The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #51: Alien (1979) & Alien: Covenant (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: December 3, 2021

This week, Kaitlyn joins us to talk about Alien and Alien: Covenant. Thanks for listening!

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anything that's been out for at least a year. The other thing we may... And this one's been out from 40, so... The other thing we may do from time to time, maybe not as much tonight since we have a... We have an audience over here listening in, but we still may use a few four-letter words. They've definitely heard them before, haven't you, Caitlin? Yeah.

Once or twice? Yeah. And you've seen our main feature we're talking about as Alien. What did you think about Alien, the movie? Did you like it? It was good. And you remember watching it with Papaw many, many years ago? No, not at all.

You don't remember? you don't remember Ripley? The main girl that lives at the end? No. Okay, well, may have to go back in a second. That's cool, man. My four-year-old was watching it with me.

I had a whole alien binge going on. And she was watching it the whole time. I'm telling you, it was crazy. I think there was a lot of that going on, not just with our group either. What do you think, Brian? What's alien binging this week? Oh, yeah, I went through the franchise.

Of course you did. at least this one was pretty decent for the most part yeah I would say was that your cool of the week one of the one of the alien movies on a rewind yeah yeah I went through the original I didn't do the alien versus predator I figured because we're gonna probably end up

reviewing the new predator when it comes out so I'll save those but um right probably I'm not sure they really count anyway yeah I'll probably talk about I'll probably talk about Alien 3 because I've seen a version of the movie that I've never seen before. What? I've heard that one was

better. Yeah. I was waiting for the scene with the dog and, you know, the alien coming out. But in this version, it came out of a, I guess it was an ox or something that they used to like, like, toe like trailers and stuff with.

And there was a, yeah, there was a whole scene of when Ripley's plane crashes, how she washes up on shore and she just completely like covered in like some kind of oil or grease or something and it's just so many different scenes that I just was like I've never I've probably seen that movie like a few times and I've never recognized any of these scenes but it it actually made made it a little bit better in my opinion so you think that's all I've got a director director's cut out there somewhere

huh yeah somewhere maybe the version I've seen What were you saying, Phil? No, that's what I've heard, is that there was a director's cut with some different scenes that made the movie a little bit better because, you know, Alien 3 kind of gets a bad rap, but I'm sure we'll get in. So is that your cool of the week, Brian? Yeah, pretty much the alien franchise. Even Alien Resurrection, I kind of like it because it's a little goofy. It's kind of, it's a change of. pace. I wouldn't say it's a

great movie, but well, yeah, but none of them are really bad. Yeah, I mean, there's better than others. There's a basketball scene in this movie, you know, that kind of tells you where this movie was going, and I forget

to act his name. He plays like the general or captain or something. He was one of the main bad guys in Commando. The dictator guy. Okay. He was Dan Hadea

Yeah, he's so over the top In this movie Gotcha His acting And I don't know I mean I still enjoyed it You know

I had Ron Perlman Winona Ryder It's horrible in this movie Yeah she really is Ron Pearlman Was kind of over the top This one actually Yeah

But you know Overall I enjoyed it You know Yeah I would say the whole franchise Redoing The whole franchise

Is my cool of the week Awesome What about What about you, Phil? Man, I'll kind of go down that same route because I did the same thing. I watched all of them except Alien versus Predator, including Prometheus. I think my cool of the week, out of all the alien movies, and I wish that we were reviewing this one instead, is aliens.

Really? Because that is by far my favorite. Super awesome movie. Right. Yeah, my not cool of the week, though, is... My man Chris Cornell passed away. So rest in peace. Oh, yeah.

I probably should have said something. We had a few deaths that we didn't even mention on the last episode. Michael Parks passed away. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Powers Booth passed away. And I don't know if you guys are familiar with Christopher Big Black Boykin. A lot of people getting taken down. Damn the man.

Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people. A lot of people passed away. So RIP to everybody. Yeah, but still, cool the week goes to aliens. That was definitely a fun movie. I kind of wish that James Cameron came back to direct some of the sequels. Ah, yeah, that wouldn't be a bad thing.

Other than him promising to make these seven or eight sequels to the Blue World or whatever it is, that's supposed to be coming out. Anything really happening with that? Brian, what have you heard? Allegedly, the recently announced release dates

are locked, but they said that before and they changed them. So, other than, I don't know. So anyone... And Ridley Scott is supposed to have

another two or three sequels to the Prometheus thing. Yeah, before he finally run into the original alien. I think he did that because he just totally was not trying to have Neil Blomcamp do that alien movie he was going to do. I guess.

Because he just totally just, as soon as that news, yeah, that news came out that he was going to bring back Ripley and Michael Bean's character. Right. And the little girl, Newt, all of a sudden, Ridley Scott has like five alien movies coming out. Right. out of nowhere.

He's making them up on the fly. Which is crazy because the next one is going to be a prequel to covenant. From what I live? No. No way. A prequel to covenant. I think they're jacking him around like that. Yeah.

No. The covenant, but after Prometheus. Yeah. So like a Wednesday, when they stand on the planet kind of thing. Okay. Well,

that should make, that should make Kevin happy because he's bitching like crazy about how much they didn't show about what happened between Prometheus and this one. Thank you. You know, so I guess, I don't really want that. I mean, there is a little short video online. It has a new me, yeah, Numer Pace and Michael Fassbender. Right. Actually, I think Kevin sent that to me or something.

Yeah. I didn't know that. I just saw that. We'll get into it later, I guess. Yeah. What do you guys think about the direct, the master's, Mexican director Alfonso Coron. You have to make fans like Gravity or any of those

films that he's done? Gravity was really cool to see in the theater, but I haven't rewatched it since then and haven't really wanted to. Right. Yeah, like it was cool to see once. I'm not really jumping at the opportunity to see it again, though. Well, my, yeah, I mean, I've watched a lot

this week, guys, but Mike, I mean, the wife's out of town. She's, she's, she's, she's, She's in Utah for a week, so I'm catching up on a lot of stuff. But no, Michael of the Week, hands down, 2006 film that he directed is called Children of Men. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah. It takes place in London and, you know, as they say, the quote-of-quote, not-too-distant future.

Basically, people aren't able to have children anymore, reproduce. and I mean that movie is just in my opinion a masterpiece. I mean, it just, I think it was better on this watch than the first couple of times I saw it. It's almost like every time I see it, I catch more in it. And, I mean, it had scenes that just almost had me weeping. It was just really well shot. And I did notice that the same director of photography that he uses for this. And Brian, I'm sure you'll remember the opening scene in the Revenant, the continuous shot scene.

Yes. It's the same, yeah, same director of photography guys that I did some research. And he's also from Mexico. So, and I think he actually did Birdman as well, which was shot in a continuous shot. So, yeah, children of men, anybody who hasn't checked it out, 2006 movie, highly recommended. It's classic. Yes, it is. Yeah.

Man, I ought to go check that one. Brian, I know you got a trailer of 12 for us this week, but do we have any news? Got a whole bunch of news, and I guess we'll start with an update. Carl Urban may return as Judge Dredd for the TV show. Yes. Oh, look out. That was my question last week, remember? Yeah, I remember.

Yeah, right now, I don't know if it's a rumor or if they're in negotiation, but I really hope he comes back. I thought he was perfect for the role. Yeah. Yeah, I'll definitely watch that. Let's see. Zach Efron's going to play Ted Bundy in a movie called Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Bile.

Wow. I've heard about that one, yeah. That's a trip. Ted Bundy's supposed to be a decent-looking guy who's, you know, very persuasive, which is why he gets all these women that he can kill. Right. I don't know if this might...

I don't know if this might turn you away. it's directed by Joe Beringler. I believe that's how you pronounce his name. He did Book of Shadows, Blair Witch 2. Oh, wow. Well, everybody deserves another chance. Let's see here. Here's a question and I had asked our Facebook group.

I think last week, the Flash still doesn't have a director. Right now on the short list is, Robert Zemeckis and Sam Rameh. They've just added Matthew Vaughn to that list. Oh, that could be interesting. So my question, I don't know if you guys answered on the Facebook

in the Facebook group. Out of Zemechis, Ramek and Varn, who would you guys choose? Rameh doesn't seem like a good fit. I don't remember. What was the last thing Zemecas did? You actually got me looking that up right now. You guys carry on.

I'm looking it up because I can't remember the last thing he did. What about Vaughn? What did he do? X-Men First Class. Kingsmen. Okay. And the new Kingsman.

Yeah. So, I believe he did kick-ass, too, the first one. All right. That definitely fits superhero movies. So hopefully he does it. And he does something in the DC world justice. Oh, the last Zemeckis film guys was The Walk, which was that one that was about the guy that walked across from one of the Twin Towers to the others on a tight rope. With Joseph Gordon Levitts.

Yeah, yeah. Never saw it. Yeah, I didn't see it either. He did fly. That's because nobody gives a shit. Oh, flight was pretty good. Yeah, I mean, it was a good one, but it was still like, I don't know, man. It was way serious for.

I think we can all say Matthew Vaughn's a good fit. Yeah. Yeah. That's my pick. Okay. Let's see. Oren Uzel, I believe I said his name right. He is directing the new movie God Particle that's the next in the Cloverfield universe.

Right. He's supposed to be the one rebooting Mortal Kombat, and he gave an update saying that this version will be a R-rated version of The Avengers with over-the-top gore. Huh. Okay. Yeah. That's all I needed to hear. Yeah, let's see how it goes.

Let's see. Scott Derrickson, who recently just did, Dr. Strange, is going to direct a pilot episode of Snowpiercer TV show. Wow. He's done a lot of horror, too. Yeah. Sinister. Those were pretty good. Yeah, that could be good, man.

I actually tried to get over to his, I tried to get over to his, uh, I tried to get over to his booth at Comic Palooza, but I couldn't find it. What is that? Somebody was laughing that you didn't make it. Oh, no. All right. I'm sorry. No, it's good, man.

It's all part of the show. Couldn't hear a word that you just said. Is there a bunch of background noise? No, don't hear anything. Okay, cool. All right. let's see Fete Averrez has confirmed

there's going to be a don't breathe too no there doesn't need to be they wrapped it up perfectly yeah and it's it's probably going to be something stupid where he tracks her down oh no

unless it's going to maybe maybe be all new characters like maybe this time it's a deaf guy or something probably not they'll jump in on the on the way that they left it half-ass open. I mean, I'm a...

