The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #538: Tremors (1990) & Tremors 2: Aftershocks (1996)

Episode Date: September 23, 2026

This week it's a real Tremorspalooza, with hosts Phil, Brian, Pedro, Steve from the Geekz, and P.J. and Derek from Third Channel podcast! Damn this show has it all. Cool of the week includes Buddy, Resident Evil, Rocky Horror Picture Show tribute to Tim Curry, He-Man, Supernatural, and Help Me. Trailers are Crystal Lake and Christmas at the Kringles. The podcast spotlight shines on Splatter Pals. Feedback will return next week. Thanks for listening!  

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one and all, to the horror returns. I am Philip, as Lance is not here again. He had a medical emergency this time, so we'll excuse him. With Brian, and since it's retro week,

we got Steve and Pedro, decided to join us and from the mighty third channel podcast it's derrick and p j uh p j how's it going man it's going good i'm i'm super fucking excited to be here pardon my french uh which is uh see it's like a running gag from the movies we're talking about so i figured i'd slide it in there doing very good very very happy to be here thank you for having us nice derrick how you doing man i am doing very very well um what the last time that I was on here was back in March for your March madness. Yeah. And yeah, I'm very excited to get into talking about these movies.

These are some of my favorites. Nice. Well, Steve, you pick some good ones, man. What did you pick Tremors for? Because it hadn't been covered yet. Fair enough. It's hard. You guys covered a lot of franchises.

So it's pretty tricky. But I don't know. Tremors has like seven movies or something. I've only seen. Yeah, and Michael Gross is in all of them, by the way, which is fucking weird.

I don't think I knew that there were that many of them. There's a lot. But I do remember like genuinely liking the third one. So I only watched it the one time. Absolutely. Is that one back to perfection? Yes. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It started auto playing after, after I watched one. the other ones and I came in and I was like, what is this? Dude, it's, it's, it's pretty cool. So I was very surprised to find out that the last tremors movie came out in 2020.

Oh. There was another one right after that. That can be the last one. I could have sworn there was a new one like, like three years ago. Yeah. Even the fact, yeah, even if the fact that they're being made into the 2020s is wild. And that Jamie Kennedy became a star of the franchises. also a little weird. And then I don't know, but I know Brian, you remember, but there were the Kevin

Bacon filmed a promo for a tremors TV series that he wanted to do. Oh yeah. And it's still out there. You can still find it. And yeah. It still really upsets me that didn't. I heard Kevin Bacon was supposed to be involved in something and it fell through. Pedro, how are you doing tonight, man? Doing pretty good. I'm excited to talk about these films because like you guys said, they're well one of them so like a legitimate classic the other one's not bad um it's a nice little sequel you know and so yeah i'm ready to talk about them and and also a couple of the movies that i've enjoyed over the week that'll be part of my cool of the week but uh we'll get to that we'll get to that all right and he's gonna shit on us for our beyond review but no not today not

because lance is here because because you know yeah yeah uh to support brian on this it was mostly lance that's per usual so uh Brian, how you doing, man? I'm doing fine. Good, good. All right. Cool, the week. Pedro, you want to start us out?

You seem pretty excited about it. There's a couple of things. My Dodgers just clinched their 14th division title. And I'm excited. It was actually today, so we're on our way to the playoffs. So heart attack season is right around the corner for me. As per usual at this point, because I'm a spoiled the L.A. Dodger fan. And we're going for the three-peat, which is very difficult.

to do in any sport. So yeah, I'm excited about that, root them on. And it's always hard for me because having quote-unquote spooky season, I hate that fucking term, by the way, but that's the best way I could say it. Having spooky season combined with the baseball playoffs, it's always stressful. So I'll give you guys the story last year, okay? I went to go see John Carpenter in concert. And it was around my, it was like around November 1st.

Actually, it was on my birthday, November 2nd. And so I'm in my living room and I'm watching it was game seven of the World Series. There's the Dodgers and the Blue Jays. So it can't get any more exciting than that, right? And then when I left, the Blue Jays were winning, I think it was four to three or four, like four to two. So I go see John Carpenter and I'm stressed the fuck out. So I'm a ball of emotions because I'm excited to have John Carpenter in front of me. And then I'm also keeping an eye on the game.

and I'm hearing all these other fans like just shout out there. I don't like people telling me the score without me focused on the score. It bothers the fuck out of me because I need context. And so it was a hell of a ride. Finally, as soon as John Carpenter singing his last song, we pull it off. We win the World Series and everybody in downtown Adelaide, it becomes a party, essentially.

So now I'm celebrating and then I'm thinking, shit, how the fuck am I going to get out of this fucking place now? Because people started lining up the streets and shit. So that was a crazy adventure. And yeah, I mean, it's going to sound not being entitled to say it like this, but that's me every year because the daughters always go to the playoffs. You know, I'm blessed to have a team that does that. So yeah, so here we go again.

But I'm excited this year. We'll see. So that's one of my cool of the weeks. But my actual film Cool of the Week is I finally got a chance to catch Buddy, you know, in the theater. And it's began a lot of positive reviews. and I know I heard Brian in Ness Was it Brian was it you in Ness or you were in Lance? It was one of you, I heard you guys talking about it.

It was me and Ness. Yeah, it was you and Ness, that's right. And so I love that movie. It's a 10 on 10 for me. It's in my top 10. Oh, wow. It was a very surreal experience. And it was also, it actually had like a story to it.

And then it's one of those films that if on rewatches, you catch other things. There's kind of some YouTube channels devoted to it. kind of explaining what's really happening. It's absurd and surrealistic at the same time. It was just a great experience. I don't really have experiences like in the theater anymore because I go so often. So that was kind of cool. Just kind of walk out with that.

It's like, what the hell did I just watch? And so yeah, so that's really my cool of the week. Just a great film. I don't know if the same magic is going to be captured for people watching it at home. It might not. I watched it with an audience and I could feel their energy. it just kind of like the roller coaster ride of the film and so yeah

I think it did okay at the box office to where I'm sure we're going to get a sequel because they always sequelize these things if they make even a dollar more than their budget so I'll wait for all the answers that we didn't get because I'm sure we'll get them in the sequel but yeah that's my that's my cool of the week buddy best movie the year so far

yeah for me yeah for sure nice yeah but I've only seen it once so there is I do have the right to change mind but yeah that's what a great what a great experience in the theater all right Derek what you got for us my cool of the week we are it's a couple different things we're right in the middle of our on our show third channel podcast we're right in the middle of recording our uh coverage of the hatchet franchise so i always love revisiting those films uh we're covering hatchet two is our next one that we're chatting about but then on top of that uh the thing that i'm really excited for my cool of the week that i haven't seen yet if you will is but i know i'm

going to love it is resonant evil yeah we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna see it over the weekend and we're going to cover that pretty soon i believe you guys also have a episode covering that and we got that next week i'm excited for it yeah so i'm i'm excited for that and in kind of i've never played those games before. So I know that it takes place kind of in the universe of like the first two games. So I've been watching this week, uh, basically playthroughs of the Resident Evil One remake and Resident Evil 2 remake just to kind of give me an overall gist of the universe and what was going on at that time at the beginning of the outbreak. So those are kind of my cools of the week. Okay. How do you, uh, real quick, how do you feel it's going to do

in the theaters with all the backlash from the quote unquote fans of the game? That's a good question. I think with how big of like a smash hit weapons was in theaters, I think you're going to get a lot of people who are just going out because of the name and because of what he's directed before. because I'm that's the thing you put

I'm a I'm a Zach Kreger fan from his days of like white as kids you know that comedy troupe so I was watching

them in like junior high high school and so I just love to see that guy's career and what he's doing so he his name is on anything I'm going to be there

and so like not as somebody who's a fan of the games or that franchise like I don't I don't dislike it I just have never really experienced it before

I'm still already seated for that. So I'm hoping we get kind of the same turnout. And also I think a lot of those people who are outspoken about that sort of thing, they still end up going to see it anyway. And it is what it is. Like, I hope they're proven wrong. I believe they will be. I just, I just don't like how kind of snobby he's been throughout the little press store. Like, he's pretty much stated that, you know, he's not really a fan of the, like, why is he like, he needs to be, have some PR people behind him, you know, and be like, just tell the, tell the, tell the fans what they want to hear. Like, let's get some

butts in the seats here. Don't, don't be talking you're not really a fan of the game and you're going to do your own thing and it could be, it's just going to turn people away or even like you said, even if they do go watch it, they're going to, they're going to hate watch it. And it's like, you don't want, you don't want to be in that situation. So sometimes it pays to be a

politician, you know, and just be like, yeah, you know, I kind of like, even though you're bullshitting them, like, I like these games coming up and it's like, because now, because now there is a lot of, like, people that are upset because, see, kind of what he said online and, and, and, and doing interviews as far as what this movie is. I'm going to watch it.

I don't really care about the games. I'm not really a big fan of weapons like everybody else's. We could tear that movie apart a thousand times, but he still makes decent movies, right? I mean, he hasn't made a bad movie. I'll say that. And so, but I think your premise is that he's kind of like an event filmmaker, and we have very few of those, right?

We have Christopher Nolan. We have Quinn Tarantino. and I think those are the only thing that I could think of where like their name is going to put butts in seats. I don't think he's quite there yet. I think like Robert Eggers maybe falls into that. Yeah, Robert Eggers for sure, especially with the horror community for sure. He's probably, you know, he's probably getting there, but he's not quite there yet. So if I want to predict the box office, I mean, I think it'll do okay, you know, and word of mouth has been good.

Like the early reviews have all been pretty damn good. 90 minutes, which I like because I'm old, so I like those 90 minute ride. I don't need no two and a half hour shit. Yeah. Because I'll knock out in the recliner anyway, so whatever. And so, yeah, I'm going to be there. I have an open mind. It looks fun.

It looks like one of those, just like from the beginning to end. It's like this thrill right all the way through. So we'll see how it goes. I'm very excited for Resident Evil. I am a fan of those games. I've played the, you know, one, two, three, four, five, like in chronolite as they were coming out. And then have now played the remake. of, well, the remaster of one, the remakes of two, three, and four.

And then I played whatever the newest one is. I played seven and eight. So I have a lot of love for that franchise. It's huge right now. The most recent game that came out was a huge success on all of the platforms that it came out on. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was an interesting take.

A lot of games will do the two characters, but having the two characters be completely different modes of gameplay, I think, is really interesting at a world. with stale games. And also with H.HN. in Japan, Halloween Horror Nights, they have Resident Evil this year out there as a marketing thing.

