The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #50: Top 5 Scream Queens, Bates Motel Series Review & The Texas Frightmare 2017 Bates Motel Panel (Re-upload)

Episode Date: November 14, 2021

For our 50th show, we welcome back Patrick Lear and Jay Black to talk about our Top 5 Scream Queens, bring you a Bates Motel retrospective, and also cover the Bates Motel panel from Texas Frightmare. Thanks for listening!

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the best, and the worst in horror. This is Nestor Carbonell, Sheriff Alex Romero, and you're listening to The Horror Returns. Once again, you have found the horror returns, and I'm hijacking the microphone right now, because I want to tell you about Comic Palooza, May 13th. It's actually the whole weekend, May 12th.

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Greetings listeners, you have found the horror returns. For all of you who delight in dread, fantasize about fear and glorified gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Each episode, we generally seek out and review a brand new horror movie and then go back into a classic, but this is one of those weeks that we're doing things a little bit differently here. So we have got our guests back again from last week. So do we have Patrick in the house? Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's up, what's up?

Woo! And can I get a shout out from my main man, Jay! Yo, what it is, y'all. All right, well, we're in the... I'm Jay, y'all. We're in the heart of convention season, people, so we are all over the place, but we are not doing films this week. We are going to bring you guys a really...

kick-ass Bates Motel retrospective. And we're also going to each give our top five scream queens of all time. And somebody that's a good listener of ours gave us the idea for the Bates Motel retrospective. Jay, any idea who that might have been? Some guy, some Robert or something. Yeah, what's up with that dude, man? I don't know. I haven't heard from him in a while.

Do I see him in the mirror every time, but he just doesn't talk to me anymore? Gotcha, gotcha. Okay, cool. So we will not be covering headlines or trailers this week, but we still want to know what was the coolest thing you saw. So Patrick, let's start with you, man. What's the coolest thing you've seen this week? Trained to Bucon. Really good movie. That's a good one. Freaking sad as hell at the end. But, yeah, that was definitely not what I expected. but been on Netflix for a while on my watch list I finally got around to see it I feel like I didn't give that one

enough credit man I want to go back and watch it again everybody seems to love it yeah it was in my top five yeah was yeah see and I was I was kind of hanging back I was like yeah it's all right

yeah it definitely had a little bit different take on the zombie genre for sure I mean you know everybody always argues fast zombies versus slow zombies and stuff like that and one of the things I thought was interesting about this show

was how quickly they turned. It's like, you know, they didn't take forever in the day that, oh, you're a zombie, you know. It was like, boom, it was almost instantaneously. So I thought, well, that was a little bit into the mix of challenge. Yeah. But, yeah, it was definitely pretty cool. Hey, Brian, you enjoyed that one, right? Yeah, it was in my top five, too.

I thought so, man. What about you, Jay? Did you see that one? Not yet. It is... I have a list. A lot of things from you guys, too, that I put on my list to watch. And that I have one thing to watch, and that is my number two movie right after that.

All right. Did you have a not-so-cool of the week, anybody? I did. I do have an uncool of the week that I want to give a shout out to. So you all know I collect comic books and stuff like that. I just found out today that my local comic book dealer, the guy has been in business since he's been in business for like 50 years. was killed in a robbery at his store.

Oh, man. And I'm still kind of in shock over it, actually. So I wanted to give a shout-out RIP to Jim Kavanaugh. Really nice guy. He actually knew some of the same people I knew in Texas back when I was doing comic book stuff in Texas. Right. So we kind of had that connection and stuff.

And, yeah, I've been going there probably the last, maybe 10 years, maybe not quite 10 years. So just hearing this news is just kind of devastating. And we don't know the future of the story yet or what's going to happen there and all that stuff because he was a small business owner and that kind of thing. So everything's just in. Yeah. Yeah, I know, right?

I mean, it's ridiculous. Dirty man. So anyway, that's my really uncool of the week. Did they catch the guy, do you know? No, they have not. Not yet. That's the worst. Yeah.

Jay, you want to pull us back up again, man? My Cool of the Week isn't really horror-related. It's a show I finished. Have you guys heard of Hap and Leonard? Yeah. Yes. Oh, my God. Is that a great show or what?

I just happened. Yeah, I saw the first season. I haven't seen the second one yet. Second season is great. I think it's only like six episodes long. I think they're like 45 minutes It's from I believe I want to say The Sundance Channel

It happened upon it It is Sunnance channel It is Sunnitch channel So the first season is on Netflix And that's how I came across it And then I came across it When season two was actually It was still I think it ended like three weeks ago

Or something like that So you know I had it on I had it on DVR on demand And I finally got to finish that It was over the weekend I got to see that Oh Happen Leonard is great. It is, if anybody's familiar

with the wire, it's Omar from the wire. And, I can't believe I'm drawing a blank on his name. James Pierfoy. James Pierfoy. He's Mark Antony from Rome.

And he's like, I didn't see the show with Kevin Bacon, the following. But he's the main guy, right? He's the bad guy in that, right? Yeah, he was the bad guy. The cult guy. Joe. So it's him.

And it's Omar. He'll always be Omar to me, Omar from the Wire. And it's late 80s, mid-80s, Texas, Western Texas. And it's to see these two guys, it's, you know, they're just getting into their adventures or misadventures. But it's a really great show. It doesn't skip a beat. Every episode is good. And, you know, kind of the story, you know, moves pretty fast. There's no really no drag time or anything like that.

Short seasons. I think the first one's maybe 10, somewhere around there. and the second season is about six episodes. So it's a really quick watch and a really, really good show. And I think they're still on the fence for season three if it's going to happen or not. It's probably looking more like it may not happen. Hopefully, you know, Netflix will, you know, say they're baking and pull it out and, you know, make it a Netflix show. But I really enjoy that.

I really recommend you guys getting it to happen under. Cool. Man, you know, I haven't had time to watch a whole lot this week. I think that my cool of the week is going to have to be these conventions, Texas Frightmare and Comic Palooza, both amazing. And I'm a virgin for these things, you know what I mean? This is the first time that I've ever been, a pop my cherry. Now you can't get enough.

I know, right? It's super cool. It's a complete waste of money, but it's fun. It is a complete waste of money, yeah, but it's, yeah, but it's, yeah. Yeah, it's definitely fun. You know, most and most of the actors and creators and all that, you meet a pretty, pretty nice down-to-earth folks. Right, yeah, no kidding. Like, it's amazing how you run across these super famous people, and they are just super cool and just want to hang out and chat.

And on my, I know we're doing the screen queens. I'm not going to say who, but I did meet one of the folks on my list. And when I get into that name, I'll let you know who that is. I met one of the folks on my list Just real quick Jay about to happen Leonard It did get renewed for a third season Awesome

Awesome It's damn good show Really I mean the second season has an old Brian Denahey He plays this old sheriff So it's always always good to see anything With Brian Dennyhee in it So that there's a thumbs up as well

The first season has the really big Titty girl from Madman, she's in there. Christina. Christina Hendricks. Christina Hendricks, yes. She's in the first. She said the name might have been like, I don't know who it is.

But my cool of the week was a movie that we were going to review, but we had a hard time locating it. Oh. I seen colossal. Oh, right. Not what I expected. Good or bad? But it made your cool of the week. I will say not a bad movie

Okay Um Uh Shit I don't want to give it away Um It's super metaphorical Yeah please don't give anything I did

Let me ask you this Would our wives enjoy it? Um Depends on their taste and moves My wife When I told her about it She sounded a little interested in it But

Not because of the monsters Right So I don't know I feel like anything I say We'll kind of give it away And I will do I will say one of the actors in the One of the actors in the movie took a turn

That I did not see coming And I really enjoyed that part of the movie I would say this is a watch Was it as funny as the previews make it look Or is it more serious Um I didn't laugh as much as I thought I was going to Okay

That's what I needed to know Interesting Not from seeing it I still want to watch it Yeah I still recommend people watch it. It's just not what I thought it was going to be. That's pretty

much how I felt about it too. And as far as TV, I did check out the first two episodes of American Gods. I haven't got to watch both yet. I don't have stars. I can't remember what that one was about. What is?

It's got Ian McShane. That's all you need to know. It's got Ian McShane. It's got Peter Stormare. That's a Yeah, watching this show, watching this show, it just makes me love Ian McShane even more because he is fucking awesome on this show. I got one important question. I got one important question. Does he say cock sucker in this show?

You know what? I need to think because I know someone says cock suckers in this show. I don't think he has yet, but it doesn't mean it won't be coming. Oh, because that was the greatest and dead one. There is reference to somebody dying in a car accident with somebody's cock in their mouth. Close enough. I'll take it. Apparently somebody was going down on somebody and let's just say it was still in her mouth.

Oh, man. That is reminiscent of the world according to Garp. But, um, do you guys remember that? A callback. Yes, Robin Williams. Yeah, it is a really interesting show. It's very violent, and it's only two episodes in, and right now I'm sticking with it. It's got my attention.

It's based off of a book written by Neil Gaiman, so that right there, it's, that had my interest alone just from that. I have seen the first episode, but I haven't got to the second one yet. Yeah, Neil Gammon, that tells you all you need to know right there. Yeah. Expect the unexpected. Yeah, I mean, when you take Neil Gammondon, that tells you all you need to know. guyman and you mix in some of me and McShane with it,

that's kind of a no-brainer. Right. So, yeah, those are my, I recommend a colossal and American gods. People should check it out.

Both of those. Yeah. All right. My cool of the week is since aid is back on Netflix. Anybody check this out? I keep scrolling past it.

I really want to watch it. I've heard you talk about it and I haven't, haven't dived in yet. Yeah. It's definitely kind of all my to do this. Let me tell you what.

You got to stick with it because the first two episodes of season one I was out. I was ready to completely tap out. I'm like, what in the fuck is going on? This makes no sense. It's total nonsense. There's

nothing to this. It's just a bunch of idiotic bullshit. The only reason I stuck with it is because the showrunners of the Wukowski's that did the Matrix. So I'm like, I got to at least give it a chance. By the time you get to the third or fourth episode of the first season and you understand what's really going on and how all these eight people are able to communicate to each other telepathically across the world,

it is a brilliant show. And the second season pretty much starts off exactly where the first one left off. And what's great about this show, guys, is that each of the people that are connected to each other telepathically live in a different part of the globe. So you've got filming and scenes that were actually done in different countries, in different cities around the world. And it's just gorgeous photography. It gets a little silly sometimes,

a little over the top with montages and stuff like that. And I think that's done on purpose to be kind of, you know, sort of like poetical, so to speak. It's not your typical straightforward action show, but there's a lot of action in it, if that makes sense. Okay. But it's very cerebral and it makes you think, and I just love it. So I am very happy that Sense Aid is back on Netflix.

I've really heard nothing but good things, man. check it out. Definitely putting that on my list. Netflix. Cool. So is that, is that everybody? Yeah,

I did want to throw in, too, just real quick. If you're not watching the series Fargo, you're not doing yourself any favors. You should definitely be checking that out. That's me, man.