I kind of like that they did, you know. Yeah, I'm a little intrigued. I guess he showed a rough draft of the script to... I think it was Sam Ramey. And I guess he got super excited about it. Okay. So I don't know if they're just trying to hype it up or... I guess we'll see.

The Purge TV series, they said, will document the other 364 days leading up to the Purge night. Oh, that sounds. Sounds fascinating. Yeah, I don't necessarily think I need to see. I don't need to see the entire year. Maybe like. That's the stupidest idea of it.

Terrible description. Speaking of terrible, Fox is canceled Scream Queens. I don't know if you guys ever checked that out. I've never seen a single episode. I've seen the first episode of season one. And it's definitely not for me. And I don't, I don't necessarily think it's for anybody, really. So you're not, you're not heartbroken.

No. Let's see. Christina Hendricks, star of Madman and Bailey Madison have been cast as strange as too. As you guys referred to her last week or something, the one with a huge, well, wait a minute, we get kids in here. Yeah. Okay, you get a red-headed chick with cans. Right. she has been cast in

Strangers 2 Oh geez Strangers 2 Yeah the strangers 2 That doesn't need a sequel either Why are they Find fucking random movies Come on

Yeah I don't know Oh boy Johanus Roberts from 47 meters down Is gonna direct it I can't really pass judgment Because I haven't seen 47 meters down So Yeah

a little too early to call. A few weeks too early for that one. Yeah. This is a good one for the kids. Goose bumps, too, is officially titled Goosebumps Horrorland. Okay. Hey, we got some people that can chime in on that. Yeah, release date of September 21st, 2018. So a little over a year from now. All right. Can I bring a little mini interview in here, guys? Sure. Yeah. Caitlin, did you see goosebumps?

Yes, I did. What did you think? How did the movie compare to the TV show? TV shows are scarier than the movie. Uh-oh. So it wasn't all that. Was it just like kind of humorous? Like a lot of comedy? Or what did you think? A lot of action? A lot of action. Special effects?

Yeah. But not as good of storytelling maybe? No. Gotcha. The TV show is more like scarier and interesting. Right. I will agree. Right.

You have anybody you can ask over on your side, Phil? No, they are all out there and I'm going to leave them out there because somebody was crying a minute ago and I'm not going to get in the middle of shit. Brian, what about you, Brian? My daughter, I do not know where she is. She's running around somewhere. She is excited for this and she probably will agree that the show is more scarier because she kind of tapped out of the show.

Right, gotcha. A little too intense for her, huh? Yeah. Uh-oh. What is happening? Our mascots are in full swing over here. It sounds scary. Okay, we're going to move on to the Dark Crystal

is getting a prequel series on Netflix. Right. Wait, that's like old puppets, right? Yeah, the Jim Henson. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I remember that one. It's going to be a 10-episode series called The Dark Crystal Age of Resistance. Huh.

Any idea what the story's going to be? They haven't said, but Jim Henson's Creature Shop and Brian Frowd, who is the original, he did the original feature designer or something art for it. is coming back to do it. I know a lot of people are real excited about it. There's a flurry of Facebook activity talking about it. I've seen that. I hope it holds up.

Yeah, I was a big fan of it when I was younger. I kind of wonder if they're not, because I saw a couple of still images from it. I haven't seen the trailer or anything, but I'm kind of curious if they're going to actually try to make it look more like that, like to have that retro look to. Okay. The man of the couple of features we're talking about,

Ridley Scott, is curating as sci-fi block for TNT, original programming. Is he like directing it? No, I think he's just going to be the guy in charge of, I don't know, I don't know exactly. Yeah, define curating. Yeah. Oh, geez. Now we're off the rail. We're flying by the seat of our pants over here tonight.

Polchigast. Okay, where do we go from here? Universal is teasing a child's play video game. Oh, I'm all in, man. I think they're... I think they're waiting to see how Friday of the 13 video game does. I'm super excited about that one.

It's coming out of the 26, I think, officially. Really? Yep. I saw a preview to that on Facebook where Jason was killing people and they had like a WWE announcer in the background. And it was super funny and I'm totally down for that game. Wow. Okay, let's see.

Get Out director, Jordan Peel and JJ Abrams. I heard about this. Yep. teaming up for a new HBO series called Lovecraft Country. Yes. Oh, man, I can't wait. Okay, I got a quick little

synopsis here. After his father, okay, the main character's name is I'm probably going to mess up his name. Atis, Black? Somebody correct me on that. After his father goes missing,

Black joins up with his friend, Letitia and his uncle George to embark on a road trip across 1950s Jim Crow America to find him. Wow. This begins a struggle to survive and overcome both the racist terrors of white America and the malviolent spirits that could be ripped from a Lovecraft paperback. Wow, what a what a mashup, man. Yeah.

How can that not be good? And we'll see how it goes. I'd like to see Jordan Peel do something that's not like racism driven. I see what you're getting. at. I see what you're getting at. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's officially turned down Akira. Oh, yeah? He's not doing it.

Really? Yeah, I think he's trying to do more original stuff, I guess. I don't know. And I guess he's felt like it's already been done because he mentioned that Akira is one of of his favorite movies. It's only been in an animated film. Yeah. I think he's fine with the way it was.

So, yeah. But, you know, Jordan, what he did would Get Out and then you got him teaming up with JJ Abrams. That's the part that excites me. And it's on HBO. Those two together? Yeah. I mean, I'll watch it. Don't get me wrong. I just with Get Out, which was great.

And then now we're talking about this going through, you know, the Jim Crow America, which I think is also going to be pretty cool. I just, it would be nice to see him doing something that's not so like race driven. So blatant. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah, I don't know. To me, it just sounds like it's, it's just different from anything that we've really seen on TV.

It's like right now we're in an age where we're kind of like still in the golden age of television with all these really good shows. But I almost feel like I'm starting to get a little bit exhausted with just there's so many offerings out there. know? It's like, how you can you possibly find time to watch everything? And this, the way you described it, I mean, it just caught my attention. It's just like, this is something completely different from anything else that's on right now, you know? Okay. Simon Pegg and Nick Frost are forming a new film and television company called Stolen Pictures, and their first movie will be a horror comedy called Slaughterhouse Rules.

Sign me up. And the film will be set in an elite boarding school. Oh, man. Philip, what are your thoughts here, man? Well, I mean, horror comedy was Simon Pig. Right? Yeah, I'm down. He's got some of the greats.

Yeah, I agree. With them owning the company, they're going to be very hands-on with this stuff. Sounds like it. Like Sean of the Dead all over again. Well, that's what I was wondering. Is this going to be said in the same universe as the Coronado trilogy, or what? As far as I know, let's see, I think I have the director here, directed by Crispin Mills. I'm not too familiar with him, so I don't know with Edgar Wright not being involved.

I'm not sure. It could be. You never know. It could be like a spin-off to the universe that they've created. Yeah, I think that'd be pretty cool. I'd like to be named Crispin. That'd be a fun name. Okay, where are we at?

John Goodman and Vera Formiga are going to star in an extraterrestrial movie called Captive States. And this is going to be directed by Rupert White, who did the first Planet of the Apes movie, the one with James Franco. Right. Oh, okay. Release date on this, August 17, 2018. Scott John Goodman. bear for mega so i mean yeah yeah yeah i mean everything barefamiga has touched lately has been gold so and uh kind of off subject here you guys heard about the the rosan uh reboot yes

oh yeah yeah it's official they're coming yeah they're coming back to i believe a bc i believe picked it up mm-hmm so um yeah i'm kind of excited about that i wish i was I'm not much for a sit-down guy. Yeah, that was a staple for me when I was younger, Roseanne. It's going to be like, oh, yeah, everybody's excited, and then nobody's going to watch it. Yeah, I would really prefer if it was like a Netflix series. That way we can get full Roseanne.

Right. She was probably meant to be. Yeah. because she's actually really funny if you've seen her on like the whatever that comedy show was that she was like one of the judges

last comic standing if you saw her on that okay something more recent then huh yeah she's she's older she's thinner and she's still really fucking funny man so uh

right I say I'm not looking forward to it will I watch it probably not but I'm catch some clips at some point. Maybe it'll offer some good YouTube clips. Right. Okay.

Back to JJ Abrams. He has a World War II horror movie coming out called Overlord, and they just released a cast list. I don't recognize a lot of these people, but the couple I do know, Wyatt Russell and Bokeem Woodbine.

Okay. I am starting to be a fan of Wyatt Russell. I really enjoyed him in that Black Mirror episode. Which one? It was like a horror video game he was playing. Oh, Kurt Russell's son. Yeah.

Okay, sure. Really? Sure. Okay. I thought he was I thought he was really funny in a 22 Jump Street. Okay. Oh, I got you. He was the, uh, okay, all right. So he's got the beard,

very millennial, hipster looking? Yeah. Yeah, okay. He's cool. I like him. Yeah, and there's a lot of rumors that this movie from JJ is in the Cloverfield universe. I guess it's rumored to be the fourth movie. And yet it takes place in World War II? It's a period of use.

Yeah. Weird. That makes no sense. All right. I don't know. That's kind of what pisses me off about what they're doing with the Godzilla movies right now. is because you had that little after credit scene after Skull Island. And to me, that makes no fucking sense.

Because in the King Kong movie, the one with, I'm sorry, the Godzilla movie with Brian Cranston in it, it's like they didn't know he existed, but I better be quiet because we're not spoiler enough out yet, I guess, or whatever. But I don't know. They're really messing with the timelines. I don't know if I like that too much. We may get into some of that talk tonight with our feature movies, too, huh? Yeah, because there's definitely some timeline talking in that one. Yeah.

But, you know, whatever, World War II horror, I'm down. Sign me up. Right. It better be a Nazi experiment. It fucking better be. It's not. Actually, pulled up a synopsis on the eve of D-day. American paratroopers are dropped behind enemy lines to carry out a mission crucial to the invasion's success.

But as they approach their target, they begin to realize there is more going on in this Nazi occupied village and simple military operation. They find themselves fighting against supernatural forces part of a Nazi experiment. There you go, Philip. Sign me up. Your alley, man. I'm done.

