The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #495: The Blackcoat's Daughter (2015) & Keeper (2025)

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

Pedro joins us to talk about Oz Perkins. Cool of the week includes the Dodgers playoff hunt, IT: Welcome to Derry, The Descedent, and the Salvador Dali museum. Trailer is Night Patrol. The podcast spotlight shines on Dreadful Digest. And we get feedback from Jay Black, Dianna Hodges, Don Lowery, Sean Richards, Matthew Heintzman, and Dave Christopher. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR Threads: https://www.threads.net/@thehorrorreturns?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Greetings, victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the whole, the horror, return. You have found the place where the whole return. Listeners beware, this podcast contains major plot spoilers on the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. All right, welcome back, everybody, to The Hore Returns. I'm Lance, with me as always. We've got Philip, Brian, and our man, Pedro in the house coming up from the, I guess, the bench. Is that what you described last time, Pedro? I'm always coming off the bench here, and I love it.

I always love hanging around with you guys, so. Well, we appreciate it. Yeah, well, it was Oz Perkins week, so I figure it's probably right up your alley, man. No, man, come on now. You're being sarcastic. Okay. This was not an easy week to watch two back-to-back movies with this guy. But, I mean, spoiler alert, I enjoyed them both, but it's not easy getting through his movies.

Yeah, I understand that. Hour and a half movies that feel like six hours, yeah. Yeah, very, very methodical. How about that? But there's a big word. I've got some things to say for sure. All right. Well, we got a lot to cover.

You guys want to jump into Cool of the Week, Pedro? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a bunch. I mean, I've been doing a lot of stuff. Obviously, my Dodgers just won the playoffs. That kept me busy for the month of October. Just what a roller coaster ride. One of the greatest World Series of all time. Just going, you know, toe to toe with the Jays.

One of the highest rated World Series in history because of the Jays, Canada. Maltani, of course, he's kind of like all over the place, Japan. So it was kind of like a worldwide spectacle. Came down to game seven, came down to just all kinds of little mini plays that got, you know, the Dodgers over the hum. By in no way, shape, or form, do they have an easy ride to the championship? Because I know there's a lot of haters that are saying that. But, yeah, it was nice to, you know, we're back to back. So we're trying to three-peat, which hasn't been done since the Yankees did it back in 98-99-2000.

And we'll see. We'll see. But, yeah, I've been doing that. I've been watching some movies. so checked out I check out Frankenstein which I know everybody did you guys talked briefly about it last week

I think on last week's show I mean I'm not really the biggest Guillermo del Toro fan I mean I think he's a little self-indulgent a lot of the times Yeah Sometimes it comes off as pretentious with his work And it's the same thing with this one

I liked it I enjoy the movie Well I watch it again probably not I liked Oscar Isaac's performance I thought he was amazing in the movie and I really like when he was on screen you know I really like when he was on screen but when they were when they showed the POV of the monster

that's when the movie lost me like I was like come on like we're we're over here with Frankenstein Dr. Frankenstein and then we're going to switch it over for about an hour and a half it's like a long you know point of view of the monster um I like the third act a lot I thought the you know how it ends pretty good uh that was all right

I'll never watch it again though um he's like I just wanted to Hetch the Rabbits. Yeah. That's right. So innocent. Yeah.

And he's getting a lot of critical, like, reviews, like positive, the actor that portrayed Frank, the monster, I should say. And then I saw Predator Badlands, which I thought was amazing, which I, it really surprised me. Yeah. Because obviously, obviously now, you know, they're owned by, by, by Disney. So you could tell there was the disnification of the character. Yeah.

The movie. Definitely. which which was fine like if it was fun yeah it was fun i mean i had a great time with it i mean i mean i think i said it on this show i wasn't looking forward to it at all the the trailer didn't sell me on it uh the the main guy the main predator looked kind of weird he didn't look like any of the other predators but i mean they explained that in the stories so that was fine you know um and and yeah i mean the disnification of it was there it was it was you know they try to get you could tell they had merchandising in their mind a lot of the times which

is typical of Disney and I thought like the PG-13 rating I was like here we go you know Disney but there was no humans in the movie so there was no blood so they got away with it because I'll tell you this the movie's still very tense like the movie is still like if you're taking a little kid there's still that tension within the film and there's still decapitations and then you know blades through the heart and all that stuff so I was really impressed by it um i like this new this new world that this director's kind of creating for it um and we'll see where they go and i and i also like how they the i don't know i don't know the guy that played the the main predator um he did a good job in like showing emotion without actually being able to talk

or like really do much i thought i thought that was pretty good too the way we start caring for that character um even though the character is very limited in what they could do for us to care for him um i thought that was pretty good um so yeah i know really, really good movie. I think it's going to end up in my top 10 for sure now that we're kind of towards the end of the year. Yeah. Probably. So let me see what I was there. I watch. I have my list here. So when Pedro, when you see Disneyification, you were you were thrown off when they had that whole predator princess storyline. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, here we go, man. Diznification and pussyification. Go hand in hand. I still don't like the design.

of this predator. It grew on me as time went, but it was like, I don't know. I mean, I guess they explained it. I still don't like the design. Yeah, because I don't think that's how, I think that's how like young predator is supposed to look, you know, and he was a young kid. I think he was a kid. I don't know the whole, you know, mythology. Well, I know he was a run, so he wasn't like as big as the rest of him. And he looked a little different. Like maybe he was like Down syndrome predator. That I probably shouldn't have said that. Well, no, no, no, that's fine. No, that's fine.

That's within the parameters. You're using terminology that's acceptable. And it's true to life, right? I mean, there's a lot of people that would still look down on somebody that has that in their family, unfortunately. I saw The Roof Man, which is not horror, but it's just kind of going through. I saw that one. It was a good movie, but it was a little far-fetched. I don't know if that really happened.

And it was just, uh, creative liberties maybe. It was working with my anxieties because I'll tell you what, like Shannon Tatum living on the other side of that wall. Like, and he's just kicking it there. Like I'm thinking, what's to stop somebody from just peeking over doing work hours? And he just, he just has a bed there to smoke a joint. Yeah, he just literally just has a better and chilling, you know, and I'm like, what the fuck? I did watch a body cam video like where they caught some crazy lady who had been like, like living on the top of some Walmart type store dollar general fuck I don't know what it was

I can't remember but like she'd been up there for like months what damn and she I mean she was nuts the cops were pretty chill with her but like she was very obviously crazy yeah so I don't know it was a good it was a good time wasteer but I'll never watch it again it got I watched it because it was getting a good like some good reviews and I'm like it's just a basic movie But then I watched another movie that that's kind of horror adjacent House of Dynamite. Did you guys catch this one on Netflix? Not yet. Who's the number?

It's called House of Dynamite. It's about what would happen if there's like a missile that's coming down to, from Rush. Oh, it's not identified where it's coming from, but it's coming. And it kind of, it's very much like, almost like an anthology film where it's taking you from three different. I'm not going to give too much away because you guys haven't seen it. it's it's from the perspective of three different people in government and how they react to that and that because the missiles coming but they don't know who launched it so there's a lot of little possibilities

you know and it's pretty tense it's pretty tense it's it's the payoff I wasn't happy with the payoff but then again that seems to be the consensus but yeah you guys should check it out it's a it's a good little two-hour movie and it's very tense and it's riveting, but the third act is kind of wonky. So that's pretty much it. That's what I've been doing. I was out camping.

I was out in Central California over the last few days. I got to rent a cabin with some friends and just hung out in nature. And, you know, that's the cool thing about California, man. We got it all here, you know, beaches, woods, desert, mountains. Sure. Expensive bills because it's not you to live here. But it was a good time. You know, I got to recharge.

And, yeah, now I'm just looking forward to the end of the year where everything, you know, as the culture, I think we belong. We start to slow down during these last few days of the year. Makes sense. So what takes, you love Christmas, Philip? Hell yeah, man. It's coming up. I'm happy. Yeah.

Spent time with some family, cook some good food. We put the tree up tonight. Yeah. I think I convinced my wife to get a real tree this year. Yeah? He's not thrilled about it, but we're going to make it happen. That's always a good thing. All right. So what's cool of the wheat? Pedro, what takes the cake, Pedro?

