The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #485: The Haunted (1991) & The Conjuring: Last Rites (2025)

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

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Regings victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware, this podcast contains major plot spoilers, and the foulest, of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back! All of our friends and neighbors to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance.

And in the house, we've got the always magnificent, very above board. Minch, man of the hour. Superhero. That's right, folks. Brutal Brine is in the house with me. What's going on, man? Put that on a t-shirt. Give it to me tomorrow.

I'll wear it. Back for another episode. We're just a dynamic duo today. That's it. But we're going to do this thing, man, because we got a lot to talk about. So this is our, what, one to two-hour escape from the insanity of the day-to-day world and work and romance problems and anything else you may be going through.

Leave that shit at the door because you're here at the horror returns now, right, Brian? Yeah, just like the number one wrestling podcast, the wrestling returns with the number one horror podcast. There you go. There you go. Wear it proudly, right? Absolutely. What are we doing? Cool of the week? Sounds like a plan to me I will kick us off Because I only watch one new thing

But there was a couple movies I didn't talk about from last week The first two movies Are both on Hulu ones called the Bayou The Bayou I like it You know I'm a Louisiana Nalans boy I like that

I like that name I think this takes place in your Nekko Woods I can't remember Probably But it's the a typical group of people go out, get stranded, and they're trying to figure out, they're in a plane crash. They survive the plane crash. They've got to figure out how to get to civilization or help or whatever the case is. There's no phone signal. They don't have no radio, no map.

I like it. We've seen it before, but we all love that story. Yeah, but they got to worry about the alligators or crocodiles. I can't remember which ones. In this movie, they seem to be more aggressive and violent than normal. Because, of course, one of the

survivors is a expert on crocodiles and alligators. Of course. Why else would he be in the movie, right? It's like, almost like it was planned or something. Yeah, and they notice, they're doing

the typical, like, you know, make sure you don't do this, don't do that. These are the morning signs you got to look for. But the, she notices that these, I'm going to just say crocodiles. These crocodiles are more aggressive and they're actively trying to kill them, like hunt them down. Okay. That's, that's a twist. Which later they find out why they're so aggressive. I'll leave that, I'll leave that one alone for, I don't want to spend. spoil it, but

I thought it was decent. It's not nothing new. You get some practical effects kind of mixed in with the CGI stuff. Okay. I prefer more of the practical effects. Practical effects were decent. I didn't care for none of the CGI effects.

It looked a little cheap. CGI crocs, huh? Yeah. Nobody I know. I recognize we're in this. So it's kind of a bunch of unknowns. Right. But if you're into this type of movie, it's on Hulu. And after I watched that, I checked out another movie, which I noticed was on a few, like, top horror movies or underrated horror movies of 2025, and that's It Feeds.

It Feeds. I think I've heard of this one. Yeah, essentially, it gave me a lot of nightmare on Elm Street vibes with going into dreams and going into your mind and stuff like that. Basically, this lady, she's not a fortune teller, but she's able to, like, go into your mind and see your thoughts and memories and just kind of help you with your problems. Okay. She has, like, a gift. And this girl shows up needing help, and she kind of doesn't want to help her. And then she noticed she gets a vision of something really bad from her. And she really doesn't want to help her.

but her daughter, who's also like her assistant, really wants to help this girl. Okay. And it kind of has the gift as her mom. Kind of gets into some trouble to where the mom has to get involved and go help. And it just gave me nightmare on Elm Street vibes because the whole like going into your,

not necessarily dreams, but your memories and your inside your mind. It just really felt like that kind of aspect. And did they, like how did they, like, how did they, do that? Did they kind of like graphically show her, you know, going in there and what she was seeing or did they just imply it? Yeah. It was like, it also gave me the vibe of the cell. Okay. Yes. All right. I see what you're getting at now. She would go, you know, in the cell,

when she would go into her mind, she would be like in a gown or like some kind of outfit, how, basically how she would see herself in this kind of world. Kind of the same thing. she would be put in whatever suppressed memories they're trying to figure out but she would be in an outfit like a dress or something like a black gown and she can see what almost almost like it's more like the cell with that if you know if you remember the cell well no yeah like when she walked into the guy's head and she saw that weird shit like the horse that was standing there and then the panes of glass cut the horse into different pieces. Like real surreal type shit like that?

Yeah, kind of, but the cell was more kind of artsy, kind of abstract, weird, more weird than this movie was. But in that vein. Okay, so this is a little bit more like straightforward then. Yeah. On what she was seeing. But they did represent it then. You could kind of see what she was seeing then.

Yeah. So that one's a pretty good one. watch. That one's also on Hulu. And my last movie I checked out was on HBO Max. We reviewed the trailer like months ago and we were trying to figure out what the vibe of the movie was

because it's a comedy but the trailer made it seem like a horror movie. That's A24's friendship. Friendship. See, I don't remember this one by the title. Yeah, it stars Paul Rudd. And I can't remember the other guy's name.

Yes. It wasn't for me, dude. I got like 10 minutes into it. I think you liked it more than I did, I'm guessing. Yeah, I'm going to give it the cool of the week. Okay. For the fact, I can't remember the main actor's name, the main guy that befriends Paul Rudd. His performance. The Benge Boys talked about him a lot because he had that, he's got that series on Netflix where it's like real surreal skits. It's like a skit show. I know what you're talking about. Oh, man, people are yelling at us right now. Tim Hydecker? Is that his name? Oh, damn it.

Dude, you're going to make me cheat and go into IMDB here. All right. It's more recent than that. It's Tim Robinson? Tim Robinson, okay. Tim Robinson. Kind of a chunky, heavyweight guy a little bit. Well, in this movie, he was a little bit thinner.

Okay. Just his whole performance of the. guy because usually you get when someone's awkward around people they're shy and kind of closed off right but this guy is always trying too hard to be friends with everybody and trying to be a part of the moment kind of like i love you man speaking of paul rudd yeah just paul rudd kind of befriending him uh-oh just gets gets to the point where it gets weird and paul rudd's just kind of like maybe we shouldn't hang out anymore and then that just kind of sends this to tim robinson you said yeah Tim Robinson yeah kind of just sends him spirin out of control where he can't function at work he can't

function in his marriage he's a horrible husband because you get the opening scene his wife's at a meeting because she's a survivor of cancer and she's talking about that's the scene i saw yeah she's talking about she she can't orgasm and then he just jumps in the conversation it was like i I have no problem. And the group's kind of looking at him, like, what's wrong with you? Yes. But based off his performance and then Paul Rudd,

not really being the comedic guy in this one. He's the straight man in this one, huh? Yeah. So based off those performances, it's not going to be like my top 10 movie of the year or anything, but I just enjoyed the performances. Okay. I see where they kind of made it seem like it was going to be a horror movie,

just how this guy kind of spirals out of control. Because you get the scene where Paul Rudd's looking at a sports car, and he was like, this is my dream car, and he's like kind of talking about it. But Tim Robinson's not really paying attention because he's just fantasizing about him and Paul Rudd driving down the street in the sports car together. And I can see where they were kind of making it seem like

it's more dark than you would think it is. So I'm going to give it the cool of the week. All right. Friendship, huh? I've got to check it out. I'll go back and watch it. Maybe I just wasn't in the mood for it, you know? Yeah, it's on Max.

Got Kate Marr plays his wife. Sure. Yeah. The kid from It, the 2017. I want to play Eddie, his son. Okay. There's a couple of other people that kind of pop up in there. All right. So is it one of those that, like, you kind of got to have a certain sense of humor to get the jokes?

It's not like slapstick spot on the nose jokes, right? Kind of makes you cringe just the way he acts around people. Yeah, okay. I'll go back and check it out. It almost made me feel like, are you like this in real life, or is this, are you just really that good at playing this character? It's probably a little of each. What you got? All right, dude, you sold me. I'll go back and check it out.

I didn't give it a fair shake. Yeah, I saw that first scene you were talking about. And something about, like, did one of them have like a, like a tooth or a bone or something they were carrying around at the beginning or an egg? Fossilized? Can't remember. I don't either. Oh, it was, I think Paul R.

Rudd had something because he like collects weird things that he thinks are unique and cool and he's kind of showing the guy and I think he starts like trying to like go online and order to like things similar so he can be like oh guess what I have I collect the same thing as you like Paul Rudd shows him like a dagger and like this was from this time this ancient time and then Tim Robinson goes home and orders one and then he has his friends from work come over and he pulls it out the box and it's like a little miniature like knife or letter opener and they're all kind of like

what the fuck is this? And he's all, it's from ancient times. It's rare and they're kind of like, get the fuck out of here. It's a letter opener. All right. I'll go with it, man. I'll give, you talk me into it. All right.

