The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #63: Magic (1978) & Annabelle: Creation (2017) (Reupload)

Episode Date: December 30, 2021

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Hi, I'm Tom Savini. You might know me as Sex Machine from Dusk Till Dawn, and you're listening, and I don't know why, to the horror returns. Meetings, victims, for those of you delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify, go, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome home. This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends.

Each episode we seek out and review a brand new horror movie Then go back and find a classic work with similar themes We do include spoilers for the new film However, we're going to wait until the very end of the show To spoil the new feature, and we will let you know Before we do so with a very distinctive spoiler alert And if you don't want to hear the spoilers at that time Just turn us off and we promise you won't miss a thing

Now we generally assume you guys since you're listening You've probably already seen the classic film so there will be spoilers when we discuss anything that has been out for at least a year. The other thing we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host Brian and Philip, and joining us tonight is The Black Saint himself, Santos Ellen Jr.,

from Horror News Radio, Decahuis. decades of horror, et cetera, et cetera. Santos, what have you guys been up to lately, man? Wow. What have we been up to lately? I wouldn't know, because I wasn't on the last podcast. I have no idea what they were up to. I know how that goes.

Yeah, there you go. I'm not alone there. We're busy working on Grusom Magazine, really. That's besides the podcast, that's our main focus, getting out issued Sue of Gruson magazine. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, tell us more about that. I saw some pictures on Doc Rotten's Facebook where he had a big old stack of them at the convention he was at. So you guys actually have a physical, it's not just electronic.

You have a physical magazine. Yeah, there's both. You can buy it. You can get an online version or an actual physical ink and paper magazine. Yeah, they still make those last I heard. That's all right. Yeah, we've been, it's been into planning stages for a couple of years now. and we finally got it off the ground this year.

And so far, the reaction's been really good. It's basically the podcast in a magazine form. We all talk about movies we like. There are interviews in there with actors and filmmakers. The first issue has interviews with director Patrick Ray, whose latest feature Arbor Demon is on Hulu right now. It's a really good movie. interviews with the director of

Dry Blood, another really good movie. I don't know if you guys are familiar with or not. Some stuff about the New York City Horror Film Festival, a little feature about what it's like to be a judge on that, which I am. And, you know, stuff like that. We have issue two ready. It should be available by the end of September.

And we're actually working on issue three as we speak. So, yeah, so far so good. Pick it up. Ready. I hope you guys grab a copy either way. physical or digital and enjoy it. That's what we're looking. That's what we're hoping everyone does enjoy it.

I miss hanging out and read magazines, man. Excuse me? I said I miss hanging out and reading magazines, man. Oh, man, it's a lost art form. Yeah. Like the old days, I always got Fangoria and Starlog, and I look forward to seeing those come in every month. I still have every issue of Fangoria all the way from one to their final issue.

I have all the Gore Zones. I have all the bloody best of Fangoria's. I have a lot of Starlogs, too. I don't have them all, but I have a good amount with them. I'm a magazine junkie. I subscribe to a lot of film magazines, horror magazines. There are some you can still subscribe to it. And a storage unit to go along with them?

Yeah, actually, I do. I don't know how you have room for all that stuff. I don't. We have a U-Haug. storage unit. I keep 90% of my stash is there. Nice. That's not a bad idea. It's expensive,

but if you want to hold on to the stuff, if it meets something to you, and Fangoria especially means everything to me. That was my famous monsters. Even though I have a lot of famous monsters as well. I'm sure you do. Yeah, Fangoria was the one there.

I'm very good friends with a rather Anthony Timpone, the editor at the time for years. He's a really good friend of mine. My kids call him Uncle Tony. Wow. Chris, Alexander, the last editor is a very good friend of mine as well. So,

I love that, I love those guys. I love that magazine. I always well. Royalty in the house over here, man. Yeah, that. All right, hey, but let me ask you this before we move on, Santos. Do you guys have a subscription or, I know you have a website for Grusome, right?

Yeah, there's no, oh, you can't get it through subscription just yet, hopefully, you know, assuming that it takes off. that might be available sometime next year. Right now, the only way to get the magazine is through gruesomemagine.com. Go to gruesomemagine.com

and there'll be a link there. Just click on the link and you can buy the online version or the physical version and we'll get it to you as soon as possible and hopefully you'll enjoy it. We've gotten some feedback from other countries from Australia

and from Liverpool. People have gotten a magazine and have enjoyed it a lot. So I'm amazed that, you know, anyone wants to read it, honestly. I'm just like, wow. And so when I get, you know, letters like that from people across, on the other side of the world, basically, you know, it's important to me. It's important to all of us.

It makes us feel good. It makes us feel that we're doing something right, you know. Yeah, it's always a cool thing, man, to know that people are checking you out, especially outside the country. Yeah, it's a really good feeling. Speaking of cool, Santos, we have a tradition. We like to start our show with something we call Cool of the Week. So what's the coolest thing you've seen this week, man?

I see dozens of movies a week. And this past week I saw one called an entry called Night of the Virgin, a Brazilian horror movie called Night of the Virgin, which is it actually made my jawdrop twice watching it. the best freaking movie almost the best freaking movie

I've seen this year definitely that made the most uncomfortable yeah it's about a kid that uh well not a kid but a young man

who uh is a virgin sort of a dreamy guy who's a virgin and goes to a club on New Year's Eve in the hopes of losing his virginity

and he meets an older and attractive but older woman who takes him home to her apartment ostensibly to have sex but man he's in

for like the worst fucking night of his life, man. It's what happens to him that night is just astounding. And it ends with one of the most uncomfortable scenes that I've ever had to sit through. And I've seen a lot of uncomfortable

shit. Wow. Yeah, I was like, it's way cool. Everyone that'll listen, I've told him you guys have to see Night. As soon as it's available that you can see it, you've got to see Night of Virgin. It's amazing.

Is there a way to watch it? No, it was submitted to us as a festival. It's playing festival. festival. So it'll be released this year, though. I mean, or sometime. I mean, I haven't heard about a distribution deal yet, but usually there's something like this, it'll find an audience. It'll be out there.

It's incredible. Nice. I'll look forward to it. Yeah. All right. Philip, what was your cool, man? Well, first of all, and I'll get into it later, my cool of the week last week was blood drive.

That's all I'm saying Yeah, because we're going to There's Patrick wrote a big all along Listener feedback thing for us This week You know, I watched the first two episodes Of Jessica Beal's new show

It's called The Center It's on USA Oh, I've got those on DVR Yeah Haven't checked it out yet Sounds pretty good It's not bad Like I'm not really sure what to think about it yet

but if they go in the direction that I really want them to, then it could be a really cool show. It's definitely interesting and kind of gruesome for USA. Well, one scene in particular, but yeah, it's definitely worth watching the first episode at least. Have you checked that out yet, Santos? No, I've read a lot of good stuff about it, but I haven't had the time to actually sit down and watch it.

There's a lot of stuff I miss out on because there's a lot of stuff I have to It's impossible to catch up to everything that I'd like to catch up to. And I don't have a DVR. Like the only person in the country that doesn't have a DVVR. You're the one. Yeah, that's me. So, you know, I've got to see it like when it's aired or if I know that there's a repeat coming along. But I really don't because I don't follow.

Like, I don't pay attention to that because it's just too much going on. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I have to get lucky. the internet's a great thing man the internet is I was gonna go Game of Thrones for a third straight week but oh that was a good one

that was a good one you got a streak going almost as crazy as the streak uh Santos has over there on Stomp the Saint we record on Saturday it comes on on Sunday so it's tough to remember you know yeah um but I

I kind of want to mention a movie I checked out we reviewed the trailer for at a 68 kill. Sure. Oh. Yeah. I just saw that. Yeah. What did you think of it? I thought it was pretty fun. Yeah. I liked it. It was fun. It was more funny than I thought it was going to be. And the main actress in it,

what is her name? Anna Lynn McCord. Yeah. She plays crazy really good. She is that shit crazy in this movie. And yeah. And I do have a not-so-cool. The Santos, I think you guys, talked about this. Cuso. Cuso. Oh, shit. Don't this.

I'm not even going to say anything. Yeah. I'm just going to say this. This might have took over for my worst movie of the year. What? Yeah. You guys are all hating this. I was looking for this movie.

I didn't. I made it like 45 minutes and I shut it off. Oh, you turned off a movie? Yeah. That's a problem. Yes. I did better than 45 minutes. I was close to the end, actually.

Yeah, I didn't even get to the part. I heard you guys talking about George Clinton in it. Yeah, that's when I gave up. I was like, that's it. I didn't even make it there. I remember that one. That looks so interesting, too. It looks cool.

Oh, man. No, no. Well, you know what? Different strokes, man. But I swear, at the end of the year, my worst film, that's going to be one through 50, man. I'm told. Have you seen my Bible? And it's cool or two different things.

you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna curse the shit out of me but I sort of like the bye-bye man oh that's right you did you were with your son and you guys had a good theater yeah me and my son we had we had I mean it's a terrible movie again don't get me wrong like I don't own it or anything like that but we had fun watching it's because it's so fucking stupid it's like yeah it's fun man and there were girls there were teenage girls in the audience that were squealing and terror at that shit and we thought it was hysterical like what the fuck are you squealing yeah we just thought was really funny. So we had a good time with it, man. I felt bad for Faye Dunaway. I was like,

shit, man. That sucks to be Fade Dunaway. It was a big star once, man. Yeah, her and who else was Trinity, too, right? Trinity, excuse me? Yeah, from the Matrix. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right, yeah. Carrey Amos.

Yeah, yeah, she's in it for 10 minutes. Oh, my man. How the mighty have fallen. That's a good way. Yeah, it's, it was that sad, but it's a, It's a fun stupid. But Cuso's no fun, man.

No. It's just no fun. I got to see it now. Yeah. I thought it was going to be weird and strange to the point it would be interesting, but it was not and it was not funny. Nothing. It just missed on every point. Every single thing you could, like, hit on no, not.

I lose word. I can't even talk about. I get up a puppy. It's a freaking horrible movie. Yeah, so my personal opinion, I recommend 68 kill. I do not recommend Cuso. Fair enough. All right.

Well, my cool of the week was I know I'm behind on this. I just finally wrapped up season three of Fargo. You guys seen that? I haven't seen it. I watched the first episode. I haven't checked it out since. Yeah, it gets better, man. My wife tapped out after like three episodes.

