The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #490: Ghoulies II (1987) & Critters 2: The Main Course (1988)

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Steve joins us to talk about a couple of little creature sequels. Cool of the week includes the magic of VHS, Scarecrow, Alice in Borderland, Bloody Bites, and GNX. Trailer is Send Help. The podcast spotlight shines on Midnight Mass Creature Cast. And we get feedback from Xim Vader, Bangla Zavaleta, Nicholas Cirilo, Dave Christopher, Sutherland Mark, Matthew Carter, Billy Trejo, James Russell, and Michael Arnaz. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Greetings, victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers. and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best and the worst in horror. Welcome back, everyone, to the horror returns.

Glad that you're here. Hope that you're either listening to us or watching us on YouTube. As we've got plans to expand our YouTube presence here, we'll talk about that afterwards. we got a few ideas, Philip. Seriously this time. In the meantime, in the meantime, we are here for your viewing or listening pleasure.

And I'm Lance. And with me as always, we have Brian and Philip and our, dude, our main fucking man, the artiste, the musician. The man every woman wants to be with and every man wants to be. It's Steve from the geeks. What's up, man? Wow. What an intro. I can't even follow that up.

crazy. All lies, but thank you. I'm glad to be here. You're like a podcast, Brad Pitt. If Brad Pitt looked like a weird mix of Sean Penn and some other people, you know? Hey, I heard Sean Penn's pretty rough in that new movie. I haven't seen it yet. He's getting older.

He looks so leathery now, right? Like it's like, yeah. You can see the, you feel the texture in his skin. He looks like he's been through hard times. Sure. Smoked a lot of cigarettes and direct sunlight. Yeah. Like, God, down. Yeah, like the old...

I don't look like that. Like the old actor, George Hamilton. You guys remember him? Oh, yeah. The Super Tan guy? Yeah. Yeah, they said when he dies, they should use his skin as luggage or something like that.

I mean, they could. It's just pure cancer. It's like, right? Yeah, it's probably like a Geiger counter. It's probably going off around. Oh, God. It's just like, oh, man.

Steve, you've put a lot of shit up finally, man. Like a bunch of episodes are going into my feed for the geeks. What are you all up to? It's Halloween time. What's going on? Yeah, so, you know, the 31 days starts in October for us. And I like how you guys do it because it's a, everybody does the 31 days gimmick.

And we're no different. But you guys is a little different. I like it because you always go through seven different movies each time. It's really cool. Because there was a couple of you guys talking about on your first episode that I'm like, I better write that damn because that sounds pretty sweet. But yeah, ours is just one review a day that's released. And this year we did the wrong turn series.

And I think all of those are out now, so I'm not spoiling anything. But we had a zero to hero rating system and we did not give one zero out to that whole series. I really like that series, dude. It's solid. Like they're not like summer. The summer spa one? when they were in the weird in the snow but it wasn't like really snowing you know like no that one the one after the summer vacation they might have they might have missed one

oh no no no because that's the one where like uh she like has no legs at the end and they're like getting down in that one weird tiled room remember is that the one where he's like part of it she has to like fuck her brother or something yeah something what are we talking about wrong turn what are we what are we talking about we gave some low sidekicks out don't give me wrong

they were all great but like each one of them had a redeeming quality like on one of them I was like this movie's terrible but they had this fondue scene it was great so I can imagine

some really creative stuff they did like in wrong turn five they had a severed hand fall down in front of the camera like this and then it said wrong turn over it it's like that's awesome it's original It's original.

And then I love the turn in the reboot or the remake or whatever and the new wrong turn. I just thought it was a great spin and different take on it. And I really like that movie. So it was a good series pretty much altogether. Nice. Nice. It's like Hannibal, which, you know, might not be the best movie, but you got that one scene

where Ray Leota is like talking while they're eating his brain. It's a great scene. While he's eating his own brain. Yes. Yeah, they're feeding him. he's all giggly, smiling, glassy eyes. You would be too, man. Red Dragon?

No, Hannibal. That was Hannibal. Whatever it was, yeah. Yeah. Red Dragon was Ed Norton. That's right. Oh, man. Hey, speaking of Hannibal, Brian, do we have an announcement to make regarding our Patreon exclusive maybe coming back?

Starting November, we are going to delve into season two of Hannibal from. our Patreon listeners. At last. At last. Awesome. I have not seen that show. Dude. Is it good?

I had it. I hadn't either until Brian and I covered the first season a couple of years ago now, I think. So we're finally getting caught up. And then what, season three and that's it, Brian? Is that correct? Season three. And then we'll join the rest of the people. wanting a season four.

All right. Sounds good. All right. Steve, cool of the week, man. What you got? Well, I haven't really watched a ton new. I've just lately been getting into, I've been watching a lot of old horror movies at night while I'm doing my little art projects, just some old classics and stuff,

all Friday the 13th, anything that's streaming. But I wanted to just really quickly touch on that monster, the Egg Gene stories. I watched all that. And I thought it was interesting. It's getting a lot of hate, but I never seen any of the other monster shows to base it off of. I didn't watch the Menendez one or the Dahmer one.

So for me, it was all right. I don't know what, what else. I don't know what mold they broke. They didn't break any mold for me. And personally, as someone who loves Mind Hunter, I don't know if you guys watch Mind Hunter on Netflix. Oh, yeah. Like, they straight up bring Mind Hunter back in that.

show. Like, the last episode Okay. Is them. They cast people that look exactly like them doing all their vans and all that shit interviewing. They did that on purpose then. Yes, and it is. Okay. Awesome. It was, a lot of people were shitting on that too online. They're like, they're digging me this instead of the real new season. I'm like, why are you bitching? This was a great, fun little thing. Like, if you never saw mine under, this would mean nothing to you. But the fact that you have means this is even cooler. So I don't know.

I thought it was a really fun thing. And I like Charlie Hunnam. So I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, I liked it because they were going, you know, you don't know what really happened. Nothing was proven or disproven 100%. And a lot of shit he was saying or thinking might not even be actually happening. Right.

Yeah, it bounced around a lot. And I just like the way that it cast different people. It cast what's his name? Alfred Hitchcock and Anthony Perkins and it cast Buffalo Bill. Yep, it cast... It was just really grossy and all that.

And to think about like, like watching people faint in the theater, watching Psycho and to think about now how I can watch Art the Clown cut a lady and a half and not even really flinched. I'm like, damn, they really, like, he really did change the world

because he desensitized the human race. Or at least Americans, because we're all eating this shit up now. So I just thought it was a good thing or a bad thing. I don't know, but the guy was a fucking genius. Only time we'll tell. And it led to the boundaries. Really great art. So, you know, I don't know.

It was an interesting weird take. So I just wanted to bring that up really quick. But the real cool of the week for me really is if you guys know the geeks at all, you know that one of my big passions is VHS stuff. And not only collecting VHS movies, old VHS movies, you know, but it, horror is really hard to do. Like, I came across needful things this week on VHS. Not a great movie, though, but it's horror. So we're going to get it and put it on the fucking shelf.

You know what I mean? But that led me to start doing other things because you just can't find certain movies you're looking for. But I found a workaround. I can, as long as I don't sell them. I can make my own VHS tapes. I essentially route my VCR through my laptop and I can just record whatever is streaming on whatever app right onto a tape

and then I have it on VHS. So I got a couple of movies that I had been missing out on like Monster Squad. Can't find that anywhere. It's an extremely rare VHS. And also the box design kind of sucks. I have my own, I have my own. I have my own Monster Squad tape now.

Right. Then I started like, what do I do? Well, I downloaded the template and now I'm designing all my own VHS covers. And then I actually went to a print shop and got the stock and I actually printed out my own VHS covers. And now I have my own complete VHS tapes like this one, Predator Killer of Killers, which is only on Hulu. But now I have it on the tape. Okay. That's cool.

So when is the Etsy? No shit. I know. And some of the new ones that I have, like I did the new Superman movie. I did that. I designed the cover for that. I did Pattinson's The Batman. I did the Watchman. All three Tron movies. All the Avengers movies from Marvel. And all those are going to be on VHS and their own little specially designed by me sleeves. And that I'll post all that later. But that's been kind of like my whole kind of focus the last few weeks. and then it got even deeper because I have a 3D printer and I can print out my own my own VHS tapes essentially I have to take the I have to take these old ones apart so you would take the old one apart there's some screws in the back you take the film out and you put it in the other one so I because like the VHS cover design I did for the Batman is all red I can actually go get red filament and make a red VHS tape to

how is that film in? That's cool. And it actually works. And it actually works. I printed out a white one. I don't know what, just because I only have a white filament right now. So just to test it and it works.

It's a lot of work. It takes hours and it's so much work for nothing. Like I can't. Yeah, for something that you're not allowed to sell. You know, but I start thinking like I can, if it is interested.

Well, not allowed to sell. I could always do, listen, I'm open for commissions. I'm always doing customs because there's certain movies I'm also doing that never came out on VHS that should have, right? Like, how about Star Wars Episode 3, Revenge of the Sith? Never came out on VHS. So for everyone collecting VHS, that fucking sucks. You have all the movies, but that one.