I got to watch it. I'm telling you, and every season so far has been fantastic, and this new season has just been just off the chart. Yaw! It's got,

what's your name, that was in the thing remake and she played Lucy McLean and Mary Elizabeth Winston. Yeah, she's in it and she's just freaking gorgeous. Yeah. And it's also got some really good performances by E. and McGregor in it because he plays two different parts

in this one. Right. So yeah, it's twin brothers. It's really good. So definitely check it out if you're not checking it. Have you haven't watched it yet? And that goes with all the seasons. Every season, all of it has been really good. Top-notch. Now, is it, guys, is it the same, is it still the, I know it's a different story every season,

but is it the same showrunners? I think so. Because those are the same people behind Legion. Yeah, I do know that every season is completely different. Like, they're all standalone seasons. But I hadn't really paid attention, but I would say it probably is the same showrunners. Okay. Now, the first two seasons are tied in, where,

the first season, the main protagonist was a deputy. Now, her father, her father was, you know, a sheriff or our deputy at one time. And in the story, he tells his daughter, he tells her a story, and the story is, it's only

like a minute long, you know, he doesn't really give into detail. Season two is about that. Oh, wrong. Oh, wrong. I'm sorry. No, you're a good. I'm sorry. Season two is about him, which Patrick Wilson plays, the young version of that guy, and it tells his story. Now, season three, I don't think we've seen any connection yet to the first two seasons or even the movie, for that matter of fact, because season two does have a callback to the movie.

So the movie, Fargo, season one, season two, do have a connection. Cool. Yeah, I'm checking out. Noah Hawley is kind of like the Wunderkind behind it, the main writer, and he is the one behind Legion. Dude, I'll bring it back around to Legion. I really liked that series once I finished with it, man. It got a little long there in the middle because it was, it got a little nutso. But, like, if you've been a little nutser.

Yeah, if you finish watching it, though, man, it was pretty cool. I enjoyed it. You just got to pay attention to it. Yeah. Yeah, it's worth watching. I've finished it. Also, amazes me how you people rattle off names like that, man. I have no idea who that is.

Hi, this is Dee Wallace from E.T. and Coojo and the howling, and you're listening to The Horror Returns. All right, so you guys ready to get into the first of our two-parter here? Let us do it. All right, so part one of the show is going to be Scream Queens. We're going to be followed by a Bates Motel retrospective, and we have a special treat for you guys. As you know, we did attend the Texas Frightmare weekend, and we had the honor to attend the Bates Motel panel. So we did actually record that entire panel for you guys. We're going to play it at the end.

Now, the young man sitting to our right was one of the coolest, nicest young fellas that I've ever met in my life. But he got a lot of pleasure out of this panel. He got a lot of laughs out of it, wouldn't you say? So when you're... I'll put it to you this way. Listeners, you'll know what we're talking about when we get to the recording of the panel. You're going to hear a lot of laughter. This guy really was having a fun time.

Is that me? So it wasn't you. Oh, okay. Oh, during the panel. I see what you're talking about. Right. Hey, he was a super cool guy, man. I'll give him credit, man.

We made a new friend out there. All right. So this is going to be a countdown from five to one of the top screen queens of all time. As always, our guests go first. But of course, we have two guests again. So, gentlemen, who's it going to be? start your engines. Go ahead, Patrick.

You can go. Okay, well, I just kind of do this together. I hadn't had a lot of time to really give it too much thought, but I had just, you know, and of course, me being a little more classic.

Some of mine tend to be a little older. But my, making number five on my list, I guess you could say, I want to go with Heather Langenkamp. Ah, okay. Because she was in some of those iconic movies of, you know,

Nightmare on Elm Street and the new nightmare and some other ones. And, you know, she, everybody remembers Nancy. Right. So I just, she didn't realize, I don't know if she really did a whole lot other than those movies. She's in the new Hellraiser coming out. Is she? But, I mean, you know, it's like she'll forever burn as a screen queen because of those iconic movies by themselves. And she had a small part in shocker, didn't you not?

I believe so, yes. She actually, she made my honorable mention. Ah, cool. Nice. All right. So that's my number five. I'm looking at IMD. Her official character and shocker was victim. That's a good screen, queen.

There you have it. All right, Jay. What's your number five, man? Number five is going to be a little awkward because I haven't seen most of the movies she's in, but she plays such a big presence in the, alien movies. I'm going to go with Sigourney Weaver. I would even throw

Ghostbusters is a comedy. It's not a horror film, but it's a related genre. It's a cousin. Cabin in the woods. Excellent movie. You can get split down the middle for Village. Some people like it. Some people don't. I love it. I personally love it. She was part of that.

So number five, Sigourney Weaver. Okay. I am going to take Umbridge with you on this one because I considered her for my list she's not a scream queen she's a fucking kick ass action hero I had the same thought because I saw her on a scream queen list and I was like

yeah I can't sorry dude I can't go through man she just doesn't fit my definition of a scream queen man but I definitely see where you're coming from I mean she's definitely great actress as far as the actresses she's iconic absolutely right up there in the

top, but I just can't consider a screen going to be. So is your number five. My number five? Yeah. Ah, I'm going to go back to the classic days of film, and I'm going with the beautiful Fay Ray. Oh, old school. You want to talk about

somebody who could fucking scream her ass off when a giant gorilla was grabbing her and trying to rape her? Although I don't think they quite went, well, they kind of did imply that there might have been some rape, huh? Yeah, I mean, she He could not have done a better job of that.

You know, I got to give you credit there. Yeah, Faye Ray is just phenomenal just for King Kong alone. And she's got a lot of other, I was looking through her IMDB page. She has done a lot of B horror movies. Yeah. Because that role got her a whole bunch of, you know, shitty little B horror movies. But, yeah, Faye Ray, I mean, you can't go wrong with her, you know. I think my number five is going to have to be friend of the show, D. Wallet.

Also on my list Awesome She's Uh Uh Uh Uh Uh

Uh Uh Uh Uh Uh She's been in a thousand Different horrible The howling

The howling Critters Yeah Steffered well She was in Stepford wife For like 10 minutes

But Yeah Hey Scream queen You gotta get killed Um I Uh

I I I I She's just an amazing human being

And Uh partially because we met her, and she's so awesome in person. I have to put her on the list. She definitely belongs there. My number five, I got my love of horror movies from a lot of 80s horror movies, and she's an 80s scream queen icon to me, and that's Lania Quigley. Also on my list.

Yeah, she's on line, cheers. She made my honorable mention. The film, she's been in The Return of the Living Dead. The Living Dead. Silent Night, Deadly Night. Sorority Babes and Slimeball Bola Roma. One of my favorites. You got to put her on a list.

One of my favorites Night of the Demons because it had a super weird scene where she sticks a lipstick through her nipple into her breast. And it was super weird and creepy. And it always just stuck out to me watching it as a kid. She, her characters are always kind of super weird. way, you know, in any of her movies. And if I remember right, we get to see quite a bit of her in which, Night of Living Dead.

Yes. A famous graveyard scene. Yeah, I was going to, that's, that's, that, you guys are stealing all my thunder here, man. I was going to mention that, too. Who about that? As a young man, I might have committed one or two mortal sins. Oh, maybe not a mortal sin.

I might, I might have gone through a few motions while watching that one. But that is, that is my number five. Very good pig. Who's next? Is that all of this? Is our next? Okay. Well, my number four was just who we just talked about.

It was Lena Crigley. There you go. That was actually number four on my list. What do you mainly remember her from besides for Children's Dead? Return Living Dead for sure. But I'm just saying, Son, Night, Deadly Night and Night of the Demons, both of those movies. Those were probably some of the staples of horror movies that I watched as a kid in the 80s. I don't know how many times

You know, it's not like the other night It was one of those I'd watch every time it came on HBO or something And Cinemax, I remember I used to show a lot of horror too And I'd watch, you know, we had that So I'd watch that You know, anything that would come on there

And I remember, yeah Night of the Demons was one of those really Kind of cheeseball horror movies But, you know, from the 80s But yeah, she would always pop up You know, so it was great I just remember that she'd just Just remembering her

I had to have her on my list. Nice. All right. My number four is this is going to be an odd pick, and I think she's going to be more in the realm of Sigourney Weaver, and that's going to be my last of really that sort of, you know, not true scream queen. And this is going to be a newer, newer actress.

I'm going with Vera Formiga, the conjuring. Oh, what do you even think of her? Bates Motel. she's on my honorable mentions it's just she was probably and we're going to get too far into Bates but she was one of the best things

about Bates Motel absolutely she's fucking hot yeah if you listen to the show you've seen Bage we're not worried about spoilers on that one but yeah

Vera Formiga and with the conjuring she was an orphan which I loved or a god that was a great movie and she's gonna be in Conchering 3 is Conjuring 3 she can be and then I think she's going to be in the new the nuns

The nuns spin-off, correct? I know her sister is. Oh, her sister. Yes. And there's just more to come from her. I absolutely love her as an actress. Great action. Man, what a great stick.

I didn't even think of it. Yeah, I didn't either at all. Veriframiga, number four. Well, my number four has already been mentioned. I'm going to go Faye Ray because, you know, we watched the old King Kong. and that's kind of the definition of scream queen right there. She hit the nail on the head, and I feel like she started to be, even though the term wasn't really around yet, she did her job.

Yeah, she definitely had the screaming part down too, and the flailing of the legs. Yeah, yeah. And what gorgeous fucking legs they were. She did it as well as any of those, you know, 70s horror scream queens you know i mean any any of the number ones that i'm sure we're going to have the same number one on at least two or three of them no doubt um all right is it my turn yeah i think so okay my number four will be janet lee the famous uh shower sit marian crane herself yeah she's she's an honorable mention for me honorable mention yeah but uh we're not talking about riana right

Okay. I understand that, well, no spoilers. I'll let you guys do all that. But, um... Yeah, it's hot. I had forgotten her being a touch of evil, which was... Have you guys ever seen Touch of Evil? Yes.

It's been a long time, but I've seen it. Great intro, man. That was like a continuous shot with a car that somebody had put a bomb in. And it just, you're following, the cameras following the car through the town. And you're like, when is it going to blow up? When is it going to blow up? And then it'll stop. And they'll pass some people back.

and they're like, oh, you're thinking in your mind, oh, shit, the car's about to explode. And then it goes on, it goes, it just builds tension so much. Great, great movie. And I had completely forgotten about Janet Lee being in some of these later movies. Like, did you remember her being in the original 1980, The Fog? The Fogg? Yeah, and she's been in some Twilight Zone episode.

She was in Halloween H-2O. Unfortunately, we lost her. It looks like in 2004. It felt like it was a lot longer than that for some reason that she passed away. It seemed like she's been gone for a while. But yeah, she definitely set the stage for a lot of these later screen queens for sure. Definitely. Well, she set the stage for some of the older ones too.

Okay, my number four, again, another staple for me in the 80s. She was in a reanimator, chopping mall, and from beyond. Barbara crampson. Brian, she's still very active, man. Yeah. Do you have my list or something in front of you or what? You know what? I might.

The reason why she made my list, like I said, she was a staple for me in the 80s, but she continues to do movies. Quick little list here. Recently, she was in Your Next Lords of Salem and a very underrated movie. We are still here.

And she makes my number four. Hey, what about What about the movie that you saw, Brian? I think you saw it. It just came to Netflix. Oh, oh. Video game with the H.S. Beyond the Gates.

