The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #492: Noroi: The Curse (2005) & Shelby Oaks (2025)

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

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Welcome, welcome, welcome back to the horror return. Halloween special. I'm Lance. I'm Vlad, Vlad Lance, and, oh, we have blood-sucking Brian. Blood-sucking Brian in the house and fanged Philip. What's going on, guys? It's happening. Why do these sound weirdly sexual?

Uh-oh. That was not the intent. Welcome to the horror. Welcome to the horror returns, everyone. Halloween edition. And we're here for your listening pleasure. Brian, what do we have? Like we got one more, uh, one more episode to go in our 31, right?

One more and then that's it for October. All right. We did promise these guys some, I know a lot of people are listening to, because I get a lot of messages. So thank you, everyone who's reaching out and giving us support for the 31 days. It's been a lot of fun. But we're not done because Brian and Philip, I don't know if you're going to be involved. involved in this or not, if we're going to try to bring Tavares in, maybe Wild Man, Al. Who knows?

But I think we're going to do some, are we going to finally do some Patreon exclusive stuff, Brian? Oh. Well, we'll get there. Let's get through October first. October has been very busy, especially for me. Understandable. Yeah. Well, you've been doing like two or three movies a day, too, haven't you?

Kind of the Jim Long approach? Yeah, I think by the end of October, I think I'll be up to like 70 movies I watched this month. Holy crap. Jesus Christ. Not doing it again. I bet. I mean, it sounds kind of awesome, but, man, that's a lot of time.

Give you a chance to catch up. Definitely you catch up with movies, that's for sure. All right, cool of the week. Philom, you want to go first? Oh, let me think. I actually did watch something sort of in the found footage vein. Not necessarily horror, though. It was a Netflix thing.

It was called The Perfect Neighbor. And it was, so it's sort of a true crime thing. Actually, it is a true crime thing because it's made up mostly a body cam footage. And it's a real thing that happened. So the way they put it together sort of reminded me of some of the found. footage stuff that we watched for today's episode. So I thought that kind of went well with it.

Cool. It was pretty good. This crazy ass old lady gets angry when children play in the yard that doesn't even belong to her. And so she keeps calling 911 on these people.

And eventually she has a confrontation with one of the ladies and kills her. in real life it's the whole yeah it's the whole lead up to that and then the trial and all that stuff it's pretty good Jesus Christ man what what is that what is that called again the perfect neighbor it's on Netflix doesn't sound like the perfect neighbor but all right no it's a racist old lady okay well and uh you said it's on Netflix right Yeah.

All right. Cool. Wrote it down. Brian, have you had time for anything outside of you know what? Yeah, I actually started two shows. The first one's on Peacock and it's called The Devil in Disguise, John Wayne Gacy. Oh, cool.

Okay, yeah, I've heard of this one. I wasn't going to watch it because I thought it was a documentary and I've seen one on him before, it's actual series where they're re-reacting or recreating the moment he got arrested and confessing everything. Oh, that's creepy. And it's pretty interesting because I don't know the actor's name. I've seen him in a bunch of things. He was in Orange's New Black. He was in the first Tom Holland Spider-Man. He's playing John Wayne Gasey. He's knocking it out to park for me because he's just, creepy because this guy the fact that he tries to get people to to like him it's

almost like he has to have people like him but he's committing these murders and then when he gets caught he just straight up starts confessing like it's like talking about it like how he just took the trash out or something it's just so casual for him wow maybe you wanted to get caught I don't know. Serial killers are weird. I kind of, it sounds like it. Because there's a part where he, he's getting tailed by the police.

Like, they got stakeouts on him like 24-7. And then he goes to talk to his lawyer. And he's a little drunk. And then it flashed forwards to the morning. He's been at his lawyer's office all morning. And the lawyer comes out to the car. And he has his look on his face. And he can't say what he said, you know,

because he's his lawyer. But he says if this guy tries to leave town, shoot at his tires. That's pretty strong, man. And he volunteers himself to go to the house, and he's like going to the garage, and he's pulling out spray paint, spray paint in the big square,

and he was like, this is where one of them was buried. I cemented him in the ground. That's crazy. Matter of fact, huh? That reminds me of that one. There's another one on Netflix that I watched, and I talked about it when it was on the show. it was this old couple in

London, I think. And they were like serial killers. And they ended up getting caught and the guy had to just lead the police around. But it was like actual footage of them doing that where he's like just showing them where the bodies

are buried. It's crazy. It is crazy because they're not even, he's not even John Wayne Gase. He's not even in handcuffs this whole time. And he's just freely walking around. And the main guy that, led them to them. They're like, where is he?

He was like, oh, he's not here. He's somewhere else. Get in the car. I'll take you where I dumped the body. But I'm only two episodes in, and I think I probably have this finished by next episode. That's kind of crazy. That sounds fun. Yeah. And my cool of the week will have to be checked out the first episode of It, Welcome to Dairy. Oh, yeah. I didn't realize that was on.

I watched that too. I can't believe I forgot to say it. Go ahead. No spoilers. It's good to be back in this world. Same guy that did the movies did the series, Andy Mochetti. And I'll just say in the first 10 minutes, they went there. And I also say, there's children are not safe in this series.

Wait a minute. Yeah. You say, the very beginning of the series. They had a traumatic. The first episode, the first 10 minute, I thought they were going to tone it down because it's a series. Sure. But there's a scene, I think, Phil, you know, the scene in the car. Oh, for sure.

Yeah, they went there. And then by the end, let's just, minor spoilers, let's just say some of the kid characters won't be sticking around after the first episode. I know. That was like, what just happened? You saw it too, Philip? Yeah, it was so good. Man, I'm so far behind, guys. Jesus Christ.

I think that they went there seeing was to like set expectations. It's like, hey, this ain't a kid's show. This is what we're doing. I did hear we're not going to see Pennywise right away, but if they keep doing this, I'm fine for the bill. up to his reveal.

Oh, for sure. And, uh, wow. There's one episode out now. They come out on Sundays, but, uh, they put out a trailer. Uh, they're going to put out this episode two on Halloween. So do you think the ending sticks or was that some, like a dream or something? Oh, I think it sticks. You'd think so?

Yeah. It might. That was a surprise. You guys have me wondering what's going. All right. So just one episode up so far? Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be weekly.

Wow. But this upcoming episode, they're releasing it a couple days early for Halloween. Very nice. Okay. So you've got welcome, welcome to Derry, Brian. Is that the cool of the week? Yeah. You can put devil in disguise too because I really enjoy that one too.

