The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #7: The Mist (2009) & Collapse (2015) (Reupload)

Episode Date: April 14, 2021

This week we joined by special guest Pedro Nunez of the Kayfabulous Lucha Bros to discuss Collapse and The Mist. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Greetings, listeners. You have found The Horror Returns. For all of you who delight in dread, fantasize about fear and glorify gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves that the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out to review a brand new horror movie or book. Then we go back and find a classic work with similar themes, looking at both similarities as well as differences. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same. from generation to generation, but also to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and the political climate of the times that we live in. Although we will always do our best to avoid spoiling the new release, sometimes it may be necessary to talk about certain details in the course of our conversation.

And we generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, so there will quite frequently be spoilers when we're discussing anything that's been out for at least a year. The other thing that we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be, too. I'm Lance, and with me tonight is my regular co-host, Brian, and we got a very special guest tonight, Pedro Nunes, aka Brandon Draven, from the K-Fabulous Lucia Brothers podcast. Pedro, tell us about the podcast, man, and where our listeners can find it and everything they need to know to check you guys out. Well, it's a wrestling podcast. We cover professional wrestling. We have our own little take on it as far as, you know, what we talk about.

We have a good time. It's something we don't take too seriously. You know, there's thousands of podcasts out there that analyze every match or every storyline, you know, and they talk about why certain things happen, what shouldn't happen. We look at it for a more comedic side, from a more fun side. And, you know, we figure, this is what we figured. We can't compete with those big podcasts. They have, you know, they have budgets, they have production values.

We don't have any of that. So the best thing we could do is use our own humor and try to do something different. So it's called the Capabulous Lucha Brothers podcast, and you can find it on Geekdom101.com. So if you go there, and there's other cool stuff on there as well. But that's one of our main things. right there the podcast awesome man so uh brian i know i know you're big into ufc do you check at any of the the wrestling as well oh absolutely absolutely big fan oh cool yeah you should uh i was saying oh yeah definitely um we focus a lot of old school wrestling brian so um you know if that's

your thing i don't know how old you are but um you know i'm i'm a child of the 80s so uh yeah i'm I'm 30. Go ahead. I'm 36. Oh, okay. I'm 36. I haven't. Yeah. Yeah.

And then, you know, we look at it from a more comedic point of view. You know, we do wrestling impressions. You know, we have quote-unquote callings, you know, stuff like that. Just because, you know, we have certain wrestlers from the past that will call up. We know, Ricky Morton is one of our more famous guest. Vince Russo calls in from time to time when we question his booking. You know, stuff like that. So, you know, the way we planned that podcast was just a couple of guys sitting in a bar drinking,

which is actually what we do, and having a good time talking about wrestling instead of getting that snobby, you know, analytical point of view that everybody else does. Yeah, I would definitely check that out. Cool. Sounds good, man. So we appreciate you coming on the show with us, dude. I think you're going to do another show with us in a bit, too. We're going to do a retrospective on a guy.

that I happen to know is one of, is one of your in Brian's favorite directors, right? That's right. I don't know if you want to give it away now, or, you know, we'll talk about it, quote, unquote, next week. I don't know how you do this year. No, that's cool, man. Yeah, we're, if you'll, if you don't mind joining us,

we do want to do a John Carpenter retrospective with you. Oh, definitely. I'll be here. Cool. No problem. All right, so anyway, let's start out with a discussion, as we always do, some of the highlights of what we've checked out this week.

Brian, you want to go first on this one? Yeah, I haven't really been able to check out too much. I haven't had a lot of free time. Last free day I had was around UFC 200. My daughter came, my older daughter came to visit, so we went and checked out Captain America, Civil War. Oh, okay. Yeah, other than that, I haven't been able to really,

my schedule has been kind of hectic the past week, so. Yeah, life. happen sometimes right guys yeah oh did uh i am currently in season two with penny dreadful if anybody's watching that here's the deal with penny dreadful i tried i tried to get into it i gave i gave it a i give it about three episodes to hook me in and it just didn't i mean it just you know it's it's it has those british sensibilities like you know the the the the plotting the i don't know it just wasn't my what i wanted in that show but i mean i know it has quite the cold following so um but it just it just wasn't my cup of tea.

Yeah, I agree. You know, there are episodes where, you know, you're just kind of waiting for something to happen. And they do kind of drag. They'll have another episode that something will happen and it kind of keeps you watching. So, yeah, I do agree. It's not for everybody. Yeah, because now they have the new show of Stranger Things that I checked a couple of those episodes today. And that show I really do like.

Oh, yeah? Yeah, it's kind of a little bit of a throwback of the Amblin Entertainment era from the 80s, You know, those old Stephen Spielberg movies, kind of coming of age, mixed with like some government conspiracy. I don't want to get too much into it because I just started myself. And there's already, you know, but mild spoilers. But, you know, people that are nostalgic for that era, people that like movies like Super 8, you know, they should definitely check it out.

Because it did hook me after a couple episodes. So I'm going to go, I'm going to check the rest of it out. Yeah, and it's Netflix, right? So you can actually kind of like binge watch them, I guess. Yes, exactly. So that's pretty cool. Awesome. Yeah, I love that Netflix format.

Yeah, but then you kind of feel guilty for a couple of reasons. A, by the time you realize you spend a whole day sitting on your couch, it's kind of too late to do anything about it. That's right. And B, it's like once the show's over, you have to wait a whole other year to catch, you know, the second season. Right. I'm saying. So it's like, it's not like the usual nine months or eight months when you're watching weekly. But you know what?

You know, what do they call it as first world problems? I'll take them. kidding. It's pretty cool to have that option, yeah. Anything else that really stood out for you this week, Pedro? I saw a couple films. I saw the Fun House Massacre. You guys check that one out? I've been wanting to see that one. Brian, you've got some insight on that, don't you? I haven't watched. I actually bought it. I haven't even, I haven't watched it yet. But I've heard a lot of good things about it.

It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. It's a, you know, it's low-budget film. but it has a lot of heart, you know, and that's one of the things that when you're into horror and the horror genre, you know, you have to look for movies that have heart and the soul, because that's what's going to distinguish from a movie that, you know, it's just crap when it has no budget. So movies like Funhouse Massacre, you could tell they were made by fans for the fans, and it was a fun time. I mean, it's a basic run-of-the-mill story.

I'm not going to spoil it because you guys haven't seen it, but it's a fun time. Yeah, that's definitely on my to watch list, so I'm glad to hear that you got that impression from it. It sounds like it was worth watching then. And then I saw another flick called The Last Heist, with Henry Rollins. You guys hear about this one? Whoa, no, but I love Henry Rollins. Dude, I'm a black flag fan from way back. Oh, okay, so yeah, so pretty much the premise of this movie, it's a bunch of bank robbers.

they go and rob a bank while there's a serial killer and they're, I don't know, trying to make a deposit or something, but he's in the bank while they try to rob it. And, you know, the serial killer happens to be played by Henry Rollins, so, you know, he's going to bring a lot of character to that part. And so that's pretty much where I'll leave it at. You know, that's the premise. And it's pretty cool. It's a little, you know, you have to kind of stretch your imagination a bit for some parts.

Because at the end of the day, at the end of the day, it is about, five, you know, fully armed man. Well, there's a chick in there, too, against one dude, you know, and so there's going to be some wackiness involved with that. But other than that, it was a fun time. I liked it. Pedro, come on, dude. It is Henry Rollins, we're talking about here.

Come on. Yeah, he didn't get on his soapbox in this film, though. I'll give him that. Right. That was pretty cool. So you were referring to some of his spoken word tours that he's done, huh? Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm a huge punk rock fan.

I'm actually going to Riot Fest to see the Misfits in September. Oh, you're lucky. You're a bastard. Yeah, I'm going to go check that out. You know, bad religions playing social distortion. It's a good lineup. And so I know Henry Rollins very, very well. You know, I know all these political guys, you know, the Jalo Biafras, the Henry Rollins,

all these guys that tend to get on their soapbox. And, you know, sometimes you agree with them. Sometimes you don't, but they certainly have a lot to say. Cool. Yeah, man. Well, I'll tell you what, I can't believe I hadn't heard of that. So I'm really glad you told me about that. The last heist, right?

Yeah, yes. And it should be on video on demand already, because that's where I saw it. I'm writing it down right now. What else for you, man? I saw Sal, the Stephen King adaptation. That one was a horrible movie. How do you really feel? It just suck, man.

It just, you know, straight to video, Samuel L. Jackson and movie 175 of, you know, that he does every year. Right. You know, John Cusick collecting a paycheck. So that's pretty much it. That's, it's just, if you've read the cell, you know, it's just a horrible adaptation on that movie, which is part for the course with Stephen King films. Yeah, for the most part, sure. For the most part, except for, you know, one we're going to talk about today, which is a great fucking movie.

Right. So, so, yeah, that's pretty much what I have, you know. I mean, that's what I've seen as far as horror is concerned and the topic of this podcast. Because I saw The Purge, but you guys talked about it, I believe it was last week, so I don't want to get too much into that. Well, what did you think, man? I'll tell you what, what would you give it on a scale of 1 to 10? I'll give it about a 6. I mean, you know what?

I'm a sucker for that premise. You know, I'm a sucker for, I love that whole genre of, like, when you're inside a house and you're trying to hold something from coming in, you know, that whole idea. So that's probably my favorite subgenre when it comes to horror films is that whole trying to keep something out, you know so whenever whenever they do that semi-ride i'm i always you know i always go in for it just seeing the wackiness and the concept and i think with every one of these that they make they're getting better and better at it you know you're never going to have you know citizen kane as style movie because that's not what these movies are made for but uh you know as far as just a fun ride you know and just going along with these characters uh especially with like with the frank grillo character

that has already a little bit of character development already established from the previous film. You know, it was cool. I wouldn't have let like 15 years go by because the guy didn't age as today, but besides that, you know, I thought it was a pretty good movie. Okay. Well, it actually kind of sounds like you, you and Brian were pretty much in agreement on that and also the fact that Brian, didn't you say you thought each film in the franchise got better than the one before? Yeah, absolutely. I think the whole element, you know, they kind of seemed like the third one seemed a little bit more action. And I kind of appreciated

they add a little bit more action to it. Right. The thing about the second one that I remember that I really love the first act. The first and second acts were phenomenal, but it loses a lot of steam in the third act when all the stories kind of merged together. That's when I kind of fell off of that movie.

