The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #470: Howling: New Moon Rising (1995) & The Howling: Reborn (2011)

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

Steve joins us again to howl at the moon one last time. Cool of the week includes Revenge, The Magnificent 7, Nuclear War: A Scenario, The Surrender, and Gone Girls: The Long Island Serial Killer. Trailers are The Home and Jimmy & Stiggs. The podcast spotlight shines on Gutted Horror Podcast. And we get feedback from Pat Caruso, Fallen-Angel Suze, Martin Pyle, and Steve Haberman. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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I am not Lance, but he's right there. I'm Philip. We got Brian and Steve from the Geeks. How's it going, guys? What's up? What's up? Thanks for having you back again. No problem.

Well, we've got to do more howling movies. Yeah, after these two fucking movies, you'd better to be here. Well, my opinions on these two movies may surprise you. We'll see what happens when we get to that part of the movie. It probably depends on which one you watch first, I think. I watched them in chronological order. So for me, one of them was a lot better than the other. Yeah.

All right. Well, let's start out with. the cool of the week. Steve, you want to start us off? Absolutely. Two of the coolest things I've seen this last week are I watched Revenge from 2014. Oh, yeah. You remember that one, Brian? Yeah.

The girl that they knock her off a cliff, shook his pails on a tree. A-24? Red Sonia. That's the new Red Sonia. No shit. I never said. It just missed me. You know, I just didn't check that one out and I happened upon it.

Yo, that shit with the eagle on her stomach was nuts. I thought that movie was really cool. It had me squeamish, though, and that dude stepped on the glass. Yeah. Some of the most stuff ever. So that was really, really cool. And I just actually got finished watching yesterday, the Magnificent Seven from Anton Fugla with a. Oh, yeah.

And Chris Pratt. Oh, yeah. think about it. I've seen it before, but it's been a minute, because I mean, it came out in 2011. I forgot like Vincent DeAnofrio and Ethan Hawker in it. I got to say, man, it's really good.

It's really, really good. Yeah. It's stylized Western, but it's also really authentic Western. It's really fucking good. It's like a beautiful movie. The music, it's awesome. When they started to lighten off that TNT, I was getting chills. Like, the movie is

solid, solid Western entertainment so if it's been a minute even since you've seen antoine's take on a magnificent seven do yourself in favor and check it out it's not streaming on amazon so oh nice yeah i'll have to check that one out again i saw it but i can't really remember a whole lot of it it's i've been rewatching a lot of westerns uh just rewatched tombstone and this this just fits right in there with all of them it's it's really good it's funny it's got fantastic action

shitty bad guy for no reason other than to be shitty yeah you know Well, you got to have that one. But that's about it. As far as what I watched, that's about it. Lance, what did you got? I am. I was wondering if anybody was going to catch that. I'm reading a book or I've just finished a book called Nuclear War a Scenario that came out last year.

You guys heard of it? No. Not a feel good book. Nuclear War, A Scenario. So it's like a nuclear. It's like what would really happen. Yes. It's a nuclear,

nuclear walwurst scenario. That was my last answer. It sounds interesting. Yeah. No, it's, it starts out with North Korea launching a couple of surprise missiles. Like one of them, one of them's headed toward D.C. And the other one is headed toward a nuclear facility in California.

So it's basically. you know, sneak attack. Nobody knows what to do. It's just it's the amount of research the author did on what would potentially happen at like the amount of chaos and all these bunkers and shit. These bunkers ain't going to do shit. Nobody's going to be left alone. It's a nuclear war. Because I obviously... Everybody starts shooting nukes at each other. We're screwed.

Well, when America sends, you know, a response toward Korea and new rushes capacity is so bad to pick up on that stuff that they think they're headed toward them and then they fire yet things escalate quickly so it's uh you know again not not real feel good but a lot of interesting information about there i didn't i didn't realize that we had so many facilities for like early detection in alaska right you guys uh you guys are like you get like a early detection system they've got them in Colorado they get all those nukes yeah they're in the middle of their early detection Brian's early to Brian's early detection system in Alaska is just like looking over their fence in the back yeah I was gonna say what they're doing over there it's right

I mean you know not like there's a whole lot in Serbia but got a got a military base like 10 minutes away right over here there you go yeah well that might be a bad thing yeah right brian brian could be our first line of defense guys if it happens so we'll uh we'll duck in cover so in this book there's no uh scenario like the show paradise on hulu which was awesome like come on like that's kind of apocalypse i you know yeah they weren't that well you know hijinks and you know special networks and shit they weren't that well well prepared steve yeah it's uh spoiler spoiler alert everybody died you know, even in Australia.

Like the people that are spared for all the bombing and stuff, like the environment is so fucked up afterwards that they all die from carbon monoxide poisoning. It's not a happy book. But it's interesting. The author did their research. So who's going to bring us back up?

Brian, what you got? Let's see. I checked out Fountain of Youth. That's my not-so-go- cool of the week. I meant to see that. Why didn't you say anything then? I'm trying to forget it. What do you think, Brian?

It wasn't that bad. I definitely would have, my review probably would have been a little bit lower if I had to see it in theater because I think it ran a little bit too long. Yeah. It was boring? There's some moments where it dragged

I think that they would have cut like 15, 20 minutes out of it. But if you like Indiana Jones, Tomb Raider, movies like that, National Treasure, stuff like that, the cast was pretty good. I just, there was just some low moments in it that just took me out. You like John Crosinski. I don't like to see him miss. He's got nothing but W's as far as I can sit right now.

Jim, Jim from the office does not Indiana Jones mate, Brian. He did a good job. He was a great Marine. I don't think he was really trying to be an Indiana Jones type. Jack Ryan, yeah. That was great. He was great. Yeah, he was good in that.

W is. That's all you got. Killing him. I got a couple more. Something that didn't get a W was Pram, Fear Street, Promp. Oh, no. What? No, no, you didn't like it?

We reviewed it Friday. Too bad. For 31 days. I'm sure. Had to log it. It is a complete downgrade from the, what, the original trilogy that came out a few years ago. Oh, yeah. I felt like, you like this?

