The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #480: Contracted (2013) & Together (2025)

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

Pedro joins us to take another trip into body horror. Cool of the week includes Eddington, The Talisman, and Chief of War. Trailers are Cold Storage, Shelby Oaks, and HIM. The Youtube spotlight shines on Colby Does Horror. And we get feedback from Jeff Bailey, Ray Luis Ruiz, Jonathan Lindsey, and CineDump. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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Welcome back to the horror returns. I'm Lance. With me, as always, we've got Bruttle Brian. Philip, fabulous Philip is family shit. I don't know. Family Philip this week. about that but we do have popular Pedro with us there you every time Pedro comes on the show our our download numbers go through the roof so

what's going on Pedro has how's life in LA oh it's been it's a little hot today summertime here in LA you know crying about being in the mid 90s which I know a lot of people around the world are probably stopped at me for that's okay for all for us that's pretty high and yeah you guys called me and it's like you fills out Do you want to tag in? I'm like, of course, you know, let's do it. So here I am filling in. I'm in the Chubacassi today for Phil.

And I was actually going to go watch weapons after work today, but I found a screening later on tonight, so I'm going to go hit it up after this show. It's one of my most anticipated of the years. I was about to watch it on opening night. So we'll see how it goes. Yeah, some people are getting good reviews. Yeah, some people are calling it a new classic.

So I hate it when they do that. They say that all the time. They say that all the time. They said that about together and we'll get to that one. I mean, I like together. Spoiler word. I liked it. But I mean, it wasn't.

The hyperbole was on an all-time high with that one, which is put it that way. All right. Well, we'll see how it goes. So one thing's for sure, man. You've joined us enough. You know how the format goes. So what's your cool of the wheat? So

Let's see here Well I watched the naked gun Have you guys seen the naked gun? No I want to though I am behind of the theater Let me make a note I got to check that one out Was it as funny as you

It was funny it was funny It was funny I think I don't know how much it'll connect With kids You know that are way way younger than us The cool demo as they say but for people like me and you, our generation,

we grew up on those parody films, you know, the sucker brother films, you know, the record that they did the top secret and, of course. And hot shots part one and part do. Part due. You know, so, and of course, the original naked gun with the great Leslie Nilsson, you know.

Sure. So these films, you know, we know what we're walking into, right? I mean, it's, it's, it's, and I love that, we do. That's right. The younger generation is not used to these kind of films. And so I knew that. I walked in there and I had a big old smile on my face the whole time. A lot of the, a lot of the jokes are in the trailer, to be fair.

But, you know, they still, they still hit because you got the context because you got the story, you know. And as the wrestling fan, it was nice to see Rhodes in a very, very funny cameo. He was in there. So yeah, so I had a good time watching that. And I recommend it. Quick 75 minutes, you know. If you're for the older people that have a very active bladder, you know, you're in and out in 75 minutes. And yeah, it was a fun time.

So it was a good movie theater experience, right? Like everybody was laughing along. Everybody got the jokes, right? Yeah, everybody got the jokes. It was an older crowd. And, you know, props to a, what's his name again? The new. Oh, Liam Neeson.

Liam Neeson, because he ended up roping up Pamela Anderson in real life from what I understand. I think so. I think so. A drink to him, even though we're not on YouTube. And you can't see me take a sip out of my beverage. Yeah, so I watched that. Now, I do have an uncle of the week. I know from time and time we throw those in there.

Right. Lance, have you watched the, I don't know if you guys talked about it. I do, I did listen to last week's show, and I don't think you guys talked about it, but they have the remake or the retelling or the bastardization of the world of the worlds. Have you seen the- God. Brian's seen it. We've lost him here temporarily. Okay, when he comes back, I'm definitely going to ask them.

Okay, y'all need to talk about that together. Zero on 10. Zero on 10. No, it can't be that bad. No, it was bad. Lance. You need to watch this. Wait for Brian. Wait for Brian. Because he saw it. Well, okay, did you see Eddington?

That's the question. Okay, what did you think? I need another viewing. It's in my top 10 of the year. No shit. And it's not for everyone, as you know, because you saw it too. It's not for everyone. It's very political.

And it's very much, some of it is, your face. Some of it is very like passive, subliminal or whatever. Okay. But I love that, especially that third act that just goes haywire, man. Like, it has a lot of good twist and turns,

right? For a movie that's very that has a very straightforward linear, which we thought from the trailer, right? So let me tell the folks just what the trailer is and then I'm going to be like, because it's not that. Okay. So you see the trailer and you're thinking this is going to be a dark comedy

about a sheriff who's trying to be the mayor because the sheriff has pretty simple because the sheriff has very conservative views and the mayor is very progressive and so and so it was going to be almost like a wacky Cohen's Brothers movie where like a lot of calamities you know but the main story is the race to the mayor

right more lighthearted right it's not that at all like that's probably like the first That's probably the first hour of the film. Right. It just gets, it just gets bad shit crazy. Like, just crazy.

And then the third act is like a nonstop thrill ride throughout, you know. I'm not going to get into spoilers because it's still pretty new and people because it should still watch it. Well, yeah, I loved it, man. And you're right. I got to see it again. Yeah. It's a rewatch for sure, right? The runtime is a little discouraging, um, especially in,

hindsight because when I was first watching it I was so into it that I didn't notice the runtime right you're into it you're into it but then as I as I was rethinking about the film I was like well now that I now that I know what happened there's scenes that should have been cut you know there's scenes that really maybe yeah maybe maybe maybe not he threw a lot in there but I think that might have been like I thought the chaos of the time now I'll tell a scene that I thought in hindsight it's a little bit could hit the editing room floor and that's the Austin Butler dinner scene, you know? Well, they did nothing with his character, really, right? I mean, they could have done more or left him out, like you say. So I definitely see where you're going there. Now, he's awesome. Every time,

I had a big smile when I saw him popped up because I wasn't expecting a new pop up, you know? He's a great actor and even here Elvis, Elvis himself. Yeah, Elvis, Dune, you know, you name it. he's in the upcoming cop stealing which i'm really looking forward to checking out okay but uh but uh no it was a great movie what did you think what what was your mind how was it reacting to that third act when you're sitting in the theater and it's like one thing after another uh with with uh with walking phineas character right what are you thinking for okay first of all i did i didn't expect wakim to get that much screen time. I really thought that Mr. Fantastic was going to get more screen time, right? Including a birthday suit shot, by the way, folks. Sure. You got to have that. It's Ariasso,

right? Yeah, I was like you, dude. I was blindsided when we got to that one act. I don't want to say too much, but I almost kind of thought that the end, I was laughing my ass off for one thing and nobody else in the theater was, but here I am in deep red Florida, right? And people are like, what? What's this movie about? And I was laughing my ass off. So I liked it.

I don't know if it was kind of a karmic circling back for things. Or if that was, I don't think Ari would be that heavy-handed necessarily. But I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. What's up, Brian? Me too. And I actually spend quite a bit of time on YouTube,

you know, checking all of these, YouTube, Explain the Ending kind of videos. Of course, I do that a lot. So, yeah, so it was a lot. I got a lot of new information, some new insights from all these people that were analyzing the film. And, I mean, it kind of lined up to what I thought was happening, which is always good. So, yeah, it was a great film.

I give it about eight and a half on ten. I really love that. Top films of the year, Brian Eddington. Have you seen it yet? Nope, probably won't any time. soon. Okay. Well, you guys want to talk,

y'all want to talk to war of the world. I did bring up a film that it's not hyperbole. I told Lance it's a zero on 10. Okay. And that is the remake, retelling

bastardization of the world of the worlds with Ice Cube. Oh, yeah. Like, there is nothing we're doing about that movie, nothing.

