The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #513: Turkey Shoot (1982) & Ready or Not 2: Here I Come (2026)

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

This week we are joined by Diamond and Robert from the new Killer Surfboard movie Plankenstein. Cool of the week includes 555, Sisou 2, Shameless, Is This Thing On?, and Daredevil: Born Again. The podcast spotlight shines on Horror Sandbox. And we get feedback from Pat Caruso and Adam Bunch. Thanks for listening!  

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I'm Lance. As always, my co-host, Brian and Philip. We got a special one tonight, folks. You may have heard about it. Plankinstein, the hot, new, high-budget, thriller, killer movie about, yes, that's right, a killer surfboard. You heard it here. A killer surfboard. So we've got Diamond and we got Robert with us who put this thing together. What's up, guys? Hey, how are y'all doing? How's it going? Appreciate you having us, man. We're stoked to be on. This is

exciting. Yeah, that is awesome. We're thrilled. We're thrilled. I've got a surfboard that looks just like that one. Pretty close to it. Get rid of it and don't eat pork. Yeah. Somebody gave it to me. There you go. Never turned down a free surfboard.

Ex-girlfriend or an enemy. Unless it's cursed. It might be. I don't know. I'm too fat to ride it at the moment. Come on now, Brad. Philip, you look great. All right. I think, Brian, we were wondering earlier before we recorded,

Degas, surf in Alaska? I wouldn't know. I stay inside where it's warm. Don't blame you, man. Yeah, there's a heat wave coming up, so hopefully you guys will get some of that, Brian. I don't know how far it's going. I think it's starting in the southwest, but maybe you'll get lucky, man. It's a long ways from here. No, but there definitely is actually some really awesome.

surfing in Alaska with like the Aurora Borealis going on in the background. How cool would that be? Brian, you need to get on that, brother. I can't swim, so stay up. That is a prerequisite for surfing, for sure.

All right, so we want to talk about the movie tonight, but the first thing we usually do around here, it's a little thing called Cool of the Week. So it's pretty open-ended, you know, and it's, we're pretty, we're pretty liberal with our rules on this. We've had, we've had like musicals and comedies and all kinds of stuff. So, gentlemen, if you know, I don't know, Diamond, you want to get started? What, what's the

coolest thing that you've checked out this week? It can be a movie, video game, whatever. You know, coolest thing I've checked out this week, I dare say it's, it's turkey shoot, because I know we're going to talk about that in a minute, but it kind of is. I just haven't seen that one. You know what? I'll tell you what. I recently rewatched.

It was hard to find years ago. Kind of what turned me on to the B movie genre, there was a movie that came out called 555. Most people have never heard of it. It's so obscure. It's about this, the criminal it's all about necrophilia. And it's unbelievably wonderful. And so it's this,

and the wonder of the week, and I can only do it physically is, in one scene, you just see the body going like this. Okay. I know this is a podcast, people don't hear you see that, but it's just this up and down

on a dead corpse with a shadow going. And that's so, I know that's a weird cool of the week, but I may be, Blankenstein so there you go. All right. There you go. So 5-5-5, just the three numbers, right? Look up 555. You can see that movie. It says B-movies, it gets. One camera angle.

1988. Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah, that's right, Brian. And about about about, yeah, look it up. About three camera angles, maybe. I mean, it really, it really influenced a lot how I shot Blankinstein to be honest. when it comes to influence it. But that's why cool in the week. There you go. A classic.

Robert, what's you got, man? Well, besides the movies we're going to talk about today, the other thing I just recently saw that I liked was a sequel to the movie Cisoo. Oh, yes. The new version just came out. That was awesome. Dude, oh, my God.

The kill scenes was just epic. The gunfire, the blood splatter, the gore. It's a freaking rad. movie, man. If you guys like the first one, the second one's even better. I love the first one. I like the first one. Yeah. So good, man. That's exactly what I was going to ask, because the first one is pretty amazing. Yeah, dude. The first one was awesome. I didn't know about it, really, and I got like halfway in, I was hooked. And then when I saw the second one came out, I instantly, I was,

it's out. So I went and watched it. And yeah, that's freaking epic movie. The visual effects shots, the stunts in there, the choreograph, the fighting. It's from a film standpoint. It's just It's an awesome movie to watch. It's just a fun movie to watch. So, yeah, definitely cool. Very nice. All right, cool. I've seen it out there.

Just haven't watched it yet. I haven't seen it either. All right, I'm going to go. I'll go with Shameless again. You guys ever seen the TV show, Shameless, the American version? All right. I think we're going to go back and watch the UK version. I believe James McAvoy.

A very, very young James McAvoy is in it. Yeah. I didn't even know there was. was a UK version. I was thinking that same thing. Yeah, it was the original. Like, I think it was like five or six years before. So they, kind of like they did with the office, right?

They took a UK comedy and Americanized it. So. Right. But, yeah, we're in season five. It's the American version and just the depth of the character development. Like, the show starts off. Like, everybody seems real black and white. Like, there's this complete deadbeat.

out of heart that doesn't care about anybody. And things are starting to change a little bit, you know, in some of the predicaments and positions that that character's in. And you get really interested in all the different storylines. You guys, have you guys made it all the way through to the finale? I haven't. I haven't made all the way through. No.

Yeah, I don't think I have either. Yeah. Well, they're all up on Netflix now. So shout out to Netflix. And, uh, nice. Yeah. It's like a lot of seasons, though. I think it's 11.

I think it's 11. Yeah, so we're halfway-ish done. I didn't realize there's so many seasons. That's crazy. Yeah. It was on for a while. They have a lot of killer guest stars, too. Like, even Negan showed up in an episode.

Oh, nice. Did you build a seal? I'm going to say 11 seasons, you're sounding a lot like the Walking Dead. That's about where I fell off. Yeah, no shit. I kind of stopped watching Walking Dead after they killed off Carl and Glenn. I was like, ah, I had to kill off Carl. I was like, ah, yeah, for me, it did.

Kind of jump, kind of jump the shark, didn't it? Yeah, my kid's watching it right now. He's not quite there, but yeah, that's where I dropped off, so I can't really tell him. All right, well, that's my cool of the week, shameless. Well, I'll jump in. I've got another non-horror. Is this thing on? It's Will Arnett stand-up?

Okay. But he's like, it's like a serious comedy tragedy thing going on. You know what I mean? Like he's having problems with his life and he gets a divorce and he takes up stand-up comedy. and you know sometimes it goes okay sometimes it doesn't the way it goes but it's it's a it's a pretty solid movie it's better than I expected it to be like it's got some heart it's a lot more serious than I than I thought it was going to be but Will Arnett as a serious actor I think it works that's funny I was gonna go see that

and I thought it looks kind of like a chick flick I wasn't sure it was my thing it's not real chick-clicky no no it's not bad It just sort of follows Will Arnett through his whole divorce thing. I mean, I guess it sort of follows his wife a little bit too. That's Lorna Dern. I don't like chick flick. I don't like things that kind of pull my heartstrings that make me feel sad. Oh, I got you.

Yeah, no, it is definitely more serious than you would expect, though. So it does have some heart string stuff in there. I like Will Arnett. I'm not to check that out. Right on. Me too. Yeah, he can do comedy or he can play it straight. He's pretty good at going back and forth.

So it sounds like it's probably good. I'll give it a shot. And you said Laura Derns his wife in there? Yeah. Oh, that's wild. Yeah. She looks a little different, but she's like aged gracefully. You know what I mean?

Okay, good. That's a lot of these. Why don't she doesn't cry? Like a blue mother, I can't handle her face and she cries. Well, yeah, that's a problem. Blue velvet, you know. Brian, what you got? I checked out.

I got a screener for a movie called Trucker. It's a indie movie. It's a slasher slash revenge movie. It's pretty decent. The kills were pretty cool. And not really anybody I recognized in the cast, but I thought they all did a pretty decent job of acting. So check out Trucker.

I also checked out a movie called The Hermit, starring Lou Farragno. Oh, Gilles. The Hulk. The Hulk gets small, apparently. Yeah, he plays the title character, and this movie's got a lot of Texas chainsaw vibes, and also Motel Hell, if you guys ever seen that one? Oh, yeah, I see that. Yeah, for sure. There's an aspect of that.

is Lou the killer? Yes. Really? Jesus. And they also use his real life of being deaf as a part of the storyline in the movie. Good for this. That's great. That was pretty decent.

And I guess my actual cool of the week was Daredevil Season 2. Oh, nice. Yeah. I love that one. Yeah. Season one was awesome. I got a little bit in the season two, but yeah, no, Daredevil is awesome. Yeah, a lot of setup in his first episodes, so it looks like it's going to be an interesting season.

