The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #481: The Children (2008) & Weapons (2025)

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

Pedro's back to talk some out of control kids this week. Cool of the week includes Alien: Earth, Varsity Blues, Texas travels, and Parasomnia. Trailers are No Me Sigas, Dream Eater, and Traumitika. The YouTube spotlight shines on Death Curse Club. And we get feedback from Randy Andy, Kindla Zeno, Pat Caruso, Thunder Twonk, and Collin Millington. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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I'm Lance. With me, as always, you got the co-hosts Brian Phillip and our other co-host, Pedro. What's up, guys? Another day. So. Pedro was talking about the Friday the 13th short that he watched. No, I haven't seen it yet.

I just literally found out it was available today. Okay. Okay. All right. Because Brian, I was telling them that I found out it was available today. I would have asked you, like, if you wanted to put it on the schedule for today, since it's only 13 minutes, you know. But I didn't know into right now.

But I'm pretty excited for it because it is canon. So how was it? No spoilers. It was decent for a short. I mean, there was that Angry Orchard product placement in there. That's right. A little collab in there. There was some good gore. You got to pay for it.

I thought in context, like I said before, I didn't like the look of the mask. But seeing it in the short, it kind of worked for me. And that's a Greg Nicotero mask, right? Yeah. Okay. And it ended on a cliffhanger. Of course. I don't know if they're going to do any more or if this leads into actual movie that they're talking about making.

Yeah, I don't know where I stand with all this. I feel like there's too many suits involved. It reeks of like corporate, you know, interventions and stuff. The Jason universe, come on. You've got to be shitting me with that name. And I know that the agreement is that everybody has to agree on everything. all parties involved and it's like you know you know what kind of a nightmare

that's going to cost getting all these egos involved and stuff like that so we'll see but I'm not I don't have high hopes for it who are all parties involved well well there was a big lawsuit with I think Victor Miller and Sean Cunningham they were they were fighting for the rights

for a long time and I never found out with the outcome ones I just know that I think the outcome was like you all working out within yourselves and you know whatever it is just make sure you all agree on shit. And I'm like, these people suit each other. You know, like, how the fuck are they going to agree to like whatever, you know?

And so now we'll see what happens. But then all of a sudden they came up with this Jason Universe thing. Maybe like, I don't know, like at the beginning of the year. And it's been little things have been being rolled out, you know, periodically throughout the year. And to me it just seems like- Mostly just merchandise. Yeah, it's merchandise. Of course.

Of course. The wild orchid thing with the beer. stuff like that you know very corporate shit is what concerns me um so i'm talking about making a new movie and i think they got kane hotter to kind of be like the spokesperson but i think he's too old to actually be jason now so i think the guy that was playing him in the short is the guy that signed on to play them in whatever movie they make yeah he's a he's a young guy i seen a picture of him so yeah so we'll see what happens i don't i don't have high hopes for this i think it's all going to end up being a big mess.

But, you know, there's rumors that they want to do like a multiverse of Jason in the movie. Oh, boy. Which would be weird. Yeah. Like, like D.C., right? With all the stuff they're doing. Well, the thing about the Jason stuff. Because you guys were talking about how you guys didn't really cover the Jason movies on here.

But the thing about the Jason timeline is that it's all fucked up. You know, so it almost seems like they want to say that every, Every person that has played Jason represents a different universe within, I don't know, it's just weird. Okay. Well, you know, that's one way to do it, I guess, right? Yeah, so we'll see what they do. Reboot the whole thing. Well, they try that in 2009, you know?

They already tried. They went down that rock already. I don't even remember that one. That's when he was a pot dealer. That's right. When he had the pot farm. Oh, that one. Yeah.

And he was saying booby-tas. Yeah, the guy from Supernatural was like the main guy. That's right. That's right. The pretty hair one. Boy. Yeah, because we had him in one. And then we had the other one in the other, the 3D remake.

Okay. My Bloody Valentine, the same year. It was a two supernatural guys. That's right. Okay. Yeah. My Bloody Valentine remake is actually pretty fucking good. Like, it's really good.

It has Tom It has Tom Atkins in it And it's a really good movie The Friday of 13 remake Yeah not so much It's okay I guess It has one of the longest Like cold openings ever

Like it's like a 20 minute cold open And then you get hit With the cast credits like 20 minutes in But yeah But we'll see what they do I mean Like I said It reeks of corporate

You know But I'm still gonna be there I'm a big Friday of 13 mark So we'll see how they We'll see how they play it off All right. So Brian, was that your cool of the week, man? The 13th short? I'm going first. Let me go through a couple movies real fast. All right. Candidate for top three worst movies I've seen all here.

No, no, where are the worlds? We talked about where are the worlds last week. I got another one. Yeah, that was bad. But it's so bad you need to watch it. Bad. Well, yeah, I'm going to have to. I need the bottom 10 list because we got some. Which I just read it's officially not. Runners for the top 10. It's officially not 0% no more on Rotten Tomatoes. It is now a whopping 4%.

Ouch. Oh, wow. Coming up in the world. I feel like Lance saw it and he went up there and he gave it a good review because that's what he does here. Six. Leprechaun the beginning has nothing to do with the other leprechaun movies. Oh, no. Is that one just come out?

Yeah, it's from the studio that brought you Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey, but it's also not a part of that either. Huh. The Pooniverse. I'm not part of the Pooniverse. It is by far the worst movie I've seen all year. Worse than War of the Worlds? War of the Worlds was so bad.

I was locked in. Okay. I couldn't believe I was watching this. I couldn't believe people filmed this and said, yes, put this out. Isn't it like Ice Cube in that or something? Yes. I, Ice Cube literally reading the teleprompter as he's acting.

That you're going to get that. Yeah, we talked about it last week. It was the old dogs fucking on the street thing, right? Where it's, you just can't keep your eyes off it, even though it's bad. And so, and so, yeah, but you're saying Leprocon is not that at all. No, it is, you can, I jumped on the grenade for everybody. do not watch this movie. Right. The guy that plays the leprechaun,

I don't know what accent he's doing. Not Irish? I don't know what it is, Lance. There was a second I looked at my daughter and I was like, is he going to do it? Is he going Borat right here? Because I thought he was going to say, very nice. The leprican? Yeah. And then nothing. Nothing happens for a majority of the movie.

Like, there's characters introduced. and then I completely forget about them. Something I never do. I never get up and leave the room and not pause the movie. This one, I didn't give a fuck. Oh, that's rough. That's rough, man. That's a candidate for top three.

All right. I saw another Mickey Mouse adaptation, horror adaptation, Mouse Boat Massacre. Yes. Yes, what'd you think? Probably the best one I've seen so far. Okay. All right.

Of the two Mickey Mouse movies? Yeah. Of the three. Of the three. There's three? I think there's like five now out. Really? Man.

This one was bad, but in a fun way. It had some gore, a lot of practical effects. Lance, there's some TNA in there for you. Some fake fire, some stuff. CGI fire. That was pretty hilarious. If there's anything you need and Mickey Mouse They do a ring thing in this where there's a videotape of like an old

Steamboat Willie Mickey Mouse episode. That's actually not a bad reason for having the movie. Yeah, so. I had fun with it. They're stupid, but this one was just kind of dumb and a fun way. And then I checked out.

a newer movie that just came out. I think it came out last week called a shaman. Yeah, okay. I heard about that one. It's essentially the exorcist, but with the shaman in Ecuador. You got... You got missionaries coming to Ecuador,

you know, bringing their religion. Oh, man. And then they bring their son with them. Their son, of course, has to go investigate in the cave. things happen. Right. And it's basically you can compare scenes

to the exorcist. Hmm. Ecuadorian demons. Well, that wouldn't be the first or the last movie that's just like the actresses. It's, in my opinion,

it's well acted, it's well directed, it looks good, but it's just, I'm just coming to the point where I'm just not really into these exorcism movies. Then they're done that,

huh? You do a lot of when you watch them, or when I watch them, I do a lot of comparing to the Exorcist or other movies. Okay, well, then you can't be too excited about the new Hellhouse movie, right? Because that seems to be where they're going with that one. Yeah, but I'm curious with them dropping the whole found footage thing. I wonder if that's going to do something for it.

It didn't work for Blair Witch very well. No, I did not. But my cool the week is going to be Alien Earth. Oh, nice. Okay. Ooh. All right. It looks great.

It's not relying on, it's not doing call. I mean, there's callbacks, but the show seems to be more focused on forwarding the mythology of the alien universe. Okay. So far, the acting is pretty solid. The effects are pretty solid. The xenomorph looks pretty good. I was kind of, you know, hoping that it would look good, you know, being this, being on television. But it looks really good.

Cool. I was hope. I'm hopeful for this one, Brian. Is it going to be eight episodes or 10 or do you know? I can check real quick. Hopefully it doesn't overstay its welcome, right? I think it's neither eight or 10. Okay.

That'll work. But, yeah, I like to. It's introducing new alien creatures. And I like what they're doing right now. And this alien, this xenomorph is just not stabbing you in the head with its little mouth. It's like tearing people like limb from limb, ripping people in half. And it's all on screen? Most of it.

And it's R-rated because they drop some F-bombs. okay that's good TV kids fight it on Disney plus what part of the timeline is that is that like before Alien or in the middle or when are we talking about here I'm not sure Whalen Utani is still a thing

but they introduce a new company called I think Prodigy they're like their direct competition Oh okay So I think in the I think it's past Alien All right Sounds like they're doing some pretty good world building then, keeping it going.

Seems to be canon so far, Brian? Yeah. All right, good. But is canon to the alien, not that, because alien, the alien, the alien predator movies are not canon to anything. They're their own thing. Yeah. They are fun, though.

Some, some of them. Because, what was the one that, what's his name did? The prequel that contradicted alien versus predator. That's right. Oh, pray? No, no, no, the, the, the, the, the, the, the really Scott one. Oh, Prometheus. Philip?