Well, shit. That's cool. I thought the kills were good. I thought the kills were good. There was some good kills. I mean, I knew the killers, like, almost not immediate. like I knew they were I knew stuff about that I don't want to

spoil it but like I was like okay well that's obviously and that's obviously but like I don't know some of the kills were good I thought you know it's catty and kind of lame kill was good I thought the grinder Is that the one Brian? I don't know I was

I was drawing while I was watching maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention there was a couple kills that was off screen Yes there was yeah the table's sauce, not the table saw, the was it, was it a grinder? Yeah, it was like a

or like a circular saw blade on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was cool. But then you followed up with a weak electrocution kill right after. Yeah, I did think that was weak. Yeah, you brought me up and then you brought me back down. I had that girl pegged as the killer first.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. But. Yeah, I missed the first, like, I don't know, 20 minutes of it or so and I came in while the family was watching it. You didn't miss nothing. Yeah, I didn't hate it.

I don't know. Brutal right. And I checked out two more films, both on Shutter. The first one's an Irish folk horror movie called Fraukka. I started that and didn't feel like reading, so I turned it off.

You made the right decision. Yes, bad week. Yes. Because it's a, it's It's more psychological than horror. Like, this lady, she goes into a small town to do, to take care of an elderly woman. And stuff starts happening.

And then they play off the whole, because she has trauma that happened in her past. So they play off of, is it really happening or is it the town? Okay. And it's a lot of reading because it's, what is it Irish? Gaelic. a gay language. Yeah. So they kind of bounce back on board, but mostly

they're speaking that language, so you're doing a lot of reading and a lot of waiting for something to happen. Like coming from California, like a lot of movies in Spanish, I can, I don't even have to read some of it. Like, I can pick up on most of it, you know? Yeah. I'm not fluent, but I can pick up on a lot of what they're saying.

Right. Gay, like, good, Lord. It's just like, booby-bib-diboo. And then I'm just like, I don't know what's going on. That is a. Each audience. There is a huge amount of syllables, and there's like two words on screen. Then there's like one syllable, and there's a whole paragraph. I'm like, I don't get it.

I don't get it. Maybe it's just a delay. Confusing. And since I was on Shudder, and it just came out, I checked out the surrender. Kind of the same premise where the daughter has to go back home to help her mother take care. of her dying father and she finds out that the mother is basically doing things

to set up a ritual to bring him back when he dies and it's nothing new as far as the story but it's done really well and it's acted well the main actress is I can't remember her name or her character's name from the boys

the one that's like the she works for bot She's like the marketing The redhead Is it not Stephanie Yeah I know I don't know what you're talking about You know what I'm talking about

Yeah The office Yeah she's She rips her hair out and shit Yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah she's the main actress in it And she's she's pretty good So I definitely recommend that

Don't recommend Falka or Beer Street Oh So it's the surrender I'm just giving things better ratings These days Yeah The surrender. Okay.

I'm like awfully forgiving. I watched prom street and I was like, oh, whatever, prom night. I'm like, eh. Prom street. Yeah, I, it was corny, but it was all right. The music was awesome. The music was awesome. What did you like about the dance off?

Oh, the dance was hilarious. I actually thought that was funny. The dance was hilarious. The mean girl was trying so hard. Because when you're watching my wife goes, They're not going to have a fucking dance off, are they? Are they really going to do it? And I'm like, I don't know, man.

Fucking, they did it. I know two white girls in a dance off. And they went there. My daughter looked at me and she was like, is this what you guys used to do? And I was like, damn right, we used to do this. We used to solve generational beefs with dance off. Dude, what are you talking about? We could stop wars with danceoffs.

Why do you think they did it in Guardians of the Galaxy? It's not a bad movie. It's just, I was a little let. I was let down. Yeah, I think Fear Street, like the original trilogy, it had like a more serious, you could, it was serious. You could take it as a serious horror thing. And this was like a horror comedy.

It was more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just kind of judged it by being that. Was it, was it at least? It's certainly the worst. If you were trying to rank all of the Fear Street movies, it's the worst of them. Okay.

I still thought it was out of it. Well, is it at least art rate? you put it like that's I think so because of that circular song killing because they go back for seconds

and you see it yeah now that you put it like that Steve maybe I was a little too hard on it maybe I was expecting the original

Fair Street trilogy and got so was I but then I didn't give it but they gave me that and it wasn't it's only tied in because of it's

shady side stuff but other than that there's not even any characters from the other stuff so I'm like eh it's just another little chapter

Yeah And Chris Klein Is old now Oh, wow Wow He was He was the father No

That was him From American Pie Really? I had no idea What? Didn't even click Huh Now I kind of got to watch that part

Now the movie Now the movie gets a hero So, yeah, I checked out that and I went on a documentary spree on Netflix. Oh boy. I watched the Tylenol murders. That was pretty good. Jesus Christ. It never comes down to like any actual answer of it.

Oh, just questions. Like six episodes in, they're like, and we don't really, we actually know less than when we started. I'm like, what the fuck? You did a whole show? I know. There's so many that are like that. And then they had a couple of serial killer ones. There was Fred and Rose West in England. And, man, they, like, as a couple, like, murdered just random women on the street,

and he had, like, 12 bodies buried in his house or some shit. Yikes. There's a lot of fucking weird people out there, man. That one was pretty good. What were their names? Rose and Phillip? Is that their names? No, these people were fucking crazy, man. It sounds like she was the mastermind behind the whole thing. But you do get some closure on that one. That one's pretty good.

And then there was a Long Island serial killer. I can't remember the name of it. But he, like, murdered a bunch of hookers and just, like, buried them all over the, all over Long Island. They found, like, 12 bodies. Hey. And that was pretty interesting. That's all I got this week, man.

So what takes the title? Time for some of my. I don't know. Do prom street. Prom street. I keep saying prom street. Prom street, right? Prom queen.

It's prom night. I keep wanting to pop color a bunch of shit that it's not. Yeah. I think I got to give it to the Long Island. serial killer. That was a pretty good one. All right. On to horror headlines. What do we got, Brian? I forgot to mention

it last week, but the Bondsman on Prime is canceled. Oh, no. Oh, shit. That one actually was a lot of fun. It sucks that they killed it at the last second. Yeah. I love that. I love that. I wish, we got to kind of a little talk

about this on the geeks. I kind of wish when they put out shows, it was like a rule in it. Like, when you're going to put out a show, you have to put out a show, you have to put out exactly how many episodes you're going to do. None of it. Stop doing this shit. Or if you get early cancellation, you have to put out a movie to get down the shit up. Like, this is bullshit.

