The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #59: Planet Of The Apes (1968) & War For The Planet Of The Apes (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: December 18, 2021

Nez joins us to get our monkey on this week. Thanks for listening!

Victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify goal, welcome. You have found the place where the whole returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers in the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Even delight and dread fantasize about fear and glorify gore. Welcome home.

This is the podcast that proves that the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie, and then we go back and find a classic work with similar themes. We look at both similarities and differences. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation. We also want to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and political climate of the times. We do include spoilers for the new film. However, we're going to wait until the very end of the show to spoil it,

so we're going to let you know before we do so with a spoiler alert. And if you guys don't want to hear the spoilers, just turn us off at that point, and we promise you won't miss a thing. we generally assume that you guys have already seen the classic film so there's pretty much always going to be spoilers when we discuss anything that has been out for at least a year the other thing that we may or may not do from time to time is use a few four-letter words

although that's going to happen this is a horror podcast and with our buddy Kevin on here we may use some five-letter words who knows man he may take us to the next level on the cursing. We'll find out. But anyway, you guys, you guys know the format. I'm tired of reciting this every week.

I need to do a little pre-recorded one like Jack Fixed for me the last time. But anyway, I'm Lance. As with me as always, a co-host, Brian and Philip. But what's really got us excited is our buddy Kevin Nez is back, man. What's going on, Kevin? What's up, brothers? I'm doing good, man. Just work and in between,

work and getting around I've been doing East Society I haven't really cranked out a MacNess podcast in a while

I think like over a month yeah we and Lance were talking about it earlier but East Society

man it's been going strong we always coming up with something we just actually probably either

later tonight or whenever Game of Thrones is coming back on Sunday and I just did NAS on the My, yeah, I did our last episode of Nez on the Throne on about season six.

And that, that Nez on the throne is actually going to be a weekly segment now for each, each episode that comes out. Oh, so. No shit. Yeah, we're doing that. And, yeah, I just, I know other people want to hear my other show, but I've just been busy. And Theo's been on me when we do our East Society. So there's, I don't know how many we've done so far lately after my last McNez one. But other than that, man, I'm good.

I'm about to start another venture with Blind Frankenstein, aka Big Jesse. We are starting another show on my network, Skater Podcast Network. It's going to be called the Big Guys podcast. What? How do you have time to function? he's big jesse and i'm big nez uh right we're playing off of the uh have you guys seen the greasy strangler no i hate that it was one of my bottom five last year man like i hated that movie dude uh we're kind of just stealing the name was kind of like uh what it was like big brady in okay i got

you i got you and big whatever that other guy's name was so i mean we both we both loved that movie it took us a few times big naked dick flopping around i think is what he was called basically. Half the movie he was walking around with his damn dick hanging it.

Basically like rapper names but in reverse. Yeah. Okay. We're still in the working stages of that.

Right. So everyone, that's coming. And other than that, man, just listening to your guys'

a show every week and screaming at screaming at it sometimes. Yeah, that happens. Hey, you talk about

the greasy strangler, Man, I have been told a couple of times that I really need to go back and check it out. I'm the second viewing. I've never watched it. And it's destined to be a cult classic. I won't argue with that. I got to watch it at least.

Give it a watch. Yeah, what is it? Kevin, they say to each other bullshit artist or something like that? Yeah. I mean, the first time I saw it, I was kind of like, what the fuck is this? I mean, I didn't know what it was. And because Jesse goes, dude, you got to watch this movie. So I watched the trailer and then I started watching it.

And I was just like, oh my, I didn't get what was going on. I was like, where the hell is this movie going? But we did our episode on it. And for the McNez podcast, Jesse and I did it. And talking about it, when we were talking about it, it made us both. You know what? I'm going to watch this again. So we both rewatched it.

I think I've watched it about four times so far. and I just slowly started to, it's funny, it's like that stupid funny. So I just, okay, and I just, I love it now. I don't have it in my library yet, but it's going to be, I'm going to get it soon. But it's definitely going to be a cult classic. And it's an acquired taste. So if you haven't seen it, just sit through it. Hey, Brian, what are you, what are you seen it, right?

What are your thoughts, man? I have not seen it. What? Right. He didn't everything. Philippine. I have not had time for anything lately. Damn.

Well, our friend Jack Falby, that's been on the show a couple of times, he's with binge media. It was one of his top five, and it was one of my bottom five last year. We both usually like the same shit. But he's a Patriots fan. Well, so are my. You can't hold that against us. All right. Well, that's.

That sounds pretty cool, Kevin. So you're finally going to get a Magnus up. You've got to tell us about you're going to be our lifeline to the Comic Con next week, brother. Oh, yes. I am headed down to, I'm here in California, and we have the big San Diego Comic Con International that happens every year. It's like the mecca of mecca of comic conventions. No one. It's kind of gotten away.

from what it used to be, from the beginning. And now it's just like a big, huge, like, as soon as, this is what I always say, Hollywood took over. Right. And it's just, it's, it's cool. And then sometimes it's not. Compared to when I first started going, how you can just walk into these big panels, no problem. Now it's at the point where you have to sleep outside overnight in line just to get in to these panels. And it's kind of ridiculous now.

but I've invested too many years to stop going, so I go every year, and I'm excited. I get excited every year to go. I try to get into screenings. Last year I got into the lights out screening, and all the stars were there. So that was pretty sweet, and just everything that comes with it. I mean, there's collectibles. There's also, there is comic books there, and I always make it out. I'd always make it a point to at least pick up a few books.

I always do anyway, because there's always just some stuff I see that I can't find anywhere else. So, I mean, whoever goes to any kind of comic book convention, that's what these conventions are about comic books. So if you're a comic book reader or a book reader, do pick up books to read to keep the comic in the titles. So, I mean, there is all the Hollywood stuff and the movies and the TVs and everything. And it's all amazing. It's a good time. If any of you guys, any of you listeners have gone, you know. But if you haven't, at least some time in your life, put this on your bucket list and make it down to San Diego.

It's awesome convention. Yeah. I'm looking forward to following along with you, man. Yeah. I'm going to be just throwing pictures up. I'm going to record a daily episode. that they probably won't be very long, maybe 10, 15 minutes long, just my wrap-up of the day and everything.

And Ziso, he did it with me last year. Right. That was before we started the East Society. So we're just going to do all this and hopefully talk to whoever we can. I am lining up an interview with a buddy of mine. His name is Sean Phillips, Sean C. Phillips. Okay. But he's a cool duder on YouTube.

Right? Yeah, I watch his videos. Yeah, that's how I found him. I don't know, I was just flipping through YouTube one time, and he was talking about all his horror movie collection. So I just started watching his videos, and this is when he was bigger. He's, like, really skinny now. He just lost, like, a ton of weight. And he was living in Baltimore, I believe, at the time.

But he always came out to San Diego. and I met him there at a, it was the Lost Boys 2, I believe, at the screening they had there. And after that, we just kept seeing each other every year. And then we just kind of swapped numbers and we started talking. And I lined up an interview. I don't know when we're going to do it, but we're going to, I'm going to sit down with him and just get a few minutes. I know he's going to be busy because this guy is doing all his videos. he

he's in he's like a movie like an indie movie star right and all these little all these low budget horror movies and everything

but everybody knows who he is damn dude that's bad ass man he's a really cool guy man every time I see him we just sit there and shoot the shit and it's always good to see him

so sometime during the week we're going to touch faces and I'm going to sit down and record an interview with him and so sounds like a lot of fun um

But yeah, I mean, it's going to be Comic-Con. So if you guys listen to the show, you're going to hear everything that I've done every day. And I'm going to throw pictures on my Instagram page and Facebook and all that. So I can't wait. Let me ask you this, man. Like if we want to just hear the 10, 15-minute dailies like you were doing last year, where can our listeners go to pull that down, like either subscribe to or like just stream it? um you it's it's where i'm also i'm on pod bean and i'm also on iTunes um look up a skaternes

podcast network and uh both of my shows are on their east society as well as the mac nez podcast um and it it it'll be either mac nez or east society most likely both of them um and uh just the how to spell it is sk um the number eight uh er NES N-Z podcast network. Like I said, I'm on iTunes and Podbean. And like my Facebook page, MacNess Podcasts or E-Society, because I always throw the links for the shows on there. As well as the horror returns,

I throw links to my shows on there all the time. So, yeah, if you guys want to listen to me, just blab about this and that while I'm at Comic-Con, And please listen to the show because I appreciate every listener out there. And for some reason, and I don't know how people are listening to, it's weird looking at the pod bean statistics because you see where your listeners are. And the UK, Philippines, Japan, China, Russia, and Turkey, and all throughout the United States, I was kind of blown away like, wow. But, I mean, I don't know, I appreciate every listener. And as well as I appreciate the three of you guys for just letting me come on here and just talk about stuff we love.

And, dude, I still, Brian, I wish you were there. But when we were down in Texas at the Texas Frightman, man, man, that was such a fucking awesome time, dude. I can't wait to do that again with you guys. Oh, he'll be that next year. Yes, definitely. I will be there. We'll find a way to get Brian there for sure. Or Brian, you've got to find a way to get Brian there, motherfucker.

Oh, don't worry. I'm coming, definitely. All right. Well, let's jump in a cool of the week, guys. Everybody knows the format. Brian, you want to kick it off, man? I do want to talk about Neil Blomkamp's Oat Studio. His little shorts he's been putting on YouTube.

Have you seen those? Yeah, he's put out three installments. They're about 20, between 20 and 30 minutes long. Usually, you know, around 20-something minutes. Right. And every time I watch an installment, I just really wish we could have got the alien movie. Yeah. This guy does science fiction so well.

And the third installment gives you a little vibe from the thing, just a little bit. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Like, talking wrong, I love Ridley Scott, but I really would have loved to see Neil Baumkamp do this. Yeah. He's put a lot of quality into these little shorts here. and I heard after he's done putting them all out,

he's going to release all of them as one movie in the theater. Okay. Which I'll probably go check it out. They're very well done. And he's got a few big-name stars that pop up. Sigourney Weaver has popped up. Dakota Fanning's popped up in one. No kidding.

Yeah. So I think I post him on the page. If I haven't, I'll probably post them on the page in the Facebook group. I think everybody should check it out. Oh. do you get to check out any more any more of the movies that Kevin suggested on that Wonder Woman

list? You know what? I was about, you know what? The one I chose for this week was Savage Streets. Is that one you recommended? Yeah. Yeah.

What a shocker. I did not get to any, I did not watch any movies or any TV shows at all this week. Dan, Lance, did you get anybody to answer? the Wendy O. Williams question? Yeah. Darren, Darren hooked us up. I knew he would. Yeah. What, you tell us, Kevin, because Darren already gave us the answer.

Oh, and get you the answer to it. Kevin, I know you know the answer to it. She was the lead singer for the Plasmatics. Nice. Okay. And that movie, Reform School Girls, that movie was awesome. I saw it was a double feature when Texas Chance on Massacre 2 came out. I didn't even, I never even heard of Reform School Girls. I mean, this is, is in the day where pretty much every movie was made was in the theater because that type that type of movie would right now would just go

straight to VOD or DVD but it was in the theater even the new Chucky movie now is going straight to VOD I don't know about that one but I'll see it I see it. Dude I'm looking forward to it man come on

I didn't like the last one so you didn't like cult? I mean you didn't like a curse? Curse? No. No. I didn't. Seed of Chucky was the only horrible one.

I thought the last one was really good, man. I only liked the first three. The first three I thought were cool. And then after that, when Bride and Seed and whatever else. You got to love Bride of Chucky, man. I only like Jennifer Tilly. She's the only thing I liked about that. She did.

All right. Well, that's a lot to like, man. I'm kidding. She kind of saved it. That was the only reason I watched it. Yeah. I just, hey, Kevin, I just, I just didn't care for seed of Chuckie. I'm trying to figure out why his son had a British accent.

You know, that didn't ever make any sense to me. Out of Tiffany and Chuckie, I mean, his little, their little kid, he was creepy. I mean, I think that was the only thing to creep me out. I didn't like the way he looked. Right. Yeah, with that accident, I didn't get that either, but hey. Well, whatever's creepy. I guess I'll go my cool of the week.