Nice. Brian, have they got just the first episode so far? Yeah, I think they got a weird release schedule. I think next week they're releasing two episodes, and then a week after that it's going back to one a week. Okay. No, no epic, no epic 10-minute-long fight scene yet. there was some good fight scenes it's definitely they're up into violence in this season and drop quite a few f bombs i was kind of surprised at least me plus wow how we've grown huh

that's all i got for this week nice all right well we got we got we have two sections we normally do guys we usually do uh horror headlines where we talk about some items in the news and then we usually do trailer park. And trailer park is where we watch a couple of trailers and comment on them. But we're skipping those tonight because you guys are here. So we want to kind of put the spotlight on Plankinstein, right, Brian? Absolutely. Thank you.

We appreciate you guys. We really do, man. I know you guys have a lot of films. You guys get screens for. I mean, Brian, you just mentioned Trucker. So we appreciate you guys having us, man. Thank you. Yeah.

Cool. Yeah. So before we get into the movie itself, like, you guys, can y'all give us a little history, like how this thing came about? And where did you come up with the idea for a killer surfboard? Well, I guess that's all me. I am a surfer, and I had bought a surfboard, just a 12-foot softboard at a garage sale that the nose was broken and flipped back and kind of hang on by a thread. And so I came home and fixed it with these dowels and I stitched it, literally stitched it up.

And I fixed it. And I have a tenant who lives downstairs. And a good friend of mine said, did he check this out, man? I go, my board looks like Frankenstein. He looks at me. He goes, it's kind of a stoner. He goes, Frankenstein who looks more like Frankenstein? No shit.

I started laughing so hard. I've never written anything. This is year like 2010, right around 2010, I think it was. And I started laughing. said, you know what? I'm making a movie. And he said, what? I said, I went to the liquor store and it's all true. That same day, I went to the liquor store about a fifth of Jack Daniels. I went to the beach and I sat and four hours later, I had Plankinstein written. So, well, the original so, yeah, whiskey and Plankenside well together.

That's the way to write a movie right there. Yeah, that way to write a movie. And I wrote the reason. So I had done this movie once, years ago. The first thing I ever did was Plankinstein. Not this version, but I did. a different version. The script is very similar. And I shot it on a Sanio, not a San Diego, not a Sony, but a Sanio exactee water camera, the whole movie. And it was pretty, pretty bad in the B, but I'm great in the B movie realm. But now, I didn't know what the hell I was doing at the time. I didn't know how to edit really. I mean, edits were great. But when I exported it, I exported it in 720. And so watching it now is just, so then that sparked my interest in film. And then I went to

film school and did all these different things. And then I came back. I said, I got a reshoot Plank Einstein in a way that people can watch it. And I'm, and I tried to make it as close to the B movie style as I could, you know, static shots, not a lot of nowadays, there's a lot of jibs, but we can get into that later. But that's, that's the origination of Plankensstein right there. Yeah, he was a, he was a wrecked board on the side of a road. Okay. Makes sense. Robert, how did you get involved, man? I've worked with Diamond for years 10 plus 10 12 15 years

Me and Diamond has been buddies for a while We've worked with in the past lots of times I'm usually always like whenever Diamond's got a new gig Or a project he usually always hits me up Typically for crew or visual effects Or motion graphics which is what my specialty is I did a little bit of acting for something we did Years back ago called Potluck with Smooch

Me, Diamond and a bunch of us other guys We did like a web series And so it was my first real like acting with Diamond on one of his roles. And then all of a sudden he gets a, I get a, he talked to me about Plankinstein doing visual effects and crew. But then out of the blue, he calls me and he goes, hey, what do you feel about playing scary? And I was like, um, you know, I'm not really an actor, right? He goes, yeah, but you did so good with Palliwood Smooth. It's just playing it normal.

Like, you just need to be like a stoner guy. And I was like, all right, man. I'll trust your vision. So, like, all right, so moving forward, and then I get another call. He's like, I got a weird, crazy idea. Can you play the elder as well? Can you play two characters? I was like, so you're going to play two different characters?

I was like, because the elder is supposed to be like a much older person. I was like, how? That doesn't make any sense. So Diamond's like, I'm going to rework it. I'm going to rewrite some stuff. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. I was like, all right, dude.

So I trust Diamond and what his envisions are. And I just got to roll with the point. He'll come in. You're like, hey, put on this crazy, like, you know, all the crazy stuff that Scarry was wearing in the soil. I was like, all right, dude, they're on the beanie. And it was like, all right, all right. And it worked out. I had a lot of fun.

My biggest thing was trying to, because, again, I'm not an actor, so trying to memorize all the lines and everything. My girlfriend used to do theater, so she helped me out with that part. But I remember on set, we got down to the waterfall scene where we're doing the coat, the hoodie scene. and I'm supposed to be talking about the whole legend of the plankboard and we thought we're going to do the beginning and then ADR the rest. I was like, I actually memorized the whole thing. He's like, okay, let's shoot it all now. It was awesome.

And we just ran through it right there. It was awesome, yeah. So it was cool. And I'll tell you, if I could address that, that was all a pure function of what we had to do. When you make indie films with no money, you're not paying anybody and everybody's there off of, you know, we, Robert and I've worked on so many other people's films. so other people want to work on our stuff kind of thing, right? So you know, paying people, especially actors,

they kind of move and they go different places or they don't come. So scary was kind of a function. Robert, I called them almost two days prior to our first day of shoot said, hey, man, the guy we had to play scary pulled out. You're going to be on set being our best boy. What do you think? It was because he was going to be on set, period. And then it was very similar with the Elvath.

You're there. Yeah, my sister is the old. only person who doesn't live in Hawaii. She lives in L.A. And she plays the lead cop, the Captain Miller. And I said, Amy's playing over for a week to shoot. We had an older guy, a gentleman who was supposed to show up and he said,

hey, I can't get there. I can't make it. So I was called Marvin and said, hey, look, I got a weird idea. I know we're shooting tomorrow. You need to memorize these lines. And you're going to be in there. He's like, okay. And I go, I know it's very Scooby-Doo, but it's what we got to do. Right.

So that's how that happened. Hey, scary was my favorite character, aside from me. Moken hot chick. Aside from the smoking hot chick. That's another one. She was in an episode of Fottling with Smooch, and she's afterwards, she said, I'll work on anything you do. So when I rewrote Planketson, I had her in mind the whole time.

She's a local bikini model. Isn't she great? She's so smoking. And she's a great actor. She's a great actor. Yeah, that was my great. That was the question I was going to ask. Is that like a local?

term being called the tuna? It's interesting. Funny story about that. Robert's a local dude. I've been here for 20, 25 years. Robert grew up here. He's Hawaiian, his mom's Hawaiian, all that. And when I was writing that, when I had that term,

I was like, I had a different term. I called Robert. I said, can you give me something local? And he's like, I can't think of anything. So he called his mom. Robert's mom, right, mom? Right. She came up with, she goes, well, in my day,

we used to call girls tuna. They don't do it anymore. Right? I don't know anymore, right? All that hooker, she's just that tuna. Look, I'm very pitching. We're bringing tuna back. Yeah, that's a pretty descriptive term.

It's pretty rough. I like it. It was funny in the theater. We were watching. My mom came for the screening in the theater and should sit right next to me. And after, like, the 10th tuna being set on the film, my mom turns like,

so am I going to get paid for every time they say tuna. I was like, you tell Diamond, I get royalties for that, right? I'm like, I don't know, Mom, sure. It moved the story along, right? That's the important thing. Don't call me a tuna. It's great, too, it's like old school local people here in Hawaii. They'll get it, you know. Eventually, as you watch the film, you catch on,

but the local people, it's like a shout out to those guys, you know, like, oh, you guys are bringing it back. Like, yeah, we're bringing back tuna. Oh, I'm definitely using it from now on. Perfect. Well, you guys were gracious enough to send us a screener, so we appreciate that. But before we forget to ask, people that are listening are watching, where could you find this movie? Where's it at? We got stuck.

I'll tell you, for a movie that we made this movie under $10,000. We made it for about $8,500, my own money out of my money. And that was almost all crap services. And we we we, but I worked my ass off the distribution for the last year and a half and we got it. So we got distribution worldwide with a company called the Hore Collective. There are distributors. And a shout out to our partners in L.A synesthesia factory. They kind of got us that distribution.

So we're now distributed on Amazon Prime, Fandango, 2BTV, Vimeo TV, Zumo and Bloodstream. So, yeah, and we're really stoked. I mean, yeah, so you can watch it. You can pay to watch it or rent it on Amazon Prime with no commercials or watch it with commercials on 2B for free. Yeah. Nice. I'm happy with that.