This is your territory, Philip. I like Prometheus. Yeah, Prometheus contradicted the Alien versus Predator canon because they, they hadn't been invented, or they hadn't been created yet by Michael Fassbender's character. So it's a big mess. Oh, well, just like, always that. Friday the 13th, just like Halloween. Yeah, we're going to have a multiverse of aliens. too pretty soon.

Yeah. Lance Sandrick's going to get a bunch of pay days, you know, pretty soon. That's a good, that's a good cool of the week, Brian. I meant to check that out. I'd forgotten the two episodes premiered. Yeah, if you got Hulu, they're going to be same day as FX on Tuesdays. So two episodes are out now, and then it'll be weekly. Okay.

Ooh, I may wait to binge that one. No, but you don't want to get spoiled either. That's the problem. That's true. That's the eternal problem. Especially if there's like new aliens. That sounds awesome. Yeah.

Just, yeah, be careful of spoilers because everybody's talking about how the Rotten Tomato score. This is like the best thing since the original. So it's going to be a lot of people talking about it. All right. Well, then I guess I'll have to catch up.

Yeah, because is that, is that the showrunner, I forget his name, but he always supposedly, yeah, supposedly he always makes good shows. Yeah.

I haven't seen a lot of his shows. Fargo. You haven't seen Fargo? Oh, I've seen Fargo. Yeah, he does Fargo and he did, what was that one with, what was that one? Yeah, I haven't seen the X-Men one. And then, yeah, he's done a couple other ones that I've got in great reviews that I haven't seen. But I did see Fargo and that's a great fucking show.

Yeah, every season is strong, I think. Yeah, when you see the credits, like his name is all. all over written by produced by did he do a cartoon of himself like James Gunn did for creature commandals no you know you know you know they give him a lot of shit over that and he was like oh the production team surprised me with that I didn't even know that was gonna be on there and everybody's like

come on though you know because you know it's very statistical of him to draw himself as a cartoon and put himself created by James Gunn and he's there kicking back in a chair or whatever, you know. But he said it was the production team that did it as a surprise. So they're essentially kissing his ass then. So it's the same shit. Yeah, either way.

I guess he can throw it in there if he wants to. Yeah, that's true. All right. All right. You got it, Philip? Yeah. Go for it, Philip. I'll jump in.

Go for it, man. Not particularly exciting. although I did watch varsity blues last night yeah fucking fantastic movie a tan it holds up wow I don't know if it holds up that much

but okay no but yeah it was it was a great one and then I rewatched uh Kandahar because I forgot that I had watched it it's a Gerard Butler uh

I've seen CIA Escape for Man Afghanistan thing. Yeah. It takes it about an hour to get going. But once it gets going, it's pretty good. Slow start, okay.

Yeah, super slow start. But not a bad movie. And that's all I got. So what is it? Kandahar or varsity blues. Oh, fucking varsity blues, dude. Okay.

Great movie. Great movie. One day, Philip's going to pick a horror movie for the cool of the week. I know. I promise. Pedro. I haven't been doing a lot of movie watching because I've been traveling.

Actually, I was just in Houston. I went to go see the Astros. Okay, cool. Knock that team off the list. And then I drove over to Dallas to see the Rangers. Oh, nice. I've not. Yeah, I got a twofer.

And I mean, every time I go to Texas, I mean, you always trip on, like, the things that are, like, unique to Texas. Like, for example, they have, like, multi-million dollar football stadium for high schools. Like that's, it goes my mind. Like, that's true. Like football such an institution there that, that you have, you know, like, I guess they have a lot of parents that chip in and, you know, they raise money to build these, these incredible stadiums that that look like a professional stadium. Like, you're there like, but this is not, this is for a high school. Like, then the high school's like down the street. And I'm like, God damn, like nobody has this except like certain towns

in Texas. Yeah, we got a whole new high school being built. right now. And my son is a freshman. So I'm stoked about that. I think we should have a new stadium in my next year. Yeah, they're nice. There you go. There you go, Petrus. They're a work of art. I mean. And

then, yeah, I mean, the people in Houston were amazing. I mean, a big Latino population, which I was not expecting, like, because I went to the game. Just everybody was so upbeat. And it's a beautiful stadium. I mean, I don't like the Astros for what they did to us. But

hey the stadium you can't hate on that stadium it's it's nice it's very um like intimate um and uh and so i had a good time doing that and then i took the drive up to dallas dallas is a little different it's it's more what people would think texas is you know what i'm saying like the stereotypes of texas i would say uh very rich like you see like these little rich communities uh of like investors and oil people and whatnot the thing that i that trip me up north dallas yeah exactly Exactly. The thing that trim me, the reason why I rented a car, because I could have always taken the bus or the train up to Dallas. But I went to Arlington about a year ago.

And they have no public transportation, which blew my mind. Like, like, the community there doesn't allow public transportation because in their mind, it brings a lot of crime or whatever, whatever. Whatever, you know, when I went to get to that and they have. But I was like, every time I need to go two blocks, I got to get an Uber. Like, what the fuck? That's that, you know. Hey, they do. They do have a little transit system that goes around the hotels and six flags and the stadium.

Okay. If you were staying at a hotel there, you're in luck. I was staying in Fort Worth that last time I went. Oh, yeah. So I had to Uber it everywhere. And as you guys know, like the Dallas blocks are like miles long. They're like, it's Texas, man. Come on.

Yeah, exactly. That's the problem. Everything is so spread out. Yeah, especially there, that area. And so I ran in a car this time And I had a good time Because now I had access to like the roads and stuff But I just couldn't believe that man

I'm like I've never seen like a city like Arlington Which is pretty big and it has all the sports teams There's no buses or trains like you're like you just got crazy huh Yeah and they're like now we don't want any kind of crime coming here So we always vote for it But I'm thinking what about people that are struggling that have a job Like how are they doing it you know because they have to commute like are they are they getting ubers every day like i don't know it's just what an interesting

situation i had never experienced that yeah but i ran a car and it was all good and then again people people in dallas are also very nice um i was there at the rangers game and then somebody just randomly gave me like a shrimp cocktail like they just bought they had two of them they were big um and they just say you here we have an extra i'm like okay like i'm not going to say no to a shrimp wow okay and it was was one of those cocktails that they it was it was uh they put the the the shrimp and there's like beer it's like a like a whole you know invention there so it was yeah that was probably twenty fucking dollars man oh it would it had to be more than that it had to be more than that but those people

were all they were just happy to be there um all right so so that's kind of cool of the week yeah traveling um i also i also got to go to uh alana really quick to watch the braves that was about two weeks ago. That was a little, I mean, I know, I know they're both kind of red states, but Atlanta's just from, because I'm from LA. I'm as progressive as it gets. So it's a little intimidating, you know, walking into like, because Atlanta is like a lot of like. Culture shock. Yeah. Yeah. And it's also a lot of like, like African Americans there. Like a lot, right? Right. So where the to the point where there's whole neighborhoods with there's nothing but African American. So I stand out. So I was walking and then, you know, you get the looks, right? And it's normal. I mean, hey, when you see somebody that looks different, you're going to look. I mean, we all do. So that was a little weird.

But that's no judgment on the people. They were still very welcoming. The food was great. The Braves have a beautiful ballpark. And so, yeah, that's been my cool of the week, just traveling, getting those miles in, you know? So that's pretty much it. And then just keeping up with all these movies that are coming out. But I talked about most of them last week.

yeah true um oh and then i do i do have another so i've also been catching up on wrestling because there's of course i don't know if brian has brought this up but there's a lot of changes coming for wrestling when it comes to the uh the espn thing when it comes to the spn deal as far as the pay-per-views are going to be there now i'm not i'm not paying for it it's on the esp yeah but there's also like you might get it for free though like if you have a cable system that's to the service. That's what they're saying. Yeah, I don't have cable.

And I'm not paying, I'm not paying $29.99 a month to use an app that I'm going to watch a PLE, like maybe once or twice a month. Right, right. And then we heard that UFC is going to leave ESPN. They're going to go to Paramount Plus. Which I don't understand that deal because they're owned by the same company, TKO. but the UFC Paramount Plus deal is there's no extra charge. If you already have Paramount Plus,

you're going to watch all the paper views on Paraly. Yeah, so the pay-per-view business is going to be dead. So if you're a UFC fan, that's good news, right? Because now for 30 bucks a month, if you have Paramount Plus, you're going to get the UFC pay-per-views for free. Which is cheaper than a single pay-per-view. Yes, by a lot, by like 40 bucks. And then with wrestling, because I pay $10 for Peacog.

So it would be like a $20 upraise. I would be paying $30 now. But with Peacock, I could watch other stuff. It's a movie thing. You know, with ESPN, I mean, I'm not really, I don't watch sports like that, you know, to where it's going to be worth it. So I'm like, Brian, I'm going to have to find the pay-per-views through other means now. So it's not hard.

I mean, we could do it. Other means. So if you're a WWE fan, if you want to watch PLEs come 2026, you're going to have to go to ESPN pay for that. If you want to watch Monday Night Raw, you've got to get Netflix. If you want to watch Smackdown, you've got to have Peacock. No, cable,

regular cable, USA Network. Man, that does not sound. If you don't have cable and you want to stream it, they're going to continue to have Smackdown on Peacock. Well, that's right. They put it on the next day, right? Yeah. I forgot about that. Bad news for wrestling fans.

Oh, no, they've been hosting us for a while now. I mean, look at one of the days when you guys have time, just go look at the ticket prices to go to an event. Like, you can't get in, you can't get in for anything less than like $250 bucks now. Like, that's no bleeds. Bam. Yeah, it's just, when TCO

took over, they created all these changes and it's ridiculous, I mean, but there's the loyal fan base. I mean, they're still selling out. They're still drawing money. Like, nothing's changed. You remember the good old days paid draw of the WWE network, only 999?

that's right huh they used to the all right all right remember the good old days when that shit was on TV for free yeah imagine that huh

yeah so but I mean yeah so I've been catching up on a lot of like wrestling summer slam just happened I think AW has a pay-per-view next week there's a triple out show this week so there's a lot of shows

you know they they definitely flood you with a lot of product making sure that you don't have time to watch any of the competition that competition I should say it so yeah that's what's happening that's all those things I just talked about that's all my quote of the week pay a shitload of money a lot a month and still watch a bunch of commercials

that's the thing too like WWP pay-per-mues have a shitload of commercials man dude that's where that's how TV works they get their money from the commercials and then give it to the public right but like when they pull out tables to slam people through Philip. They say slim

gym on them. Yes. All right. Well, they pay for my fucking subscription. How about that? And they have Logan Paul's prime, the little drink, whatever, all over the fucking ring area. This is getting out of control. Pedro,

you remember the fireball ladder? Oh, yeah. Sponsored by Fireball. That's right. This sounds very much like we're living in late stage capitalism. How long can the center hold here? I mean, come on.