Yeah. Is that worth watching? Because it just came from Netflix. It's okay. I mean. Okay. Well. It's on Netflix.

So, yes. Right. But if it wasn't on Netflix, I'd wait for it to be on Netflix, I guess. Right. I fell asleep through that one, but not because the movie was bad. I was just pretty freaking. I went to watch it. Yeah, Barbara Crampton's barely in the movie, so if you're going to watch it for Barbara Crampton, then I wouldn't watch it.

Well, and just, I'm looking here on IMDB, she's got a credit for Puppet Master of the latest strike. Yes, yes. Which is in post-production. The new one, the new one. That's what we thought they were going to show as the screener. A little story when we were at Texas Fright Bear Patrick, they had a Charles Band party Friday night that kept. Our friend Kevin went to, and I kind of wish we had because they were giving away like free beer. All the beer you could drink for free.

What more do you mean? I thought it was going to be the new puppet master movie, but it was the new evil bonged 666. Yeah. Come to find out they were just putting on display the new puppets that are in the movie. Right. Yeah. And she's also got a credit for Applecart, which we saw the trailer for. We talked about last week.

Yep. And then also one called Death House. That's right. Yeah, DeWallis is in that. She told us about that movie. Yeah, which there's still no release date on that movie. Yeah. Yeah, it says completed.

That's all it says. And that's a good pick, man. That is a good pig. And that was my, like I said, he's reading off my list because she was my number three. and yeah because reanimator I love that movie that from the 80s

was such a such a great movie but she was also in this really cool movie that I don't know how many times I watched it and why I saw it as many times as I did

maybe just because I was bored and it was on a movie called chopping mall oh that movie is awesome yes with a little robots to go around shooting up all the people

in the mall that movie that movie is 80s horror goodness right there. Yeah, it's got some great death scenes and just, it's fantastic. And then, of course, she was in the puppet master movies,

some of them. And then transters too. So she's been a bunch of stuff. So she did a lot of work with Charles band then. Yeah. She had been around, did a lot of stuff. I mean, she's definitely, the screen queen, you know, she's

kind of like a workhorse in a way compared to a lot of them, because she's like you said, still active today. And she's just great and everything she does. Man, great, great pick, dude. Great pick. Okay, my turn, number three? Yep, number three.

Number three, there's the person that I met at a Comic-Con, extremely tiny, tiny person. I'm going to go with Adrian Barbo. Oh, that is my next one. That sees on mine too. All right. You could say tiny, but. You know, depending on what body part you're talking about.

Exactly. Exactly. A ton of movies. You know, swamped and creep. She was in creep show. Oh, the worst person in creep show. And she was in, what, fog. Escape from New York.

Someone's watching me. And I don't know if you guys know, but she was also the voice of the computer in The Thing. So she gets a thing. Yes. The chess playing computer, right? Yeah. We talked about that in a computer. Oh, and if you're listening, hey, guys, if you're in Houston and you're listening, we're going to make that one of the trivia questions tomorrow.

If you come by George R. Brown tomorrow, you'll win a T-Sh, oh, wait a minute, we're recording this a week later. Never mind. We'll put them all up. All right, I'll tell you what. We'll put them all out. We'll put another one. Why don't we do this? Why don't we do this?

If you will write an iTunes review and put in that iTunes review for us that Adrian and Barbeau, oh, by the way, love the fact that they pointed out that Adrian Barbeau was. the voice of the computer and the thing, guaranteed a T-shirt. How about that? Wow, that's dangerous. Unless you're in Australia, like, R-C would cost 40 bucks to mail. In which case, we'll think of something else.

We'll figure something out. We'll give you something free. Maybe a keychain or a sticker. Depending on how many we get. And she's also in the upcoming Death House. Oh! Yes. We see Wallace.

Yes. We'll know a release date. Okay, it's me. I'm going to go Heather Langencamp for this one. All right. I think that Friday the 13th, or not Friday the 13th. I'm sorry, man. Freddie.

Freddie. Both of those get like real nostalgia with me because it's kind of what I grew up on. So Heather Langan Camp in the Nightmare on Elm Street movies, you know, because you really do Freddy and Jason. Mm-hmm. She's in the Freddie movies. is pretty awesome. Yeah, or you can do Freddy versus Jason.

There you go. Freddy versus Jason. That's why they have a Freddy versus Jason because they're so similar. All right, well, my number three is, she's been mentioned before, Dee Wallace. She was just

absolutely phenomenal. I guess Cujo is the main thing I remember her in with her being so much in distress. Yeah. I was really pissed off though at the end of the movie. because I had read the book and they died in the book.

They got stuck in the car and they died from heat exhaustion. And in the movie, they lived. Am I right, Brian? Yep. That's how they changed it. So I was kind of pissed off with that Pollyanna ending, but they made it up to me on the mist. Because if you remember in the mist...

The reverse. It's exactly. In the story, the novella of the mist, they actually lived at the end, but we all know how the movie ended. So that was more of a dark turn. But she was so convincing as the mother in that. Yeah, Dee Wallace, for sure, number three for me.

Nice. Yeah, she's a pretty awesome gal. And I like her because she's a Kansas City native also, which is kind of cool. Ah, look out. My number three was somebody was already mentioned, Adrian Barbeau. There you go. I think a movie, she wasn't, I don't think you guys mentioned, she was also in the fog. Yeah, that's right.

She was in the fog, yes. And another thing she did voice work for that I don't know if anybody knows, she was the voice of Catwoman from Batman the animated series. Yes, that was a big plus for me. I didn't know that is. My daughters were excited to meet her just because of that. I'm like, hey, you know, because I got them into the bat. I'm a huge Batman guy, absolutely huge Batman.

And I got my girls into watching Batman the Animated Series, the Justice League, you know, and all that. And when they found out that she was catwomened, woman. They were ecstatic to meet her. Yeah. And another fact, you know, she used to be married to John Carpenter. And another thing I did not know,

she was married to Stephen Van Zant. Oh, what? Musician, and he was also Silvio Dante on the Sopranos. Nice. So that was my number four. Or number three, I'm sorry. Number three. She's actually my number

two. Oh, well. And I had her into it. Yeah. And, you know, my thing, I might have had a little bit of a crush on her when I was a kid, you know, maybe just a little one. But I love Adrian Barbeau. She was in something actually a little more recent.

Do you guys remember the series called Carnival? Yes. Did anybody ever watch that? I never saw it. It was on HBO, right? Yeah, it was an HBO series. And it was actually a kind of cool series. and then they sort of ended it out of blue

and it never really got a penali which kind of sucked but she had she was in that and was really good in that too but yeah I mean she was just back of the day I mean she was the epitomea sexy and just everything you know and just really cool she's in all the cool movies you know and I loved her and escape from New York

and all that stuff and she just you know tells some of the creep show I guess as what was. But she just did so many, all that stuff. And I, it's Swamp thing even, liked her in the swamp thing, even though that really wasn't a horror, but it was still kind of in the same vein in a way. So it was creepy enough to be a Disney cousin. Yeah. She's just going to go down as well as all-time classic actresses to me, you know, of the genre. So I had to make her my number two. She was my honorable mention, man. I really wanted to put her in the list.

Right. Hi, Jay, what's up? Number two. Number two, I have a strong feeling he's going to be number one on a lot of you guys. Well, you cannot know that. You cannot go wrong with Jamie Lee Curtis. Yep. Nope.

Oh, boy. Number two? Wow, I can't figure what your number one is. I know, right? Yeah. Jamie, of course. Talk about a great set of tips. Awesome.

Oh, my God. It's just phenomenal. Yeah, I mean, all the Halloween movies, Terror Train, which you guys introduced me to. It's just, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's not much to say, you know, I haven't seen the screen queens, but when I was looking her up for the research

to see if there's anything that I was missing, I guess she was an episode or two of Screen Queen, so I haven't seen that. I don't know if you guys seen that. She's okay in it. Okay. She was in the fog. But yeah, Jamie Lee Curtis.

Can't go wrong. Jamie Lee Curtis, nice. Man, my number two is going to be, yo mama, actually her mama. Janet Lee. There you go, man. From Psycho, which is probably her best-known character. She also co-starred with Jamie Lee Curtis in The Fog and Halloween HTO. But she's old-school scream queen before the two.

term was around, you know? Correct. Although her daughter perfected it. Made it, yeah. She made it on a couple of lists for sure, huh? Definitely. Okay, so we're down to number two now? Yes.

All right. My number two has also been mentioned, Linnea Quigley. So I'm just going to go down a couple of names here of movies, okay? You tell, you guys tell me whether you think she specialized in horror movies or not. Tourist trap. Don't go near the park. Graduation Day.

The Black Room. Young Warriors. Savage Streets. Fatal Games. Party games for adults only. What the hell is that? Sounds fun. I missed that. Take that one out. All right. The Return of the Living Dead. We all know about that one, right? Yeah. Hollywood chainsaw hookers.

Yeah. How do you fucking go wrong with a title like that? Best title out there. Night of the demons, Nightmare Sisters, Nightmare on Umstreet 4, Assault of the Party Nerds, Dr. Alien, deadly embrace, sex bomb. Dude, it goes on and on, man. She was not just a scream queen. She fucking wrote the book on 80s cheesy horror movies, man. Which of us weren't staying up watching these movies, smoking weed, drinking beer, whatever we wanted to do, just chilling out.

Do you guys, by any chance, remember when they used to have USA on the USA Network Day up all night? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And then Rhonda Shear did Friday night. These were the kind of movies that were custom made for that kind of show. I mean, this is my memories, boys. I'm a little older than you guys are, but I can, I can, you guys can relate. I mean, fucking who doesn't love to watch this kind of shit and just chill out? Fair enough. I mean, Linnea Quigley all the way number two. Yes.

I love bad horror movies Good call Very good call Okay It's on me My number two is Miss D. Wallace Oh

Yeah we ran through her Filmography But there was a couple movies I totally forgot That she was in That I recently just purchased Have you guys ever seen A movie called Popcorn?

Yes Yes I was in the movie theater And there was a killer in there Yes I totally forgot she was in that movie. And another movie that I kind of grew up with, it was, it came out in the 90s. It was the Frighteners.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, she was pretty good in that one, too. And then the House of the Devil is a Thai West movie that I think was underrated. Oh, the new one. The new one, sure. So, yeah, my number four is Ms. D. Wallace. Number two? Number two. Number two, I'm sorry, reading my list.

Oh, I had completely forgotten about her being in the House of the Devil. Yes. Wow. Yeah, that was a good slow burn movie, man. Yes, it was. Because it was the whole leading up to it. Like, you know what I liked about that movie and the way Ty West directs? It's like there was a scene where they were sitting in a restaurant eating pizza.

And I'm thinking something bad, something sinister is going to happen. Like, she's going to lift up this piece of pizza and there's going to be a body part in it or it's going to be poisoned. And it wasn't. It was just all leading up toward developing the characters of these girls. And then the girl ends up working in that house. And very, very slowly, she starts to realize something weird is going on here. Something ain't quite right with this house. And then in the last 10 minutes of the movie, it's like, bam, bam, bam, bam,

in your face. One thing after another. Devil worshiping, all kinds of weird shit going on. I love the way Ty West makes these movies, man. He leads up to it slowly. and then he fucking pops you in the mouth at the very end. That was a great movie. And that is my number two, D. Wallace.