I would say the Dodgers being in the hunt for that whole month of October was exhilarating. What a roller coaster was. Playoff hunt. Dodgers playoff hunt. And they took it all the way. Okay. That makes sense. Um, I got a couple little things I watched this week. Um, my wife turned on a movie called, uh, Words on the Bathroom Walls. Uh, okay.

Yeah, it's, it's sort of a young adult-ish movie, but it's about like this kid with schizophrenia. But like you're watching everything who through his point of view. It's somebody I've seen before. I can remember. Plummer, Jake, Jake Plummer, maybe, something like that. Anyway, you're seeing the whole thing through his perspective. And so all of these characters in his. mind you see popping up around and it's very chaotic and like he's got the the the hippie chick who's trying to chill him out the sexual guy who's in like boxers in a bathrobe and turning everything sexual he's got like this tough guy bodyguard dude and the darkness and so it goes through like his life in high school and trying to get into college i guess that's when it hit but i

pretty good movie about a mental illness stuff. I thought it was good. Sounds interesting. But I think my cool of the week, oh, and I did watch the first the first new episode of Landman.

Yeah. Going pretty good so far. I like that show, man. It's fun. But I think my cool of the week is going to be welcome to Derry. All right. Yeah.

I forgot to bring that up. Yeah. I've been watching it as well. Yeah, it's a pretty quality horror show. Like, I understand Steve's problem with the last episode because they had, like, the ghost kids. Yeah, the ghost kids that looked like they were, like, from a fucking haunted house at Disney World. They looked like they was on that E.T. ride, universal. Seriously.

I love that ride, Brian. but uh but i think they kind of brought it back with it with this episode the uh the the the mind reader guy in the in the military was doing his mind reading thing and that was a pretty cool scene so yeah it is getting a little how did these people you know you can't win with these people on the internet uh first i love that show first of all i think it's i think for the most part has been a home run. I know people want to see Pennywise, but that's not the point. The point is that you're seeing it.

You're seeing the entity and the entity comes out in different ways. And every single time he's come out on the show, he's very scary. Like, even as a grown-ass man that I am, like I look at some, like the, you know, the mom on the bed and I think it was episode two. That was, I haven't seen being scared like that in a while. The first scene in the pilot episode with the family, like, that's, that's all. that saw this entity giving birth to the demon babies there you go uh the the ending of the of the first episode the beginning and the ending are both amazing because you know all the expectations and you know

yeah those expectations um and people have people want the clown they're like where's the clown and it's like the clown has been there this is the clown and and and for whatever reason and i know i think they're going to explain it there's a reason why he or it whatever prefers to take the shape of a clown um but i was gonna say one of the complaints of this week on the interwebs is that uh they're gonna it's gonna be too much backstory of penny wise like like like because i because they started to like like like they're gonna tell you why he only chooses to stay in dairy and and and and the thing with the with the with the i want to know that with the native americans but you know these people always bitch about something you know so yeah that's this week that's this week's

bitch of the week. It's like, why are we learning too much about it? I thought that was cool. We got like some Pennywise backstory stuff. Like, you know, some history of it. I was like, ah, that was a really cool scene. I was right. Totally engrossed. Yeah, no, no. And connecting it to the James Raymark character, who's also we're going to talk about later on to that actor. And yeah, I've been loving it. And I can't wait to see where they go for the second half. Because I think it's already out of the back. I think Pennywise does show up in episode five, which is the one that's coming up this coming Sunday. So, yeah, I'm excited for it.

All right, Brian, what you got? Also, keeping up with it, welcome to Derry, solid so far. Checked out of some movies. I'm going to start from the bottom up. All right. Checked out Good Fortune with Aziz Ansari, Ken-O-U, Seth Rogen.

I saw that. I saw that. Where is that one? I enjoyed it for what it was. It was okay, but I don't know why Keanu was in this movie because this is probably, I mean, he's not a great actor, but this is probably one of the worst acting jobs because he felt like he was reading from a piece of paper the whole entire time. But that's his gimmick, though. He does that in every movie. And the only reason John Wick works is because the character of John Wicks is like.

that himself so that's what it worked good point yeah good but every other like he's always very stoic and just like reading off cue cards and stuff and that's his charm that's kiano's charm what's the name of the lead guy in that movie again what's his name again aziz i'm sorry yes he's i believe he wrote and directed it too his voice is very annoying like he has a very annoying super high pitched because it seems like he's kind of like like i'm looking for like muppets around him for some reason whenever he talks and they're just a little bit they're just not they're just not there and it's like bro are you like dubbing yourself like this is an overdub um so every time he would talk like it would take me out of the movie hey how you don't know are we gonna get it right

like it's like that's so weird especially doing it he's kind of like doing a voice the whole time especially doing the scenes that are supposed to be grounded you know like it was very awkward and so that but i enjoyed it for what it was okay yeah Pedro hit it right on the nose like the scene where he finally learns from his mistakes yeah oh no and then he starts talking and i'm just like i can't take you serious can't take it serious that should have been a kianno scene let's see what else i checked out i checked out tina marrera tina romero's queens of the dead uh okay zombie apocalypse happens at a drag show and drag queens and club kids battle zombies all right it's a horror comedy the comedy didn't hit and she did not reinvent what her father

helped create because it's basically the same scenario people are stuck in an area and trying to keep the zombies out that's how there you brian the LGBTQ community is going to be so upset at you you're not you're not allowed to hate that movie okay okay well if you want to send me hate mail that's the horror returns at gmail.com there you go uh have you guys did you guys ever watch death stalker in the 80s?

Yes sword and sorcery I checked out the the remake the remake done by Steven Kazanski I believe is his name Lance used uh yeah

he made psycho gorman uh huh is that the one with Kevin Sorbo I didn't realize he did that the old one I don't know if Kevin Sorbo's in it he looks like kevin sorbo okay i saw something with kevin sorboe he slimmed he doesn't there's nobody you you would recognize in this movie the it's kind of boring the only good part is is

if you know stephen kanzi's work with that and the void and other stuff he he uses all practical so everything's practical a lot of blood and guts but the story's kind of boring all right watch it for that at least right yeah but I remember those sword and sorcery movies in the 80s those fantasy adventure movies it didn't it didn't scratch that

itch for me he was trying to replicate that era but it just it didn't work for me there was quite a few back then Beastmaster that's right was the one of the big flying dog

was that one called The never-ending story The never-ending story That's another one That was kind of fantasy That was classic Legend was a favorite of mine From back back

That was another one legend Very young Tom Cruise I just ran across that On like Amazon or something Yeah But my cool of the week We'll have to go to a movie On To be called

The Decedent Huh It's a found footage movie That takes place at a funeral home Writing this down I don't think I've heard of this one It is directed by What is his name?

His name is Andrew Bauer He did that He starred and directed that movie I don't know if you guys Ever seen in Onyx the Fortuitous I've heard of it It's kind of a horror comedy

I didn't care for it But I gave this one to try He's in this movie But he's a small side character in it essentially this lady she's she does like the makeup and prosthetics for like you know funerals and stuff for dead body she has a client that she's working on that committed suicide so she has to like recreate his head and while she's doing this like strange disturbances happen

and oh this looks cool yeah it was pretty cool the effects were pretty good decent, a straightforward story. And I like the reason why there was cameras because, you know, usually you get found footage and you're like, why are they never putting down a camera? Because, you know, she's doing, she's making a tutorial also while doing her job on how to do her job. So she's got the GoPro on her head that she never takes off. Okay. So. Sounds pretty decent. Pretty decent movie. for Dewey. Tuvee's got some good shit.

Yeah. They sure did. Yeah, and I'm a sucker for like found footage stuff. Like, I'm looking forward to that one you just said. And then the Eli Roth one that just came out was called Dream Eater or something like that. Yeah, yeah. So I think that one's already out to quote unquote rent. So I'm going to take a trip to the video store and, you know, check it out.

Got out of the blog post. I have also found where to rent it. Okay. So yeah. So I'm going to check it out. Nice. All right. That was also getting good reviews.

Yeah. Unfortunately, I have not figured out where to rent Keeper. And it is only playing in a couple of theaters. Yeah. It's pretty brand new. Yeah. I found it here pretty easily, but, you know. Oh, in the theater.

Yeah. Yeah. That's all I got for this week. All right. A.J. and I went to St. Pete, St. Petersburg, Florida, near Tampa. And we went to see Phil Rosenthal. You guys know who this cat is? Is that the guy AJ is taking pictures with?