Like, what are we doing? You're just setting up all these stories, never letting them pay off, or you're doing things like Wheel of Time, where they finally write the ship and get shit going good on season three. And everyone's like, hey, you know what? You know, not for nothing. The show's gotten pretty good, actually. And they're like, ah, fuck, it cancel it. It sucked. It sucked for two seasons.

You fixed it and then you should. Yeah. Oh, God, man. It's so frustrating. Let's see here. Supernatural is like 25 seasons. No, no. William Catlett.

He's been in movies like, what was the last one? I've seen him in Abigail. Okay. What was he in Amiens? He was the Black Marine guy. Okay. All right. He is going to be.

he's going to play a major role in the Crystal Lake series from A24. Interesting. Are we going to see a little, like a little young Jason in that show? Like a little, you know, big head. You know, like, ooh. Man-a Jason. A little monster boy. Getting bully.

You know, is that what we're going to see? A little sloth. We may get a scene. him being abused and mistreated by a camp counselor is oh man she's going to come with a trigger

warning guaranteed oh boy hey you guys right like sloth could be Jason if you put yeah the only thing that makes like could you imagine Jason with pointy ears that's even scarier

right sloth has more of a hey Arnold head I guess huh but that's what those stupid fucking masks you get in the store look like anyways. They're never round. They're always, you know, wide and bullshit, the spirit Halloween chasing masks.

Let's see. Danny Elfman is reteaming with Sam Ramey to score his next horror movie called Send Help. It will be a survivor, survival horror thriller. I like that genre. Can't wait. Yeah. Survival horror is always fun.

Do you see that one jungle with Daniel Radcliffe? No, I missed to. I know which one you're talking about, though. Yeah, that was pretty good. I read a book that was kind of like that. Or sorry, I listened to a book. If I say I read, I don't get shit.

I listen to a book that was like that. Yeah, close enough. But Jungle with Daniel Reckless really good. If you want to survive a war. I've never even heard of it. Yeah, I'm going to go check that one out. I like his stuff. He did a good job.

He did a whole body transformation. for that movie. It was like, man, nobody nobody saw this? Okay. It was good. Let's see. Last week, we talked about Michael Monroe taking over from Margoe Qualley in the movie's Victorian

Psycho. This week, Olivia Cook is taking over, taking, she's replacing Michael Monroe in the vampire movie brides. So everybody's jumping from one movie to the next. And then now what role is Margot Pauly going to take from Olivia

Cook. You know, they got to complete the trifle. Yeah. Yeah. The Brown Robin must be completed. Now, Olivia Cook is sitting out there not doing a shit.

Or no, not. Margotta Paul. Yeah. I'm sure she's on to bigger and better things, man, after that last one. Yeah. You know, I haven't seen her or heard her

name since. Substance? The substance. Yeah. Which was crazy. Yeah, but she was great in it. Quite the before. Yeah.

Super hot. And we'll finish with some terror fire for news. This came from 3C films. A YouTuber. Real name is Chris Parker. He was at Texas Frightmare. And he was doing a photo op with David Howard Thornton and Damien Leone. Is that how you say his name?

Leone. Leone, Leon. Sure. Yeah, something like that. Okay. He was there to touch up Art the Clown's makeup for the pictures, and he got to ask him a question about Terror Fire 4, and he's dropped a little bit of news saying the first 15 minutes of Terror Fyre 4

will give us Art the Clown's backstory. Ah. Yeah, it's dangerous. I know. Yeah. I'm not sure how I feel like. My jump to shirt. My jump to shirt.

I kind of like that he doesn't. have one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we'll see. I mean, we'll all be there for Tara Far 4. Oh, yeah.

Absolutely. And I think that's the news. All right. Time to take a little trip down to the trailer park. We're going to bring you the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird, which sounds like this week. Brian, what's our first new trailer? I bet you guys were thinking this whole time, when are we getting a Pete Davidson horror movie?

What happened this week with The Home from James to Monaco, the director of the Purge. Yeah, that's a weird casting choice. Especially because it doesn't seem like it's very comedic. Yeah. Let's see, the synopsis follow. The movie follows Max, who realizes the residents and caretakers. in the retirement home, he has started working at hide a sinister secret.

There's going to be a lot of naked old people in this movie. Guarante. Oh, I bet you're right. That's where the comedic parts happen. It's not funny, though. It's a little scary, though. I think Pete will make it funny. You think he's going to, you think there's going to be some comedy in there?

I'm sure they let him. Gotta be. Add live something. I mean, if there's naked old people, or in the red with him. I'm sure he's going to have to have something like this. Oh, yeah. It's just like the lighting and the color palette, you know,

the, all of that. It just gives it just really moody, atmospheric feel that doesn't scream Pete Davidson. Yeah, what retirement home has a room with black lights? They look like. Seems like a bad idea. No doubt. Yeah. Like, imagine if you have dementia, you know, and you wander in a black light room.

It's like, you're going to freak out, man. Tripping on acid. They sneak acid into the oatmeal. Eesh. So anybody goes. Okay. I just think it, it looks, it looks worth watching. I think the film, I mean, it looks like they spent a lot of money on it.

It looks like, you know, there's some decent acting in it. I'm not, I'm not, I don't hate Pete Davidson. I don't really care about him either way. Like, he's a funny guy that. got to like do a bunch of shit that a bunch of dudes wanted to do and now a bunch of people hate him because he got to do that that box yeah that's what i'm saying like you know i'm not going to hate on it you know it's like i don't get it like i don't get i was like man how but teach me but 12 inches man 12 inches be funny be funny and have a large don't the bank account doesn't hurt either

I don't hate the idea of seeing him in a serious movie. I think that if he can pull it off, might be kind of cool. Was that show he was on on Peacock comedic? I'm not sure. Which one? Didn't last very long. I don't know the name of it. Well, like, he did that movie with Bill Burr and, you know, the King of Staten Island.

Where Bill Burr was the Fireman? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. And, like, it had funny parts, but it wasn't a comedy. That was a drama. Yeah. You know, and, like, it had funny elements to it, but it was not a comedy. So.