All right. No, no. Back to me with the number one. Before I get into my... Down to the number one, huh? Before I do my number one, I did have a couple of honorable mentions, and we've already talked about them. The first one was Dee Wallace.

I had to mention her just because, like I said, she is a Kansas City native, so... And she's been in some great movie. I remember from the Howling and all that stuff, too. and, you know, she just was kind of an 80s icon in general, just from being an E.T. and everything else. So, and then my other one was Janet Lee because she was the kind of the epitome of Screen Queens from Psycho and that role is so iconic. And then, of course, she gave birth to my number one pick of Jamie Lee Curtis. Right.

And I picked Jamie Lee Curtis not because, I mean, yeah, she's fantastic as a Screen Queen, but, you know, it and not to sound like I've objectified women because I did but she has a great pair of breasts earlier but she's a fantastic actors, you know, hands down, it doesn't matter what she does. Whether it be horror, comedy, whatever, she's phenomenal.

But, you know, going back to the original Halloween and whatnot, and she kind of, she really gave birth to what we define the screen queen as in a way. You know, that girl next door kind of thing, you know, and the troubled heroin, whatnot.

And, you know, running for everything. And it's funny, so she was in some great ones. Halloween, the fog, prom night, I mean, terror train. I mean, escape from New York. Although she was just, uh, says here, oh, wow, that's interesting. So she was a voice in that. I didn't know what is that? It says narrator computer voice, uncredited.

Escape from New York. Hmm. Oh. But at Halloween 2, she was in that, you know. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that she was in horror-wise to find that role, really. So, you know, I had to make her number one just because of who she is. And, you know, she's even today, she's still a fantastic actress. Yeah.

That's pretty much my list. All right. My number one, so when Brian told me we were going to do the five screen, Queens. Of course, I had to do some research from five to two, but my number one pick, I knew exactly who my number one pick is. And then Lance kind of stole a little thunder when he found out who he talked to at Frightmare. My number one is and will always be Dee Wallace. Wow. We loved her so much in Coojo in the Howling, just those two movies alone for me. Love Dee Wallace and everything she does. E.T. even, yeah, it's a lot.

family, but it's still, you know, that alien, that, you know, that different things to it. And she does a lot of B-4 movies throughout it, but I just critters, she was in critters. You know, although she had a small small part and step for

wives, did a couple of Twilight Zone episodes, but number one for me, Dee Wallace, friend of the show. Always and forever. That's nice. Nice, man.

But, you know, my number one pick, obviously, is going to be Jamie Lee Curtis. She coined the term, I believe, Scream Queen. If she didn't, then she should have. Because when you think about Scream Queen, you think about Jamie Lee Curtis. And I think that she perfected it, you know? That's what you think of when you hear Scream Queen. I think that's about all that needs to be said with her. Yeah, the only word I can come up with right now for what I'm about to say is anti-climactic,

because you guys have covered it all. It's Jamie Lee Curtis. You know, I mean, the thing I really remember her in the most, I think, was prom night. Halloween for me. Well, I mean, obviously Halloween. That goes without saying. But in prom night, she was so fucking convincing. Yeah.

And the damsel in distress. And, yeah, I mean, you're right, man. Terror Train, the fog. I hadn't even thought about that. Halloween 2. Well, obviously she was in Halloween 2. She had a little part of Halloween 3 as a voice of some. sort? She was the announcer. I think she was, wasn't she like the announcer in the, if I remember

correctly, in the hospital, right? Or something like that? Or was it at the police station? She was like on the PA, I believe. Oh, wow. See, I didn't even know that. I remember that stripper scene in true lies. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's Jill for Jamie Lee Curtis. I'll take it. All right. Let's close, let's close this baby out, Brian. Okay. Who is our number one scream queen of all time. Well, I went outside the box because I kind of knew Jamie Lee Curtis was going to be number one on a lot of lists. I went a different direction.

Someone I kind of felt like I grew up with her, and that is Daniel Harris. Yes, I am definitely on my, definitely on my, you pick Sunny Liston. Jamie Curtis is going to knock him out. Daniel Harris, Halloween's four and five. and then she returned for Rob Zombie's Halloween movies. Yeah. She's been in Hatchet 2, Hatchet 3, Urban Legend. Oh, yeah.

Stakeland recently. She's even been in some action movies as a child. She was in Steven Seagull's Mark for Death. Bruce Willis is the last Boy Scout. I mean, great movie. She's done a lot. And like I said, I kind of went a different direction because I just felt like,

like she was always in a horror movie as I was growing up. And we're similar ages. So that's why I went with her a lot of nostalgia there for me. So my number one is Daniel Harris, who is not in Death House, which still doesn't have a release date. Oh, surprisingly. Okay, well, I didn't come up with any honorable mentions. You guys have mentioned quite a few. Is there anybody we have left out of this conversation?

I got a few. I got a couple, yeah. My old school honorable mentions first, Allison Hayes from another movie we didn't get to review that we were supposed to, Attack of the 50-foot woman. She is fucking gorgeous. Right. Tippy Hedron from the Birds. Ah. Okay, see, that was the first thing that popped into my mind after Jamie Lee Curtis on the Screen Queen list.

Right. Just from the Birds movie, you know. And as far as the newer ones, Jay, you already said. Vera Famiga. Yes, I did. And another one I would have to go with is, she pops up in a lot of Soska sister movies, and that is Catherine Isabel.

She was an American Mary and Sino Evil, too. And she was also in the Ginger Snap movies, the Werewolf movies. Ah, okay. Yes, I know exactly who you're talking about. She was actually Mary, right? Yes. And those are my honorable mentions right there.

Awesome. You guys ready to, Oh, no wait, we still got a few more, right? Jay? Yeah, I got a couple. Of course, Heather Langenkamp was one of them. One, a most recent one. Not strong enough to make the top five,

but I thought was an Alvincial, is Neff Campbell through all the movies. Yeah, I was going to ask about her, because she stood up on a lot of lists that I was looking at. A lot of lists. I thought about her, but I just couldn't do it. Yeah. I just didn't see enough body work for me,

but that's my opinion. I think, and just because she was the main, the main protagonist in the movie, Scream really kind of brought that genre back. And I think she was the face of the movie, so she kind of played a good part of bringing that genre back into the mainstream for a lot of folks. So she's going to get an,

she's going to get definitely an honorable mention for that. Yeah, she was definitely better than wild things. One, two, touch the house. Well, that's because she was naked. Yeah. All right. I think that's it for the screen queens. We're on to the Bates Motel. Time to check in at the Bates Motel. There you go. What did you guys think overall about the series?

I, it was, I don't know, I got really into it the first, like, couple episodes, a couple seasons, I should say. And in the third season, I started tapping out. Right. Kind of thought off? Yeah, because it sort of just, I don't know, I just got to the point where it just seemed to be going around in circles and kind of losing itself to me. So I sort of tapped out of it.

But then going back and watching season five, I thought they actually, I picked up, I actually, season five was actually somewhat enjoyable to get through. It wasn't like a grind trying to watch it. So overall, I think the series was good. I don't want to say it was great, but I think it was pretty good, you know, overall. If I had to grade it, you know, I'd say, you know, above average, you know,

definitely better than it was bad. Well, man, I'm going to agree with you there. I think that the first season, I was super stoked about this show, and I really liked the first season. The second season started trailing off. And then, like, I think the third season is definitely the worst. But maybe they were just trying to extend it. as far as they could, but they had too much outside shit going on.

Yeah. Which is what we said on this show a thousand times already. Yeah. But I got to say, man, fifth season, wow, brought it back around. I'm glad that I watched that shit. That was awesome. Yeah, it was definitely, I wasn't disappointed in it. Yeah.

Yeah. A very bookend series, you know, it started strong, it ended strong. As far as the middle, like the season three and all, and even a little bit of season four, I sort of have a love, hate, it. The hate part is, yeah, you're just right. There's just too much town, inside town drama going on. Right. But without that, you're not going to get the craziness, the absolute, fantastic acting by Vera Farmiga. I mean, that's dealing with everybody within the town, all the nut jobs, although the point of view is like, she's the crazy one. No, she's kind of the

same one. And everybody else is freaking nuts. So that's kind of my love, hate with it. without all that drama, you're not going to get that great performance from her and her reaction and her screaming all the time and just reacting to everybody around her who's just the insane ones. And she's trying to keep herself sane, you know, with her son and all that. So that's kind of why I, that's my love hate for it. I can definitely go with that, man. That season five brought it back around and made all that other bullshit in the middle makes sense. Yeah, and if you notice in season five, she wasn't. Oh, of course.

We're getting into spoilers, right? We're good? Yeah, I think we're doing an overview of the season, so if you haven't seen it. Okay, so, spoiled the shit out of it. Spoil, okay, so she's dead in season five. So that's why you don't get the really crazy nut job Norma, because it's the Norman version of her. Evil Norman.

Right. Exactly. So you take out all the drama and all the shit from the ten. and you don't get that crazy, that Norma that I loved, and, you know, they pulled the character into, she made such a character for the series. Of course, you don't get that because you don't have the town drama anymore. So that's where it's, but it's still a great, because now you can really focus on Norman. You can focus on what's gone through his head, what's he doing, how's he reacting?

And that was a great thing about the season five. Yeah, so apparently Freddie Highmore, Max Thoreau and Nestor, and, I mean, they all, like, directed different episodes of season five. So I don't know if that played into it or what. But I feel like they pulled that back together and it was great. Yeah. And the one thing about this too is, and I believe, I don't know if it was the initial plan or maybe it was their plan on along

because initially everybody thought it was a prequel to Psycho. It's going to lead up. The last episodes are going to leak. Right. That's what I thought too, yeah. And then you get that one episode where he comes at. at homeboy with a knife. You're like, okay, it's its own thing.

It's a different version. You know what? And I love that too. That he let Marian Crane go. Yeah. And it just, that whole scene where he's fighting with his version of Norma, it just really shows you that the real Norman, you know, he has a heart, you know. Yes.

And a lot of people didn't like that. I didn't see, I didn't understand why. I liked it. I think the whole. digging deep in depth into his mental illness, and he's not a bad person, he's just fucking crazy, was the whole basis of season five. And I wish they had been doing that the whole series, and they didn't.

But the way that they handled the season five of it, where they just, it was all about his mental. It reminded me a lot of, like, Hannibal, you know, the first season or two of Hannibal, I thought was really good. They just should have made this down to like two seasons, and I think it would have been perfect. Yeah, I had to admit, when I first saw the change up with that scene, I was a little disappointed. Because I did thought it was going to be, well, one, I was weird. I thought it was getting it in like episode five.

Yeah. Because I did, I was on the impression it was going to lead up until to that scene, basically. That's what I was expecting. Yeah. What else were they going to be? And so when it was different, I was like, well that's kind of shitty, you know, and I was like, okay. So, and then as I got on it's, okay, I guess they're trying to do their own thing with it. And so this technically doesn't really tie into the movies is what they're saying, basically.