But, yeah, until something changes, I'm not paying $30 a month for an app. I'm only going to use once a month. Yeah, I wouldn't either. No. We've been trained to, like, pay $10, you know? It used to be five when they started with Peacock, and then they raised it up to $10. Sure. But you know what I mean?

Monday night football, that'll fuck you. You got to get ESPN for that. think I talked about it on here when I was going to get Shutter and I didn't know. The Shutter is like almost $11, $12 now. And it used to be $4.99. Yeah, that's the one that I just got. It's still worth it. That's still worth it, I think. Lans, how many apps do you have? You seem like you have every little trick-a-dick app in the world. Probably 12, I would guess. I don't know. I was just looking at them the other day. Like, I got rid of three of them. Do you still have the one where you watch those movies,

which you didn't remember the name of the following day? Yeah, but that one I... What was it, Night Flyer? Yeah, night flight. But I'm letting that, and I'm letting Hallmark Plus, and I'm letting Screenbox. I'm letting those three go. Yeah, so I'll save a little money.

I mean, you only need Hallmark Plus in December, right? Correct. I'll tell you what, I'll jammed through some Lifetime movies of like, you know, the, like the true crime stories and shit. The other side of Philip, guys. I love those. Okay. All right, we got to move on.

We got to move on. What else, Brian? I'll shut up. Now, what are you saying, dude? I was just saying a lot of these apps need to, like, I got the, I got Hulu, Disney Plus, and HBO Max for $16.99 a month. I mean, that's with ads. See, that's not bad.

Because they're all owned by the same fucking people. Which Hulu and. is going away in 2026. Oh, really? It's going to be consolidated with Disney Plus. Yep. Okay. So you get Alien Earth on Disney.

It's crazy. It's a new world. I'll make my clue of the week short. This is an album. I don't know if we've ever done an album before, have we? Wait, you just got on Phillip about not having a horror movie for us a week. Well, it's somewhat horror-related. It's Dream Theater.

Dream Theater's new album, Paris. Asomnia, and it's all of, it's a concept album, right? So it's different songs that interweave amongst each other, and it's basically, uh, the concept is like night terrors and, and nightmares. And so, um, the different songs are about nightmares people have, you know, night terrors, PTSD, people not being able to get to sleep, um, people dying in their sleep. So it's kind of horror related, but I'm happy that I'm going to go see them in concert next month, and they're going to do the entire

album. So, a band that, you know how these fucking fans yell, do the old stuff, do the old stuff. For them, for them to come out and say, we're going to do the entire new album, that's kind of ballsy, you know? Now, granted, they don't have an opening act, so they're going to do that.

And then another 22-minute song called A Change of Seasons. And then they're going to do a little break. And then they're going to do the hits. So my hat's off to him. You're getting a full meal with all that stuff. Full meal, man. Full meal, man.

Full meal. So, yeah, dream theater. Parasomnia. What do we have next? Is it news, Brian? Yes, I believe so. We are going to start with Sebastian Stan is going to star as both Victor Frankenstein and the monster.

Okay. Is he going to also, is he going to revise his role as Donald Trump for this also? I mean I don't know unless Donald Trump is Romanian and this is coming from Romanian filmmaker Radu Jude which come to find out Sebastian's also Romanian

So there's going to be two Frankenstein movies around then around the same time Oh no here we go again huh? Yeah Is the doctor and the monster are going to be the same guy? Yeah. Or, like that.

This is ridiculous. I mean, that sort of makes sense. He's like experimenting on himself. What is he going to do? How's he going to like put himself out to put a new breakdown himself? It's not going to be like the fly.

It's not going to be like Seth Brunto is the fly. I think it's going to be like, it's going to be two different characters. Oh, okay. I think he's just going to play both of them. Oh, he's building it in his own image. Oh, that's a lot of it. He's God.

I get it. Let's see. I always mispronounce his name. Larry Fesnenden. Fessenden. Fesenden. Yeah. He is connecting his

movie's habit depraved and blackout with a new movie called trauma. Okay. It's basically his version of the universal monsters. So he's got his own putting verse going on there now. Yeah.

That's kind of cool. Because it's like Indy movies. I don't know why not. I believe, I know Depraved. I've only seen Depraves this Frankenstein movie.

Blackout was the werewolf movie and habit, I believe, was the vampire movie. And this movie will connect all of them. Interesting. You know, you know what's the trip about all this? We're now starting to see

the negative effects of these fucking connected universes with Marvel. Like, like they made a deal with the devil many, many years ago. and now they're paying for it because

when you get the chain, when it gets long enough, people don't want to do with it anymore. They don't want to do it. I know. I'm not already tired of it. Oh, I can't watch this movie because I haven't watched the previous 30 movies. So I'm not gonna. You know, that's where they're at right now and they're struggling. But yet

you still have all these little studios and all these other producers. Oh, we got to do the share universe because it worked for Marvel. No, it didn't. Look at them. Fantastic. Fantastic Four. Fantastic Four was officially a flop. It's officially a flop. 260 million domestic.

Like, it's a flop. Thunderboats was also considered a flop. Like, it just, it blew up in their face. It's not like you good. You know, but you still have all these other studios that want to do it. Okay, well, good luck to you. When something gets so big, like, I don't want to watch it to catch up another shit,

you know, we have limited time. Double-edged sword, yeah. But you know when it worked great is when they introduced all the Avengers characters in individual movies and then had an Avengers movie. Yeah. No, you're right. Let's do that. What hurt them was Disney Plus.

Oh, yeah, for sure. Let's give everybody a TV show. Yeah. And that just me and tell everybody it's connected to the universe. And that makes it tiring because you got to watch this to understand that. Yeah.

Like, and I know that, you know, the Avengers are probably the, second biggest franchise in Marvel. X-Men, hey, what the fuck are you doing? Let's go. Yeah, well, they're coming out right after this day. They get through this whole Doctor Doom shit. Yeah, but they're going to come out with an X-Men movie.

They're not going to come out with an individual character movie and then, like, lead it up into something really cool. They're going to come out with an X-Men movie and be like, hey, how come you guys don't like this? I don't fucking care about all these people. You put characters in a movie They need to start fresh They need to start fresh with all new, all different X-band, right?

And Professor X in the new Avengers movie, guess who it's going to be? Sir Patrick Stewart. How many times can they retread that? No, not all right. No, they're only having him in the... He's a good Professor X. They're only having them in the Secret Wars movie.

Okay, well... They already said to X-Men movies. movie's going to be all new. I think they said they're going with unknown actors. The outdoor rumor, the outdoor rumor is that Denzel Washington is going to be Magneto, because he's going to find

the helmet in a Wakanda. That's a very, they haven't even written the fucking movie. Who knows, dude? And all these nerds. What in the race? Bullshit is that? All these nerds are just coming up with his theories.

Speculation. I am kind of excited for the Spider-Man movie because we're getting Punisher and Daredevil in that one. That's cool. They fit together in the comics. We did a ghostriar that doesn't suck ass. And Scorpion is going to be interesting. Might get one.

Is Blade still on or not? That's a good question. I saw an interview with Marcia Ali. He said he's still signed on to do the character, but he wants people to stop asking him when they're going to film it because he don't know. Okay. He's old enough to play Blades the father now, though.

That's the problem. Yeah, he's like, hey, man, I thought I was supposed to play Blade, like 10 fucking years ago. What happened? All right. Let's see. Allison Brie, fresh off of the movie together, is stepping behind the camera for the first time. I believe, theatrically directing an upcoming horror comedy. Okay.

Because I think she directed a TV show she was on. So I don't think this would be, I don't know. I just, I don't, I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think this, I think this would be her theatrical debut as a director. That's cool. All right. Did you get a chance to see it together, Phil? No, I haven't watched it yet.

It's out there. Yeah, I'm going to have to check it out. It sounds, sounds like I should watch it. it. Yeah, it's pretty trippy, man. Well, let's see. Color Out of Space director Richard Stanley is going to direct Winnie the, or not direct, he's going to write Winnie the Pooh Blood and Honey 3. That is a character, man, so I'm not really looking forward to that. All right. He's a, he's a character of characters that guy. What? Okay.

Throw some tricky shit in there? I think it works. Oh, well. says the franchise plans on a bigger budget and will bring new classic characters like Rabbit and Kanga. And they're going to discover mushrooms in the forest. Yeah, with that kind of you would think they would have got a bigger budget for sure.

Yeah, that's going to be part of the plot, I guarantee you. They'll do like the stoned ape theory, but in reverse and that's how they turn to evil. Yep. For me eating the mushrooms. Go ahead and write it down. You know it's coming. Let's just hope he doesn't get fired, then has to throw on the Winnie the Poo's suit.

That's right. Start killing everyone that fired him. He's looking to his own production. He's done it before. Yeah. Let's see. We're getting a new blob movie from director David Bruckner, who did the Hellraiser remake. Oh, nice.

Okay. The reboot will give the iconic creature a brand new. man-made origin. Okay. Toxic waste. I'm not mad in a new blob movie. I mean, there's been a couple of them. And, you know, I kind of grew up

on those. I don't know that my kids have ever seen a blob movie. You know who was supposed to do a blob remake? Who's that? Yeah. I thought I'd mind heard whispers about that.

Whatever happened to him? I mean, after the monsters, he just kind of vanished. Oh, that answers your question. I mean, yeah, for sure, that sucks. But I feel like he always has a stroke to just kind of do whatever he wants. You know, he just hasn't been around. That movie may have done it.