Well, I think that worked because it was pulling from stuff that actually happened in his life. Mm-hmm. But I just mean he has the chops, I think. Yeah. So I'll check out. Home looks sweet. All right. The Home hits theaters July 25th.

And on to our final trailer. is from a director I like Joe Vigos Jimmy and Stiggs Jesus We're going to start with Lance because I said something super funny What else is your record?

Trash That Christmas one Silent Night bloody What was it called With a fucking robot Santa Claus Walking around Christmas Bluette Christmas?

what was that other horrible when he did he did the BFW that wasn't which was but there was one it that was just horrible I see it was so bad I can't remember the name of Christmas

bloody Christmas was all right she wasn't great all right well yeah yeah no I I started watching it's a it's a Santa robot killing people

the the bar is set extremely low. Yeah. So it's like, I don't expect, like, the fact that it's even a movie that makes, that has any sense at all, I'm like, well, you know, I probably couldn't have done that. Well, I would love to have him on the show. We do know somebody that is related to him. We do. We do. Right, Lance. I would love for him to come on the show and you tell him all his movies are trash.

Yeah, he's telling me what they're doing. And we'll get Eli Rothone with him, too, because apparently Eli produced this one, right? So, we'll do it two. Yeah, because you think all Eli Ross movies are trash, too. Well, there you go. But most of Eli Roth's movies aren't very good. Like, early Eli Roth was good, but then, like, hid that weird earthquake movie that wasn't good. Come on, dude. Knock, knock.

The Green Inferno, which I was so excited for. And then it wasn't good. What was it a masterpiece? Knock Doc. I'm being sarcastic. That movie is hilarious. I haven't seen that one With Keanu

I haven't seen that one because I know that's the movie that someone's going to walk in at the wrong time when it's on Steve you need to watch it because there's a certain scene with Keanu it's going to make you question is it bad acting or is it bad acting on purpose

oh really good point good point I will have to see that. Now you got me intrigued for one specific scene. I'm going to be watching it like a hog too. Yeah. But nothing about this movie intrigues you at all, Lance?

Not really, because I love alien movies, but this looks like a fucking rubber doll that were throwing around. I mean, I got to be honest. It looked like a fucking rubber dog. But you love Psycho Gorman. Well, yeah, but that was different. That was hilarious, man. Mimi, let's face it, Mimi made that movie.

for me. So Psycho Gorman was great though because it reminded me the old Power Rangers and shit they used to watch. I don't think this is going to capture that ethos. I don't think this is going to capture that memory. You know.

But I could be wrong. You know, might be great. Yeah, because you said before we watched Psycho Gorman, you said that movie would look like it was trash. Well, this movie at first, I thought is this is this a sequel to that one

that South African got made? Fried Berry. Because it looked like the same exact story as fried Barry. Literally. And that looked like fried Barry almost. So, I don't know. Yeah, but fried Barry had like Dick swinging around in it.

Probably well in this. Okay, I know what he's talking about. What the hell is Friday? I don't know. I don't think I see that. I definitely haven't seen that. I think you should go into it and probably only knowing that. Like you,

it sounds like you guys are talking about street trash, but I don't know what fried bear is. It's the new one? Yeah. It's the same director. Oh, okay. But I'm into it. It's practical effects.

It looks fun. It looks metal. It looks gory. It said the guy spent four years filming it, so a lot of his time went into it. and I'm going to support it. I like his direction in most of his movies

even if Lance thinks they're all trash. He's popular. He's got a following. He's got a following, that's for sure. Yeah, and he's giving you something different in all his movies, so I'm going to check this one out. I think it looks like indie fun. It looks, you know, it looks like a lot of fun

went into making it a lot of passion, you know, like a little passion project. It looks good. I mean, it looks like you're not going to be taking it too seriously. But if you go through the right mindset, you're going to have a good time. I like all the little blurbs they kept putting up. I'm like everything they just said about this movie makes me want to watch it more. It's a good trailer.

Yeah, a great trailer. I'm stoked about it. I'm definitely watching this one. And a good soundtrack. Yep. I didn't even know this was on the radar, Brian, so thank you for that. This or home, really. Yeah, home dropped today as we're recording this, and Jimmy and Stiggs, the trailer dropped yesterday.

So I don't see a release date, but from what I understand, it's going to be in select theaters starting, I think, in June. Okay. Well, maybe we're out to streaming before too long then. Since we're in the trailer park, I'm going to throw a little geek stuff in here and ask what you guys thought of the new round of Superman trailers, because it's a hot, top. on our show and I know it's not horror content really but I just wanted to get your guys as hot takes because I think it looks like a lot of fun

I'm like fully on board. I think it looks like a lot of fun I love that we're not starting all over getting the origin of Superman all over it's an established Superman. There's superheroes in and there's going to be other characters they all look fun it's directed by James Gunn written

by James Gunn he's done nothing that I have not liked so he's got my full trust So I think it looks fun. I feel like I'm defending the shit out of that trailer on my show constantly. I'm like, come on, guys. They're like, ah, like, oh, man, hard sell. Well, even after seeing the first trailer, it looks different.

I haven't seen the new ones. I kind of don't want to. The new trailer, it doesn't give you very much. It doesn't give you anything more story, but it gives you just a couple more flashes, a little bit of Superman talking. Okay. Which is nice to be able to actually say stuff.

But I mean, James Gunn hasn't really done a whole lot wrong. I like when he tells the monster stop. He's like, hey, eyes up here. This is nice. I like the attention to detail. What's the actor's name that's playing Green Lantern? That's Nathan Phileon. Nathan Phileon.

I just read something that he said he had to have the bowl cut in the movie. Yeah, he's playing Guy Gardner. Because he said that's how he looks in the comic. So that's how I want to look. It is a shitty bowl cut, bro. It is, he looks like a fucking pilgrim. He looks like a dumb and dumber style. Lloyd Christmas.

But hot girl looks awesome. Hot girl looks great. Mr. Territic looks great. Okay. I think Superman's suit looks pretty good. I still like Henry Cavill suit more, but I get it. I get it. Yeah.

I don't get hung up on the symbol and stuff. I just get hung up on all the paddy. Yeah. All right. Well, you check that one out too for sure. All right. That was it. Sorry, sorry to derail.