Yeah, Phil Rosenthal. He was the showrunner of Everybody Loves Raymond. That was his claim to fame, but he's got a new show on. Yeah, he's got a newer show on Netflix. I think it's in its fourth season. Somebody feed Phil, where he goes around the world and tries the different varieties of food in different countries. Yeah, got to feed Phil, which is fun.

But that's not my cool of the week. My cool of the week was we discovered, because we stayed there for the whole weekend and we discovered a really awesome art museum in St. Pete of all places, because this was a Spanish artist,

but the Salvador Dali Museum. And it was two levels, and then they had like an interactive, like a 4D film that you watch sort of in the round, and they had like a garden with different sculptures. But a lot of his original artwork, which is really super surreal.

I don't know how well you guys know Dolly and Dolly's artwork, but, but, but shall we say trippy? Yeah, they serve mushrooms at the door. Yeah, they probably should have, dude. It was a good, it was a good time. I'll say this, though, about Salvador Dali. They had a lot of his quotes around the place, and he, this dude was a little bit full of himself.

Some of his quotes were like, art will never change now that I've come on the scene. And then he had another quote. He said, if I ever die, and truthfully, I may never. Everyone will remember the name's Dolly. So I'm like, okay. He was the Kanye of his time. There you go. There you go.

But he was right in one, but wrong on the other. People remember his name, but he's not a Ron anymore. He did die. He did die. All right. Brian, got any horror headlines, man? Barely. Let's see.

Director John Watts, who was the director of the first Tom Holland Spider-Man movie. but you guys may remember horror fans may remember him for his movie clown yes one of the first movies we reviewed he wants to make a seven sequel franchise out of it no what out of clown I don't think so seven sequel franchise taking the franchise in the wild territory evil dead style

with the crazier stories and more setting or new settings the clown story yeah yeah okay all right I thought you meant the movie seven like the David Fincher one I'm like what the seven movies

I guess he has a seven sequel story already I'd like to see a sequel of that clown movie I don't know if I'd like to see seven sequels of it but we can start with one see how it goes I think he's been watching a little too much welcome to dairy he's got delusions of grandeur going here with this clown character.

It seems like all these people do. Dude, TV series are the way to go right now, I think. Movies aren't making money. Yeah, hey, look at, remember, M. Night Shyamalalal Lingdon, he said seven seasons, and we got seven seasons. Yeah, he said, and we laughed them out of the room because when we read that, he was on season one.

Right. And we're like, there's no way this guy's going to follow. And, hey, sure enough, six years later, you know, actually he got like four or five seasons, but he said it was four or five seasons. and yeah whatever whatever the number was right so yeah but uh but yeah these guys are all getting full of themselves man and they think they could you know seven movies or what that's a lot you know for for a lot for an unproven IP that's that's that's that's a lot right there yeah let's see

director rumin flasher says he's hopeful to make zombie land three in two thousand 29 which would keep up with the 10 year period in between each of uh oh philip let's nonplussed. Yeah, no, don't do that. Nobody asked for the second one. So why are we getting a third one? Like, literally nobody asked for the second one. And like Jesse Eisenberg or whatever, like what's his career looking like lately?

I know he has that, that you can't see me movie coming out this week. Which is another third sequel to a movie that nobody asked. Oh, that's right. And I think that one already came and went in the theater, Pedro. It was last week. You're right. It was last week. Yeah. Okay.

I'm actually interested in that movie. I'm not going to the theater to see it. Well, it'll be available for rent soon. The first one was cool. Yeah, it was like... And unique. The second one was kind of boring. I don't really remember anything about it.

No, do you lie. All they remember is Harry Potter shows up. Yeah. Does he? The second one I can't even remember. But then, like, Zombie Land. Dude, the original Zombie Land, is a classic. What a great

movie. Not about a classic. I would say classic. But then Zombie Larry's in there stealing the show in the middle of the movie. Like it's super funny. It's one of the greatest zombie comedies of all time. Right up there with Sean of the Dead. Sean of the Dead. Yeah. Yeah. They actually came out

around the same time, I think. Yeah. I think those two were pretty even keel. But then Zambulian too, it's like well there's a thing. There's not a Sean of the Dead two. And the thing is And there never should be Yeah

The thing is that Woody Harrison Has got to be in his mid-60s now So one of the rules To outrunning the apocalypse Is to be able to run And he can't run anymore Like I don't think he could So is he still gonna be running around

You know Yeah, that's a problem He's starting to look a little Like his name is Let's see Ruben Fletcher also said He is working on a vampire western Described as Unforgiven

Oh, boy I'm good with that There's a lot of vampire movies Yeah, we just had sinners We don't need another vampire western I agree With a message We don't need that

We're good Yeah, but like vampire cowboys That could be cool They should have the purge In like the Wild Wild West I would pay to see that one They already had that dude It was called real life

come on uh yeah but that's that that's a good little thing but anyways no vampires in the wild yeah there's been as there's a bunch of low budget movies with that you know theme and sure sure yeah i think i've seen a few of those yeah didn't wesley do one everybody was trying to make blade comparisons

probably i think so yeah that's right he did i think he did do a wild west movie vampires all right that is going to be it for new news, very, very slow news week. All right. That means it's time to... During the end of the year.

That means it's time for the trailer part. You guys ready? Yep. That's cool. All right. Don't everybody speak it once. Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and maybe another empire trailer.

What's the first two trailer tonight, Brian? Night Patrol, directed by Ryan Prow's... starring Dermont Maruni, Justin Long, and Jermaine Fowler. Synopsis goes, and L.A. cop discovers a local task force is hiding a secret that pulls the residents of his childhood neighborhood in danger. Let's go with Pedro first. I mean, it looks like it's going to be one of those, you know, very politically, infused kind of movies with a message

that's the vibe that I got African Americans trying to fight off police officers but hey I'm there for it it looked fun I mean very generic you know I mean there's nothing new and I think they should have that's a good like reveal I wish the trailer wouldn't give away

what's actually happening because it's pretty much be much better yeah yeah because the trailers through the point of view of Justin Long's character, and he's just kind of joining the force, right? And he's like another day. And then all of a sudden, something happens. And they give it away in the trailer where it tells you, you know, what the quote night patrols really is. And then it becomes this kind of like racially infused, in my opinion anyway, kind of movie that we're going to see in the third act. So I'm going to check it out. I don't even know if this is

going to get a theatrical. I don't think the actors are strong enough for a theatrical. Shutter release. Okay. That's what I figured. okay um and then uh so yeah i mean i'm gonna check it out i'm a sucker for those movies but i'm not expecting much it seems very like we've been through this before you know so yeah um but it looked interesting to me so we'll see well see and i was kind of worried about the same thing i'm relatively pro police i was going to be one there for a minute but uh i i think that the the thing being shown through just in long's eyes is uh right side it looks interesting kind of a different i think i like it Yeah, vampire cops.

It kind of goes on the more fun side. As long as the whole damn thing is not about racial stuff, I'm happy. It gave me an end of watch with vampires. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. See that. The beginning of it, for sure. Yeah.

Lance. Again, too many vampire movies, man. I don't know. You hate vampires now? This is Justin Long is it? No, I don't hate vampires at all. I'm just saying every time you get a really, good one, everybody wants to jump on ship. Everybody wants to do this. Everybody wants to do the same

type of movie. Like you have a really good Exorcist movie and then you're flooded for 10 years with horrible exercises. Besides sinners, what was the last vampire movie you watched? The last good one that I watched? No, the last one. Don't say Renfield because that one sucked. No, I liked Renfield. No, since Senters. Oh, Sentz. A Dracula movie and a vampire movie. Well, Brian, I guess we're due for a vampire.