If I would, you read my mom. mind, dude, because I was going to ask, do you mind if I, if I give one of you guys two of them? Because for the very first time ever, I think since we've been doing the show, I don't really have a cool of the week. I don't have a tangible, because I've been doing so much traveling, and it went to Houston. And then, like I was telling Philip, before we recorded, Brian, I ended up getting a stomach bug. So I was literally bedridden Sunday and Monday. Cool of the week could be Houston won our first game, even though it was in Brooklyn Bats.

Yeah, and when I left him just before we started recording, they were about seven points up on the Raptors in Toronto. All right, I'll give it, my cool of the week is the Blue Jays. I don't know, man. I'm all over the place. This is going to be some people not happy with you for that. I know, Pedro. for one, but we'll see how that goes.

I just, fun to watch them play. And I'm not really a baseball fan. But I don't know, man, that Toronto energy. And then, you know, I was just, were you checking out the Raptors, first half of the Raptors game, Brian,

before we recorded? No, I was kind of busy. Yeah, they're weird up there, man. For the halftime entertainment, they had some weird speed painter. that was a blonde chick that was about 96 pounds dripping wet wearing leotards

and like speed painting on a canvas and she turns it around and it's a raptor playing basketball like ah I see what you did there they showed that on TV yes I'm telling you dude

it's good it's good to have that NBA all access because you get the full halftime show you don't they don't cut a way for ads you don't get any ads and stuff so you get to see all the shenanigans but yeah all right i love it i love it brian uh our one in what is it one and two houston rockets maybe two and two after tonight or they were they one and three going into tonight uh against toronto they better be two and two after the game.

Okay. All right. That's cool of the week. Brian, do you have any horror headlines for us? I am trying to check. I'm sorry, everybody. Also, I've been sick for the last couple days, so I didn't get a chance

to do notes. It's going around, dude. It's... Yeah. The weather up here changed drastically. Like, if I start glitching out, I apologize again, because we're in the beginning of a windstorm up here. I can see the trees swaying back and forth outside my window.

Jeez. Yeah, we've had some crazy wind today, too. It finally got, like, chilly. I get to break out the hoodies. I like it. Let's see. Giora Del Toro says he would like to direct his own version of the Phantom of the Opera. Not based on the Andrew Lloyd Weber musical?

I guess his version. Hmm. What do you think, Philip? What do you think, Philip? I like Guillermo del Toro, but man, come on. How much can you smell your own farts to do some pretentious shit like this? Yeah. Let's see.

This is a weird combination. We're getting a new Christmas Carol movie called Ebenezer. A Christmas Carol. And Johnny Depp is set to star as Ebene Z scrooge. And Pearl director, Ty West, is directing. What? Huh. Huh. I like it.

Yeah? Well, it's got to have a horror element then, right? It sounds like it's going to be cool. I mean, yeah, it's kind of a scary story. True. The ghosts pop up and shit, you know? Yeah. We're all going to watch it.

as we say every week we bet you about shit and then we end up watching it Johnny Depp doing another weird character he could be like a you know

I picture you know like Jim Carrey doing his old man and whatever that movie was that he did the old man oh lemony snickets yeah lemony snickets

oh god ohy man I don't know so are we going to get Is it the clean and sober Johnny Depp or the tweaking? I hope not. You never know.

You see him. It looked like you really saw a ghost of Christmas past or something, huh? Yeah, I want rock and roll heroin Johnny Depp. That's right. That's probably who we're going to get. Let's see. Trying to see if there's any news. Mike Flanagan's Carrie series is rap film.

Not a lot of news this week. Oh, so. Brian, not to interrupt, is they going to be on Prime? Is that correct? I think, yeah, prime. Okay. Hmm. Um, some rumors got put to rest for the American Psycho remake. I guess there was a rumor going around that they were going to gender swap. Patrick Bateman and Margot Robbie was going to star. Okay. The studio said that is not true. And they said it is also not. true that Austin Butler is in the role or Jacob Elority.

Either one of them would probably be pretty good, truthfully, right? I mean, but it's not dumb. Because it got reported it like last year that Austin Butler was going to be the new Patrick Bayman, but they said, well, not true. And the rumors about Jacob E. Lorty, who is going to be Frankenstein and Guillermo, Deltorel's Franketstein. He's not Patrick Bateman either. They're still doing the casting.

So do we know who Patrick Bateman is? Not yet. They're still... I mean, it could end up being awesome. Jason Bateman. Jason Bateman. Is that perfect? I'd love to see Jason Bateman in that role, to be honest with you.

I would too, man. I would too. I think that's awesome. honoring the feel of the book a little bit, you know? The book's very surreal. I finally read it last year for the first time, and it's really fucked up. It's almost stupid, because you get to the point where, like, you're in one scene, and then all of a sudden he's, like, in a completely different room with a different person,

but the same exact dialogue had been going on back and forth, and you're like, what? I mean, it's out there. Yeah. I think Bateman could pull that off, right? Yeah, there be a lot of dry humor in there. Turn me up. I don't know. I guess we're going to find out.

This should make you happy, Lance. Screenboat, too, nothing stays dead officially in the works. Love it. Love it. Have you seen Screenboat, Philip? I don't think so. Oh, dude. it's it is hilarious

David Howard Thornton as a steamboat Willie oh it's one of the Mickey Mouse ones okay no I haven't seen it yeah but it's like but yeah in my opinion it's it's it's the good Mickey Mouse one okay yeah I'd have to agree so yeah I think you'll like it man I don't think I'd see it with the kids though because there's like a severed penis that gets thrown around for a whole scene

You know, other than that, though, dude, it's pretty hilarious. All right, check it out. And we'll leave off a severed penis. That's the news. All right. That being said, it's now time to take a trip down to the trailer park. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer tonight?

Just like news, there was not really that big a choice for trailers, so I picked one, like, from what I understand, came out three weeks ago. It's titled Self Help. Okay. The director is Eric Bloomquest. I believe we reviewed one of his movies. Name sounds familiar. It was Founders Day. Oh, okay. Okay, well. Yeah.

Each. Wait, was that the time travel one? No, it was the Slasher movie set on like President's Day or... Yeah. Yeah, the small town politics, like the fight for the mayoral office.

Right, but there was a movie like that that had like some time traveling aspect to it. Was that part of it or no? No. You're thinking of... I think you're thinking... Are you thinking of the Christmas movie from last year? Probably.

the end of last year. Oh, yeah. It's a wonderful knife. It's a wonderful knife. That was it. Okay. Oh, yeah. With Justin Long with his fake veneered white teeth he had.

