The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #70: Flatliners (1990) & Flatliners (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: February 19, 2022

This week Nez joins us to talk Flatliners. Thanks for listening!

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few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated. So you can pretty much expect us to be, too. I'm Lance, and with me, as always, are my co-host, Brian and Philip, and joining us tonight from the Skater Nez, I guess, podcast group. Kevin, how would you, do you have like seven or eight podcasts? How the hell do I announce you anymore, man? Nez is just cool, man.

If people do know who I am, I mean, you know what I do. But to refresh those or to let people know who don't know who I am, Kevin Nez, California, I have this, I run the Skaternes podcast network. You can find that on Podbean, iTunes. Just look up Skaternez or you won't find anything of mine. But I have the Mackness podcast, E-Society, Big Guys Podcast, and I have a new member to the family, the Zisu's daughter, Jade.

She has her out-of-necessity podcast. That's more of just teenage stuff. She's talking about her life and getting ready for college and her senior year in high school. So that's kind of a good change-up for our show of just profanity and all this craziness that we do with the rest of the shows. But I'm glad to be here, man. I couldn't wait to do this because, yeah, I got a lot to say.

Well, listen, because we do have some new listeners on board, which is really always cool, and that's kind of why we're all here. But if they're looking for Skater Nes, don't you spell it a little bit differently? Yes, it's not the regular how it's spelled. It's S-K, the number eight, ER, next word, N-E-Z, then podcast network. You'll find it. If you just put SK8ER, mine will be the only thing that pops up. So then you'll get all the shows that are on there.

That makes it easy, man. So you've been on the show enough, Kevin. You know how we start, man. What's the coolest thing you've seen this week? I'll tell you what, I'll go first. My cool of the week, you guys knew what it was going to be. But unfortunately, my cool of the week is also, oh, maybe my not. cool of the week. And that's, of course, Star Trek Discovery.

Guys, I'm not sure. I'm not sure yet. The jury's... Really? I... I dug it. I dug it. It's too slick, man. It's too slickly produced. It's not... It's too jarring for me for right now. Being an old-school trekkey and having seen every series, it's just a little difficult for me to wrap my head around the graphics. Yeah, I can see what you're saying.

Why? Why do the Klingons look different in every single Star Trek thing they do? It's becoming a running joke, isn't it? I haven't seen it. I haven't seen any of it. How do they look? Do they look like the new ones or, I mean, you know the original ones how they look to me. They looked like more human with just like brown paint on their faces. But I mean, is it TV? Is it TV CGI or like above that? It looks like full makeup, like movie makeup, but it's really weird, man.

It's just like super, super heavy paint and just, I mean, they're vaguely humanoid and the fact that they're shaped like humans. They have, you know, two legs, two arms. But other than that, man, I mean, they're just, I don't know. I'm sure I'm going to get used to it. The season is going to be 15 episodes. I know the Klingon War is going to be a big part of the storyline throughout the whole season, so I'm sure I'll get used to it. It was just a little jarring to see it, you know, change so differently.

Did you get the CBS All Access? I did. I did. I paid the – I threw down the $5.99, and those motherfuckers are going to get four more dollars a month out of me because there's so many damn commercials on the $5.99 one, man. I'm going to have to spend the extra four bucks. I cannot, you know, in this digital age, with DVRs and all, I cannot get used to sitting through that many commercials.

Yeah. And double-dipping. That's kind of the other thing that pissed me off a little bit, you know? Do they have all the... You pay money for it, and they're still doing commercials? Absolutely. I would be pissed, too. Yeah, and it wasn't like when you watch AMC, like the Walking Dead,

they may show like two or three commercials in the breaks, but this one is like five or six commercials on every break. What were you going to say, Kev? Do they have all the classic CBS shows on there? You know, if they do, I haven't really even explored any of that yet, but I think they've got, like, all the old school stuff, and then anything current, like, you know, Big Bang Theory and all those types of shows. Is there, like, all in the family and the Jeffersons and all that?

I haven't explored yet. If those were CBS shows, I'm pretty sure they're on there, man. I think they go, like, all the way back to the beginning. All right on. I was thinking of doing that 30-day trial just to get the first couple episodes of Star Trek and then canceling it. Yeah, I thought about, dude,

I even thought about waiting until the very end and getting it just for like a month, but I can't wait. This is something I have to watch every week as it comes out. But we'll say. The Zisu, he liked it. He said it was cool. He saw the first episode.

Yeah, I like the characters so far that they've introduced, but, I don't know, man. Like I said, it just looks too slick for me, but I guess I'll get used to it, you know. You know, I've heard it said on some other podcasts. If they were to go back and do, like, the original series costumes and the mini skirts and all, it would look pretty damn silly, you know, in this day and age to do that. So, you know, just go with the flow, man.

Hope that they continue to tell the really good stories that we love Star Trek for. How was Derek? He was spot on, dude. Whoever that actor is, I don't know if I really had seen him in much before, but he did an excellent job. Excellent. And this is what, like 10, 12 years before the original crew? Yeah, I believe it is about 10 years before the original mission. So it's in that timeline between Enterprise but before TOS.

Are they on Earth or are they out in space already? Everything I've seen so far, they're out in space exploring. All right. But some things are going to change. I know this for sure, without doing any spoilers. So I think a lot's going to happen, you know, over the 15 episodes. I think they're trying to shoot sort of for that Game of Thrones thing where, like, some heroes are going to become villains. Some villains are going to become heroes.

You know, it's just going to follow. And I like the diverse cast. It looks like they're going to have episodes that focus on different characters, which I think is always cool. So hopefully a lot of good stuff to look forward. to the next 15 weeks. Brian, what was yours, man? I wanted to wait and see what yours was before I said anything, because yours might be. Just real quick, I just wanted to address something.

We lost someone earlier this week, and it kind of hit me really hard because we had the pleasure of actually having this guy as a guest, and that's Santos Ellen Jr., the Black Saint. and I just want to say it was a privilege to have a chance to speak to him. I've been listening to him on their show for a while now, and I just wanted to say RIP because that I, when I read the post, I didn't even, I didn't even really know what I was reading. I had to read it again, like, what? What's going on?

Yeah, let's talk to him. That was crazy. Yeah. So, um, definitely, you know, I feel for the family and everybody. I just wanted to say that. Yeah, definitely. Well said.

Yeah. Didn't mean to bring it down, so I'll get into my cool of the week. It had to be brought up, man. It had to be brought up. Santos, you will be missed, man. Thanks for coming on our show and being part of our lives. Yes. Yes.

As well, my heart goes out to the family and rest of peace, brother. Yes Okay To get back on track here Actually I'm gonna go with something different It was a movie that Was originally to come out last year But it got scrapped

I think the studio had went bankrupt It was before I awake Oh yeah that's right Yeah Um Decent movie I like the premise You know

That's the one with a little kid Yeah Okay Did Mike Flanagan directed or am I thinking of something? Yes. Okay. Yes. It was directed by him.

I'm starting to be more and more of a fan of his. And, yeah, decent. I would, if I had to rate it, I'd give it a 7 out of 10. I thought the cast was good. I liked the story. And I'm just, I'm really digging Mike Flanagan stuff. So definitely, I think everybody, if you can get a chance to see it, it's out there

the only way if you want to actually purchase it you have to go to I don't understand how this works the Blu-ray is released under Amazon Canada it is not released in the United States but there are ways

so yeah that's my cool little week all right cool well I saw a bunch of stuff this week with the exception of the new flatliners actually. But my cool of the week I think is going to be leather face.

Oh, I've seen that too. Yeah. It was, it's a little overproduced and kind of hokey, and there's a plot twist that probably doesn't even need to be there. But it was fun to watch, though. I mean, it was, I enjoyed it. It wasn't, you know, the best movie of the year, but it wasn't bad. Yeah, don't get into too much details.

I think we're planning on reviewing it later. Oh, okay. Was it an Iron Fist? Does Iron Fis play Leatherface? That's all I want to know. Oh, is that who that kid is? Oh, man, I didn't even realize. He's barely in the movie.