Brian puts it that way, I guess we're due for a vampire movie. Abigail, is that just a monster? Is Abigail a monster or Vampire? Yeah, that was last year. But Brian's question was since Senters. I guess you've got a point, Brian. I don't really guess I have seen too many this year, but I don't know. like vampires being a classic monster keep them coming yeah that's true that's true

i guess it's either that or benicia del toros uh frankenstein right but that's true but okay but but i do have a question so it's so it's just in long like do they they turn do they turn on him and then kind of like like start hunting him because it seems like he's he's kind of caught in the middle of this battle like he's not taking either side and he has like a big ass wound in his chest. So I don't know what's happening there. I guess that's a good teaser for me to find out. But I don't know. I don't know if the entire movie is him like getting bit and then he's turning and we're going to get that POV of like, oh my God, I got to help these people before I actually turn and take out the, you know, I don't know. We'll see. You know what I think of

he seems like the good guy, which makes sense because it's Justin Long. Yeah, that's a good Pedro because I was a little confused on that the night patrols good or bad by the trailer. Probably bad. I mean, if you see who they're fighting, I mean, I don't think society would allow them to be anything

pub bad at this point. But there was points in the trailer. I didn't know which way they was going. Yeah. Which might be the... It is true. But then again, it has Dermal Moroni, who always plays bad guys, especially lately.

True, true. He seems to be like the cheat or whatever. The head guy in the Night Patrol. Maybe they're both bad, but Justin Long is the righteous vampire. Could be. Good be. All right, Night Patrol. I'm assuming hit shutter January 16th.

Okay. Almost here. Yeah. And that is the only trailer this week. All right. On to some listener feedback. This week we shine the podcast. Spotlight on Dreadful Digest.

Good name. The Dreadful Digest podcast is a horror theme show that dissects and analyzes the adaptations of horror novels. It compares books and film versions, often discusses details like Easter eggs and references. And we look at your favorite horror novels and rip apart their adaptations. Oh, damn. Check it out. Yeah, it sounds great. There's plenty of them out there.

Am I right, Pedro? Yep. Just Stephen King alone, they could go for like 10 seasons, right? Every year he comes out with two new novels. I don't know how he does that. He's like 80 years old. Oh, he does have another one coming. I probably should have in the news.

You ever read, I think it's a short story, if I'm not mistaken, Mr. Yummy. Mr. Yomi. I'm sure I'm sure I have. have, but I didn't hear about that one. That one's getting an adaptation. Oh, okay. That sounds naughty. Well, that sounds, that can go one of two ways.

He needs a W because the running, Running Man was a big turd this weekend in the box. Oh, no, I've been wanting to see it. You just crushed my hopes. No, I mean, I saw the film. The film's okay. I have a lot of issues. It's okay.

It's watch, but it didn't bring any money. It was a big film. Okay, gotcha. Yeah. I think theaters are dead. yeah it's just is what it is yeah yeah i wonder i wonder if some of these like ten-pole movies like the avengers are going to bring people back maybe not i don't know because they didn't really do that last year or this year you know uh superman will underperform even though they try

to promote it like it was a big hit it made 500 million domestic when was the last time like a superman you're hovering around one billion with that kind of franchise you should be yeah but but they i don't i don't think they're going for those no more those billions yeah i think i think they were they were selling for superman right i think they were making their money elsewhere hmm yeah it kind of reminds me of those like box office from the 80s you know where you would see like batman opened up to like 20 million dollars and that was a big deal you know right and that was like 80s money it was 80s money you know it seems like we're going back to that now it's just weird like like the running man made like like 10 million or something like that's it

yeah it was a big like I kind of want to watch Running Man and I totally would I do too I really want to watch it was on Netflix but I'm not going to go to the theater to see it little eyes that's right he looks like a dickhead

they were they were eyeing them for the next Indiana Jones so we'll see you know what yeah yeah every character I've seen him do has got this like cocky thing about him even the way it is the football one, which was pretty funny.

Oh, AJ's watching that. The TV show? Yeah. Yeah, AJ's watching that. But I watched the first few episodes. It's pretty good. All right. And we got an email from our pal J. Black. He said, hey there, my brothers and sister.

Lance, I don't judge. Your old pal, Jay Black here. I just finished the Black phone two episode. How appropriate, Jay, black the black phone and had to go back for spoilers uh you know I'm a month late Brian stopped yelling at me

uh gotta tell you I really did love this movie a lot more than I thought I would Lance I think you hit it right on the head it was uh it was the aesthetics and sound and just the old kind of VHS style visual on the dreams that really put it over the top for me uh yeah I did have a little bit of Freddie

Cooger and Jason before he's in it sure why not but when it was when was the last time we had a really good freddie and jason movie so if this is going to fill the void i'll take it uh what was the one with the pov shot over and over again that i hate oh yeah that was i guess for the consensus not for me for the consensus it was the last time we had a good jason movie um but i'm going to give another spoiler i'm going to give another spoiler and i'll get more it was a cool idea it just really went over we know we're talking about Yes, we are in nature. We are in bio nature, yeah.

Okay, so I'm going to give another spoiler and I'll get more into it when we do that. We're not, because I usually come on next month for the official list. Black Phone 2, bottom 10 for me. Oh, no. I couldn't. I'll just say this and we'll move on. I couldn't get over the fact that Scott Derrickson said that he had absolutely no idea how to do this franchise. And the only reason they came back with it was because part one was so successful.

And you could tell when you watch the movie They try to, but they try to like pigeon hole And like stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like come. Yeah. So anyways, bottom 10 for me.

I get it drastically changes. And I'll get more. You're not alone. Oh, I know. I know. There's a lot of people that really hated that movie. But I'll get more into the next month. But yeah.

Okay. Black phone too. All right. He says, I do like the different style where all the deaths were in the past. And they didn't go through the trope of killing off the current character. like the camp counselor, which you could have seen a mile away coming, of him dying in the ice. I appreciated that they didn't go that route and doing things a little different.

One of the best things that I did enjoy is you actually never see Ethan Hawke's face. He did all the acting, wore the makeup, with his name being top billing, and a sequel to boot. And it's amazing that an actor of his caliber would still do this and be like, it's okay if you don't get to see my face. Great style going that way. I'm sure the paycheck had a lot to do with it. And also, for what I remember in part one, he doesn't really show his face either.

I mean, when he's to sleep on the chair, he's wearing the mask, right? Is he or did I, Mandela affected myself? Oh, you're right. Even when he's out in public, he's wearing a hat and sunglasses. Yeah, so you don't really see his face. Man, the guy was asleep with the mask on. I mean, come on. All in all, enjoyed this movie.

8.5 out of 10. Damn. Oh, okay. All right. I was there with you all the debate it live. Opposite end of the spectrum. He should have debated with Pedro.

We ought to do a special show just for that. Jay Black against Pedro. I'll go for it. I'll pay for that. Speaking of, Lance, when are we going to do those Ed Gein episodes? Hmm.

Y'all are killing it. Love listening to guys every week. Miss you and love y'all. Have a good one. That's right after they finish the Hannibal episodes. That's right. up right next after that.

We're working on it, aren't we, Brian? It's coming. It's coming. It works. Yeah, I think before that, we'll probably have some Edgene stuff coming out. So we'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes, Jay. But thanks for writing in, dude.

It's great to get an actual full email, you know? Yeah, appreciate it, Jay. Yeah, we need to get Jay back on. He hasn't been on since, what, Center's episode? Yeah, I was on with him for that one. Yeah, I was on with him for that. Overdue. Uh, and in regards to the substance, Diana Hodges said, really good movie.

No, I don't know. That's a really great movie, in my opinion. Yeah. Uh, she's in, she's in the new landman thing, too. Demi? Yeah. Did me? No shit. Okay. I'm pretty sure it's her. I don't know. Are they on season two? It's an old lady that's had a lot of work done. It looks like her. A little lady. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I think she's in it. I saw a poster. I see half of Hollywood. So is it, sorry to interrupt, season two or three? Season two. Yeah, the first episode of season two is out. All right.

And in regards to the blob fan poster, Matthew Heinzman says that's an awesome fucking poster. Agreed. Yeah, I don't know where Brian finds these posters, but that was pretty badass. Let's see. And in regards to the Friday the 13th behind the scenes, Don Lowry says also a cutscene, the original X-rated version in Holland, was the only unrated or X-rated version,

but it shows his demise. Also, please check out our Facebook group for this link. Sean Richards says documentary I did on the film via smoking zombie films. Oh. Who was that? Sean Richards. Sean Richards.

All right. So there's a documentary. I'm sure Nes will see it if he hasn't already. Friday of the 13th behind scenes. On smoking zombies? Smoking zombie films. I guess that's a production company. Oh, okay.