Yeah. Because if it comes to worse, like his fan base funds out his shit anyway. You know, so he just usually asks them for money. And then he does what, but after the monster, he just went in the cage. Maybe he saw how fucking stupid that movie was. And he's like, no, I can't do

this anymore. You know? Maybe his wife told him. Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought I was. I know, which McCall's coming back to theaters, The Devil's Rejects, where it's 20th anniversary. No, that was a great movie. That's probably one, that's probably his best movie, I would say. Yeah.

And then it has a lot of great movies, but, but... Yeah, a lot of people say that. This is probably no surprise to anybody, but seven final destination movies in the works. Oh, good. Of course, Blood Lines was a good kid. Very good. Yeah, big props to, I was going to say big props to Warner Brothers, because they hit jackpot this year with sinners,

Final Destination, and not with weapons. Yeah, that's Warner, but that's New Line. Dude, but it's Warner Brothers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, big, that's three right there. Big Props are friend of the show, Jeffrey Redick, right? Because he's got that cash, cash kept coming in, man, on the residuals, I would imagine.

Yeah, it's a great idea. I believe, I think I read, Warner Brothers has six or seven movies this year that were neither number one at the box office or hit over 40 or 50 million or something like that. Hmm. Hmm. Good. Especially their genre films like weapons and stuff. We need more of those. Yeah. I'm sure. That was awesome.

Speaking of weapons, I'll probably save this last news item for the review because it might be a little spoilery. All right. So that means it's time to take that trip down to the trailer park. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first new trailer tonight, Brian? Blumhouse's first Spanish language movie, don't follow me. Okay.

Well, what did you think? Very specific. I mean, yeah. That's a very specific title per the movie's plot. Right. It's the same thing while we say when we're reviewing the traders. We've all been through this before. It says a girl who thinks she's cool and she's conning people with the bullshit.

And then all of a sudden, shit gets too real. And then all of a sudden, you know, shit's really going after her. I mean, it looked pretty slick for a low-budget Spanish movie. You know, and I mean, obviously, I don't have to, the subtitle, I mean, I understand everything that we're saying. they were using this weird slangy Spanish that annoys the shit out of me when people use it but I think that's because of the low

I think it's from like Mexico City so that's called a talk there and so and so that was kind of annoying but other than that I mean I'm going to check it out when it comes up I didn't ask about that that was because my wife like they started speaking Spanish and she was like oh yeah but they say

putto ching out Chupala. That's one guess words. Those are the only words you know land. Yeah, that's the Holy Trinity right there. I didn't ask her about the dialect. But it looked like a cool fucking movie to me.

Like, yeah, definitely low budget, you know, found footage, social media shit. I think it works. We'll see. Yeah, and it's a Blumhouse movie? Yeah, Blumhouse. Are they going to, I don't think they're going to, I don't think they're going to give it a theatrical, right? It's probably going to be like a video on demand. Oh, yeah.

I think both, but theatrical might be limited. Yeah, because I feel like these traders, sometimes they say, oh, only in theaters, and then you see them like on, you know, what do you get, what's the available, like, a week later on the internet. Sure, sure. I'm not going to go to the theater. Available. Available.

I'm sorry. Well, I believe this is hitting both. on October 30th. Okay, Halloween. That's a good strategy. More movies should do that. Yeah, I thought this, Brian, I thought this movie was, like,

hitting all the beats, like, beat for beat, dude. You got the social media shit like Pedro's talking about. You've got the, you can't miss this one, right? You've got to have every one of these found footage, social media movies. There's someone behind you. I mean, come on, dude. We've seen all this shit. So, who knows?

I mean, like you guys are saying, the production value looks good, right? Yeah, but you know what sometimes? Because I just watched F1, I just caught up with F1. And literally everything in that movie we've all seen before is the biggest cliche movie you've ever seen in the history of movies. I heard nothing, but it's awesome. But it worked. But it worked.

I was in. Like Brad Pitt's so charismatic and it worked for me. So I loved it even though it's literally nothing you haven't seen before. You know? Brad Pitt is turning into my favorite. favorite actor of all time. He's good. Yeah, he's pretty great.

Pretty great. So anyways, I'm going to check it out because I'm a sucker for these kind of movies, even though they're like super cliche. Don't fuck with that demonic shit, man. Right. All right. Our next trailer is coming from Eli Ross New Horror Studio, I believe it's called The Horror Section.

No, wait. Is this produced? Eli Roth or he directed I think he's executive producer. He's just distributing it. Like that's the whole, yeah. Like I said like the horror section bullshit. Sure. What you executive

produce me? A latte. This movie actually has three directors. Okay. What the fuck? I think they're like a team of directors. Hmm. They're the next radio

silence, huh? Never know. Could be. This is a new found footage horror movie called Dream Eater. Okay. What'd you guys think? It was more of a teaser, huh? It wasn't really, they didn't really show much.

Didn't reveal a lot about what the movie's going to be about. Yeah, I mean, it was just a bunch of like different visuals of this guy who, I guess he, something happens when he falls asleep, he wakes up, and he acts a certain way, so they're trying to see what's going on. And it makes you think that he does some, like, like violent things when he's asleep. So we'll see. That's what I got out of it.

What I do think is cool about these movies is, what was the other trailer we review with the puppets, Jimmy and Stigs? Oh, gosh. The one we reviewed a couple. Yeah, that sounds right. That's also from the horror section. And what Eli Roth is doing when you go to the theaters

to watch these movies, they're going to have the grind house fake trailers. Oh, shit. Oh, that's, fun. Which if you don't want to see him in theaters, you can go on the YouTube channel for the horror section. I believe the two trailers are the piano killer.

And don't go in the house, bitch, with Snoop Dog narrating. Oh, boy. Don't go in the house, bitch. That'll be fun. That'll be fun. But what, would you, Lance Phil, what did you guys think? Uh, yeah, I don't know how much it gave me. I don't get the dream eater part.

Mm-hmm. It seemed like just this guy who was like, you know, turned into an evil person when he was sleepwalking from what I gather. But I imagine there's more to it than that. Yeah, so as a filmmaker documents her boyfriend's violent parasomnia. There you go. Tie in. The holiday at a remote cabin in the woods. Parasomnia?

Yeah, that would fit right into the Macul of the Week, Philip. Like, that could be one of the songs, whatever happens in this movie. It could be. Yeah. That's when the demon takes over. I think we'll watch it, right? I mean, I plan to watch it. That might be what aliens are, man.

It is. I've got into a bunch of different directions. It is coming out in theaters, October 24. so another October release. Man, it's a, it's a big a pack week. Thankfully, I got my AMC Stubbs card. To get me through it. Thankfully, I've got my $5 Tuesday movie theater here.

Thankfully, I've got my back door where I can sneak in and steal a movie. I'm kidding. And our final trailer is the new one for Traumatica. Directed by Pierre. I'm not going to try to pronounce his last name. What did you guys think of Traumatica? I did check out his previous movie also this week,

Two Witches and his short film. I have no one. Okay. Which I kind of like his vibe of his directing and stuff like that. This one, I think it looks pretty cool. This is the one that grabbed me the most. Yeah, the best of the three trailers, right? Yeah.

But it also had the biggest budget out of all three, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Well, sometimes that works out and sometimes it doesn't, right? I mean, it does give you more budget to put a trailer in that's going to entice people to watch the movie. But it looks like there's a lot of good gore and really good creature effects. It does involve demons. A lot of creepy elements.

AJ is out. Yeah. I like that point of view. It looked like the point of view from the kid, run it through the house. Right? Yeah. Kind of neat. I think this is going to be good.

So the trailer does it give away that that blonde girl is kind of like position? or whatever like are we supposed to know that going in or is that me part of the story like it was kind of weird but it looked interesting to me i mean very creepy let's see mike's night terror has become reality when his mother begins showing signs of demonic demonic possession little mike so listen there's a lot of evil in the world man just saying yeah it looks like we were getting some demonic possession and I've seen a couple of reviews of people who got to say it, see it already, and so far they're saying it's pretty good.

Okay. I'm in, I'm sold on the trailer. Yeah, I'm going to check it out too. And it's one of those trailers where it's hitting you with all the bus words that it's in vogue right now. Oh, yeah. Of course. Scariest of the year or, like, violin. They're hitting you with all the quotes.

You won't be able to sleep tonight. Sleep at night. There was one he said it was like fucking something. And I can't remember exactly what it said. I think it was something fucking bonkers or something. It's something. And I was like, I kind of like that. Right.

Pure chaos. Yeah, right. When they do the next naked gun movie, they need to do a trailer like that, but it gets so outrageous with it. That's the one I want to watch. Have you seen the new naked gun? Yeah.

I talked about it last week. That's what I haven't seen yet. Is it awesome? All right. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. All right. I really want to see it. That's what I've been looking forward to.

All right. Traumatica hits theater as September 12th. Okay, that one's around the corner. Damn, really close. And that is it with the trailers. All right. On to listener feedback. This week we shine the YouTube spotlight on Death Curse Club.

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i just watched the video about the about him his involvement in the reason why he had he was killed off in that movies because he didn't want to do any of the movies at all. It was one of those studio studio said you had to do it because of your contract. Well, that's always a bad thing. It's

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can, man. I played Storm Shadow, I think, is going to be Ryu the street fighter movie nice I like it all right yeah

what's Cody Rhodes was Cody Rhodes gonna play in that movie I hope that's a rumor I don't know it's in there it's true I don't know who he's playing though like God the Van Damien character

they're going to give him the hair yeah well they just He's going to be in the movie. Gile. Maybe the character's going to be, it's a rumor. They should have made one of those fucking Paul brothers,

Gile with the hair. That's true, yeah. That would work. Yeah. They try to do John Claude Van Dam, but he had the thickest accent for being like an American soldier. Yeah, that doesn't work too well.

