The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #471: A Dark Song (2016) & Bring Her Back (2025)

Episode Date: June 7, 2025

This week, Steve and Pedro join us to perform some rituals. Cool of the week includes I'll Be Gone in the Dark, Nothing But a Good Time, 28 Weeks Later, Karate Kid Legends, and Parable of the Sower. Trailers are Frankenstein, Black Phone 2, and Alien: Earth. The podcast spotlight shines on Freaks and Geeks Horror Podcast. And we get feedback from David Barta, Vanessa Gudgeon, Mark Komarzynski, Dani Thompson, Harpreet Kaur, Trey King, Justin Whitley, Adam Bunch, Robb Pollock, Pat Caruso, Andrew David, Josef Rocamora, and Deva Rodgers. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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I'm Lance. With me, as always, are my co-host, Brian and Philip, and we've got our sometimes co-host, Steve, and our sometimes co-host Pedro. How's it going, guys? Pretty good. I'm ready. back so soon

Kim was never left all right always love when you guys can join us for a feel good movie so we shall proceed I guess we'll jump right in the cool of the week because we're covering one movie that

I think we might talk a lot about in spoilers I don't know but who wants to who wants to get started it's kind of a crapshoot it can be anybody technically there's no guest on so I can start

I only have one quick thing. I watched the documentary series this week on HBO and it was about the Golden State Killer and it was about like Patton Oswald's wife. It was like the first genetic genealogy case. Oh, okay. And it was a really good doc. I'm trying to remember the damn. It's an older one, right? It's an older one, right? Yeah, I think, yeah, it's a little bit older. It's not new. Yeah, Patten Oswald's wife was like the first, she was, was the one that got the okay for them to use like the 23 and me and shit to find that whole.

Oh, right. So it's kind of that and all that, but it's also like, it's a true story. And if you know anything about that, like she's no longer with us. And it kind of goes into all that.

And it's a really, really, really good documentary. But the thing that tripped me out about it was it's seven episodes. At the end of episode six, it is one of the most beautiful, poignant endings I've ever seen in my, life on anything. They picked the perfect music to go with it. It's super sad. It like nails everything.

Finished. Done. There's like text at the end. I mean, you can't wrap it up any better than that. Then it's like next episode. And I was like, uh-uh. I don't even care what happens after that. Like the story is done as far as I'm concerned. I watch this whole thing and that's it. So I only watched six or seven episodes. I was like, because no matter what they do, they can't top that ending. there's no way it's impossible i thought for sure it was over that's how good the ending was and i just wasn't going to do the peter jackson you know return of the king extra four hours on to it so so what was it called golden state killer no i will get you that title in just a second i care okay uh well i got i got another documentary i'll jump in

There we go. Another true crime. No, this one is actually on the hair metal on the sunset strip. Oh, that's right. Yeah. It was on Paramount, I think. Paramount or Pica? I think it was Paramount. It's called Nothing But a Good Time. And it was about like Motley Crew and Poison and Van Halen coming through. Like, dude slash auditioned for poison. Didn't know that. Oh, that one dropped already. got to check that one out. It's awesome.

I had what I how much of a different band would that have been? I cannot see Slash on the cover of an album with like full-fledged makeup on. You never know. And he's too good to be in that and like a showy band like like a glam band like that. He was too good, man. Well, they pick Cece because he writes a lot of stuff.

And so he just kind of wrote his own stuff when he was auditioning. And like he didn't even play any of the poison songs. But Brett Michaels wanted slash and the rest of the band wanted CC. Who's a pretty badass in his own right, but obviously he flamed out. Yeah. And then Guns and Roses was destined to flame out. They were tearing shit up before they ever even got any money.

Yeah, but I just saw them last year on my birthday and Axel could still rock, man. I'd like 63 years old. Yeah, dude. I saw them when they first got back together. And it was one of the cleanest concerts I've ever been. Them and Metallica, dude, it sounds like you're listening to a record. Right. And they give you a show.

They're not going out there and giving you an hour. They're throwing those four hours, like old school fucking, to the point where Axel is asking the audience to hang on. They're almost done instead of the other way around, you know? It just like, Jesus, cry. I mean, they could still all going, man. And there was slash fucking, you know, cutting away and jamming. And yeah, that's probably my favorite band of all time.

Guns and Roses. Yeah, I just started looking at some bass lines from Guns and Roses. They got some cool stuff. Yeah, they got dove back. Love is there. Yeah. But yeah, man, that was, I had a lot of fun with that one. I watched some other shit, too, but I can't remember what it is.

So I'll probably bring it up unnecessarily in the middle of the podcast more. What you got, Pedro? I'll talk about a couple of films that I revisited, getting ready for the third one. I revisited both 28 days later and 28 weeks later. Very, very, very, I forgot how depressing, especially 28 weeks later, it's very dark and depressing, like more so than I remember it. Jeremy Renner's in it.

Yeah, it's a couple of, I forget the other people, but they're known. Imaging Poots. Oh, yeah, Imogen Poots. That's right. I can't forget that. Who's the one? one that fucks everything up, by the way. For the people that forgot, really quick.

So the UK somehow fixes the fuck up of the first one. They contain this fucking virus to maybe like a small little part of, you know, Europe or whatever. And somehow the emoji poots, she's looking for her mom and she goes into that danger zone or whatever they call it. And she brings the fucking virus back with her and essentially starts the whole fucking shit over again. You know what I'm saying? And I was so fucking pissed because you know at that time she's like fucking like what, like 16.

So you know she was going to make it throughout this whole fucking movie where all the other fucking people that are trying to protect her all fucking die on the way to protecting her and shit. And I'm like, you fucking bitch. You started this whole shit. And now she makes it out. She fucking made. Actually, she doesn't make it out. No, you know what? This movie is so fucking die.

I forgot about this. It is. They make it to Paris and she fucking has the virus. And it just ends with everybody just dying, literally dying. And I was like, what the fuck? I haven't seen a movie like this in a while. But I'm excited for the new one. It's supposed to be a start of a trilogy, right?

The new one, they have 28 years later. That's what I've heard. And then there's one called the Boneyard. Yeah, that one's already filmed. Right. And so I'm looking forward to that. when I found out it was a new trilogy, I'm like, are they going to end this one on a cliffhanger?

I'm going to be kind of bummed if they do, because I hate that shit. Because sometimes you have to wait years, you know? Yeah. Look at a fucking Spider-Man across the universe or whatever the fuck is called. Like that fucking movie, we're going to have to wait five years for any resolution to that fucking movie. From 20, 23, it's dual 2027, the third one.

Wow. It feels like time. stopped in 2020 and we're still just haven't quite caught up yet. You're right. You're right. No, but this is typical fucking like just studio fuckups, you know. And from what I, from what I read and heard. And so, and that one across the multiverse or whatever, that one literally ended in a cliffhanger. Like, if you watch that movie, it's a fucking cliffhanger. You know, it's not even like you could just move on with the rest of your life and shit. You have to see whatever is coming up next.

So I don't like when they do that shit. So hopefully 28 years later, part one, I guess it's going to be called. I don't know what the fuck. That one gives me like a clear, satisfying ending. And yeah, you could sprinkle some threads for the next one. I'll be cool with that. But I don't want to fucking see any kind of like cliffhanger on like, fuck, you know? I think that stuff beats the stop, period.

Like they keep doing that on like the first season of things. And then the season doesn't get picked back up. And you're like, what the fuck, man? the mindsman. Because look at, because look at that, look at that, when,

when Kevin Costner lost his fucking mind and, and fucking paid $100 million dollars for like that epic. And it's like, we're still waiting for part two, man. Part two was supposed to open

like a month after part one. And where is it at? Like, is it just sitting there? Yeah, sad. Does he have it in like an extra room in his pad? Like, where is it at? Like, where is this part two at, you know? So that's,

that's an example like Mission Impossible fucking dead reckoning or whatever we're supposed to get that one the following year and it was like three years or whatever two years afterwards same thing with the fucking fast X or whatever like all these fucking like

you know stop teasing me with this shit just give me a whole full fucking story already yeah I'm still I'm still wait to see what happens all those guys that were about to crash in the in the furious 28 movie or whatever it was called Oh, yeah, fast-text.

That ended on a crazy cliffhanger. Crazy cliffhanger. Yes. I'm like, what the fuck? Vin Diesel has gray hair now. What's up with that? I've had like serious medical procedures and, you know, and back to it since that movie came out. What the hell's going on?

Jesus. So, yeah, so I watched that. Another movie that I watched that was kind of a sad movie in a different way was doomed, the Fantastic Four story, because I'm, I'm just about the upcoming Fantastic Four movie. And, man, I'd tell you, like, I had already watched this one when it first came out about 10 years ago. I think I was like 2015, I think. What a raw deal of those guys got?