So it's just, it is so big right now, just kind of in the world. I'm very excited for it. I think one of the reasons I'm excited for it, and I know we're not talking about Resident Evil, but this is just the final bit of that two cents. When I watched the Fallout TV show, for example,

I'm a huge Fallout fan. And watching the Fallout TV show, the thing I liked about that first season the most is that they took the world of fallout, but they didn't retell any stories. They told a completely narratively new story. And I think it lets you engage with it more. It lets you enjoy the content that they've created in the world that you like. So, you know, Zach Greger making a movie in this world that is a completely different story,

a completely different person's experience through those events, kind of put you in that mindset. So I'm very excited for that reason. And I think that's a good approach for video game adaptations. I think that my cool of the week, we, for those of you who don't know, Derek and I have a podcast, obviously, it's why we're here. But the other creative outlet that we have is we are both part of I host and he produces a Rocky Horror Picture cast in the Tampa St. Pete area in Florida. And so this last week, we were able to have a show that was an honor, a tribute to Tim Curry, which was beautiful. We sold out. I got to kind of get on, I host the show, so I got to get on my soapbox and, you know,

remember his, his works and how important. I've been doing the Rocky Horror Picture shows. And you make the decision if this means I have cool or terrible parents, but I've been doing the Rocky Horror Picture show since I was 14 years old. So I'm old. Who parents? I say cool parents do. I'm biased, but I say cool parents too.

14 seems like a reasonable age. I mean, you're taking a six year old. All right. Now we're on. Yeah. In weird territory. 14, I was old enough to be cool. Man, I was fucking awesome.

But yeah, I've done it for a long time. And it was, you know, it's very important to me. So it felt nice to be given the opportunity to honor somebody that is so integral with my tastes and my likes. So it was a really nice experience. I'll carry it with me forever. I love doing that show. And anybody who listens to the horror returns that's in the Tampa St. Pete area, feel free to come out and see us.

A cast is called Hell on Heels. But yeah, that's my cool of the week. Awesome. Cool. Steve, you got anything for us? Yeah. As far as watching stuff, I don't know if any of you guys are watching

lanterns, but I'm from the Geeks show, so I'm a nerd, and lanterns has been really, really good so far as far as I'm concerned. I really like Kyle Chandler's take on Hal Jordan, and I think there's a lot more show to go. so that's been fun but my actual cool of the week is

I've talked to you Phil and Brian and shown you guys bits about the short horror film that I made that is currently in post-production and so this week I actually got to see the first workprint of it from beginning to end it has some sound work to do some visual effects

that still need to be fixed up but I got to watch it from beginning to end all 38 minutes of it. It was awesome. Of course, I'm biased, but like, because I did all of the practical visual effects, all the guts and blood and all that stuff, like, I knew when that was coming up, watching the movies, I was getting, like, real nervous, but it looked really cool. So, you know, I was just like, ah, yeah, my branch thing worked. Yes.

That's awesome. That's great. Steve, I wanted to say like, because I worked in the film industry for about 10 years. I haven't been, I haven't done it in years after that because I got burned out. But it's really fucking hard to make a movie, like really hard.

People don't understand. And it doesn't matter the budget. That's not the point. The point is just to get a shot, like it takes hours. It's very taxied. So anything that you have to show your art, you should be proud of because it's a lot of

work and it's fun to have that state being that stage that you're in where you're seeing kind of like your baby come to life you know and and it's like that's pretty cool because sometimes it even kind of exceeds your own expectations right because you have it you you you're seeing what you think you should be seen from your own perspective as far as how you imagined it and sometimes it's even better than that and you're like oh shit and then on top of that the communal aspect of it where it takes a lot of people to make this happen you know that's also pretty cool. So congratulations on that. And 38 minutes is kind of a long

short. You know, this is your first short, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's a long short for like your first one. Like it's, you know, because usually people make like like five minute films, 10 minute films. We have an established director who's made feature length movies. So he, you know, I did

sound design the basic artwork. I helped write the story and I did all the creature design and stuff. So, but As far as our budget is, like our budget was what we had in our wallets. That's right. It was, we borrowed equipment from the local TV studio, the film stuff.

And the weirdest thing about making movies that you don't think about is fucking food. Like, how to feed everybody is a pain in the ass. And we're filming way out in the middle of the woods, which makes it really difficult because you've got to run generators that are far enough away that you can't hear them on the microphone. setting up lights. So you're right to get a five-minute shot. It could take like four hours and set it up. And it is a lot of work. And that's all tied to the film festival that we're having out here in October,

the horror film festival. And I'm also a judge in that. So I've had to watch like, I don't know, 40 short horror films in the last week. And some of them, you know, what can you say? it's just not very good. Some of them are just like, I don't know what you're doing. Yeah.

But because now I have the context of knowing how fucking hard it is to make one, I let a lot of shit pass. I was like, it's in, it's in, like they got it. It's fine.

So, yeah. So my cool of the week was actually getting to watch my movie for the first time. So. Cool. Well, I think that's got everybody beat.

I finally checked out he made. And, uh, sweet. It was a pretty good time. It would, I mean, it was silly, but it was fun. Oh, yeah. It's stupid as shit, but it had so much fun. Yeah. No complaints.

I'm hoping for some sequels. I think it was great. Oh, you're getting a sequel. That film, that film, unfortunately, no matter what role to take, what path it took, it wasn't going to win, right? Because it's, it's a film from another era. Yeah. A lot of a lot of a lot of the characters, the IP,

is from a generation that's probably not even going to the movies anymore for you know for the most part so they had options as far as if they're going to adapt a very specific uh if it was going to be very specific to the cartoon people were going to shit all over it anyway um whereas they decided to take it the other route right where it was it was very jokey and and very light and i liked it myself personally i thought i thought some of the humor was very clever um And, but unfortunately, it didn't work for everyone. So it was a big flop. That's probably the only way that movie was ever going to work at all.

Yeah. All right. On to horror headlines. Wait, Brian. Doesn't Brian have a cool of a week? I'm still in the show. Oh, my bad, dude. Damn, I thought I asked you first.

Brian, what you got? Camera's not working, but I am still here. A little black square. Me and my daughter is still working our way through Supernatural. We were halfway through Zool. season six great show you're not even halfway bro jesus well we started we started a month ago Pedro so i think we're making a good time that is a good time yeah uh watched the first two episodes of the crepe tape season three very uh mid as far as the because i really enjoyed the second

season what they did as far as storylines and i've didn't feel the creativity in the first two episodes of season three. Uh-oh. And I checked out the Odyssey finally. That one I still haven't seen. I'm excited about it, though. I thought it was okay. A little, a little hype.

Fantastic cast. It looked amazing. But I don't know. Just a little overhyped for me. That's all I got this week. The grass wasn't as greener on the other side. All right, Brian. Now to horror headlines.

All right. Happy Death Day 3 update. Christopher Landon and Jessica Roth have sat down and mapped out the entire movie. They're just now waiting for Universal and Blumhouse to greenlighted. That means another three years away. a minimum with the way these things work.

Man, I'd like to say I'm more excited about that one, but it's, all right. Let's see, Mike Flanagan confirms the Dark Tower series is still happening. Okay. And he's also hinted that there will be

connections in the upcoming carry series to the Dark Tower. Oh, that's kind of cool. How many years do you think it's going to take for that? that, Adrian. That's another five to six. Because it was about five to six years ago that he said that the dark tower was on. So here we go. Yeah, I'm getting old, man. They're putting a lot of faith in our ability to fucking make it that far. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And plus Mike Flanning and like he's he's got his hands and everything. Jesus Christ. Like his name pops up every other

week it seems. Well, I remember I remember saying the on Netflix when you would search like after you watched Hill House or whatever the series that he had just finished working on was for a while there was just like a black you know the thumbnails on Netflix it was just black and empty and it said follow the house of usher and I was like what the is he making that I didn't know anything about it so I looked it up and it was there for years like two years it just sat and then finally it came out and so hopefully it's not that long because I agree I agree with Steve I'm I might crope tomorrow you never know I'd much rather see that first before I go Yeah, he's going to Guillermo del Toro everything and start producing shit.

No, we don't want that. Fuck that. The Mandela catalog, the viral web series is coming to theaters. It is being produced by Stephen Spielberg, and it hits theaters June 9th, 2028. Isn't that another one of the internet things? Yeah. Oh, man, they are going to take every internet story. right now. I think we're even getting one of those like sirenhead, like a whole movie

based on that one picture. Like, man, when Hollywood hits in one spot, they really just start draining the well, don't they? Yeah, the vampires gather around. Well, they're all looking for their next big IP. It's like hitting the lottery, you know? So they're throwing everything against the wall and see what sticks.

It's all about IP nowadays. And finally, next month, we're getting VHS mixtape. on shutter. But next year, we're getting VHS SCP in theaters. All right. You know, that's one of my favorite times of the year.

How do you guys feel about VHS heading into the theaters now? I love it. I saw part one in the theaters and part two. I think the other ones never got a theatrical. But no, every year I come on this show and we talk about VHS because I love those fucking movies. They're just so damn charming. and they're just, I mean, they're not always the best, but it's just a good time wasteer.

At this point, it's tradition, because it seems like they come up with one every the first week of October for the last five years or so. So, yeah, I'll be there in the movies, checking it out. Great pipeline for new directors. You know what, you know a gimmick they should use? They should have sequels to a lot of their most famous shorts for that movie. I mean, I think the only one that had a sequel was Siren with that, with that alien growth, but that movie kind of sucked. But I think that would be kind of clever.

They bring back a lot of the other older filmmakers that were there in the beginning and then just create sequels to those shorts that everybody remembers. That would be pretty cool. Steve, we got to get your movie on there, man. Yeah, I know, right? There you go. But you said, Brian, you said it was VHS SCP, right? Yes.