There's a letter, letter opener probably like from the, like, 1800s or something like that? It was legit, like three, four inches long. And he's referring to it as it's like a dagger or knife or something. Okay. Okay. Anything else, man? Did you watch any TV shows or anything? Of course, I'm week to week with Alien Earth.

another fantastic episode. I'm a little bit behind you, but I'm a little bit behind. I'm an episode behind on Peacemaker. I'll probably watch that tonight. What new episode comes out. We're recording on a Thursday, so I'll have two episodes to watch tonight.

And I did start another show on Amazon, Butterfly with Daniel Day Kim. Give me a synopsis. He is, he used to be a hit man and he started a company and I guess things were happening in the company to where he

had to kind of like leave and kind of disappear and he resurfaces because he finds out his estranged daughter who he hasn't seen in like 10 years is hired by the company he created to be an assassin and he's basically trying to pull her out

the company trying to tell her these people did me wrong. There's reasons why I left and disappeared and now you work for them. That has potential. Yeah. And I like him.

I like him as an actor. Yeah, I'm only at one episode end, but the action sequences were pretty good and the stories got me intrigued because I kind of want to know what the reason was. Because he, like I said, he helped create this company that

puts out hits on people. It's kind of like a non-government organization and you started it. Why didn't you? Why couldn't you just change? You know, if you started it and you were in the head guys, why couldn't you just change things?

Why did you have to leave and disappear? And now that you're back in the scene to get your daughter and the company knows, why are they trying to not bring you in or anything? They're like trying to, they tried to have his daughter like kill him. Like they said, we got a, we got a, oh no.

you. Okay. Yeah, we got a contract for you, eliminate this target. And when she goes to eliminate him, like, he's basically, like, leaving things behind that she's finding. And she's like, I know this person. Like, they don't even tell her it. They don't tell her it's her father, but they kind of play like they didn't know. It could have been her father.

And it's got some mystery to it. I like that setup, man. I like that a lot. What is that on? Prime. Prime. Okay. Prime has some good stuff from time to time.

Then they had the War of the Worlds movie. Which is good on other levels. True. There's also a new show I'll probably talk about next week. I haven't watched it yet, but it looks interesting. It's on HBO Max, Task. I heard about this one. He's like on a task force.

Yeah, it looked a little. I saw the trailer, looked a little boring to me. Yeah. But. I'm going to give it an episode or two, see where it goes. I got you. But what you got this week? I, well, I took your advice and checked at a movie that was kind of a slow burn at first, but it had some really intense action scenes in it, too.

And at the end, it was, it was, yeah, it was very, heartwarming and at the end a little sad she rides shotgun I checked it out and I enjoyed it quite a bit man I thought it was a nice well-rounded movie you know it wasn't like all brainless action

but when they had like you know some of those car chase scenes and stuff like that it was it was hard to look away right I thought it was the little girl put on a great performance too I was kind of thinking Oscar nominee man I mean you never know sometimes there's a little kid that's nominated,

you know, kind of at the left field. For example, spoilers for anybody, like skip ahead like a minute. But that scene at the end when she tries to help her father get untied and the main, what's, Twistie the Clown from... Yes, Twistie the Clown. The Horror Story. Yes.

He comes in and he kind of knocks her to the side. And the way she screams and cries, I'm like, did you guys like really throw that girl? to the ground. Yeah, she was convincing, man. That was one of the better child performances I've seen in quite a few years. Yeah, I'm surprised Taryn Ederson isn't bigger than he is because he put on a pretty good performance too.

Yeah, I liked everything about it, you know. It had everything I like. It had the slow burn element. It had the crime element. Oh, I love the way they set it up, by the way, where you don't know if this dude is some crime. creeper that's in his car trying to get her to come over. What the hell is going on here?

Yeah. She's waiting for her mom to pick her up from school. That was effective. Yeah. And then when you realize who he is, you're still not sure if he's, like, trustworthy or is, is Taryn Edgson the bad guy or is he's a good guy? What's going on? Oh, yeah.

They did a good job setting that up. So, yeah, I enjoyed it. Definitely thumbed. TV. Oh, I finished Ironheart. I had two episodes left on that. I finally got caught up on that. You like the surprise cameo?

Yeah, you're talking about Mephisto? Yeah, we can say it. The show's been over for months. Okay. Yeah, so is Sasha Baron Cohen going to continue to play him in the future, I wonder? Is he part of the MCU now?

Yeah, I'm here. hearing there's plans to insert him. Yeah. Or other storylines. Probably something to do with Dr. Strange or... That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, he was kind of,

kind of that slimy type character. Like, you know, you know you can't trust this dude, but it's hard not to. And I like the way they kind of ended it for you. They left some mystery at the end because you saw her hand coming out, but you didn't see her hand actually. touch is. Yeah. It's it's it's not a bad show. I just think I really hate when people do that

review bomb stuff just because they don't like certain things because I I heard within 20 minutes of the first three episodes dropping people were dropping reviews on the first three episodes. Like you actually had time to watch three episodes in 20 minutes? Sure. Well, maybe I mean, all right, so maybe they were like press, people that got to see the, got to see the episodes early. And like the minute that that embargo was lifted, maybe they could post it. I don't know. I think this was the audience score. Ah, okay.

Well, I don't know, man. It was okay. For me, it was kind of like a middle of the road, you know, Marvel. It was no daredevil. Yeah, it's not. But I just, yeah, I agree with you 100%. I just think it's not as bad as some people like. on a scale one to ten, people were basically saying it was like a one or two.

No, it's by no means bad. It's just kind of, I don't know, it's just kind of filler for me a little bit, you know? But a lot of the Marvel TV stuff, to me, kind of becomes filler. Like every once in a while you have a standout, but like everybody was so gaga about Loki. I wasn't. I wasn't like super gaga about it. I didn't think it was the best thing since sliced bread, you know, like, I did. I'm getting tired of this multi-dimensional, multi-timeline stuff.

I kind of wish they'd get more to grassroots, you know, like the daredevil and Iron Fist and that type of thing. I'm excited for the new Spider-Man. I am too. You got Punisher, possibly Daredevil, the Hulk involved. I said it's more like a street level. Hmm. What's his name?

Nacho? From Breaking Bad. Nacho, that's right. Remember, he was in the first one as the Scorpion. He's coming back and it's... The Scorpion is back. What I'm hearing, he's going to be in costume. Oh, cool.

So... Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, man. Gotta love Nacho, right? Yeah. So, yeah, I'd give it. I'd give it more of like a, maybe a six, six or seven, you know? Yeah, that's fair. All right, what else?

Oh, Wednesday. I think I'm about like six episodes into that. That's fun. It's kind of like a CW. Y-A-type show, you know, but... Yeah, I'm not... I'm not done with first season. I'm kind of working my way slowly through it.

But I heard a lot of people said season two was nowhere near as good as season one. I disagree. There's some stuff. For one thing, you get a lot more Louis Guzman. And he's killing it. I really like him. Because in this season, like in the first season, they only showed the family a little bit,

and it was all her. And then this season has a lot more of the rest of the Adams family in it. And I kind of like that. So, I don't know, man. I'd probably, again, I'd give it about a six or a seven. You know, not bad. I think I said last week, you know, that I wrapped up Dexter. I'm three episodes into Alien Earth,

loving it. It's like a, every episode is like a movie, like movie quality, theater movie quality shows. I think that's about it. I did watch a Hallmark Christmas movie, Brian. Oh, it's too early for that. Do not ask, well, we're going to lose our Hallmark channel in about 15 days, so. Oh, you're not keeping it? No. I'm not keeping that. I'm not keeping night flight. I'm not keeping shutter. Is that what it's called?

Not shutter. Screen box. What's that? Screen box? Yeah, screen box is going to go by-bye. I just can't keep all these. Oh, dude, I did get my Netflix down from 27 bucks a month to 17.

I kicked all the grain kids off. So I've got it for just two TVs. I'm cutting. it's actually going to end up costing me because I'm cutting peacock because they're not showing you're not showing they're not shutting they're not showing WWPLEs no more that's what I heard yeah to the brand new ESPN app which is probably with what I was paying for peacock is probably going to cost me another five dollars extra okay and it really I'm only doing it because me and nez you know we do the number one wrestling podcast out there the wrestling returns

number one it pisses me off that i have to pay for this app that i'm probably legit only going to use once maybe twice a month yeah and you have to get it that's the problem you can't just get it for a month you've got to they got it figured out they're they're figuring these streaming things out dude yeah lance i tell you figuring them out i remember the heyday is the WWE network. It was $9.99 a month. You got everything. Now you have to have...