Like, for the people that don't know the story, essentially, in order to keep the copyrights, they made a Fantastic Four movie, like a real movie. Yeah, it didn't have the biggest budget. But then they made it for the sole purpose of just keeping the copyright. and then Marvel ended up canceling it because they were working on their own Fantastic Four and everybody that was a part of the production essentially got the shaft, you know, you had like the actor that was playing Dr. Doom, the actor that was playing Mr. Invincible or whatever.

And they were all like, what happened? Like we were supposed to go to this premiere and it just ended. Like they, you know, and it's just kind of fucked up, just how the business works, you know? And Stan Lee, I mean, sometimes you hear about Stanley, how much. of an asshole he was in real life and how protected he was by the PR department. And this is just another example of that because he fucking hated this movie, you know, because he felt like they were spitting on his baby. Because it was a low budget Roger Corman production.

So he was talking shit the whole time when he would go visit the set. And, yeah, so if I feel I haven't seen it, go check it out, Doom the Fantastic Four store. I think it's on Amazon. And then I saw the peewee documentary on HBO Max. That was all right. I mean, it was all right. So, so. Yeah.

Did any of you catch that? No. No, I've been meeting to. Yeah, I mean, he, I mean, he was the one that produced it. So anytime you see, like somebody who produces their own documentary, you know, I call shenanigans on that. But he was, he was very honest. You know, he talked a lot about his career, how he was gay for a long time, but he didn't want to come out of the closet because it was a different time back then. he talked about when he got caught jacking off in the movie theater and how like everybody made fun of him

and that's so weird like it's weird how like back in the day we had such limited options for like distractions that somebody just jacking off in the theater like made news you know like I don't see how that would even be like a big deal today just because you have all these fucking TikTokers and shit all doing crazy shit every fucking day um so but back then it was you know Um, so it was pretty good. And then, and then the sad part, I think, uh, like the last week or so, like, you know, he passed away while he was making this film. Um, so it was kind of like a big thing.

Like, at the end, he just, he just died. And then, um, he left like a recording. So he knew he was going to pass away and then, but he was the only one. Like, he didn't tell anybody. Um, so that's, that's pretty, uh, you know, it's kind of sad at the end. Um, and then that's pretty much it. I did give another shot to this doc, not documentary, found footage film called The Frog Man,

which got a lot of good reviews when it first came out. And I watched it when it came out like two, three years ago. And I never really liked this. So I was kind of like scrolling through shit to see. And I caught it. And I was like, okay, fuck it. Let me give it another shot. I did.

And it still sucked. So I guess the movies just suck, you know, and they get praised by their people. So that was that. That was my clues of the week right there. All right. Really quick, the name of the documentary show that I was talking about was I'll be home in the dark or I'll be gone in the dark. Okay.

Strange, strange title, but whatever works. Brian, do you want to jump in? Sounds like just some more masturbation in the theater on that one. What did I watch? I got a chance to see Karate Kid Legends. Oh, boy. All right. I liked it, but I had quite a few problems with it.

I can understand if this is your first karate kid movie, why you would really like it. And I can also understand if you're a fan of the OG stuff, why you would hate this one. Uh-oh. My problem is the movie moved too fast. They seem to go from one. thing to the next training montage lasted like 60 seconds no real very formulaic to the original one they

they had a chance you're bringing together daniel and jacky chans mr hine into one movie and you had a chance to do something different and it was very formulaic you got the bully kid there's a girl there's a bully there's a tournament very little Jackie Chan and Daniel no real mention of anything that happened in Cobra Kai. There is a cameo but it's at the very end.

So Brian, Brian, do you think we got spoiled by having like all these episodes that we could binge with Cobra Kai and then now all of a sudden you're trapped with like a two-hour movie? You know what? I think so because even though there was a lot of

remember this moment in Cobra Kai, it was still something new and fresh. And this one is just kind of, like I said, formulaic and rehashing the same storyline just with a different kid. Okay. Makes sense.

That's disappointing. Yeah, that's why I didn't even try to go watch this one. And I'm still got my little AMC, you know, Stubbs card. And I still was like, now I'm good. Just because I heard it was so formulaic and by the numbers. It was the very definition of the McCormulic,

of the McCauleywood assembly line that I always talk about, you know? Sure. All these fucking accountants just checking the boxes. Oh, they were like this. They were like that. And it's just very heartless, souless, dry. And then they have to cut it up because they want to squeeze in as many screenings as possible. So now you have like a movie with no character development.

And that's exactly what this seems. And it fucking, it seemed like it flopped. They got made 20 mil. It was number three on Memorial fucking Day weekend, which should tell you a lot right there. Yeah. It also did that thing that I noticed a lot of movies are doing. The marketing, I felt like, started real close to the release date. Right.

Well, that doesn't make sense. So, I mean, I'll give it the cool of the week, but it's a very minor cool of the week. Like I said, if this is your first time seeing anything in this franchise, I can understand why you would really like it. but I was looking for something new and fresh, not rehash the first movie all over again. Well, except it doesn't have Martin Cove. I don't think it does anyway. That would be awesome if it did.

No silver. No cocaine silver. And I watched like a behind-the-scenes documentary on little stuff Jackie Chan was changing in the movie. Oh boy. Kind of seemed like maybe he should have just directed the movie because he was adding little touches here and there. I heard that just kind of made sense. They did the whole like, we're going to mix Miyagi with Han stuff is like, yeah, but we just did that for six seasons in Cobra Kai.

And it was great. I don't want to do it again for two hours and have it be a pale attempt to get some of that same magic. Steve, they glance over the connection there. Basically, if you caught a line in Karate Kid Part 2, then you'll get the connection. I loved Cobra Kai, but this movie just did not excite me. I was like, nobody, not even Hawk is in there, then I don't want it. Hawk didn't show up?

I can't say who the cameo is. Oh, man. Let's just say, you guys are probably figured out, but the cameo, I would have rather had the guy in the cameo in place of Daniels, in place of Daniels spot. It would have made a lot more sense if he was in the movie. Was it, Chris? No, I'm guessing Johnny, but that's just my guess.

Well, that would make sense. Yeah, that would make sense. I'm guessing Robbie losing another tournament match, like he's used to that shit. Right. Man, that kid could not win a tournament. Yeah. No matter what, Joe, he was with. Right.

But he found a family, and that's all that matters. Yes. He should go kickstart the Fast and Furious movie with the family. He can play Dom's son since that kid keeps changing. That would be great. That would actually be awesome. but that's all like that they're having trouble writing it we need we need to help him out a little bit bedroom yeah well dom does have like a white brother in john sina which makes no sense when you

think about it but then again we really don't know what vind isle is like like we don't know his it's been a mystery i'm not sure how he's related to mea that's true also maybe maybe maybe it's like the dully brothers from a wweecw maybe it's just the dad has a bunch of like lovers and that's what happened. Nah, maybe. Pedro, you never big, big, dig Dudley? Yeah, big, big Dudley, of course. There was the Indian called dances with Dudley.

Don't look at me, folks. That was the name of the character. Wasn't there a sign Dudley? There was signed Dudley. Spike. There was the run of the litter, Little Spike Dudley, who they would call LSD. you know a lot of double entendres there and puns

but yeah of course so that's probably the Torretto family probably had a very wild father you know it just screwed all these women and you had John Cena coming out you had Mia coming out and then you had Mark Sinclair aka Vin Diesel coming out they're trying to fix their shitty dad's family

oh man Speaking of which, did the Rock, not to get off topic, but did the Rock get, like, major plastic surgery for this new role that he's got coming out? No, that's just made. Like, what the, what the, come on, man. You don't even believe what you just said right now. Come on. Hey, it looks good, man. He looked totally different.

I was impressed. He looks like Mark Kerr, the guy of the movie's about. Yeah, I was a machine. I was super impressed. It looks like that's going to be a fun movie. all right lans what you got all right i've got i'm going to go with a 1993 book a parable of the sewer so i'm like you know i read that nuclear war scenario so i guess i'm in a end of the world you know feel feel good reading stage so this is a this is a book about a family that's that's

in los angeles and it's the year it's the far far distant future of 2025 and um they It kind of, you know, goes into a lot of social, societal issues, you know, global, or, you know, climate change plays a part. But it's just nuts how they've got, like, they have to, the different families have to set up sort of like compounds, basically, and have all kinds of automatic and semi-automatic weapons just to go down to the grocery store and stuff like that. So, I don't know, nuclear war a scenario kind of got me going down that, that rabbit, whole. We need to get one that we read about together, Philip, or maybe do an audio book with aliens taking over. What do you think? There's some good alien stuff. Rogan has had a lot of alien guys on lately. It's been pretty awesome. Yeah. Like guys that are aliens or? Well, no, like guys that are in the know with the alien stuff talking about like aliens and ancient civilizations

and shit like that. Like, I've been in a, in that kind of mode lately. So I'm about to say, Rogan's ahead of the head of everybody. He's got aliens. Hey, dude, that was one of the questions

somebody asked him if they were like, hey, if the government came to you and like, you're the guy for the disclosure, would you do it? He'd be like, hell yeah.

