The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #54: The Mummy (1932) & The Mummy (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: December 4, 2021

This week we are joined by Hope Havoc from The Macabrecast to talk about the brand new The Mummy as well as the original Universal classic. Thanks for listening!

victims. For those of you delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. This is, of course, the podcast that proves that the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie. Then we go back and find a classic work with similar themes.

In this case, extremely similar. We're looking at both similarities and different. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation. But also we want to point out how the presentation of the film can change based on the social and political climate of the times. We do include spoilers for the new film. However, we will wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new feature, and we will let you know before we do so with a very distinctive spoiler alert. If you don't wish to hear the spoilers, simply turn us off at that point, and we promise you won't miss a thing. Now, we generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, so there will be spoilers when discussing anything that has been out for at least a year.

And I think tonight's first film we're going to talk about definitely qualifies. The other thing that we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated. So you guys can pretty much expect us to be, too. I'm Lance, and with me, as always, are my co-host, Brian and Philip. And tonight, all the way from Dallas, Texas. We got a very special guest, and that's Hope Havoc of Macabcast. Hope, we met last month at the Texas Frightmare Weekend.

What have you been up to with the podcast since then, and where can our listeners find you? Sure. First of all, thanks for having me. This is always fun to collaborate with other podcasters, and it was a pleasure to meet the majority of you guys at TFW, those of you that were there. Recently, I've just done another podcast with another local podcast group out of Denton, Texas, called Howl About That. And we just kind of dissected and went through one of my favorite films of all time, which was Reanimator. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah, it's been fun. We've just been putting out a couple of episodes. I have a full-time job, of course.

So, you know, how that goes, you do what you can. Of course, doing the podcast with you guys. And then recently, I was interviewed by Sunda Dump. I believe they're actually based out of Houston as well. And the guy at Texas Frightmare Weekend that did the writing, the horror writing panel. Right. He's, yeah, I believe he's also writing for Room Morgan and a couple of other publications, but I was lucky enough to be interviewed by them and just, we sat down and shot the shit and

we'll see if a feature pops up. But yeah, everything's been great. And the next episode coming up is actually a controversial one. A lot of people give me flak because I stay pretty positive for the most part of my podcast, but the next episode that you guys can look forward to is we're going to start talking about. horror fan profiling, so we'll see how that goes. Oh, that's interesting. That's going to be on your show, right?

Yeah, definitely. Cool. And you can find us on iTunes, Stitcher, SoundCloud, and at our website, macabcast.com, and then, of course, we're on social media. Okay, for our younger listeners, how do you spell that? Because I had a little trouble with the spell myself. Hey, man, it's not even just you. It's a lot of the, like, you know, a lot of it, you'd be surprised me. adults like just don't know how to spell macab

but that is an R in there isn't there there's at the end yes but the spelling is M-A-C-A-B-R-E cast Macab cast All right easy enough Phillip everything going good out your way man Yeah just

Working and living a dream and Try not to kill my kids Yeah you still got that swimming pool clean enough to swim in You haven't let it go to pot again yet? No, not yet. We're still swimming in about every day. My son is a beach kid. He's half Mexican, so he just, he tans out real nice. And he just looks like he lives on the beach all the time. Nice. All right, you got to start getting him to the gym, man. He's six. It's never too early. Maybe in a little while.

Brian, is it still summer up there, or is winter starting to creep in? You? yet. No, we still got some sunshine. Still summer up here. All right. Well, what we do, the first thing we like to do, Hope, is we go into what we call the cool of the week. So what's the coolest thing you've seen this week? I finally got around to watching Cannibal Girls, which I'm sure probably plenty of you have already seen. It was a film in 1973. Ivan Reitman directed it. And I really was just, it was a curiosity for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. It was a curiosity for me. It was a curiosity for me because Eugene Levy of all fucking people are in it,

as well as Andrea Martin. This was her film that she did right before doing Black Christmas. And, you know, I'll let you guys watch it and figure it out for yourselves. But, you know, I wouldn't call it a favorite film of mine, but now it's kind of on the list of things that I've seen. So there you go. Man, you got me interested, kind of the whole SCTV crowd there, huh? Yeah, definitely.

I've never checked that one out. I'll have to look at it. Well, I was going to say my cool of the week was going to be Brendan Fraser Mummy because I went back and rewatch that one. But right before we did this podcast, we watched The Conjuring.

And I actually had goosebumps like multiple times during almost every scene in that movie. It was pretty great. That whole franchise is I think my favorite horror, like modern horror thing

going right now. Yeah, that's a good pick, man. What about you, Brian? Still chopping away at that list from our Facebook group. The Wonder Woman list. You're never going to finish the bat.

No, I'm not. This week's recommendation was Doomsday from our buddy Kevin over at the McNez podcast. I've seen this one before. it's a good movie. It's got a Rona Mitra, Bob Hoskins, Malcolm McDowell.

That's the racing one, right? The which one? The racing movie? No, it's the one where the virus breaks out in Scotland and they like quarantine it, but it ends up getting out and they got to go find a cure.

Basic, basic plot. But it's pretty decent movie. Yeah, but isn't it like really, trippy because it's like said in the not too distant future but like they have some scenes that look like they're out of the road warrior and then all of a sudden they're like in a pastoral like renaissance looking area yeah that with a king and everything yeah that's when you meet malcolm mcdow he's like king of a castle and everybody's like dressed like medieval times and then you got you got some cannibals in there mixed in oh i remember okay i know what movie you're

talking about. Yeah, I think somebody in our group, I think it was Justin Xavier. Yeah, he hates it. He said, I loathe this movie. Oh, man, well,

all right, well, we'll be, we'll be checking out his movie when it comes out, sick for toys, and I think they're, I know they're filming right now, so hopefully we won't loathe it, Justin. All right, so my cool of the week is, and I watched a lot of, I watched a lot of stuff this week again, guys, just like last week, but now, hands down, it's going to be the finale of the leftovers.

Oh, nice. Yeah, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, uh, Lindelaw finally, finally wrapped up and ending the way that I wanted it to be wrapped up. Um, does it leave some things, uh, open to question? You know, of course it does. I think any good film or, or good TV series does, but it successfully tied up all the stories to me, and in my mind it made enough sense of where the people were going and what kind of tied everything together from season one forward. And I just thought it was a great way to end it. Anybody else check that out?

No, I was kind of waiting for you to tell me that it wasn't a trash ending to watch it, I think. Have you ever seen that show Hope? I actually haven't, but I've been super aware. A lot of people that I'm friends with are extremely into it. Yeah, it's cool. I really think that they tied it up perfectly. So I'm super happy with it. So that's the cool of the week.

Brian? Jennifer Conley has been cast in the upcoming Snowpiercer TV show. Hmm. Seems like a pretty big name. Yeah, I'm looking forward to this show. I hope to get things going because this is also on T&T. And just recently came out that the Tales from the Crips show is officially dead over there. It's not happening.

Okay. What a shocker. Okay. Fuck. Hope, did you see the movie Snowpiercer? I did. Yeah, it was all right. It wasn't bad.

It was okay with it. So it was I. I guess so. Sure. I liked it. I thought it was good. I'll check out the TV show. I mean, it's not, you know, my favorite.

favorite movie ever, but it was a pretty damn good one to be on Netflix there for a while. Right. Yeah, it's going to have Scott Derrickson directing the first episode. Okay, what is he known for? Sinister. He did the Dr. Strange movie. Oh, okay. That guy.

Okay, I got you. Oh, that guy. Not quite a household name with me yet, I guess, but now I know exactly who you're talking about. What should be all done then? Yeah. They're putting a lot of effort into this one, so hopefully it's going to be a good show. Dimension Films has delayed Amityville the Awakening again. I don't know what's...

I guess they're recut this movie again, and I don't know what's going on. This movie was finished way back in 2014. That's what I thought. That scares me. Anytime you have a lot of reworking of a movie, it turns out trash. Bella Thorne's going to have gray hair by the time this thing comes out. Dream Warriors and the blob director Chuck Russell is remaking Witchboard. I know one person who's going to be excited. He's the one to actually send me this news.

Oh, boy. He's in our feedback, too. Yeah, I'm definitely all for it. this because, uh... Yeah, man, don't hit on Dream Warriors. Let's, let's not. Yeah, is that, is that one of your favorites? Uh, it's not one of my favorites, but I do really actually love Dream Warriors.

