The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #477: The Year In Horror 1992, Part 1 - Innocent Blood & 976-EVIL II: The Astral Factor

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

We go back in time again this week. Cool of the Week includes Superman, Legends of the Fall, and F1. Trailer is Stranger Things 5. The podcast Spotlight shines on Movie Sare Therapy. And we get feedback from Michael Arnaz, Eddie Vastag, Pat Caruso, Adam Bunch, Rene Comel, and Jeff Bailey. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Regings victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers. and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back, everyone, to The Horror Returns.

I'm Lance, and we've got Brian with the amazing took that we get to see every week. If you watch us on YouTube, look for the Nanook of the North. That's Brian. get Philip, the amazingly bearded Galvestonian. What's up, guys? Not a mucho, man. Just same shit every day.

Is that a thing? It is. I think that's how it is. Galvestonian and Galvestite. Yeah, I think it's Galvestonian. Okay. There's a hotel called the Galvestonian, so I assume so. No way.

I think so. Learn something new every day. Yeah. That we do. That we do. So you guys want to jump at a cool of the week, get the party started. Yeah, I'll start it out. Superman.

Oh, nice. Okay. Kind of awesome. I really liked it. It was definitely more James Gunn style. There was a lot of characters in it without getting too spoilery. But Green Lantern was way more awesome than I expected him to be. he's such a dick

and he needs to be too it worked he was great it with the stupid haircut and everything I think the only character that I wasn't like totally in love with the casting is Lois Lane

okay she was just sort of there I'm hearing good shit about her and Lex Luthor's performance nah Lex Nicholas told he knocked it up to part.

Yeah. He owned it, uh? That was a really, really good Lex Luthor. Yeah, I was super impressed. I loved Spider-I loved Superman. The kid that got to play him, he was really good. Okay. He seemed very young, but it worked, you know?

Nice. And Nicholas, I like the story. I thought it was pretty good. Nicholas Holt is great at playing a douchebag. And that's kind of what Lexiard is. He plays one in this movie. Yeah, he loses this shit a couple times. It's kind of hilarious.

And the dog was pretty awesome. Yes! I've heard great things. I love the cameo at the end. Yeah, me too. That was a good cameo. I wasn't mad at that at all. Not going to say anything right now?

No. No, but like... All right. I think I'm going to check it out tomorrow. I'm not entirely sure who all these characters are, because I'm not a big DC guy. But it worked. I liked it.

Nice. I'm still not entirely sure like some of their superpowers. Another one that I felt stole the show was Mr. Terrific. Yeah, he was really good. Mr. Terrific? I vaguely remember that character.

Is he like, does he stretch? That's the one. I've never even heard of him. But yeah, I mean, you got to understand. It's James Gunn. He likes to pull those obscure characters. Yeah. Like polka-up, man.

He, like, controls electronic shit and stuff. Oh, cool. I don't know. He's like a super genius, I guess. I don't know. Kind of like you, Philip. Kind of like you, man. I don't know about that.

Put some little orbs out there. All right. I think I may do a... I was very pleasantly surprised. I think I'm very pleasantly surprised. I'm going to do a double feature tomorrow. That and Eddington. Eddington.

The family went to see Jurassic World today. I saw that also. Yeah. What did you think? It's not the worst movie, but it's not the greatest. It's basically here's the reason why they got to go back to the island and insert people in the dangerous dinosaur-infested world. and look more dinosaurs

yeah there was some there was some cool the the main dinosaur I don't even know if it's real or not I think it was like genetically created it looked pretty fucking scary the way it looked but yeah it wasn't the best out of series

I probably put it like middle tier it's definitely better than that last that last one where they tried to bring back like the original characters and add with the new it was to add more fun with it than that one. I don't even think I finished that one.

Yeah, my kids were watching it the other day, and I didn't even stay in the room. I was like, I don't want to watch this again. Right. Well, that's a lot, man. So Superman, I heard Crypto has a pretty big role in it. So I love dogs in movies, especially ones that can, like, float in the air and fly and stuff.

Yeah, it's sporadic, but he's got two or three scenes that are really good. Cool. Yeah, it's not too much. Yeah. That was my fear. It was going to be too much crypto. Yeah, he's just enough. He's not there all the time. Yeah. But when he's there, when he's there, it's awesome. Yeah. Nice. Nice. Cool. What you got, Brian? Well, like I was saying, I saw Jurassic Park rebirth. Not bad. I'd probably wait to go see it when it comes out streaming. And it's not like top tier Jurassic Park.

Okay. But, you know, I'm going to always watch Jurassic Park movies because, you know, I was a fan of dinosaurs when I was a kid. So it's always cool to see the dinosaurs up there on the big screen. Oh, yeah. It's like the Fast and Furious stuff. Yeah. Right.

See cool cars doing cool stuff. Or, sure. Dinosaurs. You know what you're getting. You know what you're getting, right? trying to catch up on some more horror movies that came out this year I didn't see I checked out one I think we were supposed to have her on the show before Lance Jessa Flux oh god I'd love to have her on the show

I checked out her how we dropped the ball on that one she's in this movie I checked out called Night of the Dead Sorority Babes I'm all in exactly whatever you're thinking is exactly what the movie is. Can't complain about that. Not at all. And also checked out,

Lance, I checked out that Stephen King's TV series that came out, the Institute. Okay. I'm intrigued so far. I'm too, I watch the first two episodes. That's what's out right now.

Mm-hmm. It's very, like we talked about, that, the group, the men in black or whatever. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's got that feel to it. It's called the shop in most of his novels.