You know, so upon that realization and everything, I was like, okay, that works. I can, I can live with that, you know, and let it do its own thing. And that kind of helped me enjoy it a little bit better. But, but yeah, at first I was a little disgruntled by. It was mostly just because what I thought was going to be happening, didn't happen. And not just that, but, you know, the whole way I expected that to be like in the finale. And the good thing about why they didn't kill her off is because when you're waiting for Marion to die, it's more of your vested into Janet Leigh. Janet Lee, right?

With Rihanna, there was basically no interest or no buildup to this character. So killing this character would have been no different than killing the guy. guy that the sheriff hired to come after him. I mean, if he was going to kill her, I was like, that is the weakest payoff because I'm not vested into this character whatsoever, unlike you were the previous Marion when Janet Lay, you were very invested in when she came in because you actually, you met, you meet her first, don't you before you meet on normal? Yeah.

Yeah. This one, you know, she'd only been in there for a couple of episodes, and you already knew that she was going to die, you know? I mean, if you've watched the psycho movie, which I hope that you have, if you're watching Bates Motel. but I think that that was an awesome twist that they did. I really liked that. And I also liked, especially during that episode,

a lot of the throwback scenes where they went like shot for shot with Hitchcock. Yes, definitely, definitely, yes. And you were a little vested into Sam Loomis anyway, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was, and the twist to this too is he was kind of a bad guy, So you kind of, in a way, you're on Norman's side when he was stabbing the shit out of him. Well, you're like, you know, this guy kind of... Norm is not necessarily a bad guy, you know?

Yeah, exactly. And it wasn't Norman, right? It was Norma. Right. And remember one thing... It killed Sam. That was Norman. Yeah, because that was...

Oh, no, that was Norman, yeah. That was the only person he killed in the whole show. He's the big shot now. Yeah. He was the one that made the decision. And if you notice, and he owned up to it, didn't. So when he realized it was Norman that killed, the sheriff, it was me when you want to get over here. Because it's not my mother anymore.

I can't put it on her. Now it's all me. Yeah. And I like it. There was a line in the movie or in the show somewhere where they alluded to it a lot before like the last half of the fifth season where he knew that he was crazy. and maybe he knew that he was just seeing his mother and she wasn't really there, you know? And I liked that aspect of it. And I kind of wondered why at the panel, which we're going to broadcast after this episode is over,

nobody had asked, you know, did you, did Norman know that he was crazy? But they definitively answered that. And yeah, he absolutely did. I don't know. I thought that was a pretty cool aspect to it, you know? Yeah. Does anybody have a favorite episode? I can tell you my not favorite episode was the finale.

You're like a finale? No, I thought it was a lot of buildup for nothing. Yeah. And there was a few characters throughout the series that I did not care for at all. And that was, I can't remember her name. top of my the girl with the oxygen tango

Rebecca I wanted her to fucking die and I thought the whole buildup to them her and the brother Dylan

getting married and having a baby I thought she was going to die and I was a little bit let down she I thought she was fucking horrible

throughout this whole show and the way it ended it just kind of seemed a little anticlimactic for me I thought it was cool because they put

Dylan in like a very relatable character role, you know what I mean? And so he's like the family guy and kind of the final girl. Yeah, see, I like, I like Dylan. It's just, I kind of felt like, do that whole scene where he's doing his phone call to his wife. He's making it seem like, you know, I might not come back.

I'd never felt like he was in any. danger ever. Yeah. I'll be honest with you, I thought maybe he might kill himself. That's where I, that's kind of where I thought they might take it.

For having to do what he had to do, right? I expected him to die before they got into trial. You know, like, like, who was it? The gal that, you know, the one that, the Vera clone says, you know, it's like, you're his brother and he fooled you for years.

You know, it's like, you knew. He was crazy. Yeah. And never did anything about it. And I kind of thought maybe I wonder if he was going to, you know, I was a little worried that he was going to start guilt character himself. Good point. Yeah. And, you know, because with his uncle. I could see what you're saying.

So I wasn't sure if he was going to go kill Norman or if it was going to be he was going to take himself out or. Yeah, I could see that especially with the wife's mother getting killed. Yeah. He never, he never did anything because before she even got killed, you know, you had the scenes in season four. where he's talking to basically his mom, but it's Norman, and Norman's, you know, dressed in his mom's clothes, and he's got the whole mannerisms and the way he talks and just never does anything about it, really.

And I can see where you were going with that. Yeah. That's probably what he meant by he's not coming home. Maybe he, that was his initial plan, you know. If I can't live with myself, I'm not going to be here anymore, so basically this is goodbye. yeah, who knows, that could have been his initial thought. Yeah, it was just kind of weird.

I didn't really have a favorite episode necessarily. I mean, I kind of binge watched them all, so I didn't really like, oh, you know, one was better. You know, they all sort of learned it together to me. But, no, I just thought overall they did pretty good with it. There was a few, like one of the things that I felt like they didn't get into, and maybe it was just because the network it was on and maybe they didn't want to take it to that level. but you know they they hint upon it but they didn't really get into it but you know he was kind of a sexual deviant you know know he was spying yeah norman you know he was like spying on and but even throughout the entire series every time he was with a girl

you know his mother was always freaking out that oh my god what are you know like because she knew there was something not right with him and he was always worried that she might do something too far like you know or rape somebody or whatever but I feel like he was sexually repressed. Yeah, maybe that's a little bit more of the right word for it. Yeah. But he was definitely, there was something off about him when it come to women and sexuality, you know. Like, you know, he didn't quite handle himself just right around women, you know, when it comes to that type of intimate relationship type.

He did get some sex, but it just wasn't the kind he wanted. Right. Yeah. Well, we obviously had the whole he'll mother attraction, you know, which is why he went for the girl in the finale, because she looked just like his mom.

There was definitely that weirdness going on, you know. I was talking about the club scene. Oh. Yeah. I don't know. He got a little bit. Well, you know,

he got some sex in the very first season from that one chick, too, so. He sure did. And the teacher, right? And his teacher? Yeah, the teacher, yeah. I guess the scene, I guess an episode I like, I don't know if it's an entire, the whole episode, the scene that I liked was him meeting up with the doctor again. Yeah.

And they're having coffee and then come to find out that that never really happened. Right. Right. Right. That was been missing. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

That was great. Yes. Yeah, because that threw me. I think my. So how... Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.

No, go ahead. Go ahead. I think my favorite episode was the Marion Crane episode just because it was a big throwback to Psycho, which is one of my favorite movies of all time. But I also, I want to explain a little bit on the mother-son relationship and why he gets so weird about sexual stuff. I think that, you know, that's her little boy, and that's why that she treated in that way the whole time. You know, she didn't want him to grow up. And I think that he's so weird about sexual situations because I think there was an episode in maybe season four, where he was under the bed when his dad was raping his mother and he, like, was reaching up and holding her hand.

And, I mean, that's only a taste of the abuse, I'm sure, that they both took. And I think that that affected him in the long. run. And that's why he gets so fucking freaked out when sexual things happen because he's got so many bad memories attached to sex. Yeah, but he also, he did have some weird feelings towards his mom. You go back to season four when they had the other doctor ask him questions and when he asked him if he had sexual feelings towards his mom and he started strangling him.

Later on in the episode, he catches himself checking his mom's ass out. I didn't see that one Yeah Do you know the episode where I guess it's a teacher or something That teaches psychology Yeah She had him come talk to Norman

And as soon as he got to the question of Do you have kind of sexual fantasies about your mom He instantly started choking him But then later on an episode He catches himself checking his mom out You know what am I doing I think that he definitely had some inappropriate thoughts about his mother because that's the only woman that he's ever been that close to. But his mother.

But she didn't help, though. She didn't help the situation, though, because I believe she also made a comment. It's okay. Sometimes little boys look at their mom's breasts or something like that. Yeah. And I'm like, you're not helping the... She saw him as just a little boy, you know? She didn't see him as a mature adult at all.

No. And she's just trying to fix him there. There's just so much shit wrong with them and then don't want to add this on top. It was dysfunctional. It was a cool psychological thing, man. How long was the gap between season four and five? Because in season four, she's trying to get him committed. About a year and a half.

She's trying to get him committed because she can't because he's 18 now. But then you go to season five and he's in the bar knocking drinks back. Oh, good point. Yeah, it's probably, but maybe at least two years because the baby is what, maybe five months old, right? Yeah. Yeah, the baby wasn't a couple of years before. Yeah. I don't think they were married.

And I want to add a little tidbit, the psychiatrist, um, teacher that Norman choked out. That is Josh from the Blair Witch. Oh, yeah. Oh. Yeah. Yes, you're right. The Blair Witch episode, I remember. Yeah.

Yeah, but my favorite episode probably is, I want to say, season four where Norma dies. Just the whole scene, the song from the Halloween, the Sandman, you know, the version that was from the Halloween remake, perfect song, perfect scene. I don't, I don't say again. Was it inner Sandman? No, it's, okay. This is why I'm saying that's talk. I've never seen this show except the first episode. It would have been a totally different episode with that song.

Yeah, definitely. Although I feel like he should have gone a little more towards that song. I thought that that scene was a little bit anti-climactic. I wanted him to rage kill his mother at some point, and that's not what happened. Maybe we could have met in the middle of it and fade to black. Speaking of someone that was in that scene later, how did you feel the sheriff played out? through season five. I loved him in season five.

I thought of he's cool. Yeah, well, having not seen season four, you know, it was kind of different. I mean, I know things are going south for him in season three. Yeah. And so, you know, because I remember that part going on, but I didn't see, like I said, I missed probably about half of season three and then all season four.

So, okay, well, my problem with him was in season four because he flipped from being like family. family friend to having this infatuation with Norma that was ridiculous out of nowhere. I would challenge that a little bit because I think he was attracted her

from the very beginning. Now, yeah, did it, did he turn the volume up in season four and then crank it all the way in season five? But I think season five, I think it had more to do with, he was always in control. Right?

It's his town. You remember the one guy who first challenged Norma and said, hey, I left some money there. He just shot this dude and threw the money. Did he just throw the money in the river? Or if I remember, through his bag and shit in the river. So he's always in control. And for Norman to take that away from him, I understand his urge to kill his urge because they took something from him that he wasn't in charge of anymore. And so I get the season five, season four, yeah, a little bit.

too much, but it made more of what he's finally getting what he really wanted the entire time. So I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. If there was absolutely no, nothing in between them, between season one and season three, then yeah, it would have been a little ridiculous. I think...

They could have focused more time on that relationship instead of just flipping the switch and turning it up, instead of, you know, dealing with Dylan's bullshit with his weed deal with or whatever. Yeah, yeah, probably, probably. Yeah, because because it kind of crammed it all into the tour of the end of season four.

Yeah. Yeah, if it would have started way earlier, then, yeah, I could probably see that. That makes sense. A question with the sheriff in season five, who was this lady he was staying with? I'm not. Did she work in the first season? I thought she worked for him in the first season. Maybe. Because she made, she made the statement that they should just run away together.

I know you're a broken man, but I can live with that. We'll change our names. And I'm like, who the fuck are you? Where did you come from? He's got other relationships. What about the maker? Yeah. She came up back.

Yeah, she did. He seemed to have a lot of women around. I'd have to go back to him. I don't know if she was in any of the other seasons or not. But I didn't know who she was either, really. Yeah, I thought she was a keeper. She had a cabin and everything they can go to. He's out of her league.

