The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #52: The Year In Horror 1968: Witchfinder General, Rosemary’s Baby & Night Of The Living Dead (Re-upload)

Episode Date: December 3, 2021

This week, we talk about Witchfinder General, Rosemary's Baby, and Night of the Living Dead. Also we get a very special interview from Director and showrunner Christian Torpe, courtesy of Lars from Denmark. Thanks for listening!

victims. For those of you delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify and go. Welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie. Then we go back and find a classic work with similar themes looking at both similarities and differences to explore

how our perceptions change from generation to generation, but fear kind of remains constant. We're doing things a little bit differently this week as we tend to do from time to time. And we're actually going to be going back to the year I was born, folks. So now you all know how freaking old I am. Oh, wow. Yeah, 1968. So we are covering the year in horror.

And we picked three films out that are kind of, that I think we would all agree. These are kind of standouts. What would you guys think? I would say so. Oh, yeah, definitely. Well, one of them, though, I've never even heard of, but we'll get into that. That's always a good thing, man. You know, get into something.

And you're talking about witch finder general, I assume. That would be the one. Yeah, and if you go on to IMDB, folks, and you want to look this stuff up, they've actually got it listed as the Conqueror Worm. I know, right? Weird name. That's fucking fucked up. What's that all about?

The Conqueror Worm? Brian. It doesn't sound at all like what it is. I don't know what it means, but I know when I was putting together the posters and stuff, I post when we released the episodes, that poster kept popping up. Right. And I thought it was a totally different movie until I, like, looked it up. So I'm not necessarily sure what that's all about.

Okay, well, kind of a trip, but obviously we're going to have spoilers. I think if you guys haven't seen these movies yet, you probably aren't going to. All right. Yeah, it's like, we're fucking 50, 60 years old now. There's going to be spoilers. You fucking asshole, dude. I told you that was the year I was born, man.

49. Damn it, I'm holding the line. 49, okay? My bad. All right, well, as I just said, you fucking asshole. Now I'll get into our warning. The other thing we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror pod.

podcast and horror movies tend to be R-rated, and you can expect us to be too. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Phillip. How's it going, guys? Going good. You do. Yeah, we're recording this on the Saturday of Memorial Day weekend. And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, that we have a proud veteran in the house. Am I correct in that assumption?

Oh, yeah, man. Morial Day weekend's fun for me. I'm mostly just doing some grilling and chilling, but, you know, it's Memorial Day, so we're trying to remember our fallen vets. And I want to give a shout out to a guy in the Houston area. His name is Gordon. He died in a hit-and-run accident the other day. So I hate to bring the show down a little bit, but I want to give a little shout out to him.

good, man. Back up to grilling and chilling and floating around in the pool all day. That's what I've been doing. What about you, Brian? Probably have a few family members over, and, you know, just the same thing. Grilling.

Nothing too big. All right. Well, what was your cool of the week, Brian? First of all, I made my first appearance over at the E-Society with Kevin and Ivisu. Really?

And yeah, it was a lot of fun. You know, we got to talk a little, some movies, you know, some TV shows, a little bit of wrestling, a little bit of sports. I kind of feel bad because I felt like me being on there made the episode go a little bit longer than I usually hear their episodes go. That happens. Yeah. And we got in some Alien Covenant talk. Yeah, what they think about it? I know what Kevin thought about it.

Yeah. Contrary to what it was said, I think he didn't completely hate it. It's just not what he wanted out of it. And he said after hearing our episode, he really wish he was on it. Okay. But it was a lot of fun on there. If anybody doesn't listen to them, you can find them at the Skater Nez podcast network. That's S-K-8-E-R-N-N-S podcast network.

And I think everybody should go check both his shows out. Cool. And my second cool of the week, last week I said, after our Wonder Woman posting in our Facebook group, I said I was going to try to watch as many of the movies suggested throughout the weeks. And I only got to one. And that was from one of our listeners. Okay.

of 92 suggestions you got to one. Okay. Yeah, and I told Kevin thanks for the 72 of them he suggested. Right. Yeah, maybe a bigger bite than... But I'm going to continue this throughout the week, so the one I did watch was Supergirl, starring Helen Slater. The movie show.

No, not the show. Yeah, I heard that was awful. The show makes a little bit more. sense in this movie. I don't know what her power set is in this movie. Right. But apparently she can change her clothes without actually putting clothes on. She uses her heat vision to bloom flowers and other kind of weird shit.

I don't even remember. I know I've seen this movie a long time ago, but it was it was kind of strange. Peter O'Toole was in this. and like I said, it was a strange movie, but I mean, I'm glad I revisit it. Right. And another movie, just because it wasn't suggested, but I watched The Legend of Billy Jean. Because when I was younger, I kind of had a thing for Helen Slater. And she was fucking hot in this movie.

Helen Slater or Helen Shaver? Who was it? I think it was Helen Slater. Okay. Now, is this the one that Kevin recommended, where she loved? look she kind of looks like an airline stewardess on the on the box cover no i don't think anybody suggested this one this is the one where um i guess her brother gets beat up and his scooter her brother's played by christmas later and um no yeah she goes she goes to the the the guy's father to demand he pay for the damages and basically he ends up trying to rape her and this is supergirl no this is oh supergirl um

No, Supergirl's a different movie. This is Legend of Billy Jean. Oh, Legend. Yeah. Yeah, I'm done with Supergirl. Supergirl. Real quick. Supergirl, if you guys can stand, which I rewatch the original Superman, they don't hold up for me.

If you can tolerate those movies, then I guess you could tolerate Supergirl. But I recommend Legend of Billy Jean. It was a fun little movie. Man. But I think as far as Supergirl, that came from listener, I'm a, leave his name as Darren Wilson if I got his name right. Excellent.

Cool. That's one down and I don't know how many else to go. 91. 90-some. We're keeping count. Well, man, my cool of the week, I actually took a piece of advice from Lance. I watched Eyes of My Mother on Netflix. Super fucking weird, but I really liked it.

I think it was an awesome movie, man. Very, very artsy horror movie. You're gonna look at the screen when it's over and be like, what the fuck did I just watch? But you're not gonna be able to put it down. It's one that you can't stop watching. My wife, who falls asleep during every movie she's ever watched in her entire life.

Right. Was trying to go to sleep before this came on, caught it out of the corner of her eye, and stayed up the whole time watching it. It's super weird. It's like a train wreck. You can't really turn her way. Oh, no.

Great. I don't know the actress's name, but it was a great performance by her. Yeah, definitely. I thought the acting was great. It's super artsy, so you got to get ready for kind of an indie sort of film, and it's fucking weird. But I really liked it. Yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed it, man. Brian, you saw it.

Did you give it a pretty high rating? in your estimation or what? Yeah, this is a definite recommendation. Right. Yeah, definitely check it out. Like Phillips said, the acting was great in it, and it's a story that's just going to just keep you, keep your eyes on the screen until the end.

Yeah. And I'm pretty sure a lot of people... You're not going to be able to stop watching it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure a lot of people after it was done was just kind of like, what the fuck did I just watch? Yeah, Steve... But in a good way. Stephen Loblad literally said that to us.

I think he sent us an email. What the fuck do you guys get me into here? It's different, man. But it was fun. I think, yeah, that's three recommendations from us. So I think people should check it out if they haven't. Cool. Absolutely.

Yeah, well, look, Mike, and I had a busy week, guys. I've seen a lot of stuff, a lot of movies. I've finally gotten around to starting a lot of new shows. The wife was in Utah for a week from Wednesday through Wednesday. So the TV was mine. And I've got one. It was no contest, guys. Absolutely no contest.

My Cool of the Week absolutely has to be the TV show that I'm probably most excited about since the leftovers. And it's called American Gods. Have you guys seen this yet? Great show. I haven't watched it. It's fucking amazing, dude. I read the book. And it is so incredibly faithful to the book.

to a fault because it covers everything that's covered in the book plus it adds a whole lot of additional backstory that's not included in the novel and the way I think they're like up to I'm halfway through it I've seen like the first four episodes out of eight I think they're supposed to do eight per season and I think there I think there are two and a half chapters into the book which has about 20 chapters so there's a lot of room for more stuff here I think they're doing it right Yeah, the visuals are awesome in this movie, or a TV show, I'm sorry. Yeah, the visuals are amazing.

Ian McShane, I mean, what can you say about this dude? I mean, to say that he steals the show is an absolute understatement. But what about Pablo Schreiber? What do you think about him, the guy that plays Mad Sweeney? Oh, I like him. He's crazy. He is crazy. You got to see this show, man.

I definitely need to check it out, man. I've heard nothing but good things. Brian, you were... The only one I'm not big on is the main guy. He's a little... It takes a little time to grow on you. Yeah, which I don't know. I kind of thought about it.

Maybe I'm not big on his acting is because he's acting around like Ian McShane and, you know, other people... Right. There's a big name to use in that one. Yeah. And Philip, there is a scene in here with Jillian Anderson playing Lucille Ball that after that scene, I was completely all in on this show. You're not talking about where he went into the Costco to get the shopping for him.

Dude, that is the most surreal scene in a television show that I've seen in many a year, guys. And yet it was so believable. When you say, Brian, like, it was happening and it was like, how the fuck? can this be happening and yet it all made perfect sense? Yeah. Because you know she's media, right? Like big media? The new, do you guys, you guys understand the basic plot line, Philip?

Or have you? No, I have no idea. Brian, wouldn't you say it's basically the old gods that are getting ready to battle the new gods? Yeah, because the newer gods would be like the god of technology and the god of television, you know, stuff like that. Oh. The god of drugs. or Big Pharma. The things that we've started putting our faith into now,

because we no longer put our faith into things like Odin and Jesus and things like that, I mean, it's just an amazing show, and I'm just, I've blown away by it. I had always heard, and I really hadn't looked into it that much, but the showrunner, Brian Fuller, I know him a little bit through some of the Star Trek shows that he worked on, but I had always heard he had done a lot of stuff outside Star Trek, He did a series called Dead Like Me. Oh, I love that show. I was going to say, I know that name, Brian Fuller.