Yeah. So maybe they're running it. They haven't really explained it yet or explain why they have these group of kids because these kids have like abilities. They neither have the ability to move things or the ability to read minds. and they're running them through these tests. And when they go through certain amount of tests, they graduate to this other part of the building,

which, judging by the kid's reaction, it's not a good thing to go to this other part of the building. Right. So they haven't really got into it. But it's piqued my interest so far. Okay. I'd check that one out.

What's that on? It's out there. Oh, okay. What's on? MGM. I'm not getting... Yeah, I'm not getting MGM plus. Oh, okay.

I'm not falling for that. Amazon, you bought MGM and then you have a separate streaming service. I think you can watch the first episode for free on Prime. Okay. Okay. So... Maybe worth it.

And I also had my cool, the week, also have to be Superman. Oh, nice. I loved it. Take it for what it is. I know a lot of people are like, all of a sudden now they're big fans of Man of Steel. And I know people are always friends of Henry Cavill,

but they weren't fans of his movie. Yes. But now all of a sudden it's, oh, the Snyderverse, Snyderverse. I was like, it's not coming back. It's done. It's over. Right.

This is what we got. Good. Yeah, good. I like the Superman. Yeah, I had a lot of fun with it. I can't remember the actor's name and play Superman. I thought he was great. I know people got mad at the origin change.

That's okay. Without spoiling anything, I kind of felt like it worked with what they were trying to portray Superman as. What was the origin change? Okay, slight spoiler. Skip ahead. No, it's the very beginning, so it's fine. Okay. the the reason why the parents sent him to crypto oh i gotcha okay yeah that makes sense i think i think it

pushes him more to his human his human side yeah or trying to appeal to humanity more that's why i thought it worked for me i mean i don't need everything to be exactly from the comics right or else there's not going to be no surprises and i thought the supporting cast was supporting cast was good Lex Luthor like I said knocked it up the park I didn't have a problem with Lois she was just kind of there but it wasn't really

her story that they were trying to tell yeah right and I love this not getting a Superman origin story just they tell you he's been Superman he's been out as Superman for three years so you're in this lived in world and there's a lot of world building going on and

I loved it. Yeah, I think it's just their little relationship drama that he had with Lois. She's like, I told you I'm not good at this. And I was like, well, have you tried not being a bitch? Yeah, I will admit I kind of was kind of tuning out their little interview discussion they were having. I was like, okay, I get what's going on. I get why you're asking these questions, but the scene feels like it's going on for 15 minutes now. Yeah.

Okay. And they had that little makeup scene and there was stuff going on in the background. I don't even know what they said. Interesting. But definitely a right step in the right steps going on from here with DC. I'm interested. I'm definitely interested in Supergirl because that's supposed to be completely cosmic. and we all know what he did with Guardians of the Galaxy.

Yes. It should be fun, actually. Yeah. I'm kind of looking forward to it. I was worried when I found out who they cast, because I just know her from House of Dragon, and she looked like a child, really. Yeah.

Okay. Well, it's a young character, though, right? I mean, and room to grow, right? So they want to keep this universe going for a while, I'm guessing. Yeah, I feel like the way that she acted is like age-appropriate. It makes sense. Yeah, spoilers for that too. When she shows up, she had just came from a planet that had a red sun,

which allows her to drink alcohol. And basically, she was pre-gaming for her 21st birthday. Okay. Can throw a little humor in? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there's a lot of humor. It's that James Gunn humor.

Yeah. Okay. So. Which I always enjoy. Yeah. I'm excited. I'm late to the party, but I'm excited. There's other cameos in there, Lance.

You'll pick them out when you see them. Okay. But yeah, I have to go with Phil and say that's also my cool of the week. Is there an after-credit scene? Yeah, but you don't need to. Yeah. It's... Ish.

Okay. There's a mid-credits and after credits, and I don't know that either of them are really worth sticking around for. They're just moments. Yeah. They don't, like, continue any story or anything. Right. Oh, that's a little disappointing, but, okay, he's doing his own thing. That's cool.

Yeah. All right. Is that it, Brian? Yeah, that's all I got this week. All right. Well, I read a book called Devil in the White City. So you guys familiar with the Chicago World's Fair and a madman named H.H. Holmes that created a murder hotel? You guys heard that one?

Yeah, there's supposed to be making a movie out of this. They are. DiCaprio is going to be in it. I don't know if he's, I hope he plays H. H. Holmes. Okay, so it's a good book. It's very thorough. The guy obviously did his research, but they focus a lot on the fair and, like, the building of the World's Fair. and what a masterpiece it was in architecture and stuff like that.

They don't, it's like the, they'll do like a 20-page chapter on that, and then they'll do like a three-page chapter on the shit that H.H. Holmes is up to. And I wanted to get all the fucking murder stuff, right? So it was a little me for me, as it turns out. It was a good book. Don't get me wrong. It was well written, but focused too much on the fair. So I got into another book this week.

After reading that latest Holly Gibney, Stephen King, I had to cleanse my palate, make sure that King really is the master and really does know how to write. So I started rereading a 1982 book called The Talisman that he wrote with Peter Straw. Have you heard of it? Yeah, I've heard of it. Yeah. Yeah, it's basically about a kid that discovers an alternate world, and he's trying to save his mother, because his mother is kind of like linked. to the queen. It almost kind of did.