And I'm glad I stuck with it. stuck with it. It was a little bit anticlimactic at the very ending, I thought, but like there's an episode called Who Rules the Land of Denial, which is like, I think, third from the final one. And Ray Wise shows up with

a kitten named Ray, and he's basically the Grim Reaper. And it was just a really freaky, awesome scene, because he's in a bowling alley at a bar, and the two of the people, I'm not going to see who it is, they walk in, and he's like, well, you've made it. Because they were all just in a big shootout.

and throwing axes around, and you don't know who's dead and who's not. And so they walk up, and Ray Wise is there stroking a little kitten named Ray, and that happens to be the name of the boyfriend of one of the characters. And she's like, Ray, is that you? You know, looking at the cat. And then Ray Wise just real creepy, just smiling. He says, you know what? You've made it here to be weighed, measured, and judged, you know,

and you've gotten this far. You're in kind of a waiting room here with me. Let's see where you go from here. And I'm like, okay, they're all dead. But actually he gave them the keys to a VW bug and they took off. And then the other guy showed up and found out he was the one that was dead. So just really fucking original show. And yes, it is formulaic.

My wife said that each season kind of follows the same basic formula. But I don't know. I like this one the best. So I'll definitely recommend Fargo. All shows do that at this point. See, I don't know if you heard, but when you said, as soon as you said Fargo, I took a deep breath. Oh yeah? Because, yeah, because that's one of the ones, like, I love season one and two.

I love them. Ah, you sound just like, just like AJ, my wife. Oh, I loved that. She tapped out early. I didn't tap out. Is that? Okay. It's like I said earlier, I forget about shows.

It is so much. And I saw the first episode of season three, but then I forgot it was even on. It's like, I just forget. Like, maybe it's my age. I'm at the point where I'll, like, you'll tell me something and I'll turn around and forget you said it, like 30. seconds later. I forget them. And I literally forgot Fargo was on the year. So when you said Fargo, I went, oh, man, it's like in my head. I'm like, shoot, I missed the whole freaking season. I only saw

the first freaking episode. So now I got to go back and catch up season three. So now I've got to go back. You reminded me that Fargo existed just now. That's, that's, I took that door. Like, shoot, no, I've got to watch them, you know, I got to find it. There's so many great shows on right now. It's hard to remember to watch all of them. True. It's rough. I don't watch Game of Throne. I don't watch Game of Thrones. I've never seen an episode of Game and Thrones. It's just just, yeah, I know. I just had a heart attack.

Yeah, I know. I see that. People look to me like I'm like from another world when I say that, but it's just not my bag. And I don't know. Sure. And it's like, it's just too much for me to watch. And I probably like it. But I just don't have the time to invent. And I'm so

way, I mean, what, seven seasons now, right? So I'm like, yeah. I'll never catch up to it ever. Even if I tried, I wouldn't. But like, I love, I love, um, preacher. I'm a big preacher guy. Oh, yeah. And I've won't see the first two episodes of season two. And I think they're up to episode nine now, but I just forget that it's on. And I've got to find to see them. And same thing with American gods. I thought it was great. And I saw the first two episodes of that. And then I forgot it was on. And so I've got to catch up to them somehow. And you're like, you know, God bless the

internet, as we mentioned earlier. So I'll find him eventually. I'll find them eventually. But It's like I forget and then I just time goes on and then shoot. It's just so much to watch, man. TV especially. TV's, you get it big time, big time. I guess that's the cool of the week. You guys ready to move on to headlines, Brian? Let's do it.

Pull some couple quick things. More casting news for Hellboy. Milo Jovich is cast as the villain. I guess it's a reboot. I guess that's what they're going with now. okay so um and uh i think last week we talked about uh ian mcshank coming on so uh cast is looking pretty good i'm i'm kind of over the fact that we're not getting a third uh uh del toro hell boy so i'm everything i'm hearing i'm pretty much good with uh what they're doing

here i'm not bad at it oh man i don't think they need to boot that's that's one of our listener feedback too actually It just, it drives me crazy that, that Del Toro is not going to finish the trilogy. Sure. You know, I'm not, I'm not knocking this one. I mean, there's nothing to knock yet. It's just a title and, right now, so I can't knock it. But, you know, I'm a big, I'm going to drop names just for a second.

You know, Del Toro, I met Del Toro before he was Del Toro. Nice. When the Strain first debuted, actually. No, no, before the debut, the Strait. actually when the book it just came out I went to a a event called times talks here in New York and they get actors and writers and politicians but we'll have to talk to an audience for an hour about whatever they're working on and they had one with del Toro and me and my daughter went because she was a big fan too and um afterwards we got him to sign a copy of the

strain and we started talking it turns out that our daughters had the same name and one thing led to another and we traded emails and we started I was I would correspond respond with him for a long time we were corresponding on email. He's the one that got me writing. He's the one that told me I should become a writer because he thought, the quote is, because you have the tenor of a writer in your email. So I still have that on my computer. It's like the greatest thing anyone's ever told me. So, yeah, it is very cool. And it's because of him, I started to write. But then he became Guillermo del Toro. And he didn't, he wasn't responding to emails, Zima.

which is fine that's cool listen do your business man it's all good but sure I really love the way you know Hellboy 2 ended and I just wanted to see a third one so bad just let him finish what he started and um

but from what I've read according to what I understand he wanted a $100 million budget at least to the third one because he feels that studio he had to make the first two on the cheap studios wouldn't give him what he wanted, but he thought they would

cause. So he didn't want to go cheap with the third one. And no one wanted to give him that money. They did well, but they didn't do that well. And they didn't want to take a chance with a $100 million plus budget. That's dumb. It would have been amazing. It would have been, I mean,

maybe they were right. Maybe it wouldn't have made any money. I mean, it would have made a little money. But just the idea of him finishing the trilogy and, you know, it would have been, you're right, it would have visually been, it would have been amazing. I think the Golden Army, Hellboy, it's like, visually one of the most amazing films. I just love the design of that film, man.

And I just want to see him finish it. But, you know, I like who's in here. And I like the director. Who's directing this one? I forgot his name. Neil Marshall. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I think he's great. So, you know, I'm looking forward to this. I don't like the fact that they're saying it's going to be R-rated. So it's going to be, you know, bloody and violent. Everything, that sort of turns me off because Guillermo didn't have to do that. You don't think that's necessary, huh? I don't think that's not, not at all. Not at all. Be almost proved it's not necessary.

I mean, it'll be different. I'd like to see what they come up with, but I don't think it's necessary. Yeah, I think they're just going with that trend now. The Deadpool and Logan's kind of set there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, da, yeah. Well, and Deadpool and Logan made a whole lot more sense as an R rating. I don't know, maybe they'll go like a super creepy route. Who knows?

yeah um we'll see you're creepy in the first two hill boys man yeah especially the first one there's some shouldn't it that's really creepy uh yeah we'll see we'll see time will tell okay um let's see here

uh Carl Urban is in talks to come back as judge dread for the for the upcoming TV show of Mega City 1 okay that would make sense yeah because uh yeah I'm down with that his version of dread was definitely better than Stallone. Yeah, certainly different. I just forced my dad to watch that a couple months ago. He didn't want to watch it at all.

The Stallone one? No, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, the new one. I was about Saddle Blame. Well, no, that makes sense. No, but he watched it and he loved it. It was a hell of a movie, man. It's a killer movie, especially in 3D.

It's like amazing. Oh, yeah, I bet. Yeah, I didn't see it in 3D. Oh, man, it's kick-ass in 3D. But, you know, hate me, but I'm a fan of the Salone version, too. Mainly because I don't know what he's saying, like 60% of the time. I literally don't know what Stallone's lines. When he, his first line, when he comes out of, he steps off his motorcycle.

He says, uh, uh, uh, and I don't know what the fuck is he? saying. I was like, yo, what's going on, man? This movie's great. I just,

I just love with it. You guys will regret the day. So, I can't know that we're making a show. I hadn't heard this. Yeah. Right now, I think it's,

I mean, it's definitely the show is going to happen. But as far as Carl Urban coming on, it's, they're just in talks right now. So, um, They haven't said, I think they're kind of in a bidding war for which networks, because right now networks are grabbing shows, because I don't know if you guys heard about the karate kid.

Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, I was all for it until I heard it was going to be on YouTube red. I don't know if anybody has YouTube read. Man. We care about that. Yeah. Red. I know they're trying.

Maybe this is their big one. You know, Hulu's got some stuff that, you know, nobody else has got. Now, you know, Amazon is jumping on. So I guess, you know, YouTube's trying to grab up here. Yeah, but I'm not going to,

I'm not going to pay a subscription price for one show. Yeah. Well, hey, same thing with fucking Star Trek. Oh, I'll pay you a impression price for that. That's on CBS something or CBS. CBS All Access. all actually yeah

feel a bullshit not that I'm not that I'm advocating this but God bless the internet that's all I'm going to say yeah on principle

I will not pay CBS for one fucking show I'm not I've already paid it dude I'm already I'm already in all right I'm coming hey yeah yeah that's good

hey you're welcome to man okay and the last thing we're going to talk about is uh Netflix has been in the news a lot um and they

just recently Disney is going to pull all their stuff, but Netflix has acquired Mark Millar's Millar World, which if anybody doesn't know, he created Kingsman, kick-ass, wanted a whole bunch of other stuff. So they're going to develop these into more movies and TV shows for Netflix. I have a question.

Yes. They're pulling their, I know, totally unrelated to horror. They're pulling their Disney shows. Does that count? Does that count for Pixar? Yep. Yep. I think as far as I've read, the only things that are staying as far as right now was their Marvel Netflix shows.

Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, they're going to move those. They're going to fuck us and move those over to the new network, aren't they? Probably. Oh, damn it. No time soon. I mean, the Defender starts on the 18th, I think, of this month.

Yeah. Yeah. 18th or 19th, if you can start streaming. My brother-in-law works for Netflix. He's a vice president in charge of some bullshit in Netflix. And he emailed me about this a couple of weeks ago, about this Malar verse. But he was asking questions because he's not really familiar with Mark Millar in his work. So I had to give him a quick primer on it.