But the third one kind of keeps a steady pace throughout. So yeah, they are getting better and better. Well, as far as what I watched this week, I really didn't, you know, I didn't check out too much horror. I did see one that I want to mention, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with our normal subject matters called, have you guys heard of this one? Pop Star, Never Stop, Never Stopping?

I watched that one this week as well. The Lonely Island movie? I thought it was hilarious. I really loved it. It wasn't what I was expecting. For some reason, I thought it was a movie kind of like that Walk Hard, the Dewey Cock story or something like that. but no man it was it was just a straight up mockumentary just like spinal tab and um they they got a lot of

really really talented musicians to show up there as a i guess as a lark to like you know talk about how good this band was and you know talk about how popular the you know the dude is in his solo career i was pretty impressed with what they put together on that one yeah yeah the only thing about that is that and we're talking to our mutual friend uh danny louis about this uh because i i messaged him right away was when arcade fire comes out after he shared his story with us how they were in the theater he was in and they were you know to use a wrestling term popping at their own jokes right um i thought they had like you know maybe about a two three minute came or whatever and the this arcade fire they were only in the movie for like a couple seconds and i'm thinking they bust up laughing

right a couple seconds worth you know what i'm saying so it was uh it just it just made denny louis story even more wackier than it originally was. Yeah, as if it needed any help, right? Exactly. All right, so that's it. That's it for the highlights. All right, so now it is time to take a little trip

to the trailer part. We take a look at the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? The first one we're going to talk about is Morgan. This is a Ridley Scott

produced movie. It's got Kate Marr in it. A lot of recognizable actors. How did you guys feel about this one? Well, I got a, I got a, one of my favorite films of, I think is like 2009 when it came out, was a movie called Hannah. Did you guys check that

one out? Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that one. Yeah, I got a, I got a serious Hannah vibe from watching this trailer, guys. Well, it's the same motif, you know, you got the Hannah vibe, you got the kind of the Lucy vibe. You know, now we got Morgan. You know, it's like naming hurricanes, you know, they're just picking on a name out of a hat,

giving it, giving it over to the movie. And so, you know, now we got Morgan. And, you know, it's not really reinventing the wheel here. I mean, other than the, they got some pretty good people for it. And like Brian was saying, it's got a good producer. Now, who's directing this, do we know? Yeah, because that could make a pretty big difference, you know, depending on who's behind the wheel.

It sounds like a Luke Besant film, to be honest with you. No kidding, though. female empowerment and everything, right? It is directed by Luke Scott. Luke? Okay, well, I had a part of it, right? And he's... Right?

But this guy is Luke. That's Luke. This guy is Luke. He's a French guy. Luke is on. He's checking him out. He's directed. He hasn't done much.

No. Let me ask you this. Is he a writer or something like that? Did he start out as a writer or anything? I think so. He says he does some screenwriting. second unit director he's worked on stuff for uh exodus gods gods and kings uh the marshal right all right well he's already on negative stars with me then no kidding no kidding he's actually

like he's a second rate second unit director yeah he's actually rindley scott's son oh that that answers everything right there i guess we'll see what happens yeah i'm not i'm not too interested in this one it just seemed like another we shouldn't be creating new, you know, superhumans type movies. Yeah, I just wasn't interested in this one. I believe it comes out in September, which we all know is Dump Month for all the studios. Sure, sure.

It's either going to go on Dump Month, because I think on the trailer I saw the date of September something, or it's going to go straight to a video, you know, straight to video on demand or iTunes and all that stuff. Hey, maybe this guy will blow us away. I'm just not expecting it. Well, the trailer is, it's a cookie cutter trailer, so I mean, whoever cut that trailer, we'll see what happens. I'm going to watch it because I watch everything, so I'll give it a goal.

Cool. Yeah, you are correct. It's September 2nd is the release date. Okay, yeah, that pretty much answers everything right there. There you have it. That is the week, a couple of those weeks actually, in early September when the studios are like, we don't believe in this project, so we're going to throw it out there and see what happens. It's always September day and the January days.

That's right. you know, dump months. But it's weird because we do have some jams through history on dump months. There's been some good movies out there, but they just don't believe in them and they just throw them out there. So just because they're out there in September doesn't mean they're going to suck. It just means the probability of them sucking is higher than usual. Right. That's a real good point, man. So we shall see, but I'll tell you guys, I'm not, I'm not exactly pumped about it, not from the trailer, you know. Okay, we're going to be moving on to our second trailer, which is another Blumhouse,

productions, it's viral. Viral. Yeah, that looked pretty interesting. I mean, it kind of looked like it was made for a younger crowd. It's kind of hard to tell, guys. I mean, I couldn't tell if it was like, did this have something to do with like an alien presence of some sort? Or was it sort of like a 28 days later thing? I mean, what did you guys get from it? Okay, so there's a couple of little films that this reminded me.

First of all, there was a film that came out a couple of years ago contracted with, you know, kind of talking about STDs. Absolutely. That was a pretty good, pretty good little movie. Yeah, the girl has, she has a one-night stand, and then she ends up by little by little turning into something. We never really know what, but it's something, you know, out of this world, it seems like.

And then another one that just came out, which is in the same kind of the concept, was a movie called Bight, which came out about a month and a half ago. Same idea. A girl gets bitten by, she goes on vacation, I believe it's her honeymoon. and she comes back with an infection in her leg, and then she just starts turning into this creature. And you could tell that film was made, kind of like, you know, Cronenberg's The Fly,

where it was somebody just trying to show off their special effects skills, which I have no problem with, because these kind of monster movies, it's called body horror, by the way, the subgenre that we're talking about. Right. This kind of body horror-style movies, they're kind of made so the special makeup effect artist could kind of show off what he has,

and the film, Bight, really shows it off, because you see the transformation happening, you know, as the movie's progressing, which is pretty cool. And, you know, towards the end, it gets really icky. So, yeah, so, so this viral seems like a more, let's just say more Hollywood-iced, you know, because they always got to throw the line there. There's a lot of lines they can't cross, a more Hollywood-ice style of film with the same concept, you know, and more teenagey, you know.

So you could tell when a concept goes through the Hollywood, the Muck Hollywood, process, you know, because I always feel that Hollywood has, like, they have, like, only a couple ways to tell a story, and they always get, they always get, they always get good scripts, and they just kind of run them through the washing machine, and then it comes out, you know, Hollywood ice, so that's pretty much what this movie reminded me of. But I feel like somebody who's not as dialed in as we are in the genre, they probably will have a good time with it. To me, I've just seen things that are a little more extreme and, you know, like Biden contracted, that I'll just come out of it already haven't seen this concept done better.

But to your average movie goal, I felt like the trailer was pretty fun. I think they'll really like it. Well, if it means anything, I noticed that the guy who directed this film directed Catfish. You guys remember that one? Yeah. So who knows, man. Who knows? Not much of a body of work to draw.

And I think he may have done a couple of the paranormal activities also. Catfish was the one that had that wicked plot twist. the middle of it, right? That's the one. And I couldn't tell if it was really a documentary or just like a mockumentary, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Well, there's a documentary on Netflix called I Am Blonde, I think it's called. It's essentially that story, but it's a real story. So I don't know if the filmmaker got it from there or if they're not related, but I certainly got that vibe when I watched it. So people should check that out. It's on Netflix. Interesting. All right. Yeah. And the release date on that is, it's actually come out pretty soon. It's July 29th. Wow. That's probably going to be a,

man, I haven't heard no promotion for that at all, so it might just be on VOD. Could be, man. I haven't heard anything about it either until now. It's also dimensioned films, which, you know, they used to be the shit back in the 90s, but they don't do squat now, so they're also going to, they're also involved with this production. Oh, actually, I just looked it up yet. It is going to be through video on demand. Okay. Right dimension films, yeah. So I wonder if that's still the Weinstein's horror division, because it was for years, but then they sold their company, so it might not be anymore.

But anyways, I'll definitely be checking it out. Yeah, I was just going to say, I'm going to go ahead and check it out. I mean, it kind of looks interesting. I'm not sure, you know, like you said earlier, I'm not sure if it's a virus thing or if it's an alien thing. It kind of, it's kind of like two different trailers. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I got that same impression.

It's like the first part of the trailer seemed like one movie and the second. second half seem like a completely different movie to me. And it is a found footage movie, right? Because that's another thing. It's also a found footage movie. Is it? That's what it seems like to me. I'm not a big fan of those guys.

Typically. Well, I mean, there are just so many of them, you know? That's the problem. Bloodfather starring Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson. We were just talking about him last week and whatever happened to him. Or maybe that was a couple of weeks ago. You remember that?

Yeah, this is the return. and Mel Gibson. All right. Yet again. I was going to say, you beat me too. We said that about three, four times of the last five years.

So is this really the return? Or if he's just picking his head out the window again and going to go back wherever a hole he came of because, yeah, he's, I don't know, these kind of films ain't going to do anything for him because the 80s, you know, motif of being an action star,

that kind of doesn't fly anymore. Right. That's what it seems this is, this is kind of turning out to be. there's a there's a movie called a standoff with a thomas jane and uh and larry fishberg that came out about i would say about six months ago that reminded me of this film because uh it's that whole thing about how like you know one man wants to do good and something something or someone comes into his life and he's got to do the right thing for her in this case it seems like it's a girl and you know without

them ever meeting each other and that kind of drives the plot and we've seen it before but uh mel gipson's a very charismatic man as we know so he might be able to pull something off and the trailer looks pretty good so this is another one that i'm going to check out yeah i thought uh i thought the gringo was pretty good you guys see that one yeah i thought it was good as well that was good now the beaver sucked i i never caught that one yeah well that's okay you didn't miss much didn't miss much and then of course he showed up in um my Chatee kills. You remember that?

