The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #53: Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) & Wonder Woman (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: December 3, 2021

This week Denny Luis joins us to talk superheroes. Thanks for listening!

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Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new, horror movie. Sometimes not a horror movie. It might be a little different sometimes, as you know, if you've listened to us for a while. But we will always... A more comic style. Yeah, a lot of comic stuff. We will always go back and find a classic work with similar themes, which is obviously, you know, sometimes going to be a horror movie, sometimes not. We look at both similarities and differences between the two films. And our goal is to explore how our perceptions of what we're checking out remain the same from generation to generation, but we also want to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and political climate of the times. We do include spoilers for the

new film. However, we will wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new feature, and we will let you know before we do so with a spoiler alert. If you don't wish to hear the spoilers, simply turn us off at that point. We promise you won't miss a thing. We generally assume that you guys have probably already seen the older films, so we're always going to have spoilers when we are discussing anything that has been out for at least a year. The other thing that we may do

from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance, and with me, as always, are my co-host Brian and Phillip.

And tonight, we've got a very special guest back with us again, and that's Denny Lewis of the After Midnight podcast. Hey, hey, everybody, what's going on? Hey, Denny, what all do you guys have planned these days for the show?

We just, well, thank you for having me back on again, Lance, Brian, and Hennessy. What's up, man? Basically, we just wrapped up episode 51 this week. It's actually our first

ever two-parter series. where we're looking into rock and roll myths and legends. I have had on my friend Jeffrey Strange to discuss this. We delved into Robert Johnson and the devil at the crossroads, the 27 club. Did Jim Morrison fake his death? The Allman Brothers, were they really cursed? The similarities between Tim and Jeff Buckley, they were father. a father and son

singer and songwriters who only met each other like once, but whose life, careers, and basically their deaths almost seemed kind of parallel to each other.

So we discussed that and then next week we got part two or we discussed Leonard Skinnerd, Kiss, Mama Cass, you know which one that is, and a whole bunch of other ones. It was a fun time,

but we cut it in two parts, because it was like a, we were pretty much recorded for like five hours. Oh, wow. I don't think people would be interested in hearing a five-hour podcast. Yeah, that's a bit much, man. You got material for a couple of weeks. So the mama casting, was that the chicken bone thing or whatever or chicken sandwich? The ham sandwich.

Ham sandwich, okay. Yeah, we talked about, out of all of them, I think the one I got the most enjoyment out of is when we, we tried to debunk Gene Simmons I guess notches on his bed on his bedpost conspiracy

I don't know about you could we talk about this here for a second did you guys ever see that Gene Simmons sex tape No it's not the kind of stuff you cover on the horror returns Gene Simmons from

Kius let's just say he introduces himself his technique was not very impressive and if it's not that impressive I kind of doubt that whole 4,000 women theory that he kind of puts out it it almost seems unbelievable right I don't know man he was a rock star you know he could pull any woman from the audience that he wanted to and just take her backstage. I feel like very possible. I doubt Wilts Chamberlain more than I doubt Gene Simmons. Well, here's the thing.

We go on to compare Gene Simmons numbers to Mick Jagger's numbers. Okay. Right. Well, yeah. And I'll give Mick Jagger this, at least when he was a younger man, he was kind of like a good-looking dude. But we also get into one of my favorite ones, like probably the first ever one I ever heard in my life. And that was basically the whole Mick Jagger, David Bowie, Night of Passion. I heard that one before.

What? You never heard this story. It had a Devil's Three Way or what? No, it's just the two of them. Oh, wow. No, I never heard that story. That would be interesting. back in 1990

David Bowie's ex-wife Angie started making like after they got I guess separated she started making the rounds on like the talk show tours and she was doing like Joan Rivers Howard Stern all that stuff all that

and when she first appeared she kind of dropped the bombshell she came home one day and and her her housekeeper told her not to go into her bedroom because there was someone

in there. Now, according to Angie, this was kind of normal, so she just suspected that David was in there with another woman. Okay. So she just went in in there anyway. And according to her, when she went in, her original stories, when she went in, she saw Bowie and Jagger in the Throws of Passion. Whoa. Next time she appeared on a show, she said, well, they were naked and sleeping beside each other, but I don't know what they were doing before that. So it's something that's kind of stuck with them ever since. Huh. Wow.

Never heard that. So you researched it for the show, Denny. Is that true or is it an urban legend? What's pretty much, I would kind of sit. It's still up in the air because the thing is, nobody has ever denied this rumor. It's almost like they just left it out there. You know, Angie Bowie just kind of backtracked on it, but, you know, she never fully came out and denied what happened that night. I mean, I imagine Bowie was probably definitely bisexual.

And it wouldn't totally surprise me if I think Jagger was. So I could see that happening. It's craziness, though. Maybe for Jagger there was like no women left in England for him to. Yeah, to, I guess, conquer. So we had to move on to the next. A little bit of variety. Oh, man.

Hey, Brian, Brian, you haven't chimed in on this, man. I have nothing to say about this. All right, you guys ready to move to the middle of the week? My cool of the week right now is actually American gods. There you go. Yeah, I ran through the whole thing. There's a little more penis in it than I'd like to see. but in general the show is great.

I run it in to the Mick Jagger story because there is a gay sex scene that is super uncomfortable. Yeah, I was watching that at work. I kind of fed. It's like, wow, that was a little much. But the show is super cool. Great use of music throughout.

Very artsy, quirky, cool. And that's right up my alley, man. I liked it. It was good. What about you? I went back. I haven't been watching a lot of stuff lately, but I went back. Well, first off, I actually finally got a chance to sit down and watch the season finale of last year's Game of

drones a whole year after it came out. And this was phenomenal. I love the way, especially towards the end when they kind of showed all three people rising to power with, you know, like John Snow and Cersie and DeNaris. I'm finally glad that, you know, DeNaris is finally on a boat headed to Westeros and, you know, ready to wreck some shit. Right. I'm glad that John Snow is the king of the north. I'm not buying the, I'm not buying the supposed,

I guess, conflict between John and, and Sansa. I think Sansa might be really on to like what Littlefingers trying to do. And I think she's trying to play him this time. It was a really good episode. Outside of that, I went back, Amazon Prime, and I started

going back through season one of unsolved mysteries. And I forgot how great this show was. I was hooked on every episode, especially, I think it was halfway through season one where they

did like a I suppose, it was like a 90 minute special on Alcatraz where they told the story of these three guys who escaped. And then they tried to recreate the escape because the bodies were never found. So nobody was ever sure if they got away or if they drowned or whatever.

So they basically hire like these three guys to kind of make like a makeshift raft to test it on. They leave these guys out in the water and they get this triathlon dude to go and swim from Alcatraz Island all the way to San Francisco Bay. And he was able to do it. He did it in like a couple of hours. And like when he got out, apparently he had to go running or something. so you wouldn't get hypothermia. The poor guys on the life rest, they didn't make it. I think they got like a quarter of a mile out

and before they gave up and were like, well, fuck, we couldn't do it. They called for help, huh? They pretty much. Well, they got this, someone who I'd never seen before. I always knew like Unsolved Mysteries is having like Robert Stack, but apparently he had somebody else with him, some woman who had like this Ziggy Stardust haircut or something. and she's on a boat

and she's just like talking to them from the boat so like the boat will pull up to them on the raft and she put her microphone down and they would talk and then they'd be like okay that's all we have for now and then the boat would just kind of like you know drive away and leave them there on the raft so it was pretty bizarre

but it was good stuff a lot of good stories that uh some of them that I totally remembered from when I was a kid right and I was like old school man it is old school I can't wait to dig into season two. Amazon Prime, huh? Amazon Prime. It's been

on there for a while because somebody was telling me about that, but it just recently finally came on Canadian Amazon Prime. So that's where I was like, I just decided let me see if it's finally on here. And I went on to Amazon Prime and boom, there it was. And it was no looking back.

Check that out. I used to love that show. And that's all I got. Brian? I got a couple things. First, I'm still going through these movie picks from our Facebook group. I got one more in. Only 127 more to go. Yes.

Ricky Morgan from the Hail Main Power Hour suggested this one, and it was Red Sonia. I have not seen this movie since I was a kid. Right. Bridget Nielsen. Yep, Bridget Nielsen. I don't know that I've ever seen it. Yeah, it has Arnold Schwarzenegger playing. a not Conan but

Conan type character Oh maybe I have Which makes no sense Because they're in the same universe In the comics Yeah And I mean It's okay

You know It's Regite Nilsson Playing a A female Conan type character Basically And Yeah it was okay

I give it a five Five out of ten A little A little more interesting When she was in it With Flavav Huh And my

other cool little week. I watched a movie we reviewed the trailer for a French film called Raw. The Cannibal. Oh, nice. And we just happened to be watching it at the same time and he invited me to come on his show to talk about it. I'm not going to give anything away because it's rarely new.

Let's just say I kind of, I liked it But the trailer made it to be something that it's not. And I think I gave it a score. I think I gave it a six out of five. I like the story. I like the actors. But I thought I was getting something else. A six out of five.

Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry. I was six point five. Oh, okay. Thank you. Thank you for. That was going to be my next question.

Okay. Thank you for me. That's really kick ass. But, uh, yeah, totally expected another movie and at times I kind of wanted that movie but overall the story

was okay and there was quite a there was some good practical effects in here so that was on my list it is out there for people to view so I do recommend you watch it you know

you might not like it you might like it's one of them type of movie it is subtitled too so is it kind of a neon Demon-ish? Not to that extent, but I would probably... No, I wouldn't lump it in there with Neon Demon. Okay, cool.

Gotcha. And yeah, that's pretty much all I've seen. All right, cool. I really... I mean, I've had a super hectic week, so I really don't have too much of a cool of the week. I just simply get ready for the leftovers finale this week and hope... that they tie everything together and Lindelof doesn't do his normal

you know cop out ending like you did with Lost and long as they tie everything together and make it satisfying I'll be happy with it but it's a fun show to watch I guess that'd be my cool of the week so yeah that's uh I guess that's it guys you want to move on to headlines sure

hit us we got another spin-off movie coming this time with female characters Silver Sable and Black Cat called Silver in Black. Silver Sable was always my jam. That chick is so hot.

I haven't seen Silver Sable in a comic book since like 1993. I know. I don't even remember what she looks like, but I remember she was hot. And again, I don't even know if this coincides with the current Spider-Man. Director announced, I've heard of some of the movie she's done, but Never heard of her. Gina Prince by the Wood is her name. By the wood?

By the wood. Prince by the wood. Movies she's done. Is that a gimmick name or something? It kind of sounds like it, isn't it? It's hyphenated. Okay. Prince by the wood.

By the movie she's done. Secret Life of Bees, loving basketball. I don't know where, I don't know what direction they're going with this movie. Oh, that's, wow. I'm actually pretty interested in finally seeing black cat on the screen. I know she's a, you know, a bit of a catwoman rip-off, but I always thought, I was always interested in her and Spider-Man and their dynamic in the comic books. Right, too, yeah. So I would actually kind of like to see.

What are they going to do with this current Spider-Man one? because apparently I heard that the love interest for this movie is supposed to be Liz Allen. And it's like, really, you're just like burning through all these, just burning through all these women in his life. Anyone he's ever known, huh? Exactly. I always assumed that they would probably start off with, I was always hoping that they would kind of start off with Betty Brand.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to ask you, um, do you think Sony, is going to be able to make this universe work because I don't even know if it even includes the Tom Holland Spider-Man.