Well, now I have that one. How about stranger things? You said needful things. Seemed like stranger things would be perfect for that, right? Because of the Europe. That did get a VHS. I have the VHS DVD They beat us to the punch

Oh yeah that's right That's right Yeah But like Star Wars episode three Never came out of VHS So I put that one on Designed a case that looks just like the other two So it looks really gray on the shelf next one

Spider-Man 3 also never came out on VHS But the other two did So gotta make that one You know there's there's tons that I'm starting to get into now It's a lost art But it's really fun It's out now So that's it's it

That's the cool of the week. Cool the week is VHS. We're not going to beat that. We're not going to beat that, but Nez is going to give it a shot. What's up, Naz? No, hey, make me a rad VHS tape if you're going to make tapes. You need a rad one? Yeah.

I bet you I can do that. I can do that. You know, it's hard to come by as blank tapes, though. I'm finding them at thrift stores and stuff, but to order them online, it is. They used to be everywhere. Yeah. I know. They are until you're trying to look until you need them, you know.

yeah dead medium yeah what's you got for cool of the week niz nothing just getting over this cold my voice is my voice is slowly coming back that's cool the week getting over it yeah yeah true yeah man i helped brian i was sounding rough on some of those recordings i asked you if you wanted to do it another day you sounded better on the last one yeah i was getting there. But today I feel I still got a cough, but yeah, man, it did

bronchitis in my lungs, and that jacked me up. So, I mean, but bronchitis. I got sick for like two days, like really sick. And those are the days where I was just,

oh, I couldn't do nothing, would just lay there and try to do something. I tried to at least just take the trash out. Oh, man. Man, I was passed out in the driveway. Oh, man. Phillips took a lot out of me. Phillips over here laughing about it, man.

Ain't nobody got time for that. That took a lot out of me. But I watched a movie that I'm going to cover. Brian, you should watch it if you get a chance. It was called Scarecrow. It was on Tubey. Is that a new one? No, it's an old one.

Scarecrow. Gretchen Wiener. Yeah, Gretchen Wiener. from Mean Girls. Lacey, someone, someone's right yelling. Lacey Chabird or? Yeah, that one.

The one that was on Party 5. Yeah. It was a goofy movie. I mean, the CGI wasn't the greatest, but I liked what they were trying to do. It was a made-for-TV movie, so they only had a handful of stuff. But, I mean, when the gory parts kicked in,

I mean, they did a good job. I thought it was cool. I mean, the scarecrow, when you first see it, you kind of laugh at it because like, I've seen worse. I mean, watch War the World, the one on Prime with Ice Cube. But, no, it was actually all right. I enjoyed it. I thought it was a cool little movie they made. I only watched it because she was in it.

Yeah. Because when I open up my Roku thing, there's always a little ad. now it's October here you want to watch a scary movie watch this and I just saw a picture of her I said I'll watch this let me click on it so but yeah I sat through it it was pretty good I liked it it's on YouTube

if you don't want to sit through the ads but the quality of the video was in the greatest if you just don't care and don't want to sit through as and watch YouTube I mean if you watch it on your phone or maybe your iPad it probably looks decent but if you watch it on your TV it was real it was real grainy Kind of rough.

Yeah, but it was a cool movie I liked it. It was an old film, I think, 2015 or something like that. I can't remember. 2013. Oh, is that one it was? All right. Ancient history. It was a decent little movie.

I mean, I liked what they tried to do. I mean, they, she was the only person I knew in it. There was a bunch of nobodies, and everybody did their job. You can only get scared when nothing's there when they're just, I was screaming and they had the effects of the scarecrow. Right. It was cool. It was all right.

I haven't really watched anything really new. I haven't been to the theater in a while because just, yeah, been out of town, and then I got sick. And I was like, oh, so I went to a few concerts, and maybe I got sick from someone who, you never know. I went to three concerts when I started to feel it. I went up to Portland and saw Lincoln Park. I went to Sacramento for Aftershock Festival.

Then I went to San Francisco to see Hymn. And that's when it was starting to really, really hit me. I was like, oh. And I'm hoping I was coughing and hacking on my lungs on the drive. Hopefully Theo doesn't get sick, but he hasn't said anything. So far so good. Yeah, so I mean, yeah, but that movie Scarecrow. It was cool.

I mean, if you guys don't mind the ads and the goofiness of it, I thought it was a cool little movie. Check it out, Scarecrow on 2B and Fossum or whatever that channel is. Yeah, I always thought she was a cutie. She's old enough now to say that, right? Yeah, she's in a lot of Hallmark Christmas movies, Brian. That's how I knew that name. That's how he came in so quick.

quick draw with that one I'm like that was a lifetime actress Lance is on it well I'll jump in so I did watch

the Ed Gein thing yeah those mothers yeah well I haven't I don't think I actually finished it but I did like it

you don't know it's pretty good no I think I still have like another episode to go. I got sidetracked. But pretty good. The Charlie Hunnam accent is weird like it always

is. But it works. But it works. I think he kind of get used to it after a few episodes. At first, you're, I'm like, what the fuck is he doing? He's doing a Christopher Nolan villain thing, you know? All the villains and Christopher Nolan always have to do a fun

thing with your voice. But he's pulling it off. It's a good one. And it's a good story. It's not all entirely true, but enough of it is where it makes it definitely worth watching. I don't think you actually used the chainsaw, but it was. It looked good. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, my bad spoilers. Oh, that's right. I was supposed to hold on a chainsaw, so I figured. There you go. There you. It was coming in the place. It was in the trailer. only saw the first two episodes, but man, that first scene when we see him, that's how

you start a show. Yeah? Him doing what he was doing with a belt around his neck wearing his mom's underwear and everything. Jeez. Who doesn't, man? If you, if you're a fan of Aunt Jackie, you see a lot of her. Yeah.

Yeah. Sheldon's mom, man. She was no joke in this one. Yeah. Yeah, back from Rosandes. Billy Loomis' mother. Billy's mother. And I think my cool of the week is going to be Alice in Borderland season three.

Ah, okay. How is it? I've never seen it. All right. So it gets progressively not as good. The first season is pretty awesome. Okay. And then once they get into explaining things,

it's kind of like they did with Lost, you know, where it sort of loses. Yeah, gets convoluted. But it's still pretty cool. And I thought they wrapped it up after season two. But they brought out of season three and went back in. Okay. But they sort of,

they still wrap that up in a nice little story. So I like it. Oh, I think they did that with all three seasons. They wrapped it up in a nice little bow. and then they found a little thread to pull for the next season. Want me to go next? Sure. What's he got, Brian?

Let's see. What can I actually talk about that? We're not going to be reviewing. Me and my daughter finished the Halloween series. Well, we didn't watch the Rob Zombie movies because I didn't feel like... They don't exist. The rapiness of the movies I don't want to watch with my daughter. Yeah, they're little much.

Yeah, understandable. And not like good enough to justify them being that much. Yeah. She did enjoy the Halloween series, the original being her favorite. She did not like three, though. She couldn't get into three. Really? It's my probably maybe favorite, second favorite after one.

Reserrections with the Buster. Steve, I was getting to that. She said that is her guilty pleasure. Uh-oh. Because nothing in the movie makes sense. It is sense. Which one was three? Was that the one that had nothing to do with Michael Myers?

Yeah. Okay. So that was hell good. Yeah, so we watched that. We're on to the Nightmer on Elm Street series. We are on number four. She's enjoying those so far. Well, you hit the high point of three as far as I was concerned.

Yeah, and went downhill after three. I mean, they're still fun, but yeah. I know I still like him. I got love for Lisa Wilcox. She gave us a sound bite, too. But six. Yeah. Oh, man.

Oh, we'll get there. Freddy's dead. It's rough, bro. Now you're playing with power. Oh, I remember. I love that. I love that. I don't know.

When was the last time you watched Freddy's dead. In the movie theater. No, when we covered it with Tim. Yeah. Way back. My cool little week will be, it's a series on Screenbox. I think it's on 2B also. I do love my horror.

shorts and it's called Bloody Bites. Bloody Mites. Each episode is a collection of horror shorts. Okay. Some ranging from two minutes to five minutes. There was a couple episodes where the whole episode was one horror short. Okay. Like 20 minutes or like 20 minutes?

20, 30 minutes. Okay. And each episode, you don't know if you're going to give one horror short or three. That's cool. It varies. Nice. All right. Yeah, just depends on...

Everything else, you know. What? No, it depends on what it takes to tell the story then. Yeah. Everything else I've watched, you're going to have to wait for the review. Okay. Man, I had the fucking weekend from hell, boys. I had the week in from hell.

My brother is a huge Chiefs fan, so we didn't do it like. last year, thank God, but he always has these elaborate plans for us to go to all the way to Kansas City to see a game, right? So I was, JJ and I were going to be flying. My other daughter and grandson were going to fly from San Antonio, and my brother is going to drive his truck up there, so we can tailgate, right? So it's Saturday morning. He left at 4 a.m. get a phone call. He fucking rolled his truck coming into Oklahoma.

so he's out right thank God they're okay nobody was hurt bumps and bruises that's it so it's a blessing but he's gonna be looking for a new pickup I guess so so yeah my daughter and I were like do we still do this do we cancel let's still do it so AJ and I get up to the airport um shout out here or what what's the opposite of a shout out Brian I don't know a big old fuck you How about a big little fuck you to Spirit Airlines? God damn it. Oh, well, that's not. You've got me some, yeah, you've got me some cheap flights before.

