The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #8: Enemy Mine (1985) & Star Trek Beyond (2016) (Reupload)

Episode Date: April 16, 2021

This week, since Lance makes us,  we check out the newest Star Trek film and also Enemy Mine. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Greetings, listeners. You have found the horror returns. For all of you who delight in dread, fantasize about fear, and glorify gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves that the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie. Then we go back and find a classic work with similar themes, looking at both similarities as well as differences. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear

remain the same from generation to generation. But we also want to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and political climate of the times. Although we always do our best to avoid spoiling the new release, sometimes it may be necessary to talk about certain details in the course of our conversation. And we generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, so there will often be spoilers

whenever we're discussing anything that has been out for at least one year. The other thing that we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be as well. I'm Lance, and with me, as always, are my co-host, Brian and Philip. As mostly always, but I'll be there where I can get there. Hey, the bands back together. Yeah, sorry guys, man.

I hate missing those shows. Well, let's tell you what we're going to do, man. Let's start out with a discussion of some of the highlights of what we've checked out this week. Philip, we know you've been on vacation on the beach. Did you get a chance to check anything out? Yeah, I was looking for Blake lively out there. Did you find her? Well, I mean, she's from Galveston, apparently, from the movie.

That's right. I didn't. I found a chick that kind of looked at like her, but, you know, dragging two kids in tow and being like, hey, what's up? It doesn't usually work. I don't know, man. I thought having little kids and babies around you could kind of attract women sometimes. Yeah, not when your wife is yelling at you in the background. But, hey, it was cool, dude.

Like I said, I'm a Galveston person. The waters were a little brown, but that's just kind of because of the sand. And the waves were a little crazy. And we had a good time. I got to unplug my phone for a fucking week. How about that? Sounds amazing. Yeah, that sounds really good.

Did you watch any movies with the kids or anything? No, dude, we didn't watch anything at all. I need to catch up on some stuff. Hey, there's nothing wrong with unplugging every once in a while, you know? Yeah. Man, dogs and podcasts, huh? Bad combination. Hold on.

We got our own podcast dog, dude. Yeah, I was about to say he's, is a he or she? Oh, it's a he. Yeah, he seems like the official mascot. Not supposed to kick him, Lance. What the hell? All right. So where were we at?

You were talking, Philip, you said, like, You didn't watch anything, huh? No, man, just chilled at the beach and turned the phone off and drank probably way more than I should have. Well, yeah, every once in a while, we got to unplug from life a little bit, you know? Yeah, that's true. I'm kind of ready to get back to work after hanging out with the mom and brother and all the extended family drama, you know. Oh, yeah, for sure. What about you, Brian?

I checked out I didn't catch up on any shows but I checked out a few movies I got to see Green Room Oh man I've been wanting to see that I'm not going to get into no spoilers or anything But I fully recommend this movie

Cool I'll go ahead and That's the military one No that's the one with Anton Yelchin The guy who just died recently Oh really And basically the premise is

There are punk band and they kind of like travel around, you know, getting gigs here and there when they can and they get a gig to do basically it's like at a white supremacist like club or something

and they end up witnessing something in the green room that they shouldn't have seen and basically spend the rest of the movie trying to get out. I got you. Like super bad but not quite as funny. Yes.

Pretty graphic. I'm gonna go ahead and give this an 8 on 10. I really enjoyed this movie. That's pretty strong. I remember it coming out and I'm saying it was really graphic. I wanted to see it and I just kind of forgot about it. Also checked out The Witch. Oh, I love that movie, man.

Did you? Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Yeah, I'm going to give this one a 7. It's not going to be for everybody. It's a little bit of a slow burn. but I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Yeah.

See, I heard somebody on our little radio show here say that it wasn't any good. And so I kind of just dismissed it. But yeah, Jesus, I go. Yes. I had someone tell me it wasn't good. But I think they kind of talk in that old English kind of, you know, the way they talk, I think kind of throws everybody off. Because there was times where I was kind of, it was kind of hard to follow what they were saying

or what they were talking about. Salem. Salem was like that. Oh, this one. It's more old Englishy than that. Oh, really? Yeah. But after you watch the movie,

you kind of, after you watch it, though, you kind of get with it. Yeah. So I recommend people check it out. You can get into those accent stuff, man. Hell, I can get into the little foreign movies

every once in a while. Yeah. Also checked out Teenage Mutant of the shadows. Oh, yeah? New one. Yeah, it was fun.

You know, I took my daughter. It was fun. I saw that. I give it about, you know, it was a little bit long. I give it a six and a half. That's not bad. I thought it was better than the first one. Yeah, it is.

I'll give you that. I did not like, what's his name? Stephen Amel as Casey Jones. Yeah, because he's pretty much. He's Arrow in this. Oh, kidding. Yeah, so he's, he wasn't, he wasn't the Casey Jones I grew up with. Yeah, see, I'm thinking back to like the original Teenage Mutiny Turtles, and I still incorporate quotes from that movie into my everyday life.

Apparently, the reason why he had short hair in this was because of Arrow, because he couldn't grow the hair out. Yeah, he could have worn a wig, man. Come on. I heard this one has Bebop and Rock Steady, though. yeah they were they were probably one of the best parts of the movie right yeah i didn't even realize it was a wrestler it was shameless that played uh yeah yeah that played one of them throughout the whole movie like i didn't realize who it was and i mean i'm not i've been into wrestling in a while but uh i thought that was cool yeah it's definitely uh it's better than the first one it's it's a good uh you know a good time at the movies take the kids yeah and um or you got it

I got a couple of rewatches. Deathgasm. You guys check out Everett check out Deathgazm. I haven't seen it yet, but I understand it's on Netflix now. Yes, check it out. I give this one an eight. Just on the name alone. Yeah, they're a heavy metal band. Oh. Yeah, they get some kind of sheet music, and basically they summon demons.

and they spend the rest of the movie battling demons with weapons that I'm not going to spoil it but they get real creative on the weapons. Yeah, that's another one of those New Zealand kind of horror comedy movies, kind of like what we do in the shadows, right? Yes, I give this one to eight, fully recommend it. It's on Netflix. Yeah, I'm going to check that out for sure. Yeah, I'll watch that. And the last rewatch I got was the Batman versus Superman, Ultimate. edition that just came out. Oh, boy.