Yeah, we're, we're blow our minds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys are watching. It's not the kind of film that typically gets signed, it gets a big, good distribution deal. It's all usually indie stuff, so we're pretty happy about it. Wow. Very nice.

Yeah. Well, I'm a big, I'm a big musicals guy, okay? and I get shit for it sometimes here. But you guys had a musical number in the middle here. What's up with that? Who all was involved in that? What's the story? My thought was when I wrote that, so I'm a music, funny you say,

a music guy. I was a musician for many years. It's a band called Dick Diamond and the Family Jewels. Years ago in San Diego, we did tours. But we did tours of the Chili Peppers years ago when they were first starting out. We did West Coast tours up and down. down California. And so I'm a writer. So I wrote, I wrote all the music, except for the score, Eddie Owen, a guy who lives on the West Coast, wrote that, did all the score, all the songs

in the movie I wrote. And when I wrote Burnaboard, I had exactly what you had in mind. I had kind of a beach blanket bingo kind of, you know, because it's a beach movie. I thought, we need kind of a dance movie, kind of thing like that. So that's where that came from. I wanted a dance number kind of thing. It never, when we, the night that we shot it, I had a whole bunch of different choreograph moves planned to kind of do stuff. Right, man, we just didn't get them. So you edit what you got, right? I love that musical number.

And in that musical number, you notice how when they snap their fingers, when they take the ass and everybody's wearing different clothes, it's all bright clothes. One of our other producers was Jario Batera. He's a painter and he's also our sound guy. When you make any films like this, everything, just kind of comes from everywhere. And when I was telling him, what I was doing, he goes, oh, he has these really bright

paintings that he has been made into textiles and they're made into clothing, right? So he's like, I have all this sample that we can have everybody wear. And I said, well, get it. Then we'll make it acid. Why not? That works. Everything else is crazy in this movie. Philip, you had a favorite scene, didn't you?

It was the first scene Philha. It was the first scene where the board really gets it. And it's the guy with the dildo in the water. That took me out. Don't you love when the penis is floating along the reef and the music? Yeah, it had like balls and all on it. I know.

How did that happen? I was like, wait a minute, I don't know if that's how that would work. You know what's funny. Oh, sorry, I was going to say, what's funny about that whole dildos, the penis pool scene and all that. So the dildo we got, it kept filling up with water. It would keep sinking or floating away. It wouldn't stay in the scene where we wanted it to be. So we're like sitting there going, God damn, what are we going to do?

So I said, fuck it. So I said, fuck it. So I grabbed the. dildo, I ran off to the beach where we had all of our props and our gear and I found this long metal wooded, like a long metal dowel. And I just

like stabbed it through the side of the dick. And so I'm off camera puppeting. Jesus Christ. The, the, the dildo on the surface of the water. Under the water, it's fine because we're able to pull it with the leash and we got it to go through the camera. But for those scenes where she's

freaking out about the dick on the water, I'm sitting here with the metal rod, puppeting the, the, the freaking thing to stay where it needs to be. And then later on in post, I actually have to paint out the rod, because you can see it in all the shots. So I had to go over there and frame by frame paint out the rod so you didn't see it anymore. You did a good job. I never caught it. Thank you. Thank you, man. Yeah, that was a lot of work. The water's constantly shifting. And so any little pop you would see it, right? So it took me, and there's quite a bit of those shots.

But it was funny, though, it was the day on the set, where we were filming that, there's just like big peer over our heads. And there's a, I looked up. there's a group of people watching a film this scene. And so I looked up at him and I just kind of waved out of him with the dildo on the stick. Like, hi.

Hi. But, man, that was a funny. And then apparently the dildo disappeared. After it got stolen. I don't know what happened. Well, I think it pulled it away and someone down the beach freaked out. Maybe a tune I found it.

The funny thing about that, about that dilder. I couldn't find one. Well, the actor we got, he's very Hawaiian. He has that dark skin. If you look at that penis, in front of my country, he goes, dude,

is there anybody can make that darker? It looks like it's from a vinyl. The hell, but it's what we got. It was also like the size of his arm. You know, what's funny is that actor. He's name is Dane. He never acted in his dialogue.

Dane Ake. Before he goes, he goes, okay, can I, he pulls me aside. He gets his dead serious. He goes, hey, are you going to make the penis big for me? me. There you yeah.

And he's a younger guy. He's 18 years old. He just turned 18. I go, yeah, it's going to be a huge penis. He was very concerned about that.

I don't know what he was saying. Buggy night style. I don't understand. I'm glad that was your favorite scene, Philip, because it's mine. I'll tell you what to me really makes that scene amazing is,

like I said, once all the screaming is done, we go underwater. Owen, the guy who did the score, that, that that that that kind of voice and that oh you just

the penis floating to the water in slow motion to me with that with his music is just I think it's poetic it was great that was that was the one that grabbed me quick question about the music was it all original all of the song the score was all original and I wrote all the songs

oh nice that way they didn't have to pay for it exactly right Diamond's great at it, so why not, you know? Yeah. Like even slow moving aloha, which the band plays, it was funny enough because I had written that a long time ago, and I needed a song for the band to pass that shit, just used one of mine.

I'm not going to pay you, but it's just used one. And it's slow moving aloha, so it fits white. It's in. Brian, what did you think about this movie, dude? Did you have a favorite scene or a favorite actor or anything? We already talked about my favorite scene, and we already mentioned my favorite actor. She was very nice.

Isn't she? Laylani is a real name. She really is. There's a hotel here called the Alani, which is the Disney Hotel here. Pretty exclusive, pretty expensive, like a thousand dollar room. Of course.

She plays. She's Moana when people come there, when the girls come here and she's dressed as Moana. She's actually on the commercial too. It's funny. She's on the commercial. Check it out on YouTube. It's a really quick cut.

It's a scene with her and she's dancing as Malana. She looks over at a little girl. But it's like the side of her face. But yeah, no, that's her. She's in the commercial and everything. And let me tell you, she's, she's as lovely as she looked. She's funny. She's smart.

She's super cool. She knew all of her line. She showed up. She's just great all the way out. She's professional. She's staffed as hell. And she's staff. I'll tell you somebody.

She'll hate. for me to say this, but in all of the scenes that we shot, the very first weekend we shot, we shot, I got a campsite on near the North Shore where I had built that big, the scary surf hut, and I, believe it or not, I put that scary surf on the back of my fucking truck. It was crazy. I drove all the way to the North Shore.

I strapped it down with these things. We got there, but I got a campsite for the weekend so we could shoot that whole scene, I mean, all of those three scenes in a row. And she was, a week later, she had a big swimsuit competition on the East Coast. So she was absolutely cut for every single scene there. And then there's a few scenes later on where she's not, she wasn't like trimming down for it, where she's, she hates, she's like,

I don't look, I think she looks, I'm like, really? She thinks she looks heavy in those things. I'm like, come on. So Brian, I'm going to tell her you were not disappointed. She'll be very happy. Thank you. And a quick question. I dated a Laylaani once.

She didn't look like that. Did she ever have a, any issues with because as far as like the tuna stuff in the movie they everybody pretty everybody goes pretty hard on her throughout the movie did it ever bother her filming any of those scenes no god no no she's she's so aware of who she is she doesn't care at all even the crotch shot you know the when the board falls and falls right in front of a crotch and i hold it there for long periods of time a little bit more times yeah yeah there's a reality and she and i'm like just stay stay hold hold home

And I've got cat. She's like, she's like, oh, my God, what are you doing that guy? She's like, I hope I shave. I'm glad I shaved this morning. So she's all, she's no, not none whatsoever, Brian. She was just up for, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She really is great.

The one thing she didn't want to do is get her hair wet. So if you notice her when she's surfing, her hair is never wet because it frizzes out. She says when it gets wet, it goes, yeah, well, she was saying that she had some kind of a photo shoot coming up, like, either the day before or like the day after or something like like in the next morning or something and so they had just did her hair and so yeah she didn't want to miss her hair she wouldn't get her wet at all for any of the things she just like it's going to freeze out diamond then I won't look the same that I did earlier and the truth is she has that really Hawaiian curly frizz hair she knows right it literally gets wet and the wind to start drying it just goes you know she may as well be a Samoan football

player you know yeah you guys were lucky to score some of the talent you got Like the musical performers. Are they real performers? Or did you just jam or what? No, that was just scary. Okay. My buddy Jeff Jewett. And our sound guy, Rajario, was on the drums.