I bet he would. Hell yeah. Who wouldn't? That's pretty cool. All right. Moving on. It is time for her poor headlines brought to you by Brian.

take it away. All right, we got some casting news from Mike Flanagan's carry series, Samantha Salonian and Amber Midthunder. I know Amber Midthunder from Prey. She is not hard on the eyes. That's for sure. Yes. And I'm seeing here, Samantha Sloanian,

she was in the fall of the House of Usher and Midnight Mass. Okay. Probably would recognize her then. I just watched something with her in it. The Mid-Thunder chick. Oh, she's on everything. Nova Cain. That was going to be my other cool week.

I told you I'd bring it up. Yeah? Yeah, it was pretty good, man. It was silly, but it was a lot of fun. Well, sure. Of course, it's going to be silly. Yeah. You know.

She was in. She was an opus, too, remember? Oh, yeah. Colt, John Moutta Pitch, Colt. That movie. That movie. Oh, not worth a good time with the opus there, Brian? No, not at all.

It was so-so, Steve, so-so. Let's see. Wednesday, season two, gets an August 6th release day. Ah, nice. Granddaughter will love that. Stranger Things, season five finally gets a release date. It's going to be split up into three sections. Of course.

Yo, they are dragging this shit out so much. You're going to keep you on Netflix subscription. Let's see. The first five episodes will be on November 26. The next two episodes will be Christmas Day and the finale. this year, Lance, and the finale will be on New Year's Eve. Okay. That's not too bad.

I don't hate that. Yeah. I feel like they're doing this because they're still filming. Probably. Okay. Let's see. Trying to de-age the kids or what? Yeah. Let's see. Get those kids some role games.

Those kids are going to need light to learn by the time we get the damn season. I think they're older than we are at this point. That's brutal, dude. It's completely ridiculous how they're being split up because usually the scam is that you make people wait so that people have to re-up the Netflix service, right? So you do the whole January and May or whatever. This is like November, December, and January.

Like, what the fuck? Let's see. Like, I'm not comfortable seeing 11th. Wait a minute. I'll literally before I make the statement I'm going to make. She's a married woman now. Okay. Dude.

I shouldn't be seen her with lustful lies, is what I'm trying to say. Did you see her in that, like, fantasy dragon thing that she did? Yes. The dragon's head. They had her dress up, Toro. Not fucking bad, dude. All right. It's the same thing when you go see sinners and you remember watching true grit for the first.

time like yeah oh that's true that is true she has grown up let's see big news from yesterday has well they all do and we stay the same bloomhouse has allegedly blumhouse has allegedly acquired the saw rights from twisted pictures that worried me i got really really concerned like really concerned because blumhouse seems to have this gimmick now where they just remake everything that seems to be their thing but they don't even remake it right or correct or fun or anything. They just fucking just fuck up all these franchises

and just go all the way to the bank with it. So not that Saul was like great or anything towards the end but it was still a nice little franchise and I enjoy it, you know? So we'll see what they do with it. Part of the steel states that since James

Juan is Atomics production has got a deal with Blumhouse. He could return as something. I don't know. I don't know what James Juan does. As producer, like he does everything else. There you go, Philom, producer.

Yeah. Well, we'll see. That means that that Chavez guy's going to direct one of these fucking movies. Oh, no. My favorite conjuring director. Yeah. Let's see.

Octavia Spencer is set to return from Ma 2. It won't be. that needed. In what world is Ma too needed? You tell me. She's got to be in jail, right? Yeah, you would think so, Steve. I looked this up because I was curious on why

they were doing this. Apparently, Ma, the character, has become like a internet sensation with the movies and stuff. Of course. They're trying to capitalize on the-of-course. Fucking analytic bean counters. You know, you know how many

awesome original screenplays go unproduced every fucking year and here we're going to get Ma Part 2 because of some fucking mean Dude this is The very Tip Beginning of the edge of just AI making

movies Which is coming I promise I'm sure you're right I'm sure you're right Let's see Ryan Coogler says He does not plan on making a sequel to sinners

Good. Well, Todd Phillips once said There was never going to be a Joker 2 and we saw what happened there. Oh, God. I want to see a Cinder. I still want to see a Cinder's TV series. I think that would be the perfect

perfect fodder for a, you know, a 10 episode, three or four season round. Yeah, he says he's not doing the franchise thing because he's already done that with Black Panther. Okay. Mixed results. Mixed results. A different story I read.

I like the first Black Panther. Warner Brothers is interested in making a Sender sequel, so I don't know who owns. James Y. He's going to own it after 25 years, but in the meantime, I don't know what Warner Brothers has the rights to do. Centers Part 2, 3, and 4.

Blumhouse is going to buy sinners pretty soon. Danny McBride will make it. We're going to get the origin story of the Irish vampire. Right. Eastbound a down. And I believe that is all the news for today. Well, that guy that played the Irish vampire is going to be a, there's rumors that he was cast as Clayface for the DC. Yeah, I was going to talk about that.

That would work. That would work. Right now that's just speculation. I wouldn't have brought it up as we were just talking about it. Well, a lot of our Facebook followers, Brian, would demand anyway that you say the exact date it's coming out. I just started a bunch of... Direct all your hate towards a little at the geeks. When I post a poster, I need to post release date who's starring in it, synopsis.

Yeah. Which theaters, which local theaters it's going to be in? Showtime. Oh, Lance, I've been asked, where can I watch this? Even though the poster clearly states coming to theaters at this release date. That's all right, man. We still love our fans, right? Coming to theaters in 2028.

Where can I watch this? Oh, man. All right. Time to go down to the trailer pot. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first trailer tonight, Brian? Guillermo del Toros Frankenstein, starring, what happened on my screen, starring Jacob Ely, Oscar Isaac, and Mia Gauth.

The husband from Drive, the one that gets killed in the robbery. Pedro, I'm going to throw it to you for this one. Okay, so first of all, I'm going to say, I'm going to do a fucking, I'm not a big fan of Guillermo Deltore. I think he's a little overrated. Does he have great films? Yes, he does. Does that mean everything he does is great? No.

And I just think he's, he focused so much on the visual that sometimes he forgets there's a story to tell here. Now, he did direct one of my favorite movies of all time, the shape of water, which I love. But there's, with me, he's got more. hits than misses or misses than hits I should say. There better not be any fish fucking in this one is what I'm saying. With that

one actors I'm going to talk about later. So this one just looks like a Netflix overblooded like it does. It just looks so like I don't know. Mac movie or what did you tell it? No, no, no. I want to

go that far because it's more the total. He does have his little original flair, but it just seems like there's, it's going to be more than it should be. And it's just going to come off as this like overly expensive, bloated studio movie. It didn't really do anything for me.

But then again, I will say that there's preface a lot of this shit. I'm not a Guillermo del Toro fan. And I'm also not a Universal Monsters fan. So that's too, that that's on me. It's not the movie. It's not the movie. It's not the movie. It's on me.

So I just watch it. I was like, okay, I'll watch it when it comes up. But if it's like three and a half hours long, I'm not going to watch it at all because that's that's another thing that I'm fearing like with these kind of films these fucking guys have no like editor they just you want to make it five hours make it five hours fuck it um so we'll see why it goes but it didn't really

do nothing for me the visuals were nice but is Gilmodo torah of course they're going to be nice so that's my thoughts on that you know what's not intriguing me is i heard they're selling jacobeliority's frankenstein as sexy Frankenstein oh no there's going to be frankincine fucking. And there is that scene in the trailer where he's beating people up ninja style. And that's always, it's like, come on, you know. And so, yeah, we'll see, we'll see how it turns out. But I'm not, I'm not really excited for it. The Ninja Frankenstein. Yes. We're going to get a montage that's longer than 60 seconds showing them out, showing a Jacob of Lurdy getting taught how to tussle by Moon Knight. That'd be cool.

For like Dr. Frankenstein. Shadowboxing. Teaching him like, like, fucking movie ties. I just don't think I need another Frankenstein again. I used to be one of those assholes that I regret. You know how like when we get older, we realize you were an asshole when you were younger. I used to be one of those snobby guys that would correct people whenever they call the monster Frankenstein.