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Discussions, engaging with fans of the genre and sharing their own insights. They also feature gut reaction episodes where they watch half of a film predicting the ending. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, good stick.

I like it. And in regards to the back rooms, Pat Crusoe says, that was wild and interesting. What is the back? I probably should have brought that up in the new. The backrooms is like a creepy pasta

short film that this guy, I think his name's Kane Parsons, did on YouTube. Oh yeah. Ask your kids. Yeah, millions, millions and millions of views. A-24 picked it up. And basically he's going to turn it into a feature-link film. Isn't it just like he was like walking around

in the woods and found a fucking. and like an entrance and let him into an office building and shit. That's his other one that I want them to make that into a, where he goes in the hole in the tree and it's a staircase that goes down, like all the way down. There's like lights on and shit.

Whoa. Yeah. It's crazy. It's a abandoned mall. That is a trip. But the actress from the Black Mirror episode, the what's the Star Trek one? Okay, Christina Milang

Yeah, she's rumored to be in it And I butcher his name every time I say Chihuahua Edgua 4 Chuita. I know who you're talking about. He's also rumored to be in it. Okay, so I like him.

Looks promising. Okay. And in regards to Death of a Unicorn, Fallen Angel Sews says pretty good movie to be fair. I haven't seen it. Eh. It's all right.

You guys, I listen to your guys' review. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, that's fine. Let's see. Deep Rising. Martin Powell says, Got this on DVD. Brilliant film. Deep Rising rules.

Nice. Blast from the past. And in regards to the Conqueror Worm, I don't know what that is either. Me, me, no, me. Steve Haberman says, listen to my commentary with Ian Ogilvie and Philip Waddylove on the Wicked Vision Blu-ray, MGM DVD,

and Screen Factory Blu-ray in their Vincent Price Collection one. Yeah, okay. I've seen it. I've seen it. It's an old one. It's like those Witchmaster General. Okay. Yeah, those Witchmaster General type movies, right,

where they're burning the witch. Okay. Yeah. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. I say Vincent Price. So that's good. Yeah.

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and for $5 or more a month also pick a commentary for a future bonus show. All right. On two featured attractions. It's Howling Week again. Because Steve's here. But it's the last week, right? This is it.

For now, until they do the remake. They're supposed to do a remake. Is there enough one? I'm checking a double-checking right now. Not yet. Not yet. Because I thought the 2005 one was it. This is it.

This is it. Oh, that's it. Okay. They are working on a remake to the original. when the remake comes out, we'll have to do that again. Interesting. Yeah. We'll do it with a rewatch of

Werewolves. Steve. Oh, fuck, man. That movie sucks. Yeah. Fuck. I forgot about that part. All right.

We'll start with howling. What is this one? Seven. New Moon Rising from 1995. I think it's got a different name when I started it. It's called the fucking terrible background music over and over and over for the whole time. It was also released as Howling Seven Mystery Woman. It was somehow filmed on a 1997 Nokia phone and released in 1990.

Yeah, that's an accomplishment, right? yeah there's there's only one person in this entire cast that even has a picture on iMdb the rest of their local yelps it's old folks bar and they were like all right we'll let you film it here but we have to like sing a bunch yeah they're like a whole bunch and then they made a movie all right it says a small town desert community in southern california begins experiencing a number of brutal werewolf like slayings It looks like a bunch of people get, like, touched. Right.

Following the arrival of a strange motorcyclist, director is Roger Nall, also known for Hard Time. Don't know what that is you. Writer is Gary Brander and Clive Turner. During filming in 1990, actor John Huff, who plays the priest, Father John, was battling leukemia and was expected to live only a few weeks. Miraculously, he recovered and still resides in Pioneer Town.

Holy shit. Well, that's a feel good story. He decided to stay in that town. Maybe he's the real old. All right, Steve, what do you think about this one? Oh, this was very bad. This movie, like, it was annoying to watch it. Like, that's, like, the worst, right?

When you're just annoyed at the movie, they're like, God damn, this stupid fiddle song again. Like, oh, my, fuck. Oh, Bruno. And then full songs. Like, I don't like musicals, but you know what? I don't like more. Old folks that can't carry a tune.

And you've got to watch the whole fucking song from the beginning to end. Oh, yeah. That happened. Not once. Not twice. Not twice. Christ. Ugh.

Fuck this movie. The werewolf shit was trash. Like, they showed her. This chick's face. from twice. Oh, it was so good. We had to see it again. And then they showed like a close-up of a wear-of-face toy or some shit.

Oh, God. What the fuck even was this movie with his weird, long-haired Australian cowboy with Hawaiian shirts? That's the director. Was it? Dude, this movie sucks. The writer. This movie has no redeeming qualities. I thought it was the director, too, actually.

They tried to get, like, clever at the end and, like, look at all these stones were unturning. Look at all these revelations we're revealing. And I'm like, who the fuck even is that? And what are you even talking about? I don't even kidding. I just was so done. The credits were going and I couldn't turn it off fast enough.

Yeah. I passed forward to do that last little camp sing-along that they were doing. Did you? No it is anymore. Why you missed the best part? Hot garbage. So that's my take.

Wow. Lance, what do you think? Brutal. Oh, man. So, Australian Lemmy rides into town. And what? Everybody thinks he's a werewolf?

Is that the takeaway here or what? Everyone thinks he's hot. Like all the chicks are all the girls and all the ladies in the bar. Well, then why is he going for the ugly chick then? He could have done better than that. Jesus Christ. If he had a little town to be from, I guess. Oh, my God.

So y'all talk about the transformation. that what's that oh no I was just like the banter the back and forth between like the locals and and what's Ted or whatever his fucking name was

like like there's like a five minute conversation in a urinal she's like what do we do oh yeah that was so bad that was awkward yeah so y'all talked about the transformation

at the end there that was so terrible the really bad CGI other than that were there any actual werewolf attacks in this movie like practical or CGII well didn't we see like werewolf vision and then we saw

like that was it like he got like tickled from his back he's like ah you know like like it poked him and he was like what the fuck so they only kill so the only kills in this movie then were

regurgitated scenes from prior Allen movies right that they spliced into the story oh that fucking mess of a story of a story Yeah, they tried to loop in the other worst movie in the franchise. Yeah, Steve, they tried to loop in if you pay attention, which you don't have to go back and pay attention. They tried to incorporate five, six, and seven.