I thought he made a documentary on smoking zombies. I'm like, what are we talking about? No, I think that was his documentary, the Friday of the 13th behind the scenes. He just happened to pop up on our Facebook. group that's cool book them have them on yeah uh in regards to silent night deadly night dave christopher says uh whoever decided to remake this classic horror flick needs to be punished classic all caps classic i like it what you i mean i can't get over the fact that

it's going to have the the Halloween ends kid i cannot get over i don't like that guy i don't like I'm sorry to say but it wasn't it wasn't his fault right it was not his fault I'm pretty I'll say that right now yeah but the fact that he's tied to Halloween ends for the rest of his life means that I'm bothered by his presence because that character was so bad and just it just it fucks with me I can't see him in anything else um and and so I can't remember what he looks like I couldn't I couldn't pick him out of a lineup Andrew yeah but anyways Silent Night, I think comes out next month. So we'll see.

And he's going to be the main character. He's the naughty or nice guy, whatever his name is. Billy? Billy, there you go. Yeah, that's like that kid that played Joffrey. In Game of Thrones, he can't work in Hollywood anymore. He had to retire, man. He had to go into treatment for mental health.

He could play another asshole really well. True, true. I've never hated another character that much in my life. I can't think of anybody who didn't agree with that. All right. That's it for listener feedback. Our intro and logos come from Steve Carlton

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That'd be awesome. All right, on to featured attractions. It's time for Oz Perkins week. All right, let's do it. The Black Coates Daughter from 2015. During winter break, two students stay in an all-girls boarding school in the company of a terrifying presence. Director and writer is Osgood Perkins,

also known for long legs and smothers. this week The monkey Yeah That Hensel and Greto That I'd rather watch paint dry It's so damn boring Oh that was him wasn't it

And he's got And he made his first one before this one The house that talked to me Or some wacky boogey name like that I forget Yeah I never saw that one I am the pretty one that lives in that The pretty thing that lives in the house

I like that one I like that No I'm sure the movie's good Because he makes good movies but those kind of names come on bro like a little pretentious for remembering that long ass name he doesn't remember what you guys

covered last week but he remember that name exactly my memory is a weird thing very selective it gets that way as you get older the week all of Emma Roberts outdoor scenes were filmed was the coldest weather and recorded history on Canada's capitals city. Ooh.

Damn. Good to know. All right. Pedro, what do you think about the Black Coats' daughter? I remember when this movie... An Osgood fan.

No, I won't go that far. But I remember when this movie came out 10 years ago, and it was the darling of the festival circuit. Everybody... This is the movie that put him on the map, actually, even though he had that one

with that long as name previously. And it's weird because he, him and tie west to me are the same kind of like the way they yeah totally the guy i've never i've never been so bored but but like engaged at the same time these guys have a weird effect on me like their movies are their movies tend to be very slow and methodical but yet like i know i'm i'm interested but at the same time i'm not really interested and i know i'll never watch it again so with all that said i really like this movie i think this movie is uh original the way they

they framed the movie with the kind of like the three stories going on um for for the for the first feature we always talk spoilers right like yeah because it's an old movie i i didn't i didn't like the way that it was two different actresses that were playing cat i thought that was a little bit of a cop-out because it's like nothing like each other right so i thought like that's kind of a bait and switch because you can't say that you fooled us because it was two different people playing that character it was like the the reveal was the little bit of a bait and switch to me. I thought there was...

It wasn't even really that much of a reveal either. Like, man, they were vague about everything. Well, I mean, in the beginning, you're kind of wondering who this girl is that came out of like the, you know, the insane asylum, for lack of a better term. And you're wondering what's going on with the very pervy, like, James Remark character. Right. Totally wondering. Who's like, I think he's straight up, like, priming her and some shit, especially during that

diner scene um but but so you're wondering how the writing dude everybody in this movie was fucking weird true so you're wondering so you're wondering how is that connected how is the emma robert's story connected to the other story right we don't know that and obviously at the end that's what i mean by reveal they reveal it at the end even those two different actresses which is which is a cop out cop out i agree and then i also think that the story was very thin it was essentially it's a girl that lost her parents and she gets possessed and we don't even know if that really happens

but she's talking to this demon and then she just loses her shit and she kills everyone the end and they just stretch this out how many times take a shot every time somebody just walking into like a hallway like trying to go into a door

there's at least five scenes like that that eat up like four minutes if you hated in a violent nature this was like just get open the fucking door ready get in But the performances were all really good It was very tense

Which I think is one of Perkins's strengths He just knows how to build that atmosphere Keepers the same way where And that's why I think it's hard for us To give up on a movie like kids Because even though Even though it's moving very slow The tension is what keeps us engaged

And it's the same thing with this movie Like there's there you could just feel something's off And then obviously they reveal it at the end But yeah I like this movie. Again, I hadn't seen it in 10 years. I saw when it first came out. I saw it again today.

And I liked it. It wouldn't be part of my collection, but it was, it's a good movie. All right. Brian, what do you think? It's not the best movie out of his filmography, but I do like it. It's mostly based off of Kieran and Shikka, the younger version of Kat, her performance. yeah i didn't i didn't i didn't really care for the reveal of the emma roberts was the older version of her because they just you could have got somebody that looked closer together

whether it be easily different actress and carrying a shipgoer a different actress than emma roberts i did like the the story being told in what was it like three parts basically yeah broken down like that but man is just nobody to fucking really like in this movie and root for everybody. Nobody to root for, huh? Right down to the headmaster

of the school, the nuns at the school are terrible. So were the nuns at the school really devil worshippers? Is that how the demon got there? I don't know how the demon got there. Possibly. There was definitely some lore

there, right? Like stories that had been passed down, but... That might have been a misdirect, too. She kept bringing up the headmaster. Like, she was always having conversations with him. She was going to go live with him and stuff like that. And he never really confirmed or denied anything. He never even showed back up.

I shall neither confirm or denied. He showed back up when they found the nuns did when he showed up with the cop. Oh, okay. But by his reaction, I don't think none of that was, even true of what she was saying because he looked pretty shocked when he found the bodies. But I've never been, this is one of those movies, I've never been so uninterested and interested in a movie because there was times where I was completely checked out and then something would happen and then I would just be kind of glued to the screen.

And then I would be checked right back out again. Ross Perkins has that power. Like, you could do that. You know, it's just, I don't know how he does it, but there's a few of his movies where I feel that way. It's like, man, it's just boring, but I can't take my eyes off of it. Yeah. What a great description.

Yeah, like I said, not one of his best, but definitely not one of his worst. Like Pedro, I'll probably never watch this. This is my second time also watching this. I also watched it when it came out. And again, for this review, and I'll probably never watch it again. Not that it's not watchable. It's just not, it doesn't have that rewatchability for me. like i want to go back and see it again also what is a black coat yeah there was a lot of

there was a lot of symbolism in this movie as well and and i think it was one of those this was the beginning of the whole like processing trauma era that horror got into like especially like what they called elevated horror which okay processing trauma okay yeah so so i think again this is this is kind of like the start of it then now we've had a bunch of movies like this and and now they're starting to wear a little thin on me like i get it you know everybody processes trauma different so a lot of this point of view i think is through like the like the cat character and because she's processing the death of her parents um and you know through those like weird phone calls she's getting and then finally she got the news that they did die did they had

were they already dead yeah that's that's my thing where they already dead and then that was her trying to process that and finally when they finally told her that they did die maybe that was her just coming to terms with it um and maybe in her mom mind if she kills and decapitates all these people she's going to get her parents back so there's a lot going on it's like a whole like you know symbolism there i maybe that's that's what the name refers to she thought if she killed and decapitated these people that she would get the demon back because she seemed yeah disappointed that the demon was that's right that was what she was doing she was trying to offer up those sacrifices sacrifices she went back to the boiler room

but the boiler was cold and there was no sign of anything and she was just kind of essentially heartbroken. That last scene she's crying in the middle of the road because he didn't come back for her. And she's finally alone. Yeah, and actually the original

name for this movie was called February. I don't know why either. It makes no sense either. But the reason that they made them change it was because back in the day when we had the red box selections it was like the B came before the F. So they figured, you know, you got to change the name. I do remember he was

he made he did an interview and he was talking about that how they made them change the name originally was called February I don't think either of those names are I thought it was going to be like a period piece or something I think I did too February meaning that I think all the kids are taking their break from school in the month of February for some reason that's what I would have figured yeah I mean it makes more sense it's not a great name for a movie but all right What did you think? Yeah, I thought this movie was a little, yeah, a little bit all over the place.