Now you have to have... I think me and Nes were talking about it. It's like five or six different streaming apps if you want to watch all the WWE content. They're all spread out. Just like the NFL games, dude. They're all spread out too. It's this company TKO that own them in the UFC.

See, the UFC makes sense. If you own Paramount Plus, you're going to get to watch all the pay-per-views with no extra cost. As it should be, right? Yeah. One source. But I don't understand. They also not only own the USC, they own WWE, and they're just like spacing everything out. You have to have, if you want to watch this show, you have to have Peacock, you have to have ESPN Unlimited,

you have to have Netflix, you have to have Tooby, you have to have who live, Yeah, they give it to you, man. Well, at least Tubeby's still free, right, for now? Yeah, and the show they have on Toobie is more like the up-and-coming, just-got-signed unknown talent, which is a very excellent show because every now and then I watch a new wrestler, and I'm like, this wrestler is probably going to be the future of WWE. So that's good.

that you don't have to pay for it on 2B. But you want to watch Monday Night Raw, you have to have Netflix, and you have to have ESPN for PLEs. And if they have Saturday, matter of fact, you have to still have, you have to still have Peacock if they have,

every now and then they have Saturday night main event. Okay. And they said that's going to stay on Peacock. So you would have to keep Peacock to watch that. Of course it is. Of course it is. They got it figured out, man. And they know there's a lot of wrestling fans out there.

Yeah, but I'm cutting Peacock. That was the only, I watched a couple things, like the twisting metal and a couple, every now and then they have a movie on there. But if it wasn't WW, I'd rather use that app. So that one is definitely getting cut. I feel you on that one. It makes sense. Makes sense.

You can't have them all, man. You know? It'd be nice, but it's just they're not making things affordable nowadays. Sure. Yeah, all the prices are going up. Then if you get streaming apps with ads, they're showing like between five to ten ads per movie. It's ridiculous.

You're watching 10, 15 minutes into a movie and they're showing an ad. Yeah. I don't play the ad game, dude. That's where I draw. the line. I'll cut the price down as much as I can for streaming, but I ain't getting those ads, dude. I ain't got to pay for something and then also watch ads. That's just something's not right about that. Yeah, but right now that's all I can afford. I have to go ad-based. Yeah. I guess you do what you got to do. Thank God for some of those anonymous movie dudes out there,

right? Yeah, Netflix isn't actually that bad. Because I'm afraid of me and my daughter. She's never seen the Walking Dead, so we've been going through that. Oh boy. We're on season four. So when it was still good, in other words. Yeah, we're on season four after the first confrontation with the governor. Oh, I love pre.

I love Pre-Negan Walking Dead. Yeah, she's loving it, and she's learning quickly that you can't you can't think that your favorite characters is going to stick around much longer because there's a few

She was kind of, when it happened, she just turned and looked at me like, did that really just happen? Right. And I'm like, we're not. Not used to that. Without trying to spoil it, I'm like, we're not even to the shocking deaths yet. Yeah. Yeah, that one's been a good watch too. All right.

All right. So the Walking Dead. I've got, all right, so I've got, I think I went through my TV. I went through my one movie. I just got to cover two books, Brian. Okay. I started watching, I started reading a book called Mr. Slaughter. And it's a, it's Robert McCammon book, and it said in the Matthew Corbett series,

which is a dude that's like in the early 1700s. I think it's like 1704, 1706 when this book takes place. So he's in New York City, and, you know, Dealer would like. horses going down the street and all the shit piling up that they have to walk through and you can't walk the dark streets alone because you liable to get mugged you know and every every uh every other building's a whore house they've got like they've all got syphilis of course you know so yeah mr mr slaughter is a character that um that him and this other dude pick up to make to make they're they're being paid five pounds to go pick this murder up from the asylum and bring him into justice so they can hang him.

And they, they, this guy convinces them. I don't want to give too much away in case anybody wants to read it, but he convinces him that he's got some treasures stashed away. So they kind of go off the beaten path and follow him to where the treasure is. And I'll just say a lot ensues from that. So it's a good book. It's good read. I like the Matthew Corbett series. But Brian, Michael of the week. I've talked about it before. I finally finished it. The compilation, short story book, The End of the World as We Know It, because these stories, yeah, they're all set. Like I've said, they're set in the universe of Stephen King's masterpiece, The Stand. You've seen the movies, right, Brian? The miniseries and all? I've seen the original one, like, once when it came out.

So if I was to watch it now, it'd probably be like a rewai, or if, first time viewing. And I never saw the new one. All right. Well, the short story collection is really good. I picked up a couple of authors that I'm going to look for some of their other works. Because that's what I like. It's kind of like when you see a movie like VHS, you know, when you're like, I really

like that one. What else is this dude directed, that type of thing? Yeah. So it was good to be back in that universe again. We never ran into any of the characters we know. But thinking back on it, that's probably a good thing. you know, because they would have had to try to retcon stuff. When they do the new movie, they're working on and all that.

So cool of the week, the end of the world as we know it, which maybe where we're headed, Brian, but in the meantime, countdown to destruction, right? And he got any news for the week? We got a lot of TV news. All right. Let's see. First black mirror creator, Charlie Brooker,

is reuniting with Netflix for a new four-part crime thriller about a ritualistic serial killer and they've already, it's not titled yet, and they've already cast Patty... Lupone? Concedentine? I don't know who that is. Oh, Patty, P-A-D-D-D-Y, the Irish actor.

Patty Considine. Yeah, you'd know him if you saw him. Okay, Georgina Campbell, I do know her from Barbados. Barian and Lena Hedy. Yep. That's a good cast. That's three powerhouses right there.

Let's see. Sticking with Netflix, Fred Armisen has confirmed you were just talking about Wednesday that he'll reprise his role as Uncle Fester in a new Wednesday spin-off series. Okay. It was kind of

rumored, but he just came out and confirmed it himself that it is happening. Cool. I'm in. You know, it's, it's fun TV.

It's not, you know, it's definitely no fall of the house of usher, Brian. Yeah. But it's fun TV.

This one is not official, but it's something Brian Fuller says he would like to do. We all know Brian Fuller. Oh,

he's all over the place. Yeah. You and me really know him from the Hannibal series, which we, Patreon listeners, we will get back to it. Yes.

he wants to do a Silence of the Lamb's mini series, a limited series. Okay. Or kind of like a reimagining. So he's obviously a big Tom Harris fan. Yeah. And this is not official or anything, but he said he would love to cast Zendaya as Clarice. I mean, sure, why not? I mean, anybody could play that part as long as they care.

but can she get the... The accent. What was it? Where was she from? Not Georgia. Oh, come on. We're all the... West Virginia, right?

She was a West Virginia girl. That's a tough accent to get, man. Yeah, I really enjoy Zendaya and a lot of stuff. And I think this would be a... Well, she's done... She's starting to do different stuff with Dune and stuff like that. But I think this would just kind of be really... different for her to do and I would like to see her tackle it.

But yeah, you got to do that accent right. Well, we'll see what kind of range she's got, man. Yeah, but that's not official. That's just something he would like to do. I would like him to get that final season of Hannibal. Yeah? Because they keep talking about bringing it back and finishing it. Yeah, my son would love that.

It's one of his favorite shows of all time. He ought to join us for a podcast if we're going to be doing that again. Absolutely. Matter of fact, let's make that happen. Patreon. Hannibal, what are we on? Season two? We did one and two.

One and two? Yeah. Whatever season we're on. Okay. Tell your son to, if he needs to catch on up when he's ready, he'll join us for Patreon. All right. I better double check my math there. I think we did one and two.

dude it's been what three years I think since we've me and naz just dropped a stream fiends episode and we found out we haven't dropped one in over a year Hannibal we only did season one Brian so you were right we're going on to two tell them to brush up on season one

and we'll we'll do season two all right so you got a fresh stream fiends out yeah we did because we did the toxic Avenger directed by making Blair. It made me think of the

movie Blue Ruin that he starred in. That makes sense. Gotcha. So that one's out. Okay. And everybody that's downloaded it, appreciate it. Hopefully we're back on a regular schedule.

We won't take a year to drop another stream fiends. What are we going to do the next Amityville show, Brian? I have a new cast. of hosts put together. We just have to schedule

because I'll just say it right here. I was trying to keep it as surprise until we dropped the episode. Steve said he would join us for the Amityville. Oh, that makes perfect sense. Yeah, that tracks. We're retitling it. The Amityville returns.