So, yeah, like my son is a, he, He's way into the SEP. It's like to stand for it. It's like secure, contain, protect. And it's every one of them is about a different monster. So like, I'm excited about that because just the different varieties of creatures and scenarios and those videos is kind of wild. Interesting. And but again, like that plays right into what you were talking about before with, you know, the back room's being a huge hit.

they're like, oh, well, what other internet things can we take from and just do that? So I wish they would fucking watch the geeks and be like, hey, let's make a movie about these three nerds. And on the on the vein of that, the Hollywood vampire is hitting that pulse and not fucking letting it go. You've got like, you know, that YouTube, the big YouTube game guy, Markiplier makes that Iron Lung movie. And so then Hollywood's like, oh, well, we're going to make a movie about the from Soffer game Bloodbourne and it's like well just get the other YouTube guy the Jack Zeptikai guy get him to do it and it's like

well no that one was special because he wrote it and he made it and he financed it a major studio getting a fucking let's play her to make another video game it's like that doesn't make any sense you guys have picked you focused on the wrong part of that yeah yeah it's all over the place yeah but if that movie hits

oh man oh I know I fucking love Bloodbourne so much If it hits, then they're just going to start hiring everybody off the street. I mean, I think they're already going to do that because that's how they see the YouTubers. It's just these guys that are not very talented that somehow look into this. And Hollywood is going to try to exploit that now. So all these YouTubers are going to get money now. And we're going to start seeing a lot of shit, right?

Because it's the law of averages. So get ready for that. Get ready for all these obsession, knockoffs that are going to be horrible, that are going to completely miss the message of the original. session and yeah so i'm ready for that but we see it every cycle every horror cycle has like the big hits and then it has all the knock-offs and eventually we we fall in love with everything so it's all good i just wish it was more like the asylum ones instead of big budget no so i keep the cheap ones if we post all of our stuff our content as creators that are all here if we post

all of our stuff on on youtube are we considered youtube and if so like youtubeers and if so can we make movies now? I don't think my movie would be any good, but I'd love a shot at a multi-million dollar blockbuster. I'd love to try. I'd do just like freaking spend it all on cocaine. That's what I'd do.

My only suggestion will be to keep the cast or the crew small because it costs a lot to feed everybody. Yeah, that's right. Especially if they're all on Coke. All right. Man, and didn't none of them want nothing cheap. It was like no fast food.

Like, oh, of course. Yeah, let's just go to the steakhouse. Hell with that. We got Little Caesars. And that's the news. All right. Time to take a little trip down to the trailer park. We're going to bring you the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird.

Brian looks like we just got one trailer today, huh? Yeah. I forgot to post one. I'm assuming you guys already seen it. We'll talk about the Crystal Lake official trailer first. Nice. Anybody want to jump in first? I'm excited for it.

I really liked it. I've had my reservation since this thing was announced all the way back going to the previous showrunner. Now that I saw the trailer, I still have a lot of questions. But I guess that's the point. Like, what is Jason doing with a hockey mask in 1970? or whatever, but maybe he's not, maybe it's not the 1970s. Maybe it's, it time jumps. We don't know.

So just seeing all that, I'm very excited, especially because I've been very down on Jason and, and them trying to make it corporate with, what was the name of the official company that runs Jason? The Jason. Jason Universe. Yeah, that's horrible. Everything about that is horrible. And, but this is a, this is a breath of fresh air just seeing this cool trailer. looks very dark. The actress that plays the mom,

she seems like she's done an amazing job. And she's actually a pretty good actress in general. So I'm excited for this. I don't know about, I've heard a lot of talk about people being upset. Again, we don't even, I hate when people get riled up over trailers because we don't even know what's going to happen.

And people start making assumptions and they bring that emotion into the actual product. And then they judge the product on their emotions. But anyways, I digress. So there's been a lot of talk about how Jason and is going to get a different origin story. And we'll see. I mean, people are getting upset about that already.

And it's like, let it play out and see what happens. I know that I've heard interviews with the showrunner, who was the same person that brought us welcome to Derry. And he's a big fan of the franchise. So I think there's going to be some care and respect to the franchise. So I'm excited. I'm going to go in there with an open mind. And the trailer looks pretty awesome.

So that's what my thoughts. DJ. I love Lisa Cardinelli. I love Lisa Cardinelli in both. I am a huge fan of her body of work. And also, I was very young when the live action Scooby-Doo movie came out. I was young and impressionable. And I was like, oh, my God, is this what love is?

So I love Lisa Cardonelli. And she does. She looks incredible. And what a great cast because she has that, I'm a sweet person. I'm doing fine. and then can just turn that darkness on in her eyes. So, and yeah, I, you know, Derek and I have talked about this a lot where you have however many Halloween movies. You have however many Friday the 13th movies.

And you get to a point where all you're able to do is retell that story. All you're able to do is retell Jason murders teenagers and he drowned when he was young. So I am all for doing different origin stories. Well, in part of nine, we find out that he's the dead. I remember in the final Friday. in maybe one of the worst films of all time, yeah, which I, whatever, because Evil Dead is so fucking good and that doesn't deserve to be in that. But anyway, yes, I am fine with introducing, you know, different, different age,

like if this happens to them at different ages, if this happens to them in different ways, if they are, I read a rumor that it's in the same era, but instead of being, you know, like Jason Voorhees, the original killer with the mask will be Elias Vorhees, which is Pamela's husband. And then that's where Jason pulls this from. I've read, you know, it's all theories. It's all speculative bullshit. But that would be interesting.

If you want to take a risk and do something interesting with the mythos of Friday the 13th, what that isn't is remaking Friday the 13th, which has been done so many times that, I mean, I hate to sound like a pessimist, but who fucking cares? So, yes, I'm excited about this. I'd love to see what they do. I'm down to that.

Yeah, up to this point, all we've had for Jason Universe is fucking like, we had a horror night's house and then weird fucking product crossovers like Angry Orchard Cider had Jason on it. And it's like you can't market this. You've made nothing.

You got to make something. And then so they've done it completely in reverse. So I'd like for them to finally put their mouth where their money has been. Well, plus then you can make a unique story and not, it's not just Jason killing a bunch of campers again. Yeah.

You are unbound. are able to do anything, but it's the same conversation about Resident Evil and the fans of that game series not accepting change where it's, well, no, but that's not how Jason is. It's like, yeah, if you want to watch those movies, fucking Google them. They are everywhere. Watch them there. But I am of the camp that like, yeah, I'd love to see change. I'd love to see these characters again, but not the same way. It's boring.

Eric, any thoughts? What's funny is I haven't personally watched this trailer for the series, the Crystal Lake series. I am super excited about it just based on just the gist of the idea. The most that I've seen is PJ and I are huge Halloween Horn Nights fans. We go at least twice a week over in Orlando during the season. We just missed Lance. He was there last week, and it was the one night that we weren't there. But they, in some of the lines for the houses, they have big screens that they're playing

like trailers for different Peacock series and whatnot. And so that one is on. So I keep seeing flashes of it with no audio, no context, no anything. And the biggest takeaway that I had was they show, they like push in on like a calendar at one point. And it shows like May 13 of whatever year. And I was like, I'm pretty sure Jason was born in June. And so that bothered me.

But it literally, like Pedro was saying, like we have no context as to, is that even his birth date? That's maybe Elias's birthday. We don't know that. It could be anything. So yeah, it's like I'm not, I'm not passing judgment. I'm just, I'm excited for her and I'm excited for whatever craziness it is. Because I love that franchise from its humble beginnings to its space adventures. So I'm in for it.

Jason has a baby. Maybe May 13th, going to what Pedro said, maybe that's when they found the Candarian dagger and realized that Jason's a fucking dead. See, it's circles and circles, guys. It's all connected in the stupidest way possible. Pedro? I think Steve was next.

Oh, Steve? Well, yeah, like anything that Linda Cardellini does, I'm going to be there to watch. Um, so big fan, uh, of all things her. Um, even Hawkeye, Hawkeye was kind of like not all that, the best. The show. Yeah, you like the show? The show's fucking sweet. Heck yeah, man.

I thought it was good. And I definitely wasn't the worst Marvel show. Yeah. Oh, that's a fact. There was some bad Marvel shows, but that was not one of them for me. Um, but I think one of the coolest thing I saw in the trailer was what looked like, uh, a little girl looked up and it looked like a blurry vision

of like a little Jason in the woods like a little bald kid and I was like ooh there could be some weird shit going on in there. Jason has a baby. I think it's just or it's just baby Jason was the little guy. I don't think he's out there with his lady friends

but I'm excited for it. I think any Jason is good Jason. I think the Jason universe thing is stupid but like I like that dumb little angry archer thing. It was new. It was something. You know, like, I'm a big fan of the Jason Borese slasher. So I find a little bit of something to like in all of them.

Even the remake. I thought I had some good shit in it. And I love Jason X a lot. Jason goes to hell. That one's tough. But it has a great ending. Yeah, and it has the promoter from Rocky 5 eating a heart. You can't beat that.

I mean, you can't beat that. I do like the Bounty Hunter guy that they introduced. with the cowboy hat and the fucking trench coat. There's some fun stuff in all those movies. All right, we will go ahead. I said that's one we can cover next. I don't think we've done all the Friday of 13th movies. Bullshit, no fucking way.

I skipped right over that one. We've never done it because I know what Lance is going to say about it. Oh, he doesn't like slasers, huh? And it's just going to piss you off. You think he's going to get mad and like Jason X when Jason's like slamming those girls in the sleeping bag up against the tree? No, he likes that shit. That's a 10 on 10 for him on that one. No way, man, the cryogenic face smash.

That's the best kill. That's right. That one's fair. The sleeping bag was the funniest, though. That was hilarious. Pedro. You guys started with me. Right.

I suck at this, man. We'll move on to our final trailer, Christmas at the Cringles, which is directed by Kevin Lewis and stars Ron Livingston, Rachel Bilsen and Rob Riggle. Derek, we'll start with you. Yeah, we just watched this a couple times before hopping on here. I hadn't, I don't think I knew anything about this, which is strange. Typically, I at least know, I've heard of things that are coming out. I mean, it looks fun. It looks like, you know, they're doing a bit of like ready or not, you know, having a big family gathering and there's some outsiders and then violence will ensue.

They don't do a good enough job, I think, of selling what or why these people are there or how they're connected to. this family. But I do like a good Christmas horror film. I like that mashing of, you know, holidays and the colors and lights of Christmas being splashed with blood is always fun for me. So it looks like fun. A lot of faces in there. A lot of cast of people of like, I know that person from somewhere.

Somebody old, somebody favors is what you're trying to say. To, you know, some of these directors, you know, people are in favor. So they bring them up for these cameos. But Derek, to jump, kind of jump on what you're saying, because I feel like you're trying to be into the enthusiastic about this film, but you're kind of having a hard time. And so am I. Like, because I feel like it's very tropey, right?

