The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #71: Blade Runner (1982) & Blade Runner 2049 (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: April 9, 2022

We check out the Blade Runner saga, joined by special guest Patrick Lear. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= SK8ER Nez Podcast Network https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A

victims. For those of you delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major Plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Each episode we seek out and review a brand new horror movie or sci-fi. We do a lot of sci-fi these days, don't we guys? Yeah, they kind of go hand in hand.

Oh man, they go hand in hand Indeed Well, hey, this time the two movies went really hand in hand Because we've got the original Blade Runner And then the follow-up, Blade Runner 2049 And we're going to include spoilers for the new movie But we'll wait until the very end And you guys will know

Because we have a very distinctive spoiler alert And if you don't want to hear the spoilers at that time Just turn us off right there And we promise you won't miss a thing You can pick it up later we may use a few four-letter words this is a horror podcast and we're going to be R-rated

just like most good horror movies I'm Lance what's that Brian I didn't say anything oh man oh that was me I said yeah we're definitely going to be R-rated all right it wasn't me

all right well everybody who listens regularly knows Brian Phillip and Lance but who is with us tonight Patrick Hey guys, how's it going? Patrick Lear, our good friend and contributing editor. Probably our number one Facebook guy.

Patrick, we really appreciate that good write-up you gave us for Blood Drive that you sent to us a couple months ago, right? Yeah, I wish sci-fi had read it too. I know, right? I totally agree with everything he said. about it. Yeah, I love it, man. I don't, but, but was this done on purpose?

I mean, isn't this supposed to be kind of like an analogy thing, this? Maybe, you know, Grindhouse? Possibly, and maybe that's how they're treating it, but I would have thought that they would have come out and told you, hey, this is an anthology thing, and, you know, but who knows? I mean, I hope that's the case, because I, I think that, I mean, I kind of agree with what you had said about, you know, it really wasn't said it to be a series, right? an ongoing series anyway, which I kind of agree with.

But I was kind of hoping maybe they would do some of the, like, similar to, like, was it the American Horror Story where they use the same actors, but then go into a different story or something. Yeah, because they're all great. Yeah, especially the guy playing the bad guys, Zama Kim members. Oh, yeah. It's such a phenomenal job. I was like, man, I'm a fan of his now, so whatever he's in, I'm going to watch.

So I just, I liked him before when he was in falling skies. And then when he just did this character, it was just so over the top. And I just loved it. So I pretty much, he made me a fan of pretty much anything he's going to do in the future. Sure. Definitely pulled it off. So hopefully they do something. I mean, I'd still like to see him keep the grindhouse thing going, you know, regardless

if it's another story of set up or whatever. But I guess we just have to wait and see. So. Well, I did notice that that my show favorite, Christina Ochoa, is already, she's already in a new TV series

coming out called Valor. Have you guys seen anything about that one? Uh-uh. I saw a brief preview. I didn't catch the whole preview, but it looks like it's kind of based off of that movie act of Valor, but it's like a TV series.

Could be. So, yeah, I'm unsure if that's what it was, but that's what it looked like. That's what it reminded me at. what little bits and pieces of it I saw. So that can be interesting. Yeah, I got a feeling she's got quite a career ahead of her. Definitely.

All right, well, Pat, what's the coolest thing you've seen or read? For me, I've been watching Mr. Mercedes. Oh. That series is, I've loved it. I mean, it's been such a great series. It's well written. It follows the book really well. although I did just watch season or episode nine which I think is like I don't know if it's a season finale or the next one to it but it veered off a little bit from the book which but it still worked I mean with what they did so don't tell me anything man but I'm not sure if that like I said I don't know if that was a season finale or if that was like we're getting up to it I wasn't sure because I'm not sure how many episodes it goes right but I've really enjoyed it I mean it's it's just been a really great series it's well casted

and the fact that it's followed the books so well has been really nice so I'm kind of looking forward to seeing where they go with it from here so so you're almost at the end of the first season I'm just a couple episodes in have they pretty much covered the entire first book then yeah pretty much okay so you think they'll do like seasons two and three

to wrap up the trilogy that's kind of what I that was the impression that I was getting until this last episode Oh, no. So with this last episode, they may, I don't really know what they're going to do with it just yet. I would like to think that they're still going to use those books as source material, but they may be planning on, I don't know, maybe if they're looking to extend it longer than just past the three books. So they've made some changes to do that.

So that may be the only thing I could see that they're doing, which like I said, if they do it right, I'm okay with. because they have been pretty true to the book for the most part. And it's been entertaining the whole way through. So, you know, if it's one of those where it's successful enough that they can get past the three books and still carry on with the characters, so I'm okay with that. But we'll just have to kind of see how it goes. Yeah, well, for that to be your cool of the week, and that's a pretty big accomplishment since you're going through the 31 days of horror. Brian, what did you pick this week?

Was yours out of your 31 days? Actually, no. I was going to talk about Fox's new X-Men show, The Gifted. Oh. I actually dug the first episode, and the reason being is we got all new mutants in this one. We didn't get rehash with any that we've seen in any of the movies. I mean, there's one, the character Blink. She's a character, you know, but she wasn't feeling really heavily featured.

Okay. But, yeah, I really dug it. I dug the story. You know, it's supposed to coincide with the movies, but I guess in this timeline and the show, there's no X-Men and there's no brotherhood. And the mutants are being hunted right now, so they got the mutant underground going on. And I just really dug it. I thought it was fresh not to, you know, see Storm and Cyclop. you know, just rehashed over and over again.

So, and, uh, it hit, hit on the little, uh, nostalgia notes for me because, uh, somebody cell phone rings and it's like the theme song for the X-Men cartoon. Really? Oh, cool. Yeah. So I thought that was really cool. They did that. So, yeah.

I mean, it's, it's, it's only one episode, but so far, I dig it. Well, that's interesting. I have to check it out because Marvel hasn't been anything new since it's a mid-90, so. Right. interesting to see. Yeah, I had no desire to see this, so maybe, maybe I'll check it out now, Brian. Yeah, I mean, you never know with, with these, like, marbles, like, I just, as a matter of fact, I checked out the first episode of Inhumans.

Yeah? That is a piece of shit. Oh, wow. As bad as the previous? Yeah, I already heard it's canceled already. They just haven't, they just haven't formally. announced it, but I heard it's canceled. And it was such a waste

to film the whole thing in IMAX too. Right. I think the casting on that was a little off too, although I will say Anson Mount as Black Bolt, I watched the first two episodes, and it was okay and he did a better job than what I expected,

but it was still just not what I was used to. Is that, was that Ramsey Bolton? No, that was Anson Mount was, he was a lead character in a series called Hell on Wheels. Okay. And if you haven't ever seen that...

That's a Western. It's on... Yeah, it's fantastic Western, too. It's really good. It's on Netflix, so check it out sometimes if you want something new to watch. But he just wasn't Black Bolt to me.

You know, Black Bolt, I liked him all right, but he just... I'm not a huge In Humans fan or anything. I mean, I read a little bit of him in the books, but the character was just different than, you know, I mean, of course, he doesn't talk or anything.

He has no lines. But, um, yeah, I don't like this, I don't like this sign language thing that he's doing. Yeah. You know, I thought that made sense, though, in a way. I mean, if you can't communicate vocally, sign language, which kind of makes sense. But it is different than the way they were in the Marvel books. So, um, you know, and you would think in this day and age with Marvel and the inhumans, they would just have someone who's like using telepathy to communicate with him or something.

And they just translate for him. Yeah. But, um, well, but we have to be accepting to everyone. I suppose. All right, Philip, what did you see, man? It was a big thing to say, wasn't it? I got to go, uh, I went with one of Kevin Ness's, uh, suggestions with, uh, wind river. It was, uh, awesome.