And it's so, like, first of all, it's five years old, all right? It just sat there for a COVID movie, right? They made it during COVID. That's why you never see. Somehow they managed to, like, not have two people in the same room at the same time ever in that movie. It's Amazon released it, and it's like an Amazon love fest. Amazon has the answers to, they know how to beat the aliens.

They have everything you need to beat the alien invasion, you know? And it's literally a commercial for Amazon. on Ice Cube is like he's at that bewilder look, like that Marky Mark look that, you know, throughout the entire movie. And it's just like, it was bad. It was a horrible movie. Brian, back me up on this way. I 100% agree with you. It is a horrible movie, but I could not stop watching.

It just got worse as it was going. The acting. Ice Cube must, he must know somebody that was. making a film and he decided to okay i'll do this film for you because he is phoning it in the entire time there's times where you can completely tell he's reading something he's not reciting the lines he's just reading him off a paper oh no yeah and the effects or they Lance you need to watch this movie is it is it so is it so bad it's good no no but but But like Jim Cornett says, like wrestling legend Jim Cornett says,

it has that two dogs fucking on the street vibe where like you're passing by and you can't stop, you just can't stop seeing it, you know? Okay. Somehow this, they got, I think all the money went to Ice Cube and who are Eva Longoria. Oh, that's right. Good cast, get cast. Two people, two people. Yeah.

And a kid, a little kid, right? Like his son or something like that? Who knows what? Okay. Yeah. And he's like the leader of like, I don't know what the fuck they are. But oh, and then they try to throw like a family drama in there. So Ice Cube is like, yeah, Ice Cube is like the he's like the one that that kind of keeps tabs on everybody.

Their phones and everything and they show that he's a creep. But there's an alien invasion and he drops everything. Now this is happening in front of him. It's also one of those movies like, like those boys where everything takes place in a computer. Yes, of course. Sure, sure. So he drops everything. Mind you, an alien invasion, okay?

Okay. And he works for the government. But his kids are going through some shit. And he drops all that to go deal with the kids who have like a, you know, like a first world problem thing going on, you know? It's just ridiculous, man. So this had to be a comedy. It had to have been a comedy. I can't be anything other than a comedy.

It had to be. So, yeah, so zero on ten. That's what I did. Lord. Is it streaming anywhere? Is it out there? It's an Amazon. It's an Amazon.

Oh, all right. I'm putting it on the list. They use Amazon drones. There's an Amazon driver that can fix wounds with packing tape because he's a professional. everything you need Amazon has in that movie. Do they have an Amazon self-driving taxi? No, but they have a Tesla that

that Ice Cube starts up from his little lab that he has. Oh, Lord. Little basement. All right. But yeah, it's one of those movies. Not to watch it or too much? I'm going to watch it tonight. Okay.

Okay. Now, mind you, Pedro is right. it is a zero on 10, but that's not why you should watch it. Okay. I couldn't find anything, man. Like, I was trying to look for something. Nothing redeeming, huh? Nothing.

Because, yeah, remember the old asylum films? Remember those asylum movies? Absolutely. Yeah. Like the Shark Nato movies and stuff like that. It doesn't even have that charm. Like, it has those kind of special effects, but it doesn't have the charm, you know? And it's like, what the hell were they thinking?

Like, I don't know. It's just horrendous. But, hey, it got released. It's like the director binge watch the War of the World movies, and then the next night he watched the, what was that movie with John Cho, searching? Searching, yeah. And he was like, how can I put these movies together?

Yeah, and he used AI. He has Chad GTP or whatever to do it for all. Oh, that makes sense. Okay, all right. Now we know what the future of movies is, right? That's right. So you're cool of the week. Is it Naked Gun?

Yeah, that's my cool of the week, and then my uncle of the week is World of the World of and also Eddington is my school of the week. Eddington. All right, cool. There we go, man. Eddington. I'll go with a book. I had mentioned a couple weeks ago, Brian, that I started reading the talisman again,

the Stephen King book from way back when that he wrote with Peter Straub. And so he's making a third one because you've got the talisman and then Black House, and now he's going to do a third one. obviously Peter Straub is passed away but Stephen King's going to write this one so this was back when Stephen King was like just about to get off cocaine

so it's kind of wild and crazy but it's a lot of fun to read because it's about a boy that goes on a like a fantasy type trip to save his mother who happens to also be a queen in an alternate dimension

and so he can go back and forth between the it's Stephen King and his cocaine fuel bad Man, he's got to share some of that stuff. That sounds pretty insane, man. Yeah. All right. What you got, Brian? Me and my daughter is still continuing on the Conjuring Universe train.

We watched the Annabelle trilogy. Still... Some good. Some good. Yeah, second is still the best to me. The third one's okay. Third one's more like an introductory horror for young kids. Yeah, that makes sense.

The first one, the first one didn't bother me as much as it did when I first watched it. It's just nothing happens for the majority of the movie. Yeah, it was boring. It's just boring. And also, they wrecked the shit out of it in the second one anyway. Yeah. So, like, yeah. What's the point?

Also checked out, like Pedro mentioned, War of the Worlds. And right after that, I watched The Pickup. with Eddie Murphy and... Oh, that's out now. Yeah, it's a decent little action comedy, heist movie. It's a quick watch. You get in, you get out. There's nothing too much to the story.

The only downside it has Kiki Palmer in it, and I hate her so much. Brian, I do not understand. I don't get this, man. What do you have against her, man? Come on. She is the most phoniest extra person I've ever seen. She's here to stay.

She's in a lot of stuff. She's here to stay. So get used to it, man. Got a chance to check out Bambi for Reckoning. Is it already out? It's already out, right? Like, like, you're streaming? No, it was that a, we got a dollar theater,

and they get all the movies that are just about to go out to theater. Oh, okay. Damn. I miss those days. It's exactly what you think it is. I didn't I didn't give it a hard time for the bad CGI reindeer but the only thing that kind of pissed me off was maybe I missed it but there's like no connection to

the whole yeah the overall universe interesting so I don't do any of those mid-credit sequences like they're doing Marvel with the Pooniverse that would be great if Wendy the Poo's show up so in my opinion Bambi, the reckoning, is probably the worst out of the entire franchise. Okay, well, it is what it is, right? They're not exactly like lighting the world on fire, any of them anyway, so.

I thought the Peter Pan one was better than it should have been. It was okay, yeah. And my cool of the week is miniseries that just started on Apple TV Plus, Chief of War with Jason. Oh, yes! That's on my watch list. I'm only one episode in, and I'm already invested in the story because it's based on true events. Jason Mamoa, the character he's playing is eventually going to unite the islands of Hawaii to fight against colonizers.

Yeah, I've been wanting to see this one. Hopefully Jason Momoa as an action star is back And he's not just like making fun of himself Like the fast and furious stuff Oh this is just serious Jason Momoa This is like a passion project for him He's executive producer on it The action scenes are

Violent and brutal And the acting is pretty solid so far And uh Nice I don't know how many episodes are out now I've only watched the first one. I think two or three episodes are out now. And I think it's a mini-series.

I don't think it's going to continue on after it's done. It's not going to overstay it's welcome. No, I think it's going to tell its story and then be done. All right. Yeah, it's on my list. I have to keep a list now, guys, of TV series. And then when I finish them, I take them off the list. I'm just way behind.

I'm just now watching, was it? Ironheart on Disney. I think I'm like... I just finished that one. Two episodes in. Stay where from spoilers. Yeah, I will. Yeah, I'm only two episodes in, so I'll probably get it wrapped up this week.

