The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #73: Earthquake (1974) & Geostorm (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: April 9, 2022

It's a disaster this week as we check out the Gerard Butler film Geostorm as well as 1974's Earthquake. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= SK8ER Nez Podcast Network https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A

victims for those of you delight and dread who fantasize about fear who glorify and go welcome you have found the place where the horror returns listeners beware this podcast contains major plot spoilers in the foulest of language Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. All of you who delight in dread, fantasize about fear and glorify gore. Welcome home. This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new disaster. What did I just say, Brian?

Disaster movie? Yep. Disaster. Oh, man, this show's going to be a fucking disaster, isn't it? Is it going to be as bad as I was praying it would be? I guess we'll find out soon, won't we? Yes, we will. Then we're going to go back and find a classic work with similar themes.

We always include spoilers for the new film. However, we will wait until the very end to do so with a spoiler alert. And if you don't want to hear the spoilers, just turn us off. You won't miss a thing, and you can pick it up later. We will do from, or the one thing we will do from time to time is use some four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and those movies do tend to be R-rated. And you can expect us to be too. I'm Lance, and with me, not with us this time is Philip, who's in the midst of moving.

But as always is my co-host, Brian from the Great White North. What's going on, man? What up? How are you doing? Doing good, man. Got a lot of family over. Got the Halloween festivities going on, pumpkin carving, that kind of thing. A balmy 88 degrees here today, man.

Super humid. Does not feel like Halloween? Yeah, I am super jealous. Well, tell me about it, man. It is super cold here and there's not even snow. It's to the point where if it's going to be cold like this, it might as well be snow on the ground. Yeah, you would think so.

Yeah, but. But it usually snows up here around, around the end of October, around Halloween. So it's coming. Winter is coming. So maybe the weather control satellite above you is malfunctioning right now or something. I wish we really had one. All right. Well, as always, for you new listeners, and we do have, you know what, Brian,

it seems like every week, dude, we're picking up a couple of new listeners, which is really awesome. Yeah, we had an influx in our Facebook group. Yeah? Because we were in the, around the 200s, 200, 230, like, in between there. And within, like, a couple days, we're, like, over 300. So I definitely appreciate everybody for joining the group. Are you talking about the discussion group?

Yes. You know what? That's amazing, dude. Do you have any idea where we are? are on the regular Facebook group? I can pull it up right now. We are at 1,306. And our goal was 1,000 by the end of the year?

Yep. Oh, man, that's good to hear. We're on target. Yes, we are. All right, man, when we get to feedback, I think we'll have a lot of feedback tonight, but we'll have the regular, but we've also got a really we got a really cool and well-thought-out letter from Denny over at the after-midnight podcast and with Phil not being here tonight how do you want to break it down man do you want

to cover the general feedback or you want to cover Denny's letter I can do the general okay cool I also got a message from Kevin Kevin Nez a good friend of the show he he sent us a little something for the feedback so oh yeah expect something from him during the some feedback. Yeah, and we didn't have time to include it in this week's feedback, but guess who, guess who friend of the show, Patrick Lear, Matt? I've seen that. Linnae and Quigley.

Pretty awesome, huh? Yeah, that was super cool right there. All right, and he's working on trying to, I think, line up an interview or two for us, and I know you are too, so one of our goals of the show, I think moving forward listeners, is we want to bring you guys an interview at least once a quarter. Yes. So yeah, give us some feedback. Let us know if you're enjoying the ones that we do get.

And I guess we could take ideas on who you guys would like us to try to reach out to. And we'll try to do our best to make it happen, right? Absolutely. All right. Well, Brian, as always, it's up to you, man. You've got to fill our listeners in a what's the cool thing, man. I needed to take a break because I am well over. 30 movies, I think, already.

Oh, yeah? So, yeah. So I did something pretty cool. They were showing a 30th anniversary screening of the Princess Bride, and I took my daughter. And it was super cool, because that was a movie that I watched growing up, and she discovered it recently and loves the movie. And then when I found out, they were showing in the theater, you know, we had to jump on on the opportunity and go watch it.

And, you know, that was super cool. So that was my cool little week right there. I do have a not-so-cool little week. Oh, we got to hear it, man. Lay it on us. Yeah. I'm going to do this here now because I don't want to do it during our kids' Halloween show. Okay.

Oh, no. No. But Boo, too, might have just cracked my top three worst movies of the year. No. Yeah. Oh, wow, we're going to see it tomorrow, man. But you know what? I think I'll have a different opinion.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to be too critical. It's not for me. My wife is a fan of Tyler Perry movies. And I'm just not a fan of them. There was a few moments during the movie where I laugh, but for most part, it just, I did see the first one. So I kind of feel like there was a lot. lot of rehashing of stuff. Oh, no.

Yeah. And my daughter, I took my daughter because, you know, it was one of the movies. The kids want to watch for the show. So she enjoyed it. She thought it was funny. So I guess, you know, that was the most important thing. So, but as far as me, I was completely bored out of my mind. Well, you survived it, man.

Yes. Yeah, Michael of the week, man. This show continues to amaze me, man, because it's one of the... Like I was telling you earlier, I think it was like the third episode in of Fear of the Walking Dead. I finally started enjoying it. Like the first couple of episodes past the mid-season break out that were really slow. Okay. So the finale just fucking blew me away, man.

And I don't know. I'm probably in the mind of it. minority. There's a lot of my Facebook friends are like, you know, comments like, ugh and gross and shit like that. A lot of people don't like fear the Walking Dead. Yeah. There's a lot of, as we know with Melissa, there's a lot of Walking Dead fans that don't like it. Yeah, I think I think people just are more invested in the, in the original show's characters because it's been on longer. But I don't ever really hear that many people like put the show down. The people that actually watch the show. Right. So. Well, I'm going to tell you right now, I'm not going to spoil anything because we've probably got a lot of listeners that haven't caught up yet.

But these last two fucking episodes were amazing, dude. This was one of those, especially the last one, it's just so many edge of your seat moments. And the good thing about this show is you never know who's going to die. And that's the cool part about it. Like, like basically, earlier in the season, they killed off basically the second maybe to main character. of the whole show, and there's a number of other big ones that they've killed off. And it's just like basically everyone's in real danger. You never really know what's going to happen.

And this one, man, it just kept surprising me, too, because I thought I knew where the story was going, and then they'd bring up a twist, and then you'd have some characters show up that you hadn't seen in a long time. You'd almost kind of forgotten about, and there'd be a twist there. And then you'd kind of think, hey, this is cool, everything's solved, everybody's out of trouble, and then, oh, fuck, that just happened. happen. Shit.

And then they really leave it on a cliffhanger, too, and I like that. So it's got me really hungry looking forward to season three. So that's my cool of the week. My not-so-cool of the week, man. Uh-oh. Well, it's not that it was even so uncool. It's just that I expected so much more out of it. Brian, I think you've seen this.

It comes at night? Actually, no, I was going to watch it. and end up watching something else. I definitely want to hear your opinion on it because I think Kevin loved it, I think. Yeah, Kevin really did. And I mean, it's got, I'll tell you what, it's got great acting.

It's got some great cinematography. But, dude, for my money, the story just never fucking goes anywhere, man. And, you know, it's kind of, I think they're kind of be real art-housy about it. And I think that's part of it's failing for me, because they just really don't explain what the fuck's going on. I mean, you kind of get an idea, but at the end I was kind of like,

uh, what? And it just, uh, I don't know, it just didn't pull me in, man, but, you know, different strokes for different folks, right? Yeah, absolutely. Not a lot of major stuff, but, um, let's see, what do we have here? Alfonso Caron. Um, oh, one of my favorite directors, man. Yeah, a lot of people know him, uh, from gravity. Um, he is shopping around a show a horror series that he plans to write, direct, and executive produce. And apparently, um, it's going to star Casey Affleck.

Oh. So, um, so, um, not a lot about the plot has been released other than, he's going to be basically handling all the, the main duties of making the show. And there is not a set, um, place at the show.

show is going to be on, but I heard it's probably going to be most likely one of the pay cable channels. Okay. So, yeah, we're going to, I'm interested, too, because Alfonso Caron and Casey Affleck doing a horror series. Mm-hmm. So I'm going to definitely keep everybody informed when I'll be getting more information on that. Well, you know what? I hope it does better than his last TV show that he tried to show run. It's called Believe.

Did you ever watch any of that? No, I didn't check that one out. Yeah, it's kind of about mutant kids, sort of, almost like an X-Men type. Okay, yeah, I did. Actually, I heard someone talking about it because I was listening to the League of Geeks podcast, and they were talking about the new X-Men show that Gifted. One of the hosts on there basically said where Gifted is winning at, is where Believe failed at, I guess.

Okay. So I don't know. I never seen Believe, but I've heard a couple people that watched it really didn't like it. I enjoyed it, man. I thought it was really cool when, what's is, Ramey Malick? Is that the guy that plays Mr. Robot? Yes. Yeah, he showed up in one episode, and it was a really good supporting cast.