Yes, you've had some delays. Yes, things like that. But these motherfuckers did a gate change and did not inform us. I didn't get a text. I didn't get an email. AJ and I were sitting at the wrong gate. Once we realized that it's been moved, we run down there, missed the fucking plain gate closing by 10 minutes. So $670 later and $309 later for a hotel, we get there on Frontier Airlines.

So, okay, cool. We check out the game, hanging out with family, had a great time. Monday comes around. I'm like, huh, let me check in for my return flight because I bought a round trip to Spirit. Your flight has been canceled. What? What? They fucking, because we didn't go on the flight there, they sold our tickets.

somebody else. Oh, man. We had to get, I was going to go Greyhound. I told AJ, I'm just going to take the bus and save money. It takes me a day to get there and I'll give a shit. You fly. She's like, I'm not going to fly alone. $1,470 later, we got a flight back on Southwest.

Man. That's why you messed up. You should have went there first. Yeah. Thank you, Naz. Thank you. I've learned my lesson. Thank you, sir.

May I have another. but oh man so as far as cool as cool of the week it's going to have to be gnx that album got me through the fucking ordeal i would i would put that on every time that i started to get panicked and frustrated and angry i uh i put on gnx kendrick lamar's newest album that motherfucker that dude has got the best lyrics he could go from he can go from funk to jazz he can go to classical there's just the different tempo changes in this guy's music. He's brilliant. That album was beautiful for me.

It got me through the return flight, and that's about it. So that's the cool of the week. Kendra Lamar. Oh, dude, he is good, man. He is good. If you dive into some of it, and all of his albums are concept albums.

So if you listen to all the songs, there's a story every single time. I know he's a critic, darling. I've never really got it. into him. Yeah, I didn't really either until I listened to Pimp a Butterfly. I don't know about four years ago. Like he's got a weird, a weird melody or something. I don't know. He's, yes, yes. He does, yeah, he, he's not, uh, he does not follow any formula. It's like totally freestyle. And I love progressive rock, you know, where they do a lot of tempo changes. That makes

sense. Yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's the real, it's the real deal, guys. It's the real deal. So it helped me survive. And now we're moving on to news. It's horror headlines. Brought to you by Brian. Take it away, man. We've got a lot of TV news this week.

First up, Millie Bobby Brown is going to star in a new supernatural series for Netflix. Of course. Excuse me. Called Prism. Prism. It is going to be produced by her and also the Russo brothers. Okay. Hmm, all right.

Well, you know what? Go with a winner. That, like, dragon thing that she did. Yeah, that was good, Danzel. Oh, that's right, damsel. Yeah. That was early in the year. I was growing up.

I'm one of the few people that liked Electric State. I thought that was a great little movie. I still haven't actually watched it. I like to. I don't know. I have three hours. Oh, yeah, it is long. It is long.

I thought it was good. I just keep hearing that it's awful. I have a lot of fun with it. I wasn't a huge fan. I get it. Yeah, I totally understand. Chris Pratt was like one of the host of the geeks living out there in the fucking desert with all the Nintendo shit and all that. It was awesome.

Did it need to be like $3,400 million or whatever? No, probably not. But I mean, I don't give a fuck. They spent it not me. So I'm still going to watch it. You know, I can't whatever. You know, they lost their ass on it. That's why the Russo's are back at Marvel and we're on to other things.

Yeah. Speaking of losing their ass, did anybody see Tron Aries? No. I heard that underperform worse than Morbius. It said it was Jared Littow's worst opening. Oh, no. Is it that bad? Who the fuck gives the shit about a Tron sequel 20 years later, man?

What are we doing? I mean, I liked Legacy. I know Legacy was good. Again, it's long kind of boring, but again, for me, the soundtrack and the special effects really got me through that one. It was awesome to see the light cycles. If anyone went to see the Lotto movie,

it was Nez, right? I didn't see it yet. I was sick. Okay. I thought you would have dragged yourself there for Jared, man. Come on. I want to see it at IMAX. I don't want to see it in my little rinkie-dink, One Horsetown Theater.

Theo saw it. He said it was okay. He wasn't Brandon Raven. Yeah, that's what I've heard It, the story is fine Special effects, great They spend a lot of money on it But the story's fine

And everyone was also saying That the 9-inch nail soundtrack is great too So I can't wait to listen to that I've heard that Nine's nail sucks I don't know why everyone likes Uh-oh Because they're awesome

Hater 10 out of 10 Well I saw them before they blew up That's when they were good Once they got big I tuned out Ah sold out No, understand.

I like their contributions to the movie The Fan with Robert De Niro and... Not the fanatic, huh? Not the fanatic. No, the good one. Okay. Damn shame, what happened to Benicio? I am number 11.

Not anymore. That's true. Let's see. Showtime's Yellow Jackets will officially end with its fourth and final season. Good. The last season was boring. Really?

Maybe they'll tie it all up. I don't think I watched I don't think I watched the last season Really? Yeah I tapped out about an episode or two End of the second season Yeah

We just weren't out there for that long And I just keep going And I'm like how long were they out there I don't know that I finished the second season Like lost a little bit Yeah Like it started out really promising Lansing

At the end of lost Why the time didn't make sense there Not so much yet in yellow jackets, huh? No. Let's see. Last week we talked about there's going to be Creep 3. That'll tie up to the franchise. Before we get Creep 3, we'll get season 3 of the creep tapes.

Okay. Many people love it. I can dig it. I haven't watched at all. but I like the guy and he seems to be doing a pretty good job It's going to be a lot of cameos in a new season Yeah I know what's his name

I always fuck up his last name David Dalsmaltz Man Oh God the poke's up man Yeah he's going to be an episode Okay Yeah That's fucking weird man Yeah hey did you Hey did you guys ever catch up on Peacemaker

I've seen No I was talking about out okay i just heard the finale sucks uh-huh oh no i watched the first couple of episodes who who where are you at lanc are you caught up you finish i'm at the part where they turned the american flag around on the desktop and oh yeah yeah it's it's good it was you know the nerds had had dissected that uh quite a while before that it happened but it was still really a funny reveal i don't know the, everyone's so mad about everything now.

Like, it sucks. It was the worst thing. I'm just like, ah. Yeah. Just go with it, man. Like, it's, they're watching or don't watch it, right? You remember what we used to have?

It's better than, like, Nick Cage's ghost rider. Like, come on, man. You've come so far. That's true. Like, we're all bitching about, like, like. Right. We need to be more of a tape. Our new ghost writer.

Of course, but not, like, you know, where he's, like, eating jelly beans and acting like, fool in front of Mendes. I mean, I'd act a fool in front of Rosa Mendes, but that's a different story. He was like, he was like, yes, in the middle of the road. Oh, gosh. Yeah. He's laughing at the chimps on TV and pointing at the screen.

It's like the worst act. It's, we've come so far for comic book entertainment. Yeah, I love Nick Cage, but maybe he wasn't the best choice for that. Yeah. You guys remember the Captain America TV show where he was riding a motorcycle around? Yeah. Blackie-glass shield. Yes.

Remember the one after that where the Masky War had fake ears on it? Yeah. The 1990 movie. And the Italian, the Italian Red Skull. Yeah. Comic book movies were not great for a long time. remember Batman and Robin? We've come a long way.

Yes. M. Knight Shaman is teaming with Mattel for Supernatural TV series based on the Magic 8 ball. Why not? He couldn't fall any further. Why not, Ness? M. Knight Shaman.

So that's going to have a twist ending where the 8th ball says something different? Well, there is a bright spot. But I don't think he's writing it. Okay, let me guess. One of his daughters. No, it's co-created by Brad Falkchuk, who is from American Horror Story. Huh.

Okay. So. Well, I can't count the guy out yet. I mean, can't, can you though? we're getting close to it. Nez, you like the lady in the water. Not Nez. You like the lady

in the water. I did. I did. I love Paul Giamati. I love the fantasy aspect of it. The wolf design was awesome. I enjoyed that dude that only worked out one of his arms. I liked all that cookie shit. So bizarre, right? I mean,

he's very inconsistent. Like, he'll put out something that people like and then he'll put out something that people don't. like and not a lot of people like trap so maybe this is the thing he puts out that people like maybe you never know right i mean you guys didn't like trap poo poo in it i hate a trap i like i like josh i think if you take josh carton and put him in a different movie from a different director yeah yeah there's some there's some you know moments of that don't make any sense right like the vendor guy that gives all the details the fact that he just sure

how it gets out of the limousine. You know, there things are... The bicycle. Yeah, of course. But, I don't know. I still... I just like stuff. All right.

So who... I don't know. Who played... I feel like it was a little sillier than it should have been. Was it? Who plays the better psychopath, him or Jai Courtney, though?

Oh, Josh Hartman. Come on. Josh, you can't put Jai Courtney in the same... Josh. I don't know. the baby shark song before feeding someone to a shark. Pretty awesome. I didn't see that movie.