I mean, like, yo, you know, that's the monster. And then now I'm like, what a fucking asshole. Like old me to young me, what a fucking asshole. you know what the fuck I meant I actually I kind of don't hate it but we'll see what Giomo does we'll see I don't know man

how do you guys feel about Gioomo are you guys fans I mean he's got a big fucking follow for the most part yeah it's pretty to look at but sometimes lacks in the substance department or it gets a mellow dramatic Yeah.

Overly, overly dramatic. He's a little bit of James Wan-esque to me because like he like he's got some hits for sure, but then his, like if it's Guillermo de Toro produced

and they just slapped his name on it, it's going to be trash. Yeah. Not always the consistency, right? Like the one with Jacks, I can't stand that fucking movie. I saw it once and I'll never watch it again. No, uh,

well, He said, can't work with them a couple of times? Oh, Crimson. Krensen, never saw that. Not Crimson and Ty, that's a great movie. I don't like, what is it, Nightmare Alley. Yeah, that one's long, too. They're all fucking long too.

Oh, I didn't even see that one. All right. It's long, and what do they do? I like both. I like both. So, all right, look, so when I was watching this trailer, I was wondering, are they going to try to do, like, dark universe 2.0 here?

Like, because this. This looks so fucking much like Nospheratu, right? And then like you guys are saying, style of those sounds, it's just like Nospirotia. Is, was it just me seeing that? Or did you guys get that?

Is the monster going to have a Freddie Mercury? Are we going to see Freddie Mercury style mustache in this movie? Oh, and a big penis, big Frankenstein penis. Well, how in hell, if he can,

if he can pick a penis from any way, he's going to get John Holmes's in a lot, right? Look, The only Frankenstein movie I want to see at this point is a film version of the 1976 classic Parliament album, The Clones of Dr. Funkenstein. That's what I want to see committed to film. That was very specific right there, but okay. Yes, yes. You can have penis fingers.

Frankenstein hits Netflix in November onto something that just dropped today. I had to add it to the list Alien Earth Noah Holly's Alien series starring Sidney Chandler Alex Lothar and Timothy Oliphon

I'm going to I'm going to throw this one to Steve No it's cool I like him too Yeah it's I didn't even need this trailer It was I'm sold on this already And this just cemented it Can't wait

Really really just can't wait to dive into this It's going to be one of those ones It's going to be tricky I love wait until it's all out to binge But I do love the alien franchise So You're going to get spoiled Dude, the geeks are going to spoil you

You got to watch out, man How do you feel about them introducing They said there's going to be At least five new alien species Introduced Oh cool Love it But not xenomorge right

They said alien species Not seen them Yeah they said Xenomorch is one of the five. Some of these aliens might be threats to the xenomore. I love it. That's one of those things that, you know, back when you had the toys when you were a kid, all the ones that was like one that was like a bull alien,

it was like a leopard alien, you know, there was all these weird alien toys that came out with. And even in the movies, part three, the alien was from the dog, so he was running around on all fours. So that was always kind of the point. Like they kind of mimicked whatever they came out of. So,

I'm going to go for that. We kind of see one in the teaser. It looked like a little squid alien. So we're going to see Xenomorce fucking up aliens. I'm down. Or maybe some other alien fucking up Zeno Mars.

Yeah, well, we know which one came out on top, for sure. Yeah. The only thing is that then it becomes like a Transformers movie. Like you still want to make sure the human fact of the characters are well written that we could still care about. of them, you know, instead of the big monster fights.

As long as there's monster fights. Yeah, it sounds like we're excited. They should have one at the end of every episode. That should have been the memo. Like, there needs to be an alien, alien versus alien after every episode or it doesn't get green lighted. That might get old, though, right? I mean, if it's every single episode, Pedro.

Hey, that's never stopped them before, ever. That's true. That's true. Com versus Godzilla? Yes. All right. All right. Aliens Earth hits FX, August 12th, and it will be on Hulu the next day.

Okay. Noah Holley's never, never, never done us wrong yet, so. But this is said 100 years in the future, right? Sure. I would like to know, yeah, I need to know the timeline from this, because, uh, I think it said 2132. I don't know. I don't know. I don't have my alien timeline in front of me.

Okay. Yeah. Because that may be the future for us, but not in aliens. I don't remember when they were supposed to be flying around. That's what I was wondering, but that's cool. I just hope they don't try to do, like, you know, the whole, like, a member of Barry's shit. Like, I don't want to meet, like, I don't want to meet, like, Sigourney Weaver's sister

randomly in the neighborhood. You will. Yeah. Or a clone. You will. Runs the local flower shop. Or Paul Riser or some shit is just hanging out for no reason. Oh, God.

trying to make money. You know what other than I think about it, I do want that. Fuck it. I want that. Do you? That would be funny. All right. Our final trailer this week is a sequel to one of Lance's favorite movies, Black Phone 2.

Oh, God. This looks so bad. I'm going to throw it to. I'm not even going to get into directors or who's in it or synopsis. I'm going to throw it to Lance because I knew you were going to say. this looks bad. Yeah, it looks bad. It looks fucking horrible.

When is it set? Like, at first, it looks like it's in the 50s. If the grabber's dead, I'm going to say it's set after the events of the first movie. Yeah, I could that threw me off. I could almost go on for a prequel,

but holy moly, man. I think it's a prequel and the people. I think. But hey, hey, but you know what, Pedro, he was like pulling his mask off and there's blood. He must be like his eyes. or something, right?

Zombies? This is the closest thing we're going to get to Freddie Kruger. Yeah, that's what it looks like. Ah, okay. Which I think is a smart move for them because I don't know when we're going to get a nightmare on Elm Street movie. I think this is going to be more. Some folks got to die before we get another one of those. I think this is more of a character study on the kid than it is on fucking the grabber, whatever the fuck his name is.

that's what it looks like to me anyway because yeah I don't think I don't think it's going to be as supernatural as they're making it out to be I think it's more like the kid is probably having nightmares or visions or shit but then again there is like it does look like a prequel at times because there's like another kid stuck in that room and who knows man

this is I love the first one unlike Lance I'm not being sarcastic when I say that I love the first fucking movie but but I I will go on record as saying I don't think a sequel was necessary. I mean, there's nothing to say. This fucking guy died, you know, and it was a horrible fucking crazy-ass experience for that kid. That's it.

But I don't think a sequel's necessary. But it made a lot of money, so fuck it. I'm down for this one. I like the tagline. Death is just a word. They didn't use on earth. Everyone could hear you scream. They didn't use it this time.

They used it in 1993 when it was, when that was the original plot for the part three, but they didn't bring it back for this trailer. For Alien. Steve, what you think? I think it looks, I like tundra movies. So, you know, anything was snow. I'm always like, I always feel like that adds an extra element.

So I'm here for, I like the first one. I really did in, you know, I think that some of the visuals in this looked really cool with him in the phone booth with all the blood and everything. More sinister than black phone I got. Yeah. And it's like they did what Bobafet didn't, you know, on the show. You know, they kept him in the mask. They kept them the mask.

Keep him in the mask. Yeah. Yeah. Give him credit to that. Yeah. And kudos to, uh, kudos to Ethan Hawk for willing to jump into a sequel and cover us face for the whole time, you know? It's not often you see A-list actors

wanting to do that. Well, because I think the big thing from the first one was hey, that's a pretty cool villain. And so maybe they're kind of capitalizing on that and making him sort of the new Freddie Kruger. Although since Pedro said that, I was like,

is it all in his head? Is that what this movie is? I bet it is. I don't think so. It could very well be. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think they're going for a Freddie Krueger-esque angle with the grabber. He's tormenting these kids in their dreams. Because there's a scene in the trailer where he's, I think, stabbing a kid in his bed and they cut to him in real life.

He's like raising out the bed and he's being stabbed. Yeah. It should have been a waterbed with some girl with big tautas inside of the waterbed. That's what I was. Ten out of ten. Yeah. Obviously. Jesus Christ.

I think it looks good. Yeah. Black Phone 2 hits theaters October 17th. All right. On to listener feedback. This week we shine the podcast spotlight on Freaks and Geeks Horror Podcast. Four Freaks discussing the quirks, inner workings, and bad decisions from horror movies and the like. So check them out.

Yeah. And in regards to a new thing poster, David Barta said, where did this poster come from? It's amazing. Brian, there you're going to get to ask a question. But this is our boy, David. So do you know? Yeah, it comes from a guy, I think his tag name is a creepy duck design. The real question, he made the thing poster?

Yeah. All right. But the real question is, Dave, where's your Patreon pick? There it is. Tushay. Yeah. Oh, man. We love our patrons.

We want to give back, right? We want to give back and let you pick the movies. Anything you want. Don't take it too far. In regards to chainsaws, we're singing. Vanessa Gredging said, I absolutely love this film. I have never heard of this film. It's a musical.