It comes off and, like you said, it's like a hodgepodge of a lot of other films we've already seen. And it seems like that whole, like, there's something evil, whether it's a cult or whatever and trying to escape. from that. We've seen that a few times this year already. And so I'm not really excited for it just because it literally is everything

we've already seen before. A lot of these character actors, they've done better work. Wasn't it Rob Nigel? Rob Riggle? What's his name? That guy? Rob Riggle. He literally plays the same character in every movie. Like, I've never seen him like,

Oh. Yeah, but it's a good character, me. I guess. I can't fix what ain't broken. That's right. Didn't Dangle dude sign me up. Yeah. No, no, no, you're right. I mean, hey, it was going to get you paid.

You keep on going for it. But still, it's the same fucking character everywhere. So, I mean, again, as horror fans, will I watch it? Yes. Am I excited for it? Not really. Just because, again, it seems like it's the same thing we've seen before. And it's also very silly.

So I could already see that nothing's going to be at stake in this movie. Just because of the trailer and how silly it looks. So I don't know. I'll watch it. It looks fun. Like I said, it has that Christmas spirit that we're on all. nostalgic for that we like to kind of hang out with. So it opens October 30th, which is, I feel like more horror movies should take advantage

of those dates, which you'll be surprised how many of them actually do. Very few actually open on like Halloween or, you know, Halloween weekend. But yeah, so we'll see. I mean, I'm definitely going to watch it. I don't know if I'm watching the theater or not, though. Steve. If Tim Allen and Jamie Lee Curtis don't make a cameo, then it's not worth watching. that's fair

Christmas with the cranks that was my first thought I was like but like no it looks it looks fun I like Christmas we all like Christmas

more stuff so it looks good I guess my only complaint with the trailer because the trailer does it looks silly it looks zany

there's a certain point of it where you've got the guy whose name I can never remember from office space is sitting with

Ron Livingston okay yeah Thank you. And he's sitting next to his wife. And there's like all of the family are like, the evil murder family are like laughing. And it's psychotic. And it just reminded me, for some reason, it reminded me of like House of a Thousand Corpses, like that sort of crazy over decorated set with psychos doing psycho shit and regular people reacting to it.

So it's like my, I have a split opinion. It's first of all, they got every single person who was ever like a, what is that guy's name? from the early aughts that they could find. They've got somebody from Scrubs. They've got somebody from Reno 911. They have, it's all of them. And I'm fine with that.

I love all of those actors. But it's like they do the crazy people doing crazy shit. And it feels like Christmas is like the Christmas of it all. The theming of that is like, oh, fuck, how do we give people to come see this? I don't know, do Christmas.

Let's just make the whole thing at Christmas time and we'll put pose on everything. And it doesn't feel like that's what the movie is. It feels like what the movie is. feels like what the movie is like dressed up as, but I don't, I don't care. I like all those people. I think they're all funny.

Christmas horror movies have their place in the, I just want to watch something and turn my brain off and enjoy the laughs, even if they're bad. Like, so I'm excited for it. I'll see it. You got to find a way to make Christmas, like part of the kills,

like Thanksgiving. I actually like that movie, the Eli-Loss movie. And they played so much into like different Thanksgiving things. Like, they literally had that little temperature thing. pop out of a lady in the oven. That shit was wild.

So, like, if you can connect the holiday to the horror, then I think it makes for a better time. Like, in its weird way that makes me think, for Christmas specifically, it makes me think, and it's not killers, it's not human killers, but it makes me think of crampus, how many things in crampus are, they are being killed by the holiday Christmas. It is the thing killing them. So, yeah, I totally agree. Not enough movies with killer elves, man.

Those little fuckers are creepy, man. Also, for the record, Derek and I also absolutely love Thanksgiving that movie's fucking wild. Everybody here loves Thanksgiving except for Lance who's not here. Oh, okay. But we all, that's a great film.

Very underrated. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. It's like, yeah, I'll watch it. Instead of paying for one A-list actor, they just, like, bought all his friends. Yeah. Yeah, but like I said, dude,

Rob, Rob Wrigal and Lieutenant Dangle. I'll watch it just for those guys. All right. hilarious every time. Like Pedro said, this hits theaters April 30th. No, October 30th.

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that all right on to tremors from 1990 inhabitants of a small isolated town defend themselves against

strange underground creatures which are killing them one by one director is Ron Underwood also known for

city slickers a classic and mighty I love city slingers yeah writers Ron Underwood with SS Wilson and Brent Maddock SS Wilson said that he got the idea for the film while he was working for the U.S. Navy in the California desert.

What? While resting on a rock, he imagined what it might be like if something underground kept him from getting off the rock. That's when the best ideas come to you, man. When you're in the Navy hanging out in the desert. Probably on a lot of drugs. One idea by the special effects crew is for the worms to have an outer shell. When above the dirt, the shell would retract to reveal a slimyer inner worm.

However, many production members started to giggle at the phallic resemblance it had with the foreskin. So it was changed to the big worms sprouting several smaller worms from its mouth. So not so much like a penis. That was the right call. I feel like that was the right call. That's true. This could have been a classic for a different reason. All right.

Derek, you want to start us out? I would love to. This is a franchise that I absolutely love. It's one that like this movie came out the year I was born. So I have been watching these movies. My brother and I used to rent them constantly. It was like the first. three Trimmers movies and Grimlins

one and two, anytime we couldn't find something that we wanted new. So I've seen this first one I couldn't tell you how many times. And I absolutely love it. Every time I sit down to watch it, it's still like all of it comes back to me. There's so many

quotes and little moments that rattle around in my head. But I think from like a writing perspective, I think the story is the screenplay is like perfectly written. Everything has a setup and a payoff. You have comedy beats that are naturally earned. It doesn't set out to be a comedy. There are just things that naturally become funny from the character interactions. You have like some romance that doesn't feel force that like comes through in the right times. Your creature effects are absolutely insane. And it's the kind of film. making that's going on. It's like, I love that they use every trick in the book when it comes

to how to show you these creatures from puppet work to full-sized, like, you know, animatronic puppets and force perspective and rear projection and stop motion and everything. And it all comes together in this beautiful, beautiful, like, work of art in this weird way. The camera work is really good as well. I really noticed on this rewatch of like all these crane shots and the kind of long takes of them whenever they come up to

the guy's farm whose sheep have been decimated and they like slam on brakes and stop the truck and the camera's on them and then as they get out and they walk around and they're walking toward camera the camera pulls back and then cranes up and we see the full like stretch of this farm as they go

around and they're looking and trying to find them and then it turns around with them and goes over to the little farmhouse and whatever. And I just think it's those little moments that it doesn't draw attention to itself, but it's there. And I think structurally it's very much, it's very similar to like Steven Spielberg's jaws

in how it doles out its information, its use of POV shots for the worms like the shark. So, you know, and they hide them for a long time. You don't actually get to see them, for the first, I think, 30 minutes. The movie's about 90 minutes long, and it's like perfectly paced like that. It's like 30 minutes you finally get to see what it is.

And like, then it's just problem solving. It's just how do we, what new problem do we have? How do we fix that? Oh, they figured that out. How do we go from there? I just love it. I think it's perfect. Fair enough.

PJ. So the thesis of Derek and I show, third channel, is that he has been a horror fan, his entire life and we're old. So that's a long time. And I haven't... I would disagree with you guys being old, but okay. Okay, well, hey, everybody is the oldest they've ever been right now.

So I consider that. But we, that's the thesis of our show is that I have very recently gotten into all of this. And I dove in head first. I've now seen hundreds of these movies over the few years that I've been interested in it because that's, that is my passion is once I am interested in something, I can't not know everything about it. So these are movies that I saw in their entirety today. I had not seen them before today.

I like to save them for discussions like this whenever they come up. Now, normally we wait for our show, but we were so happy to be on this one that I was like, yeah, fuck at all. You know, I'm going to double feature them. I was surprised by a handful of things. I went into it blind. I didn't know almost anything about it.

The only thing I knew is that Kevin Bacon is in Friday the 13th, and Kevin Bacon is in tremors. Did you expect it to be silly? No, I didn't. I didn't know where to place it. What's so funny is that obviously there is horror elements. People get dragged under the ground. People scream.

People die. And the hilarity of the gratuitous violence against the gravoids. Them exploding into chunks and flying everywhere is so fucking funny. And there are, you know, Derek mentions their unintentional comedy beats. The funniest moment in this movie to me, is I don't know how better they could have done, you know, shot this moment is where the graboid has burst into Bert's fucking shelter basement. And the camera is like following them as they back up and they're shooting it. And they're like, we got to try something else.

And then it just reveals that the wall behind them is a hundred guns. And it's the funniest shot in the whole fucking movie. Kevin Bacon is hilarious in this movie. I was incredibly surprised to see Victor Wong. The only place that I know Victor Wong from is that John Carpenter movie. The name escapes me. Quick, Derek, help me. Prince of Darkness.

Yeah, great. Thank you. Big trouble and little chat. That's what I was thinking. And so Victor Wong is there. And then he's naming them. And I'm like, oh, well, it's Victor Wong. He's going to survive.

And then he just gets swallowed whole. And it's so funny. Every comedy beat is so earned. But the other thing about it is that weirdly, tonally, because of your main cast of three characters, what I was surprised by is that it feels almost like back to the future. It feels like you've got, you know, you've got your main young sort of lead with Kevin Bacon. Fred Ward is playing like an older, kind of grittier friend of his that reminds me of Doc. You've got, you know, the love interest that they get along so well.

and it's so, it just builds and builds and builds. And by the end of it, you're really rooting for these people. But it kind of comes to a head with that tone when Kevin Bacon's like, I have a plan and just takes off running. And they're like, oh, fuck. And they just follow him. And they win the day and the triumphant music swells. And they just stand together and they're happy.

They're not stressed for the first time in hours. And it did. It felt like it felt like an 80s action adventure sort of feel good movie. no I really really enjoyed it I think that it was better than I thought it could have been for reasons I did not think I would have to consider and so yeah I was I was very impressed with this movie all right

Pedro yeah I mean I agree with everything that PJ and Derek said so I'm not going to repeat that stuff I was going to say this this is a great example of like how casting could also change your film because the casting for this film was perfect. And there's so much charisma on screen, right? Because again, the script itself is,

I think it's perfect like Derek was saying, but with lesser actors, we would have seen, because the thing about the script is that it's not always in motion. There's a lot of slower parts in this film. You know, so lesser actors would have really bog that film down, I feel like, but because you have Fred War, you have Kevin Bacon, who have amazing chemistry together. It's a shame that there's a thousand of these films and they were never able to team up again. And so just that's a good example of like, that's why casting is important. The movie has a lot of heart to it and is very charming. And that's something that you can't fake.

