The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #49: Howard The Duck (1986) & Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: November 14, 2021

This week we are joined by Patrick Lear and Jay Black to look at Guardians 2 as well as Howard the Duck. Thanks for listening!

victims. For those of you delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Once again, you have found the horror returns, and I'm hijacking the microphone right now because I want to tell you about Comic Palooza, May 13th.

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And it's going to be a great time, man. That's where we make the magic. You get to watch it happen. Greetings, listeners. You have found the horse. Horror returns. For all of you who delight in dread, fantasize about fear, and glorify Gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie, then go back and find a classic work with similar themes. We're

looking at both similarities and differences. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation. But we also want to point. We also want to point. out how the presentation can change based on the social and political climate of the times. We do include spoilers for the new film. However, we're going to wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new feature, and we're going to let you know before we do so with a very distinctive spoiler alert. If you don't wish to hear the spoilers, just turn us off at that point, and we promise you won't miss a thing. We generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, so there's always going to be spoilers. anytime we discuss a movie that has been out for at least one year.

The other thing that we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies do tend to be R-rated. You can pretty much expect us to be too. So, fresh from Texas Frightmare Weekend, I'm Lance with my co-host, as always, would be Brian and Philip. And tonight we got a couple of very special guests. We have Patrick here, and Patrick was on our greatest horror baddy March Madness episode. And we've also got Jay. He didn't bring Silent Bob with him, but we do have Jay.

And if you guys will recall, he did the Blair Witch episode with us. So how's it going, everybody? Fucking fantastic. Doing good. It's going great. Going great. Awesome. Can't wait to dig into this stuff.

So Jay, what if we haven't talked to you on the show in a while, man. That was before our Vegas trip that we did that Blair Witch stuff. What's been going on with you, man? Man, that's just been work, work, work for me lately. I've been pretty much non-existent on the social networks and everything and just, you know, chiming in a little here, a little there. Not watching a lot of movies or television are actually getting caught up on old stuff now, that, you know, stuff that's been you guys watched before and all.

all that. But I'm just getting into it now and my slow season is starting to come in. So I'm getting a little bit more time for myself and be able to dwell into the things I like. Nice. Patrick, what have you been up to, man? Honestly, about the same thing. I've been putting in a lot of work. You know, everybody had to pay the taxes and I work for the IRS. So we've been pretty busy getting everybody's stuff out. So you're that guy, huh? Yeah, I'm that guy. Actually, all I do is send out letters, but it's just been really busy. It's kind of a busy part of the season, so

they've been working me like a dog. All right, well, Pat, you know our format, man, so let's dive in. What's your cool of the week? For this week, well, it was supposed to be in Comic-Con that kind of got messed up due to a friend of mine's mother

having health issues, and she had my free ticket and everything, so he couldn't get up here out of town. But that being aside, I did discover that Incubus has a new album out and so I thought that was like I checked it out. It's actually pretty good. So that's kind of

made it to my cool of the week since I haven't had a whole lot of time to get out and check out a whole lot of everything else. That's the cool of the week. You got to check it out. That's the cool of the week. You got a not so cool of the week? My not so cool of the week would have been my friend's health issues with her mom. She had a heart attack, but she's okay

now. She's back home. So that's good. And I'll save the other one for the next time around. Okay. My cool of the week is I'm finally getting caught up on Ash versus the Evil Dead. I'm about two episodes from finishing season two, and I am loving the shit out of it. I still haven't started easy two yet.

Oh, it's good. It's good. It doesn't, I mean, from the very first episode of season one until now, I mean, it really does not skip a beat. It is just a full force, the longest punch in the face you've ever seen. It's great. It's a bunch of it. Oh, it is. It is.

It's definitely a fun show. I mean, there's just so many one-liners that I try to remember so I can repeat back, you know, just kind of an everyday conversation. But I just can't remember. There's just too many to choose from. Well, man, my cool week, I think, is going to have to be Bates Motel, because that's what I was catching up on all week. And I'm not going to say too much about it because I want to talk about it on the next episode. But they wrapped it up nicely. I like the season five.

Oh, cool. So you're done. You've seen every one of them all. Awesome. What about you, Brian? I was doing some rewatches and some James Gunn movies. a rewatch slither and super and yeah I totally

recommend both of them super I'm not going to spoil it but there there's a death scene at the end I did not see coming the first time out watching it and it was kind of fucked up kind of brutal but uh yeah other than that you know also catching up um I'm caught up on Bates Motel

right and um that was Yeah, we'll get into that next episode. Well, my cool of the week is the return of the leftovers. Have you guys seen this show? Oh, what is that on? Season 3? Yes, season 3, which is going to be the final season.

Okay. Yeah, I never made it to season 1 on that one. I haven't even seen the first episode. Oh, okay. I finished season 1. I didn't get past that, though. Season 2 is where it really kicks into high gear. Season 1 is good.

I enjoyed it anyway. It was kind of a slow burn, but season two is kind of like just one thing after the other keeps happening. Same guys that did lost, right? A lot of the same people, Lindelof, I think, is the main showrunner, and he was the main guy with loss. So that's got a lot of people pissed off thinking he's not going to be able to close it out. Uh-oh. But I can already tell. I've only seen the first, I'm way behind.

I've only seen the first episode of season three so far. But I can already tell they're starting to wrap up some storyline. so he ain't going to let that happen again after all the shit that he caught after the end of lost. Yeah, you have to have an ending. Absolutely, yes. You know what? That ain't going to happen with this one. I'm going to be on the other side of the spectrum.

I actually did not have a problem with the end of lost. You know, of course, not everything got answered. And for me, everything doesn't really need to be answered. But I was satisfied with the end of lost. I know I'm on the small end of the spectrum on that, but no, it was good for me. See, I can't even remember the last half of the series. Like, I remember watching the first season, and it was amazing. And then it kind of just went downhill from there for me.

I think I stopped watching it around three or four. I'm sorry. I never got into Lost either. I was a lot of it. I was one of those where I aimed to go back and watch it, and it just never got around to doing it, and then everybody talked about it, and it ended, and then I just sort of, okay, whatever.

But, you know, one of the things that you talked about, I remember when that ended and they were all talking, about the questions that didn't get answered and that kind of that. Right. And I think you have to be careful on that, too, because I think as long as they answer the questions that they asked, that's fine. But when you start getting into what the fans speculate in those questions, you know, then you start running into what I think happened to, like, and a little off topic,

but what happened in the Matrix, you know, the Matrix movies, I felt like those guys tried to take all of the fans speculated things and then turned it into two movies. That's why the last two movies of that thing kind of sucked because instead of answering their questions, they started trying to appease all the fans and all the speculation and shit that they had come up with. And I think as long as you stick with your original thing of the story and end it with your questions that you want answered,

you should be good to go. So that's just my theory. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. You have your vision. You're going to stick to it. and I know we're not getting to Bates Motel right now, but I think that's going to have some kind of a same theme to that as well.

Yeah. Yeah, guys, I didn't have a problem with Lost as far as not answering questions and stuff like that. I just kind of thought the very end of it was a bit of a cop-out. I will put it to you this way. By the second or third season, I had a feeling that I knew what was really going on and how it was going to end. And people were starting to bring that up. And like in interviews, Carlton Q's, Damon Lindeloff, JJ Abrams would all say, no, no, no, no, no.

That's not how it's going to end. We've got a different plan. We're not going to make it that neat and tied up in a boat. But they did. That was the exact way they ended it. So I think that's a lot of people off. Well, I think that's, see, when I would talk to folks about it, I think there's a lot of confusion is how it ended.

A lot of people thought that that's how it was the entire time, the entire time, went, no, how it ended is actually how it ended. It ended that way. Everything before that wasn't part of that world. And I'm trying to speak without spoiling anything for those who haven't seen it or who want to see it. But a lot of people thought, oh, so the whole time it was this. No, no, it wasn't like this the whole time. It was just the end, and you saw the end at the end.

That's got as clear as mud, so without spoiling anything. I see it a little differently than that, but, you know, I mean, I guess everybody will draw their own conclusion from it, you know? Yeah, yeah. All right, well, cool. So we got some good stuff going on. Brian, I wonder if there's anything in the world of horror headlines to talk about this week. Brian hadn't done as cool of the week. Oh, wait a minute.

Brian, are you even there? Yeah, I'm here. Holy fuck, dude. I didn't hear you, man. What's your cool of the week, brother? Oh, I did the James Gun rewatch. Oh, that's right. It was movie.

Slither. No, you guys, you guys started, you guys started talking about lost, and I just tuned out. And then he got lost. So that's the way this one was getting in. I've never, I've never watched the episode. So I didn't have no idea what you guys are talking about. All right. All right, news, man.

What's going on? Barker's Rawhead Rex is getting the Blu-ray treatment, and it's also getting a 4K restoration release in theater. And both of those are due out Halloween. Interesting. All right. Okay. On to our news.

Fox has canceled Sleepy Hollow. Got us on the nose. If this would have happened after season two, I would have been pissed off. But the last two season, it dipped a lot. I think I got halfway into the first season on that. And I just couldn't stick with that. I just didn't hang on.

I did season one and part of season. season two and I just, you know, I was kind of run through, you know, I kind of have the same issue like Lance has with some of the stuff where there's a lot of these shows that are going 24 episodes that I'm just starting to get out of. Mainly because, you know, I'm so into these episodic shows now that I don't need 24 episodes if you're going to get me 10 of those episodes that are nothing but filler. Exactly. It's just like they want to give you something to hold off until they get to the season finale when you

have shows like I mentioned like Ash versus Evil Dead it's there is no filler there's something always happening every minute of the of the hour or the half hour and it's only half hour and it's only 10 episodes that that really helps but when you build shows

like that then yeah of course you you're not going to have the filler you're not going to have you know the people bounce fall off like you know like we do yeah but uh with a show being canceled are always coming news shows. They're

adding a comedy X-Files spoof called Ghosted, starring Craig Robinson and Adam Scott. I'm going to say away from that one. Yeah. This is a series. Well,

we'll see. Oh, but I would... Breaking news, Brian. Breaking news. This may make you happy. The Exorcist renewed for season two. Did you know about this? No, I didn't. I didn't understand what was taking them so long.

It had a following. It's just I don't think it's made to be on Fox. It needs to be on, they need to move it to FX or somewhere. I agree. I agree totally. And I thought they actually had canceled the thing. So I didn't even bother watching like the last two or three episodes.

And I'm going to have to go back in here and watch them. I haven't even tried that. Oh, no. that's good news right there. Absolutely. What were you saying? I haven't even tried The Exorcist the show.