And the main little girl was, you really got on her side. She's a really good little actress, so I enjoyed it, man, but unfortunately it was a flop. I think it lasted like maybe 13 episodes or something. Let's see. Naomi Watts is going to star in a new movie called The Wolf Hour, and it's going to be set during the summer of Sam. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, I'm not, she's a great actress. I'm not really a big fan of hers.

Right. Right. Didn't they do a Summer of Sam movie with, I think it had John Leguizamo, I think it was a Spike Lee movie. Yeah, I can't think of what it's called, but I do remember hearing about that. Yeah. Was it maybe even call Summer of Sam or something? It might have, man. Spike Lee, for me, is hit or mess. It's like half of his films I love and half of his films I just can't get into. Yeah, same here.

Too surreal. A lot of his stuff is super surreal, man. Let's see. We previously reported that the Punisher was being delayed because of the tragedy in Las Vegas. It now has an official release date of November 17th. Okay, that's not too long to wait. When was it supposed to come out at first? Do you recall? I think last week, actually. Oh, okay. That's cool, man. Yeah, give us a chance to catch up on some, some Halloween horror, right? Yeah.

And if anybody's interested, they did put out a new trailer for The Punisher, and that is on our Facebook page. I'll go check that out, man. I hadn't even seen that yet. Yeah. Let's see. Sticking with Marvel, last week we reviewed the new trailer for New Mutants, and a little bit more news came out about that.

They actually planned to do a horror trilogy in the mutant universe. Mm-hmm. And they said that each movie is going to be a different subgenre of horror. So I'm assuming this, the first one is going to be more of a haunted house type vibe. Haunted house? Yeah, because they had that comment in the trailer. This isn't a, this isn't a hospital. It's a haunted house.

Oh, Jesus Christ. Man, dude, this is sounding cheesier and cheesier to me, man. I'm sorry. I know you guys are excited about it, but God damn, dude. directed by the Fulton R Stars guy, right? Yep, the guy that's good. All right, well. Was he doing the stand next after this?

Oh, fuck. Ah! Ah! Oh, man. Josh Boom, prove me wrong. Please. Please prove me wrong. I think he can do it.

I just have this feeling. I'm not, I can't base it off the Fulton of Stars because I didn't like that movie. But I have a feeling because, I have a feeling, because, everything I'm reading, he's a big X-Men fan. He has a large X-Men collection. Okay. So he is familiar with the characters. And like I said last week, I like where Fox is doing right now, as far as these

spin-off movies, not the main X-Men series, but Deadpool, Logan, and what I've seen in this trailer, I like what they're doing so far. And I hope what they're doing with all these movies, I hope we get better X-Men movies because we are getting, what is it? X-Men Dark Phoenix next year. We've already done it! They did that in what? X-Men 2 or 3, right?

I believe the third one. And the only thing that's got me worried is I love... I can't remember the actress's name. That plays Sansa Stark. Maisie Williams. No, that's Aria. Oh, Sanza. Oh, Sophie Turner.

Oh, Sophie Turner. I love her as Sansa, but as Jean-Gree. She's not hitting those marks for me. Maybe not so much, huh? Yeah. You never know. Yeah, so we'll see. We'll see when it comes to the new mutants.

Right now, they're, they're, I'm on their side right now with the new stuff they've been doing. Mm-hmm. Well, we'll, uh, Anya Taylor Joy, is that the, the one that's playing magic? Yes. Okay, so I think, I think I've seen her in three roles and two of them I loved, and if I'm not mistake and she was Morgan, right? Yeah, which I didn't hate that. Yeah, I didn't hate her in it.

I just, yeah, I agree with you. But the plot on that one was horrible, man. Everything was so telegraphed and just terrible. Paint by numbers. Kind of like something we may be talking about tonight. Anyway. Spoiler. Okay, okay.

And our final bit of news is really major news. isn't really major news, but a lot of horror fans might be a little sad by this. Robert England has said he is officially done playing Freddie Kruger. There is no way he is doing the character anymore. He said he's too old. Any stunts that will require a lot out of him, he said he just can't do it no more. And he recently, I've been. believe earlier this year he got a lot of fans excited because he was at a convention in full

freddie makeup oh wow yeah but he's he said he's officially done and the website i had that interviewed him basically labeled the the story as uh robert england puts the final nail in the coffin so so that that's kind of sad but i think we all knew he a lot of these uh are a lot of our horror icons are just they're just getting up there and age and it's really demanding on, especially being in makeup that many hours during the day. Sure. Hopefully they can find someone that could at least not live up completely to Robert England, but at least satisfy people because Jackie or O'Haley definitely didn't do it.

Well, you want me to tell you the rumor I heard? Yeah. Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon. I, you know what? I like that. Do you?

60 pieces of Kevin Bacon? I think he can pull it off, but does he really want to do it right? Because I know he's really, he's really full on board. Like, he's doing the Tremor show. Like, he's the one that's bringing us a Tremors TV show. Yeah, he's got that he's also got that TV show. I love dick. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, as far as horror, you know, what did he pop up in, the darkness? Ugh. So is he committed to doing, you know, being, because if, if, if, if, if, if, let's say they signed him to do Freddie Kruger. Right. It's probably going to be a multi-picture deal. Is he really committed to doing, is he really committed to doing it or is he just

taking paychecks right now? Well, you know what? He's no spring chicken, dude. This guy's, I'm old as fuck, and this dude's 10 years older than I am. So, you know, I mean, fuck, how long is he going to be able to jump around in the makeup and shit? You know, I wouldn't even be surprised if he's, I doubt England's that much older than him, man. Yeah, let me, matter of fact, let me look that up. But maybe that should be a Facebook post in the Facebook group.

Who would people want as, who would their dream casting, me as Freddy Kruger. Oh, man, I've got an idea. Now, hear me out. Okay. Think Valerian in the city of a thousand planets, man. The perfect channeling of Keanu Reeves. Keanu Reeves?

Oh, my gosh. I don't know. No, it's fucking Dan Daim Dahan, man. Oh, Dane DeHan? Dane DeHan is Freddy. Come on. Dane DeHon is Freddy. Oh, I can't see it.

All right. I'm officially fucking. with you, man. Robert England is 70. Oh, no shit. Yes. Wow. Okay.

I stand corrected. I didn't think he was that much over 60. Totally wrong, man. All right. So if any listeners in there, you know, email us, you know, post something in the Facebook group. You know, who is your choice? Right.

To replace Robert England. Well, technically to replace Jackie Earl Haley. because that was the last one. I'm trying not to count that one, but whatever. All right, man. And as far as news, that is it. Yeah? All the news that's fit to print, huh?

Yep. So, Brian, you ready to take that little trip down to the trailer park then? Let's do it. Brian, what's the first new trailer we're going to talk about this week? We are going to talk about the end of the fucking world. I like the name, but... Is this a horror movie? It is a series that was previously released in the UK and is coming to Netflix,

and it stars Jessica Barden and Alex Lothar. It will be an eight-episode series. When I seen the trailer, I thought it was going to be something else, and this just didn't really... It looked more of a dark comedy. Yeah, I would agree a wholeheartedly. It definitely didn't look like any horror movie I've known of. Yeah.

So, I mean, it's coming on Netflix. It's going to be only eight episodes. So I'll probably check out the first couple episodes. But based off of this trailer, it's not a definite, like, I'm going to watch it as soon as it comes on Netflix at 1201. Right. So. Hmm. And from what I understand, I don't even think it's coming to Netflix until early 2000.

So. Got a little ways to wait, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Well, okay. Well, I was watching. I guess I thought it was a movie, but it's, you're saying it's a TV series, huh? Yeah.

So that's, uh, all right, we'll give it, might give it a try. Maybe I'll let you watch it first. Okay. All right. And now we are going to move on to our next trailer, which is called Bitch. Starring, uh, Jason Ritz. Twitter, Caroline Aaron, Eric Eldestine, and Kingston Foster. And this one is not really too much horror, even though I've seen it pop up on a lot of horror websites.

So I don't know if there's something that they're not showing us in trailer, because I know this made the festival rounds. Okay, okay, so this is a movie. This one's not a series then. No, this is a movie. Okay, cool. you know what if nothing else it looked interesting as shit yeah because I want to know why is she a dog all of a sudden that just really intrigued me and she doesn't seem to be the nicest of dogs either yeah

seemed to be a little bit of a bitch of a dog huh yeah and is that um Jason Ritter is that what's his name son yeah John Ritter's son yeah okay because he looks like him he does doesn't he's looking more like more and more like him all the time it seems like. Yeah. This is directed by Mariana Palka.

Okay. Don't recognize anything she's directed, but I know she was an actress on that show, Glow on Netflix. She was one of the female wrestlers. So she probably,

she's probably one of those who started out as an actress and then decided to flex her creative muscles and do some directing, huh? Yeah. And like I said, this has been making the rounds

at the festival. So I've been hearing a lot of good things about this. I'm very interested. I really got a kick out of the trailer. Let's see. Release date in November 10th. Yeah, I'll be there. Moving on to our next one, which is going to be, from what I understand, in the theaters for one night, and it's going to be Halloween night.