You got to. You got to. I fell asleep. I need to finish it. Uh-oh. Well, I was sick, so I was just laying there trying to watch something. Yeah. Guy Courtney is in like the same league with like, uh, what's his San Worthington? Yeah. I know. I know. He's like alternate version of San Worthing. What's the other guy? The John Carter and Mars.

guy? Yeah, he's in there. The battleship guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That guy. That guy. That's a fucking guy. Yeah. Everybody's yelling at us, but we can't even see his face.

I'm always yelling. When I'm listening, I'm always yelling at you guys. Now people are yelling at you. I know. Taylor Kitch. There you go. There you go. Kitch.

Oh, he, you know, he wasn't bad in the, In the new, like there's a... The spin-off from the Terminal? Oh, the Western. Yes, the spin-off from the Terminal. Oh, okay. Yeah. So it's like a new terminal list,

and he's like the lead in that season. Chris Pratt still shows up, but just for like a couple episodes. And so it's mostly a Taylor Kitch thing. It's all right. The real gambit? The real gambit? The real gambit?

The real gambit. The real gambit. It was Gambit and Wolverine. The X-Men origins Wolverine. Was he Gambit? Yeah. That's the real gambit. I don't know that.

That's pretty boy, Josh, whatever nuts is. He's trash. Janning Tatum. I like Channing Tatum is. Trash. Magic Mike and whatever the hell his name is. He was so funny. He was like, he was talking about how, like, nobody ever knew him because he this movie never got made.

That was really good My name of Jeff Yeah All right Sigourney Weaver has revealed That she is in talks with Disney For a possible return As Ellen Ripley

Which one The clone one? I don't know I haven't talked to Sigourney in a while What's your pitch? Nez, I know that you liked Alien 3 but my pitch is you just put this right as a sequel to Alien 2. Michael Bean is still alive and well.

You bring his ass back. No, they're all dead. Everyone's dead. No, I disagree. What was his name that guy that did District 9? He was going to do an alien movie. It was like a sequel to Alien 2. It looked awesome.

All the concept art. Yeah? The fuck. Somebody's yelling. Here we go again. Here we go again. Neil Blon Camp. There he is.

Boom. She's also revealed she's read an extraordinary script draft by Walter Hill. Mm-hmm. You guys know Walter Hill, right? Sure. No.

Yeah. He was one of the producers from the original film, and then he directed 48 hours, the two 48 hours movies. He directed Geronimo and the warrior.

What was that one? What's that one in the swamp? Oh, Southern Comfort? Yeah. Yeah. The one with Powers Booth? Yeah. So Cornie Weaver.

Some good old stuff. Pretty old now, though. Yeah. You know. She sort of seems like to play the Grandmother. The villain, the old lady villain. Sure.

Yeah, I've seen too much of her do that recently. Cabinet Woods. She pops up that you didn't even know she's in it. She's in it for like two minutes. Two seconds, yeah. I mean, she still commands the scream. That's why she is in the MCU. Well, not yet.

Might be a weird one with aliens. I don't know. All right. The defenders back. I'm ready. Yeah. Why not? Just don't bring what's his name back.

Iron fist. Uh-oh, another one. What's his name? Brian, what's his name? Is it Finn Jones? Iron fist. Iron fist. I don't remember that guy's name.

Oh, okay. Finn Jones. Okay. All right. All right. This one's for you, Lance. Zazi Beats is set to star in an upcoming horror movie.

They will kill you. Okay. I'm interested. She had a great werewolf episode of, uh, what was that? Was it black mirror?

Yeah. Sweet. She's a doctor. Megan Fox joins the cast of Five Nights as Freddy. She will voice the toy chika. Alliance after subservience. She can do whatever you do. Yeah, but my question is, who's got more plastic in them?

Her are the Freddy's characters, you know? Well, if she's just playing the voice, that's a little different. I guess. This one makes you angry, huh, Lance? I don't know. She just had a lovely play. We need the Jennifer's body, too. That's what we need.

Oh, it's happening. Get those huge lips. It's called mostly Jennifer's body. Right? Those big throbes. Yes. And finally, I didn't know this was happening until a couple of days ago. There is going to be a sequel of the curse of Lila Rona called the Revenge of Lila Rona.

Is it a parody? Like, are the Wayan brothers involved or what? Nope. Produced by Phil's favorite producer, James Wan. Oh, God. Wait, is it that one? Is that the James Wan produced one that they're doing a sequel? Yeah.

I guess. And they're bringing back Tuka Salamaka. All right. Nobody gives you shit. Like I said, I didn't even know. I didn't even know this was a thing until I read the story. And apparently they're already filming it. Wow.

I never even saw the first one after your guys' glowing review. So I was like, I don't get that. I re-watched it. It's definitely not that bad. It's not good, but it's better than the Nunn movies. Yeah. Well, I wanted it to be good. Because I like the first Nunn.

That second one was rough, though. I don't say this a lot, but those movies are shit. Yeah. For some reason, for some reason, that first one, I thought it was okay. But that second one, no, even I was like, oh, man, this is a tad. What I hated about the second one is just them going to different locations just to find out they need to go back to where they started. Yeah. And it's essentially the same, almost the same movie, Beat for Beat, as the first one.

Right. Yeah. It's really crazy. There's only three good movies in the Cardrean universe. The first two Goddrain movies and the second Annabelle. Yeah, I can buy that. That's, that's, uh, I'm, I'm with you, man. Hard to argue.

I'm in a minority that I like the skeleton key one. I know, shoot me for. Yeah. You know why? Because I like specs in, uh, in Tucker. And more of them was driving around in the Scooby-D van. Yep. I was like, I could use a whole series of film.

That was the insidious ones though. Oh, was that insidious? Yeah. I get them all confused. I know. They're all, they understand the way out of the same time. Lynn Shea was in, Crities, that's all in the...

Understandably. They're all produced by James Juan. Yes. And fucking Patrick Wilson. And fucking Patrick Wilson. Oh, yeah, and Patrick Wilson. We'll leave off of this for the final news. He's producing a Lost Boy is musical.

No. No. I don't know if he's actually singing. Of course he is. He would never do something like this without wanting to sing. And apparently they released the first single. to the musical featuring slash from Guns and Roeses. Oh my God, I am so in.

Where can I see this? Do we have to go to Broadway or they get a movie? Oh, you're the musical guy. I thought you'd already have us on a calendar. I will now. Now that you see, this is why we do, Brian brings us the news. We learn new things, boys and girls.

I still haven't even seen Wicked. I'm worried, I can't do it. No. You haven't seen it either. Part two's coming out. You better catch up. Tick, tick, It's pre-ordered, huh, Lance?

Don't care. You know the book it's based on. It wasn't missing anything. All right, that is the news. Okay. All right, so it's time to go down to the trailer park. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird.

What's our first new trailer tonight, man? Our first and only trailer is a survival thriller from director Sam Ramie, not producing. actually directing. Nice. Okay. It is Send Help starring Dylan O'Brien, Rachel McAdams. And I will throw it to Steve first. I thought the trailer was, I think, I felt like it went, it showed a little too much, like how far the two of them would go.

Because it almost looked like it might be, it could be a romantic comedy at first, you know? Who knows, you know? The tables have turned and now he's got to rely on her, but then obviously this takes a dark twist. But no, I think it looks good. I like any kind of survival in the jungle or in the forest or mountain, anything like that. I'm into those stories and those movies.

So I'll be here and check this for sure. Bill? Yeah, I mean, Sam Raby and Rachel McAdams, tough to go wrong with that combination. I think it looks like it's pretty good. we'll see how it goes all right niz i'm watching it

so kick off Lance i got serious lord of the flies vibes right so you know mankind returns back to savagery right when you're in a situation like that

but i love the setup like where they're showing what a fucking douchebag this guy was right and then they're on the island and he's thinking oh i'm just going to keep this same dynamic i'm just going to you know continue to be the the man the boss and he didn't work out that way for him had a little injury there and stuff like that and he has to rely on her so this should be a lot of fun i see this as having some humorous beats to it i think ramy's going to throw a little a little rom-com stuff

in there so to speak there steve i wouldn't be surprised so i'm sure we'll have a giggle or two in here. Have you seen the triangle of sadness that was on? Yes, that was very, very depressing. It's giving me a lot of that hotby, right? The cleaning lady that suddenly was like, who's the captain? Yes, like who's the captain? Like, I'm the one that knows how to do all this shit. All you rich people don't know nothing. So I was on the boat, I was a cleaning lady, but out here, who am I? Yeah, it's kind of like what, what would happen if the society broke down or if we had a nuclear war or something, right? Yeah. Yeah, that triangle of sadness, dude, that was, you remember the, the puking scene?

That's a gross Very gross Yeah People are gross All right Is that the mayor In her kid Yeah

Yeah Dylan O'Brien Cool And Regina George For mean girls Yeah Yeah Yeah

Looks all right I mean I'll check it out It kind of reminds me Of the blue lagoon But Okay Oh Okay

We may get a titty scene No Not for Rachel Probably not Yeah, she's too classy for that. So she goes crazy. She's going to go crazy and chase this kid. That's what I'm getting.