And I think it's great news. Yeah. Yeah. I think Netflix can really, really spend some money on this stuff. and make them without any sort of studio interference or anything and make them the way they're supposed to be seen, you know, as true to the comics as possible. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to whatever they come up with, honestly, in terms of the Milarvers, yeah, I'm down. I'm so down. Sadly, I don't get any previews of any of this stuff. You figure with a brother-in-law that's

there, I get like screeners, nothing. It's like the most worthless brother-in-law ever. nothing, I get nothing from it, but You're free Netflix? No? When I said nothing, I mean nothing. As a matter of fact, as a matter of fact, this is true, my other brother-in-law actually

uses my Netflix account. So if anything, I'm paying for Netflix for one brother-in-law and both my daughters who, you know, who are adults, and they all glom off of my fucking Netflix account. I use Lance is.

There you go. It's not just me. It sucks. Like I said, it's been a slow news week, so that's pretty much all we have. All right, cool. So you live up in Brooklyn or the Bronx, Santos? Where do you live? I live in the Riverdale section.

Okay. Got a question for you. you. Truly. You guys got any trailer parks up there in the Bronx? No. No trailer. No trailer parks.

That's my knowledge. No, I've been here all my life. I've never seen a trailer in the Bronx, let alone a trailer park. So, yeah, no, I can't say we do. All right, man. Well, we're going to, you're going to be educated here because we're going to take a little trip down to the trailer park. First one we're going to talk about is downrange.

this star is Jason Tobias, Graham Skipper, and Stephanie Pearson. What did you guys think about this one? Pretty brutal. Yeah, it looked in a sniper movie. I mean, yeah, it looked like a lot more than just bullets opening people out, man. There's some heavy-duty carnage in this trailer, man.

I'd never heard of this before today. I haven't even watched it. And I was like, whoa. And I like Kidamura. I own a Midnight Meetrain and wanted. No, not wanted. What's the other one called? Shoot, it's in the trailer.

Is it another Klein Barker adaptation? Like Robin Rex? No, no. His first Asian. It was an Asian film. Oh, okay. I forgot what it's called, but I have it. But he's a really good director.

I like his stuff. It's why I'm really excited. excited about this man this looks really violent and really potent and uh it's exciting when i see a trailer like this i'd never heard of before i didn't even know it was in the in the pipeline you know and it looks so kick-ass so yeah sure ready yeah i saw the tire rolling down the road i was for a minute there was wondering if this was a sequel to rubber you know that movie i mean i wasn't a fan of rubber it was kind of it had it had its moments it had it was different it was different I'm just saying that because

it's like nearly every movie I've ever seen has at least one moment but Kuso doesn't. Fuck Kuso. Kuso is just a I'll say that every chance like I gotta watch it now. I second that. I second that fuck that movie.

Wow. All right. Sounds like we're looking forward to this one. This one had a very like Hills had eyes like kind of look at the very beginning and then yeah, sniper shows up and apparently mows people down like a fucking slasher movie.

It's no joke. It's like when it gets gritty, it looks like it gets really, really gritty and gory as fuck. So I'm ready. All right. Downrange, no release date, but it's supposedly coming out later this year. So keep everyone post on that one. All right. Okay, moving on to our next one, which is Escape.

Room starring two people who I didn't even see in the trailer was like top build. Skeet Ulrich and Sean Young. You're kidding. Oh, boy. Santos, what are you thinking, man? Well, you know, in an interesting Coinkidink, I interviewed the director and the cast of Escape Room for issue two of Grusome Magazine. Peter Duke's.

Yes, Peter Dukes and the cast. Not Skeet Olerich and Sean Young, the rest of the cast. Okay. And, but I'd never seen a trailer. They didn't have a trailer cut when I spoke to them. So this is the first time I'd seen it. And it looks pretty cool. It looks pretty, they made it.

I mean, they really talked it up. And I was actually excited about what they were saying. So I was looking forward to seeing anything about it. And here, finally, I got to see the trailer today, thanks to you guys. And it looks pretty good to me. It looked pretty different. I don't know. Have you guys ever done an escape room before?

Never. No. But they're really popular. I've always wanted to. I've done a couple. They're a ton of fun. Yeah. And y'all, yeah.

And you really get to know who your friends are. They really get to know who your friends are in an escape room. Especially when the time is winding down and you're still trapped in there, man. And you guys, it gets frantic. We always got out, though. Like, both times I did it. Both times I did it once with my family and went to the group of friends. And with my family, we just barely made it out.

I think it was two minutes to spare. and we got out. With my friends, I think we made it out by 10 minutes left, and we got out of it. But they're a lot of fun. And I never thought about a movie based on one. And I think it's a great idea. And here you go. So, yeah, I'm really looking forward to this trailer look good.

Yeah, but my only concern is what has Skeed O'Ritch been in lately, you know? I mean, ever since, what was the one where he was the, he was one of the two killers? God, that was in the 90s, man. Scream. Yeah. He was in as good as it gets. That's the last thing I've ever seen him, man. Okay.

He, I, granted, I haven't seen Skeet in much. Not that I don't, I mean. Uh, wait a minute. You know what? Wait a minute. Hold on. He's, uh, he's hot right now, actually, because he has ever heard of that new TV show called Riverdale?

No. Oh, the Archie, the Archie one? Yeah, the Archie one. Oh, Riverdale. Oh, yeah. He's in that, says. then he's back on top because apparently. And it looks like he's done a shitload of robot chicken, which is a really fun show that I catch every once in a while.

Yeah, I've caught it occasionally. Or segments of it anyway. I don't know. Like I said, I live in the Riverdale section of the Bronx. It has nothing to do with that show. You ever seen Archie, huh? No, Archie's not here. I've never seen that show.

I'm not, I don't know. It's not my thing. I've heard it's pretty good, though. I have, too. I've heard a lot of good things about it. Yeah. I've heard, you know, it's like dark archie. So that's cool.

Again, the trailer look good. I'm really interested in watching the movie. I'm hoping it lives up to the praise that they gave it. I'm sure we'll be checking it out, right, Brian? Yeah, September 1st is the release date for Escape Room. Right right. Yeah, moving on. It's VOD?

Yeah, I think it's, going to be VOD straight to D. Yeah, they set a limited theatrical, select theatrical really, and then VOD, then that's okay. I kind of want to check it out. Yeah, it looked like you took an escape room, you put saw traps in there, so. Right, yeah, it was saw. That's exactly what my wife said. I'm going to check it out, so. Moving to a trailer who I would love to get everybody's opinion on, uh, death wish starring Bruce Willis, Elizabeth. Elizabeth. his shoe, Vincent Donofrio, and Dean Norris. This thing's

catching so much ill. Directed by Eli Roth. Yeah. Well, that's the fucking black mark on it right there, is the Eli Roth thing. It looked so crappy to me.

I don't know. It just looked really shitty to me. Bruce looks like he's sleepwalking again. I don't think he's acted really like with any passion in a movie for years now

honestly I don't know for me it seems like he's just in it for the cash and I'm not anti

Eli Roth I actually like a couple of his movies I mean I like the cabin fever I thought it was okay and I liked the first hostel

I thought that was a pretty good movie I think he gets a little too much a little too much flack but I don't dislike his films. But this just looks like, it just looks bad.

It almost smacks of, it's almost racist. Because like, all I see him killing is blacks and Spanish people. I don't see any, I don't see him killing any white folk. There's got to be a couple of bad white folk in wherever he's at. You know, they're one or two of you guys. First one who's noticed that. All of us black, blacks and Puerto Ricans, there's some bad ones. We're not all bad.

but he's like just killing everybody. Maybe we should rethink the trailer a little bit. Yeah, you know, we'll put it out there. One white guy. Okay, it's none. I'm going to see it, though. I can't lie, though. I'll go see it.

Oh, man, I guess. Maybe it's just a, maybe it's just a sucky trailer. You know what I mean? Maybe there's something good there. I'm a big fan of Death Wish. I even own the crappy Canon Death Wish films because I just, And they're crappy. I mean, Charles Rosco could barely walk like in Death Witch Five.

He's so old. And he's killing like thousands of gang members in that freaking movie. But it's just fun to watch. Is that the one with a really brutal rape in it? The fifth one? I think it's the fourth one. Okay. There's a really brutal rape.

It's sort of needlessly brutal. But that's Michael Winner directed that. And Michael Winter, he had a rep. at that point for going a little bit above and beyond the pale. And so that's to be expected. Oddly enough, when I worked, I used to be a subway conductor here in New York. I retire. I'm a retired subway conductor.

But my nickname was CB for Charles Bronson because I never smiled at anybody. I would ask me. I would answer. Don't get me wrong. I was unfailingly polite, but I never smiled. I just wanted to go home. you know, just get on the train and get off. We go, so yeah.

Not a lot of satisfaction from that job, huh? I couldn't wait to leave, man, honestly. Yeah, I understand. You know, you're underground, you know, eight to ten hours a day. You never see the sun. It's rough. There's a prison guard for like six months. I totally understand.

Wow. Subways of vacation compared to that, I'm sure. Oh, I don't know. probably rougher in the subway. That's what I'm saying. That's what I mean. Working for the subway must have been a vacation compared to that. I can't,

I couldn't do that. I'm scared of prison, man. I can't go to it. I can't be in no prison. I don't want to be on either side of the bar. Yeah. More disgusting than anything. Just disgusting, huh?

It is. Yeah. What state? What state are living? Texas. Texas. Oh. It's hot in Texas, too.

Yeah. Damn hot right now. Hot prisons. Oh, man. Yeah. That's a Tinder box, man. No, fuck that. All right.

Death Wish, November 22nd. So Thanksgiving film. Oh, get out. Really? That's my daughter's birthday. Oh, really? Oh, that's good. You got to take her, man.

Take her to the movies for birthday. She lives upstate, but, uh, she was four hours away, but maybe. Hey, man. For death wish, for, uh, for, uh, for, for, uh, for, this performance. Eli Ross and Bruce Willis? Yeah. It's worth it, man.

It's worth it. Hey, and is there I love Bruce Willis, man. But hey, is there anything Vincent Dinoffrio won't do these days? Oh, that's true. Is there anything this dude doesn't just show up in random? He was in that fucking Rings movie.

I love Vincent Donofrio too, man. And everything that he does. I like him in rings. I didn't like the movie. It was shitty, but he was good in it. He was doing his Stephen laying impression from Don't

Breathe in Rings. Yeah. I don't know. Again, that's another one that I thought he was going to be a I don't, I mean, don't get me wrong, he's a great actor. I really think he is a very, I thought it was great in Magnificent 7 last year. I really did.