Right. And it's called Keep Watching, starring Bellathorn. Mm-hmm. I'm probably going to say it. Is it Ian Gruffery? Chandler Riggs Which is I've heard of him Chandler Riggs Damn why am I

Spacein's name Walkin' Dead Carl Yeah Carl And Natalie Martinez directed by Sean Carter This

The scenario The home invasion thing Looks pretty basic But the fact that These killer or killers Have set up multiple cameras it seems like there is no angle that is not covered it in this movie. Really kind of has me intrigued.

Right. And it's kind of got a saw vibe because apparently they're playing games with these people that are trapped in their house. And it does intrigue me, but, you know, it's going to be on Halloween night and probably not going to be able to watch it because that's when I take it's trick-of-treating. Yeah, well, maybe hopefully we'll be able to see it like. on demand or something, because it looks fairly interesting. Yeah, with the release date of just October 31st, you

probably think they put it on demand like not too far off after that. And Bella Thorne's she's making her rounds in the horror movies. Right. Yeah, she was in the

Amityville. You saw that, didn't you? The new Amityville? Yeah, it wasn't bad. It wasn't bad. It wasn't great. It was run-of-the-mill generic. I don't understand why it was shelved this long. It's not that bad to where, I believe, it was made in, like, 2014 or something.

Mm-hmm. But, yeah, this one has my attention, though, because I really like during the babysitter. Yeah, and you know what? I, when I first saw all the camera angles on that monitor that whoever was watching, I thought maybe that this was some kind of a weird offshoot of the Belko experiment, like maybe you said in that universe or something. But I guess not. I guess they're all in the same house.

Just, uh, just looked that way to me anyway. Yeah, so I think it has everybody, uh, everybody's intrigued with this. Like I said, October 31st, one night only in the theaters. Mm-hmm. You know, that's kind of a cool idea, though, man. I kind of wish more filmmakers would do that, you know, have like a Halloween special. Yeah, because it makes it more of an event. Yeah, absolutely.

It's kind of odd, though. I wonder if it does really well if they'll give it more of an extended run. They did with Jeepers Creepers 3 because every show, every showing would sell out. So they started adding more dates. Okay. On to our next trailer, not horror, but we do dabble in other movies. The official first trailer for Black Panther. I was already sold with the teaser, and this just kind of just solidified that for me.

I can't wait for this movie. It looks a lot of fun. I can't wait to see this world they created in Wakanda, because it looks gorgeous. Ryan Coogler is the director he did Creed. Oh, I love this. Yeah, both those movies were great. Yeah, this movie looks amazing. But I am hearing a lot of backlash in the scene where Michael B. Jordan reveals that he has a suit, which from what I'm being told is he's not a panther.

He's a jaguar. Okay. That's his thing. A lot of people are saying, is this going to be another generic Marvel villain? I don't know. I don't know, man. I like Michael B. Jordan as an actor. You know where actually first saw him?

You're going to probably, everybody listens to laugh their fucking ass off. Because he was in the wire. But the first place I saw him is he played a character in All My Children called Reggie. And how do I know that? Because my wife was a fucking soap opera addict. When it was All My Children, General Hospital, and one other one. I think they were the ones that were on ABC. Okay.

And she watched all of those fucking religiously, which pretty much means I watched all of those fucking religiously. And, uh, yeah, little Reggie, man, he's come up. He's come up. Yeah. I think the first time I seen him was actually not the wire. It was in a movie called, uh, I was it, uh, hardball, a Keanu's baseball movie. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Okay.

Yeah, he was one of the kids. Yeah, I don't remember him being in it, but I do remember that movie. Yeah, so he's been around for a while. That's the one where the kid was real nervous out there. So I think Kenner Reeves were saying, hey, man, just start singing, I love it when they call me big pop. Yeah, that's the movie. Cute kids movie, man. Yeah.

But, yeah, I don't think there's really much to say. The cast looks amazing. I think it's going to be another home run from Marvel. and we are getting this. No pun intended after that last movie reference, huh? We are getting this February 16th. All right, everybody's ready, man. I know that.

Yep. And just for everybody's information, I believe next year we are moving into three Marvel movies a year. Okay. Well, we'll be at all of them, I'm sure. Yep. And that is our last trailer. All right.

means in Phillips absence, Brian, it's time for you to step up for listener feedback, man. I got a message from Kevin. He wanted to let us know that he had just recently, I don't know which convention he was at, but he got to meet Witchboard Director Kevin Teney. No. Are you fucking kidding me, dude? Yes. He told him, he said, I told him my friends didn't like Witchboard, and he just laughed and shook his head. Wow. Man, that's like me or you making it to Shangri-La or something.

So I just wanted to add that. Kevin, I don't think we said we hated Witchboard. I think, I know Phillips said that. I think I came pretty close. Yeah. Okay. Now, our first listener feedback is from, Art, Art Callie, Art from Cali, a friend of the show.

Hey, hey guys, I have a kid's Halloween. Costume Question. I'd like to think you can help me out with. I have a nine-year-old son. He wants to dress up as Freddie Kruger. Good choice. Even though he's never seen a single Nightmare on Elm Street movie. Last year, he dressed up as Jason, also without watching a single Friday the 13th movie. All right.

Hey, I think we just found our replacement for England. Now my question is, should I let him slide again or should I tell him stop being a sissy and he has to watch at least one of the movies or he has to dress up as a Powerpuff girl? That's a little harsh now, Art? Let's see. Also, which Nightmare on Elm Street is best for a nine-year-old boy? Eric Bionnock said, Freddy's dead, the final nightmare. other than the pedophile undertones. It's the most kid-friendly Freddie.

That's a pretty big other than. Plus, there's the power glove, kill, plus he dies in the end. So if your kid is scared, he can be like, chill the fuck out. He's dead. Okay. Josh Youngblood, personally, I liked New Nightmare. I think that would be a good one because, if he gets freaked out by Freddie, you can remind him that the neighborhood, the neighbor guy in the movie just plays the Freddie character.

Okay. Also, I like the Powerpuff girl idea, too. Oh, don't make you not too powerful. Jesus Christ, Josh. I was going to, Freddy's dead was going to be my choice. Okay. But then I was reminded that there is a little bit of a pedophile vibe in there. Okay.

So, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. See, my youngest, she's seen a couple of Freddie movies, but I kind of, my main thing with my seven-year-old is I don't mind the language. It's, if there's like a lot of sexual stuff, that kind of deters me from, you know, showing her. So I guess, you know, you just got to, you just got to pick. And if whatever you don't want your kid to see, you might just have to. keep your finger on that fast word button. Sorry,

everybody lost my place. Pedro Nunes says Parts 3 and 4 have cartooning gore. I think they are, but you have to talk about, you have to talk about it with him afterwards about how this shit is fiction.

Right. Agreed. Part 1. No, that one is legit scary and way darker. Yeah. Is 3 the Dream Warriors? Yes, which three is my favorite. Yeah, that would be my pick.

For sure. Alan Easterling from Horicopia says, Show him part one. I was just thinking, start where it all began. Part three is a good one, too. Just not part two. That one is a wet fart. Okay.

It's not that bad. Let's see. Patrick Lear says the first one, how does he even know who Freddie is? Oh, he says how, first, how does he even know who Freddy is? I'd like to start with the first one, but only if you think he can handle it. I don't think I'd start him off in the middle of the series. Okay. Yeah, that's a good idea.

Reasonable. I wasn't much older than that when I started watching horror movies. I don't think a lot of us were much older than that. I didn't have a cool dad that would watch. them with me. I'd say he's ahead of his game. Yeah. There you get. In our new poll with the new Halloween coming next year, what is your favorite movie in the franchise in the Halloween franchise? The original is way out in the front with 13 votes so far.

I think it even has more than that now. Yeah. Follow by Season of the Witch, who has five? Okay. Not too bad. Darren Wilson saw I was running around in my Nixon mask wearing my brand new horror return shirt like we all do sometimes on a Saturday night. And now you have this photo today. Sorry slash thanks for the shirt. Don't worry, FBI. No point. No point brink.

Bank robbery. My kids like me to chase them around while wearing the scary man's face. Well, he does do it all political podcasts, so that makes sense. Carl McCalla, proudly rocking my horror returns T-shirt for the day. Right, another show. Yep, had such a great time being part of the show. If you're a horror movie fan, you owe it to yourself to check the podcast out. Thank you, Carl.

Let's see. And just want to say, you guys look awesome in your t-shirts. Lars from Denmark Happy Friday the 13th What are you guys going to watch I'm watching the comedy Bad Exorcist It is silly and stupid

And I like it Have a scary fun Have scary fun And I believe you had a special Listener feedback Lance you wanted to We got a letter. Actually, and also we did get kind of like a last minute message from Denny.

Speaking of Denny Lewis from the After Midnight podcast. Okay. One of our favorite podcast to listen to as well. They actually just talked. They just talked about a couple of cult leaders twice in a row, which I found very interesting. Speaking of drinking the Kool-Aid, I guess, right? Yeah. But yeah, he got his shirt too, man, which for Canada was pretty amazing.

amazing. So, Lars, yours is on the way. And, you know what? I promised Marcy won a long time ago until I saw how much it cost us in the end of Australia. But fuck it, man. She's such a fan. We got to get her one. Yeah. And then anybody else, just, if you're listening, you're kind of new.