There's just certain things that I hold so dear, like The Exorcist is such a great movie. And I've watched the sequels, and I think there was a prequel, Exorcist at the beginning. And for me,

it kind of really taints the story and the characters from the first movie. So when I see things, you know, like a TV show or something like that, I tend to try to stay away because I just don't want, you know,

the experience of those characters that you love and the story that you love to be, you know, just kind of really watered down, you know, with the more crap. That's a, so, now, I don't know if it's crap or not. I'm not giving it to do, but, you know, it's just when things are like that, and they're not as good, they just really watered down

the original story, the original characters and everything like that. So when I see that the possibility is there, I tend to stay away. Yeah, I actually thought the series was pretty decent, but I understand what you're talking about. That's exactly why I haven't seen Motley Cruz since 1988. I like that comparison.

A movie that we all did. I think we all gave it a good rating and thought it was due for a remake. It was Fire Starter. That's getting the Blumhouse treatment. Okay. So any thoughts on Firestarter remake? Any idea who's going to be in it? Right now it's just announced.

I think, let me see here, Akiva Akiva Goldsman, I do not know who that is. This is the only thing announced, and that is the director and also co-writer. So right now, early stages. I don't suppose we'll be seeing George C. Scott. Or Keith David or David Keith. Right.

You never know. You never know. You know. I drew Barrymore came out. It would be cool, though. Yeah. I think that's a cool movie to do a remake on because it kind of, I think it sort of fell to the background, and it's time for that one to have its light back on it again, you know?

Yeah, I agree. I mean, it was a good movie. I liked it. And, I mean, let's face it, the effects could, they were good for the time, but they could certainly be upgraded. Right. And, you know, maybe they could flush out the story. a little bit more out of the book? Oh yeah, most definitely.

Yeah, interesting. That director has directed a couple of, looks like he's already directed a couple episodes of the upcoming Star Trek Discovery show. So I'll give it a chance. Oh, Lance, real quick, I have a question for you. I heard the new Star Trek is going to be on some kind of streaming service.

It is the first episode is going to be on the regular CBS. But every episode after that's going to be, you'll have to get something called CBS All Access. Oh. Yeah, and I think it's, oh, I'm in. It's Star Trek, dude. It could be $400 and I'm in. But I think it's going to be price similar to Shutter, like $4.99 a month or something.

No, it's more than that. I think it's like 10 or 15. No. Last time I checked it was. Yeah, last time I checked it was. Nobody's going to watch that. Lance is looking. I was looking at it.

I mean, I could be wrong. price may have changed. Last time I checked, I could have sworn it was like $10 a month or something like that. And it's been out for about a year. And the reason I didn't get into it was because you're not going to be able to watch live football on it. So I was like, well, what would be the point of saying that and not even be to watch live football? Yeah, I hear that stuff. All right. Okay, here's the prices that I show for it. And this is from their official website. It's, you get one week free, just like any good drug dealer. It says with limited commercials is $5.99 a month, and commercial free is $9.99 a month.

Boy, they're going to turn this streaming shit into more expensive than cable, man. That's some bullshit. Yeah, well, that's kind of the wave of the future, man. There's no way around it. Like I said, Star Trek. I'll find the way around it. They got my money. They had my money. No, I'm fine with what you. I would just rather have seen them, like, because they're CBS is part owner of Hulu. I'd rather seen it on Hulu or something like that, you know. because I'm paying for that too. So if all these networks,

I think if the networks are smart, they would stick together. Right. And do a streaming service of them together versus each having their own. I'd buy that. If I can watch football. Right.

Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised to see it come to Hulu, like kind of like how movies shows come to Netflix, like once the entire season is cool. Right, right. And that may be what I end up waiting on, which kind of sucks. Right.

You know, I'm pretty big Star Trek nut too. So, but, yeah, I don't know. We'll see. I mean, if anything, I might do the thing where I wait for all the episodes come out and do the free seven days and watch them all in seven days and then cancel. Yeah, I think I'm with you. I think I'm with you on that. So. All right, moving on to some more TV news.

When Game of Thrones concludes, HBO is going to do four Game of Thrones spinoff shows. Oh, I heard about that. Four? Yeah. Four. I think that may be going to the well one too many times, boys. Maybe, maybe. Any idea of the spinoffs are about?

I haven't heard anything. That was actually going to be my question for you guys. What spinoff show would you want to see? Well, I would think you would have to see Denarius or Tyrion, something or other. The Mad King, the Story of the Mad King. Yeah, the story. I was going to say the early stories at the prequel. Get a prequel in there.

How did Robert, King Robert, is it Robert? You got to see all the dragons and stuff, you know? Right. I don't know. I think that's a good one. That I would under, I would go for. But continuing stories or side stories? The consumer is kind of hard because you don't know how it's going to end yet.

Maybe Jamie's heroes. I could go for something like that where, you know, Jamie Lannister gets sent off with a tag group or something like that. What about? some early Caldrago adventures. Yeah, there you go.

That's a character everybody ever misses. Sure. And so that way he can you know, leave the Aquaman

thing alone and do something he's a little more built for. Okay, and our last bit of news here,

Edge of Tomorrow 2 has officially announced the title of the sequel, and I'm officially saying it's

stupidest title for next year. It will be live, die, repeat, and repeat. And this is what? Edge of tomorrow, too. They changed the name on that one. So they're going to change it again, I'm sure, before it happens. Yeah.

Well, I was trying to choose everybody even more. Yeah, I was trying to find my Blu-ray of the movie, of the first movie, and it has like three different titles on there. Right. Yeah. Well, you know, in Europe and stuff, it changes titles of these movies. So is Tom Cruise going to be in this one? Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt.

Just call it Cruz, Cruz, Cruz. There you go. And Cruz. Okay. Yep. I'm down for that. Sounds like a law firm. And I believe that's all the news we have.

All right. Well, Patrick, where are we going to be going now, man? Sounds like we're going to be taking a little trip down to the Trayton Park. The new, the old, you name it. We're going to look at them all. I think we got 16,000 trailers, but actually, Brian, what'd you do, whittle it down to like four or something for this show?

Yeah, something like that. All right, what's our first one, man? Okay, first one we're going to talk about is Apple Cart, starring Brea Grant, Barbara Crampton, Daniel Roebuck, and Allison Haysliff, directed by Brad Brahma, which this tells me a little bit about this movie. He's worked on Fantasen Ravager.

Should be some great special effects, man. A quick little synopsis. A caring mother loses her sanity, setting off a chain of events resulting in tragedy and murder. The story of Casey Pollock unfolds from two very different perspectives when one night in the woods culminates in absolute terror. Okay. Yeah, this kind of watching this, it kind of gave me sort of a shining type. theme to it. It's kind of a shining thing to it. But, of course, maybe the poor man's version.

Yeah, I don't know. I've got a pass on this one, guys. I didn't get much out of this trailer. Yeah, it definitely looked kind of like the, I don't know, when I watched it, sort of reminded me of the old school slasher, flick, kind of axe murder kind of thing going on. I don't know. I mean, I might give it a watch, but, uh, well, see. Maybe maybe get a more in-depth trailer. Yeah, maybe see what the next trailer holds for it. Yeah, because it was kind of a, it was kind of a short trailer,

wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I, nothing really stood out to me. It was it looked like, you know, just another movie. Yeah, I agree. I mean, the only thing that stands out to me is this fucking guy is attached to Fantasimmoner, so I'm not

looking forward to it. Yeah, well, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. when it comes out or when it gets closer, maybe it'll get something a little more on it, but you know. All right, our next trailer is 47 meters down, starring Mandy Moore, Claire Holt, and

Matthew Modine. Mandy Moore, how do you know how is that? Directed by Johannes Roberts. I believe I'm pronouncing his name right. Quick synopsis. Two sisters vacationing in Mexico are trapped in a shark cage at the bottom of the ocean. With less than an hour

of oxygen left and great white sharks circling nearby, they must fight to survive. Okay. I thought the trade on this looked pretty cool. I mean, it's definitely the Jaws, the genre, sharks in the water and all that stuff, which, you know, we've seen power many times, but I will say

I thought the concept was at least a little different. Yeah, you're in their territory. Yeah, and, you know, the whole limited oxygen thing. And it looks like you could have some thrills on it. it does look good i i saw shallows for the first time i want to say a week or two weeks ago and i really dug that you know the was the shark was more of a he had like a personal it seemed like had a personal grudge against the lady and all that so you know that was a little far-fetched but i actually i enjoyed it quite quite well one thing i saw two versions of the trailer on here one thing i couldn't

really make out for sure in which it's actually intriguing me to want to watch this is how the cage got down there i couldn't tell if the people that were putting it down there are they fucking with them? Or did it actually just snap? That is the shingest practical joke ever. The trailer I saw shows the rope fraying and breaking, so I don't know. Yeah. They're probably using it on some, or down in some third world country sightseance.

So there's probably some rope that's been used for 200 years and they never bothered replacing it. Ascent picture swims by and like films them and shit. All right, you got me. They just They're going to survive And this is how they get their kicks You know Because there's not

There wasn't really a lot of You know, hey, we're going to help And try to get you out I mean I was just about to say that I believe Matthew Modine plays the ship captain And he really

Didn't look like he was in any kind of panic Exactly I was got to say That's like you moody I didn't even recognize him Well, I guess they're dead now Here we go And I apologize

guys, we had an actual listener tweet us about this movie. They've already seen this movie. Oh, yeah? Really? And it's claiming that it's way better than the Shadows. Oh, come on. Bullshit. I call bullshit.

I don't doubt it. I think it looks kind of cool. I mean, with the exception of nobody's trying to find them, but I'm sure we'll figure that out in the movie. I mean, you can't shoot plot holes in the trailer. All you guys are looking forward to this movie, to me, it looks like a fucking piece of shit. Ah, I'm not about it. It's like a horrible, horrible preview. to me, man. I'm not looking forward to this at all.

Mandy Moore? She can't even act. I like Mandy Moore. She's pretty good. I'm going to make a stand. Lance, this is going to be on your top ten. This is going to be on your top ten for the year. I'm making the call now. Now you have to see it. You have to see it. That's the challenge.

