The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #473: Heather Powell’s Patreon Picks - Winnie-The-Pooh: Blood And Honey (2023), Winnie-The-Pooh: Blood And Honey II (2024) & Peter Pan's Neverland Nightmare (2025)

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

We honor our patron Heather Powell this week with a visit into the Twisted Childhood Universe. Cool of the week includes White Water Summer, Law and Order: Organized Crime, and Sinners. Trailer is Please Don't Feed the Children. The podcast spotlight shines on Static Screams. And we get feedback from Drumdums, Jenn Nangle, Russell A Calhoun, Jeff Bailey, Gary "The Goyne" Murphy, Eddie Vastag, Whitney Splitt, and David Barta. Thanks for listening! (SPECIAL NOTE: Although Peter Pan's Neverland Nightmare is a 2025 film, we do not give a spoiler alert. Please be aware of this before listening this week). The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Regings victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware, this podcast contains major plot spoilers, and the foulest, of language join us in celebrating the old and the new the best and the worst in horror welcome back everyone to the horror returns ah what a treat we have for you tonight this is lance this is brian and this is philip and we are paying homage our i don't know honoring our patron what would you what would you say brian what's the correct terminology there.

For filling our promise. I thought we were like presenting a fucking new band name or something. That was kind of awesome. We could do that. I was kind of, are we not the horror returns? No one? Yeah, that was awesome.

Did we rebrand? You've definitely found the horror returns. That's for sure. And we are. The horror our returns. Yeah, Heather, Heather Powell, our patron,

our neighbor, our neighbor to the north. not as far north as you, Brian, I don't think. But our Canadian, our Canadian neighbor, Heather Powell, she picked three films for us to watch, and everybody, if you followed the podcast, you know the rules, we have to cover them. Whether we like it or not,

and some of us may like it and some of us may not, but we got to do it. Whether it be rom-com, I think we may draw the line at porn parody. What do y'all think? That's a different show. I mean, I, Dems the rules.

I mean, yeah, but that might be a Patreon exclusive. Oh, okay. Patreon after dark. Can't put that one up on YouTube. All right. Well, we're pleased to present Heather's picks. We've got, we step into the Puneverse. Or actually, Brian corrected me.

It's the twisted childhood. What was it again? Is that, am I close? The twisted childhood universe. Okay. I got corrected. The Pooniverse apparently is like their Avengers style. Everybody comes together finale.

That is not going to be good. The Pooniverse. We're just talking about porn, so. There you go. All right. Well, we got Winnie the Poo, Blood and Honey. We need a poop blood and honey, too. Well, that changes things a lot if you're putting that in the Pooniverse.

And Peter Pitts, Neverland Nightmare. So without further ado, we have a lot to cover tonight. You guys ready for Cool of the Week? Do you guys, does everybody have a Cool of the Week? I will jump in because I was telling Phil. I don't know if I had one, but one popped in my head. All right. Me and my.

I have these little movie marathons, with my daughter. Like, I just show her, like, random 80s movies, like ones that people don't really talk about.

And one I came across was on Tooby, and it was, uh, what's it called? Uh, White Water Summer, starring,

uh, Kevin Bacon and Sean Asson. Yeah, saw you were watching that. Yeah. That's a fun one. Yeah. I've seen that in a long time.

Not as I remembered. It's been probably, probably over, 30 years since I've seen it. Holy, how old does that make you feel? It's my birthday today. I just turned 45.

There you go. Oh, nice. All right, I thought you were like 22, man. You're fooling us all, Brian. You're only as old as you feel. 22 at heart. All right, 22 at heart. Yeah, Whitewater Summer. It's a fun watch, but I just remember

Kevin Bacon being a lot more kind of sinister you know because he takes he takes these kids out he has he has this program where he takes kids out into the wilderness right does the whole living off the land and showing them how to

survive out there and I just remember him being a little bit more hardcore are you sure you're not thinking of the river wild like he was an actual straight up villain that one was that one was like

pretty hardcore where he was like literally a murderer on the lamb or something like that. Yeah. You know what? That might be the one I'm thinking of because this one he would, I mean, he flips out from time to time and he does some shit that if my kid told me he did

that on a camping trip I'd do things I can't even say on the air. Put a foot up his ass. So it's still a fun watch though. and you got Sean Ashton he had to have been

probably about 12 years old making this and the rest of the kids were kind of like kids you don't know their names but you've probably seen them in other 80s things damn Sean Ashton's been in the game a while huh?

Yes so that's pretty much all I got all I got all right well I'll jump in on another non-horror Well, yours is probably More horror I've been stuck on

I can't stop watching it It's the new law and order One with with Detective Stabler It's organized crime Organized crime Organized crime I've been wanting to check that one out The organized crime thing

Peaks my interest It's not bad man I'm kind of loving it It's a lot It's a lot more law It's a lot more action And a less like law you know what I mean

because you know typically in law and order they sort of split it up between you know like trying to solve the case and then and then going to trial with it and this one is a whole lot of just detective stabler being a badass

and I goes undercover a couple of times I'm kind of loving it so far okay is it new like in the first season Phil I think it's It's got like five or six seasons out now, but it started in like 2019. And so they started out with like the organized crime guys or stealing COVID vaccines to sell them on the black market.

Oh, there you go. There you go. And, you know, they weasel in a little bit of woke shit. But aside from that, well, it's network TV. What are you going to do? but uh but yeah man it's it's keeping me pretty interested like stabler in this is like a like an old school 80s action hero right like he's got this just moral compass and and and he like arnold faced yeah like he's he's faced all the time with these decisions of you know

do i do the right thing or do i do the you know like i don't want to betray my friend but that's the right thing to do. So that's what he does, kind of a thing. You know what I mean? It's sort of, because, you know, undercover, you, you, you gain a lot of relationships with a lot of these bad guys, but. Sure. Yeah, like, yeah, like, yeah, the dilemma, the, the conundrum, right?

Yeah, so I, I haven't been excited about a law and order thing in a while, but I used to love the old school SVU episodes. with him in it. And... Special victims unit. Yeah. I had to stop watching that. It was just rape and molestation

every other episode. Speaking of a fan. No, but yeah. And I like that stuff, man. Put away the real bad guys, right? Sure. Now, the real issue is the sentences for those fucking people,

because they're always right back out on the street. Yeah. There's your fucking, somebody looking at that conspiracy. Hmm. I don't think I want to. I think they keep letting like rapists and child predators and shit out. I'm going to leave that research up to you guys. I'm out.

Because they're all on Epstein's list. All right, Elon. Allegedly, allegedly. Allegedly. All right, but that's all I got this week. Is that it? Yeah, man, I've been, like, stuck on it. That and, like, trash TV, Love Island.

I'm watching with my wife, and I'm ashamed to admit how much I love it. Hey, there's some hot chicks on there, I would imagine. Oh, there is. They got asses hanging out and crazy women. It's okay. There's a whole lot of trash talking, and it gets funny. I can imagine. I can imagine.

All right, for the first time in a while, guys, I've got a not so cool of the week and a cool of the week. So we'll, and the seven-year-old, because I got the seven-year-old and 15-year-old granddaughter is visiting. So the seven-year-old, she's going to be a pretty damn good, we got to get her into the podcast at some point. Is she seven years old? Holy shit, man. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think she's seven. I think she's got pretty good-tasted movies, or at least I agreed with her on both of the, So she said,

Papal, let's see a scary movie. And so like a dummy, I'm like, let me give her something super mild and milk toast. So we put on the, we saw the trailer for this guys. Oh, I don't know, maybe six or seven months ago. The one with Mel Gibson in it,

Monster Summer. You guys remember this one? Yeah. Monster Summer. What is it going on? It's like a kid's on bike movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I thought she liked it, right?