And I think that's a lot of the stuff that we see in the movie. And yeah, it takes its time to introduce the characters. The, you know, the comedy parts are spaced out, but they hit at the right time. one of the funniest parts to me was when they had the what is it like the freezer box when it starts making the noise and starts shaking and and Kevin Bacon's idea was to just jump on top of it like he had no strategy to just jump on top of it and hold for the best and the problem with that is that the moment he jumps on top of it everybody else is trying to pull it aside so that they could unplug it but now they have to worry about big Kevin Bacon being on top of the damn box too so that was pretty funny you know if you see the whole action the sequence play out is pretty comedic um yeah, and I thought the payoff was good because they essentially kind of build Earl as this kind of like mentor to Val, right?

They even have that scene where they do the rope thing. He's like, oh, you're going to do the rope thing again? It's like, well, it always works. But in the end, Earl has to trust Val with his plan. That's the big payoff, right? Because Val is now going to take the lead. And, you know, he ends up getting rid of the last grabboid. And yeah, I do like how they kind of switched it up.

on us because the gore wasn't with the humans. It was with the grabboids. As far as human deaths, we really don't see much because they always get sucked in. We see a couple of trickles of blood here and there. But it's mostly the grabboys that take the big hits. And then we have like Rebo McIntyre, which is so underrated in this film. She's awesome. Yes.

As I always forget she's in it. Yeah. And Michael Gross as well. Both of them, again, talk about charisma, right? Both of them have excellent casting. as the right wing gun-toting, you know, people that just want to have their guns. They're in Nevada for a reason because of isolation. Nobody bothers them.

And they're just spewing off all these different weapons throughout the entire movie, you know, the nerdy's part of knowing your weapons. And then at the end, what's Michael Gross's name in the movie? I forget. What's the name? Bert Gummer. Bert, Bert, yeah. At the end, when their house is demolished and he's writing that big tractor trailer,

He's just all sad looking at the house, and, you know, he remembers why they moved in there. Yeah, a great movie. I revisited every couple of years. Just a mixture of everything. And it's just, it has so many elements that you just can't duplicate. Again, you see that charm kind of bleed out of the screen. And it just seemed like everybody was having a ball doing it. And so, you know, I don't know what else the young lady that plays the love interest.

I don't remember seeing her in anything else. Brian, you're usually good with this stuff. Has she shown up in anything else? Not that I can remember. Her name is was Finn Carter. She did sort of look like generic 80s actress number two, you know? Yeah, yeah. No, look at her filmography is very small.

Yeah, so I don't know. She is so uninvolved later on in Hollywood that when you look at the cast list on Google, on Google, her photo is just a man, like a bald man. like obviously not her they were like i don't fucking know what she looks like just use that guy okay yeah she's done a lot of tv okay um and yeah and then you have melvin who was who was i mean malvin's another character actor i think he's in night of the demons part two you know he shows up in different films different horror genre films uh you know playing that the young kid who keeps on you know playing pranks and and upsetting the adults um

Yeah, really good cast. So yeah, I give this a 10 out of 10. The spoiler alert for my rating. Just the perfect film in my eyes. Also has a little girl from Jurassic Park in it. Ariana Richards. I believe is her name? Yeah.

Early on. Steve, what you think? Well, I mean, obviously I picked the franchise because I like it. I saw this when I was young, impressionable. The few things that always stuck out. out where when they lifted the hat in the sheet pin and saw the head sticking up. And also the headlights, the car headlights that you see disappear. Yes.

And then Val and Earl wipe the dirt away later and find them. Like, I love all that. That shit is just, it's, it's a perfect movie. Everybody else is kind of going to go over all the finer details. but it's from beginning, I can't find anything to complain about about a single part of the movie. And nobody brought it up yet, but the music.

I think the music helps set the tone for a lot of the scenes. You can tell when things are supposed to be lighter and when they're supposed to be taking more seriously. So did a good job on the score. All right. Perfect film. Yeah, it's like, you know, you always know you're watching a while-written movie with its character.

characters when you kind of want to kick back with them, you know, and I wouldn't mind having a beer with Errol and Val and just kind of like hearing some other stories, because you know they got stories, right? You know, they lived the life. But would you take one out of that toilet? What? Would you take a beer at the toilet that they were drinking? Yeah, I don't remember that, you know.

I'll roll up with my own low carb coronas. Thank you. Brian, what did you think? Yeah, I agree with what everybody had to say, especially what Steve said. It's a damn near perfect movie. Yeah. Love the practical effects. I really love that it's basically a throwback to old school monster movies, old school creature features.

And I really love that. I love the cast, everybody from Kevin Bacon to Revan McIntyre to the little girl. I forgot her name again. What is it, Derek? Arianna Richards. Yeah. And just love it. I watched it as a kid

and I still watch it today. There's one character that is like that I could point out as being like the stupidest character. Like it's that full nestor. The guy that jumps on the tires. The guy jumps on the tire and gets sucked through every time.

I'm like you fucking dummy. Like do you not understand what's happening right now? There is something satisfying though in movies like this where you do have the big monster and you have somebody who just in spite of all of their warnings

doesn't understand how to avoid the big monster and then dies in a spectacularly stupid way. That is always, I don't know, it's kind of true to life in a lot of ways and I'll leave it like that. Oh, that shit. Well, I see.

Yeah, man, I definitely agree. The only problem I had with this movie was that opening scene where, Kevin Bacon is trying to hit that staple with the hammer and he misses it like fucking six times. Yeah, but that's intentional. That's to let you know he sucks. Yeah,

they're handymen, but they're not good handymen. It is pretty funny. Like, did you look at Fred Ward's face while that was happening? Like, he's like, what the fuck are you doing?

But it's really good. But the writing is just, it's pretty great. It builds. exactly like a classic movie should, you know, like they should teach a film course on this movie. Because it's got like the same beats as like a Jurassic Park kind of thing or a Jaws, you know? And yeah, I, it's a classic. It's good every time I watch it. Every time I turn it on, I'm like, uh, fixing to get blasted with some, uh, you know,

nostalgia and it's not really going to be as good as I remember it being. And every time it's, as good as I remember it being. It's the pace. It's paced so perfectly. There's no low spots where you're like, it was good, but then there's like this 20 minutes where you're like, what the fuck?

Like the whole movie is just beat for beat until it's over. Is this Kevin Bacon's prime? Yeah. It's kind of hard to say because he had a couple of them. You know, he had like the teeny boppy era and then he went to like legitimate actor status. So,

but he's in the. middle of it here i would say so yeah for sure um yeah so you know it's funny because i also like the fact that they never tell us what they are like we never get an explanation as to what these things are we just we're kind of like them we just like we just have assumptions and theories and you know i feel like if this was done today they would have had the military show up with the scientists that knows everything you would have had the five-minute exposition apart where they're telling you everything that's happening you're gonna get that apple plus six episode prequel to tell you how they were genetically created and also the shit.

Right. I don't know about the later ones. I mean, I've only seen one, two, and three. So I don't know if the later ones to explain what's happening, but this one and just, you know, just the part one, you just have to kind of just accept whatever you know about them. And I think that's pretty cool.

Yeah. I, one more point that I'd like to add about the, you know, with these great actors. And Pedro, you mentioned that with without the actors and Steve touched on this as well, that you see those big slow moments, you see those things. But another thing, I swear to God, I'm not going to turn this conversation into Star Wars.

I swear to God. Just that's one point about Star Wars. In Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, something that they do is they tell you, hey, Obi-Wan and Anakin are really good friends, by the way. But you never see that. They talk about memories. They talk about stories. But you don't ever watch that play out.

It's just we have to be told that. Right. Because those actors, A, have no chemistry. and B, the script just didn't call for anything that would show you that. This movie, once it starts, there is no doubt in my mind that these two men have been friends forever, that they are very close, that they have this back and forth, they haven't understood hierarchy in their ways. The two of theirs relationship, I think, is what makes the movie. And then I think what makes the movie like a Spielberg movie, like something that is a feel-good ending,

is then her joining that three and them walking off together. And I just, I absolutely adore Fred Ward in this movie. And by the way, and this is way more noticeable in the sequel, Fred Ward looks exactly like John Bernthal, who plays the Punisher. They look, oh, yeah. They look exactly to the point where I Google, while Derek and I were watching it, I Google and I was like, are these guys fucking related? And no, they're not, but they absolutely could be because, well, Fred is,

unfortunately Fred Ward has passed, but you know what I mean? They look absolutely bizarrely identical. Looks like John Baranthar's uncle or something. Yeah, that's what I said. All right. Fred War has a little more range than John Berthal, I feel like. Yeah, John Bernthal's good at the thing. Fred Ward is good at a handful of things.

Let me tell you something, all right? Scores, Derek, what do you think? Out of 10. Well, I'm going to go. 10 on 10. So I already said that earlier. All right. Ray Jones got it. Oh, yeah. I'll go.

10. 10 for me easy. 10 on 10. 10 on 10. Derek, I think you're, are you still muted? Oh, no, I'm good. I, I mean, I have to agree. Like, it's, it's a perfect film. I can't find anything wrong with it. You made a good point of like, yeah, sometimes you put these sorts of movies on and you're like, is it just the nostalgia? you, I've watched this my whole life.

It can't be as good as I remember. And it's like, no, beat for beat, it's just, it's great. It's, uh, it is that what we've all been kind of dancing around, uh, of like that 80s, 90s, like, amblin feel that's not an amblin film. And, and it just pulls it off so, so magically. Um, and Steve, those, those exact moments are the ones that stick in my head that you mention of like them picking up that hat and the face bit, you know, the face being underneath it.

the car lights into the sky and then them dusting it off later and like putting all the it's putting all the puzzle pieces together and we don't know any more than the characters know and we're learning along with them and it's the them trying to leave and they choose the exact wrong day to do it

because then it's like they're stopped every step of the way and it just builds to this incredible like dumb movie that's about giant worm like yeah but it's just so much fun um so yeah 10 out of 10 good description bj uh to the surprise of no one i also give this film a 10 because a a it was a 10 and b i'm i'm part of the group think and i can't make opinions on my own no uh i i give it a 10 i i'm in an

interesting position where i am not i am very new into being in the world of you know, this sort of film critic, what we do where we expound on specific things and talk about different techniques and camera work. And I don't know any of the nomenclature. I don't know how any of it is specifically done. I am told by Derek because Derek knows and I just now kind of nebulously understand these things. So all of the reviews I've ever given a movie, both on our show and Letterbox now here, it's all based just on the feel of it. because I don't have enough education to be able to speak on anything from a technical perspective. But from the feel, the amount of times during this horror movie that I laughed out loud so hard or just like had the thought of like, oh, that's really well done.