Appropriately so, man. And the next episode of that was basically going to be all Steve. he was going to watch the movies me and nez already talked about the i think it was the first three amityville movies the official ones okay basically the episode was going to be him giving us his thoughts on it so whenever we can work out that whenever we can work out that schedule we'll get that out but right now me and nes are trying to concentrate we just we got action returns another one right trying to get through Zim had some requests, so we're trying to fulfill those.

Nice. So I think we're back on schedule, so. Okay. All right, more TV news. Are you familiar with the game? Life is Strange? No. Kind of like you have to choose this or that.

And every time you play a game, it's like a different outcome. Okay. It's pretty popular. Yeah, I think I've seen one of my grandsons post about it. Is it kind of a newer game? Yeah, it's not that old. It's kind of like a horror fantasy game. Amazon has officially greenlit a series for it,

and it's going to be written and show run by Charlie Covel, who did, I think this was a Netflix show, The End of the Fucking World. Okay. Sure. And Argo Robbie's Lucky Chap Productions or Lucky Chap Entertainment is also a producer on it. Okay. So it's, I know the game.

I don't really know a lot about it. It's my daughter has a list of games she wants to play. And she said this is one of them. So we might, if it's a horror game, we might add it because I'm trying to play some horror games for October. So might add it to the list. Kind of going with our movie reviews tonight, HBO MX's Conjuring series is officially happening. They've locked in a creative team of Nancy Wan,

who's worked on Supernatural and Jessica Jones as showrunner. Okay, gotcha. Peter Cameron, who's written WandaVision and Cameron Squires, who's worked on Moon Night are going to be writing the series. And of course, James Wan is producing. Of course, producing.

That's quite a rogue's gallery of show creators, dude. That's going to be interesting to see how that turns out. Yeah, it was kind of, it's been rumored for like a year if the show was going to move forward or not, but this is official that they got a showrunner and a writing team. Okay. Uh, Patrick and Patrick Wilson, Vera Formiga might be done, but the conjuring continues. Yeah, I mean, that's the rumor, right?

Yeah. All right, into some movie news. Jody Comer and Henry Melling are going to be in a taxidermy-themed horror romance called Stuffed. Okay, sure. The only thing I know Henry Melling. from is he was in Harry Potter. Okay. One of many.

Jody Comer, we just seen her and 28 years later. Okay. So there's that. Not too excited. I guess we'll see what... That sounds stupid, but... Yeah, I like her and things I've seen her in,

but I don't know. I have to see more on it, a taxidermy-themed horror romance. Very strange. Let's see, Harriet Slater, she's star of taro and the Outlander spinoff. There's more than one Outlander show? Yeah, blood of my blood. Oh, I'm watching that too.

Forget to mention that one. Well, you're probably familiar with her. Is she the redhead? The picture I've seen, she's blonde. Okay. Well, you know how they dye their hair sometimes for these roles. She's going to be the lead. in fall two

the sequel to the sequel to the 2022 survival oh where they were up on the really high structure okay um I mean it was fun kind of brainless right yeah I really wish I saw that one in theater just to see that might make a difference

on the big screen that would probably make a difference yeah they have to be really creative this time why why would somebody be in this a different situation that high up? Seems weird, doesn't it?

Yeah, but I had fun with the first one, so I'll give the new one a chance. And I don't remember her from Tarot because that movie's forgettable. Yeah, except for Ned, right? Well, yeah, because

we kept calling him Ned. That was not even his character's name. It might have been. I could. tell you. Yeah. The way that movie played, they probably was like, let's just call him Ned in the movie. Sure.

Have you seen a... It's not a short, but it's not a full-length movie. It's called Milk and Serial. I talked about it on YouTube. Yeah, yeah. I did see that one last October. Yeah, Curry Barker, the director of that. is doing a movie called Anything But Ghosts, and Jason Blum is going to be producing it.

So apparently he shopped this idea. Yeah. And Blumhouse picked it up. I was going to say it sounds like it has potential, because I like making milk and cereal. But, dude, I'm afraid he's going to get Blummed. Yeah, I think what they probably like is, from what I understand, he made milk and cereal for like $800. That's, yeah, that makes sense.

That makes sense. Jason Blum is probably like, oh, you can make it on the cheap. Yeah, probably make $28 million opening weekend or something. Yeah, they'll probably give him like $2 million and they'll probably, like he said, gross, like $28 million opening weekend. One point, $1.8 million might go up, you know, the noses of all the people working on the film if he can make it look good that good for 800 bucks you know yeah 28 million opening weekend jason bloom won't care if it's good or not true true uh few more things and then we'll be out of onto the trailer park marlin waynes has confirmed scary movie six is on the way revealing

seven films that are set to be spoofed those seven films are i know what you did last summer okay Scream. Okay. Oh, okay. I like that. Long legs. I like that. Get out. I like that.

Nope. I like that. And you and my number one movie of the year sinners. I mean, I wish he hadn't told us that, you know, because I like to watch those movies and watch for those Easter eggs and those clues that this is the movie we're spoofing. Now, these are just, these are just the confirmed. Well, hopefully they'll, yeah, hopefully there'll be a lot of surprises in there, you know? Yeah.

Anna Ferris and Regina Hall are official for returning to the movie, and official release date is June 12, 2026. Okay. I'll be there, dude. I just kind of wish I didn't know what the movies were, but that's cool. Something I'm not happy with, Fetei Alvarez will not return to direct Alien Romulus sequel. He's only going to be involved in the story, but he's handing off to directing duties. Last time he did that, we got Don't Breathe 2. A heroic rapist, huh?

movie was so confused. Very bad. And finally, we talked about the dead stream makers are doing the Amityville Horror. Yes. We have a second Amityville horror movie in the works,

this time from David F. Sandberg, who we last seen him direct until dawn. Mm-hmm. Which I enjoyed. I think we both enjoyed it. So we got two Amityville movies coming from two, filmmakers that we enjoy their movies.

I think it's going to be great, and it's going to keep you busy. That's the important thing. Oh, as soon as Amityville returns comes back. I'm looking for it. I'm counting down the days. You don't even know how many Amityville movies there are. At least a dozen, right? At least a dozen?

More. Okay. Last time I checked there was probably like 60 or 70. Oh, man. There may even be like fan films and stuff, right? Yeah, I don't even know. I don't know if it's like free domain or whatever. You could just put the Amityville name on there.

Seems that way. Show an outline of the house in the background and then have to have the movie be about something. Have the movie be about something completely nothing to do in Amniville. Yes. But on that note, that is the news. All right. All right, on that note, Brian, you ready to head down to the trailer park? Let's do it.

All right, let's do it. Let's get the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. What's our first new trailer tonight? We were going to talk about the upcoming comedy horror movie, Coyotes. Let's see. Trapped in their Hollywood Hills home, a family fights for survival when caught between a raging wildfire and a pack of savage coyotes. This is directed by Colin Minahan.

Sure. And this stars Mila Harris, Brittany Allen, real life husband and wife, Justin Long and Kate Bosworth. Okay. Catherine McNamara. She looks familiar.

Name sounds familiar. She was in The Stand and Maze Runner. Okay. I'm not... I'm not... Yeah, I'm not, it's not, it's not ringing a bell, but the name sounds familiar. She's got to be known more from that.

Right. What'd you think of coyotes? I don't know, dude, this looks stupid. I like Justin Long, typically, and I love his, kind of like many horror renaissance that he's been going through the last couple of years, but this didn't have anything for me, man. This looked silly. What did you think? I think this is going to be so stupid that it's going to be good. You do?

I think it's going to be ridiculous. I'm hoping it's like that movie I saw earlier this year. The horrible dog. Yep, I knew you were talking about that. That's what I'm hoping for. But that one, I think the reason why the breed worked for me is because I think they knew what they were doing. Yeah. This one, I think they're trying to.

be clever with it. Seems that way. Yeah, so I don't know. I like Justin Long. Kate Bosworth's fine. Yeah. I don't know if them playing husband and wife

and them being married in real life is going to actually do something for me in the movie. Maybe because they're not even listed as the leads. Yeah, they're just kind of secondary characters, it seems like, right?

Yeah, so if they're secondary characters, their chemistry is not going to be a factor in the movie. Makes sense. I don't know. Maybe there'll be some cool kills. The coyotes look horrible. They do. But the thing they'll probably ruin is if the comedy doesn't work.