Dude, what do you think about that movie, man? Everybody gave it so much shit. Yeah, I'm one of them. Yeah. I liked it. I was disappointed, though. Yeah. I went in expecting more.

I do feel like they did some good things to move on forward with their shared universe their building. Right. Yeah. But this, you know, this wasn't the home run that they, that they, that they, wanted. I think there was just too much shit going on, man. They had like 16 stories going at once. That's a good, that's a good point. Real good. The movie was so goddamn long, dude. If you're going to make something that long, you may as well have made it a TV series and done like a Game of Thrones thing.

Because everybody loves Game of Thrones, but if it came out as a three-hour movie, man, it would get shit on, I promise you. But I am hopeful on the future. I still think Wonder Woman was the best part of this movie. Yeah, I thought so too. That was a cool little storyline. From what I'm understanding, we'll probably be getting a trailer for Wonder Woman here soon. And

I'm interested in the Batman movie with Ben Affleck directing. He hasn't let us down yet. He's still going to be Batman, though, right? Yes. Yes. I'm down with that, man. I like Ben Affleck as Batman. I think he pulls it

off. Yeah, and James Juan doing Aquaman. I'm really interested to see how that one plays out. Yeah. So. The guy that plays Caldrogo. Yeah. Jason Mamoa.

Yes. Yeah. A very, very, very different Aquaman than what we've seen in the past. That's for sure. And I've heard, I've heard some good things coming from their film in Justice League. And I heard the Flash, the, the Flash is going to, from what I heard, he's going to pull the Quicks over from

X-Men. Steal the show. Oh, yeah? And do the slow-mo thing? Yeah, I heard he's pretty much from his performance. They said he'll probably be the one that steals the movie, gets, you know, the best scenes. Yeah, as long as they don't show him running in slow motion playing time in a bottle in the background, then I'll say that's a little, a little too on the nose. That was a cool scene in the X-Men.

That was a cool scene. Yeah. I like that one. I like the X-Men movies, though. Yeah. that's pretty much all I checked out. Man, you've been busy. Yeah, I kind of felt like the last

few shows I haven't really been checking out a lot. Well, I finally decided to go ahead and dive into Preacher. I've seen a total of four episodes now, and I'm loving it. Oh, yeah, man.

And you know, I can understand where people are coming from. A lot of folks are saying it's sort of a slow Byrne and it's like what you know when the hell is something going to happen but I totally fell off no I like I like I like the way they're doing that I have not read the the graphic novels full disclosure here but I'm I'm enjoying the show quite a bit I really like all the characters they've got I just think they have a lot of really talented people in there how how far did you get into it Philip um I you know I think I got I want to say I watched at least the third episode okay But I may not have been fully paying attention to it. Right. And then instead of going back and rewatching it, I just quit watching it. Well, the other thing that I watched this week, actually just watched it tonight,

was a little smaller budget masterpiece from 2011 called Killer Joe. Yes. I've never seen it. Yeah, Matthew McConae. It's directed by William Friedkin. What? Yeah, the same guy who actually directed the Exorcist and the French Connection. Really?

And, yeah, he's been a pretty solid director. Almost everything I've seen of his, I've really enjoyed watching. But now this one in particular, do you guys know what this is the movie's about? Yes, I've seen it. Philip, you haven't seen it, right? Uh-uh, I never heard of it. All right, so I'm going to tell you just enough to get you interested. to whet your appetite.

So McConaughey plays a Dallas police officer, who just happens to be a killer for hire. And Emil Hirsch plays a... Well, everybody in this movie's great. I mean, they just... Dude, how do I not know about this? I love Matthew McConaughey and Emil Hirsch. Yeah, I'll tell you what.

Emil Hirsch plays basically a dirt bag. Everyone in the movie's white trash. I mean, Thomas Hayden Church is in it. Juno Temple. Gina Gershahn. It's a great cast. But email Hirsch comes up with this crazy idea to have his mother killed by this

dude, Killer Joe, that's known to be able to get the job done relatively inexpensively and clean and get it over with. So anyway, he wants to cash in on mom's insurance policy. He's gotten himself into a little bit of trouble with some organized criminals there. And yeah, he owes him $6,000

and they have him convinced they're going to kill him for $6,000. So it's a $50,000 insurance policy. Killer Joe's only going to take 20, that leaves 30. So he's going to split it with his dad and his dad's new wife. And anyway, things don't go quite as planned, shall we say? Well, they did. It wouldn't have a movie. That's right. But if we're giving ratings tonight, this is a solid 9.

on 10. This was actually my favorite film of 2011. And yeah, it flew under the radar for a lot of people. So yeah, killer Joe, if you ever get a chance, I highly recommend it. What did you think about it, Brian? Yeah, I probably give it an eight and a half,

nine, somewhere around there. Wow. We get a, we get a very, very, very, very creepy McConaughey in this one. Oh yeah. I think it's, as a matter of fact, the reason that I decided to watch it tonight was, uh, I kind of wanted to get a preview of what to expect in the Dark Tower movie. Yes, which I've heard is Dave wrapped filming on that one.

Man, they're really moving ahead, aren't they? Yes, they are. Cool. All right, guys, so as with every show, it's time to take a little trip to the trailer part. We take a look at the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about tonight? Okay, the first one we're going to talk about is Shelley. Shelly.

Not known much about this. It's very intriguing. It's about a, I guess a couple cannot have a baby, so they choose, or they ask this lady to basically carry the baby for them. Okay. And a lot of stuff, creepy things start to happen to the woman physically. It's kind of got me intrigued to find out, you know, what's really going on. It's like super rosemary's baby. Matter of fact, I think in the trailer it said,

Rosemary's Baby meets David Fincher. Oh, man. I think it was Rosemary's Baby meets David Lynch. Oh, David Lynch. Okay, I'm sorry. I think so, yeah. And I don't know. I mean, it looked pretty interesting.

