The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #77: Mystery Men (1999) & Justice League (2017) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: May 10, 2022

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What the fuck am I saying guys Half the fucking movies we've done haven't even been to horror lately Brian what's up with that man Nothing good has been out But we got some horror coming up next couple weeks. All right. Well, in this case, a brand new superhero movie, and then we go back and find a classic work with similar themes. As you know, if you listen, we are always going to include

spoilers for the new film, but we will be polite enough to wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new one, and we will let you know before we do so with a spoiler alert. If you do not wish to hear the spoilers at this time, just turn us off, and we promise you won't miss a thing. Now, we generally assume that. that most you listeners have already seen the classic film, but I don't think tonight's is, is it considered a classic by anyone at all? Col.

Colt classic, yeah. Maybe. Okay, well, there will be spoilers when we discuss anything that has been out for at least a year. The other thing that we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is usually half the time this is a horror podcast, So since horror movies tend to be R-rated, you can expect us to be too.

I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Philip. How's it going, guys? What up? Pretty awesome. I'm here. Philip, how are those Christmas lights coming, man? Working on it. Yeah? We've got Christmas lights in this beach.

At least you get it started, man. It's more than we can say. Yeah. All right, Brian, other than the weather, man, what's your cool of the weather? man, what's your cool of the week? Two new shows this week. One came out on Netflix, other came out on Hulu.

Go with the Hulu one first. I'm going to start a Future Man. I was just talking with my son about that. Yeah, I'm enjoying it so far. I remember when we reviewed the trailer, we talked about how, you know, it reminded us of the last Starfighter.

Okay. That's because, I can't, I found out that, because Seth Rogen's one of the writers on it, he was trying to do a remake of The Last Starfighter, and the script ended up turning into this show. Okay. Yeah, I'm enjoying it so far. It's a quick watch.

I'm almost done. I think it's about 13 episodes, and they're about a half hour each. It's going on pretty good. The other one is The Punisher on that. Netflix. Oh, is that out? Gee, I had no idea. And I'm probably six or seven episodes in, and I have to say I'm kind of bored.

What? Oh, no. That always happens halfway through the Netflix shows, man. Yeah, I don't know if it's, it's not John Berndthau. Okay. Everything he's doing is The Punisher is fantastic. I just feel like the story's just dragging just a little bit

anybody else check it out or? No, I completely forgot about it. Yeah. You were the one out of all three of us, Philip, that we thought this show was custom made for you. Oh, I know. I was so looking forward to it. I just haven't been the opportunity to check it out.

I mean, maybe it's just me, but it's just, there's been a couple episodes where I was just like, you know, there's a lot of stuff better lead to something bigger because it's just I'm just like come on, let's go but John Bernthal

is fantastic in this and I've seen online there's some people complaining about it's too violent shut the fuck up it's the Punisher Right You are watching the Ron show Yeah but I mean

Overall it's pretty good It's just There are some episodes. Like I said, I'm only halfway through. Maybe it's leading to something. So come next week, maybe I'll have a different opinion. But right now, it's dragging a little bit for me. So, yeah, yeah. I'm three episodes in, man, and I'm, I'm loving it so far. Oh, cool, cool. And, oh, real quick, a show I never watched in my life, X-Files. I'm starting to go through those. So, um, that's going pretty good.

I'm enjoying it. Yeah, I was a big Xbox, man. Yeah. I guess there's a new season coming in January, so. Probably won't burn through all of them by January. But they've been pretty fun so far, so that's pretty much what I've been watching all week. Nice.

My cool week this week was not even really a movie. I took my son, it was first birthday, to see an imagine. Imagine Dragon's show. Oh, cool. It was kind of amazing. Was it rocking out, man? He was just kind of sitting back

and taking it all in. He's seven, so it may have been a little young. This is his first concert? Yeah, first concert. He definitely enjoyed it, but he wasn't, you know, jumping up and down and screaming like I expected him to be like everybody else in the audience was.

It was, it was an experience, man. Those guys know how to put on a live show. And K-Flay and who was the other way? Kay-Fle was pretty amazing. Like, she came off way different live than she does on the radio. Okay. Impressed with that. It's a pretty good show, huh?

Yeah, that's got to be my cool of the week. I think that's the only thing I've watched a whole lot of TV since then. Getting everything moved into the new house and everything, huh? Yeah. trying to play catch-up, plus I'm taking care of customers on the north side and living on the south side, so I got like a four-hour round trip to work pretty much. Oh, man. Yeah. Well.

Taking up a much time. Yeah. I'm sure eventually you're going to, you know, get to where you start having customer base down there on your side of town. Oh, yeah. You know? Yeah, I had a pretty good week. Watch some cool stuff. Like I said, I checked out some Punisher and all that.

but oh man far and away my cool of the week is Brian I think it was your cool of the week last week man a little little movie with Glenn from the Walking Dead in it oh I saw me him nice this is a fucking awesome movie dare I say it's better than the belco experiment in my opinion yeah I yeah I think for me what made it Samara weaving like I don't know I'm I'm loving her right now. She plays that crazy role really well. Yeah, that's what I was going to say,

man. First of all, I absolutely in love with some her weaving. Might have to be the new hall pass. Sorry, Christina Ochoa. You filled it in while the blood drive was on, but I think I got to move on, baby. I'm sorry, sweetheart.

Where was it? Is it on Netflix? What's that? Is it on Where was it? Oh, Mayhem? Yeah. No, it was an on-demand movie. Okay.

Yeah, it's an on-demand movie. Brian, is that where you found it too? Just kind of had to find it on demand? Sure. I didn't see it on any service or anything like that, unfortunately. But I think it's pretty out there, Philip, pretty readily available. Yeah, you can find it. I know a number of people who've seen it.

And it's getting really good reviews for most of the people that I like. And the actual critics are kind of like, you know, split on it. But I think more to the good. But it's our kind of movie big time. I mean, it's got like everything we like in a movie. And it's not, you know what I like about it? It's not really, you know, I don't think it's really pigeonholed. It's not, it doesn't, it's like the Belko experiment,

but it's totally fucking different from the Belko experiment. You know? Yeah. It just takes elements from a lot of different types of horror and action movies and puts them together. But I think that, yeah, between the two leads, it was awesome. And this Joe Lynch guy is rapidly becoming one of my favorite younger directors. Have you got seen Everly with my previous Hall Pass Salma Hayek in it? Yes.

Fucking a badass movie. Speaking of Badass, he directed one called Knights. of badass them. Have you have you guys seen this? Yeah, unfortunately. Oh, I love this, John. It was, it was okay. I love, I love Peter.

I love Peter Dinklage in it. Yeah, what's not to like, man? I mean, look, it was his first feature-link film, okay? He did a segment in Chillerama, and other than that, just, I think, a bunch of shorts before that, but I keep an eye on Joe Lynch. I think he's going places.

I really do. Opening weekend box office for murder on the Orrin Express, which Philip, Danny wasn't too happy that you were laughing about Daddy's Home 2 opening higher. I know it.

Hey, but listen, it's not like I'm not going to watch the damn movie, but come on. Daddy's Home 2 is not a big blockbuster movie that's going to come out in the theaters. I saw maybe two trailers for it ever. Okay. Murder on the Orient Express

opened at 28.6 million with an additional 58 million international. So, I made over 87 million opening weekend total. Not bad. I don't think that's bad at all for that kind of movie. It's kind of like a

smaller, well, I had a lot of big stars in it, but it had that indie feel to it, you know? Yeah, and I had read Kenneth Brana, is that his name? I think so, yeah. Brana. Yeah, he's interested in doing more stuff with the character. I am interested in seeing him,

play that character again. Maybe I'm not going to rush to the theater, but I would definitely watch him do that character again. Yeah, I'd be interested in that. Yeah. But I don't know. I think it was a one-off remake. I don't think that they'll go anywhere with it.

Yeah, probably. Something that I left off actually was on my notes last week that I wanted to bring up. Ryan Johnson, who's directing next month's Star Wars Last Jedi, he's been given the reins to do an all-new Star Wars trilogy after episode 9. Yeah, I heard something about that, but is he directing the entire trilogy, though, or is he just kind of going to oversee it and maybe direct the first one? I'm not sure if he's directing as of now,

but I think he is completely overseeing the entire trilogy, and this is going to be a brand new trilogy, no Skywalker's or any of that, it's going to be all brand new. So this actually got me a little excited because they have to have a lot of faith in what he did with The Last Jedi to give him an entire brand new trilogy.

Okay. That's true. I mean, I think you have to at least carry over some characters, which I'm sure that they will. They're not dumb. Yeah. And with that news, Disney, we talked about Disney doing their own subscription streaming service. They're going to be doing an all-new Star Wars series. Yeah, that I've been looking forward to. They talked about that 10 years ago, man, as an idea.

Yeah. And it just never happened. Yeah, I think this is bad news for Netflix. Yes, not a cartoon. Well, but is it bad news for Netflix or is it just, you know, I mean, I think Netflix, will probably still keep their subscribers. I think you're just going to be looking at, you know, another fucking $10 a month we're going to have to spend. You know, I'm not going to do Netflix over this. Yeah, I'm not either, but they might.

Just because we're not leaving doesn't mean other people. I mean, I think after Daredevil possibly, they're pulling all their Marvel and Disney stuff off of Netflix. Okay. Oh, well. Makes sense that they would do that, you know? And the plan is for the price to be well under Netflix's. Oh, okay.

A lot of people are, a lot of people are speculating around like $5.99 to $6.99. Wow. If that's without commercials, that's a steal. Because think of the entire library of Disney movies. Yep. That's a good startup. And we're in a pay $50 for streaming services. instead of for cable.