I thought so. Brian, Brian's going to put it on the schedule, right, Brian? Yeah. With Wicked? The sequel? Yeah, of course. Okay. We're see. Dead and Buried. Mark Komarzynski says,

great movie with a great concept. The needle in the eye still gets me to this day. And the ending was very unexpected. I always rewatch this one once a year or so. In regards to the Thursday Murder Club, Danny Thompson says, Can't wait to see this one. Is that coming on Netflix?

I think it is, right? Yeah, it's a Netflix movie with, it's a murder mystery with Helen Mirren. Okay. Man, she is busy right now. She is doing a lot of TV series. Why not, right? Yeah.

She's still hot, and she's probably, what, under 70s? 80s? It's got a good cast. Man, how come See, that's the thing about Netflix, man. They just, like, flood all these films and you never even hear about it. They do.

This one has a Chris Columbus directing. What? Yeah. It's got Helen Marion, Pierce Brosnan, Ben Kingsley. I mean, this is a good, David Tannen, Jonathan Price. It's got a hell of a little cast here, man.

No kidding. That's where our Netflix. one up above. Richard E. Grant. I mean, damn. The Thursday Murder Club, August 28th of 2025.

Is Hugh Grant in there too? No. You want them to be related so bad. I know. I'd like to see them both like play twin brothers or something. Even though they look nothing alike, but okay. All right. All right. And we got

regarding the Twilight Zone, the movie. Harpreet Cowher says you want to see something really scary. Yeah. I love that scene, by the way. I love that fucking scene. Yeah, it's from a scene. The first story in the movie, or the wraparound story,

I guess. Yeah, the ramparound. The pre-story. In regards to Death of a Unicorn, Trey King says, I saw this movie last week. It was awesome. Jenna Ortega, you're still my favorite Wednesday, Adam. L-O-L and I'm glad you made it to the end without getting attacked by a unicorn Spoilers

Sort of that guy was wrong about four times In that entire statement right there, man Oh, come on, Pedro Everybody's get their own opinion In regards to Mithrigan 2.0 Justin Whitley said this looks so bad, horrible Yes, yes it does It really does

Especially that little That little, like, weird robot in the beginning with the cartoon face. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What am I doing? Oh, boy. Yeah, that rough, rough stuff, Steve. They ought to just have Wally in there, right?

They want to get sued. Well, a Wally look-alike, right? They could call it EWAL. They could call it short circuit. There you go. is that is that is that is that is that is that is that blum house is megan blum house yes okay because they let that one go through and they let ma part two go through so you're gonna get blubbed couple of times we're gonna get blumbed uh in regards to love death and robots

uh adam bunch says i love this and secret level so damn much uh rob stuff right steve oh yeah is there a new season that's out of that yes yes yeah yeah brand Oh, man. Quick watch. Real quick watch. Yeah. Yeah. Rob Pollock says it was an okay season.

Spider Rose takes place in the same universe as Swarm. And Bruce Sterling's makers and shapers universe. Steve, can you enlighten us? Is it the video game thing? No, it's references to other episodes. Yeah. Ah, okay. That makes sense.

Okay. All right. Check it out. It's really good. I mean, there's one episode. This season is kind of short. All the episodes are really short. But there's one episode in particular that I thought was the best.

And it's not one that I saw advertise very much, but it's all like this World War II episode that takes place in a plane where there's like a fucking angel attacking it. It's awesome. Very cool. Yeah. Really good. I did enjoy that one quite a bit. I like that. in regards to an American

Werewolf in London Pat Caruso says Favorite Werewolf movie Hmm He's not wrong Well wait well let's think about that here Hold on I mean yeah

So get werewolves with Frank Grillo One of you does not like Dog Soldiers who is it Or maybe also That's my favorite I love that I love that fucking movie. Yeah, I thought it was okay.

But it's like a little of everything, man, horror, action, little comedy, that, you know, that UK comedy shit. Spoon, he's the best. Yep. I hope I give you the shit, you know, when you're going to eat it. It's the best line ever. That is a good line. He loves he gives him diarrhea. That's a good line.

What are we talking about? The best werewolf movie? Yeah. Yeah. Howling, New Moon Rising. I mean, come on. No, the marsupials. That's the marsupios is probably my favorite one.

The freaks. Freaks was pretty awesome. Those are all fine compared to what Brian's talking about. There's also, there's also Blood Moon, right? Which was written by Eric Red, I think, or directed by, you know, he's a pretty good writer. Okay. So I don't know if you guys seen that one. That was, it's got its following.

But I would have to go with dog soldiers. That's my point. Okay. There's dirt and a chili, pappy. On to demons. Andrew David says watching it right now. What is demons? Oh, my God.

That's an awesome fucking movie, by the way. Yeah, in the movie theater, right? They all turn into demons. Oh, okay. I think paper was with us. Yes, I got it. I told me that one. That was like, what was my pick?

Did I miss it? Last from the past. There you go. I got to. I chose demons and night of the demons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good picks. No holds bar.

And no holds bar. Oh, no. Oh, no. I love that movie. Our theme will remember that. But yeah, demons is a good film to have, like, if you're having like a little kickback apart in the background, it's, it always gets over with people. Just so fucking absurd and outrageous.

But, yeah. Yeah, it's a great movie. Yeah, I just didn't click. Uh, in regards to death becomes her. Uh, Joseph, uh, Rokamora says one of the funniest dark films ever. I don't get tired of watching it. I think I've only seen this once when it first came out. Yeah.

I mean, I've seen it several times. Yeah, I've seen it several times. It's pretty, I don't know, man. It's like, starts out as a comedy and then it gets like really dark in places. So, and then it ends up kind of a high note, you know, with, uh, Bruce Willis. I was good to say rest in peace but he's still alive. He's just Yeah, but I mean

Yeah, you could say that I guess All right And let's see In regards to terrifying Terrifier 4 revealing arts origin David Riva Rogers says Yeah So let's go for it

There's people that are mixed on that one There's people that are mixed on that one People want his origin and people don't want his origin I'm a little mixed on it myself It's gonna, because he's kind of, I mean, I'm sure he already is, but more and more and more, he's becoming the, like the modern Freddie, you know, where you're kind of rooting for him the entire movie now. Yeah. Oh, sure. The one-liners.

Yeah, so, except he doesn't talk, so that's different. But, um. Well, he's got the little win-liners with his horn that he honks. There you go. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Flower, eye glasses. But, but, but yeah, and adding an origin story to him or whatever, it's just going to cement that, you know, because people are going to get to.

to know him better and cheer for him even more. But maybe that's what they want. You know, that's where the merchandise is at. So it's good business, I guess. That makes perfect sense. Hopefully they do it justice, though. Like, this seems like an easy thing to fuck up. Yeah.

I'm going to find out. I think it has to blow people away this first 15 minutes. Yeah, we'll see. That's it for listener feedback this week. All of our new logos and intro come from Steve right here. Thank you, Steve. Original skull artwork from Natsulani. And if you'd like to help us out,

please consider becoming a Patreon patron. We'll let you pick the movies for a future show at any amount. And for $5 or more a month, also pick a commentary for a future bonus show. All right, on to featured attractions, a dark song and bring her back. Get some weird fucking movies this week, boys. Yes, we do.

We'll start with a dark song from 2016. a determined young woman and a damaged occultist risk their lives and souls to perform a dangerous ritual that will grant them what they want. Director and writer is Liam Gavin also known for the haunting of Blair Manor.

Whoa, okay. Yeah, good stuff. The ritual performed in the movie is the a Bremen-Operation. Sure. An occult writer. attempted by Gnostics such as

Alistair Crowley. I just listened to a podcast on that guy. I'm sure you did, Philip. The ritual is meant to obtain the knowledge and conversation of the ritualist guardian angel. And if it was really based on Alistair Crowley,

it should have definitely had some sex rituals in there. That dude was fucking wild. Well, it kind of did. Yeah, except it didn't have to do with anything. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Are you feeling horny?

Probably not. Fucking weird. Pedro, you want to start us off? Yeah, I saw this one when I first came out. I didn't have time to watch it again. But I remember enough of it to like, you know, talk about it. I remember I really, really liked it only because this, they made an entire movie of something that in other movies takes like two minutes,

you know, an entire ritual. Okay. In other films, it'll be like just, you know, know one part of the plot you know and then you get through that and then you go through whatever it is you're trying to do here the entire fucking movies about the ritual uh and and and just how these two people have different motivations for the ritual um there's a lot there there's a lot of themes in this movie you know very theme heavy movie a lot of symbolism and all that stuff uh i really enjoyed it from you know again i saw when it first came out um and and i wanted to check it out

again, but I ran out of time. I really like the performances by both of these people. And it's one of those films that you have to watch more than once. I do remember that because there's so much going on, especially in the second half, if you really want to understand what's happening. But I liked it. So, yeah, that's what I remember from it.