Yeah, the lifeguard. Jeff Jewett? Yeah, he had the lifeguard guy. Yeah, he's the same lifeguard. The whole code. And he's also, well, he plays also the surfer guy with the crazy Tina Turner looking like hair. Yeah. Yeah.

He's one, he's a Brazilian. And he, not to get, this is not a political show, but he just, he about two, three months ago got, he's a Brazilian, he got abducted by ice. And he sat, he was in ice for like, he was in detention for about, I guess, three months. And they just, just, they just deported him back down to Brazil. Um, he's, yeah, we're so, we're bummed. You know, he's been one of our best friends and workers for a long time. He's, his wife is a, she's actually an ex-Miss Hawaii who she's blind. Um, and he, so we're not, we're not, we're open him out with that. We've done a lot of rallies to give it, raise him money and stuff. So, yeah. Yeah. But he said us the links for that stuff, man. So we can. I will. I will. You know, a matter of fact, in the, in the, when we had our, when we did our release, when we did our first screening, we sold out, right? Uh, big theater and here in here in Kailua. Rizario, Rizario got arrested. Rejario got arrested like three days earlier. And let me tell you, he was dead. Yeah, yeah. So we had everybody, I talked to everybody. I talked to everybody.

before the show and I said, look, every time he ran across the state, the screen, everybody in the audience yelled, release Rejario! Jesus! And they did. They started yelling it every time. I did it when I went to the Big Island,

every theater I've done it, and I've asked the audience to screen, release Rejaro when they see the light card running across the screen. If you knew him, he's a great, great, great, great dude. That was a digression. That was an aggression. Sorry, but he's a good dude.

But as far as the musician, I'll tell you, not to go back real quick, but the guy who sings that song, Jacques Moore, he's an actor from Maui. Actually, he moved to Florida,

but he was going to come over and just shoot that one scene. And so what I did was I wrote the song and I programmed that I did the drums and the bass line and kind of some loose keys. My brother's a really great musician that lives in Oregon and Portland. So I sent it to him and say,

Hey, Rusty, can you make this bradder? So he fluffed it up. He put guitar. He just did a bunch of stuff to it. I then sent it to Jacques on Maui, and he went into a studio, a friend of his, for free, and he, Jacques actually sings the song. The actors actually sings it. Send it back to my brother, we mixed it, we mixed it, and then we just shot it for the movie. So yeah, he's actually singing that song.

Damn, all right. Yeah, I was, my wife had been to Hawaii. You guys are in Oahu? Yeah. Yeah, we were there for a little bit. You got to do that, the tourist stuff, and Pearl Harbor and all that, but we really dug the big island, like, untouched areas. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, where I live, I live on, I live on, like in Kailua, and if you go to the windward side on a while, it starts looking a lot more untouched. But if you guys, if you guys, Brian, any of you, Philip, Lance, you guys ever get here, we will take care of you, man. We'll show you guys. Nice. Good to know. We'll show you with the, we'll show you with a tuna room. Yeah. All right. You guys fill up, Brian, you guys have any more questions?

Yeah, as far as like the cast, um, did you guys have the people are? in mind or did you have to do like auditions? Audition. Well, I had Lily in mind, Leilani. I knew I wanted her and she had agreed to it. And I knew I wanted my sister as Captain Miller. She just, I think my sister's a great actress. And she wanted to be in it.

So there you go. And she's almost everything I do. She's almost everything I do, to be honest. But everybody else, we did auditions. We did tapes auditions, partly because of COVID. We were kind of gearing up to it towards you into COVID. And you know, yeah, yeah. And, you know, we had people, we had people cast that we worked with and worked with

and all of a sudden they just dropped out for whatever reason. So then we'd have to recast. Yeah, a lot when you're not paying people. Let me tell you. So hurting, hurting wet cats is way easier than hurting unpaid actors. And the rule with us is, and any indie film is, is money paying gigs take precedent over a free gig always unless we lock down unless we lock down a shoot date if we reach out to you and you say hey yeah i can do that date and it's locked if a gig comes long you can't book it because

because there's like 30 people us showing up right so um and there were a few people who didn't make that promise like we thought but you know no hard feelings just the way life goes i i also really appreciated the other cop though i thought he oh my god he was yeah you know what i i i That was Robert, Robert and Shane. Robert and Shane had worked on a short film somewhere else here. And Shane, let me tell you, that guy's one of the funniest dudes on the planet, just to hang out with. A lot of his stuff was improv.

Like, he's like, look, he came up just like a movie. He came up like a movie. That was not in the script. He said that. I said, okay, we're done with that scene. He was by far, he was like one of my favorite characters, man. Every time he was on screen. Yeah, no, just, yeah, his improv was just spot on, dude.

And yeah, I worked with them on this other movie stack before. first time meeting him on that set and then I was like dude I and he's got some martial arts training too like his dad runs like a like a taekwondo classes here and he did it from him he was a super young kid so he already got some martial arts

he goes yeah I'm like dude I'm so keeping you in mind for other film ideas that I want to get and then when Diamond was saying he was trying to find someone to play officer Nohoa I was like dude perfect Shane just audition him you know what I mean I mean if you don't like him you don't like him but I think he's going to do great dude

Shane's awesome, Barrow, and he's super professional. When he says it's going to be on set, he's on set. Bright and early, ready to go. All ready to go. And he's got his line. So dude's awesome. Yeah. But we, Brian, as far as Casson goes, we just really did.

It's funny because after watching Turkey Shoot, and I noticed that one thing you say about, we're going to talk about Turkey Shoot a minute. I know the things. What I liked about, if you're funny, I didn't think the acting was particularly horrible for that kind of film. I mean, there was some redeemable actors in that film.

And I think Plankinstein, what makes Plank Insider for me a great movie is we have really good actors in Plankensight and none of them are union not one of them because we were non-union we decided because I didn't want to deal

with that shit so and I love them my sister's great actors we can't forget Stuart Featherin who played the boyfriend I mean he's hysterical that guy's great you know and they all just

I think they all just yeah I think it a good me be movie to work the acting has to be played really straight and you've got to get actors that can do it

you know and not trying to be silly right yeah even when you're chucking dead dogs and you know hey now be careful what about he was my puppy my wife doesn't like that scene we were actually on set in wamanalo shooting that scene where he's dragging the dead dog behind the bike and there was a lady that's at the beach that started like like going after him like Yeah, you got your freaking dog on the leash. Yeah, understandable. And like, I'm a local boy, and I grew up there, and my family's been there, you know what I mean?

So I come running out of the side. I'm like, Auntie, Auntie, it's all good. It's a fake dog. We're shooting a film. She's like, what the hell? And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, it's all good. Come to find out, she knows my mom. And she's like, oh, my God, your mom.

She moved down. I'm like, yeah, you know, I'll tell you mom. I said, hi. I'm like, yeah, sure, no problem. I walk away. I was like, you know, like, you know everybody in Wamanano. I was like pretty much, Wamanalo, Kailu. That's kind of my stomping ground growing up.

So, but no, there was a couple times where we're on set in Wamanalo, and I had to kind of jump in and throw a little pigeon out there and kind of get the local guys to be to chill out a little bit because we're doing some things a little unorthodox, but, you know, whatever. Dildoes and dead fake dogs will do that. Right. People might freak out about a couple of those things. Yeah, totally.

I was one day in Nalo, Wai Manolo, he's talking about as a town very local very very local and a lot of not a big not a big balinese boys but there was one time i was there but i started at it and i knew i needed the scenes after the big kill scene after the big uh paddle out i needed all those things floating up on the water in the water so i went there by myself i made all the blood and i'm out there in the water by myself with my camera in the water dropping things and doing this and i come coming out with these dead body parts and the foot the cops come walking up to me and they're like what's that Somebody called the police saying that I was, that I was, and I thought, no, no, dude, they're fake parts.

They were pissed off because they thought I was using chemicals in the water. It was that the concern was. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I understood. And I was like, no, no, no. And I just drank it.

I go, look, because I made it out of sugar, you know, that kind of shit. Because in the ocean, I'm not going to put the fake blood that we all use, right? And I started yelling at the guy who called the cops and going, all you had to do is come over and ask. Like, why? You were holding the foot, bro. The cops They loved it, man They love that kind of

Once they figure it out They're like, wait, wait, so you're doing what? It's on it, it's on and so forth What the fuck? Because the locals just love the idea of this film More than anything Because it's a very It's a very Hawaii film

It feels like you're in Hawaii All right Well, cool, we appreciate the opportunity, guys And glad you'll stop by Maybe we can do this again too, right? Oh, man. We do the show every week Almost 10 years now, so lots of stuff coming out.