Yeah, he's the Wunderkin. He was supposed to be the showrunner for the new Star Trek, and he backed out for this, and I was really pissed off. But now I'm kind of like, it's okay. Oh, Hannibal, Philip, that's what you know. What you know of them, dude? Hannibal, you love that show. Hannibal, okay.

Yeah, I love Hannibal, too. Man, both of those are super quirky, and I love them. Yeah. Yeah, I'll definitely. definitely check this one out. Yeah, it's only eight-episode season, and it's already got renewed for a second season. Okay.

Well, that's a no-brainer. But he is doing some writing I see on Star Trek Discovery, so I'm happy about that. Anyway, that's my cool of the week. Sound like we all have some good stuff going on. So, Brian, what time is it now? First thing I want to start off with, I really want to get your opinion on this, Lance.

they are making Hannah into a TV show. Well, you know how I feel about the movie. I believe... I think the TV show are fucked up. I know it's not going to be a network TV show as far as what I read. I think Amazon ordered it. Really?

And David Farr, who was a writer, I believe he co-wrote the first, the movie. Correct. Yep. I think he's involved in this. Yeah, so... David Farr, and Seth Lachhead. Yeah, so

as far as I can see, that's only in the beginning, I think Amazon picked it up, and David Farr is involved with it, so I enjoyed the movie, so I'll definitely check out like the first couple episodes whenever it comes out.

We'll see how they do. It's going to be tough to match the movie. I forgot my Blu-ray picks upcoming, June 6. Tales from the Crip Complete Series coming to DVD. All right. For some reason, not Blu-ray. I guess people have to wait on that.

And the Warlock Collection is coming July 11th. Kevin will be the first in line. You know what? I really, I liked the second one. I really liked the second one. I don't know it's because they had the same actor as the first one. Right. But it completely went off.

the rails the third one. Okay. I didn't get past the first one, but it's all good. You didn't like the first warlock? I liked it. I liked it okay. I didn't think it was like... Oh, you mean you didn't get to the sequels?

Yeah, to be honest with you, I'd heard some kind of bad things about them, so... The second one is decent. I'd stay clear of the third one. okay um probably should have let off with this some sad news um regarding zach Snyder and his wife um he is uh pulled out of finishing post production for justice league due to a death in his family his um his daughter had committed suicide oh that sucks and um this happened back in march and they kind of kept it to themselves kept it out of

the media and wow he was basically trying the old you know let me let me go back to work. Maybe that'll take my mind off things, but I guess it's really affected his family and his children. So he is pulled out from any duties finishing up the movie. And condolences go out to the family. You know, that's something personally I couldn't imagine happening to, you know, any of my children. Yeah, definitely a difficult thing to deal with.

And I'm sure, you know, you think burying yourself and work will fix it. it doesn't just sits there and um apparently josh weeden is stepped into finish duties on the film which everybody i kind of feel like there was a little bit of the comments i seen on this were not exactly i didn't like them because uh apparently everybody will now now zack's out of the way this movie's not going to suck now and i was like that's you know the man just is going through some stuff right given the circumstances that and just and just kind of a shitty comment. Yeah, and just to explain things,

the movie's done filming. Right. So Josh Whedon's just handling post-production and any filming of any extra because they are doing a couple reshoots and he's not going to film his own movie because it's not going to match up with what Zach Snyder did. It's going to be, if it wasn't a mess before,

it would be a complete mess after that. Oh, yeah. So condolences go out to their family. Yeah, that's sad news, man. This kind of happened rather quickly. Resident Evil is getting, the series is getting rebooted already. Yeah, that was fast. Yeah, I heard something about this.

Yeah, it's going to be produced by James Wan. I heard this story from our friends over there at Horror News Radio. They were talking about it last week. There were some guy at Comic Palooza that said something. something about the new resident. Oh, that's right. And I thought he was talking about the old one, because he was obviously not a big horror movie fan, and I thought he was just confused. Maybe he was talking about the reboot, and he just had some information we didn't. I don't know. Man, he scooped us on that one, man. Probably not.

I'll probably hold my judgment on this until I actually see something. Well, yeah, you kind of have to. Yeah. You guys, ever played the game Uncharted? No, my grandson has. That's the one where it's kind of like an Indiana Jones type character. Yeah.

They've been trying Yeah, they've been trying to get a movie made out of this series for a while, and originally they I believe Mark Wahlberg was supposed to be the main character. But they have officially casted Tom Holland, which he plays Spider-Man in the Spider-Man movie.

Yeah, that's terrible casting, man. Well, apparently they're going with the story that happens before the games, so I think what they're trying to do is they're banking on Spider-Man being a huge hit. I think it will be. And it's going to be directed by Sean Levy. I'm sure it will be. Sean Levy is, he's directed Real Steel and some episodes of Stranger Things. Oh, yuck. Well, Stranger Things is good, but real steel was a real piece of shit.

Yeah. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. Okay, don't bother. And, okay, the biggest news of the week was everybody, we've talked about the classic movie monster universe that they're trying to build. Well, they officially named it the dark universe. And they confirmed some news. The mummy is officially the first movie in this universe.

And the next movie is going to come out February 14, 2019, and it will be the bride of Frankenstein. Valentine's Day. And it will be directed by Bill Condon, which he just recently did the Beauty and the Beast movie. Well, that's a different... Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Like jump in a different direction there.

Yeah. And as far as casting, John. Johnny Depp is confirmed to be the invisible man, and Javier Bardem is confirmed to be Frankenstein's monster. In the bride of Frankenstein, they're going to have the invisible man. I don't know if he'll be in the movie. I have to rewatch the trailer. Apparently, there's a creature from the Black Lagoon Easter egg in the mummy trailer. Oh.

So, you know, I'm not mad at none of these castings. Yeah, Javier Bardem, I mean, is just like the designated bad guy right now. He's kind of awesome and everything he does. Good point. I kind of see with, I kind of see with makeup how he would look like Frankenstein. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, that might be a good, good pick. I mean, I don't want to poo-poo these movies until we give him a chance, you know?

Yeah, I mean, I really am pushing for the mummy to be good because to me it's the mummy. If you took the mummy and the Mission Impossible movies and just threw them together, Mm-hmm. I'm, you know, to me, it sounds like it's going to be a fun movie, and I really want this universe to work. I know some people are, like, kind of down on it because they're saying they're bringing in too much action, and I'm fine with it. Well, how are you supposed to know before the damn movie comes out? You know, the trailer looks pretty good. Let's, let's wait and see what they got.

Yeah, I mean, they can go the way. They can go the way of the Marvel movies because you had, you know, Captain America. The Winter Soldier was, like, a spy movie. Right. Yeah. Ant Man was a, was a heist movie. And, you know, you can have, you know, all these different movies that are in, you know, the same kind of universe. And it marbles proven it's worked. Mm-hmm.

So, and that's all the news we have. Okay. Well, then, as with every show, it's time to take a little trip down to the trailer part. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? Okay, we're going to talk about the recently released new trailer of, of the MIST TV show coming to Spike. What was that? Somebody did not like this trailer.

Hang tight. Pause for a second. Okay. Guerrilla radio here, folks. Oh, man, yeah. Speaking of the Mists, while he's taking care of the dog there. Sorry.

We will. That's cool, man, because that's a good segue. Speaking of the Mist, guys, after we cover the trailer park here, we are going to be playing an interview with Christian Torp. And Christian Torp is actually the showrunner and head writer for the Mist. It's basically created the television shows. So you guys are in for a treat here. As soon as we're done with Trailer Park,

you guys are going to hear the 30-minute interview, and then on to the list or feedback in the movies. So, yeah, go ahead, guys. And thank you so much

to Lars. Declison, is that his last name? Actually, he asked that we call him Lars from Denmark. He says, since you guys have

so much fucking trouble pronouncing my name, why don't you just call me Lars from Denmark? Well, shout out, I'm just trying to grab it off

my head. I'm pretty sure that's his last name, but anyway, Lars from Denmark, thank you, so much for setting that whole thing up for us, man, that was awesome.

Yeah, Lars is an awesome guy. You know, he contributes a lot to, you know, comments to the Facebook group and to the page, and he's an awesome guy. I appreciate it, Lars. Yeah, always very involved. Okay, back to the trailer of

the Miss TV show. The first trailer we got, you know, wasn't really a whole lot. It was just kind of basically what you would expect coming from, you know, a TV show based off the movie. but the second one I felt you really got to see a little bit of

what's happening to the people, you know, the dread, the terror happening. Looks very... Stephen Kingish. Yeah, I can't forget, I can't remember the actress's name. She's basically playing the religious leader that was in the movie. And I know she's been on a bunch of...

Mrs. Carmody is the character thing, right? Yeah, she's been on a whole bunch of seasons of American Horror Story. Let me see if I can... Oh, okay. The only one I really know is Alyssa Sutherland. And that's because she was in the TV show Vikings. And she's quite gorgeous.

But I'm not quite sure of the other players too much. It looks... I mean, it looks pretty awesome to me. I have my reservations because it's coming out on Spike. Right. Which, you know, concerns me a little. little bit because it's not like one of the one of the big uh networks or anything but it looks really good a lot of gore in this second trailer yeah so um i'm it kind of it it assures me there

that you know i kind of thought maybe they might hold back a little bit on this show but this the second trailer really kind of proved me wrong that they're not because there was uh some gory gory effects in this show. And I'm definitely, I mean, I was going to check it out before, but I am fully on board now. And I really hope that, you know, we get more out of it. I don't want to see a show that's just going to take place mainly in one area. Well, guess what? Guess what?