Yeah, I hated that movie. Oh, and the Expendables three, right? Wasn't Mel in that one? Yeah, for a minute. For a minute. Well, that's right, he was. Yeah, they had the biggest throwaway scene at the end where you thought him and Stallone

were just going to have this epic fight at the end and it was about, what, a couple minutes? Never happened, did it? No. No, but to me that franchise, the one, The one guy that I didn't use to his full potential was John Cloud of Van Dam. That's the guy that really got wasted. I mean, when I saw, when I heard about Part 2, and I heard that John Cloud was going to be the main villain,

Jim Villan, you know, get it, Jim Villan. He, you know, he was totally wasted. He was hardly ever in the movie and they didn't use them to his full potential. He didn't even do the splits one time, and that's what I was waiting. You know, I was like, what the hell is he didn't give us? He did give a pretty cool roundhouse kick, which I did. get excited for because i didn't bring back remember that but we but he didn't bust out the splits and uh same thing with mal gibson he kind of got wasted as well you know all right guys well i i got to tell you i'm

i'm not thrilled about any of these three uh this week so hopefully next week we'll look at some better uh brian what's in the news this week okay uh we're gonna uh movie we've been talking quite a bit uh the the it remake oh yeah they've just uh recently came out they're they're actually changing because they're going to split the movie into two. Well, we knew about that. I think you told us that a couple weeks ago. Yeah, so in the original, it was set in the 50s. They're actually going to change it.

It's going to be set in the 80s now. The original part when they're kids? Yes. Oh, boy, I don't know about that. Well, that's going to hit me in Brian's generation because we were little kids, so it might work. Yeah. I just don't know what's going to do to the story. Yeah, that's why I was bringing it up.

Do you think it's going to hurt the story, or is it going to be okay? Well, it all comes on to the presentation because the thing that made part one was so good was the actors themselves just delivered an incredible performance. I'm a bigger fan of part one than I am of part two. When, you know, during the second half of it, that's when I kind of tune out. I'm not the biggest, once they're adults and they come back to the town. It kind of loses a little bit of steam with me. The real story to me is in the innocence of the first half, you know,

and how I really like how, I forget who direct, was that, that wasn't Mick Garris, right? I forget who that was, the directed, the It for Television. But just the way he presented kind of this suburban neighborhood and suburbia itself, you know, and it's contradicted by this evil, like this Pennywise. So I was really, you know, I really love that. But the second half kind of loses a little steam for me. So it's going to be the same thing with this one. It's like, you know, the good thing about the 80s is that we're kind of on this nostalgia run with that era anyway.

So, you know, if they do it right, it could certainly work, you know. But it's going to come down to the people that they cast and the direction that they, you know, allow the movie to take. Yeah, makes sense. We'll just see how it goes. Exactly. And also, one of the things that made Penny White so scary in the first one was that, you know, he was very much a, he's not really into that. much and what happens is that they built to his presence in other words

when he came out it meant something there there was no cheap in the original it there was no cheap scares at all everything if you know if you see that movie again every single every single time penny wise comes out it's because the scare that's about to happen was earned through the plotting of the movie it wasn't

like like you know nowadays you have like a cat jump out of the window and that's a you know a boo scare or whatever they didn't have none of that in the original and I'm seeing I fear that we're going to have this trend where like you know just for the because the character itself of pennywise has grown so much and he's grown to mythical proportions it's like well let's just put as much pennyways as we could into the movie and it's like anything in life it's like the more you have of something the less you want is so i just feel like they're going to overexpose that character and that's going to affect the movie

that that's a that's a reasonable concern i can i can definitely see that kind of take the mysteriousness away a little bit speaking on penny wise um the actor who is playing him uh recently said, I guess he's not going to try to imitate Tim Curry and what he did. That's probably a good thing. So, but apparently Pennywise is going to be more childlike. Oh my God. What does that mean? Wow. That's, that's all he had said. He's going to make him, um, he's going to try to do his own thing and make Pennywise more childlike closer to the children's age that is in the movie.

Oh, God. now now okay okay so the actor said that he was going to try to be closer to the children's age this is not like we're going to see like a like a little kid in makeup of a no I think I think he means

more his mentality okay oh boy well that's funny because oh boy Tim Curry didn't exactly have an adult you know presence about him either

you know but we'll see what happens we'll see what happens with this one Now I'm intrigued. Yeah, we'll see. It's definitely going to be different, isn't it, Pedro? Definitely, but I mean, I don't know. That concerns me.

Ooh, man. All right. So I think we've heard it in the news the last, what, seven or eight shows in a row, and this is only our sixth show. Yeah, I mean, it looks like they're putting an effort into, you know, making something out of this. At first, when I heard they was remaking it, I didn't really even think it was going to happen.

Right. I didn't either. But it seems like. in the past few weeks, it's, it's going. After the Evil Dead, nothing surprises me anymore. That's the one that I always felt was untouchable. Right. But the good thing about that film is that they took a different approach to it,

and I always felt like they made it work because I like the new Evil Dead movie, the one that came on 2013. You know, I love that movie, too. They never even tried. First of all, there was no ash, which is about the best thing they could have done for that movie. Absolutely. You know, and there's only one ash in my book. And then also the story itself was, you know, was different.

So it's almost like you could even kind of make it a straight sequel to the ones that are already out there. It's just another story about another group of friends going to the cabin or whatever. So that was an example of a good, you know, remake dash reboot or whatever you want to call them nowadays. But, you know, they're not always, sometimes they're not always that good. Actually, most times they're not always that good. So we'll see. No doubt. Yeah, you're right.

That was one of the exceptions. That one was really, really well done. Okay, moving on to our next news item here is with the recent reports that Prometheus 2 is filming now. Sigourney Weber is really pushing for the Neoblochamp Alien movie to be made. Have you guys heard anything about this? Sure. Of course. And the thing about me with this Prometheus 2 and this Alien 5 or whatever, it's like how we had two quick servers right around the big screen.

You know, it's like, which ones do you go with? Do you go with the Quicksilver from X-Men? Or do you go with the Quicksilver from Civil War? It's the same thing here is that we got two franchises kind of not battling, but in a way they are battling because the market is only really going to accept one. Sure. But it's like, which one's the real sequel to Alien, you know? And then on one hand, you got really Scott's vision, which is the real vision.

But on the other hand, you got Sigourney Weaver, which is, you know, the heroine of all the films, you know, of the Alien franchise. So I don't know. I don't know what to the... Why do they have two productions going on at the same time about the same story? It's just weird to me that they're going that route. They've actually delayed the Neil Blomkamp one when Ridley Scott said he was ready to do Prometheus 2,

which is called Alien Covenant. Right. But she is really pushing because I guess he had sent her pretty much an idea what it was going to be. It was going to pick up after the second Alien movie. And he feels what he... he's, what he's going to do is going to give Ripley's character a proper send-off. Oh, okay.

Okay, I wouldn't mind that at all. Yeah, so in his version, they would be bringing back, um, what were the two survivors from aliens that was with Ripley? From the original alien? Are you, like, aliens? No, from the second one. Yeah, aliens. The little, the little girl, but she died in the third one.

Yeah, but if, if his movie gets made, they're the third, and aliens, resurrection didn't happen. Ah, shit. Here we go with that X-Men thing again, huh? We're talking about the X-Men, Pedro. Here's another one. No, but the thing is that, you know, it's like Alien 3 wasn't even that bad, you know what I'm saying?

No, I loved it, man. It's not going to go ahead and mess with that. Yeah, I don't know if that's the right thing to do. Yeah, because I did hear about that. It's going to be Alien, Aliens, and Alien 5, whatever that name ends up being. Yeah, Alien 3 was one of David Fincher's first movies, right?

Yes. Well, I believe it was his first. He was 25. Yeah. Okay. Because he had come out of music videos. That was his thing. All right.

And he had, he got the gig for Alien 3, and he had this entirely different vision of what the concept was. And then they ended up just fucking with it, tearing it all up. And then they released, you know, the studios version, which didn't make a lot of sense. And so it was a, it was a big flop. And then later on, when they released. that a big box it, that's when we finally got Finchrist's cut, I believe.

Or no, you know what? I don't think Finchrist's cut has ever been released, now that I think about it. Really? I'd like to see it, man, wouldn't you? Of course. Of course. And the thing of, did you guys ever remember? This is a little known trivia right here that very few people remember. The original concept for Alien 3 was Alien on Earth.

Do you guys remember that? Yes, I did hear that. I did, and I was looking forward to that. And I was actually, like, I remember being in school and, like, drawing pictures of what the poster would look like. So, I was I was really looking forward to that. I was super disappointed when it didn't happen. But I was still happy with Alien 3, even as it is.

I enjoyed it. Charles S. Dutton was really good. I like the fact that they didn't really hold anything back. They didn't mind killing people off. I enjoyed it. Yes, and the original alien design came back. Kind of, kind of. It wasn't exactly as the first one, but it was more alien than the alien queen from aliens.

Yep, sure. I agree, man. It was kind of back to basics a little bit. Yeah, because James Cameron didn't want to pay up to HR Higer, I believe, so he created his own design. No kidding. That's the reason why the alien, the xenomorph, looks different in aliens than he does in any other movie. Oh, man, no shit. Okay, I had no idea. Anyway, so we'll see, but it's like you say, I don't like when they start messing around with the continuity of these films.

Right. You know, and it's part for the course, right? I mean, I know comic book nerds, they have to deal with it all. time. So now I guess it's kind of bleeding over to the cinema world. Yeah, it looks like that way. What do they call it? Retrofitting or something like that? Yeah, the comic book genre created

different Earths. So it's like, you know, if certain certain characters are on Earth 1,075 and others are in Earth, you know, 85, you know, it just sure. That's how they keep the canon of their, you know, they create alternate universes. Yeah, Star Trek just did. that with the films.