As you guys talk about it more, I'll remember more and more of it. So go ahead. All right. Steve, which got? Kind of almost the opposite. Yeah. I wasn't a big fan of this one. I felt like it meandered forever.

It took so long and it felt like there was almost no payoff. And then at the end, I was just like, okay, I guess. I just kind of felt like I was waiting for something to happen the whole time. Right. And then it seemed like every time something almost happened, like it didn't. It felt like Godzilla again. The first one was Cranston. Like every time something was about to happen, it would move.

to look at something else or just change the scene. So I wasn't very, very, very high on this one personally, personally. Okay. Yeah. All right. Brian? Well, I'm going to go opposite again. I agree with Pedro.

I thought it was an interesting take on the whole ritual thing because you never really see what happens. Everything is just a quick little scene here, there, a little montage. but you get to see how grueling the whole situation is and I like how it played off the fact that was it really happening or was it not did it work did it not work

and then I thought the occultist was an interesting character because he was a very flawed character as you see right before they even get into the ritual he's got the shakes already because he hasn't had a drink and he's trying to get himself right and then the scene we talked about, the non-ritualistic sex scene that he was just doing just to clear his own head,

it had nothing to do with the ritual. So a very flawed character. And then her wanting, yeah, her wanting revenge on somebody that kidnapped her child to do a ritualistic killing on him, I thought was just a crazy take on the whole situation and not wanting to raise a demon or the devil, but your guardian angel, I thought it was a different take on the whole genre. Mm-hmm.

Okay. Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Lance. No, go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, I think this is more of a metaphor of like the grieving process, right? And that was, yeah, of course. It's really what it was.

and just the forgiveness part of it because yeah, in the middle of it, she wants to actually bring up the garden angel so that the guardian angel could help her get revenge on the people that killed her son or the person or whatnot. But then towards the end, especially because the guy, the occultist,

he represents something in her as well. And then when he, because it's almost like the ritual because of what he did, he dies towards the end as well. And that kind of helps her come to terms with a lot of what she, was going through. And again, this is the movie they have to see more than once.

And to really understand what's happening. But there's a lot of shit going on in this movie. As boring as it could be, because it, you know, it does meander. And it's all, there's also budget constraints, I'm sure. It was still something that that was interesting to me. All right. Lance? Yeah. Yeah. I'm kind of, I'm kind of, I'm kind of, I'm playing pickleball from one side of the court to the other because I'm more with Steve. I was, look, dude, you guys know I love a good, I love a good slow burn. Like the early Thai West stuff, like House to the Devil, right? Because it's slow burn, slow burn, slow burn.

Scenes that you think are going to go somewhere and they really don't go somewhere. Or, of course, the masterpiece from last year, Brian, you know, where, you know, the killer is walking through the woods and then walking. Oh, get the fuck, bro. No, Jesus Christ, man. I still kind of like it. Hey, don't come over here to my side with that bullshit. That's right. Pedro didn't like that one either.

No, this, yeah, so I look, but then it'd be like, House the Devil, it just goes bad shit crazy, right? You get, you get that payoff. You get that, you know, one minute, 13 second scene of craziness. But this never paid off for me, guys. This was like slow meandering, like, you know, going through some kind of a, some kind of a slow nature walk with, with 83-year-old. old Pete Bird botchers or something like that. In Violent Nature? I'm talking about a dark song.

I'm talking about a dark song. And yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. They put some characterization. You know, I mean, look, dude, if this guy that she hired had been, let's face it, if he had been like Dr. Strange, you know, this movie would have been over in 33 seconds, right? He would have gotten her right there. She would have gotten her wish and boom. But then you get to this stupid scene where she's,

She walks into a room. And it just looks like Gina Karanis in fucking armor. And then like smiles and winks at her. It's like, what was that? Was that a payoff? And then I'm confused at the end. Well, I'm sorry you didn't get a 30-minute story about a bear attack. So were they?

With the government 13 part two. At the end was, guys, was that, was the ending more, you know, more like, you know, she's letting go of her child and letting it. Or did she fucking commit sick? Or she killed the kid. Did she fucking drown the kid? And she's the one she's trying to get revenge on. Is that what it was?

Maybe a little bit of A, maybe a little bit of B. I had that thought too. I don't think she killed her kid, but I think the forgiveness is for her. Like she has to forgive herself because she was late picking him up. Yes. But I don't know who the. like so she has this like weird hallucination of some lady in a red hoodie like holding the kid down who the fuck was that

that's maybe that was her like that's what I was I was wondering about so did she kill her own kid I thought about that at the end I thought well you know that's a little better payoff for giving her you didn't see it coming huh all right well I can see both sides, but actually, yeah, I kind of really did like it. I thought it's one that it is very slow and kind of meandering. There's some cool moments, but it's a movie that sort of makes you think. I kind of like the ones with ambiguous endings like that, because I have questions too. I don't know that anybody's going to know the answer to them.

You know what I mean? I think that's just kind of how the movie is. Yeah, I think like Pedro said, this movie probably. takes more than one watch to really formulate an opinion on. Yeah. I might watch it again and might have a different take than

I did this time. Yeah, kind of like in a violent nature. And it's also like very Irish too. There's always like that Irish lore that you're supposed to explore all these fucking movies. Sure. Like I kind of didn't see a lot of it coming. Like when,

except when he was jacking off. Well, that's what I'm saying. saying when he was doing that I was like is this all just bullshit? I was it. It wasn't pee-wee that was Jackie Noff though. But I I really I really like the

you know the cultist religious horror stuff and I don't know how horror this movie was. I think it is just you know a lot of grief cycle stuff but but I enjoyed it. I thought it was pretty good. All right.

Scores. Pedro, what do you think? I'm going to go seven on 10 on this one. Okay. It was good. Steve? I'm going to give it a five. Okay.

Brian? Seven and a half. Ooh. Lance? Five. Pick a ball, guys. I think seven is a pretty solid score for this one. Okay.

There you go. Yeah. So. and nobody gave it a two you know that's true nobody gave it as a zing that's thing i actually thought it was acted really well and maybe it does it was to be to be revisited so i'm not gonna i just wasn't entertained maybe i wasn't in the right i did not watch it like you're not you're not focused on it at the bet you know i squeezed it in so it's like yeah maybe i didn't give it the quite the it's no i focused on it i didn't love something

that I noticed because this is my second time watching it. When I first watched it, it kind of made me uneasy with the atmosphere and the music. Yeah. And that really didn't hit for me the second time. So that is one.

Hmm. Well, it has sort of the same sort of feel as like one of those slow burn ghost stories in a house. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

I could see that. All right. Well, check it out if you want to, I guess. Bring her back from 2025. A brother and sister uncover a terrifying ritual at the secluded home of their new foster mother. Writer and directors are Danny and Michael Philippe, also known for Talk to Me. Sally Hawkins does her own stunts in the movie. Wow.

Oh, okay. She really, well, never mind. Oh, we're not talking of spoilers yet. I was going to say something too. All right, well, that's the only trivia we got. Pedro, you're going to start us off? Those YouTuber guys did it again, man. This is a really good film.

It's more of a thriller than it is like a horror film. I mean, it does have some of it. I kind of disagree. Okay, now that's cool. It's got some horrific elements to it. But I feel like it's more of like, I mean, it's that old, like, you know something's happening. Like, the guy that, the guy that's kind of playing us, the audience is the brother. And he's putting all the chairs together because he kind of knows what's happening and everything's unraveling.

And then the third act is just goes completely bonkers, which is great. I love the third act. But yeah, I know this movie, this movie kept me engaged the whole way. They don't give you much, which is what I like. Like, they're not, it's not like, the plot is not overly stated, you know. It's like, you're just kind of figuring shit out as your own, as you're going along. To the point where the brother has a couple things happening to him, where in the beginning, you're like, oh, that's, that's interesting. And then later on you find out what's really happening.

And it's like, wow, okay. And even then you don't really know what's happening later on. So it just, those little layers really, really, you know, resonated with me. Really love the gore in this movie. If you want your goal in a theatrical film, you're going to get it with this film. And just the characters. The characters were all very endearing, very well-ridden, I thought.

I mean, not all of them, but for the most part. And you really felt for them, you know, especially towards the end, because they did take some big swings at the end. So, yeah, so I really love this movie. I'll talk a little bit more when we're talking spoilers. But, yeah, I really enjoyed it. They didn't dethrone sinners, by the way. Senors is still my number one of the year, but it was up there for sure.