I am a medicare from California. He didn't help. He was a hell of cocaine. Well, yeah, it was a cocaine. he was pretty sweaty during that whole movie you can actually see which scenes he's on cocaine

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Do it. Give us money. All right. Featured attractions. Everybody loves creepy children. That kind of sounding creepy in and of. itself. I didn't write that. But we'll go to the children from 2008, right? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, okay. A relaxing... There's quite a few of them, but yes, 2008. Yeah. Well, I had a hard time

finding this one, but I got it. A relaxing Christmas vacation turns into a terrifying fight for survival as the children begin to turn on their parents. Director is Tom Shankland, also known for the killing gene and the series Ripper Street. Neither of which I've ever heard of, but... Ripper Street I've heard of. I think obviously it's about Jack the Ripper. I don't know if it was a mini-series or a show. I think it was a BBC thing.

Yeah, I was going to say, it sounds like it's very UK-oriented stuff. Very British! Yeah. Matt can correct my accent. What was that? Very, very well, very well. That was his leper-con accent. It is closer than that guy in that movie.

Writers are Tom Shankland with Paul Andrew Williams. Casey's tattoo is the cover art of the album, A Jeetis, Byergen. Okay. Of the Icelandic band, Seguer Rose, which I have never heard of in my life. and I'm a music guy It's probably death metal, Philip

It's your jam, Philip I know it should be I've never heard of them All right Pedro, what do you think about The children Well, to pay tribute to Lance here I skipped this one

Oh, okay, and watch night swim again instead That's okay, this one was hard to find I thought you said you were paying tribute Well yeah, because you didn't keep a lot of the movies that you're assigned to watch. Yeah, but I re-watch Night Swam every time I do that. You didn't know that, did you? No, no, no, no.

But I have seen it. That's the difference. I have seen it. I saw it maybe when it came out, like back in 2008. So was it memorable? Yeah, yeah, I remember quite a bit of it. I remember the ending with the teenage daughter possibly being infected. That's kind of where they leave you, which is cool, I think.

Right. And I remember that the children were, they were not long enough. they were not around long enough before getting infected where they became annoying. You know what I'm saying? Which is always good. Okay. And then I remember some of the scenes were pretty gory. Some of the kills were good.

You know, they were good kills. Yeah, this one got a lot of love when it first came on. So I was in and eight, it got a lot of good reviews. And it kind of became a cold classic, which is what it is now. So, yeah, so I remember liking it quite a bit. As you guys talk about it, it'll kind of bring up some more memories. Yeah, there you go. There you go.

What did you guys think of it? All right. Lance, you're going to start us out? Sure. Yeah, I wasn't impressed with this. I was, uh, no, I like slow burn. I like slow burn, but I don't like a bunch of joking around with fucking family members carving a Thanksgiving turkey and drinking eggnog and riding on sleds for the first fucking two-thirds of the movie, okay? So for me, it took a while for anything to get going.

And then once it did, like I remember one particular scene. I guess they were trying to be artsy, but they like telegraphed a kill 10 minutes before by showing a close up of somebody's eye. I'm like, why are they showing a close up of somebody's eye? And then they showed a close up of blood on the snow. Okay, you know, very Kafkaesque, very odd, very strange, very artsy. And then they showed a kid romping around and then all of a sudden, bang, eye trauma. So, I don't know.

This was kind of, it just didn't grab me in it. I thought the characters were immensely bothersome and problematic. Like the uncle, I mean, come on. I wasn't super mad that any of them died. Let's go with that. That's fair enough. I mean, you know, the uncle that's over here basically smoking weed with a girl while she hikes up her skirt and shows her sexy leggings. And she's probably 16 years.

16. And I'm like, get. Very uncomfortable. Family. The other, the other dad was just super irritating. Now,

granted, his, the wife was kind of hot, the blonde, right? You know, but not right. I like how that's a positive.

That's important to the story. You, you bury all the artistic intention of the film. You bury all these crazy shots. But you know what? The wife was hot. So that's,

that's where it fucks with the realism. Because I got was a, fucking nerd. And was he a rich nerd or we didn't even know, right? I don't know. I mean, they didn't get it. Whatever. No, anyway, no, back to reality here, right?

Okay, so yeah, the kids were, I mean, look, I wanted to see mayhem. Early on, I wanted to see these kids do a lot more gory, violent killing. I really wanted to see more evil kids. And it was just basically kind of. irritating kids for 80% of the movie and then like a few off screen and then you got the high trauma. Yeah, and then they just kept showing blood on snow instead of focusing on the gore.

And it didn't do it for me, guys, didn't do it for me. I got to say, though, blood on snow is pretty interesting to look at. Just saying. Lans, they were trying to show how the family lives, a good family atmosphere. Setting you up for the future kills. Setting you up for the big fall. I got you.

Yeah, yeah. It didn't resonate with you. I'm seeing it didn't resonate with you at all. It just didn't. Okay. You know, and I've liked some movies like this. Like what was that one, wait for instructions or something, Brian?

That was the family and they had the videotape they had to put in and follow the directions. I like that one because that one was super trippy. But I don't know. Just flat for me. One thing about British films is that they tend to be slow burns. I like slow burn if it's adding to the story, but if it's just slogging around the house at Christmas or whatever. I don't know. I'd like to hear somebody else's opinion.

Maybe I miss something. Wouldn't be the first time? What, Brian? Yeah. I don't know what you missed because the movie wasn't slogging around for 80 minutes. Okay. I felt like they kind of got right into the story because the kids seemed to be sick right when they got to the cabin.

The kid was already throwing up. The other kids started showing signs of being sick and then being kind of violent. Not violent right away. They just seemed to kind of be irritated with things. You know, typical kid shit when kids are not feeling good. you know, they have a little attitude because, you know, they don't feel good.

And I felt like it worked its way into the chaos. Okay. And I enjoyed this movie. I thought the kids did a great job of being infected little fuckers that go to violence and shit. Sure. That little girl with the brown hair did awesome, I thought.

She looked super creepy. Yeah. Oh, she was super creepy, right? Yeah. I mean, you wanted violence, Lance. There was a scene where they were about to attack their aunt, the little brown hair girl and her brother, and the oldest daughter is trying to break down the door and she kicks a hole in the door and grabs the little boy by his neck and impales his neck on a broken

shard of the door. Well, that was a great shot. I enjoyed that one. That, so he had a gun. And the wife being hot, that's too positive. Well, yeah, but she didn't get topless, so, you know. I thought that was coming in the bedroom, same. Anyway.

I thought a lot of this movie was effective, what they were trying to do. And it's one of those movies where sometimes I feel like, you know, where does the virus come from? I need to explain. I was perfectly fine. Uh-huh. It just happened. It just is. Yeah.

And then that shot at the end when they find the stepdad because he, He had left with the other kid that was infected and they find this car crashed and they get out and check and then all those kids come out the woods surrounding the car. And then like Pedro said, you get that shot of the daughter, which they're alluding to the oldest one alluded to that she might be also infected because before she got in the car. Yeah, it definitely looked that way. Because it makes it. Well, what's the age cut off? That's the thing. That's the thing, Lance.

It makes you wonder what is the age cut off? like she's a teenager because that means that you know but it's cool that they left it like that because they were trying to answer that question for us as well because we're wondering the whole at least when I watched it I was wondering the whole time like why come she's not what but maybe she is

you don't know you know yeah all right maybe it maybe it affects the very young first and then the older they are the longer it takes so if we got the youngest kid would be the adults right who did he belong to the youngest one with the curly-haired one

Yeah. He was the oldest girl's stepbrother. Okay. Yeah. That was his mom that stabbed him in the back of the head with the broken piece of glass in greenhouse. Gotcha. So, but he was the first one to, like, show signs. And then it started hitting the younger ones next.

And then it hit a slightly older one. Yeah, it might be an age thing. Then it hit the older one. So maybe it goes all the way up to a. and we just hadn't got there yet. Yeah, because that blonde girl that left with the father, she hadn't shown signs of being violent until it was close to the end. Right, right.

So, but yeah, there was some other good scenes. There was the uncle, which you brought up, Lance, the creepy uncle. He got his head impaled on a, what was it, a rake? Yeah, right. That was pretty brutal. It was pretty brutal and off screen, but it worked. the way that they did it, I think. Hey, they showed the blood on the snow.

I mean, that's all you need, right? Well, but then they showed, like, the flap on his head, too, and stuff. So, like, they showed the afterment. They didn't show the actual thing. Yeah. Well, yeah. It didn't look that bad, honestly. Well, he looked like his head was in panes.

His brains were leaking out. Okay. That's true. It wasn't a ton of blood on the snow. I mean. I'll have some super glue on that fucker and stick it back down. You got the other lady which her kids basically

gang shanked her in the woods with pencils. Right. Well, that's because she was already like not willing to accept what was happening. Yeah, well, you had that scene, you had that scene where she found her dead husband in that tent outside. Yeah.

And somebody was trying to get it. in and then next thing you know it was the older girl who it came to help her but came in all all crazy with the the garden tool in her hand so right and then you then she finds out her sister killed her son rough stuff of course you're going to come to conclusions I feel like the most obvious conclusion is the kids are going crazy yeah yeah because one of them was jamming a doll into the abdomen of my dead husband. Right, that's right. He was still alive.

Mostly did. So what was going to make or break the movie for me was the kids, and I thought they did enough to be creepy and violent. Yeah. I got you. That's definitely, I can definitely see all that. Yeah, no, I liked it. I think it was, I think you probably have to be in the mood for it. It is a little bit slow.

But I think as far as creepy children movies go, this one is probably up there. Because I thought the kids did a great job. I didn't really love any of the characters. Like the adults in particular, I was not exactly rooting for them. I don't think you were supposed to. Yeah, right. I think you were mostly

supposed to maybe maybe the oldest kid, the girl, the teenager. I think he was supposed to be maybe rooting for her. Except she was trying to sleep with her creepy uncle, maybe. Well, at that age,

I don't know if she wanted to sleep with him per se. I think she was kind of wondering to see if she get his attention. I think she was trying to just get some weed. Yeah. There you go. That was probably. There you go.