Man, I kind of got to go shameless again, just because that's the only thing that I've seen since then. I got stuck on it. You guys have had some rough weeks. And I had to finish that series. And since then, I have not watched a single thing except Planet of the Apes. Planet of the Apes should be my cool of the week, really. All right.

Although the shameless thing was cool. I'm stuck in it now. I'm addicted. I'm totally waiting until the next season, and I cannot wait just to throw it out there until Game of Thrones on Sunday. Oh, Game of Thrones. All right. Well, Nez, what was your cool of the week, man? I also didn't watch too much because of work, but I did squeeze in the mid-season finale of Fear of the Walk you dead,

because you had, what's her face from two dead chicks on the last weekend. Melissa, yeah. Yeah. I remember when we met her when we were sitting in the bar. Yeah. And I asked her, I said, do you guys do fear the walking dead?

All I remember was her expression on her face. I don't know her. She just went, fuck, she went, fuck no. I was like, all right,

cool, right on. But yeah, I mean, fear the walking dead, the midseason finale, well, actually the last few episodes of it,

once the, uh, the, the native guys jumped on Michael Grayey's. Awesome actor. Awesome Native actor. And it was a shocker for me because I was always wondering in this zombie apocalypse, where the hell are all the Native Americans at?

And I was kind of happy and glad that they finally thrown them in there. I know there's a lot of social commentary behind what they're doing about them trying to get their land back from, the what's his face, the guy from the son's of anarchy. The dude from sons of anarchy. The lizard. We always call him the lizard with that real dry skin. He was Jabadiah in that movie that y'all hated so much last year,

Avatore. Oh, yeah, yeah. The beard, I got. The fat guy. Yeah, dude, his character and the fear of the walking dead is despicable, man. He's just, he's a dirtbag, man. I just, spoiler alert.

I just liked the whole native factor. I mean, I thought that was pretty sweet. And what's going on? I mean, this show was dragging for a while, but now it seems to start to be picking up. And I think that was the last thing. Yeah, the last thing I watched it was on just regular TV because I've been just working.

I need to go back and check it out. Oh, dude, I'm actually loving Fear of the Walking Dead. And one of our listeners, Jeff Jansick, he called me out on Messenger because... I actually, I think it was on the Facebook page, Jeff, when I said, I don't like this show because nobody important dies. It's like there's no stakes. And he said, what the fuck are you talking about? The main guy died in the second episode. I said, bullshit.

They shot him, and then you saw him bleeding, and then he fell out of the helicopter. I said, you know he's going to show up later. He goes, Lance, he's already. showing up on Talking Dead, he's done. And they said, no surprises, no comebacks, no Glenn. And I said, okay, then you got me

sold. Because this dude, this dude was set up to be one of the main characters from day one. Travis, they let him go on the second episode. So I'm fucking loving it. And I love the new group that they've come up against, but I guarantee you at some point, Madison and the natives

are going to be on the same side. They've got to be. Well, now I know what happened to Travis. Thanks, Lance. Well, you know what? If you haven't seen it by now, fuck you, dude. You shouldn't be listening to this podcast, motherfucker. I'm on this podcast. It's a spoiler.

Oh, wait. It's been less than a year. Uh-oh. Oh, shit. Oh, you're good, man. I'm not worried about it. All right, I guess if you haven't seen Fear of the Walking Dead by now, you're probably not going to see it.

But I'm loving it. I really need to go back and watch it, man. I'm really enjoying it. Yeah, I mean, it's been pretty good. I mean, we kind of talked about it a little bit on East Society. with the two zombie shows, Z Nation and, well, three of them, Walking Dead and Fear the Walking Dead. Right.

Z Nation was actually the first show to put Native Americans on their show. I mean, Z Nation... Actually, I think I heard you talking about it. It's a corny show, but it's fun to watch. I can't handle it, dude. I tried, once they got to, like, the third or fourth episode where they had that fucking zombie baby pop out from under the bed, I said, I'm out.

It's just too fucking stupid. It's like Z Shark Nato or something. There was kind of a zombie tornado or something. I can't remember. Something was the episode. Z-Nato. It was an episode with the natives in it.

They were in Arizona. And there was this huge wall. It looked like a dust cloud. It was full of zombies. And one of the characters in the show goes, well, at least there's no sharks in there. Wow. Why does that not surprise me?

That's funny. I'm not mad. It's on that kind of funny stupid humor. It would be some dumb shit, I would say. Yeah, speaking of funny, stupid humor, I guess I'll get into my cool of the week, although this is actually a second place. It would have been my cool of the week, but another show ended up on such a high note, well, not a high note, a super low note, but psychological.

logically, but very well done. And I'll talk about that next, but my runner-up for Cool of the Week is definitely blood drive. Oh. Anybody check that out yet? I haven't. No. What channel is that on?

Dude, it's on sci-fi. Sci-fi. Brian, you've seen it? I've only checked out the first episode. I feel like Kevin would love the show. It's stupid, funny. But I'm really enjoying it. It's just incredibly cheesy.

Yeah. But it's definitely worth hanging in there just to see what stupid, crazy shit that. come up with, and they throw the F-bomb out there, like, seven or eight times an episode. On sci-fi night. Yeah, and I'm like, when the fuck were we able to start saying fuck on the sci-fi network, you know? But, anyway, that's the runner-up. Because Stone Cold said so. All right.

Well, my cool of the week, hands down, is the finale of Handmaid's Tale on Hulu. Have you guys seen that? Oh. Uh-uh. Is that the finale of the first season? Oh, man. It's just... If you're going to check it out, be ready to be depressed as hell.

Yeah. Because it's a depressing kind of show. It's not the feel-good show of the year, that's for sure. But very well done and the way they ended it. Because I had read the book many, many years ago, and I saw the original film with Natasha Hinsridge in it. And what they do is they basically create or they expand on the universe. And the world building is amazing on what they do.

And it seems really far-fetched at first, and then it seems believable in kind of a scary way, but a lot of great acting in it. What the fuck? You all hear that wolf? That was my dog. Is that wolf cop?

Another wolf cop. Another wolf cop. All right, well, that's cool of the week. You guys ready to keep moving? Extra, extra. She probably come up a little more sinister sound mic. Yeah, no shit. All right, we'll take listeners' recommendations on that, right?

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Well, as a listener, I like that little jingle you throw in front of it. All right, cool. It's comic relief. All right, let's see. We're going to start with Little TV News. John Cho and Brianna Hildebrand has been cast in Season 2 of The Exorcist.

and pretty sure everybody knows who John's show is. He's a Sulu from Star Trek. Oh, right. Harold. Oh, Harold and Kumar, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And Brianna Hildebrand is,

she was Negasonic Teenage Warhead in Deadpool. Oh, okay. Oh, no shit. Okay. Yeah. Is that that little one that didn't talk? Yeah. The chick.

Yeah, the chick. Yeah, the chick. That was always, like, texting on her phone. Right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

That'll be... Ooh, teenage angst. Yeah. Yeah, they've been casted, and season two, the premieres September 29th on Fox. I know you're happy about that, Brian. Yes, I was a little worried there for a second. I need to finish the first season. That's the one I really need to check out.

I don't need to finish the first season. I'm going to watch the first season. I'm going to watch the first season. two or three episodes and I'm like, I'm good. Really? Yeah. I'm going to watch it when I get home. I keep forgetting to check this one out and I'm done with Jameless now and I have nothing to watch. Right? It already got spoiled for me the ending, so I'm like, uh, but I still watch it.

Yeah, me too, man. Me too. Okay. Okay. Anne Rice wants the fans to cast a stat for the upcoming Vampire Chronicles TV show. Oh, cool. There's a TV show coming out? Yep. And she... You, brother. Tom Cruise was awesome in that, man.

I like that she wants to... He wants to... The fans to cast it. Yeah. The information I got, you can go to the Facebook page, the Vampire Chronicles, or... Right. At official Vampire Chronicles. And you can submit your choice.

And I think that's how they're going to go with the casting. They're going to see who the fans really want. to play the stat. And then they won't be able to afford it and they'll go with the next best guy. Most likely. Well, fuck, after the mummy, I hope it's not Tom Cruise. Right. Is it going to be some young hardthrob?

I didn't like the dude that was a stat in that one with Alia. What was it? Oh, Queen of the Damned. Yeah, I didn't like, I didn't like that, dude. You didn't like him? No. I didn't even like that movie. I was kind of disappointed.

I didn't either, man. I actually liked Tom Cruise in the first one. Yeah, that was true one. He kind of blew me away, you know? I wasn't expecting that. Fun fact of the day, when I was like 10, we had a cat nameless that. No shit. There you go.

I didn't say it was interesting. I just said it was fun. Kevin Stewart Townsend. There you go. Yeah, him. Yeah, he was terrible. I wouldn't even know I don't even know who's

The New Flavor of the Month I don't even know who that is now Or Other than Zach Ephron I don't know who You know it's It's kind of hard to submit it How about the Rock?

I love Zach Ephron But I'm not leaning that direction Nor the Rock Yeah it's kind of hard to pick someone Because you don't even know What tone they're going with this TV show Johnny Depp can pull it off Is this, now is this going to be based on the new books, like the new series starting with Prince Lestat that came out like three years ago?

I think she wants to start from the beginning. All right. So all the way back to interview, huh? Yeah. All right. Hmm. I don't know. Actually, I just purchased the Prince Lestat book.

I haven't read it yet. But there's that one, and then she's already written another one called Prince Lestat and the realms of it. Atlantis. So maybe he'll team up with Jason Momoa and they'll do an iPoman crossover. Who knows? Fuck. Just get Edward from Twilight. No. No.

So that guy still acts? Whoa, whoa, whoa, I've got it. I don't know. Kevin. I got your man. You ready? This is going to be your dude for LaSotte. Are you ready to hear this?

Patch from Witchboard? No, Dane Dahan. Oh. Oh, he looks kind of vampire-ish. That dude looks like he has been on, like, heroin for a whole lot of years. I hate that fucker, man. I mean... I like him.

I like him. But he looks like he's a drug addict. Dane, if you're listening, I'm sorry, dude. I just, I don't feel it. I'm not, but I think you're cool of shit, but you're definitely a drug addict. I'm sure he's listening. I did like him in Chronicle when you guys did that one, but... Right.

he lost it from me and what was that one when he was at that hospital the one that came out was it last year or earlier this year cure for wellness i actually was expecting big things out of that one and i got mediocre things but i still enjoyed it i did i did you needed it dude i heard your whole review oh i was mad i did like the scene where they went into that bar in town him and the girl i thought that was kind of interesting at least it was different. I hadn't seen a scene like that in a movie before, you know? I don't know. I felt eerie with the whole dad-daughter thing.

Yeah, creepy as hell, huh? Oh, yeah, no. It's totally weird. I'm not like in a fun porn hub kind of way. Say that again, Philip? Do what? Nothing. Keep going. I don't know what that is. I don't know. Moving on.

We are getting another Amnivim. movie. We haven't even got the last one yet. Okay. Let me elaborate here. This one's going to be produced by Eli Roth, and it's going to be based on the Defeo family. Okay.

And it's going to do with the whole conjuring thing. No. Okay. This is its own thing, and the movie's going to be titled 1974. Oh, Jesus Christ. Just give me the awakening first. and then give us... Yeah, right.

The Bella Thorne one, right? That was supposed to come back 12 years ago. Yeah, I don't know if we're ever getting that. It's just like 12 right now. By the time it comes out, she's going to have gray hair, dude. I know, right? Jesus. Well, she'll still play a teenager because that's what they do.

I just want to see Jennifer Jason Lee because I love her. Right? Fair enough. And probably, at least for me, probably the biggest news of the week is Tarantino, finally announced his next movie, and it is going to be a Charles Manson Manson family movie. Roger Dodger, who do you cast as this one? Who's Charles Manson?

He's already casted Sam Jackson in the movie for unspecified rumors. He has to be in the movie, but who plays Charles Manson? No, no, no. Who plays Charles Manson? Although he could do Charles Manson. That would be fun. I'm getting tired of this motherfucking Sharon Tatee. This motherfucker house.

You get your ass in and kill that bitch right now. I don't know. You know, it's a heart because he uses a lot of the same actors. Right. But I hear he's trying to go a little different because he's trying to get Margot Robbie in this movie. Harley Quinn herself. And she's, he's, he's, really? She's rumored to be playing Sharon Tate, Roman Polanski's wife.