Yeah, it was, it was a good one. I know lots of people aren't a huge fan, but... Kevin Nez is a huge fan. I don't really, I don't necessarily remember. He did not like... We all gave a decent ratings, didn't we? No. I thought it was decent for what it was.

I don't remember. Yeah, I mean, I gave it at least a five, so it was probably more good than bad to me, you know? I mean, at least a five. Yeah, for sure, definitely. I'm sure I did. Kevin, I know you're listening. We gave it at least a five. Yeah, there you go.

They can speak for themselves. Which board sucks, Kevin. Except for Tani Kattain shower scene, right? Well, yeah. Okay, not a lot of news this week. We got one more thing here. It has to do with one of the movies we're reviewing tonight. Alex Kirkman was asked about,

are there any other additions to the dark universe after the mummy? He said, they're planning to introduce Phantom of the Opera and the hunchback of Notre Dame. Hope, what are you thinking here? Listen, man. it's pretty obvious that they're trying to go in a direction where they're introducing or if you will, reintroducing the universal monsters in some former fashion. So, you know, I feel like there are decades and points in time where certain genres of film

have a comeback. And I feel like it's horror's time right now, especially with indie films and, you know, foreign filmmakers and things like that. and Hollywood's always got to jump in on it. So, you know, I've got some opinions definitely about The Mummy, which I know we'll get to later. But I think that's definitely the direction that Hollywood's trying to go right now. So we'll see how it goes. Yeah.

That could be a good thing. I'm assuming that they're going to try to get Gerard Butler to play the Phantom of the Opera, Brian, right? Actually, he's got like a dream cast. He would like to cast not in any particular movie he said. just in this whole universe, he would like to go after Michael Fastbender, Jennifer Lawrence, Charlize Staran.

Of course he would. Sure. What the fuck? And of course, Angelina Jolie is a frontrunner for the bride of Frankenstein. Well, see, I think I'd be down for that, possibly. You think so? How many chickens do they have so far?

I'm pretty sure they haven't hatched yet. How awesome was that joke? I like it. Yeah, like I said. Wasn't a lot of news this week. Wasn't a lot of news this week. So that's pretty much all we have for news. All right.

Well, you know what? Hope's here from Dallas, Texas. God damn it, I know they got trailer parks in Dallas, Texas. God damn it. So I know you're real familiar with what a trailer park is, right? Yeah, definitely. All right. So as with every show,

tornadoes and shit. It's tornadoes and shit. It's time, hopefully not. It's time to take a little trip. Down to the trailer pod. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? First one we're going to talk about is Darkness Rising, starring Tara Holt and Katrina Law, directed by Austin Reading.

What did you guys think about, darkness rising. Generic horror movie. Next. Do what? Generic horror movie? I mean, I kind of have to agree, though, to a degree. Yeah, I think so. Of course, there's always that, you know,

okay, how are we going to judge this film off of a trailer? But, you know, if you're one that watches films quite often, I think that that opinion could be formed with just about everybody. But it could be wrong. Yeah, I mean, it might be good. We'll see. I don't know. To me, the first minute or so, because there's a full trailer is about two minutes and 15 seconds. And the first minute, I thought I was watching a trailer for a lifetime movie. Right.

I mean, it seemed to pick up a little bit there toward the end, but I'm not really excited with what I saw. What do you think, Brian? This was a complete pass for me. Nothing. I mean, it seemed like. a bunch of other movies that I've seen before. Yeah, it's going to fall into that mix. I think the director isn't a super popular director,

and if you look at his history, it looks like he's done a lot of MTV stuff. So I'm sure this is probably something that's going to more than likely speak to the younger crowd, for sure. We've got a release date of June 30th for this one. Okay, right around the corner. Yeah, considering we haven't heard anything about it, until now.

Right. Not a good sign. Okay. Our next trailer we're going to talk about is the Gracefield Incident, starring Lawrence Defoninus, butchering names again. Julia Gosselin and directed by Matthew Rathie. Okay, who is that? I don't know.

It's a found footage movie. It's probably some dude that lives in an apartment. This is the Alien Invasion movie, right? Yeah, this one got my interest a little bit just because I have no idea what's going on with the guy with the eye. Okay. Does that look like a totally separate movie going on? I think it's just a new way to throw a found footage alien movie in there. And I want to say generic found footage alien movie next, but it does look kind of interesting.

It has a clover-filled kind of vibe, but we'll see where they go with it, I think. it's a stupid name though I hate the name movie it's fucking and it sounds like every other movie that's out there right okay well my understanding

I could I could be wrong but for some reason I was thinking that this was tied to one of the VHS2 what did you call it not a skit but like the shorts I guess

wasn't there a VHS2 short that was about an alien invasion or something like that all these kids in the house just like that? Yeah, but I don't think this has anything to do with it. You know, they guys, just a, just a happy coincidence that this guy liked the idea and figured he'd kind of maybe copy it a little bit. I think the concept of the eyeball camera situation is cool. It seems like it's like black mirror mixed with like a little bit of cloverfield,

mixed with, you know, a bunch of other things. If you guys have seen black mirror at all, but yeah. Every one of them. Yeah. Yeah. We love that one on this show. It could be interesting. Release date on that, July 27th.

Okay. And onto our biggest trailer of the week would be murder on the Orient Express, starring Johnny Depp, Kenna Brana, Daisy Ridley, Penelope Cruz, Michelle Pfeiffer, Judy Dinch, Josh Gad, and Willem Defoe. That's a hell of a cast. Yeah, it's a hell of a cast and also Johnny Depp. Yep.

What are you guys thinking? As long as he's not doing any kind of accents or characters or anything. I'm far with him in it. Right. I think I'm doubt to give it a try. Of course, the director did Mary Shelley's Frankenstein in 1994, so I think it would be interesting to see what he does when he's coming back to this kind of type of film. in modern day, so we'll see. Do you think it's going to create any kind of an issue with him,

both starring in it and directing it? I mean, I don't know. I guess we'll have to see. That's like to do it. That's right. You can do it well, right? Yeah. I mean, some can do that and do it extremely well,

but, you know, I'm super not familiar with a lot of his work, but, I mean, it's just one of those things, like, you know, with all of these trailers, you know, I guess you never know until you try it, until you check it out. If it wasn't for the big-ass cast, I don't know that I would be interested. A big-ass cast.

At all. I mean, I'm telling you. It's impressive. The only thing I had a problem with the, the only thing I had a problem with the trailer was the music at the end, because it didn't, it didn't match up to me. I felt like I was watching a,

what is it? 50 shades of dark. movie or something. All right. I mean, the text, I will say like the modern take on like, you know, the texts in the trailer, like introducing who's who and at what point they're talking. It's, I think it was an interesting trailer. So we'll see if the movie kind of stands up or holds up, you know, to the trailer. Yeah, I like that part.

It kind of felt like clue. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That was what I was thinking when I was watching the trailer. first because I saw this one, this was on the mummy when I went to go see it. I mean, Daisy Ridley's in it, so, you know, we'll see. Got to give it a chance there.

Okay, we got a release. Oh, go ahead. He used, I think he was mainly known for a lot of Shakespeare. He did a lot of, he did a lot of Shakespeare interpretations, but he did direct the first Thor movie, didn't he? I was thinking he, I'm thinking he did. No, the first Thor movie wasn't. too bad.

I like that. And I think he directed that one. That's because you guys are a bunch of dudes. Oh, there you go. Okay. All right. All right. Thor two was great.

Thor two was so good. And, you know, I'm not hating on Thor one. Thor one was all right. I'm just messing with you guys. Yeah, I didn't see. I'm the opposite. I didn't like the second one that much. I didn't like either one of them.

He's like, I fucking hate Thor. There you go. The new one looks good. Yeah. Yeah, no one looks real good from the trailer. Can't knock it until you try it. That's right. Okay, murder on the Oriene Express release date, November 10th.

Sounds like we'll be there. And that is all. All right. Now it's time for listener feedback. Regarding the upcoming TV show The Mist, our interview with showrunner Christian Torp, Avery Walden wrote us. most people hated the movie and the mist simply because the ending, but they fail to realize how real of an ending it is. I'm so happy to see if they're making a show.