Oh, yeah. That's right. Yeah. Justin Long, he'll throw you off every time, Philo. This stars Landry Bender, Jake Weber, and Madison Lince, which she looked familiar and I had to look her up she was Little Sophia

Carol's daughter in the Walking Dead. She's one of the main girls. Oh yeah. Yeah, I've seen her in a couple of things lately. Yeah. So, let's see. Little Sophia. Synopsis. A young

woman infiltrates a dangerous self-actualizing community after her mother becomes and strain entangle, sorry, with the inatic leader, I can't read today.

Words are hard. Yeah, but, okay, I didn't get that from the trailer, but... Well, I mean, there was parts of the trailer where it seemed like the mom was not trying to hear anything the daughter was trying to say about the cult. Because, I mean, whatever they want to call

the community, it's a cult. Oh, yeah. True. I don't even really know what to say. I mean, it was hard for me to tell what was going on. I was kind of into it the fact that she's going undercover to get her mom out this cult. But what really, I'm not saying the movie, I hope it's not in the movie, but for the trailer, what took me out of it was the music didn't fit what was going on in the trailer.

A little awkward. It's just the wrong tone. maybe it's a work in progress. You know what I mean? Like, is it a really early trailer maybe where they haven't quite? And maybe that's why it didn't capture my interest so much, you know, because they're just sort of splicing a few scenes together and throwing music over it just to get something out.

I don't know. It's just weird. It was like kind of up-tempo pop music. Yeah. It was. maybe it's uh maybe it's got like some comedy elements in there that's sort of what i gather and they were just showing us the creepy parts i don't know makes sense i don't want to see comedy in this movie yeah well there's gonna be some one-liners for sure yeah like it or not yeah well so i mean

go ahead yeah so brian's you know what i'm talking about sometimes people will like try to to throw us off with musical cues. Like, especially in a trailer, they try to make it look like one thing. Because you got to admit, sometimes the soundtrack, like, literally sets the mood for the movie. Like, think of Halloween. Yeah. Think of Jaws.

You know what I mean? So maybe it's a, like, look at what I'm doing with this one hand while I'm going to give you a completely different movie than what you're thinking. I don't know. Or maybe somebody doesn't know how to cut a truck. I'm going to be honest with you I watched it right before we started doing this and I can't remember much of what was in it except the masked guys

yeah no that's cool not supposed to be a cult but everybody's wearing mask and everybody's hurting themselves for the good of the community and right right yeah you guys are fucking cult or they're possessed

yeah kind of weird by the spirit of Halloween Some of the I'll check it out Some of the masks Reminded me a little bit of Halloween 3 You know The Ghost, the Witch and the Pumpkin

I don't know Yeah What do you think, Brian? You can check it out I'm gonna check it out But I'm not rushed to the theaters To watch this This comes out

This Friday for Halloween Okay In the theaters, huh? Yeah I know I just posted a poster for the movie. I know it's part of AMC's thrills and chills, whatever thing they're doing at the theater. I bet you to make some money.

Seems like a thing that like teenage girls would go see. Yeah. Maybe we'll get better trails next week. Especially if we'll get a trailer that somebody actually put together correctly. Especially if Austin Butler or that what's the guy's name again, that G.R.D. whatever. Jacobi Lorty.

Jason Bateman? Oh, yeah. He's a real draw for teenage girls. They cast Jason Baton to play Jason Bateman in American Psycho. It'd be great, man. He only plays himself. All right, that is all for the trailers. All right, on to some listener feedback.

This week, we shine the podcast spotlight on how to survive a horror movie. Welcome to the How to Survive a Horror Movie podcast. We learn how to survive horror movies and maybe how to survive life. I like it. Have you, have you, have you,

have you, have you, have you, I have not, I am behind on all podcasts right now. I apologize, I will catch out. There's just too many good ones to fit all into a schedule and October's been

slam for me. Yeah, very true. What a month. And then Brian, you and I both get sick. It's like, come on, where's the justice? There is none. My kids got strep. I might be on the way. Oh, no. Wow. We should see.

In regards to Psyche. I feel great right now, though. So I'll take it. Yeah. What the fucking psyche? Oh, I'm glad you posted this one because I don't understand this comment. Okay. Okay. Do you mean psycho? No.

Psyche? I don't know. I just read what's written. I mean, you got me on this one. Okay. All right. Cuchiki Cililah sim says, sorry.

It says, What the underworld is a Greek mythology. Okay, I'm going to read you the post I made. This is a new movie. Okay. Brian's going to explain it for us. I posted a first look at Psyche, a new psychosexual horror set on a remote Greek island where an illegal dig awakens a vengeful goddess of the soul. Starring Noah Jube, Isabam, Merced, and Matilda Lutz.

Sounds kind of interesting. I don't understand the comment. What was the comment again, Philip? What the underworld is a Greek mythology? It sounds like a punchline. it kind of does but maybe not I don't know

either way I'm going to say it's funny and if you meant otherwise then my bad the freaks come out at Halloween so if you made that comment write to us again or they're really high

might be the perfect guest host for a show who knows in regards to bitter taste Lisa French says just watched this, it was good. Bitter taste. Interesting.

On the list. In regards to the Carrie series, Sophie Tomayo says Mike Flanagan, please take good care of my girl. Carrey's important to me. I think it's in good hands. Yeah. Couldn't be in better hands, actually. And I know he just did an interview saying this is probably

the most fun he's had working on a project. Okay. Is that a good thing or bad thing, though? Because his other shows have been so amazing. And if he wasn't having fun, maybe he's going to lose his edge on this one. Let's hope not. Maybe he wasn't having fun working for Netflix.

Yeah, maybe this one is just slightly less serious. Yeah, I could see that. I could see that. Well, you tell us, Lance, they're going more faithful to the book. I mean, if you, so we've done two carry shows, right? There's so many versions of the movie, even like the little miniseries. So I don't know, there's not, I guess I'd have to go reread the book. This was the first one that King ever wrote, and it's probably been 30 years since I've read it.

There was one scene in it. It was like, but I think they did cover it in the miniseries, right, where it was the asteroids or the little stones falling out of the sky. Oh, yeah, the TV movie? Yeah, and something like that. Yeah, something like that happens in the book. I thought it was birds for some reason. And then also at the end in the book,

I think somebody comes out of the grave. I'd have to reread it. Well, you know what? We'll just watch this. There's a weird scene at the end of the book, like where maybe somebody didn't die. I don't know. I got to be honest, guys.