Yeah, look that way, didn't it? It's a good thing he's got all that experience running and all those Maze Runner movies. True. I'm like, man, you can't kill her. Right? I think in the trailer he's injured to the point where he can't walk. Yeah.

There's plenty of rocks when she gets closer. And in a way, it kind of gives me like a little bit of like tropical misery vibes. Like not so much that like Amy Lucas is like the, she's not a fan of his, but she probably isn't going to be helping him get any better if he's being shitty, you know. Okay. Yeah, makes sense. So we got misery. We got Lord of the Flies, Regina George, Maze Runner.

It's all here. And the Blue Lagoon. Sam Ramey, though. Yeah. Good, right? Maybe. Usually. No, I mean, any time you put

some big horror director's name and it doesn't mean it's good. True. We've learned that with James Juan. So, I'm just like. Aquaman. Hey, that first one was good. Yeah, that first one was good. That second one.

Okay, sure. I'm 20 minutes into the second one and I can't give that movie any more of my time. I don't think I can't watch the second one. You never subjected yourself to it. No. Let's see. The last thing he's done involving horror

was the 50 states of Fright anthology series and Ash versus Evil Dead. Okay. Ash versus Evil Dead was fantastic. I guess he directed what a couple of episodes of that, Brian, probably. Yeah. And the last movie he directed was Dr. Strange in the multiverse of madness.

Which you guys didn't like, but I did because I like the special effects. It was middle ground. Yeah. It was right. You got to give it a sidekick. I've liked, that's a good, that's a good rating. It's better than a zero. It's true.

I liked Dylan O'Brien, though. Like, I liked American Assassin. I liked him in that Lovin, Loving Monsters. Was it Loving Monster? Yeah. That girl that was young Mara. I'm Asoka, young everybody. Yep.

I like that one. And he's always been like my fan pick for, like, if they cast Nightwing in the DC universe, I'd like it to be. Interesting. He was good in that one movie that, what was it, Lance? We said it was more Shaman than Shaman did in his last movie. Oh, or he's like going through different times? Yeah. I saw that one too.

Something like. It's about a lake This is the Hado lake Wow There is so much yelling I was so close Listen

Okay Hi I'm always high That's not my fault That's no excuse dude A lot of geniuses do Their best thinking When they're high man

I'm remembering most of the stuff What's your excuse Okay I'm too sober All right Send help hits theaters January 30th All right.

Oh, so it's right out the gate. Then we'll forget about it. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe not. Could be that sleeper hit of the year. Could be. We'll find out.

It could be firmly in the bottom list for the rest of the year. I don't think so. I guess we'll find out. It could be rings or, what was that, something man, or. Bye, bye, bye, man. Yeah, that one. Oh, God, yeah. Oh, God.

All right, let's move on to some listener feedback. This week we're going to shine the podcast spotlight on Midnight Masked Creaturecast. Midnight Masked Creature Cast begins as a, or began as a 4A into 80s and 90s creature features and has since morphed into a lighthearted, free-form look into genre films. Oh, cool. Midnight Masked Creature Cast. That's a good name. I like it.

I like it. Yeah. And in regards to the creep tapes, Zim Vader says nothing eerie about the TV series. It's kind of cool and a bit of fun, but the eeriness comes in the form of the first film, not knowing what's going on with this guy and what creates the anxiety and the tension.

The TV series has none of that. Fun to watch if you have nothing better to do, but without the tension of the mystery of the first film, there's nothing more than licking things. puddles when you need a glass of water. Okay. I kind of agree, man. Yeah.

I only made it like two or three episodes in and I said, man, this is just the same thing over and over again to me. Yeah. People love it. So, you know, I'm not just, yeah, it's not bad, but it's not like, oh, man, I really got to watch the next episode because I know what's going to happen. It's not like breaking bad, right? Waiting for the next episode.

In regards to the fog Bangla Zavaletta says A very good movie I saw it when I was 16 and I don't get tired of watching it Which one? Yeah, exactly. The one with Superman? You're not talking about the Tom Willing one. You're not talking about Tom Wellington. Not good. That's a nice callback.

You got to be the OG Naz. She's going to be talking about the OG, you know? yeah uh in regards in regards to last week anthology episodes invader says great episode thank you thank you sorry I missed

did you check out VHS Halloween yeah pretty good I liked it I like all this stuff man I didn't see you on the show I was kind of you're flying so low on the defense yeah

well I yeah there was there was some shit in But there always is. There always is, yeah. It always is. Yeah. Sure. You had to grade it on a curve, man. The highest one, not the lowest.

Bud size. That's that soda thing. I was like, what are we doing? In regards to Lauren Levera, Nicholas Cirillo, says, such an absolute sweetheart of an actress. and I had the pleasure to meet her at a Monster Maniaccon in New Jersey last week.

She was such an incredible person to talk to. Lauren Lavera. What is she for? Lucky. Terrifier 2. Terrifier 2. Oh, that girl. Okay.

She is Siena. Cool, cool. See, I got that name. Yeah, we don't have to meet some of them, right, Brian. Yeah, that far right up for Brian. The final girl in Terrifier 2. She's a hottie. The one that was wearing the wings or whatever

Yeah Yeah Oh I saw her at Texas Frimer She's a cutie You didn't tell her I said hi That line was hell along All of them I'll bet

Yeah I'll bet A little nerdy boy And uh The little nerdy boy Little punk people Is his uh His Instapage It's called Little Punk People

Someone else was next to them It wasn't It wasn't art Whatever that guy's name it Damian Leon the director. It might have been. It might have been him. Speaking of that,

let's hook it up. Yeah. Don't forget. In regards to Pulgeist, David Christopher says, my first horror movie,

scary watching it, five. Which one? Not the Sam Rockwell one. Probably. Yeah, I think this was the Sam Rockwell one. Oh, really?

Wow. Way to dare. It was, it was when we were talking about as the younger fans. Yeah, we did say that. Well, a couple days to go to East Society. Brian and I are going to talk about

the remake for both the guys. And I love Sam Rockwell so much. I know. Just not that role. He's collecting that check. Yeah. All right. In regards to Halloween ends, Sutherland Mark says,

not worth the watch, but that's just me. I still think it's not a bad movie. It's just a bad Halloween finale. Yeah. There's some good... Lance, I don't think you really watched it. I hated it.

And people get mad over Halloween finale. What did you want out of it? Nobody ever says what they wanted out of their finale. I didn't want that little fucking protege of his. That's for goddamn sure. He wasn't his protege. That was

He got killed. Yeah, but I didn't want him in the movie at all. Me either, man. I didn't be in the movie at all. Michael Myers. This is my question. This is my question. What did you guys want?

Just Michael Myers and Laurie. Fighting it out at the end with no protege or any of that horse shit. You got that. I don't even remember. By the time they fought. I don't even remember that one. The best one was the second one. I'm trying to remember.

I'll I'll rewatch it, I'm sure, because Brian was the best one. Yeah, the second one where, like, the whole town got him, and they were, like, driving them around in the car, right? Yeah, that one was elegant. Yeah. I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm sure.

I'm sure we're going to get a new. I'm sure we're going to get a new patron here in a week named Ben Splitzer. He's going to make us watch all three Halloween movies, the new Halloween movies and do it. commentary or something. I don't care what the fuck you say, Lance. You gave good scores to the first two, and then you turned around and said, oh, those movies were horrible. Nah, the first one was fun. I think I gave heroes.

The second one was a blast. The kills were great. And the second one's story wasn't so great, but the kills were great. That first one was awesome. I saw that one in the theater. It was the worst theater experiences of my life. Was it? Somebody smoked a cigarette in the theater, Lance?

are you kidding that's all I was going to say if they were not fucking people that worked there anymore Jesus Christ they just let everybody get away with whatever they want I remember mine

we had an entire me and my daughter had an entire row of teenagers that were texting each other back and forth and the little flash was going off and they kept getting up

running to the bathroom like oh we're going to get scared let's get out of here oh my god ouch all right In regards to Goolies too,

Matthew Carter says this movie is still quoted by me in my everyday life. I would like to know what quotes. Maybe we'll find out. You've got to be the little guy. He's got some quotes. Oh, Phil?

Yeah. I think we still got a sound bite from him. If I remember, I'll play it before the show. In regards to, Jason takes Manhattan. Billy Trejo says Kane Hodder was the best Jason Fax

Fax Fax, yeah I don't know about that Okay It was good Yeah Nez came out to fight tonight What's his name was my favorite

Ted White rest in peace From a final chapter He was hell of good I liked him in that one Was he? he good or was the movie good? No, he was good as Jason. I mean, he just, he just went and he did it.

Okay. But this, this was before the zombie Jason. So. Right, right. But as the first, well, it's actually the third film with Jason in it when he was the killer. I mean, I thought he did a good job. Nothing against what Richard Brooker did in the third one. That was amazing.

He did introduce us to the hockey mask. But I thought Jason from the final chapter, what Ted White did was awesome. And I liked what they did with his character before. I mean, what's his name? He was awesome, too, and six. I know that's everyone's favorite. That's like one of my least favorite films. I love the movie.