You guys are doing this for 10 years? You guys, are you three? Well, Brian, Brian knows the date. That kind of surprised me for a second. Yeah, it would be 10 years in May. Did you guys ever live in the same geographical region to meet each other, or is this something that came born about the Internet? They did.

I've always been in Alaska. Always in Alaska. We've met up a couple times, though. Yeah, Texas Frightmare. Yeah. I think that's really cool, man. Nice. All right.

Well, we'll give another shout out to where the movie is at the end in case somebody joins the show late. But, Philip, we had any feedback this week? Yeah. All right. This week we're going to shine the podcast spotlight on horror sandbox. A weekly podcast hosted by Charlie and Eleanor that dives into horror films to uncover the deeper,

sometimes comforting, psychological and thematic meanings within the genre. The show explores a variety of horror movies, analyzing them from different angles. Sounds like an elevated horror podcast from the description. They just talk about 824 films or what? Probably. The horror sandbox.

Right up your alley, Lance. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And going in the opposite direction in regards to chopping mall, Pat Caruso says, also was it or was it not originally called killbots this is probably brine's territory

yes it originally was i think there's some promotional artwork before they changed the shopping mall i like chopping mall better yeah me too pretty original all right uh predator two adam bunch says uh as a kid who saw this for his 12th birthday thanks dad uh and had a

life-size poster of the predator, this still holds a place for me. And my train operator job is now on and takes place right through the area they film the subway scene. Nice. I like it. I've got some,

I've got a soft spot for Predator 2. As bad as it is. It's a great movie. Yeah. Friday the 13th, part 5. I don't even know Which one that is. I don't know.

Pat Crusoe says it's one of his favorites in the franchise. It's got Juana Man and everything. Okay. That's a callback. All right. That's it for listener feedback this week. Our intro and logos are from Steve Carlton from the geeks. Be on the lookout for some more great stuff from him.

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why not alright on to featured attractions it's time to play some hide and seek with a turkey shoot from 1982 in a dystopian future deviance are held in re-education camps, a freedom fighter and an innocent prisoner, try to survive their decadent oppressors game of kill or be killed.

Director is Brian Trashard Smith, also known for Drive Hard and Pimpin Peewee. Pimpin Pimping Peewee? Is that a movie? I don't know. I wasn't sure if that was his nickname. I wasn't sure. writers are John George Neil Hicks and George Schenck Shank whatever Olivia Hussie almost accidentally

cut off Roger Ward's hand in one scene when the director yelled cut she took the order the wrong way during the scene and Ward just pulled his hands out of the way in the nick of time I know exactly as opposed to using a prop sword

yeah that's a little bit of a bit better idea. The nude extras in the group shower scene that lets you know what kind of movie this is were from a local hippie commune. Fair enough. All right, Daven, you want to let us know

what you thought about turkey shoot? I think excesses what makes life worth living. That's what the guy with the beard said at one point when they were plotting who they were going to eat all four they were going to kill when they were talking about their weapons and the guy with the you know the spark looking hair guy he goes my dear excess is what makes life with living but it was it made me think a little bit of remember the movie with ice tea in it surviving the game you guys see that ice tea was in a movie

where he's a homeless dude and these rich dudes they're going to take him hunting in the woods and they take into a cabin. They kind of whining him and dine him for two days. And then they release him to hunt him. And then he comes back and kills all that kind of thing. I know that I've ever seen that. Yeah. Yeah. Surviving the game. Brian, Brian, you guys have covered it right on that action returns or no, we covered it. You guys, his memory is horrible. Oh, fuck. Pedro is listening. I'm going to catch some shit. Guys, I forget. Why I? Or I was really drunk, which is a possibility. but I loved her I thought I thought Trubishi was great

like I said earlier I thought the acting was not as horrible as I expected to be and it's just I here's what to be honest with you I can't figure out what they got the budget for that kind of shit I was shot in what 1984 was that movie made 82 it came out yeah yeah 82

in 82 I look at what they have there that's a couple I mean for today's budget that's a million dollar film right easily I mean if you think about the location all the gun towers, the vehicles, the explosions. All the explosions, yeah. The actors. Real fire.

Yeah, exactly. We're talking a real huge crew cast there, and I don't know how they pulled that off for a movie that was never going to do a damn thing. I mean, what were they doing? I guess that's what they did in the early 80s, right? Their studios have excesses of just cashed. They were just making a bunch of stuff, right?

And as I mentioned, they're doing some stuff that a lot of insurance people here in whole, why would not allow. You know, like that, you know, they just wouldn't allow some of that stuff to go on. Like the guy getting almost, you know, they got that low angle shot of the guy with that big tractor trailer driving over him. No. And then, and then him walking along the cliffs with the waterfall during that whole, when

the hunt started and the old guy with the sniper rifle, you can clearly see the little squibs on the rocks, you know, like they cut back. Little squib is gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. but it's like this guy standing literally standing up there's no safety harness there's no crew safety crew normally this would be like caught like on a back lot somewhere made out of styrofoam like two feet off the ground but this guy was like legit in the freaking side of a cliff if that one strata rock from that pauper would have went off into his head he would have went right over

and done so i'm like this is that's how you know this is an old 80s movies man because they're just not doing stuff like that no more they just can. Nowadays, you can. You get sued up the ass for that shit. That was the all or nothing days. Pretty much. Yeah, it really was. No rules. But I enjoyed it. I surprised me. I did.

I enjoy all those old school movies, but I did. I enjoyed the two leads, the woman and the guy. And also, let's be honest, the ultimate weapon. What was he? He called him a the guy who looked like

the were- The werewolf guy. What the hell was that? It was so wonderful. Found him at a circus. That's right. What do you call him? He called him a geek or not a... I don't remember what to call it.

You got him from a freak show or something. It was weird enough where like I fell asleep during the movie and I woke up and some other random ass movie was playing where they were like fighting monsters and I was like, oh, this is the same movie. Same movie. Same movie. That's weird. Where'd that motherfucker come from?

You know what? It makes total sense. It makes total sense. Oh, wow. Scary, what did you think about it? I thought it was a crazy movie. I used to love, like, you know, I'm an old school guy. I love new movies, you know, like visual effects and all that.

But I love old school movies, too. You know, like, you know, like just from Toxic Avengers, best of the best, old school 80s and 90s films. But I kind of like this one. I dig dystopian films. I love post-apocalyptic, things like that. And this is definitely something I would have watched as a kid, you know what I mean, especially with all the nude scenes.

Of course, you know, I'm a little dab. Of course, but I actually kind of enjoyed it. It was some moments where my eyebrows was raised, like, what the hell is this? Like, what the hell is going on here? Definitely when the Monster Man came out. I thought it was funny, too, because I don't know if those were, like, contacts he was wearing.

They had the close of his eyes. And one contact was just slightly crooked. So I was like, they, like, missed it. I noticed they're like misaligned it ever so slightly, but I don't know. I kind of enjoyed it. I watched it. I started watching it, and then I was kind of doing something. I just kind of sat down and just continued to watch it.

So it captured my attention during the film, but it was cool. I dug it. Yeah, it was entertaining. Yeah, all right. Brian, what did you think? Oh, I love this. If it wasn't for Turkey Shoot, we wouldn't have had movies like The Hunger Games or anything like that. Oh, true.

True. Yes. Steve Railsback, Olivia Hussey, they were definitely, I like that you can tell they were actually doing their own stunts because there's another scene where they're running down a hill and they're falling down. You can see that's Olivia Hussey falling down to the side of the hill. And I love the randomness of the, I don't know what, the creature from the freak show, how he just pops up and the random weapons. all of a sudden, bazookas and exploding arrows

and just anything you can think of they threw in this movie. Some goofy-ass vehicles, too. Yeah. Oh, the tractor jeep or whatever it was. Yeah, whatever that was. Was like the turret on the top?

Like, where did you guys get that from? Like, seriously, custom build or saw, obviously, I don't know. And I like at the end, I like at the end when he tells her that she needs to shoot, use it. She's not even aiming.

She's just holding it randomly with one arm, spring in every direction. She's hitting the bad guys, magically. I don't know. Well, it's like the guy that got his hands cut off and he's like, oh, no. He just has his sleeves pulled up.