So it's kind of a lazy way to just say, I'm going to be a lazy writer and I'm a cover for it. It's pretty much what it is. There's a lot of truth to what you just said. Well, is that it, Brian, for the news, man? One more quick thing, a little suicide squad talk. All right. Right now they're predicting it's going to open to 125 million. That's a big prediction because the equity, you know, Batman versus Superman,

on it is not really good. So I don't know where they got that number from. But I will say that a lot of the, I mean, the trailers have just been phenomenal. Probably the best trailers we've seen, you know, in the last few years, I would say. Just, that's the way you make a good trailer for,

for a movie, you know, that's how you, you know, get people who want to go see your movie. So just by that alone, I know I'm interested and I'm going to go check it out. But $125 million is a big number. From what I understand, it's, um, they've screened it for. a few people and it's actually getting better reviews than Batman versus Superman.

Yeah, and they're really kind of two completely different animals, guys, you know? And I mean, if you think about it, the Suicide Squad is probably, I would consider that a little bit more of a modern story than that Batman versus Superman, because I think that was just kind of trying to rip off the Dark Night Returns, the Frank Miller comic from the 80s. Yeah, and I think they've done a good job of not, you know, because we do know that Ben Affleck is in the Superman. Suicide Squad. He's going to have a cameo in it. Oh, he is. Okay. I didn't know that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I spoiled that. Well, the thing is, you see the Batmobile all over the trailers. So, you know, he's in there. And it's certainly a very, very, very loose sequel to that, you know, the DC Cinematic Universe. It's definitely connected to it. But I feel like the studio has done a good job of not even telling us that, which is a good thing. Because, again, you don't want the baggage from Batman v. Superman to carry. over to this movie. Yes. And that sense, they've done a good job of kind of allowing us to think this is a new story, you know?

As far as the movie's concerned, the thing about this movie is that it's an ensemble movie. So in other words, there really shouldn't be a lead actor in it. But when I see Will Smith, who's a very egotistical guy when it comes to his scripts and all that, it makes me wonder how much he's going to allow himself to, you know, to go to the side for a little while and let other people, you know, because as we seen from the trailer in the promotion, you know, Harley Quinn and the Joker are the ones that are really going to come out of this movie as superstars.

For sure, for sure. And he's going to kind of be in the background, but he's never been in that situation. So it's really kind of like an ego hit for him. But with all that said, this guy hasn't had a hit in years. So he really, so he, so he, if he's smart, he's going to allow that to happen because it's like, you know, I got a, you know, I can even remember the last time he had like an actual, you know, a hundred million dollar hit. And the thing about Will Smith is that he used to be the it guy for long.

time. So, you know, yeah, he's kind of desperate for something to hold on to here. So that, that whole dynamic interests me, you know, from the business side of movie making. And then, you know, the story looks pretty fun as well. So we'll see how that goes. Yeah, so I'm definitely going to be their opening weekend. Well, you can never get too much Margo Roby, can you? No, you can. No, you can. And I will say this about Will Smith. I thought Hancock was pretty damn good. I thought the first half was good. I thought, I thought as a dramatic piece, had they stuck to this whole notion of a person that has superpowers, but they're not really okay or come to terms with that,

and they're having their own issues as a human being, which is issues that we could all relate to, and they could have carried that through an entire movie. I thought the film would have been phenomenal. But the second half really turns into your, you know, run-of-the-mill, Hollywood blockbuster, good guy versus bad guy, standoff, and that's kind of when it lost me. But that first half is incredible, I think.

I agree with you there. All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. I have a piece of news for you guys that I want to get your guys to stand. thoughts on. All right. The Rogue One teaser poster just came out about, what was it, a couple days ago. Yes, I saw that. Did you, uh, did you check the feature ad out? No, I didn't check that out. What do they talk about there? It's kind of giving you a behind the scenes. It shows you some scenes from the movie. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm more interested than I was before. I mean, I definitely was going to go see it, but it's, it looks like a Star Wars war movie. That's the

impression I got from it. It's a, it's a war movie. See, I thought it was just a straight up heist movie. It's, I mean, it's got the heist element, but a lot of the, a lot of the stuff I've seen in the feature, it looked like they're, they're going to be going to war. Yeah, because I thought, the initial premise that I thought was going to be like the old standard, you know, mango on a mission movie, you know, where, uh, you get a bunch of rogues, uh, that don't get along and they have to go get some sort of information and, you know, and all of them make it out, You know, that, I'm a sucker for that story, that motif as well. So I think things have changed since then because, you know, we've heard about all the rumors of the reshoots and all that.

So we'll see what happens. Now, I also know that a teaser trailer, not a teaser trailer, the actual trailers got snuck into the internet from a screening that they had. It's probably out of the internet by now because they flagged all of them. And it was really, really blurry and it was done with, you know, somebody snuck a camera in there. So it wasn't really good. but Darth Vader does come out on the trailers, so that's something to look forward to. Yes. Yeah, the trailer was supposed to drop yesterday officially, but it never happened.

So should be any day now. Officially, the trailer will drop. Right. Yeah, we'll see. There's a lot of pressure on Disney because this is the first isolated Star Wars story, and I know they want to do a lot of them, so they really have to come out of the gate swinging for a home run here. You know, you don't want to get the impression that only the... Star Wars saga is worth, you know, the episodic saga is worth going out of your way to see.

You kind of want to give people the idea that every one of these stories, it's as valuable as the Star Wars, you know, episodic saga. So they really have to do a good job and give us a really, really good movie. Are you interested in the Han Solo one? Yeah, I mean, the Han Solo one, the Bubba Fett one. Then I've heard of a Dark Sidious one, which is one of the characters that I've always enjoyed, you know, how he came to power and all that. but but yeah to answer your question the hans solo one's definitely when i'm looking forward to

okay because that's the next one right because they're they're casting han solo already i think they were last time i've already they've already casted and i've never heard of him before that could be interesting or a bad thing no it's a good thing it's a good thing because you want that clean slate you want a fresh face you know you don't want anybody to be compared to the previous work or to uh the original Han Solo, you know, so it's a good thing that you want to get unknowns. That's a good strategy, in my opinion. Absolutely. I mean, Harrison Ford was a freaking carpenter when he got hired, so he was the definition of

unknown, you know? He had done things here and there, but, you know, he wasn't a superstar when he got the Han Solo gig. Yeah, I just looked up the new Han Solo's, I'm probably going to mess his name up. Alden Entridge? Yeah, I haven't heard of him. Never heard of him. And like you guys say, like you say, Pedro, that's probably a good thing.

I'm going to correlate it to an analogy that Mr. Brian Stitcher here would understand. If you put your typical UFC undercard in front of me, I wouldn't be able to pick them out of a lineup either. Absolutely. UFC has way too many. All I know is that they're bald and they have tattoos. That's all I know. So now on to tonight's featured attractions. We review and discuss the new Jason Morris film,

collapse, and then we're going to compare it to another fog at the end of the world film, Stephen King's The Mest. Anyway, as always, we start with a little bit of trivia. So I've got some trivia here, guys, for the movie Collapse. And Collapse was directed by Jason D. Morris, who's also known for Millennium Apocalypse 1 and 2. Jason has also worked as a writer, cinematographer, and editor on such films as betrayal and Story of Eva, both coincidentally featuring the inimitable Eric Roberts.

One of our favorites, I'm sure, being horror fans. Writer is Edward Martin III, also known for Flash of My Flash, and The Lord of the Rings, a choroidial epic, and I'd love to know what the hell that is. Seems like it might have the asylum film right before that title. It very well might. I got a comedy bent from it when I was reading about it. It basically said that it included every single chapter from the Lord of the Rings, including the ones that Peter Jackson considered, quote, unquote, unfilmable. Yeah, I may seek it out.

There's no such thing that's unfilmable when you don't have a budget. I guess that's it, man. I guess that's it. So the film collapse was shot in eight days, and that was actually two days ahead of schedule. The filming of the movie was designed to be an experiment and producing a film in a short time span. The entire cast and crew bunked in the small cabin that the film was shot in. The movie was actually shot for less than $3,000.

During filming, the lead actress came down with an intense allergy on the third day of shooting and she lost her voice. So when you think about, they filmed this thing in eight days and the lead actress lost her voice for a while, that kind of adds to the mystique. But she didn't get her voice back

until the second to last day of shooting. So what we like to do here, Pedro, since you're the guest, we'd like to give you the opportunity to kind of go first on your thoughts on collapse. Well, again, when I'm watching movies that have a budget that small, and I do watch a lot of them like that,

I'm looking, because I'm certainly not going to get wowed by what's on the screen. That's just not going to happen. You know, when you're coming out of a theater watching multi-million-dollar films, you can't expect that. So I'm looking for stories, and I'm looking for heart in the actual performances and in the direction.

That's really what kind of drives me to, for lack of a better term, put up with these kind of movies. Because a lot of times they are a chore to get through, especially when it's a bad filmmaker and it's bad actors, which, you know, when you have $3,000, nine times out of ten, you are going to have bad actors. With that said, I was never bored when I was watching this movie, which, which, you know, I think even though there's the middle section, like you were saying, they are in a cabin for the majority of it. The story itself kept moving, you know, and it never dragged, in my opinion. And so that was the good thing about it. For the first half of the movie, I was really, you know,

I was wondering where the drama was going to come out of because there wasn't no villain. And I was thinking, it's very hard to do a movie when there's no antagonist. And then obviously in the second half, you know, the girl kind of becomes the antagonist. And I was like, okay, well, there it is. And that's when the movie really picked up. Right. Now, hey, Pedro, we try to stay away from spoilers a little bit when we're talking about the new one, man. So be careful.

Don't go too far. But, I mean, what you're saying, I see where you're coming from. Yeah, yeah. Well, there wasn't any sports. I didn't reveal what girl, but, yeah, certainly. Certainly, you know, you have to have drama. You know, you have to have a situation that's driving the plot. Sure.