Now, yeah. I may be done with. Tarantino at this point. No, what is the matter with you? I don't like what I'm hearing at all. Because Margarovie. It's fucking dumb. It just sounds stupid, man.

Charles Manson? Fucking Manson movies have been done to death. Not by, but not Tarantino. I don't know. Emil Hirsch. That's Charles Manson. Oh, no.

Wow. Right? You got the wheel spinning now, dude. Dane DeHahn. Kevin will go through that. Dan Jahn could totally pull off for Charles Manson. No.

But I can see a mill doing it. I could too, man. That's actually pretty goddamn good casting, dude. What are you doing here and do this podcast with us, man? You should be a Hollywood casting agent. Yeah. You should be sitting at the head of the casting couch, man. That's what I'm doing.

Wait a minute. And you can get us into all the cons. Right. That sounds like another Pornhub video. Man, I don't like the way this show's going. I do. Let's see That was pretty much it

I'm sure we're going to get a lot of news Coming out of Comic Con here soon Yeah most of it 99% of ours coming from Kevin There you go Pretty much What else do you need, baby? All right

Oh man I guess it's that time There's always something going on Down in the Trail of Hood Wow You got like the lyrics down and everything I would sing it, but I don't have that good of a singing voice, so I did my best. I'm going to come up with a new trailer part song.

That would be great. That'll work. What do we get to look at, Philip? The good, the bad, and the very, very weird, because that's what we do. And the big and the small. What's our first trailer this week? Let's go with 68 kill. starring

starring Matthew Gray Gubler Anna Lynn McCord and Alicia Bow directed by Trent Haga which I looked up

Trent Haga he's written some pretty good stuff he was a writer for cheap throws okay and have you guys ever checked out Dead Girl

Nah I haven't seen either of those two movies but I've been wanting to see both of them actually Is that the one someone that they were raping that

dead girl in the basement? I think so. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And he's also wrote some stuff from Troma. Okay. Well, there you go. I can see that. He'd sit right in with your greasy strangler

friends, Kevin. It looks super quirky. Like, I'm kind of excited about this one. It looks... Really? It looks like it may very well turn into a cult classic. I mean, it's really... I don't know about that. I mean, it's... It looks super quirky and kind of cool, and I mean, it could go really right or it could go really wrong.

To me, it just looked like a thousand other trailers I've seen before. You think so? Yeah, for like kind of cheesy crime gone wrong, you know, thriller comedy slash whatever. This felt like to be... I don't know. It didn't really resonate with me that much. Like the last one that Jason Mamoa did with the girl with the smiley face... Oh, the bad bad...

Have you guys checked that movie out? I watched it, but I had a lot of shit going on in the background. It was long. Okay, maybe I shouldn't ask this question. Well, I'll ask a question. I haven't seen it, but I want to. What time period was it set in? That's a good question.

They made it seem like it was in the future, but there was a lot of stuff that it made it seem like it was in maybe the early 90s. Right. If that. I mean, more like 80s or late 70s or something. Yeah. What movie is this? The Bad Batch.

The Bad Batch. I still want to check it out. Yeah, I want to see that. I haven't seen it yet. I don't know about this movie, guys. I mean, well, for a question, have you guys watched Nip Tuck? Yeah, I loved it. I watched every episode.

Is that? Same guys that do American Horror Story. Is that that girl that was in that show? Is it? I don't know. That's what I'm asking. You talked about the young one? The crazy-looking blonde chick?

Yeah. Back checking right now. It's a good question, man. If you're talking about... Back checking on the fly. Anna Lynn McCord, she's been in a lot of shit, but I don't remember her in that one. Let's see.

She is, however, super hot. I think that's a yes on NipTug character named Eden Lord. Oh, look, Al Scout. Yeah, you found it. The miracle of IMDB, folks. We don't make this shit up. Okay, that wasn't. her?

Yeah, that was her. Trade it on the internet. Okay, I'll watch it then, because I liked her. And she is pretty hot. Right? Yeah. Yeah, and I heard this movie got a lot of buzz at Sundance, so it's enough for me to check it out. And the directors wrote in a couple of movies that I thought were pretty good.

So we are going to move on to something that also I'm hearing a lot of buzz about, and that is Kuso? Cuso. Cuso. saying that one right? You mean, Kujo or what? No, Kuso.

Cuso. All I need to say is it's starring Hannibal Burris and George Clinton, and that's already sold me. Done. It is an anthology movie, and

synopsis, events unfold after a devastating earthquake in Los Angeles. Okay. And that trailer was all over the place. I didn't know what was going on, but I don't see it.

Yeah, no shit, dude. It's like, I don't know what I'm seeing, but I sure a shit want to see this. Different. Very cool. I like it. Yeah, it looked fucked up, man. I couldn't even figure what the hell was going on. And I love Hamilton and, you know, I couldn't go wrong with George Clinton.

George Clinton? Did you say George Clinton? Yep, George. That's the one. Yes, sir. No shit? Yep. He didn't have his hair.

I'm all in, man. I'm all in. Yeah, it's directed... What the fuck is it about, man? From what I'm... What I've heard, it's an anthology. It's about the aftermath of earthquake. And it looks like everybody's came down with some kind of virus or something.

Hmm. That's always a good way to start a story, you know? A lot of fear and whatnot. Yeah, it's being directed by somebody named Flying Lotus, which I looked him up. He's mainly done a lot of work on something. sound tracks and he's been a composer on movies and video games, a lot of well-known movies.

So I think this is his debut into directing. And he's a legendary samurai warrior. Right. Is he a rapper or do you know? I think he's just a composer. I don't know, man. It definitely got my attention. I mean, it looks

fucked up enough that might be worth, you know, going down to the movie theater, taking a couple of tabs of acid and hanging out with our friend from the Spanish movie we saw a couple of weeks ago. Oh. What was that in his name? The Rocker?

Yeah. He definitely had plenty of questions. Oh my gosh, I can't think of his name now. You remember, did you watch that, Kevin? The Day of the Beast. Yeah. That movie was crazy. Awesome. Did you like it?

Yeah. I figured that'd be a movie like handpicked for Kevin. Yeah, I thought so too. I need to find it, but I just watched it online, but I just watched it online, but I I want to buy it and I need it in my library. Yeah, it's a good one, man. It's a good one. And I like the ideas that we were given from Lars about who he would cast in the roles.

Yeah, definitely. Because that was the other guy that I was thinking of, aside. Jose Maria. That was his name. Ah, Jose. Okay. And Hollywood, if you're listening, don't remake it. Leave it alone.

It's fine. the way it is. Yeah, I like that philosophy. It would be nice in English, though. Yeah, it'd be nice if we could spearhead it and get involved in it. I'm directing this motherfucker. Let's do it. Okay.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to this one big time. Release day, July 21st. So, real soon. That's like next week of 2017? Wow. I've never heard another thing about. Wow. How can we see this movie? This is the question. I'm sure it'll get a limited release, but most likely it would probably be on VOD.

I'm thinking. Cool. I also forgot release day for 68 Kill is August 4th, also coming up pretty soon. Okay. Yeah, well, I'm a lot more excited about Kuso than 68 Kill. No, hell, I'm like that. You know? On to another one, I'm probably not even going to watch this shit.

A puppet master access termination. Oh, come on, Brian. You don't like the Master movies, dude. I like the original ones. These ones, I don't know what the fuck is going on. I'm completely lost. It's fucking Nazis building killer puppets. What more do you need to know?

You can't put terrible acting in the trailer. Oh, dude, it's a Charles Band production, man. Kevin, you've got a story about Charles Band productions and going to see one in the theater. And basically they had to give out unlimited free beer to get people to stick around, right? Well, yeah, when we went to Texas FireHare, I sat through Evil Bong 666. Oh, yeah, we missed that one. I went in there because you guys were said, yeah, let's go see it because there's free beer.

What happened? How did we get split up? Wives. I went in there, sat down. I was looking around for you guys. I didn't see you. I was enjoying my free beer. Next thing you know, the movie was over.

Right? Free beer. That's watching this trailer. I mean, I love the first puppet master movie. After that, I kind of tuned out. But, I mean, it's cool to see that they're still going because there is a fan base for this franchise. And Charles Band, man, he's an awesome guy. I've talked to him a few times, mainly about his movie, Laser.

Blast. But watching this trailer, I mean, it's cool to see all the, the little, the OG puppets and then the new ones that they throw in. Yeah, I enjoyed that too, man. I'm looking forward to this. I love these stupid-ass puppet master movies, man. If it's on, and I'll watch it, but I don't think I'm going to go out of my way. Right. Yeah, it is what it is.

I'm in the minority, but I'm looking forward to it. I'm not mad at it, but I'll watch it. When is it coming out? I could not find a release date on IMDB. Talk about your puppet master. Who is that? We're looking at a picture of one of the actresses, man. She looks like she's got a couple of personal puppets.

She walks around with all the time. Spend the money on big actors. Spend the money on big boogies. Diana Prince. Now that means sounds familiar. Oh, you mean not Wonder Woman? I like reference for us. Right.

That's the word of three. today. Full moon. Full moon features they're always at Comic-Con. And Charles Band is always there, so who knows, maybe they'll probably have a screening for it down there. And if there's free beer involved for the screening of this, I'll sit in there. Cool. Do me a favor. Kevin, no one wrote a puppet master fan I am. Will you take your phone in there and try to sneak a little video for me?

If they have a screening, I'll try. I want you to sneak a video in between her movies. Okay, on to our final trailer, which will be Stephen King's Mr. Mercedes. I enjoyed the book. Starring Kelly Lynch, Brendan Gleason, and Harry Threadaway, which did a little reading about this. The role that he's getting was a... originally supposed to be Anton Yelchen. Oh, okay.

Which I believe Harry Threadway in the trailer is the alleged killer, I guess. Yeah, so that would have... Antoine Yelchin, unfortunately died from a self-inflicted car accident. I don't know how do you say that. Well, he like, yeah, an accident. Yeah, from Star Trek. Brian, you told us the details. What happened to you?

Yeah. Jack off from Star Trek. Yeah, he had a guy. out of his vehicle to go walk down the driveway, they checked the mail. And I guess they're saying there was probably some kind of factory recall on the part, on the car.

And it basically wasn't in park, and it rolled back into him and basically pinned him up against, I think they said he had like a brick mailbox kind of thing, and it just pinned him up against it. And pretty,

I'm assuming he was crushed, basically. Right. Right. something like that. This is very tragic and unfortunate. Bad, bad stuff. But it makes me wonder watching the trailer, because I guess he was cast in this right before he had passed.

So it makes me wonder, because I am interested in the show, but he is such a great actor. I just imagine how much better this would have been with him in it. He really is, yeah, you're right. Well, uh, Brendan,

Brendan Gleason is, uh, I mean, he's one of the better Irish actors that I've ever seen and his son you guys are familiar with General Hux in the Star Wars movies

Oh that's his son? Yeah Domhall Gleason That's his son And he was also an ex Machina And a number of other things He was in an episode of Black Mirror Kevin Oh my God

That one was so sad That's his That's his dad man So I think he's gonna be great in the role as the grisled old you know retired police officer or detective that is hunting down Mr. Mercedes you know it should be a great movie

I like that it's actually this is going to be a series TV series yeah is it a mini series or is it going to be ongoing from what I'm told it's a full series not a mini series I'm not mad so I got one there's three books already

I'm sorry Kevin do what one question When the hell did AT&T start making original series? Right? I wonder at the same thing. No, but they have made, oh, the movie that Eddie from Cali, the TV show Eddie from Calli is always talking about. Oh, yes, that one. Yeah, that, that, yes, the MMA show, yes.

Oh, I was a one. Yeah, yeah, that was their first one. And I never even watched that one. And they've done a couple of movies. as well. And I'm a gay guy. Yeah,

we talked about a couple of movies that they got in I think they got into the business because they had purchased direct TV. Right. So I think they're going to be

making a lot more TV shows and movies. So is this series only going to be on direct TV? I would say so, but I'm sure there's other means of watching it.

Okay. Depends on how how good your sailing skills are pirating skills, I guess. If you're not first, you're last. Well, I have direct TV, so I'll look for it. I do, too.

I need to. So I can check it out legit. I like what's his name, Glees. And he's, I loved him in Braveheart. Absolutely. He was badass. And 28 days later, and I also loved him in Lake Placid. Okay, cool.