Seven-year-old, you know, she'd aspire to be one of these teenagers. And like 30 minutes into this, and she says, Papo, when something going to happen? I said, well, you know, just stick with the story, let it unfold and whatnot. She said, Papua, that's the guy from the baseball movie that Mommy likes to watch. And I'm like, yep, that's the, you're killing me Smalls kid from the Sandlot. That's him. I thought, okay, well, that's going to be a cameo.

That's cute. Yeah, that was a nice little cameo. He, like, played the umpire at the baseball game, Littly game. I thought, okay, cool. So we're done with him. We aren't done with him. This movie was so fucking stupid that there's this witch, you know, that's terrorizing the teenagers. And at the end, big spoiler alert, it's over a year old, I think.

Can I say it, Brian, or do I need to keep him? Came about last year. Dude, they fucking over did it with this killing me small as kid, redhead kid. He looks exactly the same. That movie was what, at least 25, 30 years ago? Exactly the same baby face and all that, and he's this fucking molesting witch.

He's trying to pull all these kids. He's a molesting witch? I think so. You think so. It was one of the worst movie. he's Brian. I mean, dude, this is a one. This was terrible, dude.

He kidnapped kids. Maybe he was going to cook them. All right. Hansel and Gretel style? Really bad. The 70-year-old called it out. She said, Pepo, you got to show me something good. That was trash. It's hard

with little ones, man, because, like, like they don't get like the slow burn stuff yet. Because like my daughter went through that phase where she was like, I want to see something really scary and I'm like, oh yeah. Because I showed her like three or four movies and she was like, that's not scary. And I'm like,

they're going to show you the exorcist. Oh yeah. And I did and she didn't get it. Oh, she didn't get the exorcist. Yeah, because they don't really understand like the nuance of stuff at that point. So, yeah.

So she wanted like, terrifier or something, right? Yeah, she loves Terrifier. She actually asked me to watch Terrifier earlier today. Oh, the heart. He's so fun. Yeah. That's a good one. And then the second

not the Conjuring, the Annabelle, the second Annabelle movie. Yeah, the one where the kid gets run over at the beginning. Yeah, she liked that one a lot. I can see that. That one's got a really creepy atmosphere. It's good.

It's a shit movie, but it's really... That's the best of them. Yeah, absolutely. But it's really entertaining and they keep it rolling. So they don't let you chill for a minute. Well, luckily, I redeem myself because right after that, I found her sweet spot. I put on... And for me, it was a rewatch, but I put on Cinners.

And she was fucking mesmerized from the beginning. Dude, that's a good movie. The more I think about that one, the more I like it. Yeah, so I redeemed myself with a girl. It's a little adult for her, don't you think? That's what I thought. And she loved it. And I look at her and I'm like, you didn't like the kids on bikes movie, but you like this?

Really? She says, Papa, I like quality movies. I can't argue with you there. She's going to be a smart and smart kid, man. So, yeah, I'll pick a rewatch for Cool of the Week. Or a serial killer. So we're rounded out. We're rounded out.

Brian, do we have any horror head? lines this week. We got a few. We've been talking about the Mike Flanagan-Carrie series. It has officially begun filming. So they are moving fast on this one.

So much rather if he did the Dark Tower, but you know. There was an update on that. He is working on it, but he said it takes a lot of time. It's not something that he wants to just rush out there. And he's

working closely with the King on that one. Okay. Right now, as long as Mike Flanagan keeps working, I'm happy. I mean, I don't think he's coming out with anything shitty, has he? No.

You guys seen Life of Chuck yet? I had seen the trailer and I'm just not interested. Yeah. I talked to a buddy today that went and saw it a couple of days ago, he said it's fucking phenomenal. Really, really good. Get it? So, yeah. I'm in.

I mean, I love the book, so He said it veers off from the book a little bit, which you're always going to get in a movie, but he says it stays close enough to it that it keeps the spirit of it. So, you know, Flanagan and King, I guess. Match bait in heaven, right? Dude, that's the guy you want to attach your fucking boat to.

Do you think he can turn around to Exorcist franchise? Yeah. Because that was in the news, too. It's not going to make its release date. I think January. Okay. Because he's working on all this Stephen King stuff. He says he's still doing the new Exorcist movie, but it will not be ready.

Which I'm fine with. If it's not ready, don't rush anything, especially if you're coming up with a new original story for it. Has Flanagan done any movies? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he did. Hush. Yeah, Hush was one of the first ones, right?

Yeah. What was the one with the... I think I'd rather... Gerald's game. He did Gerald's game. Right. Okay. I think I'd rather see him sit on a series, man, because those are way more impactful for me. Like, he has time to flesh out stuff.

Oh, I'm getting excited for Carrie. Yeah. He's going to delve more into the book and... he made it clear it's not a adaptation of the movie, it's an adaptation of the book, so he's not remaking the movie. Nice. Yeah, we're all in, I think.

Everybody loves some dirty pillows. Is it going to be on Netflix, or do we know yet? Oh, Amazon. He's got that deal with Amazon. Oh, that's right. He switched over to the dark side. Okay, Bezos. He-he-he-he-he.

It's the most Lex Luthor looking motherfucker I've ever seen in my life. No doubt. No doubt. He could pull it off. Let's see. It'll be just an eternal evil techno villain battle between Elon and Jeff Bezos. Oh, my God. Silent Night Deadly Night remake is hitting theaters this December.

Oh, wow. It will be unraised. Same company that's putting out the toxic Avenger and terror fire movie Cineiverse. Looks like they're keeping up

with their theme of putting things out unrated. I like that. Not matter at all. And return to Silent Hill finally gets a release date. It's coming out January

of next year in theaters. Hmm. Which this has been done in film. And it's been done in film for I think over a year now.

Not interested, but you guys... When's the last time there was a Silent Hill game? Didn't they just put one out? Silent Hill F or something? I have no idea. I'm totally disconnected from that world at this point, but, uh, all right. Well, yeah, I mean, if it's, if it's still a...

It's supposed, it's the guy that made the first movie, I guess it's disregarding the sequel on this. is a sequel to the first movie. Okay. I kind of got to go back and watch the first ones. Which was, first one was pretty good. Yeah. I liked it.

The second one, not so much. Dude, the games were so impactful. Like, that was it. The first, the first Silent Hill game just off the fucking jump.

You're just in this mist, and it's creepy as hell. Yeah, there's a new game. I don't know if it came out or if it's coming out. It's called Silent Hill F. Okay. And I think they've been doing the remaster things with the older ones. Oh, very cool.

And I'm checking here. I don't think there's anything else that's been happening. Silent Hill F. So, Sinners is now the biggest original Hollywood movie since inception. Okay. The biggest original Hollywood. Is that just, what does that mean? What does that mean?

Is that just... I don't know what that means. A movie that's not a fucking remake? What? Seriously? That's what it's saying. Since inception, that was a while ago. Holy shit.

Cougler's going to be getting some big fucking offers, man. I don't know what he's going to do next. I hope he does not lose his style. Well, I like him. The whole Warner Brothers wanted to do a... sequel and then he's just kind of like I did that with Black Panther. I'm not trying to get into the franchise game. Good idea.

Which worries me. Which worries me. I can see Warner Brothers doing a single sequel with a different director. Yeah. I, yeah. Well, we were talking about it. I think we all agreed we wouldn't mind seeing a series, right? If it was done right.

If it was like the Mike Lannigan series. Flanagan takes on Sitter. That dude's already got such a full plate, man. Y'all quit it. He needs to do the Dark Tower. Stop it. Dude, that'd be cool. I'll watch a Mike Flanagan Dark Tower.