This is the first I have heard of it. Right. What did you? Did you see the movie, The Miss? Yes, I did. And I actually own the black and white version, which is even better. And I actually absolutely loved that film. I think it was a fantastic ending.

Have you read the novella? I have, yep. Okay, so which ending do you prefer? I do like the film ending. I feel like this is, I don't remember if this was the film or not, but I feel like Stephen King did say something about it, and he felt like it was a better ending than, of course, than what he wrote, which he's actually said a couple of times.

And as we know, if you've read any of Stephen King's books, he kind of has a difficult time landing that plane sometimes. Yeah. Well, there's that. Lars from Denmark also sent us a link to a 1995 film Day of the Beast and told us to watch this film if you want to go mad. And we haven't watched it yet, but I totally plan on doing so because it sounds fun. I've seen it before. You have?

Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty good. All right. Watch it. Yeah, I'm not going to say anything. It's pretty good. I recommend it.

Well, that kind of makes sense, man, because he says, watch it if you want to go mad, and we are talking with Brian here, so kind of makes sense. Kind of makes sense. Hey, didn't Lars say something else to, though, Philip, that we got kind of late in the week?

Yeah. He told us, he sent us some feedback about last week's episode. He said, awesome episode about Wonder Woman guys, and now a free history lesson. I had thought about this. The German soldiers were not Nazis.

This movie's about World War I, the Nazis were in World War II. Got it? Okay. All right, all right, Lars. Okay, so Captain America, World War II, Wonder Woman, World War I. Yeah, Philip, I think that was you that let that slip, brother. Oh, I'm sure it was. Yeah, no, German's Nazi slither.

I was going to say something, but I just let it slide, dude. Anyway, there's that. All right. Somebody else got called out too, though, right? I'm sure it's a mistake a thousand people have made because they didn't specify. Anyway. Gene Turner also writes us. I said, just listen to your new episode.

Sounds like maybe I should try a rewatch on the eyes of my mother. When I originally saw it, I thought it was way depressing. I loved all the acting, though. I'll give it another try because I think. I'm in the minority. Yeah, I really loved it. It was super fucking weird, but I loved it. Yeah, I did too.

It was just so brutal. You've seen that one, Hope? I have not, actually. Oh, check it out. You'll like it. Will I? I'll take your recommendations. I'll have to put it on my list.

Brian, what was your takeaway, man? Oh, from eyes of my mother. Yeah. I agree with him. It's super depressing. but I thought it was really good. I thought the main actress was excellent in it. And I talked to Gene.

I think I told him, as far as I'm concerned, I think it's definitely given another take. Yeah. If you're into the psychology of the thing, it'll be cool. Darren, D-A-E-R-O-N. D-A-R-O-N? I think it's Darren. Darren Wilson says,

saw Guardians of the Galaxy 2 this week. So time to catch up on your episode of that with Howard the Duck. I imagine at least a few of you will shit all over the Howard Duck, but for me it gets maybe a round a seven. Lance, I think that was your score. No, I gave it a five

and a half, dude. I liked it. I think I gave Guardians of seven. I gave I gave Guardians a seven, and I gave Howard a five and a half. He said, I know it's cheesy and some poor choices were made, but 80s punk Leah Thompson underwear wearing Leah Thompson

childhood nostalgia factor good stop motion dark overlord and anything taking place in my home state gets a point there you go there you have it also looks like Brian has a lot of other movies to check out since we are doing 47 meters down next week a lot of listeners have given us ideas of best shark movies other than Jaws. Have you seen any yet, Brian?

Oh, yeah, people have been hitting me up with these like shark versus octopus and sand shark and I don't know. I can't even get through the first what is it, Sharknato? I don't know, yeah. See, I don't

know if you could throw all those sci-fi shark movies on there, you know what I mean? Because that's a whole laundry list of stuff that's all just really bad. That's a whole subgenre there, huh? Yeah. Jay Black also said he loves how Denny Lewis derailed Lance's train of thought with Mr. Rogers Mailman on that last episode. All right.

I got called out too, man. So it's all in good fun. But yeah, he did, man. He threw me off with that shit. I know, right? He was Mailman. What the fuck is he talking about? Jesus Christ.

I can't remember what I was saying after that. That goes on the band name list. So, all right, so we got to ask you, Hope, have you seen Wonder Woman? You guys, I'm so happy that you all have seen it before me, because as a woman, of course, I should have already seen it. I have not. And the last time I went to the movies was yesterday, Alamo Draft House, to see the Mummy. So I can discuss it with you guys. But I have a full-time job, and it is super hard to get away.

So I do plan to see it next week, so we'll see. What about Guardians too? So for my birthday this year, my fiancé and I, we kind of did our, we do a flipping of the coin type of deal. So it was either Guardians or Alien, and we chose Alien. So that was, yeah, I will say I'm pretty, I would have, I think, liked Guardians much more, unfortunately. But it's definitely on the list with Wonder Woman. So we'll probably knock those two out within the next month or two. Yeah, that was the wrong decision, but I'm not mad at you.

Hey, I mean, we do this thing, like, where we like to keep things fresh and shit like that. So we'll, you know, flip a coin on like, hey, if we're going to go eat somewhere or some shit like that. So we keep it interesting. And, you know, there's only been a handful of times where it's like, okay, well, fate has it that we would like to, you know, it wants us to do this, but let's do this instead. But we like to keep it interesting. But, yeah, probably within the next month. too, we'll see both of those.

I'm getting married this year and lots of changes at work. So, yeah, it's just, thanks for looking for a house. There's a lot going on. So, you know, you do what you can do. But, yeah, I'm super pumped to see both of those movies. Awesome. And, yeah, I think I'm the, well, only one of the three that liked Alien Covenant more than Guardians. Is that safe to say?

Oh, shit. Oh, yeah. I actually did. That's safe to show. I actually did. This Lance is wrong, ladies and gentlemen. But thanks to everyone who reaches out for us. to us. We love the feedback, and as always, you can read us at our Facebook or pod bean page.

Or you can email us at the horror returns at gmail.com. Check us out on any of the other social mediums. We'd love to hear from you. Let us know what's up. All right. That means it is now time for our featured attractions. So this week, we're going to check out the first official film in the Da-da-da-da. New Dark Universe. from Universal. And this one's called The Mummy.

And if you think that name sounds familiar, well, it's pretty familiar. There have been a lot of movies called The Mummy. It pretty much all started with the 1932 Universal Classic, The Mummy. And this film is the first one that we're going to speak, talk about tonight, directed by Carl Frund. Am I pronouncing it correctly, hope?

That's called. Actually, I speak German fluently, and it is Freund. Okay, director. Carl Freund, who was actually, you might know that name. Know him more as a cinematographer. If you know your film history, he was known for 157 films, including Dracula and Metropolis. I guess he didn't make as much money back then, so he had to do a bunch of them. I don't know.

It's kind of like the old baseball players that used to pitch. a full game instead of pitching like five innings and then go and put their hand on ice for a week. That's true. You know? Things were just different back then, I guess, you know? I mean, hell, that was a great depression, so people had to work pretty hard. 157 films he could probably do that in a weekend, you know? What do you think about Metropolis?

Have you had a chance to see that before? Yeah, I've seen Metropolis. It's been quite some time since I've seen it. but it's definitely something I think everybody should watch, especially if you're into sci-fi horror, anything like that related. Yeah, it's actually a silent film, right? Yes, it is. And it was kind of like one of the, I guess one of the first true science fiction movies.

Have you guys checked that out? No. I think I started watching it and I didn't realize, is it? It's a German science fiction movie, and it's, Yeah. I'm sure it's on Netflix and Amazon Prime. It's pretty much anywhere, I think, at this point. Yeah.

I started it and I didn't realize that it was an ancient movie. And so I just moved on to the next thing, but I should have totally gone back and watch it. It looks super interesting. Yeah, if I could make a recommendation, if you're going to rewatch it, it does go well with mushrooms. Oh, I bet. Screenwriter John L. Baldurston, also known for Frankenstein and the Mummy's Hand.