I got to. Yeah, he's the perfect, like, grizzled, pissed off, alcoholic old motherfucker that you do not want to fuck with. Yeah. He's, I think he's going to be perfect in the role. Oh, yeah, he's 100% Irish. Yeah.

Because he's sort of a skinny little fuck, but because he's Irish, it makes him like, yeah, that much more tough. Yeah, well, no, we're talking about the dad. Oh, okay, I got you. Brendan, he ain't skinny. He's got quite a bit going on right now.

I got you. I got you. I thought you're wrong with it. Son. No, that's, no, they're, they're, They're both kind of similar, but, uh, no, I think, I think it's great casting. I'm, I'm really looking forward to this one. All right.

Uh, let's see, August, uh, August 9th, uh, episode one airs. Cool. We don't have to wait. No, we don't. Uh, that is it. That's all we have. Fuffa, fuffa, fuffe feedback. Let's do it.

Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. A, uh, Wendio Williams Plasmatics, uh, theme. You ready, Kevin? Fuff, p, f f f f f f fucking feedback. Fuck me, fuck me, fuck you All right

That you Yeah, and then fucking That should be the new one from now on All right, you record that And put it in front of every feedback session All right, move on, dude That ain't gonna happen So of course our buddy, Lars from Denmark

sent us a poster for the upcoming Halloween returns and said, don't screw it up, Danny McBride. And I don't think that he will. Were those real posters, or were they like fan names? That's what I was wondering, man, if it was like fan art or whatever. No telling. I don't know, Lars.

They look sweet. I like them. I didn't. I wasn't sure because there's, I mean, sometimes I got duped before with this, the supposedly new Friday of the 13th film that was supposed to come out. And all these fan-made posters that look legit. I was all excited and it was all false. Right.

The one I remember the most was, have you guys ever seen the fan poster for Hocus Pocus 2? Oh, yeah. Bet Medler and Horseface and Kathy Nejimi? Horseface. And that looked legit. That was a well-gun poster. I like Sarah Jessica Parker. Yeah, me too.

I just couldn't think of her name. Yeah. She's a little cute horse face. You know what I mean. Anyway. So, no, I have faith in Denny McBride. That dude is awesome. Yeah, I do too.

Well, yeah, after all, we all loved Alien Covenant, right? Yeah, I don't feel like that. I know you motherfuckers all hated it, Kevin, and you know I liked it. I didn't, I didn't hate it, but. I enjoyed the ride. I love that last part. I don't care how goddamn brainless it was. I don't care how many plot holes there were.

I love that last scene where he grabbed him with the machine, and they were the big battle scene at the end when he jumped on the... You're right. I'm talking myself out of it. It was kind of dumb. No, I mean, what I was going to go for is sort of applies to the Planet of the Apes thing, but I'm going to say, the way you do a prequel is the way that Star Wars did a prequel. What?

Yes. And what? make it shitty on purpose? No, I hate to go off on a tangent, but Rogue 1? Oh, that prequel. That's the way you do a prequel. When you lead right up to it, answer all the questions beforehand, and then it rolls right into the next movie.

All right. Brian, you were thinking the same thing I was there for a second, right? Yeah, I'm glad you clarified yourself. Yeah, now Rogue 1, Rogue 1 prequel. All right. Yeah, not like, goofy fly thing prequel. Anyway. So regarding Spider-Man Homecoming, our buddy Patrick Lear, he says,

I still like Spider-Man 2 as a movie better overall, and I think that you are wrong. That's the one with Alfred Molina, right? He says Molina as Doc Ock was just a great villain. Holland No is definitely... He says, Holland knows definitely his best Spider-Man, 7.5. All right, we've already talked about this, Kevin. We want to know what you think about it. You saw Homecoming, right?

I feel like 7.5 is a little low. Yeah. I did. I rated it higher. Right. I liked it. I mean, I enjoyed it every minute of it,

but I just, some of the changes, I was kind of like, okay, whatever. But, I mean, I know Renee was getting my wife, she was getting mad,

kind of getting mad, because I was sitting there going, uh, everything that changed, and I was like, okay, whatever. I mean,

but, but for what, it was, I would have gave it like an eight. But I got to agree with Patrick the, what's his face? It was Doc Doc Locke and the second one. Out of all

the villains that we've had so far with the whole Spider-Man movies, I thought he was the best one. And I would put Michael Keaton right under because he was fucking badass. Yeah, I love Michael. He's, I think he's my favorite now

of the villains. Oh, you guys didn't like Paul Giamatti? Oh. It's like a horrible. He's a great actor, too. I love him as an actor, but boy, that was a bad role for him. Well, he was just jumping on the comic book movie bandwagon and he did him dirty.

Yeah, no shit, man. But thanks to everyone who reaches out to us. We love the feedback. And as always, you can reach us at our Facebook or Podbean page. Or you can email us directly at The Horror Returns at Giam. mail.com or check out any of the social medias that are available and you can just search the horror returns and we'll be there. For you, ladies and gentlemen, for you.

That's what we're here for. We love to hear from you. Shoot us an email. We'll mention you on the show. Thank you so much. All right. So you guys ready for the featured attractions? A feature presentation.

Yep. Kevin, are you ready to go ape? You know it. Are you, Brian, are you ready to be an ape man? Yes, sir. All right, let's see how this turns out. So we're going to cover the original Planet of the Apes from 1968, as well as the brand new war for the Planet of the Apes.

Start out with 1968 classic Planet of the Apes. It's directed by Franklin J. Schaffner. And he was also known for Patton, as well as the boys from Brazil. Kevin, have you seen the boys from Brazil? A long time ago. An awesome movie, though, from what I remember. Oh, man, it's a trippy movie, dude. It's basically a plot.

It's like in the 1960s or early 70s, and the entire plot is that they're trying to basically create a bunch of baby Hitler's. So they breed all these women with basically clones of Adolf Hitler to take over the world. Crazy, crazy movie. The writers of this were Rod Serling, of course, of the Twilight Zone fame, and also Michael Wilson,

who was also known for Bridge on the River Kwai and Lawrence of Arabia. Now, this was based on a novel by Pierre Boulet. Anybody ever read the original Planet of the Apes novel? Nope. Nope. Yeah, the writer, Pierre Boulaye, I hope I'm pronouncing that right.

I don't think we have any listeners in France, although we have some in Canada, so I think somebody will correct me, if I'm wrong. But he actually said that was his worst novel ever. I guess he was pretty prolific and had written quite a few books, and he said this was the one he was least happy with. But who knew?

During breaks in filming, actors made up as different ape species tended to hang out together. So you had actors dressed up as gorillas that would hang out with other actors dressed up as gorillas, orangutans with orangutons, chimps with chumps, etc. It was just kind of naturally happened. And all the ape actors and extras were required to wear their masks, even during these breaks. And also in between shots, because it took so damn long for them to do the makeup. Because of this, most of the meals were liquefied and drunk through straws.

So you're kind of a weird, interesting social phenomenon here. And in the original script, the female native humans were all bare-breasted. Probably would have made Philip happy. This idea was quashed by Fox to appease sensors. And do you guys remember the famous line, Take your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape? that was the best line of a movie well you're not you're not in the minority sir

because it was voted as number 66 of most famous movie quotes by the american film institute so as usual kevin our our fine guest would you like to to get the talk going yeah this movie is fucking awesome

I mean I love it I saw it back in back in the day when I was a kid there was after school it was called the 330 movie that came on. Now wait a minute. You sure you're not talking about detention? Oh, no.

Okay, so this wasn't the NAS Breakfast Club. Yeah. My dad told me about this movie, and then it came on, so I watched it. Actually, all, I think the first three movies came on, not in a row, like throughout the week. But I watched this one, and I was blown away. I was kind of young when I first saw it, so I really didn't get what was going on until I got older. But this movie is just, it's a timeless classic.

I mean, for what it was and all the practical effects, I mean, especially for the 60s, and I'm sure it was L to be in that makeup for all the main actors. And because you could tell, I mean, even when they have some of the crowd shots, you can see some of the background apes or chimpanzee are just like have masks on it and it doesn't it doesn't look as awesome as the the front runners of the each scene but right um this movie it blew my mind i mean especially at the end i mean everybody knows the ending but it was it was just such an amazing film and and i loved it i mean um this first movie i seen with charlton Heston and had no idea who Roddy McDowell or Kim Hunter were and didn't even know what they

looked like until later on when I was older. But all the characters in this were awesome. The guerrillas were my favorite because I just loved how brutal they were. And I don't know, I was talking about it today because my buddy, we were talking about war for the planet of apes. and he was kind of like, why were the apes all dumb and the original and the orangutans were the brain were the wise men and all that? Right. Chimpanzees were the scientists and doctors and everything.

But, and he also kind of made up a thing. He was like, he goes, did you see the, it was kind of a racist type of thing? And I was like, implanted the apes? And he was like, yeah, he goes. he goes, why were the orangutans, which were the lighters for apes? Why were they smart? And the guerrillas were dark and dumb. Huh.

I never thought about that. I was like, I don't know. They were pretty blatant about most of their political stances on stuff. And no, I didn't catch the racism thing at all. I didn't either. I was like, what? And he was like, yeah, because did you notice that? Now I do, but at the time, no.

But this movie is awesome, and I loved it. I mean, just the effects, I loved how, I think the thing that I loved the most in this were the guns that the guerrillas have. Yeah, right. My buddy, he made one. He made one of the rifles and he made one of the pistols. He's pretty good with whittling wood, and he's a huge fan of the age fan. Yeah, I asked him, I said, how the hell? At first I thought he bought it.

I was like, where'd you buy this? though I made it, he said he took like still shots of the movie and kind of made the body then he found pictures online and everything and made it look pretty legit man, but this movie is

awesome and I loved it. Yeah, I definitely caught all the racism for sure. Yeah, I mean and then, you know, we were talking about a trivia. That's why I picked those couple of trivia items out because I think it was kind of interesting socially to think that the

same types would hang out with the same types. Right. You know what I mean? It's like it's kind of like a prison experiment or something like that, you know, where if you're allowed to go in a certain way, you kind of go overboard in that certain way. And I did know, I noticed that anytime you can get together with like-minded people, you can throw, overthrow people that are different from you. If enough of you get together and, you know, and Kevin, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know about, with some talks we've had before, you know? So, you know, there's all kinds of fucked up shit that's going on.

But I take it a step beyond that, and, you know, we're talking apes literally. And, of course, you know, maybe I'm a little different because my mom is a huge animal rights activist. And she actually does docks in rescue and all kinds of dog rescue and stuff like that. But there's actually animal rights issues that are in this as well. Oh, yeah, definitely. It's like the tables completely turned. So not only do we fuck each other up as a species, but we fuck other species up, you know?

And, of course, religion all over the place. Well, religion all over the place, especially when you get to, like, the government that the apes had. It was very secular or non-secular based. It was very religious, you know? They were bold in time period. I'll tell you what. The movie had a lot to say,

but what I take away from it, of course, besides that beautiful twist ending, that would have put M. Knight to shame, you know, he would have fucking died to have been able to come up with an ending, like that. But I do take away a lot of animal rights issues from this as well as just the

you know, the basic, you know, racism and the way we treat other people or types or classes that are different from us. Right. The movie had a lot to say. It did. Brian, had you seen this before now or what? Oh, I've seen it many times. This movie's awesome. I mean, this movie's so

ingrained in pop culture. I mean, of course, no, I'm not trying to get away from the movie, but you got that scene in Space Falls where they they parody the end of the of this movie. And then of course, you got the Dr. Zayas song from The Simpsons.

Dr. Zazias, Dr. Zias. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen this movie many times. Yeah. And, you know, I've seen this movie many times. You know, for me, it's a movie I can put on and I can watch and it never gets old.

Everybody was fantastic in it. Yeah. This latest viewing, though, I never really realized how much of an asshole Charles and Heston is in this movie? It was right from the get-go. Right? I mean, who put this guy in charge of this mission?

Yeah, that's a good point. Hey, he was the stranger in a strange land, dude. I mean, of course he's going to act weird. Iron Maiden. He's Moses. He parted the Red Sea for crying out loud, right? What was the mission initially? Exploration, wasn't it?