I think we talked about the American Psycho remake and Austin Butler. Yes. Elvis himself. Now there's reports that he might not be in the, movie. Okay. He just did drugs

with the guys that were there beside him. I'm seeing a story here that Patrick Schwarzenegger is up for the role. He'd be perfect for that role, actually. I heard, I haven't seen it, but I heard he's duchiness. I haven't heard.

I haven't seen it, but I heard he's really good in the White Lotus, the new season. You haven't seen the White Lotus, Brian? I've seen season one. Dude, this, I've seen them all and this is far in a way the best season.

Is that Schwarzenegger's kid? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. The douche. The one that's always trying to get with, get with a Walton Goggins chick. Yeah, it's fucking weird, man.

I don't like that guy. It's super weird. That was, you know, that was the character he was playing. So hopefully he's not that douchy in real life. But, hey, but would he not? If he's not, he's a great actor.

Would he not be good in American Psycho? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, perfect. He was good in that one movie about the imaginary friend. What was it? Daniel isn't real. I never saw that. Yeah, he was pretty good in that one.

I don't know if I did either. I'd have to go back and check that out. I think he's got some acting chops. And I've read a story how he's been really trying to make it without, you know, assistance from his father or anything. Of course, he's going to get stuff off the name. Yeah, but I mean, the fact that he's out there trying to fly on his own is pretty cool. I like it.

That is cool, yeah. Brian, are we going to, for 31 days, are we going to do all 2025 only this year? Like we've done the last couple? I don't know. I think life happened last year, and it was just kind of, it was kind of, it was kind of, hard finding 2025 movie or 24 last year. Whatever. All right.

Well, then I'll check out that Daniel isn't real. I'll add that to my 31 then. Okay. It was a good idea while it lasted, but it's hard. And I think, well, we can finish off with the Robert Eggers next movie. It's going to be, I guess, a scary version of a Christmas carol. Of course. How stodgy and old-fashioned can we fucking get?

Yeah, but I'm not an Eggers fan, dude. And reportedly, he's looking his top choice for the starring role is Willem Defoe. Of course. Okay. I could see that. I don't hate it. I mean, I like The Witch, and I don't know if I've liked a single movie he's done after that. I like the North

Lighthouse Yeah that was a good one I hated the Lighthouse Yeah okay I didn't care for it either A lot of people love it You know I think I started watching it And I was like I can't do this right now Right

Turn it off You gotta be in a mood right Yeah Well I think that is all the news All right That means boys We know what time it is Come on down here with me in Florida

because we're about to go down to the trailer park. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first new trailer tonight, Brian? Our first and only trailer this week is, please don't feed the children, the Tooby original movie. Now, I had to look to see if this was made by Tooby

or this was purchased by Tooby. This was purchased by Tooby. Okay. Well, that makes sense. how are they making money? Ads. This is directed by Destry Alan Spielberg

daughter of Stephen Spielberg. I was wondering. And this stars Gene Carlo Esposito and Michelle Godfrey. All right. What do you mean, of course? That needs an everything, dude. But one thing's for sure, if he shows up in a Tooby original movie,

Tubey's made it. They're official. They're in a blockbuster territory if they've got Gus Fring in there, right? Yeah, I'm going to read the synopsis. A gang of orphans travels to the South and a quest for new life after a viral outbreak decimates the adult population of the, the adult population of the nation, only to find themselves at the mercy of a psychotic woman who was hiding a perilous secret. Ain't dead life. I mean, I'm interested, but watching the trailer, it just kind of

the premise kind of seemed familiar. Like, what was that one? Flowers in the attic, the book series that everybody was reading in the 80s and 90s? That movie's sad, but I was talking about the whole viral outbreak. Okay, yeah. Yeah, we've had one or two of those.

There was a movie where a viral outbreak wiped out most of the adults and there was just children left. Was that that one with a big zombie tree in it? Like where the pollen from the tree was making everybody was giving them the virus. I can't remember what it was called.

The little girl, the girl who walked through walls or my memory is failing me, guys, but I don't know if that's the one you're... But it's, sounds totally legit. There's a hundred billion of them that sound just like that. I can't think of any of their names, but I bet you that's one.

But what did you guys think? I mean, I like it looks interesting. I mean, it didn't like really grab me, but I'll definitely watch it. Like, it doesn't look like shit. But it did look very generic, you know. Did it? See, it kind of, it kind of drew me in. I kind of thought it looks interesting.

But I'm saying like it seems like it's got the same plot as 100 other movies. None of which names I can think of. Just depends on how well it's done, right? So basically they're like survivors and how, I don't know how she survives. If she's an adult, I guess maybe she's immune or it doesn't take every adult out. Yeah, judging by the trailer, I guess this seems to be some kind of law. like you're not allowed to take in any children. I'm the law.

Judge Dr. All right, sorry. I don't know. I'm in. I'm in. It looks interesting to me. You know, she looks pretty, I don't want to say molester, because that's turned it into the theme of the night.

We don't want that. But she definitely looks like she's got some mental illness going, for sure. Trying to see what else is she direct? She has directed three other things. Is it zombies? It almost looks like zombies. I don't know. Hard to tell.

I can't think of the movie I saw. I remember one of the kids was living at an amusement park and like fortified it. Because there's like gangs of other kids that... Yeah, that sounds like a book series that... I think the movie I was talking about was... it was based off a book. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.

And my son's partner read it, and he said it was pretty good, but he was, like, super addicted to the books. But I think tried the movie and was like, eh, didn't hold up. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know either.

It must have been good. I can't even remember the name. But please don't feed the children. It's to be... Please don't feed the children. Next. Please, sir. May I have some more?

I like the name of it, and it seems cool for a to be original. I mean, like, that's that quality stuff. Yeah, it's free. There's a fucking business model. You sell advertising, and you don't charge the customers. Instead of charging the customers and advertising at the same time. Yeah, I never got that. That's just a bullshit.

If I'm paying for a subscription, get your commercials out of my shit. You can pay less. to have ads. Yeah. I'll pay nothing to have ads. Exactly. Yeah. That's how it used to work until

CBS All Access. All you need is internet connection. You're still got to have something. Yeah. I say Starlink for all. Come on, Elon. Get us hooked up. All right.

Please don't hit, feed the children hits 2E on June 27th. Don't need them either. Crazy heartburn. And that is it. All right. On to listener feedback. This week, we shine the podcast spotlight on Static Screams.

Static Screams is described as a weekly podcast that reviews each episode of the underappreciated and barely seen 80s horror anthology TV show, Static Screams. What? I don't know. I didn't know that was a thing. It's a podcast spotlighted by the Horror Returns podcast that description is from Google AI. So cool to see us in there. Really? Yep.

Pretty cool, huh? All right. Well, maybe part of the reason it's confusing is because of AI. And I believe they just put out their first episode, so they are a brand new podcast. Static Screams. That's the name of the series that they talk about. Go get them. I've never seen that series.

or heard of it. But it's cool. I haven't either, man. We showed up in the AI thing. All right. Let's see. And some horror returns stuff with drum drum drums and Jen Nangle.

So hot. They both says it's probably an automated thing, but whatever. They're both on a streak because they've been top fans for seven months in a row. So appreciate it. Cool. Appreciate that booty gen nangling. Blumhouse is taking over saw, and Russell Calhoun says,

I'm more interested in who won the rights to Texas chainsaw massacre. Yeah, okay. I was going to bring this up in horror headlines, but I was waiting for this. I'll talk about it after this next comment because I don't agree with it. this next comment.

All right. Yeah, because I was waiting to weigh in. Jeff Bailey says that Lee Wannell and James Wan should never have given the rights to Blumhouse in the first place. They should have kept the rights and done the sequels themselves.