Well, but her friend was like, go fuck your creepy uncle. Kids say that stuff, you know. Yeah, but I think we're supposed to have these kind of feelings about the adults because they were going to, yeah, they were all going to get their comeuppance. So I think there was a little bit of like, yeah, let's make them a little annoying, you know, whatever. And then later on the kids are going to kill them. And that's what we're there for, you know, as an audience.

And the supernatural mom that's like too perfect. and then, you know, she gets murdered by her own kids. Yeah. Yeah. I think that way. Yeah, I think Pedro's right because like the, they show the, the one you brought up, Phil, the father with the glasses, the one with the housewife. You're really not supposed to like him because he shows no attention to his stepdaughter. Almost like she's not even, she doesn't even exist. Everything's always her fault. He's like, you don't even know Chinese.

bitch. And then you got that scene where one of the ladies gets hit with the sled but he could have been perceived as an accident. He immediately marches up the hill and spanks the shit out of his kid. Spank's the shit. Yeah, that's true.

So not only was he a super nerd, but he was like an aggressive one. Like that guy's had some childhood trauma. But yeah, no, I liked it. I was not mad at this movie. After some of the ones that we've watched in the past however many weeks, this is up there for sure.

Nice. All right. It's better than gooies. I'll tell you that. Yeah. But not better than critters, though. I'll say that. Right.

That's exactly true. That's so sure. That's the bar. All right. Let's go scores. Pedro, what do you think? I'm going to go seven on ten. It's been about 10 years since I've seen it, but I remember liking it.

So let's go seven on ten. Fair enough. All right, little Jackie. Six. Six. I liked it more than I didn't like it. Yeah. That's way more than I expected.

I think six is way higher than I thought. I thought we were going to come with another three. I thought we were going to get a. I thought we're going to get a one out of ten, but one because you were entertained. Not for that. Actually, this is one of those ones where you guys kind of talked my score up. I was going to go with a five,

but Brian reminded me of the kid getting fucked up by some mom in the door, and I'm like, yeah, that's pretty brutal. They went there, so it deserves a six. There was a couple of them that got stabbed by sharp objects. Right. I mean, that was such a great scene. After she impales the one kid on the door frame or piece of broken door, she chases the other, the little brown hair girl down the stairs.

And I think she kicks her down the stairs. And it's about to stab her and then her mom says, no, don't. Yeah. Yes, that's right. The one that wouldn't accept it. So, is that me? yeah it's what what is it uh it's a seven yeah i had fun with it i thought the kids did a great job there was a

there may have been some cutaway scenes with some of the some of the kills but i thought the gore looked pretty good so it's an easy seven yeah i think i'm gonna go seven too i think uh i think it was definitely better than it was bad for sure yeah um definitely worth watching and And one that is kind of a hidden gem. So hidden that you can't find it on streaming. Or rent it. Or even rent it.

And it's a Christmas movie. Yeah, there you go. 25 days of Christmas, right, Brian? There it is. That counts. Brian does, what do you do, the seven days of Christmas or? No, last year. I did 25 just for you last year.

You did. That's right. Yeah. Including the Jack Black. atrocity where he was Satan. I did that one. I did a Bruce Campbell Hallmark movie. I did it all very nice. And I hated

every second of it. If you guys want to finish this year, I suggest you guys want to finish this year, I suggest you guys start doing the 31 days of Halloween like next week, like started next week. I know. We dropped the ball last year. We won't drop the ball this year.

That was my fault. October last year was super hectic. Oh, don't. Don't fall on the sword, Brian. We both had hectic schedules, dude. I think it was a mutual thing, but oh, do you want to do the 62 date?

No, never mind. Jesus Christ. We can do like Jim Law did that one year. Let's stop by it. No. I haven't slipped on like a week. Pedro, do you remember that? What, Jim Law did that one year?

Tell him of that, Brian. Remind him. He did 100 days of horror one year. Damn. No, I think they remember that. That's right. well i mean i don't know i feel like i watch at least one i'm watching at least four horror movies a week so you know okay i'm kind of there yeah yeah so i mean there's not one every day but it's like four a week so see i have at least four a week kid events that i need to go to so yeah yeah well jim law is like a seven foot nine canadian and we're not so you know give credit where credits do

All right. On to the new ones. Weapons. I'm excited about this. When all but one child from the same class mysteriously vanish on the same night at exactly the same time, a community is left questioning who or what is behind their disappearance. Writer and director is Zach Craigor, also known for the Barbarian and the whitest kids you know. Didn't know that, did you? Archer's son Matthew goes missing at 217.

Matthew 217 in the Bible describes the fulfillment of a massacre of children, the slaughter of the innocence. And that's all we got for trivia. All right. I was actually going to say something about that. Were you? Yeah. We got to be really careful because I went in pretty much blind

other than one trailer. And I'm so glad that I did. So no spoilers yet. Yes. Yeah, this may be short. It's going to be pretty short until we hit spoilers. But Pedro, what do you think? I love this movie.

I originally gave it a 10 out of 10 and I texted Lance because I was so excited when I walked out. I saw it again. I took my brother. You were on what we called the Pink Cloud. That's right. I was. It was just, it was just.

Such a great, great, great film. Now, I will say that it's no longer a 10 out of 10 because I did see it again. But it's still up there. And I'll get my final rating in a second here. Yeah, just everything about this movie works. You know, I mean, this is not a spoiler. It is presented in a like nonlinear fashion, you know, and that's the trope that always works. For the most part, it works for me because you get to add more drama with that nonlinear stuff.

I thought all the characters were were pretty well written and it makes you you know what it if it was a little mixture of like like Stephen King like a Stephen King book where he has all these little sex like vignettes Absolutely and then as far as

the filmmaker part is like kind of like Jordan Pio a little bit you know with his ambiance and stuff like that very much because even when nothing's happening like you there's a tension right the way all the other set pieces or build.

Even when it's like just there's two people, even like there's like a liquor store scene where like it's, it's all tense and she's literally just walking so it gets some fucking vodka or whatever and you feel there's a tension there. And that's sustained through the entire movie. Because this is not a short movie. It's like it's like two hours and ten minutes or something like that. But you never, you're never bored.

You never feel like things are getting repetitive. I have some people, I have heard some people complain that the vignette part of it kind of gets tiring after a while, and we'll get to that in spoilers. Okay. But other than that, like, uh,

it's just, it just builds on itself right into the big climax. And the climax is just fucking bonkers. Like it just, the payoff, it's to me anyways, because I know there's always people, I'd be like,

oh, well, all that build up for nothing. To me, it worked. Like the payoff work. We'll talk about some of the criticism and spoilers about it. But it,

but to me it worked. And, And yeah, to me, this is, I mean, it's a great film, like I said. I'll give my rating when you guys give your rating. And I'll talk a little bit about what I, well, I'll say right now, one thing that I didn't like is a suddenness of the ending. That's what I didn't like, you know? Okay.

Yeah. Okay. I don't know that I hated that. But it's not, it's not, I don't want to take away points for it. It was just to me, I was like, oh, wow, okay. I mean, I guess that's it, you know? That's more. that was more of my reaction.

And so, but I think he did that because he wanted you to stay there thinking about what you just saw. Yeah. Like it was like, what the fuck did I just see right now? Like, it was just so much shit got thrown at me in the last like 10 minutes of this movie that I'm still trying to make sense of it, you know? There was at least like three times in the movie where a character said,

what the fuck? Yes. Oh, yeah. That's true. Right. I think that's right. specifically one that I really got a big laugh in the crowd. But yeah, so I really enjoyed it.

Again, we really can't say too much about it in detail. But I think everybody should go out and watch it with, you know, knowing about it as little as possible. Like, tends to happen without his movies. Or he's only had two movies. But so we'll see. We'll see what happens next. I mean, I know he's doing Resident Evil next. We'll see what he does with that.

But to me, this was the winner. What do you guys think? I didn't realize he was doing Resident Evil Nicks and now I'm really fucking stoked about that. Yeah, the kid, Austin Abrams, that played the homeless drug addict, Berkler. Yes. He's the star.

He's going to be the star of his Resident Evil movie. I'm happy about that. I'm very happy about that. Yeah, he'll seems like he's going to reuse some actors for sure, even if it's just a cameo. Yeah, true. Brian, what did you think? I thought the acting was fantastic.

The story was very interesting. There was certain characters I wanted more of. I wanted more of Gladys. I found that character very fascinating. I love Julia Garner in this. I love that she's expanding her acting range throughout the shows and movies she's doing, but I felt like this is probably closer to my favorite character of hers, Ruth Langmore just kind of see.

Absolutely. I thought that right off the map. Mine is the accent, though. She was missing that accent. She's got the attitude though. Definitely her best role since then. Yeah. I think so too. I like how everything was broken up. You got each point of view

from everybody, but the thing that just really kind of took me out slightly, just slightly, was the runtime. I think they could have maybe tighten it up a little bit more. I don't know if that it hurt the movie or not, but I just felt like some of the

when we went to this character Justine or Archer, you know, the different segments, I felt like some of them ran a little bit too long. And I was feeling that way. And then when we got to the conclusion,

I was back in again and I loved that ending. I thought it was hilarious. I thought there was a little bit of humor throughout the movie. Judging by the trailer, you couldn't tell there was going to be much humor in it, but I thought there was a good amount in here.

But like sneaky humor, it wasn't like hitting you over the top of the head with a fucking clown mallet. Like one of the what the fucks. That was a perfect, to me that was a perfect like joke or humor. Yeah. Uh-huh.

One of the what the fucks was pretty funny, you know? Yeah, because it wasn't a joke. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was like a sincere reaction. So, yeah, overall, I had a great time with it. It's just the runtime, I thought it could have been tightened up just a little bit. Yeah, and in spoilers, I'll give my opinion on where they could have trimmed some of the fat, like, you know, because they could have. Yeah. And we'll get to the during this.

But you're right, Brian. I do. The runtime is a little much. It was a little much. Because, yeah. I believe it's, uh, 128 minutes. so a little over two hours. Okay.

