitely heard this is not the feel good movie of the year it's not it's not the feel good movie of the year no

but it doesn't get hereditit I won't spoil it it doesn't get hereditary dark which I think hereditary I love it, but it was hard to sit through more than once because it starts at like a 10 on the trauma scale and then just keeps going and going and going. And this one is definitely dealing with a lot of heavy, serious stuff, but there's a lot of heart to it.

And there's some scenes, man. I don't know. Yeah. Those guys are, the directors on that and the writer, they just did a brilliant job. and the acting is amazing, especially because they have a lot of young cast and the lead actresses was her first role. And there's a young kid in there who was,

it was adorable. I went to a screening and he's too young to see the movie so he couldn't, he had to wait, you know, outside the theater during the movie. Come on. That's not right. I know, but he's got the, so that, yeah, it's just brilliant. I won't say any more about it.

I don't want to, but. But yeah, it's a good year. And we've still, we still got another maybe coming out from Zach Cracker this year or two. I can't wait to see what he does with weapons. With weapons, yeah. Yeah, there's so much coming out. It's going to be a good, it's going to be a good year for horror. And it's already been one.

We had some good stuff. You know, we had hard eyes, which I really enjoyed. Drop, you know, is it typical, you know, I consider thrillers, horror movies. You know, drop was really good. I enjoyed clown in a cornfield. I enjoyed clown in a cornfield. I thought that was just a fun slasher, you know, slasher film. Yeah.

Yeah, I really enjoyed companion. That was a double one. Oh, companion. That was a good one. Yeah. Forget about that. Damn it. God damn it.

It's only May. All right. It's only May. It's only May. Yeah. All right. On that note, Brian, Unless you had anything you wanted to ask, we'll keep it cool, right?

Going to cool a little bit? I actually have a couple of questions. I wanted to ask Jeffrey. I've seen that you wrote the screenplay for Day of the Dead reboot. Yeah. Yes. Was there any pressure writing a George Romero classic? Yes.

It's so funny because I'm always, I'll preface this by saying, if it wasn't called Day of the Dead, if I watched the movie as a standalone, I enjoy it. But the process on that one was really tough because what happened is they had already hired Steve Miner to direct the movie and I'd always wanted to work with Steve

and I knew they were making the movie, one way or the other. So I'm like, well, at least I can come in and make something that's faithful to the original. And I pitched them a take that was very faithful to the original. like most of it took place, you know, in the bunker underground. And, you know, it was just very faithful to the original. And so they signed off on it. But once I started writing the script, they started making me change everything.

And it was getting to, you know, and I had so many conversations where I'm like, look, even if we make a great, like, I thought Tom Savini's remake of Night of Living Dead was excellent. You know, even if we make a great remake, fans are going to hate us. so the more you take this away from what the original was, you're just making it worse. And they didn't care. They just, they, yeah.

So, and I, I'm not, you know, again, I've learned, you know, because obviously I was at the time as I'm writing it,

if you see interviews, when I started it, I'm like, fans are going to be really happy. And then later interviews, I'm like, it's a movie. Because I knew,

I knew what we were, I knew we were just getting so far away from it. So, yes, I felt a lot of pressure. But also at the end of the day, I can watch it as its own movie and enjoy it. It's just, again, I'm just like, guys, I wish you would have just put another name on this. And then the same company put out another remake, like three years after that. And when I found out they were doing it, I'm like,

hey guys why don't you go back to my original one that was actually very close to the first one since you stripped all that out of the one that we did and they're like no we want to go forward and then i'm like okay um so which i think also had the bloodlines tagline on there it did i think it had the bloodlines tagline on there too oh the um oh the remake of the remake yeah yeah Yeah, I think it did actually. Yeah, it did. I tried, tried to watch that one and I was like, I can't. But, but yeah, it's not happening. You always, you, anytime, I mean, there are some movies that I love that I would like to remake, but also, like,

Nine More and Elm Street is my favorite movie. I wouldn't want to remake it. I don't think it needs to be remade, but I think Freddie's such a great villain that, you know, there's some great stories you could tell. but I honestly would not tackle that because I'm so emotionally connected to it that I'm like it would just, it would be too much pressure, you know? Like, yeah, you know, even doing a sequel,

you know, to certain films would be daunting to me. Like, you know, as much as I love Final Destination, like, you know, I'm still in touch. I'm very close with the producers and the executives on it. I certainly talked to them about ideas on it, But the franchises become such an important, like, and big franchise for the studio. Like, you know, they're not expensive. They're not inexpensive to make.

Even, you know, people like David Ellis and Eric Bress, who worked on 2 and 5, like, they were under, they felt a lot of pressure and stress because you're trying to satisfy the fans. You're trying to satisfy the story you're telling. You're trying to satisfy the studio. so it's you're not just you don't have the creative freedom to like necessarily tell a story you want to tell so you know I've certainly got ideas on how I think finalization seven should go and I'll run a couple of them by by the producer but it's you know right now I'm focused on like I've got new stories I want to get out there where the pressure's off and it's just me being able to tell stories that I'm passionate about that I think genre fans will love that I don't have to worry about like studios like news tutoring them or changing them.

So that was a long-ass answer. So short answer, yes, on the pressure. Lots of pressure. And my next question was, I see you do a little bit of acting and you have a couple of projects coming out soon. Are you able to talk about those? Absolutely. The acting, the interesting thing is I started,

I moved to New York to be an actor. I studied acting in college. I got into the American Academy. me of Dramatic Arts for their summer program when I moved to New York. But back in the 90s, diversity in casting was just not on anybody's radar. So for somebody who's like mixed like me, like literally the only roles that were being sent my way were like pimp or drug addict. And, you know, my agent had a really, you know, New York, they're very honest.

That's what I love about New York. very honest people. And my age, I was like, look, you're a great actor, but she said, you know, you're, you're an ethnic boy next door type, like a Michael, an ethnic Michael J. Fox. And I'm like, that's great. Everybody loves Michael J. Fox. He's fucking awesome.

He was teen wolf. She goes, yeah, but they don't write roles for ethnic Michael J. Foxes. She goes, that's just not what they do. So you don't rap, you don't play basketball. You don't look like a thug. Like she said, it's just, it's, you know, I got some work here and there, but instead of giving up on the business,

I said, well, this is the reality now, so I'm just going to start writing stuff for myself. And unfortunately, I kept writing murdering teenagers as I got older, so I couldn't pass as a teenager. But I've moved more into producing now, so that way I don't have to worry about, like, getting yeses from other people. So I produced a movie that one of my friends,

Paul Etheridge wrote, called The Other, that's coming out on June 13th, through Quiver that we're really excited about. We shot it in Texas with a great company, Camp Lucky, and great producers, Lisa Norman, Jeff Walker and Tim Nagel. And it's about a young girl who's adopted by a foster family that can't have children.