Then the Saw movies would have been better than what Blumhouse has made them. Okay. Now, my problems with this, okay, it's official Blumhouse have purchased the rights from twisted pictures, not James Wan and Lee Wynel.

they didn't have the rights. Oh. That makes sense. With this new deal, they are now coming back to the Saw franchise to work on it, new movies. Oh. So the original writer and director are coming back. So I think that's going to be a good move.

Yeah. I think that might be a good thing. Blumhouse has not made a bad Saw movie because they have not made any Saw movie. What did they make? There you go. nothing imaginary and but three again

that's what they're going and less we forget guys no I forgot you didn't forget night swim come on oh nice swim what the fuck are we talking about but I am confident

that hopefully Juan is coming back as a director yeah not a Purdue if he comes back to direct and then Lee Wunnell's coming back as a writer. Yeah. You got something. Dude, James Juan

could really fucking cement his name in history if he just like busts his ass for a little bit longer. I mean, what was the last thing if I could have produced? Producing, yeah. What was the last thing he directed? Malignant? What was that during the

pandemic? That was pretty good, actually. Fucking Aquaman movies. Did he do the same? Oh, no. You're right. Yeah, because But I think he had to. I think it was a contractual. That was some bullshit. I was like, why is James Wan directing this? That might have,

that might have broken him, guys. I think I read, I think I read he wanted to do the first one. And then he got contractually obligated to do the second one. Didn't, didn't know what he was getting into, did he? That's what, that's what happens.

Yeah. They'll give you a little taste. Now you're stuck. I was waiting for this comment because I didn't understand how they made a bad saw movie when they didn't make any saw movies. Well, good point. And I am very interested in who wins the right place. I am very interested in who wins the right to Texas Chainsaw Masker. Yeah, with all those names we talked about that are putting in bids.

Yeah, who was it? Jordan Peel. out the spot. Jordan Peele. It was 824. Osgood Perkins. Yeah. That's right.

That's right. J.T. Molner, who did that strange darling movie last year. Yep. And then like somebody from neon. Oh, I think of me knows out. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably

makes sense. That's probably who was rep in neon. We could have a really fucking good Texas Chainsaw Masker movie coming up. And I would really love to be in those pitch meetings just here what these because they're probably

ideas, all kinds of different concepts, ideas. Yeah. Probably little, little pieces of scripts that were written. Run wild with it.

Do something crazy. There's nowhere to go with it up. Man. I think I think I've got a good idea, guys. Bring back Matthew McConaughey with the fucked up leg. I love it.

We got to do a commentary on that movie. That movie is. say when I kind of like it because you write the schedule it's so weird and wacky

let's do it we get Sean on with us and who else Tavares we haven't had Tavarous on in a while man let's let's do it let's do it

all right and in regards to the Exorcist franchise Gary the going Murphy says three is crap I disagree

a lot of people disagree and it's not my favorite for sure it's a kind of a cult cult favorite Brian would you say yeah yeah it's definitely the best at all the sequels

right yeah when you're talking about all the see there's like the Exorcist and then there's just a bunch of sequels yeah it's a lot better it's a lot better than the Pineapple Express version of Halloween that's for sure or the

Pineapple Express versus the Exorcists. They did that one too, didn't they? I was like, it's better than Pineapple Express. That is not a true statement. Yeah, well, they need to stick with comedy then, right? All right. And the Horror Virgin's review of Friday the 13th. Eddie Vastag says,

There he is. Oh, your post makes no sense. And if you didn't like it, then why post it? I didn't understand this comment because I went. I didn't say anything. Both probably. They posted their new episode. I shared it onto our page.

And then he commented this and I was like, did I say something about the movie? And then I looked, I didn't comment. Maybe we did. And then I read their post. I double read it. It sounded like they liked the movie. So I don't know what.

the fuck he's talking about. Eddie, brother. Eddie, Eddie. You got to get it together, dude. I'm telling you, this guy just, he just posts negative comments. You can see the light. Now they're not making sense. It makes things fun.

But yeah, at least make sure it makes sense. We can do it, Eddie. We're here for you. We're going to make you smile. I think I read their post three times because I was so confused. But now we're also, we're also definitely going to talk about your post every time you make one. So that will be a lot of fun.

But we're going to make you smile, hopefully. And when we come across a positive one, it's going to be fun for everybody. All right. On to Predator, Killers of Killers. I still don't watch that. Kurt Rule says it was okay. Okay. Yeah.

What are you going to do? Have you seen me yet? Well, you guys liked it, right? Brian did. I thought it was a lot of fun. Yeah, I haven't seen it either. Yeah. Maybe the 7-year-old will like that.

Brian, do you think if she liked Sinners, you think she'll like Predator? Has she seen any of the Predator movies? Not that I'm aware of. We need to fix that, don't we? Show her the OG one. The OG, that's my start. Before you get into the animated movie. Okay.

All right. Although, still that one at 7, I don't know that she's going to stay in there. Like, they need a lot of shit flashing in front of their face. Right. Well, she watched sinners. Yeah. She loved that. That's true.

Yeah. Haley Steinfeld's spitting in Michael B. Jordan's mouth. Oh, yeah. Like gross, but kind of hot. Right. It's like, you. but also the funny the funny thing guys is that uh her her her cousin that's here the 15 year old she actually went to see haley sidefield open up for megan trainer several years back like that's

right she is he is a singer too yeah i did not know that yep she's one of those Disney kids or something right was she i just remember her from uh true grit. True grit. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do remember that. My house she's, my house she is grown up.

Yes. All right, in regards to the, I know what you did last summer remake. Hey, our boy Eddie. Hey. He says, I guess Brandy isn't going to be in it. So you can take this two ways. Him making fun of the movie

or him being mad that Brandy might never be mad. He may be mad about that. Oh no. That's my thought. Maybe it was a legit question. I don't think that's a negative comment. Bravo, Eddie. I can see her making a cameo in it.

That they're just not Did she die in the original? Yeah, I can see that. She was in the second. She survived. Okay, she survived. Well, then yeah, they might pop her up. What's, I'm, is, she's not doing anything.

Is she? She did that movie no one watched last year. Oh. Oh, the one with the grandmother. They came to live with them. Yeah, if she's, if she, like, if that's the last thing that she was in, she'd definitely pop up for something like this. I think so.

I think we can count on that, Eddie. So maybe she will be Eddie. We're going to make you smile with Brandy. Yeah. In regards to practical magic two, Whitney Split says, I love the practical magic move. movie.

That was pretty good for what I remember. I think I was bored to tears, but... So you're not excited for the sequel? Me? Why are you going to... Sandra Bullittman, Sandra Bullitt coming back, Lance? Why take a shitty... Why take a shitty movie and make a sequel 30 or 40 years in the future?

Come on, man. I just watched a Nicole Kidman movie called... baby girl or something? Baby girl. Yeah. Yeah. Erotic thriller. That's right.

This bitch is like 60 doing like, I know. Full nudity. So did you, did you get lucky that night, Philip? It rose like it. It was a weird movie though.

Like it wasn't like some of it was kind of sexy, but you're like, I know. Kind of bizarre. Wasn't like the guy who was messing with in the movies supposed to be like 20 something? Yeah.

Yeah, and it was just a lot of it was kind of awkward. I was like, wait, why is it? What are we doing? Anyway, we're a fucking movie. I can't exactly recommend it, but I mean, if you want to see some naked old Nicole Kidman, then, uh, right? I mean, she's still got it kind of.

I mean, for an old lady. I think she still hits the Pilates. I think she still hits the Pilates classes. Come on. Obviously, she's fucking ripped, dude. I've never. never been interested in Nicole Kidman. I never have either.