All we need, you guys, to get a T-shirt out for you. And we print them about once a quarter, so it's going to be a few months before we get more out. But, hey, just leave us an iTunes review. Prefer with five stars and you will get a shirt. Yeah, and I also found out, please give us iTunes reviews because that that boosts us up in the rankings. It's not about downloads. It's about iTunes reviews. So if anybody can do that, that will greatly help our show out, getting our name out there.

All right, cool. And if you don't use Apple products, go bother a family member who does. All right. So we got this really cool letter from Denny. And Denny and also Jay and I think maybe Kevin, if we're lucky, are going to be. I think we're going to have to break this into a two-part Star Wars Spectacular in December. Yeah. It's kind of looking like we're going to have so much talk and we want to cover the chapters 4, 5, and 6.

Are you cool with that? No, I'm totally down with it. My son has not seen a single. Actually, change that. He's only seen episode 7. So we are going to run through the entire catalog, even the prequels. I am too, man. I am too.

All right, so here's Denny's email, and it's titled My Last Jedi Thoughts, or My Last Jedi Thoughts, I guess, you should say. Not my final thoughts of the Jedi's, because I'm sure he'll have plenty more. Yeah, there's a lot coming. All right, greetings, horror returns, boys. It's your old pal Denny of After Midnight. podcast fame and I use that term fame loosely nah yeah always a jokester man I'm writing I'm writing into you guys to give you my two cents on

the last Jedi trailer all right so to start off let's address the big cliffhanger okay do I believe Ray will turn to the dark side and join Kylo Ren no that's emphatic if you go back to the beginning of the trailer ren says something's inside me it's always been there, and now I'm awake, and I need help, which ties into her dialogue at the end when she says, I need someone to show me my place in all of this. Who is she talking to? I believe she is talking to Luke Skywalker, who at this point will finally decide to train her, and I would agree with Denny wholeheartedly, Brian. What about you? Yeah, that sounds really plausible right there. Yeah, I think there's a lot of misdirection in that, the way they film that trailer. All right, so,

So then that begs the question. Next paragraph here. Then who is Kylo Ren giving his hand to? Well, we see that Kylo is now conflicted in killing his mother, so I believe he will save his Leah to tease his redemption, but his true redemption will come when he sacrifices himself to save someone else. And we know there is conflict within Kylo in the novelization, which is canon, which I'm sure Denny's read seven or eight times,

when he kills Han because Snoke promised him his powers would grow when he killed his father, but instead, Kylo actually got weaker after he murdered Han, hence why he was beaten at the end of the Force Awakens. So who is Snoke talking about to open up in the trailer? Snowk wants Ray, because Ray can be lured to the dark side due to her mysterious past. Kylo is now conflicted, and Snoke knows he can possibly, he can be possibly brought back into the light and wants his new sexy apprentice and then a little wink sign there from me.

I also have a wacky theory for this movie and Brian this is really wacky and he's lost me on this one so we'll see what you think. Okay. All right, the scene we see with Ray and Luke in the cave with water will mimic the Luke

Vader scene on Dagabai from Empire. Ray will feel compelled to go in because she feels something dark inside. Just like Yoda, Luke will tell her to go in and not to take her weapon, because the only thing that's in there will be what she'll take with her. But, unlike Empire, instead of finding her enemy, inside she'll find Luke. So just like an empire, Luke goes in and fights and defeats Vader, but we learn something about Luke in the process when he decapitates Vader. We see Luke's

face in Vader's mask, which teases a relationship between Luke and Vader, but also lets us know that if Luke continues down a certain path, he will become just like him. Now, in Ray's case, it could mean that either Luke Skywalker is not to be trusted, possibly the real villain, or that Ray's powers are too unstable and that she can't be trusted. And that's why her raw power scares Luke. I do not see Luke turning into a villain, Denny. Sorry. Yeah, there are so many theories about this movie, especially about Snoke. I've heard theories where

Snoke could possibly be Obi-1 Canobee? No, no! Come on, man! I mean, there are crazy fan fiction theories out there and

you know, this movie can't come soon enough because they're, that what made the trailer so good was it it made you ask more questions than you got answered. and I think that that makes a good trailer because they didn't really give you

you know confirmed stuff like this is going to happen this is going to happen you don't know what's going to happen so I mean Denny a lot of these a lot of these theories and ideas they seem like they could happen but you know we don't know well Denny

Denny goes on to say but the real question I ask you guys is this all right Luke says he's only seen that raw power once before. It didn't scare him then, but it does now. Now, who could he be talking about? Who did Luke see that raw power in originally?

Was he talking about Kylo? That's my theory, by the way. Was he talking about Snoke? Was he talking about Vader? Or was he talking about Palpatine? Either way, it was one hell of a trailer, and we will all find out in two months' time.

Keep up the good work, guys, and congratulations on all your continued success. By the way, what does a guy have to do around here to get the Stitcher Man in Philadelphia, to make an appearance on the After Midnight podcast? Besides

throwing a Christmas party, of course. All right, that question was directed to you, Brian. I am trying. Ever since, you know, we started doing this, I've been getting invites to do a lot of people's show. Denny, you were definitely up there

with one of the first people I got to get on too. It's just very hard scheduling. Lance, you already know when it comes to doing our show. Sure. You know, we got a certain opportunity at a time during, you know, during the weekend to do it. And I've, speaking for myself, I will definitely come on. Absolutely.

All right. Well, you heard it here first, Denny. So that's a lot of good feedback, Brian. So I guess we should say thanks to everyone who reaches out to us, right? Yeah. Thank you, definitely. And we want your input. You know, you guys can message us on Facebook or at the horror returns at gmail.com.

You know, we're also on Twitter, Instagram. And for some reason, I don't know why I started a Tumblr page. I just got bored that day. So we're going to, I'm going to start putting stuff on Tumblr too. And as we spoke before, we have a Facebook group, the horror returns group, and we definitely welcome people to come on.

We've had a lot of new people join the group and, you know, join in the discussion. And if you want to talk about sci-fi, comic book movies other than horror, it's more than welcome. Awesome. Everybody, welcome to the Zach Baxter channel. I'm Zach Bax here.

We have the Knights of the Drunk Watch, and we are coming to you. We just watched episode seven of American Horror Story. Laura Menston died for... Valerie Salinas, the whole episode is about a feminist... Valerie Bertinelli bought... Valerie Salinas died for your sins. Scum bag.

Apparently, I missed the meeting. You did. I'm not part of the scum meeting. And we're here. We're going to introduce ourselves, starting over here. I'm Kate. Crystal. Andrew.

Adi. And I'm Zach. Hey, don't forget about me. I'm Mark. And this is the Knights King. We are not watching. start to Salae. Please don't adjust your screen. Sorry for the podcast people. He's in full.

He's in full night's being makeup right now. It's close to Halloween, as I'm sure you're quite aware of. Okay. Here we go. Here we go. This is us. Yes. Oh, Andrew.

Oh, we're doing that. We're super professional. We're going to ask the drug watch. And now our talk begins. I got the words. Okay. So I want to start with Beverly's kind of wandering around for the first part of the episode.

She runs into Baby. who we find that for her name later. And then she goes over to see Kai. Bibi Zahara. Yeah. Bibi Babbitt. Bibi Babbitt. Sir, just stop naming names because you're not going to name.

I think that she's surring him all that. So she goes to Kai's house, and Kai's house is full of blue-shirted white guys. Fight Club. We do not talk about fight club. And they're all just kind of like not looking at her, but fighting each other. And some of them walk by with guns and Harrison and Chas Bono. are there. There's a cute one at the front door. Some of them were pretty cute.

No, the first one was... They were very attractive neo-Nazis. But yeah, some of them were good people. They were all neo-noughts. They looked like, they were all white dudes. That's true. Well, but they're blue... Angry white dudes. I mean, not that all angry white dudes are neo-Nazis. The gym color, which for me,

I was immediately went to 1984, but... But some of them were very good people, though. I don't know that. I can't attest to the rank. And also, let's continue the conversation. I guess the thing is Kai is essentially having wanting, asking Beverly to take a back seat Yes

Because take a break Was he telling her? Yeah, they pretty much forcefully removed Yeah, I think he was telling her Harrison, the muscle Yeah, he needs to talkie now I didn't bring it No

Son of a bitch I mean we have the talking dragon I don't know Anyway So that's kind of when Beverly goes back to the ladies and she's like hey, she's going down it's not cool, let's talk

to Bibi about it and Bibi talks all about scum and Valerie Solana So can we talk about Lena Dunham since we're there now? Yes, we can. Like I love congratulations on her Emmy. I know right? That's definitely got a guest starring Emmy nomination. Totally going to get nominated. Oh, great

job. I mean physically vocally she did a fantastic job. Stressfully, she stressed me out. She was so sweaty And I was really impressed at the fact that, like, at the beginning, she was that shit, and yet she managed to get more and more intense as the episode went on. Right. And not just that, but, like, she kind of made sense in some things, you know?