All right. I have to say that. Oh, okay. Wrong one then. All right. And aside from that, I also watched Jerusalem with a Z. It's on Netflix. It's a found footage movie where they use like a Google Glass to film the whole thing. Oh, I've heard of this. I've heard of this. It's, yeah, it's probably not the best found footage movie, but it was kind of cool. It was interesting. I like the concept behind it. Okay.

Is it worth watching? I think so. It gets really shaky, though, with the glasses. It's like, it's almost too much, man. There were a couple parts, so I was like, okay, you got to stop this. I can't watch it anymore. But it was still a fun movie. It's not that bad.

All righty, here is my cool of the week. And from the reviews that everyone else in the world or the country that has seen it, they hated it. But my cool of the week is Jeepers Creepers 3. Oh, no. Uh-oh. I'm waiting to hear this. If you guys did not hear me, spoil it on the East Society, the newest episode.

I went in there not expecting much the whole controversy of Victor Solva. We all know what a horrible person and a monster. he is, but like some of the reviewers are saying let's put the art away from the artist and I wouldn't go as far as calling this movie art

but oh my God I know it was a shoestring budget and it was just a complete train wreck and yeah oh my God I mean it's it had potential for the first minute or two and

then it just went downhill and it wouldn't stop. And I was like, oh my God. But the reason it's my cool week, I loved it. I mean, it was so crappy and just the CGI was like asylum sci-fi channel CGI was a little bit better. Wow. So, it's good, huh? Yes, I mean, that's why I loved it.

I mean, I had such a good time watching this movie. I laughed my ass off through the whole thing. And it was just like, oh, my God. I mean, first of all, I mean, it's just, I don't know how this guy can keep making movies and who keeps giving him money. But I was just like, oh, man. Overall, once it was said and done, I mean, I just sat there. There's nothing at the end of the credits. So if you guys eventually do see it.

The only thing, they attach this onto the movie. There was an interview with the guy that plays a creeper. Jonathan, something I can't remember. But he was talking about what a good time he had making this movie. And he was so happy to get the call back to be the creeper again. And his best thing he did, he said was all the line work he did when the scenes, when they have him flying around. and that even that made me laugh because oh my god when his wings came out oh no oh it looks so bad i mean in this yes in the second one they at least kind of went they did cg i but they kind of did

they went the practical route this i don't think there was any kind of any practical effects with his wings are flying or anything and i was just oh my god it was just so crappy and when did the creeper turn into a spy, uh, James Bond type of character. Because his, I mean, this will be one spoiler. His truck was like a, a James Bond, Austin Power spy truck with all these gizmos and gadgets.

And I was like, when did this happen? But, oh my God. It was just, it was just so hilarious and so bad. And it just, put a smile on my face and I haven't had that much fun in the movie theater in a long time. Interesting. All right. Well, maybe we should have reviewed that one along with the Go member, huh?

Well, I'm happy it sucked. But for those of you that did miss it because it was sold out everywhere. They're showing it one more time next week or this week. I believe it's either on the fourth or the third or something. I don't know, but there's another one more one-night screening deal. And if it comes around here again, I think he's going to get more on my money because I kind of want to see this again. You're encouraging. You're encouraging it.

Well, I mean, it did keep a lot of people away. I mean, just because who the director is and what he had done. But I was shocked on how so much people. were bashing before this movie came out. And I was totally shocked that there was sold out shows everywhere. Because all the reviews that I was watching on YouTube and reading stuff, everybody said their crowd, their theater was sold out. So I was like, okay, cool.

But, yeah. Even bad publicity is publicity. Yeah. So I think if from what everyone was saying, I think all, if this next go around this week, I think all those shows are going to be sold out as well, just because everybody wants to see how bad this is now. So they can talk about it. It would be a cult classic, huh?

Yeah, so overall, I would say this is my cool and not so cool of the week. Oh, man, what a week. All right, well, then I guess that means it's time for horror headlines now, brought to you by Brian. Spike has canceled the mist after one season. Oh, no. if you're friends with me on Facebook you've seen my rage on why I just it was stupid and but the CGI was better than Jeepers Creepers 3 but I mean it's I don't know what they were trying to do here they tried to blend a little of the movie and then make up their own uh little missed realm

they actually never really showed much. In the movie, they showed us all the monsters and all that. And this, they were just teasing us with some insects or maybe some kind of slug. Sure. And they never really showed anything other than those small little things. I think that the only big thing that they showed was this moth or something that got inside this guy. And he sprouted out moth wings. But that was it.

But overall, I think what the show was. was it was more of how humanity handles a crisis and how everyone just went from their everyday life to this miss coming to town and then all hell breaking loose and then everybody fighting each other just to stay alive. I mean, I think that's what they were focusing on the most with how people reacting. But it was really super slow and it was boring. Most of the episodes were boring. But I was so sucked up into the show. I had to see how it ended. And the last couple

episodes got really good. And then it was over. So I was like, oh, sweet. They left it on a good cliffhanger. And then as soon as I heard this this show was canceled, I was like, well, now what the fuck am I going to do? What caused it?

Because we never really, they kind of hint in the movie as well in the TV show on what caused it. It was a military project. It went wrong. Right. But now we're never going to see it. So I'm just like, huh.

Yeah, that's a good thing. Yeah, and we spoke with Christian Torp, the showrunner, and I'm curious what he's going to do next after this. I guess we'll keep a close eye on him. But yeah, you're right, man. I mean, it was all about building up to more of the human story than, you know, focusing on the monsters. And maybe that turns some people off or maybe it's just that, I guess, Spike, I understand his new, under new ownership. so I think they're kind of overhauling. Maybe it'll end up on Netflix or Amazon or something.

Yeah. Actually, if anybody wants to watch the first season, it's going to be on Netflix on the 24th. Oh, cool. Yeah, I want to see it again because my wife, she got into it at the end of the season, and I kind of just had to tell her what happened. And I think she wants to see what really happened.

So I'm definitely going to watch the whole, season again. And I sat and watched the movie when I heard the sad news that it got canceled. I pulled out the movie and I sat here and watched it with my youngest son. He likes all these monster movies. He laughed at the CGI, but he said he still liked it. Okay. Speaking on TV shows, the next movie to be adapted into a TV show is going to be David Kronenberg's Scanners. Wow. That could be pretty pretty. pretty good. Yeah.

I don't know, guys. Leave it alone. Yeah, I mean, I love the movie. The original movie was amazing, and it's a true classic. I don't know about a scanner cop. I thought that was kind of lame, but who's going to do this again? From what I've read, it's going to be somebody named Michael Ellenberg, his company Media Res, and Braun, Sons.

studios. Those are the who has the rights. I've never heard of them. So right now they're in like the planning stages. So I don't think there's even a destination for this show even planned out yet. So there's no network? Yeah. Not at this moment. I think they just acquire the rights and that's what they're going to do instead of making another movie, they're going to turn it into a TV show. I think if the right network picks it up, I mean, I think it can do good, but it can't be one of the major ones because they're not going to show all the the graphic gore. But then who knows, they might not even go that route either.

But they, what scanners, you kind of have to. I mean, yeah, the movie wasn't as gory as everyone hypes it up to be. Yes, there's the exploding. head and the scanner battle at the end. But if you really watch that movie again, there wasn't too much blood and gore except for at the beginning and the end. So who knows, we'll see. And whatever it comes on, I mean, I'm sure I'll watch it and give my two cents

after I watch it. Yeah, I think we'll all check it out. Yeah. All right. Next bit of news, Linda Hamilton is returning to the Terminator franchise. for the James Cameron Yeah, James Cameron produced Next movie

Which will Take place after the second one So I guess they're erasing all the other ones Yeah And they've already dropped a release date For the movie, July 26, 2019 Huh Okay

So did they put their differences Differences aside? Cameron and Hamilton? Apparently, I know he's not going to be directing. He's going to be producing. The director is going to be, I can't remember his name.

Tim Miller, is that his name? He directed Deadpool. What? Yeah, the first Deadpool director is going to be directed this one. Okay, that should be interesting. Is it got Arnold?