Yeah, but I think that they, if I remember right, they lost connection like very early on in the mission. Right. And we're kind of lost for a long fucking...

Okay, because I was confused watching it this latest viewing because it almost seemed like they were colonists. Because they said... I never got that vibe. Because they said the one chick was their Eve. The one that died.

Oh, yeah, that's a good point, though. I hadn't thought about that. Yeah, you... What were they going to do a triple teamer? That's what I'm saying. So was everybody going to bang her? That was the implication that they gave. There's another porn hub reference.

I can't even think of the... This show's off the tracks. I can't even think of the character's name. But yeah, that's where it got me confused because he had said that that was their Eve. That's a good point. And I was like, so three Adams and one Eve. Wow, I never got that.

I'm... Damn, I got to go watch this movie yet again, I guess. But everybody was great. It would change up the gene pool and start a new Iron Throne. Right? Yeah. Besides that, everybody was great. You know, the makeup effects were great themselves.

The actress who played Nova is fucking gorgeous. Right? Oh. Is there Linda Harrison? Oh, my God. Gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah, old school beauty there, huh?

Boy, she puts Kim Kardashian to shame. That's not hard to do. I would have rather saw her butt than Charlton Heston's in this one. Oh, also true, I guess. Yeah, there was a lot of man ass in this movie. Well. Immediately, immediately, like, in the first ten minutes of the movie. Yeah, too bad they didn't do the version.

We talked about in trivia they were going to do with all the topless women running around. Oh, that would have made more sense. I had a, I, this, here's a question. the Novas people Right The whole caveman tribe Why Why did they all have the same

Colored hair They all had black hair There wasn't one that was Blonde or Whatever It was just Everyone was the same I didn't understand

That's a good point I'm sure they didn't want to go into that Maybe a budget issue or something like that I have a lot of questions about the world in general because in in in in all of the planet of the apes movies we see you know this this this lone little you know section of the world right is that yeah what else is going all the people that's there i mean are there more i mean they got to tell a story yeah you know you can't go too far out you know what i mean well like the walk you get those motherfuckers didn't leave

atlanta until the third season and and it confuses me up into the the latest movie that we watch but I'll talk about that more in spoilers. That was that really quick with the new movie this one kind of or that new movie kind of reminded me a little bit of this one but we'll get to that later.

Yeah there was a lot of nods to this one. Yes definitely which was cool okay also through your timeline off a little bit but that's cool. They're like redoing yeah I think it was more little nods more than like throwing

your timeline off but uh no I think this is definitely a classic if you've never seen Planet of the Apes the original go fucking see it what's wrong with you this is definitely on a must watch list of movies period I think it was great

man even even on rewatch man they had a whole lot of political stuff to say and they were very bold about it and I kind of wonder about how they got away with it back in that in that timeframe. Kind of like Star Trek, right? The original Star Trek series.

Yeah, but I mean, I think that they were very blatant about the, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the religion versus science kind of aspect and, and things like that. And, uh, I, I, I don't know, I think it was, I think it was a great movie. I really enjoyed watching it on the rewatch again, and I'm, you know, seen a hundred times, but, uh, still great to go back and watch it. I, I, I paid money to watch this one. How about that? Yeah.

I can see this as being a big one on Seth McFarlane's list, Kevin. What do you think? Knowing what we know about him and what he's into and the interest he has. Have there been a lot of references on the family guy and shows like that to this movie? Geez, I'm sure there has been. I could just picture him being a big fan of this. Well, just because it's a classic movie. I mean, you know, it does have a lot of political shit to say,

but I mean it is a classic fucking like staple science fiction movie you know i i think the the whole um original planet of the ape series is really political and there's a lot of uh social commentary behind each each episode uh each movie um because even like like with the religious type of thing how they were the little churches they had or even uh i want to say it was in the second one beneath the planet of the apes when the gorillas were leading that army into the to the forbidden zone

because they they heard there was humans over there. They had protesters. The younger generation, they had the little picket signs and they were all out there protesting the war. I mean, it was kind of like an evolution of stuff. I mean,

they were all apes, but they took all the stuff that were protesting now with the war and political stuff and things against religion, or even in conquest of the planet of the apes, that one was focusing on the whole slavery issue. And that movie is really deep. That's my favorite one out of the whole of the series.

Right. That movie was amazing. I mean, just for what it was. for what it was and the the message that it had behind it I mean it was pretty it was pretty pretty bold uh in

in that one I mean just with the whole um at that time in the 70s when conquest came out uh there was a like there was like riots and battles with police with the the black community fighting with the police and they were saying when this when that when that movie

came out uh they were kind of like, can you guys hold off and not put this movie out yet? Because all the stuff that was going on in the world at that time, it was too close. Too close to home, huh? 20th Century Fox said, no, we're putting it out because we have something to say. And they put it out. Damn.

Good. Well, shit, they had the balls to do it. Because fuck you. What do you think about the other movies, Brian? Knowing you, you're such a completest. I've seen them. Any other week, I'd say you probably went through all of them, but knowing how busy you've been,

you probably did reply to him this week, right? You know what? I'm not sure if I've seen them all. The last one I've seen was the one when, are they like in our time, our timeline or something? Which one was that? That was conquest. Okay.

That's the one that deals with slavery, right? Yeah, well, the one when they came, when Zira and Cornelius, when they came back, When they went back in time, that was escaped from the planet of the apes. And then I can't remember how many years after that was Conquest. I think Conquest took place in the 90s, I think, if I can remember right. Okay. They actually said it was in the 90s then, huh?

I think so. I can't remember. I know I just watched it, but. No, that's close enough. I mean, we've got an idea that it's kind of like mirroring our own timeline. Have you ever checked out the cartoon series? Um, yeah, I did. I didn't either.

It was, it was, it was what it was. I mean, it was cool just to see. That's not a ringing endorsement. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't, you can only do so much. It wasn't the next to The Simpsons, huh? No, I mean, they tried to make it kind of like the movie, but it was, it was too deep of a cartoon for little kids. That's what I thought. I mean, there's episodes of it.

There's episodes of it on YouTube. So if no one hasn't seen it. They also came out with a TV show. I do remember that vaguely. That was all right. I mean, it was basically the same thing, but in TV form, astronauts come from the past into the future and land with the apes. And it was adventure every week.

I mean, the TV show was, it was okay. It wasn't like the movies, but the only one from the movie, basically, was Roddy McDowell and he was what he was in that too. I just, I wish I had had more time this week to watch the rest of the movies. Yeah, that would have been cool. We got to catch us sometime. Maybe we'll do a retrospective or something.

Yeah, right. Great, great, great film, though. Yeah. This is a powerhouse, guys. You think about it started in 1968. That was a long time ago. You know how I know that? That was the year I was.

That was the year I was born. What? 1968, Kevin. I wasn't born yet. Yeah, way before you guys were even a sperm sale. I was walking this earth in 1968. There's another porno preference. We're on roll back.

Oh, man. I don't even mean for it to be, but all right, you guys ready for ratings or what? Yeah. Kevin, you had something to say? Oh, speaking of retrospective on this, I am going to do one on my show with my buddy Mike. We're going to talk all the movies. We're going to talk about the three new ones and TV show and the cartoon. Oh, wow.

I don't have all my notes. Magnus. I didn't have all my notes in front of me or I would just spit out some more. But, yeah, look forward to that. And I'm going to re-I just re-watched them all like a couple months ago. now I'm going to rewatch them all again so I get my mind fresh but I give this

movie I give this a 10 straight cross because it's a classic and it was an amazing movie is this in Witchboard Territory man or what? Oh yeah it's like right under it's right under oh Apes is above which board but which board is right there

but speaking of which board that director is going to be at the Sinister Creature Con in October and I'm going to go there and I have going to talk to him and hopefully get some words with a quick little interview. Whatever it takes, you need

to make that happen. If you can get a sound bite that says like fuck the horror returns or something like that. No, fuck you, man. Don't do that. Don't do that shit. I don't want to get in any fucking gang warfare here. I'm going to go to him. I'm going to say, I love your movie, but my

brothers ate it. These assholes. Actually, it'd be funny as hell. I just want to get a sound bite because they're a bunch of dicks. I love it. All right, shit, 10 on 10. I don't know how we can do much better than that. A fucking 10. Were you next, Philip, or was that, did I go next?

I think I chimed in right after Kevin, right? Sure. I mean, this movie, like I said, it reminds me not only of human rights, but animal rights, and the way that it was filmed is extremely well done. Yes, was there some overacting from Charlton Heston? Of course. Shit. You know, were some of the costumes cheesy, with some of the makeup cheesy?

Come on, 1968. As we've established a long time ago, right? That's some old shit right there. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, no, but I do remember, Kevin, something you said resonated with me, that you said you saw this with your dad, or your dad turned out of this movie. Yeah, he was the worst. Same here, dude. Same here, man.

And I've lost my dad. So, you know, a little bit extra special because I do remember when I came to live with him, I think it was like my freshman year in high school. I was having some problems back at home in Georgetown. I came to live with him in Marble Falls for a year to try to get away from all that trouble. And one of the first things, we always, our thing was we always used to go to the video, VHS video rental store every Friday night. And I remember this is one of the first movies we rented. He said, have you ever seen this?

And I said, Planet of the Apes, that looks dumb, Dad, you know, or whack or whatever you would have said back in. And he said, no, no, no. Oh, gee Willikers. Yeah, exactly. And he said, no, no, no, you're going to enjoy it. Trust me, you're going to enjoy this. I said, okay, I'll give it a chance. And, yeah, ever since then, this movie's had a special place in my heart.

So I'll give it a good, a good solid nine on ten forever. That's a great movie. great movie. Yeah. I guess that's me or Brian, did you go next? Yeah, I'll go. You guys pretty much said everything.

This movie is a classic, and I'm going to give it 9.5 man on eight makeout sessions. What? That was fucking weird at the end. But it was so that I'm ugly. That's... That kiss lasted a little too long.

A little too long. Yeah. Like, yeah, and then she was like, but you're so ugly. But you're so ugly. Corn Hub moment number 43. We're going to have to change the theme of this podcast if we're not careful. But, yeah, nine and a half out of ten for me. This movie is a classic, great rewatchability.

Awesome. Yeah, man, I'm right there with you. say nine and a half. I think it's a, uh, yeah, is it, is it the perfect movie? No. But I think that they said some really kick-ass things in it, and I think that it was definitely classic. And if

everybody should see this movie, it is a must watch if you are a human being, or an ape. Or an ape. Okay, cool. All right, so we're move on to our big movie of the week. And, of course, that's Warfla, uh, Planet of the Apes.

Directed by Matt Reeves, I think a lot of us like a lot of the stuff that he's done. Cloverfield, of course, he did the Planet of the Apes movie before this one, but he also did the American remake of Let the Right One in called Let Me In, which is one of my personal favorites. Good movie. Very good movie. Yes, totally agreed. It was written by Matt as well as Mark Bomback.

And apparently those two collaborated on the Dawn movie as well. Okay. Yeah. Matt Reeves is also doing the new Batman movie. Yeah. If it ever gets made, right? Yeah. I believe so, because they bumped Ben Affleck out of writing the script.

All right. That makes me mad. But we're not going to get into that right now. We'll see how it goes. He's a Academy Award winner. He can write it. I hope Affleck throws him off the edge of a building. He says, I'm Batman.

Oh, man. Goes Joker on him, huh? According to director Matt Reeves and Kevin, you ought to enjoy this one, man, because you were talking about the other old school movies. The name of the group of rebelling humans are the Alpha and Omega. And this is a reference to the bomb that the mutants worshipped in beneath the planet of the apes.

Actually, the logo that you can see on their helmets and flag matches the original logo on the bomb. Did you notice that, Kevin? Yeah, I did. I think it came to me when I saw it on that gorilla. I was like, because I know I saw it on them and I was like, okay, whatever. But then later, yeah, when it was on him, I was like, oh, shit, that's the thing that was on the bomb. But yeah, that was pretty sweet.

I did like that. Pretty cool callback, huh? Yeah, I got a little something to say about that later. All right, well, this is the third time that Steve's, Zahn has played a talking animal. Zon previously played Monty the Cat in the Stuart Little films. He played Archie the Bear

and Dr. Doolittle, too. And in this film, he plays a chimpanzee named Bad Ape. I see it was funny. In October 2016, it was announced that a fourth film is already being planned. So this is one, guys, I'm going to kind of sit back. I might step out of the room when you get the spoilers and ask you to message me because I did not get a chance to see this one.