If she wasn't, like, minus all of the whole murder-all-cocks situation. I mean, men suck. And women on cox. Like, she wanted. Yeah. But certain things about the patriarchy, especially in the time when she was living in the Yeah, she was, she had good episode number was seven. She had a good base, but then she was just like, and let's go way too far with it.

Yeah, she did. I agree. But much like everybody else on this show, though, because, like, they all have, like, these normalized ideologies that they take to complete extremes. Ivy, Winter, Kai, they are all going to be extremes. Ivy. Fuck her. Sorry, side note. That's okay.

So then we find out that they start murdering. Their first job is to start the decoupling. So they want to get rid of all the couples, and they start murdering couples. Is that a word? Decoupling? I think she invented it. It is now. Well, it's also in science, but yeah.

Oh, is it? Yeah. It's not uncoupling? I think it's. I know coupling is a word. Internet. We'll Google it. But either way, they want to get rid of the couples because they feel that obviously the men are the problem

and also any women who would be and with the men are a problem too. So they start murdering people and it ends up being what the Zodiac Killer. So this is the... They got disattribute... No, I didn't because someone was...

I'm sorry, sorry. Yeah, no, because it was one of... They had essentially, like, gay men or, like, they also... They called, they said, like, men who were... Tards. We're turds. Yeah.

If they wanted to demasculanize themselves, which is probably definitely not a word. They could join the group also, but they would also be the low, always be the lower tier of the group. Because they have a P. I just think that that whole Zodiac thing was really brilliant. I mean, I have my cities wrong,

but it was really, well, and couple serial killer, because both of those guys were murdering couples in their cars. I think that was really interesting. That was a fun little thrilling thing. I know. You know, like Ryan Murphy just kind of threw together and how real it was, obviously, you know.

Right. But it was just fun. And until this day, we don't know who the real Zodiac knows. No, no, we don't. We all assume it's Ted Cruz. Yes. We have no concrete evidence. Yeah.

If you want to, if you want us investigate that, go give us a dollar on Patreon. We'll get right on it. All right. And so then once she's done explaining all of like, you know, this whole thing happened and it did get kind of out of hand and we lost it and whatever. but obviously this is happening again with the blue shirts and Kai pushing you out so maybe we need to take over again

so we have a girl, a lady, a lady meeting. A lady alliance. And Ivy and Winter and Beverly. And they all, I don't know why do you think they decided Harrison was the one. Because he was gay. I fed it to him. Through BB.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Kai technically murdered Harrison. Yeah. No, Kai said, you know, to winter in their parents' bedroom, what should we call it? Fit? Fear is whatever. And they said, well, what about, you know, blah, blah, blah.

I didn't like it either. That was Harrison's idea anyway. Well, and also he was the gay one, and they probably felt betrayed because, like Beverly said, he should know how it feels to be marginalized and outcast. Right, yes. But then that, like, you're trying against us. Because they had all of that came from Kai basically feeding winter. Right.

The clue. Yeah. That Harrison had to be their first victim. Because then when they, when they, because they lured him into the butcher shop and then tied him down. And they were trying to get information from him. Yes. And who lured him there again? They just said they called him.

They called him. They called him. They said we were having a meeting at the restaurant. Oh, no. It was a victory party for. Or whatever. He actually showed up with him with Ty. No one was there with the girls.

Because he became, Kai became the martyr, and so he won the... Congratulations. Yeah. That was kind of big, and it just got, like, thrown in there. They did. And they did the Game of Throne reference.

Yeah, they did Harrison wants to build... I think y'all miss that. Harrison wants to build Kai. An iron throne. An iron throne, because there's a bunch of, like, leftover swords from one of Meadows failed projects. And then, like...

No, Nicole had been... I heard of talking about. the swords. The golden compass. The swords are from the golden compass. Yeah, for the golden compass. Yeah. I miss the artist. Because Meadow used to collect Nicole Kid memorabilia. Sorry, I don't know why painted it's in that part. It was good though. Yeah. Little things. Um, but yeah, so then they try and get information out of him and he is still, Harrison to the end was sticking to the party line of Meadow's death counted more than anything in her life did. Right. And in some ways He may have been right, but that was his fault.

He never said enough to really... To show if he knew what Meadow was doing or not. Right. Well, I think that it's in Kai's interest if he's such a good manipulator to keep everybody in the dark. Like, why tell each other? That's how a cult operator operates is by a stowing... Like, distrust between his followers

so that they don't work together... Kind of like our current administration. Drink! We all have to drink because of that. I just eat a chip instead. Anyway, and so then... What happened after that? Well, we learned the ending of...

Yeah, so at the end, they do that, and... That was a hell of a speech for Lena Duh. It really was. So good. So they murder Harrison, they dismember him, and they put them in the same position that they put Bruce in when they dismembered him in the 60 or the 70s. Well, I mean, we don't.

Yeah, she said in a specific... Configuration. Yeah. I mean, we don't know if it was specifically that, but I mean... But I don't know why it wouldn't be. The I think that's more on it said it was in a scummy leg. Yeah. And it was covered in scum.

And so we see... Well, I think she said that specifically like to Kai. To Target Kai. And it was in retaliation for the death. May have been in retaliation of death of metal. Yeah. So we see Kai watching. And he basically said that... he literally said they're at their best when they're angry.

Like that was his exact words and he was talking to V. He's just such an incredible manipulator. Like he's just always steps ahead of them. I guess the things that we can talk about are how much... I love Frances Conroy. Oh, yeah. Okay, so how much we love Frances Conroy? She was great.

And I'm glad that she's still alive at the end of this episode and it wasn't just a one-off. Yes. So good. Well, it could be, she's going to stay around for this whole scum manipulation situation. Yeah, I would. And then also, how much of her telling of

scum do we think is real? Real? Well, I can tell you what's real in reality, which is that Valerie Salonis wrote the Scum Manifesto. He tried to start her own group of crazy you know, feminists. And she did wind up...

Huh? Was it like men murdering feminists? was that the whole... Yeah, that's what the Scum Manifesto is about is like, kill all men. And she did try to get Andy Warhol to turn it into a film. And she did spend time after shooting Andy Warhol in a, like, nutty house.

Yeah. And she did die of schizophrenia. So those things are real. Okay. I mean, I guess... I think what's... Like, I want to talk about... I also think it could be interesting

if it was Bebe's whole conflagration of the Zodiac killer exists and I could utilize these murders to make the scum movement more important and more accurate for my purposes. Yeah. You know? As opposed

to like I have... You mean kind of like Ryan Murphy did. Yeah. Exactly. Like if she was doing that, that would be awesome. I don't know. Here's the thing, from what I'm understanding of Kai, like I think Kai is the ultimate

white men first guy. Yes, absolutely. Like, that's what makes him tick. He is a white man. And I think a lot of that has to do with who he was before the whole thing started, because there's like a page that he was reading on Reddit before his parents killed themselves and all that. And it's like a white male, like a well-known pro-white male website.

And so what he's doing is he's, you know, dealing with all this stuff, Bill, we are the wall and all that. And then he's also breaking down women, like the alliance that's being brought together by women with these examples. Yeah. He's using these women to tear down yet another alliance so that in the end, white men are on top. I guess one of my questions is why

is Bibi on his side? Yeah, that'd be one of my questions too. We're assuming that Bibi is who she says she is. Mm-hmm. Okay. She could just be a paid actor or just another crazy person. No, I think that the option is either she is who she is. She says she is and she has some backwards.

She's gone turned. Maybe she's an aunt or something. Or she is... Grandma? Another relative, like, in the same line as Dr. What's his face? Where she is related and she's kind of into the cause, but not super... I mean, age-wise, I could only imagine, Grandma.

Yeah. Or aunt. I mean, older aunt, I guess. My vote's for Grandma considering the death of the parents. I feel like it would be more dramatic. Yeah. It's true. But still, I just don't understand where, where, I guess we can start with, if she is who she says she is, why would she be doing this?

Yeah, that brings us more questions than it being as being another addition to. Well, I'm guessing that we're going to get a lot of information next episode because it's going to be about winter, right? That's what it sounds like. So, uh, nice Marcus. So. Yes, I did see that. Yeah. So it might see how much he actually knows or, you know, you know, you know.

but, you know, did he just, you know, how he fed his information? Was it purposeful or? Yeah, they stole his files or something. Apparently, Allie is putting things together outside the episode. Yeah, which is good. And also, we haven't yet, and I said this last time, we haven't yet seen the relationship between Dr. Vincent and Winter. We've seen their relationships to Guy.

Yeah, but we haven't seen those together. Well, we know their brother and sister, right? Right, but we've never seen them interact together. Maybe they're the same person. I was in a just-said. Oh, my God. I think you guys said that. Oh!

What if Bibi and Kai are the same person? He's just wearing away. Guys, that would explain the whole show. And in Ryan Murphy's forum, they would have a question. Let's take a couple questions. Okay, so I-Ce says, why is Kai trying to get the ladies against him and wanting them to try to murder him? No, I think that he's trying to break down the unity of women

and he's using these women to make an example. Like, they just did something awful. They just did, okay, sorry, just two seconds. They did something awful, so. Well, and then he followed it up with, is this part of his whole plan to perhaps get rid of all women from his cult except what's Conrad? In the end, it was a set of it.