Well, there's I don't know, I heard rumblings that apparently there's already some trouble between Sony and Marvel again. And apparently once they got, once this agreement is done because it's only set for X amount of films,

Sony's going to scrap it all again and start over again. So it's kind of like, well, what the fuck you know it's like this this franchise has been like rebooted three times the first movie's not even 20 years old yet

right and this is already the third incarnation of this of this franchise and it's kind of like well you know just let it be you know I don't know I don't even I'm not even excited for Spider-Man homecoming it looks good but it's kind of like well I'm not have no interest in

I've just seen it so many times already Been there, done there. Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember? I am excited about Venom, though. In 2002, people were like busting nuts over Spider-Man, because this is going to be the first time they were going to see him in an actual movie. Right.

It was good. And here we are. Less than 20 years later, we've had, there's going to be a six Spider-Man movie with three different actors, a third reboot. It's like, how many times can they keep dropping the ball with this character? they got it right with Spider-Man too that's it right leave it well he's a popular character I feel like Marvel's going to do a good job with it man

and I'm actually excited about the Venom thing I know nobody else really is but yeah but Venom's not Marvel dude Venom Venom's just going to be a Sony one isn't it Brian no I know yeah but I think that they're kind of taking it in a cool direction where it's more of a horror movie standalone thing with just Venom and no Spider-Man.

I mean, you know, totally, total departure from the comics, and I'm sure it's going to make a lot of, like, hardcore fans pissed off. But I think if they do it right and just take it in a completely different direction, it might be fun to watch. Right. I'm pissed off that they stole Bain. Right. Okay.

So we got some Conjuring three news. The next movie will not. involve a haunted house or possessions. Okay. What is it going to... They haven't announced it yet, but they said they are probably most likely going away from what was done in the previous films. Okay, so, hey, so we got Denny here with us, and, you know, obviously on your show, you guys talk about a lot of hauntings and things like that.

What would you pick for the Conjuring 3, Denny? Can you think of a case file that you might consider it? I was actually hoping they were going to tackle an exorcism. That'd be fun. It was, I did an episode a few weeks ago about a gentleman by the name of Maurice French Etherio, who lived out in Maine. Right. Who is actually one of the first video recorded cases of an exorcism being performed. And you could see this guy as it's being done and his skin is starting to bubble and kind of rip and his mouth.

and his mouth almost seems like it's being stuck together, like that scene from the Matrix. You remember like when... Yes, yeah. And Neo's mouth starts to kind of close. It starts to look like that, and they kind of get whatever is in him out, but it doesn't stay gone.

It eventually comes back after a few years. And it's such a great story. And it's not... And it wouldn't have the happy ending that people are used to with the series. Okay, let's see. Previously, we talked about the blob remake that was going to have Sam Jackson in it.

Holly Berry is in talks to be in this movie also. Uh-oh. Any thoughts? I don't know. I like the concept of another blob movie if it's done right. I don't... Yeah, me too. When those two go together, well, do you guys think?

Would they play off each other, or is he going to be too out there? You know? It depends what Sam Jackson, get for that movie. Yeah. Right? Yeah. The one that yells a lot, probably.

Yeah. Tired of this motherfucking blob in my movie theater. Well, and Hallie Berry, you know, I mean, she does a lot of thrillers. I feel like she kind of has played the same role over the past

10 movies that she's done. So, I'm sure will be the same thing on this one. What was the name of that WWE movie she did? Yeah, I know what you're talking about. You play like an operator or something. And the girl was, the girl was locked in the trunk being kidnapped.

Yeah, I can't remember. I know exactly what you're talking about. That was a WWE movie? Yeah. Really? Yeah, WWE Studios. They're wacky that way because they'll basically put in a little bit of money to help produce these movies and then claim it as a WWE studio movie.

Okay. Even though, like, they probably put in like maybe like, like 10% of the film's budget in. So they're kind of wacky that way because their own self-produced movies don't do well at all. So they figure we'll just kind of attach our, well, we'll put in some money in our catcher thing. Exactly. Kind of like with Oculus. Once Oculus became like a success, you know, then all of a sudden it's like, well, we're just going to start doing this more and more often.

And all we're going to do is probably put like one of our Gibroni wrestlers in there for like three seconds. A police officer or a guy getting a chur-o on the street or something. I don't know. Well, yeah, but that's what we're talking about. The 911 operator that she played, she's in that new movie, whatever the fuck it's called. Kidnap. Yeah. I don't know if it's actually out yet, but I watched it.

It's not bad. Pretty good movie, huh? But it's the same shit. shit that she plays. It's exactly like the 9-1-0 operator one. It's just slightly different, but same concept. It's sad when you see it because, like,

I notice it with like a lot of actors once they start getting older. They get, like, pigeonholed into those certain types of roles. Right. And it gets to like now she's playing a certain role, but like in 10 years she'll be playing like the grandmother in like every

movie, kind of like how Robert De Niro was like, the wacky old dad in almost every movie he plays in now. Yeah. Sure. Although she's 50s and still still looks good, yeah. Still smoking hot, huh? She still looks super young, man.

She can still get away with maybe even late 20s if she needed to. Oh, well, let's take it easy there. That's a stretch, Philip. Okay, on to... I do hear you, man. I hear what you come. to our probably biggest news of the week,

a director that we've talked about quite a bit on here. Adam Wingard is going to direct Godzilla versus King Kong. Yeah, I like it until he did the new Blair Witch movie. Oh, yeah. What is this impressed with that one?

What has this gentleman done, by the way? He's done the guest. You're next. And there's something else I'm forgetting. He's done a lot of stuff with He's done a lot of writing And he shows up a lot too And different

He's part of that That mumblecore group Of about five or six directors He's done a lot of like ABCs of death VHS segments Shorter films basically The guest was the What the Joel Egerton film with

No the guest said The guy who plays Legion Dan Stevens Okay And he came Yeah he came back He came to this family And said you know

Hey I served with your son We served together in the military and he died, but he just wanted me to come and tell you how much he loved you, and he was thinking of he has all the time. And then he kind of like worms his way into the family. It's kind of a thriller. It's actually a really good movie. Yeah, if you haven't seen it, then he should check it out, man.

Just called me a guest. He's good with stories, so as long as the writing's good, I think he can pull it off. Yeah, well, he always works with that guy, Simon Barrett. They're like the writing crew. Is Barrett going to be the screenwriter? on this one, Brian, or is he getting away from him? I don't know. I think they might be getting away from each other. I'm not sure, but

then again, they work so closely together. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not attached that he be brought on. Gotcha. Yeah, it's a big time movie, though, man. I imagine that the producers have a whole lot of say and what's going to go on here. They're breaking up with the man. Adam Wingard may not exactly get what he wants. Right. They're putting a lot of faith

into these smaller directors because I can't remember his name. The trick-a-treat director is doing Godzilla. Yes, that's right. We talk about that on the show all the time. Yeah. And we got a still release date on Godzilla versus King Kong May 22nd, 2020.

My birthday. And that is all the news we have. All right. So you were ready to take a little trip to the trailer part? Hell yeah. Okay, the first one we are going to talk about is what the waters left behind, starring Victoria Morete. Okay. Myrita Bousinelli.

Oh, my gosh. Luciano Nicholas Onete. Okay. Italian people that you've never heard of. What is this a Cajallo movie or what? I don't know. No synopsis was on IMDV, no release date. So you guys, what did you think of this one?

Because to me, I kind of felt like I've seen maybe two or three different films that was matched into this one trailer. Oh, I definitely noticed that as well. This movie was like, I was just like, I actually watched the trailer this morning before I went to work. And this trailer was just like bananas. Yeah. I'm watching. And it's like the opening part with the flood, it's like it almost seemed like it was trying to. to be like one of those

those true based on a true story movie kind of like the Phoenix Light movie from a few months ago right docu drama yeah exactly and then all of a sudden it turned into it turned into like the Texas chainsaw massacre yes

either that or a Rob Zombie movie movie you know yeah and there's sex in the trailer on top of that right it was like it was it was it was it was kind of like I said it was like Texas Chainsaw Massacre but when you start

to see all these other villains in the movie it kind of took it and how it started to get a bit ridiculous after it reminded me a Texas chainsaw Massacre 2 Oh right Oh okay And

Basically it was just I was hooked on it actually I'm excited for this movie for when it comes out They had so much They basically threw so much at you in such small doses that it kind of intrigued me. And it was like, I'm kind of down for this movie. Yeah, I was, I was interested in it too.

It did kind of look to me like it was similar to some other stuff we've seen. But, I mean, that's kind of the theme of our podcast every week, you know? I mean, what movie's not similar to something else? But, yeah, I mean, there was enough in there. It got really interesting. At first, it kind of reminded me of, like, the flood after New Orleans. I thought it was going to be kind of like a post-Katrina movie or something like that. But, yeah, once they started getting into the, you know, where they had the people, I guess,

dressed up or whatever, ready to send them to the slaughter. And then like you were saying, the people that were having sex out in the van or whatever. And I don't know, was there like a rape scene toward the end, or was that? I caught that too, yeah. That was kind of weird. I mean, it's got my attention for sure. I'll definitely check it out. I don't think it's an American production.

It looked like it was... No, I think it's Spanish, I think. From the sound of it, some sort of... Some sort of Latin factor in there, yeah, whether it's Italian or Spanish or whatever. I felt like it was a little all over the place. I mean... But hey, the slasher movies are coming back,

and that's definitely what this looks like. and I'll I'll check it out you know it's hard to pass judgment on it so far just because the like I said it was all over the place

but I'll check it out kind of touching on what Lance said you know like when when they're showing the floods at the beginning I thought this was going to be like almost some kind of like a supernatural horror movie that like maybe I don't know some spirits came when the floods came

or the spirits caused the floods and almost sudden it just like you see that like mystery van uh just appear out of nowhere and people are getting high and getting they're fucking each other in there and all of a sudden the guy's wrapping his tape around his head and it's like what the hell is happening? What was that for that? Yeah. It's fucking weird. Okay. I found I found a little bit of what the movie's about the people in the van apparently

are going to this place to shoot a documentary and supposedly nobody survived and there's nobody living in this area. So is it allegedly based on a true story or what? It doesn't say. There's not really much on this movie. You were saying Denny? I'm trying to remember because it's been a long time since I saw the original Texas chainsaw massacre.

What were those kids in the van originally going to do? I thought they were just like going across the state partying or something. Is it just going on a road trip then? As far as I know, it was just like a basic road trip, you know. Okay. So they weren't also going to film a documentary as well. Yeah, it definitely wasn't that. I mean, there was maybe some kind of family function or something like that,

but they were just, they were kind of just kids on the road in the 70s, you know? They may not have even specified. They were just, you know, driving through and got stuck. That's one way to put it. I can't really remember it, but. Didn't they pick up a hitchhiker that ended up cutting herself and just acting crazy? Oh, yeah. I got him into trouble.

I got to go back and watch that. We've got to put that for something. That's a good movie. And the fact you just kept complaining throughout the whole entire ride. Right. Maybe we'll put these two together, Brian. Yeah. Our YouTube video of the week, man, we'll make it happen.

There you go. Yes. Like I said, no release date on this one, but I will keep everyone posted. Let's see. Our next trailer we're going to review is The Monster Project, starring Yvonne Zima, Justin Bruning, Toby Hemingway, and directed by Victor Mathau. Synopsis on this.