I'm telling you right now. She was ready to start. serve him hand and foot, you know? Yeah. He must be a deal. But then again, I was essentially accepted him with the guy liner. Yeah.

So, uh, Bates Motel, um, I would probably go. Okay, before you write it, are we rating season five or are we writing it as a, as a series? I think he up to rate it as a series

on the whole. Okay. I would go with a soft, very soft eight. Very soft eight. But that is mostly, mostly is almost all of it, the performances by Norma and Norman. And, you know, with a slight third by Dylan. Dylan was really kind of the consciousness, the conscious of everybody there. But just the performances of Norma and Norman. and I get that you couldn't get that Norma without all the drama bullshit that was kind of the filler in between the seasons.

You wouldn't be able to get the performance from her without that. So I'm going to take that into account. That's why I'm going to give it at 8 out of 10. I'm almost there with you. I'm going to go with a 7. Also, most of that is Norman and Norma. And Dylan grew on me because at first I didn't care about your whole your dad and your uncle whole storyline. Definitely.

But where it loses points is the whole situation with the town. I really, it just took me out every time. I just wanted it to go back to Norman and Norma. With the exception of a few characters that I really enjoyed, I really enjoyed Ryan Hearst as, as Chick. Oh, yeah. Because he was just a strange fucking guy. And I fucking, I fucking liked it.

I liked his weirdness. Man, he really clicked in season five. and I seen it coming but at the same time I didn't his death scene yeah that kind of made me mad actually

I was really irritated yeah because I thought he was going to get this story out right he was recording but the fact you know I guess he had it coming the fact that you knew this was happening and you're just

you know writing it as a story and you didn't do nothing about it was kind of fucked up but um his whole character I really enjoyed him and um Yeah, I'm going to give it a seven.

Good, yeah. Well, the, they talked about it in the base most out panel that Chick may be supposed to be the author of the book, possibly. Actually, I was going to bring that up as a, oh, no, you can finish. I just had an alternative ending I thought of when I watched that. well and you may know more about it than i do i'm not i'm not too well versed in the history of it but uh i i i loved his character i mean he was weird in like season three and four i don't know where they brought him in exactly but he was real real quick about it did who was his wife and child man i don't know if it ever showed about him yeah he kept saying like the sheriff took my money

and my wife and child i don't think he was meant yeah i don't think it wasn't the sheriff it was No, no, it was Dylan's dad. Yeah, Dylan's dad. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. His dad, uncle. I don't think that he was supposed to end up being such a long-term character, but, like, he had, you know, such charisma when he came in that they, yeah, it's almost like, you know,

he kept mentioning, you know, you took my family, but then later it kind of seemed like maybe you really didn't have a family that you always just. Yeah, it seemed like a weird little hermit guy, huh? Yeah, because he made a statement that he lived most, most of his time alone and he wasn't he wasn't used to being around people. Yeah, which makes sense based on solely

his clothing choice. Yes. His kimono and his cut off shorts and flip flops is you know. And all all of this during winter too. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

So, you know, I'm going to get the series a 7.5 I think. Like it was, I think it was, I think it just had a couple of seasons too many in the middle. Yeah. The last, the first season was pretty good.

It kind of sucked me in. I maybe wanted it a little more than it was there. But the fifth season was amazing. Like, great TV. It was way better than any of the other seasons. And if you miss everything else, just go watch the fifth season. You don't necessarily have. to know all the bullshit that's happened before it.

I mean, unless you really want to get into character development stuff. But I liked it mostly because it focused on Norman and his mental illness and Norma. And that's, I think, where the series should have stayed instead of trying to delve into all this other bullshit. Then it would have been like a two or three seasons series because you couldn't have that. Yeah, you couldn't have too much. much. Yeah, season five is like a really long extended version of Psycho the movie. Right. Right. I mean, yeah, without all the backstory of who Dylan is and, you know, who really Norma is. Because if you just look at season five, you're only, you're only getting the Norman version of Norma. So that's one thing you would be missing, which would be okay. You know, if you don't really need that. But, yeah, that's kind of where Psycho really comes in season five. With season 4, the buildup for that, I was really not especially looking forward to season 5.

And then it just really surprised me how good it was, how artistic it was, and how much of a throwback with the, you know, cinematography and everything. It was great. Patrick. I'm going to give it, I probably wasn't as high as well as rest of it. I'm giving it about a 6.5. I did enjoy this last season I will say it was better than what had we come to but just because I kind of tapped out

and hit the rut there with it in the middle of it kind of took some points away from it for me but it was well acted I mean I thought Vera was great I thought she was a fantastic choice for Norman's mom and honestly what's his name pretty high

What's this? Pratery Hymore. I didn't like him at first when I started watching it, but he kind of grew on me and, you know, made it work. But, you know, I thought it was well-acted and everything else. I just think the story kind of lost its way a little bit there in the middle. And, you know, because of that, like I said, it's definitely better than, you know, above average.

I just don't give it a six and a half. I didn't think it was terrible, but there's just so much good, TV out there right now. You know, when I look at other shows like Fargo and Better Call Saul and some of these others and then try to compare it with that, it's like, man, this one, you know, it shouldn't have lost me in the middle.

Right. You know, I, thumbs up for season five kind of redeeming it a little bit, which, you know, and I thought they did a pretty good job of ending it and everything, so. Yeah, it wasn't bad at this show for a little while because it went so far off

track on other stupid bullshit. Exactly. I mean, that's exactly why I could I forgot to mention that I love Freddie Highmore in this. I think that he kind of made that Norman Bates character his own. Definitely. In the fifth season, he actually gave it a big throwback to the original Norman Bates character. I can't think of his name, Rothop Man. Anthony Perkins.

That's the one, Anthony Perkins. I think that he paid a great homage to him, especially in that Marion Crane episode. But I, you know, I think that he really did a great job of paying tribute to that and sitting in that character in season five with still that little bit of his own stuff that he had brought to it, you know? Yeah. No, and I thought they did some, like there was, what was it the, episode nine or ten where he's doing the mugshot and then taking his fingerprints. I thought it was really cool. You had Vera in real life standing there, and then if you looked on the little stream,

you could see Norman. That was great. That was really cool. I thought they did a real good job of playing off the norm of being inside his head. Yeah. And everything like that. Yeah. Mixing Vera in with all those scenes was great.

Yeah. They did a real good job with that. I said it was good. I just didn't think, you know, just because of, you know, season three and where they just kind of lost me everything. I think a six and a half is probably pretty good really. Maybe deserve a seven, but I'm going to give it

a six and a half, so. I don't blame you. Yep. Good stuff. I actually stopped watching it around season three, so when season, right before season five started, I just binged right, because I still was recording on my DVR, so I had half of three,

all of four, and I binged right through it just in time to see five. That is exactly what I did. And that's why, man. The middle seasons were kind of trash. Yeah. Who was that? The one character I probably hated the most was the rich guy who was really started the downfall of the sheriff.

His whole storyline, the guy who dug the big pit. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. I really hate that. I hated that story. Yeah, I absolutely hated that story. Stupid. You know what?

A lot of the, as much as I like Nestor, especially since he talked to us, that's his fright. I thought that his character was completely unnecessary for the entire series. But he did a good job with it, you know, guy liner and everything. Is that shit tattooed on? What's the matter with that dude? Why? Why would you do that to the makeup?

So I thought of an alternate ending. Now, this was just my own. I was like, I wonder, it's got a little cheese factor to it, but it's if cheese. Say Chick lived. And what if the final scene is him turning over his script or his book to say like an Alfred Hitchcock look-alike movie exec? I think that would have been cool. I wish they had done that.

That would have been awesome. And then that's that little throwback. You're like, uh, kind of kind of calm in a little circle, you know, because he was writing the book. That was the only little disappointing thing from season five for me is that book didn't go anywhere. I was hoping for a payoff on something like that happening, and I would have really enjoyed that. But that may have been something that, I mean, I don't know anything really about the history of it, and I probably should have researched it before we did this episode. I honestly thought Dylan was going to be crazy by the end.

Yeah. Because he had that scene where he was sitting on the stairs with that blank expression on his face. I think the writer of the book may have died at some point, and I mean, I don't know if he was murdered or. I think Chick was, like, really supposed to be that guy. He was supposed to be a throwbacker. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, wow.

Wow, that I did not know. I mean, I could be completely without face. Somebody will correct me at some point. Good stuff. All right. Well, I guess that is the end of our Bates Motel, unless anybody else has anything to contribute. No, I think I'm good.

Lance, go watch it. Lance, you said, go watch it. I'll probably skip it. There's too many other fucking shows on TV right now. Just watch season five. Just watch season five. You'll be all right. Okay.

Yeah. You'll be all right. Yeah. Because after what you guys have said, it kind of sounds like that's the one where everything happens, huh? Yeah. Yeah. The only thing you're not going to get from season five is just the great performance of Vera Formiga in the previous seasons.

That's probably the only drawback. Because she seems different. Oh, yes, exactly. Yeah, she really just kind of, you know, made her own into that. And I really love that. Yeah, you can almost say her performance at the end was kind of dead. All right. We want to thank you for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns.

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Australia mate was that a bad accent or what no I love and we're going to do the films of 1968 if you guys remember a long time listeners about what about nine or ten months ago we did that long yeah

it was in our shows yeah we did the year and horror 1960 because I remember that episode yeah they were out of tent pole movies 1968 brought us

what are some of the movies that we're going to talk about, Brian, that were from 1968? I know we are doing a Night of the Living Dead. George and Farrow's Night of the Living Dead. Rosemary's Baby. Oh, nice. And what was the other one? Witchfinder General? Is that the one we're doing?

Is it Witchfinder General or Witchmaster General? I think it's Witchfinder. I think I'm mixing it up with Wishfinder General. master. So it's not witchboard? I don't know, but fucking Vince the price is that. Let me tell you something. If it's fucking witchboard,

that motherfucker Kevin Ness can be on the show with us because he loves that movie. We don't have to review which board with every chance we get. Like any movie that has any sort of similar basis to it, we got to do it with witchboard.

And Tony Cotain's it. Yeah. Anything I think of the two of this nudes team. All right. So, Patrick, until the horror returns again. Thank you. And good night. I'm the seniority of that website, and we make a scary movie sometimes,

like sinister and cities and all that. But those are the Shock Waste podcast. But the main reason I have to moderate this panel, which I'm very excited about, is because Psycho is probably my favorite movie of all time. I wish it would continue somehow. And thankfully, A&E decided to do this great show, Aitz Montel. And now the cycle lives off. So we have a lot of the cast here, and we're going to talk for the next hour about it.

Let's start with, you play Chick on the show. We've got Ryan Hurst here. He is the badass. I'm saying what we were all thinking most of the time. Spoilers. So sorry. There will also be spoilers to psycho. To the pitch when you first, like, when all you were running for the show, what did they tell you the show is going to be?

And did they fulfill that promise at the end of the five years? Now in reference, it's been quite a long time. What a cutie? It's hard. I mean, I think. And so it feels satisfying now that we've got to end in our own terms of the writers, as you were saying, envisioned from the very beginning as opposed to being part of a show that just is suddenly, you know, one season just gets the rival ball from underneath it. But I think it's, it was always going to be this pre-corder cycle,

and that's what it was pitched to me as from the very beginning. And the love story in a way between Norman and his mother. And obviously this guy tries to get in the middle of the screen. This, you know, finally he was able to die. And... Pitts could be was slightly different than it was shot. Somehow, things changed through the course of season five, spoiler alert. At one point, I think I was supposed to kill you.