Okay. Big words. Steve? Yeah, I had a lot of fun with this one, but I'm kind of like understanding what Pedro is saying about it being more of a thriller drama. There's a lot of family stuff going on here. And I found some of the stuff that was the most terrific for me was there was one moment in particular that I found almost the most disturbing.

and it's not very gory, and we'll get into that in spoilers, but as someone that enjoys gore and enjoys the shock value stuff, there was a couple moments or even I was like, man, that is why we are lingering a long time on this. And as a parent, you know,

trauma to children is awful, awful, oftentimes a little like, you know, it just gets you a little different. So I had a lot of fun with this one. I liked it a lot. So I can't wait to get into spoilers. All right. Brian?

Okay. With a dark song, we got what goes on through the entire ritual. And bring her back. You get basically what happens after the ritual. And I like that. We didn't have to go through the ritual. This is what happens when the rituals almost were completed. And I thought Sally Hawkins.

Hawkins knocked it out the park. I thought everybody else did a fantastic job. You can basically call this family trauma the movie. And then they hit you with the gore out of nowhere. Because there was certain scenes I wasn't even expecting to even go down like that. No kidding. No kidding. And then the actual finishing of the ritual, I thought was,

kind of different, at least from my point of view. I've never heard of it having to go down like that. And we'll get into that in spoilers. But yeah, I was definitely pleasantly surprised. And this might be in my top 10. Yeah, this is the opposite of like a McCauleywood movie. They took a lot of chances. It was very different.

Yeah, and they, before we get into spoilers, I'll just say there's a lot of victims in this movie, a lot. that really that that's why it stayed with me because the script the story found a way for you to feel for pretty much everyone in this movie everyone uh especially towards the end with uh sally hawkins's performance um sure so it was i thought that was pretty original and then when we get into spoilers you know there's a there's a big difference between the macawleywood movie and this film and i and i'll you know i'll break it down when we get into spoilers but yeah it was it was a pretty goddamn good movie okay lance

I've seen a lot. I've seen a lot of horror movies. I've seen a lot of brutality. I've seen a lot of gore. Yeah, I've seen extreme movies. I've seen movies with kids in danger, but I've never in my fucking life seen anything like this movie. I mean, this, this thing hit me. When I left the theater, I could, I could, I could barely drive. I was so shaken up after seeing this. And that's a good thing. I mean, they, they did their job. And I did not. I did not expect that. So when we saw the trailer for this, I was like, okay, these guys did a great job with

talk to me. I think this is probably going to be in the run-in for one of my favorite movies. And then it started out, it kind of slow-burned, right? The first act, I mean, because you've got to meet the characters. And when they meet Sally Hawkins, it's like, there's something

off with her. She's like almost too gleeful. She's almost too eager and you know, she easily agrees to you know, to let, to let the other kids stay there and stuff like that. I'm like, okay, something's going on here that nobody, nobody's that nice, that, that eager. And then she's telling a little, you know, that little dirty joke about dropping the F bomb over and over. You know, and then they get into some, some shenanigans.

And it's like, okay, it's definitely not a very responsible, you know, parent, but there's a reason for that. And, and yeah, little stuff, and they don't explain everything. well they don't explain everything and I love that because it's like you can barely because when she's watching the videotape it's like it's like almost like watching a VHS segment you know what I'm saying like it's not real super super clear

what's happening and then you've got it all that stuff has to be earned as you're watching the movie and then yeah that third act just shoots you off into space so yeah this was I don't know if I can say masterpiece at a year that centers came out, but boy, goddamn, this was a good thing.

There's a, there's a, like, freaky tales is also up there in, like, my top 10 right now. I got to see that. I just, I just had that one become available on my, on my flex, so. I haven't seen it. I got to check that out. There's a lot of good movies

out this year, for sure. Mm-hmm. Well, this is, yeah, definitely one that's going to make a list for me, too, man. It was, uh, it, it kind of had everything. It had me glued to the freaking screen. It was, uh, it was, insane, but like in a really good way.

Kind of slow burn through the first part, but there's definitely a lot of payoff. I like the, I like the gore. I like the really creepy scenes. The stuff towards the end is nuts. I kind of want to watch it again right now. So I'm definitely like this one. There you go.

All right, let's do scores. and spoilers Pedro what do you think? For now I'm going to have to watch it again but for now let's go 8 on 10 8? I thought she said 9 No I was excited I was excited

I got you Some of the bloom is off the rose Yeah yeah a little bit Because there's something It wasn't perfect We'll get into it as well We'll get into it Yeah that's true

Steve Yeah I'm gonna Price is right it go 8.5 on this week Wow Brian Give me a nine Just the key with the theme I'm gonna go 8.75

Lance I'm sympathetic Or lower I'm sympathetic with Steve All night It seems eight and a half Eight and a half Well you fucked it up

But I'm gonna give an eight and a half too I think it was With with the caveat That I may raise it later dude I had a blast with this movie That's a good point I really want to watch it again and like pay more attention. All right.

Spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. We did really good keeping spoilers out of that first part of the talk.

Yeah. We didn't say a whole lot about it. Yeah. I liked that because when I originally, seen the trailer, I thought she had brought her dead daughter's soul back into the child. Yeah. I did

too. I like that the child was just a vessel for the demon to help bring back her daughter. It was some misdirect there. Yeah, because apparently I understand the demon is supposed to devour the body of her dead daughter.

That's why she kept her in the dead one. Oh. and she needed the blind girl. She didn't need a blind girl, but the girl that was blind, she needed her because I guess the demon was going to vomit the remains into the new body.

Oh, right. Okay. I got you. I don't think I've seen that kind of ritual done in a movie or... That was very original. Very original. Yeah, very original.

That's cool. That just clarified a lot of what happened to me because for like the first half of the movie, I thought that was like her dead husband or whatever. No, no. And one of the things too is that I disagree that the first part is, you know, kind of like nothing's happening. There's a lot of setup going on in that first act of the film. Yeah, there's a lot of setup. And, you know, it's not meandering. Like, you know, you could argue a dark song was meandering for a long time. But with this one, it's all set up, set up, set up, set up, and then you get into payout because it starts off with the dad, like, literally like just dying and it's a very horrific scene.

So off the bat, you know, you got the setup to what's going to happen. And then you have things like the brother wetting the bed, right? And that's what I was talking about earlier. Like the first time you see him wet the bed, you're making your own assumptions because you don't know what's happening. They're like, okay, he's traumatized. It's a common response to trauma. And then he wets it again.

And then you don't know what's happening. they pay it off when you see her take the piss. Then you see. And then she's growing or whatever. So that does she, does she drug him too? Because yeah, that's how the drug.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this is all set up for it for his act and for other things that are happening. It's setting up the kid, you know, who I think really when you think about it, I think is the most tragic part of this entire story is the kid

that was going to be the vessel for the demon. Because that kid has no. resolution that kid was fucked up and stayed fucked up you know and then and then you start thinking when the cop showed up they're gonna find this kid and then this kid has a family and like he got torture throughout the entire fucking movie man um and and so you're the first time is setting him up right it's like he's in the pool with the cat and so many cool things that are happening in that first act at least at least he made it outside the circle though so i think that's when the demon left him yeah yeah but what about the demons that are inside him forever for this trauma lands like

i don't well yeah you wonder about that you're a psychiatrist so yeah like excited like this is not a happy ending for this kid in any way that boy ate a dead corpse a lot of it yeah that boy ate the stairs part of a table he ate the stairs he ate his arm yeah that was fucking loud That knife scene was crazy. That knife scene was so rough. The scene that really was the worst one for me was when she walked into the room and punched that little girl while she was asleep.

Yeah. That was so. Man, oh, man. And the girl's blind so she can't see it was her. I did not expect that. You wouldn't have seen it was her either. She was asleep. Yeah, but did Sally Hawkins have,

Didn't she have like the boy's scent or something? Because she said something like I didn't, I don't know who did it, but I smelled you. I wonder. Yeah, now, who could explain that? I caught that line, but I don't know what she did to make herself smell like that. Well, I guess we're going to sleep. She was diddling him. But I guess we're supposed to assume it.

I don't know, maybe this is a stereotype or whatever. But I guess when you're blind, your other senses enhanced, you know? Yeah, like, daredevil. I don't know, I got to rewatch it. Maybe she was, maybe she was wearing something of his. That could be it. Yeah, but she popped her right in the head and high. We'll notice it on the second watching.