A recovering drug addict takes a job with a documentary, another documentary crew. who plans to interview three subjects who claim to be real life monsters. Oh, God. Man, I actually really like the preview for this one. I'm super excited for this. I thought we were done with found footage.

Come on. I like the found footage movies. It has a lot of potential to be trash, but on the off chance that it's good, I mean, I'm definitely going to watch it. This is one of those bad Netflix movies that I will watch matter what, you know? So we'll see, man.

But it looks interesting to me. I don't know. The fact that it's already a found footage thing. And, you know, for me, found footage films are more missed and hit. You know, especially the last one I ever watched. What was that movie called? I think it was called Apollo 18. Yeah.

And that was like the worst movie I had ever seen in my life. I would have to agree with you. What was it called? Apollo 18. It was about like... Apollo 18? Yeah, it was supposedly like the last Apollo mission to the moon where apparently they found something up there.

Oh, man. Oh, right. I remember that. He saw that. Yeah. That was like six years ago. That was the last one. Last one you saw, Denny?

after that I was like Good for you Found footage movies This movie is the worst I would be embarrassed First of all the movie was like what 70 less than 80 minutes long Right

They should be even embarrassed Like the producer should be embarrassed To put that in a theater And call that an actual movie And charge people money to go see it Okay And not only that I'm waiting for something to have

Because I remember when I saw the commercials Like oh man this looks kind of interesting Oh what could they what could be doing And I was so bored throughout the movie. That was the like the alien rocks? Yes. Yeah. Okay, I remember.

The guy touched the rock and it was like, what the hell is going on here? And I was just like, what? It was 70 something minutes. It felt like forever. I hadn't been that. It's very rare where I watch a movie. It's like that's really short that just feels like forever. And one of the last movies I saw like that was actually,

um, uh, don't breathe. and I just, I couldn't get into Don't Breathe. And it just felt so long for such a short running time. And it was the same with that movie. And the fact that we're seeing these people interview, I don't know, a demon and a vampire and a jabroni. What the hell? What is this? Yeah, I'm not, I'm not impressed at all.

Brian, what do you do? Today is so sponsored by WWE. I'm kind of on. same level as Phil. It's probably trash, but it might be something, it might be trashy good. One man's trash is another's treasure, huh? It's worth of risk. Definitely, it's not, it's not something I'll go to the theater and seek out.

I'd definitely be a Netflix pick. Well, let me ask you, do you actually think this movie's going to get a theatrical release? Oh, probably somewhere. No, not here. I'll tell you that right now See that No God no It's gonna be a straight to

Straight to like BOD or Netflix Or some shit like that Maybe it's the actual release in in Kazakhstan or something Yeah right There you go I'll even I'll VOD this one I'd pay $6 to see this man

Six don't want I should just wait till it's like on Netflix Well I don't know I'm just saying it's VOD I don't I don't fucking pay for movies you know I'll watch it. We have something called a dollar cinema here where they play the movies for like 250.

I wouldn't even pay 250 to see this movie. I wouldn't even go see this movie if they paid me 250 to go see. That's even worse. Look, it's got potential to be super creepy. But it's also got potentially trash. So it's hard to say. Well, Phil, have you $6 ready because it's coming out. August 18th.

Done deal. I'm going to watch it. On to something that I'm really interested in. Oates Studio, Volume 1 from Neil Blomcamp. Right. Not really a lot out on this other than the little teaser trailer

they put out. Right. From what I've seen from the trailer, it's going to have Sigourney Weaver, Dakota Fanning. And from what I understand, this is going to be a collection of short films. And he's going to stream them on a gaming platform called Steam. Oh, come on, man.

Are you serious? Yep. Steen is kind of a deal. It's a weird thing to put a movie out on. That's bizarre. Yeah, that's bizarre. It's actually kind of bizarre because the trailer actually looked pretty good. I actually really like the look of the alien in this movie.

And to kind of just be like, well, we're going to make this movie and just release it on, you know, on, we're just going to release it on a streaming site. It's almost like, what a waste. This movie has, it actually has potential. I would, if I would see a little bit more, I might be interested to actually go and pay money to go see this in the theater. I might even pay money to go see it in IMAX or in 3D or some shit. It's got a district nine kind of feel to it.

I feel like. And, I mean, it may just be a big fuck you to Ridley Scott. I don't know. I was kind of wondering, especially when you said Sigourney Weaver, so is Michael Bean in this also? We can only hope. I mean, yeah, Ridley pulled the rug out from under,

Neil, didn't he? Yeah. Stupid name for a fucking movie, let me say, but it looks interesting. What, Oates? What is it called again, Oates One? Oates, one. Well, it's Oates Volume 1,

but I guess he's, his studio that he just recently came out with his Oats studio, so. Okay. I'll definitely check it out. Any chance they might change the name of that eventually to something else? Anything else?

I would highly suspect so. Honey bunches of oats. I think he's just trying to get his studio out there. Holo notes. Cream of wheat, 27. Oh, no. No release date on this one either.

it is due to come out this year. And it's, I was, I was wondering which fanning was in that movie because it's like, it's like, I see L in a lot of movies. No, not like a lot of movies, but I've seen L now in more movies than I've seen Dakota in. Right. And it's good to kind of see Dakota back in a movie again. Yeah, I'm almost certain this is Dakota. They're both pretty good, though.

Like, I like them. I don't know. L left that horrible taste in my mouth. after neon demon. See, I haven't seen. Y'all were talking about that earlier tonight. I still haven't seen that movie. Yeah.

We were talking about, we were talking about neon demon the last time I was on the show, too, by the way. Oh, I think you're right. I think you're right. I thought about that. And I buried that movie six feet under. Right. Back then, huh?

You've seen it right? No, I think I've never watched it because of Denny. But people, I have had some people tell me to check it out, but... Yeah, it's just super slow and it never really gets anywhere. Very artsy. There's been a lot of people talking crazy online lately, but we'll get to that a little bit later. Okay. That's all the trailers we have.

All right, cool. So, Phillip, we got any feedback this week? That's the problem with iTunes reviews is you got to use some kind of a weird, A combination of letters and numbers or something like that because you've got to pick something no one else has. Yeah. And let us know, man, if this is you. It's S.N. Duff Daddy, O1, writes, great podcast. Love hearing what's around the corner for the new stuff as well as the nostalgia factor of discussing older movies.

Great insights and the guys are a lot of fun to listen to. Check that out. I appreciate it, man. Awesome. Cool. Have you guys got a negative review yet on iTunes? No, fuck you, man hasn't. Come on.

But tell us, tell us how that is, did he? Who's Fuku Man or fuck you man or something? The fuck you man, F-U-H-Q-M-A-N, left me a one-star review because he hated the fact that we talk too much and didn't get to the topic right away. Oh, it is a podcast. And I actually got another, the person that I posted on iTunes, he actually sent me a personal message telling me he does not,

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But that's just thinking. It's probably that your buddy you were talking. You just want to say, fuck you, man. Maybe, maybe. If it was my buddy, he'd just probably come to my house, say to my face. Right. Yeah, but that wouldn't be as much of a troll thing. But anyway, hey, got a great podcast.

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Yeah, I probably should have said that at the beginning. A friend of the show, Lars, not feeling quite too good. and we just want to say get better soon. But yeah, definitely get well soon, Lars, man. Appreciate you listening to us and helping us out and being real involved with the show. Lars, who I believe is also a listener of the After Midnight podcast, too. So get better and let us know how you're feeling. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to hear that, Denny, that he's a listener of the After Midnight.

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This week, it's Superhero Week at the Horror Returns. We review the new film Wonder Woman, as well as Captain America, the First Avenger. We'll start out, as always, with some trivia on the Captain America film. Director was Joe Johnston, also known for The Rocketeer, and unfortunately, the Wolfman, the newer one. Have you guys had a chance to catch that one? Is that the one with our boy Benich? That's the one. It wasn't that bad.

Anthony Hopkins was in it. How they managed to fuck a movie up? I don't know. I hated it, man. I don't know. Well, yeah. Unfortunately, though, it seems like Anthony Hopkins is in everything now because I just saw that he's in the new Transformers movie.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, I think he does one of the voices or something, right? No, he plays. He's in the movie. He's in the movie. Oh, no. Okay, well.

Looking for a page. Day. Yep. Turn into Nick, Samuel. Do what? Retirement is expensive. That's right. The writers were Christopher Marcus and

Stephen McPhile, also known for pain and gain. The Avengers... And being Mr. Rogers' mailman, by the way. Is that true? Mr. McPhilee. Is that? I don't know.

You lost me, man. forget it Mr. McPeeley was Mr. Rogers Mailman. Jesus. He's great reference. You're kidding. Oh,

that's a pretty bad name to have on a children's show, don't you think? Yeah, probably. That's what I was thinking. I was going that direction with it. I was like, ah, how do I make fun of this? Because it's going to happen. Oh, man. Well, these two, these two,

I guess, write together a lot because they also wrote the upcoming Avengers Infinity War and Captain America's Civil War as well. Oh, okay.

The Captain America, so probably not the same McPhile that was the mailman, I'm thinking. Well, after Civil War, you probably stopped delivering mail. True. You get jailed.

And after you get put on the child pedophile registry list. The Captain America comic book shown in the movie bears the cover of the actual Captain America number one. Release in, guess what? 1941. Yes.

Stanley Tucci took the role of Dr. Erskine because the role enabled him to use a German accent, which he said he always wanted to do. That's random. And as I'm sure everyone noticed at the Expo, like the World's Fair, Howard Stark demonstrates his semi-functional reversion technology. It's an obvious precursor to Tony Stark's repulsors perfected for his Iron Man armor. They both even have an orange glow when functioning. I'm sure everybody noticed that.

Oh, yeah. The other Easter eggs. So Captain America, the first Avenger, Denny, what'd you think, man? Oh, my God. It's been a few years since I've seen this movie. and I love this movie even more the first time I saw it I'm going to be honest with you guys right now

the ending of this movie did make me shed a tear I was so that the final scene between Steve and Peggy Carter is just so heartbreaking you know because you just want them to be together and they're just talking about, okay, you know, meet me at the dance on Saturday night.

And he's like, well, I don't know how to dance. And she's like, I'll show you. And then it's like, oh, my God. But I love the romance between them. They had such good chemistry. I even love the campiness of some of the scenes where, you know, they really, they really had, they did such a great job of, you know, bringing out, like, a kind of campiness to, or at least an old-time campiness to like World War II,

you know, with him traveling from city to city playing, you know, just the character of Captain America at the beginning. And another thing I loved about this movie, especially because I just saw it a few days ago, skinny-ass Steve Rogers at the beginning of the movie. That CGI is so good. Yeah, really awesome. It still looks great.

And this movie is like, what now, what, six years old? Yeah, at least. At least. Do you guys remember? I don't know if you guys remember this. When this movie first came out, people were worried that Captain America the first Avenger was going to be Marvel's first flop.

I don't remember hearing talk about that. Oh, I remember hearing this. Yeah. Also, because I think they were saying, because it was a period piece. Right. And it wasn't going to work. Right.

Here we are six weeks. Like, what, six, seven years later? and people are still saying this about the next Marvel movie. Oh, this could be Marvel's next flop or this could be Marvel's first big flop. They said that about Captain America. They said that about Guardians. They said that about Ant-Man. They said that about Doctor Strange.