I guarantee you she's into that eyes wide shut shit though. Oh, yeah. That's right. That was her. Yeah, see, I used to like her, but when she started doing the AMC, when I had that AMCA list, and she was doing that speech before every fucking movie,

you know, I was like, I got a little tired of it, but you know. Yeah. Is that just for AMC? because I swear I've seen her. I think, I hope. That ad pop up in my theater. We don't have AMC.

Oh, no. She's everywhere. They're taking over. She's the AI. She films me for every theater. Like, whatever Tom Cruise is taking, he gave her some, too, because she's like... Oh, that's right. The founding of you stuff.

It's weird with you're, like, that old and super ripped, you know, you're... You're ripped. You're ripped, but it's not like when you were younger. You know what I mean? Well, I mean, of course not. I want to know what Katie Holmes knows because she had to get the fuck out of there. That's right. Yeah.

She definitely knows some shit. For sure. They're all weird stuff. She does that Epstein, probably. You guys are trying to convert me into what? Right. Exactly. She's like, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with.

this and she's in Hollywood. Right? On a lighter note, I just got announced Tom Cruise is getting an honorary Oscar. Okay. A what?

He's gonna go slap Will Smith to take his away from him, or what? I don't think he can reach Will Smith. Somebody getting to school. What is it? Like Peter Dichl. What does that mean?

I think for overall career, Oh, okay. I can see that. Oh, all right. Of course, he's only halfway through his career, so... I mean, he'll be a little early, but... It's got another 60 years of movies. Yeah, exactly. 60 years of running.

He's a fucking robot, man. He's the Android. I'm telling you, something's weird about that guy. Could be. Good be. You have an Elon. He's the AI that knew us. There you go. Okay. all right

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Heather Powell with her Patreon picks and explore the Pooniverse. That's right. The Pooniverse. Heather made us do it. But I like that name. That's right. With Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey, One and Two. There's two of them.

and Peter Pan's Neverland Nightmare. We'll start out with the original. The very first one of these, whatever they are, We need the poo, blood and honey from 2023. After Christopher Robin abandons them for college, Pooh and Piglet embark on a bloody rampage as they search for a new source of food. All right.

Director and writer is Rise, I guess is how you say that? Freak Waterfield. Also known for Sky Monster and the upcoming Pinocchio Unstrong. Oh, no. All right.

I'm interested. Okay. That one stars Robert Anglin and Richard Brake. What? Really? No way. They are up in their game

in the universe. I like it. the direction this thing is headed. What does he stab people with his nose? Like he gets in front of them lies a lot. That's probably what it is, right? That's got to be the schick. Latt of me, baby.

Which one of them, they played creepy carers, which one of them is playing Geppetto? Petto. Richard Brake? I'd like to see it. That's just my wish list, but... Okay. No, Richard Break is going to be

the the carnival guy with the yes yes the dude that yeah yeah that uh yeah he uh puts him in the little cart or whatever and yeah horse drunk carriage and they take him and make them

donkeys or whatever sure oh yeah I think you just nailed it I think Philip nailed it right so that's just how I see Robert Anglin as Geppetto yes because he can be kind of warm you know Richard Brick can't be more. That would be weird and out of character for Robert England, though. Although I think he could pull it off.

He's pretty old now. I haven't seen him lately. Yeah, he's in his 70s now. I mean, does he look? Yeah, if he's in his 70s, does he look about the same? Last thing I seen him in was Stranger Things, and he had no eyes, so I don't know. Kind of hard to tell. Well, yeah, I mean,

maybe he's maybe he can be a a warm old man at this point I like it I think so I think he can pull it off all right production on the film became possible in 2022 after

A.A. Milne's novel Winnie the Pooh from 1926 entered the public domain in the United States which marked the first appearances of Winnie the Pooh, Piglet and Christopher Robin. The film's characters could not

however, resemble the Disney versions who debuted in 1966 and are still protected by copyright. Oh, I did not know that. Makes sense, I guess, right? Okay. In Hong Kong and Macau, the movie was pulled from cinemas just two days before release. Cinema chains in the two cities cited technical reasons as the cause. The classic character, Winnie DePoo, has been used to mock China's president

Xi Jinping my netizens and pro-denocracy protests in Hong Kong oh yeah oh that's funny

I like that all right Brian you're going to start us off with Winnie de Pooh blood and honey I I have a little

bit of fun with this one. This movie's kind of up and down. There's peaks and valleys. There's things to liking it. I like the lore they created with Christopher Robbins leaving them and then being stranded and had to find

themselves food and it gets fucking dark because they eat Eeyore. Yeah, it was a fucking wild concept. There's really no food at all. They eat the saddest one. Well, hey.

Wouldn't you get tired of hearing his shit? And not only do they... Don't fucking be that guy. Fucking, who's our guy? Oh, Christopher. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, Eddie. Eddie. Don't be E. Or.

Right. Get eaten. And then Eeyore does show up later, at least his tail. His tails used to whip Christopher Robbins in that one scene when they're torturing him. Jesus. That was a good idea. There was some pretty decent kills.

There was some decent kills, like the chick that gets her head run over, the one from the hot tub. Mm-hmm. I appreciate what they did, what they had to work with, because this movie is super low budget. Mm-hmm. Think, let me see if I could pull up the budget. It is $100,000 this movie costs. Okay. well holy crap

that's like super cheap dude like you could have spent that money on a house but instead you made a movie and killed and a good investment because the budget was $100,000 gross $7.7 million

Wow! That is a good ROI yeah and many more movies to come I think but overall it's a pretty basic story it's pretty much a slash story, you know, people show up at a cabin, they get picked off

one by one. And after the beginning, I kind of feel like it goes away from digging into the lore of these characters. Sure, sure. Yeah. And it just becomes a generic slasher movie. Yeah, sort of. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing,

you know, I mean, depending on... Yeah, when you have access to these characters, you know, I don't know. Maybe I was looking for more than what I really got. Just kind of some creativity with the characters,

which like I said, with the whole backstory of, oh, where's Eeyore? Oh, they fucking ate him. And they don't even explain where the other character,

I mean, we get to other characters in the next movie, but they don't even explain where they are. Didn't have the budget for it, obviously, right? Yeah. I see what you mean. But like I said,

there's peaks and values. valleys into this. There's things I liked and there's things I didn't like. But overall, I think it's a fun concept. It's a, it's a lot better than like the Popeye movies that they're doing now or the Mickey Mouse movies that they're doing now. Is the Popeye one already out? There's like three out. Oh, I didn't know that. I haven't watched the Mickey Mouse one. I wasn't super interested. Right. If you're going to watch one, watch the one with David Howard Thorpe. Yeah. Watch Screenboat. Yeah. Watch Screenboat if you're going to watch one. Oh. Is there More than one?

Yeah, of course. It's like three or four. Well, the mouse trap, I don't know what else, but the mouse trap was terrible. Oh, the mouse trap. That's the one I keep coming across. That's the one me and Lance Watch where he teleports for some reason. Because he's a fucking cartoon. Dona Nellie loved that one, Brian.

He got into a heated argument online with me about like, well, he obviously teleported because this magical, it was already established to the story. I'm like, okay. Hey, all right. Wasn't established. That's what he said. I don't know if it was established or explained. I don't know, Don.

Right into us, man. I mean, like our good friend Matt Wood said, we don't yuck anybody's yon. You enjoyed it, then you enjoyed it. Yeah, absolutely. I, on the other hand, I agree with Lance. We did not enjoy it. Yeah.