I haven't read this one in a long time. TV movies hilarious when she's doing her powers and shaking and going cross-eyed. I haven't seen it in so long, but I remember enjoying it. You know what? The other one

that I kind of like? Yeah. I have I will say I've never seen it. I've seen parts of it. Really? I never fully watched the whole thing. Is that the one on the plane?

Yeah, it's pretty bad. but I love Balke. Bronson Pinchot? Is that? Pincho. Okay. Pinotchet. Pinochet.

Okay. All right. Let's see. Our main man from across the pond, Matt Wood has proudly taken up the mantle of posting a classic for most of the movie posters on the Facebook group. Appreciate it. As Michael Arnaz has not done so.

week. Thanks, maybe. This spot has been taken. That's right. You got to fight for it, Michael. As long as we got somebody in there. Nice man up.

Classic. Classic. Regarding Steve's design of Jasper Jenkins in the nightmare scene, Craig and Cairns cast says this design is so cool. Yeah. Dude, Steve is the man. how he has time to do all the shit he does. Yeah, now he's

making VHS tapes. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Because. This dude, huh? And they look awesome. It's like professional. Yeah. Are we sure this isn't a multiplicity situation?

I know. I'm sure somebody's seen him in more than one place is at the same time. Well, that wasn't, that was a podcast, Steve. Other Steve was at work. that's right and then what about the artist steve what was he doing was he drawing away in a basement somewhere cutting his ear off okay there's probably several podcast steves because i think uh the same day we recorded the geeks to do their star geeks show he probably was on that at the same time okay it all makes sense yeah all right it all makes sense uh all right just don't kill your other self

In regards to Halloween aftermath, Todd Copeland says good one. I will talk about that one on 31 days. I don't remember which one that is. That is a fan film. Pretty, pretty well made. They set it in the time between Halloween kills and Halloween ends. Oh, okay. Oh, wow.

Did not know that. It just came out last week, I think. I can't wait to hear I don't even want to ask any questions I just want to wait and hear you talk about it Brian sounds interesting uh in regards to the thing

oh I did watch the thing and the thing remake this weekend when my parents came over my dad wanted to watch it oh nice Mark Komarzinski well he was showing me the new one that was a prequel

and like like I had no idea what it was and he was showing me something new, so I just let him believe that. This is awesome. Oh, you did the reactions? Yeah. You never seen it before.

That's funny. It's just easier that way. Sure, sure. Mark Carl Marsensky says, so good, one of my favorite films of all time of any genre. Plus, top-notch practical SFX.

I like it. Edgar V.S. as part of my horror poster collection it's got to be Evan Sapien says best movie ever smart wow might be

and then we rewatched the original and man number one Keith David is a badass and I love this movie it's so good every time what the fuck is McCready to me

with the flame's over Well, that was my only question. I was like, why does this science lab have like a bunch of dynamite and a flamethrone? A bunch of flamethrowers and shit. This situation right here, they were thinking ahead. Exactly. Oh, guys, come on. They would probably have that stuff, wouldn't they?

Because if they have to bore into the ice sometimes to. With a flame throwing. Well, I mean, yeah, help do clean up work. I don't know. You have to fight off the deal. demons that are jumping over the ice wall or something. Well, it was clearly the reason was to have Keith David there because he clearly was not a scientist. Yeah, well, that's true.

That's a good point. And yet it all works, right? Yes. Oh, I guess what's his nut was a helicopter pilot, which that worked. Although I still don't know why he was wearing a stupid hat. It looked comical. but it became iconic it did right

still looks stupid all right in regard to uh johnny depth's upcoming ebeneezer philip blakley says charles dickens a Christmas carol has always been a dark story

uh though each version told differs on how accurate they stick to the original story I'm gonna go out on the limb saying tie west is not going to do an accurate depiction no yeah probably not but I think it's going to be cool. I kind of feel like watching the movies he's done,

he's going to do his own thing, and Johnny Depp's going to put his spin on the character. I just hope he doesn't go by the way of, like, heavy prosthetics and... Yeah, I can do without that. What was his character in Tusk? The French... Was it a French Canadian detective?

or something. Like an Inspector Cliso type. Yeah, we could do without that. You were right about that, Brian. We could, I don't need a second helping of that. Some of those dumb characters work, some of them don't. True. You just got to throw it out there.

I'm more interested to see how he depicts like the ghosts. Yeah. I don't know. They could be super creepy. Oh, man, he'll probably use, what's her name? Pearl, the actress. Mia Gop. Yeah, actually, you could do that.

I've not seen her in anything. I mean, she's going to be into Guillermo Deltorel's Frankenstein, but I've not seen her in anything. Yeah. Do they, is it written in stone that the ghosts have to be men? Just saying, I'm not talking to this whole. play all three ghosts. Gender swap thing. I don't know.

It'd be interesting as a twist. Especially with someone of her caliber, you know. Plus, she already looks kind of weird. I think it'd be easy to make her ghost. A little bit. She's like hot weird. I don't know. It's weird.

Right. She's not a weird version of the kid. Oh, God. Tiny Tim. Yeah. Like tiny. Tina or something.

Oh, no. I think Brian just cracked the code. I'm just an old crippled hooker from down the street. Won't you have some of me pie? Don't worry about the air

and don't worry about the air. Get it done. All right in the movies as we go. All right. Let's see, in regards to the Halloween poster, David Hayam says, uh, this could, or could this really happen to a movie from John Carpenter? I think you already did. What is he talking about?

I don't know. What is the deal this week, man? What the fuck is up with feedback this week? Yeah, I'm confused. Maybe John Carpenter would make another remake. That yes. be a lot better than what we got from the Pineapple Express guys I don't know

the first one was pretty good yeah the first it was pretty good what did you guys think about the Rob Zombie Halloween verse I didn't mind the first one I did not like the second one yeah that's fair I'll go with that

and actually the first one's not bad It's got its own little place. I don't look at it as canon, but it's, uh, it's kind of fun for like a Rob Zombie kind of thing. Yeah, and that's exactly why we did, I did not include it in the franchise watch with my daughter. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little too Rob zombie. Yeah.

Every other word is fuck. Kind of like the language, but there's some rape in there. Oh, yeah. That's true. But I like his Michael Myers is kind of a badass. Yeah, Tyler, Tyler Maine, the guy that played the Sabretooth. Yeah, that's right. The original, the original Sabretooth, right?