It's like Marvel's firing on all cylinders. Yeah. They could put out a bad movie and they already have, in my opinion, with like Thor the Dark World. Yes. People will still. I agree. People will still pay money to go. go see it. The problem is going to be

when Marvel makes a bad movie and nobody wants to see it anymore. Right. Which is not going to happen. They've got the firepower behind it to overcome any odds. It's like they could do a

suicide squad type thing where the movie is probably not great, but it's still going to make a ton of fucking money. And like even Thor the dark world was not wasn't awful, you know? was definitely watchable. I just, I can't really remember anything about it. Well, I can't remember. All I remember about the dark world was, I went to go see the winter soldier in theater that day.

Uh-huh. Yeah. And I love the winter soldier so much that when I came out, it was like, I went to like the local HMB. Now it's gone. And they had the, um, the dark world there. And I hadn't seen it yet. I was like, you know, I'm going to buy it and watch it tonight. So I bought it and I put it on. And I was so bored throughout the whole movie. I was like, fuck, I should have just turned around and gone to see Captain America again in theaters. But I just love the feel of it. I love the camaraderie.

It's so, the weird thing is they give you this, they give it to you in such short spurts. Because they don't give you like a full relationship between Steve and Bucky. But the time that they do give you, I buy into it. The little time that they

put with Steve and Peggy as love interest, I buy into it. You know, and I think, I don't even know how you, it's probably like you can attribute it to the writing. It's probably you contribute to the charisma and the talent of the actors involved. But this movie, I'm probably going to get a lot of flag for say. This movie is actually probably one of my top five favorite superhero movies of all time.

Yeah. I forgot how good it actually was. Like going back and watching it again, I mean, it was really great. the the the the gai with uh like with with with with skinny captain america it was it was it was it was weird it was definitely fucking weird it was pretty great man i thought it was pretty yeah it was okay it was weird it didn't it didn't totally distract me it was just weird you know what i mean it was it was just different aside from that man i think it got maybe a little bit long uh in the middle but a lot of that was storyline stuff you know

they could have probably easily stretched this into two movies if they wanted to but it was pretty incredible man i just i forgot how good this movie was i think i liked it a lot because it was a period piece and i'm not really i've never really been a captain america fan i've always thought he was kind of you know cheesy do-gooder guy and uh that just it worked in this one because that was a time in America when when that's what you needed you know we were at war and everybody wanted to be there to help you know to to do something instead of sitting around doing nothing and not only that's to be selfless like he was because yes you know I I love that there's I love the scene where him and Stanley Tucci are talking he's like why do you want to kill

Nazis. And he's like, I don't want to kill anyone. I just don't like bullies. Yeah, like, it was so good. And then the scene where they threw the grenade and he threw himself on top of it to prove that he was the right choice. Yeah. That scene took

me out of it a little bit. I thought that was a little cheesy. I thought, okay, they're in training. They're not going to throw a live, fucking grenade. That's kind of a stupid training mission there. Well, no, I knew that was going to happen, but the point was that the soldier that Tommy Lee Jones, wanted was the first one to run from the scene.

And just to show how selfless Steve Rogers was, he threw himself on top of it. Kind of even telling Peggy to get back. And I love that Tommy Lee Jones, you could see the expression on his base like, it's like, fuck, this is the guy that they want. This is the guy that's half to take. I got you. I just found it to be a little heavy-handed. Yeah, I like that whole buildup, you know, the whole introduction of a skis.

any Steve Rogers all the way from boot camp because it just really showed you the type of person he was. I even like the scene with the, I even like the scene with the flagpole. Oh, yeah. And that was great too because it showed that, you know, for all these guys. He showed his ingenuity. His ingenuity, yeah, because these guys are like, okay, well, they get a free ride. So they're, you know, they're doing it with, with Braun.

They're not thinking. and Steve just kind of like being a bystander and seeing what to do, okay, well now everyone's gone. Let me pull the pin and take the flag. Right. And he gets to ride with Peggy Carter, so it's all good. He's the tough as nail skinny kid that does the right thing. When nobody else will do the right thing, he's going to be the guy that does the right thing.

And I like that. I like that they put him as a hero in this. I thought he did amazing in it. I love this movie. Another thing I liked was I liked Hugo Weaving as Red Skull. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I really hope.

He was chained up the scenery, man. I really hope the rumors are true that he's coming back in Infinity War. Oh, I would love that because one thing that one thing that I loved about, there's so many things I loved about this movie. One thing I love in like a superhero movie in general is, when the hero defeats the villain, but the villain doesn't die. Right.

Yeah. Because it gives you that opportunity to return back because now the villain could be more menacing because the villain has gotten his ass whipped by the hero. So now he's going to come out even harder. And I always hate in superhero movies when the hero kills the villain at the end because it's like you could get so...

Look at, okay, Batman and... Batman 89. Batman kills the Joker at the end of the movie. Batman and the Joker have been fighting for, 40 years and you're telling me now they couldn't even get past one movie without that. Yeah, he just kind of let me call, didn't he? Yeah, and it was like, fuck, you could have gotten, you could have gotten at least five movies out of the Joker, you know? Well, and however many aliens you bring down that are bad guys or whatever, you're not going to get more evil than an evil Nazi that's worse than Hitler, you know?

That guy is the ultimate bad guy. Yeah, because you get the explanation. When he takes the serum, what's bad becomes worse. And I love the fact that when he still has, like, his regular face on, he's always kind of adjusting on the side. It was such a nice touch. The way it's like you kind of, like, when you look at his eyes, you can kind of see, like, the redness of the lids already. Right. And when Steve kind of punches him for the first time, you see them go down a little bit lower.

So you know that the real face is under there. I had forgotten about that until I watched it. And it was, this was a great one to go back and watch because I had forgotten so many things about it. Oh, you know, I haven't loved the fact that like Armand Zola that what a little, what a little wimp this guy is,

you know, as soon as he starts to feel a little bit of pressure, he's like, oh, hail hydra, you know, because he knows like, he knows the red skull is going to kill him. So he's,

he's got to worm his way out of it. And you know, and the fact, like, especially when the Red Scult leaves him behind. Remember, like, he's like, he's going to get on the plane? Yeah, he's like, well, where am I supposed to go? And he hands on the keys like, not a scratch. Right. That was a great moment. That was funny.

He go, I love the scene, the imagery of when they're marching back to the camp after after three days, once he breaks all the guys out, you know, and you get to meet his, you know, and they form his battalion after. Yeah, the howling commandos. Exactly. I love that stuff. I remember reading those comic books now. Yeah, I like how they... I like how they brought them back for the Agent Carter show, too.

I never watched that. Obviously, that was a period piece too, right? The show? Yeah. Is this supposed to take place like, what, 10 years later? Actually, it happens not too far after this movie ends. Because she goes... Basically, it's the start.

of Shield. She gets sent to work for this agency where you know, at the time at the times women weren't really looked upon to do anything and she just basically was a glorified secretary. And that's pretty much how the show starts.

I do believe it starts right after this movie ends. Or does it start right after the, didn't they do I remember them doing a one shot with her, a Marvel one shot on one of their DVDs? You're right. You're right. Yeah. Where she was supposed to be a second.

or something like. Yeah. Another person who I think is like very underrated in this movie or at least doesn't get the attention he deserves is Dominic Cooper. Because I enjoyed him so much as Howard Stark and his little interactions with Peggy and Steve, especially when they're like talking about fondue and he's like, ah, it's bread and cheese, you know? There's a ton of Easter. Yeah. And you know, it almost makes me. space in this movie. It almost makes me sad because it's like he was so good as Howard Stark.

Right. That I would actually kind of like to see Dominic Cooper as if how, if Robert Downey Jr. ever leaves, I would actually like to see him as Tony. Yeah. I mean, that might be a little awkward changing from, you know, from one actor to another, but it's going to happen eventually, right? I mean, yeah, he's, you know, they're talking about it all the time. I mean, I like, I like seeing him play preacher right now. I think he does good in that role. Actually, I think everything he's and has been really good. Did you go see the movie that he was in where he, he played like a body double of,

um, what, uh, so that was the same son? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, it wasn't the devil's something. The devil's double, right? Yeah, that movie was dope. Really good movie. I had to check that out.

I'd remember, he's a great actor. He can play just about any part. Um, but he's a great actor, but he also so under the radar because he just, he just seems to fly under the radar moment. like all the time because you think so

I do because like you hear people talk about them like we listen to the binge cast they kind of they like they like Dominic Cooper also but like outside like when you're talking amongst friends most people don't even know who Dominic Cooper is. You know yeah you don't think Preacher is making him a bit more

I don't even think so because I've already I've already fallen off Preacher and it's kind of like he's like he's really good in him but I'm not digging that show and it's like fuck I wish Dominic Cooper could do something better I wish this guy could be like, this guy should be like a megastar right now. Well, this guy should be like, this guy should be somebody's the new it guy in Hollywood.

People should be like throwing scripts at him and not just fucking letting him drown on like, you know, an HBO series. Yeah. You're getting two or three things that you lead in before. They were really going to know your name. Like Mark Ruffalo wasn't, you know, a super known actor until not too long ago. Yeah, I'm looking at Dominic's filmography. He's got some misses here after this movie.

Uh-huh. You did Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. Oh, yeah. Right, I remember that. Yeah. Neat for Speed. Oh, yeah. Well, he was actually pretty good in that. The movie just sucked. I haven't seen that one. Dracula told.

Oh, the one with Luke Evans. Yeah, and he was also in Warcraft. Well, then somebody just fired their agent, then. Okay, well, yeah, he needs a new agent. Yeah, he's definitely been in Smiths because that much he's terrible. What did you guys think about all the side characters in the Howling Commandos? Marita and Dum Dum Dugan and those. Did you think all those characters were right on point?

Dumb Dugan, yeah. He looked exactly like, they acted exactly like anybody would act like in 1942. You know, I loved that line of like where they were, when Steve Rogers was freeing them all and he was like, oh, we're freeing everybody and the dude was like, well, I'm from Fresno, California. Yeah. So I love the characters.

For me, like the selling point, I didn't think when the first time I watched that movie, like I said, I was getting misty-eyed at the end with Peggy and Steve. I didn't think they would be able to do that again. But fuck, man, they did that again in the Winter Soldier. with her Alzheimer's, and they're having that conversation and she has that attack of it.

Right. I kept waiting for that scene at the end of this. I'd forgotten it wasn't in this movie. Dude, when I saw that in the Winter Soldier, it just broke my heart in the theater. Right. And I was like, fuck, I don't think that...

That was so bad. I'm so glad that they actually did, like, for, like, Civil War. They didn't actually show we're dying that you just got the call and you see it at the funeral. Yes. Because, dude, like, you can't...

I don't think they could. I don't know, man. It's so heartbreaking. They set it up so nicely. Like everything in this movie feels like it's for a reason, you know, later on in all of the Avengers movies and all of the other Marvel movies. Fucking take note, DC, this is how you do it. And don't betray the characteristics.