Don't get me wrong. Jason Lewis, but I don't have as much love for it as pretty much the most of the world. It's a good movie. I loved it. I saw it in the theater when it first came out. but I mean I met him whatever his name is awesome guy

hella cool right um Kane Otter yeah awesome guy met him a few times I thought what he did in all the

all the movies he was in I mean well he was barely in the weakest one uh Jason goes to hell yes the one you always dis uh

so we gotta we gotta get that director on this yeah we were right but he I gave it to him, man. That director was a cool motherfucker. And he took it.

He took it. Yes, man. He sat there and said, come on, give it to me. Let me have it. And I did. But I did leave the table. That guy was fucking awesome. But I still hate the movie.

But yeah, Kane Hodder, man, he was awesome. My favorite Kane Hodder one is Jason X. Hell, yeah. I was going to say. Jason in space, huh? Yeah, that was awesome. I do. Sleeping bags up against the tree.

This cryogenic frozen head was one of the best kills in the whole series. I do love Jason taking Manhattan. I mean, I thought it was, it's this goofy, cheesy, just a fun movie. And you just got to take it for what it is. I was just happy we're getting all these Friday the 13th every year. So I was eating it all up and I loved it. But, I mean, I remember seeing it that night at the day. the night it came out and I left the theater like,

well, that was different. But I went back the next day and saw it again. And I actually love that film. Shout out to my son Kyle. That's one of his favorite ones. He loves Part 8. And I think in his honor, I did buy one of those, Jason Occamask, the one he had from Part 8.

I have one of those hanging in the studio. But his favorite was four, the final chapter. And I think he did. just loved to hate because I don't know how goofy it was, especially when he punched Julius's head off. They were fighting on top of that. Well, you're the expert, Naz, when it comes to Friday, so we're definitely listening. I mean, again, I love them all.

It's just, I can't get behind what they did with Freddie versus, not Freddy versus Jason. No, Jason goes to hell. I just, I didn't agree with it. They just took my hero and was killing my childhood with that movie. And I did tell that to that dude, too. And he was like, man, it's all right, man. You ain't the first one that told this to me. So I'll give him credit, man.

That was a cool motherfucker if you guys ever get to meet him. But, yeah. Anyway, how did we get to Friday 13th? Feedback. Now we're going to move on to some more Halloween stuff. We got our Halloween resurrection. James Russell says, stupid. it never should have been made.

The movie is hilarious. Busts the lines? In the wrong ways. Tower Banks. Come on, Mikey. I'm pretty sure Michael Myers gets karate kicked in that movie. You can't beat that shit. Yeah, that's true.

I thought he's got a young. Got a young Katie sack off. You got the... Starbuck. Oh, I forgot about that. You got a bunch of... a bunch of, oh, I've seen them in teen movies in the 90s, 2000s people. Like Chad Michael Murray type territory or what?

Okay. Some of them guys. And we got Halloween H2O. And Michael Arnais says, what a classic. There's your classic for Arnaz. We got one in, Brian. Yeah. Did we do that one, Brian?

Yeah, we did it last year. Okay, all right. I can't remember. we got to pick a Halloween movie that's right maybe maybe

Halloween ends or did we do resurrection at some point I don't know we need we need a separate

spreadsheet for the one they blend together if you can't remember it has to rule with the geeks if we can't remember

doing it you may as well do it again we've done that more than once here haven't we Brian yeah

and then when we do it somebody mentioned. It's like, did you guys do that before? Yes, they always mention it. Usually, Al. My wife says that every week. We're old.

We don't remember. Leave me alone. A birthday starts with a 19. Didn't you already watch this stupid Goolies movie? I'm like, yeah, there's a lot of them. There's more than to watch the college ones. But we have watched two before, Brian. We have watched it more.

That's a game. But we didn't. We also did Critters, too, but that's a different show. Yeah, it's cool. We're here to pit them against each other. Yeah, nice, nice. The series is evolving, right? We all thought the- Definitely evolved.

Critters One took the win on the first movie. Yeah, easily, easily. What we've never done is a Friday the 13th retrospective. I'm in. We should put that on the list. I'm in. It's been a long time since I've seen a few of them. Yeah.

All right. Well, that's it for listener feedback. Our intro and logos come from Steve. Hey, thanks, Steve. Yeah, you're well. Okay. The VHS guy. Yeah, that guy.

And our original skull artwork comes from Natsulani. If you'd like to help us out, please consider becoming a Patreon patron. We'll let you pick the movies for a future show at any amount. And for $5 or more, also pick a commentary for a future bonus show. All right. On to featured attractions. We get back into the little creature movies with Steve. That's weird.

All right. Goolies too. It sounded weird. From 19. It took out of the second register. The gooies wreak havoc at an amusement park's haunted house disposing of those who make the mistake. Or those who make, fuck me. Those who mistake them for more.

fairground attractions. Words are hard. I'm telling you. Director is Albert Band, also known for Dracula's dog. Okay. Let's put that one on the list. Dracula's dog.

It's like a pug, you know? I'm super interested. And Dr. Mordred also never heard that. That's like a Dr. Strange rip-off, right? Yeah, with

Reanimator. Jericho Combs. Jeffrey Combs. Yeah. Oh, all right. We have to do an Albert Band episode. Writers are Danny Bilsen, Danny Paoli,

and Luko Berković. That's probably not it, but you get the idea. The original ending was rewritten on set. Okay. I guess because once it exploded, they were like, yeah, all right, I guess that's it. We don't have enough money to do it again. The night scenes of the carnival were actually shot on an interior soundstage in Rome with rented off-season equipment.

Well, that's part of your fucking problem. You were shooting this in Rome. Weird, huh? Weird. Steve, you want to start us out on Gullies, too? Let me start out, because I got to go. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay.

All right, Naz. Is it hella good? Oh, fuck, yeah, this is. He's hell of good. I know you guys didn't care for the first one. The first one was in the 10. It was awesome. This one, this was during the VHS era.

I don't think this was in the theater. Well, it wasn't where I was at. I went into the video store and I said, Goolish, too, so I immediately rented it, went home, watched it. I love this film. I have the little double Blu-ray. I think it's Screen Factory or one of those ones,

whoever put it out. out. I loved it. I really love the little person, Phil. Fondikaro. Yeah, him. He's been in a ton of things, especially in the 80s. So I thought when he popped onto the screen,

I was all about it. I thought he was really cool. He stayed in character the whole time. I liked him in Willow. Yes, he did. It was cool. I mean, there was more goolies in this one than there was in the original one. They were more focusing on their thing. Do shit in the original one.

Yeah. And the whole carnival, the plot of it, I thought that was sweet. Because when they all sprung into action at the end, then we finally got a big giant gully, the bald one, the one that came out of the toilet. And instead of just popping out of the toilet, we finally got him do something. We didn't get to see it, but we know what happened when that guy sat on the toilet. Yeah. That one, he just, ah, it was satisfying.

Yeah, that's, that's even more brutal, don't you think, Ness? Like, just imagining it. But, I mean, the whole movie was fun. I liked it. I liked it more because it had the, there was more goolies in it. So I liked what was going on and how they summoned them and brought them all back. And like I said, they brought a big one that was running around at the end, the last few minutes of the movie. I thought that was cool.

yeah but the all-star was a little guy i can't remember his name in the movie but again i've always loved him he was awesome in willow the original movie as well and tons of other things that he popped up in but for as cheesy as the movie was i mean all or nothing days with practical effects i loved what they did yeah i love this film this movie's awesome you all wanna net if nes has to go you all want to go a little bit out of context and let at least Nez jump into Critters 2 first. He can give us his Critters 2.

Yeah, if he's got to go. Critters 2, I haven't seen it in a long time. I did see it in the theater. No, I started to drive-in. Okay. Oh, it was even better. Yeah. It wasn't as good as the first one. I mean, out of all the Critters movies, I only

really like the first film. Yeah, this one was, it was what it was, from what I remember. I haven't seen it a long time. I didn't hate it, so I do remember sitting there and enjoying it. Yeah, I was pretty green watching it at the drive-in. I was underage. Don't do under-age stuff. They have underage stuff.

That's the tagline for your show. The super hot Playboy Bounty Hunter. Yeah. Oh, but yeah. I didn't get that in the first one. I was a bad kid, boys and girls. It would be good. Go to school.

Say no to drugs and alcohol. But anyway. But yeah, it was cool. for what it was again, all nothing days, no CGI. I was always a really fan of how the critters looked, more of a deadly treble. So I thought that was cool. And from what I remember, yeah, I mean, I enjoyed it.

I mean, I did want the rock stars again. So, but I mean, overall, I mean, the movie was good. I mean, once they went everywhere else in the next few films, I kind of tuned out. Those were all VHS. I don't even know if those were in the theater. But, yeah, Goolies 2, awesome.

VHS, Eric Critters 2, started to drive in. I'm going to give a, I love Goolies 2 so much. Like the original one. I'm going to give it a 10. And Critters 2, I'll give it an 8. Nice. Okay. All right, everyone.

I got to go, everyone. Listen to East Society's 31 Days of Horror. We're out to Halfway. point. Shout out to my boy Brian here and my girl Julie. She's really been helping out. And we still got some more for you. So please tune in every day this month.