Her at one point, her character going, you know, she's like, oh, shit. Pardon my French. And it's like, that is so effortlessly charming. and the monster is so well done and gross and you know it's it feels so pervasive it crawls under their homes it eats their cars and also the direction of this movie touches on all of these very popular sort of like you you mentioned the headlights falling in and it's like against the night sky and you just see those two beams and that is so beetle juice it feels so like early tim Burton comedy and then you switch to

like metaluda mutants with the monster design and the way that they're clearly puppeted feels very henson like you know and you have moments that feel like pans labyrinth but from this era and it's just you have so many things to like and nothing to dislike so yeah I give it a 10 all right Brian easy 10 oh damn this might turn into the highest rated shit movie yeah I well I mean I Everybody else is giving it a 10, so I guess I have to. Okay. Should we play?

Yeah, pressure. What would Lance a score be? Uh, poor on 10. No, I think, I think he would get, I think he would give it at least a nine. No, I don't know about that. I think he'd sit, he's sitting at a 7.58 at most. Because Lance, Lance would, I feel like Lance would bring up the slowest part, the slower parts of the movie. And you'll see that as a negative.

And then he's like, he's like, well, I want my movie to be more exciting. And this was, we'll get something like that. Yeah, but the slower spots in this one are all character building. Oh, man. Looks like Bugs Bunny running around. Oh, yeah, that's right. The more older, I want to say outdated, but the older like special effects, he would call that out and it would be like, okay. I like that, though.

I like that, but it's funny shit. Like, I like it in Children of the Corn. I like it in this. Yeah. No, I wouldn't want us to be any other way. Lans is. We love Lans. And that's exactly why he's on here for shit like that.

So that would be cool. But yeah, I don't think he would give it a 10. And then one last thing to mention that I noticed pretty early on is that for something so silly, because we're talking about the Bugs Bunny shit, something so silly and something that has so many moments of tension breaking, to break tension, you have to have developed real tension. And that happens a lot of times in this movie. For as silly as it is and as ugly as the wormy monsters are, it's like they're tearing their houses. apart. They're eating their cars. They have swallowed three people whole in front of them.

And it's like, yeah, you can't step on the ground. Yeah. It's a moment that I remember being really tense and really well performed puppeteering and acting. And it's Kevin Bacon is standing there. And the grabboids mouth, you know, the three mouth tentacles, the three xenomorph mouths are feeling around for him. And he's having to tiptoe around them, but his foot can't touch the ground. And it's like, it's just incredible. It's good action. It's good. and it touches the horror vein. And I, yeah, I, I, I, I, I, there's nothing wrong with this one. It was such a good day today, man.

Even the first dead body they, they find when they bring him down, they're like, what God, I'm a heart attack? It's like, then I died of thirst. Yeah. Fuck, like he's been up there for how long. Like that immediately sets the stage for a mystery. Yeah. So it's really fun.

Yeah. All right. On to Trimmers too. Not as good. Not as good. Well, I don't think. I don't think there's going to be a 10 on 10 for many. No, no, no.

This one is from 1996. Earl Bassett, a now washed up ex-celebrity, is hired by a Mexican oil company to eradicate a graboid epidemic that's killing more people each day. However, the humans aren't the only one with a new battle plan. Director SS Wilson, also known for Tremors 4, The Legend Begins, a movie that I did not know, existed. Which is weird coming after part three, which takes place in the Old West. Writers are Ron Underwood, S.S. Wilson, and Brent Maddock. Those are the same people as the first one. Are they not? Yep. All right.

To achieve the infrared view of the shriekers as seen in several scenes, spoiler alert, the actors wore red suits and yellow stockings then were then were shot in high eight videotape and blown up to 35 millimeter film to add an additional grainy effect to the post-production video engineers then rendered the faces and bodies in different colors that's whatever it takes man whatever it's heat sensing all right and they couldn't afford a heat sensing cameras and they're like we're going to make this four those. Yeah, fair enough.

Derek, what do you think about tremors two? I really like this movie a lot. This is the one that I especially thought. There's moments in both two and three, which I just, not to be that guy, but Trimmers Four is the one that takes place in the Old West. It is the prequel, like the Old West prequel.

Three is called Back to Perfection. It's where Bert becomes the main character. character, which is part of the reason why I absolutely love it for even as schlocky as it gets. But there are moments in both two and three that kind of, it's been years since I've watched it. So I'm like, does this happen in this one or is it that one? I can't really remember. And so things like the big moment that I was like, okay, it's here, is Bert, this is toward the end where he shoots at one of them and ends up shooting like through it, through two buildings,

some barrels and then into the truck that they're trying to get to. And that whole reveal there is incredible. But yeah, it's definitely a step down from the first. It's almost like to go with the Steven Spielberg of it all. It feels like the step down

from like Jurassic Park to the lost world where they kind of do the same thing again. They try and have some, you know, let's throw some bigger dinosaurs out there or some different creatures. in this case. And it doesn't work quite as much. I think that the comedy in this one,

it's like this one feels like they're trying to make it funny. And to me as a kid, like my brother and I, I remember I was laughing so much at this movie, different things that happen, different little moments. This one, it's like,

it has a few moments and I'm like, okay, that's genuinely funny. But for the moment, it's not as earned as the original. And, but I do like that it, in the same way that the first one like starts as this mystery like Steve had said. And then we finally learned that, you know, what these creatures are.

And then we have to figure out how to fix that and get around, you know, not being able to get on the ground and whatnot. This one does the same thing where it's like the first, it's almost perfectly structured in that the first like 30 minutes of the movie is a very quick kind of we know what we're doing with these grabboids. We have a plan. We're going to go out there. we're going to blow them up.

We're going to use our little toys, cars, and drive them around with dynamite and do the thing. It's like, oh, well, we've solved the problem. We haven't even started. And then they start, like, the grabboids start figuring out how to get around that. And it's like, okay, well, then now we have to call in backup. And then you bring in Burt. And I think this movie takes off once Burt is reintroduced.

I love Fred Ward's character. I mean, obviously, like, the new guy is not anywhere close to as enjoyable as Kevin Bacon, and they're dynamic as well. And they don't try to recreate the same dynamic, which is the smart thing. It's like he's not the same character as much as they poke fun at it the whole movie with, well, I'm the new guy. Are you the new guy? Is that the new guy? And it's like they know what they're doing. They know that people aren't going to take that the same way. So draw attention to it and poke fun at it and move on. but I do like kind of where their dynamic ends up and I think that the

the creature effects in this one might be even better than they are in the first one. There is a point where they are stuck on that rock and they're hearing the graboid that's like jutting out of the ground like howling and we see it thrashing around on the ground a bit and it's like I look at that thing And it's like, that looks like a living creature.

That looks like a real thing on this earth. And it wouldn't surprise me if that's what it was. It doesn't look like a puppet. It doesn't look like an animatronic. It doesn't look like whatever that might be. It's the skin looks real. I love the design for it. And when you get to the shriekers, like the mandibles,

how they open up and the whole shell of it, very, the aliens from Starship Troopers, the way that the beaks kind of. kind of open. And so I just, and this one, I don't know if it's the same for the first film, but for this one I saw it was the Tippett studio, did the effects. So Phil Tippett, who worked on the original Star Wars, whose studio just recently announced that they're closing, unfortunately. But, but yeah, I think that this one tries hard.

I think it's, as it goes along, I think the movie gets better, the further along it gets. And it builds to, I love like Bert kind of screw. up several times over the thing. And he has some of the most memorable quotes in this movie of running out of ammo and not being told all the details that he needed. And I like this movie a lot, but it is a noticeable step down from that,

the perfection of tremors. Hard to bring that back. PJ, what do you think? I look at this one as just purely a comedy. and I think we all would but there is no tension whatsoever in this movie.

They do one thing very well in this and one thing very bad I think from a narrative perspective. So I'll start with the bad thing. The first thing they do that's negative is they show a huge montage of blowing up the monster that was the massive threat in the first one.

And so immediately the monster isn't scary anymore, which is fine. If they're not making a horror movie, fine. The monster doesn't need to be scary. one thing they did well is they took the things that make the first one silly

and went, well, we can't get the original cast back. It's been so many years since we made the original. So much time has gone by. And it reminds me so much of gremlins to gremlins too. Gremlins has scary concepts. There are monsters that the rules of are, you know, can be frightening and they can be predatory and these little cute creatures, even though they're small and, you know, they can be cartoonish.

still hurt and maim and kill people. And the second one, it's like, eh, fuck it. We don't give a shit. We're putting this in a high-tech super tower, and we're going to have them literally be cartoons. Like, we just don't, it doesn't matter. So the montage of blowing up the graboids,

A, it diminishes your villain. It diminishes the monster that they're supposed to be afraid of. So even when they become the little like demigorgon dog things, you know, that are bipedal, even when that happens, They shoot it once and it's dead. And you've lost a lot of that tension. But then that lets it, that lets the comedy breathe a lot more.

It's the moment that Derek mentioned where Bert shoots the hole through a mile of things is so goddamn funny that I reacted. I could not breathe. And it's so funny. And they get to the truck and he goes, how would I have known? And then later they lock all the like walking grabboids in the barn. And they're like, what does this word mean in Spanish? And they're like, it means fucking food.

it's wheat flour and he it's that beat and he's like how would I have known and he just keeps he keeps doing the right thing in the worst possible way my uh gross is the best part of this movie without a doubt he's already one of the better parts of the first one he is so good in this movie the him being like i am out and he's holding two huge guns and he's like i am out of all of my ammunition and he doesn't seem upset about the fact that he was almost just killed he seems upset about the fact that he doesn't have any more bullets he can touch with his hands. And it's so funny, the whole montage of the grabboids blowing up takes from the first one where everyone's like, it's really funny when they explode.