We got some inside scoop, my friends. So when we're done talking about it and we play this interview, you're going to understand what I'm talking about. It ain't taking place in one spot. Yeah, definitely. That definitely makes me feel better. They've got it set up so that, yeah, you can see a bunch of different little storylines. They're making it to last. Yeah, Christian was telling us that they have a script Bible set out for three seasons already.

Oh, nice. So everybody definitely, I believe it comes out June 22nd. June 22nd on Spike TV, yes, sir. So everybody tune in and definitely listen to this interview. And moving on to our next, it's not really a trailer. They released a seven-minute clip of this movie. And it is fucking bananas. It is all-out craziness.

It is Wormwood Chronicles of the Dead. Okay. There's already a movie called Wormwood, isn't there? Yes, this is the sequel. What? Yes. Are you serious? Dude.

And I love the first movie. Okay. Hold on. Brian, tell me if you remember this or not. About two years ago, you and I first started talking on Facebook. Were we not both talking about this movie at the same time through Messenger? Yeah. I believe this might have been how we met was through this movie.

I actually believe it was, man. So I can't wait for it, dude. For nostalgia alone. It is a just crazy Mad Max. looking zombie flick in Australia. The first one was fucking crazy. All kinds of gasoline did not work,

but yet cars were fueled by the zombies themselves. And it was just all-out craziness. And this little seven-minute clip, if anybody hasn't checked it out, I'm going to post it to our Facebook page and the group page. It's just wall-to-wall craziness.

I'm definitely looking forward to this. No release date has been set yet, so I keep everybody informed. I actually missed this, so I'm really looking forward to checking it out. Yeah, it is just, I don't know. I mean, I can say, like, this is the type of shit my wife probably won't even watch because it's just crazy. It just makes it that much more awesome. Yeah, and I just found out after the first movie, there was a TV show. so I don't know if it was released in Australia or not

or we're available to get it, but I think it continued on from the movie. So, and the first movie is on Netflix, so I do recommend everybody check it out. Yes, we're to watch, for sure. And that's pretty much it. It hasn't been a big week for trailers. Okay, cool.

And that's a good thing, because we now play our interview with, The Mists Show runner, Christian Torp. Okay, we now feature our interview with Christian Torp. Creator, did I pronounce that correctly, Christian? You did, absolutely. Okay. Creator for the upcoming television series The Mist.

Christian has won several awards in his native Denmark, including a Bodil Award for Best Screenplay in 2015 for the film Silent Heart. Christian, thanks for joining us, my friend. my pleasure so first question a very simple one how did you become involved in this project and what drew you to become involved in the mist

the long story or the short one oh the long story always I had been writing back in Denmark for a couple of years and actually mostly been doing comedy I did a show here called Rita that had been going for a couple of seasons which landed me my agent in Los Angeles

and I went over there and I did some meetings and sold a pilot to Showtime that then by chance ended up on Bob Weinstein's table and he read it and really liked it and called me in for meeting and asked me if I had any interest in Stephen King and

I think of course I do who doesn't have an interest in Stephen King he's pretty much everything I read from I was 12 to 20 he taught me how to write I grew up with him

and I you know I asked what project it was and he said it was the missed Weinstein did the Darabund movie back in in 2006 and they still have the underlying rights so I said I'd go back and read the novella I hadn't read it in many years

but I reread it and I thought it was just such an incredibly timely metaphor for what people do when they are blinded by here and I two things was clear one was how relevant and it was today but the other was that there's not as such a

show in the novella. It takes place pretty much over two days in a supermarket. I would need to make a lot of upchanges in order to turn that into an ongoing series. So I had a very honest conversation with Bob about that, about what we sort of would need to do and how I could approach it in order to turn it into a show. And I told him that I'm not a horror writer. I love horror, but I have never written it. And if he was looking for genre perfection, then he was looking at the wrong guy. But I was happy to give it a shot,

provided that he would sort of, everyone involved, and that was Weinstein and King, and the network were on board with, that it would sort of be a weird bastard mix of cyclot. drama and horror, which is sort of what I thought I could provide. And then they all said yes, and we took it from there. Yeah, coming from a novella to a television series, I'm sure that you're going to be getting a lot of creative freedom to do things.

Because, I mean, you can only follow the story for maybe the first few episodes, I would think. Yeah, I mean, the story in the novella is pretty much, you know, two days. and they're in the supermarket pretty much all the time. So I, instead of taking that and stretching that out over the first two days, I kind of decided to, it certainly took a lot of things from it because I wanted to stay true to the heart of King's novella, but I also knew that we needed to expand on it a lot.

We took the idea of a supermarket and sort of expanded it into, into a mall just to get a lot more people in there. Okay. All right. And create a bigger mini-society. And then we also established a couple of other pressure cookers around town, different little islands of people that were trapped in different circumstances. And then the fun part for me was to sort of play around with the idea of how differently, people would react to the mist and to what was going on,

depending on who they were trapped with. Some people would seek a rational explanation, some would seek a religious explanation, some would seek an explanation based in who they were trapped with, whether or not they loved them or hated them, or if they were caught with, you know, the friends, friends of foes,

they would sort of, you know, the psychology of the arena they were in, would in a strange way changed how they, what they thought was going on outside, which I just thought was just an interesting metaphor for how people in today's world react to whatever fear they are confronted with. Did you actually get to meet with Mr. King at any point during the project? I know we email back and forth. He lives as I'm sure you know up in Bangor. So we've just been emailing him each other.

I sent him at some point pretty early in the process a very long email about what I wanted to change in order to turn it into an ongoing series. and waiting for that answer is probably the scariest thing I have tried in my life but I got an answer from him and it was just about as kind and as generous as it could be he was very very friendly and just said that as long as I didn't do anything ordinary then he was on board then he was on board with any change that I made. And he completely understood why we needed to change in order to turn it into an ongoing shows.

And he was just incredibly generous and supportive. Nice. Yeah, I've always heard he's a really nice guy. Are you a big fan of the novel, or the novella? I know that you said you had to reread him. So it seems like maybe you're a fan. I am, but I'm a fan pretty much everything. He has written

growing up it was kind of my Bible. There was just something so magical for me in the mix of horror and coming up a story which he does so well.

It was the book I lived by and swore to for many many years and I've written I read pretty much everything he has written and loved and cherished every page of it. So it was a big deal for me to get this blessing.

What did you think about the film that came out? And are there any kind of changes that you're free to talk with us about? And what kind of differences are, is the TV show going to have that's different than the movie? I love the film. I thought it was a very, very strong film. It's in many ways a horror. classic and I kind of I love Darabond's ending also. It was as, as bleak as it possibly could be. I know there's an ongoing discussion which ending is the best one. To me, I'm just so happy

to live in a world where we get both endings. I mean, one ending doesn't stop the other ending from exists. There's still the king ending. If you want that, then you can reread the novella. I thought Darabon's ending was a very inspired take. There's certainly elements that from the movie that and the novella that's survived and that we expand on in our story, fans of the novella and the movie will know that there's a project arrowhead that they briefly touched upon. That's something that we expand on in our storyline.

fans of the novel will also remember there something called the Black Spring which is sort of something we dive a little further into and then

hopefully the the heart of this story is something that we carry along but we did change pretty much

everything else it's a new story it's new characters we wanted to sort of start with a clean slate, but yet at the same time bring

they have a weird familiarity with the characters and the storyline in the novella. And I previously sort of compared it to the approach that they did when they adapted Fargo into a TV series, how the characters there

are new, but they are still strangely related to the original characters. And there's a constant and sort of ep and flow communication between Fargo the TV show and Fargo the movie, where it sort of touches upon the source material once in a while, and then diverts from it again, and then back in contact with it. And we sort of decided to take the same approach with this show. Oh, that's a great comparison.

Yeah, you've worked in both television as well as film. What are some of the biggest differences in working in the two different mediums? it's an entirely different world obviously a story is a story but there's a major difference if you get to tell a story that you can close after two hours or if you tell a story that you constantly

have to almost close and then in the last minute we open for the next episode it's just a very different way of a breaking story and thinking the relationship with the direct is also very, very different.

On a TV show, the writer is the boss. On a movie, it's the director. And you're lucky if you get invited to the premiere. In television, it's all the way around. So it's two very different mediums from a writing perspective. But I do enjoy both. And they give me, I don't know, they give me different pleasures. It's just two very different ways of working.

Yeah. I have a question for you about the film for which you won the award, the major award, Silent Heart. Of course this is not a horror movie, but I'm sure there are some horrific elements. I think it has to do with choices of youth and Asian, things of that nature. I mean, can you tell our listeners anything about this film? And do you know in the States how we can find it? If not, we'll find out and put it out there. but we are interested to know more about this.

It's in many ways as far away from a horror movie as it could be, and yet it deals with everything that a horror movie does, which is fear and acceptance of death. And I don't know. It's a story about a family that meets up one last weekend after they decided to help the mom who is terminally ill with assisted suicide. And then it basically just follows that family over that weekend where they all know that the mom is going to die on Sunday.

So it's sort of playing, playing the dance macabra, the dance with death of how much do you try to forget, forget that death is coming on Sunday or how much do you go into it and accept it. Do you run away from death? Do you walk into it knowingly and openly? That's sort of the themes of the movie. I'm actually not sure where it's available in the U.S. Maybe on Netflix? I don't know. I can't answer that. We can find that out pretty easily. I'm sure it's on iTunes and other media as well. We'll put that out there. Would you say that that winning of the Bodle Award was your, was that your greatest professional achievement so far?

Is that the one that really stands out for you? I don't know. I think my biggest achievement was overcoming the fear that I had updoing this show, The Mist. Ah, okay. That was, you know, terrifying. And in many, many ways I wanted to say no when it was, picked up. I was so fucking scared of just messing it up or, you know, disappointing the fans or

disappointing Mr. King or just not being able to do it. But I also knew that I wouldn't forgive myself if I passed on it. So I stayed on and I did the show. I finished the season. And doing that, you know, sort of allowing myself the possibility of failure. I think that's my greatest professional achievement so far. Nice. Got to risk it for the biscuit. That's what they say. But yes. Well, what's it like filming in Canada versus filming in Europe? Are there any major changes, good or bad?