You guys remember the movie that they were like, it took place in California, the Jordan Peel movie, they were kind of like linked together to the people that lived underground. Us? Oh, yeah. It's kind of that concept,

but it's like an alternate world, kind of like a fantasy world with swords and sorcery and shit like that. So it's pretty cool. And I'm just a little bit into it, but I'm like, God damn it. Now this is some sort of,

Stephen King's shit. So very detailed, great character building, and I'm looking forward to continuing this one. I've started watching the latest series of The Bear. You guys check that one out yet?

Not yet. Yeah, it's good. It's almost a little smelling its own farty, if you know what I mean? Like super artsy. Oh, I got you. It's got a great cast, you know.

Yeah. But, I don't know. We'll see where it goes. It started out really cool because the dude took over his brother died of a drug overdose, who, by the way, was played by John Baranthal. And so he shows up a lot of flashbacks, which is cool. But he took over his, it's like a Chicago sandwich place, and he's turned it into like a restaurant,

and he's trying to get a Michelin Star now because he's got chef training. So that's kind of a cool. progression, but I don't know. Cousin's the best character. Cousin is great, and Cousin's gonna play the thing and the Fantastic Four. I can't remember the actor's name.

Y'all know who I'm talking about? Evan Moss, Baccarach, or something like that. Yeah, he's pretty fucking great in this show. He's like, totally, comes totally unhinged and shit. Yeah, I've seen the first.

But that's good. What is this one? The third? Uh, fourth, fourth season. And they, wow. Yeah, they released them all at once. Yeah, so you can binge it. They released everything on one day.

I've seen the first three seasons. Yeah, I watched the first one. I kind of like, uh, Baranthal's good. Yeah, but you don't get much of him. Yeah, flashbacks only. Sugar, the sister. Yeah, she's, that's, that's, uh, Abby Elliott.

That's Chris, you remember the comedian Chris Elliott? That's his daughter. Oh, shit. Really? Yeah. Oh, Jamie Lee Curtis is great in it. Like, anytime she shows up, it's going to be some drama. Oh, she is a nutcase.

Yeah. I don't even know she's in it. Oh, yeah. Worth watching, man. But look, my cool of the week, I went to see F1, the racing movie. And I sat, it was on a really big screen, and I sat right in the middle kind of close to the screen. So, like, the driving scenes were filmed outstanding.

So every time there was a race going on, I felt like I was in it, which was amazing. But Brad Pitt still fucking brings it, man. I'm with you, Philip, dude. He is one of the best actors still going. Seriously, actually, another one of my cool of the weeks, I'd never actually seen Legends of the Fall. And my wife turned it on it. And, man, I-Leges of the Fall, okay. It sucked me in.

It was a good movie. All right. I'm adding it, because we've got to have three cool, three cools of the week on the list. So, all right, F1. Cool of the week, F1. I heard F1, they were going for a top gun Maverick feel like how you felt like you were in the cockpit. You felt like, did you feel like that like you were in the race car?

Same director, Brian, that did Mavicle. And yeah, and yeah, it was very immersive. Very immersive. A great experience. And look, dude, it was like over a two and a half hour movie. And it felt like it was over with it. in like an hour and 15 minutes. It's fucking amazing how quickly it went by.

So check it out, guys. Movie theater is a great place to see it, but even if you got a nice, you know, big screen TV, get that sucker going, man. You're going to be immersed in that world. Yeah. It's still in the theaters. I'm assuming it's going to come to Apple.

Because it's the Apple Studios. They do some good shit. They're not afraid to spend. money, that's for sure. Yeah, even though I heard that that app is in the whole... I can see why with the stuff they do. Hundreds of millions of dollars. I hope they make it, man.

I hope they make it. Because I like almost everything they put on there. Yeah. That for all mankind, Brian, if you get a chance, dude. I know alternative science fiction is not really your jam necessarily, but that show is so fucking well done dude and so much character development and

you know the billion it's it kind of mirrors what's going on now except it's like we're already at Mars and colonizing it at this point see what happened Philip is in the first episode the main dude is sitting in a bar with other people right and it's like back in the 60s and you see the moon landing

on the TV so you see the astronaut getting out of the ship walking placing the flag there and he walks back and it's the Russian hammer and sickle. Oh. So what it does is it supercharges the space race. And then other countries get involved.

North Korea gets involved, China. And I think it's like the third or fourth season and they've already got a Mars colony. And now they are starting to, they're going to mine an asteroid to be, because the guy wants to be the first trillionaire ever. It's pretty good stuff. Okay. For all mankind. That's on Apple.

so if you got it, check it out. Man, a lot of fanboying tonight. All right. News, Brian? Yeah, we talked about Kane Parsons. He's doing a film adaptation of the Backrooms, his viral YouTube video. Mark Duplas joins the cast. Nice. Oh, I like him.

The creep guy. Yeah. Let's see. We're getting another Purge movie. Surprise, surprise. But this time... Wasn't the last one like the final purge or some shit? What was it called?

Well, they always do that, though. I can't remember. They're fun, you know, in their own way. This one is said to be bringing Frank Grillo back as Leo Barnes and creating James Demonico has finished the script for Purge 6, and it will be set in a divided distorting. New America.

Okay. Sounds like current America. So it kind of sounds like there's no reason to call it the purge. Right. If it's a divided America and people are doing what they want anyways. Yeah, that's true. But hey, Frank Grillo's back. Yeah, of course.