Okay. Yeah, you guys seen that one? Not yet. I was supposed to see it with AJ the other night. We ended up watching the first Blade Runner instead. Yeah, dude, it's really good. It's kind of a slow burn. Sort of in the same vein of the Blade Runner where they don't,

there's not a ton of dialogue. And you kind of have to figure it out. But it's more of like a crime drama kind of thing. It was really good, though, really well done. also I want to talk about American horror story yeah okay Brett have you seen the last one

no I'm one I'm one episode behind it's okay Sarah Paulson is killing me in this show I completely understand you because she drives me insane like I'm I was until this last episode

I have been sorry for her die every single like but this last episode is less political which okay you lean political and it

it's right to do that's why people don't talk about politics and religion because it uses people or politics and the horror returns right and so why would you talk about politics

in a show that you're trying to get mass people to watch. But that's our world. Yeah. Now, the last episode was pretty good. It's at least finally leaning away from the politics and more

towards the board. Good. Good. Which I'm still ready for what's her name? Sarah Paulson. Yeah. I'm still ready for her to know. Like I'm... Oh, man. Come on now. She's not that

she's too much I'm expecting her to turn it around and end up being the hero by the end of it so much screaming yeah so much screaming she's like like a bitch not like a mean bitch

but like a like a bitch right yeah kind of helps stand up for yourself man do something give her a chance that's going to be part of her story story art I'm sure it is

It is. Lines like a bitch, the whole first half of the season. Right. All right. Well, my cool of the week, yeah, it was going to be Star Trek. Patrick, you're right. I mean, the third episode hooked me. First two episodes I wasn't getting into it, but by the third, I'm like, I'm totally on board now.

So I'm really glad I picked up all access, and I can't wait to see how this goes. but no my cool of the week is I'm actually Patrick you and I talked about this right after I get out of watching it I told you I was going to have to reread the book and that's what I'm doing man I'm about a third of the way through it and that's what I did almost all day today

was just read the fucking about a third of the 1,200 page book yeah oh wow there's so much detail no I was good to say I love the way in the book the way it goes back and forth between like you'll have a chapter them as adults and then a chapter as kids?

Right. Yeah, I've never read it. Yeah, which I hear the second movie's going to be like that. With flashbacks? It almost have to be. Okay. I like the flashback idea better when it's like, if they're doing it, like, you're talking about it, where they flashback to the kids and then they still have the adults.

As opposed to what they did with the TV show where they were like adults and flashed back. Well, there's not enough story of just adults. Right. Really carry a whole movie. They're just not. Yeah. Because 90% of the book is in remembering stuff as they're coming back together and all those stuff. And it's, I enjoyed that because I reread it this summer when I found out the movie was coming out and stuff.

And, man, I enjoyed every minute of it. it became probably one of my favorite Stephen King Buck on a second read-through. It just, I just loved it. It was so, you know, very, I mean, it almost felt just like, you know, like the whole standby me thing with the kids going to see the body and all that stuff. It had that same kind of feel to it, you know, just different, you know, of course, with the monster and stuff, and it was different. But it's just, it's such a great book.

It's a phenomenal read. And I recommend anybody that is a fan of the movie, should definitely entry. I tried to read the book at some point. All right. Well, that's it. That's the cool of the week then. So, Brian, we got any horror headlines? Eli Ross Death Wish is being moved from November 22nd

all the way to March 2nd next year. What? What does that have to do with the Vegas thing, man? It probably has more to do with how good the movie is. Yeah, that's what I... But the rumor is Netflix is going to delay the release the Punisher. Oh,

no way! That's not confirmed yet, though. It's not confirmed. Don't do it, Netflix, don't do it. Yeah, don't do it. No shit. That's wrong. I've been waiting for that one for a long time.

Yeah, don't let the terrorists win, right? Exactly. And if anybody cares. If anybody cares, Polaroid is moving up from December to November, so if anybody's interested. Okay.

Not really. That probably has nothing to do with how good the movie is. News this week was slim picking, so. Unfriended 2 and the Gallows 2 were secretly filmed. If anybody cared about the first two. I've never seen Unfriended. That's just one of those movies that came out, and I'm like, yeah, I'll pass. Yeah, I've seen The Gallows, and it was a shit movie.

so um but apparently they made they made a lot of money though oh no yeah so sequels are coming uh let's see the x-men spin-off gamut movie is finally found a director and it's going to be gore verbensky really yep with channing tatum interesting unfortunately channing tatum is still attached to this He is a tag. Okay. Why is it, unfortunately? I don't buy him. I don't see him doing this southern Cajun accent.

Oh, I think he can pull it off. Okay. I mean, I got a little, I got a little bit of hope because of the Kingsman. I thought, I thought he put a little work into that, that accent that he was using. Yeah, he was good in that. Yeah. Well, the female cattle, like it, you know, as they refer to him to chatting, chatting, Tate Yom. right okay hold on stop stop the presses guys i've got a much better idea and so and this is somebody

gore verbensky has worked with recently oh my gosh you're you ready oh my gosh have an open mind would this guy not make the perfect gambit brian who am i talking about are we talking about dandah god no why not he needs he needs he needs hang it up. He's a take a nap. Yeah, he does need to do.

He's already proven he could do a perfect Keanu, you know? I like him. I really do, but yeah, he definitely needs to take that.

I might like him in a different type of movie, but the movies he's been in so far, I haven't been much into him. Okay. Dane Dihal, hold on,

let's just bring back the Cureful Wellness Test. Dane DeHan is Gambit. Mia Gaw can be rogue, and Jason Isaac can shave his head be Professor X.

Boom. That is a strange movie. Yeah, if I sound better, I'll switch to take on. Okay. So, do you think he'll be able to handle a superhero movie?

Vervinsky? Or, yeah, Gore Vervinsky. Well, yeah, he did all those Pirates of the Caribbean. And those were real, like, yeah, effects heavy. And didn't,

Didn't he do the original Total Recall to? Did he part of that? Oh, wow. Well, you're, you're interviewing us. It was either him or Paul Verhoeven. I don't remember which, but. Okay. Hmm.

But, Gerhovin did Robocop. I know that. Didn't, he did showgirls? Didn't Verbensky do the Lone Ranger? Unfortunately. This is looking, this is looking bad.

Are you thinking Johnny Depp is Gambit? Oh, geez. Oh, gosh. You know, that could go really bad. Or Army Hammer is gaming. Oh, my gosh. I don't know. I have not enjoyed a Johnny Depp movie.

I don't know. That one movie he's got coming out, he looks pretty good, but he's not deleting it. The murder on the Orange Express. Right. Oh, yeah. But maybe it's... That one's got an all-star cast, man.

Maybe that's why I'm interested because he's not the lead of the movie. I've never really had an issue with him, but yeah, man, he puts out some fingers. Yeah, he puts a few out, especially some of that Kevin Smith bullshit that he's in. And Eric, if you're listening to us, fuck you. Kevin Smith sucks. I like Kevin Smith. I don't mind Kevin Smith. It just depends on what he's doing.

Oh, Hope is a big Kevin Smith fan too. the hope that was on the Mummy episode with us? She is? Yeah. I don't remember the last film. I think it may be a Jay and Silent Bob was the last one I liked.

That's the problem. That's been a while. Which I guess he's rebooting that. Yeah, he's getting ready to redo another one or something. I thought dogma was kind of funny. Yeah, dogma was good. Yeah, it had a moment. It was when he tried to do all.

And actually, I didn't totally hate Daredevil. I know a lot of people didn't like it. I didn't hate it. It wasn't my favorite, but I didn't hate it. Yeah. Netflix, the Devil's ten times better. Oh, yeah. And our final little bit of news, Judy Greer has been casted as Jamie Lee Curtis's daughter in the upcoming Halloween movie.

Oh, I can see that. She's on everything. Yeah. I like that. I'm perfectly fine with this. Yeah. Yeah. That's all the news we have.

Very slow news. I thought there would be no more news because of New York Comic-Con, but apparently not. Well, we'll probably get it next week. Patrick, you ready to take that trip? Yeah, let's get on down to the trailer park. Brian, what's our first new trailer this week, man? We're going to start off with Netflix's The Babysitter, starring Bella Thorne. That's the very, very weird.

starring Bella Thorne and directed by Mick G Oh, I like the TV show he did Chuck Other than that, I don't think I've liked much of anything he's done It's hard to like somebody with the name Mick G Right Yeah I don't think other than Terminator Salvation I don't think I've ever seen anything else

Oh, he's done a lot, man He does a lot of producing One of your favorite TV shows He's executive producer on Brian lethal weapon. Oh, okay. I'm on board then. You know that's a supernatural. Yeah, lethal weapon grew on me, though.

I still, still, they need to change the name because it's not lethal weapon, but that show grew on me. Hey, you got a second season, man. They must be doing something right. Yeah. Babysitter looks fine. It looks like a horror comedy. Yeah, it's fun. I'm glad.