Yeah. But I thought he would be a much bigger star than he actually is. You know, he ended up being. He's like a really good character actor now, but I thought when he, after, after full metal jacket, I thought he'd be like a leading man, you know, like a But again, he, maybe he didn't want to, though. Maybe he didn't want to me. Maybe he just wanted to be a really good supporting actor.

So in that case, more power to him. He really good at playing crazy. He plays crazy, great. Kenna, kind of makes you wonder if he's not a little bit. I don't want to find out. I'll let you all do that. You can tell me about it after. All right, Brian, I think we got one more trailer, right?

Yeah, and Lance, I think this is, your most anticipated for the year. Mother starring Jennifer Lawrence, Javier Bardem, Ed Harris, Michelle Pfeiffer, Domhall Gleason, and his brother Brian Gleason, and Kristen Wigg,

directed by Darren Aronofsky. Yeah, I don't think you can go wrong. What do you think? Have you seen the trailer? I guess we've all seen the trailer, but what are you thinking about this movie, Santos? Yeah, the full trailer. I saw it today.

You guys sent the link. They had only, I'd only seen a teaser before that. It's Aeronovsky, man. And I'm a, I've been after Anaski since Pye. You know, I, again, I own all of Aranowski's films.

Okay. Oh, yeah, I think, I think Pye is genius. As soon as I saw Pye, so whoever made this is a genius. And I'm a big fan. Even if I'm not crazy about the film, I'm a big Aronowski fan.

Because everything he does, there's something. different. There's something that it, this looks really gory, but it, it looks intelligent, too. There's an, there's an, there's an air of intelligence there that

I just appreciate. I got a Rosemary's baby vibe out of this. I don't know why. Oh, yeah, with all the, the people gathered around. Yeah, I got, or something. It seemed, it felt like that to me.

I got a, I got a real strong rosemary's baby vibe from it, but I mean, no one knows what it's about. Right. That's the beauty of it. Yeah, that's the beauty of it. Exactly. I just want to go.

And be surprised. And I hope I'm wrong. You know, I hope it's something completely opposite when I'm thinking. It's to be that more, that much more surprise, man. It's, even if it sucks,

it's Aronowski. So even if it sucks, it's going to be interesting. It'll be, if it's a failure, it'll be an interesting failure. So I'm down. I'm way down.

This trail will look great, too. Yeah, I agree. I don't know what the fuck it's about, though. But it looks interesting. It really looks good, man. I'm very anxious to see this. Maybe, yeah, I might be with you, Lance. Like, out of the rest of what's coming out of this year, I might be most hot for this because it's Aaronowski.

Yeah, and I think my two favorite films of the year so far, I don't think you cared for either one of them. I don't think you did. One of them you call like a TV docudrama or a fucking lifetime movie or something. So you know which one that is. Get out. Get out. Oh, get out. You didn't like it?

So much shit for that. No, I like. I'm going to be saying this for the rest of my life. I sincerely like Get Out. I think it's a really good movie. I just don't think it's the best fucking things in sliced bread. And I swear to God, everybody that have seen it, they just, I mean, they fucking, they're worshipping at the altar of Get Out. Like, it's the greatest fucking movie.

I'm like, it's not that good. It's just not. It's good. I didn't have a bad time. I enjoyed it. But God damn it, people, it's... Yeah. No, it was...

I agree with you. Yeah, it was kick-ass, but it's probably not going to make my top five, I don't think. It's not going to make my top ten. Man, you guys are brutal. If it does make my top ten, it'll be like number ten. I mean, the year's not up yet. But it's not... I just don't think it was that great.

I'm not going to own it. And I buy everything. I'm like... Oh, man. I'm a dick. I buy everything. Right. I think it would be worth buying.

Two copies of Blackenstein, for Christ's sake. You know what I'm saying? I have three copies of Blackwell. But I'll never own one Get Out. You know what I mean? And I know that. What about Cannibal Women in the avocado jungle of death? You have that.

Awesome. I've got a lot of movies, dude. Sounds like it. I'm actually, I I'm not even trying to be funny. I might have that on VHS as well. Cannibal Woman.

Well, that'd be where it came out. Yeah, that makes sense. That's how I had it. I don't know what happened to it. I think I might own that on VH. I definitely own it on DVD. I think I'm able to be interested. I'm sorry.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm going to get dressed tomorrow and drive to you all and see if I can find it. Because I just want to know if I have it now. I'm just curious. That really sucks. I don't know. Oh, well.

I'm sorry. Moving on. All right, mother, right around the corner, September 15th. All right. I can't wait. Can't wait. Can't wait. All right. Any, you've got any feedback this week, Philip? So we're going to start with an email from our buddy Patrick Lear.

And he wants to talk about. Sent us, he's our Jeff Hernandez. Oh. He's actually got a, yeah, he's got a couple of feedback sections in this one. But this one is about, this one is about Blood Drive. And the reason I didn't talk about it, earlier is because he pretty much took the words out of my mouth. So

starts out, I'm going to read the whole fucking thing. Starts out by saying, ladies and gentlemen's, bastards and tramps, bloodsuckers, motherfuckers, road trash, and vamps. To the queers and the strange in the crowd on the stage, to the

violent, the malevolent, and those seeing a grave, welcome home. Julian Sink. He might have loved a little more than I do. He says, hi guys. That was a quote from Blood Drive. I wanted to give you the rundown on this great show that Sci-Fi Network

has put together. Lance has mentioned it once or twice in his cool of the week segment, so I decided to check it out. Blood Drive. Let me start by saying to the listeners out there, if you are a fan of this podcast, The Horror Returns,

well, you know which podcast you'll listen into. Then you will absolutely love the series. I was hooked after the first episode, Thanks to Lance for the recommendation. That's the same reason I watched it. So, yeah, thank you, Lance. If you don't know, Blood Drive is a sci-fi's attempt at a Grindhouse Movie-Stylety series. They pull it off in spectacular fashion, written and created by James Rowland and stars Alan Richson.

That's the dude from Blue Mountain State, right? Yeah, yeah, he was Aquaman in the, in the, what was the show Smallville, I think? The one, the first W. Hero show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Awkward, but I like him. Yeah, pretty awkward. Christina Ochoa.

Liz, you already got a crush on her, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't win it at all. Sandoz, I'm going to have to ask my wife for her permission to make this my new whole pass. Have you seen the show yet at all?

No, man. That's one that we talked about on the show. but I haven't personally had a chance to watch it. It got I think two of us liked it and one of us hated it so I was curious but I just haven't had a chance. Okay.

He's got a pretty good review of the thing coming up here, man. It's also has Thomas Dominique, Marmachorillette and Colin Cunningham. The plot is fairly simple. It's set in a dystopian future in a world where oil is 2,000 a barrel

and food is scarce and barren due to fracking. People participate. I just like the word fracking. People participate in a cannonball run type death race in cars that run on human blood for prize money to get out of the wasteland. It is just as over the top as it sounds in cheesy, fun, bloody, gory grind house style. Richson is a cop named Arthur and has forced to team up with. Grace, who's Ochoa, a racer looking for her lost sister, played by the smoke

Cuyahue, Christina Ochoa. Yes, I agree with you there. Racing in a sweet-looking 67 Camaro. Yeah, that's pretty sexy too. What I love about this show is that it pays Amish to so many classics. Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Death Race, Fistful of Dollars, Mad Max, Deptford Wives, and that's just the name of few. They do it so well that it doesn't feel like they're necessarily ripping anything off, As you can tell that Roland is a fanboy. They also really push the envelope on what you expect to see and hear on a cable TV show. Yeah, they dropped the F-bomb like 50 fucking times in the first few episodes. Yeah, and it doesn't slow down.

No, at all. On sci-fi? On sci-fi. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I couldn't fucking believe it, yeah. No boobs, but that's about it. The start. The chemistry between Richden and Grace.

is a bit rigid, but picks up as a series gets going. I'll agree with that too. Richardson has played an Arthur before. He was Arthur Curry, Aquaman, and a few episodes of Smallville. There you go. Personally, I still think he's better than Jason Mamoa. I think you are wrong, Patrick.

I think Jason Mamoa is kind of awesome. However, the real acting gym in this series is done by Colin Cunningham. some may recall him as John Pope from the Falling Skies series he plays the antagonist Julian Sink and the creator of the blood drive an operative for the mysterious heart enterprises

shout out to Resident Evil's umbrella court have you seen this guy before oh yeah I watched Falling Skies did you see it Santos no I know I wished I hadn't it got shitty real quick Did you watch that right, Brian? Never seen it.

Oh, Mickey Man. He's great in this one, though. He says, Slick is a steampunk-looking reamester type of character, but what makes him interesting is that he sometimes finds himself having to team up with the good guys in order to survive,

meanwhile, always looking out for his own interest. As we all know, when you have two, when you have a very compelling Dick, nah, nah, nah, nah, I can talk. As we all know, when you have a very compelling villain, it just makes the show that much better. And Cunningham as Slink is terrific. Nine out of ten if I had to rate this series. Damn. Yeah, right? I encourage everyone to check out the show. It's very entertaining and fun. Hard to believe that this is a sci-fi show, but if they keep offering up shows like this, I'm all in. Sponsored by Coxmeat. Get Satisfied with God. Was that from the show? It's in the show. As always, guys, keep the shows rolling,

and I hope you were able to enjoy this week's offering of Annabelle creation. I got to see it last week, and I enjoyed it. I really thought it was better than the first, which was surprising since I wasn't expecting much. Okay, bam, and got it an Annabelle review. Nice. So, yeah. A lot more erudite than our Jeff Hernandez.

He's a step up. He's a step up from our Jeff Hernandez. You guys have a much better Jeff Hernandez than we do. Oh, okay. He's awesome, man. He's the honorary fourth member. Yeah, Jeff Hernandez sucks. I hope he's listening.

You suck, Jeff. We'll make sure he does. I fucking hate that guy. We appreciate it, man. Everything you do, you're kind of like our correspondent. So I appreciate everything you, everything you send in, brother. All right.

And a couple more. I'll try to burn through them quick. We got a lot of listener feedback today. On the Horror Returns Facebook group, we asked, is anybody excited for the new Hellboy, Rise of the Blood Queen, with this cast of Dave Harbor, Dave Harbor,

Emmett Shane, and Milo Jovovich. Patrick, again, says, he's in. Not sure how excited I am, but I like the cast so far. That seems to be the gist. Adam Blunch says, my nipples are stiffening.