Ardath Bay, which is, of course, the name Imhotep assumes after his exhumation, is actually, I don't know if you guys realized it's an anagram of death by Ra. Oh, Ra. And, of course, Ra being the Egyptian sun god of lore. a lengthy and complicated reincarnation scene, very important to the plot, never made it into the film. This upset many people, including the film's leading actress Zita Johan, who was a firm believer in reincarnation. Throughout the film's production,

there was great tension between Zeta and director Carl Hope. Help me out here? It's Carl Freund. Freud, thank you, who disliked. each other immensely. Among other indignities, Freud put Zeta in an arena with lions while he and the crew were protected inside cages. The scene...

And they cut it. Let's see him get away with that today, huh? And yes, you're correct. It was cut. And also for two days, he had her stand against a board so there would not be a crease in her dress. What? So, yeah, we kind of got shades of Kubrick on the Shining here, I guess, huh?

If you guys have heard any of those stories. But hope the way that we do things around here is when we do have a guest on the show, we really appreciate you coming on and certainly would give you the opportunity to chime in first if you'd like to. Sure. So if you, are you guys wanting to just specifically speak about the 1932 version? You can talk about whatever you want. We usually just go into a little bit about our first thoughts about the movie and then just kind of start a roundtable discussion from there. Sure.

I definitely have more opinions when we start talking about the current mummy and then actually getting into some comparisons and some ideas centered around both of these. But for me personally, it was nice to revisit this film. I had only seen it once whenever there was a marathon on Turner Classic movies years and ages ago. but honestly like I feel like it's one of those films that is really it was an inspiration for plenty of of movies that featured the mummy from like I'd say 1985 up until now so I don't think I'm just like a huge huge fan of the mummy holistically speaking but it was wonderful to revisit it and it was great to watch it again yeah I really um I really I really love this movie. This is actually one of the few classic universal movies I had never seen before. Most of the others, obviously, you know, Frankenstein, Bright of Frankenstein, Dracula. I've seen The Fly.

All those older movies I really enjoyed watching when I was young, and a lot of them I revisited. You like to, you know, like to do a lot of revisits on Halloween and stuff like that. But yeah, this is actually one that never got on my radar for whatever. whatever reason. And I'm really glad that we watched it for this, for this show, because it was, I thought it was incredibly, beautifully filmed. It was very lush. I thought that the, I mean, obviously, look, it was 1932. There's going to be what, what now we would consider overacting, of course. But I was a little bit shocked with, with how honest some of the dialogue was, where, you know, they, they made it quite plain that, you know, her, she knew his intentions,

were to make love with her. I mean, they basically said, let's sit on this couch and fuck, you know? Yeah. I mean, for 1932, I was like, what, wow. Yeah, for sure, man. So progressive, look out. Yeah, you know, 85 years ago, I mean, hopefully we've made some progress since then, but you know, that in the black face. I think that's what makes the mummy, you know, when you look back at all the universal

monsters, each one has its own tone and kind of coolness and uniqueness and uniqueness about each one. But I feel like, you know, going back to the mummy, of the 1932 version and then kind of taking this broad glance at everything that's been made afterwards you kind of see how the mummy differs from like Dracula

or like you know Wolfman any any of those other universal monsters the mummy's kind of cool in its own way and there's this smoothness to it there's comedy to it and it's just kind of cool and its own unique way like do you guys fill me on that Yeah, I would say so

I mean, it was, you know, I think that the, I actually, you know what, one thing that stuck out for me, I thought the makeup was better than some of the makeup you see on movies these days. Yeah, definitely better than some of the computer animation that they got. Oh yeah, for sure, man. I mean, they got the point across, and I'll tell you what, Karloff just sold it. I mean, when he showed up, when he showed up again as Ardath Bay,

I was actually surprised. did not expect the story to go that way. For some reason, in my mind, I thought it was going to play out differently than that. Like more of a monster movie, right? Well, yeah, you know what? I didn't realize that there was a time jump from when they first uncovered him to where this current story takes place. I was kind of shocked to see that there was like a 12-year time jump or whatever.

Because what was it? Like 1921 or something like that? Yep, I believe it was. Yeah, 1921. and yeah, so it was like over a 10-year time jump there. But yeah, I mean, I'm really glad I watched this. It was really, really creepy. I don't know if the black and white added to it,

and the dark tones and everything, but it just really had this feeling of dread to it the whole way. I mean, granted, like, the statue moving and stuff like that was a little hokey, you know, by any standards, but for the most part, it was filmed really, really beautifully. I enjoyed it quite a bit. What did you think, Brian? I also agree.

It was filmed beautifully, and Boris Karloff was the best part of this movie. But with that being said, I was bored out of my fucking mind watching this movie. This movie felt like three hours long. It is super old. And it's only in like an hour and some change. It's like an hour and 13 minutes, man. Come on. At least like you said, at least Boris Karloff's a badass.

Yeah, if he wasn't on the screen, like, it just did not hold my attention. I wanted more of the one guy, the first guy that's seen when the mummy came to life, the guy that went from screaming to uncontrollable laughter. Oh, yeah. I wanted more of that guy. But I really enjoyed Boris Karloff, even when he wasn't the actual mummy, because he was just super creepy. Like when he told the one guy, I don't like to be touched, you know, Eastern prejudice.

Just walks away. Like, fuck you. I'm a mummy. With that being said, this movie, it took me forever to finish this movie. Wow. Man, what, uh, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what was it. just not, not, just wasn't moving fast enough? No, nobody.

Nobody. Nobody was interesting in the movie. I thought, uh, really. What, what was the main actress? Zita, Johan. Horrible. Horrible. thought she was

I like her? No I just 1932 dude I mean we've watched 1932 see come on I've watched other movies

that I like I have to ask you if you didn't this is an interviewer person in me if you didn't like this do you feel like it was black and because it was in black and white or because it was

a bit of an older film or do you find yourself enjoying other black and white films is it just this one in particular Just this one, because there was a movie we never got to, we were supposed to review Attack of the 50 Foot Woman. I thought that movie was fun. I hated it. I thought that movie was fun.

It was wacky. Yeah, and that's in the 50s, though, right? Right. Yeah, it's a different. Yeah. But it might be because out of the universal monsters, I was just never drawn to the mummy. I love Dracula. I love the Wolfman.

Yeah, that's going back to what I was saying about, like, there's a, uniqueness with each one. And I think the mummy, I don't think that coolness really developed until you got to, I think, the 80s really, you know, and they started to really delve into what the mummy is and kind of made it cool again. So I feel where you coming from, I think. Yeah. I wasn't necessarily a big fan of the Brendan Fraser mummy. I mean, I like the first one, but I hated the next two. See, now I'm with the other guys. Those are fighting words, man. The first one was good. Right on.

Yeah, I was actually really super impressed for just for being a 1932 movie because I was expecting to go into it and just see some really super cheesy dated shit. And it holds up surprisingly well. I can see where you say that you were kind of bored because there's not really any sort of background noise or music and there's like this hiss going on in the background just because it's so old. And I think that hiss kind of starts to lull you to sleep a little bit. The composition of the music wasn't as developed as

some of its other contending movies were. Yeah, definitely. But I mean, it had a super, creepy factor to it though partially because of that I think my four-year-old little girl she likes watching scary movies with me

I know dad of the year right here but she was hanging out and watching this one with me and she was super fucking freaked out she watched aliens with me and loved it this one she couldn't handle she had to like leave and there's not even any really

like the mummy is in the the first scene and that's like it. He doesn't really show up again. I mean, you know, Boris Karloff comes in as Ardith Bay or whatever his name is, but there's no, it's not really a monster movie in the traditional sense, you know what I mean? It's kind of her love story, really. Yeah, yeah, it is.

It's got kind of a love story going to it. That's parenting done right. And, yeah, but she was super scared by, like, whole thing just because it was kind of weird and tense and I guess had that that old school field to it um do you know do you mind me asking how old your kid is yeah she's four so i feel like a lot of kids are kind of desensitized already at this point because they're so used to everything being so new and i really don't feel like much can scare many kids at this point in this day and age so i think it gets cool to that you introduced her to something much older because it kind of gets to the root of

the fear on the most basic level and sometimes that's all you need. Right. See, I like trying to make and watch old movies with me. That's part of why I love doing this podcast. Right on. But yeah, I really enjoyed it more than I thought that I was going to. So what do you guys think about the reincarnation angle? Because they've, they kind of alluded to it.