I will stay away from the spoilers, Brian. Take your advice. Well, nobody's talking about it, so it's not going to be hard to stay away from spoilers. Some people are. Chief of War, huh? Yes. all right so uh i guess that means now it is time for horror headlines brought to you by brian all right uh we're going to start off with some tv news uh goosebumps the tv series has come to an end

but disney plus is not saying it's canceled it's just told its full story which what the hell is that mean is a bunch of a bunch of bullshit because there are many books so it's just them and what I wanted to say they canceled the show that some people are probably interested in soft soft landing type approach I guess huh? Which me and my daughter

were a fan of the first season and that second season we both tapped out after like three episodes did Pete Davidson show up at any point? The second season the first season was Justin Long Second season was David Schwimmer.

Ah, the old David Schwimmer. I was wondering what he was up to. He needed to supplement some of that friends money, huh? So you took this game. Sure. David Schwimmer. Let's see. Eli Ross Hostel series starring Paul Giamani has found a streaming home at Peacock.

Huh. What a weird pairing, Paul Giamatti and Eli Roth for hostile? Yeah, that's insane. He usually does some, like, more high-brow stuff, you know? Right. But we'll see. We'll see. He was good at that.

Go ahead. He was good in that Black Mirror episode. Okay. It's saying here, Paul Gianmani will be a key, we'll have a key role in the series. Is he going to be one of the people that got abducted or one of the killers? That's what I want to know. I could see him in either role.

Is he going to be seduced by a 23-year-old babe in the night? club well he's trying to pay off his debts from he probably got divorced or something you know and i i could see him playing that role oh which one the one that gets seduced by a 23 year old or the that's that's killing because he's got so much money you don't know what to do with oh paul giamani i can kind of see him either or but i i would if i had to put money on it it probably say the one to get seduced okay and then he gets to run over the girl at the end with a car so that's an be good? Yes. Netflix has a

sea creature thriller that is untitled at the time but it is already going into production and this stars Josh Hartnett, McKenzie Davis and Stranger Things Charlie Heaton. That guy's everywhere now, man.

I know. He took about 10 years off. He took 10 years off and then he just came back and made up for it, you know? Right. He's like Pedro Pascal You know It's like just everywhere

Well he did trap So we can't say he's making up for things Oh he's thinking gigs They're not as 30 good gigs Yeah But I still say Put him in a better movie As a serial killer

And he'll nail it Yeah Yeah that movie wasn't entirely his fault Was it There was a lot of A lot of moving parts at play That made that movie a catastrophe There was a lot of nepotism that required service before his performance.

No green M&Ms, right? And I always felt like with M-night, he should, like, I mean, he comes up with a good concept, but I think he should have like a different writer flesh it out for him. Yeah, that's true. A case of Robzombie Idis, huh? Yeah. But he also comes out as a guy that doesn't like to do that. So, you know.

Yeah, exactly. Let's see. Movie news. Was it last week, Lance, we reviewed the trailer for Exit 8, where the guys lost in the movie. Yeah, the video game. A couple of weeks ago. It has been picked up for neon for a theatrical release.

Okay. It looked interesting. Have you seen that one, Pedro? No, I haven't actually. Check it out. Maybe I'll get it tonight with weapons. Who knows? Maybe.

apparently it's based off of a video game Pedro I'm not a gamer so I wouldn't know let's see Margot Robbie is reportedly in talks to star and produce Tim Burton's remake of Attack of the 50 foot woman okay man I've been trying to do that one for years and years and years to the point where I think like Pamela Anderson and her prime was attached to that movie

she wouldn't be now i don't think no no Jamie get Jamie Lee Curtis there you go she wouldn't do it either let's see and finally we're going to end on

john krasinski is officially back to right and direct at quiet place three and it gets a release date of July 9th 2027 yeah it's a couple years from now so we'll see

you get excited And then you look at the day, like, oh, fuck. I know. Philip always talks about that. Yeah, it was one of the trailers we're about to talk about. I was like, this looks pretty good. And at the end it said 2026. Yeah, I noticed that too.

Yeah, but it's interesting because he actually hasn't written any of them. You know, contrary to popular belief. He just directed the first two. And then, but now he's actually going to write and direct the third one. We'll see how that comes out. And I think by this point, it's going to be interesting because the stories, now they know how to kill these things, right?

The little girl found out how to kill them. So now it's going to be more, I'm sensing it's going to be more of like getting a group of people together and starting to fight them off, you know? That's probably going to be one of the stories. Probably more action in it than the other two. Hopefully. I don't know if what's his name,

killing Murphy comes back for it, though. Hopefully, I mean, Right. But he's kind of blown up after Oppenheimer. Mm-hmm. No pun intended, huh? But you know what? But you know what? Then again, he is coming back for those 28 years later, see what, as well.

At some point, right? They confirm he's not the zombie. No, but it's available to me now. An honest movie guy has it, so I'll have to check it out. It's become quite divisive. I've noticed that, yeah. It's like either people give it a two or a nine or a ten, you know? Really weird.

What'd you think about it, Pedro? I'm like in the middle. I enjoyed it. But I also, I was expecting more, you know? I was, it just to me, it just didn't mean my expectations because I had expectations going in. So once they didn't sink in, I mean, it was, I just felt a little overwhelmed. But I also appreciate what he did, you know, the, the, movie looks great, especially the bridge scene, you know, when they're running away from,

from some of the whatever, range people or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So I appreciate what he did, but it just didn't really connect with me, you know, and I don't think I'll ever see it again, you know, because it does drag a little bit. It's very slow in the beginning. So, yeah, it just wasn't what I was expecting. But that's not necessarily his fault, you know, so that's where I'm at.

So I give it about a seven, seven on ten. Oh, you're toward the higher end of the spectrum then. That's good. All right. That is the news. All right. You know what that means, Pedro? It's time to take a little trip down to the trailer park. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first new trailer tonight, Brian? The first new trailer is the movie I was talking about that doesn't come out

Until next year, I don't know why we're getting a trailer for it now, is Cold Storage directed by Johnny Campbell and stars Joe Keri, Georgina Campbell, and Liam Neeson. Yeah. Start with Pedro. It looked like a run-of-the-mill. You know, we've seen this movie a thousand times. Now, what was interesting about this movie is that I'm seeing the first,

I don't know, the first 30 seconds, and I'm like, here we go. Same old fucking plot. Right, right. either a virus or whatever you want to call it is killing humanity you got a bunch of people or whatever and then now they have to run away from that threat but then the second half it seems like it's a comedy to me and i was like what like that's weird you know like it had that's new it had like a shift in the middle of the trailer right i don't know if maybe it's like a dark comedy i don't know but uh but it does it i'm gonna watch it of course because i love the genre but it doesn't it didn't seem

like it's introducing anything new that I haven't seen in other movies before, you know? And then Liam Neeson, I mean, he's just kind of taking all these weird parts. You know, he's cashing out for him, you know. So yeah, so that was, that's kind of, those were my thoughts on it. Just kind of stuff we've seen before, maybe even done better, I'm sure. All right, Lance. I guess I'm a sucker for it then, man, because I've, I can't have a lot of fun with it. I was, I like that deer

in the elevator. Like you say, it kind of throws you off, right? It's like, is this going to be serious or a comedy? And then you have the people that are talking and all of a sudden they explode and people like... I think it went more towards comedy because like you said to see him with the deer.

He's like, is that a fucking deer taking the elevator? I don't know. It looks a little different. It looks like a little bit of a twist on the genre. So I'm in. I'm all in. Yeah, so it seems like

is your typical like either people are breaking in or what other trope? Somebody gets sent you to do a job and it's like this storage facility where there's some like experiments being done for whatever reason it got cleared out before our protagonist got there

and then once they get there it's just a game of survival. You know, again, it's stuff we've seen before. Yeah, and it looks like Joe Kerry's playing that character where he probably works at the facility and has no idea what they do there or what goes on. But somehow he's going to tell us everything.

All the rules of the universe are created. You got to shoot them three times, but all in the head. You got to you got to shoot them in the head. Double tap. This, according to IMDB, there is no release date. It is expected in 2026. 2029. How about that?