Yeah. Let's not forget Disney's going after Fox to get their library too. Wow. I hope they do. Aggressive. Yeah.

We talked about Quentin Tarantino looking for a studio for his Manson family movie. He has found one at Sony. So Sony is backing his movie. Oh, cool. Okay.

Maybe Tom Hardy is Venom will show up or something. Until the next controversy. Right. You guys ever watch the Chiller channel? No, I never have. Well, I guess

you guys won't be sad to see it leave because it's being shut down January 1st. There will be no more chiller. Hey, at least, it At least it got the horror TV thing started before most of the others. So at least it was kind of a groundbreaker. But I have actually watched a couple of movies on it.

And it was kind of like five minutes of movie, ten minutes of commercial. Five minutes of movie, seven minutes of commercial. Yeah, that sounds about right. So you could do without that, you know? Let's see here. Have you guys heard that Blumhouse has submitted Get Out at this year's Golden Globes as a comedy? Really? What?

Yes. I don't know, man. I guess they're worried about the competition and the drama category? Possibly. I don't know why they would be. Get it out with pretty amazing. Yeah, I don't know, man. I mean, yeah, because like there's either the, for what is it, you said, Golden Globes, right?

Yes. So they either have drama or comedy slash musical. And I definitely don't remember hearing a musical number. in that one, do you guys? Not that I can remember. I don't think I'd call it a comedy. Well, the only guy that was comedic was

the guy that was on the phone his buddy, yeah. Oh. Yeah, the TSA guy. Yeah. That does not make it a comedy. Don't get me wrong. Oh, Jesus. No, that's a bad call, man. I don't know about that.

Yeah. I don't like that. Is there not a horror? section? There should be. Yeah, hell yeah, there should be. We had to do our own awards. Actually, Fangoria Magazine has the

chainsaw awards. Maybe we'll well, I'm sure it'll clean up there. DeHore Returns Awards? We can do that. Yeah, I like to sound good. Hey, get on top of that, Brian. Dude, put something on our Facebook group, man. All kidding aside, man.

We can have votes on that and stuff. Why not? All right, let's let's see what we can do here. Oh, yeah, man. All our listeners can tell us all how very, very fucking wrong we are on the ones that we pick is our top five.

Is Christine Ochoa invited? Oh, dude. She's invited anything. Let's see here. This next little bit of news is more news that Sony has no fucking idea what to do with the Spider-Man universe.

Here we go again. Are you guys familiar with Morbius, the living vampire? Oh, I've heard this new story, man. Oh, geez. Does that need to be made? I think I saw it. You posted it on the horror returns page. Yeah, this is, I like the character.

Don't get me wrong. But this is fucking ridiculous. You're not even going to have Spider-Man, even in the Venom movie. So now we're going to do Morbius and who knows who else. Dr. Octopus movie is next, I guess, huh? Yeah. What is Morbius doing? he's like uh he has some kind of virus that basically he's a living vampire right but what are they doing

with the movie oh they're they're making a live action movie oh okay where he's the star i'm okay with that i'm all right with that yeah when morbis came out there was no he wasn't a spider man thing he had his own little set of comics i mean he made his first appearance may have been in Spider-Man. I don't know, but he had his own set of comics. I think he could pull it off as a standalone character. Yeah, it's just like I mean, I have a,

I'm kind of 50-50 with the Venom movie that it might be good. Yeah. But I'm still, yeah, that's what's keeping me in it, but part of me's still going to be like, wouldn't it be cool if Spider-Man was in this movie? Yeah, that's true.

Although, I don't know, maybe. If they're going for a different tone, then you know, the comedic, you know, smart-ass Spider-Man. Right. Maybe it could work. I'm excited to see a fucking superhero movie that's not a comedy at this point, to be honest with you. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. And our last bit of news here, the pilot for sci-fi's tremor starring Kevin Bacon has finished filming. Nice. So no release date has set, we're supposed to get the series. The series is supposed to begin early 2018.

Okay. So I am looking forward to this, especially Kevin Bacon is the one getting this series going. He's not just starring in it. So putting a lot of effort into it. And I always like the earlier Trevor movies. I haven't really watched any of the newer ones. So I am interested in this series. looking forward to that.

All right. I'll watch it. And that is it. All right, boys. Well, then now let's take that little trip down to the trailer park. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? We are going to talk about The Quiet Place, starring Emily Blunt and John Krasinski, also directed by John Krasinski.

Really? Yes She's been in some stuff with him before, yeah? He was Was he in that Benghazi movie? Yeah. I think so, yeah. Yeah.

For some reason, that's the only thing that pops into my head when I hear his name. Okay. I don't necessarily. I always think of the office. I mean, that's the only thing I really remember him from. Okay. Yeah, I'm not sure if she's been in any. I've seen, you know, I love Emily Blunt.

so yeah um very very interested in this movie i like the fact that they didn't they didn't show you what what was hunting them and i like the i like the whole premise of them not trying to make any sound and doing sign language and yeah they made little paths that they have to walk on and um the little the little spots on the the wooden floor i'm assuming those aren't the spots that like creek or anything excuse me and um very interested in this what about you guys yeah

I mean it was it was a cool preview I think the spots he was stepping around were like dry leaves I want to know more about it I was gonna ask you if you guys saw what was chasing them because I didn't see anything but I want to know

yeah I don't think they showed anything yeah I think they kept that pretty dark it uh yeah it's it's it's definitely definitely got my attention. It looks like it's... It looks like it's different

from anything we've seen before. Yeah, as long as they don't pull a... What was that one? The Red Door or something? Oh. Oh. It was with Joe Legerton. My knots of the week a few weeks ago.

Were they like... It was like, you know, you were looking at the preview and it was kind of the same concept, and you're like, oh, I wonder what's chasing and what's going on. Right, right, right. And then the whole movie goes by and you still don't fucking know.

Nothing happened. Spoiler alert. Right. Or not spoiler alert. There's no spoilers in this movie. That movie was so forgettable. I don't even remember the title. Do you guys?

I know. What the fuck was that movie? Holy shit. The Red Door. Three weeks ago. No, not the Red Door. That's like a fucking porno, dude. Oh.

What the hell? What was it called? Joel Edgerton and... Oh, shit. Somebody's going to tell us. I can't fucking remember. Something about don't... Don't go to the...

It comes. It comes a night. There comes a night. There you go. Don't breathe. All right. Let's hope this one's better, right? Let's hope there's actually a resolution to this one at the end.

Yeah, we got a release date of April 6th. All right, cool. Our next one is a sequel titled Strangers Pray at Night, starring Bailey Madison, Christina Hendricks, and Martin Henderson. directed by probably going to say his name wrong Johannes Roberts

uh Johan maybe yeah the director of 47 meters down that guy okay okay is he the one who's going to do

48 meters down probably obviously I didn't I didn't see this one man he's disappointed You didn't see this.

It was a short, short teaser. I guess I'll describe it to you. It starts with a lady in the truck. Looks like she's trying to get away from somebody. And another truck pulls up beside her. And the truck is playing that Tiffany song. I think we're alone now. I think we're alone now.

Sure. And it's the guy with the sack mask. Mm-hmm. And I'm pretty sure you know, the premise of the movie. You've probably seen the first one. Yes. Strangers was, uh,

Liv Tyler, right? Yes. The one. Yeah. Uh, you know, I mean, that's not really,

I'm not sure if I really like that style of movie. I mean, it was okay, but it never is memorable to me. I mean, it's like a, you know, an intruder movie or whatever,

which I get, but, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think they're trying to, there, again,

with this one, they're trying to play off of the, based off true events type deal with these invasions and um i did enjoy the first one um mainly because i saw it in the theater and i think i if i'm remembering right i saw it with the right crowd that was into the movie well that always helps yeah but i on rewatches i haven't rewatched it in a while, but it seemed like a really good theater movie, because it was pretty, it was really creepy, I remember,

especially, you know, you always had to, like, watch in the background, because there was somebody, like, in the shadows walking by. So, um, they were, like, a hotel, right? Or a motel. Uh, I think it was a cabin in the woods. Yeah, no way.

The only thing, the only thing that's got me worried is the director. I don't remember. I don't think I like 47 meters down. I don't know remember the movie. Not only any of us cared for it that much. Even our, even our guest, Nick,

Nick was on that show with us and he didn't even care for it that much. So, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of interested. We got a release date of March 9th. So,

if you put it on the list, we shall, we shall be there. We'll, we'll see come March if there's anything going on. All right, fair enough. We'll catch it on video. Yeah.

And our biggest trailer of the week is Rampage, starring Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Of course. Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Malin Ackerman. As D. Egan, obviously. Joe Maganello, who we will be bringing up later.

Okay. Naomi Harris and Barley Shelton directed by Brad Payton who previously directed San Andreas and one of our top five worst of last year, incarnate.

Oh no! That's right. That just sounds good well. Well, this one's better than that. Okay, I'll go first on this. I was a fan of the video game growing up. Oh, I love him.

Yeah. I love The Rock. I will probably watch him in anything. My only problem is I saw this trailer with my daughter and she was like, the first thing, she was like,

wow, Jumanji, because this looks exactly like Jumanji. Which the Rock is also in. It's almost like you took Jumangi and you mashed it up with San Andreas, which that might not, that might not be a bad thing. Okay.

But, uh, and through that mess in the Godzilla. Yes. Which, um, I kind of like the whole thing with, uh, what was the gorilla's name, George? Is it, I kind of like, okay. Yeah, I kind of like that whole

aspect, but I did not like the look of the werewolf. Yeah. Because if I remember the, yeah, if you, Lance, if you remember the game, it was more of a werewolf. Yeah. And then, uh, and then the third,

third character, Lizzie? Is that what was supposed to be swimming in the water there at the end or what? Yeah. Huh. Okay. I was expected more of a Godzilla-type thing, but I guess they just went with actual animals just super big. And kind of threw me off a little bit. You know, I'm not mad at it, though.