And it will be on your top ten. And how do we know that there's not a pair of titsin that's going to totally redeem the movie? True. True. Yeah. It's sad. Maybe if Jacqueline Bissette.

from 40 years ago going to swimming by in a tank top I'll watch it but you know okay now we're going

to get into the two biggest trailers of this episode first one is the dark tower starring Idris Alba

Matthew McConahey Catherine Winnick Abby Lee and Jackie Earl Haley Oh Catherine Winnick I didn't notice her in it

but boy she's one of my favorites one of my favorite Viking I didn't even notice her

either oh man Jay I'm gonna let you start this off. Okay, you guys want to hear it for me, huh? Yeah, I've read the books,

listen to the audio. I've actually done the whole series up to six times. This is one of my absolute favorite stories, my favorite Stephen King's story of all time, and I am having problems with this

from the beginning. Oh, no. Right from the beginning. So the way the trailer is portraying, and I'm not going to get too deep into the story, but I'm just going to, you know, the couple issues I have is the thing with Roland, this is

his, this is his whole life. He's been searching for the dark tower. He knows what it is. He knows what he has to do. And in the book, there's always reference, time is funny, you know, or time is different. So, Rowling could be 40 years

old, Robin could be 400 years old. Rolling could be a thousand years old, okay? This is the gunslinger, right? This is the gunslinger. Okay. So this this quest nothing is more important the lives of its friends, family, nothing is more important but this trailer makes it look like

Jake is teaching rolling hey the dark you got to do this to save the dark tower you got to say this to earth yeah I know what I got to do it's like telling Superman you know I think you need to fly up there you're like I know what to do guys okay and it's just that right there and I had to watch

it three times because that really turned me off right there I love Matthew McConaughey. I really do. Anything he does is great. I am completely not buying him as the Man in Black. I just... I'm not with it.

I'm not with Michael. Yes, I'm not. I am not with... Climbing up that fence and jumping completely on the other side. God damn it. What can you tell from just one trailer, though, man? Come on. Because if you read the books, the Man in Black is...

Okay, have you guys ever seen the stand? Yeah, you're talking about Jamie Sheridan's character. He was perfect in the miniseries. Randall Flagg. Yeah, Randall Flagg. It's basically the same character if you read all the books. It is the same character. So the man in black isn't 100% this serious evil.

I'm going to come at you. I'm going to do this. Matthew McCarray, it may not be the actor. Okay, and it may not be the actor. I'll backstep on that and it may just be how it's written. But he's all serious, all eerie. evil 100% that's the way the trailer's looking. He's not sort of

like this evil goofball. He's kind of, you know, jokingly and you know, like screwing. He really likes screwing with people. I would say that Negan is sort of maybe a riff off of the man in black. He's a bad guy, but he likes

fucking with people a lot. I'm not getting this from McConaughey at all or the character. So that already has some warning flags for me. It's just and what is Roland doing on Earth? It's way too certain. And why is he on Earth as himself?

Again, I'm probably getting to score on Torrey. But you should not see Roland. There's a gunslinger, sorry, guys. Right. On Earth in New York. He needs to be there in a different form. But again, it's the trailer. So there may be a twist to that where, let me go, kind of give you a reference.

Hunt for Rat October, they're speaking Russian, and then it focuses, focuses in, and you're here in English. but they're actually speaking Russian. So it may be like, okay, actually seeing him rolling, but he's really not rolling. You know what I mean? Yeah. But right now, it looks like there's just way, way too many changes. The whole story is being, you know, shaking up, thrown in here.

Let's throw in this story. Let's throw in this story. Let's shake it up, pour it out, and see what we get. So I really have a lot of concerns for this one. Yeah. Jay. Hey, Jay, did you see Eddie or Susanna in? here? No, no. They're not in there, which makes sense because I would think that the movie will

probably end with the discovery of those guys, introducing the two new characters in the very next movie. I'm completely on board with that. Don't rush into it. Don't pick up these characters way too soon because one of the best stories is Roland getting these two folks into his world. And so I do not compact that. into a montage or 10 or 5 minutes. Draw that out. The drawing of the three, draw out that story and introduce these absolute characters

that you're going to get so involved in depth with. So I'm on board with them not even being in this movie, except maybe to the last, maybe like an after-credit scene or something like that. Oh, yeah, Stinger. That'd be perfect. See, man, I'm on the other side of the fence about everything that you just said,

except here's the thing, though. I haven't read the book. I'm just going off of the trail. trailer. I don't really know what the story is about or anything, but I feel like Stephen King and they've got Idris Alba and Matthew McConaughey in it, and they're finally doing a really good one for Stephen King. That's what he needs, this big blockbuster movie. And it's probably not going to follow the books to a T, I'm sure. You know, none of them ever do. But hopefully any licensing they take is going to be awesome. A quick thing I just A quick thing I just found This is saying it's It's a continuation from the books

Oh see that That is a red flag That is a red flag And that is That's a huge spoiler man That is a huge spoiler for them to say that For anybody who wants to read the books It really is

And that Hmm That's not good That's probably why I haven't wanted to read the books just yet again. I mean, I've read the first four, but I kind of want to wait and see, because I don't want to run the movie for me, but you know what you're talking about with Matthew McConaughey, we don't really have a very

big sample size of what, you know, for him being flagged, so we'll I mean, I'll give him the benefit of doubt just for the simple fact that he's done so well with other characters, so we'll wait and see on that. I'm down with that.

And for me, it's... Yeah, I'm... going to see the movie regardless that much of they've already got my money so yeah I'm with you yeah yeah you know it's kind of like um I I did

one of the things I did like about the trailer that I thought was interesting you know because you know from what it's like I said now it's been a while since I've read the books so they're not nearly a frustration my mind but you know he is a great gun like he's got all you know he's real good with the guns and I did like seeing some of the tricks they were doing with the guns like when he whips the gun

across his belt and it loads and he catches some bullets out of the air and a cylinder I thought that stuff was kind of cool just to give him some other world-way kind of magicianship of the six-shooter kind of sort of thing, you know. I think they have a lot of potential with this one. Yeah, it doesn't. I don't want the trailers to spoil too much for me because, like I said, I'm not, and that's true, too. Like, you know, you're talking about where it takes place within the book. And I don't know either, but I know I want them to do it right.

So I'm hoping that it's done well and whatever changes they make work. Because we know they're going to have to make some changes. I mean, that's just something you have to accept anymore. When it comes, the book's being moved over to movies. So hopefully it's the right changes. And the ones that may or may not necessarily be completely right, don't mess up the story so much that it completely ruins it. So we'll see.

All right. I can agree with that. I mean, I saw the Lord of the Rings movies before I even read the book. So I can see what you're coming from. You know, I'm not vested in. into the story. I'm not vested into, you know, reading something that people cherish so much. You know, I saw the movie like, okay, this is great. And then people's like, oh, where is that the character, Tom, something. I forget his name's like, I don't know what that is. Tom Bombadale.

Like, a lot of people were disturbed because he wasn't in there. It's like, well, and then I read the books later. I'm like, well, that makes sense to leave him out. I get why he was left out. I'm on board with that. So, yeah, I'll wait until I see it. So, Lance, are you going to reverse this on me and say this is going to be one of my top tens? I'm not ready to make that call yet, dude. I'm not confident there at all, man. But we'll see. We'll see.

I was hopeful that they were going to go with that plan that I heard about where they were going to make a movie and then a TV series and then another movie. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, they still are doing the series. Okay. Yeah, I think that's still the plan. Yeah. Yeah, this movie should be like one and probably two and a little, well, no, it can't be two. It's probably going to be a one and maybe some experts take it from the other movies and throw them in there.

I guess we'll find out pretty soon. When's it coming out, Brian? August 4th. Not too long. We're not going to really get into this trailer. I just wanted to bring it up. The It trailer. They released a second trailer for it.

And I just wanted to ask you guys a question since we just talked about the Dark Tower, which is going to be a bigger hit for Stephen King, the Dark Tower or the It? movie. I think it with that question. Hands down. Yeah. I mean, they've already released so much crap for it ahead of time that, I mean, it's, they've put all their promotion power in that one. Yeah,

I'm going to be on board with that. Hits already got some history behind it. It's a remake. It's a horror movie. Everybody knows what it is. The Dark Tower, I think there's going to be some people as to confuse as to, is it a Western, is it sci-fi? What is it? So there's going to be a lot of people who really don't know what Dark Tower is,

but everybody knows what it is. So it's going to be here. Fair enough. I agree. Okay. Moving on to our last trailer, which is Blade Runner 2049, starring Harrison Ford,

Ryan Gosling, Jared Leto, Dave Batista, Anna DeArmes, Robin Wright, Lenny James, and Edward James Almost. Wow.

Powerhouse. Patrick, I'm going to let you start this one off. Yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to this. Blade Runner is one of my all-time favorite science fiction movies

just because it's such an incredible story and you know, it's just visually stunning and all kinds of stuff. So I'm expecting a lot out of this movie. I hope I don't have it on too high of a pedestal. But I am happy to see that it's Ridley Scott has at least got

some hands on it. So and Dennis Villanue has done real well with some movies. So I've got some, I'm hoping it's going to be good. I mean, it looks pretty interesting. The longer trailer kind of gives us a little bit more,

like it looks like this coming to a head of, it almost seems like a war between the replicants and the humans or something you're brewing. So I don't know. It looks very interesting now. I'm really looking forward to seeing where they take us with it. Yeah, see, I like that. not giving us too much in the trailer.

I mean, because this is a whole lot more than the little teaser trailer they came out with earlier. But, I mean, just from the cast alone and the little bit that I've seen from it,

it's definitely going to be huge. I think it's going to be really good. Yeah, I will say this. Don't destroy it with trailers. Not to interrupt you there. I just want to say that there's one thing I do hope they answer in the movie. Well, or at least, I don't know,

because it was more a rumored thing. Right. But if you all don't remember in the original movie, it was rumored that Decker himself was a replicant. Right. I was going to bring that up.

Yes, yes. I'm sorry. Go ahead. So I'm curious if they will answer that or not, because he was supposedly a replicant that didn't have a lifespan. Okay. Expiration date or whatever or something like that. So, you know,

and that was speculated for years and whatnot. So I'll be curious to see if they actually answer that or not. That would be kind of interesting to see if something becomes of that. You know what? I was thinking about that, and I think that that may be answered. And my question was, is Ryan Gosling and is he Decker? Are they the same guy? Right.

Is he a replicant of him? He took the words right out of my mouth. Well, not quite. Yeah, everybody right. I was thinking that Decker can't be because he's obviously aged, but I'm thinking they're going to bring Gosling's character in and he will be. And he will be. And maybe he's a replicant of Decker, right?

That I don't know. Now that I hadn't thought about, man. That would put a whole new angle to it for sure. Then there's a bigger question. If that's true, and I'm going to sidestep, I'm going to kind of go off the rails here, if that's true and Ryan Gosling does such a great job, do we have a new Indiana Jones? Yeah, right? I don't know.

I'd watch. No. No. I said, I don't know if I liked Ryan Gosling enough for him to carry that franchise, but... I don't know. He kind of has the rugged looks for it a little bit. No, he does. I'm not a huge fan of him as an actor. I mean, he's okay. I don't hate him. I just don't love him, you know. Man, he's kind of underrated. If you go back and look at some of the performances,

he's actually got quite a bit of range, man. I'm actually going to go the other way. I think he's overrated. You know what? I'm with you, Brian. I'm sorry. Patrick, did you say that earlier? What's that?