Because what we love about, especially, in the series is that and even in the comic books especially in the Brue Baker comic books is that Cap is a man out of his time you know everyone he knows is gone he's still used to like the way

America was in the 40s and to wake up like in current time and all that is gone but he doesn't betray his principles is outstanding I love that about the character and I hate what you

kind of see what DC. I enjoy the DC movies to an extent, but it's like, I wish they would kind of do that with the bigger names that they have. We kind of see it with the movie that we're going to talk about later. You should be doing that with all the characters, not, don't try to reinvent Superman and Batman and the Green Lantern and the Flash. Just stick to the basics because that's what drew the people in in the first place. And that's what I loved about this, the, the, Captain America movies, they, they, they, they stuck with that, that core principle from 1941 of him just going over there, fighting Nazis, trying to track down Hitler and all that stuff, fighting the red skull. And they, they, they didn't betray it. Because, um,

because maybe DC's, you know, thing, line of thinking as well, uh, it's, it's not going to get over it today because, you know, what's so passeh, but that's, the problem is that that, that's what drew people in in the first place. Like when I read comic books now, I hate what they're doing in The Amazing Spider-Man right now because Peter Parker now is basically Tony Stark-Light.

He's a playboy. Well, he's not a playboy, but he's a billionaire, entrepreneur, and he's, you know, what people loved about that character was that Peter Parker was a lovable loser.

Right. You know, no matter how great Spider-Man was, you know, Peter Parker was the one who couldn't pay the bills, had a hard time keeping a job, had a hard time

keeping a relationship because Spider-Man kept getting in the way. And now it's like, well, no, that's kind of Pat. You know, Marvel's kind of like, well, fuck what the old fans think. It's Pass-say, we're going to do something new. We're going to make him a billionaire. And he's going to have all this money and all this technology. And it's like, well, I don't want that. Because I, the reason why I love that character was because there was something about him

that drew me to him. There's something about him that I could relate to. It's the same thing what Steve Rob. Rogers. There's something in that character you could relate to, so why change it? Yeah. Well, they kept it really close to the comic books from what I remember reading. I mean, you guys, I think probably, Denny, I know you read a lot more comics than I do. Were they pretty spot on as far as keeping the character the same as he was in most of the comics? Pretty much. And like I said, that's the best part because they kept it to the basics.

And they never, they stuck to what people loved about the character. They didn't betray it. You know, there's a reason why people love Superman because he, you know, people make jokes. He's like an overgrown, you know, Boy Scout. And he always does what's good. And he doesn't want to, he's here to help mankind. It's not here to do whatever. And when you watch Man of Steel and it's like, they kind of go that way, but then it's like, no.

One thing that still bothers me is when I watched, because like I guess, I did enjoy Batman versus Superman. But one thing that always bothered me was like when he goes and sees his mother. And his mother, Martha always gives him like the right advice. Right. And in this movie, she's kind of telling him, well, forget what the world says. You don't owe them anything. And it's like, what?

Martha Kent would never say that. No kidding. You know, Jonathan Kent would never like, remember like in Man of Steel when they were like, when Jonathan Kent's like, well, well, Clark asked him, well, should I have let them die and Jonathan Kent's like, I don't know, maybe. Jonathan Kent would never, ever, ever say that in a comic book. Sure. You know, Paul Kent was a good noble man.

He would never, I understand they're trying to update and make, like, you show like how I guess maybe tormented he is about the situation. Right. But the character would never say that. And that's why people, that's why people would always, they always like, who was the name of the dude who played? Paw Kent in the first Superman movie. Kevin Costner.

No, no, no, no. The Donner movie was also a big name actor. Bo Duke? Yeah, well, that's the TV show. That's what I was thinking of. Tom Wolpat. Tom Wolpat played podcast. Was it Tom Lopez? No, it wasn't Tom Lopez?

But the point is, though, like, they kept, they stayed to the characteristics in Captain America, the first Avenger. That's what made the movie work. And I think maybe I think there's The movie was a success Glenn Ford

Glenn Ford, there we go. The movie was a success and I think it's probably because I think there's a good portion of the public that probably would love if life and maybe even America

would kind of go back to that again if we had more people like Steve Rogers maybe yeah I would agree like a generation where Steve Rogers wasn't an exception, he was the norm. Right. Whereas now Steve Rogers is an exception to the rule.

You know what I mean? Sure. Yeah. But, you know, even if it even really was that way, you know, how much of this is just nostalgia, you know? And I mean, I'll tell you what I like about the, this movie, though, is that they really made it feel like a comic book. Like when you're watching the movie, it seemed like it, I noticed that when they were at the World's, Fair of the Expo. When they were zooming in on it, it was real

surrealistic looking. It was almost like it was Art Deco. It was like old time Hollywood. I really loved it. Yeah, I like that and I like the way that they made the characters just exactly the way you guys are describing it. So,

you know, whether that they call that the greatest generation back then, whether they really were like that or not, they definitely got it down in this movie for sure. You guys ready for ratings? Oh, I am. Denny, you went first, right? Yeah, I'm going to give this movie,

I would give this movie a very high eight, very close to a nine. That's good. I loved it that much. Good score, man, yeah. Favorite superhero movie or top five for sure, huh? Top five, and I would even go on to say that the Captain America series has even surpassed, like the Nolan Batman trilogy as my favorite. Wow.

Because these movies has just gotten better and better and better as they go along. And it's getting to the point where it's like, it's like, do I want another Captain America movie? Because the first three have been so great. They've been so amazing. I'm scared if they draw, like, I'm scared if this franchise falters, even a little bit. I'm afraid that they're going to put out, you know, a good movie and not a great movie.

Right. Yeah. You sound like those people that are, you know, betting on the next Marvel flop or something. You're just worried, huh? Well, not even worried about that anymore. Because now it's like, okay, I understand like where, I know Marvel has a formula.

So now it's like the only thing that would probably cause it to not succeed is people's like fear of the unknown. Right. People won't know what a doctor strange is. People wouldn't know what the Guardians of the Galaxy is, but people flock to it. So now Marvel's in that position where it's like, well, you know what? We could just pretty much start pushing anything we want, you know?

Well, at least the movie series, the cinematic universe can. I don't know about the comic universe anymore, but. I think a Howard the Duck reboot is definitely overdue, guys. What do you think? Is George Lucas involved in this again? I'd watch it. Yeah, I'm kind of right there with you. I'm going to give it an 8.5.

This one was better than I remembered it. It was definitely worth the rewatch. I love Chris Evans. I love origin stories in general, but the Captain America origin story was pretty great and in a time where I think we needed it. It was good, man. Definitely go back and check it out.

I'm going to give it an eight. I like the story. I like the, I like the, Like I said before, the whole buildup before he even became Captain America. I liked Hugo weaving as a villain. Like I said, bring him back. And Peggy Carter's the shit. Oh, my God.

Very little bad I can say about this movie. I really enjoyed it. It was a really fun ride from beginning to end. Like you guys said, they keep it really close to the comics. It's actually Captain America. They don't try to change him. I guess the only complaints I would have is it, I don't know, I kept getting a feel that they were kind of ripping off Raiders of the Lost Ark in a few different spots. They had a couple of similar deaths to that.

Like the beginning, well, I kind of like the beginning, though. It's sort of like where they found him in the ice, buried in the ice. That's where I kind of first got that Raiders of the Lost Ark. You know, kind of that sense of wonder, like an archaeological type feeling. And then there were maybe a few scenes that I felt looked too much like it. But, ah, hell, give Joe Johnson is due. I mean, he made a hell of a good movie here. I'll give it a strong 7 out of 10.

Someone's trying to be against the grain here. No, 7's great, man. Seven's excellent, man. You know, it's 7 out of 10 is not a bad score at all. Wonder Woman, which is the new film, which D.C. is hoping to finally have one that's worth the shit. Although, you know, I guess some people like the Man of Steel movie, and it sound like Denny, you liked Batman v. Superman, which actually, She was almost made it to my bottom five of the year last year, actually.

And some like Suicide Squad, although our buddy on the show with us, Jack Falvey didn't like it at all. No, he hated not. You hate it as well. That was fun. You know what? Looking back, I like it less and less. You know, I thought it was kind of middle of the road at the time, but now I'm kind of thinking, ah, really wasn't that great. But I digress.

The director of Wonder Woman is Patty Jenkins. Also known for Monster. Yep, the same one with Charlize Theron. And also many episodes of the TV show The Killing. A writer was Alan Heinberg. And now, this is going to be weird for a horror podcast. He's also known for Gray's Anatomy, the O.C., and Sex and the City. Oh, Gray's Anatomy has been my not cool of the week for the past fucking forever,

because my wife will not be watching it. Oh, you're stuck, huh? Oh, well, hopefully he does better here. Kobe Smolders was briefly considered for the role of Wonder Woman. Of course, Smolders went on to voice the character in the Lego movie, and she also appears in the Marvel Cinematic Universe's Agent Maria Hill. In 2005, Angelina Jolie was offered the chance to play the lead role, but she declined. Thank you.

In 2015, she was considered to direct it. Uh, this is actually the second comic book film to have a female director. Uh, any idea, guys, what the first one was? Uh, I know what it is. Okay, what is it? Punisher Warzone. You got it. With Lexi Alexander.

I love that movie. Okay, cool. Well, so since you got that one, you want to, and you're our guest, you want to get started here? Um, I want to say I love this movie. Like, a lot of people are online losing their mind over this movie, calling it, As some people have said, the best, even better than the Dark Night. But this movie was, I liked it. And that's all I could really say about it.

This movie was, honestly, how can I say this? DC has come over, they've come under fire for the last couple of years because a lot of people find their movies a little too convoluted. Yeah, not to mention always dark, right? Everybody always says the DC Universe. tries to be dark and edgy. This movie to me is like, after I watched it, it was like

the safest basic origin story that I've seen thousands and thousands of times already. Oh, come on. And it's not that, no, and it's not a bad thing. I could see maybe DC being like, you know what? A lot of people like the Wonder Woman

character out of the movie, out of Batman and v. Superman. We don't want to mess this up now. How can we not mess this up? Let's take this back to basics and just tell a basic, paint by numbers, uh, origin story and it works. But what it doesn't, and I liked it. I enjoyed it for the most part. It's just the fact that people are just losing their minds over it now. And it's it, it almost has me worried how people are going to react because people, we're all like this. Okay. When, when an origin story comes out, we love it at first. Remember like the,

first Spider-Man movie in 2002. We all went nuts for it. But then like two years later, people, we were all kind of like, you know, Spider-Man was, the first movie was okay. And I have a feeling it's, I have a feeling it's going to be the same with this movie, where everyone's going nuts for it now. Right. But about two years' time, everyone's like, it was all right.

Yeah, I, uh, I disagree, man. I think what I like, I like what you say about that. And that's, there's some very good insight, Denny. But I don't know, man. I think it goes a little further. I think, first of all, that the character interaction in this movie was really good. I don't think you could have gotten a better actor than Chris Pine to play the part of the part. I agree. I love him.

I mean, in fact, we were in the movie theater, and I think there was a line she said about, are you like an average man? And he goes, he goes, above average. And I yelled out, Kirk, and the whole theater just broke up into laughter. I mean, Chris Pine was perfect for this spot. say this. At our screening there was a woman. I posted this on Facebook, kind of got into a

discussion about this with someone else. A woman who, obviously the theater was packed and there was a lot of young girls there, like very young girls, like parents bringing like five-year-old kids there. Yeah. We took our six-year-old granddaughter. I brought my four-year-old.

There was a woman there after that above-average joke. Right. And all the penis innuendo. I saw it. heads lift up from their seat and walk out of the theater and never come back. Oh no. Really? I didn't get that at all, man.