Yeah, but the last thing I seen Frank Grillo in was that werewolf movie. Weirwolf. Yeah, that's true. Okay. Duff said, Brian. I'm not going to blame that one on him, though. We were supposed to be focused on his abs. Yeah, he was glistening with sweat up on the roof,

letting his, what was it, his sister-in-law or something watching? Yeah, his sister-in-law and his little niece that kept going, yeah. That's a dumb movie. Let's see. Have you guys seen Deadstream? Yes. Yes. I love that movie.

well the filmmakers Joseph and Vanessa Winters Joseph was the main guy in Deadstream they are going to write and direct a new take on the Amityville Horror So let's get an interview set for that man Let me make a note

I'll bet we can still get them on the show I'll bet they're not too big for The horror returns yet I'm going to reach out I hope it's got some comedy in it Oh it will The only other thing I've seen him in that he did, he did a segment on one of the VHS movies and it had comedy in it.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That's right. That seems to be their thing. Yeah. I like it. And lastly, we're basically getting a Nosphorus reunion on Robert Eggers' next movie, Werewolf.

Oh, God. It may be worse than the Grillo one. This one will be set in... Come on. Basically around the time, Nassiratu was set. We're going to have a meetup. Joining the cast is Aaron Taylor Johnson. Oh.

And in talks to join the cast, but not confirmed yet, are Lily Rose Depp and Willem. Of course. Of course. Get Nick Cage in there. Come on. Yeah. He should have played a he should have played nose froxy.

That would have been great. I don't know if the penis would have been as big, but. Play Dracula in Redfield. Yeah, that's true. That's right. All right. That's, uh, that's pretty much it for the news. I think next week is Comic-Con.

Okay. And we'll probably have some, a lot of news on neon because they're doing a panel there. Nice. And, oh, and for anybody going to, San Diego Comic Con is interested in seeing a toxic Avenger. Apparently, they're going to be screening the movie there all day. For those who want to go and watch it. Great idea.

Nez will be there. Maybe he can bring us back some frontline news. Yeah. Well, that's the news. All right. So we're going to now go on down to the trailer park. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird.

What is our first trailer to talk about tonight? Our first and only trailer is the new teaser for Stranger Things Five. It's a long teaser. Three minutes. Stranger Things Five picks up in fall of 1987. Hawkins is torn open by the upside down. Beckna is missing and the group must reunite for one final battle. Also, the government is hunting 11.

Hmm. And pretty much everybody that survived last season is returning. And the only new cast member I see is Linda Hamilton. We'll be playing a character named Dr. Kay. Hmm. Okay. All right. Yeah, you know, I kind of don't hate that they're doing this whole,

wait a couple of years before you put it out, as long as the production is big enough and it's good. It's kind of like what they're doing with the, the game of throwing stuff, you know? Sure. And I'm looking forward to it. I'll definitely watch it. It's, I mean,

definitely not oversaturated with stranger things. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you got to watch it. It's the finale. You know, it's what everything's been building up to is this final season.

It looks good. Yeah, and rewatching, I rewatch the teaser before we jumped on. There's some scenes where we definitely are going to be losing some people in this season. Oh, wow. Going to be bittersweet then, huh? Yeah.

And Linda Hamilton's character, go ahead. Yeah, no, Linda Hamilton's character? Yeah, I don't know if she's going to be a Matthew Modine character from the first season or Paul Reiser from the second season. I don't know if she's a good doctor or bad doctor the way she popped in the teaser. She kind of was with a group of people and she had guns and stuff. So I kind of want her to be the evil doctor. Yeah, that's my guess. You may get your wish.

I'm just super relieved that they got this season out before all the Stranger Things characters were like, you know, on walkers in wheelchairs, drinking geratol, in hospice, you know. That was my worry. They said there was a time jump. Yeah, but it was not that big of, I mean, I thought they were in time. I thought it was going to be 10 years for this thing came out the way they were going, but we're finally getting it, huh?

Well, I'm at the point where if you need to take your time to make it good, then take the time. I was thinking the same thing. And I got that impression big time from this trailer, because it looks like a lot of back-to-basics shit, which I love, but they're bringing Vinkna in, is that his name? Vecna. Vecna.

But they've still got a lot of the monsters from the very first season, a lot of the concepts. So I like it. I like the, what is it, like a radio station that they were transmitting from or something like that? Yeah, something they were turning the decibels out. And I'm all in. I like that this is the final season. Yes.

There's an end to it. I'm happy about that. What do you all want to bet there's going to be a spinoff series? Oh, there's definitely going to be a spinoff series. I'd like to see something like in the 90s, with all different characters. Maybe. That's just,

that's just my wish list, but whatever. Well, let's see here. The first set of episodes drops on November 26th. The second set of episodes drops on December 25th,

and then the final episode will be December 31st. And from what I understand, there'll be, like, basically, like, movie-length episodes. And I have a,

and I have a 15-year-old, granddaughter that will be watching it the minute it's up every single one of them guaranteed yeah probably more than once and that is it there is a new Mortal Kombat 2 trailer I forgot to put it on here look pretty cool more characters okay they're saying there's going to be more gore more fatalities and we're actually going to get a tournament this time Okay. And Carl Urban, Carl Urban looks badass as Johnny Cage.

Oh, wow. Awesome. That's interesting casting. Yeah, it is. But I'll say. Not as interesting as David Dalsmaltzman as M. Bison in the street fighter movie. Come on. Jesus.

See, Jean-Claude Van Damme should have been the original Johnny Cage. age. Yeah. Instead, he was a guy. Cool. Oh, well, most non-American guy they can find. He was a guy on cocaine. Yeah.