Yeah, because when they, when they started with one, when they started a story over with one character and I was like, okay, well, this seems like a good opportunity to go pee. Because you already,

because you already, I know what's coming about this guy. Gotcha. We've already seen. It's going to meld into the story somehow and I'll get it. True. All right.

Lance, what do you think? Yeah, I'm with Brian that the run. time it got me a little bit you know I kind of kind of wish they had tightened up a wee bit but I will say this we were talking about you know lately the last couple of weeks I think we've had some slow burn stuff where I said I normally like slow burn but it didn't work as well for me here so the way they did this one I

think is is a master class in slow burn right so because you've got all the POV stuff which I was not expecting by the way at all and I thought that was a really nice way to tell the story and build up to the climax. So this reminded me more of something like House of the Devil where there's a lot of stuff like they're sitting at a fucking pizza restaurant for 20

minutes picking off pepperonies and talking about it like, where is this going? And then they slap you so hard at that movie like they did in this one I think that it kind of like made all the slow burn worth it. So I'm not going to complain too much about the runtime. The humor in this one

I really wasn't expecting it. In my theater, we had a pretty good theater experience. We got some good crowds here in Florida, Pedro. I mean, I think we could give you California guys a run for the money with theater crowds. Because I went to see the know what you did last summer. And, you know, like I was telling Brian, I hated the movie, but I love the crowd experience, right? Everybody was having fun. It was the same thing.

We were entertained. I was entertained again. Did everybody groan when she said, what are you waiting for? Dude. People were fucking throwing popcorn at the screen when she said it twice, by the way. What are you waiting for? What are you waiting for? I just remember the one where she was on the boat.

Yeah, she was on the boat. But yeah, this movie, the crowd, I mean, we were rolling on the floor laughing in certain scenes toward the end. I mean, it was just so. Hey, it's Florida, man. We keep our floors clean. We're a red state. We don't have homeless people sleeping on our floors, Pedro. There's nasty kids.

Well, you do have Florida, man. You do have Florida man. And if you don't know who Florida man is, just Google it. Yeah, I just read about Florida man who won the Powerball. Yeah. Immediately arrested for kicking cop and face. Sounds about right. A lot of those body cam videos are Florida.

They're fantastic. Yeah, that video's online. He immediately tries to run and they tase him. And, of course, he had no shirt on. Yeah. Just, oh, they rarely do here, man. They rarely do it. They rarely do.

Guns, man, just stop it. Yeah. All right. So, yeah, getting back to the movie. Yeah, like I say, I love the storytelling style. All the acting was, you know, spot on, right? Especially Ruth. and the yeah the only the only negatives i can say is i think the runtime could have been cut by 15 minutes

and i have a few questions at the end how somebody was able to do something so easily but we'll talk about that you know when we get to spoilers so yeah enjoyed the movie a lot okay did you know pedro pascal was supposed to be playing Josh Boland's part. Oh, that would have worked too. Yeah, that would have worked to. I think. And the director said that he almost lost the movie because they had a recast. Not only

him, there was a couple other people that had a recast at the last minute. Pedro Pascal, Renette, Renzev, Brian Tyree Henry, Tom Bert, Julian Diane, Raphael and Austin Abrams, who played the homeless drug addict.

He was the only one that wasn't recast. Damn. So this movie had a completely different cast. Dude, I can't see anybody Josh Boland playing this part right now. Right. But he was good. He fucking killed it.

And his son was the bully. Oh. Well, yeah, but I think that's okay. We got to get on. That's not too crazy of his story. I'm muting. I'm muting. But yeah, but yeah.

No, I think I think Josh Brolin totally killed this part. The Silver Surfer was badass. What the fuck is your name? Julia Garner. Julia Garner, who was a lot better here than she was in the Silver Surfer. Yeah.

Well, she had more to do here. She had more to do here. True. And way better than she was in the Rosemary's Baby thing. Oh, I forgot about that movie. God damn. That was right. Hey, at least she's staying busy.

I don't think she did bad. I don't think she did bad, but like, I, I'm happy. that she landed this role and that's going to catapult her into something else, I think. You got that movie and then you got Wolfman, which I don't think she did bad in, but that was not a good movie either. Right.

She did it to fire. She'd probably fire her agent, and I don't know she's getting good movies now. She had a good one now. Well, I mean, she's been on a lot of big shit. And, you know, she's hit the Marvel universe already, so. She'll be in big shit more, you know. Which I think is a testament to her talent.

Yeah. Even though the movie doesn't come out great, you know, people are not blaming her acting in the movie. Well, because she's not Sidney, dude. She's not like some super hot chick. She's kind of weird looking. Yeah, I wouldn't do with that. But she's a fantastic actress. Plain Jane.

Let's go with Plain Jane. I don't even know if she's playing. I mean, she's like a young, weird Glenn Co. Close. Oh, great, great comparison. But I kind of love her and everything that she does, and I'm excited to see her do well. And in this movie, she does well. I liked the kid characters. I loved, I loved the tension that they had in some scenes where, like, you thought you were going to get a jump scare,

but it's really more psychological stuff, which I really enjoy. Like jump scares are cheap, psychological scares are solid, you know? They did have a couple of, you know, faces that popped up at you or whatever,

but I think it worked. Yeah, those were earned. I feel like they earned those. Yeah, yeah. In the context of where they were, yeah, I think they looked pretty good.

You know what it is? I think it's the fake jump scares that get me the most. those piss me off. But I'll tell you the one that got a lot of rumblins in my theater, and I don't know if I was in your theater, the car scene, that's the one that it was like,

everybody, everybody was like, holy shit. Yeah, and what's going to happen. Yeah, that was a great scene. That's all tension.

That's all just atmosphere and build up. Absolutely. You know? I loved the way that they pulled that off. And then they did throw a few, like really scary, like, Mm-hmm.

exorcist style flash a thing in front of you and you go, oh my God, what the fuck was that? Kind of like Barbarian did, right? Yeah, yeah. And between this and Barbarian, I mean, this definitely holds right up there Barbarian.

It may even be better. And we had an Barbarian alumni show up, which, I'm not going to say who, but it put us my mouth on my face. Two. Yeah. Oh, that was two of them.

That's right. Yeah. Okay. Was it two? Well, we'll talk after spoilers. Oh, man. I didn't think about it. All right.

But it was there. There wasn't much to it, but it was there. Right. Yeah, dude, like, I can't say enough good things about this until we get to spoilers. But, like, I was very, like, I feel like I did want a little bit more, maybe. Like, when the ending happening, I was like, all right. Well, yeah, everybody wanted more of that. That's what I was saying earlier.

Like it was like, I'm not going to deduct points, but it was like, okay, that's it, okay. And I guess that's it. But even the reveal, I was like, oh, that's it. And, but I didn't hate it. Like, I thought they pulled it off coming because when you build up a mystery too much, it's hard to fulfill that expectation. And I think they did a good job of that. Philip, you wanted it to be aliens, didn't you?

I don't know what I wanted it to be. I thought it was maybe going to be like, government fucking programming or some shit. And it turned out to be something really simple. Okay. There is a, all right. That was my theory too, Philip.

I mean, from the truth, I mean, it's going to be aliens. But I will say this. And I feel like the director kind of risked it. Like, there is a,

something that happens early on. That's a little too on the nose on what they would do is later on. And I was like, okay. I mean, you know, I didn't catch it. So, okay. We'll talk about it when with, yeah, during. Foreshadowing.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like, I, I, I think everything that he did in this movie had purpose. And yeah, there was a lot of comedy. That crackhead dude is so great. A resident evil guy, yeah. He was my favorite.

When he fell on the dumpster. He was so awesome. Like every scene that he was in, he was, he stole it. I don't know. I don't know if it's a spoiler, but I was bringing it up here anyways. When he got punched in the back of the head, I was the funniest thing.

I probably would have had the same reaction. Right. I don't kick this ass, too. I just asked you. Yeah. Any, Indies recover. Well, all right, that's enough. All right.

Okay. Scores. Pedro, what do you think? I'm going to go 9 on 10. Nice. Nice. It was 10 on 10, but when I saw the second time, okay.

When, you know, downgraded a little bit to 9 on 10th, but still a great fucking movie. Brought you back to reality a little. That's right. Brian? I was 7.5 because of the runtime, but now talking about the movie,

which you guys probably bump it up to 8. Very nice. Okay. Very nice. Lance? I'm also on eight Eight on ten Eight

Dude I'm gonna go Do it I'm gonna go nine and a half There we go Thought you were gonna do it No Almost Almost

A boncad tan Going back to varsity blues Uh no Yeah no I think I think nine and a half man I was I was super impressed with this one It's definitely going on the top ten list there's been some great movies this year.

And yeah, this one is, maybe it's just the newest, but right now it's at the top of my heap. Okay. All right. Spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Real quick, the news that I was going to bring up, Zach Craig is already in talks to a prequel movie about Gladys. Interesting. When she was young, I wonder. It didn't get into it, so I don't know if it's young or it leads up to this.

I don't know how I feel about that. Yeah, I think it could be good. Yeah, but it might be good. I mean, I could see it. I'd give it a chance. it could be good but like this is a kick-ass movie you don't have to make a sequel of

every kick-hack movie I know yeah I know and I think out of all of them I think out of all the actors I think she did the best the best job in the entire movie she actually did fantastic yes she was awesome and super fucking weird

very quirky I mean she catches your attention immediately When she shows up, what is it, to the principal to talk to him? Yeah. Benedict Wong, another guy that we didn't talk about. He was awesome, too, in this movie. I was like, man, why are you letting that lady in her house?

Like, do you not see her hair? Oh, she would have. He didn't want to, though. It was the boyfriend that did it. Yeah, she would have to leave. Oh, that's true. Yeah, he had misgivings. When he was getting her a glass of water, she was like, can I have a bowl? A bowl.

I was like, no, you've got to leave. That's the red flag, huh? All right. I thought she's going to turn into a dog or something. Yeah, but we're also operating under old people rules. Remember, old people get away with anything. Yes, we do. Yes, we do.