And just like, you see the big plume of dirt and then guts hit everyone. And they were like, oh, you guys like that? Well, that's something we can do. We're really good at that. And they do it over. And it's the first time where Earl holds the umbrella up and Grady's too slow and he can't get it. And he's covered in it. And it's very funny.

they do little great establishing visual shit here, the spectrograph or the stereograph, whatever it's called. And they reuse the same footage of it a dozen times, but it doesn't matter. It's cute. It shows how they're tracking it. And, you know,

they establish kind of what the grabboids are. Again, it doesn't matter. It doesn't change the plot of the movie at all. But it's just silly. And the silliness continues to build and build. And Fred Ward, who is kind of the badass of the first movie, he's like, he's gritty. He cusses a lot.

He's like, you know, he's an old cowboy. He seems really cool. And in this movie, Fred Ward just goes along with the bullshit. And he's so funny and he's so charming. And he plays that like, even though he is the People Magazine hero, right, that everyone knows. He's got the arcade game in his house. He's the expert. He has no idea what he's doing.

He's making it up on the fly. It's all just, I like this movie a lot because I am a fan of the silly cartoon movie. I do agree visually. It's a small cast. I mean, outside of the one or two people that establish the plot, your cast is three and then four people. It's almost nobody. I think that works for the movie for a lot of it,

but then those slow moments where it is just the characters, you don't have the town. You don't have the people you can cut between, so they get a bit drier. It suffers from a lot of just those minor things, but as a comedy, I think it works very well. I think that most people that look like they know what they're doing, are actually just making it up as they go along.

Big time. 100% yeah, yeah. That's a secret to life. Just fake it till you make it. Google searches. Yeah. Like you guys were saying, it is a comedy and I'm not,

you know, I'm not already, I'm not a big fan of cartoons in general. I like to have my stories have something at stake. It's just the way I am. So already I was a little turn off by that. I will say that I did appreciate

like the first 10 minutes of the film, you know, where the new guy goes and looks for Earl and tries to convince him to go hunt down these grabboids. I like how the groundwork that was laid out in the first one really impacts you in the first 12 minutes, 50 minutes of the second one, because you do feel his loneliness. You know, you do feel that Val has gone on to marry Rhonda

and they're happily ever after. And he was kind of left holding the bag because he tried to start up. What did you say? Is it like an ostrich ranch or something like that? And it just kind of went belly up. So he spent all his fortune that he made, you know, touring around the world as this big superhero that killed the graboids

or really discovered the graboids because Victor Wong died. So they took the credit from him because he was the one that originally named them and was going to take credit for all that. But so I thought that was pretty cool. I thought you feel the punch in the beginning. You feel his frustration. But then once they get to Mexico, quote unquote Mexico, which was probably just British Columbia somewhere.

wherever they're going to get the task credit. I don't know. I thought it lost something. Again, I'm not a big fan of these kind of silly comedies. It's the Wally Coyote thing. I'm not really into that. So it lost me a little bit. I found myself, and I really never do this,

but I found myself kind of going from my phone at certain times in the movie because I was like, this is not connecting with me in any way. There was some gore in it. You know, I think, I think it was the other Pedro, when he got his hands tied and you see the hands kind of like, I think it was with the blood. That was pretty cool. I do like how they adapted the creators.

They understood that, again, they understood their limitations. So they went from having the grab boys, which were very limiting budget-wise to the new, like PJ was saying, those demigargens or whatever the hell. So that was cool. That was very, very clever that they adapted to that because they knew that they could do more. with that, especially from a comedy perspective.

But all in all, yeah, I didn't really connect with me. And I've seen all the Trimmers films. I haven't seen them in years. So this is kind of the end of the line for me. Like after this, because they would get progressively sillier as they went along. I think the last one, and then this new guy, I think he's in all of them from this point forward. He ends, there's, I think the last one, he's looking for his dad, I think.

And then he finds his dad. and it's it's all the whole thing. But yeah, so it wasn't, yeah, it was okay, I guess, for a one, for a revisit, but it's not a movie that I'm going to watch again. That's fair. Steve, what do you think? Okay, I get to be shitty. I did not like it.

I hate this dude, Grady. This dude Grady sucks. He's hell of dumb. He doesn't know what's going on. He doesn't know what the fuck rock paper scissors is. Where do you fuck have you been living in your life? That is a big, fucking issue. I don't like his stupid

fingerless gloves that don't match anything he's wearing. I don't like the fact that he's constantly like acting surprised about the situation that he fucking signed up for. I don't understand his whole character and the chemistry between this lady

and Fred Words character doesn't exist. There's miles between the chemistry of these two. I don't get nothing from there back and forth. The shriekers are pretty cool. I like the practical effects. I like their little membranes that pop up

and you get your predator vision. Upgrading the creatures is always fine. I don't have a huge issue with that. It's just that like, it kind of betrays the character of Earl to me a little bit. Like he was, him and Val,

Best Buds, whatever. Even if Val were to move away, like, they barely lived through that last encounter. Like they almost died all every five minutes. Yeah, like a lot. And then now he's like, money, beer?

Sure, I'll go hunting. Like, do you guys remember when the fucking things in the last movie threw the bomb back at you because they understood what you were doing? Like, this isn't a fucking gonna work all the time over and over. So it does have its highlights.

I do like the umbrella bit. And I do like, of course, Burt Gummer pulling up with his arsenal and constantly I like him stuck in the little bucket with all the shriekers around him Yeah, that's a good little beat But man, almost everything about this movie

Bugged the shit out of me So I was sorry to show on everybody's parade But especially great Classic territory Especially Grady Fuck that guy, he sucks I'll challenge that a little bit

I think And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna die on this hill Steve, like I agree with you and that his motivation to go risk his life was, you know, it wasn't the best. But they do try to tell you that he's very emotionally distraught. And I want to believe that that's really what guided his decision. It was just a little bit of jealousy on Val because Val went off and lived happily ever after life. Val has money. So to him is like he burned it all up.

He's broke. He lives in like a trailer. So he's like, he might have been downright suicidal, to be honest with you. So to him it was like, fuck it. If I die here, I die because look at where I'm at. So I'm going to give him that. But again, I agree with you as well. Like, I could see why people would, that motivation is not enough, considering what they went through in part one.

I also don't feel like a movie like this has that kind of motivational backbone behind its silly script. That's true. I think it was just that he wanted money. And plus, besides the fact, like, no, he's not married and all that. But he lives in a pretty fucking sweet trailer with a goddamn arcade movie. machine and like I'm doing all right not a bad setup it's not bad you know I think I would live in a trailer if it had the original X-Men arcade game in it yeah for sure yeah I'm saying like he's not doing that bad like yeah he's got an ostrich farm that he you know the ostrichs don't

very much get along with him but like he's got everything I don't know it just feels weird like like a like a weird motivation but just like Jurassic Park like how are we need these fuckers back to the island like and all they do is offer him money and he's like, here I am. I am glad they didn't move it to like sepia tone when they got to Mexico, though. That was the breath of fresh air. So they just changed the music, which was a little, well, I guess they're in Mexico. They're playing a mariachi music.

And do they ever explain where this guy Grady came from? Because I thought he was just a recruiter in the beginning. And then all of a sudden he just makes himself his partner. And they're going to share the profits. I don't think, I don't know. I don't think they ever explain how that happened because... No, he showed up with the Mexican guy in the beginning. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, Pedro was out there waiting for him. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, he tells Earl that he is like a mega fan of the Graboid saga of these people's lives, but he is their cab driver and then talks him into it because of like a studious sort of nerdy passion and is like, if you go, I want in, I'd risk everything to join you. and I don't like that character either but who authorizes that

he's got no he's got no qualifications to you know it's a suicide mission I really don't think they care about this guy's qualification that's right he's gonna throw himself at the problem and die that way then fine and that that fucking comedic beat with the chains went on for like 30 minutes too long

I'm like would you just get the fuck out of the scene already like I was getting irritated I don't know that he'd let him stick around Like I was doing some work at this guy's house the other day and he had his like crackhead neighbor helping me out. And I'm nice enough where I just let him hang around, but I didn't let him do much because I was like fucking destroys everything he touches. I don't know if I'd have been letting Grady do anything. I'm okay with like the goofy sidekick. And the best example in all of human history is goofy.

I am fine with Goofy being pals with Mickey or Patrick Star being friends with like the idiot one that fuck stuff up. I'm normally fine with that, especially from a comedy perspective. Yeah. But then there is a there is this line, this tightrope that you have to fucking walk where you go from a believable character who is either overenthusiastic and a little stupid

or incredibly stupid. And you have to you have to make it work within the confines of these characters because if you don't, the sidekick ends up more, it's not the main character morphs the sidekick into someone. The sidekick morphs the main character. And I find that that happens, yeah, I find that happens in this where Grady is so ridiculous and incompetent and just a bumbling moron

that eventually Earl is making terrible decisions. And it's like one of the things I love so much about the first movie is that there are challenges that change. You have to pull vault over the rocks. You have to go on the roofs and then they're moving the roofs. So now we have to go into this big cat and drive the tractor trailer and all these things. In this movie, they don't have that for a very long time. Prox are fine.

And then when you have that, it's like they're walking behind doors because of the infrared vision. And they do do some creative problem solving. But it's like bumbling from everyone. It's okay that Grady is silly and dumb and he doesn't know. It's okay that Bert is overly like authoritative and then buck stuff up because those are integral to the characters that rightly or wrongly we have in this movie. But then I agree with what everyone said about the Earl character, which is he just slips down into stupid.

And it's like that character is a badass in that first movie and makes the movie, it drives the movie. So not having that in this one just feels cheap. And there's no payoff. Like if there was some payoff for Grady, like if he was like at some point in the movie, some shit was going down. And Grady was like, I know how to do that.

And it's like, holy crap, okay, finally, you were here for a reason because you're the only person. Nothing. He serves no purpose. I hate him. Brian, what do you think? Okay. I like that they brought Earl and Bert back.

I love that they're still using. and practical effects. I love the evolution of the graboids to the shriekers, but what takes me out of this movie is Grady. Steve, I'll raise your rock paper scissors, and I'll throw in the fact that after most of the day of tracking and catching grabboids, he, sorry guys,

he doesn't remember to pick up the radio off the ground. Yeah. And it leads to more bad comedic stuff with him. Or when the Gravoid like drags their truck backwards and then he just gets out and like walks up the hill, I'm just like, none of the rules make sense.

Yeah. You know what's funny? Because there's a moment like that later on too where he's like he keeps walking behind the truck and he keeps getting in the dirt and Earl has to keep reminding him. I think that that's, and this is probably wrong.