Go ahead. I was just going to say, it's definitely got my attention. I'll watch it. Yeah, and the Bella Thorne in the trailer gets shot, so I'm cool with that. Right and wrong with that. Yeah. That's better than the last movie she was supposed to be in with that Amyville horror thing. Which is out now.

Oh, is it? If people want to go sailing, they want to go sailing, it's out. Mm-hmm. I think that between her and Zendaya, I feel like she was... I really, look, I know this is a dumb thing to talk about and even bring up because it's a stupid Disney show. But I think that, uh, I think that she's the star waiting to break out. She just hasn't done yet. This may be it.

I'll watch it, but, uh, not funny. Release date, uh, October 13th on Netflix. Hopefully it'll come out before her Amityville movie, right? Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. Next one we're going to talk about is Replica starring Keanu Reeves, directed by Jeffrey Notchmanoff.

Her? Jeffrey Notchmanoff. Okay. This trailer seemed to kind of drop out of nowhere. I didn't even know this was even being made. It looks interesting enough. Right. Yeah, it kind of reminded me a little bit of my kind of robot.

Oh, yeah. Isaac Asimov kind of feel to it. Yeah, I was just, just watched a trailer before we started recording. And, you know, it almost looks like Will Smith or pop up because it looks like the same exact robots. Yeah, and they talked about them being clones in the, in the, in the, in the, the trailer. But then they looked like they were robots. What is it? Is it clones or is it robots?

You have to watch them. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they're cloning, well, maybe it's their robots, but they're putting, like, the way I kind of got from the trailer is like, so they're robots, but they've maybe somehow transferred their personalities into the robots or something. You know, similar to like, I don't know if you remember, what was it, the sixth day with Arnold Schwarzeneglia where they were. Oh, transferring their psyche over into the clones or something, but using robots instead of actual clones, maybe. I'm not sure, but it looked kind of interesting. I'll probably give it a watch.

Yeah. Once robots roll around, they're going to be sex robots. You know that. Sure. Oh, of course. They're already out. Yeah. I mean, the furthest thing along as far as, you know, another, like, person that is a robot is,

the sex industry has got to be. Well, the first time you could make, you could make an artificial woman that you can control how much she talks and stuff like that. We're going to be a billionaire overnight. I think the fuck up. You know, more than half our, I think at least half our listeners are women. Well, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that to offend the women.

I'm just saying, you know that's what's going to happen. Anybody that they can control them, they're going to be a millionaire overnight. You're not going to have any of, I mean. If you're listening to this podcast, you already know what ticks back. So it's just a matter of, you know, there's just a matter of, you know, there's most people out there. I mean, look at, look at the little blue pill what it did overnight. I mean, you know those guys,

the ones that don't want any, you know, just they, that's the first thing they're going to do. So, I mean, yeah, of course, the sexual bots are going to be out there. Right. It also brings about the future. There you have. But I'm sure there's a lot of women out there that would like a guy that

will do whatever they say too, so I'm sure they'll be fair enough. Ordering them up too, so. Turn about his fair play, right? Yeah. All right. Replica's no release date yet, so probably early next year.

Moving on to the next trailer. Pacific Rim Uprising starring John Boygo. It's former six, what? I love the first Pacific Rim. I did too, but this doesn't look like it's going to be that movie. It does. I mean, it shouldn't be because of Guillermo del Toro's not doing it, but it still looks fun. Right.

And it intrigues me on why Yeagers are fighting each other. Right. There's a couple scenes in the trailer where it looks like, I believe, looks like some military people got blown up. They got fired upon by one of the Yeagers. So I don't know if the uprising has to do with people taking control of Yeagers and using them. so I think it's interesting I'm in well and we'll see

what John Boyega can do outside of Star Wars because he was like okay in that oddly annoying so uh... he was going to attack the block that's the first thing I saw him in yeah I'm glad they're letting him use his accent

in this instead of just just let him just be himself because he's supposed to be Idris's son in this movie right so yeah and I haven't seen Detroit with him in it yet either.

Yeah, he was good. I'm curious to see. I mean, this one to me look like it's definitely one of those you see for fun. I don't know it'll less so to be like a great movie. I mean, the first one was okay, but it was

fun, fun watching. Yeah. It's like rock and knock on the big screen. Oh, release date March 23rd. Okay, and I'm sure you'll make us watch it, so we'll

Yes, we will. And our final trailer is Annihilation, starring Natalie Portman, Jennifer Jason Lee, Tessa Thompson, Oscar Isaac, Gina Rodriguez, and Benedict Wong,

directed by Alex Garland, who is the writer and director of ex Machina. Wow. What did you guys think? That was the first word that I said when I was done watching this preview. Wow.

Yeah. Natalie Portman is an interesting person. Right. I think this movie is going to be big ass. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you there. It looks super interesting.

And it's just watching the trailer just like makes you ask a lot of questions, especially what's going on. You know, there's a scene where it looks like there's people that are turned into plants or something or flowers. Wow. No idea. But I'm in 100%. Yeah. And it's just, what's going on?

Yeah. And it's definitely going to be cerebral from what I could tell. Mm-hmm. And X. Markina was such a great movie that, yes. That the director, the writer and director is doing this one. That already had me interested in the first place. Yeah. I think we're all in, guys.

Release date February 23rd. And that is it. All right. Cool. well uh philip we got any uh halloween themed feedback yet so a lot of people who are doing their own 31 days of horror for october so uh i guess that's kind of Halloween themed uh god damn it every time bead bead bead bead sorry fucking every time beat from the super network sent us a hit list sent us his list uh he's doubling up each day with

two films so yeah Wow. Good look with that. Bill Longa says, don't think we'll make a horror movie every night for October, but we started yesterday with the House's Octoberville.

Okay, sure. I'll start with. Here's where I admit I like found footage, right? It's a good movie. Patrick O'Brien. Oh, shit, hang on. Sorry, guys The bat signal, the Aquaman signal, or what?

Yeah, that's what happens. Sounds like a brown moot. Yeah. That part out. My template went away, and I have something to read. Okay. Patrick and Brian have both created their own list. And you can follow them daily at the Horror Returns Facebook group.

we encourage all listeners to do the same. We want to see everybody's lists. All right. Where are you people find the time to watch a movie every single day? Because I can't even find time to think. I work for the government, so that helps. Well, yeah. Regarding the loved ones, Ryan Stevens says that film is fantastic.

And contains some of the cringiest father-daughter. scenes I've ever witnessed. Okay. Yeah, that is a good movie. We watched a movie this week. It may beg the differ. Maybe, okay. Previous guest, Carl McAllis, says,

Hey, gentlemen, just wanted to let you know we've got another five-star rating on your hands. Keep up great work. And please, oh. Oh, we got two iTunes. Two new iTunes for you guys. Yes. All right.

We sure do. I'm going to read them if I haven't. Maybe Lance will read those. Regarding which board, Kevin Nez says, hell yeah, hell of good. That sounds like a Kevin knows about which. Regarding Splinter, Marcus Will Turner says,

definitely an underrated gym. Sean Pipes says, never seen this one. I'm going to have to change that. regarding Salem's lot Eric King says scared the piss

out of me when I was a kid Eddie Ramirez says thanks now it's on my docket for tonight hey not a bad thing

regarding sorority babes in the slime ball ballerama that is a name right there just this is me that is a name

right there that that is right in competition with what was the one with the avocado jungle of death? Cannibal women.

Cannibal women. Cannibal women. Or sorority babes in the slime ball ballerama. I'm going to pick sorority babes. Sorry. That's a good one. It's a pretty wild movie. I think Linnea Quigley's in that, right?

Yeah, I think so. Great. Regarding cult of Chucky, Stephen Loblad says, I was fined until he in. what the fuck was that? I bet we get another one. Yeah, I hope we do. I hope we get 10 more, Stephen.

I'm sure we will. It's not like they're slowing down. Each one more low budget than the next. Did you have those iTunes reviews? Yeah, I can go through these real quick. All right, so we got our first one, which we already know, is from Carl. And he had promised us one. a perfect podcast for all your weekly horror needs.

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You're welcome on the show anytime, Carl. Like, look, any fans that really want to be on the show, you know, we got to get Lars on here at some point. That would be great, man. Like, he's a big picture. I don't know how big the accident is, but he was just on Denny's podcast. Really? Yeah. So you need to come on.