I mean, I'm definitely curious to see what it's going to be about. I certainly didn't recognize anyone that I saw in the trailer. I believe this is a Danish horror. film. Okay. So I don't, yeah, I also, I don't recognize anybody. I'm looking at the cast and I've not heard of anybody. So are there subtitles or is it, uh, in English? I think it's in full English. Okay. Yeah, it's in English. It's got a Danish feel to it. I say as if I knew what that meant. Yeah. From what I've seen, this movie's already been released in, uh, Denmark and Berlin. So I, I, I, I don't know when it's going to get a release date here in the United States.

Yeah, I'll check it out. What do you think, Philip? Yeah, I mean, it's hard to give that one one way or the other. You know, I saw the preview and it was like, you know, I'd watch it if it was on Netflix or something. I probably wouldn't, like, go to the theaters. Yeah, same here. I would agree with that. I mean, like I said, I'm kind of intrigued.

It looks like it has some creepy elements. But, you know, I just don't really recognize the director. or don't recognize any of the actors. And it seemed like there was a lot of imagery on the trailer that was just kind of flashed at you really fast. Yeah, they didn't really want to give anything away. Seemed that way. It was really dark.

The whole thing was really dark. I couldn't see anything. I had to like stress. Right. I think one that everybody's kind of looking forward to Ash versus Evil Dead season two. Yes. I think you're correct.

That was maybe the greatest. two and a half minutes of my life. That was so fucking cool. And I cannot believe I haven't seen this show yet. It makes me mad. That is on the tip top of my list. I'm probably going to go watch it after this. Yes, you got to get on it.

The one thing that had me worried during season one was I didn't know if they were going to be able to continue this. But watching this trailer changed my mind. Oh, yeah. It looked like Army of Dark. darkness, you know. Little bits and pieces from it. And if they moved Army of Darkness into now, that's what it would be. It looks super cool.

Right. Makes sense. What did you guys think about that beginning part where he's partying it up? And that chainsaw comes in pretty handy at the keg party, huh? Yes, it does. You talk about a conversation piece. That's right. Yeah, Philip, you really should check this out as soon as you can.

season two is coming out in October. I'll have the first season killed as soon as I get a day off. Yeah, man, it's only 30 minute, 30 minute episodes. So what is it? 13, Brian, or do you remember? 10, 13? It might be 10.

10.30. Yeah. Oh, man, I thought if it was on stars or whatever, then it would be longer. Yeah, it's only a half hour a throw, man. And I think pretty, I'm pretty sure that Brian's right That it's 10

Sounds about right So yeah dude You can get through that in an afternoon You know Yeah easy Well I'll do it I'll let you know the next time we talk I had made a little change

To our trailers here The one that I took off the list We can go ahead and talk about it If you guys have seen it I ain't interested in this movie The Girl on the Train Yeah well it's not like really Horror-y

Yeah I've I picked this one originally because I had heard it was more like Gone Girl. Yes, I heard that the book had that vibe to it. I believe Ammon over at a binge cast. Right. Had talked about the book one time and it kind of had me intrigued. Yeah, I know, I think Jim Law had talked about it as well.

And the books, from what I understand, the casting is horrible because the, yeah, the protagonist in the book is apparently a really overweight, homely lady. And, you know, of course, they get these really gorgeous stars to portray everybody in the trailer. My wife will like it. It's one of the, it's the one out of 100 horror movies per year she'll actually watch with me. Because it kind of had, it kind of had that 50 shades of gray feel to it. You know what? You just read my mind.

I kind of felt like I was, if they took a little, a couple elements out of Gone Girl. Right. And then some elements out of the 50 shades of gray trailer and put them together. Yeah. That's what it kind of, and it just kind of, I didn't, I don't want to watch it. I had the, uh, I felt like, uh, do you remember that movie unfaithful? I don't know. Who was in?

You know what, dude? I couldn't even tell you who was in it. So I probably shouldn't even brought it up. But, but it was, I mean, it was a pretty decent movie. Y'all talk about something. Give me a minute. I'll look it up. Hey Lance watching the trailer are you are you interested in this movie?

Personally no but I think AJ would enjoy it and there's there's very few movies that we watch together because doing this horror podcast and my wife being an absolute chicken shit it's not a real good combination for that So yeah I think I'll end up watching the movie for sure I'd really I'd really like to read the book I just don't have time to read as much these days as I like to have, you know? Yeah. As far as my wife, she probably won't watch it.

She didn't really care for Gone Girl. Right. And she refuses to watch 50 Shades of Grey. Man, you've got the one, huh? Yeah. She doesn't care to read the book, the movie, nothing. Wow. Well, it got too much buzz, and now people start hating on it.

Yeah. Yeah. Who needs the movie behind it when you can actually. it out at home, you know? True, true. Get your wife to read the book, I'm telling you. I'm just, just do it. Okay, unfaithful had Richard Deer at Diane Lane.

Right? Okay. Yeah, it's been a while since I've seen that. Yeah, I mean, it came out in 2002, but it was like one of those super sexy cheating thriller things. And I think we'll just move on from that one. It doesn't sound like anybody's really interested in that one. No.

All right. Yeah, we had a whole little. conversation about it that didn't really mean anything did we? Consider it. Yeah, gonna quickly move on to a bonus trailer that just dropped right before we started recording is sequel to the Blair Witch.

Now, wait a minute. I thought you said the Woods, and if I remember correctly, we did The Woods a couple weeks ago. Yes. Blair Witch. What the fuck was the second one? I don't know. It was stupid. This, I guess we'll just forget about the seek the original sequel to the Blair witch

this one is supposed to be the true sequel oh they just didn't even count it it yeah um this uh like like Lance said we had a rebued this trailer a while back called the Woods from Adam Wingard but it was really uh secretly they were secretly filming uh the sequel to the

Blair Witch so no shit yeah like I was telling you guys Wingard's one of my favorite current horror director Yes, I've enjoyed everything he's done so far. You know what? The Blair Witch was another one that had a whole lot of buzz behind it. Right.