You know, there was, it was interesting the way that they had different things going on at different timeframes. And you, like you guys brought up, you couldn't really tell, you know, what had happened sometimes at certain scenes. Like it was, it was kind of hard to tell. And then, yeah, as Pedro mentioned, it was very off-putting. I don't know if it was necessarily a cheat so much, but it was really off-putting that they had two completely different, actresses playing the same character that were supposed to be just a few years of part of God

they'll never guess this of course we fucking wouldn't yeah well yeah I know so in my opinion I think I think Osgood Perkins was was on to a lot here and there was probably a lot more to it that we just didn't pick up on but I'm not sure if he had the same

skill that he develops later in his career in my opinion this this was for black you know it was his first film so gotta give him a break that's what I was thinking. Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. It's some really good kernels of ideas. One thing I really, really enjoyed about this movie

that I thought was super unique, and I've never seen it before, is because, okay, like I said, I was saying earlier jokingly, so you get one good exorcist movie, and then you get 16,000. So one thing, what all those exorcism movies have always had in common,

is they're like better off without the demon. They're happy to be rid of the demon. They're glad to be free of the demon. and this one kind of wanted it. It was kind of weird. Like, what the hell? And that weird shot, and Osgood's good with this, and he's really good in the new movie with this,

just barely showing that shadow of maybe something with horns, kind of in the background, you know, when the exorcism was performed, but you couldn't really tell if it was really there or not. Well, and it was in some of the earlier scenes, too. And I was like, is I just some shit in the background, or am I supposed to be seeing that? Okay, I'm looking at a black,

coat's daughter is okay the black coat's daughter would be basically she would be related to a clergyman or a priest okay and you've got the priest in there and you've also got Remar's character that he wasn't a priest right makes even less sense I know it's kind of weird but yeah stay with me here Philip did Rebar wasn't a priest right but he had oh but he was religious was filmed okay but yes at the diner it look like he had a collar on for a second. But he wasn't even her

dad. He was the other girl's dad. I know there's a lot of weird, twisted mixed up stuff here, right? I just don't think he quite nailed it. But I kind of like that, I like that concept of, you know, it's not like you're trying to get rid of this demon and your life's better off without it.

You're actually kind of like depressed. And kind of like, well, what do I do now? I kind of want to be a hellraiser, you know? I don't know. It's just a different way of looking at it. It's just not the usual trope and I thought that was kind of original and maybe that was the the grief of the parents dying or something yeah could be because like you know the parents are dead she's alone the demons there she's not alone anymore now the demon's gone she's alone again yeah because they do

in the beginning they do talk a lot about like oh aren't your parents gonna call you like everybody's kind of going with their families and getting these phone calls including rose you know she's talking to her folks um and and and and and so i think although it seems like the school would have known if her parents were already dead so maybe she was having like a premonition yeah oh hadn't thought about that hmm anyway uh but yeah no i think it i think it was good it had good tension and like i feel like it was missing something like i needed something big in the in the beginning to go wait how did that happen and then we slowly figure out how that happened the way they did it i can definitely see them yeah the way they did it was like

well something's going to happen and we're slowly going to figure it out but we're not going to tell you what it is and i'm like well but then but then what do i care you know so like especially for the the first probably half hour of the movie it was like stuff that was happening was very tense and it and it was like it was nothing but right i i was kind of hung on it you know but i was like why am i why am i so hung on this right i need a reason to to to follow what they're doing otherwise i don't really care like why what are we doing here you know he just sort of goes through this long diatribe of stuff without showing us the what we're trying to to figure out you know like a crime movie or whatever right law and order every episode they

show you the crime and then they have to figure it out we didn't get to see the crime we just got to watch them try to figure it out true but i think i think he got i think he got better at that because even with keeper as we'll talk about he does throw a little more crumbs at you along the way so that you don't get kind of bored or whatever not not that it was the most excited movie either but but there's a little more crumbs along the way um that are kind of part of a bigger puzzle and so yeah so he did improve on that as he went on with his career but it was it was a cool collection of creepy intense psychoish scenes you know which he seems to be really good at the dialogue was great because every single character was super fucking awkward and every

interaction they had with anybody uh so i'm i'm gonna blame that on the writing Yeah, not the best dialogue, right? Or the best delivery by the characters either. Well, I mean, I think they were doing what they could with the dialogue that they had. Like, you know, the weird wife in the car that was talking about her dead daughter, and she went on a whole monologue about it. I mean, it was like straight out of a theater, you know? And that seems to be where the...

That's like not how a real person would interact. It's weird. Yeah, because it was like... But a lot of that too, which was Lauren Hawley, by the way, which I hadn't seen a movie in a long time. But it was weird because it was there just to serve the plot. So when we watch it again, we could say, aha, all right. Because she was like, there was a cheesy scene where she was like,

do you tell everybody that you meet that your daughter was murdered? And I'm like, come on. Like, that's so on the nose, you know, like, relax. And there was no buildup to that. She just got upset. I don't know. And she just started, like, giving all this exposition about what? We're about to find out.

Yeah, because all you needed was that one scene where she sees the picture of their daughter and then she goes in the bathroom and then she laughs. Yeah. And then you reveal later that, you know, she's the older version of cat and she killed Rose. I thought that would play it a lot better than the whole wife explaining things in the car. Yeah. Like, I'm okay with not knowing what the fuck is going on, but I need to have a reason to not know what the fuck is going on. on. You know, you can't just throw a bunch of random ass scenes at me.

Right. But having said that, though, I actually did like the movie. I think it is especially as one of his first efforts. He was kind of building up to something. And there's definitely some talent there.

Yeah. Do you guys ever watch Hansel and Gretel? Because that movie's really boring. Like really we reviewed it. Okay. a time. Yeah. Maybe I was on here.

Way, way back then. Once upon a time. Hansel and Gretel. I have no desire to watch it again. I know that. It's been a while. It wasn't super memorable, was it, Brian? I don't remember.

I don't either. Remember that one girl from the It movie was in it. That's all happened. That's right. That's right. Yes. That's right. and she's good so with her it should have been better right all right uh scores Pedro what do you think

i'm gonna go seven on 10 it's a solid movie you know i don't regret watching it but it's not a movie that i'm gonna go back to and then there's a lot of like little things that i don't really agree with the acting sure some of the writing um using two actresses uh so yeah i'm gonna go seven on 10 all right brian i'm also gonna go seven and that's based off kieran and ship uh i like what she did in this movie even uh flash forward to long legs her little cameo scene where she's the unhinged uh mental patient i like to see her like play that kind of role but in like a major character and something else it's got to be coming maybe that maybe that character is this character and long legs takes

plays in between this movie because i hadn't thought about that she was she was in the asylum for a while so we don't know so she changed changed to emma roverson changed back to karen ship the demon the demon the demon changed her yeah he's in the osgood universe that's right lance what do you think i'll go six and a half i i just think the story wasn't quite there is two all over the place and i i think it was tightened up a little bit better you know and had they used like the same actress but maybe changed a few things about about her. I probably would have jumped up a little bit, but not bad, not a bad movie.

Yeah, or if they had used the other actress and Emma Roberts, because they looked similar. Yeah. I think that might have worked. Um, oh, I'm going to go, I'll go seven to. I think I really liked it. It would, yeah, I mean, I definitely have my complaints about it, but it was, uh, it was still a solid movie. A little bit of it was just

vague on purpose to like try to be artsy. Yeah, but probably so, yeah. But that's kind of fun. So I'll think it. At least they had some real answers. It wasn't like so vague that it didn't make any sense.

It just didn't make any sense while you were watching it. Now I kind of want to watch it. Having known what happened. Not really. It was really slow. All right. On to Keeper, 2025. A romantic anniversary trip to a secluded cabin turned sinister when a dark presence reveals itself, forcing a couple to confront the property's haunting past.

Director is Osgood Perkins. Writer is Nick Leopard, also known for dangerous animals. Okay. All right. A teaser trailer for Keeper appeared at the end of the Osgood Perkin films, The Monkey. Oh. I don't even know it. I don't think I stayed for it.

Man. All right. Pedro, what do you think about Keeper? Another one that I enjoyed. I had absolutely no, I wasn't going to go see this one. I went to go see it because I was on going to be on this show. Well, I went to go see The Running Man, and then I snuck into this one. There you go.