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And if you're watching us on YouTube and Facebook, hi, everybody. So go over to the Podbean.com and go like our friends, the Horror Returns. This is great. So today we watched episode five of American horror story. I'm going to set a timer while Kate goes through the nuggets. Okay, great. So it was called Holes, and we drank a lot for that one. We did. We drank

for this title. But, um, so one of the first things we did was we found out who all the clowns were. So this was kind of, we've had a lot of guesses about oh, this clown, you know, who the clowns are, and we finally got them all to take their masks off when they were murdering Bob's hook love

friend, um, is what we're calling him. Yeah, sure. The Gimp. The Gimp. The Gimp. Sure. That's a term. Oh, yeah, that is. I was like, who was the Gimp? When they called?

But, yeah. So, we saw Harrison. We saw Beverly, who has the hand horns. Kai with the Diknos. Rainbow slutty clown is winter. Ivy was the elephant. Brain clown with the rough was Ralph.

And no, fuzzy hair with the rough is a cameraman. Who is also the jerk-off clown. Yes. So we kind of saw all of our players there. We also saw in the other. murder Meadow with the Coffins. She was there as another slutty clown. So we got

all of our clowns unmas. But the original murder was the reporter and that was Harrison Meadow and Kai. Yeah. Yes. So just pop up for your information. According to Urban Dictionary com, a gimp is a sex

slave or submissive, usually male as popularized by the movie Pulp Fiction. There we go. That's what a gimp is. Now you know. Now you know. So next, let's talk about what's going on with Meadow. So it, I...

Okay, let me start with. This is a weird episode because we went to go back to look for nuggets. We didn't feel like we had a lot, but I feel like we'll be able to talk about a lot. Now we have a lot of nuggets. Yeah. But, so the first one was Meadow. So she's been missing. and then we have this scene where

Allie sees Harrison like carrying things around and being maybe sketchy she's looking at him through a telescope so she's being sketchy also and then she finds Meadow in his backyard in a grave and Meadows says Help Meadow. And then she chases her back to the house

and bangs the door and says help me and it gets kidnapped. So what's going on with Meadow? And she's missing from the meeting. Yes, she's missing from both meetings. She's missing. since she went missing. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I think the problem is is Meadow was never converted. She was a tag-along. She was a tag-along. But she's part of the clown posse. She is, but I don't think she ever bought into it. So after the second murder, I think she was having second thoughts.

But when Ivy walked in, she asked Harrison, where's Meadow? And he said, oh, she's with a friend. Yeah. I think that was a little. lie. I agree. Well, no, someone came and kidnapped her from that window.

Who was that? That was... Because they're at Kai's house, remember? We don't know 100% who it was. They weren't at Kai's house when they were making out in Harrison's house. Yeah. When Allie snuck over and found meadow... So, I had a hole.

Yeah. But then we're to assume that when we saw him throwing the popcorn at Detective Brough, that was at Kai's house. The meeting was at Cai's house Yes Yes Yes Then went to Cai's house

For a meeting And they're still asking about Meadow But so the timeline is Harrison and Ralph Detective Ralph Dumped Meadow in a hole Alive Right

Made up kissy kissy We gotta go to a meeting Yeah Allie comes across the street And discovers Meadow in a hole but we don't know that they went to the meeting before that. Yeah. They could have snatched her back, put her back in her hole, and then gone to the meeting.

That is true. Yeah. Can you go up your phone over? Oh, sorry. Yeah, we don't know the timeline between the meeting and the kidnapping or the alley find the thing. Right, but what are they trying to do with Meadow? Are they just trying to keep her out of the club? I think maybe Harrison was supposed to have killed her because she's not,

because she was also a weak link, but he couldn't because he also loves her. He loves her. And so he was going to just, I'll do the best next thing. I'll bludgeon her and put her in a home. On the barrier. And it'll be fine. It'll sort of tell that. Do we not think that Kai is partially responsible for Meadow?

Because last episode, he asks Harrison, do you wish she was dead? Yeah, and she said yes And that was the episode of Kai being everyone's savior Of Kai solving everybody's problems He never solved him at those problems That's not what I'm saying What I'm saying it was Harrison Because Harrison was the one who was like

Yeah, I do wish she was dead Right I think that conversation I'm thinking this is her This may be her last step to initiation Because her biggest fear was Dying Before she'd ever touched a man again

Yeah. That was her biggest fear. So I think partially, my theories have been wrong. Yeah, super-d-wrote. But what if the part of initiation to this cult is that you have to face your biggest fear. Yes. And that way nothing can really scary. Since you faced your biggest fear, nothing else can really frighten you.

Yeah. So Meadow's biggest fear was dying before she ever touched another man. I don't know what Harrison's biggest fear was. So you're saying they killed her? Like in quotes. That's putting Dr. Valentine. Yeah. Daddy doctor.

Uh, I'm sorry, what? Daddy doctor. I'm Daddy doctor. Shian Jackson. He's gorgeous. Daddy. Because he's hot. Okay.

Uh, Andrew does, and, and, and, Shian Jackson, just let you know Andrew doesn't think you're hot. Ah, not into it. Just putting that out there.

Silence. Blushing silence. Oh, shit. Because, All of Kai's conversions that we saw were Harrison and Adina Porter and... Winter. Right. No, we didn't see him convert Winter.

No, we didn't see him, but anyway. And Chas Bono. Yeah. Yes. All of that was about empowering someone who felt like they were helpless. Okay. Whereas I think that's, I think the difference is winter is a different form of conversion. She converted Ivy.

What was talking about Meadow? What? I think he's getting that. What I'm going to get? What I'm getting at? What I'm getting at is that? Meadow was never converted. No.

She was never, like, brought up into, like, you know, oh, you know, my skin condition. I'm so weak, and I blame the world. And I kind of said, this is how you solve it. Conquer in the world. Yeah. WTF meta. Like, who's this? Mm-hmm.

You know. I mean, basically what it is is that we really don't know what. Like, because, so we're not sure if she's a lot. live or dead. We're not sure if she's in the cult or not. We're not sure if she's faking it or if she's been captured. I think she's a big question mark. I don't think she's faking it. I think, but I mean, but I could see her. I think she was going for long for the ride, but when two people got killed, she did have the stomach for it. But I could also see her maybe having, I don't know, I don't know. I think she could be a puzzle piece in the

meta when you do to lie in a ditch and then yell at Allie. I think she could be a tool to get Allie. back. I don't know why. Back into the cult. I don't know. Okay, so that leads us to what, WGF Alley. I don't know.

What is the the metal of like to talk about everything. Okay. You know, so. We have a lot of stuff to find out. Well,

let's hurry because we have six minutes. Okay, so weak link. We find out that apparently the cameraman is the weekling. Yeah. Because they killed. So what did Adina what did Beverly say about

camera guy? I don't know. They're going to what did? Maybe this is a Bad Nugget. Oh, I mean, how did they decide he was the weak link? Because he was...

I think he was the one who wanted to let the give him go. Yes, no, but also in the coffin, he was like, when do we let him out? Right. Yes. Yeah, yeah. It's like, when do we let him? Kind of the point, but he wasn't... I don't think he was getting the point.

No. Where even with Meadow, she was like, uh, like not into the point, but she understood what it was. Right. Okay. Okay. We're done with that. Ivy threw up.

I mean, that's pretty weak. Yeah, but Beverly explained that was her first time. Yeah, Beverly just was like, that was the first time. That was her first time. Yeah. Yeah. She did great. Okay.

Well, she ended up killing the, well, she ended up being the first person to put in bail. Yeah. In the way. She was still a mess, though, it was, yeah, the whole time. And she did it. And so then the big thing is that we get the backstory for Kai, which, just to reiterate. It was the darkest shit ever. Super dark.

Super dark. His dad was a lawyer and then got into motorcycle accident, yeah, and became, you know, paraplegic or whatever, and became an asshole. And then his mother killed his father and killed herself because of the assholery. Because just, you know, all of that, it was a murder-suicide. And so then instead of calling the police, Kai called his brother, Dr. Cheyenne. Spoiler alert. Who is his brother? Sorry.

No. Color alert. Are you listening to us before you watch this show? I mean, I guess that was a shocker. Like, that was a twist. Like, oh. See, like, that's how they're connected. Dr. Valentine had to be connected.

Connected because they knew the phobias. But then the best part was that Dr. Valentine was just like, oh, no, yeah. Cover it with lie. Leave them in the bed. Lock the door. It'll be a mazal. That's true. Keep getting their money.