So there were a lot of people that hated on it. But I thought that that movie was super scary when it came out. Man, it brought a whole new genre into horror movies. Yeah, this one's still scheduled to be released in September, September 16th. I'm definitely going. Oh, for sure. I enjoyed the first one. I heard basically Adam Wingard is doing a Blair Witch movie.

I'm sold. Now, is it going to be found footage? From the trailer, it looks like there is a little bit of found footage. Okay. But I don't think throughout the movie it is. Yeah, I don't think I got really that impression. But, okay, so when we watched the trailer the first time, what did all three of us say? What the fuck is going on here?

They're making a big deal out of this movie. and it looks fucking stupid. Yep. And now that they finally were like, hey, yeah, it's a Blair Witch sequel. We're like, oh, okay, I can see that. That's kind of cool.

Right now, now we know. Because that was my thought too, man. Yeah, I was, I'm telling me in. I get really excited when they, when they film these movies and they kind of give it like a secret code name. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And just like a movie I forgot to talk about

in highlights. I've seen this week. I just now remember it thinking about this 10 Cloverfield Lane. That's the one I was thinking of, for sure. Yeah, this was filmed under a different name. I forgot the name, but it had nothing to do with Cloverfield. Right. And so they were able to film it without anything getting out.

Yeah, it's called like the basement or something like that. Yeah, something like that. Which, quick rating on that one. I give that a seven and a half. Man, you've had a good week. Yes. Yeah, because, and I still get people that are like, is that the sequel?

Is that Cloverfield? And I'm like, oh, yeah, kind of. But it's sort of its own standalone movie. Yeah, it's a standalone movie, but it's happening in the same. Right, in the Cloverfield world. My understanding, well, I think it's a different timeline, but my understanding, Brian, is that you don't really know, there's nothing to give it away that they're tied together

until, like, the final 30 seconds of the movie. Yes. Is that correct? Actually, I would say like the last five, ten minutes of the movie, actually. All right, cool. I go check it out. When you see what I'm talking about, you kind of put the pieces together. But back to the Blair Witch.

Yeah, I like how they kept this under wraps and actually released the trailer as a different movie. They just took all the necessary scenes out that you wouldn't think it was a witch movie or Blair Witch movie. When is it supposed to come out? September 16th. All right, we'll be there, guys. Then they didn't pull this little stunt too early. So I think that was smart on their part. Yeah, leave it up to Comic-Con weekend, huh?

Yep. Speaking of Comic-Con weekend, something tells me we may have one or two headlines this week. I'm trying to get as much horror stuff as I can from Comic-Con. We'll probably in the next few weeks, we'll probably get more news. but you guys ever check out Bates Motel the TV show?

Yeah, I watched the first couple of seasons of it. It wasn't bad. I was kind of wondering how in the hell they were going to

keep going on. Well, you check it out, Lance? I saw the first episode and I threw in the towel, man. That's a slow burner too.

Yes, definitely. I enjoy it. I agree with Philip. It's a slow burn. Right. It was announced, I believe today,

that next season will be the final season, and they've just casted Rihanna to play... Yes, to play I believe, what was her name in Psycho? Marion Page, the iconic guest from Psycho.

Sure. Okay. So... I really think that they should stop giving Rihanna movie roles. I don't agree with that at all. You didn't enjoy her in Battleship? it's one of my favorite movies ever fuck you man

thanks for reminding me okay people with kids will understand are at home that's that animated movie with the little alien the guy from horrible horrible I had that guy Sheldon from

what's the show oh Big Bang Theory Big Bang Theory yeah well but the whole fucking movie was the same character that sheldon plays and then at like a preview for riana's album that was it yeah this seems just like they're trying they're trying to get uh viewers yeah it's an iconic character from psycho right so yeah put some buzz behind it you kind of got to get somebody famous to play that part i suppose yeah so uh next season will be the final season so if anybody wants if anybody's still watching it uh or if they're not caught up

get caught up because uh that'll be it after that so how many seasons did that show run brian uh next season will be the fifth wow not not too bad with it i um i think i'm in the middle of season three yeah see i kind of stopped there around there yeah like like you said earlier it's a slow burn so i just kind of you know when i get a chance i put it on it's not something you can kind of just binge through yeah and it's like a i mean how much drama can happen in this one little bity-ass community i mean he was serial killer but not like fucking ted bundy style where he killed everybody you know right yeah i think i think that's where it kind of takes me out of the show because they try to make the the town you know full of like wacky people right and there is it's totally full of wacky people right and

there is it's totally full wacky people i'm like well i understand why this dude's killing everybody but it's just it's just times when i'm just like you know i want more of norman baits in the motel but then you know we're dealing with like the the organized crime that's going on in the city in the town and corrupt cops and kind of sometimes feel like it's you know a different show than what it's supposed to be oh yeah absolutely he's got like his pretty boy brother he's got some shit going Yeah, that guy But yeah, I mean

I'm gonna get caught up, you know Right I would like to see how they How they do this I'm assuming the shower scene from Psycho It's cool how they roll it into that movie though Like to actually run all the way into Psycho Instead of just being a

Complete prequel And I believe He's his name's I'm forgetting his name the one that plays Norman Bates, I guess he will be directing a couple episodes next season two. He's going to be moving to directing.