Oh, you're fired. So, as usual, Kevin, as our esteemed guest, the choice is yours. Do you choose to speak first or pass the baton? It's up to you, man. Yeah, I'll go. Before you start, I have a question. He says there's supposed to be another planet of the apes movie. I thought it was just a trilogy.

They've already approved a fourth one. In this same universe. That's what it says in the trivia. Okay, cool. We'll see what happens, right? Are you telling me they blew up the entire planet with nuclear bomb? Well, no, I was just, I thought that was it. Huh.

All right. All right, maybe I will stick around for spoilers. Continue. Because I'm going to see this movie no matter what, because I love the first two so much. Yeah. You guys have had it, Kevin. I liked it. I didn't, out of these three, I thought the second one was the best one.

And, well, I don't want to spoil it already right out of the gate. But I'll get to that. I'll get to it later. I mean, it was good. A bad ape was my favorite character in it. Yeah. When he popped onto the screen and he was just cool little eight, especially when he got his little, his vest and his beanie.

I thought he looked awesome. Great. But this was cool. I mean, I loved how this movie was. There was a lot of references to some of the original series. I want to say there was a reference to the original one, the beneath with the Omega and Alpha. There was also references to battle for the planet of the apes, the very last one in the original series. and and I just

I loved it I mean it even had conquest a little bit in there with the the eight the sellout apes that were that were helping them out

and everything yeah these bitch ass motherfuckers yeah I mean it was it's I don't want to do it yet

because we'll get when we get to spoilers man but I mean this movie was good it was awesome I love what's Smigel's name

um so um anti circus yeah I mean I love I just love him he did the voice too didn't he

I think he did I think they might have altered it a little bit but I think that's him okay um I just love his body his body work

I mean because it was all him in a green suit oh I remember in the very first one and rise I was kind of ify on the whole CGI

apes and everything. But in this one, I didn't even I didn't even notice it. I mean, it was, yeah, all the apes were CGI and everything, but I thought they did such an awesome job. Right.

There's a close-up scene on the orangutan. I can't remember his name. I mean, the CGI was so good. You can he just see the little hairs on his face. And the guerrillas looked like

Caesar, I was kind of iffy on how he looked, but the gorillas and the orangutans, they looked amazing. Whoever did the CGI work, man, I mean, to give them a raise because it was awesome. Absolutely. So a little better than y'all thought about one of my favorite movies in the year, Alien and Covenant?

A step up from that, is that what you're saying? Well, I'll say the mummy was better than Alien Covenant. you fucking Ouch Kick me in the nuts Why don't you dude Fuck No but I told you agree with you with the CGI man

There was a there was a scene with a With a gorilla And it was laying there And yeah There was like this You could see the eyelashes Coming down across the eye And it was I mean it was

Super fucking detailed It was great They were on point With the ZGI I liked At first when Woody Harrison went out when they announced that he was in this

I was kind of like okay whatever but I mean once his character got going and what his plan was I was right on board with Woody Harrelson

I was kind of shocked I went into this movie not thinking he was going to be very good but his character man he can be that that ballsy killer that the look he had in his eyes

especially he looked really badass when they went into the apes' little secret under the waterfall. That was definitely when he looked the coolest. Yeah. Yeah, when he turned around and saw him. You can almost say he was a natural-born killer, huh? There you go.

I love what he else in there. But, yeah, I mean, the whole movie was good. I did like the story. And like I said, all the references to the past movies and everything was cool. I want to say, yeah, that was it. I mean, the story, I liked what they were doing, but then there was times in the movie where it was dragging. Yeah. I think it was more kind of in the middle.

It started to drag on what was going on. And I loved how Caesar, how he was from the beginning and in the second movie and in this one, I mean, they even references because he was starting to get ballsy and be a little more brutal. and one of the apes told him that, hey, you're acting like Coba, the bad ape from the last one. And you could see that through him, but, I mean, there's reasons why he was doing all this. So I was okay with it. But yeah, some of it got a little boring. But, I mean, overall, it was a good movie, and I really enjoyed it. I have more to say when we get to spoilers.

Cool. Brian? Yeah, I'm right there with you. I had a lot of fun with this movie. Andy Circus, he, he's continuing to make this argument that people that do motion capture should be nominated for like higher awards than what they are now. Because he, the, you catch every emotion, even though he's a CGI. A, you see it all in his face.

And it is fucking fantastic. And Kevin, I was, movie is. Yeah, Kevin, I was right there with you with Woody Harrelson when I heard about him in this movie. And the couple shots I seen in him in the trailer was not really buying him as a villain

until, like you said, until he got going and you got some of his backstory. And then I was like, fuck this guy. This guy. Because you get a totally different villain from who was in the last one.

Gary Oldman. Right. Yeah. Yeah, and Steve Zon, he did a fantastic job. I think I might think, I think Bad 8 was probably my favorite, too. Because he was hilarious and a lot of callbacks. And this is definitely, this is another movie I want to get to spoilers because there's just a lot of things I want to talk about. That was amazing. But it did drag there in the middle, though.

but once it picked back up it was back into full gear so um great movie yeah i i'll pretty much agree with about everything that you said um i may have another favorite character uh but i don't know if we can get to her until later uh because i don't want to ruin anything but uh

i i do think it was really fucking long uh and part of what messed up my movie experience was there was these two jackass motherfuckers that were just hanging out and talking to each other the whole goddamn time right next to me like towards the end of the movie I had to like lean forward take off my 3D glasses and stare at them

to make them fucking stop talking all right hold on hold on slow down Jack Falvey, loyal listener. If you're listening to this, here comes a rant that's going to be worthy of your bullshit.

When you fucking talk about Get Out, when you went to see Get Out. Public Service announcement. Don't fucking talk during the movie, man. If you want to hang out with your buddy and fucking have a conversation, rent a shit. Yeah, wait for it until later.

Anyway, so that really threw me off my fucking game. And I'm not super confrontation. so for me to like stare them down like I was about to rip their fucking guts out I was like please pull out a phone so I can throw it across this fucking

theater anyways aside from that act like you've been to a fucking movie before my six year old and my four year old can go to a movie better than that anyway how was the 3D

that's the same man yeah yeah yeah it was 3D the 3D was cool I actually really enjoyed it. I thought the the CGI didn't take me out of anything.

It was great. The, I kind of loved everything that they did. I just wish they to cut like, yeah, I had 30 minutes

out of the movie, you know? Gotcha. And I think that they had plenty of room to do that. Even though I don't mind a slow burn kind of story,

I feel like it was just like by the end of it, I was like, all right, I'm getting kind of restless and we get this thing over with. Kind of like Kevin was feeling about 30 minutes into Transformers, right, Kevin? But still,

still an amazing movie, an amazing trilogy. They made you think about things not as much as the original stuff. Like, it wasn't as... No, no, not even close to as political or thought-provoking or any of that. More of a... Action. Entertainment Blockbuster movie, right? But the whole trilogy was pretty amazing for a remake.

And I was very impressed with every bit of it, including this one. Cool. You boys ready to give your scores before we move on? Let's do it. Yep. Kevin? Yeah. I would give it an eight.

I mean, I really enjoyed it. Good score, man. And I liked how from where it began in the first movie and how it ended. here. Right. But even in this movie, man, I loved, I mean, like I said, all the characters were awesome. And just mainly bad ape, Steve Zahn, if you're listening, bro, man. I love you and everything you've done, man. But this, this, this role you did was amazing. He was funny. And then, see my dumbass crowd in that whole theater, I was so mad at him the whole time. Because every time he said something funny and I was like expecting the whole theater to crack up. Right. And

nobody laughed and I was like man fuck you guys were they on their cell phone? I don't know huh yeah this movie's awesome I love it I definitely gonna see it again

all right good endorsement man who is it my turn next yeah I guess it is man I will give it an 8.5 I thought this was a great close out to a trilogy I also didn't know

that this was green lit for a fourth one well I mean that's what I read So, you know, trivia can be wrong sometimes. Fantastic performances all around. And I will say I did get a little emotional a couple times. There was emotions going through this movie. Yeah. Definitely recommend this.

And they did that on purpose, man. There's a lot of, and it's ape emotion. Like, they zoom in real hard on Caesar's eyes a few times. And he sells it, huh? Yeah. You can actually see how he's feeling. There's a lot of things, man. There's a lot of things that will make you feel.

That wasn't even a scene I got emotional with that had to do with another ape. I kind of tugged in my heartstrings. Bad ape, bad ape. Oh, I got to ask you later. Okay, yeah, we'll get to it. That'll be the first thing we talk about in spoilers. And I'll go fast because I want to hear it. I'm going to give an 8.5 also.

Very good. Yeah, I think it was a great movie. I think the whole trilogy was amazing, even though apparently it's not a trilogy, because they're coming out with none of them. Which is cool. I'm down with that. I think that I'm perfectly okay with them explaining a little bit more.

And it'll probably be a little slower burn. I feel like this one was not as action-packed as I thought it was going to be. Really? I would have thought this would have been super action-packed. Right. And it really wasn't. There was a lot of kind of slow...

I want to know more about the story of the little girl. Yeah. Was she patient zero or what? She was... We need to wait for spoilers to that. We got to wait. Okay. We'll talk about that.

She was in the movie. Yeah. Cool. And so I think that they answered a lot of questions, which is what I was talking about with the Rogue One thing. You know what I mean? Right. Like, they didn't leave it off right. They did it right.

Yeah. They didn't leave it off right where the original planet of the apes began. but they at least answered enough questions where they could. They could just, bam, and then they're done with it. You'd be good to go. If you've stopped this and picked up the 68 went right after it? Yeah. And some of the nods to the original Planet of the Apes,

as far as like the names of people, I think are maybe slightly confusing because they're nods, but it's supposed to be 2,000 years later, you know? Dr. Zezas. Right. so aside from that I think it was great man I really enjoyed it except those

damn jacked off millennial motherfuckers that I was fixing them whoop their ass no it wasn't I was just getting really internally mad and not saying anything because I'm keeping it all inside Kevin Kevin let me ask you man since you're our guest when you're at a movie theater

and you got people next to you acting the fool, so to speak. What do you do, man? Do you give them a dirty look? Do you talk to management? Do you just sit there and assume? Out loud. Is that what you did? And they continued to go and I finally took off my glasses and looked at them.

And then they stopped. Where are we going on? Well, no shit. Sorry, Jacket. The old, the old 80s me, I had to look up on a few fools a few times. my day. I think the last time that I did as I went and seen this, that movie, Grandma's Boy, it was me and my brother. That was a great movie. I love that movie. Yeah. I think this is the last time that I had raised up on someone. It was my, it was me and my brother. We were sitting there

watching a movie. Awesome movie. If any of you listeners having this evening stop right now, go watch Grandma's Boy. Fuck yeah. It's right up there with Planet of the Apes. Go see it. That's a happy, happy Madison movie, right? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, there was these three teenage boys, man. I can usually tune out people that are talking because when my little guys, when you take them to the movies, all these kid movies, every kid in their mothers and there's yapping. So I kind of learned how to tune that out. But these guys, I was okay with them talking. It was all right because I was talking to my brother, too, since those assholes behind me were being loud. But when they started shooting rubber bands at the screen. What? What? Yes. I let the first one...

Oh, and by the way, you're adding to the problem, that doesn't mean you can talk to, Kev. Come on. I let... There was only five of us in the theater, so I was all right. It wasn't like there was a full theater. But I was letting the talking go by, but when the things started flying at the screen, I was like, oh, man, I was getting mad. But when the movie was over, we got up and we were walking out. my brother-in-law was right there.

We walked out and we walked right past him because they were still sitting there talking and I was like, you know what, fuck this. I walked back in there and my brother-in-law, he's like over six feet tall and he was right behind me. And I walked up to those, they must have been 16, 17 maybe.

I said, hey, hey, you guys, look. I leaned over in front of them and I said, if you ever see me at another movie theater, don't come into that theater again. And they like just looked at me and went, okay, sir. When they called me, sir, I felt old. But I was like, I said, I said, I said, that's not cool shooting things at the screen.