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Let's pick the movies for a future show at any amount. And for $5 or more a month, also pick a commentary for a future bonus show. All right. On to future detractions. It's time for found footage, sort of, with the brand new Shelby Oaks and 2005's No Roy, the Curse. All right, so we'll start with Noroy the Curse from 2005. Japanese movie. A prominent paranormal

journalist Kobayashi goes missing shortly after completing a documentary. What begins as an investigation into strange noises soon involves into the chilling mystery of a demonic entity named

Kagutaba Kagutaba. That's probably closer. I think you just nailed it. Director and writer is Koji Shirashi Shureshi, also known for carved, the slit-mouthed woman, and the dogs of karma. Uses music from John Carpenter's The Thing.

Interesting. Did not notice. Yeah, I didn't either. All right. Brian, would you think about Noroy? This movie's trash. Oh, no. Yeah, so after I got done watching it, wanted to message you guys and apologize.

Really? nothing happens in this movie. It's like an actual documentary where they don't have actual footage. Yeah. Yeah, like those bad ones. You two. I know. Normal investigators where nothing happened.

Nothing happens. Yeah. But we're sorry, guys. And for, I mean, it's, for what it does, it's, it's well made. It gives you a lot of information. It just, it tells you, it doesn't show you. I mean, they bring a, like, demonic possession, psychic powers, ectoplasmic worms, aborted fetuses, monkey babies being fed to a priestess medium.

They showed the aborted fetuses crawling around. Yeah, but I wanted more. It's like they sprinkled it in and they teased you and then it was like, oh, we're not going to show you no more of this. Well, nothing really happened. The effects weren't that great. So they had to make it really gritty and blurry and only show you for a second. And nothing really happened until the end, which I felt like we should have got in the beginning because it's what happened to the people.

Right. I think we should have jumped started the movie with what happened and showed us what happened and then got into the documentary stuff. I could see that. And I was just saying, bored to tears with this movie. All right. So I had a little bit different takeaway. I'm with Brian in the fact that, yeah, I mean, it was like, yeah, it was spot on.

It was one of those stupid documentaries, right? Like, you remember that one, the fucking William Freakin directed it? And it was that one, the devil and father Amorth or whatever, right? The real life, you know, story for the terrible one that, you know, came out a couple of years after that. we're uh what's his name was riding around on a on a moped in Italy who was the actor in that was it Russell Crow oh you confused me you said terrible that movie's awesome okay all right well the no no the documentary is terrible that Russell Crow Exorcism movie yeah yes oh okay but no I'm talking about the dog all right I never watched a good version of it I need to see it

documentary that the documentary that inspired it Brian and it was directed by William Friedkin for fuck sake you know this guy did the exorcist and killer Joe he did before he died I think so

but it was so bad because at the very end and I don't know if they did it on purpose as a lark or something to fuck with the audience but so at the very end of that documentary right they're showing all these people being interviewed and he says now we're going to go into the church and actually watch the exorcism and then he gets to

the church and this priest steps in front of him and goes, none shall enter. You have to stand back here and wait. And he's standing there with a camera holding it and you hear all this noise inside the church. And that he's like, the words scroll across at the end. Unfortunately, we weren't allowed in the church, but we can tell you it was really cool what happened in there. And that's kind of what this movie was, right? Like a whole bunch of buildup. But I did kind of like the way, all right? I like the characters, Brian. I think you got to give him that much, right? The fucking Dude, wearing the aluminum foil, you got to admit. Pretty funny hilarious, right?

You got to have one of those characters in there. Yeah, he's pretty good. And then, yeah, and then the kid that, you know, they did the little reality show like, Ah, Kobayashi, ayah, and begin! Right? And they're all drawing, they're all drawing a picture or whatever, and she's actually the one who draws the one correctly,

that's the circle, the two circles with the brakes in them. And like, she can't see it, but she's astrally projecting herself to see it or whatever. And then she draws the second one, and it's that embryo face. It looked about like an alien, though, to me. What did you guys say? Well, that was the, I don't know if it was the embryo face or if it was, I guess it was, yeah, I guess it was the aborted babies. Either that or it was the demon, the kagatuba, Kagu, Kagu,

Yeah, I guess. It looked like an alien. There it is. Yeah, this movie definitely didn't know what it was, but I don't know if it was trash. I mean, it was kind of funny. I take back trash. I didn't mean trash. I was just heavily disappointed because I...

Understandable. I was looking for a found footage movie to pair up, and we've done a whole bunch on this show. And so I pulled up a list of... It was like the top 10 underrated. found footage movies and this was like in the top five well somebody likes it then well I'm gonna tell you why he's actually a great

choice for this because the director of Shelby Oaks is Chris Stuckman and he he's a YouTube guy who does you know movie reviews and this this movie is actually one of the inspirations for Shelby Oaks

no shit you can see a lot of it in the beginning of Shelby Oaks Ryan Strikes again. He actually talks about this movie specifically and does a whole review of it and why it's an inspiration for his new movie. And he loves it. Is it an older review? Could be.

Where he used to actually give his opinion? Yeah. That's good point. Because he doesn't do that now that he's a filmmaker. Well, now that he's a filmmaker, he can't make enemies. Sorry. True. he

wouldn't be like Philip and say everybody in the movie was okay except the dude with a pink hair it was blue guess I'm not rolling his next film alright I got kids and shit man

yeah it was it was bizarre I mean it's a different culture right so yeah it's like the dude with the pigeons was kind of creepy the lady with the little boy

and she was creepy. What did you think? There was just scenes that I wanted more of, like, the one chick that was having a seizure, and then the birds started flying in the window. I'm just like, you're sprinkling stuff in there that I want to see. Yeah, it's a little slow-moving,

but the stuff that happens, when it happens, there's no jump scares, it's just psychological stuff. True, yeah. And it's psychological stuff in another language. that's subtitled. And so... Which I think my subtitles were not accurate. Lost in translation.

I think a little bit of his lost in translation. The story is hard to follow. And it's hard to really focus on because there are a whole lot of slow moments where I maybe wasn't paying attention to all the subtitles.

And I was like, wait, what's happening? But that ending was so, good. Yeah. I'm more of that. Like when the guy shows up and says the demon's been in that little boy the whole time and then he like

takes the boy and smashes him with a rock. Yeah. And then he stands up and has his crazy ass face. Yeah. And then the demon transfers into the woman and she sets herself on fire and that's how the house burnt down. And we waited almost two hours to find

that out. Yeah. Yeah. Bring it back around. Kind of a kind of a slow burn, huh? But, I mean, okay, so like, you remember the original paranormal activity, right? And so that one was a super slow burn. Like, it just very, very, very slowly progressed. But it was a, I liked the first paranormal activity.