Apparently he's going to return in this one, but not as a term. So, oh, okay. And apparently Cameron has a way to explain Arnold's age in the movie, so. Hmm. Here we go again. Yeah.

It's not going to be Uncle Bob. Oh, Uncle Bob. So, I mean, I don't know what to think of this. I like Linda Hamilton coming back. I like the fact that it's erasing the horrible Terminator sequel. I guess. But at the same time, it seemed like this franchise

should have been done in over with a long time ago. Yeah. So I guess, go ahead. I think I'm one of the few, but I liked all the other ones that came out after. I mean, yeah, I liked him okay. Rides in the machines.

Yep. That one I hated. I hated Rises of the machines. Oh, Ryan. I thought Genesis was okay. Yeah, I didn't hate it. Everybody hated it, but I liked it. Yeah, I didn't hate any.

The first two were far and away the best, but I didn't think that went totally downhill or anything. I just watched Salvation, and that's probably my least favorite. But, I mean, I still enjoyed that one as well. Yeah. Did any of you guys watch the TV show, the two seasons they had? No, I never did. Sarah O'Connor Chronicles? Yeah.

I've never finished it. I dug it. Yeah. I saw like the first couple episodes. What's her face? Is Sarah? Yeah. I liked it.

I mean, I just bought, I recently just bought both seasons on Blu-ray. I really enjoyed it, and it did leave you off at a cliffhanger, and I was just so mad. And I remember I met Linda Headley. Is that I said her last thing? Lena Head. I'm not, Lena, Lena Hetty. I met her at Comic-Con. And this is before I was all about Game of Thrones, because I knew nothing about it.

Everybody else was kissing her ass over that show. But I was talking to her about 300 and some other movie she was in. And I did throw a question about her. I said, so what's happening with Terminator? She just said, I don't know. She goes, I don't know. That was all she said. I was like, okay, thanks.

But she was really cool. She was nice. That's cool. All right. Release date again, July 26, 2019. All right. On to the next thing. Larry Cohen, who is the writer and producer of the original Maniac Cop, says the remake

is not happening, which was supposed to be directed by Lance, help me out. I keep messing up on this guy, Nicholas Winding. Winding Riffin or something like that. Yeah, he's not my favorite. it's everybody just went nuts about drive i thought it was so-so and then some of the movies he makes are just kind of i just don't get it i mean a lot of people really love he he does have a good visual style but the storytelling to me is always doesn't really grab me too much um i can't think of what it was called but he did he did make one that i liked quite a bit i think it only

had like two pages of dialogue in the whole movie but it had the dude who plays uh hannibal and the tv show and he i think his character's name was one eye or something I was kind of set back in the middle ages. You got seen that one? You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I do. It was like super violent. Yeah, yeah, and I like the visual style of it.

But anything else he's done, like a couple of the ones that he's done with, oh, what's his name, Gosling? Yeah. Nah, not so much, man. Well, he was all set to do the remake of Maniac Cup, but I guess that's a shutdown, not happening. That would have been a weird That would have been a weird choice, I think, for director of the cast.

So, let's see. On to our last thing. Some more it news. It Chapter 2 officially confirmed September 6, 2019. Nice. And it is now, because I know, Philip, you were talking about it you heard on the radio. They were arguing about the whole highest grossing horror movie. compared to Jaws.

It is now officially the highest grossing because it surpassed $500 million. Wow. Look out. Good movie. Yep. I just saw that again. Yeah?

Yeah, I'm about to take my wife here to see it. Nice. And I believe, yep, that is all the news we have. All right. So I guess we know what time it is now, right, Naz?

Yes, a little trip down to the trailer part. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? The first one we're going to talk about is the new Amazon Prime Show, Lour, starring Haley Finnegan, Caroline, Arapore, Arapoglu, Mark Ashworth, and Robert Patrick. Hmm. So, what did you guys think?

I don't know, Kevin, have you ever heard the podcast before? No, I haven't. Yeah, I've heard of it. I've never listened to it. I guess they deal with, like, urban legends and things like that. It looked pretty interesting to me, you know? I mean, it looks like it was only going to be six episodes, so that's pretty easy to stick with.

I kind of like that documentary-looking style they got going. That seems like it'll be fun to watch. Is this one movie, or is it like a series? It's the series. It's going to be like, I believe, six episodes, I think. Okay. Oh, okay. I thought it was going to be like an anthology type movie.

Right. But yeah, I mean, it looks cool. It looks interesting. I'll definitely check it out. I'm kind of interested in that whole Robert the doll story. I mean, I have a little reading on that. I haven't watched any of the movies because I hear that they're not very good. But, yeah, I'm definitely going to check this out.

Cool. Yeah. I also like the tagline. The scariest stories are the true ones. Okay. Yeah. Definitely. Got my attention.

I'll definitely. And I'll give the podcast to listen to a couple of people I know said they really enjoy listening to the old folklore tales and stuff like that. Right. Hey, this would be right up Denny's alley, man, with After Midnight. Yeah. I think so. I think he's even covered a few of these stories. Yeah, Denny, let us know.

what you think about the trailer. Yeah. Well, wow. Seems like something that you'd get into. The show is going to be on Amazon Prime, October the 13th, Friday the 13th. All right, cool. Moving on to our next trailer will be the new Netflix movie, another Stephen King movie, 1922, starring Tom Jane.

I guess he's not going by Thomas Jane no more. Okay. Caitlin Bernard and Bruce Bullard. Lane, directed by Zach Hilditch. This one looks cool. I mean, just the whole, does Tom Jane and Stephen King, are they buddies? Because what, is this like the third thing he's been in? Stephen King was.

Oh, yeah. He was in the mist, right? Yeah, and I just watched Dreamcatcher, so he was also in that. The guys at the crowded room just talked about Dreamcatcher, Kev. Yeah, that was why I watched it. Was that the only reason, or did you actually live? like it. Oh, I liked it. I mean, it took me a couple

times. The first time I saw it in the theater, I was kind of like, oh, okay. Right. But the whole, uh, the shit monster or whatever that was. But I liked it. Yeah, this looks interesting. I mean, did anybody check out Gerald's game? Not yet. Yeah, I liked it.

I thought it was decent. Yeah. I mean, I never read the, I'd never read the story. So, I'm just basing out the movie. But I I thought it was good. Cool. Yeah, it was definitely one of his shorter novels. So if you guys want to get started on some Stephen King, that one might be a good one to start with. Has anybody read this one?

Oh, yeah, I read it when it first came out. So what can we expect from this? Oh, you mean 1922? Yeah. I think that was a short story, wasn't it? I have read it. I'm not sure. I read pretty much everything he's written, but this doesn't stand out to me,

so it must not have really made that much of an impression on me. Okay. But I'm pretty sure it was a short story. It seemed like I found this one a little boring, if I remember correctly, but, you know, who knows, man. Could be a really good movie. It looks cool. Sign up. Yeah, I'm going to check it out.

Yeah, me too. It looked like it might be a slow burn, but it looks really interesting. So that will be on Netflix, October 20th. Nice. Netflix is doing one Stephen King. movie a month, it seems like, huh? Almost. And on to our

final trailer, which is Creek 2, starring Mark Duplas, Desiree Ockhaven, and Karen Sonny, directed by Patrick Bryce. Hmm. I love the first one. Do they really need a second

one? Honestly, I thought the first one ended just right. Honestly, if it's going to be on par with the first one, I'm totally down with this. I really liked the first one. I never saw it, but I kind of wanted to now.

It looks interesting. I'm a sucker for those dumbfound footage movies, man. Yeah, the first one's on Netflix. Oh, I'm going to check it out. All right, cool. So I think that was the last trailer. So, Philip, we got any listener feedback this week? Chag Pino says, Spide Like Us.

I like where your heart's at. It, Chapter 2, officially confirmed for September 6, 2019. I was in the news. Gene Turner says, damn, that's a long time to wait. And Ryan Stevens loved it. Reminded me very much of a nightmare on Elm Street film. Okay. See that?