And I under, I could, I'm in Canada. I can almost understand it for a little bit because this, right? This movie has so much hype and so much, um, there's, there's people have invested so, like literally invested so much personally into this, especially for young girls. Yeah, but what movie is not like that? Which I think is amazing. And maybe, you know, D.C. was, D.C. probably should have thought of something where it's like, well, if we want this movie to be for all, you know, for all girls, for all women, but specifically for young girls to give them hope, right? Well, if you're going to have a movie that's kind of aimed for young girls, you probably shouldn't be putting in penis jokes and sexual innuendo.

I didn't even catch that as a penis joke, man. No, like that at all. the innuendo. Yeah, there was some innuendo there, but I didn't, I thought it went over the, went over the heads of most, most of the kids in, in our theater. It might go over the, it might go over the heads of kids. Mm-hmm. But for a protective mother or father, it's not going to go over their heads.

And that's why I'm thinking maybe, that's why I find it kind of weird. It's like they played it safe throughout the, for most of the movie and then to kind of throw that in there. Throw some stuff in there like that. Exactly. I don't know. I had more of a problem. they had in our

theater one of the trailers was there's a new movie with Kate McKenna and rough time or something like that they should be rough night before this yeah yeah there was like F bombs and all this shit and I'm like

stupid dude I just brought my fucking kids to see this what the hell we also we didn't get the trailer for that but we got a red band trailer for another risque movie. I think we got one for, I think we got the,

like, a red band trailer for baby driver. And it's like, they have some, like, curses in there. And like, there's kids here,

actually. Why would, why would you put the, why would you attach this trailer to this movie? It makes no sense. There was a line in that trailer that we're talking about,

we're going to get some dick tonight. And I'm like, what? Oh, boy. No. Fuck. So back, so back to the movie.

Yeah. No, all right. So here's my, here's my takeaway on it. I thought, I thought for the most part that most, that most of the characters in the movie were spot on. I probably could have done without Robin Wright, but that's probably because I'm thinking her as Claire Underwood. So, you know, I had that in my mind watching the House of Card show. Denny Houston, you talk about chewing up the scenery. I don't think anybody could have been better.

David Dueless was awesome in the character he played, the kind of milked. toast guy that didn't want to really do anything there. And I don't know. I just thought that the set design, I thought that the costumes, I thought that her costume actually looked like a real superhero costume. And that's what really has bothered me about a lot of the superhero, especially the DC. See, I saw a trailer for the Justice League.

And so you've got Cyborg who's basically just looks like a cartoon. hanging out with a bunch of people. It's almost like a Roger Rabbit thing. There's so much fucking CGI. Yeah. DC just has not been able to get the costumes right in my mind. And this time they did. I just love the look of this movie.

I thought the acting was really good and I enjoyed it a lot. Well, man, I'm not mad at the DC costumes for the most part. But this one, I thought, for as much flack as I've heard from, you know, it being too, Too sexy and too girly or whatever. I thought that Galgado kicked ass in this movie, man. That scene, it's one that they show in the trailers where she slides in on her knees and she's like taking shit out with her sword. Great scene.

I loved it. It was, this was Captain America, but with the chick. is exactly what he was. How about that for the for the blue the blue ray cover art, Danny?

Right. It might send all your complaints and emails to Hill & Tennessee at Am I

Lawrence? But I love that I love that it was like a female empowered role, you know, and she kicked

ass in this movie Galgado was a great choice for Wonder Woman, man. She looked awesome. There was a couple scenes where she had like her arms weighed the fuck back and sticking her boobs out that was

kind of weird. I mean, I'm sure it was intentional, not necessarily up to her, but aside from that, I think it was a very female empowered movie. I love that there was a scene where, because it was a very eclectic cast, you know what I mean? They had like a whole bunch

of different races. There was like an Indian guy and like Native American guy. And then there was a like a, maybe Middle Eastern, I don't know. Irish dude or something. Oh, yeah. Strongly Scott. Irish guy. Yeah.

But then there's like the Middle Eastern guy or something with he's got like a fez. Right. And there's a scene where he's talking about, you know, he really wanted to be an actor. That's kind of like, it's kind of like the Howling Commandos. It was just kind of like a kind of like a, a rogues. gallery of different characters there that they got together, you know? Right. Yeah.

I actually liked it more than the Howling Commandos because they explain, you know, you got a little backstory on them, which was letting her know that this world is not what you think it is. Right. Especially with him. I don't know. Well, we're going to get into spoilers with that. Mm-hmm. But I like that whole scene, the interaction with him and the, what's the guy, Chief?

Right. Yeah. And he was explaining about his people. and yeah, I liked all that right there. That stuff was super cool. And I love that they still had the, you know, the white guy in there, Chris Pine, who like... The white guy. Like, Chris Pine was amazing in this movie.

I think it was as good as Captain America. I think it was, like I said, basically the same movie. It was just the DC version of it and with Wonder Woman. great use of great use of music I love the Wonder Woman theme yes thing with the big drums and stuff

that's super cool right I did think the for for 2017 I thought that the special effects were a little bit cheesy um I didn't really

I didn't really find the special I noticed that like the at the no man's land battle when she kind of steps off the last and she was walking into the field. It looked kind of CGI. Okay.

Right. It almost looked like she was like in some kind of a music video or something. If you're going to go that route, go like full 300 and make it a fucking like comic book type movie. That would be cool. I think that they should have done that here. They didn't do that. They just had a few CCI scenes that were kind of goofy, like where she's jumping way the fuck up in the air.

Like it doesn't look weird now, but I'm telling you, go back and watch that and find years you're going to be like ah that's i don't know yeah but i know what you're getting at philip because the rest of the movie most of the scenes in the movie they went out of their way to almost kind of make it look real and that's what i like about the set design so much whereas we were saying with the the captain america movie they they sort of gave it that art deco look and made it kind of look like you were watching a comic book this looked more like you were watching a historical drama a total fight yeah so i can see how that's kind of jarring for you but i thought the

fight scenes themselves were magnificent in this movie. I thought Galgado's fight scenes were amazing. Like I said, that scene where she came in swinging with the sword was on top of it. Talking about where she broke through the window well. Yeah.

Okay. Never is what she kind of slices the the, um, the, um, the, whatever the fucking stand or something in the middle of the room. Yeah, yeah. Where she's like sliding in on her knees and it's, it's, it's the one that they show in the previews and all the

reviews. And, you know, like, that whole scene is pretty amazing. It's a big bad ass fight with Galgado. I don't want to get too. I did like the, the, the, when she need the dude out the window, which we see in all the commercials now, but I thought that was pretty dope, too. Right. Yeah, no spoiler there. We've seen it 100 times, right? Well, and I was going to go into a different scene, but I won't do that because we're not in spoilers yet. There's nothing wrong. There's literally nothing wrong with this movie. I just thought it was a little safe. I did love Gal Gadot. Fair enough. I thought she was, I thought she, we were talking about how Steve Rogers kind of, you know, they didn't betray his characteristics. And they did the same thing here.

It was like the Wonder Woman in the current line is kind of known for, at least in previous, you know, arcs is known for her, you know, love and compassion. And I thought they nailed that here. Right. And I love the chemistry between. Oh, yeah, for sure. Pine and Godot. I thought, like you said, Pine was like really good.

This is probably like outside of like the first Star Trek movie, like the best thing I've ever seen like Chris Pine. Yeah, and he said some pretty good roles. Yeah, I've seen him in like, uh, yeah, I've seen him in Unstoppable in the finest hour,

but, um, I really bought him here. There's a few things I have issues with this movie. One, I have a few too, but I have to wait on mine. Uh, I, well, first off, I was, I don't know if you, but I kind of saw the ending of this movie coming from like a mile away. Well, the villain. Yeah, we'll get it. We'll get it.

We'll get it. We'll get some spoilers, guys. But not only that, and I felt they kind of underused Dr. Poison. You know, Dr. Poison had such a good look. And I, the few times she was on screen, I was actually like, I was like, I'm enjoying, I'm enjoying her performance here. But they didn't, I think, barely even used her throughout the whole movie. movie.

Yeah. And I said the same thing. Denny, when we get in the spoils, I'm going to ask you a question, a little rumor I heard online about her character. Well,

Brian, what else did you have to say about the movie before spoilers, man? You guys said it all. I mean, I loved it,

personally. I was sold on Galgado playing Wonder Woman from Batman v. Superman. Yeah. She kicks ass through this movie.

I pretty much liked. There's not a lot I could say that I didn't like about this movie. I liked everyone in it. I did have issues with the villain and the way that played out. Yeah, Dr. Poison was underused in this.

I felt like she was just kind of thrown in there and then there was really no point to her character. But Chris Pine was great. And yeah, you guys pretty much said it all. I will say one more thing. Themiscarra at the beginning of the movie, the first 20 minutes. was beautiful.

Yeah. It was like literally like the whole time they were on screen there, it was almost like the whole movie theater. You would have thought that like they didn't even turn off the house lights yet. It was that bright in the theater. And it almost kind of sucks once they get to London. And they kind of make a joke about that too. When they get to London and Chris Pine's like,

yep, this is beautiful London. And she's like, it's hideous. And it's like, man, I wish they could have stayed in the mascara for a little bit longer. You know? I wasn't ready to leave there yet. I would have to find that place. Well, maybe they'll make a spin-off movie if this one does well enough, you know? All right.

Send that email to Philip Hennessy at the horror returns by the doctor. What's you scored, any? I'm going to give this a seven and a half on 10. It's good. Very good. Like I said, it's higher than I thought you'd generate it. I enjoyed it a lot. I enjoyed it for the most part.

I have like literally like, I'll get into. What I kind of disliked about this movie in the spoiler, in the spoiler section, it wasn't enough to kind of deter, but like I said, I felt like it was a little safe, and I felt like that final act kind of fell off. Yeah, well, I guess I'll go next. I give, I give this movie 8.5 and definitely strongly in contention for top five of the year. And probably second favorite superhero movie ever after Iron Man. Oh, shit. Wow. So you really liked it. Yeah, I really enjoyed this. Dude, I'm going to give it an 8.5, too.

Like I said, I think it's, with the exception that Captain America did it first, it's the same movie. It doesn't make it bad. It's awesome. I love it. What about Brian? Oh, I didn't know you were finished. I am also going to give it an 8.5. I loved it. I loved Galgado in it. it's already greenlit for a sequel with Patty Jenkins

she signed on for what another two yep and it is on track to break 100 million over the weekend wow good all right this should have been the first fucking one man they should have done this one before they did any of that other bullshit they came out yeah it is it is it is what it is you know we are and retrospects but

It is what it is. All right. So that's it for our scores on this one. And this time, Denny, I think you went a little bit against the grain. It sounds like, huh? It sounds like I think we switch places here. It's all good, man. It's all good.

So, and I think we both, it's safe to say all of us enjoyed both movies quite a bit, right? Yes, very much. And that's all that matters. I will say, though, this. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler. alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. I don't know how you guys were, like, especially in my cinema, I had a lot of supposed, you know, quote-unquote hardcore Wonder Woman fans, and a lot of

once the movie ended, a lot of people just kind of left the theater silently. Yeah, didn't stand up in fear or anything like that. Nobody stand up and cheered. Nobody, nobody went nuts for the, you know, the action scenes. It was just so quiet in there. And it's almost like people didn't even know what to make of the movie. It's almost, that's the issue that I had with it. It's like a lot of people that I see that they're acting, it's almost like they're having some kind of a religious experience.