But I think a lot of the reason that they took that part out is I think that perhaps maybe the religious right of the day or maybe the, you know, the people that are run in Hollywood didn't think it was too kosher? What do you guys think about that angle? I mean, I guess, you know, it's kind of a deep question, but does anyone here here with us tonight believe in reincarnation or believe that it's possible? No. I think it's, existential question. Yeah. It's kind of a different question. I think I probably lean, personally, I think I lean that way more than I'm a, I lean toward a final destination of being at one place forever based on whether you were quote unquote good or bad. You know, I kind of believe that life is cyclical and I don't see why

everything can't be that way, you know? I don't know. I kind of leaned toward it and I kind of enjoyed that aspect of the story. Yeah, I mean, it was definitely kind of a cool thing. And I don't know, it was a different story than I thought it was going to be. Like you said, it was more of kind of a love story, but I don't know why they cut out certain scenes, especially with the reincarnation angle, probably just because Zeta Johan had some sort of feud with the director. I imagine it was her scene and he cut it out. Gotcha. Yeah, that was probably, it's probably as simple as that.

I'm probably overthinking it. If he had her stand against a board so there wouldn't be a crease in her dress, you know what I mean? Right, yeah, that's true. he really did not like that chick. I like the flashback scene. Did you guys like that when he was staring into the, staring into the pool there and looking back the history of... Yeah, it was pretty.

Kind of ahead of time. Yeah, I wish they'd have had more like old school ancient Egyptian stuff in this movie. I thought that would have been cool. I kind of did too. I had the same takeaway as that as well. I thought it would have added a little bit more to the story. Brian probably is just thinking, I wish they'd fucking taken everything out except

made it like a 10 minute short or something. Brian, are you still awake over there? Yeah, far. It did feel a lot longer than it was, though. I didn't think so. You know, I mean, I watched it on my lunch hour at work, and, you know, I just kind of zipped through it. Maybe that had a lot to do with it,

but I had more trouble getting through a film that was your cool of the week. A couple of months back, Brian, the girl with all the gifts. Really? Yeah, it was a good movie, man, but it just, it was pretty dense, dude. There was just so much going on. I had to watch it in like two or three sittings. I really liked that movie a lot. Yeah, too, man, I sat through it the first time.

Yeah. But you got to pay attention to it. It's not something you can just have on in the background. Yeah, for sure. Agreed, and I think I was kind of trying to do that. There's a lot of dialogue just as much as there is action in there. So I feel like anything that's going to have a lot of dialogue, you kind of have to devote some extra attention to.

Yeah, it makes sense. Makes sense. Brian, you have any final thoughts on this one before we move on? Nope. Of course. I want to talk about the new one. All right, cool. So I guess we've all had our say then.

Hope anything else you want to say about this one, until we get into the new one? I'm ready to move on whenever you guys are ready. All right. Well, then we will give our scores, and the way that we do at Hope is we do a scale of 1 to 10, just a real simple score. So I think you went first.

All right, guys. So like I said at the beginning of your podcast, this is so public. This is what really blows right now. On my podcast, I really, have a problem with a lot of other podcasts that often shit on things. Of course, opinions are important. And I think diversity and opinions and debating things is, it's entertaining. And on my podcast, I choose to just really talk about a lot of positive things. But I do have to say with this,

and I'm sorry, it has to be on your podcast. But I really honestly did not care for this movie. It's probably one of the worst ones I've seen this year for me. But at the same time, there are some great things about it that I did love. But for me, the ratings probably. Yeah. Let me stop you. You're talking about the new one? Yeah.

Okay. What was your score on the 32? Oh, 1932. Got it. I'm like, wait, are you guys moving on? Okay, so for the original, probably a six just based off of everything that happened. what it was for its time, for sure. But whenever you guys are ready, I'll definitely give you my score on the new mummy.

Yeah, you're definitely going first because I want to go after you. Excellent. All right, good, good, good, good. I like it. I like what I sense here. I'm glad it worked out that way now because this is going to be a lot of fun. Yeah, now this movie, like I said, I really appreciated it for what it was. I thought it was a great story.

obviously, you know, Carloff is, it could be maybe the best role I've seen him in almost because he was just so stoic and he was just so believable as that character. I give this one an eight out of ten. I really consider this one a really good movie,

and I can't believe I haven't seen it, but it is going to be one that I'll be mixing it with some Halloween's in the future for sure. Brian? I'm going to agree with you as everything you said on Boris Karloff. You were right on the money when you were talking about the makeup effects, but that being said, this will be boring.

And I'm going to cut you in half there and go with a four. Ouch. Ooh. More bad than good. Ouch. I'm going to give it a seven. I think an extra point or two probably actually goes just because it's so groundbreaking for its time. And I thought the acting was pretty good for, for,

being in 1932 and actually having like to hold up to that and coming off of like you know night of the living dead where some of the effects and the acting were fucking terrible and it was made 30 years later and uh i i got to give this one some daps man this yeah i it's it's it's a little boring in spots but yeah gets a couple extra points seven cool all right so uh basically we've got hope more good than bad. Lance and Philip recommend the movie, and Brian doesn't particularly recommend it. Pretty much sum it up, guys?

Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, let's jump to present day, and we are now going to discuss the new version of the Mummy from 2017, directed by Alex Kurtzman. Of course, he's primarily a writer and producer, but he did direct a movie called People Like Us. Now, has anyone seen People Like Us?

Ah, sounds familiar. I don't know. I can't remember it. Chris Pine was in it, Captain Kirk. They worked together on a couple of Star Trek movies, but I guess you would kind of categorize it as just sort of like a drama. I mean, it wasn't really quite a quote-unquote chick flick. But, yeah, I mean, it was just kind of like a drama that dealt with

a lot of sadness and melancholy issues and stuff like that. So I was like not blown away by it because it's not really my kind of movie, but it was okay. And it was one of those movies that kind of led me to believe what I currently believe, which is actually that Chris Pine can actually really act. You know, he's actually a really good actor. He is. He's a little goofy looking, but he's a good actor. It's just got like a giant head, you know?

Oh, man, he's a good captain, though. Come on. Like, I feel like if he leans one way, he'll fall over too much. Okay. So, Alex Kurtzman's kind of a household name. You guys have probably seen some of the shows that he's been the head writer on Alias, Zena. I think he also did some Hercules, the Legendary Journeys as well. Yes, I love that show.

Did quite a bit of Star Trek, and he did the TV show Sleepy Hollow. Okay, that explains a lot. Okay, now here we go with the laundry list. You guys ready? Okay, here's your... Oh, for the writers. Yeah, here's your stable of screenwriters. All right, we got David Kep, Christopher McCory,

Dylan Cussman, John Spates, Alex Kurtzman, of course, had to throw his two cents in worth, and Jenny Lumet. So, anytime I hear that many screenwriters, guys, as you know me well, it's usually the kiss of death. We'll see how this goes, but we'll see how this goes, but I don't like what I'm seeing here. The film's tagline, which was also spoken by, I think Russell Crow in the film actually did this quote, Welcome to a new world of gods and monsters, is a quote from the original bride of Frankenstein,

which was also produced by Universal. Lynn Wiseman was originally set to direct. Woo! Boy! This is like a laundry list of all my favorite people here, isn't it? Okay, he dropped out before production began. I would say thank God. It's a revolving door, man.

Yeah, we'll see how I think Kurtzman did here in a little bit. Weisman was then replaced by Andre Muschetti, but he also later dropped out due to another buzzword here that's a red flag hope. Creative differences. We all know what that means. We all know what that means. I'm having trouble going on here.

All right. Javier Pardam, Joseph Gordon Levitt, Tom Hardy, and Eddie Redmayne were all concerned. I'm sorry. Oh, no. We're all considered to play Dr. Henry Jekyll before Russell Crow was cast into the role.

Bardem was then recast as Frankenstein's monster. Oh, boy. Okay. All right. Here we go. So we already determined, I think we got a feel for what Hope thinks about this movie. So you want to... Back to your statement, though.

I'm so sorry I interrupted you. I wanted to hear what you said about it, too. Oh, shit. Um, all right. So, um, like I was saying, this, um, was not my favorite movie of the year so far, um, for many reasons. Um, now, the things that I will say that I did really like, I did not think that Russell Crow did a terrible job. Okay. I didn't think that he was, now, let me ask you guys this before I get full fledged into this shit, but, um, spoiler. No spoilers, right? Okay. Yeah. We'll do a spoiler section in a minute. Okay. Well, fuck. I don't know. What spoiler tier?