There's some differences. Definitely longer days. In Europe and in Denmark in particular, you do eight-hour days on set. In Northern America, that's both Canada and the States. you do usually 12 hours, sometimes longer, which I actually prefer, because then you sort of get to dive in. In Denmark, you barely get to dive into the material before someone yells lunch, and you all break, and you sit in a coffee for an hour, and then you go back, and then someone yells,

end of day, and you just say, yeah, we just got started. So I like the rhythm of an American day where you really get to get into the material. and get some stuff done. It's definitely also a more authoritarian set in the States. It's more of a, you know, the showrunner is coming, look busy kind of atmosphere. It's, at Denmark is probably a little bit more relaxed, a little bit more casual. I got you. I imagine you're quite busy with your work.

Do you still find time to write in other works that are not adapted for the screen? Like, do you writing any short stories or novels or any nonfiction stuff? I do. And I write feature movies on the sites, which is sort of a nice way of doing something different. And for my features, I like to write them on spec before they are sold or before they're commissioned by a studio. just sort of to get the opposite of the TV process, which is so note intensive and everyone has an opinion. So I like to just sit down and write a feature script

with no notes and no interference. But I also just write little, I don't know, little stories or notes to myself, both fiction and nonfiction. I like writing without the pressure of it, having to be ready for production, just for the pure joy of writing. And it's often where I get my best ideas, just doing something that is not intended for anyone to see.

Nice. I'm very interested in the process of putting the show together, Christian. So a few questions I have for you sort of revolve around, I guess, as we say here, which came first, the chicken or the egg? if you've heard that saying before. For example, for example, casting, okay? How involved were you in the casting process? I'm heavily involved in the casting process.

The show run of traditionally overseas casting work with the casting director. In this case, it was Alexa Vogel, who is just one of the best of the best. She cast the wire, Tremay, just real. she really top of the crop. Together with her and the pilot director, we narrow it down to maybe five people per role and then present those names to network and studio. For some of the characters,

I would have an idea of who I wanted to play, to play the part. I had a Danish actress called Danika Jurchik that I really really wanted on board I worked with her before and I knew she was terrific and I knew I wanted her to read for the role of Mia and other you have an idea that this would be a great person for a role

like we have Francis Conroy on board who is just wonderful but she's sort of in a league where you don't ask her to read, but you approach her with, you know, a script and say, are you interested in, in this character? And then in some cases, you have no idea what kind of flavor you are looking for. And then you keep an open mind and you look at the people who come in and read and someone blows you away. And you go, oh, there's my, there's my Kevin or there's my Adrian or, yeah. By any chance when you're going through this process, do you sometimes maybe change things up a little bit on what you have mapped out for the show?

Do you possibly make changes on the fly to how certain characters are going to be or even add new characters based on who you've decided to bring on board? I've done it on my Danish show where you have a little bit more time in pre-production, where I'm. I had a character that was originally written as sort of a nerdy gay man that ended up being a quite the opposite female character, just because I saw an actress that I loved so much that I decided to change everything. The schedule is a little tighter in the US, so it's not possible to make such a radical change. but what I will sometimes do and what we also did here is that if you see an actor that you really, really love, but it's not right for the part, then you give him or her a smaller part maybe in episode two. And then you just decide to keep that character along and slowly the character finds its own life and becomes a part. a part of a show way that wasn't intended. And we definitely had a couple of characters that just grew because I fell in

up with the actors after seeing the pilot characters that were supposed to, you know, die at the end of season one. But I decided to keep along because I loved what they did so much. So in that way, you can certainly, you know, allow yourself. to keep an open mind and be inspired as the, as production starts and you, you see what works and what does. That makes a lot of sense. Okay, so you get through the part where you've, you've got, I guess, an outline for how you want

it to go. You've got the pilot, I would assume, written. You've got everything completed as far as who you're going to have, cast it, et cetera. Where does the process go from there? When you get kind of down and dirty and start getting into the filming, is there a lot of rewriting that's done on the fly or is everything pretty well scripted out? The pilots that we went out and so before we even go out and pitch it, I developed this project internally with the Weinstein company. And before we even take it out to a network, it was, you know, very far long. I had written a full pilot

that was very close to the pilot as it ended up being. I had done what we call a serious Bible, which is a a Bible of the show, sort of a breakdown of all episodes in season one, so that the network knows where the show is going. Sort of a, you know, a one page per episode in season one so they know where the story goes from here. some rougher ideas for season two and three.

And based on that, we go out and sell the show. And what usually happens is then you sell a pilot and go out and shoot the pilot. And then hopefully later on you get a series pickup. In this case, we got a full series pickup, which is pretty rare. And it has its upside and its downside. The upside, obviously, being that you have a show on the air. You don't know, no, it doesn't matter how the pilot goes, you actually get a full season. The downside being that you don't have the break after the pilot that you usually do to sort of sit back and evaluate and go over it and sort of,

ah, should we make some changes here. Is it working the way we intended? Because once you push that full season button, once you start production, The train comes towards you. And I don't think you, if you haven't tried it, you can't imagine what that train coming towards you is like. It's a big and unstoppable and there's nothing to do than just work 24 hours a day. It's pretty intense. Now, on IMDB, you've actually got a director's credit for one of the episodes of The Mist.

Was that the pilot? Someone told me that. That is a mistake. I have not directed any of the episode. I'm having to take 30 for other people's work. But I probably shouldn't. Adam Bernstein directed the pilot and did a wonderful job. And we had episodic directors for everything.

As the showrunner, I'm on set overseeing the directing and constantly discussing with the director if the material we are getting is doing what it's supposed. too, but I haven't directed any of the episodes. Okay. Who are your favorite writers and directors, and what films or shows have heavily influenced you as an artist? Writers, but Stephen King, obviously, I really can't underestimate the influence he

has had on me. I was obsessed with his books as a teenager, all of them, but in, particular it. Dan Simmons wrote a book about the same time called Summer of Nights that sort of had the same effect on me. It was that mix of horror and coming of age. That got to me in more recent years, Jonathan Framson, Jonathan Coe, Edward St. Aubin, a British writer, Red Eastern Ellis, Oscar Wilde. They're all people who have a healthy dose of content. towards society, which I don't know, it tends to sharpen their pen. I never grow tired of reading David Sedaris.

That's an entirely different genre. Oh, that's completely different. Right now I'm reading it's as different as it could possibly be, but it's just, it's pure joy for me to read him. It's just, yeah, it's heaven. Right now I'm reading a book called The Knicks by Nathan Hill, which is pretty, pretty, pretty great. So yeah, I don't know. I like contemporary fiction.

I'm not an intellectual reader. I tend to go for a good story with great characters. That's where it starts to be. I think in TV, if we're talking TV, again, I stand it out as a comedy writer, and comedy is still scringing my favorite thing to watch. There's nothing. I admire more than a perfect sitcom episode.

Like Frasier, or late 70 years, early 80s sitcom, like taxi or the Norman Lear sitcoms, the comedies that sort of dare to mix pain and laughter. I've always loved those, and I still do. Today, that would be shows like at Bojack Horseman or 30 Rock. Yeah, there's something something. something that struck me recently of while doing this show is how closely related horror and comedy are

they both go deep into your soul in a ways that you can't explain. I can't explain why something makes me laugh, laugh, or why something gives me nightmares. It just does. And so in a strange way because they trigger such primal impulses, they defy logic in a weird way. And I like that about both.

them, both of them, for more sort of... That makes absolutely sense. Those are my two favorite genres. I completely agree with you. Yeah. It's just, it pushes some buttons you're not aware of, and that just makes it interesting to me. Yeah. What got you into the profession, and do you have any advice for listeners who would like to be screenwriters?

Like, how did you start writing? Was it just reading a lot of books? books? What got me into? I always knew I wanted to be a writer. It was more a question of whether or not I wanted to write novels or screenplays. And like most

writers, I am by nature and an introvert. I like being alone. Sorry. Hang on a second. I don't know. To turn off my phone. I don't know. Like most writers, I'm sort of an introvert, so it was more a question of how much do you want to be alone,

because if you write novels, then you are completely alone. At least as a screenwriter, you get to work with other writers in a writer's room. You get to work with the director, producers. And to me, that was a good mix, so that's why I ended up diving into that. in terms of advice, there's really only one piece of meaningful advice that is, you know, write and write some more and write again. And then rewrite and don't hold on to your precious writing. Share it with people you respect and listen to their notes instead of thinking you know best because no one knows best. We all need notes.

We all get lost in our writing. So, you know, take advice from people you admire. continue to write. Like, it takes 10 years of hard work to learn to master a craft. It doesn't matter if that craft is playing tennis or playing the piano or telling a story. It's a good, you know, 10,000 hours to learn to master it. So the sooner you get started and the more you write, the better you'll be. That's sort of some set up, I think.

It's hard work, but it's also a lot of fun. Nice. Are there any special organizations or charities that you're particularly passionate about? Huh. I've never been asked that question before. Well, good. We're doing our job. Yeah.

There's nothing. I resent more than people trying to take away other people's freedom. Whether that is to limit their freedom of speech or their right to get married or to live their life. as loud or silent or perverted or normal or risky or safe as they want to. And there's a lot of those people at the moment, both

on extreme right and extreme left that want to tell us how to live our lives. And allowing people to define their own life, that's something I'm very, very passionate and vocal about. Absolutely. Well, that makes a lot of sense.