You can even see the bolt. Yeah, yeah. You can even see his fist underneath. Yeah. I'll tell you, I couldn't, I know it's not me to ask questions, but it's not my show what you're going to. But does anybody have any idea where that thing

was shot because parts of it looked like Hawaii didn't they want Robert I mean I looked tropical but then it didn't it looked I think Australia somewhere in California or something oh was Australia yeah pretty yeah pretty sure it was Australia and I think that it had like some UK financing

and some Australian financing and some American so that might explain the budget you know a little bit yeah because when I looked it up it had it listed as like an oispletation film and I was like there's like two Australian guys in this movie right they might have had like more crew

I bet they probably pulled from the Australian film crew out there you know on set so that's possibly where a majority of the Australian credit comes from yeah yeah they found it in far north Queensland Australia that makes sense then I think with the clips and stuff yeah that would make sense wow

Lance what did you think oh yeah I enjoyed it man I so I was I watched this Saturday morning after I woke up and did a little reading and had a few cups of coffee and just sat on the couch and didn't leave. I think I watched it on Tubi, so you'd get the commercials, so you had a chance to go to the bathroom or whatever, go get somebody to eat, quick snack, and then come back. But, yeah, I enjoyed it a lot. I thought it was really funny.

Robert, you were talking about the squibs that were visible and other things. What was with that schick of every time somebody got shot at, leaves? from the tree would fall down to branches, right? Like over and over and over and over. Like they kind of overused that one a little bit. But yeah, no, I enjoyed it, man. It was crazy, crazy. Deep social message, right?

But in a silly, goofy movie, you know. And they were even using like chess pieces that were African art and they were like plotting out what they were going to do these people. And, you know, there's probably a lot here that we're giggling. too much to really pay attention to, but I enjoyed it for sure. I was just going to be jealous. I like the idea of the really the social message. It was a pretty overtive. It was pretty clear that this regime was coming down on society. But you're so engaged with the big werewolf and all the other shit going on.

You're forgetting about this heavy thing that's happening, man. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was just going to say that, yeah, totally. No, I like that part about the, you know, Battle Royale and all that. But no, the one little thing I was going to mention was I like to, I'm pretty sure back in the 1982, they must have just came out with the clear inflatable pool beds. Right. Because in the, in the community, they had all those blocks, everybody was sleeping on. Everybody all had the same clear, inflatable pool beds. It was kind of like that movie, where, you were sleeping. Everybody, everybody all had the same clear, um, inflatable pool beds. It was kind of like, uh, that movie where, they were crocs just came out and so they're like we need a futuristic shoes and they're like let's grab these crocs because they're like right it looks pretty weird all of a sudden they became like super popular but i'm pretty sure somebody was like we need a bunch of beds for the for the

prisoners let's just go grab a bunch of pool beds so i didn't even notice that i got to go back and look i'm gonna go back and look at that i didn't know it's the part yeah i noticed the convert shoes i noticed the converse tennis shoes oh yeah that's right that's right i'm sure we're all going to rewatch this movie at some point yeah it was was a lot of fun and especially for one that has never really even been on my radar before. I mean, it's a when

Brian sent it to us, it said Most Dangerous Game, Turkey Shoot. And you know, I read Most Dangerous Game in high school, but, uh, and so this is sort of like that, but I guess it's just the Australian version

of it. And so that makes sense. Um, but I'd never heard of it, man. This was a, a lot of fun for what it was. I didn't expect a whole lot from it. And I really enjoyed it. I liked the weird wolfman guy and the crazy like dozer things that they had going on. The fucking weird guy with the stupid hair. One of the ladies makeup and you're just, yeah. Yeah. She's, she's, she's shooting.

freaking arrows and they're just exploding in trees and stuff. I didn't understand why, but don't ask too many questions. I was disappointed out of the warden. He got killed way too quick. He needed a man. Yeah. Yeah.

Should have been tortured, right? Yeah, yeah. He just got, what happened? His head just got blown up or something. I don't remember. Yeah. He was the guy that was taking it seriously. I know. I wanted him to be cut in half like our werewolf guy. I would have been way back.

Yeah. Did it seem to you guys at times, like the movie had scenes cut from it? Maybe. Now that you mentioned it. Because the guy with the eye makeup, he gets a machete to the head and we don't see it. The blonde chick that was one of the runners, we never see what happens to her. You're totally right. She's just dead.

It's implied. Yeah, there's like an arrow stuck in her head, but you don't actually see that whole scene. You're right. I'll be honest, and you're right, because I was looking forward to seeing what that one with the eye shadow was going to do to that blonde, and maybe we'd get to see that blonde naked. Right. But we didn't get to it. I know. A bonus.

She obviously had some pretty good bolt-ons for the age, so. All right. Let's go. We score our stuff from one to 10. What would you rate this one, Diamond? I'm giving this guy six. and a half. Just because the pure enjoyment,

I felt I enjoyed it all the way through. I didn't, maybe even a seven. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't feel like I had to get up and leave. I really didn't. I enjoyed it.

Lots of times there's a stale place and I didn't feel it in this film. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Robert? I was going to say the same thing, about a six.

It's up there as far as classics. You know, I can see myself watching it as a kid. But as a filmmaker, looking back at, I'm like, this is kind of, this is a kind of a wacky film and I don't know how you do it, but, you think, but I do, I, yeah, it's kind of wacky. There's some things that I notice. I'm just like, eh, all right, whatever, you know, for the time and all that. I'll let it slide, but yeah, I'll give it a six. I'll give it a six. Yeah, but you just made Plankinstein. You just

made Plankinstein with just as much bad shit in it as well. It's way better, way better effects, way better. I mean, no. Plague of science way better, but Phil. Oh, well, you have... I'm a little biased, but I'm going to say it out there. Hey, they didn't have a dildo on a ride in this one. Yeah, exactly. That's true.

We didn't have a divorce in our show, but whatever. We did have a pulled out penis, welcome. Brian, what are you then? I'm going to go slightly higher and give it seven out of ten. I had a lot of fun with it just from everything, from the wacky weapons to the, the,

wolf monkey man that pops up out of nowhere kills the one guy with the thick glasses with a backbreaker I'm a big pro wrestling fan so that that spoke to me right there as he did it I was like oh he's dead that's a finishing move right there and I think this would make a great double feature with something like Death Race 2000

Yes Makes sense Yeah that tracks Lance what do you think? Man, I'll go strong seven. I got a lot of enjoyment out of it. I don't know if it was just because I was in the right headspace because I didn't have all the shit of my day going on.

It was the first thing. And I don't know, it was just like going back to childhood, you know, like those old cheesy movies that we used to watch and get so much enjoyment out of. And I remember we used to try to get the pay-per-view channels and you could fiddle. with the dial a little bit, like in the day, and you would sort of get it like real choppy. And you got, try to get like the- Kind of move.

Yeah. Yeah. He's been in here putting foil on top of the antenna, trying to match the foil around the antenna. Yeah. I enjoyed it. Strong seven. Saw a boob. Yeah.

I think I saw boob. And you know, you know, Lance, you know, you said about it, the nostalgic, I think the music did that really strongly. It felt very much like the 80. The, the, mhm, ma, ma, my. I did. Yeah. It kind of made me, it kind of reminded me of, like, Logan's run, which is another great old school.

Absolutely. Post-apocalyptic, but it had that Logan's run kind of vibe to it. But, yeah, but without all the cool sci-fi stuff, a lot less sci-fi, more Mad Max meets Logan's run kind of a fee. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of surprised this one didn't get bigger than it did. Like, I don't even know that I don't.

ever even heard of it. And, uh, me neither. I, I think realistically I'm going to go six and a half with it. Uh, but I, I did, I had a ton of fun with this movie and it was very just,

nostalgic, you know, like it just, it felt old, but in a great way. That's why it's a six for me, too, is the nostalgia in it involved.

Right, right, right. Yeah. Totally. Totally. All right. Uh,

sounds like we all definitely recommend that one. We'll move on. to our new attraction. Ready or not, too. Here I come, and that is what is called? I think so. I believe so, yeah. After surviving one deadly game,

Grace and her sister, Faith, must outrun four rival families competing for a throne. Director and writers are Radio Silence, also known for Abigail, and the first Ready or Not. Radio Silence were working on an original film centered around a sister story set to star Catherine Newton and Samara Weaving.

However, when the Searchlight Pictures approved them to direct the sequel to Ready or Not, they proposed integrating their original sister story into Ready or Not universe. Searchlight pictures approved the idea. And here we are. They're actually given the artists some free rain on a high budget movie.

Yeah. What do you know? Well, they did pretty well in the first one. Yeah. All right, Diamond sounds like you missed this one. Robert, did you see it? I did. Actually, Diamond sent me the email for today's show saying, hey, we're going to be talking about this.