Shout out to the geeks. A little Sean, Steve, you rule too. And I'm out. And I'm out. Peace. Later. All right. Goolies wins again for Niz.

Yeah. I think he's guling us. Yeah. Steve, what do you think about gooies too? Well, I can't deny that it was better than the first one Because yes, they actually did something in this one We watched them stab and mummified dude, yeah, it was pretty cool And not for nothing like the 80s ass carnival

Had a lot of runway with me Had a lot of runway I was just loving it, eating it up Just looking at all the lights and shit in the background Just like, I would give anything to go to an 80s carnival like that one you know like that that enough that was enough for me and the practical effects were good um the puppets were were better than they were in the last one and the acting was better boy but that main girl she she had some arm hair that wouldn't quit dog i'm telling you

she was like i was like yo is this a thing 35 years old and she's got like all this arm hair like is she's supposed to be the hot one it was like it was like i was having like a signfeld moment you know She shows the hands and there's a huge man hands. I was having a very Seinfeld moment. No, I like this one. I think this one was a lot better than the first one. Again, the carnival setting was great. It was good.

It was campy, 80s. This is what I was hoping the first one was going to be. At least this one had somewhat of a through line you could follow. There was people doing shit and saying things that made sense. So, hey, for me, it's a win. step up for gooies too true Brian what do you think

spoilers for the rest of the series this is the best one in my opinion yeah that's fair enough to go ahead and say yeah more money went into it I agree with Steve the carnival

setting goes a long way with me too the puppets look better they actually fucking do something we actually get to see them it didn't look the greatest but we actually get to see them walking around Not just staring around a corner peeping at people. Yeah, early, like stop motion shoved into the movie.

But I love the scenes. I love seeing it. I'm like, man, that somebody fucking made that little guy move, you know, all this time and work. So I like that stuff. Yeah, like I said, we actually get the goolies in this one. And the first one, you just get, see them like lurking, looking behind walls or corners and hide behind boxes.

No, they're actually causing chaos. this one. Yeah, it's like they were supposed to be like comic relief in the first one, but they forgot the comic. I guess. Yeah. Let's see. I thought the cast was actually pretty good. We got Royal Dano. That guy

plays an old drunk perfectly. Yeah. Yep. You know he's drunk off the bat. And I got to say, Sir Nigel, that guy's the MVP of this movie. There it is. Sir Nigel. That's the one. Sir Nigel.

Now, how fucked up is it that they summon the big googly to eat the other goolies and he sees sir nigel he's like oh this little guy i got to eat him too he thinks he's a goalie and then they pick him up by his arms and carry him away yeah how fuck i had to get one in how fucked up was it the day the filmmakers were like all right we're going to scare you and now we need you to turn around and run up those stairs he's like come on i got to run up the fuck this come on man like he could just have to run down the hall like why do you got to put him of stairs. Like he's a little, little guy.

But he's great. He's so good. He's fantastic. Nice. So, good. So, yeah,

this is by far my favorite. I've seen it a bunch of times. This was always on like TNT or TBS, like back of the day on cable. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, I loved it then.

I still love it now. Mm-hmm. All right, Lance. Oh, dude. When you compare this to the first movie, right? I mean, if you're reading out a curve, this is like a masterpiece. But this movie was so much fucking fun.

Yeah, I love the setup. I love the way that they had the kind of troubled people at the beginning that found their way to the carnival. I love the people that were working in the carnival. I love the douchebag, right, that was trying to make all the money off of it. And then at the end, he's like, oh, it's not my fault. It's not my fault. And he runs into the bathroom and we get that classic scene. And like I say, I truly think that what that Gully did to him was more effective off-screen, Steve,

because you didn't get to actually see it, but your mind was seeing it. Sometimes it's fun. Sometimes, look, John's is one of the best monster movies of all times because you hardly ever see that fucker. Sure. If it's done right, it can be really effective. I mean, you hate this. You hate them when you first meet him. They're like, who are you?

And he's like, you see that name on the sign? Yeah, do you know me? I just love the chaos of it, man. I love the fact that there was a good 20-minute scene of these little, dude, you guys know how much love Chuckie, right? My favorite horror character, because this little asshole is like, he gets so much fucking joy out of creating chaos and killing people. And these little fuckers were just driving go-carts around running over chicks.

I know, they utilized the carnival setting really well. Oh, very well. possible to get run over by a bumper car. Yeah, but I was at the Who Cares at that point? Yeah, that's awesome. Hey, how about... Go ahead. No, no, no.

How about the... Brian, how about the Twister ride or whatever, right, where he took the bolts out? And they just went, whew! It flying over. It exploded. I was at that point, like, we need to up this death count, and then it goes flying through the air. I was like, there we go.

Yeah, right? I mean, it's one thing that you, you know, that's a big knock on a movie a lot of times. They'll cast that area, but they don't use that space for anything interesting. Sure. I'm just like, they're everything. Goolies eating popcorn and fucking shit, you know, like, all right, let's go. This is what I want. And I thought the humor work too, because we got the one scene where the one girl's looking for her cat.

And she goes up to the strong man, have you seen my muffie? And he was like, who hasn't? That was a fantastic line. That might have been the line our listener was referring to earlier, but the line I think he's talking about where he said, I repeat that line all the time. I think it was that line, oh, guys, are you sure we use the right spell?

Some of that giant, giant googly. So, yeah, this was, this was a, this was a lot of fun. A lot of fun. Yeah, I absolutely agree. This is like what the first, This is what I expected the first movie to be, and maybe it's because I've seen this when I was a kid on cable and stuff. But I do like this one.

It's, I mean, it's stupid, but it is a lot of fun. I like the little creatures. They do a pretty good job of that. I mean, the ending is completely ridiculous,

but at that point, you're in, all right, fuck it, let's go. Why not? Just go with it. Yeah. Just go with it. The Molotov cocktail.

Where he explodes. Yeah, is that little thing? Yeah, is that doll really going to fool? I don't know. Who knows? But I liked it because, like, as he goes along eating all the goolies, he, like, picks him up to his mouth and then walks off screen. Yeah. Because, you know, they can't make him eat the gooly.

But I love the close-ups of, like, the mouth. And he's like, yeah, with the guts coming out. finger, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's fun. I, I, I, I like the, I like the special effects. I like the stop motion. Um, I like the little creatures. I, like, there's definitely some dumb parts. Like those kids coming in and they're like, oh my God, look at this.

And they're all, look at this piece of shit. Little kid. I'm like, God. You know, it's, it's fucking tardy. It's a hot, big critics. That kid had a fucking throng star. Dude, he whipped it out. He whipped it out.

like, like, he was just ready. Like, I've been running on day to throw this at so many shit. That's the 80s. You know what I mean? He nailed them too, right in the face. I know. You know how many throwing stars I've lost? Yeah.

I was that age. Yeah, those, those scenes were kind of like shades of the fun house. Remember that when they were being drunk little douchebags in the early part? Until the killers started coming after him, you know? Yeah.

But yeah, when he popped out with the throwing star, I was like, all right, that would have been me. I liked it. Sure. Yeah, this is definitely, I don't know that I've ever seen any goolies past this. So that'll be a fun experiment. If you've seen go to college, you remember you've seen.

I have not seen goos in college. Let me guess they're all doing keg stands and stuff like that. They better be. I hope so. title like that. Yeah. There better be boobs. This is for sure my

favorite goolies so far. So far. All right. Scores. Steve, what do you think? I'm gonna, yeah. We're on a gully scale. Yeah, I'm jumping this up to a nine.

We're going to go a nine on two. Nice. All right. That's just the fun scale, man. It's the 80s carnival. It's the sounds. It's the lights. It's the colors.

pallet, it's all of it. It's the old special effects. Top notch, man. Even the acting was decent. Like, I can't pinpoint one person. It was like terrible. Right. It's solid, solid flick. That little kid with the throwing story. He's pretty terrible. Yeah, but they're supposed to be. They're supposed to be going little shit. Yeah, but in a good way. Brian?

Yeah, I'm at a nine out of tenths. So, two, the effects were upgraded. The acting was better. The story was there was the story to me in this one compared to the original one and best one out the series. All right, Lance. Eight and a half. Eight and a half.

Wow. I mean, you know, on a gooly scale, I think you have to give it a nine on like a real scale. This is probably more like a five or six, but... Uh-oh. But on a ghouly scale,

I can give it a nine. That works. Okay, cool. It was fun. It was stupid. but it was fun. Yeah, we can't judge this against other movies. This was just such a huge improvement.

Like the trajectory from one to two, crazy. Yeah, I think my dogs are chasing a coyote. I heard him fucking howling out there. That's crazy. Oh, boy. Maybe they'll catch him. Oh, you should.

Hopefully he's on the outside of the fence. All right, on to Critters 2. Eggs of the small but voracious alien creatures called Crites are left behind on Earth, and after hatching set their appetites on a small town of Grover's Bend. Director is Mick Garris, also known for Sleepwalkers, and the original TV miniseries The Stand. All right, Stephen King Guy. That's a rough movie. So weird.