And it's like, especially with the audience, like, I don't think they knew what to make of the movie. I think maybe they were expecting more. All right. So we're, with the hype that was surrounding it. So we're getting into spoilers here now, right? Yeah. Yeah. This is the spoiler alert. All right. So there at the ending, you're saying it was just kind of like it was a letdown or something like that, or you just kind of get that feeling?

I got the feeling that people just didn't know what to. I think maybe they expect more. Right. Exactly. And that's why it's like, I think it's not a bad move for DC to play this safe at this point. Because if this woman, if the Wonder Woman movie failed, therefore it was just. a movie that everyone just kind of shit on like they did with Batman and be Superman and Suicide Squad. Right.

The DC Cinematic Universe would be finished because there's nothing else to do. It's like, you know, Wonder Woman Superman and Batman is the Holy Trinity for DC. And if they can't get these characters over in the cinematic universe, then it's finished. It's wasted. You might as well scrap everything and start over. So I'm glad that they kind of got it right here. and like I said, I don't fault them for playing it safe. I actually think, like, in hindsight,

even though it kind of hindered a bit of my enjoyment, I think it's the best move for DC in the long run. And I wouldn't be surprised if maybe for the next movie that they have planned, if it's Flash or whatever, if they kind of go the same route too and kind of play it safe. Okay. I hope they do. This is an awesome one.

I think that's supposed to be Aquaman, right? Aquaman or whichever. I wouldn't even be surprised if maybe for the next Man of Steel film, they start to bring it back to basics for the character and make him the character that everybody knows and loves instead of the dark brooding guy. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see that. Yeah. Well, and I think going back to the end of the theater experience, you know, Marvel has kind of messed that up for everybody. Because anytime you see a big blockbuster movie, what do you do? you stay around till after the credits, right?

These people are walking out as soon as the credits started going up. Well, DC doesn't have any after credits shit. Yeah, they don't have stingers. Well, they should have, they should have had it for this one because, you think that they should. I think that even though you probably don't want to steal it from Marvel, I think it has to be the norm now. Because people get pissed when they're not there sometimes. But it's not only that, Justice Lee comes out in five months from now. Yeah.

And this is a movie that people are shitting on. already because of the constant reshoots and stuff like that, I would have thrown something in at the end to kind of, we got to see that well, of course they should have. We saw that at the end of Captain America, the first Avenger. I don't think they did it because they

tried it in Suicide Squad and it was fucking stupid. No, but like do you remember like at the end of the first Avenger once the closing credit ended and they had the trailer for Avengers? They didn't even have that. They could have just done something to kind of get people.

You know, if people enjoyed this movie, if they were, you know, if everyone went in, they loved the fuck out of this movie, they would have been, you know, hopeful at the end of the movie and probably would have been more receptive to a Justice League trailer. Yes, I would agree. Yeah, they should have done that. I thought they were going to tie it in also. You know, but I was also disappointed with the way that they ended in Iron Fist. I thought they were going to tie that into the defenders. It's like, what are they thinking? These superhero team movies are coming right up, you know?

Right. They need to prime the pomp a little bit. You got to have some Easter eggs in there, you know? I agree. Captain America was chalk fucking full of them. Absolutely. Well, I'm guessing the Easter egg was supposed to be the note from Bruce Wayne at the beginning of the movie. Of course.

Yeah, I know. They had that a little bit, but that was it, you know? There was supposed to be a minor one. I didn't catch it. Aquaman's Trident. Was somewhere in the film? Maybe what in the museum? London, huh?

Oh, in the museum? That would make sense. Although, if it's in the museum, he doesn't have it. So maybe he'll have to bust it out of the museum or something, huh? How did you guys feel about the reveal of the villain? That's what I was going to say. The minute I saw David Thuleus on screen, I thought that fucking asshole is going to turn on him. I actually did not see that coming.

How could you not see that coming? don't know. I don't know. And normally I'm the guy that does see it coming. The German general or whatever. When he popped up, I was like, this guy is the bad guy? Really? He's Aries. Yeah, the The werewolf from Harry Potter was definitely going to be the villain. I know. Ah, he's

fucking, come on. The weird motherfucker with the mustache. Come on. That's Aries. That's because I, you know, because I thought the guy that everybody, that they were making everybody think was the villain. That was too on the nose Right. I wanted the chick to be Aries.

I wanted it to be female empowered Big badass good guy and female empowered Big Badass Bad Guy. That would have been perfect. And they fucked that up because she was barely in the goddamn movie.

Speaking of her, Denny, you brought up Bain earlier? Yes. I've heard a rumor that Dr. Poisons some of the things she's working on. is a precursor to Bain? What? Do you think they would go there?

The gas that he or the whatever he is that he ingest to kind of make him bigger? Yes. That makes sense. They kind of messed that around with it, like in the comic books,

where eventually it's kind of been invented by like a few different people already. Okay. So it could be possible. If you plan on bringing Bain back, well, first of all, I guess you, if you plan on bringing Bain back into the movie, you probably, or into the cinematic universe, you probably can because that's, it almost seems like that's what the, the, the German, you know, general was kind of inhaling the whole entire time every time he kind of hulked out.

Right. And actually, to me, I always thought it was like he was sniffing cocaine or something. It's like, well, fucking Dr. Poison invented, you know, like, oh, and that was, right. And that was the other reason I didn't... That was the other reason I didn't think he was Aries, the fact that he would need this gas to gain strength. Makes sense. Well, to me, as soon as they introduced the Thueless character in the movie,

and when she kind of walks in on that parliament meeting or whatever, and he's the first person to stop and notice her. Right. You know, and, like, he kind of talks slowly, but nobody really recognized, like, noticed she's in the room yet. The fact that he kind of stops first, it was like, oh, this motherfucker was fucking Harry. I picked up on that, too, man.

The dude from the island of Dr. Moreau on top of that is the fucking villainous movie. Yeah. I hadn't seen fucking David Thuleas since like 1997. Right. Where did the fuck they dig this guy out from? Well, they were saying he's been in the Harry Potter movies. I've never seen any of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I never seen a Harry Potter movie either. Right. Yeah, they're good. Check them out. They're good. Check them out. One thing that bothered. this is where it kind of started to fall off for me.

Okay. I can pinpoint it to one scene. Sure. And it's the scene where the German general and Dr. Poison go to like that Nazi board meeting. And they're talking about how they're going to sign the treaty or whatever. And he's like, well, whatever. And when they kind of leave, he throws the gas bomb in there. And then she throws the gas bomb and he throws the mask.

And she's like, why did you throw the mask? It's not going to work. And he's like, he don't, they don't know that. And they start laughing at each other like fucking Force and Natasha. I fucking hated that. No, I like that, man. I thought that was a good.

Oh, no. It sucked me. I liked a lot of the humor in this movie, man. It's, they're Nazis. You know, I love Nazi experiment, you know,

Nazi bad guys. Like, you cannot get a worst bad guy. It just seemed so cheesy at that point. Right. Yeah. And it's like that, man.

Why did you do it before? And that's, well, They were like, we're bad guys for everybody, but we're also bad guys for the Nazis. We're going to kill the Nazis because we're that much more bad than these guys are. You know what I mean? Chaos. We're all after chaos.

What was your name, Dr. Poison, as it was ever said? Dr. Poison, yeah. Yeah. I loved her, man. I thought that they should have had her way more in the movie. I thought she was great the whole time. every every scene i was expecting her to be aries right i love i loved it when when uh chris pine snuck into the party pretend to be the nazi general yeah that starts kind of hitting on her and

she's almost kind of starting to buy it she's like almost like oh you know and like unfortunately when he looks up and diana's walking into the room she kind of snaps out of it a bit yeah i thought that was very it was it was pretty clever it's like here's a woman who's who's faces damage and you know he's playing up to her for what she probably wants for people to, you know, to acknowledge her genius and her work. And he's playing into that. And it's kind of turning her on, you know? For sure.

And I thought that was brilliant. I thought it was a great part of the movie. Yeah, they didn't go far enough with that character. But then again, it was a two and a half hour movie. You could tell from like the wrinkle in her eyebrow the entire time that he was talking to her, man. I thought that she did an incredible job, way, way underused in this movie. Tell me, please tell me what you guys think, the eluded sex scene. I thought that. Obviously it happened. No, no, not on the boat in the hotel room. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

And obviously, I mean, they needed something like that to build the realism of the bond of these two and how much it really hurt her so much when he died in the plane like he did, you know? But doesn't it seem kind of like, it's like, I don't know, you're, it seems weird that you're, you're building up this, uh, a female icon, you know, and in the first movie you put her in, she, she, she has to go and sleep with a man. I thought they could have, I don't know, man. I don't think they, I don't think they, I don't think they needed it in the movie.

No, I think they could have. I think they did need it to, to, to kind of, to kind of, to kind of hit home. the tragedy at the end? Yes. That was her love actors. That's what I would say, yes. I would say you needed to make sure you knew that they were very close. And besides, they didn't just jump into bed together. I mean, they built up to it.

That whole ship and the, I mean, that whole scene in the ship on the way over, you know, where they were flirting. I don't know how they built up to it because they had to be outside of the hotel right away. Yeah, well, I mean, when I say built up to it, I'm referring to the entire character arc of the movie, those two together, you know? I don't know about that. I wasn't. They definitely were at least classy enough not to show it, right? Because then that would have really, really bothered those old ladies that, I guess,

had already left, huh? That had the child there. I think she would have, like, if they had stayed by that point, she probably would have flew out of the theater or something. Right. It would have exploded. Sorry. I was just going to say, Brian, was there anything that you wanted to bring up in the spoilers? Yeah, I have touched on it a little bit about how I like this group a little bit better than the Howling Commandos.

Right. Because I thought you got more into them themselves, like the guy that said he wanted to be an actor, but he couldn't because of the color of his skin. Yeah, he's cool. And then you got, yeah, then you get Chief. And she asked him, why don't you fight for your people? And he's like, they're all gone. And she was like, who killed him? He was like, his people.

pointing to Chris Pine's character. Yeah. And she's just really figuring out what this world really is, and it's not what she thought it was. That was cool. And I like that whole development there. Yeah. Yeah.

Good characters. And going into the scene that I was talking about, like, the, well, that I didn't want to talk about earlier, I didn't like when they had the sniper in the bell tower, and they should have had I mean I guess it built a little bit of character on the Irish guy or Scottish guy or whatever the hell he was but I didn't like that they

like let her jump up there and crush the bell tower okay Wonder Woman it's not all about you but it was it was a team effort right they helped to get up there I kind of wondered Scyper should have taken care of that shit. And that was, I don't know why it bothered me, but I feel like that scene in particular bothered me.

It was like, it was, it was kind of a ridiculous ending to a, it was a ridiculous solution to a problem that didn't need that kind of thing. I don't know. I kind of liked it because it was, like you said, it was a little insight on the Scottish character because he's killed some of many people that, you know, he dreams about ghosts. He has demons most likely of these people

which means why the fuck is he there? He's got PTSD. Because they're still at war. PTSD? I know but God damn. He's going to be a hero be a fucking hero, man. Here's the weirdness. Here's the world.

Do what, Danny? Here's the weirdness of all of it. Because logic would dictate, as you're watching this movie, one of these fucking guys has to die. And as I'm watching this movie, I'm thinking this, the Scottish dude is so damaged.