It's probably just stupid. and I'm just being realistic, but I like to think it's because they spend the entire beginning of the movie blowing them up, effortlessly. It takes them no time to kill these things. So the fear of them, Grady never experiences. So he's willing to take stupid risks,

but also that's probably reading way too much into this. And I'll finish this with saying, I'm glad that Burke got his playmate crush because they ain't getting no money for blowing up that entire facility. Good point. Well, they should be getting a shitload of money for all the grabboids they killed, right? Is that happening? You know that motherfucker ain't paying.

They're going to be waiting for that check forever. Guaranteed. They're still alive. Is that what Trimmer's 3 is about? Yeah, this one was definitely a step down, like a big step down. This was a silly cash grab off of a, a sequel that probably didn't need to exist in the first place. But they just went straight creature feature with it

instead of actually building a good base and building a movie on top of that. They were just like, ah, make it funny. Don't some creature stuff in there, kill some stuff. We got grabboid guts flying through the air, some comic stuff. It'll be fine.

It'll make money. It's not surprising that Kevin Big. saw the script and was like, I'm okay. Yeah. I think that was a good decision. Well, it wasn't even a theatrical, so that's problem number one. It was straight to video. Oh, well, that makes sense.

Well, that's what they did with a lot of sequels in the 90s, I think. So this was sort of right in line. This was like a B movie based on what should be an A movie. I don't know if Trimmers would count as an A movie. I think it does I mean it had a hell of the cast in it Oh yeah though the first one yeah for sure Yeah that's an A movie

This is a B movie All right Scores Derek what do you think I don't disagree With a lot of the points made I Yeah Grady as a character is Grading on the nerves

For the entirety of the film but I think I like the way that it builds its tension later on I think there's the middle part of the movie where they're still, they're then trying to figure out what is happening to this grabboid, what has come out of it,

how is it changed, and then what are the new rules and how do we do that? It's like they're trying to recapture the magic of that from the first film. And I think they do a good enough job of that. They're, you know, are moments, but none of them are as, earned as the original.

So I don't know. I'm still, and I'm probably still looking at some of this nostalgia goggles for sure. But I'll go, I'll give it, I'll give it a seven. Seven out of ten? That's not, that's a good score. PJ, what do you think? I am also biased, but not from nostalgia.

I'm biased because I watched them back to back. And I rode the high of a movie that we all gave a 10 out of 10 and all loved inherently. And I finished that movie and then went into this one immediately. So I think it's already going to be higher in my mind because it was just so natural from one to the other. The criticisms, I agree with all of them. I agree with all of them from the perspective of a horror movie,

from the perspective of a movie that sequels something that was so good at setting up tension and payoff setups and all of these things that work well and make movies feel, you know, memorable and good. but if I take the moment and look at it from a completely different lens, if I look at this like fucking Ace Ventura, just an absolutely strange, you know, subpar comedy that just makes fun of its original.

It is, like I said earlier, it's Gremlins too. If I look at it that way, I really like this movie. The annoying character is annoying. That bothers me because he never gets, he never gets his justice. He's not ever like, you know, back of the head slap because he's being an idiot. That never happens and that bothers me because I wanted to slap him.

So not seeing that happen on screen was like a huge bummer. But yeah, no, I, as a comedy, I would give this movie a seven as a sequel to tremors and as a horror movie because it still fits in that genre, even on fucking, you know, it's streaming services. I'm like four and a half. it just doesn't serve the purpose of a horror movie at all. But I love comedies, and I think this movie is really fucking funny when it is. Like, it's really memorably funny. Yeah, they lean heavily into the comedy aspect of this one.

Pedro, what do you think? I mean, yeah, I didn't like this at all. But even to kind of piggyback on PJ's points, I agree with everything you said, but at the same time, it bothers me when sequels kind of, of destroy or change a lot of the established rules of the universe created from the first one. And we say that a lot, you know, and this one particularly did that. This one did a lot of damage

to Bert. It did a lot of damage to Earl because those are completely different characters from the first movie. And to me, when I see that, I see cash grab and the writers don't really care for the fan base. I see a lot of lack of care for the characters. I think in recent years, like Joker Part 2 was like the biggest corporate. Like they completely changed that character. And so I'm going to give it a five on 10. That's going to be my score for this, which is a bad score. And, you know, Lance would say it's a mediums, but it's a bad score. Five on 10. Immediately.

Sorry, I do that a lot. Thank you. For those of you to watch the geeks, that is a joke. Yeah, I'm sitting kind of like, I wonder how. Brian's going to price is right me on this but I'm I'm out of four on this it's it's not I'm just not a big I'm not a big fan it it changes the characters changes the setting um and it adds an element to the movie that I hate so it's hard it's hard to how do you not know what rock paper scissors is man he was like what does that mean I was like what the fuck is going on do. There's no way. Wait a minute.

Paper Beach Rock, right? He lived under the rock that that motherfucker in the Navy was sitting on. Like, it's wild. So, four. All right. Brian? I would give it a four, but I do have the price is right, Steve. So, four.

Oh, four point two, five. Every time I knew. I'm going to go somewhere in the middle. You know what? I'm going to give this one a six. I'll go up a little. I was talking shit about Grady because he's kind of an awful character. But I kind of don't hate when they have that really stupid character in there

played against some of the others. It had some good comedic beats. It just, you know, it wasn't the original. But what are you going to do? All right. Well, man, I guess that's it. it. Steve, what do you got going at the geeks? We are doing our recordings of 31 days of horror,

doing all the evil dead movies this year. Plus, we recorded some, we recorded a bunch of random ones already. Some good, some very bad. But that's kind of how it always goes. We do a lot of blind watches, like a little will just find something on TV and it was like, I watched this and now you have to.

Or like, one time he picked a movie and then I watched like the 1979 version instead of the 2026 version. You know, and it's like, no, motherfucker, you got to watch that 72 version now, too. I'm not the only one's suffering with him. So we're doing that. A lot of brackets we're getting into over there. Yeah, just kind of doing it. It's been hard with everybody's schedules lately.

Yeah. We've been missing a lot of shows. Oh, I know how that goes. Yeah, there it is with the geeks. Derek and PJ, what do you guys got going on? I mean, right now we are, uh, try to think what's posted versus what we're recording. We're just wrapping up the Firefly trilogy from Rob Zombie,

and then we will be covering the Lords of Salem as kind of our bridge between franchises, where then we will move into the Hatchet franchise, which I mentioned earlier. That'll be our October franchise. For the record, I pushed really hard for Hatchet at this point, because Hatchet may be the greatest, horror movie series of all time.

And I believe firmly that the third Hatchet film is a perfect 10 out of 10. Oh, wow. So if you guys ever cover Hatchet, just know in the back of your head, it's a 10 out of 10 for me. I don't know. A couple years ago, me and a little did the whole wrong turn series. Surprising how good as a whole of that series. Yeah.

The new one wasn't bad. I was like shocked. I was like, we didn't give any of these like a bad review. There's something to love. Yeah. Crazy. And then we're following, we'll end our October and kind of the end of our season, if you will, with a movie that we all know and love from the last time I was on this show back in March

for Found Footage, March Madness. Behind the Mask, The Rise of Leslie Vernon. We'll be covering that for our, like, Halloween episode this year. And then we also recently, we've been a podcast, third channel, has been going for just shy of two years now. And for the last six months or so, we've been doing Patreon as well. So we're doing our weekly episodes on the main feed.

And then we do about every three weeks or so, we get another film discussion out there. And so we just covered the Rocky Horror Picture Show. And, you know, kind of as a love in for Tim Curry and for, like PJ said earlier, what we do on a monthly basis with our cast of Hell on Heels. and then we'll be covering Zach Krueger's

Resident Evil next. So, I can't wait to hear what you guys have to say about it. Our Patreon is a really good platform. If you guys like discussions that are about what we consider horror-esque movies, we've covered obviously we've covered a couple genuine horror movies, things like the 2003

Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, things like sinners. But we've also discussed Beetlejuice and we've discussed Sam Ramey Spider-Man which is an incredible fucking movie. So we spice things up as far as genre films go with our Patreon. And then the last thing I think we have going on

is what Derek said earlier. He and I are fucking neurotic. And we love Halloween horror nights. And so our stories on Instagram, our stories on our socials constantly contain looks at what we're doing there and things like houses we're going through. Our episodes, our main feed episodes,

right now all contain thoughts on the houses that are out there. So if you're local to the Tampa area, just in case, or the Orlando area, we're covering all of that too. So, yeah, we'd love to have you. And thank you for watching this show as well. I was going to say really quick, I've been watching Derek's feed as far as your stories you post on Instagram. And because I would say I'm about 10 years older than you guys, give or take. I'm burned out on Halloween horror nights.

And I have one here in L.A. myself. So I went from about 2010 to about 2024. like so it was like a 14 year run and it was awesome but nowadays i'm just the old guy who like it's too crowded it's you know it's like i don't know but i like but i like the nostalgia part i like reliving it through derrick stories is pretty cool uh you wouldn't catch me there there anymore i don't like you know but still uh just seeing if i i think back to back in the day you know how fun it was to be there and then just cut loose and and whatnot so it's cool to see back yeah i pay way too much for the mortgage to be wanted a ghost you know i'll also

stay a home, man. But it's really interesting of The Rise of Leslie Vernon. I think that was the very first show I did with you guys, for Returns, the very first one that I brought that I picked the movie for. I picked Rise of Leslie version

because that's been one of my favorite horror movies for years. I would say that's another near perfect script. If you see that film, like the way it's paced and the fact that after all the comedy parts, in the first half, it somehow finds a way to still be scary in the third act.

Because it's pretty scary. You know, and I, it's very underrated. And I'm glad there's a sequel coming, you know, and supposedly in the next couple of years. So, yeah, so I'll be on the lookout to check it out when you guys talk about that film. Yeah, you almost like don't think he's going to do it. And then he goes out into the closet and you hear him. And then he comes back in and you're like, holy shit. Like, this is going to go down now.

So very good. So if you like. So if you liked any of our takes, Derek and I, and you like, like we all obviously do the rise of Leslie Vernon, that will be out at some point before the end of the year. But yeah, thank you for asking. And thank you for having us. I know that. Seriously. Derek was here for your March Madness episode.

We've been, you know, kind of podcast friends for a very long time. This is my first time talking to you guys. And I just had a fucking blast. This was, this was great. Thank you for having us. Thanks for coming on. Yeah. Thanks, man.

Appreciate it. next week we're also covering the brand new resident evil as well as 2021's welcome to raccoon city so until the horror returns again Brian good night