And once they adopt her, something or something starts infesting the house. And you don't know if it's her or something connected to her or something after her. So it's a really, you know, I hate to say slow burn because people think that means boring, but it's not boring. It's kind of a slow burn mystery that just builds to like a really crazy ending.

So I'm, that movie I'm really excited about and I produced a film in Kentucky with some, some, PJ Starks and Eric Hitcherson. And I got to act in that, just a cameo role,

but I got some good, good lines in there and I got to get murdered. And it's called, It's called New Fears Eve, and it's about a killer at a New Year's Eve party. And we're talking to a distributor right now about it. So once we sign everything, they'll announce it. But it'll be coming out this year. But it's just a fun indie slash film that's gory, but it's also got the humor, not the nudity,

but the humor of like a Porkies or American Pie. like it's just very un-PC humor which I love which makes me laugh because I have the maturity level of a 15-year-old so it's but Felissa rose is in it Dave Sheridan's in it who played Officer Duffy in the scary movies and he's not a lot of other stuff too and Hannah Fairman so we have a and we have some local cast that that did a great job so I'm excited about that film just because it's just a fun bloody indie movie you know so that one I'm excited about

and the other other projects I can't it's not that I can't talk about them one I'm producing that we will be announcing very soon but it's going to be a really great film I can say that

the director writer is Colton Tran he's an amazing filmmaker that that that that I've worked with a little in the past and yeah we have a really good slasher maybe that he wrote that that's getting produced um and we're going to start shooting this year and um and then i've got a couple of my own projects that are really dark you know kind of going back to to to my Appalachian roots they're all set in Appalachia but um very dark and kind of dealing dealing with the state of the world right now

kind of where we're culturally like it seems like the government and the media is kind of pitting everybody against everybody whether it's based on your gender or your race or your sexual orientation or your religion

you know it kind of really taps into kind of that phenomenon and like why why why do people let themselves like ignore the issues in their own lives and start just hating other people and blaming other people for their problems. That's a little pat for what the movie is, but it's probably one of the darkest movies

and one of the most personal movies I've ever written. So we're packaging that right now. And hopefully in the next month or so, we'll have that out and set up set up. So I will definitely keep you all posted. It's an exciting time. for indie films and also just obviously with Final Destination, the new one doing so well, you know, I'm able to call these people going, hey, you know that script you've been sitting on for fives of years because you're like horror isn't profitable?

Can you just check the box office this weekend? Ari Oster has a movie coming out this year too, and it could be a senior Eddington. I'm hearing not a horror movie, but I'm hearing a lot. he's a very I think he's like excited about that he's such he's a very

I like he's a he's like there's certain types of filmmakers where they're just like savants or our tours and they amaze me because of the way their brains are wired um

so when I saw the work that he had done for hereditary and and and um like he had like I think a 300 page book of like everything broken down in the rooms and the sizes and like you know it takes a certain wiring to be able to do that you know Stephen king's like that Stephen king can crank out a book you know in a couple of weeks and they're great and um yeah so I'm always interested to see what

he does um because it's always interesting even if even if I like some stuff better than others I give him so much credit for just, you know, he's got such a very strong, clear vision that he's able to bring across the screen that they, yeah, I'm excited to see his new movie as well. Yeah, it's fair enough.

All right, you guys want to jump into Cool of the Week? Because I know you get an interview coming up later, Jeffrey, so we don't want to keep you. Oh, no, no. All right. Let's do it. Jeffrey, what is the coolest thing that you've either seen, a red video game you played, it can be concert you went to, whatever you want.

What is your cool of the week? I mean, this is going to sound douchy. I mean, my cool of the week was the Final Destination Bloodlans premiere. But I have to. Well, there you go. Okay. But for two reasons, I got to bring my sister from Kentucky. And she, when we had that, when the first movie came out, the studio was,

awesome enough to like have a screening in my hometown. So they bought out the theater, sent a print down, had a red carpet. And I, so I got to like watch the first film with my mom and my sister and all my cousins and all my friends. So to have her come out here to L.A. for the premiere was amazing.

But the studio also brought together, you know, everybody that was available from all the other movies, from one through the new one. So I got to meet like, I got to meet people that I hadn't seen in like 15, 20 years. And it was so cool just to get, just to have everybody there. It was just like a family reunion in a way.

So it wasn't just because I was red carpet film, The Lessonation, but it was also my sister and the fact that they, you know, they brought like so many of the people, the directors, writers, actors, you know, crew people, they brought so many people there that it was just so nice to be able to to meet some of the people I hadn't seen in such a long time. Nice. Okay. Well, it's going to be hard for us to top that beat. Definitely, definitely. I guess for my calls of the week, well, I've got two. Like, one's a film and one's a TV show. So one of my

calls is definitely a film called The Last Stop in Yuma County, which I liked that, yeah. That one I really liked a lot. It kind of really sort of reminded me of one of those sort of post-Tarantino sort of crime films that we

saw in the 90s because it has, like it has a great setup where pretty much it's like mostly in one location. It has this sort of really intense kind of plot where all where the salesman goes to this sort of little rundown little gas station in the middle of nowhere, and then these two bank robbers showed up.

And it's pretty much like becomes a sort of tense situation. It's like you're not sure what's going to happen because the bank robbers hold up the place and that it just kind of escalates from there. And what I mean escalating, I mean, to quote an anchor man, well, that escalated quickly. and especially in the last 40 minutes of the film. So that one I really enjoyed a lot. And when I was last on the show, guys, I sort of talked about how I was going through the entire Karate Kid films

in the lead-up to the new one. And but now I'm on to Cobra Kai. And I'm already two seasons in it. And it is an amazing show. Yeah. Brian? he ain't lying it's amazing and don't you ever let's shake your head to the karate kid exactly exactly and i have to say like i've already two episodes in this season three but i got

to say the season finale of season two it has some of the best action i've seen in a tv show because that the karate dojo battle between the two dojosos at the school, it had some almost John Wick level of fights in that whole sequence and even a few kind of one take shots as well. And I was blown away by that episode. And I'm loving what they are doing with this show to kind of continue the law of the karate kid, Frudge. and kind of taking into interesting directions with the characters and the story.

So, yeah, without that, those are definitely my two cools of the week. Nice. You want me to go? Yeah, come on, man. You're going to have at least a dozen, right? No, it was a slow week this week. I only got two. I got a TV show, and I got a movie.