I there's a lot of Commergians man Some of them just hate everything Right I think that he Vashach But overall I think this is a A good start to

What is now a full-on franchise Yeah Possibilities I mean there's a difference between like these And all the other Umpteen different ones right Like is there is there one is there one of the Mickey Mouse movies

that is related to this one that's not? I don't think so. I think... Not yet. Not yet. How did you say his name? Ray's Freak...

I don't know. Rise Freak or something, yeah. Raise Freight Waterfield. I think if you don't see his name or Scott Jeffrey is the other guy that's involved in all the movies, then it's not connected. That was...

Okay. Because there's also a piglet horror movie that has nothing to do with this movie. Oh, okay. Yeah, because I ran across that and I was like, what the hell is this? Are you serious? Yeah. The only official things out right now are these three movies we're talking about. Okay.

See, that's what I'm talking about. We're talking about like official movies of an unofficial thing because it's lost its license. Right. It's confusing. Crazy. Lance, what did you think? Yeah, I'd re-watched this one because I'd seen it before. I was kind of a little down on it the first time I saw it.

I was kind of hoping to get more out of it this time. And I, you know, hoping that I would get more of the things a lot of the people, because there's people, there's fans out there. There's fans of this series. And I just don't happen to be one of them. I mean, look, see, here's the problem. And this didn't change from my first watching. When my biggest takeaway from the movie is I'm just going into a rage and throwing fucking a stapler across the room and almost breaking the TV.

Don't do that. Because the chick from the hot tub doesn't get naked. That's like my biggest takeaway. I'm like, why tease us with that body? Why have her not get naked? I mean, the other girl earlier in the movie, get it. It's her shirt ripped off, which I... And why?

That kind of felt like rape boobs, which is not sexy. You know, she wants to show them off anyway. Well, then, Phil, you switch the characters. Yeah. Well, and it's... If they had leaned a little more into that kind of cheese 80s schlock thing, I think... Right. You know, it could have done a whole lot better.

Like, there was a lot of things that they could. could have done better for sure. I mean, I don't know. I'm not trying to hate on them or nothing, but I was, I was hoping for more. Yeah, I think we all, we're all red-blooded. Not even in that, but just more in general from the movie. I wish it was better. I was so excited for this to come out.

And then I was like, ah, that's it. Okay, the positive for me, I agree with Brian. I like the setup. I think that was a great way to get us kicked off, right? So I really liked that little story at the beginning, and they ate E.O.R. and all, but once, oh, Christophil Wobbin gets in there and his girlfriend, I don't know, man.

And it's unceremoniously just break her neck. They tie him up and torture him and whip him with Eeyore's tail. I don't get it. And then, yeah, there was one scene. seen in there where the girls are like, what is that outside? And the other one's like, I don't know. But it doesn't look human.

It's two men and fucking rubber mask, bitch. It looks very fucking human. Where does this take place? They're wearing shoes. Somewhere in the UK, obviously. These are all in the UK. Because I swear there was English accents,

Australian accents, and then the one guy that was clearly a bear. The hillbilly guy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, the scene. We'll save that one. We'll let Philip talk about that final, that scene with the tough guys in the truck.

That was something else, man. What is it? Okay, look, I am, this last thing I'm going to say about this movie, this film may have only had a $100,000 budget, but I think they gave P. Diddy a run for the money on the budget for petroleum jelly. because fucking that quote-to-quote honey it was so obviously yeah well I think it was

petroleum jelly mixed with baby oil dude mixed with drugs I did coming out of his death I did find it hilarious honey's up his hand and then he starts slapping that girl

yeah it was kind of it almost looked like a snuff film I thought we were going to see a snuff I know. It was getting weird. You know? It was getting really weird and awkward, but I don't know. What did you think, Philip? Yeah. I mean, it had its moments. It's not, it's not awful. It just is not, you know, I wanted more. Because when something like this pops up, I mean, I guess there's probably a lot to live up to, but everybody's going to have in their head, you know, ideas of what they maybe want this movie to look like. before anybody ever starts writing anything.

So it's kind of a tough crowd. But for $100,000, man, this ain't bad. I know. It's kind of hard to hate it, right? Yeah, like I definitely can't hate on it, but was it a good movie? Not really. I mean, like the costumes were not great at all. It was like a dude in a mask.

They didn't even have his hands. It was a guy in a mask. I saw a YouTube video on it about it. And they just purchased the mask off of website. Yeah. It was like $3 of the budget went towards that. Right. But I did like the, I liked the roll over her head kill.

I thought that was, that one was a lot of fun. Um, they did some cool stuff with it. They had some good ideas. I didn't hate it. So that's where I'm at on this movie. All right. Brian, what do you think about scores? I think it's right there in the middle.

I think it's a five. Yeah. Lance. It's a two. That's understandable. It's rough. That's understandable. I mean, yeah.

They made a movie. Yeah. Maybe four and a half, which I'll give it a five, because that sounds, I think, too harsh. Because I like what they did. I like the idea. I was really excited about this movie.

And, you know, however goofy they wanted to make it. And it just was like, man, those costumes are bad, dude. Like, if they'd have spent another few hundred dollars on costumes, A little less baby oil and petroleum jelly, huh? Yeah.

All right. Shit, get the girl in the hot tub naked, lather her up with baby oil and petroleum jelly. I meant for that. That could have raised the score. At least it would have been funny. It probably would have gotten it over five for me. Oh, well, missed opportunities. Rise, David, whatever your name is, Weatherford or whatever.

Take a note if you're listening. Dis disappointing, I think, is my feeling of this movie. But like mildly so. All right. But only one way to go, right? Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey 2. Sure. From 2024.

Not wanting to live in the shadows any longer. Winnie the Pooh, Piglet, Owl, and Tigger take their fights to the town of Ashdown. Probably said that wrong. Leaving a bloody trail of death and mayhem in their wake. Director in writer is Rice Freak Waterfield, is what we're going to call him. Sure.

One of the hunters in the 100-acre wood is called Shepard. He shares his name with the last name of Ernest Shepard, the illustrator of the original Winnie the Pooh books. Yeah, they throw a few. few little nods and stuff into these things and that's always fun. All right. Brian, what do you think about

Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey, too? I like this one. They up everything. They up the door. They up the production, the costumes, the makeup effects. I've been meaning to, this is my second time watching it. I've seen it before, but I've been meaning to go because I,

I always remember the scene in the movie where the first movie is on a TV that the little kid is watching. Oh, that's right. Oh, yeah. So I did some digging. What essentially we watched as the first movie exists in this universe. Right. That's kind of human centipede style, right? It's kind of like the stab movies that are in Scream.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. So what we watch, was the dramatization. Thank you. I was trying to search for the dramatization of what happened.

I get it. I get it. Which I think is a smart thing to do. They explained away why this movie was so shitty. Exactly. And why there's a different casting for Christopher Robin, which I think is a better actor. And then I also found out he is one of the writers of these movies.

Oh, okay. so yeah my favorite character in here was tigger because he was just fucking unhinged he was essentially Freddie Kruger because he was slashing everybody he was calling him bitch the cops are all like let's bounce and he pops up out of nowhere that's my line

that's my line yeah I like that's a good nail Brian Freddy Kruger of uh of Poo Land owl was creepy yeah i liked i like the way he looked um i like the explanation it's a wacky explanation but it explains why they keep coming back because it's in their DNA that they regenerate

okay so you can keep having them in the movies because piglet gets killed again in this movie yeah brutally and i just i just thought this was a complete step in the right direction when you're coming from the first movie to this and I thought it was a lot of fun. The practical effects were fun. The kills were fun. Yeah. Yeah.

They did what they couldn't have done in the first movie because they didn't have the money to do it. Budget for this one was $500,000. Damn. I thought I could have sworn it would have been twice that. Yeah, no kidding. And again, it gross 7.6 million. So, again, it was profitable. I'll say.