I'll think it. All right. This brings me to my last news item, which was breaking news yesterday, and it kind of has me torn on both sides. Tom Hardy has been casted as Venom. Oh, I heard about that. This, okay.

Where I'm at, I'm a big Tom Hardy fan. Yeah. But he's cast it in a movie that has nothing to do with the current Spider-Man that we're about to get next month or in July, I believe. Oh, boy. So I don't know what to think of this. It sounds like Sony's last attempt to hang on, you know, because, I mean, obviously they don't have the rights to Spider-Man anymore, but I guess they do have a minimum. Venom and maybe... They still have the rights.

They just worked at a deal, which from... Oh, did they? Yeah, I just found out. I guess the deal is over in 2020. Okay. Really? That's weird. I don't know.

I don't know what to think about it, but I know that if Spider-Man is not there, this Venom movie has potential, man. But the fact that Sony is doing, it makes me a little bit scared. Yeah, it's... It's like... It's...

It's... got all the things that you want to hear. It's going to be R-rated. It's going to be violent. Yeah. But Spider-Man's not going to be in it. Interesting. I don't understand what they're doing. Yeah, that's odd.

They're just going to rewrite the story just like from Venom Venom's point of view or like the guy who discovers the costume or and I also like to do they also announced they also announced the director. I like Ruben

Fleischer, he did Zombie Land. I love Zombie Land. But it's just you're building this universe without Spider-Man. And I don't know if you can even have Tom Holland, who's the current Spider-Man, in this universe,

because you can't sell an R-rated Spider-Man to the public. I mean, you can, because I would go see it. But, you know, they're obviously going to market it to children. Yeah, wow. I don't know, man. You can't do it.

I don't know what to think here. I mean, you guys know the origin of Venom, right? In the books. So basically, yeah, like Spider, it was during those, the big crossover issues that they had. It wasn't the Infinity Wars. What was it called, Brian? Do you remember that? It was like a crisis of infinite, no, crisis of infinite Earths, wasn't it?

I think, okay. Or about thinking of D.C. God damn it, I'm mixing everything up. There's a lot to remember. I think you're right, Brian. I think it was Secret Wars. Secret Wars. And he found the costume, and it attached to him as a symbiote.

And at first, it made him more powerful, and he had control over it, and then basically it took over. Am I close here? Pretty much. But then somebody else found the costume after Spider-Man got rid of it by reing bells or... Yeah. See, what I hope isn't going to happen is in the Vennon movie, we get, I guess, an older version of Venom

and all we get is references to Spider-Man. Wow. That's what I kind of think is going to happen. I hope that they go like strictly, this is

a standalone movie and change the story completely, which is going to piss a lot of comic book nerds off, but it'll make a better movie. And, I mean, because they already said it was going to be a horror movie with venom in it, you know? I don't think

venom is necessarily going to be the main character. I want to see Alien, but with venom. That sounds awesome. You're not helping the case here, I'm telling you, it would be great. Well, we got, it's coming out rather soon, October 5th, 2018. So,

they are rushing this out. They should have me right next. That's what, that's the deal. I'm going to call them right now. Okay. Sound like they may be picking up on your idea, Philip, who knows. All right. They might as I don't have anybody else better, so here we go. Before we get into the trailer park, we're going to talk about some TV trailers,

kind of not really review them, just kind of want your guys' opinion on them. Okay. Yes. First one is ghosted. No interest. No interest. Zero. Absolute interest.

I thought it was stupid when you explained it to me. This looks fucking funny. I love these guys. I'm in. I'm going to check it out to the alienist. I read the book and it was boring as hell. I read it like in 1996 or whenever it was written and not a huge fan. Not interested next.

This is actually the one where I go back to what Lance was saying earlier where there's so much to watch on TV. I was initially kind of intrigued by the preview. But I'm like, you know what? realistically, no, I'm not going to watch this. I mean, unless I hear later that it's some amazing show, but yeah, probably not even going to check it out. Well, I will probably update you guys because I will definitely check out the first episode. I think it has a good cast.

Daniel Bruill, who was Baron Zemo and Captain America Civil War, Luke Evans, and I believe Dakota Fanning. Yeah, right? And I love Dick Fanning. I totally watch her in this. I think it was a movie. I think it was enough for me to check out the first episode. I think me and Philip kind of talked about on the Comic Palooza episode,

which was only a teaser, but they released a full trailer, was Marvel's The Gifted. Not interested. Next. And to answer your question, why don't they just call him the X-Men? Well, I believe in this universe, they're not even sure of X-Men are around or the Brotherhood.

This is terrible. Is this more of the licensing garbage or what? I'm going to check it out because I'm a little intrigued that the fact that the X-Men aren't around but what turns me away is Brian Singer is involved in this. Yeah, his first couple of X-Men movies were pretty good. And to answer your question last week, Lance,

because you asked if there was any X-Men in here. Blink? Are you familiar with Blink? Somewhat. She was in the Days of Future Pass or movie. Yeah. Or one that teleports? Yeah. Yeah, she's kind of like a fourth tier character.

Yeah, as far as I know. Why not just make an X-Men TV show, have Wolverine Storm, you know, I mean, I don't get it. Why are we flirting around the issue here? Why don't they just come right out and call it what it is? Is it licensing crap? What the hell is going on here? I know as far. No, it's the same argument some people are making about the defenders where he'll say, oh, yeah, you remember that big green guy we fought like two weeks ago?

Why don't they just come right out and say what it is? is. Yeah, it's a licensing. It's his license. See, this is what it is because Fox owns the movie rights

to X-Men. Marvel can make any TV show of any Marvel character they want. And I just don't think they want to

have any kind of a connection with Fox whatsoever. Wow. What a cluster fuck, man. Sorry, girls.

You've heard me say that once or twice before. I mean, this is And I know you used to be a big fan of the comics, right? I read every single one of them, man. And we got to the point where you had X Factor, X-Force, X-Men, New Mutants, you had the

Blue Team, you had the Gold Team, you had all these, you had the Wolverine miniseries, you had the Cable Miniseries, you had the Long Shot miniseries. I read every single one of them, man. Yeah, I think it just comes down to that because even in the comic books, like, because Fox also owns Fantastic Four, in the comics, there is no Fantastic Four. they split them up. Like, they totally don't even want to

have any type of connection with these movies that are coming out. Was it like the Fantastic 2 now or what? No, it's last time I checked, like,

the human torches with the inhumans. The thing has joined the Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh, he's not the fantastic thing? No. Because I think that would be a fantastic name.

Pretty much, I don't even think there's Fantastic Four. At all. Oh, geez. Okay, our next TV trailer, The Orville, with Seth Macbarland. This one looked funny, but hasn't it been done before? I mean, it's another, you know, basically a show making fun to Star Trek. Yeah, it's, what was it called?

Galaxy Quest? Yeah, yeah. You know, it's funny is that we, last week, Philip, we talked to Chad L. Coleman and got a soundbite from him. and we mentioned The Expans, but I didn't even realize he's one of the major characters in this show. I would have brought this up,

asking what it was like to work with Seth. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love Seth McFarland, man. I mean, he's super funny. I hate that this is a TV show and not a movie. Even though it would not be a very successful movie,

I think it would be funny. As a TV show, though, I don't know if it has like staying power, you know? I mean, I guess sitcom style, maybe it'll work for a little while. Maybe, right? It's probably no Galaxy Quest, I'm guessing.

I mean, I'll definitely check it out. Right. Yeah. All right, Lance, probably the biggest one that came out. Star Trek Discovery. Well, come on. You guys don't even need to ask me about this one. You know, what do you guys think?

Well, I wanted you to break it down for us. What's going on in this? What can we expect? Well, I think the special effects are going to be phenomenal. I mean, judging from what I saw in this trailer, I mean, it was very, very much movie quality special effects. It's kind of like what they would have been doing on the Star Trek show if they'd had the budget and the technology to do it all those years. So, for me, it's just going to kind of come down to storytelling. If the stories live up to Roddenberry's image of what Star Trek is supposed to be, then it's going to be a fantastic show.

and it's going to be a beautiful show to watch, but it may not be that great to, you know, wrap your mind around the stories. I mean, are you guys looking forward to this? I'm, you know, I'm not the biggest Star Trek fan, but it does hold a special place with me because my dad is a big tricky. Right.

And so I will definitely check it out. It looks super interesting. And it's like before Captain Kirk and all that, huh? Right. Yeah. apparently 10 years before the original mission. Yeah. It looks super awesome.

I just, it bothers me to no end that it's on this like subscription-based CBS bullshit that I know that we've already talked about. Right. Whatever, dude. They just find a way to screw you for lack of a better term because there are children. present. They've left the room, so. Then fuck you in the ass. That's what they're doing.

God damn networks are fucking you in the ass. We're back. They're finding a way to make their money because they can't make their shit through cable. You know what I mean? It's, it's, they're digging their own grave, is what I'm saying. I don't know, man. I definitely will watch the show, but I'm not paying money to CBS to do it.

I got you. Well, you'll just have to come over and watch it with me every week then before we record, because I guarantee you, dude, I am paying the $6.99 a month to get this, dude. I mean, there's no question to my mind, you know? And also, I've always kind of wanted to go back and watch that TV show, The Big Bang Theory, and that's on CBS. So, you know, it'll give me a good opportunity to, you know,

kind of go back and watch those shows, too. So, because my understanding is they're going to have the entire library available anything CBS has ever done from day one. So, yeah, I'm in, man. You can come check it out with me, and we'll watch the show before we record every week. Yeah, and, you know, the Big Bang Theory is not, I like it. It gets a bad rep, but it's a fun show. I've seen, like, the first season of it, and that's it.

So I'll go back and check those out just because I've got to pick up on all the geek references and stuff, you know? Yeah. You guys want to get into the actual trailer park now? Where are we headed now, boy? Where are we headed to right now? We jumped off the rails and found the trailer park. Let's do it. First one we are going to talk about is a beginner's guide to snuff.

Starring Joey Kern, Luke Edwards, and Bree Williamson, directed by Mitchell Altairie. Quick synopsis, a beginner. The Enner's Guide to Snuff is a pitch black comedy thriller in the vein of early Cohen Brothers films. I have been hearing about this. I guess it's been making its way through the festival circuit. Right. I don't know what to say about this one. Yeah, I was a little confused of what was really going on.