Come on, 2020. You never know. A lot of chaos can happen. World of Worlds. If that trailer came out in 2020, and it would have said coming soon, it was been five years later. So you never know. You never know. Oh, God.

Ice Cube's acting is so bad. Is it? I kind of got that impression. Like what he's supposed to be shocked? He's like, yeah, yeah. All right. I'll judge for myself. Maybe if Chris Tucker had shown up, it would have spiced it up or something, right?

He should have, Agent Colson. from the Avengers was the damn secretary of defense or some child. Okay. All right. Our second trailer is the official trailer for the Jordan Peel produced movie, Him, directed by Justin Tipping, which I heard is basically like a protege for Jordan Peel. Okay.

And this star is Tyreek Withers, Marlon Wands, and Julia Fox. Lance will start with you. I mean, I'm definitely interested. I'm intrigued by it. I like this trailer because it kind of showed you more of the parts that had some levity to it and character building instead of just bizarre quick flashes of weird shit, right? Like the teaser trailer did. But it did show you some of that weird shit.

So I kind of want to know what's going on. I can't figure it out. And I love a trailer when I can't figure out, like, the exact opposite of the one we just watched. Like Pedro said, we've seen this a thousand times. We know exactly where it's going. We know what the beats are going to be. I can't make any sense out of this. One thing that does concern me, we haven't seen a Jordan Peel movie in a while.

I hope he's not going that. I hope he's not James wanting us. He's working on one. He's working on one. I'm ready. Okay. Yeah, but yeah, I'm all, I'm in on this one. I'm looking forward to it.

The last one, the last one that he gave us had Kiki Palmer in his soul. There you go, Brian. Full circle. Dropped a couple points on that my score. Then they're going to have her Akira bike slide in that movie. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, same thing like Lance said. I mean, it looks interesting, right?

The visuals look pretty good. I think it's going to be one of those like like the athletes as they're sort of the devil. You would think so, but I sense a twist. Because I think it's a common thing with young athletes, right? And they go into this world that they're not prepared for and they get bombarded with all kinds of stuff

that just makes them really stress out. And I think visually we're going to get a representation of that with this film. So I think there's going to be a lot of like abstract visuals and stuff like. that, you know, things that are happening that we're supposed to connect later on. Right, right, sure. You know, which is cool. So, so I think if this film becomes like kind of like the, a metaphor of like how, like,

you know, athletes of color get exploited, right? By universities or by the pros or whatever. It would be cool. I mean, that's kind of what I think is going to be, but you never know. So, but either way, it's got my interest and, and I'm going to be checking it out. Plus, you know, anytime I see Marlin Wayne's against type, it's always a good time. Sure. Taking it seriously.

What I am scared of is when I was watching the trailer, I had a theory. The scene where you see him go head-on collision with another player and you see like the x-ray of what happens with their brain. They keep pushing that one scene in all the trailers. What I'm scared is everything. going to see is just a hallucination. Oh, okay. Okay, yeah, yeah. That'll be a cop on you.

I'll be disappointed if that's the course. Yeah. Yeah, like that scene happens when he goes head to head with somebody and then he watched the movie and then at the end he's waking up from that play. Oh, man. I hope. I hope. Yeah, I can see, though, where it may be kind of a play out.

They're going to definitely have a message about like the head trauma and stuff like that that these athletes have to go through and how it ruins. their life after. Kind of like wrestlers, right? They wear down. All the steroids and all the drugs and all the wild sex on the road and then getting body slammed every night. You know, it wears on a man. The games

changed. They're not even allowed to use smelling salts anymore. I heard about that. I heard about that today. Is there a reason why? I mean, that shit's always worked, doesn't it? They said it masked the symptoms of concussions. Okay.

Huh. Okay. So it's got a waited out so they come back on their own then sure all right him hits theater is september 19th and the last trailer we're going to talk about is shelby oakes from youtube youtube turn filmmaker chris stuckman and the stars keith david not david keith okay brend sexton the third and michael beach. Yeah, I was going to say, this looks interesting. This has, this actually has a very interesting backstory. So obviously, Chris Stugman had, you know, film critic, been around for years. He, he started a go-fund me for this one about four years ago. He was finally to make his own movie.

So he started to go-fung me. His subscribers help him raise enough money and he made the film. Mike Flanagan got a hold of it. He supported him, you know, put a little more money into it. So make it clean it up a little bit. However, there was a point where he was transitioning from film critic to filmmaker where he made an announcement on his YouTube channel where he was like, I'm no longer going to review bad movies. You know, I'm just going to be positive about the good movies that I see. Okay. And it actually, it brought him a lot of like blowback. A lot of people got upset. A lot of people stopped following him because it was like, bro, you're a critic. And it feels like a cop out

It is a cop out I agree with the people That were upset It's like If you're gonna start making movies Now you don't want people To criticize your movies So you're just not gonna do that anymore

So he was on the hot seat for a little bit You know obviously like everything on the internet It blew over But yeah He was on the hot seat for a little bit I don't see him the same anymore I have a hard time seeing his reviews now Just because I know that he's playing it safe

You know Plus now that he's in the business Like he wants to protect his connections you know, he's not going to badmouth other filmmakers because he could be working with him later on. So to me, I mean, his channel is just a waste of time to me now. It's like, I'm not going to learn anything because he's not going to be honest. Yeah.

With that said, the trailer looked good. I'm intrigued. You know, you don't really, it's hard to tell what the narrative is going to be, but it looks creepy. And we'll see how it goes, you know. He's got good backing behind it. So that's good. I think Neon picked it up, right?

Yeah, neon picked it up. his go fund me or Kickstarter, whichever one it was, was the highest amount earned for a horror movie, I think a little over 1.3 million. Damn. And when Neon picked it up and Mike Flanagan got involved as a producer, they added, I think, I think they doubled what he made. Okay. All right. To add some more money. I heard that money's going towards effects and gore and stuff like. that. Yeah, that's a good little budget for an indie film, right?

Oh, heck yeah. More than good, yeah, yeah. And you know what, we can't hate on the guy. I mean, he set out to make a film and he made a film. So good for him, you know. And it looks like it's a mixture of found footage. And because I thought it was a straight found footage movie when I first read about it. But it doesn't, from the trailer, it doesn't look like a mixture, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm intrigued. It looks like there's some mystery involved in there and some supernatural elements. And it looks like, I mean, I enjoy Mike Flanagan's work and he's going to slap his name on here. I'm with it. That's not always a win, though, as we've learned from James. Not always. Yeah. Yeah, James.

Don't let us stay on James. You know, you know who is what you have. Don't blam us. Way before James 1, you know who all started doing that a lot and it wasn't always pretty was Wes Craven. I don't know if you guys remember, but West Kavana... Oh, yeah. He would produce a movie here and there

and it was like, eh, it's not that good. Right, yeah. But he made a little money, I'm sure. Yeah, for sure. You can't hate him for that. What did you think of Shelby Oaks, Lance? It was a little all over the place for me. It's good to hear that backstory.

That's interesting. That adds a lot of color to the, you know, to the story of the film and the legend and all that stuff. But, I mean, quite frankly, I was a little bit confused. I didn't know, is this a missing girl, or is she maybe like a ghost, or did she join some kind of cult? So I guess these questions I'm asking means I'm kind of interested, right? Because they did a good job of masking what's going on. Here's the synopsis. A woman's desperate search for her long-lost sister falls into obsession when realizing that the imaginary demon from her childhood may be, may have been

real. Well, AJ's out. The D word. So she's a good Catholic. She will not watch any movies with me with Satan or demons or anything like that. So I'll be watching this with solo. All right. This hits theaters October 2nd. So now let's go to a listener feedback. All right. This week we shine the podcast spotlight or rather YouTube spotlight on Kobe. does horror. Your channel for all things horror, weekly news, reviews, guest interviews, and more.