Yeah, it's a weird movie. Yeah, it's a weird movie. You got to get some weird stuff if you like that movie. writer is David Twaugh T-W-O-H-Y 2-E-2-E-2-E all right that makes sense also known for pitch black

okay great movie all right Mick Garris had wanted to get Frank Welkner to do the voices of the crites but he couldn't afford to get him so he ended up doing most of the voices himself and hiring a loop group to provide additional vocals for them. I don't know what a loop group is, but okay.

I don't know. Do what you got to do, I guess. All right, Steve, you want to start us out on Critters 2? Yeah, kind of the opposite reaction that I had to goolies to. This one, I think, is a down swing for the Critters franchise.

Yeah, the Critters are attacking the New Town, but sure, we'll just randomly put that kid from the first movie in here. What do you mean, that kid? I know, I know, I know, Brian. I know he's the goddamn guy from Orville. I'm just saying.

Like, he's just, I'm visiting my grandma here. Oh, shucks. And like, they're attacking. Like, it's just. There's more critters. He'll be distracted by my earring. Huh? Yeah.

That wasn't doing anybody, any favors. Yeah, I guess, I guess they just didn't really do anything new here. And they didn't have. Okay. the bet they didn't have the supporting cast that the last one did with d wallace or anybody else kind of overacting and making it kind of kooky like had lynchay being wacky it did have lynchay you're right you're like barely though yeah but it was but it was still awesome seeing like a young lynchay in there yeah that fucking fire red hair she looks crazy and listen when that one bounty hunter transforms that got a lot of run away with me too you know what I'm saying yeah so I don't know why she's Busting out of the uniform But take it

Again It's like I don't know why people can get run over by By bumper cars I don't care I'll allow it We're watching the movie Yeah it's a down swing from part one But I still

I liked it I just didn't have as much fun with it As the first one Okay I do like the idea of them making the movie And just throwing these balls At them like from off screen Like you can just see them like

Huckin these balls at their truck Water driving by and rolling them down the fucking hill, you know, like it had to be a lot of fun making the movie for sure. Yeah, like tribles from Star Trek. Yeah, but with teeth. Right? But I just, I can't think of one particular, like, kill or one particular, maybe you guys will spark my memories, but like, I can't think of one thing that stands out, like, really strongly from Critters to that's jumping out to me right now. Yeah, besides that, which I talked about. She had a cool staple out of her stomach.

That was kind of neat. There's a lot of like, very meta. There's a lot of people looking out into the darkness. Like if you chalked up all the time of people looking out past the camera, that's probably 20 solid minutes of the movie with no dialogue. I guess, yeah. I can see that.

Yep. All right. Brian? Yeah. As far as I can remember, this is probably the second best out of the, the series. Okay. But I agree with Steve.

Like, I'm kind of trying to rack my, I watched this last night. I'm trying to rack my brain. What was the best kill? I think all the best kills were the critters getting killed. Yeah. What about the sheriff that dressed up as the rabbit or whatever? The bunny rabbit. All he did was dance around with critters in his costume, which we didn't see.

Oh, yeah, that's true. That's true. jump through the church window but the the big ball of critters ran that one guy over and then he was all bones after yeah that's true yeah I need more that I need to get more of that but I'm just thinking a lot of the death scenes with the critters like you got the sheriff the original sheriff coming back

you know drawing his guns blasting all the the critters right you got the bounty hunters going to the what was that place the hungry heifer which that sounds kind of gets stuck in your head. They start blasting all the critters. You got the one that falls into the friar and he comes out hairless. Right. It's grimmel.

It's another good one. You're right. It was all the eliminating the critters was the best parts of it. Right, right. A lot of the same. The only scene that ever sticks out is the centerfold. Her, they both. Well, it's a close-up on a giant boom.

Out of the suit. So sadly, I found out that that actress passed away in a car accident five years after this movie. I don't know. Yeah. What a shame. Way to bring us down, Brian. I'm sorry. I'll bring us back up.

Boobes were busting out. And apparently, even though she had no ass, her ass was busting out of the pants, too. Yeah. And then she was walking away. I was like, wait a second. Yeah. Yeah. But I did like that horror callback.

when she was about to change into Freddie Kruger. And Charlie was like, no, no, no. And then held up the centerfold again. Yeah, that was cool. Yeah, definitely cool. I was happy with the outcome. But yeah, it just, now I'm thinking about it. I don't know if this even be my second favorite,

because it's just very coincidental. You know, what's his name? Brad comes back into town and everything just starts conveniently happening right around him how long of those fucking eggs been there I don't know what I'm saying

like he's aged up so I don't know I couldn't tell if he was like 14 or 19 you know I know yeah when he was sitting next to that chick in the truck he looked really short yeah but then when he was standing up next to her at the end

they were like face to face making out. I'm like, are you standing on an apple? You're standing on an apple box. That would be too. I was confused because he was like, aren't you aren't you a senior now? And I'm like, aren't you a senior now? Yeah. Yeah. Well,

he had the baby face going. I don't know. But you're in a bunch of guys in a restaurant and he gets his ass kicked. Yeah. Lance, what do you think? I don't know. See, I don't really think it was a step down from the first. I had a lot of fun with it.

You know, I liked all the, the kooky characters. I liked the spacemen coming back from space. And like, if we'd gotten a Lilo and Stitch too, this would have been that, right, Philip? Yeah. You know, I guess that's probably true. This is very Lilo and Stitch-esque. I really thought that, you know, I know we keep dragging this thing through the mud over and over and over again. But that centerful scene was just hilarious.

just bat shit crazy. I like that kind of slow character that came back and then I kind of have a little heartwarming at the end there, right? Where, you know, they made a face of him, so now the alien was him, but then he came back to,

and if he was like, hey, I'm looking at myself, you know. They did a good job killing him off. Yeah, it was... So he just doesn't get to be a bounty hunter anymore? I don't know. He's still a bounty hunter, right? They left him. Oh.

Oh, yeah. They did abandon him, didn't they? Well, shit. Which in the beginning is what he was worried about going back to Earth for in the beginning. The whole point, he was like, you guys are going to take me back there and leave me there. And they're like, no, no, we're not going to do that. Yeah, you're one of us, man. You saved the planet.

Again. Here's your reward. I'm leaving you here. Yeah. That's what you get from blowing up our ship. I had fun with it. I enjoyed it. Had fun.

Oh. Yeah, I actually I actually had a lot of fun with this one too It's definitely silly But it's critters You know What do you like? I think they did a good job

It was it was definitely a lot of A lot of Gremlin's callbacks I thought Oh yeah Where they just sort of seemed like gremlin creatures And they were trying to kill them But then they They brought in the boobs Which didn't really fit

Because it was It seemed like more of a kids movie. So like without the movie in there. That's kind of what I liked, though. I thought that was kind of funny how they did that. Those were in kids movies in the 80s. You've ever seen the memories? Well, I guess that's true.

But yeah, I still had some fun with this one. Maybe Goolies wins this round. Maybe. I don't think maybe. We'll see. We'll see. but it's close at least we'll see how the rest of them go

but I liked it all right scores Steve what do you think yeah I'm gonna give this a six six on 10 for critters two on the critters scale wow all right all right Brian I'm gonna give it a seven

mostly for all the critter stuff I liked all that practical stuff with them with the puppets and you know boom So seven. True. That gets two points right there. Seven and a half.

Seven and a half. All right. I think this goes seven on the critter scale for sure. So again, I think Goolies wins this round. Goolies wins. I think Uli's two wins. So it's one in one. All right.

We're tied. See how this thing goes. We'll play it out. them go. Yeah, all right. Part three. I don't think I, I don't remember anything about Critters Part 3,

and I know I haven't seen Goolies 3. So it's going to be an adventure. Yeah, I think three is the show debut of Leonardo DiCaprio. Oh, yeah, because I fell asleep for a minute. I had to go back and rewatch it, but it had already started playing Critters 3,

and I was like, is that Leonardo Caprio? Is that Leo? He does not, he does not claim this movie. Most of, come on. Come on. That Raphael gets in a fight with Casey Jones right after seeing Critters 3 in the Turtles. Oh. Cricket.

Deep cut. I don't know what a punk is to understand cricket. Deep cut. You a punker? Jose could say a bet? Tell me you didn't pay money for this. I fucking love that movie. I love that movie, too.

All right. Well, Steve, thanks for stopping by. man you uh you guys are gonna keep doing something every day right through hell yeah for every day in october a new horror movies dropping so we got some good ones in there a couple of you know every year we blind watch some stuff so there's some there's some stinkers in there but you got to have a few of that's part of the fun we uh we sure appreciate everything you do for us man you know we've said it before but like it it bears repeating we really appreciate it man anytime you are our dude so uh as far as everybody

else. Thanks for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. You can find us at thehorrorreturns.com. We just renewed the website for five more years, so we're going to be around a little bit. We are hoping to bring you guys more stuff on YouTube, on Facebook, on the socials.

Stay tuned. And next week, Brian, it's what do we do in nightmares and dreams or what's the theme? The movie's actual called Dreams and Nightmares. Dreams and Nightmares. No, you're right.

I don't know what I'm talking about. No, it's cool. It's called Dreams. All right. In dreams. So in dreams. Yeah, in Dreams and the new Black Phone 2. So, man, on that note, Steve, until the horror returns again, good night.