So he likes the casting. He likes it. Cynthia Talbot says, I'm excited for anything starring in McShane. Yeah, I can't go wrong with that dude. And then regarding the new trailer for Mother, Samantha Leonard looks great.

Samantha Leonard says, good cast looks good. Great cast looks good. Gene Turner, the only other horror movie I've seen with Jennifer Lawrence is House at the End of the Street, and it was just okay, nothing to brag about. Oh, you can't compare these two. Gene, shame on you, brother. Come on.

You're going to compare House at the end of the street to an Aronofsky film? Come on. You know, House at the end of the street wasn't that bad. I didn't realize Jennifer Lawrence was in that. That was before she was like Jennifer Lawrence. That was right after Winter's Bone, I think. Yeah, after Winter's Bone, yeah. That was like a life.

time movie too, actually. Yeah, I agree with you on that one. So that had a rape scene in it that was like hard to watch. I've seen worse. Yeah, well, yeah. You see worse in that. That's true. And keep shaking out our main, the horror returns Facebook page where we'll be posting

updates on 2018's Texas Frightmare weekend. Brian's coming all the way in from Alaska. So you guys got to give them some love. Listeners, if Brian can make it to Texas. Frightmare, you guys can too. He's coming from fucking Alaska, for Christ's sake. Yeah, I feel bad now because

yeah, because we want to go to Texas Frightmare. We all, the guys on a podcast, we want to, you know, grab a table there, but it's like, I don't know, Texas is far. And then maybe not for me. I mean, maybe not for the other, but for me, it's like far. But Alaska's further.

So shit, I have no excuse now. I'm just, damn, thank you. We have to go. But I am coming, everybody. Nice. Yeah, the news has been coming in fast and furious. I think we're all staying in the hotel where it's being held this time.

So it should be a lot of fun. We'll definitely do some sort of live broadcast. Yeah, they just starting announcing guests that are going to be there. The cast of Child's Play, the original Childs Play is going to be there. Uh-oh. and uh ron perlman okay there you go maybe we can talk him into doing another uh hellboy oh he tried i'm sure he's he tried he tried you know the guys from the horror return came up to me and they were talking to me and i was like you know i should really do another hill boy sure all right let's fucking move on at this point

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we've finally gotten around to the main part of the show. It's time for our featured attractions. And this week, it's all about the little people. We take a look at the new film Annabelle Creation as well as 1978's Magic starring Sir Anthony Hopkins. So as always, we'll do the older film first. We'll start with a little trivia. It was directed by Richard Addenborough. He was also known for directing a Bridge Too Far and Chaplin.

but perhaps most well known for playing John Hammond in Jurassic Park. Oh. Yep. I saw the picture of him. I'm like, where the fuck do I know this guy from? And I guess he did more acting than he did directing. But this is why we're glad to have a film historian on with us this week. So I'm sure he'll make everything clear.

Writer was William Goldman, also pretty famous, known for the Stepford Wives and also misery. that's what would probably appeal most our fans here. Upon seeing fats for the first time, Hopkins was allowed to take the doll home to work with. However, he wound up being so unnerved by it. Santos, I can see you doing this, man. He called a consulting ventriloquist in the middle of the night, threatening to throw fats into the canyon if somebody didn't come get the bloody doll immediately. Richard Annborough ended up going to Hopkins House to calm him down.

Burges Meredith replaced Lawrence Olivier. Olivier was set to play Ben Green but had to drop out due to illness. And Anne Margaret and Anthony Hopkins reached paid about $300,000 for their performances. So my how things have changed. So our tradition here, Santos, is to allow our guests, if you wish, to go first, man. What did you think about this movie? Would you like to get the ball rolling? well

we did a decade of 70s podcast on this movie last year I think or maybe a couple years ago I remember what I remember most about magic I love magic I own magic it's weird how I own a lot of the movies that terrify me the most like if it's got a doll or a dummy and I probably own it

and that's the shit I'm just I'm mortified by um is the trailer for magic that gets me every time. Oh, man. I don't know if you guys...

The trailer's like, it's one of the scariest fucking trailers ever, in my opinion. And it's just the doll sitting there reciting that fucking poem that... That... I'm not even shooting you. I just got to chill. Just thinking about it. It gave me a chill. It's the scariest freaking thing.

So, obviously, and I used to play on television. Like, I'd be watching the Mariettaille Moore show with my mom. Saturday night at 9 o'clock and then the trailer for magic You know we'd be laughing in the jovial movie And then the fucking trailer for magic with Papa And fucking scared the shit out of both of us And they're like yeah this is really fucked Duff man but I'm gonna go see that movie

You know I'm gonna be there doesn't matter And uh uh it wasn't what I expected it to be Which I thought was cool It wasn't the uh you know A little dummy it wasn't like Chuckie He wasn't running around killing people Fats didn't do anything Sort of kind of by himself

So maybe move his eyes once in a while In a really Fucking creepy way It was a psychological thing But it was still terrifying Because the facts The look of the dummy It's just indelibly

creepy It's just scary man He's not heartwarm He's not a dummy He's not like a dummy on television In the 50s a, Charlie McCarthy.

Charlie McCarthy and those guys he wasn't a happy go lucky, you know, you weren't happy to see this motherfucker

he was, he was a scary looking dummy, man. And Hopkins is so spot on great in this movie as slowly losing

his mind throughout the movie and as he's going that's the audience realizes that it's not the dummy. It's, it's Hopkins character

that's really, that's, corkey. His name was corky. I remember, uh, He was the one that was going nuts. He was the one, we didn't know what he was capable of.

And not as he apparently. And then when he did what he did, when he kills who he kills and listens to the dummy, you know, make it. It reminded me of a lot of a Twilight Zone episode called The Dummy. Okay, sure. That's a show that really fostered my fear of these things, the Twilight Zone to refute him. And the ending, I think, is so tragic. I don't want to spoil it for anyone who... I know you guys say you're a spoiler podcast,

but since I'm a guest, I won't spoil it. I'll let you guys spoil it if you want to. But, you know, when he does what he does to himself and Anne Margaret's final scene in that freeze frame, you know, it's sad, man. It's a sad ending to a really well-made, expertly acted by Burgess Meredith is terrific in this movie.

scary psychological thriller man and I don't think it was well received at first I don't remember I think his reputation is grown over time and now it's a classic as far as I'm concerned man and if anyone who's listening

hasn't seen it really by all means find it I know you can get it on DVD it's probably on Blu-ray it's something you gotta watch at least once man It's just one of the best psychological thrillers of the 70s for sure. And I thought Hopkins should have got an Oscar nomination for this. He didn't. I thought he should have.

He was really, really good in it. This was a first watch for me. The beginning of the movie, I didn't know what to think of this movie. I was almost bored. But then when Anthony Hopkins kicks in with the doll, I think it was the scene where he's basically arguing with Fats about having privacy while he takes a piss. You guys know what scene I'm talking about?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. When you get into those scenes and then when he's doing the car trick with Anne Margaret, right. And he starts, you know, you see that crazy cat. Yeah. And it was just really, he had me there. And I thought he was amazing in this.

I do agree he should have been nominated for something involving this movie. And Margaret was, I think, I thought she was pretty good in it, but Burgess Meredith, I love seeing him all pimped out with the roles. When I think of him, it's Rocky automatically for me. Sure. But then you see him, and I thought it was, I thought he was really good in this. And, but Anthony Hopkins for me, just stole it.

Yeah. Yeah, it was, I mean, an Anthony Hopkins highlight reel of this movie. you know I don't know this was the first time I've watched it too it's the first time I've actually heard of it and I was a little bored at some parts

I think it was really slow but Anthony Hopkins is Anthony Hopkins and he totally pulled off the crazy and it was really interesting to watch but yeah I think it just maybe took

kind of long to get there although it was necessary to set up the story. So it made sense. It was just a lot like the shining was. It was a little bit slow for me at parts, but didn't have the same kind of cinematography. It did, however, have Anthony Hopkins who pretty much killed it. And I didn't even realize that he was the one that was doing the voice of the dummy as well

until I saw the credits roll. And I thought that was kind of. cool. The old double building there, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, overall, I liked it. It's definitely worth a watch if you've never seen it before. Yeah, well, first of all, I'll say that that fucking, that trailer that came on at night on TV when it never should have fucking come on when I was like 10 and 11 years old.

That scared to piss out of me every time. And I just knew this movie was about like a killer puppet. Like you were saying, Santos, like. a chucky and uh i mean it just scared the hell out of me that this you know this this puppet was saying that right you know it was like uh uh what what did he say abracadabra i sit on his knee i sit on his knee hocus pocus now he is me um oh shoot abracadabra we take her to bed magic is fun we're dead holy shit man i just got another chill See, yeah, it's like

Chuckie ain't fucking around in this one. You know what I mean? Fucking, I know that fucker traumatized a lot of kids, man. I just know it did. It's really, and it's on the DVD. It's like, you can watch it on the TV. It's just, oh, God, it's so good.

It's on YouTube. It's on YouTube. I had to watch it again on YouTube, man. I would give, if I was giving a rating to the trailer, I'll give it nine and a half. I mean, that was one of the most effective scariest things I've ever seen. Now, the movie, on the other hand,

agreed. You know, Anthony Hopkins' performance was phenomenal. You know, he definitely sold it, you know, as a dude that had a split personality and was going progressively more and more crazy and, you know, being dependent upon this dummy and everything. And Margaret, as always, is gorgeous.

You know, I think she was gorgeous still when she was doing a dirty old man and stuff like that. So she's never lost her good looks at all, in my opinion. She's a knockout. She's always been a knockout. Absolute knockout. I thought the story was really well written. I thought that it was a good ending to it.

It was a good way to wrap everything up. It was a very, very tight story. Unfortunately, that's kind of where it ended for me because I was pretty much fucking bored out of my mind. And I love, I fucking love a slow burn movie, like 70s era slow burn and stuff like, bad is some of my favorite types of films, but I just kept expecting the fucking doll to turn into Chucky and

start coming after him. And then when that one scene when the, you know, when the guy's in the room and he starts stabbing him, I'm like, okay, here we go, finally. And then of course, Anthony Hopkins is behind there, and then you realize nothing supernatural about it. So I think I was kind of let down by that. You were talking about... I was going to ask about that. That scene right there?