Keep them coming. Lance, what do you think? I'm of two minds on this one, because as far as the story itself, I liked the story of the first one. They brought too much shit in this one. Are they saying that Christopher Wobbin 2.0's brother is poo? Or is one of the... I'm so thrown off by that.

Isn't that what it was? Didn't his little brother get kidnapped by this dude and brought to the doctor to be experimented on? And was there some kind of reveal that poo? The reason he hung out with poo all the time when he was a kid is because poo was his literal biological brother? Yeah. I think that's what it was, right?

This is throwing too much shit in there. right, look, let's just get past that because it's a... I thought that was cool. Yeah, I don't know what you're looking for in these movies. I like the first one better. No, no, I hear you like the first one better. What? Now we're going to...

No, the story. Oh. Like the way they kept it simple. I heard you're wrong. I was like, Jesus Christ. Because this one, this one literally changed the story. Now all of a sudden, you know,

he didn't abandon him and go to college just because they were animals in the woods that he fed and took care of. This time it was actually his family member and kids in the neighbor. I don't know. Too much for me. But let's get to the fun part, the kills.

I love the fucking kills in this one. And especially at the rave, the one with the head being thrown up in the baseball bat. That was awesome. It was fun, man. It was fun watching it. The last one I got to say, it was a slog. Right? Yeah.

Watching it. but I like the setup. This one, I didn't like the setup, but it was fun watching it. And there were, I don't know if you guys caught the little Easter eggs. The therapist is Wendy's mother. No. From Peter Pan.

Did not catch that. And when Christopher Robinson was doing research, he came across an article about a killer deer. And that's the next movie coming out. I did not. Oh, yeah. See that either. Okay.

Didn't catch that either, Brian. Yeah. See, that's a little Easter eggs in there. That's what I'm looking for. The stuff that fits with this movie, like the official ones, you know? All right. I liked it a lot. I thought it was a way better movie than the first one.

I was like, oh, man, this is like what I wanted. But again, you know, I think they did what they could with $100,000 in the first one. Sure. And then they were, and then it opened up and they're like, okay, let's do it again. again, but like, let's make it right. Yeah, they essentially evil did the movie. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what they did.

That makes perfect sense, yeah. And I kind of love it. I mean, it's a little cheesy, but it's meant to be, you know? A little. And, uh, what did you guys think about Tigger? Brutal.

The Freddy Krueger of the Pooniverse. Yeah. He was always calling somebody a bitch. Yeah. See, I couldn't I couldn't decide whether or not I liked that he talked like that. Yeah?

Yeah. Like, I mean, it was funny, but I was like, oh, man, could they have really done something maybe different here? Maybe, but...

One thing I can't say is, I just went with it, did something a little different with the way he looked because his mask looked a little too similar to poo. Yeah. Right.

Like, I wanted a better tigger, I think. Yeah. I didn't hate him, for sure. Well, you ain't go get the Disney one. Yeah. And I like to.

And I feel like that's pretty close to the actual character of him being so unhinged that they had to lock him up. Yeah. The other characters had to lock him up. True. Even when he shows up at the rave, you can see he still got part of his straight jacket on. Like I wish that, Brian. I wish that maybe he had sounded more like Tigger. That would have been

terrifying and I love it. Maybe in the next one man. Maybe they're fine timing it. But yeah, I really don't have a whole lot of complaints about it. I had a really good time with this one. Is it a stupid crazy horror movie? Yeah.

I mean, it's not. That's what we do here. For sure. This one is not going to be in the competition. But. I had a lot of fun with it and that's really what's important

so I enjoyed it Brian what do you think scores this is an easy seven for me they are in my opinion taking the steps in the right direction as we'll get into the next movie I feel like

they're getting better with what they're doing like you said Lance they're kind of fine-tuning stuff they probably They probably are listening to interviews and podcasts and stuff like that and critics. And it's like, okay, we did this wrong. What can we do to make this character better, this situation better, this storyline? So, yeah, I really had a lot of fun with it. All right.

Lance, what do you think? This one was head and shoulders above the other one for me. Story, though, brought it down a bit. But it's a good solid four on ten. you know, it wasn't it wasn't horrible. It wasn't like the first or it was fucking horrible.

So, you know, yeah, it's a good, solid floor on 10. Your horrible is way different than my horrible. I'll watch this one, overnight swim any day. I'm going to give it a... I think,

I think... It's probably a six and a half, honestly. All right. You guys are generous. Yeah, man. I think it was a pretty solid movie. I think they did what they had originally intended to do with the first movie and made it as fun as they possibly could. Okay. I can see where you guys are coming from. On to the next one.

Peter Pan's Neverland Nightmare from 2025. Now this one is a part of this series. Yes. So they're going to connect in some way or form one day? Like I said, the therapist mom that was in Blood and Honey too is Wendy's mother in this. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. It's so dumb, but I love that they're doing it. I know, it is. All right. So Wendy Darling strikes out in an attempt to rescue her brother Michael from the clutches of the evil Peter Pan. Along the way, she meets Tinkerbell, who will be seen taking heroin, believing that it's pixie dust. Director and writer is Scott Chambers. Yes, the dude who played Christopher Robbins in Blood and Honey, too.

Oh. there you yeah full circle full circle philip when joey is abducted by peter he can be seen wearing a winnie the plube blood and honey t-shirt i did see that hmm um all right

peter pan's neverland nightmare brian what do you think i like this one i think this is the best one out of the the franchise agreed trying to find the actor's name the one that played Peter Pan? He's good, man. Martin Portlock was fantastic. He kind of gave me

Alan Rickman vibes. Yeah, I can see that. And I just loved his portrayal of Peter Pan. I love the opening scene where he's trying to lure a young James Hook. I don't know if you guys caught that. Trying to lure him to the cellar. He's, you know, he's talking one way, talking nice, you know, trying to lure him. And then he just completely flips the switch and changes his voice. Right. The stuff with Tinkerbell with the heroin, thinking it's pixie dust.

Yes, this is a twisted childhood universe because it's twisting everything. Mm-hmm. And they are not shy about murdering children. because they murder in a tired school bus. No kidding. I mean, they don't go into detail on each one, but they get in there. And the gore,

that opening kill was probably my favorite when he scouts, James Hooks, the little boy, his mother, when he just, clear his bare hand. That was a crazy fucking scene to open a movie. And then when he turns on Tinkerbell, when he's stabbing her, and then he's like breaking the arms and legs and stuff like that.

Oh, yeah. They're going for it in this movie. Was that like tearing off her wings? That's when I got out of it. Yeah, you can say that. Yeah. And also other little things, this is my second time watching this. Other things I caught.

I didn't know the best friend of hers was named Tiger Lily. Hmm. The best friend of who? The main girl when she goes to stay with them at their house. Okay. What's Tiger Lily? There's one in the in the book, right? The original book. The only the only drawback I have was there was there was no lost boys. We do get the scene where James Hook shows up because the majority of this movie after the opening scene takes place 15 years later.

Sure. So we got a grown-up James Hook who shows up to help out. But I mean, I was expecting there's more movies to come. so. Yeah. Are we, oh, we're going full spoiler

even though it's a new movie. Why not? Everybody is what they're getting into here. I already started to spoil it. That's all good, man. We know what we're getting into, I think, on this one. That was probably my fault.

But again, again, I think they are going in the right direction with this franchise. And I'm kind of excited to see Bambi the Reckoning to see how they tied that movie in. Me too.