Yeah. Usually before the spoilers, it's really super brief. Okay. Well, overall, was not impressed. I think that there were definitely too many contributing writers

as, you know, Lance, you were talking about. There obviously were a lot of creative differences, whether people dropped out or not, and that was very obvious

throughout this entire film. and unfortunately there are just a lot of things that just didn't make a lot of sense to me. So I'm going to have to say that I still love the 1932 version and I feel like it's it still holds up to this day. And I think that this 2017 mummy is going to have a really hard time holding up depending on what kind of follows after it. Right. So that's kind of how I feel generalizing it. I'm so right there with you, really. You know, like, I liked it.

I thought the acting was actually really good. I like Tom Cruise in it, man. He looks great. I thought he did a pretty good job. I thought, like, him personally did a pretty good job. I liked Russell Crow in it. I liked, what's the chick that plays? The chick that plays the mommy.

What's her name? Sophia Bettella. Oh, boy. I like her. Sophia Bette. Yeah, well, yeah, she's hot, of course. But I'm going to have to just pump the bricks because, like, all of the dialogue that was in this film was predictable and fucking boring. Like, I would prefer the dialogue.

I'm a dialogue person more than I am action. I mean, I like a little bit of both. But I prefer the dialogue in the 1932 version over the dialogue that was in this 2017 version. And it's 20-17. But that was that Tom Cruise's fault? No. How many writers are on this movie? Listen, dude.

I mean, that's true. It's true. You're not wrong about that. You definitely not wrong about that. But, oh, God. Like, I feel like they had a recipe for something great. And they totally dropped the ball. Well, I see what you're saying about Tom Cruise doing well. I think that all of the people in this film know how to deliver.

I think it was delivered as best as they possibly could. And they did a good job at that. But that doesn't mean that the dialogue or the writing was. good at all. I absolutely agree with you. And I feel like, like, it was like every time, I imagine in my head that every time they tried to do something out of the box or something cool or whatever, the producers were on there going, no, Marvel and Disney didn't do it like that.

So we're not going to do it like that. This is how we have to do it. I think that they are so stuck on trying to build. what Marvel has built. A lot of people right now are so stuck on trying to build what Marvel has built. Yeah, it's universal monsters, but a Marvel movie. Yeah. I agree 100%.

And I thought there was some of the comedy in it was okay, but it was mostly really cheesy. And like, there wasn't for being a monster movie, the mummy. I mean, there should have been some pretty creepy parts. And I mean, aside from, you know, some of the weird movement of the mummy chick, you know, the unnatural movement, which I assume that they just sent it to the computer animation guys and said, hey, make her move here, do that. And aside from that, it wasn't really creepy at all. And they sort of downplayed anything that was even about to be scary. Definitely. So, yeah, yeah, I'm kind of right there with you.

It was, it was fun to watch, but it wasn't, it wasn't as good as Suicide Squad. How about that? Oh, wow. A better job of trying to copy. Brian, I want to know what you have to say, man. I am torn right down the middle between Hope and Philip. Everything they're saying, the dialogue was not there. I, oh my God.

Okay. I thought a lot of the action was fun. Yeah. It was a fun movie. I did not, I did not like none of the comedy that was in the movie. I thought it was just stupid, huh? Yeah.

Tom Cruise, you could have cast in anybody else in this role, and it wouldn't have made a difference. It was kind of a bland, generic. I'm really hoping the rumors are not true that he's supposed to be like this, this universe is like Van Helsing. And,

I don't know. Ask one of the nine writers how that's going to work. But I really enjoy Sophia Betella as the mummy. I wish we got more of her. I like Russell Crow as Dr. Jekyll's,

not a spoiler. They kind of threw that out there in the trailer. Right. Plus, it makes sense with his, you know, like punching people and stuff. Yeah. But I don't know.

I don't, like I said, they would do something really cool with the action and then kind of just everybody would start talking and I would like lose interest. What was the main actress? Annabelle Wallace, who played Jennifer.

I did not care for her. She's bland. She's pretty milk toast. Yeah. It's like you could not have described her better. I think it was just, hey, what hot actress looks really good with Tom Cruise? Who can we throw in here that compliments him well? They grabbed an Instagram model in the role.

But at times, I thought they were going to, you know, they were kind of pushing it a little bit because, you know, how about it was about to spoil something? There's some scenes in here. I didn't think they was really going to go there as far as a PG-13 movie. But then we'd get back to the bland dialogue and the time. I mean, we did get Tom Cruise running, though. That is a plus. Because he's got the weirdest run ever. I don't know if you guys ever notice his run.

I haven't, but I kind of want to go back and watch it now. Yeah, I didn't really pay attention. But overall, I mean, I am interested in to see where they're going with this, but this was okay at best for me. Okay. Well, you know, I mean, okay, that's something. I mean, I'll start with the positives first. For sure, because I want to get started on a good note.

And, you know, Hope you're saying that you like to shine on the positive on your podcast. So we'll do the same thing here since you're our guest. You're kind of leading the way here. So here's the positive. And I think I'm echoing something you actually said, Hope. Sophia Butella is smoking hot. Absolutely smoking hot. I mean, my God.

Wow. She's one of my new favorites to keep an eye on. And I am really looking forward to seeing her in Atomic Blonde. Oh, is she not seen? Oh, man, is she ever? Have you not seen the trailer? Yeah, that looks like a cool movie. Oh, that's right.

Okay. Okay. Have you seen that hope? Yeah, definitely. I'm going to be for sure into seeing that movie. Yeah, we're looking forward to that one. All right. So, no, I thought the first, I actually was, I was really getting into it.

The first six or eight minutes, because it kind of reminded me it was a good throwback to the 32 film. You know, the way that she kind of, you know, committed a sin or whatever in the name of love and, you know, ended up being buried, when they buried her alive, or they, you know, wrapped her and stuck her in the casket and put her in the tomb alive. That was a good throwback to the first movie. And I'm like, okay, I think that I'm going to like this. I think we're on to something here. And then the minute that fucking Tom Cruise showed up with that fucking douchebag, Jake Johnson. Oh, I love that guy. Hey, listen.

Fucking idiots, man. They were so bad. No, I disagree. I disagree. The two things that I liked about this, like I said, were Russell Crowe. I think he did a pretty decent job. But as a comedy, like, look at, look at, look at 1985 up to now, okay? Okay.

All right. And you have the Brandon Fraser Mummies, right? The comedy in those are spot on. It's good. It's campy. It's great. It's what made it a cult classic. And I think they needed that aspect in this new mummy.

And I think that while he's kind of typecasted as this comedian and almost everything he's been doing so far, I've never really seen him in a dramatic role. But like, I think that him and Tom Cruise actually had a pretty decent dynamic. Was it hilarious? Disagree more. Couldn't disagree more. Was it hilarious? No. He was not, it wasn't great substance again. But I thought that they were a good team together. I think they did. The writing was just bad. No, no, I disagree. I found I found the interaction of these two to be entirely awkward, not at all believable to me in the least. Russell Crow, most of you guys are saying you liked his acting. This dude was pricking chewing up scenery like nobody's business. That's all he was doing. He was just completely overacting and, posturing. I didn't enjoy his performance at all.

What I like more about Russell Crow was the aesthetic of his layer, which I know we'll get into. I don't want to spoil it, but that's more about what I want to talk. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Well, that's cool. I can definitely appreciate that. There was a lot of good throwback. There was a lot of good Easter eggs in there, I guess you noticed, when you were looking around at some of the items, which we'll go into more detail later. But, no, you know, Colonel Greenway, Courtney B. Vance, the, Brian, I sure hope you have a stupid people segment here

because you're going to have three or four great opportunities to do that. He's letting these guys, he's keeping these guys in the military, and yet he's allowing them to do all this plundering of all these historical artifacts. Yeah, I thought that was odd. Great, man. I have no idea why he was even in the movie.

Yeah, it was kind of a, it was just the whole thing was sort of a weird role. I mean, why is he a looter? You know, that seems weird to me. Antiquiter. Yeah, antiquiter. You know what, Sophia. Sophia Vesella was great. She was great.