I'll try to go through these real quick. The TV show is a new show on Apple TV Plus called, murder bot. You guys heard of this one? I've heard of it. I've heard of it too. Yeah, it's about this security robot that self-hacks

himself to be released from the company's control and he's basically on, gets sent on this mission with scientists and he's trying to not let on that he's thinking on his own and having emotions and

slowly the scientist, the crew are kind of getting on to what's going on because he's kind of acting behaving weirdly for a security robot and also when he self-hacks himself he renamed himself a murder bot for some reason

and it's got a good cast it's got Alexander Scarsguard David Dalsmaltzmalschen John Cho and a couple of other actors, actresses that I don't remember their names off top, but they're familiar like you've seen them in other things before.

So that was pretty cool. Two episodes are out right now, and I think new episodes come out every Friday. I'll check it out. My Cool The Week is a movie that I didn't think I was going to end up enjoying because it's really bad. It's bad. The effects are really bad. The acting and dialogue is not great. Uh-oh.

But I think it was made purposely bad because it's called a breed apart. Okay. I think it's a remake of West Craven produced movie from the early 2000s, I believe, called The Breed, about killer dogs on the island. Okay. It's essentially the same. I think you talked about that. this and news one time. Yes, essentially it's the same plot

where these group of influence, well, not the same plot, but the same basic outline of people going to this island for some reason. And there's killer dogs there and they've got to fight these killer dogs to survive. And it is completely

bad in the best way possible. Hayden Pedin Terra's in that, right? From Scream? Yeah. Oh, cool. Yeah. I'll check that out. Like, yeah, sometimes you need good fun, fun bad movies. Yeah, it's like two levels below, like, what's the Shark Nato? Oh, God.

Because they have real dogs in it. They have dogs, real dogs in it, but every now and then you really wonder if they really did have real dogs in the movie. Especially when someone kicks a dog across the, like, on. I hope that wasn't a real dog. Yeah. So I do love so bad it's good in a movie, so that's

going to have to be my cool of the week. Nice. A breed apart, huh? Yes. All right. Second week in a row, I'm off for again. I've got to go with righteous gemstones on Max, because I thought I was going to fucking hate this show. It's

the guys who brought to these Halloween atrocities recently, right? So, you know, I'm like, it's not going to be very good. It's just going to be, like, get corny. And I thought that all the characters were probably going to be very one-dimensional, because you've got John Goodman as Eli

Jimstone, kind of the patriarch of the megachurch family that the stories are centered on and he's got his three Natsso kids and their families, but it's a goddamn good, good show, guys. It's really deep. All the characters are really deep. very multifaceted. John Goodman, I mean, well, he's a hell of an actor anyway,

but you really feel for him in some of the seven. It's like, I wanted to just hate this guy that he's just this super greedy mega church dude, like give till it hurts. But man, I got attached to all the characters. I really did. And it was very well done. Final, final, it's one of those, I thank God they ended it four seasons because they ended it on a really high note,

wrapped everything up. The final season, actually there were some dark moments throughout, but it got really dark. Like people running around with guns and stuff like that. And it was, I didn't think I was going to care for any of these characters, but I was very pleasantly surprised.

And one of the three Jimpsons, his name is Kelvin, and it's one of those situations where, you know from the beginning that he's gay, but they don't like overdo it. And it's always kind of like yeah is he or isn't he is he or so and then finally like second to last episode he comes out and it's because they have he's up for an award okay so picture this it's these like real conservative christian um pastors that are like well that boy what he's up to just not right you know

you got all that going on and then like he can't say anything and so he's kind of like destroyed right and so the next day he he's like staying in his tree house that he loves his childhood tree house and his family comes around and says, you know, you've got to get back out there. You've got to see if you won the award or not. And then, you know, he decides to do it. He comes back out and he has an awesome coming out speech. And he wins the award.

So it was awesome. It's kind of a feel-good show. And I didn't think it was going to be. But it goes to those dark places, as you would expect, from the guys that did the Al-Olemy movies. So, yeah, what can I say? I was shocked. Righteous Jimstones, fun show.

Cool. So on that note, Brian, what do we have in horror headlines? Nothing really new to talk about, but I do have two things, and they're both coming from projects, coming from neon. The first one is Osgood-Perk

deal with Neon, ahead of his new horror movie Keeper. Can't be mad. I don't know if you guys have seen the, I don't know what it is. It's supposed to be a teaser for Keeper. It's about an hour long video on YouTube with Tatiana Mislani scribbling on a notepad.

I don't think I've seen it yet. I know that it was meant to be a teaser for Keeper at the end of the monkey, but when I went and sawed, I might have been released in the US, but what I went and sword here in Australia, knowing there's supposed to be a teaser for that movie. I waited until the very end, and we didn't even get the teaser.

I was very upset. Oh, no. Don't worry. I didn't see the teaser either. Mustna have been with my showing either. Yeah, I didn't see it either. How did you like the monkey, Jeffrey? Oh, you had to ask me that, huh?

No. No, I, I, I, When I saw the trailer, the full trailer for The Monkey, I'm like, this movie looks fucking awesome. And it had some really great stuff in it, like some great kills. Certainly, you know, little, little, oh, nods I felt to like Final Destination, some of the kills. I just wanted to really enjoy it more than I did.

And I think for me, the issue was, I didn't. feel like the story's it set up the story but it just i didn't think it relied on its on the strengths like there were the the the humor wasn't really consistent like you know his character i didn't i got why he was so standoffish because he wanted to keep people safe around him um but there was a point you there's a point when where you're kids like why are you why are you always gone like you you you tell you i feel like you tell him so i just I felt that I just felt like there was it started off strong, had some strong moments throughout it,

but then the Oz Perkins kind of slow, slowing down and quirky, you know, quirkiness kind of, you know, didn't quite work, yeah, took over. It didn't quite work for me. And the trailer was so damn good. Like that's the thing that I saw the trial. I'm like, if he just goes straight for like,

Like, you know, this is a great setup. You know, obviously dark humor, this damn monkey that murdering our family's back to kill our family. Great movie. But then I, you know, I feel like with the twist, with the villain, I'm not going to spoil anything. But, you know, I just feel like a lot of that stuff. Yeah, just didn't, I didn't all mesh together. So I left going, oh, I really wanted to, I really wanted to love that movie. But I, you know, I think the.

trailer also got my expectations up too high. What do you guys think of it? I actually enjoyed it because for me it was something different from Osgood Parkinson's than I'm used to. I wasn't really expecting to be as comedic. And not all the comedy hit with me,

but it was just something different. You know, especially coming off his project before Long Legs was nothing comedic about that movie at all. Yeah, I think it was the same for me. I mean, I enjoyed it as well. Like I, and like you say, Brian, it's an interesting movie to kind of see like Osgood Perkins making this sort of really dark, demented horror comedy.

And I can definitely see it being a grower. Like, even if people, if even there were times when I was perplexed by it as well, but I have a feeling if I go back and revisit it, I will probably enjoy it even more because like, okay, this is definitely, I see what he's doing here. I kind of know what to kind of expect now, because I know the original story is played pretty straight, and the comedy element was added by him. So I'm definitely looking forward to revisiting it again, because maybe it is because it had that sort of vital destination vibe within the story as well. So it is one that I can definitely see myself revisiting again, for sure.