What? Yeah. I reckon. I know I know. They did the whole castle bit. I know that. So. Yeah.

Yeah. They did. They went there. But the acting in this movie, that the big thing is the acting right so you've got the priest or whatever he is that that's talking like there is a werewolf coming to get us and i think that you should do this and then do that and then the other well shit man what are we going to do the country guy and then what was with old grandpa they get old grandpa down there singing he's like i know what girl what a country man is she had country song and i don't

care how to carry a tune to go and go along this was bad it was like that and he had a I didn't know if it wanted to be a country musical or like a fucking Disney World Country Bear Jamboree or what the fuck was this? And then no werewolves, right, except that terrible double transformation and scenes from the prior movies. I mean, this is kind of like dragging the bottom of the lake. This is rough stuff. I don't, what could be redeeming about this? This is really bad. usually it's the soundtrack

easily I would have wanted to usually the redeeming qualities like the music but it's not but yeah nope I hope I'm missing something Phillip

uh Brian Brian what do you think this is the definition of what they call a vanity picture I'm making it up right now Clyde Taylor stars is Ted Smith the Australian guy He not only starred in it

He directed, wrote the screenplay, produced, probably did catering, edited the movie So he edited all that music in there This motherfucker. Oh no, there's a reason you've never seen you. The movie even finishes off with a musical scene And I'm not from Texas But I feel like Texas should be offended

It took place in Southern California, though Because that's what we do in Southern California, Brian. Right. We have, no. But why did they do the Texas thing? Yeah, they did like in Texas. Yeah. Zip, zip, zip the stars at night.

It's a badly written movie. How did they tell me how they looped into the other ones. What were their callbacks? There was a couple of scenes. that were spliced in like random scenes that made no sense to the story and then one of the actresses

from from that movie was in this movie. Right. Okay. So I think I did take up on most of it. And those are the only two movies she's ever done. Yes. And no, no IMDB picture, right, Philip? Nope. And there's only there's only one movie where there's

dancing with a broom. and that's broken to electric boogaloo, not whatever they were doing in this movie. And I don't know, you say country Western musical, I say they were trying to go comedy straight up because every interaction with anybody at the bar

they were trying to do jokes. They fell flat. They fell flat. Lance is right. The cop like starts a cute using the priest at the end. He's like, actually, I think you fucking went up to all this shit. And he's like, those are dangerous accusations.

Would you fucking emote, fool? God damn. But I mean, now that you said it, like, he's battling leukemia. So I feel terrible. You know, what is the end when the actual werewolf takes Ted back to the motel? Wakes an hour and says, now it's time for you to die. Why did they wait an hour? I don't know.

I guess that's when the moon was coming out. I didn't understand. Oh, that's when the moon was coming out. Bypass that whole, like he sat in that chair for an hour. Is that what happened? Yeah. I think so. You're on mute, Steve.

Always happens at least once. But they're waiting so she could have that awesome curtain reveal, you know? So they could be like, I set you up. Like, what? And he's, and Ted. doesn't emot either. Like he's got a gunpoint. He's like, oh, what's the problem? Schela. It's like, would you fuck? Right. Like, there's just nothing,

you know? What's the problem, Shayla? I'm terrible. I just I just realized they didn't have it be from the marsupil, Steve. I thought, surely he was going to be I know, why didn't he tie that movie in? He should have. That would have made more sense.

Wasted opportunities. I apologize for recommending this franchise because of this one. I have to admit it was legit fun. Oh, we got here. Oh, it's all right. Okay. Oh, okay.

We even got to the next one because I have some shit to say about that one. Uh-oh. Oh, me too. But like this, but there's always something you can at least have fun making fun of it. Or you know, you can find things to laugh at. And you're like, oh, this is going to make a fun conversation. This is just, I mean, I've had way more fun shitting on it with you guys. and I've been watching it.

Yeah. I've had more fun taking the shit. The only, you know what? That's the only silver line in this movie has. That movie, want to do scores, Phil?

Or no, you didn't even say what you think yet. Oh, yeah. Phil may love it. It might be the worst movie I've ever seen. Oh, no.

You forget about it. Jennifer. Is this worse than, I don't know, this might be, is this worse than black Christmas? This movie is notorious. This movie is,

This movie is notorious because I think this is, what's his name? Clive. Joe Bob. Joe Bob Briggs. I think this. Oh. Who? Oh, he did, like the monster.

Yeah, I think this was the first movie he's ever seen. Oh, wow. That's saying a lot. And he's seen everything. Yeah. This is a really, really bad movie, man. There is no redeeming quality. at all. The jokes were bad. The acting was bad. There wasn't even really a story.

At all. There wasn't. No. It just went from one thing to another thing. They didn't do anything interesting until the very end, and it was bad. It was just, like, the best part of this movie was the regurgitated scenes from the other shitty howling movies. I hate it when they do that. howling seven was howling seven was one of the most mind numbingly confusing accumulations of bad acting

and incomprehensible plotting that I've ever seen in my life and like Steve said that comes from a guy that's seen everything yeah this if you want to see the worst movie you've ever seen then go watch this but even then probably don't you got to watch this movie this that awesome magic trick where he drinks

the beer from under the table. Oh my God. I didn't get that at all. That takes so long to happen. I know. I thought he was going to sit in the cup and like, ugh. I thought he was going down there to give, to give the guy Fuletian or something. Jeez, what?

That would have been more interesting. But even that guy, like the town bully, he's like, hey, you, get out of here. Like, okay. Ooh. And he's like, fuck that guy. I'm going to get him with a knife.

What? That's not a knife? That's not a knife. Yeah. See, now they should have done that. I would have laughed at that. There was a lot of jokes and none of them were right. Yeah, but the guy that played Ted was probably like, I'm not going to do that.

That's not a little brow. He's trying to be a professional movie star here. Yeah, let's go. scores on this one. Steve? Oh, well, we give this rating out when we don't like shit on the geeks, too. I'm going to give it a big bat.

Zero. Zero on 10. The only we're giving quality is the conversation I got to have with you guys after the fact. That's it. That's it. Dane Don.