Not only did she look great, I thought she did. If she had a better cast around her and if she'd had a better script, I think she could have sold this even more than she did. But she was at least trying. She was at least giving it her all. Like I said, in my opinion, I think Tom Cruise was fun. honing it in. I think Johnson was horrible. I think Crow was overacting

and just kind of trying to take over the movie. I mean, that's just my takeaways, guys. So for whatever it's worth, let somebody else go now. Are we getting in a spoiler territory now? Brian's got to go. I think I already went.

But I want to know what else, Brian. Like, Brian, what did you take away? Like, what were some things in the early part of the movie or what are some general things in the film that you did like? Well, A lot of it's spoilery, so I'm going to save it until we get there. Okay.

Yeah, let's go spoilers. I'm ready for that. Awesome. So what we'll do, hope, is we'll all give our scores. And once we do that, we'll do our spoiler alert and just jump in. All right. So for me, it's definitely, I would say probably about a 4.5 or a 5 for me. Wow.

That's much higher than I expected to hear. Yeah. I don't shit on stuff too much. I mean, it takes a lot for me to be like, okay, this is like a fucking two or a three. Yeah, I'm right there with you. I'm going to give it a five because I think it was still fun. It's a fun, it's a fun stupid summer movie.

There's a lot of the movie that doesn't make sense, but, you know, if you're not looking for plot and you're just checking out action and cool visuals, then it's not awful. Five. Mm-hmm. I'm going to give it a six just because Lance hated on Jake Johnson. Okay, that makes sense.

All right, well, guys, I will tell you this. I do have one thing in common with Tom Cruise. Actually, I've got two things in common because we're both super short. But the thing that I've got in common with Mr. Cruz right now is I am definitely cursed. And God damn it, I did it to myself. And Brian, I think you'll remember the fucking moment when I did this. We were about two months out of the bye-bye man. And I was starting to sweat it out a little bit that I wasn't going to have a bottom five this year.

You remember? Yeah. And I begged. I begged listeners to send me ideas of shitty movies. So I could make sure I would have a bottom five when we do our top five and bottom five at the end of the year. So I kind of, I did it to myself. but between the void which we watched not too long ago

yeah and this film movie whatever you want to call it that type that bottom five list is shaping up pretty quickly oh 1.5 guys ouch that was bad

I'm sorry you know I mean it's just everything I loved about the 32 movie. I hated about this one. I don't know how else to put it. All right, you guys ready for spoilers? Yeah.

Cool. All right. Who wants to get started? This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. I'll start. I mean, fuck. I've started

every other time. I feel you on that 1.5 rating though I totally I definitely feel you on that so with the positive I really like I said like the Russell Crow aspect I don't know if I

it was predictable but not as predictable as a lot of other things that we were going to see Dr. Henry Jekyll and Eddie Hyde in this film I do like that Russell Crow played him and yeah there were a lot of delivery lines

and writing that just kind of a little, like, you know, cringe-worthy. But I will say the whole aesthetic of how, you know, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde was presented is probably one of the most badass ways that I've seen it presented ever. That's not to shut on everything else that's ever been created before. But, I mean, his entire layer, I thought, was totally fucking awesome. The fact that...

The accent changed. Yeah, the accent changed. I thought the effects during those scenes actually. weren't too bad. The lighting was really awesome. Um, you know, the other people that you mentioned that were considered to play him. I don't know if I would have been totally on board with that. I think Tom Hardy's a little too hardcore and then Joseph Gordon Lett, it's a little, like, puny for that, you know? Yeah, a little young. So I don't know if I, yeah, I don't know if I could have seen that, um, coming to fruition. But, um, I really enjoyed that. And, you know, I did like,

like, you know, the relationship between Tom Cruise and, you know, his, like, best guy, antiquator buddy, if you will. You know, I enjoyed that. But those are the best things. But I really just feel like, again, the dialogue was absolutely awful. I think there were some really good, I don't want to say jump scares because that's a very cliche thing to say, but there were some pretty good, you know, jumpy moments in there. I think they did a really good job with the birds.

Yeah, I think they did a great job with the crows and the birds and bringing kind of this creepy aesthetic to the whole film. Right. But overall, like the soldiers, zombie warriors were very poorly done. The effects holistically, I don't think were really anything outstanding. But something that one of you guys touched on, I think the best way you could summarize this is Hollywood trying to make

Universal Monsters Marvel movies and I just think that that's the complete wrong direction to go with this but that's kind of my spoiler territory I guess if you will Okay well That's what happens when you

When you try to make more money Instead of trying to make art There you go It's this is overproduced Overwritten The producers had total control over the movie mean, you can tell. Yeah, the romance aspect was weird.

That's what I was about to say. At the very end, he's like, oh, let me suck the life out of, you know, this Egyptian queen and give it to a woman that I barely fucking know just to bring her back to life. What the fuck is that shit about? Suddenly in love with her, he's a 50-something guy who's totally wild this whole life. He's obviously wild. They give you that from the get-go, you know what I mean? Where he's just fucking nuts. I'm an antiquator, but I love this lady.

relationships. And so he just runs into this random chick, steals her shit, and then suddenly he's in love with her? Yeah, I'm like, wait, just a second ago, you guys had a one-night stand. What the fuck happened? Exactly. And then, okay, at the end, when he decides that the right thing to do is to stab himself and then, like, where did he come up with this idea?

Well, there was that line of self-saccharacterism. sacrificing or something like that. So it like clicked in his head and he was like, oh, maybe I should do this. I don't know. Makes no sense. This should actually be covered under our stupid people segment, right? Honestly, the locations were this aspect of the writing I thought was really fucking stupid. And I know that at the very beginning, they really tried to emphasize on that backstory like,

oh, they drug her body for thousands of miles. But you've got Egypt. And then you go to the middle of fucking Iraq. and then we land the plane in London. Did anybody think that was odd? I just felt like the locations of all of this just didn't really make much sense. Hey, what about this, guys? What are the chances that they would have been digging a subway tunnel in London?

And they just happened to come across all these buried, what were these guys from the Renaissance or something like that? Or the Crusades? The Crusaders, yeah. So, and then what, five, ten minutes later, they just had. happened to find her tomb, huh? Yes. It all just happened very coincidentally all at the same time. And there was

a line in there where they said that they figured out where this was because of, you know, when they first found the little stone or whatever. But it's still, I mean, they were stretching that shit pretty hard. Raiders of Lostark, it ain't. Yeah.

And, you know, usually when some big finale comes up like that. I can either see it coming or when it happens, I'm like, that was genius. That was a good idea. And this time when he did it, I was like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. It didn't make any sense at all. Wow. And then now, now suddenly, because he stabbed himself and the God set has come into him, he apparently is able to overpower him, which also makes zero sense. all right brian i got we got to hear it man what's what's going on here i'm gonna say something i'm gonna say something nice about the movie

i did going back to uh russell crow i did like the distinct how they distinguish between him and uh dr jackal and mr hyde i like the scene where um tom cruise was fighting him i was trying to get out and he put his hand on a hand scanner yeah just completely read a different person i enjoyed that did you guys catch the um there was a lot of little easter eggs in this do you guys get the uh brendan fraser mummy easter egg in there no i missed that one it's when she's trying to get in there to help tom cruise when he's with uh mr hyde and she hits the guy over the head with the book that's the book from the mummy oh oh look at you yeah awesome thank you but um i just listening to you guys

talking this is not too much I can really get into in spoilers. Just those couple things. I did like the original, when she rose some of the original mummies up. I like how they were contorting everywhere. Besides that, I thought everybody else looked fucking stupid. The soldiers.

Yeah. I don't know. I'm thinking about lowering my score now. I don't know, man. Well, don't do that. I mean, you gave your score. You know, stick with it, man. Somebody's got to be on $500 for these, you know.

I actually really liked him in this. Oh, Jesus. I thought he was horrible. And I thought the makeup on him was no good either, man. You know what? They did this better in American Werewolf in London, I thought. And that, because they stole that story line, or they stole that idea right out of that movie,

and I think it was done better in that one. No, I just, I didn't get into Johnson at all. I mean, we'll just disagree on that one. I mean, you guys thought he did great. And I'm like the one lone dissenter, but that's cool. You know, I mean, I'm kind of used to going against the grain, as Denny said, about me last week. But, I mean, I'm just telling you the way that I saw it, you know? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, stick with your opinions. What really bothered me about this movie or about the latter parts of this movie when they were going through all the, you know, the tunnels and swimming through the water and all that? is, to me, it was just almost like a poor man's version of Army of Darkness. Did you guys get that, too? Oh, maybe a little bit, yeah. You know, I mean, the only thing it was missing was like the three stooges, you know, nudges and eyepokes. Exactly. I just thought that was terrible.