I'm not, like, see, I didn't really big San Andreas because I don't really like the disaster movies. but something like this, I think, will be big and epic and fun. And I imagine it's going to be kind of on par with, like, the King Kong and stuff like that. Right. Yeah. I guess we'll see. I would like to see it. I don't know.

I was like, I don't know. I mean, it's the rock. I think the rock's making some questionable girl choices here. lately. But, you know, that's just my opinion. I love the, I love the, you said you used to love the video game rampage. There's a, there's an arcade in Austin that I go to every time I go visit my son. And it's mainly a pin, a huge pinball place.

But, but I'll make a B-line. When I go back to the retro video game section, I always make a B-line for two games, Rampage and Dig-Dug. Oh, nice. Yeah, man, it's like one of my favorite. video games of all time. And I'm just afraid that they're not going to do it justice. I mean, the things you're saying, like the look of the werewolf, you know,

the look of what's supposed to be a Godzilla creature, hell, I don't think even the ape really looked so much like the ape in the, you know, in the, in the game. Yeah. So. I'm, I'm fine with the ape. And I like the whole aspect that this was an ape that I don't know. I don't necessarily know what his job is in a movie. He's some kind of wildlife expert.

but I like the whole that, you know, he communicates with the ape with sign language and he's, you know, they're familiar with each other. So that adds something to it. It gives a human feeling to the ape, which I think you're going to need in this one. Yes. Since, you know, you played as those characters in the game. Yeah. So I think that will, I don't want to say save it because, you know, I don't even know if it's going to be a good or bad movie. But I like that whole aspect.

So. Yeah. I think this is well forget about it. what the video game was. Yeah. Let's see, we got a release date of April 20th. Yeah,

Carlton Cusa is one of the writers and I think I think that our friend Jack Falvey considers him and Damon Lindeloff like the Antichrist after the stuff they've done with Lost and whatnot

so I'd love to hear what he has to say about this. You know, I don't know if I'm expecting too much out of this movie to tell you the truth. It looks like it should be a lot of fun to go see it, but I don't know. I'm just afraid it's going to, I'm just afraid it's going to go too far away from what I imagine the video game world to be. And then like you said, Philip, it's not Jeffrey Dean Morgan co-starring. It's literally Negan, co-starry in the movie. Yeah, he's like.

Yeah, he's like. Yeah, I was just about to say he's very Deegan-esque. What's he going to tell George, ask George if he brought his shit in pants or what? Oh, you haven't heard of the 30-foot werewolf? Okay. All right, we'll see. That was our last trailer. All right, cool.

Well, we save us, Philip. It's up to our listeners to save our ass now. We got any feedback? We asked to name a movie that many classify as, horror, but you totally disagree on Facebook. Art Callie, Cabin' Art Callie says, Cabin' In the Woods.

That is fucking ridiculous. You're out of your mind, Art. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that one classifies as horror. Kevin Ness says, Jaws. A lot of your line, people say that. It's in the gray area,

at least. Yeah. Marcus Will Turner says the sixth sense. which I can see that. But I think I'd still give it a horror. Yeah. Samantha Bean says A Little Shop of Horrors. Okay.

Yeah, definitely a musical comedy. Now, that one could be in that musical comedy part of the Golden Shubs. Which would be a lot of fun, I think. Justin Smith says The Witch. Nah, come on, Justin. Yeah, I do that's right up for, man. Yeah, I think that's about as horror as you get. I mean, it's also an allegory, I think, for, like, sexual awakening and stuff like that,

but it's still a horror movie anyway you look at it. Let's see. Regarding the final girls, Samantha Bean posted, we came across this. In Thoughts? It's like Cabin in the Woods. Let's see, Jeff Genesick says Good Flick, Don't Let's Let the Rating Sway You. and court psychops says love this film yeah you guys seen the final girls

yes love the final girl great movie yeah Philip if you said don't don't confuse it with the final girl because they both came out the same year but they're two totally different movies yeah and and I just want to shout out Samantha Bean thank you for sticking with us because she originally joined our group A little back story on that She is a wrestling fan And her and her husband had a bet

On one of the Monday Night Raws And she lost And she had to do a I think 52 movies during the month of October Oh wow And she has been And she joined our group She one of our group members suggested it

To get ideas of movies to watch And she's been sticking with us So Really appreciate it She does not watch horror at all. Before she, before October, she had not watched nothing. Awesome. You can name the most common horror movie that everybody's watched.

She had not seen it. And she's been posting a lot of stuff on our Facebook group, and I do appreciate that. All right. Samantha, glad to have you with us. Nice. Thank you. Let's see. Regarding the Murder on the Orient Express,

Adam Bunch says I've been saying from the get-go that with the digital format versus stock film you easily have a film like Orion Express that has a few different endings like Clude did way back Regarding the primal rage trailer Carl McCullough says Have Ammon Gilbert and Sasquatch seen this?

Hello, Okay Jazz watch says no Oh wow The actual Sasquatch is writing into us. Awesome. Lars from Denmark posted a poster for Santo versus Kutulu, Giroimo Dutoro.

You have to make this movie. Oh, Giermold Dutoro, you have to make this movie. The world is so dark and boring. We need this inspiring story about never giving up. There you go. Okay. I think you might do some shit like that. Oh my gosh, can you guys imagine a Guillermo del Toro Santo's movie?

Yes. I don't like that. I could. He also posted tomorrow here in Copenhagen. We got a comics festival. Mike Magnola will be signing Hellboy Books. Maybe I can get some news about the new movie. That would be amazing.

Let us know what's up. Yeah, and I think we have some updates on the face. the Facebook group page. I just haven't had time to get to, but we'll be checking that out because I know he posted some more pictures and stuff. I'm looking at him right now. He just real quick.

He told Lars that the new movie is almost done, and Mike Magnola has a cameo in it, possibly playing a monster of some kind. Oh, nice. So I heard her from the man himself, Lars. There you go. And then regarding mayhem, Jason Morris loved it. Brousen but fun.

Bill Longa watched it over the weekend, enjoyed it, but I'm a fan of the Holliston crew. And Iroko Wally says, can't wait to see this. She was great in The Babysitter on Netflix. Boy, was she? Yeah, sounds like you guys both like this one. I definitely got to check it out, man. I'm excited. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I envy you. man, you haven't seen it yet. I'm definitely going to check this one out again. This is, it could, it could possibly sneak up there to a, I don't think it's going to be a top five, but it could get pretty close. It was really good. That was two, yeah, two good movies in a row.

I had, or I guess a couple of weeks ago, I watched Happy Death Day finally, and then now this one. So some good stuff coming out. That's not super huge budget, you know? Yeah. And our buddy Patrick Lear, got his movie pass. I started to sign up for mine and had address issues, so I still don't have it.

Oh, man. Can't get there soon enough, man. How do we not? That's crazy. Yeah, real quick, I think they are offering a special deal right now. If you pay for a year, it's only like $6.95. I got that email, too. Like, prepay $89 for the full year?

Yeah. so yeah because there's no way they're going to keep doing 10 bucks a month no shit yeah and I had a theory about that guys I was kind of messaging with with jack a little bit

and he thinks that he thinks that it does kind of make sense but we're trying to figure out why the fuck they're doing this and I'm thinking that they're because isn't it the same people that own Netflix that are involved in financing it right now

yes Okay, so I remember when Netflix first started. I got into it really early, like even before they did streaming when they just sent DVDs out in the mail. And I remember the prices were really high at first, and then they lowered them like this, and then they built on it. And they did raise the prices significantly, like after I'd been in it at the super low price for like six months or maybe a year. But they grandfathered me in. So I had like another six months or a year at that low price, since I've been in it. I was in the original group to get their numbers up.

And then, you know, eventually I, you know, went up to like what would be like 20 bucks now maybe for this or something. But, hell, I got no problem with 20 bucks for this. Because my first one, I saw six movies on it, you know? Yeah. And an average of $10 a ticket is what I would have paid. Mm-hmm. So I'm hoping that's what they're doing.

I'm hoping they don't snag us and then, like, close it down in too much. Yeah. So I was like, man, fuck that. I'll go ahead and pay it for the whole year. Then they have to give it to me. Yeah. Yeah, that's a crazy, crazy deal, huh? Mm-hmm.

But anyway, sorry to take us down the rabbit hole there, Philip. Oh, no worries, man. I'm excited about this stupid movie past thing. Since we get finished here, I'm doing it. Yeah, it's amazing. Regarding a quiet place, Marcus Will Turner posted Emily Blunt plus Jim Halpert plus Silent Horror equals ticket bot. I'm right there with you, man.

I think it looks good. Stephen Loblad says, Another great episode, Men, wasn't too interested in murder on the Orienne Express to begin with, but now I really won't waste more money on it. We weren't that rough on it. Come on, Steve. Were we?

Well, we were right there in the middle. Okay. It wasn't something I really wanted to watch to begin with. Kind of old-fashioned and boring, I would say, for sure. It looks like it for listener feedback this week. Thanks to everyone who reaches out to us. We love the feedback.

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and this is going to be the finale. And they're going to sum it up for us the finale of American Horror Story Colt, and then we'll be back for featured attractions. Hey, everybody, it's Zach Baxter. Welcome to the Zach Baxter channel. I'm Zach. I'm Kate. I'm Crystal. I'm Andy. And this is our after talk for episode 11 of American Horror Story. Andrew, want to bring us in for the last time today?