I'll give it a point five. Point five. They tried to make a move. Oh, they did. But they should. shouldn't have. Yeah. They didn't never ask, they knew they could, but they didn't never stop to think, should, you know. Okay. All right, Dr. Ian, Ian Malcolm, or what? I had a high school project with some theater kids, and we filmed, like, a midsummer night's

dream where we were all, like, acting. It was terrible. like fun Brian what do you think this movie's a fucking zero this is like they took the name howling and they basically amity-filled it

where it's just in name only and then somehow Clive Turner master, director, writer, editor, actor, pannessed whoever owned the rights of the previous ones to splice in scenes of the previous movies

to try to make it somewhat a werewolf movie. Well, he'd been in a couple of them, I think. Yeah, but Phil, he didn't make those. Yeah, that's very true. Yeah, he was the stupid ponytail guy. You know, now he's this long-haired. He's trying to make himself into Fabio. riding in town

his hair's too thin to be Fabio what are you saying Ryan riding in town on his motorcycle with his leather coat oh yeah

he was a duster oh my god what the fuck does this guy think he is right Australian Lemmy and put it out Australian Lemmy yeah

that looks like you uh so yeah this is after three people are sitting at a point five total score fell yeah no this is definitely a zero I'm not going to go negative on it but man it was like

really bad like this was I think this is a first I think it's worse than two than two Jennifer I think it is I can't remember what happened in two Jennifer but I haven't seen it in a long time well then we're right out of this is not good Oh, no Uh-oh.

Brian drops. Oh, no, Brian left. The werewolf got him. He's like, this movie sucks so bad him out. He still got one more to come for them. All right. And he said he had things to say about it. So hopefully he'll get back in.

I know. I'm curious. I hope his internet didn't go out. Russia guy. Oh. All right. There's our only warning detection system. Oh, shit.

That would be, we wouldn't have time to worry about. Oh, my God. The canary in the coal mine. All right. We'll move on to the Howling Reborn from 2011. A teenage outcast discovers he's a werewolf and must battle a pack of brutal creatures when they threaten him and his new girlfriend.

director is Joe Namsiki also known for an episode of the Outer Limits. Okay. Yeah, that was fun show. Yeah. Writers Joe Namsiki with James Robert Johnson. As of 2024, this is the final entry in the Howling franchise. A remake of the original was announced in 2015, but has remained in development hell since then.

so we're still waiting on that. Steve, you want to start us out on this one? Man, Brian. I'm trying to find Brian. I know. I need to come back. Yeah,

y'all talk slowly. Well, let's see if I'm reunited here. So basically what it looks like they did with this movie, now I watched this after the last one. So this was an actual movie with a semi-coherent storyline. True.

Decent. I've seen way worse acting than this. and the werewolves gotta say they're not that bad for this I mean they're actually pretty good at the end like pretty good like the werewolves the problem

they have here is the script is the nonsense that comes out of these people's mouths and the scenarios in which we find our characters like shooting up a school hallway and then having no reaction from anybody whatsoever it's kind of crazy

like that was three shots and a child screamed while plummeting to his death. We got an awesome dummy shot from that. And then the next thing you see is they just walk out of that hallway and everyone's just hanging out. Yeah. It never comes back. Yeah, I kind of expected something out of it.

It just doesn't. So there's some weirdness there. And then there's like, you know, this whole forced relationship between our two young lovers here where there's like, oh my God, there's a relationship and this and this. And I'm like, it's been like, four hours.

Like, you, you know, there's no love here. You know nothing about each other. It's been, it's been a total of four hours. You've known each other. But that,

all that being aside, you know, it's not a, it's not a good movie, but it is a massive swing up from the last one. Yes. That's a fair way to put it.

I absolutely agree. So, okay, Brian came back just as I finished. We got Brian. Okay, cool. trying to sit on the Facebook. Is he back?

Yeah, we got you, Brian. We got you. Oh, no. I don't think Brian's there. We said it was our early detection system. Yeah, we thought the Russians got you. So I just

finished mine up, Brian. Basically, I said it was just a massive upswing from the last one, but it's still not awesome. Essentially. but I did like the werewolves I thought the wereos I thought the wereos looked pretty decent

and it was almost in TNA it was a little bit a little weird seeing Ned to classify better on there trying to act like all right Lance you want to take it away I don't think I can you guys can't hear me can you?

Yeah we can hear oh okay oh man yeah it was it was a big jump up It wasn't horrible. I mean, I definitely didn't like love it. I wouldn't go back and see it over and over and over and over again.

But, yeah, a little bit awkward some of the sex scenes or near sex scenes or whatever. Like with the young high school girl and then the, you know, the mommy that didn't age. And if he was a werewolf too, how come he aged while she didn't? Did they explain that? Well, he had to hit puberty before he could become a werewolf. well, I guess apparently I'd graduate high school before he became a werewolf. Okay. Yeah, that old story.

All right. That makes sense. Yeah. Get with that one shit, you know, in the libraries. Otherwise, it's maybe a baby werewolf the whole time. That'd be terrifying. Fair enough. I mean, again, it wasn't terrible.

It wasn't like anything that I'm going to remember for a long time. You know, werewolves doing ecstasy and shit like that. You know, if I could, typical high school shenanigans. I guess. But just like just like Children of the Corn though, you know,

some of those not great movies, but in that franchise some of them stood out. You know, like that was definitely better than those other ones. And this Howling movie,

I would probably put just at the, closer to the top just because it's at least looks good. Yeah. At least I can look at it not be offended

by what I'm looking at. Yeah, but not great. Not great, but much better. Oh, I'm sorry. yeah okay uh brian what do you think movies trash oh no we're didn't ask everybody's a werewolf everybody's a werewolf nobody knows who's a warwolves right there's like no recognizable people that

see that was the the fun thing about doing the children of the corn and most of the the the housing episodes right uh because you you would see somebody you recognize somebody was collecting a paycheck for a day's work. I don't recognize anybody except the guy's hot mom that was banging the father to death. I was going to say she's somebody, right? I don't know where she's from, but I think I've seen her before. Yeah, she was in that show, Banshee, and I think she was a bomb girl. Oh, okay.