Find it at YouTube slash at Colby Does Horror. So that's the podcast spotlight. As far as the feedback regarding the invisible man, Jeff Bailey says, The Invisible Man with Steve Gutenberg. What's up?

I was not expected that. was it better than this poorly reimagined version. Oh, no. In fact, all the invisible bad movies without Kevin Bacon better than this one. So this guy's all over the place, man. I can't promise for that. He puts over Steve Gutenberg and Kevin Bacon. You sure this wasn't a chat, GPT?

Come on, man. Steve Gutenberg, the good, huh? Yeah, the good, man. Okay. As they regarding, Brandy's posse, return so I know what you did it's not possible it's happened happened in the movie okay all right

Ray Lewis Rees try saying that 10 times they better do her dirty and be that free Barrymore screen opening part I'll be mad L o'all okay she was just a closer yeah and also that Barrymore

scene is a classic you know right so so well if it's if it's as bad as the first one that came out a couple weeks ago I don't even want to watch it. Yeah, that was bad. I heard you guys show, and I agree with everything you guys said.

That was a... Because I watched it, too, and it was just bad. Yeah. First world problems, man. And then they didn't even do anything wrong. Yeah. The paranoia of today's youth. And what about that...

The anxiety and paranoia. No, that tonal shift at the end. That was some... Oh, God. That was some world of world's... make level bad right there. They went through what they went through. Yeah. They're having like a yuck, yuck moment, you know, and then they, and then they have that, that, that, that, that, that will come in of like, oh, this wouldn't be happening if all men went to therapy. Okay.

So you're just bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. And, and, and, and then the matter, and I'm not going to say who, because people haven't seen it and we're not in spoiler territory. They're trying to erase us. The very matter of fact, there's a character in this movie that supposedly dies. Right. And there's a throwaway line that states that they don't die. And that's it. We're just supposed to.

And I'm like, wait a minute. Okay. That's weird. But anyways, what a horrible movie. So let's continue here. Regarding the incredible melting man, Jonathan Lindsay states, I saw it on video 34 years ago at 9. and I saw it on MST3K at 14.

Oh, that would be fun. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That would be following those MS3K folks. Sure. They've been around a while, for sure. So it's synodum. What is that, Land Sinadum?

Is that something that? I'm not sure. They posted on our site, Brian. Do you know what Synodump is? I want to say it's another podcast. Okay. Okay. We'll have Danso of Doom.

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I like it. Good. That's cool. Yeah, there's a lot of horror host very unique to their area, right? So I know that... Sure. I think Florida Lance had a guy that was called Paul Bear. Not the wrestler, Paul, not the rest of it, but

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Now time for feature attractions. All right. Here we go. All right. So body horror returns to the horror returns. Our first movie is contracted from 2013. A little trivia. After being drug.

No, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Did I miss my notes of here? Oh, that's the... description, brief description of the film. Lars from Denmark is the one who said y'all need to put that in there. So we did. Our boy Lars. What's up to Lars? Props to him.

After being drugged and raped at a party, a young woman contracts what she thinks is an STD, but it's actually something much worse. Director, writer Eric England, also known for Josie and Get the Girl. Writer director, Eric England, said it was very difficult finding an actress to play the lead. some people didn't want to do it because the pay wasn't good so this is a very indie film I'm assuming some of them thought the content was too bold and they didn't want to be sketchy

and then some of them just had scheduling conflicts they finally found Najara Towson who really wanted to do it even though her agent and reps told her not to and you know what where she had now maybe they were right I don't know this is 12 years ago England sat her down

and warned her making the movie would suck because of the extensive makeups and joke that no one was going to have sex with her after they see the movie. But she said she didn't care because she loves the script so they cast her. What a weird interview by the director. That's passion. Yes. So I didn't have a chance to revisit this because I tagged in at the last minute. But Lance, what do you think of contracted?

A little bit of trivia. Brian, did you realize who the mother was? uh caroline williams yeah did she look familiar to you yeah uh stretch from stancher chainsaw mask yeah texas chainsaw too man i was like that blew me away okay but uh yeah as far as the movie i mean it's not top notch it's it's it's obviously it's a it's a pretty good idea i think it's kind of like it follows a little bit right where it's like kids be carefully, you're going to get an STD or whatever. You know, and then the, it's a lot of cautionary tale stuff, right?

Like, you know, she got drugged, he gave her a drink that had, you know, something in it, and then, you know, they went to town in the car and things progressed from there, right, as they do. So, yeah, it was, it was kind of paint by numbers in that respect. I will tell you this, her doctor, worst doctor ever. he like she's got fucking weird shit all over hoo-ha and he's like uh well your ears are a little bit clogged and i think you might have a head cold go get some over-the-counter and ikewell or something yeah when she when she comes back later uh-huh and he's like dumbfounded of the way she looks

and he's like he keeps asking her do you sure you haven't had sex with anybody else And then he tells her, you need to stay away from people as he keeps touching her with his hands with no gloves on it. No gloves. I didn't even catch that. Yeah, it was kind of Bush League. The acting was definitely community theater level acting, right? Like, nobody really stood up. I kind of felt sorry for stretch there at some points because I'm like, oh, my God. But, you know, it's cool, you know, support independent filmmakers and their vision. That or she needed the money. Let's be real about it. Yeah, it probably couldn't have been much, though, right?

I don't know. Money is money. I remember I saw this one when it came out, and one of the things that I remember back then, and this was way before a lot of, like, kind of like the more progressive ideals that we've have now, but back then, I remember thinking how, like, this is a very, like, in a way, like, anti-feminist film, because this girl gets put through the ringer a lot. You know, and they shame her. Like the doctor shames her.

Like you guys were talking about that scene. Like nobody really believes her of what's really happening to her because her body's changing. She doesn't really have answers. But the entire narrative is that it was somehow her fault because just the way all the characters around her treat her, right? And there's also a lot of shame over her like being a lesbian, you know? And if I remember.

Oh, yeah, I did catch that. I got that. Because Stretch doesn't like that. She doesn't like. Yeah, that she doesn't agree. Yeah, she doesn't agree that. She's having a hard time accepting, I should say, that her daughter is a lesbian. Yeah, she has a scene where she's like, what is that word you always call me, mom, dyke? Yeah, that's pretty on the nose.

So this poor girl is turning into some sort of like creature and she doesn't, she's not accepted for her sexuality. And she gets sexually assaulted in the car, which is not even her fault. And the entire film just puts a lot of shame on her. You know, and I think this is one of those films that if they try to make it like like five, seven years later, they wouldn't be able to because we had a culture. I don't think we had a culture that would accept that. Like it's like, what is the purpose of this film? You know, what are you trying to say here? Because at the end of the, from what I remember, yes, it's correct.

Because you guys just watched it. I don't think nobody gets their comeuppance at the end. I think she just kind of turns into like a creature. you know sure sure that's a weird cut ending there at the end you know right so well there is a sequel there is a sequel to it yeah I saw that but I'm not interested it's not something I'm gonna go out and seek so so I saw it once and yeah I don't remember anything about it I think somehow the guy that sexually assaulted her it comes back somehow does he finally does he finally get his

comeuppance no he's like he's like he's just a carrier he's like Jeff Goldblum and Death Witch won, you know. Charlie Bronson kills everybody except the guy, the perpetrator. Sure, sure. But yeah, so this film, that's what stands out to me is that it was just a very mean movie. And I don't know, I'm at the face in my life.

Back then when I was younger and, you know, more of a rabble, I was like, oh, I like these movies, you know, they're art. But now I'm at the point in my life where it's like, I don't have time for mean movies anymore. Like, just mean, you know, like, like with no redeeming value, you know, and it's like just, and so I feel like this film is like that, you know, like that character gets taken through the ringer for like no reason. There's nothing in her background that tells us she deserves to go through all this with absolutely no redemption at the end. Yeah, she wants to go to college for like botany.