We're as nice as a drug wash. And we got talk please. Sorry, but we had flam discussions. Except for me. Fleming. I'm not allowed to talk. Nuggets. Let's start with the whole, like, we discovered Allie's plan in this episode.

Did we though? We did. We did. We did. I was very impressed with Allie this episode. Because there were so much of, Like, even throughout this episode, there was so much of, I feel like, me and myself being like, what the fuck is she still, like, on board with this for?

Right. Because she was so stone-faced throughout the last, like, three episodes. She joined the cult. But was she, was she wired? I don't know. She was with the FBI. I don't think she was actually wired. But was she staying to get the last confession she can get?

I think it was, like, I mean, you have to imagine. Like, she was really cold. Like, she did that scene where she comforted Kai and then immediately walked out the door and turned him in. Yeah. Immediately. Yeah. Well, she turned him in back at the psych ward. Right.

Yeah. Go ahead. Because, no, go ahead. She turned him in back then. But that's what she started. She joined the FBI. I think my big question is. People have gone into that cult thinking they're going to do something in and then get sucked in.

Yeah. That's true. My big question is why. she killed Speedwagon was it just to protect herself is that what we decided

because she was like because it's the state police rated because it's just the state police does the federal know about it or is it just state police? Well I think also

loose ends on her on killing Ivy you know they and not just Ivy some of the other people right because they would have said uh he didn't kill Ivy uh she died

somewhere else and so I think she had to clean that loose end. Well, except for the story she fed them was Kai killed Ivy in front of her. Yeah. It wasn't that anyone, no, there was no one else involved in that story. But he's saying that Speedwagon would have told the state police. And they would have believed him more than somewhere else.

So they would have believed him more than any other member of the call. That's what I'm saying is like even in, even in Ali's version, it wasn't like Ivy was killed. in front of everybody. No, but he would have had loose circumstantial evidence. Well, and even darker, maybe she didn't want a man getting the credit. Possible. That's the other side of the coin. She'd put all this work in.

She made a deal. She didn't want some guy in the public of the state police coming in. That's right. Going to the state police, he gets all the headlines, and you're right. I think that's probably the better explanation of it. That he was going to steal her thunder? Yeah. Because he was going to go to the state police, which it would have been in the state papers.

I think she was... But, so you think it was more publicity driven than protecting herself? I think she's been taken to the edge and she's working more or less off of like a feral instinct. And the feral instinct is, this is my territory and I don't trust you to...

I mean, she confirmed that it was a recorder, not a transmitter, and that was only state police, and then she killed him. And there was no way for him to contact them. Yeah. So I'm sure she'd, chalked it up to Kai killed him or someone else killed him. But also how would she know

that like he hadn't reported back before that night? Like how is he not reporting like nightly or something? Oh wait maybe the other thing is I mean there's a lot of reasons but she also could have done it in order to prove Winter's innocence and hurt Kai. Yes.

Because through Speedwagon's death she said oh you killed Winter for no reason I'm so sorry and that's what broke Kai in the end. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's another reason.

I mean, and what, so my question, the reason I said that was, was it Allie's plan or was it the FBI's plan? Oh, no. The FBI came to Allie. Yeah, I think Allie. They said there's a cult in your... Infiltrate, and that's all we want. And Allie then took it a step further. All the crazy shit, all the murdering she did and all that.

That was all hers. She didn't tell you. But she already had immunity, technically. Technically, yep. That's true. So a lot of this episode was also like us seeing Kai like continue his power. His work. In prison.

Yep. Which I think seemed very strange. It was. But he still managed to convince people to call him. It's still men. You know, it's still men and it's still him being very compelling, I guess. But they still called him combined. But also.

Divine ruler. I mean, I guess we can talk about. And this is also why. wanted to talk about Gloria because I think her aspect of it is interesting because I think maybe at a certain point she was convinced and then like what led

her to talk to Allie yeah that's the part that's missing that was a little deus ex-Gloria like they were just like we need somebody let's throw this character in that was a part that's the that's the hole that I found some way to get

but I mean on the other hand But we're scared of holes. Yeah, Ali, but she's no longer afraid of holes. So she needs to just, whatever it's fine. So she's got her new girlfriend. Yeah. But it could even be Ali being so proactive about being this new, like, kind of cult leader. Of she's going to reach out to the women at the prison that Kai is at and preempt it.

I could see it being that of her, like, preempting the idea of, listen, you're going to be in close contact with him. so let me get in on the ground floor. Do they have, let me just re-go back to this. Do they have female guards at a male prison and vice versa? Not just on Skinny Macs, but also in real life.

I mean, Orange is the New Black, they have a bunch of guys. Okay, yeah. Knights go to prison. Prison nights. No, I'm not going to prison. I'm not going. Yeah, that's true. I'm not going. You're not going to take me alive,

motherfucker. It's okay, so we think. So we think Allie was just being a supreme leader and like... Do you think she was doing it ahead of time? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Ahead of time or did Kai escape first and then she caught her at the pass? I don't know. I can't remember what the conversation was. Wait, what? No, no, no. She arranged for Kai. He had out of prison.

Oh, you think so? Gloria did. Gloria did. No, Gloria and Allie together. Because it seemed like that conversation was before Kai went to prison. Or at some point

before he had initiated Gloria because Gloria, the last thing she said is... Wait, the conversation with Gloria was before Kai went to prison? No, before he met Gloria. No, no, I don't agree with that

because she says all that divine ruler shit really turns me off. So she knew what he was about already. He was working for. She took the D though. That's what I think so she was fucking him. So then I still have have the question of if it wasn't if it wasn't

Ali approaching Gloria as a known entity in Kai's life why did Gloria go to Ali? No I think Ali definitely looked for the weak spot in Kai's prison gang and she found Gloria women are always the weak spot because they never really have... They don't support their

crazy male misogynistic ideology but I think this whole thing was born when Beaver said to her, you will always be in Kai's shadow. Like, you will always seem weaker than him. And so she had to do something to distance herself from that. So she concocted this whole mess. I'm also wondering, was it part of Ali's plan for him to show up at the debate?

Was what she said, we had planned for this for weeks and weeks. Does she mean Kai showing up? Did it seem pretty? It seemed pretty. No, I think the debate somewhere else. No, I think the debate. No, I think so. Gloria let him out at a specific time.

So when she says we've been preparing this, preparing for this. Beverly. Because Beverly was like, do you want to, when she came and said Kai's been killed and mutilated, do you want to go on with this? And she's like, no, we plan for several weeks for this. Yeah. We have to go on. So she never said for this debate, for this, whatever.

What they didn't explain is what happened to all the Kai's dudes at the door? Why was that all of a sudden? Why were they there? And they did nothing. They held the doors closed. I mean, they held the door. Yeah, they hold the door. Oh.

Oh. Rock show. Everybody's drinking. I'm sad and then wrong show. We're moving on. So, I guess, congratulations to Allie for being the smarter person. Which I think brings us to our next

point, which is, did he land the plane? Did Ryan Murphy do it this season? I don't think Ryan Murphy did it. I think whoever that knew writer is. I think whoever took that fucking typewriter away from him and like, go work on Versace. Keep producing

stop writing. Yeah, just give money. Just give money to good writers. I do feel like the ending might have been a little too subtle. I think it was rushed. Oh. I think it was rushed. Yeah, like I think it was one of the other. Because I totally forgot about hoods. You know, I mean, I felt like

if she put the hood on and went, like, you saw her going like downstairs to a meeting of a bunch of people in hoods. But also it wouldn't have been down, like, yeah, it wasn't downstairs because Erica was staying with Oz. So she was thinking of a house. Well, she said she was going to a meeting with some very powerful women.

You know what he means. Is her going to the meeting? But I think it was the... Did she say that? She said, I'm going to see some very, very powerful, empowered women. And that's what he asked. No, no, no, no, not listen to the whole sentence. No, she said powerful with her...

No, it was a whole, like, long conversation of, I'm going to a meeting. He said, you mean- Erica will stay with you. Yeah. And then she had, like, more. So it wasn't, like, all cohesive. So it didn't, like, it didn't straight. I see it, so you had to, like, really fish through the-

Yeah. It wasn't, like, straight, like, oh, this is clearly a- I don't know if I dislike that. I mean, I didn't think it was as, I originally didn't think it was a meeting. Until I saw the hood. She, she for sure said, I'm going to a meeting. And Erica will stay with you. I like the ending.

I thought they did well. It's definitely way better. I think... Way better. Personally, I think it's the best ending of any of the seasons. I agree. I will agree. The first season was okay, but it was kind of predictable.

It was four endings, well, can I also say not having seen the episode at all, but I can also say that American Horror Story has not always had the story. strongest endings. Yeah, but this one was. This one was good. Well, no, no, but I'm saying if you think it is the best one, it's like, well, it hasn't really... Well, that's what I'm saying. I think we finally got an ending

that landed up. It was... There wasn't, like, four endings, or it continues, or... Yeah, vloggers. It was me all along. And it was the ending. Well, don't tell me what happened. And we won't...

Yeah, I do agree with Andrew, though. I think they rushed it. Like, it was just... It's packed into one episode. So you should have had an extra 30 minutes. You want an extra 30 minutes? One more episode would have done it. Because of the whole Gloria thing.