And that's what happens here. I was a little, there was some points where I was. like towards the end it was like well they got to do something here they can't stay in this damn cabin forever right and uh and uh you know that's that's again when the when the plot move forward so um no i i i had a good time

watching it you know for three thousand dollars and i will give i will give i love the editing i mean you never saw those weird cuts where it's like you know a lot of times when movies have no money where you what you notice a lot is the audio like you'll see like they don't have no post production budget so you'll see like the audio tones change you know like you'll see like a character

they're talking and they'll cut to the next scene and then you hear like a windmill in the back. You know, it's like, it's a whole different tone and you're like, what happened here? Right. But this, but this filmmaker did a great job of covering all that up. Everything synced perfectly together. I would agree. There was no awkward, like sometimes when you have no money, again, you know, I've watched so many of these films, I'm so used to this, like, that awkward just pausing when, when,

when they're done with the performance and then the editor doesn't know how to cut the right time. So you have that weird, like, nothing's going on for like a millisecond. Well, you didn't get any of that here. Yep. So as far as the production itself with what they had to work with, I thought they did a good job and it was a pretty good movie. Well, I would agree, man. I really enjoyed this movie.

When I was doing some research on the trivia and found out that they made it for under $3,000. My first thought was I would really love to see this writer and this director work together again somehow. and I'd love to see what they could do with a bigger budget. I thought a lot of the dialogue was really, really good, especially the main character, Sheila. I liked a lot of, and a lot of it kind of just

proselytizing and soliloquies and things like that. But everything she said kind of hit home with me and made sense. The part early on in the movie where she was out talking to the trees and what she had to say there about the human race, and a lot of the stuff toward the end, I thought that she had to say was pretty white. and I really like that. I thought the characters were pretty believable for the most part.

I didn't really see anything where I was thinking, okay, this is bullshit. These people wouldn't act this way in this situation. I thought it was really nice the way every character kind of brought their own dimension to what was going on and sort of added to the picture as a whole. So the writing was good, the dialogue was good for the most part. Like you said, dude, the editing for the budget, they were working with.

It was, the soundtrack alone, and I think the way that they mixed the music in, really impressed me, especially considering how long they took to make this and how much money they spent. What I really liked, I think, more than anything about this movie, was that it could have gone, and they even mentioned, as a couple of the characters were coming up with theories,

with what do you think this is, you know, what do you think caused this? I could have easily seen it at the end going in any of those directions. And quite frankly, I kind of thought for a minute I saw a lost ending coming up. And I was thinking, oh my God, if they pull the lost ending, I'm fucking out of here. But it wasn't the lost ending. They didn't cop out. And I think the way that they ended up wrapping it all up, you know, it made a lot of sense.

And I kind of thought this might be what it would really be like to be in this situation. So yeah, I mean, I enjoyed the movie, especially considering everything that we've talked about. Now, granted, the actors weren't exactly, you know, Shakespearean trained, the highest quality actors you could come up with. There were a few times when I could visualize other people playing the parts and maybe doing a better job. But, you know, on the other hand, considering these were all people we really haven't seen before, it kind of added a layer of realism, in my opinion. So, you know, my main takeaway was that I was happy with how they kept the pace going. I was very happy with the editing.

And I was actually happy with the ending. I didn't think it was a cop-out. Brian, what did you think? I totally agree with both of you. The story definitely kept me intrigued. You know, I just wanted to know what was going on in the fog. Sheila is probably my favorite character. movie also. Yeah, Heather had kind of a bitchy attitude. It was hard to like her, wasn't it?

Yeah. And there was some really nice shots in this movie. I'm actually impressed, you know, especially when I found out the budget of this movie. Now, let's talk a little bit of some of the, not many, but some of the negatives, okay. Sure. When they try to get, they were a little too ambitious with the fog scenes, I felt. And unfortunately, it didn't work because it kind of took me out a little bit, like especially when they're, well, I mean, there were certain situations that the characters were in, and it was like, you know,

it took me out of it because they didn't have the money to kind of, you know, and that's, and that is not their fault, but at the same time, I felt they could have done a little better job of trying to hide that, because they did such a great job of actually working with that concept, and then it's like, it's like I always say,

it's like if you don't have the money to show the entire monster, then don't show the entire monster, because it's going to take you out of a movement, movie. There's ways to do it where you don't show the entire monster. And right here, unfortunately, there was a couple scenes where they tried to show the entire monster, and it just, I didn't work for me. You had the same exact thought I did, Pedro, because I was thinking, with quite a bit more budget on this, they could have done a heck of a lot more with that. Right. But that's my only complaint. Now, one of the things that I'm going to, the positive,

is that, you know, we talked about some of the lines that Sheila had in this movie. You know, you're talking about the tree line, you know, when she's talking to the trees. I love that they cast an older lady because had it been a younger woman, it wouldn't have worked. They would have come off a little bit hokey. So I big props to the filmmakers for going, you know, if you're going to have a character that's going to spew out wisdom, they're going to have to be a little bit older than then, you know, because that's how you get wise. So they did the right job there. And so, yeah, that's pretty much it.

I mean, again, it was a nice little treat for me. I was not expecting to have that much of a good time with this movie. Brian, what were some of your favorite parts of the movie, and what would you take away is something that's a negative or could be improved on? Without any spoilers, I kind of felt like the ending was, maybe as me personally, it was just a little over my head, just a little bit. Yeah, I don't know about that. I did have to watch the final 10 minutes twice, and I'm glad, and let me put it to you this way, I'm glad I did, and I think if you do, you'll probably get a little bit more out of it. Okay. Hey, I will tell you this, not to interrupt, but I was really getting worried there at the very end that they were going to start going the religious, the Christian route. Were you guys at all?

Yeah, a little bit, yeah. So I'm glad they didn't do that. Yeah, it never got to the point where the message was like heavy-handed. You know, I never felt that at all. Never felt that at all. I mean, it didn't even go that route. And props to the filmmakers, because a lot of movies do go that route. And it's something we've always seen before.

We've already seen it before. Sure. it's an easy cop out yes exactly yeah and uh i'm uh for a favorite part of the movie i'm i'm gonna go again go with go with the sheila character not only you know was she wise but you know she never really lost her cool right you know especially in a situation like that and you know i i i like that about her character sure yeah i i would say the last uh 10 minutes of the movie or so that's probably my favorite you know when when things really picked up and uh you know took us to the conclusion. It got a little actiony which I appreciated. You know, again, they were very

limited. But for what they could do, it really picked up the intensity. And I like that. So that was my first part of it. So let me ask you guys a question. Have either of you ever read the novel or seen the miniseries of Stephen King, The Stand? Of course. I'm a huge Stephen King fan. Okay. So could you, is it just me, or could you guys picture that actress being a dead ringer for mother Abigail yeah definitely yeah she she carries the same motifs and uh yeah definitely i really i really thought about that when i saw her you know and you and the and the cool thing about this movie uh collapse is that it's much like the purge where you also know as as you're watching this film that there's other stories around the world happening at the same time that's right that's

right you know they're not the only survivors so we have other situations going on and, you know, it could almost be a little bit of a franchise, you know, where you have the same moment in time, but different parts of the world. Right. I would have loved to see, you know, the same scenario, but with people being outside and having to actually run for, you know, the entire movie being almost action base, where you're constantly moving, constantly running because there's nowhere to go. Right. And, you know, again, if you want to get yourself embedded in this world, you know that was going on as we're following these characters in the cabin. So when you're a writer, you kind of think about that as well. You know, is there potential for a sequel and would it make sense?

And could you, using the sequel, could you add to the original, which is the point that a sequel should always have? You're supposed to add to the original. You just don't remake the original. So definitely, I do like the franchise potential that this movie had as well. Well, one thing's for sure. I never thought I'd hear myself saying this, but for a movie that centers the action and a cabin in the,

the woods it was pretty god it was pretty god damn original that's right yeah yeah i think the last original movie i saw in cabinet of the woods was named cabin in the woods that's right for sure for sure well um anything else you guys want to talk about on this one are we ready for our scores or what just quick question uh would you want to see a remake of this if the director got a bigger budget absolutely absolutely that's just what i was thinking and if there was any way for this director and this writer to work together again, I really think there's some fireworks there, man. I really do. I think that the dialogue and the script went pretty, pretty well with the director's style.

See, here's the thing about low-budget filmmaking, because it's something I've dealt with them in the past. I actually have a background in that. What a lot of filmmakers, the mistake that they do is that they got no money, you know, and by no money, I mean something in the neighborhood of $3,000. That's the equivalent of no money when you're talking about. making movies. And what they do is they, they still want to do a concept picture, you know, and it's like, you can't, you can't, you can't afford to have a helicopter, or you can't afford to have a police station, et cetera, et cetera. So what happens is that with the limited amount of money you would have, you try to squeeze in all these things that you just can't afford, and it ends up ruin up your

whole story, because it's so transparent, you know. We'll see like a, we'll see like a police station in somebody's basement or something. It's so obvious that's where it is, and it takes you out of the movie, what these guys did and what good independent filmmakers do is that they write the script within their budget. They don't get as ambitious as these other filmmakers that want to just fulfill their concept, you know? So when you have no money, it really comes down to the characters. At that point, you have to write good characters to drive your movie because there's nothing else that's going to be able to, you can't mask poor production. You just can't do it. and if you have talented actors and a good script,

you could go a long way with that. So that's what this filmmaker did. You know, he saw his limitations. He understood them. He probably went to the cabin. It's like, you know, 70% of my movie has to take place in this cabin. So I have to keep the story going within this cabin. And that's where you start.

You don't start with, oh, I need fog all over the place because my movie calls for fog. And I just don't want to budge from my vision. so I'm going to make fog. So what ends up happening with that is that you end up having those sci-five asylum films where everything looks so fake and you don't give the characters a chance to develop and you end up kind of, you know, you don't make a good movie. So that's the difference between being a good independent filmmaker and a bad one, you know. And then sometimes a movie is so bad that ends up being a cool classic,

but that's the whole story for another day. Right. And I'm sure we'll do that show one day. And if we're lucky, you'll join us on the show, man. Oh, no problem, yeah. So yeah, I hear what you're saying, man. And I think he definitely, they found a way to do to do more with less. I think they focused on the right thing.