I think he's a little bit older than that. Freddie, Freddy, I can't think of his name. But from what I've read, a few of the cast members are going to be directing some episodes in the final season. Right. Moving on to our next

Comic-Con news, you guys check out any of the trailers for any of the Marvel TV. shows. Yeah, they dropped a trailer for Luke Cage. I don't know if you guys have checked out Jessica Jones. Oh yeah, I loved it. Yeah, I'm very, I'm very interested in the Luke Cage series. Yeah, me too. I like what I saw in the trailer. And they also... Random mass Marvel characters. Yeah, but it works for Netflix because they're like street level, street level heroes. Yeah. And they also, a couple of the teasers they drop.

was one for Iron Fist and then another one was for the Defenders which will be Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, and Daredevil and possibly the Punisher, all in one series. Yeah, you told the Punisher in the mix

and now we're talking. That Punisher character was so well received that they, my understanding is they didn't intend to actually have his, have him have his own series but because of the popularity they said hey there's no way we can't do this you know yeah what was the actor john bernthol

john bernthel from uh the walking dead first couple of seasons of that he was excellent in that in that series he was made for that role yeah you've you've seen all those right philip yeah yeah well i haven't seen where i haven't seen the daredevil stuff with the punisher and all that no i haven't actually seen any of that i know i mean like i know about it but i haven't actually seen it i started watching daredevil and I haven't got all the way through it. There's too much stuff to watch, man. I can't argue with you on that. Yeah. But I will say as far as like the Marvel Netflix shows, they've got the best villains out of the whole shared universe that they're doing. Sounds like they've got the best stories.

Yeah. Because, I mean, as far as the movies go, which the TV, the Netflix shows and the movies are connected. As far as the movies go, I mean, Loki and who else, I mean, really. Right. Yeah, I, yeah. I'm not a huge fan of the Marvel movies. There's just, you know, in my opinion, they're just too big budget. They're, you know, a lot of sizzle, not so much substance, maybe.

That's just my opinion. And then the DC stuff on CW, I was really enjoying it. But then when they decided to go with two, three, and now four series where you got to watch all four of them to keep up with the storylines, I'm like, you know. You know what? About those, you know what it is for me? I mean, I'm still watching and I enjoy it. But their seasons are too long. No, oh, shit.

23 episodes per season, and they got, like you said, like four shows now. Right. That's a lot of watching. Yeah, no, I think the Netflix Marvel stuff guys is spot on. I think that's the way to do it. Another teaser they dropped. We had talked about the rumors of Ghost Rider being on Agents for Shield. I saw that teaser, man.

man. Yeah, it's confirmed. They also just revealed his car at Comic Con. He's not agents of shield. Is he supposed to get a spin-off? I think he's just, he might be just a recurring character on the show. Man, I wish

they would get a ghost writer series going and do it right. It sounds scary because, you know, Nick Cage fucked that whole thing up. Those are two of the, I like everything, and those are two of the most awful movies I've ever seen in my life. I kind of like the second one.

I kind of like to throw it in a fire. Yeah. I like the second one because it's like they let Nick Cage just be wacky. Nick Cage. Yeah. Yeah, I won't comment too much on that. I like the first one a little bit. I thought the second one was way off base.

But now that you mentioned, I mean, that sometimes it is kind of fun. to sit back and watch Nick Cage do his thing, you know? Is that Ghost Rider? I don't know. He thinks he is. Let's just go with it. Ghost Rider. I'm Ghost Rider, and I'm just crazy.

Yeah, they haven't said an actor playing him, but I know his name's not coming to me from Walking Dead. Daryl. Oh, yeah? Norman Reis. He's expressed wanting to play him. You may as well just call it right now. That's a spin-off.

I'm telling you. But I don't know if he would work on a network show, though, because he wanted to do Ghost Rider as a Netflix series. Right. And a couple more trailers for TV shows that dropped at Comic Con was one for the second half of season two for Fear of the Walking Dead. Yeah, I kind of, I don't know if you guys have checked this one out. I'm not caught up with Fear of the Walking Dead, so I didn't watch the trailer for the second half of the season. Well, I'm the target audience for this trailer. Okay.

Yeah, because I'm all caught up and I'm really enjoying the show. Yeah. And, yeah, this angle, did you see the trailer at all, Philip? No, I haven't seen it. So this is The Walking Dead and Tijuana. Okay. Yeah, the Walking Dead in Mexico. I like that angle.

I mean, I think it's pretty cool to expand the universe out and show you what's going on in different places around the world. Yeah. So is it like a party all the time? You know what's really cool about it is that I got a real serious Robert Rodriguez vibe from it, like a Dust Till Dawn vibe. And yeah, you had a lot of like bandito type characters that were sort of like, I mean, it was like this type of situation, they were ready for it because they were people who were hardened already.

And so they're thriving in this at this point. So it's going to be kind of interesting. It's not really like what you see with Rick and those characters. You know, where you got these little pockets of bad guys. Negan may be another story, but up till now you've had just little pockets of bad guys here and there. No, this seems like it's really organized, so there's going to be a very real human threat. You know, it's a little bit different from what we've seen on the regular Walking Dead show. But it's got the same characters, right?

Yeah, it does, and I'm looking forward to it. I'm really enjoying both series, guys. Like, I've watched it. I'm up to date on it. But, man, it doesn't pull me in like The Walking Dead does. like I'm still not 100% sold on it. I'm kind of just watching it on autopilot. Yeah, speaking of the Walking Dead, they just dropped the trailer for the new season.

Didn't reveal much. I heard about that. A couple of new characters, which I don't, you guys are reading the comic books or you have read the comic books? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm way ahead of everything that they showed in this trailer for sure. Okay. Tell me a little bit about. about King Ezekiel.

Well, that's a character who basically runs one of these little villages. It's called The Kingdom. Yeah. And you noticed toward the end, you guys are caught up on Walking Dead? Pretty much. Okay. You notice toward the end, the guys that were on horseback basically wearing put-together armor that they put on. Oh, right.

Yeah, I heard him talking about that. That's the kingdom. It's kind of like a medieval type of arrangement. and he's actually the king. And you kind of noticed he had a little pet there that he likes to keep by him. Yeah, Shiva the Tiger. He's a really interesting character. So you guys are going to enjoy this season, I think.

Okay. Cool. So the release dates on those is, Fear the Walking Dead is August 21st, and the new season of Walking Dead is October 23rd. Awesome. Can't wait. And one more small news item.

We really don't really need to talk a lot about it because none of us got a chance to see the movie. Lights Out came out today and they're already talking about a sequel. Oh, shit. Because from what I understand, there's a lot of good buzz behind this movie. I still want to see it, man. The preview looked creepy as shit. Everybody's like, no, that's stupid. I'm like, that looks scary.