Like it's just a Gregorian. Okay. You said that. But what are better ending than saying I want more? No, there's a difference between saying I want to know how the story goes further and I'm confused. I will raise my hand because the way that American horse, it's one thing to like end a season or end a season. or end a series with wanting more. But ending in a season of American Horror Story

where each season is a concise story. And that's how they've played it out for the last seven seasons. Yeah. Yeah, it's a singular story. And so it should be, like, even if this was, which we've seen in other shows on other channels,

if this was like a longer episode. And they just did like an extra 10 minutes and gave us that final. I just needed more closure. I needed to understand that. And then, yeah, I think I needed just a little bit more at the end. You know, because they could have had us wanting more with like, here's the next step. Of here is Beverly and Gloria and Allie and the next like generation. And showing us how like just like five minutes of them being like, and this is how we're going to take over the world.

world. Like, that would have been an ending, as opposed to, here's a hood that we barely remember. I don't know. I guess I got all that from... No, I didn't get it. I feel like I got that. I think my problem was the whole Gloria thing. Like, I needed more on the connection between Natalie and Gloria. But I, it's, I don't know. I liked it. I thought it was... I thought it was, it's much better than it has been previously. For sure. I'm satiated. I'm good. I can move on. Like, I, I feel like this is, I'm not going to complain about this season. It wasn't rowing. Oak, I'll tell you that. Oh, geez.

Way better than Roanoke. And it wasn't about a mother's love. It's about some crazy-ass woman. It still ended with a mother's love, exactly like you said. But it's more about a crazy-ass woman who's going to take over the world. Pretty much. Because she loves her. She wants a better world for her son to be a better man.

Oh, now you're freaking me out. Dream for Mother's love. Mother's love. Mother, mother, mother. All right, I think that's it. I think, I think, looking forward to Versace. Uh-huh. I think.

Are we doing that? We can. We can see. We can see what we're at. We'll see what we're doing in our personal lives. And also, like, if we're allowed on YouTube or not. It looks like Lady Gaga's playing Donatella. Yeah.

What does that have to do with her if we're allowed on YouTube? Nothing. Absolutely. She watches his channel. Oh. Hi, Rachel. She tunes in each week for Possum Talk. Oh, God.

The Rachel. She could be the Rachel. Up, you know what that means? It's time to go. Special things. We're nice to drunk wash. I've got to say thank you to all our listeners on The Horror Returns. Thanks for having us.

This time, Andrew is not being ready to say it. I know. Thanks for having us. If you want to continue our friendship and our bond and our love and our drinking, you can find us on YouTube or Facebook at Zach Baxter, or you can give us a dollar so I can replace my ancient equipment. We can get some new stuff for the next season of a murder horror story. And let's pray that Ryan Murphy stays away from his computer.

And we'll be here on Sunday for The Walking Day. Same day, episode five. Andrew? They've walked down the road. Andrew? We have the night's the direct watch. And now our talk has ended. Bye American Horror Story fans.

We love you. Bye, horror returns. You all are great. Awesome. Now it's time for our featured attractions. This week on the horror returns, we're holding out for a hero with the brand new Justice League,

as well as 1999. It's Mystery Man. We'll start out with Mystery Man. What's that, Phil? How did that happen again? Mystery Man? Yeah.

Patrick. Patrick. Okay. There you go. Well, that explains it. Okay. Directed by the famous Kinka Usher. You guys heard of a lot of...

Kinkas done lots of stuff, right? Right, Brian? Has she? Kink, I think it's a he. Oh, has he? Kinka Usher, known for absolutely nothing else. Until eight years later when he did two short videos for Volvo. I think it's a screen theme for, what's his face?

Ben Stiller. It could be. I didn't even think. I'll bet you it is. I'll bet you it is, man. Bet you Ben Stiller secretly wrote this. It's got to be.

Now you guys have heard of, or you may not have heard of this writer by name, but you'll know some of the movies. Neil Cuthbert, also known for the Disney movie Hocus Pocus. And they also did the Return of the Swamp Thing. All right. Now here's some bizarre trivia.

According to Hank Hazaria, the cast argued constantly with each other over the comedic tone of the film. According to Ben Stiller in an interview on late night, or late show with David Letterman, he and Greg Kinnear got into a heated argument on the set.

Afterwards, Stiller tried to be released from the movie. Whoa. A couple of cameos. Michael Bay, the director, everybody loves to hate. And good old Ricky Rackman from MTV's Headbanger's Ball. Played a couple of frat boys. and Bay asked the question,

can we bring the bruskies? All right, gentlemen. This one, I've got a story about, I actually recorded it. I DVRed it to watch. It came on Thursday night, and I settled in,

had a little bit of time Friday night, and settled in and pulled it up, started to hit play, and it said, sorry, this show did, this movie did not record for the following reason.

The channel that it came on is not in your cable lineup. So at that point, I just kind of got pissed off. Had family here the whole time, a big baby shower for my daughter. So I did not check it out. So, man, you two are the mystery man tonight. So what's the deal here?

Philip, I'll go first because I think you'll probably want to go first with Justice League. I don't know. I'm confused on Justice League still. Okay. I'll let you roll with this one. Yeah, go ahead. Well, yeah, I'm kind of, I've been waiting to get into Justice League, but let's, let's get through this one.

I kind of, I kind of slightly, just a little bit, think this movie is a little bit underrated and kind of does deserve a little bit of cult status. Just because, just because this movie is really cartoony and comic bookie, you know, it gave me that feel watching it from the characters to the set design. And, like, watching characters like William H. Macy, the shoveler. Mm-hmm. To me, he, yeah, because to me, he kind of embodies what Superman is, except without Superman powers. Yeah. And then you got someone, you got someone like Greg Kinnear, who plays Captain Amazing, has these Superman powers, but is nothing like Superman as far as personality and is totally unlikable,

which I always Greg Caneer always seems like a fucking asshole so I could see I could see him and Ben Stiller getting into it yeah but I kind of like this movie

I have not I've seen it one time before and that was long when it came out in the theater was like a long time ago never watched it since then and I was kind of digging it I like Jeffrey Rush

he played a Cassidova Frankenstein and he just He hammed it up. He hammed it up, and I think it was perfect for this character. And there was a, what other, I like the different gangs and stuff in it, because it kind of gave me like a Batman, a 66 Batman kind of vibe. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's a good point.

Yeah, kind of like 66 Batman and then kind of mixing the Warriors, because the warrior, if you watch that, everybody always talks about the baseball gang with the painted faces. And it just, it was really fucking wacky, and I really loved it for that. And you were bringing up the cameos.

There was a, I don't know, Philip, did you see Dan Cook as the Woffler? Yeah. I loved it. It was one of the favorite scenes in the movie. Listen, Dan Cook gets a lot of shit, too, but during the time, period that he was in,

I think he nailed it. Yeah, I love it. He definitely, he definitely had his time. Another cameo I noticed was Doug Jones. He was a pencil head. Hmm. Oh. And I don't know if you guys are familiar with the Goody Mob. Yes.

Yeah, they were the not-so-Guddy mob. And just little, little stupid things like that just kind of made me laugh throughout the movie. And Ben Stiller, I thought he was, I thought he was really good in this as Mr. Furious because he had absolutely no powers. He was just a guy that got upset about everything.

When he was like trying to, when he was trying to peel that little Corvette symbol off. I'm dying. But overall, yeah, I had a lot of fun watching this. I think a lot more so than I originally did. So that's pretty much my review right there. Yeah, cool. It's, it was, it was almost a little foretelling.

It's kind of, uh, it's, it's sort of almost formulate the way that a lot of the superhero movies are now, um, except that they were spoofing it and like trying to be funny. And it was, you know, 40 fucking years ago. Yeah. I, I, I, I enjoyed it more than I thought I was going to. Uh, it went on probably a little long for what it was. there was, it just,

maybe there were some pieces in there that didn't necessarily need to be in there. I was like, I agree. I didn't get on a story with a dumbass movie like this, because it's a dumbass movie. Yeah, because I think it ran almost two hours. Yeah.

It probably could have been 90 minutes. Yeah. And Ben Stiller's love interest, the waitress in this movie? Yeah. Like, I know I've seen her in some stuff before, and I'm sure she's a better actress than she was.

but she was awful. Everybody else was pretty much on point. I enjoyed them a lot. It was very believable. Talk about William H. Macy's interracial marriage as the shoveler. I thought that was cool. Yeah. I, I, I, I, it was, it was long and there were some dumb parts,

and there's a lot of jokes where you just kind of, own but they're still unlawworthy you know and it was still pretty funny Ben Siller had a line where okay so they have a shrink ray that shrinks clothing it shrinks the clothing so tight that they cannot breathe and so they shot

like hot chicks right with the shrink ray clothing and their chicks all started the clothes all started shrinking and they get these big wedgies and they're laying on the ground and can't do anything and Ben Stiller says I think my pants are shrinking. Oh, no.

It was the best line in the movie because it's something that I would have said. Sure. Sounds like it. I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would, man. It was pretty good. Awesome. So what did you think about Janine Groffalo and what was it? Peewee Peewey Herman as the spleen?

Oh, what's Peeley Herman? Oh, shit. It didn't click. I actually really liked Jimmy Garoflo. It didn't click about the Pee-Herman thing. I thought the Splean character was a nice touch, I guess. He was sort of annoying, but I think that was intentional. Yeah.

They had good chemistry, at least. Yeah, I also liked, I can't think of his name. I forgot that. He's neither Keenan or Kel, one of those guys. He was an invisible boy, but. but he can only be invisible when nobody looks at him and he closes his eyes. And then he lost his clothes. Oh, boy.

And they were like, yeah, you're going to need two hands for that. Whoa. There was some good jokes, man. I thought, I thought it was funny. Yeah, I think this might fall under cult classic. Wow. I think it does. I think if it doesn't fall under cult classic, it should be pretty close.

to it. It's something that you know, you should probably watch it at some point in your life when you're really bored. Yeah. And it came out at a time. I think this came out right after one of my personally worst comic book movies ever. I think this came out right after Batman and Robin. Oh, yeah. This is when superhero movies really, really, really suck all the time. So just thank people

when there was Batman and Robin, you guys could have been watching this instead. And I think this is a way better watch. I'm bringing that movie up again later. Okay. Are you ready for ratings? Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I think this movie falls under cult classic.