He said at their best when they're angry. That is true. So, you know. Well, I guess we'll have to find out in next episode. Yeah. If you have an answer to this question, Leave it in the comment section below. Special thanks to our friends at the horror returns.

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All right. Well, this week, it's a fucking disaster around here, man. So let's go ahead and just fucking dive in, man. So let's check out Geostorm, the brand new Gerard Butler vehicle, as well as the 1974 disaster classic earthquake. As always, we'll cover the early movie first, and a little bit of trivia comes your way, folks. Director of Earthquake was Mark Robson, also known for Valley of the Dolls and Isle of the Dead. He did a couple other really cheesy old horror movies, too. I got the feeling that this movie was made kind of toward the end of his directing career,

which makes sense because it was made much later in the careers of a lot of the actors, too. wouldn't you agree? Yeah. The writers were George Fox, who's really never written anything except this. And this is what's interesting. He got help from Mario Putsu. Do you know who that, do you recognize that name? He did the Godfather novels, right?

He sure did, man. He's actually a novelist. In a bizarre coincidence, the location on the first day of shooting was rocked by a real earthquake. Hmm. And, man, she's like shades of... poltergeist here, man. Yeah. In an even more bizarre coincidence,

an earthquake also struck the location where the last day of shooting occurred. Wow. That's pretty crazy. From the very outset, earthquake was designed to be an event film, ultimately settling on the

scents-around gimmick. But at one point, it was seriously entertained that chunks of polystyrene should be dropped on the unsuspecting viewers during the quake itself. Brian, do you remember Smelovision? I don't remember it. I know of it, though.

You've heard about it, right? Yeah. And then we had, we've had different people on the show. Somebody, God, who was it that was talking to us about Dunkirk? And the water was spraying on them during the show. Bonzo from, uh. Bad Boys podcast. That's right.

All right. Last piece of trivia before we dig in. There actually were documented cases of nosebleeds occurring amongst audience members because of the incredible base of the sense around system. Brian, I'm the old man. Do you mind if I go first? Go ahead. Because I was actually alive when this came out. I don't think you were.

No. I thought it was really funny ha ha Eric King saying that you know hey didn't didn't you go see this in the theater

when it came out I think he said yeah fucking asshole yeah 1974 man it was a different world men were men and women were

either slutty or uh fucking nagging wives I guess right apparently according to this movie.

And everybody was smoking. Inside, outside, in the office, in the grocery store. You know, definitely a different time. I'm a huge sucker for an ensemble cast, as you well know. And, yeah, for me, man, this movie delivered. I don't think I've ever seen this all the way through.

I think I've seen, you know, like bits and pieces of it. Yeah. On documentaries and things like that. But this was one of the movies that came out during the little... There was kind of like a little period there, because that's when the first airport movie came out, I think, was right before this one. And then I think there was an airport 75 that came out a year later.

And there was, you know, like the towering inferno and just a whole bunch of disaster movies all kind of came out in the mid-70s. I don't know why, but it just kind of took the public by storm for some reason. but, man, this was a very fun movie, and the beauty of it is you did not even have to have a brain to enjoy it. And I love the way that they went around from character to character. I mean, yes, obviously Charlton Heston was the main guy. There was no doubting that.

He was the absolute alpha male of the movie. But yeah, man, you had a lot of Hollywood's best from, you know, people that were really big, like from the 40s on. that were a little bit older that played good parts in the movie. And then you have a pretty hot little young Genevieve Bujol. You know, when she was kind of in the first part of her career. Richard Roundtree is Miles. He was just fucking fantastic, man.

Yes, he was. Really, really great. And the guy that hung out with him, the hippie dude that was, I guess, I don't know, was that his agent or was that kind of like his partner? I think it was like his agent, maybe his man. manager or something like that. Okay. Brian, you ever heard of an old TV show called Dallas that was big in the like the late 70s, early 80s?

Yes. So you know who Victoria Principal is? Not too familiar from Dallas, but I have seen this movie before. So I've seen her in a couple things. She was hot in this movie. Dude, you're big on understatement. My God, dude. Wow.

And she had a better afro than a lot of black women I've seen. I mean, she had it going on, man. Yeah, the one scene in the bar, I wanted a Miles T-shirt, too. She had me sold, dude. Speaking of the bar, what did you think about Walter Mathau? Oh, in his pimp suit. You know, I totally, because I think I'm like you, I don't think I've actually seen this movie all the way through. There's a lot of parts that when I seen them, they were real familiar.

I totally don't remember he was in this movie at all. Really? And he was completely drunk off his mind this entire movie. Do you get the feeling that maybe he really was drinking when he was filming this? Hey, there's movies where I always feel like Walter Matthews drinking. Let's not forget bad news bears. I felt like he was drunk during that whole movie for real. But yeah, I don't know.

did not, re-watching this, I'm just like, oh, it's Walter Matthew, and he's got a Pimp hat and everything. What was your,

what was your favorite part of this movie? I did like the buildup because I think that was maybe my problem. The first time I watched this, I felt it was a little too slow, but as I said before, I'm starting to appreciate

the buildup more in movies now. And I just like how you said they bounce to each character. Mm-hmm. And this might not really have, it's probably a scenario in a movie that probably didn't need to be there. But I'm kind of glad to see the one character get what he got coming. Jody.

Was that the weekend warrior guy? Yes. What a fucking sleaze bag, man. Yeah, because. Tell us all about his story arc, man, from beginning to last. Yeah, because he works in a grocery store. That's where he knows the character played by Rosa, played by Victoria Principal. And then he gets called into duty when earthquake hits.

Right. And all of a sudden, he switches into this big asshole that is just, you know, he's abusing his power. And there are. Wait a minute, you missed apart. What about the little bullies that, the bullies that bullies? that bullied him in his apartment. I was just going to get to that. He does have people that do pick on him.

Right. Which I don't understand if you got all this training and stuff, I don't understand why you allow this to happen to yourself. But maybe he doesn't want to hurt him. Maybe he has always been kind of crazy. I don't know. They didn't really touch on that. Right. But he gets a little power hungry.

He eventually sees the bullies. I think they're arrested. They start arresting people for looting. Right. And he just. just basically fucks with them. Thinks that he's going to... He allows them to think he's going to shoot him,

and then they run away, and then he tells them, oh, I'm sorry. I was just kidding. And then when they come back, he shoots them for real, kills three of them on the spot. And then he gets super rapy with Victoria Principal's character. And he's such a crazy asshole that he's got the rest of the soldiers.

They just abandoned him. Because they do not want to be a part of this and he definitely gets his comeuppance from uh who was it um george kennedy's character uh lu which i i loved i loved his character in yeah he was very tightly wound wasn't he yes i mean with you know it was understandable you know you got the scene where he's in the car chase chasing someone down and then he gets yelled at by what were they county county cops or different different branch of police. Oh, yeah, man.

I was thinking, what the hell's up with this? You know, you got a guy that's about to hit, you know, driving so erratically, he's going to start running over people. I believe they said he, he hit a little girl. Right. And she was dead before she hit the ground. Wow. And then you got this asshole.

I don't know what, I think they said he was county or something. Anyways, he was going off on George Kennedy's character about driving through, uh, Jaja Gabor's, uh, hedges or something. Oh, geez. Yeah, that was pretty funny. And then George Kennedy just lays him out with one punch. And I really loved his character throughout this movie, which I was, though, a little confused near the end because, you know, he's got the scene in the bar where he's basically staring at Victoria Principal's tits. And then later on in the movie, and then later on in the movie, he's like giving her a puppy and consoling her like she's a young child.

and I was like you were just looking at her tits. I'm sure he had some plans, but I'm sure he had a master plan going on there for why I gave her a puppy. Well, I think he's in there because she did not want him to leave at any time. Wow. What were your favorite parts in the movie? Man, I really liked it. Like I said, any of the scenes with Miles in it, especially where they were doing the, the shenanigans on the motorcycle.

And he fucked up the first time and fell off the... He looked like he died. Yeah. When he went around to loop to loop? It looked terrible, dude. What did you do? He got up, brushed off, and there toward the end, they did it again. But I do want to know this.

What the fuck happened to him at the end, man? The last scene I saw, he looked behind him, and he's like, oh, shit. And there's a big wave coming toward him, and then you never see him again. Yeah, I got to, I think we just got to assume he didn't make it. It kind of looked that way, didn't it? Yeah, they just kind of... I don't know, maybe there's a different cut of this movie available because it looked like he was about to do something on his motorcycle.

And then you just never seen him again. Yeah, I guess it's to be at the discretion of the movie watcher, you know? Yeah. I also liked the part when they were all... In fact, I think this is something else. Eric King talked about. he said, yeah, let's make a safety bunker on the bottom of a crumbling parking garage and put all the people in there. He's like, seems legit.

Yeah, I believe three stories down. Right. But yeah, I mean, obviously, who wouldn't like the part where Heston went in there and played the hero and saved everybody? He was like the real hero and then the other people he got to help him were kind of like. reluctant heroes, you know? Yeah, because I don't think George Kennedy ever said he was going to help.