I didn't think that any of the story made sense. I didn't think that the finale made sense. I mean, you guys nailed it. There's not too much else I can say about that, that ridiculous finale. finale there. I mean, what in the world... See, if the ending had been better... Right. If the ending had been better, it might have been a different story.

They might have could have saved this movie. I think what was odd at the end was, you know, right before you cut to the ending scene where he's like, hey, bro, thanks for bringing me back to life too. Fuck yeah, high five. You know, he was like struggling. He was struggling, you know?

He was in that same, like he was in the catacombs or whatever the fuck they were. with the woman and he's like, look, I love you and I brought you back to life, but I've got to, I've got to figure my shit out. And he's like going back and forth between being like set essentially and himself. Oh my God. And then you cut to the end scene and all of a sudden he's himself again. And it's just like, all right, let's go find some more fucking treasure. High five.

And then in movie. I would have, I would have really loved it if he would, if, what was her name? Jenny in the movie. If she would have just died and he would have just embraced the evil that was in him. that actually is a good point it might have actually kind of elevated this just a bit right you may have a little bit dark darker ending huh yeah because somebody else would have had to stab him because stabbing himself doesn't make it sense right i would have liked it if he still would have stabbed himself and he gave the audience that swerve that he did it to self-sacrifice but he was really selfish because he wanted that power for himself i would have liked to see the movie go that way and you know okay so he's still himself but he embraced his is the evil. Yeah, because of her telling him about you can have all the power

but that's And now he's like this crazy vigilante. Yeah. But that's not, that's not even when we got nothing close to it. Yeah. She's like, she's like, you can control life and death and he's like, all right, some more treasure.

I love you. Yeah, bro. High five. Like, I feel like the movie should have ended with like them both jumping up and giving each other a high fry up with a freeze frame? With a freeze frame. I'm glad you guys reminded me of that line, you know, because now in my mind even stronger than ever, these words you will never hear. Academy Award nominee Jake Johnson. It just ain't going to happen, folks. I'm sorry. I don't know why you guys like this guy so much. He was horrible. He's a comedy actor, man. Of course he's not going to win an Academy Award. Thank you for bringing me back to

life guys. Well, think about the Brendan Fraser mummies. There are so many supporting actors that bring that comedy and more so than Brendan Fraser or even the female actress lead in those films. And the comedy was good and I think they, right, I think that they just tried to

bring someone in and like kind of mirror that type of aspect in this. And you know, you're right. It really didn't work out too well. But I mean, I think he's an all right actor even though he's more of a comedian. Brendan Frasier mummy is way better and it's a better

throwback to the original mummy. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'll have to rewatch that one. I hadn't seen it in a while. All of the Brendan Fraser are like, oh my God, yeah. It's basically the mummy in its best, in my opinion. And the comedy isn't nears forced,

so it's actually funny. Right. They just go with the flow, huh? Yeah. Yeah, and ironically, So Brendan Fraser was in those mummy movies, and the tagline is A New World of Gods and Monsters, and he was in that movie with Ian McKellen,

Gods and Monsters, about James Whale, the guy who directed a lot of these other universal movies. So see, everything ties together. We'll see how the next one does, man. I don't know. This doesn't seem like a smart one to start the series out with, because I'm pretty sure it's going to bomb this weekend. yeah and honestly like with woman wonder woman coming out and like okay yeah like i am a woman

i have a vagina so i'm going to talk about this um you know with wonder woman coming out and it being so like forceful and so like pro feminism and pro females and like we're fucking strong i was kind of pissed off by watching the mummy a little bit like this newer version because going back to the brendan fraser you guys were just talking about those films rachel wise who plays, you know, the female lead in the mummy in the 1999 version, she was really strong. They wrote her very well. She was smart. She was funny.

She was cunning. Like, she had all the attributes that you would want. She was like an archaeologist, but like in the best way. And then you bring this woman into it with the new mummy and she was so lifeless. And it piss me off. Like, how are you? That's going to make the mummy fucking shitty. And honestly, you guys, like, I saw this at Alamo Draft House.

and I always notice of course like you know pre like you know showings of like trailers prior to the actual like the feature film and you know like I think it is appropriate to have the mummy come out and it is more of like a duder film even though I feel like that's kind of even sexist there a little bit I feel like anybody can enjoy it it doesn't matter who you are you know same thing with Wonder Woman but I couldn't help it notice all the Father's Day trailers

and then they think they had like one like chick flick trailer which was obvious, you know, it was like, oh, this is for, you know, the wife that's getting drug to go see, like, dragged to go see the mummy with her husband. Right. You know what I mean? And so I just feel like it was a real letdown seeing this mummy, you know, 2017. We've got these, like, you know, like forward, like forward motion with history, like these females that are super strong right now. And I feel like the comment, you know, the way that they wrote her was just a big letdown. and I think that that really isn't in their favor.

And I think they really should have rethought her writing for 2017. And I just feel like they really dropped the ball. And that's going to, I think, fuck them up in the long run. Yeah, I think you're right. Because even in the Brendan Fraser mummy, there was a line in there, because I watched it earlier today, where somebody tells her, Rachel Weiss, they were like, you know, you're just a girl.

You don't know, you know? And then she becomes the same. big strong character in the movie. And yeah, and they had the chick mummy in this one, which I think is where they were trying to go with the girl-powered thing. Right. She was chained up the whole time and not

really that awesome. It was just about her being hot, I think, more than powerful, you know? Yeah. And really, it wasn't even about her. She was actually kind of weak because, frankly, she was used as a vessel for set to become a human form. You know what I mean?

Right. Yeah, that's true. And then, yeah, you're right. That lead actress was, I don't know her name. I can't even remember what she looks like. Annabelle Wallis. Enabell Wallace. Terrible. Oh, wow.

Have you read her, he's bad? Have you read her description of her character? A feisty, kind, stubborn, and intelligent recruit of secret monster specialist. Recruit is pretty much the only word that should have been used to describe that. But overall, I'm glad that I saw this. It's, you know, I really wouldn't have seen this movie if it weren't for you guys to invite me on your podcast, which I'm grateful for. But, like, you know, I think it's worth it to review things when, you know, you think that maybe, you know, like I said earlier, don't knock it until you try it. So I'm at least glad that I got to see, you know, the 2017 version.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, and to what you said earlier, Philip, or was it, was it you, Philip that said that we will be checking out the other ones after this in the universal lineup? Oh, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure we will. I hopefully, hopefully they do something different with it because right. They can't build the franchise off of this one. I don't know, man. I'm, I'm, I'm actually thinking maybe you and Brian are going to have to go on, on that one.

And I'm going to have to take a back seat on, on that week. Maybe they don't have, maybe they won't have six different writers in the next one. I don't know if I can put myself through this again. Hopefully. We'll have to see. It's already lost the Thursday, Thursday. Thursday up against Wonder Woman. Oh wow, just on that one day?

As well, I should. Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure it's going to bomb. I mean, Wonder Woman caught so much positivity last week that this week is probably going to be almost as big as last week was. Right. Yeah, I know. So in one week I went from an 8.5 to a 1.5. There you go.

Oh, what a year. we're having. All right, well, everybody had a chance to say what was on their mind about this one then? I think so. Cool. All right, as always, we definitely want to thank all you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at the horror returns at gmail.com. And be sure to follow us on Facebook. We also have a horror returns group you can join. We're on Twitter. We're on Instagram and Podbean. just do a search for the horror returns.

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and you can find us on iTunes, Stitcher, and SoundCloud by searching for the Maccabcast. Cool. And next week, it's back to the deep waters with 47 meters down, as well as 1999's cheesy classic deep blue sea. And our special guest will be filmmaker Nick Hunt, who's got a movie coming out called Safe House, and we'll probably talk about that trailer as well because he's got the first teaser trailer out for it. Oh, yes. So, Brian, until the horror returns again,

Good night.