Yeah, it was the first I was Perkins movie that I didn't love. I'll put it that way. Didn't hate it. It wasn't horrible. But, uh, so what you said,

Jeff Prevus. It's fun. I wanted to like it more. Put it that way. So, what other news, Brian? I think I was the,

you guys kind of beat up on me on that one a little because y'all loved it, right? You and Phil? We didn't love it. We just didn't understand why your score was so low. our last story we're going to talk about is about Allison Brie and Dave Franco's new movie together also coming out on neon is being sued for $17 million

for copyright and $3. And I believe the people suing them are saying that it's a blatant rip-off of the 2023 independent film BetterHack and there's a bunch that goes into the story, especially that this project was brought to Dave Franco and Allison Bree to it was offered for them to star in it, and they turned it down.

Uh-oh. Whoops. Yeah. Anybody seen that one? I mean, I've heard good things about together, and I think it's interesting now sort of hearing all the buzz, behind the movie. And of course, now this lawsuit has sort of come out. I'm definitely going to play the wait and see. I mean, I haven't seen better half, so I don't know how it sort of

compare. I mean, I haven't seen either films. I don't know how similar they are. But I guess in a way, I guess we're going to have to take the wait and see approach to see how this whole court case sort of it goes out because and see if it actually is true or not. Yeah. It's always interesting. I always give, because you know, I have a lot of people like all, like, try to send me stuff to read all the time and I have to explain to them like, I can't, because I'm in the guild, I can't read unsolicited material. But

there's two things that I always think of when I hear about stuff like this. One is I have had a couple of friends who have legitimately had projects stolen from them, where they submitted it to a studio, the studio passed on it, and then And like three years later, a movie came out with the same exact stories, same set pieces.

And, you know, my friends took them to court and won because, you know, there's a paper trail. Like, we submitted this to your company. You guys read it, your whole team read it. And you either passed on it and threw the script away. And then one of you maybe came up with an idea or thought you came up with an idea originally later. Like that happened to me once where I called my manager up one night. or one morning, I'm like, I came up with the best idea last night and I pitched it to him, totally forgetting, he goes, Jeff, he goes, I pitched, that's the project I pitched you like three months ago. I'm like, fuck, because I totally forgot. So sometimes you get like, intentional stuff like that, but studios do get sent so many things that there is certainly a possibility. I mean, this one, it does sound. like there's a lot of similarities and the fact that they actually offered the roles to them and

they passed on them, you know, you don't know if they read the script. Maybe they read the script and then honestly didn't just, you know, forgot about it, looked at five million other scripts and then said, oh, we have a great idea. You know, not remember, you know, so you never know if it's intentional or if it's accidental. Oh, the last story. After I moved to L.A., like, I was at a party with some friends and it was a husband and wife, and the husband was drunk, and the wife was drunk, she's like, you got to tell Jeffrey the story. And he's like, I don't want to tell him. She goes, just tell him. So it turns out that my friend had written, he didn't get in the details, but it was, I assume it was almost a comedy version of Final Destination where somebody doesn't die, like cheats death.

But it was a comedy, so death was like a fuck up and kept trying to kill them and kept not be. being able to do it. And so when he submitted it to Newline, Newline was like, this is a really funny script, but we literally bought the horror version of this two months ago. So, you know,

and for my friend, I'm like, oh, sorry, but then in my brain, I'm like, thank God that he sent it two months after they bought my script, because if he just sent it

before they bought it, even though we've been developing it for like six months with them, if he just sent it before they actually bought it, not knowing how the industry works and how long it takes to get a project like set up and everything, he would have thought I read his script and stole his idea. So there are a lot of similar ideas that are floating around out there all the time. So it is for this one, it's a wait and see for sure. Like, you know, obviously I think the facts will come out, you know,

and we have to kind of wait and see on that. But it's easy to, it's easy for people to be like, oh, well, this movie obviously ripped off this movie, but a lot of times a movie will come out, and it takes three or four years to get a movie made, you know, unless you super greenlighted in indie film and you get money and you go out and shoot it. You know, if it goes through a studio, you know,

I sold Final S edition 97, you know, it came out in 2000, and that was actually fast-tracked. So you can imagine what a normal track for a movie is, like five, you know, 10 years to get a movie out. So by the time a movie comes out into the theaters, it's been in development and shooting and pre-production for years and years and years.

So somebody could submit a movie to a studio within that, anytime during that process of like Avatar, I'm just throwing that out there for, you know, anytime in the process of the Avatar creation, somebody could have sent, you know, the studio movie about a planet, you know, with blue aliens,

you know, that live in the water and they would think, you know, they would see the movie and go, oh, they stole my idea, not realizing, well, no, James has been working on this for like 15 years, you know, behind the scenes. So, but yeah, this is a pretty bombshell news. So, yeah, I don't know why I felt like I had to get all Oprah and get all into all these specific tanges about possibilities. But, yeah.

Well, I mean, be that you're in the industry as well, you've seen it at first head. So it's, there's always some kind of, you can see, like, where it could possibly. I mean, it could be exactly, like you say, it's maybe just a coincidence or maybe Dave Franco, like maybe was offered it, didn't even read it, and then kind of just brush it aside and it just ended up coincidental or it could, they probably could, did read it and thinking like, oh, this sounds good, but we want to do like a more horror version of this story. So you'd never really know. And I guess once we'll see how it goes with, uh, where the case gets sorted out.

All right, Lance, that is the news. All right. Jeffrey, do you have any trailer parks out there anywhere near where you live? I don't hear in L.A., but back in my hometown, we have... Not in the city, huh? Yeah, not in the city.

Oh, and that. Back home we had, you know, there was a trail park. I think there still is at trailer park, but that was, we had our trailer. Like, we lived way out. Like, it was a 45-minute bus ride for me to get from our school home. We were the last stop. So that's how far out in the middle of nowhere we lived.

Yeah, way out of town, two and a half miles up a hauler. Loved it. Love growing up there. But, no, the trailer, the funny thing is the trailer that we bought, I don't know how in the world it's still standing. Like once I sold Final Destination, I, you know, I fix it. I wanted to get mom a house or something. She's like, no, just fix the trailer.

Like, she, she, country woman. Country woman down to the, down to her soul. She was such a fucking amazing woman. But she's like, no, just give me a porch and just reinforce the insulation and do this with the, you know. So, but that trailer. is still standing and that fucker is like 45 years old I think and it wasn't like

you know this was like Kentucky back in the eight you know 70s this wasn't like high end like you know trailer but it is still like Ollie that's a that's a testament man all right

so you should be okay then because we're about to go down to the trailer bar Brian is going to bring us the big the small and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first new trailer tonight, Brian? We got one trailer that we're going to talk about this week, and it is the new HBO original series, It Welcome to Dairy.