And just because it was starting, like, as soon as the running man ended it, this one was already starting. So there's no bit in there anyway. But I enjoyed it. No, that wasn't. You guys said it was one person way at the top. But it was one chick actually, one girl, like a, like a, you know, maybe in her like late 20s, which always makes me feel weird because. Yeah. Well, I mean, she's going to see like this creepy dude walking in, A.E. Me.

Right. And it's like, he's by himself. And then she's going to be like, well, what the fuck is up with this guy? Why does he want to watch it? It's just people in the fucking theater, you know? I bet he's going to take his dick out that Pete. I don't worry about that too much. So at least it wasn't like a Disney movie, like a cartoon or something.

But no, I really like this movie. I thought it was another one that, you know, you're pulling the layers, right? And then you're getting a little more information, more information. Really like the third act. it was a good payoff, not a great payout, but a really good payoff to everything. Do have some questions along the way, which I'll get into spoilers. But I really like it. I mean, I didn't think the main actress had a lot of, like, character development.

Like, we really didn't know much about her to where I feel like if we would have gotten to know her a little more, we would have cared more as her stories developing in the movie. But we had enough to where it was like, okay, this is intriguing. Yeah, and then, like, you know, again, it's. You get all the reveals in the third act, which was great. Then I do have some questions about that. Like, the ending was kind of weird. Okay.

But I really enjoyed it. I thought everybody did a good job. It's funny because you're wondering, like, is this going to be like a crazy lady movie? Like, is that what is this turning into? Like, what's happening? But it's really not that. It's actually, you know, she's being manipulated in a lot of different ways. So that was kind of cool because that's kind of where I was going to.

Like, what's going on with this girl? Like, you know. They made you think. I thought it was a trauma movie. Like maybe this is just processing her trauma or whatever. But that wasn't it at all. And so that was kind of, again, subverting my expectations there. And, yeah, I thought everybody was really, really good in the movie.

The brother did a good job. The main guy who's like one of the Sutherland brothers, which I didn't even know. There's another one. Kiefer and Donald and I guess there was this guy too. So, yeah. So I don't know. get into spoilers i'm gonna say that i really enjoyed it i mean i enjoyed it not really enjoyed it so yeah it was a positive experience to go watch it so you wanted more character development of the main

actress but yeah that's my that's what that's one of my little things and and not to take your thunderlands i'll let you be get more into detail if you want but i did see a little bit of a uh a woke agenda a little bit a little bit you know but we'll get into it and i'm not gonna say that yeah i wouldn't say i wouldn't put it that way man i i will say though that that if he spent too much time on character development, Pedro, you couldn't get those five-minute shots of opening a door. So you've got to... Yeah, that's true.

You've got to decide what to put in. All right. Brian? Didn't watch it. Uh-oh. Didn't have time. That's okay. I had plans on watching this and Running Man. I had planned a day to do a double feature,

and I couldn't make it to either one. Okay. Yeah, that's all right. Lance, what do you think? I kind of fucking love this movie, really, at the end of the day. And the more I thought about it, the more I, you know, like left the theater. Because it does fuck with your head throughout the movie. And Petro's right.

It pays off. And it's much more straightforward than I thought it was going to be. I thought it was going to be something real esoteric. But no, that's, you know, literally what it is. It's what the story that the dude describes is what happened. There's obvious a lot more to it. dude it's all symbolism right from the kept woman concept to the box to the cake it's like everything's total symbolism in this thing right the patriarch key you know all that stuff of course of

course but yeah i uh i i like i like the way that it was shot you man i thought it was it was gorgeously shot from the beginning there were some super weird um shots like for example like well i try not to go into spoilers right but like that one was seen where she's sitting in the bathtub and you see the water. And I'm kind of like, are we going to, is this just going to get cheesy here with bad special effects of like ghosts and stuff like that? Is this just a straightforward ghost story? I really don't want that.

I was expecting to sleep with the fish man. I was expecting my cost to start coming up between her legs, you know. I did too. Yeah, with that real soapy water where you couldn't see what was going under the surface. And by the way, by the way, both these films, Osgoard Good Perkins had shots of young women and bathtubs with their feet exposed. So there may be a Quentin Tarantino thing. Maybe on here, I don't know. He's into his feet.

Yeah, I don't blame them. At least he's into clean ones. That's true. Very much so, yes. Tarantino is not. That's the difference. All right. So, yeah, so I wouldn't say woke agenda, man.

I wouldn't phrase it that way. Number one, we've taken that phrase and we've bastardized it so badly over the last eight to ten years from what the original intention was in that phrase that I'm kind of afraid. But it was, I feel like it was kind of like a little bit of a feminist movie. Very, well, kind of, right? But I mean, it was also the shoe was on the other foot too, because it also showed not only the manipulation of certain people and the way it's been that way over the centuries, right? but but you also got the um you kind of got a taste of but but then again people allow themselves

to be manipulated right like they put themselves into these weird situations like all the red flags are flashing right but you still go into that spot but it worked for both characters in a weird yes i like that you're right i do like that it was very neutral when it came like like like the her character the main actress who was she hooked by the way so she needed a double you because She took a lot of shit for that show. I didn't hate it. She's a little materialistic. You know, she's a painter.

So, you know, she's struggling financially. So she lashes on to this, like, like, doctor guy. And, you know, he takes her to the beautiful cabin in the woods because he's got money and all that stuff. So, yeah, it was definitely playing on those tropes of, like, you know, women looking for men with power, which is, I thought it was, because that's based on reality. You know, a lot of women do prefer that. wrong with it as there's a reality. So I'd really enjoy that part because it was very, it was very grounded. And then I also feel like when everything's revealed, I also feel like the villain. And again, I'm trying to be vague. There was a little bit of tragedy to the villain too

because they were stuck. They were stuck in a very repetitious cycle of things they couldn't get out of. But then again, they were getting compensated, right? They were getting compensated. Compensated. Highly compensated. And I say they, because there's more than one, by the way. Right. And so they were getting compensated for something. Yeah. And so it was interesting to me. It was very, very fair when it came to the writing. Yeah, really good movie. I really enjoyed it a lot. And it kind of, and it's one of those movies. I like these movies where you haven't, I hadn't really watched the trailer, had no idea what was it going to be about. I just know that it was going to be slow because it's Oswood Perkins. And I just sat there and it just kind of reeled me in. like you know it does that yeah it does i was perking up i was like oh shoot okay when i were going here here here um and by the end i was all in and i was very excited and happy to have watched it yeah the way this movie uh worked with me is like so real early on i was like okay it looks yeah it looks like kind of a straightforward story and they've even got tropes they're going over the top

with the tropes right like the cabin in the woods right right on the nose and you think okay this is going to be really on the nose and then super weird stuff starts happening and like you think one particular character seems seems very not necessarily innocent but maybe kind of docile i don't know how to describe it with i agree with you yeah going into spoiler territory and then you think this other character's very douchebaggy very over the top like obvious villain type thing and then you you find out you know the truth of it and then they talk about other people that are even they said well well you can't say it yet never mind yeah um so to keep my train of thought, but once you got

past that first, I don't know, 15, 20 minutes of the movie, that felt very tropeish, very tropish. And once you get past that, like weird little things start happening. And then I love the way that the photography was because things would be just barely off.

Like you'd have somebody and you'd be, the camera would be right on their pupils and one of them would be just slightly off. They, like they use maybe a little CGI or something. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, he's good at that. Yeah. He's good at that. at those little like creepy camera shots weird shadows in the background osgood perkins is going

to find the right movie at some point and win some monsters yeah well long list was almost that but i mean you know everybody like long legs i i thought it was a little overrated but everybody loved it so that's fine um so yeah no he's on his way he's on his way for sure what did what'd you think about the uh the effects the uh the design i love them i thought it was really really well done. Yeah, yeah, no, they were all very well done, even the middle, because we have some wacky stuff going on in the middle of the movie, true, true. With effects and creatures, I thought they were all very well done for sure. All right, we're going to start spoiling here soon, aren't we, if we keep talking. All right, well, let's do scores because I didn't see it

either. Pedro, what do you think? I'm going to give it an eight on ten. I have to watch it again, and I will watch it again. I'm going to give it an eight on ten. Maybe it could hover on my top 10 we'll see i have to make the list but it was really good both of you should get out there well philip i don't think it's going to come to your area if it's not there already oh i'll find it at some point but you're probably going to have to run it at some point once once it's available yeah so uh yeah but both of you should definitely watch it um it it was it's a really good movie not not necessarily original very tropey but it's a good payoff as well okay lans 10 yeah i'll go i'll go eight and a half it's uh it it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's

It's up there for me. Yeah, it was one of those that after I left the movie theater, like it fucks you up a lot, and then you get a really good explanation at the end, really? It's kind of, there's a few questions about the explanation per se, but at least they explain it to you, you know, so they don't kind of just leave you wondering, is it this, is it that, or whatever.