He just was like, that guy's coming with me when they were going to crawl through the tunnel. Sure, sure. But, you know, in them situations, you need someone to, like, kind of like, take the lead and this is what we're going to do. Mm-hmm.

But, yeah, I did not remember the ending either. As far as Charleston, Heston and Eva Gardner, who played his wife, who was a bitch. She was a nagging bitch throughout this entire movie.

She even faked an overdose earlier on in the movie. Right. But I did not remember that ending that they both died. That was something else, man. And they made it quite clear, you know? And there was no question.

Unlike Miles, with those two, there was no question about it, you know? Yeah. So let me ask you this, man. What did you think about the special effects? For 1974, now bear in mind when this movie was made. For when it was made and for what Dave was able to do, I really enjoyed them. I thought so, too, man.

There was some scenes, like, the one that made me laugh was the elevator scene. Sure. Because when it landed, it had the cartoon blood that splattered a lot. across the screen. Right. That was bad. But you know, it was cool about that elevator scene. You've got this fucking asshole, fat cat, probably like the CEO or CFO of the company.

Oh, yeah. And he's grabbing women and pushing them aside so he can get into the elevator. Yeah. As soon as he did that, dude, I knew what was going to happen, didn't you? Yeah, there was quite a bit of throwing women out the way in this movie. Yeah? So, yeah, it was pretty crazy. And it rarely ended well.

for the thrower, did it? No, it did not. Well, I'll tell you what, man, after the end of that movie, Los Angeles has some serious rebuilding to do, huh? Absolutely. And this movie kind of, you know, a lot of people where I live, they kind of, they're scared of earthquakes. Because, you know, we had a really big one,

like, I believe 10 years before this movie was made. Mm-hmm. It was, I believe it was, I wrote it down here, a 9.2 earthquake. Yeah. And a lot of people feel like we're probably due for a big one here. So, you know, that's really scary to think about. Yeah, another reason for you to move down to Texas, man. Yep. I, oh, my gosh, I can't wait to get out of here.

But, yeah, the special effects in this movie were, like I said, for what they had to work with, were, to me, believable. And a lot of the, a lot of the scenes were really shocked. good, especially the whole building scene, because that was pretty crazy, too. The people that were trying to get down the stairs and... Oh, yeah, for sure, man. The couple people that didn't know the floor was gone just basically walked off the building and fell. That was pretty crazy. Yeah, it was pretty cool, man.

I thought it was very well done for a 74 movie, you know. I mean, you can tell where all the money went. I'm not sure what it was like to, you know, to see it in the theater with the sound system and everything. but I'm sure it was pretty cool, you know. Yeah. The actor that I can't think of his character. He played Charleston Heston's father-in-law. Oh, Lauren Green.

Yeah, did he die? And they just didn't want to tell his daughter that he died. Oh, they left that up to your interpretation at the end also, didn't they? Because they had the scene where she asked how her father was doing and where was he? And then the doctor was like, I'm busy. I got stuff to do. and he looked like he wanted to say something. And so I took it as maybe he didn't survive the heart attack.

Probably. Yeah. Yeah, now that you mention it, dude, that's probably the case, man. Okay. Let me ask you this. What did you think about the scenes at the institute where they were tracking the hurricane, or not the hurricane, they were tracking the earthquake? Oh, with the one guy that didn't want to tell anybody?

Yeah. That guy is an asshole. I thought that was, that was really, it made me angry almost that this guy finds out that a major earthquake's about to hit. And this guy does not want to warn nobody. And it did. The scene was played so good that if it, you know, it got me angry. That's, that's why I know the scene was played really good. because they always have that guy that's always like reluctant to release information or do something about something.

Absolutely. And those guys really like piss me off. Yeah, plus he probably, you know, he was probably thinking that if they did it, people would panic and stuff like that. Well, I mean, fuck, dude, when it happens, they're going to be panicking anyway, you know? Exactly. All right, man. I think we've covered everything about it, right? Yep.

All right. Well, I'll start then. I thought it was an extremely fun movie. Absolutely loved the cast. It was kind of funny how it almost seemed like a lot of these people looked like they were sort of in the twilight of their career. When they made it, but, you know, hell, man. It was a fun ride. I loved the, you know, I loved the, everybody on the cast did exactly what they were supposed to do.

And I'll give it a strong seven, man. cool um i think i'm right there with you i think i'm also going to get a seven um i like the effects um good cast um a lot of they had a lot of good characters that you can just root for they also had characters like you just you couldn't wait to see them get what they what they got coming sure and jody you know i'm talking about you oh yeah but um very strong fun movie i really enjoyed it and I kind of do want to go back and check out these because I did notice there was a lot of these disaster type movies that were coming up I believe there was one called Roller Coaster

Roller Coaster. Yeah, I think it came out in the 70s. I don't think I've heard of that one. Yeah, so definitely. Yeah, I'm going to try and locate it. Yeah, fun movie. Cool. So we both recommend it. Absolutely.

All right, let's see if that train. continues. We're going to move on to the featured attraction, and this week it was Geostorm. Director was Dean Devlin, also known mainly for TV shows, such as the librarians and leverage.

Writers were Dean Devlin, along with Paul Goyot, I'm probably screwing the name up. It looks like they work together quite a bit, Brian, on the same TV shows. Okay. This was, this movie was noted by several cast and

crew, even the film's extras, as being, quote, the movie where producer and lead star Gerard Butler kept forgetting all his lines, unquote. Apparently, Geostorm underwent serious reshoots under the auspices of Jerry Bruckheimer, who was brought in as a producer capacity to very late stage. reportedly these extensive reshoots were helmed by CSI alumni Danny Cannon over a two-week period and at a cost of 15 million that's just for the reshoots wow all right well I'm sure that helped make it into the

the classic film that it is so Brian you want to go first okay Geostorm is about as generic of a disaster movie as you can get. It really felt like they took Armageddon and the day after tomorrow in 2012, and they mashed it all together into one movie. Gerard Butler, I just felt like he didn't care about being in this movie. The relationship he had with his brother, I did not buy it at all.

I didn't even know, what was his name? Burns. I didn't even know he was in this movie. Yeah? And, yeah, it's not really much I can say. I mean, I didn't. Ed Burns. I'm trying to, who is, which? Ed Harris. I'm sorry. Oh, Ed Harris. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. No, I, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know. Now I'm thinking about. I don't even know who Ed Burns is.

In other words, in other words, man from mother, right? Yeah. It's just a generic disaster movie. There was parts where I guess they were trying to be funny. It was very CG heavy. Was it? I couldn't tell. A lot of the storm stuff was just kind of horrible.

How much did they spend on this movie? Well, they spent $15 million on reshoot. So, you know. Oh, on top of the $120 million they spent making this movie? Wow. This movie was... I don't want to call the garbage, but it's pretty close. Wow.

Boy, you are brutal, man. I guess you want me to say something? Yeah. Okay. Well, you heard what I said last week, man. I was wishing and hoping and praying that this would be my bottom five of the year, because I need to round that fucking bottom five out, because I've got three in mind,

but I can't come up with the last two. Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, this didn't quite dip that far for me, man. I'm going to say that because I had a lot of fun watching it. I cannot tell a lie. I cannot tell a lie, boys and girls. This fucking sorry-ass piece of shit, stupid, fucking horrible plot holes everywhere.

Absolutely one of the worst scripts ever. A stupid little thing that he does to send a code to his brother that we'll talk about in spoilers that makes zero sense how he possibly could have set that up. I can't deny that I had fun watching the movie. And that's what's killing me, man. I wanted to hate this so goddamn much. I'm so disappointed, man. God damn it. I cannot say this was a bottom five, just because I really enjoyed special effects, as horrible as they were, were a lot of fun to watch. and I got to tell you the little funny stuff they did where this one particular they would follow I don't know if you noticed this Brian and I won't spoil anything here but there's scenes where they would show all these people dying massively

like they'd show hundreds of people killed in one instant but they would follow one person running along or moving along and they kind of like shades of 2012 there with some of the car chases and stuff like that and you would follow this one character and sure enough they made it It was just so fucking corny, man. So basically you've got these three real Americans. The Americans are going to save the day. And the main three were played by a Scotsman, a British man, and an Australian actress. I thought that was hilarious, man. Very funny, man.

Abby Cornish is pretty hot, though. Oh, dude, yeah. She, you know what? I'm going to say she, for me, me was a bright spot in there because she she had a few badass moments in this movie. Well, hey, Mayor Winningham must have taken a little break from American Horror Story because I actually even saw her pop up in a small scene. Yeah, and then they had, I don't know if you're familiar with, she's got an interesting name.

Zazi Beats. She's from that, what is his name, Donald Glover Show Atlanta, and she's also going to going to be playing domino in Deadpool. She was a cutie. She was the, yeah, she was the hacker, I guess, computer genius. Yes, I liked her character, man. Yes. And I will say, I liked her character a lot.

Yeah, she is going to be in the upcoming Deadpool as Domino. Oh, then I'm 100% in. Yeah. She can pull it off. There was some, you know, there was some good, like I said, I liked Abby Cornish. I like Zazi Beats. I just, Gerard, Butler and who played his brother, Jim Sturgis.