Probably literally. Oh, no. If you look at the backstory of that movie, he was, he was high on cocaine, like the entire. Oh, so literally. Okay. All right. Got to do something to kill the time, I guess.

I always, I always wondered the scenes where he's sweating. Is he sweating from physical stuff? He's sweating from cocaine. He's just geeking the fuck out, man. But they got a lot of interesting casting for that streetfighter. I'm really looking forward to it. What's his name? The comedian.

Yeah, no, Street Fighter. Oh, they're doing another street fighter? I didn't even realize. Yeah. Yeah, they're doing all of them. What's the comedian? Phil? with the high water pants and the mustache.

Oh, the flagrant guy. Yeah. Yeah. He's, uh, Andrew Shultz. He's got like a pornstache,

right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's, he's playing a character in there, and I was like,

he's going to be fighting and I had to look of his character. I don't think so. Apparently, he's like a sleazy manager, and I was like, perfect cast. Perfect. Yeah.

Perfect. Perfect. Nailed it. All right. We'll move on to listener feedback. The podcast spotlight shines on the YouTube channel. Movies Serer Therapy, focusing on therapeutic potential of film for self-help

and potentially in conjunction with traditional therapy. I've launched a substack, Movies are therapy, to prioritize passion over virality. Uh, no more hooks, gimmicks, and ads is the ultimate end goal. Damn, that's a big order. You seen it? Checked any out, Brian?

Not yet. It's just so many interesting podcasts. Yeah. Because I try to... Yeah, I try to make sure our podcast spotlight is on something new that I haven't seen before. Right. And there's just so many podcasts. It's kind of overwhelming.

Yeah. It can be. You look for anything he wants to. But I will definitely get to listening to him when I get a chance. I mean, hell, we have a podcast. How'd that happen? 477 episodes

later. Yeah. Let's see, in regards to Carrie 1976, Michael Arnaz says classic. Yeah. The original, the OG. In regards to Halloween resurrection.

Eddie Vastag says H-O. H-2-0 should have been the end. I don't disagree. Yeah. Eddie has a point. They had a few stinkers in there. In regards to Hellboy 2,

Pat Caruso says sequel that's better than the original, in my opinion. Yeah. I've heard that a lot. I can go with that. Hellboy 2 is pretty good. Adam Bunch says As a del Toro movie

I love the practicals and the monsters It's my least favorite hellboy movie though Really? Even more than the crooked man Adam Oh yeah There's no way he likes that movie better He said this was his least favorite

So you can actually see the folds in his costume When he bends over I'm not even going to watch it dude That was from last year, right? Yeah. It's got good ideas in it. Right. And the tone was correct.

It's just they didn't put enough money into it. It's probably like the least, the smallest budget into it. So kind of like that very final, the one with the tall man. You know what I'm talking about. Help me out. Oh, Fantasms, Ravenger. Yes. Yes.

Oh, yeah. If they would have had... They ran out of budget. This tone and some of the ideas in the last one and the budget for the David Harbor, Hellboy. Mm-hmm. I probably would have liked it more. Okay.

Who was Hellboy in this one? Roller. That guy from YerC Claus, the TV show. Roller. Oh, yeah. Okay. Huh. All right.

Yeah, just think of a Florida Meth Head. It wasn't a meth head, was he? I don't know. Was he getting high on his own supply? I don't know, man. No, he was banging Necy Nash. That's true.

Well, he got that going for him. Yeah, but that guy was hellboy. That is a weird choice. All right. Let's see. We have a name that I cannot read because it looks like it's in Russian. Says,

hi, when is the filming and release date for Wolf Creek 3 and when will the updates be available? Brian, this fucking guy,

right? Am I right? This fucking guy, right? This guy keeps asking the same question. On every post. I think he's,

because I got a similar post on Instagram, on our Instagram page, but the same exact question. Why does he think we're involved in it? I don't know. Are she? Are they?

Right? Because we can't read the name. That's for the name. All I know is... Might as well be in Klingon. All I know is it's in development. They're writing the movie. The original guy that played the main villain.

I forgot his name. He's coming back for it. Okay. That's all I know. I don't have any inside knowledge. I'm not friends with anybody on working on production or starring in it

I'm just going to have to stop answering your questions. What a weird thing for a Russian bot task. All right. On to the weapons poster. Renee Comel says great artwork with vintage vibes. I'm looking forward to that movie,

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for a future bonus show all right on the feature to track We go back in time to 1992 with innocent. Innocent blood and 976 evil two. That seems like too many numbers. Doesn't it? We'll start with innocent blood. Marie is a vampire with a thirst for bad guys.

When she fails to properly dispose of one of her victims, a violent mob boss, she bites off more than she can chew. and faces a new immortal danger. Director is John Landis, also known for an American werewolf and three amigos. I did not know he made this movie. I didn't either. I didn't either.

This got a lot of fucking people in it. Yeah, no shit. Writer is Michael Walk. Also, oh, this is his only writing credit. All right. That's interesting. Okay. Originally, Jack's shoulder was set to direct Laura Flynn Boyle and Dennis Hopper in the film.

After Shoulder backed out due to creative differences, John Landis stepped in and replaced Boyle and Hopper with Ann Perry-Oh, I don't know. Sure. And Robert Loggia, respectively. There you go. Landis himself had been set to direct another vampire film for Warner Brothers and Joel Silver. called Red Sleep, starring Wayne Newton. What?