And I was really worried it was going to do that, and I like that. But, yeah, I would say that it's, I don't know, an hour, after the film when I got home two hours sleeping on it the next morning I was like holy fucking shit that was a really damn good movie it had a lot of good stuff in it I'm with you I'm with you and and you know what it is Lance as I'm hearing this conversation I think the payoff was really good I can't I I feel like with like I feel

like with all because it's all build up the whole movies build up I would say the about an hour and 10 minutes to this movie build up build up build up you don't really know what's happening and you think you know what's happening but that's not really what's happening and then they hit you with the payoff and that's when it's like this is a goddamn good payoff and that's really what made the movie great to me just because it's all about any movie it's all about how it ends do you know um and so this one definitely hit the landing for sure sounds like uh osgood perkins is good enough at like good at being vague enough to make you think about it but not so vague that it doesn't make any sense yes no

he is he's not like he's not like a david lynch kind of guy where you have to kind of like do research and yeah introspect your own identity to find out what the hell's going on yeah but but but then you wonder why the hell did he do the monkey that's like so like so like so different yeah jarring if you're yeah maybe he just wanted to have a good time and just kind of like i think so or maybe it was a paycheck movie we don't know but but it's all that that's always that that movie's always going to stand out in his filmography. It's just a weird choice that he made. Agreed.

It was a weird one. Although I'll always remember that pool scene. Yeah, having a chair going up in the pool. The bus at the end for no reason. People dying on the school bus or whatever. Right. But yeah. So.

All right. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Spoilers, but I don't know if we want to do that here, man.

Did we, Pedro, were these two guys... It's up to you, Lance. Whatever you are. You guys can go ahead and spoil that. I don't mind. I don't really know if we need to spoil the big twist. Okay. You know, I kind of want to do that for the listeners too, right?

Because what if a lot of people don't choose to see this? And then they're listening for the spoilers. They're like, God damn it, no, I got to see it. Oh, no. I mean, do you want to talk about just the payoff, Petra? Yeah, so I'll just say this, and I'll still try to be vague. I did have a problem. No, not a problem.

I just didn't have an answer, I guess you could say, why did they finally choose her to give those people their comeuppance? Like, because they had so many other women come and go. Why do they choose her to finally be the one? And I think the answer is in the movie. We just have to watch it again because I have a theory. the person looks like the other person from back in the day when they first discovered that creature

and so I do wonder why her and that's really my only issue with it like I wish it would have been more clear but I'm going to go under the assumption that the answer is in the movie I just probably missed it and other than that I think the way the brother goes was weird because he was kind of like a big villain himself

and he just kind of And it was kind of too, too easy. Yeah, and to me that's- Considering they hadn't done that in the 200 years. Right, and then he just kind of shows him being pulled up the roof and we never see him again. But that tells me that the revenge plot was in motion the moment that the girl got there, you know?

Because the brother perishes pretty early on. That actually builds up my theory a little bit. Yeah, so other than that, that's all I'll spoil. I mean, I just wonder why they chose her to be the one that finally takes care of all this. And, yeah, because there was a throwaway line of like, you're the chosen one or something, when they all get her down in the basement. But other than that, which was a good effect when the creature took the bag out of her head. A great effect, man.

And not even the best one. No. There were a lot of good effects. A lot of elongated necks and smoke monsters and a lot of hard. I don't know why she had to eat that pie. Like, what is that, like, what happens when you eat that pie, you know? Because that's kind of a big thing, like plot device in the movie. But yeah, that's pretty much I'll all say.

That was my only little griped with it. Like, why was she the chosen one? And the brother kind of dies kind of easy. But what do you got to say? Well, she did say, I feel like I'm on mushrooms while I'm here, right? And that was after she'd scarf that whole pie that night. So it's something the creatures had put together for sure, right? So is it like, I don't know.

That's kind of a tough one. My biggest theory to what you were speaking to, man, about why was she the chosen one to end the cycle of abuse, right? 200 years of male domination abuse or whatever you want to call it. That's right. Right. Okay. So I think she literally was the same person. Oh, okay.

That goes into like the cycle type thing, right? And like reincarnation. if you choose to call it reincarnation or just the same character that came back again. But yeah, I mean, I think that makes the most sense to me. But I guess somebody can have their own theory

and idea about that. At least they didn't use two completely different-looking actresses like the black ones. Oh, they did it. No, that was, they did it. But I feel like the doctor would have picked up on her when he met her at the coffee shop. That's what trapped him to her too, man.

Because he was in love with her. Because that was his original, he was like atoning for his original sin with yeah yeah so i don't know and i like how oswood perkins made sure that he could keep the IP going because there's a sure where he goes down to the basement and there's a lot of women in the little the little the little momentals that he can do a welcome to dairy type series right so os perkin is like i'll get i'll get 20 movies out of this because there's a or a series it's a movie you know right we could have we could have another creep tapes in our hands with this character.

Right? What was with the honey at the end? Well, they say they used honey back in the olden days to preserve things, right? Yeah, something like that.

Okay, well, that's an easy one then. That makes sense. All right? That's enough, right? Yeah, that's enough. People need to watch this movie. Yeah, it's, it'll,

it'll be what I'm thinking about for a long, long time to come, you know? I can't wait. I did want to watch this movie. He just wasn't playing anywhere close. I think you'll be able to pretty soon, right?

Is it a neon? or is it it's not a neon for reason no it's neon uh where do the neon movies usually end up brian on the internet okay fair fair enough i know a 24 is uh hboh max is it okay so i don't know where neon is all right maybe uh maybe they're too new they haven't really shutter no okay no it's not be shutter all right they ain't gonna be screen box or or the night wing or whatever the one is um i think so you know what this this guy has been busy man so he had long legs the monkey and this one all within like a year maybe and then he's working on another one right he's moving man he's moving he's filming the young people this one

and it might be tiana mislani who was just in the keeper johnny knoxville heather graham decal oh okay okay how old is osgood perkins not old I don't think I mean he's not young either 51 okay for me to me that's not that's not old to you guys it is

well I mean that's still you know right in the middle of his career he's still he's still got a ways to go I think but uh like if he keeps churning him out he's gonna he's gonna run into the right one because he's got some cool like filming methods and some really interesting scenes He just needs a real good story

And you figure he's catching up Because he started late Like his first movie was he was 40 So he kind of got a late start Yeah Because the Black Cook's daughter was 2015 So And yeah

So I don't know Anthony Perkins's kid That's his kid so Yeah He had a silver spoon his whole life So good for him He's grown up studying film And you know

His dad was in One of the greatest horror movies of all time so yeah and directed part three which was a good movie cycle three is not bad yeah which i means i assume that he knew alfred hitchcock at some point yeah i'm sure he did so when he was a little that makes sense that makes sense all right well pedro thanks for swinging by man helping us out all right so next time i come on here be probably next month with my list i always have my all right you know during around christmas time i'll be on here with my top and bottom of the year. And we'll see. I've got to think about it. I've got to put it together. And that's

when I'll come back. Obviously, cover the movies for that week. But until then, we'll see you guys. All right. And I'm doing the, I'm doing the cashphrase to you to you kill me. Okay. What's next week, Brian? We got, oh, a commentary. Last Thanksgiving from 2000. I've never heard of this one. I haven't either. Is it a horror movie? Yeah. Best I can find. All right.

That's cool. We've done most of them, Thanksgiving-related horror movie. Yeah, there's not a ton of them out there. Not a lot. Well, all right. Well, we'll do this one, and we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns. So far, our website is still up. I'm trying to get it moved over to a cheaper domain.

But for now, we're still thehorrorreturns.com. Thehorror returns at gmail.com. Thanks again for the thoughtful email, brother. We appreciate it, man. And Pedro, until the horror returns again. Good night. You know what I'm going to be.