And suddenly that started to change. Is anybody disappointed with that thing? Yeah. No comment. It would have. Nobody cares about that shit now. But anyway. So when you get brought in and they tell you at the very beginning you were going to be Norman's brother.

And also because that character didn't exist and you think, oh shit, I don't know if I'm going to make it. So what was Dylan described to you asked? Sort of fished to me and the type of character that, but obviously, like for me that was kind of a weird sort of position because I didn't know if everyone had a brother because he didn't think psycho. didn't in Psycho. I mean, sometimes during season four, I remember. I got a call on voicemail from one of the co-creators. And she sort of, she was like, gushing about how great the season was and how much she loved it and stuff like that. And she sort of spoke the beatings.

She'll come on voice and though, she was like, you know, and to think when we first started right from the show, we brought in this Dylan character and you were going to kill him in the first season. I just kind of like this is for you guys to talk because this is the best life and they want to hear from you so this past a measure and we get rid so what about you master because you have you have a little history with Carlton correct on lost yeah I did yeah I worked with Carlton and lost he called me I bumped him in an event and then shortly after that he's you know he called my manager and one or five will come on the show as a guest as a guest are and I said well I'm sure I've

I thought to work with him again, you know, I knew it was Bates Motel, but I had read anything. So he sent me the first six episodes, and I figured I could get to him by the weekend, and I started reading it, and I was up until like three or four more. I read all, and I couldn't wait to call when I said it, and I was like, yeah, of course, are you kidding? So that's the way it worked out for me. It doesn't always work out that way, but there wasn't a lot in the first season for my character in terms of development. So he, when he pitched to me was like, look, eventually, if he was, If there's chemistry with you and normal, we'll pair you guys up.

So thankfully that worked out. There's it work out. Sort of. So, uh, chick is white character. Yeah. I would actually not hire. You're usually cleaning the toilet. You know, because a lot of fans have theorized,

un-officially, you're sort of supposed to be Robert Block, the author of Psycho, because you're writing a book about it. And someone actually pointed this out to me today. This is a doctor. You get when it comes to these discussions, that you're Original Psycho ends when Norman gets arrested and you die after Norman gets arrested so you don't finish the book. That's where the book was. Very observant, yes.

The show, there's echoes that sort of call back to the show that is not sort of beholden to the narrative that was put down in the book and the movie. But, you know, when I was off of the role, originally, Chick was supposed to die. They told me from the gun, they called me up and they said, He'd like you to play this biker who dies at the end. And I was like, you know, I'm kind of already done that. I'm listening. And I said, you know, I just have this idea that this guy can be really ambiguous. It's like that you can make him that you don't know whether to laugh in him or to be terrified.

And then they really, we all sort of tapped into that. Yeah. I feel that way right now, characters in pop culture. People know, you know, you know, because it's a role of the lifetime. And at the same time, like, how do you prepare to get into the mindset of this character? Do you go back to the original movies? Did you read the book? Or did you just kind of trust what the scripts were?

I think, yeah, primarily it was sort of trusting the scripts. I think we all sent, from the very beginning, a sense of freedom to, perhaps because of the contemporary setting, that it didn't need to be exactly as psycho was. and in that way I didn't need to mimic even Anthony Perkins's every move I mean certainly there was a you know at 10 times I think as we went forward

more and more to use his performance as a source of inspiration and things that call back and refer that to the movie and a reminiscent of it but at the same time it was never I don't know I never felt any any real trepidation in terms of feeling that you had to live active as other performance. I mean, you kind of just get on with your job and hope it turns out for the best.

Right. And trust it. For you three guys, at what point did you realize that Base Montel was as big as it was? And when people were coming up to you about it, did you, were you surprised how many of them, didn't know Psycho? And just a very brief story, I went to a bank, but I think they're in a scene. I think they're in a season of one or two. I was wearing lovely color. I was like, what's that?

I'm like, it's Norman Bates from Psycho. She's like, oh, like Bates in a motel? And I'm like, yeah. She's like, but that's mother. And I'm like, no, I'm gonna be able to take place. And she's like, what? You know, this is a good thing. I hope people will love the show and go back to the original Psycho

because it is a classic film, as is all about British John stuff. But did you guys get a sense in that that you were meeting fans that had no idea that was based on something else? I have. I need to get on. You gotta go, yes he does. Thank you.

You got the new followers, right. You know, I haven't quite had that experience. I mean, I know that there are people who haven't watched the film, but no, for the most part, I mean, the fans who come up to us are incredibly loyal fans, and they're so educated on the show and all the nuances, and that's the fun thing, especially about me, me, you guys are talking about those things that, I mean, we, I mean, we get into it because, you know, we love to do sort of nods to the film or just nuances in our relationship. But it's nice to see that it resonates with you guys and when we get to talk about it.

It's, that's my part, you know, you catch those little things. But in terms of, you know, I haven't had that experience, but I do, if you haven't watched Psycho, I recommend you watch it. We all directed this last season, so we had to watch it. We had to watch it. to watch it to pay on it to pay on lunch to it and uh man does a film holdup it's phenomenal yeah yeah it's fallen in three the whole review in terms of directing but was that always a goal to get an opportunity to direct son became a very kind of crew so i guess it's less

intimidated to direct a show that you've been a big part of so what was it like stepping behind the director's chair and you know in particular Max, I love, you guys all did little subtle nods to Psycho, but you did my favorite, which is the infamous shot of Norman, kind of, what he's getting in Terry, you know, he's getting the candy party doesn't understand. Thank you. Yeah, that shot was actually kind of funny,

because I think in the movie, we were talking to the camera guy, we're like, can we make this happen in one move? Like, can you move all the way in and figure it out? And he's like, nah, it's really weird. I think the show goes, I mean, I think it was a great place for all of us to start because it was something that we were all really familiar with as far as the look of the show that was obviously already established. And also I think that to some extent it's really nice, at least I felt this on the other side, as an actor, working with these guys as a director because we're so close and a lot of times on television you get new directors in all the time and you maybe don't always trust all of their decisions.

so that's you're so close confidence that's higher and so I think that transfers over and you see that when you watch the episodes yeah there was one director

in the pitch that Norman had superpowers and this is how he was going to overcome Dylan in a fight scene at the show so in that way we had an advantage the

porcupine But no, we're really lucky to... I mean, I think Max and I were both lucky, because... Sorry, but... Because Nested did such a brilliant job directing for season three and four, that if he'd have messed up,

they wouldn't really have, you know, wanted to entrust us with the opportunity to do so. And then, yeah, and the actors that you get to work with, as an actor, you feel so lucky like everyone gets the scene so quickly and you can work on the important stuff in the scene and the nuances of it as opposed to everyone's just so professional and I was really lucky with my episode that I got loads of snow in Vancouver so I had the first snowy episode and then great scenes with Max and the Cherof Green with broke out on the porch I love that one and of course their big kind of finale Chicks are passing, which was... It was just a joy to do it.

It was such a pleasure to do it. And I remember the writer was on set at the time, and I was looking over to me and I was like this close just a one of them breathing really heavily. What are you doing? I was just so gross by what these two were doing. Since you brought up, I'd love to talk about Chick's untimely death.

And of curiosity, who cheered for Chick's death? You were very well like to spend it out of good stuff. Just briefly. The chick is not. So, it was definitely one of the most fun bits of the final season. It was, you know, I've said this to Nestor privately a bunch of times. While you were shooting that scene, I was having a little bit of trouble in that scene. I couldn't quite find it.

It was, you know, I knew that it was going to be the end of this character. And it was my coverage. It was a shot on me. And this guy comes in, he could see that I was struggling in this scene a little bit. It totally just changed his performance and totally amped it up and really changed the entire sort of trajectory at the scene

and it really helped me with my performance. I thought that the ending was brilliant. I loved the little ding in the end. The only thing that I heard that I heard that I didn't make any shot was at some point, there was this, I don't remember what episode was with you and I, but I referenced you as master. base.

With Master, because I have a clear example. The thing that's so satisfying about the show and getting a new five seasons is that literally each and every one has had an incredible character art to play. There's such a difference between season one and season five. And I'm curious, through your art, what was the most fun aspect of your character to play? Personally, I liked husband Romero with a big... I was so sorry to tap the other. It was a tough scene.

It was a tough scene and you were amazing before I got you. I just didn't know my last. That's what I was seen in the way. But then I remembered and it got back. That was a tough scene to shoot, but fine. I think we're all great arts, you know, and I was lucky enough to know, or I had a sense that they were gonna pair me up with Norman.

That's not always the case on a show. Carlton had planted that sort of that seed in me. When we started it, we connected it, And then it was sort of told me, yeah, he got to be, you know, at some point that land. So it's nice to know that I could start sort of emotionally opposite to where I was going to end up. So that guy was so close, he barely removed his face. You know, this is a guy was pretty tight, knowing full well that when I felt for her, that she would open me on him. So I had that to look forward to.

It only took me four seasons to get there, but finally I did. And then only to unravel completely in the fifth season and just become a madman and completely lose it. So, I mean, a role like that, and like all of our roles, it's just a genuine gift. And it's the kind of thing that you don't get to do. I would very often on a film or a TV show, not to that extent, and to that great detail. So it was, I mean, a beautiful ride for me and I know for all these guys. Right. And what about you, Max, because you, again, you have to be with you so much.

You get to be the loving husband and father by the end of the show, and then you're kind of in the drug tree kind of early on, do some questionable things. But again, I think the thing that people related to you is that you're kind of the audience's POV when you would comment on Norman's really weird behavior. And I've heard the term. Everybody was thinking it, and I was just saying that, right? Exactly.

And I've heard the term thrown around and didn't miss my spirit animal. But what was your favorite aspect to play over the course of the five years? Because again, you guys have to do so much. I think, you know, I don't know, I guess the overall arc of the character was fun to play. I mean, to be honest, like, our way through,

I wasn't really sure where it was going was done. I was like, all right, what's going to happen with this guy? And there were times, like, honestly, where there were moments of when I was, like, a little disappointed because I was like, okay, I show up, like, this badass dude on a motorcycle, smoking cigarettes, like, growing weed. And by the end, I can be, you know, before the day's over, I'm going to leave them with a baby in a minivan. They were a lot of fun to play, and kind of really sort of brought it home, so to speak, for me.

So it was fun. It was a lot of fun. And what about you, Fred, because you got to do so much amazing stuff. Throughout the whole course of the show, I think for me personally, season four is, it is playing flawless, your performance. From the start of season four on, it's just like, wow. And it's a shame. He's not been out of his favorite for you.

He's been trying. So what was your favorite aspect of playing one? And is he easy to let go now that the show is over? All of us are finding it hard in different ways to let the show go. I mean, there's not being used to finishing every season and going off to a separate parts in the world, but then there's always the promise of being able to return just to another season at some point.