Yeah, and to me, at least from the trailer, the comedy didn't work. So, I don't know. This has got to be a direct video, right? theater October 3rd this this October 3rd already yeah

well they've been hiding this one a little bit then right I've never heard of it before now yeah if it's theaters it'll probably be limited and this will probably be streaming or available to rent

sometime before October is over Well So maybe I'll talk about it for our 31 days roundup You can do it so I don't have to How about that? I jump on the grenade on a lot of movies for you guys I know you do man

And we appreciate it And our second and final trailer is Come on pull up Brian Fuller's written and directed Dust Bunnies There's your Brian Fuller again starring Mads Mikkelson Sigourney Weaver

David Dalsmaltian Who else is in here I think there's somebody else Who else do you need? That's all the only ones I recognize Yeah Okay synopsis An eight-year-old girl

Ask her Scheming neighbor for help And killing the monster Under the bed that she thinks Ate her family Sounds interesting enough It looks it looks like it has elements of horror it looks more fantasy to me and I'm very

intrigued on the the scene in the trailer where he wants to know why she would come to him to fight monsters right because I think he said what makes you think I know how to kill monsters and it's it's always nice to see Mads Mikkelson playing somebody that's not going to eat you. Yes. From a director that's had him eat many people, right? Yeah, because I didn't mention in Cool the Week. That's another show, me and my daughter are kind of going through.

We kind of went, going through season one of Hannibal. So when she watched this trailer with me, she was like, he plays good guys. Sometimes. Yeah, kind of an anti-hero, it looked like, right? Like, he's got a dark pass for sure. Yeah. he kind of makes me feel like when we watch it and get into the story that maybe he did some bad things in the past

and this is kind of going to be a redemption redemption storyline for sure yeah I just hope that it's actual monsters and not like a metaphor or in her head I think it will be I think it will be you know I mean all horror movies are metaphors to an extent right

I mean, just like sci-fi. I mean, look at the Babaduke. But, no, dude, I'm all about this one. Like, I had the exact opposite reaction to this trailer as I did the first one. So you've got Mads-Michelson and Sigourney Weaver, and that's really all I needed to hear. But, yeah, it has a... At David Dawson in there. The Pocodot man himself, for sure.

And Bison. That's right. Yeah, I'm all in, dude. This looks really good. And I like that. I know it doesn't really affect the movie, but I did like the effect at the end there when you had the words on the screen and they kind of floated away like it was wind blowing sand or dust, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, this one looks great. This one looks great. Is this one coming out pretty soon too? let's see what I got here on IDB December 12 okay so we don't have to wait too long for it then nope and I think I'm gonna I haven't done the schedule that far out but I'm see if I can work it in because I'm

right there with you I'm interested in this one all right don't forget now we're gonna we're gonna owe at least a couple of commentaries which hopefully maybe we can fit one in by the end of the year or something, you know? Yeah, I'm working on it. All right, yeah. We've got a lot of stuff coming out in the next couple months. All right, so it sounds like we both like this trailer then.

Yeah, I mean, we like Brian Fuller. We like the cast, fantasy horror. I mean, I'm in. What's not to like? Yeah, and that is the final trailer. All right. On that note, we'll get into listener feedback. And this week, we're going to shine the podcast spotlight on Don't Open This Podcast. Did I get it right this week, Brian? I think so. Okay. Take a guided tour into Terror as Mike and Tim, bring new fans and old into the world of horror every second and fourth Monday. You've been warned, don't open this podcast. All right.

Here we go. We got an email. Email. What a concept, Brian. We usually read this stuff from what's in our Facebook group, but refreshing to get an actual email. The art of letter writing is not dead. We got an email from our friend Sean Henry and patron. He said, I wanted to stop in and say hello first and foremost. Well, hello, Sean.

Hey. I hope everything is going well with you guys. I've missed being able to help with commentary episodes. He was our go-to for a little while. Sean's the commentary guy. Sean, you'll be back. Like Lance mentioned earlier, we have some commentaries we got to do. For sure, for sure.

All right, I have found myself with a surplus of free time. I was wanting to offer any assistance with episodes like we did earlier this year. And if you need help last minute on the regular episodes as well, just let me know. We got to keep that in mind. We could have called Sean tonight, Brian, come to think of it. Yeah. Didn't even think of that. Let's see, where was I here?

Just let me know I would be happy to help. Additionally, here comes the commentary question, I think. I was wondering if we could do a Stephen King movie. The Long Walk is coming out soon, and I don't think that the Bat-Crap movie Dreamcast, has been done yet. I think we have our pick, Brian. Dream Catcher.

Commentary on Dream Catcher. You know what? I kind of have, I don't know why. I kind of like that movie. It's not great. I like the book. Yeah. I don't know.

Maybe it's just the performances were so weird. Right. I would love to do a commentary and revisit that movie. Wasn't John Boy from the Walton's in that one, if I remember? Yeah, I think Timothy Oliphant was in there. Oh, I'd forgotten about him. All right. Yeah, he's always good.

Talk about having a lot of range. I never thought I would see him playing this character he's playing in Alien Earth. Jason Lee, I think is in there. Who? Jason Lee from Marratt. Okay. Well, I can't remember who else is in it. That means it's been too long.

We need to catch up. What's his name from the mist? What's his nuts? Thomas Jane. Thomas Jane? Oh, that's who. Okay, okay. I was thinking old school, like the dude from the Walton's.

But yes, Thomas Jane. I think I mixed them up. So he says, that is a wild movie to say the least. So can we consider it written down? for in the future, Brian? Yeah, I will try to work it in the schedule. Like I said, we got a very busy couple of months, so... Yes, we do.

We will get to it sooner or later. A lot of new stuff out. All right, our friend Stephen Loblad, and super patron Stephen Loblad, I might add. He says, let's do commentary on the original saw. So there you go. We're pouring in, Brian. he also chimed in what an insanely good show Dexter Resurrection is. You are correct, Steve. You are correct.

Scott Motisco sent us an email. Director Michael Casey was kind enough to pass on your request for a screener. I'm happy to send a screener along for No More Tears in Hell for your review. Have you seen this one, Brian? No, but I will have it watched. and I will talk about it next week. All right. He says, oh, yeah, I was going to say,

so we do have this screener in the inbox, and I have gotten, or we, I should say, we've gotten another email, and I think Michael's down for a future show with us. So I'll pick his brain and see what his fancy is. You were talking about Blue Ruin earlier, and Amanda Hague says, Eve Plum, Heart, Heart, Heart.

uh, Bjorn Van Lent says that's not homework, that's a privilege. Great movie. You called it movie homework. Yeah, she's right. It's great movie.

All right. Uh, Hellraiser Hellworld, or Rearring Hellraiser Hell World, Rob Cheshire, underrated. Also found a cool green DVD case for the sleeve. So there you go. That's cool. I wish they would do

more stuff like that instead of just having regular Blu-ray blue case. I think we'll see more of that. I think we'll see more. Yeah, because the way physical media is going, I think it's going to be more collectible.

Yeah, I agree. Not as mainstream, so they'll probably get more creative with the artwork and the case and stuff like that. I'll bet the Toxic Avenger comes out with a pretty cool case. What do you think? I think I've seen they're coming out with a steel book that has

pretty cool artwork on it. Well, Nez will jump all over that one. Nez probably has a pre-ordered already. Probably so. Regarding the boy from below, do you know what that is? Boy from below. The boy from below.

That might be a new movie poster I've posted, so... I figured. Answering the next comment, I'm not sure. I think it's a new movie, so I don't know if it's good or not. Mark Rogerson? Yeah, Mark Rodgerson ask, is it any good?

I don't know. I don't know. The only one of No, that's the boy behind the door. That's the one I'm thinking of. Yeah, I think this is a new movie I posted. I have not seen it. I don't think it's out yet. All right. Well, we'll have to catch up on that one so we can answer Mark.

Regarding the final destination bloodlines, Rob Cheshire says, got this on DVD recently as missed seeing it in the cinema. It's a good one. It's a good one. You picked up a good one, man. Very surprising how good it was.

Regarding splattercast. What is splatter cast, Brian? YouTube channel. They do top ten. They do top ten lists, horror reviews, stuff like that. All right. Well, Katie Olson said,

found this guy a couple months back and I've been binging the fuck out of his list. Have found great movie recommendations and for the movies I've already seen, I agree with almost all of his movie opinions, minus a couple. Even the reviews of his I don't agree with, I still

like to watch because he's got great takes and viewpoints on his reviews. I might, emphasis on might here, Brian, might actually rewatch Skinnamarink because I liked his take on the movie. so much.

I still think there's something to that movie. I don't know what it is. Something, huh? I know, I didn't get a chance to ever watch it, but Nez told me there's a YouTube video that kind of breaks it down and makes sense out of the movie. The only thing I caught is,

it seems like it's from the children's point of view because all the camera angles are kind of tilted up. Yeah. So, I don't know. I don't think I'll ever rewatch that one, man. But if you do, tell me what you think. How about that? All right.