You weren't on board with Ryan being... Right, yeah. I was kind of on board with you guys until I seen the nice guys. Once I saw the nice guys, you know what? May this guy is what everybody's saying he is. But yeah, prior to that, he was a regular other actor to me. He was a nothing super special. I've seen a bunch of stuff he's been in.

He's good. I like him. You know what? The Big Shore, he was good in the Big Shore. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Let's see. Lai Land, I didn't care.

I didn't care. I didn't watch it. I didn't watch him in that. Yeah, the nice guys was really good. The only God forgives was too fucking weird for me to judge. But it seems like weird stuff. It seems like he's the same character in that movie as in this one and drive. Yeah.

Wait a minute. No, wait a minute. The place beyond the pines. He was really good in that movie. Yeah. That's the one I was thinking. Yeah, good call. He's got some good performances, guys.

Well, from what it sounds like, it's like 50-50. He's got some hits and misses. Gotcha. His best performance was getting David Mendez to marry him, so. I'd probably agree right there. Yeah. Stellar right away from Ghost Rider, huh? And he used a bike as well.

Yeah, there you get. We got a release. date of October 6 for Blade Runner 2049. All right. And that is our... Got a little ways to wait on that one, huh? Yep. And that is our last trailer.

This may be a challenge this week, Philip, being as how we were, we've been at Frightmare weekend and we're not down off Cloud 9 even quite yet. So you may have to do a little fishing to find some of the feedback, man. But what you got for us, man? That's... Lars actually, Lars Christian Detlinson actually gave us some feedback from that Texas

Fright Mirror weekend episode already. He said it was a great interview with Dee Wallace, very inspiring. And yeah, she absolutely was wonderful, man. She was so cool. And when we went and met her at Texas Frightmare, she was amazing too. I just want to say,

I just recently listened to the episode. You guys did a fantastic job. Oh, editing, man. Way to go, Lance. This guy All right. Who's the one who got the interview set up is what I want to know.

If it wasn't for Brian, there wouldn't Yeah, true that too. I love that intro too with the music. With the Soska twins. Oh yeah. Texas Hippie Coalition. There you go. That was Lance too, man. He picked the music on that one.

All right. And then Stephen Loblad commented on the the Sleepy Hollow getting canceled. And he said he knew it was coming, but damn. And he liked season one and three, but this last season was really different, but watchable.

Man, I tapped out after season one of that one. Really? That's another one of those 20, 20, yeah, he was too corny. It was like,

it was a lot like grim, which I also liked, but is also super corny, you know? It was way too prime time, right? It doesn't have that FX, FX or AMC cable quality to it. That's what really, really got me into it was the cop lady.

Oh my God, is she hot? Jesus. Yeah, that's very true. I don't think anybody's going to watch the show, but spoilers. They killed her character off. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Show was downhill.

Well, she wasn't good to draw. I'm glad I bounced out up to episode three. And one more thing, Stephen, stop sending me crying Jordan faces because my, my, Houston Rockets lost. Yeah, man, what happened with that? Well, I don't want to get too into it. They got blown out in epic fashion on the last game. It was the worst game of the season was their last game.

Exactly. You know, that's my team. I don't want to get into it. Yeah. There's always next season. Always next season. Well, that's pretty much it for our listener feedback this week because we've got comments. Palooza this week.

Hey Phil, just real quick. I actually have some feedback. I just figured I'd do it live while I was on here. Let's do it. There was a couple things. Do it live. The last episode you guys did, you were talking about, you reached up talking about seeing Jurassic Park with your kids and everything and how that held up.

And I did want to tell you, I saw that in the theater here. Oh, it's been maybe a year or so ago. And I hadn't seen the theater since it came out. And it was like watching it for the first time. It was amazing. I was like, that's definitely one of those movies that you got to, the big screen is by far, any chance you can take kids to see that on the big screen, it's worth doing. Because it really makes it a huge difference.

Pull back and show the dinosaurs real epically? Ah, that would have been really cool on the big screen. It was great. We saw Animal Draft House showed it one time here, not too long ago, and I went and saw it here. It was really awesome. And then the other piece of feedback I had was about the Texas Frightmare, and you guys were talking with EG Daily, which I thought was a great interview. And Lansom mentioned,

I totally forgot she was in all those 80s movies. Yeah. And Better Off Dead happens to be one of my favorite movies of all time from the 80s. But also, she did that Tommy Pickles voice. She was also the voice of a cartoon that I used to watch in the 90s called Eek the Cat. And I didn't catch it. I didn't catch it.

I love that. Yeah, I love that question. And powerful. We used to get stoned in the morning and watch that. me and my buddies from work when I worked overnight, and it came out there in Texas. It was great. We'd get up in the morning and come home,

and we'd all sit there and do a little round table and watch Eke the Cat. It was good times. But, uh, I didn't catch that until she did the Tommy Pickles voice. I realized like, oh my God, that's a voice of Wendy Elizabeth, you know,

the cat owner from Eke to Cat. So I just thought that was kind of cool. So that made me, that made me love her even more after that. So, um, but yeah, I've kind of jealous of you all got to meet her. Oh,

and then you had one more piece of, feedback of what I should have said to Rick Flair in the bathroom. Oh, yeah. What's that? You can go ahead and say it and get some practice. I got to practice for this weekend, just in case. Patrick told me to, uh, should have looked over at it down at the stall and been like, hey, nice watch. That may not have gone over a little while.

It would have remembered me. Then you could say, I got this black guy from Rick Flair. Exactly. What's he going to do? Punch me in the face? That's just something else he could autograph. Hey, this is Sean Whalen, Roach from People Under the Stairs. You are listening to The Horror Returns.

Feature presentation. All right, cool. Do you like that? That's kind of awesome. That's kind of awesome. I go with that from now on. So obviously our main movie of the week we'll get to it a little bit,

but first it's a little movie called Howard the Duck. So we all went back and set the way, way, way back machine. I can't help but think of that stupid song. Howard the Duck. Oh, man. All right, well, as usual, let's start with some trivia. Howard the Duck was directed and written by Willard Yuck. Is that even real?

Well, I'm starting to wonder if that wasn't George Lucas's pseudonym or something. I'm not thinking that. But he was also known for Best Defense. If he has ever seen that piece of shit? No. No. Was it Eddie Murphy and who was the little British actor that played Arthur? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. If I'm thinking of the same movie, that's what it was. and he also did Messiah of Evil. He has ever heard of that one? Oh, it's a negative. Okay, not sounding good for having to duck here. Yeah, it's probably not a good sign. Not a good sign. I had to predict into the future.

All right, so our first piece of trivia, George Lucas was heavily in debt, having just built the $50 million-plus Skywalker Ranch Complex, and was counting on this film to get him back in the black. Good call When it bombed He was forced to start Selling off assets

To stay afloat His friend He had a friend by the name of Steve Jobs He has ever heard of this guy Hey He owned a little fruit company Didn't he? Hey, good one man

He offered to help By buying Lucasfilm's newly launched CGI animation division For a price Well above market value And Lucas in desperate straits and thankful for the assistants agreed.

You guys have any idea what that division eventually became to be known as? Pixar. Pixar animation. You win a T-shirt. I win a T-shirt. I would throw one at you from our booth if it was tomorrow at the Comic Con. So, Comic Police. Boy, T-Job's no side to make money.

Well, I want you to take my shirt and give it to the girl. with the biggest knockers. Okay. I think we can make that happen. All right. Executive producer George Lucas spent two million dollars. Well, this may be part of the reason he was in so much fucking debt. He spent two million dollars on the goddamn duck suit.

What? Oh, my God. Are you serious? This is a lot. Especially back then. Man, that eight different actors worked inside the costume. That made sense. According to the...

the 2009 DVD release, a child actor was intended to be the main Howard but didn't work out. So another actor named Ed Gale ended up performing the lion's share of the major scenes as Howard and as such earned himself a credit at the start of the film.

And you guys were talking about Better Off Dead earlier. So John Cusack and also Martin Short auditioned for the voice of Howard. No. I would have

Martin short as Howard the day. Oh man. Who's going to get it? Who's going to get it going, guys? Who's first? We usually let our guests go first, so. Jay, you can go ahead and take the stage. All right.

I got a little, nice little story to this. First, I'm going to blend my uncool the week with this movie. Okay, now I rented this on iTunes. Okay. $3.99, that is the worst money I've ever spent, and I once paid a guy to kick me in the nuts. So, that's not true. just trying to throw that.

Okay, I was going to say, I feel like there should be a story behind that. I just want to, I just want to exaggerate how much terrible this film is. Okay, so as a kid, I had a good friend of mine, we would, you know, at the sixth or seventh grade, I forget, we'd walk to his house. Okay. And the only thing I ever wanted to do was watch Howard the Duck, because I've never seen it, right? So I was watch Howard the Duck. And he's like, oh, my God, why didn't want to watch that stupid movie? And so we would go and maybe watch five, ten minutes of it, and then we'd go do other things.

so I never really got to see the movie. The thing he really wanted to watch, his parents had these porn cartoons, these extravagant, Swedish, whatever, and that's what he wanted to watch. Can't blame on that. Yeah, 10 or 12 times. You just wanted to see some duck boobs, man. That's all I wanted, right? I probably seen the beginning of Howard the Duck 15 times, and it wasn't until I was an adult

that I actually finally got to see the movie. Like, you know, I'm finally going to sit down and watch Howard a Duck. and be careful for what you wish for. Yeah, that's probably the lesson, the biggest lesson you're going to learn today about this movie is be careful what you wish for because this movie is a piece of shit. Well, I actually love this movie. There's duckmen.

Oh, awesome, yeah. We got two exact opposite. And the reason why is because it represents everything bad about 80s movies but in a good way you know I mean it's like it's so bad it's good you know right I mean the first

the first 10 minutes of this movie maybe like the first five gives you every cliche you could possibly ask for it from an 80s movie everything and you've got the you've got the gratuitous duck boobs

you've got the cheesy the cheesy punk rock baddies I mean everything and how it's all sort of centered around a rock song that sucks yeah i mean everything about all those all the stuff that we love about cheesy 80s movies is in this movie okay and that's why i like it i mean you know yes the movie let's let's not you know it is a dog turd in a lot of ways but but there's something great about just how it culminates all these things

and that's why I loved about it. You know, I mean, it's got shitty dialogue. It's got just everything. And, you know, on the plus side, you get to see Leah Thomas in her under her. Which I know it's not quite as good as a breast shot, but she is. She was a bit sexy in there. Yeah. So even that much ever, I was like, man, that's awesome.