And then this week we want to give a fellow podcaster shout out to the padded room. Lance, you were talking about those guys earlier. Oh, yeah, these guys are a blast, man. Yeah, these guys are great fun to listen to, and they cover a number of horror movies, both new and old. Check out the Padded Room Podcasts on iTunes, etc. Or you can go to the Facebook page, the Padded Room Podcast Inmate Recreational Area. That's a mouthful. And that's it this week for listener feedback.

Thanks to everyone who reaches out to us. We love the feedback. As always, you can reach us at our Facebook. or pod bean page, or you can email us directly at the horror returns, or go to iTunes and leave a review, please, please, please. We love to hear from you. Cool. All right, so here we go with our episode four recap from our friends at Zach Baxter

for American Horror Story, and then we'll be right back with the reviews. Everybody at Zach Baxter with the Knights of the Drunk Watch, we are doing this solo podcast style because our camera and computer just to suck. They just stink. So bad. So let's do a quick introduction since you can only hear us and not see us. Sorry for everybody who watches this after show on video. You're just going to see a beautiful picture of us smiling.

So I'm Zach Baxter. I'm Andrew. Crystal, Kate. And we're here with our after show, recap show, review of American Horror Story, episode four titled 11-9. Did you start a timer? Oh, no. Nope. So start giving us nuggets.

It's, uh, Kate. So we kind of go through, we do a lot of flashbacks in this episode, and we see essentially Kai recruiting. Um, so it's him recruiting, kind of all the characters we've seen before. So I want to talk about who is in the cult. Um, so the one person we don't see him recruiting in this episode is winter. Um, but the assumption is she's just the first one, I guess. Maybe.

Do you see that already? I mean, but not the actual Like, not him saying I have these ideas And I want you to join me See, I I don't know Well, the thing is

Is winter About the special relationship Yeah, without the video Should we hold a scary Baby stick? No, it scares the fuck out of me Anyway, because If their brother and sister

she may not have to really be part of his cult because they're already family. But the thing is, is that later on my list. And obviously they're very opposite politically speaking. Right. And that's also another nugget that I'm talking about. But not everyone's on the same side when they join the cult. Right.

And that's like maybe the last nugget or the second last nugget. But winter, well, let's keep talking. Okay, so we're unsure about winter. How she fits into the grand scheme of things. I almost want to go back to my original theory that they're the same person. Oh, no. Because now that we know that Winter met Ivy at before election night at a protest. I have spilled coffee on Ivy.

Yeah. And Ivy not recognized him. Well, Ivy is going to clearly has been acting this whole time, y'all. Yeah, but what is even the play in the back? No, clearly Ivy has Winter in the House for. reason now. Yeah. So if they're the same person, are they winter or are they Kai?

Who's the real person? We don't, I mean, I die. I don't know. I don't have answered for that. I think that's nonsense. Because we've seen different people interact with both of them. The only time we've seen them together is when they're alone. Yes.

Okay. So, you know, is this Edward Norton or is this Brad Pitt? Yeah. You know, but, you know, I just, they both seem, I mean, in this episode, they seem to have the same type of language. And they both made people do similar types of things. Well, I mean, they were raised in the same house. If their brother and

sister... Why did this stop? Oh, she... I mean, what if they are twins? Yeah, they could be twins. They could be twins. I believe that they're twins. But I don't believe that they're the same person. No, I don't think... Okay. Nope. You can keep going. No, I thought... I'm done. Okay. So, I mean, with the start

of the... I started with Winter just because we didn't see her. We thought... Real quick, I mean, part of the conceit of, you know, because you're thinking they're the same person a la fight club. Right, yeah. Part of that is the only time we saw them together was when they were alone. Like, we never saw Brad Pitt with someone else. Right. And we seen Kai and Winter with other people?

Together? Yeah. No, not together. Okay. Still don't believe it, but okay. Next is, so this. And the people that Kai actually talked to during this episode were Harrison, Beverly, Meadow, and Gary. Those were the people that he spoke to.

Harrison and Meadow are the neighbors. Yeah. Gary is the one person that works at Mr. Fields or Fields Grocery. And Beverly. Beverly is the news reporter who went derailed after her. After her grab the pussy. Right. Yeah.

And so he starts with Harrison and Beverly, no, Meadow is the only one that he hasn't like been around or enticed violence for. Because Harrison, he, you know, he gets Harrison to murder Vinny. Beverly, he murders Serena and the cameraman or the clowns do. Uh-huh. And then Gary gets him to cut his own arm off. Meadow, I'm not sure about it. I had her on the possible until they were in the basement together. Yeah, that was confusing.

Andrew's point. And Meadow's done the pinky things. You're going to try. Yeah. But we haven't seen him insight or commit violence. No, but just in sight, because Kai hasn't really done. He has not, he has yet to actually do it. I've never done anything.

We haven't seen him. He's convinced them to do it. Yes. Yeah. And so. As Kai, anyway. As Kai, yeah. But with Meadow, all we've seen is him telling her that her drawings are great and she should be an artist.

Yes. But we haven't seen. Of scary clowns. But like Andrew's point to last week, I think, was maybe there's the cult proper and then cult adjacent. We're like... Cold spouses. Right. So Meadow would be a cult spouse, right?

Yes. So she's in on it, but she's not like the main characters. what I was thinking, that it was like, there's the cult, and then they have to, like, brainwash the spouses, not to be part of the cult, but, like, to be, like, perfect spouses. They're not actually part of the cult. Like, in the Stepford wives, they were actually switched out for Androids. But, you know. My question is, is, are the cult spouses, I mean, I think the difference would be,

do they know about the cult and they're just oblivious or? That's my, that, I was only based on trying to think what the hell were they doing to Allie. Allie had none to do with anything in this episode. Right. It was just the cults. So it seems more like a Manson-like cults as far as Colts go. So I think, I think, honestly I think what it is is that one person gets very into it and has to convince their spouse to do it. And so we've seen Harrison is full into it and Meadow is along for the, like, she's,

She saw the body. She saw what's going on, and she hasn't run away yet. She is not as driven to need someone murdered yet. No. Right. But I don't think, well, first of all, I don't think she has anyone to kill. Second of all, I think that's true. I don't think a spouse has anything to do with it.

I think Harrison was recruited. Meadow kind of came along for the ride. He hasn't recruited Meadow. Right. Yet. Yeah. So she's kind of, because, like, she's part of the cult. She's hanging out.

the basement. She's doing the pinkish-square stuff. She's seen the murder. But because she wasn't committed to the cult, like she wasn't in, she wasn't recruited for the cult. She hasn't been indoctrinated. She hasn't been indoctrinated the same way that Harrison and Beverly? Beverly have.

Yeah. Beverly have. But that's because they had a serious, so maybe we haven't seen Meadows problem yet, because both Harrison and Beverly had a problem. Yeah. And Kai fixed it.

But I wonder if, well, and Kai fixed the Ali's problem, too. But when he called off all the processors. But. But he also fixed. Gary was Ivy's problem because they kidnapped her. Yeah. They kidnapped Gary to start with. Ivy and Winter take care of him.

Right. Which brings us back to the fight club situation. Oh. But, I mean, you don't must have to go back in one. watch this episode and see the relationship between because if Kai and Winter are the same person and we're only seeing them through different lenses through the magic of television

they have to be the same person to the characters of the show so that means that whoever was buying tape comes back with a saw yeah we see it as Winter and Kai That doesn't make sense In the world of the show It's got to be the same person

Yeah Gary has to be seeing a singular person Whether it's Kai He's buying tape And then brings back this Or it's Winter who's buying tape And then Winter comes back with the solid That's a really good point

Because I think that if they were the same person Gary wouldn't have this switch Because this would still be the person That kidnapped him and tied him up And now they come back and say But if you cut your arm off And Winter ties them up because she's pro-Clinton, you know, Hillary Clinton. Yeah.