I said, you don't know how much these things cost. And I'm sure they cost more than everything, your whole house. And I was just, I was going off. But I was like, I was like, oh, man. And that was, I didn't, I didn't cuss. I didn't raise my voice. But I was just like real, real, real. real like in that voice look i ain't playing so but they're like i almost i almost went you know what

how much money do you guys got pay for my movie because you guys ruined it by doing things at the screen but those dudes are lucky i wasn't like drunk like they didn't want to see drunk philip much less black philip right right black philip they would have lived deliciously right what about i can get all in your way what about you brian what's it like like in a basket. No, and then not only that, but they left their, I'm sorry. Hold on. Not only that, but they left all their trash and shit behind because they can't clean up after

their cells because they're a bunch of jack-offs. Wow. I hate that. Rough, man. Anybody, don't matter how old you are. When you get up and you leave the theater, bring your stuff with you. It's not that fucking hard. You know what?

I got a confession to make. I used to always leave my shit in the theater, but when I married my current wife, she fucking set me straight. she said, what fuck you didn't leaving your goddamn trash in your popcorn bucket there? I said, that's what they pay people to come and clean up. I said, do you want them to be out of a job? She said, uh-uh, no, that's disrespectful.

Take that shit up, throw it in the fucking trash can on our way out and, you know, move on. There are people in the welfare line that say, well, the only reason they got a job is because we're here. And that's as far politically as I'll get. All right, all right. All right, Brian, Brian, what is what is the movie theater experience in Alaska? Everything you guys are saying, you probably might want to avoid late showings here in Alaska. I was going to say, no midnight show.

Midnight, you mean like Rocky Horror Picture Show and Pink Floyd the Wall, that kind of midnight shit? The last, the last time I got was actually a movie we reviewed that I'm lucky that we had, we actually had audio problems that one and we had to redo it. was the last Ouija movie, Ouija or whatever. Oh, right. Origin of evil. Yeah, because I...

I... I have to be confused with Witchboard, right? Hey. Yeah. Yeah, I'll try to keep it. I try to keep it calm nowadays. Also, my wife keeps me in line. There's a lot of times

where she's kind of reeled me back in. Try to, you know, tell me those are just kids. Right. And you learn respect. Don't kill them. Sometimes it's hard to know where to draw the line. Don't hurt them.

It's tough for me to look at a little kid like that's kicking my seat or something like that and say something to the kid directly. But every once in a while I will say something like to the parent. Yeah. You know, like if a parent's sitting next to him like, hey, do you mind, you know, asking your kid not to kick my seat? But it's kind of hard to turn around and like it's a seven or eight-year-old kid. and say, hey, little motherfucker, you know? Speaking of the kids,

speaking to kids, back when I was younger and I went to, I've never forgot this. I was watching, I don't know, some horror movie or something. And somebody, this, this, even today, this pisses me off when people bring their babies to movies. Yes.

Somebody, their little baby just made out a little cry for maybe a couple seconds, but somebody on the other side of the theater went, shut that goddamn baby up. I'm like, leave your baby's at home. Don't go there.

It won't happen as long as you don't go there. Or know your baby. I took my oldest to the movie theater and he was great. The younger one? Nope. Not so much. No, nope, nope. Never tried it.

I already knew. All right. Well, where do we go, boys? Spoiler! Whatever happens is a motherfucking spoiler. Spoiler. Spoiler. Okay.

Up in this motherfucking bit. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. All right.

Who's dying to go first here? Okay. I think I was, I'm sorry. I think I'm going to bring up my emotional scene. Oh, yeah. It was something that I thought really just hit with me. I don't know why. Because Caesar was always talking about we're not savages, you know.

Right. We have compassion. And the scene with, I think the gorilla's name was Luca, where he actually did something nice with a little girl and gave her the flower. Oh. And that whole scene when he died. Yeah. And her emotion over him dying, that, I don't know. It just got me.

the one I was talking about with the, when the gorilla was laying there and he had the eyelashes coming down over his eyes and I thought that was really great CGI. And you could see the tears running down his face and you just have to tell you have to tell yourself, these are not

real gorillas. These are not real apes. And the expression on his face, you know, where he kind of smiled when the little girl was, you know, look at this movie out. It sounds like you guys are saying it was a cinematic masterpiece as far as the special

effect. It was pretty amazing, man. A lot better than Covenant, huh? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. The part that got me was when Caesar's wife and his son, I'm glad they didn't show it, because I'm sure

I would have instantly cried, but when they got killed, when he came into the little cave and he saw him laying there, I was just like, wow, my God. That was a great scene, too, because he didn't just immediately, was just angered. It was almost like he was just

like his body was paralyzed. Like he doesn't understand what's going. You know, he sees his family that dead. And then when he finally it just hits him, you know, and he just busts out to a full rage. Yeah.

I think he was definitely angered. I feel like even though it was necessary to move the story along, I felt like him letting those guys go while it showed some compassion

it also gave away their position which is maybe he shouldn't have done that I mean I know he's an 8 but he's a smart fucking 8th and that was a dumb fucking move and every time they they came up to something like that I was

I kind of yelled it out I was like kill him yeah yeah and then oh that guy got his later on the one he let go oh hell yeah that guy oh my my god, I was so fucking mad at that guy. The one with the crossbow? Yes.

Yeah, buddy, man. I really thought that he was going to come around and be not a dickhead. And sure enough. Yeah. But I felt every bit of emotion that Caesar had, man. Like, I was, I was, I was ready for him to just lay some fucking vengeance down, you know? And then we got, we got one of our nods here. Caesar's youngest son.

His name is Cornelius. Cornelius, yes. So, obviously not the Cornelius, correct? I mean, well, Lance is telling us, well, that was not that Cornelius, but maybe he's going to be something now that we're finding out. There's going to be a fourth movie. Right. This is, hold on before we go forward.

This is the reference that I got with the Caesar and Cornelius. In battle for the planet of the apes, Caesar had a son named Cornelius, and it wasn't the Cornelius we've seen in the original movie. Because in Battle for the Planet of the Apes, his son Cornelius, he got killed in that one. So I don't know if it was a reference towards that one, or is this thing going to be the Cornelius that we know? but I'm I'm kind of leaning more towards the battle for the planet of the apes Cornelius but who knows?

I mean we'll see like I knew that I heard I knew this was going to be a trilogy and now you guys are saying there's going to be a fourth one Right I can only see him going forward And being in being the main The main ape now would be Cornelius

I mean because Yeah Who else are we going to Who are they going to introduce to us Because we don't We don't know anyone else I mean a bad ape He definitely has to be in it.

But I've just, this is what I see. This is just, since I've heard you guys say there's going to be a part four, I just assume it's going to be this Cornelius is going to be the leader or the main focus on what's going on. Well, and along the same lines, I love that they named the little girl Nova. And I love it the way that they did that. But obviously, she can't be like the Nova. from the planet of the apes, correct? Yeah, I don't, I don't think so.

Unless they change the timeline, right? Or if there's like a grandmother or great-grandmother or something like that? I think they're just nods to the original. I think so, too. But I like that. It was cool. Yeah, I don't think any of this that we've seen so far is going to lead into the original series. This is all just pretty much a fresh start up to that.

But all the nods that were in this one, I thought. were awesome. I mean, what did you do that novel? Because they haven't actually evolved that far yet. What were you going to say, Brian? I was going to ask everybody, what did you guys think about basically the evolution of the Simeon flu, how it changed in this movie? I thought that was cool.

I thought it, I mean, it was a little bit of a cop out, but I'm okay with it because it explained it really well. You know, it's like, how did the, people, you know, from the original planet of the apes, get to be so, like, animal-like, and they couldn't speak. Ah, yes, I see what you're saying. Like, we were talking about it in the original 68 movie. Right.

The ones that were supposed to be topless women running around. Right. So they, they least... I could have gotten into that flu. They at least... Well, there you go. Born hub numbers, 27. They at least gave an answer to that, and, uh, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

I was okay with it. Sometimes the reaction speeds of it, I think, were... Unbelievable. Yeah. Like, far-fetched. It's like a zombie movie, you know, or sometimes it goes really fast and sometimes it goes really slow. I was a little confused, though, the effects, though.

Right. Really? Because when you get into the girl Nova, because when you first introduced her, introduced to her, her nose is bleeding. but when we're getting into Woody Harrison's character when he gets it he's full on

almost paralyzed and nose bleeding in he's also super drunk but his nose is breathing also maybe he fell on the he got in a drunk stupor and fell on the ground but he was still with it enough to shoot himself I didn't understand the whole

noseblead thing I mean when he flipped over and I saw I was like, okay, he turned to, he's, he can't talk now, but I was, I was, I didn't understand the whole blood thing. And the other thing I didn't understand about the effects. When Woody Harrelson was talking about it, he says basically, you know, we're losing the ability to speak and we're losing the ability to have higher thinking. Oh, humans are becoming dumb. Right. Yeah, but the girl, the girl, no.

We're the savages now. The character Maurice taught Nova sign language super quick. Right. Like she was, she almost, which I kind of didn't like, how she almost instantly learned basically their language, you know, sign language and everything. Yeah. There's a couple things I think you have to kind of get past to make this movie work. And that's probably one of them. Because they do teach this chick sign language super quick.

And they're supposed to be, that Sivian Flu is supposed to be making humans dumber and apes. smarter. So how would they pick it up that quickly? And so they found bad ape, the one they were talking about. Yeah, Steve Zahn's character. Right, right. And he's just this random ape from a zoo. He's like the missing link. Not so much.

He just, he had the same Simeon flu that all the other ones had. Right. And he doesn't know sign language during that shit. He knows how to speak because he watched the humans do it. And he's been hiding out for all these years. He's totally separate from the group that these people

were from. He was like a lone wolf. Which makes me curious. I gotta check the movie out. Yeah, which makes me... And he wears clothes. And he wears clothes. And he wears clothes. And you guys said a be a beanie or something like that? A retailer hat. Great comedic timing. Oh, that's got to be awesome.

Yeah, it was so funny. There were so many moments in this movie where, okay, a lot of them were the audience laugh, but there was a couple of them. Sure. Like, he holds the binoculars up to his face backwards. And he's like, oh no, why

so small? Nobody laughed. That sounds corny, that sounds corny. Fuck you guys. That was funny. That sounds corny. It was like in the hands of a great director, that should be funny. It was in the middle of a serious moment. I thought it was funny.

I think it's... I felt like my audience was just bad. Yeah, I think it's the way Steve Zon portrayed it. Yeah, because it was kind of cheesy, But when you watch it, you're, you know, you're chuckling along with it. Yeah, right. Because it's also his facial reaction, just the overall performance.

Right. Like, he can take like a cheesy little line and just make it funny. I think so, man. I don't know. That's what he was there for, comic relief. Comic relief. But he was a great character. I'm definitely looking forward to the movie.

I mean, you guys have told me a lot that's made me excited. Totally. What was the strongest? emotional feeling for you in the movie Kevin? What I said earlier is when Caesar rolled up and saw his wife in his son laying dead. That got me the most. But they didn't show the actual killing it. They just showed the aftermath.

Or those bitchy-ass traitors, the donkeys. Yeah. That may be mad every time. Yeah. Those guys pissed me off. I saw it in the trailer. They were trying to say brown skin, so they were being serviced. Those were Coba's. They used to follow Coba. Right. And now that he's gone, they know they can't go back to Caesar.

Sure. So they're working with the humans. And one of them did redeem himself at the end. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that Caesar throughout the whole thing, even as mad as he was, and even as much shit as he could not let go,

still showed some compassion. And he still, you know, as hard as it was, did the right thing. Because at the scene when Caesar rolls up on a Woody Harrelson's character, when he finds out that the flu took him over, he was ready to kill him. He took his gun. He basically stuck it to his head. Right. And he just, he couldn't do it.

As mad as he was and he knew this is the guy that killed my family, he still couldn't do it. I mean, you could just see him. You could see the rage that was building up to him throughout the whole movie. But when he came down to doing it, he just couldn't do it. I was in, I was like screaming, kill him. Yeah, he has, he has so much compassion because you also got the scene where he confronts the one ape, winter. So one that sold him out, sold their location out.