I think it was a slow burn, but it was a slow buildup to the finale. Yeah. They were giving you stuff continuously through the movie. Yeah. And so I think that they were doing that a little. bit with this one, and I think just where it may have lost us was probably the lost in translation thing.

You're probably right, because, like I said, I felt like my subtitles weren't accurate, and then they were coming in, like, after they were talking. Yeah. And so I would try to read them, and then they would disappear because they would be on to the next thing and talking.

Yeah, that can make a difference. Some of the footage wasn't super clear, like it started glitching out, and I was like, but by design, though, I don't think it was your TV. No, it was by design. But it wasn't a thing that freaked me out.

I was like, all right, what's wrong? More irritating than creepy. Like that. Yeah. Glitch. Glitching. But I liked it. I thought it was good. I think I need to watch it again. I'm just not like stoked to watch it again because there

wasn't enough of a payoff maybe. But it is a cool psychological Japanese style, like grudge thing, you know? Kind of like that, but like without the scary monsters, like low budget grudge. Good way to put it. I agree. Yeah. All right. Scores.

Brian, what do you think? I take back my trash comment. I don't usually do that. I was just highly disappointed. I think it being a top 10. underrated found footage movies. I expected more. And then I got teased with things that was said and shown throughout the movie.

And I just wanted more of that. Yeah. So I think I'm going to have to give it a five. Okay. Kobayashi. This is a tough one. Yeah. Brian's got it five.

See, I can't go one side or the other because it's probably a cultural thing, you know. I don't watch a lot of Asian horror movies, and I definitely don't watch a lot of Japanese horror movies. Our man Don, right? The Mafia Don himself, the Don of horror in our podcasting group. Don Anelli, I think he does watch a lot of international horror stuff. Oh, for sure.

He might give this like a 10, you know. I bet he would. Yeah, he really was into it. He's probably yelling. at us right now. Yeah, if he was on here, he'd break down why this is a good movie and we'd probably be just shaking our heads like, yeah, I can

see that. It's not that we're not smart enough to get it. I don't think it's more it's just like we're not connecting with the culture. Yeah, it's like it's interesting. It's like when he came on our Jallo episode.

He was breaking down what Jallo was and yeah, the history of Joll. Yeah, and the history of the movies we used. And then he gave us, like, movie homework. He was like, if you're, if you like this movie, he named off like 15 movies. Yep. There's something here.

We're just not getting it. And you know what? I'll bet if you were to go immerse yourself in Japanese TV and culture for a couple of years, especially stuff from that era, all this would be like super ironic, right? Because it's probably very much like the TV shows they have there. Well, I'll give it, like it does a little something for the found footage genre. I like how they mixed in, like the news footage and things like that. To form one cohesive story, it was just slow enough where I wasn't entirely following the story the whole time.

I'm going to go six. Okay. Yeah. I thought it was, it was pretty creepy. I think it had a good tone to. it, it was just different. Fair enough. The thing kind of throws you off, you know?

Sometimes it doesn't, man. Like that, okay, that, uh, that Spanish one, the, where the kids were all possessed and shit? What the hell was that movie called? Yeah. No, you're talking about the, uh, no, not Spanish. It's, well, Spanish language. Um, wasn't it from like, Mexican?

Way, way, way, way on the other. other side of the equator, right? Was it Peru or something like that? Was it? Maybe it was something like that. Was it last year or the year before? Yeah. We are struggling. You know what I'm talking about.

Don't remember yesterday. But it was on all of our top five list. Yeah. That movie was that. One where the dog attacked the little girl. Okay. In the flash or somebody is just throwing potatoes at our screen or they're speaker right now. I know.

The devil something. I can't ever remember names. Were evil lurks? Was it weird? That was it. When evil lurks. There it is. No, no, no, no, no. One of those. We got there.

Okay. Team work makes the dream work. Yeah, we put our three miles together. I don't even know why I brought that up. Oh, yeah, because it was subtitled and it was badass and it drew me in the whole way, and I did not look away. This one, I got distracted. Brian,

Durant. Brian is our Kevin Durant. He'll get all the points. We just got to get the assist. Yeah. I haven't put us in the situation. All right. Back to Shelby. The brand new movie

2025. From Chris Stuckman, YouTube guy. A woman's desperate search for her long-lost sister falls into obsession upon realizing the imaginary demon from their childhood may have been real. Directors Chris Stuckman,

also known for Chris Stuckman's movie reviews. He put that on there because it's his YouTube channel, and this is his very first film. Okay. Writer is Chris Stuckman with Sam Liz. The Kickstarter campaign for this film reached its initial funding goal of $250,000 within 24 hours. The initial stretch goals up to 600,000 were reached within one to five weeks of the campaign remaining,

which prompted the additional of further stretch goals. I'm fucking this and it's all up, up to a million dollars. We know what you mean. Yeah, we're following. Which were also reached before the end of the campaign. When the campaign finished after the total sum of 1,390,000, $845 was pledged by 14,720 supporters

of making it the most funded horror movie on Kickstarter. Wow. Well, it helps that he has a following. Well, sure, but that's impressive. It is impressive. In one of the posters

promoting the movie, there are names of all the people contributing to the movie hidden in the poster. there were 14,000 people included in the making of the movie including crowdfunding. Yeah, the credits were like super fucking long. I was, I think there's an end credits.

Yeah, I think there's an end credit scene. But like at one point, I was like dozing off and I was like, all right, I'm getting out of here. Right. So I didn't like. Extra fact, this movie caught the attention to Mike Flanagan, who was an executive producer. That's right.

Yeah. I remember you talking about that. Some big names in this movie, Keith David, is one of them. What? Oh, yeah. He's, I mean, it was probably like, hey, here's like $50,000 for 10 minutes of work, but. Well, from my querying of that, you guys can probably guess that I didn't get a chance to see this one this week. Oh, shit.

But that's okay. I still want to hear all about it. I'm still going to watch it. I really wanted to, but that two days in bed completely sick just knocked my proverbial dick in the dirt. Yeah. And you know what? I didn't mind going to the theater to see this one because it was like giving money to a good new filmmaker. And hopefully he does great things after this.

I'm a fan. Brian, what did you think? Sorry, Phil. I didn't get out to see this either. Oh, no. Oh, wow. I figured as much. It was a limited release.