And Kai comes back and he's like pro-Trump and says, you've got to vote. You know, so whereas the reason he's tied up is because he was a pussy-grabbing asshole. Yeah. And so we can go to the possible, which I, we're not convinced. We haven't seen Ivy talk to Kai yet. No. And so she in my mind is a possible cult person. Or it could be that winter

It's like on her own little mission With Ivy I mean if winter's like Like maybe you know In conjunction with Kai But like you know like Because if they're like the dynamic duo Yeah

Kai's going around and doing his like Canvas recruiting And then she's like doing this one little thing That's leading to the ghost lighting of Ali Yeah I mean it might be a different No but So you don't think that IB is just straight recruiting again?

No. No. For a different purpose? Zach? Because the neighbors are in on with Winter. When they came in, the lights went out, Harrison came and gave Fed Alley all these lies. I felt like they were to get,

I felt like Winter and Harrison were on the same page. I don't, I mean, I'm not on the same page. I'm just saying, that what Winter is doing with Ivy might be her own little side mission. It's not straight cult, it is like, like, he's like, like, Kai says, you, like, you know, they're like these little like, I don't know, twinsies, sibling whatever. And Kai's like going out in the world and getting his followers, but he sent Winter on

it's like a little side mission just to do her own little thing. Okay. I want to talk about there. There are a couple of your things I want to talk about. So my one question is I'm a little bit confused about the. people that Kai is recruiting because he, and to be fair, this may be, no, because

so far we've seen him recruit Harrison, and I'm not sure who Harrison was voting for. Because we saw them all votes. He did have all, though, yeah. We could have seen it. We could have seen it. He didn't vote for Trump. He didn't vote for Trump. He recruits Gary, who super voted

for Trump. Yeah, very much. He recruits Beverly, who I don't know if we saw her vote. I don't think so. I can't imagine. No, we did. We did. We did. We saw her vote. Yeah. And then, really? Yeah, we saw her in the booth.

And Ivy and Meadow were all, I think, Hillary. No, Meadow voted for Oprah. Oh, right, right. Yeah, no, right. Yeah, no, voted for Oprah. So he is, is, I'm just, I mean, and, you know, maybe Kai, obviously, Kai is not just, like, straight political, but who is he, how is he finding people and recruiting them for the cult? Like, what are the- I mean, everyone he's recruited

has felt like there's nothing left. I've been oppressed. I feel like humiliation is a big thing for him. Because he brings up to himself. There's nothing worse than humiliated at. And Beverly was humiliated.

Harrison was humiliated. He even brought up with Gary. His humiliation was like, having been humiliated as a white street working man. So then I guess what my question is is how does this work as a cult in not a one-on-one

Kai and member situation? I don't understand the question. Like, I feel like a cult is a group activity. Yeah. And so how do you get all of these different, very, very different members to work together to the same goal? The goal is

to get Kai to be a councilman. and to be president of the United States. Okay. I mean, Kai is like all for Trump, but not necessarily for political reasons. Just like, where did Trump come from? He came out of, you know, business and reality shows. Yeah.

And everyone thought it was a joke. And all of a sudden, he's president of the United States. Right. So Kai could just kind of, he could rise. He's like, he wants to change the world. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he even says in the.

episode and now we know anything is possible. Right. And he's trying to manufacture this fear. That's the tool he's going to use to squeeze himself up to the top.

So he's manufacturing these clowns and manufacturing this, well, it's not manufactured, they're committing crimes, but they're doing them in the intent to incite fear in the community and then hopefully he can wedge himself in

he's the only person that could stop it, right? That's what we saw next week. So, talk about the clowns. We saw, in the flashbacks, we saw the three clowns who attacked Serena and the cameraman were two men and a woman. Yeah. Woman. And so who do you think they are?

I think that's Kai Harrison and Meadow. Me too. And it might be a stream. No, winter. Winter. No. I think it's Meadow. I think it's meadow.

I think it's meadow. Yeah. I don't think meadow would be. I think winter. would be more involved in a murder than Meadow. No, I think Meadow I think once you get them all dressed

up, Meadow probably thought you know, would go for it. I don't think, no. I think, I think, Meadow seems to have, I mean, Winter seems to have her own place in Kai's world. Yeah. As his sister.

Yeah. Okay. So that she's not, she's not down, you know, doing the, you know. I'm not convinced. I don't think, I don't think Winter is killing people. I don't think she is either. I don't think she's ever killed anybody before. But she's so into like the dark web and the watching the murder.

She said have you ever... Have you ever seen a dead body? That's her thing. I think she likes to watch. But not do. But not do? I mean, she's certainly part of the puzzle, but I mean, I don't think she's... But I feel like she's such the first... Okay. So you think that Meadow just fully bought in and... Well, first of all, the clown...

The female clown in that segment is also one of the clowns that kills the Changs. Right. And Winter was not there. She was with Ozzy. Yes. Ozzy, yeah. Okay. Okay.

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All right. Thanks to the horror returns for having us on their podcast. Let's all raise our glass, and we're going to say, You know the knives for the drunk watch? And now our talk has ended. Good night, everybody. We'll see you next Tuesday. All right, folks, and so now, of course, it's time for our featured attractions. It is going back to 1990 for the classic, some would say classic flatliners,

and 2017 for possibly maybe a new classic, Kevin. You think? I guess. I don't know. All right. All right. All right. As always, we'll start with a little trivia.

The original Flatliner's 1990, director, Joel Schumacher, also known for one of my other favorite, well, I was going to say 80s films, but films in that era of the Lost Boys. Nez, you're a big fan of Lost Boys, right? Oh, hell yeah That was a Boston movie Brian Phillip You guys You guys liked that one?

Yeah, that's one of my Probably my favorite vampire movie Yeah, absolutely I was thinking about Lost Boys The whole time I was watching The 1990 version of Flatliners I got that vibe too He's got that same

craziness going Mm-hmm The writer for Flatliners was Peter Filardi also known for the craft. Val Kilmer actually turned down the role of Nelson Wright, which in the end went to Kiefer Sutherland. Probably would have been the same.

He came back for Batman Forever. That's right. That was a mistake. Nichols and all. Producer Michael Douglas had previously started in a film in the same basic genre, Michael Crichton's coma. That was in 1978.

And this was one of a handful of films and a minicycle of Hollywood pictures that were all released in 1990, which dealt with a theme of afterlife and near-death experiences. The other ones included Ghost and Jacob's Ladder. Hey, have you guys seen Jacob's Ladder?

Yeah, I've seen it. Actually, no. No? No. No. Never seen it. Nez? That movie's awesome. I love it. It's real slow.

Yep. I heard a lot of good thing. I got to check it out. Yeah, man. Greed, totally. 100%. So anyway, we'll get into our talk here. We'll start with the 1990 movie.

Nez, our guest, would you like to take the throne? Yes. I loved it. I thought it was an awesome movie. I saw it when it came out. and I just everything it was I mean it's got the the Joel Schumacher style that he does with all his movies that he's really into colors I've noticed that if you've seen his Batman movies are real colorful and I like what he did with this like during the normal lighting it was just kind of normal when you went into the not really the dream stage but when whatever was coming after each character you notice that all the light would turn blue. And I like just what he does with that.

He's done his lighting in numerous other movies that he's done. But as far as characters, I am not a Julia Roberts fan at all. I can take her or leave her. I mean, I loved her in Aaron Brockovich. That's probably like my favorite movie that she's done. But it was just kind of hard to see her in this. I mean, even back then, I wasn't that big of a fan of hers. But everyone else, Kiefer Sutherland, Kevin Bacon, awesome.

William Baldwin, he's all right. He was there. But I liked him in back draft. And Oliver Platt, I like him in just about everything he does. Sure. But, I mean, it was a good take. And, yeah, I didn't never really put the coma. spin on into this one.

I mean, I had seen Coma a long time ago. That was, what, late 70s, early 80s maybe? I just remember Michael Douglas was in it. I think that's the one. Yeah, 78, I think it said. Yeah, I mean, this movie was good. For the time when it came out, I liked the idea. I liked what they were doing.