Right. And that's it. You're right, Pedro. Like, everybody around her is fucking horrible. you got her boss when she comes in oh yeah yeah when she claims to have pink eye and then he shows her her eyes and she looks fucking dead he's just like oh then finish your shift and i'll try to get someone to relieve you try not to cough on anybody's sandwich right and then you got her friend who's also her dealer he right he reveals that he's he reveals that he's the one

that sold the roofies to the guy that roofied her. That's right. That's right. Like everybody is horrible around her. Her girlfriend is horrible to her, which I didn't even think they were... As far as the girlfriend's point of view, I don't even think they were together.

I didn't... It just kind of seemed like she was stringing her along. Yeah, I didn't see any chemistry there at all. Just a, what, friend with benefits or whatever? Just a fuck, buddy. I don't even know if it was that, because it seemed like she never wanted to see her. It looked that way.

You're right. It's like, get the fuck out of here. But you know what? It was rough. But there is a subculture of the horror community that really, really likes these kind of body horror films. And if you're into that, give this film a shot. I mean, contracted.

I mean, it's worth a shot. If you're into that body horror where people are changing more and more as the movie's progressing. Because as far as that, I mean, for the budget, I mean, I thought the effects were, we're pretty decent, you know? I mean... Yeah, they didn't overstay it, right? They didn't try to overdo it.

Gross out and stuff like that. So I think if you're into that stuff, check it out. You know, and that's pretty much my take on it. This was my first time watching it, and I was kind of bored. I thought, okay, in the beginning, there's implied necrophilia. And then there's, of course, the date rape scene. and I'm just kind of like, oh shit, what the fuck am I watching? Is this movie about to go there?

Right. And then I was just kind of bored with the stuff and kind of angry at every, like I mentioned, with everybody in the movie. Because like Pedro brought up, like, she, there was nothing told about her character that said that anything mean should have been coming from everybody. and it's just like everybody treated her like shit throughout the movie. Even her friend who apparently was supposed to have some kind of crush on her and wanted her for herself, she was a bitch too, the majority of the movie. Yeah, if it wasn't for her, she would have never got blackout drunk

because she said, I can't drink. Oh, she said, I can only have two shots and then her friend said, okay four it's like Jesus Christ and we've and we've all been there by the way

when it comes to that sure sure we have but I thought the main actress I thought she did okay as far as the movie was going

with what what she had to work with and some of the makeup effects were okay but I I don't know I was just

kind of bored I was looking at my phone for some of the movie uh oh and it was a short movie. Yeah, it was 84 minutes. And not the right people got their comeuppins in it.

And then I can see that. I found out there's a sequel. I just didn't even, after this movie, I just didn't even want to watch the sequel. Kind of let down by it. I know this pops up on a lot of list for like body horror movies. And I was kind of expecting something else with it. And then those two things I brought up that are in the beginning

into the movie. I was just, because rape is always hard for me to watch in these movies. And then the implied necrophilia, I was just like, okay, they're about to go hardcore with the movie, and then it just kind of eases up throughout the movie.

Yeah, it kind of went backwards. All the nasty stuff was in the beginning. But yeah, you're right, Brian. It does have a weird, like, cold following this film. Like, people know about it, you know, and that's probably why I weren't at a sequel. Right. But this is a yeah, like middle of the road movie, you know, I mean, I don't feel guilty for having watched it, but it was just there, you know, movie I'll never watch again.

So now let's go to our ratings. We'll start with Lance. What do you give it? It's not terrible, terrible, terrible, but it's a three. It's a three on ten. It's half of a night swim. Your rating scale always fascinates me. I actually have a bonus pick with you from the other week. Uh-oh. So somebody gave a film a five out of ten. Yeah. And you made the argument that they actually like,

I think Brian gave a film a five out of ten. Right. I forget what film. And you were like, well, Brian, if you hate it that much, why do you give a five out of ten? Yeah, fair enough. Fair statement. But an actual passing grade is a six out of ten.

10 because just because it's a five doesn't mean it's better or it's a spectrum dude i do i do remember this i gave it a five and you were like you said something like you liked it more than you didn't like it and i was like oh five is right in the middle okay true i shouldn't have said that if you'd give it at a 5.25 i think it was i know what you did last summer oh god Jesus But a But a Oh man

Because that's when Lance Broke my mind Pedro Because he gave the movie A one out of ten And then said Yes I did I was entertained

That's right I was entertained At the theater With the crowd Not the movie My mind stopped working For a second And that happens a lot

With Lance's ratings Our minds Just implode a lot of times. But so the thing is, like, a passing grade doesn't start at five. It starts at six. We learned that in kindergarten.

Like, one through five is fail, and six to ten is past. So Brian was right. It was in middle. Just because the five is in the middle of a one through ten, doesn't mean that it's in the middle of the enjoyment. It's still a fail. So, so, I mean,

anyways, that movie fucking sucked anyway. So one out of ten was about right, but you say you hated it, though. So you should give it a zero. Like I did World of the World. Yeah, zero is a strong statement. And then he leaves. Yeah. I don't worry.

All right. Brian, what is your rating? I might have to go with another five. It was just kind of run of the mill. All right. There was a couple of things. I thought were decent. I thought the main girl did did an okay job.

I thought some of the makeup effects were okay. I see what they were trying to do with the story, but it just kind of lost me. And like I said, it just ended up, the character ended up making me mad. And then the ending is just not what I wanted out of it, especially you have so many characters treating her shitty,

and then she turns into this monster. Yeah. Let's get some of these people back. Let's get at least the guy that sold the roofies to. I mean, we're not going to get the guy that gave her the disease. Let's get some of these people. I mean, she got some of them, which the girlfriend, I didn't know. She got Riley, and he was the only one being semi-decent.

No, that guy is a weenie. You're talking about the guy. You're talking about the guy that was simping over her, calling her everywhere, showing up to her job. That's the guy. Riley, right? Was his name Riley? He's a cuck. He's a sim.

Four out of ten. I'll change it. He got friends on is what he did. Yeah, right. He didn't get the message. But she had to pass that virus along at the end, so, you know. That's true. He was a willing.

He was a willing vessel. That's why he was a sim. Like alien. I forget why. Why did she? do that to him? I think it to pass the sickness on, right?

Yeah, I mean, what was the goal? Because nice guys finished last. That's the message of the movie. But what was the goal of her passing the virus on? So he can pass it to someone else. I assume. Maybe I'm overthinking it. Or maybe she thought it would go away.

On 10. I may be giving it too much credit. Maybe she thought it would go away if she passed it on to the next guy. I don't know. You know what I remember now. I remember. Contracted face two picks up with that guy.

Now I remember. Of course it does. Yeah. Yeah. And then he's the one. And then so on and so on. No, he doesn't,

he doesn't have a sim girl that likes him. I forget how he gets rid of it. But does he go to raping spree or what? I don't, I hope not. But I don't remember. But it does, it does revolve around him.

Gotcha. So I'm going to go five on 10 as well. Okay. Fair. Yeah. It was, from what I remember, it was a one-time watch and that, that's pretty much that. Yeah. All right.

So now we're going to go to our feature attractions. See, that's not even on the notes and I remember because I'm a huge friend of the show. There you go, man. There you go to our feature attraction together from 2025. Years into their relationship, Tim and Millie find themselves at a crossroads as they move to the country with tensions already flaring on encountering with an unnatural force trends to corrupt their lives, their love, and their flesh. Director-writer Michael Shanks, also known for the TV show, The Wizard of Oz, which I've never seen.