As a Las Vegas lounge singer who has been and seduced by a female vampire. Where is that movie? Amazing. When the failures of Landis's Oscar from 1991 and Silver's

Hudson Hawk from 1991 killed the project, hey Hudson Hawk was good. Landis moved on to this movie. Landis told filmmaker magazine in 2017, I really liked the script. I was given tremendous freedom by the studio to make it, although it was rather low budget. It was very, very risky,

which I think perhaps contributed to the fact that it didn't do well. Sure. Didn't really look low budget. Yeah. I mean, they had the cast for sure. Mm-hmm. All right. Brian, you want to start us off?

Yeah, this was a first time watch for me. I remember seeing this. when I was a kid in the video store all the time, seeing the VHS cover, but I never got to it. It just kind of looked like maybe it was like a romantic vampire movie. Yeah. But if I known that John Landis made it,

and it was part mob movie, part vampire comedy, I would have been all over this, because I had a good time watching this. If you were a fan of the Sopranos or any, you're going to be like, oh, there's that guy. There's that guy. Sure. They're all in here.

Robert Loja is the mob boss is fucking hamming it up. Yeah. And he needs to be, right? He needs to be for this role. But I won't say hamming it up because if you go like his outbursts when he's yelling at people, if you go back and watch some of his older movies, like that's just his style of acting. And I love it.

Yeah. they so they casted it well then for him yeah um the main chick was okay i didn't understand what she was saying some of the time yeah yeah that that one seemed like a like a like a like kind of a miss yeah look guys she didn't she didn't mind get naked so we got that yeah i mean she she did that but she's a little little on the skinny side for me i know i like my i like my women with a little more meat. A little more meat on the bone. And longer hair, preferably.

But she was, she was okay. She was fine in the role. Yeah. But everything that I loved about the movie came from the mob characters. I thought they were just kind of over the top. Like, like the direct John Landis said, this is what a mob guy does.

I want you to exaggerate everything I just told you. do every stereotype of a mom guy and that's what they were doing and I thought it was hilarious. Are we sure it's going to get all over my soup? Practical effects were pretty good. I know this was on the lower budget but they were still pretty good.

The scene with Don Rickles when he is burning up from the sunlight and that nurse, his arm comes off in her hand. That was great, man. That was fantastic. The only times the makeup effects kind of wasn't working with me was sometimes their eyes look cool. Yes, agreed.

Sometimes it looked like they were like a chameleon or something. It was 1992. Come on. Yeah, but sometimes they were cool, like when they were glowing in the dark. I was like, that's pretty fucking cool. But like Phil said, sometimes when you got a good shot of them, like their eyes were wonky. looking at two different things at once.

Yeah, that's true. I kind of put that down though. What else? There was a lot of cameos in here. Oh, man. Oh, yes. I'm glad somebody has the list. We got,

of course, Don Rickles, uh, Chas Palmetry, Kim Coats, people know, him from Sons Anarchy. He was one of the mob guys. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's good. I like him. Some of the people, I don't know if you recognize, Linnea Quigley, scream queen, was one of the nurses. Luis Guzman. Oh, yeah. Love Louise Guzman. Oh, I love her. I love Angela Bassett.

Frank Eyes, Tom Saville, Sam Ramey. Sam Ramey, yeah. Mm-hmm. I don't know if you guys caught this. He was one of the paramedics, Dario Argento. Really? Well, I don't know what he looks like, so. I don't need.

All right, I'm going to re-watch this, so I'll pay it. He was one of the paramedics? Yeah. Okay. Definitely had 100% fun with this. It was a big surprise for me, because like I said, I always thought the movie was a specific kind of romantic vampire movie. And you guys all know how. felt about Nospharatu.

Yeah. Yeah, we all did. But like I said, when I found out it was John Landis, it was a horror comedy, a vampire with mobsters, and then I seen all the cast, all the people that were in it, I just had, it was just a fun ride from start to beginning. Very nice. All right. Lance, what did you think?

Same, same thing, man. I never seen it, blind spot. Brian, thank you so much for picking this movie, dude, because... So, John Landis has officially directed my favorite werewolf movie of all time, of course, American Werewolf of London. I can't say that about this one as far as vampire movies, because I love interview with the vampire so much. The Only Lovers Left Alive, the one with Tom Hiddleston in it.

I love that movie. I can't think of any other vampire movies I like more than this one. And this was totally different, because that... Those two are like super serious. And this one's like Brian was saying, kind of zany, kind of off the wall, exaggerated mobsters. But you put mobsters and a vampire together? I mean, this is a winning formula, guys.

Absolutely. It amazes me it took them this long to figure it out. You know what? The soundtrack was amazing. The background soundtrack was wonderful. The songs they interspersed in there. The rat pack stuff and all that was phenomenal. The way that she operated and she wasn't perfect, right?

Like she fucked up with Logia and let him turn into a vampire because she said early that she always likes to finish her meal. So like she's, you know, I guess takes them off and then breaks their neck or whatever. Yeah, she's not out here trying to create more vampires. Which didn't know you could kill a vampire like that. That's new. Yeah, they were kind of fast and loose on that one. And apparently you can break their necks or shoot them in the head. Head trauma.

It was like a zombie kill thing, right? It was head trauma. Yeah. But, okay, the sex scene was a little weird. And maybe it's just me. But she was humping his leg. How cold. All right, I hate to say that.

No, I don't hate to say this. I'm going to say it like it is. How cold do you think that pussy is? I mean, she's dead. That's a good point. Teach their own, right? Teach their own. But I knew those handcuffs weren't going to stay on.