It was real edgy. Not to get into the new one. We'll get there later, but I'll bring this something. but um i mean i like this movie all the way through man this movie was awesome i liked each character uh it was just julia roberts that i had a problem with but she was good in this movie i can give it that mm-hmm yeah i didn't i didn't mind her in this one no i thought she was okay i thought i thought i thought everybody played their part i really liked uh oliver platt uh had some great comic relief which was you know there were a couple of really intense parts of the movie

where I really appreciated that. Yeah. The Baldwin was kind of a douchebag and had a little bit too big of a part in the movie for his acting ability. Yeah, that was probably the one character I didn't care about in this movie. Yeah.

He was Baldwin number five or whatever he is. Oh, boo-hoo, you nailed a bunch of chicks and they're all coming back to haunt you. That part of that, that character just seemed like they just hey we need to add someone else so let's just throw this in yeah that that kind of really did do that

yeah yeah did they really haunt him though I know right because you you got Keith for Sutherland he's got Billy Mahoney just beating the shit out of him like every night

right and this guy's got like naked chicks saying why did you do that to me he got off a little light didn't he yeah a little bit that was just more of his conscience uh coming after him right yeah his job was to film and if you noticed the camera was always pointing down every time something was going on he like missed all the exciting stuff and then one of them would go film it

then he would bring the camera up and i was like he was taking up space Oh man I didn't even notice that man But now that you bring that up He was like the worst cameraman ever In fact even in his Hey you know he was such a bad camera man That even in his sex tapes

All you could see was his fucking back In the back of his head I didn't see any titties or anything Come on man He would do terrible in a found footage movie Oh shit Well I mean I'm glad it was the The 90s, and it was the video cameras were smaller, because if it was in 80s, there'd have been those big giant shoulder-held ones.

Right. With a harness and everything, right? Yeah, and the whole battery pack on the side. Oh, man. Well, what did you guys think about the, I mean, the general idea? Do you think they were really seeing the afterlife, or you think it was just, you know, their own gilts that were in their own mind coming back at them? I thought of like you said, their guilt and their conscience. I mean, that's what I thought.

I mean, I'm not too sure, but supposedly the afterlife of how they lived and people that were gone that was coming after them. Well, I guess it wasn't people really gone that was coming after them. Some of them were gone, but not the characters. Like the girl that Kevin Bacon was tormenting as a young kid, she was. still alive so that was there and all the women that uh baldwin was banging they they were all still around i think it was mainly just uh kefer's character of uh the little kid that they tortured and when he fell out of the tree so i think it was just i mean if i think out of anything it was more um just based around his story and they kind of just threw in everyone else's

um little little problems that they had growing up yeah i thought it was pretty well done i mean i I thought especially for 1990, the special effects were good. Like you said, I hadn't really realized so much the colors that Schumacher used, but now that you mention it, you know, you can kind of tell when they were in that realm because of the way he changed the color to reset the scene. I saw this probably four or five times in the movie theater. For some reason, it was always a date movie for me. So I don't know if I was trying to do my best work.

William Baldwin there or what, but I remember taking a video camera. Yeah, no, no video camera involved, man, but I remember it was a date movie for at least two or three different dates, but it seemed like it stayed in the theater for a pretty long time. If I remember correctly, this one and then aliens, the James Cameron one, it seemed like those two movies, I probably saw those in the theater like five times each easily. So I think they probably both had pretty good run. I mean, do you guys know what this did, box office-wise or anything, Kevin?

Oh, I have no idea, but... I'm looking at out. I see, I don't know what came out the time this came out. But I remember everyone talking about it, saying, oh, this new movie about the afterlife and everything. And I do remember the just, I mean, there was no social media or anything. So it was all just around the water cooler type of talking. Sure. yeah a lot of people did see it so but i i i assume it did good i'm not too sure because then again

i really don't know uh what it opened up against so i don't remember yeah it made 61 million off of a 26 million dollar budget hmm not too not bad for that yeah well it had a hell the cast man i forgot oh no kidding like kevin bacon showed up and i was like holy shit i forgot about him All I remembered was For Settelan. So that was pretty cool. And I think, like you said, man,

everybody did a great job with the exception of the Baldwin dude. And where was this movie set? Well, it was a college. Was it like in California or like up on the West Coast, I think? Because I haven't seen this movie in a while. And there was a scene where a cop car drove by

and it was doing that, like a, You know what I mean? I thought they were like in Washington. No. I'm thinking of the new one. I was just really... I don't know.

I don't know. I was confused and they were in like the creepiest like medical school ever because it was always dark and gloomy and like they never had lights on. Statues all around and shit. Yeah. Weird artwork. It's like a museum, museum slash hospital, huh? Yeah.

I guess people like to throw away like fog machines in the alley. Yeah, and this is not a big thing either, but the scene where Kevin Bacon basically gets the medical, or he gets suspended from school, why is he propelling out the window? Oh, come on, man. That's a good question. Don't you guys remember those crazy college days? It's got to like Val Filmer and movies or something. I'm going out of the window. Because he had full climbing gear and everything with the harness and ropes.

I'm like, later on in the movie, you see Julia Roberts leave out the door in the same building. Right. So I don't know. But, yeah, I was really confused at where this was set because it just, I don't know, by the buildings. And they never really said where the college was. Oh, they were in Chicago because I remember they were talking. They're talking about the L, which is their subway system. Oh, that's right.

Okay. Yeah, in Chicago. And I remember one of the museums or whatever they came out of, my brother used to live in Chicago. And I remember him saying, oh, that's where they film Flatliners. And I was like, all right, cool, whatever. But yeah, thinking about it, just because I was beating my brain that where the hell was? I remember seeing it. And, yeah, it wasn't.

I think you definitely have to suspend a little belief on some of your parks. on this one. Well, sure. That's why I don't really read too much into the, you know, was it their conscience, or, you know, was it their conscience that was hitting them, or was it a ghost or, you know, any of that? Because I don't think the film is deep enough to look that far into it. Okay, fair enough.

And Keeper Sutherland was a little bit intense for me. I mean, he pulled it off, but he's a little much. Yeah. Hey, let me ask you guys a question. When you guys were watching this movie, which actor out of the five do you think looked the youngest? I said Julia. Yeah, I got to go to you.

Okay. I'm going with Julia. Well, yeah, I was kind of going in a different direction. I thought, I'm beginning to wonder if Kevin Bacon ages. Because this dude was actually 10. I was looking up, he was actually 10 years older than all the other actors in the group. Oh, wow. Yeah, because he was going to be my next one.

Yeah, I mean, to me, he was. looked the youngest, but if you guys see him now, like in the following and stuff like that, this dude still looks young, man. Yeah? The darkness? Uh, the following. Oh! Forget about that. Look, when you do

8,000 movies, there's bound to be a few dead. Hey, Chuck. The star of this movie was Kevin Bacon's hair, man. It just looked awesome. Oh, fabulous. 80's hair all the way, huh? Yeah. He was in the 90s, but his hair decided to hang back a little bit, huh?

Yep. That's how his hair was in, uh, in, um, the one of the big worms, uh, tremors. It was on a little bit like that. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, tremors. But, I mean, I, overall, I mean, I did, I love this movie. It was, uh, it is a classic. I can say that.

Um, and it was, it was different for, especially early 90, it was in 90, uh, for the, for the 90s. And it was cool. especially with all these 80s stars that still wanted to be. There's still big names now. I don't know about the Baldwin guy, but the rest of them are. I mean, they're all still relevant. But it was cool for them to, from the little young roles they did in the 80s and then rolling into 90s and growing into their big boy panties and all that.

But, yeah, I liked all of them. Kiefer Sutherland, he's an amazing actor. I loved him just about everything he's done. But in this movie, man, he was kind of. hugging me because I just we just got off of uh fucking David from lost boys and doc yes yes from the younger movies sure and then this that this one came along and uh he expecting him to be all badass and he was just like an asshole in this one but yeah that was his job and he did it good yeah yeah like he couldn't fucking you're a doctor and your whole goal in life is to you know

get this stuff documented right and he doesn't tell any of them that he's had these like visions after he after he goes down. All right, well, I guess that would have ended the movie a little earlier, but Yeah, maybe, but you're right, man, that makes no sense. There should have been disclosure. You know what, you guys hit the nail in the head.