Five-dollar movies. Everything they do is cute. They could be racist, disgusting, whatever. They're just cute. So when she asks for a bowl, it was like, it's just an old lady asking for a bowl. That's just, grandma. Come on. She's going to drink the water out of a bowl.

all right. My big question is I'm trying to figure out, okay, so everything we know about, you know, like witchcraft and whatnot, it takes some training, right? I mean, you don't just grab a stick and bleed on it just because you saw someone do it. How did that, how was that kid able to do that?

That's kind of a deus ex-machina to me, you watch her do the thing and say the words. I think, and then you do the thing and say the words. I believe some time. has went by. Yeah, like, he saw her do a lot of that shit. Like, he's been seeing her. I mean, true.

They had been missing for like a year or two. I kind of almost felt like there was a point in the movie where she was kind of taking him on. Yeah. Not as a apprentice. Yeah, because she said, like, when the, when the, Han Solo showed up.

Uh-huh. Who I thought was Jack Nicholson. I thought that was Jack Nicholson son at first. They look a lot of like. When he shows up. she takes care of him she tells the little boy we're going to be leaving tomorrow so yeah okay so i felt like maybe she was probably gonna take him on that makes sense yeah you just answer you're gonna explain that one away like i feel like they gave us enough so to like to like put the

pieces together maybe she was training him also another thing from from from from that kind of lore right from like than witches is that there's like a like a genetic component sometimes family and hereditary Yeah, she is, she is the great aunt to that boy. Right. Right. Or so she says, we even knows. I mean, maybe we'll find out in the prequel. Because I also feel like she was bullshitting.

She was bullshitting the parents, too, like, because they hadn't seen her in years. Yeah. 15 years, I think they said. So, yeah, so that to me it's like more like, if we're going to like nitpick, right? It was more like, you know that if this was real, like the FBI would have been all over that house. And the fact that they just said, I know, I was kind of thinking that too. I know they explained it away. They had a scene where she sends the kids off to the backyard when they come and investigate. But it just, everything was so easy. Like, yeah, that, that, especially because

she had all those newspapers and all that shit, it's just, it's like a big red flag, like right there, especially. Oh, yeah. It's such a small town. It would, that house stood out. So the fact that she got a lot of privacy or the house was left alone to serve the story, that was a little bit of a cop out to me. But then again, it was like a fairy tale. It was a horror story. It wasn't really like a murder mystery. I think what happens with this movie with the criticism that I'm seen is that it were, it presents itself as a murder mystery, right? Where everything is grounded and logical. But really what it is is like a schlocky horror films. And you find that out at the end. Once the witch gets introduced, like, it's like a horror film. And you could

have anything at that point, you know? Maybe she, maybe she, maybe she put a spell to where the town was kind of like didn't really even notice the house. We won't never know unless we get the prequel, I guess. But, um, so I also let that go away. The fact that the house wasn't being investigated. Yeah, that bothered me too. That bothered me too. That bothered me too.

That bothered me too. Ruth, Ruth, she even brings it up to the police. Yeah. I don't know if it was the police or the principal, Benedict Wong. She's like, the house looks suspicious. You know, the,

the windows are covered up and they just kind of brush it to the side. Now, I thought that was a great scene though when she like snuck into the backyard and was like peeking through the newspapers and like saw the two people sitting there. It was like not a jump scare

but like a psychological scare and I liked that a lot. And I loved how they look when they were under the spell to attack somebody like Benedict Wong, that whole scene where he's running and it just cuts to each area. and he's running through and his eyes are so weird

Yeah That was so weird man It was kind of funny during Josh Brolin's thing When he's like talking to Ruth And uh And and and and she's like looking over at him and she's like

Um I think there's a problem Oh shit You know Right I did It was funny But like not funny

It was it was comical But it was not like I was going to say it wasn't supposed to be comical, but I think that it was. It just, they did it. And I really like Josh Brodham's character. Like,

he went from accusing Ruth. Well, that's not her name. I need to stop calling her, Ruth. I know, right. I don't remember her name of the movie. Accusing Justine.

I just kept calling her Ruth. He went from accusing Justine to... Candy or something like that. See, these characters were sold. I remember their last names, too. That's how all written. he went from accusing her to trying to figure out stuff with her

because he gets the ring camp footage and he noticed everybody runs in specific directions. Yeah, how have the cops not looked at this at all? Yes, and also like when when young, when young Han Solo goes into the house, his cop car is there for hours and like the dispatcher would have sent somebody because that has GPS on it, right? Little things like that.

Unless they were under a spell. I did. I did think that was weird because it looks like a regular, like, suburban neighborhood. And this cop car shows up. And you know, suburbia is nosy as a motherfucker too. Yeah. Yeah. Like, they're in anybody's business.

You know what? With his little bit amount of training as the boy had to be able to do what he did at the end. And with her being so powerful that I think that's what was making her sick, right? Like maybe she made some kind of deal with the devil or something like that. It was, you know, maybe she wasn't even old. She might have been like 30-something years old, guys. I bet she was like hundreds of years old, I think. Well, maybe that.

Like, her magic takes so much out of her. I think it was making her sick. But maybe she did have the power to hypnotize the whole town, guys. Yeah. That kind of almost makes sense. And I thought she was like, she was like Wanda in WandaVision, huh? Exactly. Yeah.

But not as hot, though, as a thing. She wasn't as hot. And Jane. James as the homeless drug addict I thought he was like the second best character he was so awesome he was good yeah he was good I like that scene where he's

in the back of the car and everything he did he's in the back of the cop car and he's just complaining and then it cuts to like hours later and he's sitting in the dark and he's just like what the fuck but the Josh Brolin was the fuck what the fuck was the one that yeah the laughs at the theater

the Josh Roland mother fuck was the best one but that was a good one too too. The nightmare? Yeah. The nightmare scene. Yeah. Yeah.

Now here's the thing. I don't know this is where this filmmaker had an agenda or whatever. Because the George Broling, first of all, his kid is a bully, right? His kid is the bully. We know that. Matthew is a bully. But he also has like this whole, like he's like a gun nut, right? And he has this vision of a gun.

Yeah. That's what he thinks about, right? Yeah. So, like, I don't know if there was. like some sort of message there I mean the character was awesome there was a message I just don't know if we got it

I don't know that it was like a school shooting thing I know that I've heard people saying some shit like that I don't think so I think it was just a weapon actually what I've heard is that it was from a weird dream that one of the writers had and he well there you go

it in there but yeah but I think it was that was his click to oh that's a weapon right that makes sense that's where he went from there. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. And he was all fucked up. He's getting the wrong paint color

for his construction job. He's costing him and solve all kinds of money. If you lose your son, I mean, that's going to fuck you up a little bit. He's the one that wrote witch on her car with that. Absolutely. Right. Yeah. That's for sure. And that's what I said earlier. The fact that it was

witch, it kind of gave it away. I thought, foreshadowing. I thought early on, guys, he wasn't. anything. When he was doing the lines and the circle on the map and everything, I thought he was just going off the rails because he was, you know, everything else he fucked up. But there was

actually a method to his madness, right? Yeah. Oh, that totally made sense. It started when Benedict Wong, after that whole situation, he was telling Justine, he was running with his arms out just like the kids were. Yeah. And then he broke out the map and he said

he got the coordinates. Everybody going here, which connected what she was investigating. She was like, I've been here. That's the one kid's house. He did the police. Police just worked for them because they weren't doing anything. So I was like, nobody like

looked at the ring camera footage and was like, hey, all these kids are going in the same fucking direction. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I knocked it off a point. You see a lot of those little inconsistencies. Another thing too is like we're talking about like, oh, we got to trim the fat. Like, let's be real about it.

Like a lot of the story because of the way, because he wanted to bring up the tension. But if you think about it, like a lot of the stories was inconsequential to what was really like, for example, the cop's entire story could have been edited out, right? And they wouldn't have really, and also the guy James. That one was pretty entertaining. No, they were entertaining. But they were of no consequence to the overall story. It was really we're just following them. Because they essentially just became cannon fodder at the end.

for like you know for the big climax yeah you know true so they could have ended up in that house and even if we wouldn't know nothing about them the end result would have been the same so that's where like the runtime is like well maybe he could have cut this that but i but i think it was he also wanted to use that for red herrings right because like when when when he when when he pokes himself with the needle like it makes you think that there's something more going on with that needle like he he freaks out so you're thinking maybe that maybe something happened or there's some sort of virus, you know? So he's using all that stuff to just build the tension of the movie,

but those stories are inconsequential to the movie. So in a way, it's a good writing job, but it's also kind of a con, you know? Because you could edit a lot of that stuff out, and you would have had the exact same movie. I'd be pretty super pissed if I got stuck by a junkie's needle to, to be honest. Well, okay, so see, that's what's set out to me.

He seems like he's on his deathbed at that. I know, like two seconds. I know, but it's like, holy shit, dude. Did you have AIDS or Epi or some shit? Well, also, he- bullshit. What the fuck? He is in recovery, so you don't exactly want

some heroin to go in your finger when you're trying to recover from that kind of shit. So I can understand that. He was already off the wagon by that point. Oh, that was after he, uh, that shit sailed. Oh, no, yeah, that was after.

Right, that's right. No, yeah. I got to say, the wife was hotter. Yes, she was. Oh, okay. All right. All right, guys. Y'all want to leave it at that?

Speaking of runtime. You got the go home sign already. Okay, well, we'll follow it. Yes, yeah, that's a good movie. Go watch it. You won't regret it. And go not, well, to late now, we've already spoiled the whole shit out of it.

But anyways, I really love this movie, nine on ten. All right. Fantastic. Yeah, Brian's score raised. That's a good thing. My score raised a little on the first movie as we talk. So I'm not hating that.

So we're thinking about rolling out another t-shirt contest, and it's going to be tied to, I think, Apple podcast reviews. So we'll get the details of that out next week. In the meantime, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. Just find us at thehorrorreturns.com. Next week, we're going to check out the brand-new witchboard, and God, we need to move heaven in our or to be sure Nez is here for that. Have to.

And also, I am Zozo. Okay, cool. So until the horror returns again, Phil? We should have done the original again. Good night.