I was like, damn, I haven't seen that. It's in theaters. I saw the first one, and I liked it. Yeah. And my girlfriend, I just got home from the gym. It was kind of late. I was like, hey, babe, talking about the, about us being on this podcast, and I was like,

you want to go to the movies? You want to go watch? They're going to talk about this film, but I haven't seen it. She's like, I'm down, sure. So I was like, all right, cool. There's one playing at 9, 10. So I was like, let's do it. So I texted Diamond.

I was like, hey, do you want to go to the movies with us? Because I can't. Just got done work, and I was beat. But I liked it, man. I really liked the first one. So I was stoked to see this one. And then my girl didn't see the first one. So I was like, is that cool?

She's like, yeah, I'll pick it up. I was like, all right, cool. but it's a lot of blood and more. It's the kind of a reason why I like Sisu so much. You know, once it starts, it starts. And it's just blood literally exploding and flying everywhere. Yeah, I enjoyed it. It was a cool movie.

It was super cool. Yeah, definitely some good special effects there. What do you think? I really enjoyed this one, but I didn't love it as much as I did the original one. And I think it was the, the, the relationship between Samarra Weevon and Catherine Newton. I like both

them, but I just, every time they had their moments when they were trying to reconnect their relationship, it just kind of took me out. That's because they're in the middle of some serious shit and they're like, hang on, let's stop everything and have a serious conversation. I did like...

Like, what are you doing? I did like the whole picking up right where the last movie left off. Yeah. and introducing the other families, which I thought they could have been a little bit more ruthless and a little bit more zany and wacky. Yeah.

I mean, that was a choice, though, right? Can I ask you a question? I haven't seen it because I was cleaning up with the floodshed on the North Shore, but you said it's kind of a takeoff from the next, from the last movie, but can you go watch it without seeing the first movie and still dig it, or you have to see the first two of you think? They give a quick little, flashback of what happened previously

and then it picks up right where the last one left off. Cool, cool, cool, that's great. And the second one kind of explains more about the organization, really. So you get more of the backstory, I feel like. Yeah. From the original one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you get a more sense of how big their reach is as far as throughout the world. And I got to lie, I love Elijah Wood in this. Yeah. The lawyer. Oh, Satan was saying,

at the end, I was like, is no one going to kill the fucking lawyer? But he just kind of slimped into the darkness at the end. And I was just like, really, Elijah would, after all this shit, he walks away clean. Right. Right. Slipers out, huh?

Lawyers should be killed first. Always. At the very least, right? Yeah. I'm just saying if I met you. Lance, what do you think? At the end, a bullet real quick would have been done, but whatever. Yeah, right.

All right. Oh, it's my, it's my go. Man, I was so fucking worried about this. I didn't say anything to you guys, but from the trailers on this, like, I enjoyed the first movie so much. I was like, what in the fuck are they doing? They're expanding this. It was a good, simple. self-contained story and a one family.

And now all of a sudden they're doing all this horse shit with all these fucking families. And like you could, you know, the trailer was pretty good, actually, because it showed a lot of scenes from the early part of the movie. They didn't really spoil, you know, a lot of the later stuff, which I definitely appreciated. That was a, it was a well-made trailer, but it hadn't be worried. And so I get to the theater. Robert, my wife came with me, you know, we made it a date afternoon, right? and I don't know man it started up

and it picks up exactly where the other one left off like Brian said and I thought that was super cool like I really dug that I'm like okay cool Halloween 2 style here right so I'm kind of enjoying it a little bit and then it kind of gets to where you start meeting the characters here and I'm slowly starting to fall in love with this movie I love Kevin Durand, not Durant, and everything that he's in, right?

Yeah. He's fucking awesome. I wish he had a bigger part in this one. Yeah, I do too. Spoiler alert. Yeah, but okay, and then you got the, I like the way that it's different families from kind of around the globe.

So, you know, it goes over to China, it goes to London. What was the other spot, guys? India? The brothers from India. Right. And then I think the other one was just Americans. Like the brother and sister,

there was this pompous corporate Americans, I believe. Yeah, yeah, makes sense. You want to talk about social issues being addressed? Like, this movie covers it low-key. Totally, right? I mean, there's a lot you could talk about or try to figure out what they meant. I was a little bit disappointed that they, I mean, they did pretty well with what they brought in as far as representation.

I was a little disappointed there weren't, you know, like a few other types of groups and cultures in there, but that's fucking nitpicking, right? I mean, so focus on the movie and what they gave us. I love the interests of the characters. Duran doing all the cocaine. I love seeing David Cronenberg. That was really cool. That was epic the way that they started it. So I think now at this point in the movie, I'm like, okay, we've got a pretty good damn idea.

Maybe these guys can pull it off. Maybe we are headed into something here. And so then once we start meeting the characters, I kind of had a different takeaway than Brian. I didn't want, at first I thought, yeah, it'd be great if they're ruthless and they're actually, you know, they're hard to kill and stuff like that. But like, Jesus Christ, what's his name, Nestor Carbonell? We met her at Texas Framier. He's such a cool, nice guy. The guy that looks like he has an eyeliner on.

That's the one. Coolest dude we've ever met. And he sat there and talked with us for like 15 minutes at Frightmare. So the guy's awesome. But like when he had that gun and the chamber fell out, and I'm like, okay, this is where going here, a lot of these guys aren't going to be like, you know, these trained killers like you see in a lot of the Kung Fu movies. Yeah, I like his kids.

The kids were watching. The kids were watching and he was missing all the shots and they were like, well, we told him to practice. He never practices. Yeah, this movie was just kind of a gorgeous little foray into entitlement. A gorgeous little foray into the consumer society that we've got. I enjoyed the family dynamic. You even kind of got a rom-com moment there at the end

where the two sisters were starting to get together, and then they had that fight, you got to have, right? And then they course everything. Well, we'll get it to spoilers. But yeah, I thought it was brilliantly made. I really enjoyed this fucking movie. And I was kind of thinking when we left the theater, radio silence is back,

because they kind of dropped a boner with that one screen movie, and everything they touches doesn't turn to goal, but they do a lot more good than bad. You were talking about the first movie of this. Abigail was a blast. I mean, these guys are on something. I enjoy this one a lot. This will probably be on my top 10 list,

believe it or not, at the end of the year. Wow. I'm going to see it tonight. Yeah, it might be. I would suggest watching the first one if you haven't seen. Yeah, if you haven't seen that one, it may not necessarily be needed. you can get the gist of it.

But the first one has sort of a different feel to it. And it's... So much fun. Yeah. It is... Yeah. The first one is so great. Because, okay, so in the first one, what it does is it...

You are sort of wondering if this is real the whole time. And then in the end, they give you a nice little surprise. And you're like, oh, holy shit. Didn't see that coming, right? But, well, it's... we'll get into spoilers, but they, uh, they sort of, they sort of use that as a gimmick in this movie from like they get go.

And so you already know what's going on. And it's just this, uh, ensemble cast, um, fun movie, you know, like there's, there's some plot holes. There's like little things here and there where,

you know, like, uh, this character's fighting on the ground with this person and like, there's a guy standing right next to him, but he doesn't like get involved until, after they're already done fighting it doesn't make any sense it's right there what happened

and they do that a couple of times the whole time was trying to just find a cigarette oh yeah the hospital in the beginning and then when she kills the first suit she rummishes to his pockets finds the cigarette pack

but they're all crushed and she's like ah and at the very end she finally finds a fucking cigarette and she walks off yeah yeah the whole thing just wants a cigarette someone give me her fucking cigarette. Life is simple.

Which is fair. After the couple of days, she's had. Because again, it goes right from the ending of the first movie to the hospital. She's looking for a cigarette and it goes right in and he'll get her again. And then they're like, do you have any question before we start this new game? She's like, can I have a fucking cigarette? And you're like, no. And then he lights one out right in front of her. Yeah. Oh, yeah. What an asshole. But while I don't think it was as effective as the first one,

it still was a ton of fun and I definitely enjoyed myself. It is not even in the same category as the first movie, but it's close. They did something different. Yeah, it was kind of interesting. And yeah, and I loved Frodo in this one. He was pretty awesome. I love that scene where they're like,

guy where the cousin was sitting here texting. Oh, they're on the on the golf course on the nine and he comes to sneak up to the side. He goes, are you sure you want to do that? Yeah. Are you sure? Are you sure you want to do that? I love great. Oh, no. Yeah.