You got to suspend some disbelief for this, but you know, I mean, for the two hours, I didn't get bored with it once. I thought that every character, like you said, Baldwin was kind of he was just sort of there, but, you know, I mean, there was a reason for his character. I agree. I think this is Julia Roberts. Don't care for her too much overall, but, you know, one of her two or three best roles.

And, you know, the other three were great, man. Oliver Platt, Comic Relief. Really enjoy this movie, guys. Yeah. Yeah. That little, that dog was creepy as fuck. Oh, yeah, the crippled dog that he, the Brains fell out. Man.

Yeah. That was sad. That one got me some goosebumps when he first saw that. That dog was a great actor. Yeah, right? Best in show. They just tied his legs up and told him to come. Oh, man.

Poor doggy. All right, you guys for ratings, get ready for ratings so we can move on to the big one? Yeah. Yep. All right, Kevin. Rewatching this, seeing it, seen it numerous times before. I would give it an eight I mean I enjoy it a lot

but there is the little things that we said that yeah you got to disbelieve some of it but yeah I would give it an eight nice good score man yeah I'll go next I really enjoyed this movie like I said I saw it four or five times in the theater and a couple of rewatches on

on TV like on Sunday afternoons and then enjoyed every every bit of it when I saw it again. I'll give it a real strong seven. Definitely a really good movie. And, you know, like you guys are saying, we got five really big-name stars here. Oh, go ahead.

I think I agree with you. I'm going to give it a seven also. I think it was really creepy and pretty strong. You know, it's got 1990 written all over it, man. It's a little bit dated, and it's probably not a must-see, but it's damn close to it. I mean, you have to have seen flat ladders at some point. Great movie. I enjoyed it.

Yeah, I'm going to go a little bit higher. I'm going to give it a seven and a half. I liked everybody in it. It didn't care for Baldwin. I thought the setting was very creepy and just dark. And it went with the movie. There was a couple things I had issues with because I don't think a couple of their sins of that's what you want to call them were kind of weak. Like especially Kevin Bacon.

He just had a little girl talking shit to him. Okay. I can live with that. Right. But overall, yeah, seven and a half. This is, I think, I kind of think that for 90s horror movies, I think this, everybody should check. it out. Man, sounds like we're all in agreement.

Flatliners, well, hold on, let me specify the 1990 flatliners. I think we all strongly suggest giving it to watch if you haven't already. Modern classic. All right, moving on. Flatliners, 2017. Director was Niels Arden-Oplev from Denmark. is also known for a really damn good movie I don't know

I'd like to know if you guys have seen this one the original Danish version of the girl with the dragon tattoo the one starring Numi Rafeis You guys seen that one? No I haven't The original one? Yeah the original one

Yeah I've seen it I haven't seen the new one Oh you haven't damn I was wanting to know how you compared them I thought that this one original was hands down twice the movie of the remake, the one with James Bond in it? Really?

Much prefer this one. Yeah, and it has one of our show favorites New Meera Pace, guys. Yeah. Yeah, I really enjoyed that one. So I was looking forward to a treat with this movie when I found it he was directing. I got really excited.

And then this excited me too, guys. The writer, Ben Ripley, and he's known for probably one of my favorite movies of I guess it came out about seven or eight years ago. I don't remember the exact year, but source code. Good movie. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, that was good. Yeah, loved it, loved it. So, yeah, this has got a lot going. I was really excited about this. I liked the first one. I really liked the director's prior work and the writers. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to this, guys. So with Kiefer Sutherland returning as Nelson,

the same character he played in the 1990 version of the movie, he makes this a sequel rather than a remake. But is it the same character? I don't know it is, guys. I got a little bit. When we get the spoilers, I got a little bit of news on that. Okay.

Yeah, because he said something in an interview, and we'll get to that. Yeah, I think we read the same thing. I'm looking at some bogus trivia here. So let's just dive right into the movie. You know, Kevin, you're our guest. As always, we'd like you to go first, man.

it was a remake i mean that's the only thing you could say to this i mean it was what it was uh you got juno or what the hell is the name helen page uh forever forever that's her name yeah you got cassie and and and door uh what the hell is his name oh and he was so good in that

uh Diego luna yeah um him I don't even know who the other chick was, not the black girl, the other one. I liked her. She was hot. Oh, she was smoking hot, that's for sure. And the other dude, the rich guy, the trust fund baby,

I didn't like him at all. Well, there's your William Baldwin. Yeah, pretty much. But, I mean, this, it was what it was. Yeah? I can't tell too much without getting. into spoiler territory. So yeah, it's

flatlining. See it if you want. Same movie, basically? Pretty much. I would say so. I mean, it's almost the same damn character set up. They just tried to throw some jump scares and this movie was fucking garbage.

Oh, wow. That was awesome. You know, uh, yeah, this is like, I can't wait to get the spoilers because this movie was, I was fucking bored. I took my son to this

and apparently he liked it. My oldest daughter watched it too and they liked it. Maybe it was made for their demographic, but I was fucking bored. Every little trope as far as like horror movies that was coming up, like the, you know, jump scares

or lights about to be turned out. You've seen everyone coming. And, yeah, this Pretty telegraphed, huh? Yeah, I didn't like anybody in this movie. Diego Luna was kind of, he was all right. He was my...

Yeah, he was basically Oliver Platt in this movie. Oliver Platt in this movie. Yeah, I don't really have too much to say. This movie was garbage, so... I sat in the back, and, yeah, I'm with you, dude. I was like, oh, okay, I know what's coming. and I just started messing with my phone. I was in the very back row, so.

Yeah, my... It was only like five people in there. Yeah, my, my theater was actually packed. And my son was jumping and he was looking at me. He was like, that didn't scare you? I was like, no, stop jumping. Sit down. And I had a bunch of young youngsters in there

and they kept, like, fidgeting around, you know, trying to do something when they knew something scary. I had girls getting up, walking out of the theater, walking back in and I was like, you guys are acting like this is the next big horror movie to come. I don't know. PG-13 horror movie, huh?

Yeah. See, that's what I liked about the original flatliners is it was rated R, and they didn't really hold back, you know? This movie, on the other hand, okay, see, here we go again. It seems like it's inevitable, guys. Every time

happens. So, so, so, so, so, so I didn't see it the week you guys did. You told me, you told me I should have. I went back and I watched it and I guess I talked about it as my cool of the week, uh, was it last week or the week before? Uh, I think last week. No, I, once again, I fucked myself because I was saying, okay, so the top five's going to be tough, going to be tough to figure out, but a little bit light on the bottom five. I need some more shitty movies. why the fuck is it? Every time I say that somebody delivers.

Brian, you refer to it as a piece of garbage? It is trash. It's funny. You're being very generous. It's a thing of shit, man. As a matter, the last few movies I've seen

were pretty garbage and this was one of them. What was the other one? Wish upon? Oh, wait. No, I like that. I liked that one. That was a fun movie. Leatherface, I didn't like it.

Oh, no. Coulter Chucky. And this one. I was like, oh, come on. This one was Strike 3. You know, you know what? I've seen all those, and I can't wait until we review them because I have some shit to say about Coulter Chucky and Leather Face. Oh, hold out, please.

Let me get me a chance, guys. We'll wait. Don't spoil me too much. You know what was so shitty about this, though? I can't believe this is the same fucking guy who wrote source code. Something's wrong here. All they were basically doing was stealing lines from the previous film, verbatim, and just moving them around to a couple of different characters.

Again, then you've got, we'll talk about it, I guess, in spoilers, but there supposedly there was a big, quote-unquote, twist, I didn't give a fuck about the twist. Nothing to me, nothing. This thing was garbage, man. Philip, you rounded out, man. We can get to ratings, and I'm done with this. Yeah.

I think I made a good decision and did not watch it. Oh, that's right. Okay. All right, Kevin, what's your score, man? I'll give it like a one. Ouch. I'm not going that low. All right, that's like picking in the...