Okay, so was Anthony Hopkins behind him somewhere when that dude got stabbed? Because that was my only, like, that point when I was like, well, maybe this doll is fucking real, because I didn't see Anthony Hopkins there. Until Hopkins popped out. Yeah, he's like behind the curtain right behind. Oh, I must have missed that section, I guess. Because it, that was the only one.

I was like, wait a minute, that doesn't make any sense. Right. Yeah, I just, the ending, like you were talking about, the ending being really depressing. I agree with that. But something about that freeze frame at the end. I was just like, that was the icing on the cake for me that this was just,

I don't know, man, everybody has their own types of movies. This is just, you know, wasn't really my, you know, my bag so much, short of Hopkins performance, you know. So that's kind of where I'll leave it there. You guys ready to move on to scores?

Yeah, do it. All right, Santos. One to ten, man. We, we We can do decimals and whatever else. Same way you guys do the one through five. That's Vicksons thing. Yeah. On a scale of one to ten, I would rate the magic to film eight and a half. Wow.

I really love this movie. It still creeps me out to this day, which says something for me about his potency. If I had to rate the trailer, I'd rate the trailer a 20. It's just a fucking terrifying. But yeah, I give it a and a half. I think it's a great little psychological thriller. I'm going to go seven and a half

and a majority of it is Anthony Hopkins. This is a really strong performance. You can just see from beginning to end his just descent into madness and you know he's sitting there acting with a doll, a puppet. So

and it's believable what's the conversation is going on. seven and a half. Not bad, Philip. Yeah, I'm right around there. I'm gonna do seven. I don't think this is his best performance, but he definitely carried the movie. Had he not been in it, I think it would have been terrible.

Yeah, he made the whole movie. Yeah, it was the Anthony Hopkins show, this one. Still cool. I'd say check it out. All right, and yeah, I got a, you know, I hate to do this because I know you guys all really enjoy this and recommend it, But I'll go five and a half on this one. I liked it more than I didn't like it. Between the script and Hopkins performance and getting to look at Anne Margaret, I'll give it five and a half.

Are you guys ready to move on to the big one? Yeah. The big one. Annabelle Creation, the one we've all been waiting for. We're just excited, Santos, that we finally get to get back into horror for a change. We've been doing fun. Yeah, no kidding. Superhero shit.

and, you know, you know, where I'm coming from. Yeah, exactly. They're still fun to watch. Oh, I love them, but, you know, when you have the word horror in the name of your show, people want to hear horror. We catch a lot of flack for that, but, you know, we talk about what we want to talk about, ultimately. Right. Yeah, summer blockbuster season.

What are you going to do, you know? And it's summer blockbusters, exactly. And if you're a superhero fan, well, you know, shoot. And all of us are superhero fans. That's what they're going to watch. Yeah. And the sci-fi, we like to get the sci-fi stuff. And that was my other favorite movie of the year.

I don't think you liked that one either, Santos, Valerian. Oh, man, you know what? I really, I loved, like, the first half-hour of Valerian, and I loved the entire look of it. I still think it looked amazing. I mean, the trailers had me so... My fucking panties were so wet every time I saw the trailer for Valerian because I was like, oh, it's going to be amazing. It's just going to be amazing.

And for 30 minutes, I was, this is great. But then it kept going. And while it still looked amazing, there wasn't anything that wasn't amazing looking at it. This story was really bad, I thought. And I just don't like Dane DeHan at all. I just don't like that guy. I just want to punch him in the face so badly. I just want to hit him.

He just... He kind of looks like you already got hit a couple of them. He's not by a Spanish guy. He got to get hit by a Spanish guy. He just drives me nuts that guy. I think he's totally miscast, is hilarious. I really do. But what do I know?

What do I know? Well, you're in the same boat as 99% of our listeners because that's what I kept hearing shit about over and over and over and over again. So much so that we even had to make a question, I think on our Facebook group. All right, if not Dane DeHan, then who, you know? And yeah, we got a lot of probably better ideas, true. But as I said, and I'll stick with it, guys, Dane DeHine was, what is the word I said, fine.

He wasn't good, it wasn't great. I'll agree with you. He was serviceable. I'll go that far. That's kind of the same concept, I guess. Isn't that? I don't want to say fine. It sounds too complimentary.

I'll say serviceable. You know, it was personal at this point. I just don't like the guy. I don't know. I, God. A lot of hate for that movie.

I'll buy it, though. Yeah? Yeah. When it's terrible, I will buy it. Oh, yeah. I'll buy it in 3D. That's saying a lot right there.

Amazing. Right. If you're going to see it, go see it in 3D while it's still in the theaters. Get to it. See it in 3D. It's amazing in 3D. Yeah, because it will,

unfortunately, it won't be. be in the theaters much longer either. I think it's gone already. I'm sure it is, man. I'm sure it's $1.00 theaters at this point. Yeah, it went to least. All right.

Well, let's perk it up here and talk about the new movie Annabelle Creation. Director was David F. Sandberg, also known for Lights Out. Okay, now I get it. Now I understand. That makes a lot of sense. All right. writer Gary Dauberman, also known for Annabelle and the upcoming It remake. Didn't know that.

Talatha Bateman playing the leading role as Janice is the older sister of Gabrielle Bateman, who starred in Lights Out. There you go. Full Circle. Lights Out was the feature film directorial debut of Annabelle Creation's director David Sandberg. This was originally scheduled to be released on May 19th, but it got moved to avoid competition with Alien Covenant. They didn't have to worry about that.

Yeah, I don't think that one did really kick ass in the box office either, but... No, I didn't. Yeah. And you guys know I liked it. I'm not bad at it. Of course. I kind of liked it, too. I didn't hate it.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm just talking to stupid scientists who should know better. Stupid people. You know, it's like, he's a robot. Leave it alone. Right. Well, what about this one, Santos?

What do you think about it? Annabelle creation. I'm scared. I got the, I, listening to what you were saying, that your tone of voice there, like, I'm scared to say that I really, I really, really, really enjoyed this movie. Yeah, that's good. Far, far, far more than I expected to. Because Annabelle was a piece of shit.

Okay. Well, I thought it was a piece of shit. I'm sorry. Maybe you guys liked it. I thought it was terrible. You're not wrong. Okay. Yeah.

And so I was expecting this to be a big. I mean But fuck man This I mean Seriously this movie literally it scared me At point yeah And I'm sort of jaded It's it's though you know

Dolls scare me Granted But this doll doesn't do anything And it's not about the I mean She just looks creepy She's not she's not running around doing shit So it's just her you know

Her image is creepy But there's a lot of creepy stuff In this movie man And I found myself A couple of times You know when When you're so, when you can't take your eyes off the screen and you know you want to, and you have a handful of popcorn and it's in front of your mouth,

but you can't put it in your mouth because you're like sort of too scared to move. You're just staring at the screen waiting for the jump or whatever's going to happen, you know? And I found myself doing that more than a few times. It's while just frozen with, well, not popcorn, but a Nathan's French fry in my hand. It's waiting for, you know, like, oh shit, but. what's underneath that fucking curtain that sheet why is that what what why

who's thrown the little ball back from the little pop gun thing that she is stuff like that I was really uptight man tense and I appreciate that I mean there's scenes in this movie that the tension is like nerve-wracking for me I was like yo and again it's not scared it's not easy to scare me really nowadays because I'm sort of jaded you know but

I was legitimately uptight right through most of the running time of this movie, man. I think the script has, you know, plot holes you could drive a truck through. Yeah. And I think it's a testament to the director to, I'm sorry, you know, David Sandberg, yeah, that doesn't even matter. The script problems, they end up not mattering to, you know, to the overall. effectiveness of the movie. He made a really

great movie without a really good script. That's the way I felt about Valerian. Yeah, exactly. He wrote that script true. I mean, he wrote and directed it. Oh yeah. That was a passion work for him. He put a lot of his own money into it. Oh yeah, his years in the making, man. Oh, well. But Sandberg didn't write, David,

Garry Dalman, like you said, wrote this one. And then, I don't know. He wrote the It and the It Remake, too. And I'm not, now, I'm worried about that now because I'm like, shit. I know, right? That was my first time. I didn't realize this guy wrote Annabelle. And now I'm like, at least he's got a Stephen King novel to follow as a template, you know?

That's true. That's true. And the trailer does look really good for it. So we'll see. But yeah, this animal creation, man, I was really, I was pleasantly, pleasantly surprised. I thought it was really well mad. I thought the acting was on point. Those little girls are great.

Lulu Lulu Wilson is really, really great. The little girls acting was great, but I'm going to disagree with you on some of the adults acting. I'm sorry. No, well, that little girl bugs the shit out of me. I don't know why. She irritates the, she's the chick from Ouija, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. She bothers? I don't know, man. The overacting. She bothers the shit. Adam. Really?

You know, Yeah. She was okay. I'm not going to disagree. I'm not going to disagree. I think she does overact a little bit. I'm not, but I think it works for this kind of,

for this kind of role, for this kind of movie. Yeah. She'd set up dramatic role. It would be really awful. Like it didn't, yeah, it didn't take me out of the movie at all.

She was, she was still good in it, but like there were some moments when I was like, oh, come on with eyes. She works with eyes, hardcore, dude. Yeah. She bugs them out of her head like something.

I don't know how she does that. It's like a special effect onto itself to where she buzz out of her eyes. But I thought she was really good. I thought she was really great in Ouija, too. You know, I know what's interesting. I wrote a review for this for HoronuS.net. I write for Horonuys.net as well. And I just submitted it today.

I forgot to do it yesterday. I had to do it today. And it hit me while I was writing. I was like, this is sort of like last year's OuernieG Origin of Evil. the sense that it's a sequel to a movie that really didn't deserve a sequel at all that's so much better than, you know, than the first film. It hit me while I was doing it. I had no idea that, uh, that, um, that it could be done like two years in a freaking row. Like, it's, it's just amazing, especially, especially with movies like Ouija, the first Ouija and, and the first animal, which really worked.

Like, I still haven't seen that Ouija. I refuse to see it. It is awful. Yeah, you're not as much. I knew, but like from the trailer, I knew. And I remember we had such a laugh because Doc was really hot to see Luigi, man. Oh, yeah, for weeks. Like, when they first released the trailer, he was like, oh, man, this is going to blah, blah, blah.