So we'll probably revisit this after we get to watch it. All right, cool. I'm sure. I'm sure one of us will. That is all the news I have for this show. All right, cool. So you guys ready to go where no one's gone before? Yes, sir.

All right, so we'll move on to tonight's featured attraction of Star Trek Beyond. And then we're going to get stranded again, or fall from the sky again, as it were, with the 1985's Enemy Mine. So, as always, we'll start with trivia. The new movie first, which is Star Trek Beyond. He's directed by Justin Lynn. He is known for Better Luck Tomorrow, the Fast and the Furious franchise,

and a few episodes of HBO's True Detective. The script was written by Simon Pegg. Everybody knows him. He's known primarily for his acting, but actually when I was looking up his credits, guys, he has a really impressive body of film writing already under his belt. Were you guys aware of this?

Yes, I was. You know what? Comedy guy. I wasn't at all, and he had actually co-written all of the Cornetto trilogy movies with Edgar Wright, and he actually wrote the screenplay for Run, Fat Boy Run,

and also Paul. He shared writing credits with Doug Jung, who's done a lot of TV work. Phillip, what do you know about Peg's writing? Oh man, I knew that he was, he played a big part in like directing all of the movies that he's been in. But I mean, those are mostly like comedy things. Right, a lot of comedy.

No idea. Yeah, I had no idea he was a writer on Star Trek. Yeah, it's kind of interesting, man. It opened my eyes when I read that. But we'll definitely talk about the comedy angle quite a bit later, I'm sure. in August 2014 this was announced that Paramount Pictures had pushed back

the film's release in time for the 50th anniversary so they wanted to coincide it with Star Trek 50 which is this year and it's like basically the 50th anniversary of the premiere of the original series this film takes place three years after Star Trek into darkness so they're on their third year into the five-year mission

Justin Lynn took the directing job of the third film and he beat out some pretty big names. Speaking of Edgar Wright, he was actually in the running for this. So he didn't get that man, he didn't get this. Kind of makes you wonder what he's got coming up. They also considered Rupert Wyatt, Morton Tildum, Daniel Espinoza,

and Mr. Warcraft himself, Duncan Jones. He probably wishes he'd pick this one instead. I would imagine Simon Pegg identified the space station as Star Base Yorktown Yorktown was the original name of the starship in Gene Roddenberry's early script

treatments for the original Star Trek series before the name was changed to Enterprise so that's where that came from and Philip you didn't check this one out yet right? No I didn't get a chance to watch it man and I'm super pissed off about that because I really wanted to see this movie Well, lucky for you.

We are a non-spoiler podcast when it comes to the new release, so we will be gentle with you. Yeah, I think we probably both have a lot to say about this one. Brian, what did you think, my friend? I love this movie. I think this is, as far as the new movies, this is the most Star Trek-Strecky movie that we've gotten. If Simon Pegg is writing these movies, I want him to write more. I want him to do the next one and the next one after that. The casting is spot on.

I love Carl Urban as Bones. Couldn't agree with you more. He might have been one of my favorite parts of this movie. From watching the first trailer when they played the Beastie Boys song, it kind of had me a little worried, especially with Justin Lynn. Right. On the movie,

I didn't know if this was going to be a sci-fi movie. I thought it was going to be an action movie. Yeah, more action-packed. Well, it was. It absolutely was. It was action-packed, but it was definitely a sci-fi movie. No doubt. Like I said, I love this movie.

How else do you do it, man? That's a pretty good combination. Lance, how did you feel about this movie? This movie, to me, was the way I would describe it as the best of both worlds. And that's going back to it. That's referencing a, Next Generation double episode, by the way. But, yeah, this was like proving that you absolutely...

This movie, I think, should prove to all the Star Trek geeks out there, the purest, that it is possible to combine a serious action movie that's designed for the masses to watch and enjoy, along with a nice cerebral Star Trek philosophy, you know, film that tells you exactly what Roddenberry's original vision was and it sticks to it. You basically got a beautiful film as far as special effects. You've got all kinds of action. You've got literally a roller coaster ride of a movie from start to finish. I don't think there was a dull moment in this thing.

I could have gone back into the theater and watched this thing twice more without having any problem. Absolutely. Lance, I know you're a big Treki. Were you a fan of the rest of the newer movies in the series? Oh, yeah. I mean, I have to be. I think that the first one was great because it really spoke to the fans quite a bit. Some might call that pandering, but I really enjoyed it.

The second one was good. I thought it was a little bit heavy-handed with trying to stick too much to the Rath of Khan movie storyline. Right. But yeah, I would agree this is easily the best of the three. Again, the marriage of, and you got to understand, you know, they're in business to make money on these movies. So they definitely want the maximum number of people possible to enjoy it and get it. So they did really good with putting the action in there, but I think that they were able to pull off the prime directive

and the philosophy of infinite diversity and infinite combinations and inclusion, acceptance of other cultures and acceptance of other races, really stick to Roddenberry's vision on this and not lose side of that. And I think it was really brilliant the way they put all that stuff together and everything came out, I think, working perfectly. The acting, as Brian mentioned, was, as you said, Brian's spot on. There's no other way to put it. To me, the standout in this particular film,

the guy who had not quite sold me up until this one was Chris Pine. And in this movie, Chris Pine. Pine has absolutely become James T. Kirk. There was a scene early on in the movie and it involved fans of the original series every other episode

Captain Kirk was having his shirt ripped to kind of show off his abs and his chest and everything. There's a scene really, really early on this that harkens back to that in a very funny way. That's another thing about the

script writing here, the screenwriting. I think with the fact that you've got a primarily, you know, comedy writer doing half the writing, doing half the heavy lifting on this thing. I mean, the comedy in this thing was brilliant. Wouldn't you agree, Ryan? Absolutely. I mean, we get comedy from, see, this is really hard not to spoil it. We get comedy from characters, you know, we wouldn't expect it. And it worked.