I got sick and I had to get a refund on my tickets. I had some recording. I was supposed to do with Nez. I had to cancel that. And I really wanted to watch this because I've been watching Chris Stuckman for years. I've been watching his reviews. Yeah. I feel like we're all in the same thing as far as movie reviewers.

You know, he does it. on YouTube, we do it by podcast, and I wanted to support one of us, but it just wasn't in the carbs. Yeah. Well, Phil. I'll review it on your own. Yeah, let's go, man.

I don't mind spoilers at all, by the way. I was, like, pleasantly kind of blown away. Nice. This was a good movie, man. Like, I didn't expect a lot. Yeah, so it starts out, I don't know how much to spoil this. Before you get started, Philip.

Yeah, all right. This wasn't, hold on, this wasn't as bad as, what was that movie, the wreck of the Hesperus or whatever? I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. The Dracula ship? Okay. Yeah, the Dracula one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I actually watched this one. All right. Well, it was a limited release, but they just happened to be showing it in my theater today. and I got through with work super quick and nice it was great this was a great day I got through with work super quick everything I went to was super easy uh the weather just changed it's like 60 degrees and sunny outside super windy like crazy windy but right beautiful right I'm wearing a sweatshirt for the first time I'm loving it and then I got this chance to go see the movie i was like holy shit my theater is showing my little podunk nothing movie

theater is showing uh is showing this movie and then i was the only one what a treat it was so even better you could have taken you could have taken your pants off i could have i would like you know in honor of the black saint yeah i did bring in a couple of tiny bottles of jim beam and throwing my well there you go with a small popcorn i was happy Add it to the movie. There you go. And yeah, so I had a really good time with this. And I guess I wasn't expecting much because the beginning of the movie starts out found footage and not, you know, what you would expect from a low budget film found footage, right?

And I was like, all right, well, you know, we'll follow the story. We'll see how it goes. And then like 15 minutes into that. that it takes it and turns it on on its head it's not even really a found footage movie it just has found footage aspects interesting and on the outside of the found footage movie it's really good like he sort of does a little bit of everything and uh you get a little supernatural horror in there some uh a little bit of silent hill kind of a vibe um plus sort of like a cult thing what?

Yeah, it works. It's a little bit of, it's a little bit of mish-mash everything. Does it all make sense? Yeah, it totally makes sense. Okay. Without spoiling it, what's the general story?

Okay, so the general story is there's this blonde chick who is, does like a YouTube channel, it's one of the early YouTube channels of like a paranormal investigator. thing. They're called the like paranormal paranoid or something like that.

Okay. And it's like this team of, you know, a diverse group of people who's having fun da da da, da, doing their paranormal thing. And then she, uh, she goes missing. And so she's missing for like 12 years. But the real main character of the story is her

sister who, uh, shows up during sort of that documentary phase of the beginning of the movie. and then it more focuses on her and it turns into a real movie. And she is searching for her missing sister the whole time. Who at 12 years later may or may not have been murdered by now. Jesus Christ. You know?

Pretty clever. Sounds like it's pretty clever. And then it turns. And you know what? I think some of the stuff with her, might be slightly found footage, but most of it with her is like real movie stuff. And so it's just sort of a found footage background and opening to it.

I think it works. The way that they do it. And then there's a demon involved. Got to have a demon. Got to have the demon involved, Brian. The same, the same that they had been seeing outside their windows since they were children. So it has sort of a paranormal activity thing going.

Yeah, it's a little bit of a mixture of everything, and he does it really well, like, way better than I was expecting. With some bigger names. Keith David shows up. He does, you know, a five-minute monologue, and it's fantastic. And then he goes away. What is his part? Or is that spoiler? He's like the police chief or something.

Okay. All right. Yeah. Huh. All right. The Jason Baitman show. Okay. No.

Dave David. Keith David. Keith David was as big of a name as they could have got. Gotcha. It's still relatively low budget. I'm going to give it, I think I'm going to get an eight and a half. Holy fuck.

Yeah. Brian? Yeah. I was like super impressed with it. It was really good. I want to watch it again. Okay. Like, I had a really good time with this one.

Yeah, that's saying a lot. I don't think it's necessarily something that you have to go to the theater to see. Like, this seems like a laying in bed in the middle of the night watching kind of horror movie, you know? Yeah, and that's fine. Yeah. So I can't wait until this comes to prime or whatever it is. I don't think it'll be long. Brian, didn't you say they have a shutter contract or am I thinking of a different movie?

I think you think of a different movie, but neon usually has a fast turnaround. Yeah, this one surprised me that it's in the theaters. Yeah. But I think off of Chris Stuckman's name, they at least get some people to show up. That's cool, man. I mean, that's part of the reason I went when I was like, Shelby, oh, what the fuck is this? You know, like, it didn't mean. That's kind of what I thought.

And then it said directed by Chris Stuckman, and I was. like, oh. Like, I. Fuck, dude. All right. That's a good score, dude. Well, what about... Pleasantly blown away.

What about spoilers? We got anything to spoil? All right. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. Spoilers, yes. Okay, so yeah, so it starts out as the found footage with the blonde girl after she gets taken. And then it's sort of, it's a little bit slow in the beginning and you're kind of getting your feet on the ground. And I'm like, come on, let's get better. And then it sort of transitions over to the sister, which is now 12 years later. and this old weird bald dude shows up at her front door and just knocks on the door

and says some weird shit. I can't even remember what it was because at that point I started to lose interest in the movie. Oh no. But as soon as I started to lose interest and it was all sort of becoming background, this guy shows up and says some weird shit the door, whatever it was, and then shoots himself in the head.

And it's just a bang. And it, like, it made me jump in the theater. I guess, yeah. I guess so. It brought me back. And then, and then that's when it actually goes into the opening credits. Okay. And it's like, this is the kind of movie that it is, which I thought was a really cool

artistic choice. So it's like 15 minutes in the movie before you start seeing the opening credits. and then and then it goes into the movie where so this guy that kills himself he has a a little like camcorder tape in his hand that's labeled Shelby Oaks and so

the sister steals it before the cops and everything show up and then she watches that and then it goes back to found footage but now you're invested a little more Okay. So you see the found footage of this guy who shows up in the middle, like the guy that killed himself, the fat weird guy. Yeah. It's him showing up to their investigation of Shady Oaks, which is like a ghost town.

Sure. Like, I guess people used to live there, and then at one point it just kind of died off, and nobody lives there. It's a total ghost town, very silent hill-ish, right? And so they're investigating for their little paranormal activity. They're going through one of these houses. Fat guy shows up, like, rips the head off of one of the camera crew guy. Holy shit. Yeah.