And we were like, Doc, it's going to suck, dude. He's like, no, it's not. I'm telling you. It's going to be the, it's, you're wrong, you're wrong. And he went to see it at a screening, and he texted me. And he's like, dude. This is going to be so bad. Told you. We told you. I don't know. He didn't believe us.

So just on just because I just refused to see it. I was tired of seeing bad movies, you know. And I was hoping it would flop, but it really did well. Amazingly, it did well. So I was like, shit, they're going to make a sequel. But that sequel was really good. I mean, I loved it. They took it and they, they flipped, you know, they made it a prequel. Just like they did with this. This is a prequel. It's a prequel to a sequel that sucked.

It's amazing. And in both cases, they did so much better jobs with the sequels. I'm gobsmacked at that. I just, I think it's amazing. I hope that, well, no, I don't want to say, I hope that trend continues because I'd like to see original films be good, you know, and they get sequels that are good. But shit, it works for this.

It's a great movie. For me, I don't think it's, it's not my favorite movie of the year's old form, but it's, I think it's the scariest film I've seen at the years old form. Damn, it's pretty strong words, man. Oh, yeah, I think it's the scariest one I've seen. Philip, it's like, you had a pretty good time, right? Yeah, it's, uh, this was, this movie was kind of like getting in the ring with a guy that's 50 pounds out of your weight class.

Like, he's, uh, he's throwing big old haymakers that you can see coming a mile away, but that doesn't make them any less scary. And when they hit, they hit hard. Right. It was, the story was a little lacking. That little girl kind of bothers me. But I kind of like her too at the same time. But, man, they had a lot of scenes just in particular.

And, like, just you could watch that scene alone, and they've got, like, six of them, where it's just, it takes you from, like, goosebumps and scared to, like, this, desperate, like, there's nothing you can do about this situation type things, and then, you know, it leads you, it tells you the jump scares coming, lead you right into it, and it's still fucking scary as hell, man. It's, uh, yeah, I, I really enjoy it. And, okay, here's, here's the thing. I apologize to those douchebags that I bitched about in the, uh, in the, the, the planet of the apes movie. Oh, no. Were they back? This whole theater was out of control. They were crazy.

There were fights about like where they were going to sit. And somebody had their cell phone out for the whole first half of the fucking movie. And people are yelling at the screen. And now, okay, there's a lot of moments in the movie also where you're like, why the fuck are you doing that? Don't do that. And I know that because my whole theater said it. at the same time

but when they started on those scenes those probably six or seven each individual scenes man everybody shut the fuck up it was like that popcorn moment you were talking about you know yeah you just you can't say anything the detention is so thick oh yo I love

stuff like that it was like it didn't even take me out of the movie that's uh that's how that's how much this one sucks you in and uh yeah you're right with the plot holes you could drive a script drive a truck through. So many moments where you're like,

do you not remember what happened 10 fucking minutes ago? Why are you doing that? But when they did it, man, it was still scary. I thought it was kind of great. It's not as good as a conjuring too, but these conjuring universe motherfuckers know what they're doing. They know what they're doing. Yeah, they're definitely.

They know how to make a scary fucking movie. man. And we'll wait to get into spoilers, but it's I think it's going to be good. I'm excited. This is probably my favorite series of movies. I don't know if you can call it that, since it's all

one kind of universe. This is like the Marvel of horror. Absolutely, yeah. Definitely. Definitely. Good way to put it. Definitely. But I liked it, man. Yeah, for me, this one was a little bit kind of a tale of two movies. I kind of thought I was in two in two completely different films at certain times,

because on the one hand, you know, I'm completely with you guys that the fucking scares were fucking phenomenal. I mean, there were just some amazing scenes. There were a couple of times I literally jumped out of my seat, and I never do that. Absolutely never do that,

but this movie made me the, I don't, well, I'll talk about it in spoilers, but a couple of, I mean, there was just so much more to it than just the doll. I was expecting to see just an evil doll, and there were all these characters around the, the doll or a character that was, well, all right, got

to wait for spoilers, but yeah, but on the other hand, I just thought La Paglia and Miranda Otto were the Mullins, they were just sleepwalking through it, it seemed like to me. And I mean, obviously their daughter died, got, oh, and that was a brutal fucking scene.

Oh, yeah, and I actually I actually want to commend her parents for allowing her to die in the movie, because it looked like she got hit by the call for real. Oh, yeah. God, that looked. That was no freaking joke. I was like, how'd they do that?

That little girl just died for real for this movie. I hope it's worth it. Hey, that was the price of the same. It was blown away. I was blown away by that scene, man. It was uncomfortable. It was disturbed. That was like, oh, my God.

Yeah, but I, and I know they just lost, they, I'll say, just lost their daughter. They had lost their daughter 12 years before. this is spoilers because it all happens in the first 10 minutes, but they're going to be a little shell-shocked, but it seemed like they were a little, I don't know, man, they just didn't seem like they were into their parts as much as, because I know they're both, you know, very accomplished actors and they've been in a lot of different things. I just, I thought at certain times it looked like they were phoning it in, and that's just my opinion, but I thought the lady, Sister Charlotte was just fucking horrible. I mean, these- Oh, really? I liked her.

Oh, man, these corny little lines like, you know, oh, just pray, pray to God, be happy, be thankful that we've got a place to live in, and just so, and, you know, just milk toast innocent, but, you know, just a personal thing. You know, you've got a personal thing with Lulu Wilson and I've got a personal thing. Although she was pretty, she was a pretty cute sister. Yeah, excuse me. I thought she was fun. I thought she was not fine, yeah. I would watch that movie. All right. So anyway, at the end of the day, I had a, I had a spectacularly fun roller coaster ride of a time. the movie Brian what about you?

I'm there with you I just watched the first Annabelle for the first time last night and already knew this movie was going to be 10 times better than that one so going in this I had a little bit more faith but I'm just saying

I had a lot of fun watching this movie the scares were there I didn't really have a problem with nobody as far as the cast I thought the girl that played Janice was pretty good was that that was the disabled one right Yeah. Yeah.

I liked her a lot. Yeah. Yeah, I liked her in this movie. And there was some nods in there to the Conjuring universe that I liked. And yeah, you guys pretty much said it, man. This movie was just super fun. And it probably is going to pop up on my best of the year list. Sounds like everybody's kind of in agreement.

Santos, what's your score, man? Oh, okay. you guys do one to ten i gave it a four and a half out of five so that would that would be nine that's like a nine yeah nine and a half i yeah really good man i i loved it i really did i thought it was great philip are you up there um yeah i'm gonna give it uh an eight and a half i think it was uh i mean the scares were there and there's no denying that you really couldn't ask for a whole lot more out of a horror movie was just not great. But, man, directing,

awesome. Yeah, it was beautiful, beautifully shot. I was going to give it a seven and a half, but you guys reminded me of the fucking girl can't run over, and that gives an extra half point. So I'm going to go eight. I'm going to go nine. This is one of the better experiences I've had this year,

us in the theater with horror movies, and I recommend everybody go see this. and fuck who so. All right. Yeah, because this is, you know, you just, you said it's one of the better experiences that you've had with a horror movie. It's just, this is a horror movie, man. And they're a legitimately scary one. And there haven't been a lot of those this year.

So, yeah, man, and it's not PG-13 teenager shit either. It's rated R. And it has got its moments. It earns the rating. Yeah, it earns the R, man. And I think, you know, I'm really impressed with that. You know, the producers, the studio is not scared to make an R-rated horror movie that would appeal to teens and to adults. And they did it, man.

It's a good, it's a great movie. I can't wait to buy it. Yeah, I think it, wise choice for them to go for that R-rated for sure. Yeah. Yeah, because my wife was going to actually go see it with me. But at the last minute, she veered right. And so she, I said, where are you going? She said, I'm buying a ticket for.

Girl's trip. I'm not going to fucking see that shit. And I'm so glad she did. I could imagine that she would watch that with you. Yeah, no, she's freaking the fuck out. No, the Conjuring 2 gave her nightmares for months about the nuns. She wouldn't have, she wouldn't have handled this one. You guys ready to spoil her?

Yeah. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. All right.

Who wants to go first? I just want to say real quick, did you guys catch the spoiler? Speaking of the Nun? You're talking about the... At the end or in the movie? It's in the... When she's showing her the picture... Picture of her friends.

And he asked, who's this in the shadows over here? Sure. Yeah. That's a nod to their upcoming movie on the Nun. So I thought that was real cool. They threw that in there. Just kind of connection. and everything.

There's an after-credit scene, too. It's all the way at the very, very, very, very... Oh, there's an after-credit scene. Yeah. Yeah. No joke. My theater was fucking packed.

There were people sitting in each other's laps. I saw the first... Dumb-ass kids that I wanted to kick in the face. But anyway, but yeah, I was the only one in the theater when that one showed up. Oh, everybody had gone. It was creepy. I didn't think there were going to be any.

I honestly didn't think there were going to be any stingers at all. And I sat through the credits. up until the little bit with Annabel and mid-credit scene where right she turns her head ever so slightly at the day. Oh, there's a mid credit scene too? Yeah. Yeah, we missed two of them for what I hear.

And then after that I thought, okay, they're not going to do anything else. What else can they do? And I got up and I left and then Doc told me, he said, did you see both stingers? I was like, there was another one. And he told me about the nun and how fucking creepy it was. I was like, God damn it. God, damn it.

I missed that. It wasn't much, but it was still pretty creepy. Good excuse to go back and watch it again, right? Yeah, I should go back with the boy. The boy will take it. Oh, he loved it. It was scary to second time, man. I like it.

His pants, man. I'd love to see him scared. So, yeah. Multiple times had you response in this one. Yeah, I'll tell you what, that fucking scarecrow. That's what got me. When it started moving its head, they were trying to start the truck and get the fuck out of there, and that scarecrow starts slowly, slowly.

slowly moving every time And then it was gone. Oh And it was gone Oh shit. That was so scary. I liked the older chick too.

The oldest one in the group. I thought she did really well. I thought old girls did well. Did Okay. When when the girl in the wheelchair, when she gets pushed into the barn, Yeah, sure.

Who is it that's pushing here? It's not the nun, is it? That's what we thought. When I was looking at it, I thought that was the nun. It really looked like it. Who was the lady with the bell? I think that was the nun, guys. The lady with the bell?