So as a kid, you know, when I went and saw this, you know, I liked it for what it was, but it was definitely a let down back then. But now, just because of what it represents and stuff, I like it. One thing I could not – oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Brian. Go ahead. I wasn't saying anything. Oh. One thing that I just couldn't get over, and I get it.

It's probably for kids and all that. Why is everything on Howard the Ducks' Homeworld Duck-related? I mean, you don't see everything on our planet. Human-related. You know, there's not human names to everything. Oh, this is a – it's a Taryn cloth. No, no, don't call it Washington Duck Bill or

Mallards or something. You get it. He's a duck. It's a duck world. Just give it regular names. Don't duck theme everything. That was kind of cute, man. I was afraid the duck puns were going to get out of control really fast, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it was, man. I kind of enjoyed it.

I thought the part was funny. To extend that, not only they're duck themes, but they're also human-based duck theme. You know? Well, okay, so for instance, you know, even the tower, the duck himself, you know, he walks on two feet and the duck tits, they look like human tits, but with feathers. You know, they're humanoid. They're not like, so it was like, and that was the thing about the 80s, a lot of 80s stuff, you know, when they had aliens, they were all humanoid based. Right.

Of some level, you know, there was no creativity of, why the fuck would they be humanoid based in reality, you know? I mean, was it because of special effects, maybe? They just didn't have the technology. I'm sure that was far enough. It's easier to throw somebody in a spacesuit that's got two legs and arms and, you know. Godzilla is a perfect example, why he walks the way he does. Technology wasn't there. You had to put somebody in a rubber suit, you know, dragging his tail across the ground.

No animal drags their big ass tail across the ground. Lift it up in the air. And let's not to get the fact of how he gets to Earth. I mean, you're going to tell me he wouldn't have just burnt to create. He should have been peaking by the time he landed on Earth. He should have been frozen. It was in a different dimension. They all had it wrong.

Yeah. And how was he breathing while he was going? Right, exactly. Right. So all that silly stuff. That's all part of it, though. That's part of the joke here. That's the end of that.

That's part of that 80s cheese, yes. Yeah. I want to know what Brian had to say about it. I'm right there with Patrick. I kind of have a nostalgic love for this movie. I've seen it so many times as a kid. I mean, like you said, the one thing you always remember is duck boobs. And you get duck boobs twice.

Yes, you do. You get to center fold. But no lay it to all famous moves. And, of course, you get, you're talking about they have like human, you know, human kind of stuff on their planet. You know, you get their own form of martial arts with quack foo. Yeah. That was awful.

Why would you call it quack foo? I mean, we don't call it. We don't call it worst martial art ever. We don't call it word foo or talk foo. I mean, it's so silly. It's just, you know, I think what it stands for me is I didn't get to see it as a kid. It's something that I've always wanted to see as a kid. And then when I finally saw it as an adult, I looked at it from an adult's point of view.

Sort of, because when you watch things as a kid, you know, they're great and then you see them as an adult. One example is, as a kid, used to love the TV series, the Dukes of Hazard. It was the greatest thing in the world. Oh, yeah, love that show. Love that. And then when you're watching as adult, you watch it now, you're like, wow, this is, this is not good.

Awesome is what it is. It's, you know what? It's, you know what? It's, because you evolve, you evolve with taste and you evolve with expectations. You get shows like, you know, like Breaking Bad and the Shield and things like that. That just kind of, there's a problem with shows that are so good like that. really kind of evolve your taste and what you like. You know,

there are some things that bring you back as a kid, song, smell, movies and things like that. I'm not going to knock those or take those out, but it's just, you're still going to love that because it's still going to bring you back. But sometimes,

even for me, it does really evolve my taste and things that I used to like. I just don't like anymore, unfortunately. If that's the case, then I'm devolving because I remember when I first, I saw this movie when it first came out, I fucking hated it.

Did you? Yeah, because I love the Gerber comic, and I used to read the comics all the time, and I saw the show and I was like, this is fucking nothing like the comic books, because it wasn't what I visualized. It was a real funny looking, and the fake suit and all that bullshit.

I hated it in 86. But when I watched it this time, in spite of myself, I actually really enjoyed it. Yeah? Yeah, hell yeah. I had a lot of fun. Like I said, I love the cheese part of it, The duck puns, they didn't quite go overboard. They started to, and I was thinking, oh, shit.

Are we going to bed for two hours of this? But they kind of ended them, like, in the first 10 minutes, and I was okay with that. You know, and then the characters that he met, I thought were great. I thought that Jeffrey Jones' character was really funny. Quite frankly, quite frankly, the special effects in this were better than some of the movies we reviewed last year. I was going to bring this up, the Evil Space Overlord. great special effects, a great puppetry. That was a good, that was a good looking monster.

Right, it was. There was a lot of good special effects. There's a lot of things that I think that they did actually really write in this movie. One of them was not the writing at all. That was my biggest problem with it, man. There was such a good movie in here. They had like the same formula as Guardians of the Galaxy. No joke.

It was a comedy. They were trying to hit one-liners and stuff. The problem is none of it was any, was funny. at all. None of it was funny. He was fucking terrible. That's my biggest problem with it. So I disagree, man. I get some chuckles. I think

I think we got to give it a point for Leah Thompson. We got to get it. Definitely. Yeah, that was one of the things I didn't notice as a kid, but you notice now watching it. Yeah. Yeah. How close you were about to see some bestiality in this movie.

Right. It was weird there for a minute. And you went a slug slap the damn duck because she was all four and he's like I don't know I don't know about it right right and why was his condom not in a wrap who puts a unwrapped condom that was that was high school shit

and then after it barely fit on her fingers she was still like oh howard let's go no but I think the special effects were great the the whole thing was was pretty good just from a production standpoint the writing was awful man

I didn't like any of the jokes man it was like it's like watching just a really bad stand-up comedian like the sarcastic duck I get would have been cool but then he kept kind of changing back and forth his character a little bit and I hate to get too serious on it like that with a Howard Duck but You know, it just wasn't, it didn't hit it for me, you know. But, I mean, the formula was there.

It had potential. I do have one question for you, Brian. Huh. Have you ever, have you ever, because, you know, we're down here in Louisiana, Cajun country? Have you ever had duck sausage? No, I haven't. I was going to ask if. Well, then why don't you duck down here and get some, boy?

I was going to ask if anybody's heard of duckeroni. Duckaroni. No. That's the same for Francisco treat. Because that, for some reason, showed up in the movie. And it was on Earth. Wasn't it on Earth?

No. Yeah. That made no sense. Oh, fuck. I didn't answer that. So, for me, it had three good things going. It had, of course, Leah Thompson. It had the Jeffrey Jones character.

And also, one of the best... Did the third thing be Tim Robbins? No, Tim Robbins was actually terrible. The stop-go animation of the creature was one of the best I've seen. That was actually... Sometimes you can tell it was stop-go, but at sometimes it didn't really look like stop-go.

I mean, it really looked like maybe like it was a giant puppet or something. That creature was actually really, really good. So those are the three things that I... No, Tim Robbins was just... Oh, my... Extremely over the top. Because he kept... Is he a good guy?

He's a bad guy? He's just... Oh, my God. crazy is what do you yeah are ready for scores on this one yeah yeah because I think we're ready to move on to the big to the big movie so uh well Jay you went first right

yeah I give it two duck boobs on 10 two two on okay that's higher than I thought you were going to give it I give this one a really heartfelt six and a half I mean this is I love this movie for all the cheeseness it represents I'd give it a higher score, but the fact that it is a polished turd in a lot of ways. But it just represents so many great things about all the 80s movies that we love, you know, that, and, you know, like the whole everything.

You know, some of the 80s movies, a lot of them had that based on wanting to be a rock star, you know, and all that stuff. And, you know, all that stuff. And this was all in Latin. And what classic 80s comedy doesn't have Jeffrey Jones in it somewhere, you know, know. I mean, so it's a, to me, it's a, it's a child. Right. Yeah.

He did? Like, he's a weird looking dude. Like, if you'd tell me he was a child, I didn't know that at all. Oh, no, that did I. And I'm like, wow, that totally makes sense. The porn stash didn't give it away or? But no, for me, a six and a half, a real solid rating, I think, for this film. It's not bad.

And just because it is a classic and it's, own right for what it is. And it's a lot of fun to watch. Yeah, when it first came out, I fucking hated it. I mean, I was so pissed off because it was not what I visualized with a comic book at all. But upon second viewing, or, well, third or fourth viewing, because I probably watched a couple of times when I was a kid.

But I actually say it was more good than bad. I actually give it a five and a half. Yeah. All right. Now, Lance, just a quick question, the comic books, was he on? earth in the comic books or was he in his own world? No, most of the comic books, he was on Earth. Okay.

Okay. Yeah, because that was my problem with some movies where you have things from your child. What's that noise in the background? Is somebody doing bubble wrap or what? No, that's probably me. Sorry, I was getting a Twizzler. Like movies like... A duck twizzler, huh?

Yeah. He's practicing his duck. A quackler. Quackler. Oh, jeez. Oh man, sorry, guys. See, that's the kind of jokes that were in the movie. Oh, man.

So what were you saying, Jay? I lost my train of thought. Oh, okay. So, like, Masters of the Universe, you know, everybody, you know, loved He-Man, the cartoon when they were kids. But when they made the movie, when you bring, when you have stories that are not on Earth, but when they come to the big screen and then you just bring them into Earth, it really takes, takes through the whole movie. Now, I'm not a big fan of the Smurfs, but they did that. When that Smurts movie came out a few years ago, they should have left them in their own world. Or it was in the past, in real human past. Instead of bringing them here, that's why I hated

the master's universe so much because he brought him to Earth and you just took away from the real story. So I didn't know, since I didn't read the comics, I didn't know if that's what they did to Howard, the Duck, and that's probably why I thought maybe it took away because you just, you're trying to relate to the viewers and not give the viewers. to credit that they can be in intelligent and understand. You don't need a relate earth for me to enjoy the movie, you know? Right. Fair enough.

Makes sense. What you say? I've seen that happen in movie after movie after movie. But no, in the comic books, he was pretty much on Earth the whole time. Okay, good, good. Yeah, what did you think, Brian? I'm probably going to get some shit for this. I'm going to give it a seven.

because I have that nostalgic love for it from my childhood and yes it is a polished turd but I own that polished turd on Blu-ray You're just trying to justify buying it Don't give me that shit

He wants that cover With his beak coming out of the egg You know what? If I had the poster, it would be up on my wall. I'll take the Raiders of the Lost Art duck post Oh, that is a good thing. We're all over the board on this one.