That was the setup for the drug and the creatine. When he wakes up the next day, she just, like, what did you do to her? Yeah. Right. And he's out. Yeah, but insidious, man. And that's, this may go higher than eight and a half. And again, like, this feels.

is just fucking with my emotions because the Sally Hawkins character is so selfish, right? And you're so pissed because you're seeing everything she's doing, but the characters don't know. So they decided to take it that route. We're ahead of the characters. So the frustration is building

on us as the viewer because we know she's getting away with all this shit, but the brother doesn't know or the sister. They don't know what's happening. So she's creating conflict with the brother and sister, but we know the truth. And then you get so pissed off. And then at the end, and the third act, like all of a sudden you feel for her

because she's like, she just wanted her kid and you start to understand what happened there. And then she doesn't do it at the end. So she kind of redeems herself in a way, I guess. But it's a great fucking movie, man, especially with that character. I really enjoy that character. Nobody

redeemed Wendy the social worker when she got destroyed by that car. So was Sadie Hopkins driving the car? Yeah. She did bounce pretty good. The reason, yeah, the reason she was sitting on the wrong side of the car is because it was in Australia. That's okay, love.

How many times did she say love? A few times, right? I'll take care of you, love. But yeah, that was her what was her plan for the, for the son at the end of the day anyway, once the shit was all down? I think she was going to blame everything on him. And then just kill him?

No, no, okay, that's the problem. That's what I have a problem with this movie, because okay, if he was, wasn't in the picture at all. She would have had an easier time with the ritual, but she allowed him to come. Because remember, when they first get adopted or foster or whatever, he's supposed to live by himself. That was the agreement.

Yeah, that was her original plan. She could have just said no. Yeah, she could have said no. Well, I think she didn't want to disappoint the little girl, though. But doesn't matter because she was going to kill the little girl. She's trying to get. Like, it doesn't matter. You know, it's like she told her, I'm going to go drown you and kill you now.

Like she literally just straight out told her. that like matter of fact she had it all played out she's like okay so I need another little girl holy shit one just fell into my lap who's blind right but the fucking brother and then she could have just said no I don't want this fucking guy here you know I did I miss something did was Sally Hawkins character

responsible for the father's death in order to set all this up no is there a little where maybe she was because like I mean maybe now that you mention she's like anything's possible she's like oh well I need this little girl so if I out if the dad goes away then I can say I'll adopt him or whatever I mean there's okay I guess there is you could connect them but I don't

think that was the intent I don't think so anyway we gotta watch yeah like like my like my midsummer theory that that the deaths weren't suicides that they were caused by the cold and yeah there were some hereditary the dad just you just see a naked naked with vomit all over I'm like

well yeah there was there was dong and everything man which is rare you know but they show the whole so did she drug him did she drug him then no I think I did I think that's possible I don't think the dad was working out I don't know

I don't see her walking in the shower you know maybe she has a dead body in a freezer and has a little demon boy eating it like I can see her walking in the shower and the only connection she has

to the kids is because they become foster kids and she worked at the She found the file because she worked there And then all of a sudden she just So see me I was going under the assumption for some reason for the whole movie That like she was there aunt or something

No you know what was That would have been interesting The boy went to go to a social worker To complain about her and they're like She couldn't have done that And they were like did you do a background check And they were like we didn't have to She's worked here for 20 years

I just assumed she was still like That was a love lady It just assumed. I made an assumption that I shouldn't. Well, that's kind of why this movie's cool, though, because they don't, they don't spell everything out for you. You kind of have to talk about it. The movie worked for me. But it heard of the ANT, I was like, yeah, that's fine. One of the cool things that I like about this movie, because McColliwood would have told us this in a second.

First of all, we never find out how the fuck she even found this fucking demon. She just knew him. Like when the movie starred, she's just already like, you know. And then she thinks it's like some, like, angel or something. And that's really, when she tells us that she found a beautiful angel to help her get her daughter, that is the first time that we as the audience find out that that's a little demon. And in the entire movie, we don't have that information. I thought that was awesome like that. That was a great line because it's just another layer to the story that's being revealed to us for the first time, you know?

But yeah, but I like that. I also like if this was McCauleywood that the brother would have all of a sudden gotten up and be like, oh, oh, like he would have. spit water out of his mouth like they always and then the blind sister would have like pat up like hit him in the back so he could do the more oh thank you says we gotta get this lady and then they would have gone on and fucking killed both of them would have killed her or some shit but not in this movie the guy that essentially our

protagonist the guy that we've been following the whole movie he fucking just bites it like when he's almost there man and then that's it just right it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's I work so much better in this movie than glass. Oh, God. Oh, it's like it's like it's a live and die in L.A. moment.

You guys remember that one? Yeah, yeah. Got blown away in the dressing room. Well, but here she pushes his head down. I'm like, oh, he's fucked. Like in glass, I'm like, get up. But here. You know what was inferior writing about that?

That happened to Bruce Willis' character by a random security guard. Yeah, yeah, superpowers. That's the thing that's like he was a strong. He was like Superman actually. That was his game right. But he was afraid of water. All right. Give him an arc then.

God damn. I should have had Russell Crowe, huh? You know, remember that whole thing about movies where the characters face their fears and shit? No, we're just going to forget about that for as a whole character. Cool. Yeah, but this is all right. Sorry.

Sorry. We're not. Tyrate on glass. I was so excited for that movie. I know, man. Yeah, it was not exciting. The point is that the brother didn't make it out of this one. You know, the brother didn't make it.

She was an awesome shot. I did not expect that. What a great dummy shot when she drove into that lady in the yellow coat or whatever. That was such an awesome dummy shot. Just wham! Oh, my God. Yeah, that was one of those moments where I was like, oh. Yeah, because we're.

Because we're trying to think that, okay, the old lady's going to bite it right there because that happens in every movie you watch. But somehow the brother is going to run away. Like he just got like dented a little bit. No, she took both of them out and he was done too. Like so I was like, oh shit, that's pretty cool, you know. He didn't just get. Yeah, the way they cut it. The way they cut that scene, it seemed like he dove out of the way right before she got there.

Yeah. I was wondering if he got hit. But no. And I also like, I also like that. once the lady found out the the i would take care of you love that lady um like the the the the script didn't call for her to get distracted and because usually it's too early in the movie to hit that that kind of you know to accelerate that far with the with the villain or whatever right so but no once she found out like like sally hawkins had to do something because now she knows and i love

that part too because usually uh that lady would have been distracted or she would have died before she found out whatever whatever but i like how it was like now now laura I think her name was Laura. She had to do something to counteract that discovery. That was pretty cool. Yeah. I was kind of cool that he, like, I mean, it sucked that he died, but it added to the story, I thought. It did.

Yeah, it did. It was definitely a turn that I didn't see coming. Yeah, because there's no happy ending here. Even after this entire, even the sister's going to be fucked up. Trauma. Trauma for years, huh? Yeah. That's what I kept thinking, man.

That little kid. A job security for me. That's what I got to say about that shit. That little kid is going to be fucked up forever. Yeah, poor kid. Brian, do you get anything to have? No, that's it. All right.

Well, thanks for coming by, guys. This was a good one. Yeah. It's going to be a tough year. I haven't seen really anything I've put in a bottom 10 yet. So I guess I got to watch a bunch of shitty. Black phone, too, will be your bottom 10, even though it is a good. There you go.

Yes, yes, okay. It'll be in everybody's top ten, but it'll be in your bottom ten. It'll be this year's nice way on baseball. Nobody brought that up, but you. All right. I know. I got to. Before we get out of here, I guess the next one that I'm really hyped up about would be like weapons.

I'm really looking forward to that movie. Yeah. No. Which one? What do you say? Yeah. No, I said, no kidding. Yeah.

yeah definitely excited about weapons i mean heather's picked three movies out for us to cover in a couple of weeks i'm excited about are you in a universe stuff that's all right she needs some works of art right that's a certain people is that the mickey mouse one great as always we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns we'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can reach us at Thehorror Returns at gmail.com or just go to Thehorterms.com and follow all our links from there. Next week, it's Shark Week.

As we hope to be joined, we don't know for sure because it's Australia, but we hope to be joined by Tim from Dummies of Horror. No, if I could say it. Horror for Dummies. I can still say it. I'm not going to get sued. I'm on a different podcast. So we're going to check up Shark Night and the brand new dangerous animals.

That looked pretty good. You saw that, Pedro, didn't you? The trailer for dangerous animals. Yeah, I'm excited because before you got on the air, we were talking about how, like, I still have the AMC car, and there's a lot of shit to watch right now. Right. So I was going to keep you busy for a minute.

Yeah. And now they changed the plan. I don't know if you looked into Atlanta, that now the three a week is gone. Now here in LA, it's $27. and you get to watch four films per week. Okay, yeah. And you don't have an option.

That's the lowest tier plan now. I understand. At the theater here that I can walk to for my house, I do get a senior discount. So it's six bucks a movie. And on $2.65, you know, so. All right, so yeah, you don't need it then. All right.

So until the horror returns again, Steve. Good night. Thank you.