So it'll probably perhaps hit later on that sense of, oh, we're not going back to our house in Vancouver. That's completely destroyed. It was 12 hours after we finished being seriously. We were back having lunch on stage, and then bits of the house started to come by. I think that's the window, isn't it? You're just set this image of the house

just completely attacked and destroyed it. They'd have a good time tearing it down. But in terms of this season, great fun to explore the mother side of Norman more and more and getting to do, and particularly with Chick actually towards the beginning of the season when Norman's in the dress, in the wig and it's kind of full-on switched into that mother persona. That was a really exciting new part to explore and kind of work in tandem with Vera. I guess I'd never done it before and need to achieve this idea of creating a character that we both had input into and we both do takes one after the other and kind of what for the other person did you incorporate some of that and incorporate your own thing so it was a real mix of two for two people and then you just get it you know adjusting to I definitely thought to close my legs more time you didn't

it takes a while to get used to that and that like but um about this about this year What was... Next question. I had one funny story. Yeah, that was... You remember this? I walked into the makeup trailer and I was dressed as chick. And I walked in and he's got the full get up on.

He looks over me, he's pointing and he's laughing and goes, you're gonna wear that. You just assume a completely normality by the end of it. It's like telling it on. It's really cathartic. People say, do you take it home? You know? You're like, get out all your murderous tendencies on set.

I think you kind of feel good. I took you guys about is, yeah, you just started to see the shower scene. I mean, I think this is the thing we were waiting for from the moment the show is announced. And that you guys killed it and the way that he switched it all around, how early did you know that that was going to be what the shower scene was in the show version? Well, especially was, because he directed the one that preceding that, the first, the first Brianna episode, they became known out. you know, it was ultimately a really smart decision.

I think everyone is at first, you know, to be honest, all taken aback by it because you think, oh, this is what we're actually not gonna do such a, people are just, they're gonna be riots, you know, you can't do this to hitchock still, but I think ultimately it became a nice, you know, the homage was there, and you get two showers, you know, for the price of what.

The enlarged, but it also fitted more in line with the Bates Motel mythology that we'd created in its own right, and seemed like a more modern version too. It seemed that that, it fitted in with Rihanna's more contemporary Marianne Cray and had a better message, I think, behind it. I'll stand to them today. I didn't mean to say that. Question, so raise your hand. Shelner-Reyer stand up, please? I was actually talking to Nestor a little bit earlier.

I actually have Tourette. Yeah, hey, man. I actually have Tourette's syndrome for most of my life. And regardless of that, I was conflicted about if I want Remover to succeed or Bates or Norman Bates or, you know, I suffer from it. So I know it's not mental, but it's psychological. to be neurological, some very like, I was conflicted, but actually I meant to tell you, I'm writing a book on Tourest for the past like five years now to help people, disabilities. So when I was watching, I was thinking to myself, one of the quotes I put in my book was one of the worst weapons

that can be used against you was yourself. And, you know, I was rooting for Norman and rooting for, you know, but when I got to, even towards the end of the fifth, I didn't realize how Norman could, you know, the balance, how, how the, the, the, the balance, how, how the balance like fully between them as mother. So, and I want to say, like, I believe there's always going back, even when you're so deep in like your mind, you know, because I still deal with like stuff in my head. You can't escape, you know, if you can't, sorry. If you can't heal the mind, once you heal the mind,

the rest of your body is fine and you're focused on one thing at a time. So I just wanted to mention that I empathize with Norman, regardless he's a killer. I'm not a violent person. But I will say if there's a, I have a ragnophobia, in regards to I watch all these horror movies, so I will say that if there's a spider, I said I become Al Capone. I want his family dead. I want his, whatever dead. I want his

house burned in the ground. That's the only time I would get violent, but I just want to specify that. So thanks. Thank you. And the show was amazing. And I want to thank you. Congratulations on your book. Thank you. I'm still working on it, but thank you. Thank you. So she's by ear, do you have the same thing about beer? Beirat. You're terrible to be. Extraordinary. I wish you were here because I know she loved us and she loved the E guys. She's working right now. But she, Vera set the tone. You know, she was the main shark of the show in more ways than one and she, you know, she had the show on her

back the whole first two three seasons. I mean obviously, Freddie as well, but really Vera took the bull by the horns and really helped establish the tone of the show as much as the actor as the person. So, here's a kind of actor who will sit on set you all know this, rarely go back to her trailer because she's at work and she's there for the crew. She's one with the crew and it was amazing to see that because that set the tone for everyone. So nobody who came and you said, I mean, it was rampant in a name when we'd go back. We were all in there, sat in your chair, waiting for the light and we'd be finished so we can get to it. So that, hopefully, it spoke volumes to me and I know it to everybody else.

But yeah, she's a real deal. She's awesome. I think the person, yeah, I think that the part to move on from, I'm sure for all of us, is not to be, like, working with her because the past five years have been, you honestly can't hope for somebody better to work with and spend all that time with for sure. She was wonderful. I think what she brought to the show at the very beginning, or was perhaps the first to notice and dig out was the humor in the show.

The dark humor that was always a stare and always present. and everything, and that balanced it off against the, you know, more horror-like aspects of the show. To such an extent that, I mean, it's funny because you talk to people who are horror fans, and I've never thought that the basement house is a horror show at all. I mean, I think that's testament to what Vera grounded it in emotionally from the very beginning. I mean, it wasn't, you know, who's around the corner, who's the, you know, the creepy figure in the darkness. But those horror beings always felt real and grounded. And as I said, offset by that human, acute,

that Vera brought. And it became so much more than just a horror show. And I think large part of that is down to her. Any more questions? Grail. Yeah. This is about Dylan's dunkel. The payload.

Dengal. Yeah. Actually, she coined, my daughter coined the phrase, but Chick made pretty short work of him and they never brought him up. Do you think that would have affected you and how you felt about? Yeah, I think that would have,

I think that would have majorly affected me. And filming, I honestly, like, I wonder in the same thing. I'm kind of reading through the scripts after episode three. Brent is true. Well, I thought like that was like something that I guess it only fit so much stuff and obviously they felt like it wasn't necessary

but I felt like it would be interesting to show that, you know, at least in the end little sequels there or something, but I think they wanted to make that as positive as possible. So they left the sad stuff out at the end for Dylan. They thought he'd been through enough by the end of it, I think. Four questions. Way back there, view the blog gets there. The first two episodes, I just feel like realize that Norman calls Norman mom instead of mother.

And I don't know if there was a certain thing that triggered... I don't think there was an incident as such that started the mother thing. I think that in the first few episodes there was a mixture of both mom and mother, I think, as far as I can call. And then kind of just never said mom and just said mother. mom was written and I just kind of weird. But it seemed to, those little quarks, I guess, of a character could only really come in in a big way. And that's not perhaps the best example because it's so, you know, prominent and psycho anyway. But as Lester was saying, they had six scripted for us and before we started filming.

And once they start seeing people's performances and understanding what the actors are bringing to the role, that's superly new is on the page, then the character really does come to life. And so I think in those later episodes, for the first season for everyone who is involved, they start writing the role with you in mind as opposed to just a role that they can't quite picture or imagine in reality yet.

And that's what's been exciting about working on, you know, this little on a TV show in general is the opportunity for much greater collaboration in that way. you realize this time is right for you once they've seen the performance that you're giving. And so that's what's been exciting. Right at frame? Norma then Norm had such an inappropriate relationship.

Did network ever like you pull back on that and then further? How inappropriate did it get? I don't think it was that in an appropriate. They were involved with each other. They are... No, I don't think the network ever wanted to pull it back. I do think that it was always grounded and always suggest it as opposed to... as opposed to overt.

I mean, it's probably the biggest place... I guess it's a very selected memory. I didn't seem that they had to reach you because it was too much. too much. He reshot it because certain people thought it was too much. But I think it was much more overt and sexual than it was originally there. It was the scene in, which episode was it? Yeah, in like episode two in season four.

And Norman needs to get the gun of Norman up in the bedroom and she kind of comes around the bed and it sort of seduces him and then you see, you know, put her hand down and then they added in this close-up of her hand, grabbing the gun and you kind of didn't like stroking the gun to get an eye I didn't think that was like any less in the reshoot to make it less suggest it because they didn't have the child of the gun so instead there's just her hand reaching down so i think you know gilman's feelings this by the way complicated woman's point of me they were there were much more here and i think she was uh she was never into north woman in perhaps the same way that was

imagine mother at times. That's going to the way that was appropriate. She had with his dad made anything to do with her so close to me and not to see you now. Say that again, sorry. Did I think that Norma... Because of how the relationship with her brother, Her brother, you don't think that made it from her mind.

No, I think, you know, of course. I think, you know, the relationship that she had had with Kada was extremely complicated. But if any, but I truly don't think that Norma, you know, very well here, I'm sure she'd have, you know, much more insight into this than any of us. But I don't think Norma ever imagined sleeping with Norman. never imagined, never had a sort of desire inside her to do it. I didn't think so, maybe you did, oh no, no, but mistaken along the way.

Oh, yeah. Um, and I think, I think the tragedy of the whole thing, and it was funny sort of looking back at, when I saw the last episode, so for the last time, and, you know, that scene at the end, that match was so brilliant in with Norman and Dylan. And normally says, you know, if you believe it hard enough, you can make it that way.

And I felt like that kind of summarized the whole show to a large extent. The idea that everyone had good intentions, everyone was trying to do the right thing, and that they got way made along the way, and their own desires were getting away, but ultimately they were all good people. even normal

I think he genuinely tried to do trying to do the right thing. Romero did, Dylan did, and they all have this dream and some, and the sort of saddest thing is that it was almost the same dream that they all shared and yet they still couldn't get right. You know, Dylan saying that he wished

you know, of course he wished that Norma was still alive and his daughter would have a grandmother and that they don't be there in his family and that's what Norma really wanted and Norman wanted and they could have worked it out with Romero too. And Chip, you know, was happy to live in the house. But the sad thing is they all ended up, you know,

without that very dream, they all started. We have time for two more questions. That's the one. I'm very talented about the truth. Libby of Cook. Oh, yeah. Gotta give it up for Emma. Living here.

The old life. She's amazing. She's so talented. And, you know, when the first season she showed up, I think she was like 18. And she really, she had never done anything acting wise. She came over from England. I had a really hard time breaking her accent. I think in the first season, so were they, they wrote her British dad.

Her sort of like blossom as an actress over five years was honestly like, it was amazing. It was remarkable to watch just sort of her transformation. as an actress and as a woman, it was kind of just, I don't know, it was really cool to see. And obviously she's really, really sweet and kind and we all have lots of nice things to say about her. I think we're talking about one more. I'll have to go there. Different sound. What's up?

If you could be a different character in the show? Yeah. Yeah. If you could pick a different character to play, we would be able to. I think in the last scene, Nestor would have chosen to. For sure. Maybe normal. For me, Romero was for sure. I couldn't have been faster anymore. You know, play normal.

You meet Jow? Season 1 to the finale. The Jav does make her reappearance. Jow was the people already. The same slave in season one who was caught up the whole thing. I think I wouldn't really want to play Jal. I was more just thinking of something. The sex play from season, the one that escapes, is the realtor selling the house at the end of the final. Wow. Yeah, after we watched them. They brought her back to that. It was really cool.

That's what happened to Jiao. She kind of ran out into the woods and people because he came around to the agent. All right, listen, thanks to all these guys for all their time.