We appreciate you taking the time with us, Christian. A couple A couple of final questions if you have time. I know you're very busy with the project right now. First of all, for all of our listeners who want to follow you personally and the other works that you've done before, where can we find you on social media? Oh, my, I'm so not a social media person. I don't even have a Twitter account. Should I have a Twitter account?

You're too busy. I don't know. I've only got one because I was trying to win some concert tickets. That's a good reason. I used to have one, but I was just like Twitter, it turned out to be. It seemed to me just be like the five angriest percent of the population, and I just didn't want that in my life, so I deleted it. I'm still on Facebook, and people are very welcome to follow me there. It's a little bit more random and just personal stuff from my life, and I'm also on Instagram.

I don't know, for some reason, those two mediums. seemed less angry than Twitter. Yes. And people are very welcome to follow me there. Well, listen, we're here mainly to talk about The Mist. So tell us everything about The Mist. Where can we see it? When does it begin?

How many episodes are in the first season? What's the rundown? We have done 10 episodes so far, and we premiere on Spike, June 22nd, at 10 p.m. and we'll air every Thursday at 10 p.m. for the rest of the summer. And then hopefully I will see you all again for season two. That sounds like you guys have plenty planned out if you've already created a Bible. You said you've gone out about three potential seasons, right?

Yeah, we have a lot of story to tell still. We are so not done with this world. That's a lot to explore. Excellent. Okay. Well, listen, we appreciate your time. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right.

Have a good day. Thank you. You too. Bye. All right. That was our interview with Christian Torp, and we definitely appreciate him being on the show. What did you think, Philip? Cool guy?

Oh, yeah, definitely. He was awesome. I love his accent. I love everything, man. It was awesome. It was super cool. He was great and charismatic. and I guess the audio quality maybe wasn't the best

just because we're talking to him from Denmark. But I thank you so much for taking a time out of your day to talk to us. Yes, thank you very much, Christian. Much appreciated. So do we have any listener feedback this week, Philip? Zach Baxter and the Knights of the Drunk Watch. They get together and watch shows you probably watch anyway, like Game of Thrones and American Gods,

which we already talked about. And they provide their own drunken commentaries like mystery science theater, but the live version. They have their own YouTube channel and you can search for, and you could also find them on Facebook at it's Zach Baxter,

I-T-S-Z-A-C-K-B-A-X-T-E-R, and Instagram at at Zach Baxter Let's see. We got Gene Turner from Logan, Utah. I dropped us a line to say, been listening to your podcast, just wanted to drop a line and tell you I'm really enjoying it. Thank you, Gene.

That was awesome. Thanks, Gene. Filmmaker Nick Hunt from Florida, sent us an email to let us know he's a fan and would love to be part of the show. And we definitely plan on having Nick on in just a few weeks. he's kind of another big name guy I mean he's like a for real filmmaker

and he's going to come hang out on the show for a little while so that's kind of cool our friend Denny Louis for the third week in a row he says I'm doing research for the after midnight podcast while listening to the horror returns thanks for keeping me company boys all right no problem man

that's what we're here for Kevin Ness had this to say about Alien. Uh-oh. Yeah, he already said he wishes he could be on the show. He said, a good episode, dude. The Nostromo crew was on their way back to Earth when the company woke them up to check LV426. In the book, Ash knew nothing about the engineership. He only knew about it because after he told the company what it was.

And that's when they told him to bring it back to Earth. The company knew about the engineers, but they didn't know that their ship crashed on LV 426. Okay, okay, hold on, hold on, before you go on this. So he's kind of calling me out there, because if you guys will recall, I mentioned the possibility that there was a conspiracy theory afoot that Ashby wasn't, yeah, maybe wasn't sleeping the whole time, even though he got up as they did when the camera pinned in on the opening scene. Kevin, I'm still not, I'm still not convinced, dude, that there wasn't maybe something he did know about. out just because they got a... All right. If you look at Ash and his character,

he's pretty good at hiding his emotions. I mean, he is a fucking robot, for Christ's sake. And how do you know? I mean, do we really know he didn't know more than we were led to believe? I mean, I don't know. I guess I'm trying to justify the new movie, which I loved and most of my friends fucking hated.

But I think there could be something to it. I really think that... You're not alone, man. I'm kind of in the minority here, too, that I thought it was a good movie. I did on Kevin's show, because I think I rated it at 8. I did take it back a little bit just off a discussion with people. And there is plot holes. But I'm still holding to this movie is a piece in a bigger picture.

Yeah, I think I'm just a piece of the puzzle. Yeah, I'm really just hoping that when it's when we're in the next couple movies, everything is just going to be like, oh, okay, now I understand. Right. I'm hoping when the puzzle gets put together, it's all going to make so much more sense and be way more awesome. It probably won't. I'm just trying to stand it from my man Ridley here. All right. I think he's got a plan. As you were, boys.

And of course, our friend Patrick Plears sent an email, Origin Update, because we talked about... We talked about... Tom Hardy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Spider-Man and God damn it. Why can I not think of his name? Venom. There you go.

He was right there. So he's giving us a little history lesson here. He says, Spider-Man didn't find the suit when it was created from a machine. He didn't find the suit. It was created from a machine for Spider-Man after his costume was

destroyed. Then when the symbiotic entity tried to take over Peter Parker, they fought each other and the symbiate lost and found Eddie Brock. That was like in the last movie that he was in. Both hated Spider-Man and blamed him for their

misfortunes. Since then though, the symbiate was captured and contained by Shield and Flash Thompson took over wearing the suit. This version of Venom works for Shield so hopefully this is the version we get because it's the only way it makes

sense without Spider-Man. I think that that is not the direction they're taking at all. It sounds like more of a horror movie. Venom is going to be a bad guy and they're going to completely jump off the rails from the comic, which I'm okay with. If this movie was connected to the

Marvel universe, then maybe that might would make sense because Agent Venom is pretty fucking cool. But they're saying this is a standalone, not standalone. They're trying to make a R-rated Spider-Man villain universe that

I don't even know if Spider-Man is going to show up. Well, hopefully none of the other villains show up either because they cannot make a standalone Doc Ak movie or any of, you know, fucking any of those villains. They're all super cheesy except Benham. Venom is cool shit. Yeah. I mean, but then again, it's Sony.

Sony is. Oh, and I want to update a comment I made about the Marvel rights to Spider-Man. man going in 2020. I guess this was made from the former executive at at Sony. And I was told that she doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about. She's not even running Sony.

It's chaos over there. Chaos that tell you. So if people don't remember... I don't even know that was. She's not part of us. Yeah. So if anybody remembers, she was kind of not let go, but kind of believed of her duties during the whole

Sony email scandal that happened. Oh, God, yes, I remember that. So a friend of mine was telling me basically they would be stupid to end this deal with Marvel in like a couple years. Because he is actually, Tom Holland is actually contracted to do, I believe, three Spider-Man movies

and three Marvel. The Avengers are in there. Yeah, and three Marvel appearances. So, we're only getting one Spider-Man movie within that three years. So there's no way this contract is up in 2020. So I just wanted to throw that out there. Well, there you have it. And thanks to everybody who reaches out to us.

We love the feedback. As always, you can reach us at our Facebook or Podbean page. Or you can email us directly at the horror returns at gmail.com. We love to hear from you. Shoot us a little shout out. and we'll let you on the show. Everybody joined the Facebook group. Yeah, definitely check that out.

A lot going on over there. That was Darren Wilson's idea to start that group. Thanks, Darren. Definitely. All right, and now it is time for our featured attractions. This week, it's back to 1968. Yeah, baby. Look at the year in horror.

We're going to look at Night of the Living Dead, Rosemary's Baby, and Witch Finder General. We'll start with Night of the Living Dead. Some trivia directed by, as everyone knows, George A. Romero, also known for Dawn of the Dead and Creep Show. The writers were George A. Romero, along with John A. Russo, who is also known for Return of the Living Dead,

and Scream Queen's Naked Christmas. I've got to check that one out. I think it's a documentary. actually. So the zombie hand that Tom hacks up with a kitchen knife was made out of clay and filled with chocolate syrup. That doesn't surprise me at all. It's called guerrilla filmmaking, folks.

The body upstairs in the house was made by director George A. Romero, who used ping pong balls for the eyes. Well, also doesn't really surprise me. And this probably won't surprise you that this is one of the most successful independent movies ever made. It was made for $114,000, equivalent to $798,000 in 2017. It grossed approximately $30 million, which is equivalent to $210 million in 2017. Over 263 times its budget. Unfortunately, George A. Romero, this is what sucks, guys.

saw very little profit from the film. When thanks to his lack of knowledge regarding distribution deals, the distributors walked away with practically all of the profits. Damn. Fucking Hollywood, man. This is the Blair Witch from 1968. So, yeah, Night of the Living Dead, obviously a classic. Brian, you want to go first, man?

Yeah, I have not seen this movie in a while, so it was good to rewatch it. It definitely is a classic, but it kind of doesn't hold up for me. I think my mind has been corrupted by all the zombie movies and TV shows that it's just hard to look at these people of zombies. They just look like crazy people, like walking around slowly. Now, you got to remember, this is one of the first zombie movies. Yeah. No, it started at all.

It started the current race. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do appreciate the movie, though. It's just the actual zombies kind of took it out, took me out of it a little bit. But I did enjoy the performances from everybody, except I'm probably going to just get a lot of shit for this review in whole. I could not stand the lead actress. Oh, come on, dude. You've got to be kidding me, dude.

Come on. You know what? going to go out of limb in the remake, the actress that, or not even the actress, the way they did her character, they gave her some balls near the end. She grew, you know, she actually picked up a weapon and started, you know, killing zombies, you know, helping, you know, not just kind of in a day off to the side doing, you know, not being productive in a situation like this. This one is helpless and just a burden to everybody. Yes. Are you talking about the Savini remake? Yes, which I kind of hold that one dear because that came out when I was young and I watched it like over and over.