I mean, I know what's going on, but it just seemed a little all over the place. Yeah. It didn't look that great to me until it got to the point where she kind of turned the tables on them. And then it was like, okay, this could be kind of interesting, but I mean, it's not going to be on my top, must see. I kind of feel we just, you know, spoiler alert, kind of feel like we just seen something like that with pet. Yeah, a little bit. But done well, maybe. Yeah, I was going to say from just, just from judging from the trailer, done better. I agreed. Yeah. It sure looked that way, didn't it? Um, we got a release. Um, I think it's, um, I think it's,

already been out, but officially I think it's coming out June 23rd. It might be good, man, but it's just got a super indie movie style to it. I mean, that could go very right or very, very wrong. Totally agree.

Our next one we're going to get into is it stains the sands red, starring Britney Allen and directed by Colin Minahan, who I don't know if you guys checked out the grave encounter movies. The kind of found footage, like,

the basis of the movie is basically these, you know, those like Ghost Hunter shows. Right. Yeah. They go to all these places, and they're basically they're fake. Like, they set up stuff to happen for the show. Okay. And they go into a place where, you know, not to give it away, because I kind of actually enjoyed it. I think it's worth a watch. Basically, shit goes down. Mm-hmm.

You know, and some of the kids, you know, and some of the Some of the crew members don't know exactly if it's real and not. And then like I said, stuff starts happening. Is it a TV series or a movie? No, it's a movie. There's two of them. Okay. The second one is a straight continuation from the first one.

That sounds kind of interesting, man. Yeah, they were on Netflix for a while. I don't know if they're still on there. But if anybody knows how to find them. I'm sure they're out there. So you say that's worth the look, huh? Yeah, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the first one more than the second one, but I think it's worth to watch.

Cool. Quick synopsis for this. Let's see. A troubled woman from Las Vegas with a dark past finds herself stranded in the desert with a lone and ravenous zombie on her trail. And from the trailer, they're trying to say this is one of the best zombie movies made in a long time. Right. They had, they kept having a bunch of critics to have pop up, you know, this is as good as, you know, Romero's movies. Yeah.

I'm going to be honest with you. If this is the movie, what it really is with the zombie following her, it's going to piss me off because why don't you just kill the zombie? So he's not following you. I think it's maybe her boyfriend or husband or something. I don't know. from the very beginning of it. I got to say, I wasn't super interested

until they started throwing those little review tidbits out there about, you know, the greatest zombie movie ever and all that shit. And now I'm like, okay, I think I have to watch this. I mean, I have to watch it now. So you're believing the hype, huh?

I don't know, but I have to watch it to find out. Yeah, finding out what the director did before that I was I was I liked I'll probably check it out for that but if this like I said if this is the movie it's just this one zombie following her from majority of the movie right I don't know it better be the story better be captivating or something I don't know I guess remains remains to be seen uh we got a release date um I think July 14th but I'm not 100 sure okay I'm sure we'll check it out.

I don't know if we'll review it. I mean, it's a pretty packed summer movie-wise, you know? Oh, yeah. And to our final trailer, Oakja, the new Netflix movies. Yes. Now, this looks fascinating. I don't know how else to put it. This looks like it's different from anything I've seen in a long time.

Okay, we got a jam-packed cast here of Tilda Swinton, Jake Gyllenhall, Paul Dano, Stephen Hune, Everybody knows him as, uh, uh, shit. I just blanked on that. I said everybody. From the walking dead. Yes, thank you. Uh, Lily Collins. Lily Collins. Jill Collins daughter, by the way. Uh, Jean Carlo Esposito, who is Gus from, uh, Breaking Bad. Absolutely. Sure. And, um, I'm going to try my best with this name, Seo Hian, who I believe is the main girl in the movie. Exactly. Yeah, you, you pronounced it exactly correctly, man. Okay. And, um, I'm going to try my best with this name. Okay, and Bong Joon Ho is the director. Absolutely, dead on, man.

All right. Yes. He is the director of Snowpiercer. We talked about earlier tonight. Quick synopsis. Meet Mija, a young girl who risk everything to prevent a powerful multinational company from kidnapping her best friend, a massive animal named Okja, which my wife has seen the trailer, and she says she wants one.

I don't know where we keep it. Good luck. It looks like a big, cute computer animated hippo. That's exactly what Caitlin said. It looks like a big computer-generated hippo. Yeah. Yeah, I am totally in on this movie. This cast looks great.

It looks like it's going to be one of those like, I think, tug at your heartstrings type movies. And like I said, I think everybody's going to want to oak just. after this movie. Right. Because he seems super cool. And O-Jat and a baby group, right? Yes. Those will be the big things.

I like the trailer. I hope that it doesn't have an agenda because that's kind of what I felt like watching the preview. Did you? Yeah. Yeah, like a little political book, and I get too much of that shit from Facebook as it is.

Yeah, I can understand where you're saying, especially with a, Tilda Swinton's character. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But it's Tilda Swinton and that scene where she's like just kind of going on about the animals, you know, the benefits of this animal. And then she's just like, and it's fucking delicious, you know.

Right. She, her alone makes me want to watch this movie. She's great in almost everything. Yeah. And I'll watch it and I'll probably like it. But it's probably got an agenda and it's probably going to piss me off. And I kind of like, I kind of like they didn't throw Jake Gyllenhaal around a lot in the trailer. I don't even know.

I didn't even know he was in the trailer. I didn't even know he was in the cast. I think he's the guy at the end who has the sunglasses and hat on and he's like about to announce Occia. And he's like one, the only, you know, that guy at the very end. I think that's him. Sure. Okay. I don't remember that, man.

But that's cool. Yeah. Like I said, I am 100% in. and we have a release date, which everybody, this is a Netflix movie, so it will be June 28th. And that is the last of our 100 trailers we just reviewed. All right, cool. So I think, so we had a whole lot of news, we had a whole lot of trailers. And with our, I guess, continued success, adding people to, adding people to our Facebook group and adding the, we had,

Darren gave us the idea to create a group for discussions on Facebook. I'm going to guess, Philip. So I'm guessing there's a lot of feedback, man. We're actually up to 684 lights on our regular Facebook page. Well on our way to the goal of a thousand by the end of the year. So, look at the page, send it to your friends, let them know how awesome it is. And we'll keep trying to put awesome stuff out. Thanks, Brian.

Stephen Loblad Regarding Eyes of My Mother He said That was the weirdest hour and 15 minutes of my life I'm still trying to figure out What the fuck I just watched Hey man What more can you say

Yeah Now it just makes me want to watch it more I haven't gotten the opportunity Because I've been watching so many alien movies lately But I'll definitely have to check that out Mark Chevalier once again. I said this is sad news.

Always loved it when the, when Powers Booth showed up in a movie or TV show. What is sad news? I don't know what he was talking about. I think he's just talking about Power's Booth passing away. Oh, right. Okay. Sorry about that.

So yeah, he's sad about that. Denny Louie, almost a one-year anniversary time, bro. I think for him after midnight. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty close for him, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So that was a year for Brian and me, and the show's right on track. Patrick's shared some new mutants casting news. Sean Pipes. Anya is going to be playing Ileana Rasputin, right? If so, I think she will be great in the part. And then

Brian responded to it. She is, and Maisie is playing Wolfsbane. Yeah, Aria from Game of Thrones. Yeah, okay. And now those are actually some new mutants characters

from the actual comic book. Yeah, actually little quick news on that that I probably should have brought up earlier. This will have nothing to do with the other X-Men movies because it's not even the same timeline. What? Okay. Yeah. I'm cool with that. I think it's going to be in the same timeline as Deadpool.

Oh, wow. Maybe he'll show up, Philip. Maybe. Well, I think it's cool that they're just doing something different instead of kicking around the same timeline thing, you know? I mean, right. Yeah, you know. Keep Brian Singer away from this.

Yeah, please. Sound like he's going to be too busy on the gifted. And then regarding the comic paloosa episode, J. Roberto Antonio Ricardo Black. I got to do that. Says, Lance, you were like a kid in the candy store. Sounded like you had way too much fun. I don't know, Lance.

Do you have too much fun? Oh, dude, you can never have too much fun, man. There's no such thing. That's like having too much money. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, that place was a blast. I mean, there's definitely a few notes we'll take away for next year, but yeah, we had a great time. What was your favorite part, Philip? I think I just, I really enjoyed taking pictures of all the costumes and stuff. We have a gallery up on our Facebook page if you guys haven't checked it out. But, I mean, there was just so many different people there, and they were all just super happy to take a picture.

with you. It was cool. Right. Yeah, that was a lot of fun, man. And you, I would definitely say that you got a, you got a serious book of pictures up for us, man. Way to go, man. What kind of camera was that that you brought? It looked like you were like a professional photographer. Yeah, what?

Interviewing people or something. I used to do some photography back in the day. My mom has been a photography teacher since I was, you know, a little bitty. Oh, nice. No shit. Yeah, so I've shot for some papers when I was a teenager. I just, it's been a long time since I broke out the camera. Well, good job, mate.

It's cool, Mike on digital, man. It's, I can't remember what the name of it is, but it's, it's old. But it does the job. Yep, look, looking good, man. We appreciate you doing that. And then Art Callie says, wow, cool opening from Fred Johnson from the expanse. Yeah, that was pretty awesome. That was definitely a cool part, too.

Ariane Wayman says Richard Brake should have been the Joker. Oh, you guys. Wow. You know, I'm not mad at that. You know what? He played Joe Chill in the Batman movie, right? And the Batman Begins? Yeah, wasn't Joe Chill like a...

I don't know if he was a henchman for the Joker, but wasn't there some connection there or something like that? I think he was, oh my gosh, what is the mobster? Falcone. Ah, okay, yes, yes, yes. You're going further back, like basically before the Joker then in that time. Yeah, so we're in a different time and universe with these DC movies and with as old as the Batman is in the movie. I think he would fit in.

Yeah, that would be great, man. What do you think, Philip? You think he could pull it off? I think Richard Brake could definitely pull it off. With the job that he did with Doomhead, I mean, that was the best part of that 31 movie. And I think he could totally pull off the Joker. I mean, I don't know if he has the name to back it up. Right.