So, Brian, he was very human, in other words. Yeah, he, yes. More human than most humans. Yeah, because the scene with Winter, he, Winter's an ape, he's all white, he's with the original group, and then when Caesar's family gets killed, they realize he's the one that's missing,

he turned on them, and then when he finally finds him and confronts him, I mean, he ends up killing him, but it's accidentally, but you could see on his face, that's not what he meant to do, because, you know, they, you go back to the previous movies

when they always says, apes don't kill apes. Right. and it wants him afterwards when he does it. Yeah, because he's constantly... Even though this guy's a straight traitor and directly responsible for his family dying. And plus, uh,

Caesar's constantly seeing Coba in his dreams. Yeah. And Coba's always, you know, bringing up his mistakes and basically Coba, Coba in some ways is a part of him because there, there is a little bit of Cobra in Cesar. How can there not be? I mean,

with the way that they treat you and you're trying to start this revolution, you know? I mean, there's... Caesar is a better man than I ever would be. I think the biggest thing that pissed me off in this movie was the

were the sellout apes that were working with the soldiers. Because this took me to pass history of when the the soldiers were trying to take out all the Native Americans. And I kind of pictured it this way with this movie. The soldiers were trying to take out the apes.

And there was always sell out tribes that would help the soldiers hunt down all the other natives. So when they did that in this movie by getting the apes to help them hunt down all the other apes, man, that pissed me off. But it was powerful. and I liked what they were trying to do, trying to make the apes more human and everything. But that, just that whole scenario of them helping the bad guys, the soldiers to hunt down their own kind.

I was like, damn. I mean, I was... No mercy for me for that shit, man. I'm telling you. What would encourage them to do that, though? I mean, what kind of leverage did these fuckers have that would encourage them to... They thought they were going to lose the war.

they said it because one of the i can't remember which one of them i said it goes what are you guys getting out of helping oh wow short term short term gain uh in in and trading it trading that out for selling out the rest of humanity basically well they didn't think that they were gonna make it like the right they were gonna kill all the apes and so they were they were trying to say just they were taking a chance they were saving their own skin and they were basically trusted the devil They were saving their own skin. They were like, okay, well, I'm going to bet that the humans are probably going to wipe out the apes and I don't want to die. Yeah, and then can you go ahead.

Another thing that pissed me off was the title. War, war for the planet of the apes? The planet of the apes, right? Where was the, I thought it was going to be war from beginning and end. That's what I expected. I'm shocked. I'm shocked you guys are telling me that this wasn't a war movie. Yeah, because it really.

I expected it really was... It really wasn't a war between the apes because a part we didn't even talk about is the separate human faction that came in that really kicked off the end war at the end battle. That was a totally

different thing from Woody Harrison's little military group. Yeah. That's just in mind fuck you said you hadn't seen it yet. Yeah, because Woody Harrison wanted... That's cool. I mean, I'm

I'm actually glad I'm listening to all this because I am going to see the movie, but I'm kind of, I'm kind of shocked from what I'm hearing. Brian, I didn't think it was going to be like this, man. Yeah, it was more story-driven than action. Huh.

Yeah. In some ways, I kind of liked it like that. Because, like I said, for me, it got really emotional at times. And I don't,

I don't know, me personally, I don't know what it is about this, about this particular movie. I think I probably felt a little bit more, emotional at times throughout this movie than other movies that were supposed to be that way. Right. And I think it was, I think it was the storytelling.

Damn. And I, I mean, a lot of it was the CGI, man. They, they really did some up close shots on those apes face. Right. And like Caesar, you know, Caesar has, uh, has, has always talked pretty fluidly, ish. Yeah, but in the rest of the movies, like a scholar. But in this one, it was like a scholar.

But in this one, it was, was like after that first maybe 10 minutes of the movie he was like, bam, now he talks like a person who is determined and ready to do things right. Yeah, being logical about it.

What do you think, Kevin? What's the, what nailed it for you, man? I just, I think the whole emotional stuff that was going on in this one, compared to the first two.

Yeah, there was a little emotional stuff, but nothing to make you, like, tear up or anything. This one was real powerful on the emotion side. Right. But I... Not what I was expecting to hear at all. I wasn't even expecting that in this type of a movie, a series. Right. But, I mean, I think...

Their little girl had me a couple of times, man. Oh, she had me. Once she started crying, when the gorilla was dying, I was like, oh, Oh, my. That got me. That got me. The only movie that was really emotional in the original series was Escape from the Planet of the Apes. At the end of that one was one...

The one that dealt with slavery. No, that was the movie before. Oh, that was Conquest. Yeah. Escape from the Planet of the Apes was when Cornelius and Zira came back in time. Okay. And they were in, I think it was in the 70s. and that at the end of that

when they got murdered that was real emotional and now out of out of all the other movies that movie escaped from Planet of the Apes and war for the Planet of the Apes are the only two

out of all the eight movies we've had so far that put tears in my eyes because I was like oh my God this one was really strong but I was just the war part

I was expecting war from the beginning to end I think yeah I think the war was the war inside of Caesar of what he was fighting with

his emotions. That would make more sense. But that's not the way they build it. Oh no, I mean, it wasn't. I mean, because it started out awesome and with the soldiers in the woods and then when the apes attacked them. I thought that was awesome. Yeah, because it started out like saving Private Ryan style, man. Oh, no shit with explosions and everything? Yeah, it was pretty cool. Damn.

And that was maybe I was expecting, I would have been expecting to see. The final battle was actually not between the apes and the humans. It was humans against humans. And the apes were just caught in the middle. And they were just trying to escape. But that whole battle, that whole battle scene was awesome. That's where my question comes in. Are these the last apes on the fucking planet?

I mean, are there more? This is just one little area, right? Yeah, they actually did mention that. the movie. Bad Apes said it. He said there was other ones where he was from. Yeah. They all got killed.

Well, I think Maurice had said if there's others like bad ape or if there's something like Bad Ape around, is there other apes somewhere else in the world? Because they did drop that line. I believe so because it's airborne. The virus is airborne right now. and it's making all the humans dumb and making the ape smart in this part in America. I assume they're on the West Coast somewhere because it started in San Francisco.

Yeah, because who knows where the virus went? Because if you go to the James Franco movie, the guy that carried the virus was a pilot. Yeah. Well, I'm sure it's a global world. Yeah, and you run into the Statue of Liberty in the original. That whole series took place on the East Coast. Yeah. All right, guys.

Well, we got to probably wrap it up pretty soon. Do you have any final thoughts? You don't want to talk about on this one before we move on? No, everybody go watch this movie. It's an emotional ride. Yeah. And if somebody's talking, stand up and punch them in a face. Yeah.

and if the babies are crying, tell them to shut up. Slap, slap, Kevin. You throw the baby at the people. Oh, wow. Yeah, all right. Do you some battleship. Do you some battleship, the Timkin bullshit. That wasn't well-thought out.

Let the baby carriage go down the stairs and the old lady tries to catch it. I just, I legitimately thought I was like, oh, please pull out a cell phone because I'm going to pick it up and I'm going to throw it. Oh, wow. And then if I have to pay for it, it's going to be worth it because it's going to go viral and everybody's going to take my side because you're at that point all right fuck uh kevin we really appreciate you coming on the show with us man oh one more thing stay away from tim burton's planet of the apes

that movie was garbage oh shit hold on we had some trailers playing in the background here say that say that again Kevin I'm sorry man stay away from Tim Burton's planet of the apes that movie was garbage The 2001 movie?

Oh, I really, I really, I really wanted to, like, wait until Lance started talking about Charlton Heston and be like, wait, the NRA guy? I thought Mark was in this one. Yeah. Fuck, dude. It was a whole joke I had planned out that was going to be really stupid. Right. And I kind of wish I'd have done it. Never happened.

Maybe on the next show. Yeah, everyone go watch all the eight movies except for Tim Burns. You can do that. one out. All right. It wasn't awful. Kevin. Oh.

So we, we, I just watched it and it's horrible. Okay, maybe it's awful. We, uh, we try to, we try to keep the show to an hour and a half. We're at about two hours and 15 minutes here. That's how we roll. It's, uh, real quick, Kevin, shout out. Let everybody know where they can find you if they don't know already. Yeah, you guys can find, uh, the McNus podcast and the East Society podcast on iTunes

and a pod bean just look up skaternes podcast network both of the shows are on there if you have trouble finding them you can find me on facebook macnez podcast or e-society just type those in the search engine they'll pop up i always put new episodes on the horror returns page so you can find links there and yeah hey dudes thank you so much for for letting me come on dude it's i haven't been on in a while and it's it's always fun to talk to you guys And just, yeah. You're our honorary fourth member.

Yeah, that's an understatement, man. Yeah, a little bit. As far as our honorary fifth through 200th listener or whatever, that would be our loyal listeners that we want to thank for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and your ideas. That's what kind of shapes the show. You can reach us that the Horror Returns and you.

Gmail.com and follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Kevin, you've got a Twitter account or what? Yeah, it's McNezPod. I'm on there. Instagram is just McNez and MacNES podcasts on Facebook. Yeah, see, I don't keep up with any of that bullshit because I don't have time to, but Brian,

you got all the time in the world, brother. You're our social media, baby. man probably not but he's doing an awesome job he probably has to burn the candle at both ends I want to say that I appreciate you so much because there's no way I can't get to that shit I can't even answer my own goddamn punk as a fan of your show

and what Brian does is amazing he is on top of everything because sometimes I take some of the stuff that I see he posts and I throw it on mine because I'm too lazy to go look but did Brian you do an amazing job. Hell yeah, dude.

Thanks, brother. And every once in a while, like every other week or so, we get a witchboard article. Hell yeah. We'll put them on there just for you, Keff. All right, well, next week, we're going to talk about Valerian

and the city of a thousand planets. You're going to check that one out, Kevin? I think I heard you say, you don't have too much interest. Man, I saw the preview. It looks fucking cool. Dude, it looks badass, Kevin. I think it, yeah, I think it's going to be the best looking bad movie ever.

Yeah. A polished turd. I'll let you guys go see it. Theo's going to represent us on that one because I'm not going to see it. I'm going to go see Wishapon before I see that. I wanted to see Wishapon too. That's fair. I'll probably check it out as well.

But we're going to watch this one and also the Fifth Element. and we're probably going to be, I think we're going to be joined by a filmmaker Jack Saint. A filmmaker, guys. And he is the director and writer of Jack Hunter's paranoia tapes.

Hey, for real fucking dude. Have you heard of that, Kevin? We're like, no, I haven't. It's pretty fucked up, dude. I'll send you a way to check it out. You know what we charge? I think you'll enjoy it, man.

Fucking zero, ladies and gentlemen. This is all for you. All right. So, Kevin, until the horror returns again? Wait, one more thing. One last thing. I have to give a shout out because I told her I would. There's this movie called The Ice Cream Truck.

Oh, yeah, I heard about that. It doesn't come out until next month on VOD, and I think there's a small little limited release. Go look on YouTube, watch the trailer, Ice Cream Truck. It's a cool movie. I enjoyed it a lot. Yeah, that dude, and it looks really creepy. Uh, well, who's, who you, who you, who you promised to give us out?

Oh, awesome movie. When, uh, did you meet her or what? Um, no, I, Jesse sent me a screener. I watched it. I really enjoyed it and I just kind of, I found her on Instagram and I just shot her a line and told her I love the movie. And I said, I'd hype it up for her on the shows. And she's all right on thank you. So, awesome movie.

Where did you, where did you run into her, man? Uh, I just, I just messaged, messaged her on Instagram and she answered me. So, that was pretty cool. Guess who the delivery, the ice cream man himself is, boys? Huh?

Those of us who went to Texas Fright Mayor. Jeff Daniel Phillips. He didn't give us a fucking sounder though. He was a fucking asshole. No, he wasn't. He was super fucking funny. Actually, he was kind of an asshole, but he was a funny asshole.

He's not... You remember seeing him there, Kevin? Yeah, he was cool. I talked to him. He wasn't the, uh, The ice cream man, he was the delivery man. Oh, okay. Okay. So he wasn't the main baddie, huh? No, uh. Check out the ice cream truck, everybody, when it comes out.

It's a slow burn, but it's pretty good. Yeah, we'll check it out for sure. I kind of wanted to watch it anyway. Is it out now, or where can people see it? It's not out yet. Is it going to be a theatrical release, or do you know? She said maybe limited, but it's going to be on VOD August 18th. We got to check that out, huh?

Yeah. All right, so what were you saying, Kevin, until the horror returns again? Good night.