Like I said, Jeffrey Rush, as Casanoa Frankenstein was hamming it up. We didn't even talk about the disco boys. yeah it's exactly what what you think it is you know with you know you got character names like the the baby bowler and the spleen and it's really wacky and comic booky and i that's i think what i really enjoyed about it so i'm kind of bouncing back and forth from the six and a half and a seven right around there wow pretty good pretty good That sounds about fair.

I think I'm going to go six and a half on it. Because it's good. I think that they followed through pretty well. The effects even were not super terrible because there was only a few little CGI scenes in there. And I think that maybe it was just a little long for its own good. If they had to shorten it up 15, 20 minutes, it would have been solid seven.

but at the moment I'm going to go six and a half. Man, you guys have sold me. We had to go back and check this out. Yeah, it's not bad. Don't guess it's on Netflix or anything, right? No. Yeah, I think that's the first place I looked for it. So I've got to go, probably got to find this one for a rewatch.

You guys are selling me big time. Hey, if you're bored, it's a good movie to watch. All right, well, speaking of which, Justice League. Philip. Here we go. All right, Justice League. We'll start with some trivia. This is the big movie, much anticipated, this week.

Director, Zach Snyder, also known for Dawn of the Dead, the remake, as well as 300. Writers, Chris Terrio, Joss Wedden, and Zach Snyder. Pre-production of this film started in January 2016. Now, this would be interesting, the Watkowski's work. at one point consider to direct this film that would have

been different yeah at the Kent farm Clark is dressed in a red check suit the flannel

shirt this was his outfit from smallville also also also the original Superman too

ah okay makes sense I knew it looked really familiar I watched all 10 seasons of Smallville

did you guys watch that yeah never seen an episode great The first three or four seasons were really kick-ass. Yeah, it got a little slow toward the middle, didn't it? Yeah, well, they, you know, you run out of stuff to write about,

and so they start writing things in that don't necessarily need to be there. Makes sense, yeah. Don't really fit with Canon or whatever. Yeah. All right, well, Justice League bombs away, guys. Who wants to go first? I guess I'll have to go. Um, okay, so...

Well, I think you've seen it most recently, right? Uh, I saw Thursday night. Oh, you saw it first. Okay. Yeah, I think I've seen it recently, but you had a message us that, uh, this was going to be fun. And I was like, oh, my gosh, what does that mean? So I kind of want to hear what you want to talk about. I've heard a lot of different conflicting opinions and none of them have swayed mine yet. Okay.

Real quick, does let me get the Rotten Tomato score of 40% audience score. of 86%. Hmm. Okay. I don't get it. Interesting. Okay, so I was really looking forward to this one. I was really looking forward to Affleck as Batman. And, you know,

coming off of Wonder Woman, which was pretty amazing. And even, you know, Batman versus Superman and Suicide Squad where everybody really shit on them, I didn't think that they were that terrible, you know? Like Suicide Squad, I thought was really fun to watch.

Despite some, you know, pretty glaring plot holes and some things like that, I thought it was still a good movie experience. And this one I came to and I was really expecting something big and I kept wanting it to get better. And for me, it never did. Like, I think I like Suicide Squad better. Mm-hmm. The jokes, and there were a lot of jokes, everything that you said was wrong. with Thor. Okay.

I thought was wrong with this one. I can understand that. Yeah, especially certain characters. I feel like they went back and maybe added some jokes in that didn't need to be there. Okay. And a lot of them just were not funny. Like, did not

hit at all. Now, do you think that is because of Josh Whedon came on to do the reshoots? I think maybe so. Yeah, because it listeners, I'm sure you know who Josh Whedon is. He did, he directed

the first two Avenger movies and with the tragedy of Zach Snyder's daughter passing away, he came in to do the reshoot. So that's why I feel like the inconsistencies came in.

Okay. Yeah. He has a totally different style. Right. And I felt like it was maybe and I wasn't okay. So when Ben Affleck had this issue with you know, he was stepping down from directing the Batman movie. Wasn't it while they were shooting this?

Yes. Oh, okay. I can definitely see that because I feel like Affleck phoned this shit in. And I did not like Affleck as Batman. And I think that you're going to have fucking Batman, at least put his goddamn mask on for the movie. No spoilers. I am 100% behind you.

I also think he, I think he was getting a paycheck with this movie. Oh, man. And I... Brutal, guys, brutal. And, well, let me, I'll let you finish and I'll get to mine. I'm going to let's be it. So, yeah, no, I, I thought that Affleck was, was, yeah, just kind of phoning it in. And all his little jokes and his one-liners that he had, I didn't get him.

Like, it wasn't, they weren't funny to me. and Affleck can be a really funny guy. Henry Kaville, from, okay, the very first scene in this movie tells you pretty much everything that you need to know because it's chuckleworthy, it's slightly funny, and Henry Kayville's face looks fucking weird.

And for the whole goddamn movie, I mean, it may as well have been who framed Roger Rabbit because it was a couple of guys in some suits with some computer animation around the entire movie. and like I kept looking at Superman's face through the whole fucking thing and I'm like, what is, are they computer animating his face?

What is going on here? Why would you do something like that? And then it didn't click until like the very end of the movie and I was like, oh, they Cgi-Ied out like a mustache or some shit, right? Yeah, because he was filming Mission Impossible Six. and they called, they called them back for reshoots, and I guess due to his mission of possible contract, he cannot shave the mustache.

So, I feel like it would have to tear on his face or even write a mustache into Superman. Something, because that was. Well, yeah, he had a beard in the Man of Steel movie, for Christ's sake,

you know, it's not like he can't grow facial hair. He was in a, I mean, yeah, okay, go ahead, I'm sorry. No, but yeah, that part was weird to me.

It definitely had some good scenes in it. Yeah. Which I'll get into in spoilers. I guess I can't really get to here. I liked the Flash. I thought he was a really good character. He wasn't, you know, super funny, but everything that he said was at least chuckle-worthy.

So, you know, he didn't bother me all. I think he was kind of the highlight of the movie, to be honest. honest. I did kind of like Aquaman. I thought he was pretty cool. A little over the top, but still pretty cool. And of course, you know, Wonder Woman stole every scene that she was in. I think, and there was just too much CGI.

I hated Affleck and Cyborg's pretty forgettable. Mm-hmm. That's it, man. I was just, I was, I was, I was waiting for things to be awesome and they just never were for me. Okay. All right. You, you want to go, Lance? No, go ahead, man.

Okay. I kind of came in the, in this movie with a different mindset than I would say a Marvel movie, because we talked about it before of being more invested in those characters. Because what is Marvel like 16, 17 movies deep right now? Mm-hmm. So I kind of went in there Just off of what we know so far with the characters Because I really enjoyed Man of Steel Batman B Superman probably shouldn't have happened

At least not this soon And suicide squad was fun But was a movie that probably should not have happened at all Because you haven't even introduced all your heroes yet Right Wonder Woman is fantastic I've rewatched it recently definitely fantastic

so I went into this with that's what we got so far and I'm already a comic book fan so I know most of these characters so I did I do agree with you Philip the CGI was fucking horrible

what's his name was horrible Steppenwolf yeah he was a CGI fucking he was a CGI Messie villain um but overall, for what it was, I did enjoy it.

I enjoyed all the characters except Batman because I think he phoned it in. He got a paycheck. If the rumors are correct that we're getting Jake Gyllenhaal next, I'm fine with it. Ben Affle, get the, go. If you don't want to fucking be Batman, if you're not even going to fucking try,

then I know Jake, I have full confidence. and Jake Gyllenha. Oh, yeah. I thought Wonder Woman was fantastic again. We'll get into spoilers, but I'd really like what they did with the Flash. They really dropped a lot of...

If you knew what to look for, they were really trying to tell you who the Flash was as a character, as a person. Yeah. And Cyborg was... He was there. That's it. He was there to round...

Round out the group. Big old computer animated buddy with the rest of the computer animated movie. Yeah. I did enjoy Aquaman. Right. I like this portrayal of Aquaman. I don't want to see the old comic book adaption with the orange and green. And I like this version of it.

I read Aquaman. Superman? I actually put aside the messed up. CGI, face, and all like that. I actually like, there were scenes in there I really enjoyed. We'll get to, uh, especially when you first, first intro, first get, first get, when you first get to see Superman, I like that whole interaction right there. I want to talk about that later.

Um, the story was kind of all over the place. It was a little, it was rushed. We, we, we, there's no way we should have got a justice league movie this fast. Um, but I am confident. that it will go forward on the right track because things I'm reading from now on we're going to get individual movies and they're going to be standalone films. They're not going to be connective. They're going to be in the same universe, but basically what they did with Wonder Woman is what we're going to get with all the solo movies now. Okay. Makes sense. And the next one we're getting

is Aquaman. And I felt that kind of set his movie up pretty good. And I'll get into that later. Overall, I think it was fun. I'm definitely not opposed to seeing an Aquaman movie, man. I'll totally go watch that. Right. But overall, I thought it was fun. I thought the supporting cast was good. You know, Jeremy Irons.

What is her name? Amber Hurd. I liked her as Mira. Yeah, for the two minutes that she was in the movie. Yeah, because, you know, I could have used more of her. Yeah, because she's smoking hot. I am not a fan of Amy Adams. I am not.

Yeah, not. She's okay. She was grow up. She was in my favorite movie last year. Yeah, she was good in that, but I don't like her in everything. And she's one of the actresses. They're throwing her name in there for Beverly for the It chapter two. I don't want to see her in that.