With PTSD, I guarantee, I think he's going to be the one who's going to die here. And no, he lives at the end. Right. Fucking Steve Trevor dies. Somebody has to sing the songs. Yeah. Who better to sing a song than the Scottish dude?

Right. Who can't shoot the fucking sniper even though he's a sniper? Well, they did mention that doesn't happen a lot with him right yeah overall he's the best marksman he they know

but occasionally he'll have these issues with his demons that I just mentioned that I felt like they didn't do that because they didn't want to compare it to like a saving private Ryan

even though that was probably one of the coolest scenes in saving private Ryan right and I think that they should have just gone with it and done it. And I think that's the same reason that they didn't have a stinger at the end of the credits, because they didn't want to be compared to a lot of the other movies, but they should have gone ahead and done that too.

Yeah, I thought the scene was badass, though. She knocked down the top of a building. She did. And her hair was not even messed up. I loved it. Oh, right? That was- gorgeous.

That was one of my problems with the special effects. I thought it was kind of cheesy when she's like just jumping. up and like, I don't know. There's just the way that... The jump up to me was cheesy at the very end, by the way. Yeah, I will agree with you there. Like, okay, I love the fight scenes where they slow it down and she's like doing these cool little like knee up, arm up, uh, poses.

Like the slow motion things that they did during the fight scenes and stuff, that shit was awesome. But like that scene in particular where she jumped. off of this guy's shield and jumps up and crushes the bell tower. I thought that like just the computer animation of the whole thing was a little

rudimentary for the day and age that we are in in this kind of movie, this kind of big budget gigantic movie. It should have looked better than that. My favorite scene though, out of all of it, was

that scene where she fucking dresses down that fucking British general in the boardroom who's talking about just sending the soldiers to die. Oh, for sure. And she just fucking calling him like a fucking, she's calling him out, calling him a fucking coward because, you know, a real, you know, a real soldier, a real general would be on the front line with his fucking soldiers and not be hiding in a boardroom making plans.

I thought that scene was great. It was actually one of the few scenes like, like I wouldn't know, not one of the few. but like you kind of gave me like a bit of goosebumps. Right. It's one of those few times where I thought like I enjoyed a, here's the thing, I enjoyed a lot of the social commentary in this movie

because I felt like it wasn't heavy handed. Yeah. You know? Yeah, I didn't push it too fucking hard, but it was there. And I thought that the way that she was, she, this, this woman in the, you know,

40s was the one who was like, I'm the fucking tough guy, and you guys need to step the fuck up and do what you're supposed to do and do the right fucking thing. You know? Kind of like the little guy in Captain America that had to show the big guys with you. Exactly. It was the perfect movie to pair it with.

But she not only shows them that she's more capable than they are. Well, here's, I wouldn't even say she's more capable, because what I loved about is the way that, that, that Diana and Steve work together. It's like a dance because sometimes he leads, sometimes she leads. Right. But it's always a partnership. And they never, they never make the other person look bad. And one thing I loved about this movie, not only is she always going around showing how much of a badass he is, but to see when she finally get to London and she sees a baby in the street. And she just, her heart just melts, you know?

And she's like, oh, baby, you know. Just like the comic books from what you were saying. Yeah, and it was so great. Mm-hmm. I was, it's just, it has nothing to do with the performance. It's, the action was great. The performances was great. I just wish they could have, I wish they could have been a little bit more,

taken a little bit more of a risk with the story. Do you know what I mean? Well, they've done plenty of that with the fucking Superman and Batman movies. Well, here's not. go not going to that extent, but you know, you could push it a little bit further. You don't have to go you don't have to take ten steps

forward, but like take one or two. You know? You thought it was really formulaic. Yes. And one thing that bothered me too about these movies, even though they were enjoyable, was all the fucking homages in the movie. It's like, I want her to stand on her own. I don't know if you

were, they fucking ran three Superman homages in five minutes. in this movie. Back to back to back. And it's like, what the fuck? You know, you want this to be special. Don't, I understand maybe Patty Jenkins was like inspired by the Donner Superman movie.

But, you know, one homage is all right. Right. What do you mean? I'm lost. What are you talking about? Superman homage. So when they get to London and he takes her to go buy an outfit. And they get to her perfect outfit and they feel they need something more.

So they hand her the glasses. So now she's in the sky She's Clark Kent, right? When they leave the retailer and she's got her sword and her shield and she's having a hard time getting through the revolving door. That's also from Superman.

When we see Clark Kent in the planet, he's having a hard time getting through the revolving door because he's pretending to be a plot. And then two minutes later, when they're in the alley and she blocks the bullet with her thing, that's from Superman 1 also. You basically just ran three back-to-back-to-back-to-back homage in five minutes.

Right. Have a little bit of creativity. And then not only that, 20 minutes earlier, you're doing the Spider-Man homage where she's climbing up on the wall when she's discovering her powers. That's going a bit far, I think. No, it's not because the way you see it

and they're shooting her when she's finally doing it and they're shooting her looking down, that's Toby McGuire from Spider-Man 1. When he's doing that in the alley. I caught that right away. I definitely cut the Superman stuff, for sure. Yeah, I didn't catch any of it, to be honest with you, but I think that eventually you're going to run into this superhero movies

all kind of look-alike thing. And I think the origin stories in general are going to be very formulaic, but they're also the best movies. I agree. That's why I said this. The best DC movie that's come out since the Christopher Nolan Batman stuff, you know? Yeah, I would agree with all that. At the end of the day, it's not an offensive movie.

It's it's inoffensive. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's got a good basic story that goes from A to B to C to D. And that's it. And it's like, for the amount of hype that was so, going into this movie, because we had like the rotten tomatoes, like fucking 99% and all that stuff at people that we know online we're talking about like this is the greatest

movie ever made and it's kind of like after watching it. It's like I just seen it as like am I missing something here? Did I not see something here? I'm going to go see this movie again. Maybe you should give it a second viewing man. I am going to give it a second viewing.

I'm going to go sometime next week. Best DC. I will say it. It does compare to Marvel stuff. Best DC in this current universe. Right. Okay. To say that it's better than the Dark Night,

it's kind of like, let's tone it down a bit. Yeah. Not even a chance. Personally, I do like it better than those, but that's just my opinion. I know I'm in the minority big time. The Dark Night was practically a masterpiece. Gal Godot was my Wonder Woman.

And, to answer the mysterious question that Lance asked me on Facebook, no, I'd still pick Daisy Ridley over Gallagodeau. Got it. Okay. Real quick, Peggy Carter. Galgado. That's my choice. Peggy Carter and Galgadoo?

Yeah. Peggy Carter. Okay. I'm with you right there. To kind of steal a phrase from Philippinecy, C., Peggy Carter, Haley Atwell is literally sex on a stick. I know, so is Galgadoo, man. And she's, oh, she's a badass, too.

Man, I'm taking. Well, okay, let me, so now we're at the, we kind of, what do you, we know their sequel's coming. What do you guys want to see from the sequel? I don't even want to think that far ahead yet. I just want to enjoy what, what I just saw and looking forward to hoping the Justice League is better than I think it's going to be. Yes. I'm hoping for Justice League goodness.

For part two. They need to jump on the Avengers bandwagon and just copy whatever the hell they did. Because that's what they did with Wonder Woman. Let me ask you this. For part two, do you want to see Wonder Woman in current time? Yes. Or do you still want to see her back in a period setting? No, I'll go with current time.

I want to see the events. events after the first movie. I wouldn't even mind doing different decades or something because basically she's a goddess, so that she's not like, that's the difference between her in Captain America. He was frozen in ice and she just lives a long time, right?

Yeah. Now, yeah, it'd be cool to see her in like the 70s or 80s and maybe have some kind of story there. So let me ask you this then. So by the end of this movie, we know she's a goddess. But I don't, she hasn't really fully figured out her powers yet.

At what point in any of the cinematic universe do you think we get to see her full potential? They'll probably give it to us in Justice League. Do you think it's going to be against Darkside, though? No, because we're not getting Darkside in Justice League. Yet. Maybe they won't give us her full power range in Justice League then. I don't know, that's hard to say. Because when I was thinking about this, like, okay, there's going to be a point.

where she's going to have to kind of experience her power at its fullest. But who can she do that against? Because any like normal, like basically her rogues gallery outside, like they're kind of mythological figures, but like I think like if she kind of like let loose, you probably kill them. Even though we've already seen her kill somebody in this.

And that's another thing too that it kind of bothered me too. It's like she, it was the fact that she was the love and compassion. that she had. And even though she killed the guy and the guy was like a Nazi soldier, she still killed a mortal man. And I felt like it should have registered a little bit more with her. Not just, oh my God, I killed this guy, but he's not Aries because the war didn't stop. That's another thing I kind of didn't like to about the ending of the movie was the fact that once she kills Aries, the war ends and all of a sudden like the German soldiers get up and everybody starts fucking hugging. Yeah. And it's like, you know,

This is not, it's not a made up war. Yeah. There's obviously still going to be a World War II to come and otherwise. Not really not, but it's not, it wasn't a fake war that you just made up here. It's World War I. It's, you know, you can't just make some fairy tale ending for an actual war that, you know, somebody, she killed like a Greek goddess, a god and, you know, the war just ended like that. You know, it, to me it kind of seems like it's almost like a little distasteful.

Hey, Denny, thanks for joining us, man, but we got a, I mean, I think most of my listeners probably do listen to your show. But, you know, just in case we picked up some new listeners from Comic Palooza or Texas Frightmare or something like that, we're glad you guys are listening. But Denny, where can they find you? And what all do you guys talk about? We are the After Midnight podcast available on iTunes, Stitcher, and Beyond Pod. We are a podcast all about the tales of the supernatural, the paranormal, the unexhaunchal, explained, conspiracies, unsolved mysteries. If it's going to creep you out, we're going to discuss it.

This past week, we did our first part on the series of rock and roll myths and urban legends. Next week is part two. So stay tuned for that. And hopefully we got a few other things trying to work out down the pike. Hopefully soon I'm supposed to have, I don't want to jinx it, but I'm supposed to have a live. Satanist online. Oh, what? I'm going to me.

Blame Canada for being awesome. About about the church of Satan. And I'm supposed to have on some other guy about the historical and cultural importance of some show called Star Trek.

I don't know what that's going to happen. We'll make it happen, man. We'll make it happen. Let me hear the satanic guy, man. That'll be fun. Oh, and the aluminum. That episode's still on the table. Is it Glenn Danzig?

Glenn Danzig. No, I wish it was Glenn Danzig. Yeah, I can't believe you guys haven't gotten into the Illuminati yet. You guys just like us, I think we all started about the same time. So you've definitely been on over a year, right? It's a very long topic to discuss. And the thing is, with the people who I'm going to be doing this episode with, one of us is on the West Coast, so it's very tough to kind of get times allotted.

So that's still up in the air. Hopefully we could get it done. We're supposed to get it done this month. Hopefully we could get it done in June. Okay, cool. Well, we'll be listening. And as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas.

Like Philip said earlier, you could reach us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com. Also look for us on iTunes, Facebook, Twitter, etc. So next week, I think we're going to be covering the new movie The Mummy, which is going to kick off the new, what is it called Dark Universe, Brian? Dark Universe, unless this legal thing happens with Warner Brothers. Uh-oh. Well, we'll check it out. We'll also watch the original 1932 Universal version of The Mummy as well. Nice.

So, until the horror returns again, Denny. Bunry. Or in English, good night.