I'm going to go four begrudgingly. Four? Yeah, I wanted to give it a little lower, but I got to give it a four just because there's... I feel like there's still a lot of potential there. There's a good movie in there somewhere. They just, you know, they should have spent more money on a comedian to write the jokes instead of, you know, whoever was sitting backstage at the moment. Four is not terrible. You know, it's not good.

You know, are you guys still looking to do a restructure of your rating, your rating restructure? Are you guys going with it? I don't know. I think we're going to stick with the 10 scale at least for now. Yeah. I got an idea that might be, you know, in step with the horror. Yeah. Kind of like a thumbs down.

Keep it buried or resurrected. For this movie, I'm going to keep it buried. Resurrection, you can watch it again. I'd actually given that a thought, too. I was just thinking you could do fucks instead of, you know, I give two fucks for this movie. I like that. I'll resurrect it. I'll watch this movie again.

You know what? I would say that just based on the nostalgia factor, it's worth a rewatch, you know? Resurrect? Expect too much out of it, though. It's a bad rewatch. It's a high rewatch, a drunk watch. So it sounds to be like Philip's saying Resurrection just long enough to perform a little necrony

And then put it back down right Resurrection and get super stoned Then fuck it back into the gray I have a feeling that we might be seeing it again At some point down the line anyway Resurrection That could happen I'm on board with that

Especially who's doing the voice I mean, it can't get a whole lot worse. I agree with you 100% on that. All right, you guys ready to move on? Let's do it. All right. So the big one this week is Guardians of the Galaxy 2, directed and written by James Gunn, who, of course, as Brian reminded us earlier,

is also known for Slither and also Super. Now, this is going to be interesting. You guys are going to love this one. Wow. You're talking about a whole bunch of different ways to interpret the character. So Gary Oldman, Vigo Mortensen, Christoph Waltz, Christopher Plummer, Max von Seedow, and Liam Neeson were all considered for the role of ego. Wow. Wait, who was the first one? Did you say, oh, you say Gary Oldman? Gary Oldman.

Oh, I could have been on board that. Yeah, it must be White Boy's Day, right? Yeah. This is the first film shot on Red's weapon 8K digital camera. It is the digital equivalent of VistaVision, a higher definition 35 millimeter format developed in the 1950s. In the cinematic Marvel comic book universe timeline, this film takes place in 2014.

Three months after, Guardians of the Galaxy. Did you guys notice that when they, when they did the flash forward at the beginning there? No, I didn't. Yeah, I noticed that right away. They were, whatever year it was in it, I think it was in 1980, correct? Yeah.

I think it just said 80s. Okay, no, I think it was literally 1980. I think it was 1980, yeah. Okay. I think it said 34 years later or something like that. Right, yeah. Okay, yeah, I did. Now you should bring it up.

I didn't notice. All right, well, in the Marvel universe, guys, in the timeline, it takes place one year after Thor, the dark world before or after Captain America the winter

soldier and a year before age of Ultron Ego arrived on earth and began his relationship with Meredith

Quill in 1980 which took place 38 years after Captain America the first Avenger and 32 years

before the Avengers so for all you Marvel timeline completest out there there you go so that's that's the

trivia. So, hey, Jay, you started last time. So I think this time we want to ask Patrick if he'd like to do the honors. Sounds good. Sure. I loved it. This movie was a lot of fun. It's

I'm actually a big fan of this area of the Marvel universe, just because I don't think it gets talked about as much. And there's so many interesting characters they can bring into the fold. so I was a big fan the first one and this one to me just kind of picked up right where the last one left off

um starts off with a bang has good it does slow down a little bit in the middle um i was debating on whether it slowed down too much um i actually went and saw it twice so um it could have picked up a little bit there but i mean it picks up at the end and everything comes together And overall, I mean, I thought it was great. It was just real enjoyable. We get a lot more, a lot more of the character build from everybody. We kind of get to know everybody. Baby group.

Yeah, baby group was awesome. But you know what I mean? We really kind of get a feel for who these characters are. With the exception, maybe drags. We got a little bit of drags, but I think we probably can. could still build a little bit more on him. Not to interrupt you, I think we, we didn't, we didn't get enough from Dax, but I think we got enough that it was fine for me.

No, yeah, I don't think it took away from things. Yeah, yeah. He was good, I don't think it took away from anything. Yeah, he was good, and I don't think it took away anything at all. I just feel like compared to some of the other, you know, catching up we got, we maybe got a little less of him, and maybe that was a good thing, just because we can always save that for later. but yeah I agree we definitely got enough for sure

but overall I really enjoyed this film I'm right there with you I think it was more of a comedy than a lot of the Marvel movies I think maybe they took that turn a little hard when Deadpool came out but it's everything was super funny that they did it was they didn't lose my interest at all

throughout the whole movie. I thought they did a great job of just bouncing off of each other. The whole movie was just nothing but character development. And with little side stories in the background,

which I thought was kind of cool. Baby Groot was awesome. He's a little more of a baby than I expected from the previous. Drak's, I thought he was funny. He was the punchline guy because everything out of his mouth was a joke. And the fact that it's not meant,

and the fact that it's not meant to be, or the character doesn't mean to be funny, it makes it so much better. And I wouldn't have expected that out of him, you know? But I thought he did a great job. Man, I really enjoyed every bit of it. I may like this one better than the first one. It was a good movie.

Man, strong words, dude. Um, I would say that the, uh, special, first of all, before I say anything else, the special effects were fucking out of this world. Oh, yes, they were. Go see it. Literally. Go see it in 3D. If you have seen it in 3D. I did see it in 3D and I saw it in a D box. So the chair, the chairs moved and everything with what was going on in the screen, which was awesome. I was a little sore about after all the fees, I ended up paying $47 for two tickets. Ouch. That was fucking expensive. did it come with that extra I was talking about yeah no shit it should have dude for sure there definitely should have been a happy ending

in there somewhere but I was blown away I only thought that the Doctor Strange effects were awesome my only regret when I was about 10 minutes into the movie was that I hadn't taken a hit of acid before I went into because that movie definitely deserves some embellishment of some

sort so so fucking kudos big time for that. Rocket character was fantastic. I think he's really, Cooper's got that nailed. Drax, I think, was the wrong character to give that much screen time to.

I just don't think of Artis as that great of an actor. That's just my opinion. I didn't think he really pulled it off. I mean, who doesn't love looking at, what's her name, Gamora? The Green Girl? The Green Orion slave girl, Patrick.

Green O'Hura? Yeah, oh my God. She was She was hot, but not the best actress. No? I did, you know, just my opinion. I thought, really, at the end of the line, I mean, at the end of the day, I think the story was a little bit lamer, though, than the first one. I didn't like the story as much as the first one. I can see that.

And that's just my opinion. And I thought that Kurt Russell was a little bit wasted. I think that he is probably, I don't think he was right for the part. I mean, I really kind of think he's not the right person to play this part. Out of those names we mentioned earlier, I think that Christoph Waltz would have done better. Max von Sieda would have done better. Gary Oldman would have been almost perfect. Gary Oldman would have been great.

Yeah, I just don't see. I guess I can't see him being, even though he was stuntman Mike in the movie we reviewed not too long ago when he was a convincing bad guy in that, I just didn't see him convincing. when the table's turned, I didn't see him being this evil entity, you know? Right. Oh, shit. Uh-oh, we haven't gone into it yet, have we? We'll edit that part out.

What, whack, whack, wha, laugh, wow, wow, wow. Well, you know what? Which of our listeners at this point, we're already doing the show a week late because of frighten. Yeah. I mean, which of our listeners do you really think haven't seen this at this point, you know? But, uh, ah, come on. Everybody knows that fucking ego, the living planet has an evil tree. if you've read the comic books, come on.

I'll be quiet now and wait for spoilers. How about the effects they had for ego when they showed the planet with the face on it? How awesome was that? That was amazing, dude. Beautiful. Eye candy all the way, man, from start to finish. Somebody else needs to talk.

I'll go. I'll go. So I saw this movie on Sunday. I saw it again last night. One thing that I did really enjoy about this movie was each character, about as much screen time and development. So they didn't really focus just on Starlord himself.

The one thing that I was concerned about before going into it was the, oh, man, what's his name? Family Matters. What was the Urkel? I thought they were going to go with the Urkel effect. And what I mean is, you know how Urkel kind of took over the show? I thought they were going to do that. Oh, right. Okay, Biggie is going to be.

baby group yeah no i left his his dance at the beginning oh yeah that was that was the best thing of the it was perfect and there was that one scene with him and drax which kind of played on to one of the after screen credits remember when he was dancing to the jackson five and and drags would look over and he would freeze and like right and they had like a little 10 15 second bit where he was dancing and drags falls right next to him he's looking and he kind of stops and all that i thought that was absolutely great. I can't decide what my favorite line in the movie

is. It's either going to be I'm Mary Poppins, y'all. Oh, my nipples. It's not so much. All right. I'm Mary Poppins, y'all. That was one of the best. I actually got to meet that guy

on a Comic Con about three years ago. A really nice guy. One of my actually favorite scenes was Drax. When, and he's not saying a word. I mean, you learn so much about this character. It's when Mantis is sitting with him,

she puts his hand on him, then she starts to feel all that motion. You can just see crying and all that. Again, I'm not spoiling anything. You will get into that later, but it just spoke so much volume for Drax, and Atlantis says something like being a great actor and all that, but he didn't have to.

I mean, she, the actress, Well, both of them kind of played in that one scene and just, it was, it was, I think that was one of the most heartbreaking moments. I know some folks, there's some other scenes that say it's really heartbreaking, but that was one of them for me. And that, when I first saw it, I thought Drax was a little bit too much for the comedy,

especially when he would just laugh crazily. And my second viewing, I think I really toned that down a little. I think he was, I think right on par. I think he was pretty good. His character was used, was used, very good. One, my absolute favorite

scene in the movie, we'll have to wait until we get into spoilers before I get into that. Right. Right. And you mentioned the scene at the beginning, which everybody's seen the trailer and that's pretty much what the beginning opening is. And you were talking about the little dance scene with Drax.