Yeah, they're about, what, 20, 30 years apart from each other in age, maybe? Yeah, and Jim Sturgis has no accent at all in this movie. Sure. I don't understand how they're brothers. And I did like that, a minor spoiler, I did like how somebody called Gerard Butler out. Okay. For being an American and, you know, not really being an American. Sure, sure.

I did like that. There was another thing that struck me. Because as I was looking at him and I was reading the trivia, of course, because I read it all before we did the show, Brian, but talking about how he was forgetting his lines and stuff. Yeah. I've a feeling, Gerard is hitting the scotch. Just a bit, just a wee dram too heavy?

He might be. He looks incredibly ragged out in the facial features. You know what? Am I right? I was thinking that while I was watching. I was like, you're, I don't know if you're, it's just your character, but you look, I've seen him in another movie recently. He's been looking kind of rough.

Rough around the edges, huh? Yeah. I mean, we're, we're long gone from the 300 days. Right. What else, man, non-spoilery? Um, I don't know. no, I didn't have as much fun as with the disaster parts, because it just looked like a lot of other movies just fused in.

There was a little deep impact in there, too. Oh, sure there was. A little bit of everything. Yeah. Little of this, little of that. I did like the whole idea about this machine that they built to, like, control our weather. Mm-hmm. Because it does seem like our planet is, like, going through some stuff.

It was really. really crazy that you know this movie's coming out and it mentions how the planet's going through like hurricanes and earthquakes and tsunamis and I like the whole idea that they built the space station to control

and you know they got the whole United Nations involved in it I like that whole aspect but it just I don't know this movie just missed on so many so many marks for me yeah I like that working together too

that's very Star Trek-y, you know? Yes. You know, I can't be too hard on this movie, dude, because I had fun. At the end of the day, I went in there. Sometimes it's fun to just sit down and literally turn your brain completely off. I totally understand. There's a bunch of movies I talk about right here that are, they're not good, but, you know, they entertain me. Right.

And, you know, maybe I'm kind of being hard on it because I'm coming off of. when I watched this, I was coming off of watching Boo, too. And maybe I was still a little bit angry. Ouch. But like I said in the beginning, it's a generic disaster movie. It doesn't reinvent the wheel when it comes to these movies. But it's not garbage. But according to the new thing I'm doing on here,

according to Rotten Tomatoes, they beg to differ, which it has an 11. percent on rotten tobacco are you serious 11% all right well I'll say one thing man before we go into scores unless you had anything

else you know before we spoil oh man I'll tell you what dude the clock is we're at the 11th hour because according to this movie the entire world goes to absolute fucking shit in 2019. Brother, we're running out of time.

We got a year and a half left, man. Not even. We got a year in two months left, Brian. I know. It's crazy. All right. You ready for scores? Yeah. Like I said, this is generic run of the mill. I'm going

give it right there in the middle of five. Are you serious? Yeah. I didn't, like I said, I didn't hate it. I just, I didn't do anything for me. Well, I'm about to feel like a real asshole. Because after telling you how much fun I had watching it, I cannot give it more than a four, dude.

Oh, yeah. Are you doing a Garrett? I guess so, man. I'm four on ten. Four on ten. All right, man. Spoiler time. Spoiler time. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned This is a motherfucking Spoiler alert You've been fucking warned All right I get this way I have to get this off my chest

And then I'll let you go But let me just get this off my chest How in the world When he was speaking To his brother And he did that quote unquote code That was the cell phone number So they'd know exactly

What part of the recording to stop it at How in the fucking world could he have timed that for him to say, there is a government conspiracy from the top? You know? See, that... What sense does that make, man? That's where Zazi Beatt's character comes in,

because she's a computer genius that he knows about that is stuck at a cubicle. Okay. Which I didn't understand why he knows exactly where to go where he needs someone that is on that level with computers. Right. And she's stuck at a cubicle in a giant office area. I didn't understand why he knows of someone of that caliber and she's there.

She would be on my team immediately. Sure. Which I was a little confused with that whole thing. But that's the only way I know that that was able to be worked out that way. even though they had no point in them before that explained this code so yeah i don't know um but yeah zazi beats figured it out uh abby cornish had some badass moments i like the whole scene um her driving the car sure when they were being chased through the uh what was it a lightning storm oh yeah she he needs to marry her huh yeah i i love that scene where she just spun it around and

was in reverse and just unloaded her entire gun and then spun it right back. And yeah, the president was like, marry her. That got a laugh out of my crowd. Hey, she should be the new James Bond, the first female and the first Australian, James Bond. Yeah, you know they'll never do that. Of course not. It seems like what's his name is popping up as the president a lot in these movies. Andy Garcia?

Yeah? Yeah, because he was president. I know he was president and the new Ghostbusters, and he was a president and something else, too. So I don't know if that's just his thing now where he's the president. Sure. Maybe they're making it kind of a Hollywood end joke now, huh? Yeah. But that part of the movie I did not like because there's no way I thought he was basically the villain of the movie.

Sure. You knew it was Ed Harris. Well, there you go, man. That's what I was talking about earlier. or can you say telegraphed? I mean, yes. Holy fucking shit, dude.

The only thing that tricked me for a split second when Abby Cornish answered her cell phone when Sturgis was talking about the... I don't know what it was. He was talking about something and then she goes back in the background

and her cell phone beeps and I think, uh-oh, is she involved in it? Yeah. You know, I mean, that cleared up really quickly. But yeah, dude, everything in here. The countdowns on the clock. It's just like a James Bond movie, dude.

Yeah. Even the guy on the space station, the guy that was head of security. Sure. I knew he was. Yeah, I knew he wasn't involved. Yeah, me too, man. Because they made it. They made it such a point to make you think he was involved.

I'm like, no, if it is, and this is just too in your face. Yes. And I was hoping it was that one British guy, though. Because he was really irritating. Well, you got your words. wish. Yeah. And he got his, didn't he?

Yeah, and this movie, for thousands and thousands of people to die in this movie, this movie had a really happy ending. It's kind of like they overlooked thousands of people that were murdered with this machine. Or millions, right?

Yeah, possibly, because it was all different countries. Sure. But, yeah, I don't really have too much to say about Geostorm. Yeah, but dude, look at this way, man. the little Indian kid was reunited with his dog.

Oh, fuck that dog. The dog did not want to come to him not one bit. The super hot Brazilian chick made it. Yeah, she was faster than weather. Faster than a speeding plane, literally. Yeah. The Asian guy made it. Well, he made it until he got splattered.

Yeah, that was pretty rough. In true 2012 form. Do you remember the driving scene in 2012? I'm sure you do. Oh, in the limousine? Was that not reminding you of that all the way? That's why I said 2012. But it was a little bit, to me, it was fun, though, that scene,

because he was in probably the smallest car possible. Well, dude, you had more fun than I did. Oh, you know what? I also knew the minute that they said, You found us a self-driving cab, I thought, this cab's going to have to drive itself at some point. Yeah, that made no sense. Because she immediately jumps in the driver's seat. Oh, man.

Well, but I think that was a setup for, you know, when he said, when Ed Harris pulled out the big gun. Yeah. And he said, hey, here they come. Get ready. You ready? And then they blew up the car. And I'm sure they had put it on self-driving for that, right? Yeah.

Self-driving mode or whatever. Yeah, because you knew that wasn't, they wasn't in there. Right. Obvious. Yeah. And I knew the minute Gerard Butler told his daughter, I promise. I promise to make it home in one piece. That father wasn't going to die.

There was zero, there was zero worry there. Unlike Fear of the Walking Dead, or even the Walking Dead, where, you know, fan favorite Glenn actually fucking literally died. You know? And that was even after they set it up and made it look like he was going to live, you know? Yeah, this movie kind of went against the whole, because, I mean, you got the Bruce Will has been Affleck seen in Armageddon. Oh, that's right. You got the, I forgot her name, Taya Leone or whatever her name is, and a deep impact, the scene on the beach with her father.

Sure. countless other scenes were a deep impact. The whole crew crashes into the comet or whatever. And at no point did I think this was going to happen in this movie. Right. Agreed. Conveniently enough, there was a satellite that you can climb inside of and survive in. Yeah, that worked out great, man. Yeah. It was like he said, do you believe in Hail Mary's?

You know what? I think before I start lowering my four, shall we say our final farewell to our listeners? Yes. Okay. As always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. And Brian, you gave this movie a five, dude.

I know. I'm being generous. You're playing the part of Philip with him gone. You know, I got to represent for my boy. All right. I got to be a little positive. All right. Well, you guys can always reach us at the horror return.

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Yes, the return of jigsaw. so. Cool. And what could we possibly watch along with that? Hmm. I think maybe we should go to the beginning. We should talk a little saw, which I'm probably going to go through the whole series, which if anybody, yeah, which if anybody wants to go through the series, they have just put all the movies on Netflix streaming right now. Oh, no shit?

Yes. Okay, cool. Perfect timing. I probably won't go through all of them, but perfect timing. So, until the horror returns again, Goose.