And I was, you know, I'm a big fan of practical effects. And anybody knows Tom Savini, you know, he's done countless movies as far as special effects. Right. But with that being said, I did enjoy everybody's performances. the main guy Ben, he played that role because he was the one that was taking charge of everything. He was like, we need to do this, we need to do that.

Sure. We're not doing that because I'm not putting myself in that situation. The actor who played Cooper was a complete douchebag. Yeah. And it just made it both were, though, to be fair. Yeah, but it made an interesting conflict because you had Ben who was trying to, I mean, essentially they both tried to take charge

but in different ways Cooper was the more I'm going to hide out down here in the basement and Ben was more like take charge we need to figure out how to get out of this situation and for the most part

I did enjoy the movie what did you guys think? I fucking love it I mean this is sorry if you're about to chat I'm in there, Philip. No, no, go for it. Yeah, no, I mean, this movie means a lot to me.

I really, and I can see what you're talking about, Brian. I mean, obviously when you're going back. And we were talking, and that's why I kind of picked out some of that trivia of what he did to make the special effects he did. But when you think about the influence that this film has had, for as low budget as it is. Oh, man, super low budget. And a lot of the... Yeah, I mean, don't get me...

Like somebody's backyard or some shit. Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. Like, some of the effects were cool. Like, you said, he did the corpse that was upstairs. Right. I kind of like the corpse. That looked... That looked great, actually.

Until they were dragging it on a, like, a carpet or something, and they accidentally showed the face, and it was like... Ping pong balls. Just a person. They wasn't even a skeleton anymore. It's just a person. Yeah, this... this movie's near and dear to my heart.

I mean, it's just the history of it. I know that there was so much trivia I wanted to talk about. We've only got so much time to record the show. But I just know that George J. Romero, I mean, bless you, man. I mean, the movies that you have made since this one, except for, I think, the next one after this, which was my favorite of the entire group, haven't been up to snuff. But I really, I mean, just everything.

I'm gushing here. We owe so much to this movie. Just the fact, if you love watching The Walking Dead, I mean, this is almost like the Old Testament here. I mean, seriously, I don't mean to go overboard here, but... No, you're right, though. I mean, you just got to give this movie it's due, and yes, it was low budget and it was guerrilla filmmaking, and I loved it. And I know for a fact that they had to, like, film and then, like, cops would show up and they had to leave, they ended up getting the Pittsburgh cops to help them.

And they used the actual news agency's helicopter to film. The actual police ended up coming and helping film the movie. I mean, it's just amazing what they did with the amount of money that they spent to make this and the repercussions that it's had on the film and television industry. I mean, it just means a lot to me. I'm not going to say anything else about it. Maybe it's because I'm the older states of the group, as we established earlier. but it's a special special movie.

Yeah, definitely. It's not the first zombie movie, but it's the first zombie movie where they're actually zombies and not just like some voodoo, New Orleans zombies, you know? The first one where they actually eat people. Where we think of zombies for what they are right now, this is the first one.

Yeah, all the... And it's like I said, it's Old Testament. You have to pierce them in the brain. They eat people, you know, all the things that weren't in zombie movies before this one, right, Philip? Yeah, and they went through all the rules in this one. This is what created all the rules, and I thought that was super cool. Having said that, you know, and I love the very first scene where it's set up in the cemetery. But yeah, it's definitely old school and cheesy.

it probably doesn't really hold up as well. Going back and watching it, it's a little goofy. But it's, it's kind of a fun cheese, you know? It's an iconic scene. The doors are coming to get you,

Barbara. Right. And that was creepy. I loved the first, the whole first scene was awesome. I loved it. I kind of wish the zombie had been done up a little more, but to be fair,

he had just died. You know, they were at a, graveyard. I think it was cool that they casted a black guy as the lead role. Very progressive. And, you know, of course, the cops

shot him at the end. So, there's that. Yeah, like as if they thought he was a zombie, right? He was holding a fucking gun. He's a zombie. Get him. Oh, boy. The special

effects aren't awesome low budget what are you going to do the struggle the fight scenes were really kind of bad except that scene where he Ray Rice that bitch in the face oh that felt good because she was

that bitch made me so mad dude she was like once she got in there she didn't say anything she didn't talk at all she didn't she just left her brother out in the cemetery and ran off. She doesn't talk or help or anything. She's completely useless. She was reunited with him later.

And as soon as he finally gets her talking, like the look on his face, you can tell that he just regrets it immediately. Right. So the second she starts going, he's like, oh God, that was a mistake. And then he ended up having a puncher in the face to shut her the hell up. Yeah, pretty rough, huh? Yeah. And then there's the, uh, the, the, uh, the, there's a chick that gets grabbed by the zombies and she looks like she likes it just a little too much. What? Yeah, but it was, I mean, the zombies are like the hands are reaching through and they're grabbing her and she's like, oh, oh, oh. I didn't catch that.

Did you have the drive? Are you going to make me go back and watch this again? Because I miss that. It was funny. That was my thought when I watched it. I was like, um, she's hanging out. out by that door a little too much there. Wow.

And then there was the one scene, another scene where they, the scene actually where they chopped up the hand. And there was like no sound effects on it. Yeah, that was kind of weird. Yeah, like it totally dropped out. But, you know, low budget. Like I said, it looks like it's made from somebody's backyard and it's iconic. And they sure didn't make a shitload of noise considering there's a bunch of

He's outside. They're like screaming at each other. We need to go to the basement. And then Ben, who sounds like Dave Chappelle doing a white guy impression, now listen here, I'm the boss, and we're going to stay up here. And then, of course, everybody dies, and he only lives by hiding in the basement, which he didn't want to do in the first place.

That's right for you. I got to throw a stupid people alert. out there. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Brian, you're falling down to the job, so Bill, it's micking up the slack. He might be talking about

the same thing, so I'll let you go ahead, sir. Oh, probably, because I'm sure you're going to get to it. When they're trying to get the the fuel pump going on the truck. Yep, yep. And they shoot the lock off of the fuel pump

with a gun, which, why the fuck not? You know, while they're holding torches. Sure. it's like that whole that whole scene i feel like he should have handed somebody his beer before he started it you know i know this is not a you know we're not reviewing the remake but they kind of put an exclamation point on how dumb this guy is in the remake because in the remake the entire pump and truck explode instantly well that would have been a little more

really. Hey, don't shoot the giant fuel tank, okay? Okay. One of the saving grace scenes, though, was when the kid became a zombie, the kid that was in the basement the whole time. Oh, that was chilling.

And killed that. Oh, man, that was amazing. That was super creepy. That totally stopped me in my tracks. Like, I was ready to make fun of this movie the whole time. And then I saw that, and it is,

Stop me from what I was doing. It was good. Definitely, definitely a classic. If you've never seen it, go watch it. It's worth it. Just from the history of it alone. Doesn't hold up as well as I would have hoped, but it's still a classic.

You guys ready for ratings? Yes, sir. I started it off. So overall, I like the story. I enjoyed the acting. Philip has resurrected the stupid people segment. And for that, I am going to give it a seven. I take off a couple of things just because, like I said, a couple of things don't hold up for me.

And I kind of blame that as just being overrun with so much zombie stuff throughout the years. so um well i'm wearing the heyday zombies now yeah but it is definitely a classic and everybody should if you are into zombie flicks and you've never seen this one you you have to because this is where it started right here right yeah i'm i'm kind of surprised uh you rated it that high man i didn't think you'd give it a seven that's that's commend that's commendable man

that's a good score um i on the other hand i'm going to go quite a bit higher i give it an 8.5 And the biggest problem that you guys seem to have with this is how stupid the people act and, you know, how, you know, shooting the, shooting the lock and the way that, you know, Barbara is like comatose and can't say anything. You kind of understand. I mean, we're in our regular fucking world here. If this really happened and all of a sudden the dead started coming out of their graves and coming back to life, I mean, we may not act exactly how we think we would act in that situation. I mean, I think in a way that kind of speaks to George A. Romero's mastery of directing the film is that some people acted the way that you don't know how you would act in a situation like this, I guess is what I'm trying to say. I mean, I'm not too surprised that there were people who did things that made absolutely no sense. You know, I mean, that kind of added to the paranoia and the fear of the whole thing for me. So, you know, and to be fair, there were no zombies before this. Oh man, I mean, this is just, this, this, this, this wrote the rulebook.

The only thing that I think is kind of changed from this is that you guys will notice. And I, and I will, I will admit this, that it was kind of cheesy the way the zombies could use, like, tools. Like some of them were like banging rocks on the car. And, of course, the little girl with the, you know, in the final scene that you were referring to and all that. But, you know, give credit where credits do. Romero was kind of feeling it out at this point. but yeah, 8.5. Nice.

I'm going to go, I think it gets a lot of points just for being such a classic and such a, just a rosetta stone for zombie movies, you know what I mean? This is, for sure. It started at all.

And so it has to get something. Having said that, though, man, if it wasn't so iconic, it'd be really bad. I'm going to say 6.5. That's pretty high, man.

Oh, yeah, no. I mean, it's definitely classic, and it's fun to watch. I mean, it's super cheesy, but it's fun. And I enjoyed it, man. I'm glad that we did this episode. I really enjoyed watching this movie. Awesome.

All right, you guys ready to move on? Yeah, and apologies. If anybody here is a baby in the background. That is my niece. And she thinks she can talk. So she's only one. So apologies. Brian, that's right. Brian is the master of the segways.

Is it Rosemary's baby? Next film of 1968 that we're going to discuss is Rosemary's baby. I sure hope that's not who's with you over there, Brian. Oh, it better not be. We're going to have problems. I think I would be able to tell. with the eyes.

He's got his brother's eyes. Yes. The director and writer, or the screenwriter, Roman Polanski, also known for Repulsion and the Ninth Gate. The film is based on a novel by Ira Eleven, who we should know pretty well because he also wrote the

Stepford Wives, which we reviewed previously. According to Mia Farrow, the scenes where Rosemary walks in front of traffic in New York City on the streets, were spontaneous and genuine. Roman Polanski is reported to have told her that nobody will hit a pregnant woman. So just walk on out there in the traffic.