I had no idea, yeah. Director and writer Michael Shanks, longtime partner, Louis Magnamara, worked for a sex company at the time of filming for a particularly intense sexing in the bathroom stall between Dave Franco and Alison Brie. Magnumara was able to obtain a very realistic-looking artificial genitalia, absolutely free. I mean, they're not that hard to come by. I mean, I don't know where they're making such a big deal. Prostetics designer Levy von Diehlhoeven added pubic hair to make it look even more authentic.

So as your trivia, folks. Anyways, so let's get into this movie together. We'll start with you, Brian, this time. What are your thoughts on together? I didn't know what to really expect outside of the body horror. Was this going to be a straightforward movie? was there going to be some comedic moments to it? And it was a,

I was pleasantly surprised. It was a good mixture of both. I liked the practical effects. I kind of like the mystery of what was going on and the not knowing of what's going on. And what really worked for me was Dave Franco and Alison Brie being real life husband and wife

because it shows in a movie their chemistry. It made it more authentic. like some of the conversations you could tell maybe they had similar conversations in real life and stuff like that and yeah i had a good time with it and the ending was fucking weird i wasn't expecting that and what's his name i forget to act his name uh always plays charles manson oh i can't i can't think of it man

He brought a sense of like one minute he was kind of straightforward with things and then he got he turned a little creepy there all of a sudden. So I like the added performance of him because there's not really too many characters really that you deal with throughout the movie. Right. And so, yeah, I had a good time with it. Okay. Lance, what about you? I like the concept a lot. you know, with the pool and the water.

I kind of like that little intro where they showed the dogs, and then, you know, that guy was walking down. I got a thing vibe there, right? Like the dogs with the movie The Thing. And so I thought that was kind of cool. Now, I'm not, I don't totally get it. Why wouldn't James Franco want to have sex with Alice and Bree? Did you all?

I think that was more because of an anxiety thing. No, I think that was more because. the relationship was dysfunctional already and also he had that trauma of his parents dying which you know it's stuck with it. I didn't spoil shit right that I didn't fuck. We're not, that's not spoiling I don't think.

Do you mind? It's I mean, I think it's part of the narrative but anyways. Um, so so he was dealing like he had a lot of trauma when it come when when he went to when he moved out to the country. So, um, yeah. So I mean it was it was just common things that guys go through, you know, when they're going to a lot of stress.

I just, Yeah, I took it as like they're having some issues in their relationship, and it's just kind of making him not want to, his head, his head's not in it. I get it. Yeah. No, okay, that makes more sense. Yeah, no, I like the opening sequences because when they were with their friends and stuff, I got a vibe that it was like real, you know what I mean?

I don't know how to describe it. It just felt like it was real friends, like together at the house. And I guess you go, now that I know they're actually married in real. life. Now I understand the chemistry. I thought the ending was was beautiful. I really love the way that it ended. I thought that was a really cool way because that is not what I saw coming at all. But I don't want to talk about that too much until spoilers. Yeah, we'll get to spoilers. Yeah, there's some symbolism there for sure. Right. Current hot button topics, no doubt. I do have a lot of questions about the ending, which I'll get to the spoilers and also how this whole thing works.

which I'll get to in spoilers. But as far as the characters, I will say this, everything that led to like the, a lot of the disconnect with the couple, that was Dave Franco's fault, man. This guy was like passive-aggressive. He was a weeny.

Since the movie starts where they're talking about moving to the countryside, and you could, he doesn't want to. And it says right as, as 50, percent of the relationship to say I'm not comfortable with this, right? Because either you either you speak up or you or you accept it. But he doesn't do that. He's, he's pouting the whole way. He's moody. Yes. He, you know, he's throwing a lot of like little indirect shots at her.

And all she's trying to do is make it work for both of them. And I just, he was pissing me off from the first five minutes of this movie. Yeah. It's a, it's a two-hour drive to the city for my gigs, but I guess I can just take the train. Yeah. He was, And then he gets mad at her because she can't take him the whole way because you know what? She's got to work. She's the one that's bringing home to bread. Yeah, imagine that, right? You're over there with your hobby trying to make it in a band when you're 35 years old.

And, you know, he's mad because he gets to, she's going to take him as far as the train station, you know? Yeah, he was such a flaccid weeny. He was almost like, was it Skeed Ulrich in the McAvoy movie, Brian? that was such a pansy. Was that the... You know the one I'm talking about, the remake of the Danish movie? You mean Scooter...

Scoot... Scoot McLeary. Yeah, yeah. Scoot McAvoy was the Alphi. I messed up my names. Okay, all right. I messed up my names. I was like, Skeet O'Rick was in a movie?

Yeah, hey, sorry, Skeet. No harm intended, man. Don't sue us. If you're listening, right? but yeah i'm sorry go ahead no yeah so so yeah so so as far as the relationship dynamics i mean he's he's kind of like the villain in this movie the way i see it um yeah but then again you know you could always argue you know she also should have

sensed a lot of that stuff too and but but that's what relationship about you have to communicate you have to talk you have to speak up you know and if you if you don't speak up then start you can go be all passive aggressive on your partner because it's not fair. And you can't really call them out on it because it'll be like, oh, I didn't do shit. And that's kind of what was happening in this relationship. So one of the things that I like about the first act is how well the filmmaker was able to build that tension because, you know, it's especially for people that have more experience

or, you know, older and have been in relationships. You see how like this function of this relationship is when not a lot of dialogue, you know, talked about it. You just see the vibe. You know, you sense the vibe. So I really like that. lot. And then also I like the mystery.

Like, like we don't really find out what's going on in today do. Like none of, none of us really know what's going on. True. At first I'm thinking, and I had to avoid all the trailers for this, by the way,

so I'm also going in cold. And I'm thinking, what is this going to be about? Right. You know, at first I thought, remember that movie, what was it called,

honeymoon? Remember that movie honeymoon with a, with John Snow's wife, the real life wife? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where, like, she goes somewhere in the woods and then she gets possessed and comes back. Yes.

Yeah, that was a good movie. That was a great movie. I liked that. So I thought we're heading down in that direction, right? Okay. I'm like, some shit's going to go down. And one of them is going to try to find out that the other one is not really who they are anymore and that shit. But no, it really took me for a ride, especially if they got to the cave.

I'm like, what the fuck is this about? And then shit happens from there that we're not going to get into spoilers. And then, of course, once the one's the other. teacher gets introduced, right? The Charles Manson guy. I knew that guy's role because we've seen this movie too many times. I knew whatever was going to happen, he was going to have a big role in it just because that tends to be the case with these films. Yeah, you've got to follow the formula to an extent, right?

Right. And so once his review came about, I wasn't too surprised. But yeah, I know, I really enjoyed the movie. I did feel was overhyped from like, Like, I think it was one of the film festivals really overhyped it. Because to me, it was like a horror comedy, right? Especially in the third act. It kind of. Yeah, I guess. There was some comedic elements.

Some, like, like, very Sam Ramey, kind of like in the really, really end when they're kind of, you know. And so, which we'll get into, you know, where they're using different gadgets to get out of situations. And that had to me, that had kind of like a dark comedy element to it, especially their reaction to all that stuff. But the first half was really tense and it had a lot of good atmosphere. And then it kind of went more into a dark comedy. But I really, yeah, I like this movie quite a bit. Over hype, but still worth the right for sure.

All right, yeah. Well, well said, I think, you know. All right. So we do ratings first, right? And then spoiler? Yeah. All right. So I'll go first on the rating.

I'm going to go seven and a half on 10 on this one. Okay. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. And I'm going to give it a rewatch, so it might go up. All right. I'm going to go a little bit higher and giving an eight. I had a really good time with it. I like the effects.

I like the chemistry between the two leads. And I just had a good time with it. The comedy worked for me because sometimes comedy is... hard to do in movies, especially like mixing genres, like horror comedies. And I wouldn't call this a horror comedy, but the comedic moments work for me. Yeah. Yeah, makes sense. Lance?