Okay. Well, you never know. But like I said, overall, I had fun with it for what it was. I don't think it's going to kill the franchise. I think they could learn from their mistakes. And like I said, this movie with the Zach Snyder situation with his family, I think that's where the tone kind of got all jumbled because you bring in Josh Whedon, who's done the Avengers, which was more lighthearted, jokey.

And he's also written like Buffy to Vampire Slayer and stuff like that. That's a totally different style of director and writer to come in to do reshoot. So I did not understand. why they brought him in. And some of the jokes I felt like were even there. Like they were written well, but like the timing was bad or the delivery was bad or something. It didn't fucking work, man.

I honestly, I don't want, I don't need jokes in these DC movies. Everybody was complaining about they're too dark. Yeah, not enough comedy or whatever humor. Fucking bad. Yeah, I get that in my Marvel movies. and if I want the opposite then DC was

you know everybody complained because of the man of steel because the destruction at the end of the movies well I mean he's a super being from another planet fighting another one you know what do you expect is going to happen and I don't I think

we as not we as us but overall people movie fans are getting a little spoiled yeah because we ask for one thing and then we get it and then we want another thing. And I don't think people are ever happy. For sure.

So, but overall I enjoyed it. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm gonna, I think I'll be the lighthearted of the three of us on this one because I went into this. You guys know I went into this thing wanting to hate it. Oh, yeah. I don't even think you wanted to watch it all.

Dude, I didn't. No, I wanted to see Wishapon instead of this, remember? Oh, God. I was like, fuck it. Come on, man. Let's get back to horror. I don't want to see this piece of shit. This is going to be horrible.

Lance, I'll tell you what, well, our next bonus episode, we can do wish upon because I like to talk more in depth about that movie. We'll get Nezone for that one. Oh,

you guys are going to gang up on me. He probably likes it. Oh, he loved it. Well, I haven't seen it yet. So we'll, in due time, boys, in due time. No, I had a great time at this movie. I had a lot of fun.

Yes, I mean, there were shit loads of plot holes. Yes, the way that they, well I mean you guys have already said cavils in the movie and everybody knows it so you know they had to do something to get him there I think the way they brought him into the movie was incredibly fucking stupid made no sense big plot hole really dumb idea yeah right the cgI didn't bother me that much guys that was going to work you know what the cg didn't bother me that much because I had a lot of fun of the movie I really

love okay here's what I liked about it oh and at the very very beginning the part you talking about Philip that showed Cavill where he was like on somebody's phone there and you get these because of course only little infant children run podcasts right? All the adults do like actual you know legitimate broadcasting right?

It's just those little fucking punks that do podcasting so you get oh superman oh what do you what makes you an American Superman you know and all this bullshit I'm like oh here we go I'm going to hate it I can't wait to dig my teeth into this but when they went to the scene

after that and they introduced Batman where he was battling the buzzing you like the flying monster in that first thing is fucking badass I love that scene and even more so when they introduced Wonder Woman the scene where she was in London and what she did at the beginning of the movie

I thought that was just amazing and I'm like okay I think I might actually enjoy this I like the new characters they brought in I thought Momoa was great I mean yeah was he over the top yes of course like when he grabbed the bottle of whiskey and drank the whole fucking bottle.

It's cool, man. It's nice to see a man's man in a fucking movie at this point. Yeah, they were trying to get across that he was badass. Yeah, well, they did. I mean, I bought it. And then, okay, and then you've got Ezra Miller. And at first I'm thinking, oh, shit, this kid's got to irritate the hell out of me. He's got all these fucking corny one-liners.

That's all he's there for is just to tell jokes. But I don't know. I kind of warmed up to him a little bit. he reminds me, Philip, I was telling you this last night, he reminds me of a young, very flamboyant, Jimmy Fallon. He just, he had that Jimmy Fallon look, that Jimmy Fallon style delivery. I thought the kid was pretty good, man. He did what he was expected to do, you know?

He straddles that line between annoying and funny really, really well. Yeah, yeah. At first I didn't think I was going to like it, but I kind of grew to like him in his role. And I actually liked Ray Fisher, the cyborg character. I thought he was, I mean, you know, first of all, he's pretty much a teenager, which I thought was kind of weird putting him in there because he was from the Teen Titans. But, you know, as Patrick explained to us, I guess he was in the Justice League at one point. So he was kind of an outsider and he kind of acted like one, you know.

He was like, it was a little bit hard to convince him to do the right thing because he felt like, you know, he had a lot of that teenage angst from what his dad did to him to, well, let's not give too much away, I guess, but there's reasons that he had a lot of teenage angst, you know, and that he felt kind of isolated and sort of as a loner. But I thought he got that across really well. You know, the backing characters were all, you know, pretty good. They did what they were supposed to do. Yeah, I mean, did they try to cram too much into it? Probably. You know, they probably did, but yeah, at the end of the day, I really enjoyed this movie a whole lot more

than I thought I was going to. I had a lot of fun. I'll put it that way. You guys ready for scores? Yeah. Philip? Yeah. My wife really liked it,

and a lot of other people that I've seen have really enjoyed this movie, and it leads me into wonder, am I wrong? Should I watch it again? Probably not. As it is, Yeah, as it is, I'm going to, I can't give it more than a four.

Like, I mean, there was some really redeeming scenes in it. But on a whole, I left really disappointed. Four CGI mustaches on 10, huh? Right, yeah, exactly. I think it can only go up from here, Brian. Yeah, I'm on the other side. I'm going to give it a seven and a half. Oh, wow.

I went into this. Like I said, I recognize all the problems with it. I think from the jump, this was just, this was probably a nightmare to make this whole production. And DC has a lot, not DC, I'm not going to say DC, Warner Brothers, because they got their hands all over this. They need, they got a lot of lessons to learn here. But like I said, I think,

they can only get better from here because I think this is what definitely way better than a Batman v. Superman. This was their paint by numbers movie. This is what they did to try to be more like Marvel. Yes. And the other

reason I say, go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, I don't, I don't think that they need to be more like Marvel. Yeah, I don't think so either. And the other reason I think they can only get better from here is because this was being filmed at the same time as Wonder Woman.

And I think they was already well into production on this and saw what what could happen when done right with Wonder Woman. I think it's only going to get better from here. So I went into it

just going, I don't know. It is what it is. And I had fun. And we'll get into spoilers. I'll probably talk about all the stuff I liked because, you know, maybe I came off like I bashed this movie a little bit too much

but I did have fun overall so uh seven and a half yeah so did so did I man I give it I give it a strong seven I give it a seven out of ten I really enjoyed the movie that surprises me you just totally did not want to watch this movie no you didn't even you didn't even

you didn't even finish a Batman v Superman did you I couldn't couldn't even finish the last half hour or so of it oh and I love the stingers too, which we'll get into later if you guys saw them. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh, thanks for the heads up, Philip. Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying.

There's two of, save for the movie. Yeah, because my, my theater was crazy. Every, every show on was sold out. And if you wouldn't have told me about those two stingers, I probably would, as soon as the movie I probably would have got my kids and jumped up and got out of there because it was

packed. And they were They were worth waiting for. Well, speaking of which, you guys ready to say we're going to spoil? Spoil it. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. All right. Philip, what about the stingers, man? So I really liked the Lex Luthor one. Yes, that was awesome.

They're going to find a league of their own. That was the greatest line ever, man. I really love that. Which, that portrayal of Lex Luthor, I liked better than what he did. Yeah. And we got... I love his acting in that little half a scene better than most of the acting through the whole fucking movie, man. It just, I could not get into this shit.

I really couldn't. Makes sense. I kept feeling like they were sitting. on a Hollywood set surrounded by just, you know, green screens. Right. I'm telling you, dude.

The whole fucking movie. I mean, they could have filmed this in 1994 and then updated it now and it was in the same goddamn thing. I felt weird when the flash came in and his, like, actual costume that was actually on his body. Right.

It's like, wow, that's out of place. Yeah, it looks strange. And in this scene, we got our first glimpse of Joe Maganello as a death stroke. Oh, yes. I thought he looked perfect as death stroke.

And I like that, that line that you said, Philip, about starting a league of their own because they're probably talking about the Legion of Doom. Yeah. And I want to ask you guys,

did you guys get the feeling of when that decoy that was in the prison cell? Mm-hmm. The way he was laughing led me to believe that possibly the Joker broke Lex Luthor out. Hmm. Yeah. That would be awesome.

That would be awesome. Yeah. See, that's what I liked about the movie. There was some world building in this, and those were the things that I really enjoyed. Like, I'm anticipating the Aquaman movie because I was wondering, are we going to get a prequel? what are we going to get with Aquaman? But in this movie, they'd let you know that he's not even the king of Atlantis.

He's been kind of doing his own thing for a while. Right. Yeah. Because when we went and he interacts with Mirro, they're not even married and she's like his future wife. Ah, cool. All right. So that let me know where the movie's going.

Yeah. And there was a little rumor about the kid that was doing the podcast in the beginning that that's Billy Batson, who is Shazam. Sure. I don't know how true that is, but That scene was corny as hell, man. Yeah. That scene was corny as hell.

Another thing. Yeah, another thing I kind of liked, I liked the, when they were telling the story about the, the first time Steppenwolf came. Mm-hmm. How everybody united. Right. And, you know, you got a, finally, we got a little glimpse of the, the Green Lantern. even though it wasn't the actual ones, which that I kind of didn't like because they showed up before to fight Stepping Wolf.

Oh, I loved it when the Green Lantern Corps showed up. That was really awesome. Yeah, which I wasn't expecting that. I like that in that sense. But when he showed up a second time, where were they then? I don't know. Good question. Good question.