She's got super string. She can fucking climb a wall in three seconds. Of course, she's going to break some little fucking handcuffs. He's never going to find out how cold it was because the way that they were laying, it doesn't work that way. It was like, fair enough. The room sex scene. Simulated, yeah. Simulated sex.

The room. I love it. Oh, man. Yeah, this was a treat. Absolutely. delight. I'll watch this one again. This is lots of fun guys, lots of fun.

Yeah, I'll agree with all that. I had a really good time with this movie. I started it out and was kind of playing on my phone at first and then totally got sucked into the movie and it had me going.

No pun intended. The cast was amazing. It was like every guy that came on the screen, I was like, hey, I know that guy. Hey, that's a fucking guy. That's the fucking guy. I know him.

You had a Polly from the Sopranos. Yeah, Polly showed up. And I was like, damn, dude, they've got everybody. And Don Rickles. Oh, man, that was the icing on the cake. Yeah. The Jewish lawyer for the mob. Well,

into shoe fits. Right. Yeah, I like the special effects. Don Rickles melting was kind of awesome. I like that end scene where he like catches fire and he's like giving a monologue while he's on fire. I don't get it. I don't get it.

How he keeps doing that while he's burning. I kept waiting for him to pass out. Yeah. Well, like I said, they play fast and loose. Yes. He's burning. Him being on fire was not killing him, but that single gunshot to the head.

yeah this body falls apart I guess so but yeah it was it was a lot more fun than I expected and I'd never seen it either yeah I always had just assumed that it was like some

romantic vampire bullshit movie yeah I see the posters yeah just her face kind of looking sexy on the poster and I was like

okay this is like this is some romantic vampire movie or some erotic horror movie I expected boobs what and you got them even a strip bar scene right

yeah that's a really nice yeah that's when Robert Lodge that's when he hams it up is when he's in the strip bar oh yeah dancing and like yeah

no but yeah no cocaine was damaged in this movie either I'm sure. Oh, yeah. Plus 1992. I'm sure there was a lot of it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

All right, scores, Brian. I'm giving an eight. Nice. I had a lot of fun. I was laughing. I thought the effects were good. The cast was great. And who knew a simple plate of garlic clams could do so much damage.

It's the garlic. And do they really stick a meat thermometer in the body? I don't think so. I don't think so. I've never seen it, but like a steak thermometer. Yeah, when he was like lifting up his shirt and he was like looking at it like, what the fuck is this? And I was like, do the corners really do that? Because that seems unnecessary.

He's dead. He's dead. Lance? Yeah, yeah, solid. solid eight wow I'm gonna go seven and a half but uh fair

yeah very much like this movie it was a completely a blind spot I don't remember hearing about this movie except the times that I saw at a blockbuster you know that was a while ago so all right well we definitely recommend

that one let's move on to 976 evil two The astral factor. Astral factor. That sounds dirty. A seemingly harmless telephone service endows an evil teacher with powers from beyond the grave.

Is that? All right. Sure. Wait. Did he die? No. I was not saying. I don't think that's a good description. That's a really bad description.

Actually, yeah. Director is Jim Wynorski, also known for chopping mall. That's a good one, yeah. Writers are Eric Greenberg and you, Brian Helgeland and Rick Glassman. He went on to big thing. He did The Knights Tale, Brian Hengeland. He's written a lot of, yeah, pretty high-profile movies. Okay.

Got to start somewhere. right? Yeah. And we got a, Brigitte Nilsson was cast after she met director Jim Wynorski at a party. At the party, the two of them played around a pool together with the wager. If Nielsen

won, Jim would put on a maids outfit and clean her house. Oh, God. But if Wynorski won, Nielsen would work on the film for one day. Oh, okay. I felt like she worked on film for less than a day. Yep. Yeah, kind of. Just one scene, but

you know. Robert England was originally considered to return to the director's chair for this entry before Jim Wynorski took it over. Okay. England's idea for 976 Evil 2 would have involved a cursed crisis line. Hmm.

Probably would have been better. I think so. Okay. Well, they did have a Freddy Krueger reference in the film. That's true. It was a weird one, but... Yeah. They kind of, they definitely pigeonhole then.

Yeah. Brian, what did you think about this one? I didn't hate it. I didn't love it either because it did have its moments where

I kind of looked at my phone. Yeah. Right. But I kind of liked it in a bad, low-budget cheesy way. Yeah. Understood, yeah.

I do appreciate they try to connect it with the original one with the main guy, Spike. Yeah. Because he was the survivor of the original one, but I didn't quite

understand what he, what his goal was. I don't think he had to do what his goal was. It kind of seemed like he was. Yeah, it kind of seemed like he was on a mission to bring down this phone line and the demonic presence, but it never

really said or alluded to that. You just had to kind of come up with that on your own. I guess. I think the best part was the, the professor guy. Okay. The bad guy?

Yeah, because it's like they just told him do what the fuck he want. Yeah. For sure. When we say acting, however you think the scene should go, just do it. Right. Yeah, he's a little over the top, but it worked. Yeah. Yes.

Like Logio, right? Yeah. Yeah. Logio was on another level. That's true. Oh, no, damn. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not trying. Don't get me wrong, Brian. I'm not saying, I'm not comparing them that way. I'm just saying they were both like super over the top. In their own way.