And it worked. And it worked. My theater, you know. my theater was laughing out loud. Yeah, it never got silly and it never got to be stupid comedy. It was always extremely clever. And it was tied...

But you have to have comic relief. Well, and it was... And the jokes were tied perfectly to the character that was delivering them, you know? Yes. And they were, I think anyone who went into a film like this that doesn't know anything about Star Trek is going to have a hell of a good time.

But I think if you have the background, there's going to be so much more, it that you're going to get that that it's just going to add a lot a lot more even to it than that my mom is as much of a trekkey as you are i'm probably more of a star wars person but i have seen all the star track series and and have watched every episode and uh and every movie some of it i don't quite remember the stuff that i do i feel like this new series hits on it a lot better you know than like the next generation movies that they had before. Yeah, it's very well done, and they,

we're not going to go into any spoilers, as we love to say around here, right, Brian? Yeah. It seems like we have to say that every five minutes. The new characters crawl, the villain, easily, easily, one of the top, and I've only seen this movie once, but I've seen every single,

just like you, Philip, I've seen every single episode of every show ever and every film as well. I have no problem saying Crawl is one of the top three track villains of all time. But he's totally new though, right?

He's not like a throwback. Totally new. Totally new. Never seen before in any of the prior series. Yeah, Idris Alba did a fantastic job. If you didn't know, if they left his name out of the credits, you wouldn't even know that was him.

I'm going to tell you this. I'm going to say this right now. If he's not nominated for at least some kind of Academy Award, at least supporting actor, it's going to be criminal. You think they're going to throw a Star Trek movie in the... You know what, Philip, that was my first thought,

but then the more I looked back and thought about it, I think we're ready for it. I really do. I mean, this, yeah, if you could see some of the changes that he went through in his expressiveness and the way that he spoke and how he carried himself and the changes that came about in his character because Brian's safe to say his character changed quite a bit from the beginning toward the end of the movie.

A lot of different things happened to him. Absolutely. And wouldn't you say he pulled it all off? Yep. Like I said, fantastic job. I'm seeing it this weekend, man. Also, a fantastic job from Sophia Bottella. You're talking about Jaila?

Jail. Oh, man. Wow. You know, people, if you don't recognize her, she was in Kingsman, the girl with the legs, the razor legs. Yeah. And she is in a movie we had talked about before upcoming The Mummy, where she's playing The Mummy. I am really digging her in every movie I've seen so far. So you know what makes me feel good?

I'll tell you what fills me with some hope for the future for, you know, our kids and our grandkids and you know, et cetera. So you've got Sophia Betella playing this part, a very powerful, you know, strong, empowered woman. That was this year. You had Ray in Star Wars

come out toward the end of last year. And you guys said it yourself. The best part of Batman v. Superman was Wonder Woman. Absolutely. So I really like this, you know, concept of female empowerment and

equality that's that's coming out in films lately i really think i really think that it's that it's a good thing man because you know i've got two granddaughters six and eleven years old and i want them to feel like they can do anything they want to do you know oh absolutely my um my 16 year old uh she's currently away in military academy um she's made the she's made the decision to go to the air force as soon as she's old enough awesome and you know i always tell her you know what whatever you choose to do, you know, you can do it, you know. And I fully agree with what you're saying with, you know, these empowered female characters in these movies. You know, I love it.

You never would have seen that in the 60s Star Trek. Okay, well, that leads me to another question. I'd heard some rumors about they were going to make Sulu gay, like obviously gay, in the movie. Is that this movie or is they talking about upcoming stuff? That's the next point right there. Brian, you want to cover that one? Yeah, this is not really a spoiler. It's been confirmed.

He is gay in this movie. It's not outright that they show it, but you see the minor spoiler. You see that he is gay. Yeah, that's not a spoiler. That's been in the news for two weeks. Yeah, well, I don't want to give away the scene and how it played out, but you understand that his character is gay. Sure. Everybody got all up in arms about that.

man what is it's star tax about yeah it was more so I believe it was more so um oh you're spacing I'm spacing on names today you talk you're talking about the

original actor George Takai yeah George Taka yeah he was against it how do you say that I think it's Tukai well it's Japanese and none of us are Japanese so we get a pass on this one

I agree he came out and he was against it really because yeah because he felt like they were doing it because he he was gay in real life but he was saying my character's not and that's not how my character was

written. Right. And I mean it doesn't bother me. No, not at all. I think it's over it's overdue. I mean I think that's kind of if you if aside from trying to take notes from the original and and keeping everything exactly

the same way so I see where people get are upset about that part but like I said isn't this the whole point of Star Trek? Absolutely, man. The diversity and the accepting of others.

Yep, no matter who they are. Infinite diversity and infinite combinations. That was originally a Vulcan concept. And the United Federation of Planets has basically adopted that as their tagline. Yeah, and they were doing that in the 70s, man. And, you know, it doesn't

change the character for me. Not at all. You know, especially in these newer movies, Sulu's a badass in these newer movies. I think that's the only way they could have done it. If it changed the character, then it would be bad. And we get a little bit, we get a little bit of more check-off in this movie,

which was very interesting because I had noticed watching the trailers. He is, I don't think he's in any of the trailers. That's interesting. Well, you kind of forget he's in the movies. I mean, he's kind of a backup character. Sure. Well, he always was kind of, because they have what, like basically seven major characters.

You know, you've got the Trinity of, you know, bones, Spock, and Kirk, of course. And then you got what, Uhura, Sulu, Chekhov, and who am I missing here? Scotty. Scotty. Scotty. There you go.

So, I mean, he was always like the sixth or seventh wheel anyway. But, yeah. Yeah, I noticed that too, Brian. I wonder if any of that was done in post-production to try to give him a little more, a little bit more respect. Yeah, and from what I'm understanding, they're not going to replace the character since Anton died. So I don't know if they're not going to have him in further movies, but they had said that they are not replacing him to honor him. Let me ask you this.

How would you feel if they did do another Star Trek movie with this crew? But instead of having him on board, they had Jaila on there. I think that's where they might go. I think that'd be badass, dude. I really hope this is not her only time in a Star Trek movie. Right. I hope it's not a one and done. Well, it remains to be seen, you know?