Oh, it wasn't Miss Mullins. Right? Wasn't it the wife? I don't think it was, because she was just in the bed the whole time. Well, yeah, it wasn't like legitimately wife. It was somebody aping the wife, trying to make them think it was her. Right. It was one of the demons, and it may very well have been the nun. I don't know. That's interesting. I never even thought about that. Shit.

I mean, it definitely wasn't the wife. She didn't come up there and scare them. She was scared shitless of this thing, too. Yeah, she got it bad, man. I was like, oh. Oh, I know, right? I wasn't expecting that, man. And, man, I wasn't disappointed when they did. Oh, yeah. I was not expecting her to end up like that. I was pretty sure she wasn't going to make it. But not like that, man. Like, damn. Like cut in half and was crawling after that? Holy shit.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They know how to be crea. With or without the Phantom of the Opera mask, huh? Mm-hmm. Which was effective. I dug it. I actually liked the little mask.

I thought it was, uh, and what was underneath the mask was shit. That she got it bad, man. That poor woman got it really back throughout the whole movie. Yeah. Mm-hmm. They did not like it. her character. Whoever you're

described to you. I'm going to fuck this. I'm going to fuck the girl. I'm going to lie. I got some for you. What the fuck was I going to say? I don't remember what I was going to say.

She just got it really bad. I wasn't expecting her to go out. She went out, man. Sort of reminded me of Carrie. They were there were there were there. Yeah? There were the way she was hung up on the wall. that with her arm spread out and their head took it over the side.

He reminded me of the way Carrie's mom got it at the end. And actually the little room where Annabel was hiding, or where they kept her with all the Bible pages on the door, reminded me of, you know, carries. Oh, yeah, of course. I was like, I wonder. I mean, I don't know. It was just me thinking too hard, but it reminded me of Carrie.

I'm sure they stole some ideas, you know. Oh, yeah, well, who doesn't? Who doesn't these days, right? that's something ever for jokes more I felt like though they maybe had so many

so many scenes that they had done that were just really amazing to watch you know the really really creepy ones but like that's where

kind of the writing comes in like by the time you get to the last two or three like really creepy scenes you're like okay

do you not know this shit is coming by now? You know? Stupid people. Yeah, right? And then I feel like the ending kind of lost it for me. It was, it wasn't as scary. I mean, you know, it's very formulaic.

You have to have, you know, the big chase scene at the end and all that stuff. But that stuff at the end wasn't near as creepy as like the first half of the movie. Sure. Well, yeah. I was, you know, as I was watching it, I think in terms of pacing and everything and the way it's, the way it was put together, it reminded me a lot of The Conjuring 2. Yeah. And it had that sort of pacing to it and that slam bang for now. So really, I mean, not similar in look to what happened in the conjuring, but in overall style and feel, it felt a lot like The Conjuring 2 to me.

And I honestly, I seriously thought like the Conjuring 2, I didn't think it was the scary as the first one. But I thought it was a really well, like a primer on making horror movies, you know? Like, you could study The Conjuring 2 in school. Yeah, we felt that way, too. I think we said almost something just like that when we watched it. Yeah, yeah, it's really obvious. Definitely scarier than the first one, though. That was-I thought the first one was scarier, though this one scared me.

The Conjuring 2, for sure. That's one of my favorites. And there weren't any moments in The Conjuring 2 where I was like, why the fuck are you doing that? Don't do that. That's dumb. You know? And there was like a thousand of those moments in this movie, you know? You're not talking about the well scene.

Yeah, that was one of them. That was a big one. Why, are you really? What do you think is going to happen here? But it's really, I think he like, I think the director Sandberg, like, you know, took his lessons from James Wan. And, and, and, and in terms of pace, I like lights out. I did do

Yeah For like the first 40 minutes Maybe or so But then it's like Okay you get it Like Right It's scary

For just so long And it's like well What else is there to it There's like It's basically jump scare the movie That's what lights out is That's what I think that's what Thomas

called it jump scare the movie And it's perfect It's what it is But it's a well crafted movie I just thought it It got tired As it got towards it for now But I think he took the lessons

from that and he really sat down and watched the conjuring 2 like a thousand times I think and then just put it all towards this and this is like I thought this was pretty kick-ass from beginning to end man it sets up its premise

really nicely it doesn't overdo scenes with the doll which is great because you know the doll doesn't do anything really it's the thing that's a tag yeah for sure sure so yeah

far not the creepiest thing in this movie at all no yeah exactly so I like that um I I I love I don't know what he's doing next um oh actually I do not that was actually my question

yeah I he's the next horror director jumping to comic book because he's doing a Shazam he's doing Shazam for DECC Oh come on man! Are you serious? Oh come on I was just about to ask you how do you feel about that.

Now, see, now I'm, I'm disturbed. I don't think a Shazam movie should be made at all, because it's Shazam. I don't know, man. Yeah, why?

What's the point? Isn't the rock going to show up in it as Black Adam? Is that the same one? Yeah, with, they still haven't cast Shazam. Yeah, I can say, who the fuck is

going to be Shazam? Either the little kid or the hero, you know? Billy Batson. I remember. That was the name of the kid. Right. He's in a wheelchair, right? Yeah, I know. I don't think Billy Batson was in a wheelchair, was he? I don't think so. I don't know. I see you remember he was crippled or something.

He was slunking. He was goofing around and just walking to the cave where all the Shazam crap was. Right. Oh, okay. Yeah, he is a, that's disappointing. I would like to see him make another. Horror movie. For sure. Oh, dad. Didn't they have lights out too? like weren't they working on that? I'm sure they are because it was a success, but he's not attached to it.

Somebody back there is not happy about Shazam. No, she, no, she isn't. She's a Marvel fan. Yeah, thank you. Ah, there you go. Yeah, much better. All right, well, listen, Santos, we really appreciate you coming on the show, man.

We've been listening to you guys for a long time over there. I am so chuffed at you guys that anyone asks me to do anything. The warden basically tells me to shut up and stand still most of the time, and that's what I do. No one asked me to do anything, so this is a blast, man. I listen to you guys too, and I'm glad you enjoy our show. I really enjoyed this. This is a lot of fun, and I like the way you guys have just put together. It's really cool.

I love that trailer park thing. That was fun. That was really cool. Awesome. We won't steal it from you. but by all means snail or snark or something

just just just don't sue us if something similar to do us if something similar to all right we we got to make some money somehow oh well shoot

damn then sue us go ahead because yeah right you'll get nothing you can we don't have it you lose

you get nothing all right well listen I think anybody It's safe to say, though, and all kidding aside, anybody that listens to the horror returns, you guys are going to absolutely love horror news radio. So where do we find, you guys are on iTunes? I know that because I subscribe to you.

You're on iTunes. You can download the app, the horror news radio app, where you have access to all the episodes, all the way back to episode one, four and a half years ago, which was the remake of Evil Dead. That was the first time we all spoke together. Yeah, at gruesome magazine.com, you can also find like the last 20, I believe, of our podcasts, and all the decade shows are on there, too. There are links for everything on gruesome magazine.com. But download the app.

It's easier. Yeah. Come to Grusome. Do you guys have an app? No, hell no. We're not to the app level yet, Santos. We should get one of those. Yeah, we should.

Why don't you get to work on that, Philip? You're the computer. You're the computer guru of the group. The computer guru. The computers 20 fucking years ago, man. We have Doc to do it. Honestly, Dave, myself and Thomas, we don't know Jack about any of this.

This is all Doc. Talking about like an appetizer. I wanted some practicals up into a bitch. Doc is the puppet master, man. We're just the puppets. Yeah. He has a, this is his baby. Oh, the, the, the podcast, the magazine, all this, it's just all on, you know, he's just

Doc's kid. We just, we're just here for the ride. And I'm glad he, glad he wants us along because we're having a ton of fun doing it. We can definitely tell. Yeah, you guys are super cool for doing that. Yeah, and Brian, Brian, you've been listening for, for a long time, man. So I know, I know you're a big fan. Yeah, I just have to say, man, it's a pleasure to speak in with you and having you come on

the show. Yeah. Yo, you know, so anytime, honestly, if I'm free, you know,

if you guys want, you know, just call. I'm done. All I do is watch movies and, and yell at my son. So it's like, you know,

just, I'm generally available for stuff like that. So yeah, man, just, uh, this was a pleasure. This was a lot of fun.

It really was. It's great to hear your voices. It's great to hear Lance's voice. So, I read his his Facebook text and all the stuff his messages the stuff he posts but I've never heard

the voice and I'm like oh I have a voice to connect to the name and all you guys you're all on Facebook yeah yeah yeah man let me up send you a friend request yeah man I have to get that together so well hopefully it'll be a better friend request

than the fucking movie friend request was you know you know I didn't see that one I didn't see that one I saw Pretty rough. What was the one couple of years ago? It was just like that. Unfriended.

Unfriended. That's wrong. Yeah. And I, that scared my son. I remember that. Oh, really? Yeah, I think it appealed to him because he was the right age. He was like 12, I think, when I came out, 13.

And it just, that's what he does. You know, he's always online with his friends. He's attached. His phone is attached to his face, you know. So I think it was made for that age. It actually sort of creeped them out. I thought it was... I think I laughed at it a couple times.

I'm sure you can't. Yeah, I think I laughed at times. Earlier when I said I hated the Internet, that's why. Oh, okay. That makes complete sense, my friend. Complete sense. All right, guys, well, listen, all you loyal listeners, as always, we want to thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of The Horror Returns.

We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. As you know, you can reach us at The Horror Returns at gmail.com. And thanks to our social media guru, Brian, you can follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Podbean. Just do a search for The Horror Returns. And look for us on iTunes. We're there as well. Next week, we're going to go south of the border for a special episode that celebrates the horror films of Mexico. We're going to be covering the night of one.

1,000 cats. Anybody's seen that one yet? I saw that theatrically, dude. Seriously, I saw that in a theater, man. So, shit, I'm old. I saw that theatrically, man. So, yep. Well, I know you're going to love,

I know you're going to love this one. Our second feature is going to be the devil's backbone. That's the end. My boy. That's right. Close personal friend of the Black Saint. No, no, don't say that. He'll sue me.

We're going to, next week, we're going to be joined again by Pedro Nunes. He hasn't been on the show in a while. I think he did the Carpenter show with us, Brian? Yeah, that was the last one. That was like episode number four or something, so it's been a while. Overdue. So, until the horror returns again, good night. Abracadabra, I sit on his knees.

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