And you said the A word. You said asylum, so I'll kind of go there. I never got that impression watching this. I never got the shitty CGI or the crappy, you know, special effects for the sake of being cheesy. I always got the impression that everything was really believable. With the one exception, of course, being what you and I were talking about, and I think I know the scene you're discussing where they were like pulling on somebody and there could have been a lot more there if there'd been the money. But, you know, I mean, they got the point across, especially with what our wonderful bitch Heather did, right? That's right.

Now, there's a couple of examples that I would like the listeners to kind of follow through if they enjoy this movie. There's a couple movies that I want to see if you guys have seen. And there's a movie called The Battery that came out a couple of years ago about these two friends. Oh, man, I've heard about it. These are the two guys that are basically inside, were they baseball players or something? And they're stuck inside a car during the zombie apocalypse? They're in the zombie apocalypse and they're stuck inside a car. The majority of the movie takes place inside a car.

This movie was made for $8,000. Right. And it looks phenomenal. You know, it looks better than collapse. It's a better production. Right. But then again, they had $5,000 extra, so I guess that answers that. You see what $5,000 went.

Yeah. So, and then there's another movie called, I believe it's called Reservation or Preservation, the one where you have the two guys in the cabin. And one of them is a recovering drug addict. And his buddy wants to help him detox. So he handcuffs them to the cabin. And so he has them there for the weekend or whatever, you know, just bringing them food. you know just just trying to get them to detox cold turkey right and then shenanagan starts to happen around them that's another great movie i love that movie as well and again that one also had i think

something like a you know 20 000 budget still a low budget so there's ways there's ways to do these if you use your imagination and the thing about it is you have no money it forces you to use your talent and it's like the it's like it's like a shit will get off the pot because that's what's going to tell you whether you're actually talented to be a good writer or you're you're You're just kind of making a movie on all your nostalgic memories of all the classic scenes you've seen when you were a kid and you just built the whole movie off of that, you know, which in turn is going to leave you with all the tropes and all the stereotypes of a movie. So anyways, that's the whole deal. People should seek out the battery and preservation, I believe, is called. All right, man, I appreciate that.

And I've actually heard of both of them. And the battery, for some reason, I almost saw it, but I guess something else came up and I haven't yet. But I'll definitely check that out now. And I do apologize to the listeners. There was a little bit of a dog barking in the background there. That was on my end over here. All right. So you guys ready for scores?

Yeah. Yeah. Cool. All right. So Pedro, you know how the show works. You've listened to us a few times. So why don't you go first? Okay.

So I'm going to give this a – because I don't like to give – one of my rules is I never give a high score after the first viewing. I've got to see it a couple of times. Right. And I will see this movie again. But for now it's about a seven, taking everything to consideration. Hmm, okay, that's pretty strong, man

Yeah, a seven. Well, I mean, I think a eight and a nine and a ten is really strong, but a seven is a watchable movie. Yep. You know, I don't think the filmmakers embarrass themselves at all, like at all, you know, to be honest with you. Right. To me, that classifies it as a seven.

Well, as any of our listeners know, I have a history of being pretty critical. I'm not exactly a movie Nazi, but by the same token, you know, for anything to get above a five or a six for me is pretty much an accomplishment. I actually also give this movie a seven. And I would consider this

an incredibly well-done small-budget movie. And my takeaway on this is I would really like to see what these guys could do with a little bit more budget and some higher-name actors. But I think we're on to something here. I think both are either one of these guys,

the writer and the director, can go on and do some really good things. I'm going to give it a six and a half. That's not bad. I thought I enjoyed it, but I'm going to reserve the right to change my, because I think I might have to watch it one more time. Like I said, the ending was a little over my head. So right now I'm going to give it a six and a half,

but I'm going to give it one more. And I'll probably update that next episode. Cool. Well, this is one of those movies that I'm definitely going to watch again. There's no doubt about it because there's just so much going on on so many different levels. I know for a fact that it's going to be available on, you know, because every once in a while we'll tackle a real low-budget movie that's definitely not going to come out in the theaters.

But I know it's going to be available on Vimeo, and I think it's going to be early August. So if I can get that info, I will post it on our Facebook page for everybody to see, and I'll also post it on our main pod bean page, so everybody knows how to purchase the movie if they're interested. All right, so we're moving on now to the second topic. So Pedro, as I'm sure you know, our main gist here is to, you know, cover something new, and then we go back and find an older movie

that we think has a lot of similar themes or a similar vibe. So in this case, we picked the Mist, which was, of course, another Stephen King adaptation, It's based on his novella. And what's interesting is that the novella was based on a, it's really weird, a very, very old video game. Now, I'm the elder statesman of the three of us here, guys. So I'm guessing that I'm the only one of the three that has actually played the mist. Am I correct in that assumption?

Yes, I've never played it. Okay, well, this was probably, let me think here. I would have been either in, at the end of junior high school, or like a freshman or sophomore in high school. So it would have been around 81, 82. But back when our computers basically only had text-based gaming, this was a text-based game. So it was one of those things where it's like, you know,

you see a knife laying in front of you. If you pick up the knife, press A. If you decide to keep walking, press B. I mean, it was that type of thing. So I remember playing the game, and then the game morphed into a short novel or a novella, I think is about 102, 103 pages. And then, of course, it became this film. So the director and writer of The Mist was Frank Deribont,

which I'm sure a lot of our listeners are going to be real familiar with him, particularly as he applies to Stephen King adaptations. He's done a lot. Him and McGarris. Him and Mick Garris, you got it, my friend. Absolutely. They run the gamut of the Stephen King. Unfortunately, for Mick Garris, Frank Darabon has had the more critically acclaimed adaptations and also the bigger budgets.

But Mick Garis has a couple of good ones himself. So Frank Deribon is synonymous with Stephen King. Yep, I would agree with you wholeheartedly. And Garris has had some really good stuff, man. But Darabon is also known for the Shawshank Redemption, the Green Mile. And, of course, he was the big writer who kicked off a little, a little. little bitty TV show that some people may have heard of called The Walking Dead. At the very beginning, anyway, so Darabot wrote it and directed it.

At the very beginning of the movie, our main character, David, he sits in front of his newest painting, which, you know, we were talking about this, what, last week or the week before with a film adaptation coming out, Brian, is that right? Yes, sir. So he's showing a man with two guns, a rose to the right of him, and a dog. dark tower far behind to the left. This drawing shows Roland, a character out of the dark tower, a well-known series of books from Stephen King. This drawing is shown again sometime later after the storm, and David tells that the drawing was meant to become a film poster.

And I thought it was kind of funny that they mentioned that it was kind of funny. His wife said, well, honey, can you use it? You put so much time on this painting. And he said, nah, it's ruined, you know, because after the storm, it got blown out the window and scattered across the yard and broken. And he said, oh, don't worry, they can do some amazing things with Photoshop these days. I'm sure they'll just put like the main protagonist and the main antagonist together on a picture. And ironically enough, the Entertainment Weekly magazine cover that's coming out in a few months that they showed on one of the other podcasts that I think we all listened to showed a picture of Idris Elba and Matthew McCona

right there next to each other and that was pretty much it. I don't know if they did that on purpose, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Jeffrey DeMun, Melissa McBride, Laurie Holden, Juan Gabriel Pareja, Sam Whitwer, and Tiffany Morgan

were all in this movie and they're all in The Walking Dead, adapted to TV by Frank Deribon. Well, that's the whole, you know, like if you're a sense, a file, you know that a lot of filmmakers, they carry their guys with them, you know, project to project, you know, so that's not the new there. That's Darabon's crew. He always works with either all those actors at the same time or a few of them, but he always puts a lot of them

in their, in his movies. Well, it's funny you should say that, Pedro, because the next piece of trivia is that Frank Darabond actually wanted Thomas Jane to play Rick Grimes on the walking head. So... I don't surprise me at all. And I could see it. Yeah, so what do you guys think about that? How do you think Jane? Jane's on a really good show on the sci-fi channel right now called The Expanse. Have you guys seen that one? No, I haven't to check that out. I would tell you that Thomas Jane would want that because he is kind of on straight-to-video purgatory as well.

He's been hanging around there with the Eric Roberts and the Val Kilmer's and the Coor v. So he would appreciate a big payday like The Walking Dead, but ultimately it went to Andrew Lincoln. And so, no, but I'm a huge fan of Thomas Jane ever since Boogie Nights. You know, that's where I first saw him in. Sure, sure. And, you know, I could totally see him as Rick Grimes. I think he would have done a good job. Them are the breaks, I guess.

Right. It is what it is, right? Yeah, yeah. And he's got some solid work since then, so. The last piece of trivia, Frank Derbant, agreed to make the film with dimension, but only under one condition that no matter what, they wouldn't change from the scripted ending. They agreed, and the rest of the movie. is history. I'm sure you guys are familiar with Stephen King's quote that he, that Darabond

ended the film the way he wished he had ended the book? Yes. Yeah, yeah, because I have a story to say, but I actually have somewhat of an emotional connection to The Mist. Let's hear it, man. Well, when I was growing up, I read The Miss when I was maybe like, I don't know, like 15 or 16, and that was one of my motivations to go to film school because it was always my delusion, I guess you could say, or my fantasy to one day direct that, you know, because that was, when you read the actual story of the mist, it's so cinematic and Stephen King does a great job of really painting the images in your head as far as what's going on in that supermarket, you know, and with all the characters. Sure. And it was one of those, it was the mist and scary stories to tell in the dark. were the the the my influences as far as things that I wanted to adapt one day and I wanted to do myself and uh you know both both of them have uh I still had hopes for scary stories to

tell in the dark but I believe uh del Toro bought the rights he has the rights to those books now I think one of those filmmakers does so that's out the window but uh you know it was I was very happy when I saw Debrown's vision because it was it was kind of like the vision that I had in my own head all those years you know it was uh it was something that he he didn't really he didn't really other than the ending he didn't really get out of the he pretty much followed the same beats i think he the only thing he changed was the ending and the army uh subplot okay the military so yeah that is not in the that is not in the novella yeah and that that reminded me a lot of under the dome actually well i never saw the show up because they got horrible reviews and i just sucks but the but the novel

was actually really good long too by the yeah very long but but one thing about the under the dome novel is that the military presence took a really big role in it and it was actually i think extremely well done and when i was rewatching this film because i've seen it before in the past but that was before i read under the dome and going back and watching this movie again there were there were a lot of similarities man the thing about stephen king is that he also he he he he left it very um the ending is up to the imagination of the reader like you know i i guess i guess we could spoil it now because It's been, you know, 20-some years since that story came up. These classics, we spoil all the time, man.