Is that one filmed and ready to... Yeah, that one's coming, and Pinocchio and Strong are the next two. And it's all connected. But yeah, I had a great time. I thought the cast did good. Especially, like I said, Martin Portlock, who played Peter Pan. I thought he was fantastic. He was creepy, sinister.

and he just just how he bounced back from just being one way and then just flipped the switch and was just evil and how he changed his voice up I thought was great so yeah I really enjoyed this one what was the budget for this one

this one was 310 1000 what the fuck are they doing what all the money they're making no shit Jesus Christ getting pixie dust, right?

There it is. He's got to go somewhere. Into Tinkerbell's arm. Lance? What do you think? Yeah, this was actually a good movie. It was a good story. That opening scene in the circus, Brian,

where he kind of almost looked like the Joker a little bit with a face paint and stuff like that was incredibly well done. I got shades of actually, believe it or not, David Howard Thornton on that one. Oh, yeah. And yeah, I definitely got Joker vibes big time. And then, yeah, that scene where he's popped up out of the basement, like Evil Dead style and goes from nice to naughty or whatever. And Tinkerbell being a...

He said, I'm a... Or she said, I'm a fairy. Whatever. She was originally a lost boy. Yeah, that was kind of a nice. I think that was the story because she was one of the kids that he kidnapped. No doubt. Yeah, I think they all were, right?

And he would kill these kids and just tell her that, oh, they're not dying. They're going to Neverland. You're going to Neverland. Yep, that was the excuse. Spoiler territory, he had no junk. Yeah, he was an unsullied from Game of Thrones. He had no shock. Did they ever explain how that happened?

Well, or just was. Sequel, they'll cover that one in the sequel. Question, not to jump into your review, Lance, but the scene where he's levitating. Was he levitating or was this in his mind? I thought he was just high on heroin. Kind of like Jesse Peepin in that one scene and Breaking Bad where he was floating out of his bed Okay

Next to what's her name? Kristen Ritter or whatever Jessica Jones Yeah That's what I meant to say Yeah So I think I think that's right too Because they had somebody

Walked in the oh Tinkerbell came in the room A second later and he was just standing there So I think it was just you know Pixie Dust makes you fly But you never know You believe does he truly live forever right i don't know i guess we're gonna find out in the universe i did have i did have some of those questions throughout this movie i was like

is there is there a neverland like what what happens there's a van where does this go like is he there's a colorful van yeah is he just murdering them or is he really sending them somewhere yeah where was james hook this whole time for 15 years under the fucking house, apparently. Apparently so. I guess that's where the lost boys might be. Right. Hmm.

Yeah, this is my favorite of the three. But Michael was one of the lost boys in the original Peter Pan stuff, right? I think. Sequel. You know, that's the sequel, right? Well, Panopio is going to have some great opportunities for shit. So that's what I thought the lost boys were, were the kids that were like being kidnapped and hanging out in that room like Michael.

And so maybe it was more of a tongue and cheek thing. Maybe. Yeah, that's what I thought too until the new story with all the damn graves. I was like, well, okay, I don't think they made it to Neverland. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Depending on your definition of Neverland, right? But yeah, this one was definitely my favorite of the three.

This was a legit movie, man. Like, I turned it on. totally expecting it to be yeah i turned it on totally just expecting to to zone out and watch kind of a fun horror movie and uh man this one grabbed my attention and it held on to it yeah little little too real little too real yeah and it was and it was kind of brilliant the way that they did it with it with the pixie dust as the heroin and they fly and he's taking the the lost boys to neverland and you even end up with the captain hook and the it's it's a it's it's it's pretty great i like the way that they uh yeah you know the way that

they thought of that and made that happen um now i lost where i was going with that but it was a pretty good movie man yeah no we call that dude the the the special effects dude were uh were pretty on par i like it um from that first scene where he gets his face torn up like that That's where it really grabbed me and held on. And, yeah, I was impressed. Scott Chambers did a fantastic job. Yeah. Christopher Robin from the second movie.

Christopher 2.0. Yeah, this is definitely my favorite of the three, and I hope that they keep going in that direction. All right. Brian scores. I'm going to have to go eight. What? It's the top 10 for the year?

for your baby, Brian? It could be. I don't know. Jesus Christ. This was a good movie. Yeah. It was well made, well written. The effects were good, well acted.

Like I said, they keep going in that right direction for me. Right. I get it. I mean, for all I know, Bambi could take two steps back. But for right now, I'm kind of just enjoying this ride right now. Right. Or it could be awesome. Yeah.

I mean, it's probably not going to be as good as this one. But you can have a lot of fun with Bambi. Bambi versus Godzilla. You all remember that one? Lance, what do you think? Head and shoulders above the second movie, which was head and shoulders above the first. So this one, this one, this one, this one's up to a little above night swim for me.

It's this is six and a half. I'm actually going to go six and a half on this one. I was coming to the. table with six. I could do it. Yeah, Brian talked me up a little bit, reminding me of how good the

actor was that plays Peter Pan. So I hope they keep this guy. You know, I hope he, oh yeah, see him around again, you know. Yeah, because they sort of ended on a cliffhanger.

Do you guys remember we interviewed an actor named Russell Jeffrey Banks? Yes, absolutely. Yep. He was in a movie, uh,

what's it called? Who's watching Oliver? That's been a while, man, but I do remember. He is in Bambi the Reckoning. Oh. God damn. Very cool. Might have to try to dig up that interview, man.

Yeah. Oh, Brian, I'm way behind on reposting stuff without the sound in it. So I'm going to try to work on a few next week. I've got some on my desktop that I save, but I haven't done them yet. but that that sucked man when we had to go back and take all the musical cues Philip out of the oh yeah

Jesus Christ man man fucking bloomin a problem fucking bluna worsel music damn it yeah but that's back when we were just fucking around which is exactly what we're doing yeah still doing

still doing all these many years later that's why we're still doing it all right I'm gonna go eight. Nice. Yeah. I think it was a really good movie, man.

It was super creepy. The bad guy was pretty vicious. Great special effects. I love the whole Captain Hook thing. I'd surprise the shit out of me when you are going to watch a horror movie about Peter Pan. You're not expecting this. Yeah, I thought it was a surprise me in a great way. Yeah, I thought it was going to be super silly.

Yeah. Like, you can fly. You can fly. fly. Like some hunter shooting him out of the sky and shit like that. Or cheesy. I thought it was going to be cheesy and this movie is not cheesy. No, it's kind of uncomfortably realistic.

Yeah, it's rough. Oh, it reminds me of the one that we saw a couple of years ago with the hookers at the truck stop. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a pretty good movie. Feel to it, you know? Yeah, yeah, very gritty. I like it.

Dude, keep going. I like it. Yeah. Everyone's better than the one before. Yeah. Yeah. Get dark with it. That's cool.

Yeah, we'll see. Maybe Bambi will be the wind ago that we never got in the Pet Cemetery Remake. There you go. You're bringing out all the hits today. All right. On that note, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns. we would love to hear your feedback and ideas. Just go find us at thehorrorreturns.com or email us at thehorror returns at gmail.com.

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So our buddy, our buddy Jack may or may not be here. He wants to be here. Oh, that's cool. But we're going to do, what, 28 years later, Brian? Are we already up to the years on this shit or what? 28 days later and 28 years later. There you go.

I'm excited about this. And I wanted to say thank you, everybody. We put out a new show. frightful reflections. It's a commentary show with me and Nez. Commentary. The Friday the 13th episode we put out on Friday at 13th did really well. I wanted to just thank everybody for downloading.

Brian, was it the original or was it one of the sequels? Oh, we did the OG. Okay. That sounds like a pretty fun show. Doing anything with Nez is fun. He doesn't show up as a, often as I wish, but I know he's super fucking busy. Yeah.

So I get it. And new wrestling returns will probably drop before you hear this episode. All right. Probably will. All right, Brian, on that note, until the horror returns again. Good night.