Isn't it? Oh, the fuck is his guy. Isn't it a little convenient that? he knew to get live. He was just like, I'm on it. I'm prepared for this. Like, how long has he been thinking about this? I guess he was a doctor, though.

Like, that's kind of common, you know, how to, I don't know. I mean, he- He snapped too pretty quickly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, as, you know, as someone who like, we may find out other than doing that,

there's nothing really wrong with him. Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, like, maybe, like, Kyle is, like, reading his file. Kyle, our winter has been reading his file. files to get the information for their targets. But other than like

you're going dad was an asshole, I miss mom, but we got to save our fortune. Right. So we're doing this. So before we go, because I think that maybe Dr. Cheyenne is the most interesting part of this. We still have a lot of questions about that. So just to

basically recap the rest of it is that winter's off at college, she comes home and also in a kind of weird tournament and she's like, what the hell? You like, the parents are dead and they're in the bedroom. That's not cool, which is a weird response as opposed to being like, we should maybe not have this year. Yeah. But she's just like not super chill, but whatever. So they just have dead parents in the bedroom that's locked with the road. And they're pretty okay with it. They all seem chill with it. But so now I guess we see

when Kai says this is what's happening. This is the beginning in the end. This is Alpha and Omega. it seems like in that moment, Winter and Kai are starting the cult. That kind of felt like it almost felt like even in that moment they were like... The inception. Yeah. Holding hands or whatever. But we see the pinky swear between Kai and Dr. Cheyenne. Yeah, he started the pinky swear.

Dr. Cheyang started the pinky swear, but I feel like maybe Kai started the cult with that like in grain. But how is Dr. Cheyenne involved is I think the big question. He may be the kingpin. Yeah. It could be a kingpin. So, yeah, I mean, so not answer your question. I think he's a puppet master. I think he's not necessarily,

he doesn't want to be involved. He doesn't want, he's not necessarily super invested in the whole thing, but he does want to pull strength. I think he's the money bags. I think he has the money because, I mean, wouldn't all the money go to the oldest son? Well, no. Oh, there is nothing

because they're not dead. They're not dead. Yeah, because they have disability. Their parents aren't dead to the world. I mean, I feel... The pension checks, the Social Security. I do feel like that Dr. Daddy is somehow higher up than Kai.

He's either like the treasurer or, you know, something. I feel like he's a silent partner. Yeah, no, I think he's silent, but I think either he's... He's not... Or he could be, you know, that he was just pathological and like, this is what we're going to do, and this is I'm going to preserve our futures. and then when he finds out that Kai subverted that into his cult,

it could be a surprise to him. That's true. Also, he has access to drugs. He does. Psychiotropic drugs, so. Oh. That's probably something else that would be helpful when running a cult. Yeah.

Oh, absolutely. So we have 30 seconds. Last remarks from anybody. How do we like this? I don't know where this is going. We like this episode. We lost Mark. Yeah, we totally lost Mark.

Well, I think this is. is the first six episodes is building the cult. I think the next six, I believe, are going to be the destruction of the cult, the demise of them. There's 13 episodes. 13 or 10? I thought it was 10. Double-checking, because I think it was supposed to be 10. Well, if it's 10, then this is the middle, then we're going to have the demise of the cult's going to be next because it's going to start to unravel, I think.

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because the people have never done or unlawful. All right, cool. So, I guess that means it's now time for our featured attractions. And we go into the far, far future of 2019

for where they have flying cars for Blade... Wait a minute. We're going to follow it up with a brand new Blade Runner 2049. As always, I'll start with a little trivia. Blade Runner director Ridley Scott. We know him well. Also known for Alien and Hannibal. writers were Hampton Fancher and David Peoples

Of course this was based on a novel by Philip K. Dick who also wrote Minority Report and Total Recall. You'll like this trivia, Philip. The snake scale seen under the electron microscope. You guys remember that part? It was actually a marijuana bud. Oh. Why would I like that?

Some computer displays within the vehicles were actually used on the Nostromo and the lifeboat in Alien. And some sound effects from that film can also be heard. The final scene was shot literally hours before the producers were due to rest creative control away from Ridley Scott. So I'm sure there's a story there. All right. So original Blade Runner, which many, many consider a... Colt classic, not very big. I don't think the year that it came out,

but has garnered a lot of cult following. Patrick, you're our guest. Would you like the honor of going first? Sure, I'll take the helm on this one. And I'm one of those people. This is one of my, I don't know if it's my all-time favorite sci-fi movie, but it's definitely top five for sure.

I absolutely love this movie. Part of it's just, I'm a big fan of Philip K. Dick and just about any movie that is based on something he's done is usually one of my high top-end movies of something I really like. But this movie, and it's a slow burn, I mean, it's not one of those. It's like, oh, lots of action and lots of, you know, that kind of stuff. It's a lot more of a cerebral type film. And I think for me, one of the things that I really love about it is the whole kind of

of that 1940s that. detective setting, but it's in the future. So you have, you know, in the original movie, you know, it's told that it has a narrative over it from Harrison Ford, and, you know, he's talking like he would, like those you know, like it was Saturday, and

she walked into my office, and you know, it was kind of a vibe to it. Yeah, exactly. So it has that kind of buy to it. When they took that out it, it takes a little bit away from it, some. Right. I need to go back and watch it. I do have all

all versions of the movie on my HD DVD, but I need to pull it out of stories so I can watch it. But it's just one of those movies. I don't know. It holds up over time just because, to me, it does anyway. Story-wise. And the visuals are just so impressive. You know, it really does feel like you're in the future.

Even though some of the cars are a little dated looking for futuristic, but the buildings and the way that, you know, all the other stuff is there. It has that kind of feel to it. I just don't know. It's just something about the way it's told and the way it's done. I just always love the story. It's got some great dialogue in it.

Lots of things to think about that they don't really touch upon. You have to kind of wonder what happened, you know. And there was some lore about the end, whether or not Decker was an actual replicant or not. And some other stuff like that, that they kind of explain a little bit, a new movie, which is kind of cool. I was about to see that happen.

But we'll save that for the next feature. But, yeah, it's just overall. I mean, it's just a fantastic movie. And it's definitely a slow burn. It's not going to be, don't go into it thinking, oh, man, this is going to be lots of action because it's definitely not that. But it's just a profound story. And I think if you enjoy a good story, you'll like the movie.

All right. Well, I guess I'll guess I'll go next because I've kind of got the opposite reading on it. I actually had seen it when it felt well, maybe like a year after it first came out, and I really didn't get into it that much. And I'm a big, big Ridley Scott fan. He's probably one of my top ten directors of all time. But for some reason, and then even on the rewatch a couple of nights ago, the film Noor aspect

of it. And to me, it was a little, it was just aping those kind of movies a little too much. Just, you know, I know that's what it was trying to do. But I don't know. It just didn't hook me. And I really was expecting, Patrick, I'm one of those that was expecting more action. And I didn't really get it. And it's kind of disappointed with it.

Like the big fight scene at the end with him and Rutger Hauer, I thought, oh, man, this is going to be epic. And Rutger just kind of fades off. Hooked his ass. I mean, I don't know, man. I just, I don't know. It just didn't get me. I thought Edward James almost as kind of like an intergalactic pimp looking character. was pretty cool.

The visuals were, you know, obviously amazing. I really did love the part when they went into the workshop with the, you know, the genius that was building all those little, you know, robots, like the little 10-soldier guy with a big nose and everything. Sebastian's Place, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I liked all that. It really started pulling me in there, but it just never hooked me the way I wanted it to. I was just, to me, it just kind of felt like maybe I'm missing something, you know?

that's what kind of disappointed me a little bit about it. So not one of my favorite of Scott's films for sure. You know, I'm going to meet you two right in the middle. I didn't really, I didn't say, I won't say I didn't like it the first time I viewed it, but rewatch and I have a better appreciation of it. I do like Ridley Scott. I like the way this movie the story was told. It is a slow burn.

There is one minor thing. I didn't buy the relationship with Harrison Ford and what's it. Sean Young. I didn't care for it. Yeah. It just, it didn't work for me throughout the movie. But Rutger Howard, I loved him in this. He really was great as the villain.

But I do agree that the end was a little anticlimactic. It just kind of sets up like he's just beating Harrison Ford's ass the whole time. And you're waiting for Harrison to do something, and then, you know, he just kind of dies. I thought that was kind of, right. Like, were we missing something there? Is that in another, you know, version? Is that fleshed out a little bit more, Pat?