That was awesome. That was a good shot. That guy. That guy was one of my favorite characters. And then the the, like, the squirly Indian dude with the beard. Yeah. Oh, that completely advocates his power to his wife. Who then, by the

way plot hole she takes off where the guy was saying if you take off you know what's going to happen. You can't leave. So he's like you can't leave. You have to play. So he flipped it to the wife and then the wife takes off. So what happened to the wife? Like I was saying my girlfriend, it would have been great

if she got a quick shot down the road. She's in the car going, yes, I got away and then cut to a shot of the camera outside and then the inside of the car just becoming like a red pig bucket inside. Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. That was what I expected. to happen. Fair point. Fair point.

I think they'd probably cut that out, but I was like, yeah, that was a big plotto because she got away Scott Clinge. What the hell? Yeah, doesn't make sense. They were like, this guy's funny. We got to leave him in the movie for a little longer. All right, scores from one to ten

before we get into spoilers. Robert, what do you think? I'm going to have to place a little higher than Turkey shoot. I'm going to go with like maybe a like maybe an eight. Yeah, I'll go with maybe an eight. Yeah. I'm a big fan of the blood and gore scenes.

They took a lot. I feel like, I don't know if you're fans are the boys, but the blood pops, and cool explosions they got in the boys where everybody's heads popped. They had that, but it was like the full body. That was awesome. I love the blood and gore every single time,

just a big splatter. We did that in Plankensign, too. I had fun doing those things in Plankensine, but it was a good, It was a fun film. I liked all the actors. Yeah, I'll give it an eight. I'll give it an eight.

That seems to be a thing that Radio Silence is a fan of, because they did it in the first one, and they did it in Abigail. Oh, yeah, that's right. They did. They like exploding people. That's their signature. I think somebody,

I think I read somewhere that this is all in the same universe. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, the tracks. Okay. Hopefully we get more. Yeah. Brian, what do you think? I'm at a seven and a half.

Like I said, I enjoyed it, but I didn't love it as much as the original one. I do like seeing horror icons like Sarah Michelle Geller and David Cronenberg and other people like Elijah Wood in there. It was fun seeing him in there. Kevin Durand, great cast. But just kind of the relationship aspect of the sisters kind of took me out of it sometimes. Yeah. Understood. I know, which sucks because I actually really like both of them.

Dude, Samara weaving was like, she was there to fucking work. She can scream, can't she? She can really scream. My girlfriend was telling me about that. The director didn't know how well that actress could scream. And then they did a scene in the first movie where it was at the table. And she just bled out this screaming. Like, that was amazing.

Yeah. And so she did it again for this sequel, just right at the camera. that like blood curling scream so sure yeah I know she's got some pipe uh some pipes man for sure dude she takes every scene as seriously as if she was winning an oscar and i hope that she does one day soon you never know that's the jamey leke her to work with best person to work with right there take it seriously all the way that's great sure Lance what you think um um oh wow it's my turn. Okay.

Yeah, so like I said, I fell in love with it. Love the story. I actually did enjoy the story of the sisters. I thought that was very original and something that we didn't get in the first one. And this is how they were able to make this a completely different movie. But then they also wrapped it around the storyline. They went directly from the first story to the second. I liked the set design.

I thought it was really neat considering some of the social issues it's talking about to fill it on a golf course. with a casino and a wedding venue and all this crass consumerism. And it's a lot. It was a lot. I enjoyed it. I really liked the score. I don't know if you guys paid attention to the music, but it was really built tension well,

and then it would lighten up at different scenes. So it was really well edited as far as the sound, I think, and I like the score. So the costumes, eh, you know, they were cute, right? like the little Satan costumes and stuff like that. But yeah, you know, it can't all be perfect. Strong 8 on 10. Love this movie.

Yeah, I think I'm right there too. I think the first one gets a 9. I think this one gets an 8. Nice. Yeah, I had a lot of fun with it. I think it was definitely a very solid, very solid March horror movie, man. And it's definitely going to end up in the top ten somewhere, I think.

All right. Spoiler talk. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

Here we have. Let loose. I'll jump in first. Outside of what Roger was talking about, the scene where the guy turns over power to his wife and she just leaves. Yeah. I think outside of that,

I think they pretty much stayed to the rules they set that they established. Like when Kevin Duran, he tries to kill Samar weaving in the hospital and it was told that you could not kill her before the games. And so since he tried, he immediately explodes. Yes.

That's right. But what about the guy with the martini? Was he not? Uh-huh. Did he not have to play or was he? Because they're, because they, at the beginning,

they asked him if he was going to participate and he was like, they're going to take him out in five minutes. I'm going to chill here and watch. Oh, the guy in the bathrobe? Yeah. He was the twins's cousin. Yeah.

Right. Okay. So as long as one of them was still, because they, since they were twins, they got to participate together. Oh, right. As long as they were alive,

as long as they were alive, he didn't have to play. See, Brian's explaining all the things we thought might have been plot holes. What's the deal with the chick getting away, Brian? Was that in universe? Okay. Yeah, I expected her to pop like a balloon.

Right. Would have been a lot more fun, but, you know, whatever. It was like an Aziz and Z-Zer. guy. That guy was so funny. Dude, the whole movie. Yeah, for sure. I like the fight scene in the wedding venue.

I guess would you call her the big boss, the one that was the first wife, or supposed to be the wife of the dude that married Samara weaving? What did you guys think about that? I had questions about that. She was saying that she's wearing her ring and her dress. Right, right. How did she get all that?

I don't know. But women are like that. You're dating my ex-boyfriend. How dare you? It's like, I don't even know who you are. It's great. Then she shoots her with a rocket launcher, but it goes backwards. These guys were just all over the place.

Diamond, you got to check this out, dude. I think you'll get a big kick out. I'm so disappointed, man. I'm so, I can't go that. I'm so disappointed I missed this. And as soon as she pulled out the pepper spray, I went, oh, no, don't do that. Oh, yes.

You don't want to get in a fight with somebody with pepper spray. It gets everywhere. It sucks a lot, I promise. Yeah, the girl literally, while getting pepper spray, takes the other girls, takes this pepper spray out of the other girls, and it starts pepper spraying the other girl, like, going back and forth.

There's a little comedy-type little pepper spray A lot of comedy, man. Oh, she didn't even need to get pepper sprayed. It would have already been there. You don't pepper spray somebody and then get in a hands-on fight with them. That's a bad idea. Right. Right. Philip, you sound like you're speaking from experience.

What's going on there? I am speaking for me. I used to work in a prison. Ding, ding, ding. Fun stuff. What do you guys think about the future in this franchise? Is there, I don't know how it did it at the box office. Brian,

tracks that. Do you guys think there's a future for more in this universe? They could. I don't know if I would be interested because originally Radio Silence wasn't going to return to do this one. They had a complete different director attached to it. And then slowly everybody started coming back, which gave me more hope for this movie. But the way it ended, I could see them just leaving it alone. Yeah, fair enough. I'd like to see more stuff in the universe, though,

especially if this shares with Abigail, because they could do everything, right? They could have, like, witches. They could have, like, another vampire character. They could have, fuck, they could have a werewolf. I mean, God have turkey shoot did it, you know? True, yeah. Well, I mean, we're still trying to work on a good werewolf movie.

I guess we'll see what the one this year does. Right. All right. Well, I think that wraps it up. Damn, Diamond, Robert, thank you so much for coming by. Thanks for having us. I really appreciate it. I might work on a werewolf surfers for you.

I'll see what I can do. There you go, and perfect. That is the solution. That's just a Greek dude out there. That's a Greek dude. When I saw the email, I really couldn't. believe my eyes at first. This is really a killer surfboard, but

yeah, the minute I read the description, we had to talk to you guys. So, thanks again. Again, where can everybody find the movie? Amazon Prime, Pandango, 2BTV, Vimeo TV, Zumo, and Bloodstream. Nice. All right.

And we can't thank you guys enough. You are just rock stars. Brian, you're an encyclopedia. I can't figure you out. But you're having to all everything. You know, everything there's about all this shit. But thank you guys so much for having us. It's been really fun, and you guys are...

Thank you. Just thank you. We appreciate it, man. All right. And we would like to thank all of you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. You can find us everywhere, but go to our website, www. www.thehorror returns.com. You can link to all of our socials from there. You can buy T-shirts.

You can do all kinds of cool stuff. Become a Patreon, patron, whatever floats your boat. whatever funds you're bored, I guess, at this case. So let's see, next week. Oh, damn, Brian. You hooked me up with two of my hall pass. Put it on the schedule just for you. Okay.

So we got, what is it called Evelyn, the one with Salma in it? Everly. Everly, 2014's Everly, and the brand new, They Will Kill You, starring Zazi Beats. Very. nice. All right. I hope this is good. I have high hopes this movie. I think it will be, man. I think it will be.

But we'll see. We'll find out together. So, uh, until the horror returns again, Philip. Good night.