Could he do the job? Absolutely. And then John Mooney actually talks about Richard Brake. He said he was in the Rob Zombie's Halloween 2. and he had his head cut off by Michael Myers after crashing the Vind in the Cow. Guys a little bit of everywhere. Joker got his head cut off. Oh, man. Philip Adams says Dee was so good in the howling.

She was, man. She was great, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Now, I was going to say, you can tell from her interview, man, she really remembers that role quite a bit. But she spent quite a bit of time talking about the howling. And you could tell that it was something that really kind of shaped her, I guess, the rest of her career from when she went through filming that. So I think that's a part that's probably pretty near and dear to her heart from what we had.

Great Scream Queen. She was on that episode. Well, she wasn't on the episode, but we talked about her on the episode. Check that one out. She pretty much made everybody's list, I think. Oh, yeah, I think I'm pretty sure she did. She was number one. Not to spoil it.

Cynthia Talbot, a friend of the show. She's also regarding D. She's done so many films over the years and hasn't aged a bit. And yeah, really, that's true. She still looks pretty young. Thanks to everyone who reaches out to us. We love the feedback. And as always, you can reach us at our Facebook or Pied Bean page,

or you can email us at The Horror Returns. at gmail.com. We love to hear from you. Let us know what you think, and we'll put you on the show or send you a t-shirt or something. Yep, and everybody please join the Facebook group. It's the horror returns group on Facebook

because we would definitely like to hear from you guys. Yeah, absolutely. Any kind of communication, man. Whatever it takes to get you guys talking, please don't make us put Kardashians on our webpage because that's going to put it off. I know there was a lot of talk about the Wonder Woman movie, Brian. Didn't you say something like 91 different entries or something like that on asking about?

Yeah, there is a lot of suggestions. I kind of put it out there. What movie horror or, you know, if horror wasn't available, what movie would you pair with Wonder Woman? And we got a big response, a lot of suggestions. So we will look through those suggestions and talk about it, but I really do appreciate everybody's participation. That's what the Facebook group's for. Yeah, and at the end of the day, I kind of felt sorry for our friend Denny Lewis, because he's actually going to be on that show with us. And he was, we had like all these 91 suggestions, and then Denny finally chimes in with one little email.

He said, guys, I thought we were doing Captain America the first. It was kind of heartbreaking to him that we worked. So we may have to make that the movie we pair with it. We'll see. I'll tell you. I'll tell you what. I think we will pair it up with the First Adventure, but I will pick a couple of those movies,

and maybe they'll fall into my cool little week, or maybe they'll fall in my not-so-cooled little week. Perfect. Perfect, yes. I'll say I'll probably, I'll probably pick two or three, and I'll give a little mini reviews. Hi, this is Deborah Forhees with Tina from Friday the 13th, Part 5. And welcome to the horror returns.

Duck? Okay, I'm sorry, did I miss that? All right, well, you guys ready to move on to featured attractions? That's the one. Let's do it. Well, this week we go tripping into outer space with Alien Covenant, as well as the original 1979 film Alien. We'll start out with trivia for the 79 movie.

It was directed by Ridley Scott. I know all of our listeners know who he is, but just in case you didn't, he's also known for Prometheus and Blade Runner. A writer was Dan O'Bannon, and I guarantee you that our listeners know who Dan O'Bannon is, too, but also known for Total Recall and a segment of the animated movie Heavy Metal. This is interesting.

The blue laser lights that were used, in the alien ship's egg chamber were borrowed from the rock band the who. The band was testing out the lasers for their stage show in the sound stage next door. Have you got, had y'all heard that one before? Yeah. No, that's awesome.

I think I just heard it on, um, who just did a retrospective on aliens? Oh, that probably would have been our friends over at binge media. Yeah, there you go. Jack and the boys, right? Yeah. I, I, I, I,

just heard it on there. That is kind of amazing. That is super amazing. During early development, Dan O. Bannon and Ronald Schusset ran into a riding impasse while trying to work out how the alien would get aboard the ship. And Chusset came up with the idea. All right, guys, listen to this. How about this, guys?

The alien fucks one of them. Which was eventually developed into the facehugger concept. Which, yeah, kind of does it. This method of reproduction via implantation was deliberately intent. Yeah, right. Of course it was. Everybody knows that it was deliberately intended to invoke images of rape, right? So, oh, here's where we get into what you love so much, Philip, the political correctness aspect, man.

So both riders were adamant that the face hugger victim. be a man. Firstly, because they wanted to avoid the horror cliche of women being depicted as an easy first target. Secondly, because they felt that making a female, the casualty of a symbolic rape scene felt inappropriately. And thirdly, and I think this worked, to make the male victims feel more uncomfortable with the reversal of genre conventions.

I actually agree with all that. That was very smart. on every one of those fronts. Wise choice, right? Yeah, definitely. And then finally, a little piece of trivia, Ridley Scott actually physically did all the handheld camera work by himself. So I'm going to step away for a minute. You guys want to get started.

I've got to take a quick little break and check on the kids here, and I'll be right back. Who wants to go first? You want to go, Philip? Sure, yeah. I just let you guys know you've been cutting out a few times. So if you lose me or if I'm totally lost in the conversation, that's why I may have to stop you. Okay. But, yeah, I mean, this one is definitely a classic.

It's not my favorite in the Alien series, which is going to make some people mad. But it's definitely more of a horror film. It's super slow. It's super creepy. Ridley Scrae, I think, did a great job in this one. It's one of my favorites from him. But he has kind of a slow burn style, which is very sleepy to me. There's not a lot of dialogue, and there's like a lot of ambient noise.

It's like being in the car and being lulled to sleep. So every time I try to do. to watch this as a kid, I fell asleep. And, you know, it's always been, you know, Alien is such a bigger than life thing, you know. So it's always been an iconic movie, but I've never been able to make it through it until this last time. I watched it. It was great, but it was still kind of sleepy, man. I think I'm just not, I really hate to have these words coming to my mouth, but I don't think that I'm a big riddle. Lee Scott guy.

Like he's got some movies that are really awesome, but I wish this was better. And it's not that it's not, it's not good. And it's definitely not bad by any means. But just with the icon that is the alien, I wish it was better. Yeah. I wish that we were redoing aliens. You know what I want to say right here. You know what?

I'm right there with you. this is more of a horror, you know, this one's a horror movie in space, and aliens is an action movie in space. Right. I do appreciate the, as you put it, the kind of slow burn, the, the, the, the, the, the paranoia. You don't know where the alien is, because it's almost like a slasher movie. Right. Because the aliens just creeping around. And I, too, was not really into this movie when I was younger.

As a matter of fact, I seen aliens before I seen this one. Yeah, and I was a little bit disappointed as a kid, but as I grown over, I've grown to appreciate it more, but it does kind of, at times, is a little tedious. And you just kind of want, yeah, at times I just wanted something to happen. Right. Because I don't know, it was kind of a mixed bag for me, because you get one hand, I'm kind of into it because, you know, especially the scene with Tom Scarrett. Right. And he's crawling through the air ducts. Yeah, when he's in a crawl space?

Yeah, that was very tense, claustrophobic. You don't know when the alien, the xenomorph is going to jump out. Right. And there's other times it's just kind of like, okay, let's, do something happen. Come on, you know. You definitely wouldn't have appreciated the director's cut then because it's three hours and 12 minutes. I did watch the director's cut. So there's no way I'd make through it.

I'd fall asleep. No question. And I don't know if it's because. I watched aliens first and you just got that James Cameron action. True. And Ripley just kicking ass. And then, you know, the power of Bill Paxton and all those catchphrases and lines. I just, I don't know.

It was kind of going from one to the other. But like I said, as I got older, I appreciate it for what it was. And it's so iconic, you know, especially the scene with the chest burst. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely classic. What really got me was the fact that Lance helped me with the actress's name. Oh, you're talking about, actually, I was thinking that she probably should have been on our scream queen list, Veronica Cartwright.

Yeah, I totally. Finding out that they didn't even inform the cast of what was going to happen, and that's her genuine reaction to what's going on. Kind of like a Kubrick effect. Yeah. I'm going to directing a little bit there. That is probably one of the most iconic scenes out of this whole franchise right there. Right. In movie history, period.

Yes. Yeah. One thing about Alien and Aliens, guys, is that they are two totally and completely different movies. And that's what I fucking love about it. And that's what I think works. Because in Alien, like you guys were saying, it's the slow burn. You know, that's a good way to put it. It's kind of like a slasher movie.

I kind of saw some similarities to the thing, actually, here, with the paranoia and whatnot. Absolutely. In the claustophobia and being in a small space and, you know, not knowing what was coming around the corner and stuff like that. And then aliens, of course, you just had all-out action from start to finish. But, you know, I mean, I think that's what makes these, like this is probably the greatest. All right, well, back to the future and back to future, too, we're a really good one-two punch. and I'm trying to think of another movie and its direct sequel that were this effective.

I mean, I really think Alien and aliens together were just perfect. And like you guys were saying, Alien 3 or Alien, you know, cubed or whatever you want to call it, a lot of people get pissed off about it and say, you know, it just wasn't that great of a movie, but I really liked it as well. I mean, I think that, I think they did the right thing by making two completely different movies in the same universe, you know? Yeah. I still think, though, like, nobody wants to admit it, but aliens is better. I'm sorry. It is. It's not the original. It's not the original, but it's better. I actually write aliens about a point higher, but I love aliens. Don't get me wrong. I know everybody says aliens is like full of action and stuff, but, dude, the alien doesn't show. It's like Jaws. It doesn't show up until like halfway through the movie.

Yeah, yeah. But I think that once shit hits the fan. Man, it's tense the whole way through. And that's the thing that the alien lost for me. It was just, there was too many, too many down times to me. I disagree. I disagree totally on that, but I totally agree with you on aliens. I mean, it's fucking awesome. And, you know, you're right.

It is a slow burn that does end up with a whole lot of action in it. But I will say this. Like I said, I rate alien a little bit higher. that's just because it spoke to me a little bit more. But, I mean, don't get me wrong. Aliens is definitely a top 10 film for me for sure. It's just that Alien is probably a top five film for me. And I can see that side of the coin.

Also, wanted to throw in there how much of the video game Halo had to have been inspired by aliens. It's basically the whole first video game. Aliens had a pretty bad-ass shooter game in the arcade back in the day. Oh, yes. Oh, God. I do remember that, man. I do remember that. Yeah, I would say, you know, like I said, guys, this is one of my top five horror movies for sure.