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when I was watching this, I thought they said smurf family, Brian. When the Smurl family moves into a duplex, they find out it's haunted. When the Catholic Church is no help, they reach out to famous demonologist Ed and Lorraine Warren. Director of Robert is Robert Mandel, also known for big shots and school ties. Writer Robert Curran also known, or no, along with the Smurfs. I mean, the Smurls. I guess they helped him write it. Early in the film, here's the trivia,

early in the film, the kids are watching Lost in Space on television. Presumably due to copyright issues, the vocals of the episode have been dubbed with Soundalike voice artist. That's a new one. Okay. Oh, man, Brian, what did you,

what did you think of? First of all, were you able to find it to watch it? Dude, I had to go to YouTube for this one. That's where I watched it. What's that? That's where I watched it. There's like two or three copies on YouTube. Yeah.

I found a decent copy. Yeah. What'd you think, man? It's definitely TV movie of the week type quality, early 90s, 91. You don't get a lot of the warrants in it. As a matter of fact, they seem to disappear in the conclusion of the movie. And I was just kind of like, well, you guys didn't fucking help this family much. I know.

You guys did a-shocked me. Did an inspection, called a priest, and then left for the rest of the movie. I thought it was an interesting story about the Smurrell family, which I didn't recognize them at first. It took me a few minutes, but fucking Dale is the father of this family. Right, right, right, from Walking Dead. Yeah, I looked at my daughter and was like, that's Dale.

That's Dale. And then she was like, Dale. And then she looked at him and she was like, and she looked at me with these wide eyes. And she was like, he's young and has hair. Mm-hmm. But I thought it was an interesting story of this family that is being haunted and they're trying to get help.

And it becomes this whole media frenzy to the point where people turn on them and want them to leave. Right. Because I'm like, these people are horrible. Mm-hmm. They're throwing bricks through the window, talking about move out. Right. Pulling up on the daughter.

It's like, hey, sugar, see any ghosts lately? You're like, what do these people do to you? They're just trying to get their demons out of their house. Right. But I also listen to a podcast. I'll look it up in a second. The one I listen to or talk about the Smurrow case. And there's a lot of interesting things.

that happened that weren't in this movie and the Conjuring version. Okay. But for this movie, it was pretty much a safe PG horror movie that you can let the kids watch. A lot of just creepy noises and shadowy figures in the corner and things moving by themselves. With TV movie, in other words. Up until the point where Dale gets raped by a demon. did we break you Lance go ahead go ahead

yeah it was just I was like this is a safe PG horror movie this is like introductory stuff for kids very very paint by numbers right and then the rape scene happens and I'm just like I'm not knowing what's happening at first

and then uh huh she gets on top of him and holds him down he's just like no no and then he starts moaning and I was like, oh, and then it does like a far out shot and then she's legit like riding him. And I was like, whoa, where did this movie take this turn? And then it turned into like a man in drag or something, didn't it?

Like in some of the shots when it showed a close up of the face? Yeah, it reminded me a phantasm that scene when he's sleeping with that grew up the grave. Yeah, he changes into the tall man. Right. but yeah a lot of stuff in the podcast I was listening to they didn't cover it in here apparently there was a second psychic or whatever I don't know what you classify Lorraine Warren as a medium apparently there was a second medium that there was a second medium that accompanied Lorraine there to do the inspection

Okay. And other things happened that I know they really didn't focus in on it, but apparently every time they had authorities or somebody come over to check the house, like media or somebody, like everything would stop. And I kind of felt like they didn't really focus in on that. And I thought... Not really. Not really.

Yeah, I thought that could have played better because... Sure. Who was the... the wife. Sally Kirkland. Okay. I think it would have played better if you would have just known she was kind of losing her mind. Sure. Because at first it was her husband not believe in her.

Yeah, just your typical, oh, she's just a hysterical woman, right? That old storyline. Because you just, this movie kind of moves fast because you get the warrants introduce and then all of a sudden it's just like a media. a frenzy outside their house which kind of cuts out a lot of stuff but for a TV movie I think if I would have seen this when it came out I probably would have

would have enjoyed it better but it is low quality but I can't really knock it for that that much because it is a TV movie but yeah I was uh I was watching it Brian and I was like damn this this movie looks

really fucking old I didn't think it was that old and then I looked at the year on like 1991. That was a long time ago. It doesn't look 91. It looks like... It looks like... It looks like... Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know if it's the quality, but... I know this story takes place in the 80s, but it just felt like it took place in the 70s. It really did. It really did. I totally got those vibes, man. But other than that, I kind of enjoyed the movie, and I keep going back to the rape scene. It just fucking really threw me for a loop. threw you off, huh? This was on TV. I know, that was so weird.

It came on Fox. This was on Fox. Okay. Well, they were a little more edgy. They were a little more edgy. They were a little more edgy because they had married with children and what else did they have in living color, you know? So they were much more edgy. But that was not what I was expecting.

Yeah. What I really didn't like was this was a worn case. and you don't get the warrants really and to me to me you don't really get a conclusion you get a conclusion it makes zero sense to me Lance

it makes zero sense there's a scene where there's a scene where they leave for the weekend to go camping just to get away from everything get away from the house get away from just get clear their heads and just demonic force

follows them Yeah, I thought it was the house. Why is the conclusion of the, the warrants tell you it's not the house that's going to follow you wherever you go. Why is the conclusion to sell the house and move into a new one? What sense does that make? It's just going to follow you, right? Now you've polluted two houses, right?

Yeah, and then she sees or hears something off camera and then credits. Yeah. After the church showed up, are they saying kumbaya with candles lit and shit? You know, fuck those people that were outside of the house. They're throwing bricks and yelling all kinds of stuff

when the church shows up. All of a sudden, they're passing out candles and everybody's singing together. I was like, no, everybody can get off my lawn. So terrible, dude. So it's such a shock to the system. For a TV movie, I didn't think it was half bad. It's not great, but I think listening to the podcast about the Smurrow case,

I think there was a lot more they could have gone into. Maybe this should, instead of being a TV movie, this should have been like a, kind of like it had a two-parter. Huh, that would have been interesting. But we didn't get that, so. We didn't get that. I didn't hate it, so. And I didn't have to pay for it.

It's on YouTube. Yes, even better. And no ads. No ads broke in mine, at least. So that's good. Yeah, I didn't get no ads. What you think? Well, dude, look, I was watching this movie, and I had the same thoughts you did,

that this is just like a milk toast, you know, made for TV movie. And I had the same exact shock you did at the same exact moment, Brian. Because I was, like, riding through this thing, and I was like, okay, this is probably going to be like a three. All right, this feels like about a maybe, oh, maybe now a full. something a little interesting happened, maybe a three, but then that rape happened, and I'm like, holy fucking shit, dude, this thing has gone off the deep end.

And then you've got the kooky, all the kooky religious leaders that come in and try to exercise the house, like the new age pastor that used to be with the Catholic church, but is no longer in. We can speculate on why he's no longer with the Catholic church, right? He may have got caught diddling or something.

But I did notice this, I noticed that when the, was it the Warren's in there that were asking about the rape? And, yeah, and said that they determined that the one was a demon, right? Yeah, he, and when he was describing being assaulted, he was very nonchalant about it. He was very nonchalant. You got raped by a demon the night before. Yeah, but he was, did you notice when they said, okay, the second spirit was a young girl? And he goes, is that who raped me?

He was real worried that it was a young girl that had raped him, right? I was like, calm down, Dale. It was a woman, possibly a man. Yes, and then he got into the next one, and then, yeah, they finally said it was a demon or whatever. So I'm like, okay, this movie's starting to go off the rails. It was creeping up actually above a five for me there for a bit, dude. And then as it went on further and further, like I say, the kooky,

you know, religious guy that came in and, and, and, tried to get them to leave. And then that, yes, that camp thing where it's still the same shitty graphics of like the little, you could barely see a shimmering type form, but you couldn't tell what it was, even at the campsite. So at this point, I'm kind of like, okay, this movie's getting to be kind of fun. And Jesus Christ, I looked at it by, you know, phone. And, man, there's still 30 minutes left. There's still so much more shit. They crammed more into this movie already than they did in the new one in two hours and 15 minutes or whatever it was. So I was enjoying myself until we got to that ending.

And then the church group and then the candles and then reciting the entire Lord's Prayer. And then I'm looking out at my phone and I'm like, holy fuck, the Warrens have to come back and save the day. There's only one hour or one minute and 30 seconds left of the movie. But they didn't. and then they ended it on okay they move and then it scrolls something on the screen

words just say they finally were able to get one of their ghosts but they didn't tell us how so this was a roller coaster of a movie in all the wrong ways man and supposedly this was the Warren's final case I'd never known

I would have never known from their introduction that maybe maybe you could have explained that's why they didn't help finish the case because they were semi-retired and they couldn't really help. That would have made more sense. Yeah, that would have made more sense. I don't even think we even heard it.