Andy Mochetti's back for this one. Bill Scarsguard is back as Penny Wise, Taylor Page, Javan Adepo, also stars. Let's see, the synopsis. It will follow the events in the 1960s, the time leading up to the events of the first film in the Stephen King It series. And from what I understand, they have a three-season story arc where each season will go back, each season will go back 27 years. So, Jeffrey, did you get a chance to see the trailer? Yeah, you know what, I loved the trailer.

that got that gothic kind of small town scary thing I do this is a personal thing this is a personal thing I I I just don't like prequels I I'm you know especially and I'll tell you what ruined it for me I'll keep it short but it's it's I remember when I saw the first Star Wars and it came out and I loved it and then I heard that this was actually part three and then after the first three they were going to to go back into a prequel.

So even at my young age, I'm like, so I'm going to watch all these movies that are going to take probably 10 to 12 years to come out. Then I'm going to have to watch another set of movies about characters that I already know about before we get new ones. So I did. I thought the trailer looked really great, but I just, and I think jumping back in time can probably will be interesting because it'll give us a new era. to look in new characters to meet

and I think it could be interesting but that was the only thing that kind of I was like I'm tired you know I've seen a lot of movies getting set or series getting set in the 60s and the 80s and the you know and keeps going back so that part was like yeah I want to see how it does but the trailer

I thought the trailer was awesome yeah I really enjoyed the trailer as well I mean, I love the first, the two it filmed. So I'm very intrigued to see how a series is going to work. And knowing that, like you say, Brian, it is going to be a free season show that's going to go back every 20, is it 27 years? Yes, 27 years. And so each, and being that, it's going to be a prequel and the next sequel is going to be a prequel. The next season is going to be a prequel to that prequel too.

So it's going to be interesting to kind of see the character of Pennywise in these kind of different of errant of his rate of terror. So I'm very intrigued by that idea because having read the book as well, like the book really goes into the back story of Derry and Pennywise like the history of the history together in this town. so I'm intrigued to see how the show kind of finds a way to explore them and so far it seems like it captures the feel of the movies as well so yeah I'm excited for this I'm definitely down for it

Lance I didn't do my homework sorry I don't know I was in the link I was still busy trying to make sure that you sent me Lance you sent me the If you, Jeffrey, if you knew the battles that we've been having with trying to find a new recording software.

Oh, no, I'm just giving you a hard time. The last, what, two weeks, I know you are. I just love it that you sent me the trailer. You sent me the trailer. I love that you, you were like, I didn't get to watch it. It's all right, Jeffrey. I'll give them a hard time later. Me personally, I'm all.

all in on this series, but I do have a little bit of concerns because from what I understand, Bill Scarsgaard signed on late to the show. So it kind of worries me on how much penny wise we're going to actually get. And there are a couple scenes in the

trailer that look awfully familiar to the first movie. Like the sink scene with Beverly. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like they recreate and stuff for the series. So but I'm going to be optimistic. about it. And I don't think there is a set release date. It says sometime in the fall. So I'm

pretty sure we're all going to check it out when it comes out in the fall. Yeah, I imagine like if it's set before, it'll probably be at like a close to Halloween release. I would have that would be awesome. Yeah. All right. That was our only trailer. That was it. That was it. Jeffrey, you got time to stick around for feedback? Get a bell. Yeah. Six more minutes with us. All right.

We're going to go into the listener feedback. Let's see. This week we shine the podcast spotlight on they mostly pod out at night. Mostly. Great title. Graveyard and Salem delve into the world of horror, covering everything from weekly topics and discussions to movie reviews. They analyze films, exploring both blockbuster titles, and also lesser known horror gems. Brian, they might even get it in.

into a breed apart, who knows? Ah, speaking of a breed apart, our good buddy, Matt Wood, says, looks awful. Oh, wait, let me do Matt Wood. Looks awful. That was probably terrible. Okay.

You can do better. Brian, you saw it. Yeah, you already said how it is. Yeah, I already talked to Matt about it. Okay. All right. We're good to go. Okay.

In a good way. Okay, regarding Screamboat, Devi Pula said, caught this in the theaters. It wasn't too bad, actually. You've seen it, Brian? Yeah, I mean, it's not saying much, but it is the better of the Mickey Mouse steamboat, Willie Horror movies I've seen,

because there's quite a few of them. I think there's like four or five. That's a lot, low bar. And it has a... Okay. So Popeye's better. So Popeye's Better is like of the universe, whatever universe we want to call it. It's the Pooniverse.

The Pooniverse. The Pooniverse. That sounds like, yeah, that sounds like a different universe too. Out of all these fairy tale characters that are free domain, honestly, I think the best one is the Peter Pan Neverland Nightmares. because that one actually surprised me. There you go. All right. And back here we were talking about together again.

Regarding the poster together, Adam Bunch said, this poster just gave me the creep staying that's an effective piece. Okay, here we go. Regarding Final Destination Bloodlines, Pat Caruso said, Can't Wait for this movie, hoping it's good. I guess we're going to all find out tonight. Although, Jeffrey, you've already chimed in.

You said it could be top two. yeah and again it's yes absolutely um you know and it's got actually and it's not just the rotten tomatoes reviews it's like the audience reviews and the letterbox reviews like it's been getting like the best reviews of the series but that you know i don't go by by reviews but i but i do think the fact that the audiences are responding so well to it, I do think audiences are going to really love it. No, the only complaint that I've heard is, you know, I've seen a lot of the, I saw like footage of a lot of the practical effects that they then obviously enhanced with CGI blood and stuff. And some of that stuff, I'm like, oh, you should have just left the practical.

So some of the, I, you know, I will say that, you know, there is some CGI in there that's, you know, probably the only negative, negative thing I could say about it. But some of the scenes that people think are CGI, like they aren't because I saw the practical effects, but they just CGI added CGI onto them. And so now that it does actually kind of look like it's a CGI effect.

I don't want to spoil any of the actual effects we could spoil. We'll spoil that later. They did that with the thing movie, Brian, remember? The second thing movie where they said they had done it all in practical and then they CGI'd over it or something? No, I think they actually... And people were like, why? They actually did the movie.

They started doing practical effects for the thing prequel, and then for some reason the studio was like, no, we're not going to use the practical effects. We're just going to use CGI. So the thing prequel could have actually turned out a lot different than it actually turned out. All right.

So get some, get some... somebody ready for final destination bloodlines. So now we're going to go to some feedback about final destination five. Pearl C. Brown said you have all the final destinations. Want to go see the new one? And wait a minute, what the hell is this? I miss reading this. You have all the final destination.