You know, it's not quite up there with the Exorcist and Clockwork Orange, but it's, you know, it's up there, it's up there near the top. And what I like so much about this one was, you know, like, you know, like, you. guys said they took a little while to get going on it. They didn't just hit you over the head with it. But when they did get to the horror scenes, I thought the special effects for 1979

were fucking phenomenal. I mean, they were right up there with the thing in my opinion, you know, and they didn't use it. Obviously, this is way before any CGI or anything like that. I just thought that the design of the alien creature, the only thing that bothered me a little bit about it

was how quickly, and this is where you kind of have to suspend disbelief. But it seemed like he shut off that skin that Jonesy found that skin, you know, and then Harry Dean Stanton's character came up and stumbled upon it. It had shed it, and then all of a sudden it was like full size. I thought that was a little too quick. Maybe they could have filmed it where they said, okay, well, we've been on the ship a couple of months, and now it's this big or something like that.

But how would it have hidden, you know, that long? but... And can I say, can I say, fuck Jonesy? Fuck that cat, really. Everybody's so worried about that damn cat.

I know, right? Even at the end, man, when she had Jonesy in his little crate, right? And trying to keep him safe there at the end, too, huh? Oh,

when she had the world's tiniest panties on? Yeah. I didn't have a big problem with that. I was like, you know what? Sigourney Weaver was kind of pulling it off, but man, she should have probably bought a size bigger. It's like whoever was in charge of wardrobe, they were like, this is all we have.

So make it work. Right. Exactly. But why even wear them at that point? I'm kind of with there with both of you guys. You know, I have love for both movies. Like, because like you said, Lance, these are alien and aliens. they're just two completely different movies.

But they go perfectly well together. Yes, they do. And since you ask the question, you know, I'm racking my brain. I can't think of two totally different movies that just go so good together. Yeah, like I said, back to the future, because when Back to the Future ended and he, Doc Brown got out and said, Marty, we got to go, your kids. It's all about your kids. They're causing all kinds of problems. We got to go back to the future.

And I'm like, oh, this is going to suck. But it didn't. They actually pulled it off the way they made the second one. And it was so different from the first one. And yet they went together perfectly. I can't think of two others that go together. You know what? This might be a future Facebook group question right here.

Because I cannot think of anything except now that you say back to the future, that just keeps popping up in my head. I cannot think of anything that went as well together. The Godfather. Um, hey, maybe the new Planet of the Apes films? Oh. Because the first of them was really slow turn, and it was the story all about, you know, Caesar being developed and all that. And then the second one was more like, you know, all out battle and stuff like that, you know?

That's true. Not quite, you know. I don't know if you can put them on that level yet, you know? Yeah. But, I mean, on a on a baby steps level, yeah, that one works, I think. Yeah, I'm racking my brain while you guys are talking. I'm trying to think what else. Yeah, I mean, what else?

A lot of people say that, oh, Psycho. And then Psycho 2 are really, go really well together, but they're both totally different themes. But I haven't seen Psycho 2, so I couldn't tell you. I could see that. And all my bullshit sequels I watched since we've been doing the show, that's another series that is actually pretty good. I remember you saying that. And I kind of want to watch it now. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. We ready for scores on Alien? Yeah. Yeah, for sure, man. You, I know you guys went first, so, you know. I think we're going to save the biggest number for last for a change with me here. Probably. I'm going to say just because of the iconic creature, and it's still a great movie,

I'm going to give it an eight. but that's that's high for me for this movie because I think it is a little sleepy right um I also agree with you this is a very iconic you know this is this is the one that started it all or at least you know release that started it all because you know we're in the prequels now but um I am also going to give an eight um it's very similar like you said Lance to the thing which is my favorite movie. And it has something in this movie that actually I'm not going to bring it up until we get to the next one. It has something in this movie that I really loved that I didn't get with the new one.

Right. And yeah, it's a very iconic film and I'm going to give it an eight also. Yeah, the thing, I mean, we're all talking about the slow burn and I really appreciate how they did that and built everything up, which was kind of reminiscent of Jaws a little bit. and like you said Philip, a little reminiscent of aliens where it takes them a while to get there. And so I really appreciated that part

but I think that the thing that sold me so much on this movie was that it was almost kind of like a, because there's so many haunted house movies that are done shitty where like you're going through this haunted house and you've got to look around corners and what's coming next and something

pops out here and something makes noise here and lights flash here and smoke comes after your steam or whatever. but I thought this movie at the end of it was just a masterpiece like the last 15 minutes of it when she got off the first ship and or coming up to where she got off the first ship and then the part where she kind of thought she'd escaped and everything was over with this was like the perfect haunted house movie

and that's weird to say because it's like in a spaceship and it has nothing to do with haunted houses or or ghost or anything like that but I thought it did it the way that a lot of these other movies should have done it right. But no, I mean, this is a top five for me. For me, it's a 9.5. Nice. And it totally makes sense the way that you described that. Aliens for me, however, is a 10. That's one of my favorite movies of all time. Aliens for me is an 8.5. I love it. Actually, I'd probably give aliens a nine, come to think of it. Probably nine. I'm probably nine and a half for me who are ranking aliens. Yeah, man. We're all kind of in the same, in the same area here,

you know? Yeah. Two great. Definitely great. Definitely one of the greats, yeah. Absolutely. Game over, man. All right. There you go. You guys ready to move on? Yeah.

All right. So the big one this week, of course, was Alien Covenant, also directed by Ridley Scott. As our listeners know so well, the main screenwriter was John Logan. You guys familiar with any of his work? No. gladiator and Star Trek Star Trek nemesis as well as a number of other

movies and there's a guy named Dante Harper that they got co-screenwriting credits but I don't know who the fuck this guy is because I do not see his name anywhere at all either an IMDB or elsewhere so not too sure about this Dante Harper guy

but I don't know I've got a feeling that Ridley Scott had a lot of input in the screenplay on this one, or I would imagine that he did. As everybody knows, it is a sequel to the 2012 film Prometheus. It is the second installment in the Alien Prequel series.

It is the sixth installment overall in the Alien film series, and it's actually the third one to be directed by Ridley Scott. If anybody's wondering what the word covenant means, a covenant is an agreement or a promise, specifically in biblical terms, one of the covenants between God and humanity was a promise by God to never again

wipe clean the earth as he had done with a great flood. Another covenant was the giving of the law to Moses. That was an agreement that the Israelites would follow God's commandments, and God would justly judge those who broke those commandments. So we're talking real, I guess like old school here. like the vengeful, wrathful God, as we used to know and love so much before that dude named Jesus showed up. There is a scene. I'm sure you guys noticed the scene where in the first alien movie, it started out with that slow pan with the little birds that were drinking the water, like moving back and forth there.

There's actually one in this one. Did you guys catch it? Yes. So I thought that was kind of interesting. but uh alien covenant where to we're to begin guys hmm i guess i'll start um what i okay um you you almost got to talk prometheus with this right

yeah i i do i wish they included the scene oh my gosh i'm about to spoil it um okay you guys you guys go because i'm like i i just listeners i just just got out of the theater like an hour or so ago, so I'm still trying to collect my thoughts on this movie. Hard to process. Yeah. Yeah, I understand.

Yeah, I'd like to get started if you don't mind, Philip, because, uh... Yeah, of course. I'd like to hear... I'm still having a hard time processing, actually. Okay, and I'm thinking from what I'm hearing from a lot of my friends and from Facebook postings that I probably like this movie a lot better than many others did. and for me that's pretty unusual because I'm usually a pretty harsh critic

but I was able to retcon everything in my mind to make everything that happened in this movie fit perfectly with the alien universe I had when it was all said and done and I thought back on it I had no problems at all and I'm even going to go back and I probably have to wait for spoilers for this but I'm going to go back and I have a theory

about Ash in the first movie Now, it's probably a George Lucas type thing where, you know, if you were to ask Ridley Scott now, he would probably say, oh yeah, I meant to do that. I meant that all along, but of course he didn't. There's no way he could have. But I kind of like the way everything fit together here. My favorite part of this movie was a lot of what you guys loved about. Aliens is that when you get into the last half hour of this movie, it was fucking action-packed. and I really, really appreciated and enjoyed that.

I really liked the edge of your seat action in this movie. You know what? I do agree with you because we got that Ridley Scott, that slow burn in the beginning. Right. And then we got more action than I think we even probably got Prometheus. You know what? This movie, to me, almost the first half felt like alien and the second half felt like aliens. Yeah, I can kind of see that.

I mean, there was just a lot of shit going on in the second half of this movie. How did you feel about the design of the, from what I'm hearing, it's called a neomorph, which is the white. Oh, I loved it, dude. Oh, yeah. That was creeped out. That was creepy. I mean, I love the way that the first, because we got to really dance around here because this movie is basically one, two hour long spoiler. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a good point. But I love... It really is the complete story. Okay, okay, so we'll hit on some things that were covered in the trailer. So anyone who's seen the trailer already knows that somebody steps on a spore and they end up breathing in, you know, the spore or whatever. So, okay, so instead of a face hugger, that was the entry method. I thought that was fucking brilliant. I love the way that they did the close-up to that and they showed it entering the individual.

and then I really like the way that, you know, again, the only problem I have is that things seem to happen a little too fast. Like instead of gestating for months or weeks or whatever inside this person, it comes out like within, what, 15 minutes or whatever. Which is no spoiler. I mean, all that's pretty much in the trailer. Yeah, because when you get into which would be alien, aliens and all those other movies. Right. It takes more time. but in this one it's almost instantaneous

yeah yeah I had a little bit of a problem with that quite frankly but I mean it was still I liked the way that they did it and I love the designs and Kevin was I mean Kevin and I kind of got into a little you know a little mini messenger battle because you know he really had some big fucking problems with it that I didn't see you know

or that I was able to get past and you know I I didn't think it was that CGI heavy? Did you guys? That was one of my problems. And the only reason I think it was one of my problems is because I read an article how they had hired

these actors that are basically like seven feet tall and they're lanky. And so I'm thinking we're getting more practical than what we got in the movie. Right. Yeah. Alien 3 was CGI heavy. Oh my gosh.