I think they made a phone call to Ed and you didn't even hear them on the phone. Yeah, they were out of the country for another three weeks or something and couldn't get there right away or whatever. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, it ended in a mass, dude. I think we both agree on that one. You want to do scores?

Yeah, I'll give it a five. It was kind of in the middle right there. I didn't hate it. I didn't love it. The effects for what they were for a TV movie, a couple recognizable faces. I recognize Dale, Jeffrey. Jeffrey DeMund, Sally Kirkland.

I remember seeing her back in the days and a whole bunch of stuff. Yeah. Interesting story. Wish they would have dove more into the details and not enough warns. So I'll give it a five. And that podcast I was listening to was the morbid podcast. The morbid podcast, okay?

Just morbid. Morbid. Yeah, and they did a two-part series called the alleged Smurl family hauntings because I guess the story, there's some inconsistencies with how the story was told. Not surprising. Not surprising. Okay. Yeah, no, you nailed it, dude.

This movie can only be given a five because it started out incredibly shitty. And then it had some incredibly crazy things that you and I couldn't figure out how it got on to network TV or whatever. And then it got really stupid at the end. And then it showed the famous, you know, a lot more happened. They moved out. They were able to get rid of the ghost, the end. Because it's like they just ended the movie, man, with no fanfare. It's just like, boom, it's done.

So I'm with you. It's a five on 10. You ready to move on? Yeah, and that's crazy. The director did school ties because me and my daughter just watched that movie last week. Pretty good movie, isn't it? Yeah, I told her you want to see a movie with a lot of faces you're going to recognize. Mm-hmm.

And she was just blown away. There was like seven people that are like big actors now that were in that movie. Yeah. And I didn't even realize that the same guy did this movie. And this is not that movie. No. He definitely upgraded. All right.

Moving on to The Conjuring Last Rights from 2025. Paranormal Investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren take on one last. terrifying case involving mysterious entities they must confront. Director, oh boy, Brian, here we go. Michael Chavez. Also, for the curse of La Girona and the Nun, too. Writers, Ian Goldberg, Richard Nang, and David Leslie Johnson Goldrick. That's one person's name.

That is a name. Slated to be the last movie of the Conjuring series with Edelary and Warren. Other movies within the Conjuring universe may still occur without the Warren. That wasn't very good trivia. No, I don't, I think this is the end for this version of the Warrens. Okay. When we get the spoilers, I have a theory on the TV show. Oh, that's right. You said they're going to do a show.

Yeah, I'll start this off. not the best in the franchise but definitely better than the last one I kind of felt like this was a return to tone of the original first two movies, the haunted house vibe right

um, Vera Vermiga I thought it was outstanding I love this one of my hall pass right there Vera Formiga. I know that she does everything she does everything she does everything she does I love she look beautiful in this. I just found out she has a band. And I listened to

a couple songs, not bad. Heavy metal or what? I don't know the genre. Kind of new rock or indie rock maybe? When I find a name, I'll send it to you. Okay, I'll check it out.

Patrick Wilson was doing Patrick Wilson things in here. I thought it was a good inclusion. that we're involving the daughter now, that she's grown. I thought it was going to be one of those where she's grown and she's just going to be a side character.

I like that she was involved in the main story and that she also has her mom's gifts passed down to her. I really enjoyed her boyfriend, her fiancé. Oh, the cop or the ex-cop? Yeah, he was very likable. I like how he worked his way up and being like,

like by Patrick Wilson by Ed Right I like some of the demon stuff Not all of it The stuff with the doll And who was picking up the doll Look kind of bad

Right But then there was a there was a demon figure later That I was I thought was cool But we didn't get enough of And as far as comparing it to the previous movie It's based this is basically a more flashier updated version. Yes, definitely more polished, right?

Yeah, without a certain scenes weren't in this, but other scenes that were added to it, I thought were effective and I appreciated it. No, no, no demon rape. No demon rape, but there was a couple of scenes in there that I was, I thought was pretty cool because I've seen an interview with James Wan and a lot of things he liked, even though he didn't do this, conjuring movie. I know Michael Chavez

is a kind of protege of his and a lot of things James Juan liked to do in his conjuring movies was instead of doing jump scares kind of build up to creepiness and I thought there was a couple good scenes in here that did that instead of relying on jump scares

predictable ending the cast was pretty decent it seemed like this Smarle family had way more daughters in this one than the the haunted? I felt two in the first one and what three or four in this one maybe? Like five or six? I couldn't tell it. It seemed like you had daughters everywhere. Some of them may have been family friends or something hanging out. I don't know. Kind of less emphasis on how media crazy this story got in this one.

Yeah, they glossed over that, didn't they? Yeah. But overall, I thought this was not a return to form but return to tone and not a bad entry. Totally agreed with you on that way. Very heartfelt kind of goodbye at the end

for this version of the Warrens. I thought it was a nice ending. Okay. And yeah, pretty much I had a good time with it. I didn't dislike it. I was kind of not looking forward to this one after seeing who's directing it

and him, what he did with the last. one. Yeah. But I kind of felt like maybe James Juan had a little bit more input on what should happen in this one. You would hope so, right? Because it felt completely different from the last one. I could see that. I could see that. I didn't fall asleep in this one. Let's put it that way. Oh, I'm glad that last one came on HBO Max because I took breaks watching that one. You would have had trouble, huh? Yeah. But yeah, overall, I I had a good time watching this one. Like I said, heartfelt goodbye to it.

But final time with the Warns, I don't think so. Final time with Bear for me and Patrick Wilson. Yeah. Possibly. They may still cameo. Who knows? Yeah. So more polished, more professional looking, you know, but definitely, like, left out

some of the bad shit stuff from the other one, right? Yeah, because there's some scenes from the haunting. that are in here, they're just more updated and flashy and a little bit more creepy. Definitely, just definitely wasn't a TV movie. Oh, yeah. No, it was slick, man. It was slick. What did you think?

I think that in the hands, why didn't James Wan direct this one? That makes no sense to me. You would think he started the series and he would want to finish it up, right? I hear you. I don't understand why. I just think he's got his finger in so many pots that he's just got so many things going on. I don't think he even has the time. Because every time I post news almost like every day on our social media accounts.

And every time James Wan's name come up, it's always producing this, executive producing that, writing this. And it's very rare. I don't even know what the next thing he has directed coming out. He's kind of like being a germo, huh? Yeah, but Guillermo takes years to put stuff out. Not James One.

He takes months. Yeah, I got to look it up. I don't even know if I even read anything James One has got coming out. He's been out of the director's chair for a while. Okay.

Well, here's what I'll say, man. This is why I asked that question. Brian, why didn't James Wine direct this one? Because I think in the hands of a really good director, this would have been a totally different movie and possibly on one of our top tens at the end of the year. But I don't think it's going to make it the way it is now. I'm going to give you an example, Brian,

because I was really thinking about this while I was watching the movie. So the wedding dress scene, right, when she was in the mirrored room, so she could turn around and see every angle of the wedding dress. Granted, it was kind of creepy, but can you imagine what somebody like Juan would have done with that scene, dude? You could have had so much more going on, like all these little details in each individual paint of glass type thing. You know what I'm getting at?

Rather than just simply a straight shot of one hand reaching out at one point, I'm trying not to spoil too much. Yeah, I get you. Yeah, there should have been a lot more to that scene. That had a lot of, kind of like when you saw Dakota, Dakota Johnson in the Susperia remake, when she was in that room, the mirrored room when she was practicing ballet. Yeah, there could have been. How gruesome that became. That scene you're talking about with the Warren's daughter,

it just should have been more to it because she's struggling with what she's seeing. Is it really happening? Is it part of her gifts or not? you could have just made it to a point where it could have been more hard for her to realize what's real and what's not. And I agree. I agree with you. I agree with you. They completely missed a bone on that scene.

Yeah, I did kind of like the, I sort of like the setup with the, you know, for example, the way the mirror was used and the way that one storyline from the beginning of the movie kind of tied in with the case they were involved in. but I don't even think they went far enough with that. I mean, yeah, I'm like you. The characters were definitely likable. But again, I would have just liked to have seen a better director doing this. And as usual, you know, you get the beats are all there. You know, the three distinct acts like it is a James One movie. You've got all the action-packed part in the third act like you would get with a James One movie.