It's, you know, I haven't watched the other versions in the wild. But if you, if you, in that fight scene, if you recall, you know, Rucker Howard actually saves him from follow. off of the Yeah, he grabbed his hand And he was making a point He tells him, you know, to live

in fear, that's what is like being a slave. Okay. And the whole point of him Beat McRap out of it, you know, he was scaring him and wanted him to think that that's what he was going to do, was kill him, and so what I kind of got out of that was he just wanted him to experience what it was like

living as a slave and, you know, because I don't think the director-Howers' character was necessarily a bad person. You know, He just wanted freedom, right? He wanted, you know, he didn't think it was fair that, you know, he was allowed to have the experiences he was had and not be able to live to tell about him, you know, because he only had a four-year lifespan. Yeah, and now, go ahead. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

I was saying, you know, they mentioned about them developing feelings over a certain period of time and to prevent that. They gave them a four-year lifespan, you know, for the replicants. And I think for him, he just had. to develop them quicker than what they would have expected. And so, therefore, he was acting upon them. Yeah, now that you put it that way, I can't see it that way, because he did make it a point that he could have killed him anytime he wanted. Right.

He chose not to. Yeah, now I can see it that way. Yeah, kind of makes you think, doesn't it? Right, and that's what Philip K. Dick's stuff does. I mean, his stuff always has that underlying kind of morality to it or some sort of, something going on with it that makes you think a little deeper than just what you're seeing on the surface. Right. Yeah.

You know, I watched this one probably about three or four weeks ago when I heard, you know, the new Blade Runner was coming out. Before I realized that we were going to, I mean, I knew we were probably going to review it. But I wanted to watch the old one because I've actually never seen it before. Cool. Yeah, you know, I mean, Ridley, Scott's masterpiece, the best sci-fi movie of all the time, right? So I had my hopes up a little high. And, uh, man, I was bored.

I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Like you said, Patrick, it's a slow burn, man. Yeah, it's not like your typical, yeah, it's not typically an action-packed thriller, for sure. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

It's a way slow burn. And, uh, I, I, I do. enjoy some Ridley Scott movies but maybe I'm not a fan like at the base of it because like in the original alien

I remember watching that even as a kid and think man I'm bored and I feel like I had the same kind of reaction if not worse on the Blade Runner thing I can see

where the cinematography was great and the acting was great. And I just didn't dig the story. And I think that there was not enough dialogue to make it move along. And there's so much like ambient noise in the background, you know?

It just kind of lulls you to sleep. I really don't even remember entirely what happened. Yeah. And I literally thought I like the soundtrack. I thought the soundtrack went really, really well. with the visuals and what was going on in the movie. The soundtrack and the visuals,

especially for when it was made in 82, I thought it was really well done. And, yeah, like you said, the acting was, you know, was spot on. But, you know, like, the thing for me is, like, I've never been a fan of these film noir movies, these, like, 1940s, hard-shell detective. And, you know, maybe that's the only part of it

that turns me off, you know? Other than that, I mean, because I can't think of any, I'm really scratching my head to come up with another reason not to like this movie more than I did. But, you know, it just wasn't totally my bag, man, you know. Like, I can't, there's not a specific reason that I don't like it aside from, that I thought it was a little too slow. And I wish that I liked it better. Like, same here. You know, I mean, sci-fi masterpiece. I love sci-fi movies, right?

There's so many Ridley-Scott movies out there that are amazing. And I just, I didn't get this one, man. I really didn't. I can't. I can't get behind it. I wish I could, but I can't. Brian, you have anything else to say? Sean Young was probably the hottest she's ever been in this movie.

Yeah? That's all I had to offer. I was going to say, too, you know, for me, I didn't really fall in love with this film, which I've seen it about three or four times. Okay. So it took a while to, because there's a lot going on at it. You know, I mean, and, you know, and definitely if you have an opportunity to check out, like, the original version, it's for checking out because it, some of the stuff gets lost with the different, because there's like four or five different recuts of it. Yeah, I know that.

Some of that gets lost, and I don't remember all of them. It's been a lot since I've seen them. I do have. I've watched them in a while. But, but if you have an opportunity to watch like that one with their narrative in it and stuff like that, check out. check it out because it may fill in some blanks for you. Okay. But a lot of it's just watching, you know,

and kind of, like I said, it took me three or four times seeing it before I really fall in love with it. So, and it's just because it does move kind of slow, and, you know, you're kind of like, oh, it's easy to get distracted and things like that. And then stuff goes on where you kind of come back to it and you're a little bit lost because of stuff's moved on or whatever.

But, but especially when you're trying to. I'm actually three or four times to really get it. I mean, like, there's some of them that I've done that with, you know, where it's like, man, it's, it's, it's so slow and you have to pay so close attention to it to really grasp it that, you know, it's, it's hard to get the whole concept done the first time. I think right, right. I probably kind of like that. Yeah, I agree. I mean, it can be, I mean, I'm in the same way with the American Horror Story.

the first season I got so lost and I haven't even went back and watched it yet. Right. All right. Well, what's your score? One or ten, Pat? For me, I'd say this movie, and just because I do hold it kind of, you know, it's, I said it's not 100% my favorite, but I'd say for me this is about 8.75. Wow. You know, almost a nine.

Okay. I thought you said 10 at first. I was freaking out. I just really like this. I mean, I'm a fan of the whole film noir thing. I like that. I love, you know, and it's Harrison Ford, you know, and Rucker Hauer. And to me, it's one of my favorite Rector Hauer movies.

I mean, he's been, I've always loved his performances, but this has always been one of my favorite performances of his. So it's just, to me, those things all combined. I think 8.75 is probably where I put this one. All right. Well, I will tell you this. I'm going to say that visually there's a lot of movies that owe a lot to this movie. Oh, yeah.

A couple of things we've seen recently. One that I love this year, the Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. Yeah. A lot of similarities to the visual style, I think, here. The one with Scarlet Johansson in it, Ghost in the Shell? Ghost in the Shell, yeah. Uh-huh. Yep, pays a lot of homage to this.

And there was another one, man. It was right on the tip of my tongue. and I'm trying to think did it come out a little bit before or a little bit after this one that looks so much like this movie. God damn it. I'll think of it later. But I think there was

more of a, like, ah, the fifth element. The fifth element. Yeah. That came out after this one, right? Yeah, way after, yeah. Okay. All right. All right. So see? See, I think you've got to really, I'm going to give this film a lower score than what it probably really deserves, but I'm going to give it based on

you know, my reaction to it seeing it twice. But I still think it's a pretty decent score. I'm going to give it a six, which means I liked it, you know, quite a bit more than I didn't. But, yeah, I'm with you, Pat. I think I'm going to go back and check it out a third time because, man, this movie laid a lot of groundwork. Yeah. I'm going to go a little bit higher because I actually do agree because I do appreciate this movie more every time I see it. And I'm going to give it a seven.

The only problem is, like I said, I just didn't buy Harrison Ford and Sean Young in this just kind of, I guess, love story angle they was going through. And did he sexually assault her in this movie? What is she? Or what? So I don't know. I think upon more viewings, I think I will appreciate this more. us doing this show has got me to appreciate like slow burn movies more and more. So I think upon more viewings, I might appreciate it even more.

But for right now, I'm going to go with a seven. That ain't bad. Yeah, I definitely feel like I need to go back and watch it again. I just, I didn't have time this week. I barely had time. Understandable. But I'm going to give it probably higher than I want to just because of the respect that it garners. I think that it's probably one of the original kick-ass sci-fi movies.

And you're right. It did have a lot of influence on sci-fi movies. You know, from here or now. What was that one with Haley Joe Alseman? Do you remember that one? A.R. Yeah, I felt like that had the same kind of vibe to it. Oh, yeah, big time. Big time. Yeah, that was a cubic movie, so that would, that's definitely had that cerebral feel to.

Well, Kubek and Spilberg. You know? I love those movies. I just, I could not get into Playburner, and it drives me crazy. Like, I want to watch it again so that I can maybe try to like it more. but at the time being I'm going to give it a 6 okay cool not too bad it sounds like we all recommend it and we're all

going to probably watch it again maybe we should do this one as a maybe we should all watch this one on YouTube together or something guys get Pat on here too and do something kind of like our buddy Zach Baxter and them do yeah

I would do that yeah I would see science theater action I think this would be a good pick for that guys Thank you. I'm happy to sleep. All right. Cool.