Yes, it was. like a fucking cartoon alien running on the ceiling. The rest of the movie was great, but that, yeah, the CGI was awful. I didn't have that, I didn't have that big of a problem. I mean, it didn't look that CGI-ish or whatever you want to. No, I didn't. I didn't take me out. It didn't take me out because I thought the face-huggers were amazing.

You know, like I said, what did I call them, the neomorphs? Right. Oh, yeah. Because they looked really creepy. and gross looking and almost I wish they'd spent some more time on them yeah almost had

you know they had no eyes or what it looked like they had no eyes and it was just weird and they kind of I'm probably getting way into spoilers here but but I just thought the designs of the aliens I thought were super cool

you're talking around it man yeah they look like something out of a silent hill game man oh yes yes And I thought the acting was really good from everybody. I was the one I was really worried about.

Not worried. I was hoping was Danny McBride. And I thought he did a very good job in this movie. I didn't want to see comic relief, Danny McBride. I'm just going to be the fucking goofy, the goofy guy. I believe his name was Tennessee. Yeah, but I wish he had some comic relief in there to me, man.

I wish that he had some lines that were funny and there were not. I kind of do, but the main reason is because the whole announcement of him involved with the new Halloween movie and writing it. And I want people to look past the comedy. And this is something before he got into acting. He didn't want to act. He wanted to be a screenwriter. And he was, he's, he's into horror and fantasy. And I just kind of wanted him to like basically come out of his, you know,

you know, wheelhouse in this movie and show everybody he can be more serious if he wanted to be, you know. And I thought, you know, for the most part, he did a good job. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was okay. He kind of pulled it on. What did you, what did you guys think about Fast Bender? I thought he was great. Yeah, well, he was great in Prometheus.

And, I mean, he picks up right where he left off in this one. I thought he was amazing. He's definitely the best part of this movie. You think he's the best part of the movie? I liked all the creatures. really, well, I guess you can't kind of separate the two from each other. Yeah, that's hard to, that's hard to say. But, I mean, you know, I mean, I love, I actually really loved Prometheus.

I did too. A lot of people didn't. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Yeah, I liked it, too. I figured that was right up your alley-lans. I really liked Prometheus. And I think that Michael Fassbender was the best part of that movie, too. Right.

I'm really itching to get into spoilers. Go ahead. What still irritates me, and I don't know how into spoiler territory this brings us, Guy Pearce. What the fuck? Oh, no, that's the first two seconds of the movie, dude. That's not spoiler at all, man. Well, the only, I mean, why is he? Why is he?

I don't understand. I don't understand why he's in this role. I don't know. I don't know that he put him at that person. God, he created, it's like, there's a lot of Star Trek in here, like with data and lore. Well, oh shit. Reason I can tend to cast. How old is Guy Pearce?

What, maybe 50? Yeah, but they make him look like super old or whatever. Make him look like he's like 90 in the entire movie of Prometheus. And except this one little bitty scene in the beginning of this one. And what I think it is with the announcement of the next movie being before this one, I think we'll get more Guy Pearce and New Meber Pace, or maybe more flashbacks of Guy Pearce. Right.

Which comes to find out he was uncredited in the first one. Guy Pearce? Yeah, I believe. He had more of a role in the first one than in Prometheus than he did in this one. No, I mean, from what I heard, he was uncredited. Right. Prometheus. Huh.

Yeah, and he, like I said, he actually had more of a role in that one. He was in, he was in that one more than he was in this one. Oh, okay, yeah, I see what you're saying. You know what I mean? Yeah. Although he was, like, a hologram or something like that.

I haven't seen Prometheus in a few years. I guess that's got to be it, man. Well, I, see, and I just watched it, and it was, I still really loved it as a, as a separate film aside from aliens, as long as you're not trying to fit it into the timeline. Yeah, but you've got to have to, though, don't you?

Yeah, I guess so, but as long as you know that it happens way before the timeline, I think it still works. I mean, I like that I watched it before this because there were some things I picked up about Fastbender's character. Right. That kind of went into this movie. Okay, that makes sense. And I like what they did with Fastbender in this one. And, you know, it's funny that you said that the first half of the movie was kind of like Alien, and then the second half was like aliens

because I actually even though I like the movie aliens better I liked the first half of this movie a lot better than the second half. Yeah I did. I like that they were pushing the story aspect of it and you were finding out a lot of really

cool things. I just I feel like it was a good movie it was very good. It just was missing something for me, and I couldn't tell you what that is specifically. Right. But something.

Something wasn't quite there. It didn't grab me like I wanted it to. What do you get? Let me ask you this. This is kind of a little bit off topic here, I guess, but I'm trying to kind of think big picture. To wrap your mind around what kind of filmmaker is Ridley Scott and what is he thinking, do you guys think that he has faith, that he is a man of faith? Do you all think he believes in God and the Jesus mythos and all that,

or do you think he's more of an atheist? Well, that's a lot of the question in these movies. Exactly, man. I mean, that's the whole thing. It's like, basically, if you watch this series in one way, you could be thinking that it almost kind of proves the existence of God. But if you watch it in a different, you know, more remote, more of a

Neil deGrasse-Tyce-E-type, you know, detached way, it's almost proving God, almost proving God doesn't exist because everything just came from some other, you know,

creator that, what is this creator? Well, it was created by something else. I mean, I, I, to me, it's just kind of fascinating what, and he's made other movies

that deal with religion as well. And it's just kind of like, to me, when I watch the body of work that Ridley Scott has produced, I almost think that he's a, he, is a man who is in constant conflict with am I a man of science or am I a man of faith?

And what's the difference between the two ultimately? And I mean, this raises so many questions. And I really like the way that he puts all that together because it almost to me seems like he presents it that it could just as easily be either way depending on your interpretation. Yeah, because there is a character in this movie who is all about his faith. And they bring it up a couple times. They do, man. They go out of the way to bring it up a few times, right?

Well, they brought it up a few times in the entire series. It's been there from the one. Matter of fact, Alien 3, they were in the prison, and they kept talking about believers, you know? And I have a feeling that their believers were believing in these engineers. Oh. I think they all kind of connect at some point. Philip.

I like it, man. I like it. No, I mean, that's, I really appreciate that. He gets you thinking. I mean, he definitely gets you thinking. That's what I like about it, you know? And, you know, now that we talk about the guy Pierce thing, and it finally clicked when I was spitting the words out of my mouth,

he's obviously got a plan for these next couple of sequels. So, uh, right. We'll see how he goes. You know, I, I may like the movie. I think I have to watch it again. You know, it was a lot to take in. I'm going to watch it multiple times. But I think I enjoyed this movie more than most people did.

Just from what I'm reading and just from who I'm talking to and stuff like that, um, I just thought it was a nice, seamless little, little piece. And Kevin said, well, there's all these plot holes and this couldn't have happened. And other people have said that too. But I'm kind of like, I'm thinking, you know, know what, though? In my mind, it could happen. Because I've got a couple of ideas how maybe this was all a set up from the very beginning. Yeah. When you look at the first alien movie. Maybe there's seems like this plot holes just because the way he has these movies mapped out. Because, you know, first you get a prequel, then you get a sequel to the prequel. And like I said, the next one's supposed to be a prequel to the sequel to the sequel.

maybe that's why it kind of seems like there's plot holes, but maybe in the long run when this is all out and everything, it'll all make sense. As long as he's got a plan and he doesn't go, they were all dead, you know? Yeah, well, he says he has like four more ready to go. Right. Well, I mean, no, that's the only reason I can think of

for casting a young guy Pierce. And I don't know if this is a tent into the next movie, but I believe the next one's called Alien Awakening. Okay. Huh. Which was supposed to be the Blom Kamp movie, right? I don't know, man. That's never going to happen, yeah.

Is that not just a straight kick in the nuts? You ain't doing my movie, bitch. Yeah, he totally. Yeah, he put it into that. So, Neil Blom Kemp, I do enjoy your movie. but maybe it's time to figure out your next script or something because it's not happening. Right. Give up by the end.

All right. You guys ready for scores so we can spoil? Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. Did I go first or who ended up going first on this one? I attempted to, but then I passed it to you. Yeah, I mean, I give it an 8.5, man.

This could be probably not top five of the years. but it'll be an honorable mention for sure. I mean, I really enjoyed it. I could definitely look past any of the, you know, any of the retcon issues that, you know, some people have a problem with or whatever. I, man, I really liked the action at the end. I really was getting into it when they were, well,

spoilers ahead, I guess, right? Fair enough. Brian, you went next, though? I think so. There's not much that I had a problem with this movie, which probably sounds weird since it was hard for me to give a review. Because it's very, like Lance said, this movie is one big spoiler. Like anything you say that wasn't in the trailer is just going to give something away. I really enjoyed it.

I wish there was less CGI in the movie. So that kind of takes it away a little bit. I'm going to go within soft eight. Okay. That's still a damn good score, man. Yeah, I'll give you that. And, you know, it's not a bad movie. It's definitely Ridley Scott. It's got him written all over it. It's a slow burn. Parts of it get a little sleepy again to me.

But good story, you're finding out a lot about the whole world. I think the only problem I had with it, and I can't decide whether to say it, Okay, well, since they've already said that he's going to have four or five whatever sequels to the whole Prometheus thing, right? We can already agree that this doesn't run right into the original alien. That's what I wanted. That's what I wish they would have. I mean, eventually something will, but does it really even have to at this point, you know? I mean, they've kind of told that story now.

Well, and I, okay. And the rest of the reason for that, I'm not going to talk about until spoilers. I think I'm going to give it a seven and a half. Not bad. I think it's good. That's pretty good, man. I think it's, it's right now for me, my ranking system goes aliens, alien, Prometheus. Probably this one.

And then Alien 3. Oh, you like this more than Alien 3? Oh, you forgot about Alien Resurrection. Oh, and you forgot about AVP? Oh, well, that one goes at the end, obviously. Everybody keeps fucking forgetting about AVP, come on. I didn't forget about it. See, and I didn't forget about those either, but they go at the end.