Well, maybe in 1968. Oh, that's true. I probably wouldn't do it now. Well, Philip, what'd you think about this movie, man? This one's a classic, okay? This is one that I've seen probably a dozen times. it's always on TV late at night and stuff, you know.

And I've always had a love for it. It's definitely a slow burn. It kind of writes the book on it to me. It's got like an hour of buildup before anything really happens. Right. So, you know, I mean, it works for some people, and for some people it doesn't. It's a little bit.

theatrical, but guy, the main character, well, not the main character, but Rosemary's husband, is supposed to be an actor and like a theatrical actor. So it kind of makes sense, and I think it was pretty deliberate. Right. I think the acting is pretty great, though. I love the old couple. They're super fucking funny, man. And I like, I know a lot of people that remind me of these people. which kind of creeps me out a little bit at the moment. You're talking about Roman and Minnie? Yeah, they're funny, man. I love Minnie.

She's great. Yeah, the famous Ruth Gordon, she's, man, she goes way back. She's so funny, man. I love this movie. The doctor, I can't remember his name right off the top of my head, but he sounds like a total quack. I don't know why she listened to him for as long as she did. Dr. Saperstein.

Dr. Saperstein. I love that I love they have that scene in there where when they find out that she's pregnant and they all like toasts with a glass of wine. Hey, you're pregnant. Let's drink some wine. Yeah.

Surprise they didn't have cigarettes there too, right? Yeah. 1968. What are you going to do? I love the transformation that Mia Farrow grows through. I think that they did a great job with that. Because they take her from

very vibrant and young and kind of innocent. And they beat her down and she looks all malnourished and dead. She looks like fucking Marilyn Manson at one point in this movie. And then gets all vibrant again later when the baby is I guess evolving a little more

I don't know but I love the stages that she goes through where it's like innocent to sick to very paranoid

and it adds a little bit from movies where you don't know if they're crazy or not and I mean obviously there is that Yeah, obviously in this movie, we know that she's not crazy, but she is the only one who knows.

She's not the only one that knows what's going on, but she's got this everybody's plotting against her thing. And unfortunately, in this movie, everybody is plotting against her. And so she sounds crazy every time she talks to her, to anybody else. And I imagine when she's talking to anybody else, she probably thinks that she sounds crazy when she's doing it. And she's probably not entirely sure of herself the whole time until the end of the movie. And I got to say, I love the ending of the movie. I love that they don't show the baby. I love everything that happens, man.

This is a classic, a classic staple in a horror movie genre. If you had never seen this movie, even more so than Night of the Living Dead. If you've never seen this movie, you have to watch it. Okay, I'll go next. this also is another movie I have not seen in a long time and I am grateful that I got a chance

to rewatch it because I love this movie everything you said Philip is right on point everybody that is conspiring against her is very like their characters are like so weird

and creepy and memorable like everyone like you said you brought up the old couple also the guy that I guess runs the apartment building that was showing the apartment to him. He was super weird and creepy. But the creep factor for me got kind of amped up with the husband.

Because he had a specific line in here that I was like, what did you say? And that was the scene when she got, she apparently was drugged and passed out. Right. And he still had sex with her. And then when she woke up, he mentioned.

it and she was like while I was passed out and he said yeah it was kind of fun in a necrophile way right I was like whoa you couldn't have been like yeah you were really into it you didn't you don't remember yeah and he said it just so

happy go lucky just like you know what I'm saying the necrophile you know I'm like whoa yeah you passed out but it was cool don't worry about it I'm like with all this weird stuff going on and then your husband comes at you with that, I'm like, oh my gosh, you have to be losing your mind at this point.

But I thought the actress Mia Fara, I thought she was great in it. I do agree. I like her transformation throughout the movie, especially physically. Yeah. Because you could see, you know, I don't know what effects they did as far as makeup or anything, but you can tell when she was losing weight. You could see it in her face. Yeah.

She was like, she linked like Christian Bale from the machinist. Oh, wow. I don't know if I'd go that far. It's pretty close. And I totally forgot Charles Groden was in this movie. I didn't even recognize him, man. Yeah, young Charles Groden, when she actually goes to someone to get help and tells the whole story, you think, okay, she's finally got someone that. believes her that's going to help her out.

Nope. He calls her doctor and her husband to come pick her up. Basically, go with them or I will admit you into a psychiatric ward. Wow. And you just felt so bad for her. But I also do agree. I'm glad we didn't see the baby at the end. I think what we just got the glimpse of the eyes.

And I mean, I was kind of curious because apparently the feet and the hands are. a little bit crazy looking. Yeah, but I think we would have been disappointed if we'd have seen it. I mean, it was 1960. You know, it leaves it up to your imagination. So, yeah, I hold this film in high regards. It is a definite must watch for any horror fan. Yeah.

Yeah, well, I had not seen this film before now. And I actually watched it twice. and that's because I don't think I gave it a fair shake the first time I watched it because I was kind of focusing on it what in my opinion was like maybe some overacting a little bit and just kind of a lot of theatrical stuff and I mean I love a good slow burn but this was this was just dead almost almost paralyzed it was so slow and you know I mean I I just thought okay let me give it a second look and so I did watch the film twice and the second time I watched it, I kind of started to realize something. And maybe it's because I started watching a TV show based on a movie,

which is based on a novel by Margaret Atwood this week called The Handmaid's Tale. You guys heard about this one? Oh, yeah. My wife started watching that. It looks fucking awesome. It is. It is. It is a Hulu show. And what I think, if you really want to look at the big picture, what this movie is telling you,

and what that series is telling you. I mean, look, we hear a lot about, and it's true, Mr. Nancy says it on the boat in the second episode of American Gods, the way that black people have been treated since the beginning. But I mean, fuck, have we treated our women too much better than that? You know, if you think about it, I mean, it's like the first thought, the knee-jerk reaction to when a woman starts realizing something's off, something's weird. What's the first

thing we do? Ah, you know, you're just, you know, you're hysterical. You're having a panic attack. You're, you know, come on, babe, take this pill, you know, or whatever. And I think when you look at the big picture, that's kind of what this movie's telling you. It's just kind of putting a mirror back on our society in the way that we've been

for literally hundreds of years the way we treated our women. And when you really look at it that way, it's a whole different movie, you know? Yeah. I mean, it kind of is. It's, It's a little bit about women's lib. You know, it was in the 60s.

I mean, I got a lot more out of it on the second watch. I mean, it was a little cheesy at the end when they were going, hell Satan. Hell Satan. I love that. Oh, I love that. I thought that was creepy as hell. Yeah, but it was super cheesy to me, dude.

I've just seen too many movies. And it was true. This one came first, you know. But this was the first. I thought it was a little racist with the Asian guy, with the glasses and the camera. Oh, the camera. That's right.

Yeah. Kind of funny. Who's taking the picture? The Asian guy, right? I'm like, where did you come from? Oh, man. But he's got a camera. Yeah.

That's funny. I didn't even think about that. Wow. Okay. Well, yeah, I could see the portrayal of women in this, you know, like, you know, they had her, basically, she was like little Miss Susie Homemaker, you know, had her husband's dinner, had his beer ready for him when he got home. Yeah. And everything she was just

trying to tell him, he was just, oh, you know, you're, you're crazy. You're taking your pills, you know, you're drinking your weird little herb shake thing from the neighbors. Well, man, and I got to say, I think his performance is totally underrated, because you can tell that he totally changes after

she gets raped by Satan or whatever. Oh, wow. Guy. Yeah. And, and he he he he he thinks differently of her yeah you you could you could tell immediately how he you can tell where the struggle begins with you know what what he's involved in yeah but by the end it's you know he's got his he's got his little career going and you know this this will be good for everybody and then you know she just spits right in his face just like literally yeah yeah i'm not i'm not feeling nothing you're saying.

Although, I don't know how he thought he was going to get away with any of this shit. This show also... General public service announcement, guys don't fucking do it. They're going to find out. I hear you loud and clear. But this also says a lot about Hollywood, doesn't it? That he was willing to do that to be

successful. And, I mean, this movie's pretty deep. There's a lot here. selling your first born to Satan literally you guys ready for scores yeah let's do it yeah I guess I went first I'm gonna give this one a nine

I think it's a horror movie staple right up there with like Evil Dead 2 and and talking about a totally different movie well I know but I'm saying like as far as as horror movies that if you are

horror fan, you need to watch this. This is one. Basically, if you put a list together of horror movies you need to watch, this would be on there. Yeah. Night of the Living Dead, while it's a classic, you don't necessarily need to watch it. It's a good idea. Come on, dude. Seriously?

If you watch it's not a great thing. You don't think people should watch Night of the Living Dead, I think that they should, because it's the genesis of it. But tell me, dawn of the dead is not way better than Night of the Living Dead. Oh, fuck. Hell yeah, dude. Head and shoulders about it. Watch that.

Watch the noise. Night of the Living Dead is, is classic and beginning, but you don't have to see it. Rosemary's baby, you have to see. Gotcha. Well, that's strong, strong words, man. Yeah. I'm almost there with you. I'm going to give it an 8.5.

This is a definite must-watch. I thought the performances were great. As we talked about earlier with the reveal of the baby, but yet you didn't see the baby. I thought that was because most movies would have showed you the baby. Right. And I really liked that, you know, left a lot to the imagination. I like the little twisted. Yeah.