One of the scenes I really liked out of that opener was when Baby Groot comes up and Gamora hollered at him. She's like, get out of here, get shot, he stops away at her and she's like hi yeah that was my favorite that's all my favorite that was so cute you know because it kind of you can see that whole little family kind of thing going on there and all that and I thought that was really well done and he does that throughout the movie right you know he's a yeah hey guys and he's definitely a baby but uh actually you know what Kurt Russell I didn't

really have an issue with Kurt Russell um I know what they're trying to go for they were trying to get I think the father figure who was close as Star Lord as the character as possible. I absolutely agree. All the actors you name, Gary Owen was probably one of my top two favorite actors of all time. But what they were going for, for trying to be as familiar with Star Lord as possible,

I thought Kurt Russell was a great fit. I don't think Max von Seino would have played that off at all. That would have been a completely different character. Gary Oban may have played it off, but I thought Kurt Russell did Xxie. excellent because, you know, when you first seen him, he's kind of kind of being half serious and I'm going to go take a whiz. You're like, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's star, that's just an older star lord is what that is. Yeah. Makes a lot of sense. You're kind of

convincing me, man. And I think, I mean, I, I understand what you're coming from Lance on that. And I, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, just have to where it kind of, it is, you know, you know, maybe talk a little bit more about it, spoilers but there's just some of that that to me it just kind of you know i i see where you're coming from where it didn't feel like he was right for it but at the same time like when he was doing the actual father part at the beginning i thought he was great it wasn't until things started shifting that it started feeling a lot of place yeah right so well you guys ready for yeah let's spoil the hell out of it let's let's do we need to do ratings first the more we talk yeah yeah we're going to do

I feel like the more we talk, the more we're getting into sports. There you go. Who's going first? I think I went first. So I'm going to give this movie a nine. Wow. Fuck, dude. Because I really enjoyed it.

I really liked the first one. Or as your friend is going to see. Woo! Yeah. I mean, that may be a little high just because I am a little biased towards it. But, you know, I was originally thinking about an 8.8.5, but after seeing the second time, I mean, I just really enjoyed it. So going with the base. off the fun factor and everything else, I'm going to give it a nine.

Very good. Very good. So me and Patrick were completely opposite ends of Howard the Duck. We're right on par with this one. This is an easy nine, resurrect shit out of it on 10. Excellent, excellent. Absolutely. Who's next? I think I actually went second, so that probably should have been me.

Sorry, my apologies. Oh, no, my fault, because I was sleeping. I'm going to say, man, I, like 9.487. How about that? Like, I want to give it a 9.5, but not quite. I thought it was awesome. Cool. On first watch, I thought it was a little too joky.

But after watching it on the big screen with the 3D and everything, man, great movie. I'll go, Max. I'm also going to give it a nine. This movie for me is just the first one. Everything I didn't get in the first one, I got here. I got more character development in this one. And this movie was just fucking fun. And I just want to hurry up and get into spoilers.

Yeah. Fair enough, man. All right, Lance, don't break the trend. Yeah, no, I mean, this, I'll put it to this way. Like I said, this was a special effects extravagan. I mean, it was absolutely gorgeous to look at. They put so much time and energy into making this film and doing the special effects. And whatever this new camera is they used, obviously worked really well.

So it was just an absolute eye treat for sure. I mean, it was eye candy, pure and simple. Rocket Raccoon's character was amazing. I really, I loved it. I loved the comedy in this movie. I love the fact that they didn't take themselves too seriously. And I would also say that, you know, that I really... really enjoyed the 80s references, the way they tied everything to 1980.

Be it the music, be it the look. I love the end credits. I love the opening credits. I love the end credits. All that was cool. But at the end of the day, the story for me just kind of, you know, didn't bring it up to what I was expecting. I did not enjoy this as much as I did the first one.

And again, you guys say Kurt Russell was perfect. I'm glad you really enjoyed it. him. For me, this just wasn't my Kurt Russell for some reason. But I will give it a seven. I give it a pretty high score. I really enjoyed it. I give it a seven, guys. Wait a minute. Can you remind us what you

gave Howard the Duck? Howard the Duck was five and a half, man. Oh, okay, okay. Which basically means I liked it a little bit more than I didn't like it. More good than bad. Yeah, but no, no, no, I, hey, don't get me wrong. I really enjoyed this movie. You had a semi-chap on that one.

It ain't going to be in my, it ain't going to, it ain't to be in my top 10, but it's been a great year for movies, guys. Come on. Yeah. I guarantee you to be a mind. I'm trying to compare this to some other stuff we've seen like Split, Get Out, John Wick 2,

some of these other movies that I've just fucking loved. I stand by it. I'm giving it a 7. I think that's a fair good score. Great but different, man. Yeah. All right. You guys ready? Yeah. Here we go. Here we go.

This is a motherfucking Spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Who's first?

The first thing I want to bring up is young Kurt Russell. This blew my mind that I read that that was mostly makeup and practical effects. Yeah? Yeah, that's crazy. That's actually crazy. I think they said it's like 10. percent CG. Dude, I'm going to have to raise my score if you keep telling me this kind of shit.

Mm-hmm. That was amazing. Yeah, it looked really good. Yeah. Yeah, he did. He looked really great. It looked like old school Kurt Russell. When I saw that, I was ready for the remake of Escape to New York when I saw that.

You know what? All right. Bring it on. I forgot what podcast I heard that on. They said, why don't they just cast Kurt Russell in the new movie and just de-age him? Yeah. Just give him all that. all that makeup, yeah.

Hell, they did a pretty damn good job over on this one. But, yeah, I want to touch on what you brought up, Jay, the scene with Dax and Mantis. I thought that was a powerful scene right there. Yeah, extremely. You know, it was brought up that, you know, his, Batista's acting is not that great. I don't, I think for the character, it's, it's fine. Yeah. Because he doesn't emote a lot of emotion.

Right. And that scene where she just touches him and instantly just starts crying. just shows you what this what emotions what emotions he carries around with him all the time good point and um I also like you know

that that scene with the rocket and Yandu how Yandu said he's just basically pulling Rockets card and he's like I know all the stuff about you because I am you I am you you are me for the same guy but it was good yeah and I was

I don't know about you all but I was highly disappointed that Yondo dies at the end. I was like after we finally get Yondo out in the open and see just how cool the character is and they kill him. I know they built him up so much and then you get the scene where you know

he may be your father but I'm your daddy. That was great. That was an awesome scene. His death added some depth to the movie, really. I was just going to bring that up. That sometimes you need that to, he's a sacrifice bunt for for Starlords, character building. He needed to experience that. He experienced it with his mom. And now he had to experience it with his daddy. You know, he had to watch him die. He had to see that what he meant actually meant to Yon do. Right.

come full circle and, you know, and be sort of fulfilled that he had two absolutely loving parents that made him what he is today. His mom gave him a sense of humor, gave him his love for music. Yandu gave him his will to live and his survival skills and, you know, basically made him the man he is today. And now he got to realize that was the gift that both those parents gave to him. So for him, yeah, it's sad for us as a viewer, and because we want to be invested into this character to see him die, but what it does to the character, I think, greatly outweighs our need to want to be able to see Yondo again.

Yeah. Yeah, I think for me, I was just hoping he might shoot him out in a photon, too, when he lands on the planet that the Project Genesis thing goes up on and so that, you know, we can go back next movie and picking back up, you know. Right. He puts his soul in the rocket. He might wake up right next to Spock, man. He's dying, man.

Every movie that guy's in. But, yeah, I think Rocket's probably definitely my favorite character. And that scene in the woods when the Vavagers come, and you think he's in there just tooling away on his whatever, fixing the spaceship, and they're all trying to sneak up on him, and he's actually up there in the tree. He's waiting on him. That was awesome.

And he's having a fun time doing it. It's not like he's panicking and he's survival. He's loving what he's doing. And then the guys gang up on him and they're like, well, he's out of toys. And then he still whoops their ass. When he's hitting those things, they're just throwing him up in the air. And then the other one lands and throws him up in the air. And he's just laughing the whole time.

I'm glad they did more rocket in this one. That was good. Yeah, everybody got a really good amount of screen development, screen time. My absolute favorite scene in the movie, I think it's really, right on par with emotion with Mandis and Drax. And I absolutely love this. When

Ego tells Star Lord, he put the tumor in there. His reaction, he just pulls his guns. He just fucking blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just straight up reaction of who

this character is. Yeah, I... My absolute favorite scene. I totally agree with you because, you know, he had that really cool effect because he had like the galaxy in his eyes or whatever. And as soon as he said that, I put that tumor in your mother's head, there was no hesitation. He just pulled his guns out. And I think that that is the one area of the movie for me where I kind of agree with Lance. Whenever he started turning into basically his character

went from being Pete's dad to ego in my plans for the universe, that's what it started been a little bit less like Kurt Russell. And like I said, I don't know if that's just because of how it was written and how he kind of because I mean Kurt Russell's a great actor. To me, he can pretty much do you know wrong but there's just something about the vibe.

It didn't gel right. I don't really hand-handed to me. It seemed hand to me, guys. I don't really think he was playing a villain though. Because I took what he was doing was right. He was looking at it from I'm a conquer the universe thing. He was looking at it as a...

Right. Because him being a celestial, he's a being of basically like a god. He's looking at it like I'm trying to help everybody. Yeah, I mean, that's just how I get that. I totally get that. It just still just something about it didn't feel 100% right now. Did it attract enough for me, did I not enjoy it?

No. But that was just the one little hang up about it. That was just a little awkward, I guess, maybe a little bit. But I just went with it because of what it was. And I was able to get through it. not affect anything for me. But I do kind of understand where Lance was coming from a little bit on that. And for me, it was just, it was all Star Lord. It was all Peter Quill's response. And it was just about him of what he, what he instantly reacted to, about just blasting away until that guy

was basically nothing but a light being, you know, to what all came. It didn't really have anything to do with the Kurt Russell and what his character was going through. It's just, this is what I said, and this is how Peter Quill is going to react and it just shows that, again, back to his mother is the most important thing in his life. You saw it in the first movie. Immediate with no hesitation, you know?

No hesitation. It just drops out of that space eyes and boom, goes right into it. Yeah, just very, very powerful scene for me, for Star-Lord specifically. So for you guys, that was very important to his development as a character. Very important. Very important. Like I said, I just

found it to be, like I said, kind of over the top a little bit. I just thought that it was too much of a from, it was, it was too much of a turnaround for Kurt Russell's character. And like you guys said, and you're probably right, and I'm probably, you know, I'm seeing it the way that I see it. But to me, it happened too quickly. It was just too much of a bam, boom, okay, now all of a sudden he's a villain. Okay, cool. We got that out of the way. Now we can start fighting him. Yeah, but I mean, otherwise it would have been a four-hour movie, you know what I mean? What is it going to take to get Star-Lord to turn on his newfound dad?

Well, that's what it takes. Right there. And I saw the him killing his mom thing coming. I knew he was the one who killed his mom. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you saw him. You know, I knew that was there. That's the whole reason why she died was because of something he did to her.