Some street grid. But this movie was hard, this movie was hard to watch. Like, I could not keep my attention on this movie. Oh, all of the script was terrible. It was like some high school Dawson's Creek insert werewolves here. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Good description. They tried to make it Twilight. Look at the color palette. They tried to make a Twilight. Oh, okay. Yeah. They even shit on Twilight in the movie talking about like, oh, we're not sparkly vampires. I'm like, oh, but you got the color palette and you got the music.

You're trying. They shit on some of the old howling movies too. They stole the font from the The Final Destination, the original movie, the opening credits. Uh-huh. Oh, shit. Didn't know. Okay.

Interesting. And then the ending, I guess we just, when they killed the mom off, I guess we just throw the rules out the window on how you kill the werewolves. Yeah. Yeah, it's just kind of whatever is convenient. Well, they said earlier. in the movie that only another wolf can kill the alpha.

Can kill the alpha. Yeah. I blacked out during that part. It's, it's, it's, you know what it was? I watched this literally.

I will finish seven and then went to this one. And I was like, oh my God, I can see. Like the whole other movie, I was constantly like rubbing my eyes. Like, I can't focus.

Yeah. You know, fucking, it's so blurry. And then this one comes on. I'm like, I don't know, Steve. I was fucking bored.

I was like, I'm kind of waiting for a country music song to start happening. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I'm kind of waiting on some jokes about dirt in the chili. I'm waiting on something. At least there was werewolves in this one, full-on, full-body werewolves that fought. That was cool.

True, true. Yeah. I mean, they kind of like just four-on slapped each other for a bit. It's how we're gonna be gonna be gonna be a little tail wagling around as they're busting through. Oh yeah, look like a rat's too. I was like that doesn't really match. I don't like that. They tried. Yeah. Bo. I didn't hate it mostly because I watched it immediately after that last one, which was like complete dog shit. It's the only way to watch it. Yeah. Makes it really good. Yeah, I'd actually

makes, I'm like, oh, man, thank God we have like a real movie. That's really all it was. I like that they had that line. They were talking about a like if I wanted to watch 40-year-olds, I'd go watch my parents or something. And I

think they were talking about the... They were definitely talking about the old guy in the Halloween movie when they just came out. I don't want to watch old people sing or some shit. Oh, so good. I didn't hate it, man. I thought the werewolf was okay. The story was, you know, not great,

but it was at least a story. There was something you could follow. Kind of had a happy ending sort of at the end there. I don't know. During the credits, though, I guess the werewolves take over the world is what it sounds like. I don't know. That was a cool scene on the New York Jumbotron thing, in New York, the Titan

everything and it's like it transforms on screen that it's a quick flash but I thought it was pretty cool it's a prequel to werewolves it kind of was this movie is better than werewolves this movie's better than werewolves yes

I agree 100% I'll rather watch this than werewolves again I really man well maybe not I don't know at least with shirt come on dude they're both they're both around the shirtless

about the same level okay shirtless Frank Grillo What's his name? Frank Grillo Brian, I needed to get your take

on the one scene though where the school bully pulls out a gun because that's what you do and then he shoots off three rounds in a school hallway during class

then his body plummet several stories to his death while he screams and then they walk out of the hallway and everyone's just like having lunch like right there and it never brought up again

and the maximum security high school with the greatest security system of all time that has a catacombs beneath it real quick yeah it happens to have a catacombs beneath it

yeah it's it's really bad stuff that's some bad stuff but you know there's some good way it was some cool world stuff I like when he was when it was like chasing him

through the hallway you know the tunnels and he he's escaping his crash into the door it's only get a glimpse of its face for a second, but I like that, building attention. What sucks is when you build attention for the whole movie, and then you get what you've got in seven, which is a shitty little face morph bullshit. That was bad.

At least here you build attention and you get like monsters that pay it off. I'm like, all right, well, I get like five solid minutes of monsters bashing each other through walls. It's pretty good. Yeah, although it seems like if they could break down concrete walls while they're werewolves, that he could have just turned into a whirl and broke down the wall. But yeah, I'm not looking

too far into it. You're asking for logic and good screenwriting. It is a werewolf movie after all. They struggle with continuity in these. One thing doesn't necessarily lead to another. But yeah, all on all, I didn't hate it. I was super relieved that I could actually watch this.

Like I was, I was so ready for that other movie to be over. Like, what is this shit going to end? Some of the music, though, I was questioning the choices. I was like, some of it was really aggressive. Like, okay, I get you're going for a move, but wow, this is. I don't know who this is, but it's terrible. Yeah. This is a terrible song.

All right. Scores, Steve, what do you think? I'll go ahead and throw it two over here at this. We'll give it a two. I forget what I gave Werewolves But I know it was somewhere down there Ah

Figure you would have liked more than that Lance No it's really a shitty movie It was just way better than seven That's something to say I'm giving it a three Oh Lance gave it a higher score Yeah I've given it a three

Simply because I saw it Right after seven No maybe I was too well Maybe I was too low I'll keep going up I'll match Lance Brian what do you think Point five

Point five It's a little bit better right is brutal man did not like uh I'm gonna go four on this one okay I

which under normal circumstances is a really shitty movie but they hate it howling scale howling scale howling scale

I'd give it like a six at least yeah because it is it is a lot better than probably the last three of them, at least, that we've watched. Easy, easily, yeah. Easily. You guys like some of them more than me.

Like, I didn't like Freaks. Those were some of them that I didn't take, that I didn't even have with fun that you guys did. Yeah, had some fun. Yeah, freaks was funny. Marsupials is the best. Oh, yeah. That's a wild time, man. All right.

Any last words? I think Steve is. going to announce the next franchise we're going to do. Oh, what do we got? I'm going to announce it. Yeah, I thought you had one picked out. Okay. When I read your message yesterday, I thought you said it.

I thought you said, don't forget, I'm going to announce the next franchise. I was like, oh, okay. So I didn't. Oh, okay. We're winging it. All right. Well, we'll have it. So what is it?

Steve, what's it going to be? We'll put a pin in now. I don't know. Okay. That's why I didn't say it. We'll find that. I apologize. I dropped the ball on that one.

That's right. We'll drop the ball a lot. The Harlem Globetrotters, we are not. As always, we want to thank you for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas, and you can always reach us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com. and you can find us at www.thehorrorterms.com and follow all our social media links from there

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