Oh, yes, I'm sorry, not you have. Yes, have all the final destinations. So Pearl owns the final destination movies. Wants to go see the new one with her man. I think. I could be all wrong here. You go, Pearl. Oh, okay.

Hell yes. There you get. Hell yes. I forget that part. That's the most important part. Okay. Ross Turner said the best one, in my opinion. And Skull Pilgrim,

We have some interesting people that write it. Skull Pilgrim said love it. So there you go. Final Destination 5. And the big one, the big feedback tonight, Brian posted a poll. What is the best movie in the Final Destination franchise? So far, the original is leaving the pack. But bloodlines is pretty close behind, guys.

So I'm not even going to try this name. And Ajak, do drop. Atside Kane, said two and five. and six. Okay. Rob Brown says either two or six. So we're getting a lot of love for bloodlines already. Oh, yeah.

Two, the gymnastics accident in the 3D one is well done as well. And five, we'll talk about that tonight. That was, yeah, that was my favorite kill. We all have our favorite kill, right? And we have our favorite intro. So one more, Chris Porton Essensio, said, the final decision. There you go. Steve Carlton

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So that's the movies, Jeffrey. Or that's the first part of the show. We're going to get into the movies. We know you've got something you need to get to, man. But thanks for coming by? Anything you want to talk about that we already covered? No, I mean, you guys have covered everything. Like, again, thank you for having me on the show. I say this and I'm genuine.

And I know when people repeat stuff, they don't mean it. But honestly, I just appreciate, you know, the fans. But I also appreciate, you know, people like you who do these podcasts that talk about horror and support the genre so much, you know, because, again, And I don't think the theater experience is ever going to die, no matter how much Ted over at Netflix keeps trying to convince us that, you know, people are going to be watching from their couches. I love you, Ted.

I want to have a Netflix movie. But people love the communal experience of going to theater. So, and horror films lend themselves to that so well. So just a huge thank you to all the fans out there, not only for Final Destination, but for all the genre films that other people are doing. there's enough love to go around for everybody's films and yeah if you want to just see what I'm up to just follow me on

Instagram Jeffrey A. Reddick that you know I post new information I'm also on X I don't know why I make a face when I say that I mean I know why I make a face when I say that but we get kicked off same username I'm both

We're not allowed. We're not allowed on X anymore. You're not missing anything. Sorry. But yeah. Your dude thing, man, and I'm over here proselytizing. Yeah. So you can, yeah, just follow me preferably on Instagram. X has been around, I've been on X longer.

But yeah, I just, not only do I post about anything I'm doing, but I also post about projects that I see that I like, you know, and support other filmmakers. So, yeah. So I look forward to seeing you all there. And again, I really appreciate you guys having me on the show. It's been a blast. Oh, what was the pleasure having you on?

Well, I'm a very easy get. So you can just hit me up and I'll be back. Nice. I'm sorry, that's my pickup line out at night. I shouldn't on that's not I must have. Brian is, Brian is our tech, Wunderkind. So if you have any links, or people that you want to help support,

have to reach out to Brian. But you can email us at the board returns. at gmail, rind.com. Yes, yes, sir. All right. Awesome. You all have a great day, okay? All right, you too.

Yeah. See you, Jeffrey. All right. And now it's time for our featured attractions. We're going to take that final destination one more time. So we'll start with final destination from 2011. death returns to claim the lucky survivors of a deadly bridge collapse in this fifth frightening installment of the series. Director is Stephen Quayle, also known for Into the Storm and Aliens of the Deep.

Writer, credit to somebody named Jeffrey Reddick with screenwriting by Eric Heiser. And this blew me away. He wrote Arrival and Bird Box. This dude has some shops. Have no idea. All right. This features the longest opening disaster in the film series. The Bridge Disaster lasts four minutes and 44 seconds.

So Final Destination 5, the one that was obviously filmed for 3D. What did you think, Deep? Yeah, I really enjoyed this sequel. Like, I keep forgetting that this one was also shot for 3D, because when I rewatched it in prep for this episode, because I haven't seen it for quite a number of years. because obviously when people think of 3D within the franchise, it's obviously the fourth film. But I think even at this point, I don't think they sort of relied too much on the 3D with this one.

But even as I was watching it, I was like, oh, this seems like a 3D shot. And then before we even recorded, it was like, oh, this was actually shot for 3D. So that made me laugh a little bit. But yeah, I think it's a really good sequel. It's definitely a massive step up after Art 4, which is, without a doubt, at least for me, the worst entry in the franchise. Because this one kind of goes back to more of what made the first one work. I mean, the performances, like some of them are good. Others are a little bit shaky, but I did enjoy it overall.

And there are some pretty effective kills in it, like the massage scene. and the eye surgery scene and also that gymnast's scene as well. There's some pretty memorable ones in here. And I think the fact that, like, and spoilers for everyone who hasn't seen it, when you get to the end and find out that not only is this movie, actually a prequel to the first one, it ends on the same plane as the first one. it's kind of, I thought that was such a cool kind of twist. And when you kind of rewatch, when you watch the film for the first time, you think,

oh, it's set in modern times, but it's, and then when you find out it's like, oh, it's set in 2000. And then when you rewatch it again, it's like, ah, all the signs are actually there, like, in terms of it being a sequel, but you don't notice it the first time. But yeah, I really enjoyed this sequel. I mean, it's not up there for me as one of the best ones, but it's definitely a solid entry in the series. What do you think, Brian?

I really enjoyed this one. This was a complete step up from the fourth one, which I agree with you beat is probably, not probably, is the worst one in the franchise. This one was filmed in 3D, along with the fourth one, it was also filmed in 3D, but this one looked a little bit better

as far as the scenes that were supposed to be in 3D. I thought the cast was more likable than the fourth one in this one. There was a little bit more character development with the main guy with his reasons on going to Paris or not wanting to go to Paris. I thought that was a little bright spot there.

Not a whole lot of character development, but it was something different that, you know, I'll keep going back to the preview. movie. We didn't get a lot of that. And B, brought up a lot of the great kills in this. The gymnastic one is probably in my book, top five, maybe top three kills of the franchise because it was so unexpected. And what was I going to say? Yeah, practical effects. There was a lot of practical effects that I recently found out was done. The final scene where the guy thinks that he's added on time to his life in the bar,

and he finds out the guy that died was going to die any day now. They actually dropped an airplane wheel in a set piece. That's the actual plane wheel that they dropped in a set piece. So like Jeffrey said, they do use a lot of practical effects in these movies, and they just kind of touch it up with CGI. So I thought that was an awesome thing to find out. But yeah, really enjoy this one. Yeah, it was fun.