And I didn't quite understand what was going on with the story, why he was doing these things. Okay. Because it seemed like he had a little bit more control over what he was doing than the phone line. Because in the other, in the previous movie, you guys probably don't remember. Some of the guy, I think.

think his actor was Stephen Jeffrey, when he got possessed, he didn't have, basically his body was taken over and there was like, just elements of him left in there. This guy seemed like he had full control. Well, that, in trying to make an excuse for the movie, I think that might have something to do with the astral plane thing because he probably, I don't know,

they didn't really say how he got that, did they, how he got the astral plane power? but that might have given him more knowledge, I guess, because he was able to go different places. I don't know. Trying to explain the movie. I think we're making a better movie. Why was he killing people

in the first place? Yeah, didn't really... For fun? Well, he wanted to... He definitely wanted to fuck all the co-eds. Well, it seemed like he really wanted the main girl. What was her name? Oh, yeah. He wanted to possess her.

Like he was infatuated with her. And they even said before he got arrested, they had a good relationship. She couldn't even believe that he was getting arrested for anything. Mm-hmm. Wow. So why is he killing these other women?

Why not use your powers to seduce her? That didn't work very well. That didn't work very well, did it? And I didn't understand why when she touched his hand, that first time she's seen him arrested, all of a sudden she had this power to be. vision, see visions of all of the people he killed and is about to kill all of a sudden. She's psychic and they kind of never touched on that.

I did like the scene where she was at the friend's house and she went to go make popcorn and the friend got sucked into the TV. It was like, it's a wonderful life. I did too. Love that scene. That was kind of cool. Very original. They dubbed over some of the stuff because they were saying some demonic stuff.

And then all of a sudden it transitioned and the night of the living dead. Yeah. that was pretty cool that's the only part I liked in the movie really yeah other than that and at the end Spike is a dick that's bad I know he saved her but he left her to get arrested and they're pinning the murder on her I was like spike you asshole yeah like a dark ironic twist ending yeah but like I said I didn't love it I didn't hate it it was just kind of right there in the middle for me I am a kind of a fan of the original one

just because I've seen it so many times it was always on like TNT or TBS growing up I enjoyed the original network yeah yeah so I was always curious about this one this was also a first time watch so I was always curious about this one and like I said didn't love it didn't hate it but I'm glad to check it off the list all right Lance yeah makes sense

yeah this this was it was pretty bad really I mean I don't know nothing nothing made a whole lot of sense there's just a lot of you know

getting wiggy moving around from this scene to that scene like at the beginning okay so I know it wasn't a high school right it was a community college so they have a little more money I guess than a high school would depending on the tax base and where the community college is

but that fucking stage set for Faust with fire and like stalactites that fall down. Come on, man. That's like a fucking, you got to go to Holly, or you got to go to New York to see a play with a stage that's that produced. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That was, that, that, that, that threw me off. That was dumb. Long way to go for a reference. Exactly. That was, that was really bad. And then the, the, the Wino, how did a Wino get into? a community college to sit between the rolls.

George Buckflower. You guys don't recognize him? He plays a wino in like all the 80s and 90s. Oh, okay. Yeah, I guess. I kind of recognized him. And then he was singing that little song in the mirror. Anyway, oh, he said, he said, hey, give me some white wine.

He was going to have a white rhino on it. So he wanted the Thunderbird. There you go. Hey, man. That's the life, you know. I'm trying to think of something redeeming it. The only thing I can think of is that scene that Brian brought up. I thought that was kind of neat, kind of original.

I'd like to see a whole movie based on that where people go into famous movies and like the scenes, but it's something sinister going on. Might be cool, right? Transformed into something else. That would be cool, but I think there would be rights issue. And that's why they picked movies that were so old, right?

that we're probably out of... Well, I think they're... I think I know, I'm not sure about it's a wonderful life, but I know Night of Living Dead is public domain. Okay, that makes sense. I'm sure it's a wonderful life is, too. It's ancient. I mean, the only...

There was that Black Mirror episode where they, like, go into a movie. Like, she's acting in the movie through some sort of VR thing, and then, like, it's stuck in there. Oh, yeah, That was a pretty good one. I know the one.

That's the most recent season, right? Yeah. Yeah, the only positives, really, is that scene. I mean, there were a lot of nubile young ladies. That's always nice, right? Spike was just kind of... The shower scene. Yeah, yeah.

Spike was kind of a douche. Oh, man, I don't know. You walk into a bar and you use, you waste, or you take up a seat at the bottom. with your fucking motorcycle helmet who does that the guy needs to get fucking punched some big fucking motorcycle dude comes in and says hey man I mean come on Spike

give me a give it a break I don't know all right move on I don't have too much more to say I yeah it was kind of in the middle I did like the the makeup on the on the bad guy okay like he's as he like continued to deteriorate that look

pretty good. I liked his character throughout the whole thing, actually. He did a really good job. And then, yeah, that getting sucked into the movie thing was really creative. I like that. Yeah, it was wasn't bad.

You know who else was a shitty character? Who's that? Her father. Oh, yeah, the dude from Magnum P.I. He didn't give a fuck about anything she said until she got arrested. And he was like, maybe I should have listened to you more. right

but he didn't but he didn't all right scores on this one Brian what do you think I give it a five it was just kind of right I thought you might

yeah Lance three three yeah it's not two it's kind of fun right because it's cheesy but

it's it's a three guys come on get real I didn't hate it I'm gonna go I'm gonna go five also I figured okay All right.

I mean, I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it. Yeah. All right. I'd watch it again. Yeah, I'm not mad that I watched it. Yeah, I'm one and done on this one, baby. Now, Innocent Blood, that's another story, right? I'll watch that, you know, over and over again.

Innocent Blood was way more fun. I watched that one directly after this. Yeah. It caught my attention a lot more. Absolutely. All right. As always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another. episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at

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