Well, I don't know. I wasn't scared of stealing through the whole movie. So I don't know that they. They needed the Green Lantern for to come mess with this low-level dude. Who got eaten by his own fucking people? Like, what kind of bitch-ass death is that? The good guys didn't even beat you. Your own dudes did.

Right. They sensed your fear and came and got you. That was kind of dumb. That was kind of anticlimactic, I will admit. And I had brought up before that I think they're building Barry Allen's character very nicely because he lets you know not just he's fast but like

when you get when you see his like layer I guess you cause layer where he lives and stuff he has all those TV screens going on at the same time that's because he he needs to be stimulated by a lot of different things at once because that's how fast he's moving all the time

and and I like you know he's he's always talking about he needs to eat he needs to eat because this is metabolism and then they drop They dropped a couple lines. I don't know if any, because I got more familiar with the Flash watching the first couple seasons of the TV show.

Mm-hmm. He dropped a line about knowing sign language, and then he said guerrilla sign language, which there's a character called Gorilla Gride. Gorilla Gride, sure. So that's just more world-building, and that's what was keeping me in the,

another thing that was keeping me into the movie, because there was a lot of Easter eggs dropped throughout this, movie. Yeah, I agree. I thought some of it. Yeah, like I said, the first couple, I was like, oh, are we going to have to deal

with this for the whole movie? But then, yeah, I started settling into it. I thought he was really funny. Yeah, and I liked how he was just excited to be a part of the Justice League, because every time you got one of those shots of, you know, the little pan around of everybody just kind

of posing. Yes. He is just staring at them, especially Wonder Woman. There was a scene that kind of cracked me up. He's just staring at her, like, in awe. Yeah, of course. I love that. He was just happy to be there. Another thing I want to bring up real quick.

Did you guys catch the original Superman and 89 Batman theme songs throughout the movie? Oh, I'm glad you brought the music up, dude. Elfman did some great things with that soundtrack, didn't he? Yes, he did. And the Wonder Woman theme, in the scene with Wonder Woman early on, they were playing that. And yeah, you're right. It was the original themes, man. Very well done.

that was I really, really love that they threw those in there. Yeah, the music was one of my favorite parts of the movie, for sure. And another thing that, I don't mean to take up the whole time here. Oh, no, go ahead. Another thing that somebody pointed out to me, the guy that played the original Jimmy Olson from the original, he was the prison guard that was signing Barry Allen in to see his dad.

No way. Really? Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. I didn't recognize them, but somebody had pointed it out. And then I looked it up, and the actor is Mark McClure. Okay. And so I thought that was a good callback since they killed off Jimmy Olson and Batman v. Superman. Yeah.

Man, I feel like they had all the right pieces. They just followed the wrong IKEA directions or something. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like I said, I've been. A lot more fun than I expected. The scene was Superman, okay, when they first brought him back.

Is that what you were talking about that didn't make any sense? Yeah, that was terrible. Where they dropped the other box into the water and... Yeah, how did they figure that out? I have no idea. Because Batman said there was a fraction of a chance. Ah, okay. Or a percent of a chance.

That must be true. I don't know. It was stupid, but I did enjoy bad amnesia, Superman. Hell yeah. Probably the coolest scene in the movie. I like that. I like that part where the Flash was running around him

and you can see his eye moving along. Oh, yeah. I love that because you see it, you see it on the Flash's face because he just, he did never realize how fast Superman was. Yeah, that was his bullshit moment. Yeah, which we didn't even talk about the other

credit scene of them racing. Yeah, that's in the comic books, right? Yeah, and I love that Superman. asked him so what coast do you want to race to? That was cool. Oh, he turned the wrong way. Yeah. Do I like this kid as much as like Spider-Man?

They got the kid that they had playing Spider-Man. But he's still funny in his own right. And I think that I'm probably most excited about a standalone Flash movie. Yeah. One of the reason I'm excited for the Flash, because they're supposed to be doing the Flashpoint storyline. Right. You were telling us, but that a few weeks ago.

Yeah. So I think they're going to try to change some things within the DC universe or movie universe here, because the Flashpoint is basically him going back to change something that he wants to change and basically altering timeline and everything's all messed up, which would bring back Jeffrey D. Morgan as bad. Batman because in that in that storyline Thomas Wayne is Batman not Bruce Wayne

So you think that would be You think he'll be playing Batman as Negan Um Period in the movie But We'll have to see what they do here Because like I said When I heard the news of Jake Gyllenhaal

I was really intrigued Pretty excited Yeah And they said the whole age thing Was not going to play a part I watched this fucking movie right okay

we get it Philip you didn't like it we get it goddamn athlete was okay just just want to ask did he bother you more

as Bruce Wayne or Batman no I liked him when he was just Bruce Wayne I hated him when he was Batman with no mask ah okay

which was like 90% of the goddamn movie man and then he had his little jokes that he did. Like, I have those superpowers. I'm rich. What's your superpower? I like that one.

I thought that one was good. But his little, like, there was one scene in particular that I cannot get out of my head because it made me so mad. It was when he was, I can't remember what he was coming away from, but he did this little rolling his eyes and straightening in his costume thing. Oh, no. After somebody had hit him in the face or something. Right. And it was supposed to be funny, and it wasn't at all. And then Henry Cavell had a couple of moments, too,

where he threw some jokes out there that you weren't even sure were really jokes. And you know what happened in my audience? Fucking crickets. That's what happened. That would have been jokes. I was like, was that a joke? Because that wasn't funny at all. Aye.

Oh, man. What else, guys? Any other points you guys want to bring up before we? The Aquaman sitting on Wonder Woman's Truth Lasso. Oh, yeah. That was my favorite scene of the movie, man. I know. Yes. That was funny. He said, that was well-re-re... He goes, you, you're fine.

Like it started out, and I was like, where is this coming from? This shit does not make sense at all. This goddamn movie. And then he stands up and pulls out the truth lasso, and I was like, oh, okay. There you have it. It got me. All right. You guys ready to wrap it up? Yeah, I think we've.

We've, uh... This movie is very decisive, divisive. I'm sorry. Yeah, and I didn't think it would be. Well, I mean, I thought, I thought Philip would really like it. Uh, Brian, I thought you'd be, you'd be somewhere, you know, middle to high, and I thought I'd give it like a two. I didn't. you think you were going to give it a two.

Man, honestly. I almost gave it a two. Like, I'm not joking. I like to respect to a lot better than this movie. I kind of like Batman v. Superman better than this movie. Oh, ouch. Yeah, I don't know. Like I'm saying, am I wrong?

I need to, like, go back and watch it again, because everybody else seems to be like, oh, yeah, it wasn't bad. It was okay. Well, that's me with North. I did like that scene, though, the callback to Batman v. Superman, the do you bleed? Yeah. Like I said, I really,

I really, I really, I really like bad Superman. Mm-hmm. Yeah, when you were, when you were, I knew that's the scene you were talking about because, yeah, when he said that, I was like, who, Superman's like, he had, he kind of had the,

yeah, he kind of had the voice of like Batman, how Batman has that kind of gruffled voice. Absolutely. Yeah. That was, that was, that was, pretty funny. That was pretty awesome. And then,

go ahead. You guys are both talking at the same time. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Philip. I'm sorry, dude.

And then, so Batman laying on the ground afterwards and he's like, oh, yep, I think I'm bleeding. That was like his only funny line. Every other joke

he had just tanked. Yeah, I was going to say, and then Amy Adams came and ruined the scene. Yeah. I'm not a fan of her. Yeah, that was borderline Martha, that Martha scene.

Yeah, it was okay. It was okay. Yeah, I think we've talked to Duff. All right, cool. I mean, people are going to see it, so what the fuck. I mean, do you have any box office numbers on this one yet, Brian, or we're going to cover that next week? Next week. It's, I think it's a, within the first two days, I think it made over at least 200 million, at least.

Wow. So, it's, a judge of my theater, my theater was, I had to see this in IMAX. I couldn't even use my movie pass. Oh, really? Because everything was sold out. Hmm. So, the majority of people I heard like it so far. All right.

That's what? Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, I'll make a deal with you, Philip. If you watch this one again, I'll watch Thor again. Deal? Okay. Deal. We'll come back and see if we give it.

new scores. Fair enough? Yeah, fair enough. All right, well, listen, thanks for listening to the horror returns, guys. You guys know how to reach us. Next week, we got a real special treat for you guys, another really, really special guest on the show, and we're going to have film and television music composer

Las El Chierre. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong. But we're going to be bringing you guys a show all about music and horror movies. movies. So that should be really exciting. And what do we have coming up after that, Brian?

Can you give listeners a little preview? I know we got the shape of water at some point, right? Yeah. Let me pull it up real here. Yes, we actually we're going to have a special guest

to do a Christmas horror episode. Oh, yes. We're going to be reviewing silent night, deadly night, a Christmas horror story, and Red Christmas, uh, starring, uh, D. Wallace. Cool. So we're going to get ready for the holidays, uh, two weeks. And, uh, after that, we will have the shape of water. Awesome. From Guillermo del Toro. We'll also be doing the creature from the Black Lagoon. And after that, uh, Star Wars.

Yes. And another guest. We had a lot of guests coming up. Yes. All right. Cool. I think Denny and Jay are going to be on that one with us. Yep. All right. And to do real quick and to finish the month out, we will be doing the Netflix movie Bright and Alien Nation.

And I believe Kevin will be joining us. Oh, fantastic. Fantastic. Man, I'm looking forward to. It's going to be an exciting end of your wrap up. So until the horror return. again, Philip. Do not.

Batman's mustache. Thank you for me.