I can't think of, I mean, you guys are saying, four wasn't great. It probably wasn't great. But, I mean, I have fun with all of them. I love every Final Destination movie. It's kind of hard not to have fun. with this concept, right? And the intro was kind of, you know, to me, a little slug burnish, right, to Slutburn and a final destination. I thought the setup took a little,

but I understand where they were going, right? Because they had done the first three. And I think, I felt like this one, they were trying to set it up to where they're kind of like growing up now and like getting it. The people we follow are starting to like get into the corporate world and stuff like that and have more responsibilities than high school students or what have you so i you know i at least appreciate what they you know kind of try to do with that i love seeing david ketchner like anything he's in he's fucking amazing it's hilarious he can think i could just stand there and and quote shakespeare i'd be laughing my ass off he's just a funny guy whammy and it was uh pretty pretty interesting casting character

You know, nice diverse cast. And, you know, you didn't have the, like, you know, the jock and the stoner. It wasn't that cut and dry, but it was kind of cool to have the different characters. And you dealt with that issue that I dealt with, like when I was working in grocery stores and then I got like a management position and all of a sudden I was expected to be the boss of, you know, people that were twice my age that had been, you know, slinging milk or whatever. doing stocking in the backroom for a couple of decades more than me and that's a real thing so i kind of felt where that kid was going from there but uh yeah it was fun like i say my favorite kill of all

final destination so uh score feed yeah i would say out of 10 i'm going to give this about a 7 out of 10 like it's a really solid entry in the series a good step back in the right direction after part four and I think if it was kind of set in the present it'd just be yeah pretty just still a solid movie but I think having

that the idea of it being a pre-ball having that twist at the end and also having some pretty creative kills definitely elevates it for sure although I have to say though I'm disappointed that David

Kekner wasn't killed by an anchor that it would have been an anchor man reference. So I'm a bit upset by that. Actually, I'm going to go a little bit higher than beat. I'm going to go seven and a half. I really enjoyed the story. I like the twist at the end. The kill scenes were great.

And I didn't even mention not Tom Cruise was awesome in this movie. Mission Impossible. Yes. So seven and a half. All right. Seven and a half. And I'm, and I'm going to go seven. So we all recommend this, right guys?

Yep. Definitely. All right. Moving on to the new one. Let's see. We've got Final Destination Bloodlines from 2025. Plagued by a recurring violent nightmare, a college student returns home to find the one person who can break the cycle and save her family from the horrific fate. that inevitably awaits them.

Directors, Zach Lopovsky and Adam B. Stein, also known for Freaks, which is a pretty cool little movie a couple of years ago, if you've caught that. Writers, Guy Bousick, Lori Evans-Taylor and John Watts. Let's see,

here's the trivia. Tony Todd was allowed total creative control over his final scene. That warms my heart to hear that, since he clearly did not have much time left and the crew wanted him to have the final word of his career. His final monologue was one that the crew encouraged him to use to impart some last advice to fans. So, B, what are you thinking about the new one, man? Are they keeping the magic going?

Oh, definitely. I would say, they slipped. Oh, no, definitely. I mean, they definitely keep the magic going. And I have to kind of agree with Jeffrey on this one. I think this might actually be the second best entry in the franchise. I mean, I thought for the longest time, I mean, two is great. Don't get me wrong.

But there's a lot going on in this one that I really loved. I mean, it still has all the elements that we love at a Final Destination film in there. But I think twisting the concept by having the opening sort of big disaster be set in the past. but then you find out, oh, it's not actually the premonition of the person who's experiencing that disaster, but somebody within their family, and then finding out that death, like I said earlier, is kind of playing the long game, because pretty much anyone who survived that disaster, not only is death going after them, but also going after their family because they're, you know, they're, you know, they're, you know, siblings, relatives and stuff like that, they were, yeah, were never meant to be born.

So it's like going around and just killing families one by one. And I like the fact that this movie really kind of explores that concept. And you get some, and one of the things I really liked about this film now that I think about it, it kind of goes back to what I really loved about the first film is, even though, yes, it has all that stuff in it, but it really focuses on the characters and it makes you care about. the characters, and you actually do in this film as well, and I think the cast do a really good job in this one. And you really do hope that for a lot of the members of the family, they do survive. And of course, you know, we will talk about what happens to a lot of spoilers. But yeah,

I really enjoyed this one a lot. I mean, it froze a couple of interesting twists in there, and the death scenes are fantastic. And Tony Todd. Bud's vital performance, I think, is just so beautifully handled as well. And I just think it's a great, great sequel. I really love this one a lot. You know, I have been really thinking about it. I might have to agree with you being. This might be the second best in the franchise because I was, I had number two in there

for a long time, but then I had to really think about the overall picture and really two was in there for that highway scene. This movie... Oh, yeah. Makes sense. This movie kind of rejuvenated the franchise with the new elements in the story that they implemented.

Great kills. Likeable cast. There was two kills in there. One was just unexpected. And the way they did it and another kill for me was just unexpected. Because it just happened out of nowhere. and it just kept me on the edge of my seat.

And I think everything they did with Tony Todd's character was great. You get some backstory on him. I love that he got to do an unscripted scene to the fans in the movie to basically say goodbye. I thought that was emotional. And yeah, great movie. I came in with high hopes and all my expectations were met with the, this one. Nice. Nice. I'm going to, I'm going to go up on a limit and say this is my favorite, my favorite Final Destination movie. I just had a blast from start to finish. There were no

down moments for me. And yeah, that opening sequence, I mean, Final Destination is, is, is, is, is famous for its opening sequences. And the way they did the twist on this one that you guys were talking about with the, uh, retro look and whatnot. That was, I thought that was pretty fucking genius to be honest with you because it was like they didn't tell you at first and I'm glad I didn't see it or I didn't notice it in trailers at least and when it happened

and I said that car they're driving in looks like a classic gold car and then they've got other and I'm wait a minute music on the radio is all late 60s music and okay I see what we're doing here and it was that was a great sequence like with the

glass cracking the penny and oh my God There were so many wonderful elements on that opening scene. And then, yeah, I did care more about these characters probably than, you know, maybe any from a final destination. Because there were all the family dynamics that a lot of people have dealt with and stuff like that. But then, of course, you know, you've got the death coming after you adding to that. Tony Todd's monologue. I mean, I thought he was just going to have a quick little in and out.

But he was pretty, had a pretty commanding scene there. and that was pretty beautiful way to end it. And, you know, him looking at the camera and, you know, basically talking to us. So, great movie. Good, good kills, lots of fun. I love to the outdoor picnic scene. That's just amazing. So, yeah, it's my favorite.

You just want to do scores before we spoil, Pete? Oh, definitely, definitely. I'm going to give this eight out of its head. I really enjoyed this one a lot. And I look forward to seeing it again. And it is definitely a crowd-pleasing movie because the crowd I saw it with last night, it was jam-packed and they were totally into this movie. So, yeah, it's definitely a great one in the franchise.