And like I brought it up earlier, the creep factor. with just everybody that was just in on it were just so and I didn't even bring up the lady the heavyset lady that was a super nice to her throughout the movie and then was just a total bitch to her at the end who was just

the one of the one that was rocking the baby all she's crazy yeah that's right cold coat bottle glasses yeah how her when the review you know when everybody knew what was going on her you know the her reveal of who she truly was was just a night and day from her just being this nice lady trying to help

out. And then she snout at her. It's a bitchness. Yeah. I love the whole last scene. He said it was cheesy, but I loved it. But, yeah, 8.5. Damn.

All right. Yeah, I liked it, too. I liked the movie quite a bit. And I like the depth of the script. And I like what it was saying. I give us 7.5. Nice. All right.

So our third film, 1968, is which. finder general, which if you're playing the home game guys are listening to the show, you might know it better as the Conqueror Worm. But I actually found it under iTunes. I rented it under iTunes under as Witchmaster General.

There I go again with a fucking, I keep confusing it with Wishmaster. Okay. I looked it up real quick. The film was retitled the Conqueror Worm in the United States in attempt to link it with Roger

Corman's earlier series of Edgar Allan Poe-related films starring price. There you have it. Okay. Makes sense. Thanks for the research, man. Because I had no fucking idea why they would see it. I didn't either. It was stupid.

It was directed by Michael Reeves, also known for She Beast and the Sorcerers. And the writers were Michael Reeves and Tom Baker, who also. co-wrote the sorcerers. The real Matthew Hopkins was only in his mid-20s in 1645 and died before he was 30. Vincent Price's character is obviously middle age

like the actor himself. Hopkins and Stern executed more than 300 people, mainly women during, and this is all true, during their two to three years of witch hunting, quote unquote. Considering that 500 people in total were executed for witchcraft

in England, between the late 15th and late 18th centuries, that means that Hopkins was responsible for two-thirds of those executions and during a short period of only three years. Wow. Just serial killer. Wow. All right, I'm going to go first on this guys. Do you mind? Yeah.

I don't have too much to say about it. All I'm going to say is that this movie was Vincent Price at his absolute priceiest. Would you guys agree? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Moving on. Who's next? I guess I'll go. I'll go. I've never heard of this.

Hold on. Now, let me explain something real quick. I'm kind of in a hurry now. You guys take your time, but here's the thing. I'm going to the bar. Tomorrow starts another hole 30 for me where I'm on a ketosis diet for 30 days with no sugar, no alcohol, no dairy, et cetera. You get the point. As you were, gentlemen. Okay.

I'm going to try to get through mine real quick. I've never heard of this movie, but when I watched it, I'm glad I watched it because I, you know, I'm a big fan of Vincent Price. Right. But overall, the story was okay. This movie was more brutal than entertaining because these things they use, these situations, I don't even know the words. These tests they use for witches are fucking outrageous. Yeah. The whole, I'm going to stab you in the back.

And if, if you, if you, um, scream out in agony or pass out, that is the devil relieving you of your pain. Right. I'm like, oh, okay. The whole dunking people in water. And if they float, then they're, they're not lying. This movie is out. And the, uh, the one guy was a total douchebag. the assistant or his partner.

Hell yeah. With the Prince Valiant haircut. Yeah, I was going to say dumb a haircut, but yeah. And I thought in the beginning of the way Vincent Price played it, you know, he seemed like he really, I'm not going to say like throughout the movie he didn't, but in the beginning he really seemed like he believed in what he was doing until the scene where he got word that his partner raped that girl. And then all of a sudden he just changed.

And it was like, well, well, you know, basically kill the uncle, kill the priest, kill everybody. Yeah. I'm like, whoa, where did this happen? You know, when did this happen? Because you seem like he was one of favor for her. And then all of it suddenly he has power. Yeah.

And overall, I thought the best performance was Vincent Price. Obviously. Everybody was okay, I guess, you know. you kind of have to get over some there's some bad acting in here there you know of course the the blood always makes me laugh the red paint looking blood but overall it you know to I think what I really got out of it was the fact that this stuff kind this stuff that happened in this movie really did happen at a time and it's just crazy how somebody would do the minor littlest thing and you'd just be accused of a witch,

and then they would do these tests that are just so brutal and horrifying and made no sense. And it was kind of crazy to watch it on screen, especially a movie that was made in 1968. Right. Yeah.

I kind of agree with a lot of what you just said, man. So this one is before the Salem witch trials in England. And it is absolutely based on true events. So they really thought this shit. And these guys are a bunch of ass holes.

And don't want to throw politics in the mix because I hate it. And I'm a Republican. So I'll say that. But like if you rolled up Donald Trump, Kanye West, and Charlie Manson into one, this guy is so hateable. I'm telling you and his douche-nazle buddy is even worse

his little fucking dumb and dumber haircut I hate that guy for a show that we go out of our way to avoid politics dude you just you just sent a fucking missile up into the air dude

actually I'm kind of anti-politics in general so I know I'm talking with you man I'm fucking I thought it was well-acted. It was pretty believable, man. It took a while to get into it just because it's old and it's in technical.

And, I mean, you got to be in the right mindset to watch a movie like that, man. It is definitely old school. And I had never heard of it before. So the first, you know, 20 minutes in the movie was just me getting accommodated to the movie. but then it really got pretty good man I'm absolutely glad I watched this you know

and it's only like an hour and 20 minute movie so it's not hard to watch and there's a scene where they're lowering the people off the bridge and they're all tied up and they have you know they set the witch rules in this one

and one of the rules is if they float or swim than they're witches and if they sink and drown then they're innocent which I'm watching that scene when they were bringing them back up I thought one of the actresses was dead

I know right I guess the initial one that they said oh she's she's floating so she's floating bring her up so we can hang her yeah I thought the way she was just on the rope I'm like maybe did they accidentally kill this actress

and film it and here we years later Wizard of eyes midget hanging himself things I also thought the one scene

was kind of brutal too the burning of the witches the way they would tie them up on that that ladder

or whatever and just slowly lower them down right okay and I saw the it was like I guess it was

the director's cut I don't know which side you saw but you could tell where the scenes were added in that they had to take out

because they weren't as as clean. Yes. And so, yeah, and so there was a lot of those in that scene where they were low in and under them and into the fire. But yeah, that was a pretty good one. I kind of kept waiting for somebody to shout out from the crowd. She's a witch, burner. She turned

She turned out What did you guys A little money python there, huh? I got better What did you guys think about the end When he When the main I guess

I forgot his name in the movie When he finally got his revenge Right He went all crazy, huh? I thought the ending was fucking weird Yeah I'm like So do these soldiers

Of the the soldiers of the queen or whatever I don't even know the proper terminology. Do they not have any kind of ranking over these guards that they can't get down to this dungeon? I know, right? It's really weird

that they had to go through this elaborate fight scene. Well, it was in the, you know, 1,600s. So I imagine that if you walk around like you own the shit, then they're just going to let you own the shit.

Which is what happened with Vincent Price's character to begin with. He wasn't proclaimed by parliament or whatever, but he said he was and everybody just fucking believed him. And I'm jumping all over the place here. I got to bring up the fight scene with Prince Valiant, looking partner guy and the soldier in the bar. That was probably the worst,

greatest, funniest thing I've ever seen. He did this like Superman thing. Yeah. It was cool. I just had to bring that up. I was dying laughing. It was hilarious. But back to the, better fight scenes than Night of the Living Dead.

Oh, shit. It is. Dude, they were pulling punches in that movie the whole time. Like, every time they were about to hit somebody, they, like, pulled back and... It was a different time, guys. It was a different era. It was a sheer. No, but I mean, all this stuff was a different era than where we are now. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, no, I liked it. I had never heard of this movie, and I'm absolutely glad that I watched it. I think it was great. It was, I can't call it a classic because I'd never heard of it, but it kind of is, man. Yeah, that's crazy.

Which thing? Check it out. Yeah, that's crazy as I'm pulling it up. In 2005, a total film magazine named it the 15th greatest horror film of all time. I don't know about that, because it's almost more,

Almost more of a cool history than a horror film. Like a docudrama. Yeah, that's what I got out of it. Right. But because it's real, it makes it that much scarier. It's kind of cool.

Yeah. Right. All right. Well, can we go into scores? Yeah. Because I'm ready to get to the bar. All right. You went first. I'm ready to get back. 6.5. I enjoyed it. Okay.

I think I'm right there with you, Lance, 6.5. I think just the fact that this stuff actually happened was pretty fucking crazy. Wow. Yeah. I'm going to give it an eight. What? Yeah, man. I'm telling you.

This might be the 15th greatest horror film of all time. Maybe. It was a really nice. Prize, man. I totally didn't expect anything from this movie, especially since I'd never heard of it. But I thought it was great. All right. There you have it, folks. So we'd probably

overall recommend all three of these movies, right? Absolutely. Cool. All right, so as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at thehorror

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yada, and the Facebook, what's the group again? How do they get to the group, Brian? Just go to Facebook and type in the horror returns a group

and we will add you as fast as you request an invite. There you go. Almost makes sense. The horror returns creep, okay.

Next week, it is time. If you guys, let me ask you, you guys a question. Are y'all willing to give the DC universe one more chance? Of course. You know what? I am hearing very, very good reviews about this movie. It looks cool. I'm hearing that what they said was wrong with the first two movies. They fixed. Wait a minute. First three movies. Don't forget Suicide Squad.

Well, I'm not, I'm not counting Man of Steel because I thought that movie. I thought that movie. It counts, but I don't count it because that was a good movie. I enjoyed it, too, but everybody else shit on it. But right now, the, like, full reviews are not out because, you know, everybody's on that, got that embargo. But it's looking like this is going to be a good movie for DC. I think it is. I'm excited about it.

Okay. Well, next week we're going to. We're going to dive in. That's right, as if you couldn't tell from what Phillips said, Wonder Woman, as well as another great world, World War movie, Captain America the First Avenger. Cool. And we are going to be joined by our good friend Denny Lewis of the After Midnight podcast. So, until the horror returns again, good...

Goody. Nah, well, I thought we were all going to go on that. It'll work.