I'm not worried about those. They all go at the end. You can't prepare those movies to what we're talking about right now. You know? Um, so yeah, I think it's, I think it's up there. I don't, I don't think it's better than Prometheus. Um, maybe I wish that it was, like we got two of the movies at the same time, so I could watch them together or something. But, yeah. Yeah, seven and a seven and a half is what I give it. That's, that's good. That's a full recommendation from all of us to go check it out. Oh, yeah, for sure. You definitely have to watch it. Real quick, did you guys see this in IMAX? I didn't I don't know if I like IMAX

I don't know if I'm just getting older but it was too loud for me they like they used to say on the old kiss tour t-shirt on the back it said if it's too loud you're too old I might be getting old I don't know maybe it was just my theater but it was extremely like

and there was just a lot of when nothing was happening there was just a lot noise is going on. I'm like, what the hell is going on? No, they didn't even offer this one in 3D when I was on the opening night, so... All right, I think we're ready for spoiler.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. All right, well, listen, here's the thing, guys. One of the biggest things that bothered me with the first alien movie,

I already told you guys that the main thing that bothered me was that it's like the alien creature grew too quickly. They didn't explain why it grew from like basically an embryo size or that thing that jumped out. It was singing, hello my baby, hello my darling, hello my husband. You know, with the top hat and shit. And then all of a sudden it was the big fucking alien like within what an hour. or something like that. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's a great movie.

We got to review that someday, guys. Are we in spoilers now? Oh, yeah, we're big time. Okay. Yeah, you know, that was kind of one of my problems with this one because... Yes, for sure. He, the one we finally got the Xenomor from when he came out of Dr. Manhattan in the movie. Right, right.

He instantly, like, five minutes later, was full size. Yeah, no time flat, right? I don't understand how that works. That's the biggest problem. But the second biggest problem I had guys with the first movie is, and I know they did it on purpose because they had to trick the rest of the crew into thinking that Ash was an actual human. But I noticed that when I was rewatching the first alien movie,

Cain gets up first, or John Hertz's character gets out first, and he starts like walking around and stuff like that. and then you kind of, the camera pans over to the right a little bit, and you see Ian Holmes, you see Ash's character like breathing. It's like, okay, he's coming out of Stasis also. I know they did that to fool us, but now after the events of this movie, I believe that Ash was not fucking in Stasis that whole time.

He fucking tricked them. He was walking around this ship. I think the whole, the whole finding of alien species was a setup. I think that the whaling was a setup. the Whalen Company knew that it was there and they weren't going out there to mine and bring stuff back to Earth to use his energy. They were literally going out there from day one and Ash was the mastermind, the puppet master, who was watching and making sure that they made it out there to pick up the species. And I think they're going to tie together again. You can almost say that about

the beginning of aliens, how she's explaining to the, as they put it, the company. right yeah and they're disregarding everything that happened because there's a colony there but maybe they knew about the aliens there and they had to it was just more sense now this movie to me makes it make more sense now of why it's it the way he did as they put it in this movie it was just more meat for the alien and maybe that's a great that was a great line yeah um wow david er david's an asshole Oh, man. Michael Fastbender played that character. Great. Because that guy, and what I was saying about Prometheus is you can start to see his disdain for humans. Because you got Nomi repaid. I forgot the actor's name, but it was a, uh, uh, Nomi Rapace's his husband. Right. Yeah, he's how he was just constantly like, come here, boy. Get over here, boy. You know, just. Yeah, treating him like, uh, yeah, basically. And, and as, as they said in, in, in, this movie, David wasn't made to serve, you know, really. He developed emotions and ideas and

it was, and I liked the difference of him and, what was the other one? Walter? Yeah. The complete difference, played by the same actor, but just different, complete different characters. Yeah. I liked that too because I actually really, uh, it was kind of rooting for, for Walter. And a portion rooting for David.

I mean, this is one of those movies where you kind of root for the bad guy. Which I kind of agree what the character of David was saying because when he asked Walter, why did you save her? And he said, because he said, you saved her out of love. And he said, no duty. Because he's not made to basically have emotions and stuff like that and feel. I kind of think he was. He just never let on. I think he was developing human.

traits the Walter character as the movie was going on. And do you think he's necessarily dead? I don't know. Because they revealed... Yeah, they revealed the newer models have some upgrades and he basically healed himself when he got stabbed in the neck.

Yeah. So... Well, who's to say David didn't take over his his body, you know? I mean, David may have some new upgrades now, man, I don't know. There's a whole lot of things. But yeah, and back to the point, though, when you were saying that

they grew up really and fast, I kind had an issue with that. I wish they had explained a little more in Prometheus, but I definitely wish they explained more in this one. Where, like, how did the eggs get there? You know what I mean? Like,

you've got all these different strains of the alien virus and and none of them really are definitive. Yeah. Does that make sense? Like you don't know how they work. When it comes to the eggs, all we know is it comes from the queen alien,

which I didn't see a queen alien in this movie. You do kind of have to retcon, don't you? I mean, I'm sure there's a way you could explain it all and it would make sense. know, but you'd have to be a little bit better, I guess, thinker-through-through-a-writer than I am, I think, to put all the pieces together. But maybe they'll eventually bring them all together by the time it's all said and done, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, Scott has a plan for it. I think he probably does. But I'm very interested to see more into this alien world. I love it. Yeah. Like I was saying in the previous before we got in the sports. was I do like the design of the neomorph. And I, as, I like how the spores went in.

Oh, I loved all that, man. But I really liked how they just, they wasn't just chest bursters. They came out of wherever they felt like they wanted to come out. Right. Oh, right. And I, I took my son to see this one. And he was just, like, horrified, especially with the, the one that bursted out of the, the guys back. Yes.

Oh, yeah. And it just basically just. poured out of his back and I was like ugh but I really really liked that and I wanted to bring up something maybe you guys can help me

what was the point of James Franco being in this movie just to be in the movie to give fantasy movie points to my team for the binge fantasy league do you think he has a bigger role in another movie

yeah he will for sure there's no doubt man. Especially now that you say that the other one like came before this. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Because it's probably going to follow both groups,

both the new me, Numi Rapace and her favorite android as well as our good friends here and their favorite Android, you know? Yeah. And that's so fucked up what he did to her, David. Oh, yeah.

Because they need you to believe that she died in the plane. or in a spaceship crash. And, you know, she has a gravestone and everything, but that's not exactly what happened. He was basically using her as meat, huh? Yeah. I'm kind of not bad that they're doing a prequel to this one,

you know, after Prometheus and before that. But I kind of wish they had done it before they came out with this movie. With this one. Oh, shit. Yeah, it would have been better, I think. Yeah, because now that I'm thinking about it, there might have been more to Numi Rapace's character. Maybe she didn't die.

maybe she also witnessed what he did to the engineers how he let loose that virus or whatever it was that killed all of them that was pretty fucked up man maybe that's where they fell

maybe that's where they fell out had a falling out was what he did I wanted I wanted to see more of the engineers in this one also I was really excited about that and they're all going out

they got taken out they got taken out like bitches in this one, didn't they? But obviously, in the beginning of Alien, it's an engineer sitting in that chair that the chestburster has come out of. So I'm trying to figure out and wrap my brain around how the engineer ran into the facehugger

if David engineered the facehuckers after the engineers were dead. Couldn't have happened. There has to be another explanation. Yeah, so I'm sure that maybe in the pre-quenchrist, and maybe the reason that it didn't come out before this one, maybe there's only one more into this Prometheus story. Maybe they go to the prequel to this one,

and in the end of that, David throws a facehugger onto a ship with an escaping engineer. Well, maybe they'll get into time travel in the next one, huh? Oh, Jesus Christ, I hope not. Anytime you write yourself into a corner, time travel. I know. See, that's my problem.

I felt like he... Right. I mean, he's not a big saying, right? Yeah, but I feel like he's kind of written himself into this corner now and it doesn't make any sense.

So I'm waiting for it to sense. That's what I think I'm irritated with at the moment. Well, you're not the only person, believe me. Basically, messenger and Facebook and Twitter and you're not the only one.

Don't worry about that. It's just not that it wasn't a bad movie. It was just, it's hard to fit this into the timeline and make it make sense. It's just, FYI, we're having a huge thunderstorm out here. I don't know if it's affecting our internet coverage at all or anything like that, but it's like a megastorm going on. So that could have something to do with it. Rett Row.

Uh-oh. Everybody there? We should probably wrap this one up. I'm here. Yeah, I'm here. All right. Yeah, let's wrap this up. think we got everything out in spoilers.

Yeah. Any final thoughts? Like I said, guys, I loved it, man. I mean, Alien is my favorite. Aliens is my second favorite. Prometheus and this one are kind of tied. I don't know, man. I kind of liked Alien Cubed or Alien 3 or whatever. Damn, it's going to be hard for me to decide, guys. Yeah, all I'm going to... Go ahead. What are yours in order, Brian? Okay. I'm going to say Alien.

aliens, and Prometheus, Alien Covenant, and then everything else. Okay, so you and Phillip are pretty much in lockstep then. Yeah.

All I'm going to say is everybody go into this movie knowing that they're planning multiple sequels. Right. Which some of them might be prequels to see them. It does run into alien. Yeah.

What I feel and what I'm hoping on is in the end of, And when he gets out all these playing movies that it will all make sense. If anybody has any kind of problems with certain things. Okay. And on that note, everybody's internet's going out. Oh, okay. It's like they're putting weird pieces of the puzzle together,

and I wish that they would make them fit. Right. I think they will. We shall see. Yeah. As our good friend Jack Falby, the fourth would say, as long as Damon Lindeloff ain't directing it, we're probably going to be okay.

All right. I guess that's it. So thanks again, guys, for joining us for another episode of The Horror Returns. We definitely appreciate all the new likes on Facebook. We appreciate all your feedback. I mean, the show's here for you listeners, so we depend upon your ideas and your interaction to keep the engine running.

It's pretty much as simple as that. Next week, I have no idea. No idea. Oh, Marcy, right, Brian? Marcy. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. A special one-off episode next week.

It's going to be the Year in Horror, 1968. And I've already seen one of the three movies that we're going to be talking about. We're going to discuss George Romero's original Night of the Living Dead. We're going to discuss Rosemary's Baby and the little gem. The most flamboyant Vincent Price I think I've ever seen in my life. In the role of Witch Finder General, have you guys had the pleasure to see this one yet? You know what? I just borrowed a copy from somebody, so I will probably be checking that out tonight.

You're in for a treat. You are in for a Vincent Price treat, man. I am definitely ready for that. So until the horror returns again, Brian. Good night.