I didn't know what it was, but I knew that that was probably the case. So, but that being said, you know, another thing we haven't really talked about is, and they didn't really, I mean, they're in the movie, but they're done really, I'm assuming we'll probably see more of in the third one. but the sovereign I like them yeah I thought they were kind of I mean I loved the old 80s

video game yeah for a race for a race of beings that are supposed to be I guess genetically perfect right they were kind of bumbling and yeah I think it just added to the comedy yeah

yeah they'd be perfect in their eyes you know they were so busy I'd say that much yeah And then they do tease the add-on of Adam Warlock finally, so I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah, which I heard we're not even going to get him until Guardians 3. Right.

Which is after. Which is kind of weird because in the comics, he was a big part of the whole Infinity War, so I was a little surprised that they weren't going to bring him in for Avengers. Yeah. Yeah. Another thing I liked, I like we got more in Nebula in this, more of a backstory. Oh, yeah. A lot more.

Or she actually was kind of, she was actually humanized in this one. Yeah. Yeah. So she wasn't just like a background character. Yeah, because you got the conversation where she's, you're finding out she's more machine than person. Yeah. And it was because Thanos used to make them fight. And every, every time she lost, she would get something added onto her.

Yeah. And you just, you know, and then basically she doesn't, she just wanted a sister. You know, she didn't want to fight all the time. Yeah. And then you, and then you get Gimore's response. Well, she didn't. didn't want to beat her every time. She just wanted to make sure she lived to see another day.

Right. I also like that scene, development in the movie. And also, in a way, develops Thanos a little bit because you see a little more insight into the type of person he is. Yeah, because he's doing this to his own daughter. Now, Gomer is not his actual daughter, correct? No, neither one of them are. Neither one of them. Okay, and they're not actual sisters to each other, right?

They're adoptive. because he basically went in and wiped out their entire race, and he kept one of them. Oh, okay. That's basically what it boils down to, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you really, and you kind of, you kind of, so you had really two, what you can call, I do like finger quotation, villains from the first movie, and you kind of bring them into the fold and to the team as, you know, now they're part of the heroes. You get that with Yon-Due and you get that with Nebulous, and you kind of have the same thing where, you know, they're deeper inside.

They're actually more than what you see on the surface. And, you know, they go about it in different ways. But it's somewhat, it's similar. And, you know, you get them to turn. And so that was good. I really liked it. You know, the whole thing was, you know, family, basically, whether it's father, mother, or sisters. But the whole thing of this was absolutely family.

Sounds like a Fast and Furious movie. Hey, I mean, you guys like the Belko experiment and the Sean Guns character, the Stoney? How did you guys like him in this movie? He was pretty good comedy relief, wasn't he? Because, you know, he was actually in this one a lot more than he was the first one. Oh, yeah, quite a bit. So you actually get a little bit of development on his character, too, and I thought he was great. What about Slice Stallone?

I could have done with that. I thought he was doing his best Judge Dredd or something, you know? Yeah, I mean, I was okay with it. And, you know, I don't know if you guys are, and I heard this on Nez's podcast. And because I remembered the group, but I read the comics, but it's been a while since I've read some of them, but that group that they form at the end was actually the original Guardians of the Galaxy.

Oh. That's when they were with Michelle Yo and Bing Rames and those characters. That was all the original. So that was something Nez had pointed out. And I was like, okay, I kind of remember that now, but it's been years and years

and years since I've read any of those things and I was only in and out on the Guardians of the Galaxy, but I do like reading, because I was a big Silver Surfer fan and stuff like that, and it all takes place kind of in the same side of the Marvel universe, right? Yeah, which from what I read, they're going to play into a bigger role in the next Guardians movie.

Okay. So that was kind of my question is, was that scene just kind of a nod to like, hey, this was the original, or is it going to be like some kind of maybe like a Netflix spinoff? Now here's this team and here's the Ravagers and here's what they do and all that. I'd watch that. Yeah, that's kind of what I wanted, too, is if, you know, they were going to, you know, we're going to see a movie with these guys in it or something or, you know, later down the road or something. But I don't know.

Sly is sly, and that can be able to be good and bad. And in this one, to me, it was more, he was just sly. I mean, it was a cameo. You know, I did a good job with it. I mean, it was fine. Yeah, since he didn't have a lot of screen time, I was fine with it. Okay, here's my biggest downfall of this one, even though. it was kind of funny is

the other ending credit scene with the with the teenage group I like that one cool man I really like that one but I'm going to miss baby group I wish I could just say that whatever

well we don't even know if we'll get teenage we might get a young adult group by the time the next one shows up teenage group I think yeah I think the teenage group might be a little played out if we did that yeah a little

You guys want to talk about the other credit scene where it basically confirms that Stan Lee is the same character. You watch too? Yeah. That's pretty cool. Actually, you know, I didn't get that the first time. I did not get that the first viewing.

And then in this, and this, I was a mailman. I was like, oh, okay. Now I got it on the second viewing. He's supposed to be Stan Lee in this movie? Yeah, he's a watch too. What? What are you talking about? Okay.

Yeah, every, every cameo, he's, the same person. Oh. Yeah. Oh. So there's a character in the Marvel universe called Oahu the Watcher. Okay. And he looks like all those other guys, the bald head with the blue.

Which is why he was hanging out with the Watcher. Okay. Right. So what, and all they do is in there, there's several of them all over the Marvel universe throughout space and all, you know, and they watch different species and planets. And that's all they do is observe and record what happens. And Stan Lee has been playing Uwatu, which.

Which is your Swatch. Holy shit. That makes sense. And there's, there is rumors that with, by the time we get Guardians 3, we might get not, maybe not Fantastic 4. Right. Oh, God forbid. Character, character, I would be totally fine if Marvel got them back.

Oh, that's true. Instead of doing a movie, just insert them. Right. And not to sound racist, but can we actually get a Sue Storm that's actually white? would be nice. You mean Johnny Storm. No, Sue Storm. And here's what I say that.

You're net picking, dude. Come on. Sue Storm is a white gal in the comics. And in every movie she's been everything but a white gal, which would be fine, except that they always try to paint makeup on them, a make her white. It's like, well, you know,

when she was Jessica Alba, they tried to make her look white. It's like, why don't you just make her Hispanic and be dumb of it? Right. You know. Jessica Al was hot, though. Yes. Right, but don't, so don't fade their face up and try to make it look white. You know, that was the only thing.

She's the next princess Leia for all I care. I don't care what race they are, but if you're going to cast them as a certain race, let them play that race. You know, don't try to white them up. So you're doing the opposite argument of all the whitewashing arguments about like all these non-Asians that are in all the Japanese animation movies and stuff. Right. Putting them in whiteface. right well that's what I'm saying exactly I mean you know if you're gonna

it's like if you look at her they she had so much makeup on in those movies it was ridiculous okay fair enough so it's like why bother you know but yeah I would love to see I would love to see a really good well done fantastic for a movie right or silver surfer

or any of those with the Marvel stamp on it but man I think they got to give up just cut your losses on that one yeah It doesn't seem like the Fantastic Four is capable of being translated to film. We've had too many fucking opportunities here. They haven't anybody do it right.

Why I want them to get the rights back is because by the time we get Guardians 3, it'll be going into a new phase of Marvel movies. This will be after Thanos. And they need a new villain or a new story. And I would like to see Galactus. That would be fantastic, absolutely. Who has the rights to Silver Surfer? Fox.

They did so many Fox. It's all part of the Fantastic Four. It's just like Fox has all the rights to the meat and stuff. Well, what about... What about Dr. Doom? That's Ex-Fentastime. That's Fox. Okay.

They got, I'd like to see Disney get a hold of all of Marvel. Right? Yeah, I personally, like I said, I've said that before that I'm ready for, Brian Singer to just give up on X-Men and let Marvel have it back. Yeah. Because my God, I'm just getting so sick of seeing my X-Men movies run. It hurts. And because I love them so much, I'll still go watch them.

So it's just like I'm just throwing up for the beating. Hey, it wasn't that long ago, though, that every superhero movie was like Howard the Duck, you know? I agree. I agree. We're in a new area here, so I'll give up. him that. I mean, you know, to this day. He did start it with the first X-Men, yeah. Good call. Yeah. To this day, I have

not watched Batman and Robin, and I will not watch it. You know, leave that one. Every time now I find a way to get away. That movie is hilarious. But I can't, I just can't bring myself to watch it. I can't do it. I'm with it, Patrick.

I'm going to put you on ice. Absolutely terrible. And, you know, and I love a good cheesy movies. I can watch all the Batman 66s and all that, and I'm fine with all that stuff. I can't do Batman and Robin. I just can't do it. That's okay.

You're not missing much. Well, any last thoughts, anybody? Something you really want to talk about or put into the conversation from this? Best opening scene ever. It was really awesome. It was really awesome. Yeah. Awesome.

Hey, what did you guys think about the stingers? I was disappointed. I didn't see a stinger for another movie. It was all just a continuation of these games. Except him for that with an Adam Warlock, right? Yeah, I was a little bit down. We didn't see more of a lead-in to Infinity War at all. Right.

No, nothing. You know, I thought maybe for sure we would see it. Even if it was, I thought maybe we might see a little something from Captain Marvel or, you know, anything, just some little something. We didn't get any of that. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with it. I always felt like, even though this is part of the cinematic. universe. It's its own thing

until we get to Avengers 3 which you guys got to agree when Avengers 3 happens. I'm going I'm going to fucking lose my mind seeing everybody in one movie. And I'm a little, you know, like you say, I know you said something like 70 people going to be in that movie.

I don't know. That worries me a little bit. Yeah. I have faith that they have faith that they've been doing it right so far but I still kind of wish they would have kept the two movie format instead of trying to crammer. all into one. Yeah.

But, you know, we'll see. They've done well so far, so. Yeah. I mean, I'll give them the benefit of doubt and let them do it. So, you know, and then, like you see, Brian, you talk about the timeline of this one being more 2014. So it makes a little sense that maybe we wouldn't have seen a lead up in a way because it takes place a little too soon for that, maybe.

Oh, yeah, good call. But, uh, so, so that helps me out a little bit with not seeing something. But other than that, I mean, I think it's a great kickoff to the summer movie Volapalooza that we're about to go through this year. So I think we're going for a really good ride. I think we'll get a tie-in in Thor, Ragnarok. Yeah, I'm sure we will. Which looks good, pretty.

I didn't really care for the first Thor, didn't see the second one, but this one I'm actually excited for. That looks good. I think I'll just close on two names at Rocket Rec got. It was hilarious. His trash panda. Oh, yeah. And triangle face monkey.

Yeah. And we can't, we can't forget taser face. Oh, God. Oh, that was awesome. That was a dumb running joke, but they made it work. See, that is a different kind of comedy between this and Howard the Doug. Yeah. They had great comedy in this movie.

Like I said, no doubt, the jokes in this one were great. And they were all running jokes. brought everything back now. James again's a good writer. All right, cool. So as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas.

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