Well, so that's Blade Runner, and we all recommend it. Now we're going to move on to Blade Runner 2049, and director of my favorite film from last year, Dennis Villanueve, or how do you pronounce it, also known for Arrivals and Enemy. How do you pronounce it, Pat? You know, I'm not really sure. I just thought your earlier pronunciations. really knew it. Be in the way, babe.

Well, you do have Hampton Fancher coming back. That's my wife's mom's like maiden name. Seriously, are you making this up? No, I'm not joking.

Yeah, be in the webbing. Okay, let's use that then. You didn't sound too hot on that one, Philip. Let's do what now? I said, let's go with that one. I was going to sound too enthused about that. No, I think that's it.

Okay. Anyway. So, Ryder's Hampton Fancher comes back and co-writes this one, but this time it's with the guy named Michael Green. And again, of course, based on the story by Philip K. Dick. While shooting a fight scene, I think a lot of you guys have probably heard this story. Harrison Ford accidentally punched a gosling in the face. It wasn't no accident.

No, dude. That was a good fight. That was actually a good fight scene. That looked real. I'd punch him. I'd punch him. As an Apollo. Yeah.

You know, in watching that scene, it kind of about what I was thinking is, no one does a haymaker quite like Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford. You know, I mean, he just gives me. Yeah,

he just had that heavy-handed just, man, it looked like he just knocked the crap out of him. Still, though, if you're, I mean, if you're Ryan Gosling,

I probably, I probably, Probably would have popped him back. Even though he's an old man. I'm sure he did, man. I'm sure he did. But hey, man, look into this way, man. Ford invited Gossing to share a bottle of a 50-year-old Scotch whiskey with him.

Probably because he popped him back. It made it all up. The role of new Blade Runner Officer K. Was written specifically with Gosling and mine. He was actually the only choice for the director to do that. So he was chosen. He didn't even have to do, I guess, a screen test. And, oh, this is interesting.

Ryan Gosling turned down the role of the Joker in Suicide Squad for this. So how did Lotto show up in this then? Weird. That was a good decision. All right. Patrick, what do you think, man? Did it live up? You know, I tried all year.

I was looking forward to this movie all year. and I tried not to build up too high of expectations because I didn't want to come in there with my standards so high that they couldn't be met, you know? So I kind of went in with somewhat high expectations, but I felt like I had tampered them a little bit. But I enjoyed it. I really did.

I had to say, you know, at first it was kind of moving along kind of fast, and I was like, okay, this is a little bit different pace. but I was enjoying Ryan Gosling in it real well I was like in fact I think it's one of those better performances The soundtrack sucked me in So well I mean by you know

A third way of the movie the soundtrack had me I was feeling it I was like oh great great soundtrack man And it had you know And the story was actually really good And at first I wasn't sure if it was going to be a little too generic And then they kind of threw a little twist in there at the end And I was like oh okay cool

you know and it gave us a little more that cerebralism from the first one and but yeah I enjoyed it I had a good time during it I totally had that kind of vibe now I didn't have the film noir feel to it like the first one did but that was

okay because you know we're 30 years into the future and it's you know different time the one thing I probably didn't like about it and this is just me kind of nitpicking was you know in the first one they spent more time in the city and you had some more like he's at the Chinese place and then at the bars.

And we didn't get any of that, like in the city. It was all more just big outside city skate visuals this time around. So it wasn't quite as a visual spectacle as what the first one was in my line. But other than that, I think he did a good job of capturing the feel of it and bringing it in. Overall, I really enjoyed it. Okay. I'll throw ice water on it again. It was fucking long, man.

Yeah. Slow plotting movie. All that being said, I did enjoy it more than the first. I thought the visuals were... I mean, look, you've got so much better special effects now. Right. What they did toward the end with a particular character was, I thought, looked very realistic. And there were some people that showed up in this movie that I liked, that I didn't know we're going to be in the movie.

Robin Wright, who shows up actually pretty early on. I didn't even know she was in the movie. We had a character from the first movie show up again in this one

that wasn't expecting. You know, I can say before we get into the spoilers, I can say Jared Leto is in it quite a bit because, you know, he's all over the trailer. So what a creepy motherfucker.

I mean, this really is a method actor, man. Yeah. Pretty great. And it was pretty cool seeing Battista in there too. Yeah. I enjoyed it a little more than the first one.

I thought the story was a little convoluted, a little far-fetched, with scientifically how they would make certain things happen. We'll get it all that in spoilers. But, uh, no, man, it was a visual treat for sure. And if this movie doesn't win best sound editing at the Oscar, something's fucking wrong. Right. I'll probably have some competition with Star Wars and some others,

but I definitely agree with you. I mean, the soundtrack was amazing. Mm-hmm. I'll go next. Yeah, this movie exceeded my expectations. I love this movie. I do agree. This is probably the best thing I've seen Ryan Gosling in.

And I just, I love the cast in it. And there was, I like all the callbacks to the original one. And the sound, I do agree, the soundtrack was, I was feeling in the theater. I wasn't even in IMAX and I was feeling it throughout the movie. movie and I love that and yeah it just totally just exceeded my expectations I rewatched the late run of the original one last night and I was just like yeah you know it's pretty good and I thought it was you know gonna be just as good but like I said it exceeded it the only gripe was the almost three-hour runtime

they should have shaped some of that off mm-hmm Ah, man, I felt, really, I felt a lot. If you, if you like the first Blade Runner, you are going to love this move. I truly think that. I wanted to like it more than I did. Here we go again. Yeah, no, same shit, man. I think the acting was great.

I think the visuals were amazing. I just, you know, and we'll get into it later. and spoilers, but like the story, I felt like it, I think care that much, you know? Okay. And I still felt

like, I know you guys said the soundtrack was great, but like it's still got just a lot of ambient noise. Like it's this just big machinery. It feels like a I can only go back to you know, military days when you're

when you're driving a fucking two and a half ton truck and you're not allowed to put on the radio and so engine noise is just there. Okay. I think that was all, I think that was all very intentional man. Oh, I'm sure it was. But that was the whole movie for me, was lolling to me to sleep. Like, I felt like this was the longest movie I have ever watched in my entire life.

Wow. Okay. I could not, I was like, when is this going to wrap up? Like, I like it, but it was so long. Oh, my God. Ooh, boy. All right. Well, it definitely gives you a lot to think about. There's going to be lots of spoilers, so we should, I guess, keep things moving, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Patrick, score? I'm going to give this one an eight. Because it really did kind of pull me back in. and, you know, it took probably about halfway through the movie before I really started digging it as far as, you know, giving me what the story was. And because it was different, you know, it was definitely a different vibe than what the first one was and everything. So I was trying to, but I think about by halfway through and we started kind of getting in and once I kind of seen how they were going to use Harrison Ford's character and sort of where he fit into the whole thing, I was, I was good.

So, um, it took a while to get there. Maybe, maybe too long to get there. Right. But, uh, overall, I think, I think it ate's a pretty solid rating for this one. And I really enjoyed it. I'm definitely kind of, I'm wanting to go see it again because I'm sure there's some stuff I missed. Um, just like in the first one.

So, um, I want to kind of give it a rewatch and see how I feel about it from there. But, um, but I have some stuff that's some really cool stuff. I wanted to point out from the spoil, and when we get the spoilers, too. But, yeah, I think is where I sit on this one for now. Okay. Yeah, that's not too bad. So I gave a six to the first,

and I'm going to jump this one up, actually, to a seven. I just really thought that, and a lot of, I think, is just simply because they've got access to so much better special effects now than they did back then. Like, the scene, well, there was a scene where he was interacting with an oversized Oh man, I don't want to spoil anything because it's not really a huge part of the story

or anything like that, but he was, like, the way they interacted with certain... Like an ad. Yeah, there you go. There you go. Yeah. It was, I thought that was really neat, the way that was done.

Like a billboard that, like, gets off the billboard and comes and talks to you. Okay. Yeah. There you have it. Yeah, I'll give this one a seven. I am going to go with Pat. and give it an eight.

I enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed the cast. Great visuals, great sound. Just needed quite a bit shaved off that runtime. And I think I probably would have gave it a higher score, but I'm going to go with an eight. Definitely gave you a lot to think about. Maybe I'm, maybe I wasn't in the right mindset to watch this movie. I think that, uh, with, with the,

amount of dialogue that was in the movie, like, I don't know how they made it to the two-hour and 45-minute runtime that they had. Because, I mean, it was like 30 minutes worth of dialogue in a three-hour movie. And I think maybe they should have had a little more dialogue and a little less time. Had they done that, I still think, you know, the acting was great. I think that the Ryan Gosling fucking killed it

I really like that guy man I know he's the pretty boy of Hollywood but man he turned it on in this role he's had two or three roles that are really worth watching him and this guy's going to be good he's going to be a classic actor

I liked it but about as much as I like the first one I'm going to give it six Not too bad. That's cool, man. Six is good. All right, so uh, all right, so go out and watch Blade Runner 2049, guys, if you haven't, and then come back and listen, because now we're going into spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

I think Patrick had some stuff. Yeah, I've got a couple of things. I did want to ask a fellow question real quick. Did you see the first one before or after the second one? Before. Before. Okay. I was kind of curious of that because I'm sure that would have made a difference going in and seeing it.

It's probably a good thing that you did just so he kind of had an idea of what to expect. Yeah. Anyway, so I still had real high hopes for this one. I think that's part of what messed me up. Yeah. Could be. I was really trying not to because I was like, man, so many times you can. go and get your hopes up and then you get,

it's like when Star Wars, the new ones come out, the George Lucas said, had my hopes up and then I never, my dreams are destroyed, you know, so it's like, so I try not to get my hopes up too much just because it's like I want to be pleasantly surprised, but, uh, so spoilers, one of the things that I did like,

um, did you notice how, um, oh, I can't think of her name now, but she, her, I want to say her name's McKinsey, something or other. She was the one that played the hooker that, uh, Ryan Gosling's hologram girlfriend brings up to the room. Oh, okay, yeah. Did you notice how she was a lot like... Well, yeah, she's real...

She's been in some good... She's been in some TV shows and some other stuff. I think she's in like Halton Catch Fire and a couple other shows around. So her whole... Black Mirror, she was a very... Yeah, did you notice how much she looked like Dale Hannah's character from the original movie? Yes. I thought that was really cool that they paid homage to...

I mean, she had the orange hair and the whole outfit and everything. And I thought that was really cool that they were kind of paying homage to the first one with her, to have her whole look and everything. And I thought she was a great choice for that because she really did look like Daryl Hannah in a lot of ways. I still think the hot chick was a lot hotter. I was just my personal opinion. I honestly, I thought that whole section was kind of interesting. Yeah, she was hot.

Definitely. I'd never leave my house, guys. why. Go to a sex site and type that in and see the top of it. Oh, yeah? But that whole sex scene was pretty interesting. Right.

That was cool, man. Yeah, they did that. But, yeah, I just, I really liked that. I mean, you know, that we were talking about earlier about the fight scene between him and Ryan Gosling was outstanding. And I really do. I think this was maybe one of Ryan Gosling's better performances. I'm not a huge fan.

I don't hate the guy. I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on him, but I really enjoyed him in this movie. Yeah, he's perfect to play a replicant because I think he is one. Right. And watching this movie, he could play like a Patrick Bateman-type character. Sure. Because he's got that kind of, I don't want to say clue.

Yeah, there you go. I was going to say clueless, but that's not the right. he's just got a cold like look about him and uh i really you know when let's do you know we got to talk about that fight scene with patista because he at first patista was beating his ass the way he was smashing his head up against that wall oh yeah i was like there is yeah i was like when when you find out he's a replicant it made because at first i was like come on now there's no way he's still alive when they mentioned that he's a he's a replicant or what they call them skin jobs.

Yep. Yeah. That made a lot of sense. And, yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. Right. So the one thing that kind of bothered me at first, but the more I think back about it, there is kind of an interesting angle here. How in the world did they program a replica where they could actually, you know, get

pregnant and bear a child? But now more I think about it, that was kind of brilliant. Because if you think about it, the child that the replica had ended up being very sickly and had to be inside that, uh, right. You know, kind of like a boy in a bubble type thing there. And then, um, the other, the other thing that's kind of cool about that is I kind of get to thinking, you know, and this goes back kind of like to some of the stuff mother brought up with Adam and Eve and all that.

How do we know that that's not how we got started, guys? Well, we're not all on bubbles. Well, no, but I mean, that was just the first one, man. How do you know that's perfected after that? I mean, I'm just saying it's possible, you know, maybe we were creative. as, you know, some kind of replicant creatures. I mean, obviously we were created, whether it was nature of God

or, you know, a scientist or whatever. But what if we do come down from like, you know, lab-created replicants like that that were, they finally learned how they were able to make each other procreate so that they didn't have to you know, they were worrying about, well, we don't

have time to build this many to take care of all the slavery needs that we have and all the labor needs. Why don't we make it where they can actually, you know, reproduce produce themselves. I don't know. I got to think that after the argument. My only fraudulent argument is if that's the case, why aren't we still doing it? I don't know. Good question, yeah. But, uh, no, I think, too, you know, and, you know, you mentioned, like Brian

mentioned about, you know, he didn't believe the whole love story between Harrison Ford and Sean Young. And I get that because it did seem kind of forced a little bit, and it was just sort of just there. But, you know, they really, they kind of go into it on here where they're talking about, well, you know, how do you know it wasn't just supposed to happen? Like, you know, he wasn't supposed to just immediately be attracted

to him. Like that conversation he has with Jared Leto's character. And, you know, and he's just talking about, you know, and then, of course, he brings in the replicant of Rachel, which of that was kind of cool. Right, right, right. But, you know, and they even mentioned in the first movie, they talk about

Rachel how she's different than all the other replicants they've done. you know and they mentioned that when he's talking to Terrell at the beginning you know how she didn't even know she's a replicant and they she's a totally different model than any of they've ever created and they made her special and you know so they so going back in that's why I thought this story okay this story is now more more believable because of you know going back and kind of remembering that parts of it and then seeing that and then kind of filling in the gap like with their love story so maybe they're love she was actually programmed

to fall in love with him potentially. They suggest that. They don't necessarily say that's what happened. So I thought that was kind of interesting. Now, why they were to pick Deckerd out of, you know, all the other people, maybe it was just because he was the one they knew they were going to send over there or something, I don't know. Which, you know, I just said it kind of added some depth to the story in the first one a little bit,

which I thought was kind of cool that they actually built upon it. some and gave it a little more substance, so I thought that that was pretty nice. You know, there for a minute, I really thought that Ledo was going to tell Decker that he was a replicant, because when he said, Decker had that confused look in his face, and he said, I know what is real, you know?

I thought they were going to turn it, but I guess they made it pretty clear he was a human the whole time. Yeah. We got old. Yeah. I guess replicants probably... The Terminator got old, too. remember yeah yeah speaking of replicants I thought uh Jared Letto his uh his little number

one or whatever love right yeah she was badass in this movie she was brutal as hell when she yeah yeah especially the do you guys think that that she was the daughter at first when that when they first revealed that it was a girl I never got that feel did you see I didn't either I was no idea that it was Ryan Gosling you know that's what they said Yeah. Well, that's what they wanted you to think. I was like, okay. And I, you know, and I wasn't really looking for the twist, you know. I was kind of just, okay. And I thought, well, that makes it kind of dry on the story a little bit, you know. It's like, oh, it's kind of obvious or whatever, but it makes sense, you know, the way they were going with it. And then whenever he, you know, they realize it's a girl and it goes back to the girl he ran into, I was like, oh, so that kind of made me like it even more, you know, because they, It didn't just take a kind of a, what you call it, like a vanilla storyline, you know, they actually added some depth to it. Well, see, when they said it was a girl, I was thinking, okay, who is about that same age

and also think that she's a replicant? Yeah, I could see that. Maybe just kick ass kick here. Right. And I felt like they kind of led you to believe that. but again you know there's not a ton of dialogue in this movie so you kind of are left to think

whatever you want to think which is cool to a degree and uh uh yeah obviously that was not the right answer but she was awesome yeah she was all right

anything else you got I think we've covered quite a bit and I know we have another another show to record tonight for a for a bonus so you guys have I think that's yeah I think that's it for me yeah I mean I think so

that's pretty much all I got to say on it I enjoyed it it's quite awesome all I said about that Patrick thanks for joining us man I think you're gonna stick around and be on our bonus episode too right? Yeah I'll be here awesome all right guys we'll listen as always we want to thank you all for listening to another

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