But I don't know, man, something was definitely. missing here. And did it really need to be two hours and 15 minutes? Probably not. But I think it's a testament to that when I say that I thought more shit, more crazy out there shit happened in the, you know, hour and 28 minute movie that we saw than the two hour and 15 minute one. Would you agree?

Absolutely. But it was a hit at the box office, the highest grossing movie in the franchise. Yeah, makes sense. I'm glad it was. I'm happy for everyone involved, but I don't know, man, that's kind of all I have to say, you know, except for spoilers. All right, you want to do scores? Yeah, you want to go first? You'll meet you.

I'll go, and real quick, I looked up James Wan. He has got a movie in pre-production that he's directing called The Call of Cthuloo. That'll be good. That'll be good. HP Lovecraft. Always loved that stuff. Cosmic horror.

But that's directing. He only has one thing. But producing, he has 23 things upcoming. Of course. Of course. Scores. I thought everybody did a decent job. Like you said, likable characters.

Vera Formiga automatically gets bonus points. Of course. A few variations on things in this version of the story that happened differently than the haunted. A more flashy, updated version. Mm-hmm. But like you brought up the wedding dress, the dress fitting scene, they could have done so much more with that and a couple of other scenes. And I think I have to agree with you. maybe James Wan or somebody else should have handled this.

I mean, no, James Wan should have did it. If this is the final movie of the Warrens, he should have did the Swan Song with them. But if I had to give it a score, I'll say seven. Okay. All right. I think that's fair. You know, we certainly enjoyed it, right?

We had fun at the movies with it. this one, which is always a good thing. I really like the character development. I will say that. So, because there was a lot of depth to people. For example, you understand that Ed Warren is going to be, you know, obviously any father when it comes to their daughter, they're going to be protective, but you can understand why he's particularly protective. And same thing with, with the mom after what they went through, you know, when she was born. So I like that. And I like that. And I like that. the way he developed his relationship with the boyfriend because, you know, as he learned that he's actually a really good guy, you know, and I think that scene with the wedding ring was, was perfect. That was like, maybe my favorite scene in the movie. And it wasn't even, you know, wasn't even horror. It was just kind of like, you know, like a warm family scene. So I like his story on, well, that's spoiler. We'll get to that later. Okay. Well, I'll give it six and a half, Brian.

I'm right there with you. It was about two-thirds good and maybe a little bit long, but if James Juan had directed it, I can assure you our scores would have been higher, no doubt. Spoilers? Sure. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. you've been fucking warned. What you got? What were you going to say?

I liked his story on why he is not a cop anymore about the guy pulling the shotgun on him and the gun misfiring. Creepy. His partner's saying, basically, I'm talking to a dead man. Yep. And then he said the next day he quit and went and bought that ring for her. I loved it, man. Yeah, I really like it.

that angle. Gave his character so much more. Like I said, I think the actor, Ben Hardy, he did a great job. He was very likable.

I was kind of rooting for him. Yeah. Not only to get Ed's approval, but when he gets involved at the end, I was rooting for him. Because there's a scene where you think maybe he's going to die

when that mirror pins his head against the wall and is dragging him. Yes. And what was I saying? There was some effective scenes. Nobody really felt safe in this one, Brian. I honestly felt like at any time one of the characters might have died.

And it's good when a movie these days can get you to think that. The scene where one of the Smurro daughters, I think the oldest one is watching the VHS tape, and she notices something in the background. And then you think there's two eyes above, and then the car drives by. Yeah, it was a good angle. I like that.

That's what I think James Bond was talking about, instead of doing jump scares, kind of build up the creepiness. And I think they did it a couple times in the movie. They really did that well. And no rape. We already talked about that. No rape. Yeah.

That's right. My theory on the TV show. Okay. I think what they can do if they want to, because we get young Ed and Lorraine in the beginning. Right. Could they be possibly Ed and Lorraine in the TV series? I didn't care for those actors.

I thought that too when I was watching it, because I already knew there was most likely going to be more stuff coming out. But I don't know, dude, they didn't have much chemistry. They were definitely not the same two stars that played the older. That's for sure. Second theory, Judy and Tony take over as basically the future. do future cases. Which probably, I don't know,

be real life accurate, but at this point, you can get the films and just kind of make up as you're going. Brian, do you honestly think that final scene with the mirror, trying to get the mirror out of the house, do you think that was

historically accurate? Come on. And I'm confused. When they brought the mirror back to where they keep all the stuff, I thought he always has a priest blessed. That didn't happen, did it? No, now that you, now that you mention it.

And I was wondering, did it make you wonder what was going on? How they put the mirror in there and then Tony walks over by Annabelle and kind of glances at her almost like maybe Annabelle was calling him over there. I didn't catch that. Yeah, I didn't catch that. Instead of walking away to the door to leave, he doesn't walk the same way as Ed. he kind of walks towards where Annabel is and he walks past Annabelle,

but then he kind of turns and he looks like maybe he feels something. And then that's when Ed throws him the keys to lock up. So I don't know if they were trying to hint at something or a future. Could be. Could be. Annabelle's a popular character, right?

Yeah, which we got Annabelle in a couple scenes in this movie. She's still tormenting Judy popping up in her visions. Right. So maybe, I don't know, a future Annabelle movie? Wouldn't be too surprised, yeah. I mean Annabel, those does always do well at the box office, you know? Yeah. What other scenes? I like the scene with the blood coming out of the sink. That was pretty

cool. Oh, yeah, and that was kind of like a fake jump scare, right? They were prepping you for what you thought was going to be the jump scare that never came. So I see what you're talking about with the film style. Yeah, I wanted more of the demon with the axe because he was very imposing. Oh yeah. He was yeah he would he would be good in a TV show right at least like you know one one episode or something for him to pop up because he was he would just show up and he'd be super aggressive and he got that creepy you kind of laugh and he's just swinging his axe around. Yeah that big grin. Yeah just very imposing signs.

too and we only got him in like two or three scenes yeah there's a I like that part of it too and there's there's definitely I would think an opportunity to reuse some of these these characters again you know and Annabelle for sure like whatever TV series so you know if we're just throwing out ideas of what we think the TV series is going to be like I think you're right it's definitely going to be the younger versions And maybe it'll be like the stuff that led up to them becoming ghost hunters or whatever. Yeah, or it could be each episode as an item in the room. Kind of like the old Friday the 13th TV series.

Yeah. With the cursed items. Yeah, that's due to make a comeback. That would be a good one. But it's like an anthology type thing. Yeah, kind of do like the lesser items with that. And as far as movies, you can carry on with the Annabelle. I agree.

I think you just nailed it. I think you nailed it, dude. I think you just, you just predicted through your, through your power of the medium exactly what the next, what the TV series is going to be about. Because that makes too much sense not to do it.

Makes too much sense. Bring me on the creative team. Got ideas. All right. I could tell you what sounds stupid. It would be, yeah, well, at least if you don't like one episode, you know, the next one might be a totally different cast, right?

Yeah. That they go to visit. And real quick, like I said, heartfelt ending with the wedding. You got a lot of returning cast members from the other Conjuring movies in the wedding audience. Mm-hmm. I got a quick list right here. Oh, okay. I recognized a few faces, but not all.

Lily, Lily Taylor and McKenzie Foey reprises roles as Caroline Pearson, or Perrin, and Cindy Perrin from the first film. Francis O'Connor and Madison Wolfe reprised their characters from the second film. Julian, okay, in the third movie was Julian Hillard. He was the little boy in the third one with the glasses. Okay. He was also in the audience and for some reason James Wan was standing there smiling. right

so I thought it was a heartfelt goodbye happy ending yeah yeah not what I was expecting I didn't stick around because I had to get back to work was there any post-credit scene or throwback you know shout out to the old movies or anything

just some scenes of different cases kind of playing along through the credits and stuff like that that's what I figured no after credit scene or anything

that's going to lead to another movie no big jump scare or anything at the very end but talking about it with you I think Annabelle what they were trying to do with Annabelle in this movie I think that's going to be the next

conjuring movie makes sense man makes sense and then I think you've nailed it for the series so I think we had fun watching it you know I'm gonna definitely become a daytime theater guy now

since there's nobody in there. Although it's not as much fun, Brian, is watching I know what you did last summer with that Florida rowdy Florida crowd yelling at the movie. It's still not a 1 out of 10. Okay, man. All right, I guess that wraps it then.

Yep. All right, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We would love to hear you feedback and ideas. Just reach out to us at thehorreturns at gmail.com or go to our website. Next week, Tavares from Student of the Game podcast, goes the distance with us as we talk about the long walk and 2013's the human race. So, Brian, until the whore returns again, good.