So 8 out of 10 for me. I think I'm going to upbeat score once again. I'm going to go 8 and a half. Just not too much. I'm really thinking, you know what, I'm going to go nine. Because there's not too much I can even really say that I didn't like about this movie. Woo! From the characters to the death scenes, the effects.

That's fair enough. Yeah. And that little tweak in the story just elevated this franchise for me. Yeah, lots of humor. I love the humor. Yeah. And it was well used. It didn't overstay.

It's welcome. Yeah, agreed, man. Wow, nine. I'll be, I'll meet in the middle. eight and a half. It's going to be on the list. It's such a fun movie. So much more than I was expecting. I was really kind of, I got to be honest

with you guys. I was worried. I thought, oh, fuck. Jeffrey's coming on the show. And I'm going to have to say I hated it because this is going to be one of those stupid passing of the torches bullshit. You got people showing up who died in the other ones, but somehow they show up and I was afraid it was really going to shit the bed. So I'm, I'm,

gleeful. Spoilers, guys. Who wants to go first? This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

Well, I've got to say, like I said earlier in this episode, that sort of needle sky tower, like... Well, I... Yeah, I'm terrible. had something simple like that here in Australia, center point tower, which is in Sydney. And I've been up there

once or twice, and that whole sort of feeling of being up there and looking out the glass windows and looking over the city, you do get massive bit of vertigo. So I'm totally related to Iris in that scene, but also when she finds out that the dance floor is a glass floor, that just sent my anxiety through the roof, mainly because here in Melbourne, there's this, I can't remember the name of the building,

but they had this little fig where it's like this little room. It is fully glass and it actually, it activates and it goes outside the building. So you can see right through the floor while you're dangling basically just over the city. And I've been in that once and I was completely and utterly terrified. And I had to be had my back up against the wall in case it just broke away. And yeah, this, this opening scene definitely tapped into those fears. But yeah, but I mean, the entire sequence, when it goes all, bat shit, is pretty creative. And that little shit kid deserved that piano falling on his head.

So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of great deaths. And again, the misdirector's great. You think it's going to go one way, but it goes a completely different direction. And the fact, like you say, Lance, the picnic see, it's great because you think, okay, this little shot of glass or this rake may do something. But no, it ends up being a blow mower. And the MRI sequence. Again, amazing. Yes.

Yeah, I was not expecting that. I was just because by that point in the story, you find out that that's not, he's not a member of that side of the family. The mother had an affair or previous relationship. So you thought he was safe. And even the brother, even though it wasn't a part of his death,

but the peanut allergy thing was disturbing. Oh, yeah. that was that looked real too real exactly and i'm surprised about that too but i did love the twist that you find out with that character his dad it wasn't actually his dad you think okay he's safe but he ends up dying and pretty much the only explanation they think like but he wasn't on death's list like why why was he killed and so well death just get don't mess with death or he'll just make things a bit more messier so he was this more like killed by associate because he was trying to get in the way of what death was trying to do.

Yeah, he was making it a point to not let anything happen to anybody. Death was like, nope, I don't think so. Real quick, I talked about earlier the tweak of the story. You also talked about a beat about death coming after the family that shouldn't have been born and shouldn't have existed. I love the fact that they're still around because the grandmother knew about everything that was going to happen and fortified herself away from everybody

for all these years and that's why everybody existed this long. Yeah, that's quite a twist. Has it been done before in one of them. Oh, yeah, and the fact that like and then once she does get killed off, in spectacular fashion. That's like, yep, death's like, yep,

time to go after the rest of the family. Might as well get this over and done with. Didn't waste any time on that one. No root goal or contraption, just a simple. Oh, actually, oh, go ahead. Sorry, Brian. I was going to say real quick, I love Tony Todd's connection to the story

that he was the little kid that she saved, the grandmother saved all those years ago, in that restaurant. Yeah. That was, what's his name, William Bloodworth? Yes, yes.

Yeah, that's who that was. So I like that. They brought that back around. Oh, yeah. And I think it also kind of answers, and it gives us an answer to a question, or at least a theory that this franchise has had since the beginning, is like since Tony Todd's first appearance is like,

is Bloodworth actually? death in human form or is it, but it's like, but this film answers, no, he was somebody. Well, now we know. Yeah, because he would have been a possible victim of death, but of course, he's in that sort of long line. And so now that, well, spoilers, all the family is now dead. Although I was a little sad that the brother and sister ended up being killed at the end. I thought, oh, maybe we might finally get a happy ending here.

Yeah, but nope. No, no such luck, but it was still glorious to see the, what was it too long, fell on them or something from the train? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, like hearkening back to the, uh, the first, to the second movie, for sure. Of course. Yeah, all right. Well, not a whole, that's not an Arioster film, right?

So I have like a whole lot of twisted. I mean, this family just as softened. Well, I mean, this family. just suffered as much as the family in the mereditary, probably even more so. Yeah. I guess so. I guess so.

All right, well, B, thanks for helping us set up the interview and thanks for popping by. What all do you have going on? I know you've got a 2B Tuesday coming up, right? Oh, well, actually, I'll be recording a 2B Tuesday not long after finishing this episode. So we have quite a few episodes because we've already got some main episodes

and also a couple of bonus episodes already in the can for the show. I know at the time probably when this episode is released, our next episode is on the Asylum-produced Death Race, knock-off film, Def Races, starring the insane clown posse. Nice. Oh, boy. And wrestler Raven. So that's coming up.

But we also have done a bonus episode on the. Andy Sondaris produced action film The Dallas Connection, which is just an absolutely insane episode. And also just at the time of this recording, Marcy and I have just dropped a new episode

of Podcasts of Horror, which is on two episodes from the Twilight Zone, one from the original incarnation, one from the 2000s. And surprisingly enough, both the episodes we're talking about are actually is, well, what is the classic episode?

It's a good life. And the second is actually a sequel to that episode called It's Still a Good Life. So definitely give that a listen. And also... I remember those. I remember those two episodes. Okay.

I'll have to listen. And yeah, we've got a lot of other episodes on the Superdead work coming up in the pipeline. And when it comes to my solo stuff, Bean versus the Living Dead. I've got quite a few new episodes coming out. A good friend, uh, Nez is popping on the

next episode. That should be dropping this weekend on the original Day of the Dead. So I look forward so I look forward to everyone listening to that one. So yeah, definitely a lot of great stuff coming up on both super on the Super Network and uh, the B

versus the Living Dead Network as well. All right. Thanks for coming. As always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns. You know where to find us. Just go to www. thehorrorreturns.com. Pretty simple.

Next week, Steve is back for more more howling. With howling, new moon rising, and the howling reborn. Okay, so on that note, Brian, until the horror returns again. Nice. How many of them?

are there.