So in the novel, it ends with them just driving off in their Jeep, and then you kind of wonder what happens to them, and that's the ending of the story. Sure. They don't show the part that they show in the movie that we're going to talk about a little bit. And then Stephen King has also done that in the past. He did it in his short story, The Raft, which is in a creep show, too, I believe. Yeah, that was an awesome one, dude, especially in the creep show movie.

Yeah, in the book, he just shows the, final character just on the raft and he's just kind of looking at the at the black goo and kind of wondering if he could out swim it and that's where it ends he doesn't it doesn't really go anywhere whereas in crepe show too obviously he tries to out swim it and then we get the classic you know i beat you and then the thing just comes and grabs them you know on the shore and that's the end of that uh but uh so so i guess some filmmakers because hollywood needs to you know tie everything in a nice pretty bowl they uh they like to give us an actual ending things so they kind of changed his endings but like stephen king said you know sometimes it's like

maybe at the time he didn't have the balls to go with those dark endings right and he just kind he just kind of left it up to the imagination of the viewer to make their own ending so um yeah i'm glad he he liked darabond's ending um it's very hard for me to say that i like it like it like as from an artistic point of view i like it because you know you could bring up stuff about how life is not fair and you know there's things happen like that all the time but god damn it as an audience member i just want these these people to make it you know and and and the fact that they don't you know it doesn't matter that Thomas the Thomas Jane character lived you know know he's his soul will be dead for the rest of his life you know and it's like he

would he would have been I think we could agree he would have been better off dead exactly definitely definitely so so it's it's just such a downer of an ending and I think that affected the box office in my opinion probably I do remember at the time that there was scuttle butt of like you know the ending's too dark and this and that and so yeah and another thing too that he wanted is that he wanted to release it in black and white i don't know if you guys knew about that i did in fact they've re-released it in black and white now haven't they i believe so i believe it's on the blu-ray the special edition blu-ray uh you know you have the black and white version the color version and supposedly you know if you see it in black and white you know it looks

a little more cinematic and it looks more of the of a throwback kind of film that he was trying to make you know yeah he had he had final decision on the ending but he did get vetoed as far as taking it out black and white. That's something that the studio didn't go for. So people should try to check it out in black and white, see if they get something new out of it. Yeah, that's a good point, man. I mean, any way you look at it, it's a good movie. I think that the presence, and this kind of, we were talking about Cabin in the Woods in the last movie, because that's where it took place. But I think the Lovecraft, HP Lovecraft presence in this movie and in the movie Cabin in the Woods are probably done better than any Lovecraft adaptations I've seen in a while.

Well, you got to understand that love crap is always tackled by, like, full moon entertainment or, like, Stuart Gordon. So it's like, we haven't really seen, we haven't really seen, like, a real adaptation with a real budget. You know, those kind of movies that are all done more tongue-in-cheek than anything else. But, yeah, because right here we saw the, you know, what is it called, Casulu, Hulu or something like that's a big monster. Ketulu. He's in here. Right. A very scary scene, by the way.

Probably the most scariest scene. Big time. Hey, and let me ask you a question, guys. Do you, even though it only came out one year after this film, do you guys think Cloverfield was possibly inspired by this movie? I'm going to have to think on that one. Possibly, I don't know. I mean, you had a lot of the same themes.

You had the smaller monsters that were kind of chittinous, you know, and bug-like. And then, of course, the scene that Pedro was just referred. referring to. I just think I just think that both filmmakers were inspired by the stuff they grew up in, you know, which is the same pretty, which kind of, you know, those 50s big, big monster, you know, movies and stuff. But I think the actual narrative is completely different in both films. So it's just, you know, it's a different theme. So I don't think there was any, you know, plagiarism or, you know, I don't, I don't either. I was just curious, you know, I mean, they were released one year apart. And what do you

guys think about the movie that came out a few years after that monsters did you guys get the chance to see that uh gareth edwards uh directed movie yeah i've seen it one time i don't really remember it i'd seen it when it came out originally yeah that was more of a drama with monsters in the background it was um people are stuck in i think it's like in south america somewhere i'm just trying to remember was it did it have something to do about somebody trying to get someone's daughter like over the border or something that's the one yeah Yeah. And bringing this conversation full circle, it was also shot on a very, very limited budget.

Okay. And that's actually what got Gareth Edwards, the Godzilla gig, because they saw what he could do with no budget. So they gave him a lot of big budget to go do Godzilla after that. And that was a huge hit for him. I mean, I liked it. I thought it was a good concept. And again, we talked about earlier with collapse. You work within your budgets, and that's exactly what Gareth Edwards.

He didn't have a lot of money. Oh, sure. So you could hear the monsters throughout the entire movie, through growling and noises. but you rarely, rarely, rarely, rarely see the monsters, and it's more of a dramatic piece than anything else. Good point, man. But of course, Pedro, Gareth Edwards is done now, right? Godzilla was like his last big one. Nothing else big after that, right? According to the Scuttle, but he might have some stories in about a year or so. Yeah, yeah, he's definitely one of the hottest rising directors right now in Hollywood, no doubt.

Oh, this is a fantastic. The creatures in the movie, what were your guys, is what were the ones I stood out to most of you? Me was the scene in the pharmacy with the spiders. That was fucking awesome. Especially when the, was that the same part where the person that was in the cocoon like kind of fell over and collapsed and all those bugs came out? Oh, man. Yeah, that one always put me out.

Wow. Yeah. And again, that portion of the cocoon that was added for the movie. That is not in the novel as far as the whole army's subpoena. plot. Okay. In the novel, we never really, we never know what happens because it's often the point of view of the characters.

So it's just something that just happened one day. But, no, to me, it's still that big crab that kills Toby Jones's character, Ali. So that, that's one that freaked me out because, again, as a kid, I picture that scene perfectly in my mind, and that's exactly how it happened. You know, it just comes out. And it's the same scene in the book. You know, he comes out, tries to run back. back in. No, they're trying to find cars to drive off, and then that's where he gets picked off by that big lobster.

It's like a lobster crab hybrid thingy, big monster that kind of takes them out. Dude, that was a trip, man. There was no lack of different type of monsters in this movie at all. Exactly, yeah. And then, of course, the big main event was saved for the Kahulu scene, which, you know, I remember at the time people would say, well, shouldn't something that big have its own, like orbit or like its own like you know uh you know things should be kind of going towards it because it's so massive but i mean come on now you know it's a movie yeah i don't know about that that that's that's an unfair statement i think yeah because because people were saying that it should have its own gravitational pool that wasn't that big well i mean it did shake it did shake the car every time it

took a step yeah but it was big man that thing was huge yeah and the thing is that i think i think i I think Frank Deribon was trying to get perspective on how big it was. Okay. It's so difficult to do like in a two-dimensional setting. You just, it's very hard to get perspective on size sometimes when you're in a two-dimensional setting. So, you know, he just, he really couldn't quite pull it off. It was, it was very, very big and it was very, very scary. And then you start wondering, well, where is that thing going, you know?

I mean, what is its purpose? No kidding. And, hey, there you go talking about the something that would be a great expanded, universe story, huh? Yeah, yeah. Well, they're working on a TV show right now, for the Miss. Oh, that's right. I heard about that. Yeah, that's going to be on a Spike TV.

Yeah, Brian, you talked about that a couple weeks ago. I haven't checked it out, but there is, I guess there is a list they've already started casting for the show. You know what, guys, I'm kind of looking forward to it, but by the same token, by the time this thing ended, I was so fucking emotionally drained

and emotionally exhausted. I was like, I don't know if I can stick with this story for like 13 episodes. You know what I mean? I was going to say, I don't think it's going to be the same story. I think it's going to be just in the same universe with different situations. That's what, that's my impression. Okay. Which would be the right thing to do?

Yeah, I was going to ask, how do you guys feel about Mrs. Carmody, the religious... Crazy Mrs. Carmody. Yeah. How did you... How did you guys feel about how she was able to sway everybody to her side? I think she should have been nominated for an Academy Award, and I'm not being funny when I say that. I think her performance was amazing. I think she did everything she had to do as far as what she was paid to do, and that's fucking piss us all off, you know, watching the movie.

And it wasn't even that usual, like, oh, I'm so pissed. The way that her character was written was perfect to just mess with our emotions because we wanted to go in there and just slap some damn sense into her, and nobody was doing it for the longest time. and worse yet, everybody was falling for her BS. So it was perfect writing to have somebody kind of play with the audience's emotions. And then the big buildup to her death was excellent. So, no, great, great, great writing, I think, and great performance as well. Well, think about it. I'm sorry, go ahead, Brian.

Yeah, I would almost say she's one of the more scarier monsters in the movie because how she's able to get these people not only to her side, but she's getting people to sacrifice people to these monsters. Well, what it is, what it is is that she's a real life monster. It's what it is. You know, we do have these kind of people out there in the real world.

And she prays on the insecurities of the people in the supermarket. Because at the end of the day, when you have fear and there's an unknown, what people want is hope. And if you come at them with a little bit of hope and empathy, you could manipulate them to do whatever you want because that's all people need at that time. So the way the character is written is perfect for that scenario. And, you know, she has no guns. She has no superpowers.

But what she has is the ability to manipulate people's emotions. And that's what she does. And, you know, again, she ends up affecting the story because of it. Very scary, man. Very scary stuff. And of course, the best villains, I've always said this, the best villains in any form of storytelling are the ones where they feel that A, they're not the villain, and B, they're doing the right thing.