Well, um... Both of them simultaneously. If I base it, I mean, I liked Cassie and Andor, uh, Diego Luna. I liked his character. Okay. He seemed to be the one to care the most. I'll go up one point to a two. Yeah, you got to at least give half a point to the...

Her name, the extra's name is Nina Dobrev. Yeah, she was right. Give it a 5 or 6 if you would have to show something, but they didn't. Marlowe. Yeah, and it was PG-13, man. Man, give me a break. You know what?

I'm not going to go. This movie's a fucking one. A one. Wow. Now I have to watch it. This movie will be showing up on my bottom. My bottom list, definitely. Oh, man. But how does it compare to Cuso?

Cuso? You know what? I have not tried to... I'm not done with that movie. I've never went back to it. I didn't finish it. So I don't know. Maybe something happens at the end that'll, you know, steer me from that. But, you know, I'll put a hold on that one. But right now, Flatline is you're firmly on that list. All right. I watched a bye-bye man again, and I enjoyed that more than sidelineers.

Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, you can at least laugh at the acting in the movie. Right. Oh, boy. Oh, man. Well, my next one. I'll be a little nicer.

I'll give it a two. But it's, it's definitely, it's definitely, it's definitely, it's definitely, it's definitely. Definitely. If we did our bottom five today, it would be, it would be on there. It would be on there, no doubt. The effects were good. I did like that. It was updated effects, and that was cool, but that didn't save this movie. I mean, I think if it was a sequel, like, well, I guess we'll get to that in a minute. Right.

I mean, do you guys want to get into spoilers? Is it even worth doing a spoiler section on this one or what? Yeah, exactly question. Yeah, let's go ahead and do it. All right. Ready when you guys are. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. All right. Yeah, I don't know, Kevin, if we read the same thing, but this is a sequel because there is a deleted scene that would have been at the end

explaining that Kiefer Sutherland's character is Nelson. He just changed his name. Yeah, that's what I read. So I sat and watched the credits and I was going, okay, well, maybe they'll show something at the end because he did pop up in there quite a bit. Sure. when he was going

when they found out that Juno character, when her character died, that was the big twist. He was like, when he was talking to all of them, he goes, well, is there something you guys want to tell me? And I was hoping I thought he was going to pay something. Then he would have, we were going to get a payoff there.

Yeah, because my son was asking, my son was asking why did they keep, why did he keep showing this guy like he's important to the story? Because he didn't watch the original. So I was like, that's, you know, that was the main character from the original. And he was like, well, he's kind of not doing anything in this movie. And I was like, yeah, you're right. I don't, I don't know why he's in this movie. Well, I guess he fucked his leg up pretty bad when he was. Yeah, but

I guess, I guess he was about to go through the whole, like, explaining who he was. And I guess they cut it out because they felt like the younger audience wouldn't get it. Because they, they assume they haven't seen the original one. I think I would have given it a higher score if they would have went that route. Me too. Me too. And had to reveal himself. And what I wanted, and I would probably give it a higher score again, was if Juno found,

I don't even remember her character's name, if she would have found Nelson's old work. And then. Ah, okay. And then, okay, let me try to do what he did. Then I would have been cool. She just thought of this whole, the exact same idea that Nelson character had, the first one, Keith was character, and just did it her own way.

And the other thing that bug me was, I mean, what I loved in the original one, it was all just a makeshift equipment that they just hauled into this old abandoned museum. And in this one Dwight from the Friggin school Yeah In this one They had

Every modern thing All the new Equipment There for them to use Because supposedly there was a What was it like a bomb shelter Type of hospital They built under the hospital

With all working equipment And they so they had everything They had CT scans All that crap And Still couldn't do anything Better than For Kee for

the gang did in that little makeshift lab in the museum. All in perfect working condition, huh? Yeah, I was kind of like, oh, you bullshit. How did you guys... Go ahead.

Did they do kind of the same thing where they like they would experience some sort of near-death thing and then not fucking tell their friends who are fixing to do the same thing that they're doing? Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

But I was going to ask you... how did you guys feel about their I guess their gifts they received for coming out of being flatline they're like one would be super smart or you know what I didn't I didn't even I didn't even pay attention to that man I didn't even

realize that happened I got to I have a confession to make guys I fell asleep twice during this movie so I think I missed somebody going under and then I think toward the end I missed something weird with a with a douchebag guy but you know full disclosure

yeah that's why I'm probably giving it a two instead of a one you didn't you didn't miss anything I don't think I miss much no they would they would come back from being flatlined and like Juno would be like I guess she would remember everything she's ever learned even like playing the piano that she learned

when she was like 12 or something and a douche guy was apparently all of a sudden a great doctor and was like helping people in the hospital, which was kind of weird because, you know, you should be a good doctor helping people anyways. Right. That's about the dumbest bullshit I've ever heard. It was, I mean, that was just the little things that they threw in

to change it from the original story. And all those little changes they added, did nothing to the movie or the story and this movie was bullshit. It was just basically all the shit that happened in the original movie was the exact same stuff

and the new one. Just some little twist on each one. That was it. You know what? I just remember something. I'm going to bump mine up to a one and a half because the funniest thing probably happened in the theater in a long time when the sex scene came up.

There was a couple that brought there had to have been an eight-year-old son. And that lady lost her shit in the theater. She grabbed her kid and just was like, Jesus! And they stormed out of there. It was the funniest shit. And they didn't even show anything. No.

Oh, man. What does he think was going to happen? I don't know. They didn't, actually, they didn't storm out right away. It was the second sex scene that popped up like 10 minutes later. well that might be what i slept through oh man i mean the the part i had that made me laugh was uh when after cassie and uh brung it to that one chick um

as soon as they were done he just put his clothes on he was ready to roll out he wasn't even going to stick around he just he just shook it off and all right i'm out oh man back back back to the frat house huh oh man but uh Yeah, this movie. See it if you want, but I'd say avoid it. But if you didn't see the original one, if you've listened this far,

we spoiled the hell out of it for you. But yeah, like Brian said, this was made for the young guys. This wasn't for us. Well, that's a shame. Yep. Didn't miss much this time, Philip. All right, guys. Well, I guess that wraps it up.

So as always, we, of course, want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at the Horror Returns at gmail.com. Be sure to follow us. Where, Brian? At Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, everything. All right. Nez, where can we find you, man?

Same places. Look up MacNES Podcast or E Society on Facebook. MacNez on Instagram. MacNess Pod on Twitter. All my shows and everything I'm affiliated with is on Podbean at SkaterNez Podcast Network. And that same thing is on iTunes. And I pop up on here. I post on their page every night.

now and then. Also listen to my segment, Native Side with Nes, on the Horocopia podcast. Yeah, everywhere else. I'm sure you guys already know my voice and who I am. So, yeah. But, I mean, I think you guys.

I always have a blast when I come on here. Man, you guys are my brothers. Much love to all you. And Lance and Phil, your lovely wives. Thanks again for an awesome time. And then down in Texas for a bright man. I definitely can't wait. Oh, I just listened to your guys's

interview with the creepy hollows. Was how it was called? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, next year when you guys go, let me know I want to come down and go, because that sounded awesome. Oh, man, I think we're going to make it an annual event. Phillips, is that the impression you got from Harold?

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, let's do it, man. Yeah, I'd like to come down there. Oh, hey, Inez, tomorrow night my wife and I are going to be checking out a movie you've talked about quite a bit Wind River. Oh, awesome movie. I loved it.

Saw it four times. Wow. That's all? I thought you'd seen it more like five or six by now, man. I wish, but too many things that keep coming out. Can't wait for Blade Runner this week. Yeah. Speaking of Blade Runner, next week it's going to be the long-awaited Blade Runner 2049, as well as

the discussion of the original, and we're going to be joined by our guest, Patrick Lear. I know he's an avid listener of your shows, too, Kev, and he's, I think, our number one contributor on the Facebook stuff, so always good to have Patrick on. So, until the horror returns again, good night.