So for me, the special effects and the way that they pulled it off and that last image of the door opening, to me, that pulls it up to a seven and a half. So not a perfect movie by any means, and I think it's a relatively new filmmaker. so let's see where this filmmaker goes from here, you know? Wait a minute, so before that door opening scene, what did you have it at? You had it at a six?

No, I had it. I had it around there. I mean, I like that. I really liked all the special effects at the end. Okay, me too. We'll get into it after. Well, spoiler alert. Yes, let's throw a spoiler alert right here. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned This is a motherfucking Spoiler alert You've been fucking warned Yeah like all the rippling skin and stuff So Tilly

The Tilly creation Because Tim and Millie I guess the internet's calling Tilly That got you to a seven and a half I didn't expect that I thought that was pretty fucking cool I really did I really didn't expect that

I thought they were going to be like a mess like the dogs or whatever, but I guess they finally found their harmony. Okay, so let me start with my questions, because I have questions. First of all, why didn't Charles Manson guy, why didn't he synergized with his partner? I thought he did. Oh, maybe he did. You know what? I thought he was already, I thought that's what it was.

So in the picture, I got a rewatch. I got to rewatch. Because if he looked different in the picture. They both looked a little bit of light. Could be wrong, but I think that was the whole reasoning. why he said my husband died was to cover up the fact that they merged. Right. Pretty pretty smart little movie actually, you know.

Okay, but also why, what was the difference between merging properly, right? Like, like Charles Manning guy did, like, like Philly did. Right. And then merging improperly like the couple that got lost did. Yeah, lost in the cave. Like, what choice did that couple? make that made them look like that, whereas the other couples, they look whatever, however they look. So was it just the acceptance of it? Like, just take it? Like, I don't know. I think so.

I think so. I think maybe the constant fighting did not let it happen and the, yeah, that's what I mean. Maybe they also did the same thing with the saw, but just to a more extreme. Right. Yeah, because that couple that got lost, they were like, it was. It was. just like a monster. They were a mess. Like the dogs, right? At the beginning. Like the rats. Like the rats up in the light. And you can, yeah, maybe it's not accepting it because I can see if it's happening to an animal.

Animal's not going to understand what's going on and going to fight it. And maybe that's the result of what happens. I like that theory. And then another thing that I didn't really like was just how accepting they were of it once they realized what was happening it was like okay it is what it is we'll just stay together from i love you and it was like it's like death you know i guess but they never had a conversation about to resolve all their other issues that they had before all this you know they were not in a happy relationship so all of a sudden it's like well let's just be together because

it was kind of yeah it's kind of convenient wasn't it i think i didn't understand her accepting it so quickly. Him, he seemed like the type of person that all this would have to happen for him to understand how good he had it. Yeah, but he was going to kill himself. And then he changed. So to me, he felt like her happiness was to just be herself. And then he was off himself.

But then they never, then he just doesn't. And he just goes and merges with her. So he has, he has to stop her because Charles Manson. cut her. That's right. He did. He had to merge with her. Yeah.

Wound to stop the bleeding. Right. I thought it was all pretty clever. No, yeah. I'm sure on rewatch it all makes sense. I've only seen it once. And so I'm rewatch, I'm sure, this is a type of film that all the answers are there for you.

You just have to, they're not going to be spoon fed. So, and I, and I thought the cave part was creepy. That would, like, like, just like, you know, when they're all stuck together and you could just feel like that cave is not normal and there's shit going on in there. Yeah, don't ever drink random cave water. Right.

Hey man, they were thirsty. They ran out of water. We talked about Dave Franco being a weenie. He's got no survival skills whatsoever. Like he's like, he's like a sim, the very definition of a sim, man. He's like, he's entitled you know, yeah, he goes

like he starts drinking. He starts drinking from like the breakdown down there with like static water. And then he says, static water. It's okay. And there's a lot of, like you said, a lot of things that she should have noticed about him.

Like even when they fell in the cave, the first thing he said was, I lost my phone. My demo was on there. Then she's like, well, I'm okay too. Oh, yeah. And then you got the proposal. She proposes to him. And he just doesn't say anything.

And then she's just kind of like, oh, okay. And then when she stays, gets up off her knee. He's like, oh, no, no, no, no. Yes. The answer's yes. He's kind of weak. Yeah. He's kind of very passive. True. Yeah, you guys are right. They kind of rushed it at the end there, right? That they got to acceptance way too quickly. But I mean, we had to have a two-hour movie, right? I mean, this couldn't have been a 12-episode miniseries where they slowly develop and grow closer together and stuff. It might have been better.

And the closer together stuff, I really like the scene where, she drives off in the car and he's in the shower and his body's just being pulled to the direction she's going even like in the hallway that was a cool effect all the contorting rolling to each other no yeah the body horror part was

was pretty spot on like Lance said the special effects at the end were really good and then they have that scene in the stall at the school when they start fucking in the stall and his dick walks in his dick gets stuck yeah And then a Charles Manson guy walks in. But he knows what's going on because he sees.

He does. He sees him. Yeah. Yeah. So he knows everything's going according to plan. Right. Yeah. Because was this all by design?

Because of the bell. It seems like, right? And the bell was also at the outside their house. Yeah. I think it was a situation where the bell's there, the whatever, the form. the Guts there and the way like Charles Manson guy sees it and and whomever else is because remember this is like a like a little town with the sequels we might get more people involved in this. It's more like a favor to people that had that run into that stuff. Right. It's not

there's not there's not like this sinister intent of like taking over the world. It's like there people if people run into it. It's a blessing and they got and either they accept it or they don't. That's how I feel they see it. So it was just one big accident. Had they not fallen into that cave, none of this shit would have happened. Yeah, it wasn't War of the Worlds, right? Or name the Triffins or Okay. So, no, but yeah, I thought that film was pretty clever,

and it really, yeah, it's worth the rewatch for sure. Anything else to add, Brian? No, that's it. All right, cool. Well, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. You can catch us at thehorrorreturns.com or email us at the horror returns at gmail.com.

Next week, Pedro will be back because we're going to check out the highly anticipated, I guess, follow-up to Barbarian, right? Same filmmakers? From what I'm hearing, it's in the same universe. Oh, even that, okay. Okay. And another thing that's got my anticipation of,

I read a story that Jordan Peel wanted to buy this movie. Okay. And put Kiki Pobb. as the Julia Gardner role. Brian would love that. He wanted to buy this movie and his manager could not secure the deal and he fired his manager over it.

Damn. That's fucked up. Fucked up. That's, you know, good, I guess. I mean, I don't know. What are you going to do? You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm going to go watch it right now. It starts in about 40 minutes. My fear is about five minutes away.

the only thing is that it has a two-hour runtime and I'm like two hours for a horror yeah no actually it's two hours and eight minutes I checked the emc app right now all right so it's kind of a long movie for a horror movie so we'll see okay so I got to ask you guys have either one have you ever seen a little sketch show I don't know if it was on if it's just a YouTube thing or if it was on a channel it's called the widest kids you know you know you never heard any of the sketches that was that correct He got started with that before Barbarian, but it's really good, man. It tackles a lot of awkward, awkward social situations and uses like historical characters

in ways that kind of twist the way we remember them being at our history classes and stuff. So check it out. It sketches, so each one's like, you know, maybe five minutes. So look for the widest kids you know if you want more Zach. Zach Preger, that's his name, right? And he's going to get right, he's in pre-production for Resident Evil, so he's going to give that a shot now. Okay, let's stick with weapons.

He's built all this equity for him to fuck it up on Resident Evil would be a tragedy. It's been done before. That's true. We're also checking out 2008's The Children's. So Pedro, until the horror returns again. Good night.