Absolutely. Those are the scariest and the best villains in any kind of storytelling you could ever tell. And Mrs. Carmody here, she's never, from her point of view, she's not doing anything wrong. She's just following her beliefs. And, you know, there's sinners out there that need to be taken care of. And so that is her job. And again, I think we've all met people or been around people or heard of people like this in real life. So it's something true to life, and that's why it works so well.

She's simply the vessel allowing God to work through her. Yes. And what I like is that paradox that we have in this film where it's like we have that whole mythical, you know, out of this world situation going on outside, and we have a very, very real, possible real world thing going on inside. So it's pretty cool how that works, you know. And it's like Brian was saying, it's like this is a real, the monster in store was worse than the monsters outside.

Indeed. And the funny thing about the way that her character was written, guys, is that when the movie first started out, in fact, probably at least the first one-third of the part of the movie that took place in the store, almost everybody just discounted her. Like this crazy lady, she doesn't know what she's talking about, it's full of bullshit, there's no way what she's saying is true. But by the time people got more and more and more scared and fear started to permeate the group, you'll notice. that people didn't just go to her slowly, they flocked to her. In fact, I think there was a quote somebody made early in the movie, where right now she's got four followers, in an hour she'll have four more, an hour after that she'll double that. I think it happened quicker than that. And there's so much, you know, I could talk about the psychology of this whole movie, just, just, you know, I go for hours, you know, there's so much going on in her character where you could see how, again, this is nothing out of the norm, you know, and all you need is a couple, all you need a couple of people who follow you and and and and them sell everybody else for you you know it's like

okay you you got two people on your side yes sir it's like it's like it's like avon you know it's like selling you know avon door to door it's like you got two people then they get two people for you then they get two more next thing you have your army so very true life there and stuff so um yeah that that was that was a great thing i i enjoy seeing uh william sadler who i'm a huge fan of yeah go and bill saddler man yeah going way back to the uh tells from the crypt episode of the man who was death, you know. And A and Richard. Oh, yes.

And he was the Grim Reaper with Bill and Ted, guys. Don't forget that. He was the Green Reaper. He was, of course, he was in Die Hard 2, Die Harder. Right. Just a great character actor, Bill Sadler, and it's always a joy when he comes out on my screen for anything. Hey, Brian, what did you think about the part of the movie when someone said, yes, we are

civilized as a people until you can. no longer dial 911. What'd you get out of that? It's absolutely true. I mean, you know, not to get into anything political or anything, but, you know, with the way the world is going, you know, kind of scares you what could happen when you don't have that option to call 911 call for help. You know, it's like this.

You know, a lot of times we hear about this conspiracy theories with the government, how they're hiding alien technology from us, how they're actually hiding alien beings from us. And it's like you have a lot of smart people within the government. So you just made the call that you made right now. Like people go into their primal instinct. They become savages. Sure. When you can no longer die on 911 or let's say all the electricity goes out.

Just imagine what would happen if the government made the announcement. Like they come out on television and they're like, we do have alien beings. Oh, man. I mean, the entire world will go into chaos. You know what I'm saying? And all these conspiracy theories. theorists, they never take that into advantage. I mean, they never take them to consideration.

Their whole thing is always like, well, we'll just take the information as it is, and then we'll start formulating a plan. It doesn't work like that. Our brains can't handle that kind of, you know, news that there's a, we'll just start going crazy because now you have the religious people, you know, second-guessing the Bible, you have beliefs go upside down. So my whole point is that in little examples like here where, you know, the you set a line of the movie that that also works in the bigger picture where it's like that's the

reason why if there is alien beings being you know imprisoned somewhere in area 51 or whatever there's a reason why they don't tell us because they've already know that how we're going to react to that kind of news so yeah anyways any other uh main points you guys want to make about this and before we move on to our scores no we can go ahead and go to the scores if uh that's what you guys want to do cool All right, so Pedro, as our esteemed guest, we would like to give you the honor of giving your score first again. I would go with a big, solid eight, because I've seen this movie about seven times, and I enjoy it every time. So there is no doubt in my mind this is an eight.

Man, we are in complete lockstep all night long, I guess, because I also gave this one an eight. So we're on the same page there. I mean, a very well-made movie, so much into the psychological aspect of what people would do in this situation, so much of the human drama here. But by the same token, it had a great, nice, big budget

for some beautiful science fiction effects, and it pulled them off well. So I also give it an eight. Well, I guess we're going to have three eights here. Just based on the re-watchability of this movie, I mean, I can watch this movie over and over. And that ending, you know, I personally, I got kids. You know, it's kind of hard to watch that ending,

but it is an ending you will never forget. And they didn't actually show what happened, but did you guys notice the very long, drawn-out scene where he was putting the bullets into the gun? And you notice the gun was pointed right toward his sleeping son's head. Yes. Yes. Things like that with kids, you know, another,

Another movie with a scene that always gets me is the scene from Pet Cemetery. Oh, yeah, for sure. We talked about that last week. Those always get me. Well, go ahead and watch either full house or kindergarten cop, and that little kid will put a smile on your face. We'll do, we'll do. He's in both of those.

We're going to go into our listener feedback segment, but before we do that, Pedro, since you were kind enough to be on our show with us, would you mind one more time just doing a quick pitch for your, website and your podcast and how folks can listen to that. Sure. I do a weekly wrestling podcast called The Capabulous Lucha Brothers. It's on Geekdom 101.com.

It's also a pop-o-winterweight. I hate to interrupt you. What is Geekdom 101.com just so we can go out and find it. It's a pop culture website. It has movie reviews, you know, your standard pop culture way. It has a, we have YouTube. viewers there playing video games you know so it's pretty much done for the for the for your average geek you know to go on there and uh we also covers we have ufc reviews you know we have wrestling we have all that stuff comics cool all right i'm writing that down because i definitely want to uh check out your i'm not a wrestling fan but i definitely want to check out your show and that sounds like a great site so yeah i appreciate it because again it's it's uh just a fun time you know even if you're not a wrestling fan the banter it's it's pretty good well i'm gonna check that out man So to actually get, are you guys on iTunes or what?

Yes, we're also on iTunes under K Fabulous Lucha Brothers. So I go ahead and subscribe there. We got some positive feedback on there already. So, yeah, it's pretty good. We've had the show for about two years now. We've got some pretty good growth over the last year or so. So we're very happy with the numbers and all that stuff. It's little by little, little by little.

That's the break by brick is how we see it. Awesome, dude. Cool, man. Thanks so much for being with. this. Brian, do we have any listener feedback this week? From Heidi Lynn from Ohio, who sent us a comment on

maximum overdrive, and also an awesome pick of a six-foot-seven Freddie painting that she owns. It's pretty sweet painting. I just did a nightmare on Down Street Marathon here at the new Beverly Cinema, which is

the cinema that Quinn Tarantino owns and runs, and he does a lot of throwbacks programming. you know it's a revival theater so he does a lot of movies from the 35 millimeter you know from the 80s the 90s you know just just older films that you could catch on the big screen if we went around to catch them back then and uh we actually had a nightmare on alms street marathon um so a bunch of horror fanatics showed up and we had a great time and it was cool because at the end of the night they had like a little baggy for us like a like a like a like a like you know a little treat and

they give us like a little bag and inside it had a hat and it's like i i stayed awake through elm street That's what the hat says. And so, so, you know, we got that. And, man, I'll tell you,

I was on the ropes a couple times. I was telling my friends, I got to go to my bed, and they made me hang it. And I wasn't the only one. It's hard. You know,

you're talking about what? You're talking about seven movies. That's a lot of, did you guys do the remake also? No, no, no, we just did the, you know,

the original. Thank God for that. That would have put you to sleep for sure. Man, but I'll tell you, the dream child is, that's a chore to get through. Part five.

I mean, That was just boring. It's all heck. And so that one was hard. But you know what? The new nightmare was really good. And that was the last one. And that one kind of gave us a joke because that one's original.

And it's a good concept. But yeah, it was a lot of fun. What they do there is that every time they have a Friday of the 13th and the calendar, they'll get a movie franchise and they'll show a marathon. And the, you know, the keys obviously to make it through the whole thing. So last year they did Friday the 13th. And that one I tapped out. at around part six and I didn't finish that one but we did finish this one and you know we did

get a little prize it's just always a trip walk out of the theater like at 10 in the morning with the sun hitting you and you're going on no sleep but uh yeah it was a lot of fun to do that that was awesome right there when she was telling you about the six foot what was it six foot seven a six foot seven freddie painting and it's uh it's on our facebook page in the comments okay our next comment is from Kevin Ness from Susanville, California, told us that he is really enjoying the podcast, but disagreed with us a little on the Amityville horror. He gives it a 10 out of 10. Well, he can give it a 10 on 10.

I'm not going to join him on that one. Yeah, I totally agree. Is this the Ryan Reynolds one or the original? The original. Yeah, original, man. Okay, I don't know about a 10 on 10, but I tell you what, though, Part 2 gets no love. And part 2 is actually very, very well-made. movie, I think it's very, very scary. The one that

it's kind of, it's a prequel to the first one, and it kind of deals with the murders for the Lutz family movie. Ah, okay, okay. Kind of like we're Conjuring 2 starts off. There you go, exactly. Because I bought the box at that Scream Factory released about three years ago, and it delves into

part 2 and part 3, you know, the part 3 is actually in 3D. People should check out, if you want to check out more amity of you, and that's your thing, check out part two, because it's a really well-made movie and nobody ever talks about it. All right, I've seen it, but it's probably been 20 years. So I'll go back and dip my foot in the pool again, man.

Good. Okay, we got a couple iTunes reviews. First one is from Art 1318 says, great chemistry. These guys really do have a great conversation about new and old horror with such a passion that you can't help but be engaged in the podcast. Love the show and shines the light on new films you might not have known otherwise. Cool. Thanks, Art 1318. We appreciate that.

And one more quick one from McNaz says Fresh. Love the show. You guys rock. Says it all, huh? So there's been approximately 1,37 more arts before this one. That's right. That's a lot of arts, man. Thanks, guys.

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