And then you see him, like, grab the blonde girl. and like the video cuts and you don't know what happens. So she shows her husband. I don't think that she shows the cops yet because her husband thinks that she's crazy because she sees some sort of like demon in the background, which is no wait. I thought I was getting my movies mixed for a second.

Were they showing it? Could you see it? Yes. So yeah, you could. So they put the demon in the background, but it's very blurry. It's kind of hard to see. Of course.

There were so many times I wanted to. Yeah. There were so many times I wanted to rewind this. And like, wait a minute. Did I just see something or did I not see something? You know? And so that's where I think it would kind of work better on your home screen because you can, because there's a couple of scenes where I'm like,

I think something was there on the last cut. and now it's not. Some fuckery. Brian, some mind fuckery. Yeah. Yeah. So there's like this demon thing involved, which is apparently the incubus.

So there's like this symbol that's carved on all the trees and it's the incubus. I don't know. It's very general when they explain it, but they go through the book and you get the history of it, right? You know, the whole movie tropes. And so. So the sister goes, after she sees this video, she goes back to those specific places to try to track down her sister.

And she finds this old lady living in the middle of this ghost town by herself. And super creepy scene where she's like, oh, come on in and have some tea, right? Oh, that's a red doorway. That's a red flag, Brian. Yeah. Well, and she totally like that. just goes in with no problem, whatever.

Consulingretel? Get in the oven? And it's very creepy the whole time that they do that. The old lady is like she grabs, the girl grabs like a knife out of her, because her husband thinks her crazy, but she's crazy by this point. So the lady, she grabs like a knife out of her kitchen and hides it in her jacket. And I'm like, all right, that's the first smart thing you did. Right. and follows this lady upstairs and she says that she lives there with her son

because she asks her if she lives there alone and she's like nope and then walks off yeah and uh so she turns around and sees a picture of her son which was the old fat bald guy that shot himself in front of her house she's like oh well i'm in the right place okay and uh Then the old lady just takes her downstairs and she finds her sister chained up in a cage. She's still alive. What the fuck? Apparently this incubus demon has been trying to have a baby with her. And like they go, yeah, they go through.

There just happens to be conveniently a photo album of the girl when she gets there and the old fat guy and all of the. there tends to be, right? Yeah, all of the graves marked with the little incubus and bullets carved into the trees and shit. Okay. And so, yeah, there's like 10 little graves. She's been gone for like 12 years.

So a lot of babies that didn't make it. Oh, similar to the prior movie. A little bit. So the first... There's a lot of similarities, actually. The beginning found footage stuff does a lot of the same things

that the found footage movie that we watched it. A lot of clear homage. Yeah, yeah. We're mixes in the news reports. There even is like a weird pixelated part that happens. And it's straight up an homage to that movie. Yeah. Okay.

But yeah, so we're going back to, she finds her sister. She convinces her to leave. even though she doesn't want to. And like the old lady is following her and she has like demon eyes. They get all bright and shit. I love those demon eyes.

Yeah. But it's done really well. It's pretty creepy. And then there's something behind her. And so apparently this, one of the things that you find out in the book about the incubus is that it has a like pack of hellhounds. as if we couldn't add anything else to this movie.

As like it's guardian, right? So there's these dogs throughout the whole thing. In the very first beginning found footage, there's hellhounds. Even though it's, it's really just coyotes. It's like just 100% coyotes. Coyote is what the sound is.

We're like, oh my God, that's so creepy. And I'm like, is right? That sounds very normal. Brian, you guys have wolves in Alaska, right? Not coyotes. Say that again? In Alaska, you guys have wolves out in the wild, right? But not coyotes?

Yeah, we don't have no pussy-ass coyotes. It's the real deal. Okay. We've got red wolves mixed with coyotes so that you can't shoot them. Oh, nice. They're pretty. protected. Has anyone ever tried to raise the neighborhood? Has anyone ever tried to raise one?

No, they're kind of, they're not bad looking dogs. Yeah. Sounds like they might be. I've seen a few of them. There's, yeah. There's a couple with trackers on them. Well, it sounds like a trip, dude. Maybe sounds like a fucking trip.

Yeah, so Brian and I missed out this week. There's hellhounds. Yeah, there's hellhounds. There's a scene where the hellhounds eat somebody. There's a demon baby God damn Yeah There's a demon baby

You gotta have the demon baby Like mobile Like it's up and moving No no no no no no no no no it's just like Rosemary's baby demon baby Okay So it's laying down it's like chasing someone around the room No it's a super cute

Normal baby But there's a demon in there Well that could be at anybody's house it's the demons child. They were trying to have with this girl, right? So they finally succeed and there's the baby there. And the old lady

eventually sacrifices herself as she does some other little curse and they like bring them home. So now it's the two sisters bringing home the demon baby and crazy sister who's been locked up for 12 years tries to murder the demon baby

with a pillow. Well, I would do. Yeah, well, because she says you don't know what's in there. And Big Sister tries to stop her. She falls out the window and then the dogs eat her. Okay, so that kind of begs the question then. Do we know it was a demon baby or was that maybe in her mind? Pretty sure it was a demon baby.

Like did it shoot fire out of its eyes or poop? Well, no, but there was definitely a demon. They make it pretty clear. Okay. So yes, she should have... She should have smothered the demon baby, yes. Yeah, she was trying to. All right, fair enough.

And then at the end, after the dogs eat the sister, the demon incubus pops up behind her, grab the shoulder, her eyes churn yellow, and she screams, and that's the end of the movie. Fade to black, huh? Yeah. It's fun. It's fun.

I had a really good time with this one. Like I thought it was going to be the found footage stuff through the whole thing, and he just throws a little bit of everything at it. And it works. I think the acting is relatively well done. Okay. Fucking Keith David comes on screen and kills it for two minutes. And, uh,

yeah, good movie, man. I was impressed. Well, We're going to play catch-up on this one, Brian. I have to say about that. All right. We want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Hore Returns.

You know where to reach us next week. I know Phillips going to love this one. Predator Week. We're going to check out Predator 2 and the brand new Predator Badlands. What do you guys think? I love Predator 2. I'm not 100% sold on Badlands. We'll see how it goes.

Okay. well, we're going to find out. So if we get time, I know Brian will probably do the whole fucking series. And I might try, but emphasis on if. I take a break after this month. All right. Well, that being said, Brian, until the whore returns again. Good night.