Yeah, I want her, I want to see her part of the crew in the next movie. Well, one thing that happened early in the film, and I think that it's been in all the previews and been talked about and everything. But, you know, obviously, you know, the basic premise is that they respond to a stress call and they're surrounded by uh what i i i refer to them as a hive i think someone called them bees or something like that all the the small uh ships that had like uh i think they were manned by two people each what did you think about the effects on that it was amazing i i mean this i'm gonna say it again i don't want to give any spoilers but watching it on the screen was amazing

their their whole attack on everything right i'm really choosing my words carefully. I really dug this movie. You just hit in 3D or like what should we do here? Um, I saw a regular. I don't really go 3D. So I don't know. Lance, did you see it in 3D? Yeah, I'm, I typically avoid the 3D films. But I think, uh, I think I am going to go rewatch this one in 3D this week. You think it'll be better than 3D or standard? I don't know. I could definitely see where the 3D would be pretty awesome on it, no doubt. Yeah. Now that, now that we're talking about how.

how the, as you put at the hive. Right. How they were flying around. I can see how that would look pretty cool in 3D. Yeah, I sort of steer clear from them too, but I mean, on some movies, hey, 3D is pretty cool. Yeah. For example, Avatar. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, if it's immersive like that. I try to avoid 3D guys because it gets kind of gimmicky sometimes. Yeah, exactly. If it's immersive like that, which you can tell from. watching this one Brian it definitely would be right yeah absolutely yeah like I had said earlier the casting is just I think it's spot on with everybody oh no doubt everybody's coming into their own it was it was almost like watching the original uh cast really it was kind of eerie but I like

but I'm gonna still say Carl Urban is my favorite in this he I think he has Leonard McCoy down perfectly no no kidding man I think I think he's channeling him somehow you know But let me ask you this about the bees, as they called them, or the hive as I call it. Brian, did you find any similarities to the Borg? I'm not really familiar with that part of Star Trek, so. Okay. Well, there are really answer that. Borg is primarily a next generation villain.

And basically what they do is they go and absorb whatever they come in contact with and make it into like a collective mind. for a badass enemy man yeah now that you're explaining it it probably it could be a shout out to that want to get into ratings or well I you know what guys I would say that my takeaway on this

is that again I mean it's like who says you can't have a badass action movie and also have it be cerebral and appeal to the to the geeks you know yeah oh I did want to mention one other thing real quick

the space station the special effects with that and the way they had all that set up. I don't know about you, man, but I was blown away by that. The special effects throughout the movie was amazing. Yeah, and they actually spent like 50 million less on this one than the second one. Can you believe that?

No, not really, because I kind of felt like, usually I'm not really too big on movies with a lot of CG, but it was done very well in this movie. I couldn't tell where any CG was, to be honest with you. I'm so pissed off. I didn't see this fucking movie, man. So Lance, what's your rating on this one? Oh, rating, man.

This is an easy 9 on 10. I mean, it had all the elements I was looking for. I could see, this is going to be in my top 2 or 3 for the year, for sure. So far, it's my favorite film of the year. How about you? I'm also going to give it a 9. I was blown away by this movie. A little underwhelmed from the second Star Trek Into Darkness.

I think a lot of people were. I was more so. The only reason I was underwhelmed is because so, much got out about the con character. Mm-hmm. How it's not supposed to be con, but clearly, you know, it was. Sure. Yeah.

But, I mean, I enjoyed the movie. Don't get me wrong. But yeah, this by far is my favorite one out of the three. And I'm going to give it a nine, nine out of ten. I'm just, I was just going to say, you know, I'm really excited for the future of this franchise. Good deal, man. I am, too. So since we're talking a lot tonight about rating films,

how would you rate the three films as far as numbers? The first one, I would probably give it an eight. I really enjoyed it. I really did. The second one, I didn't enjoy it as much, but I still liked it. I give that a seven, and of course, the new one, I give it a nine. All right, so we're real close. I would give the first one an eight, and I would give the second one, seven point five, and this one's the nine.

See, I think I'd probably give both the first two an eight and a half, man. I really, really enjoyed into darkness. All right. I watched that movie like three times, man. You know what? When we get done here, I'm going to pop it in. I'm going to check it out one more time. That's a cool, fucking movie.

Hey, and I think we need to, when we get done here, Philip, you need to go down and find a midnight show of this movie to watch right now. I'm telling you. I got to go to work early tomorrow, but I won't make it happen. Hey, you said the wife's asleep, right? Yeah, that's true. The kids are probably still up running around, but we'll figure that out. It's just going to take it back inside.

All right. So there you have it, folks. Check out Star Trek Beyond and check it out right now. It's my favorite film of the year so far. And would you go that far, Brian? I have to, you know, I can't wait until we do our, I guess, end of the year show. Right. Oh, yeah.

I think it's up there right now. It's got to be top two. Cool. All right. So now we're going to move on to our second feature of the 9th. which is 1985's Enemy Mine was directed by Wolfgang

Peterson, also known for Das Vute, Air Force 1, and the Perfect Storm. The writer was Ed Kamara known for Lady Hawk and Dragon the Bruce Lee story. How's that for a couple of completely different movies? It's random.

It's very diverse. According to Lewis Gossett Jr., the Drak language was created from scratch. Much of it is actually Russian pronounced in reverse. The film's original budget was only $17 million at the start of the production when Richard Lankrain was the director and production was originally supposed to be done in Iceland.

When he got fired from the project and new director Wolfgang Peterson took over the film, the final budget including Lankran scrap footage ballooned over $40 million. In 1985, a lot of money went into this. David Lynch was one of the directors considered. You guys ever heard that? No. Also, Terry Gilliam was offered the chance to direct but turned it down,

preferring instead to develop his own project, which would eventually become Brazil. So you guys familiar with Terry Gilliam's work at all? Yeah, a little bit. He was one of the original members of Monty Python's Flying Circus. Okay. Oh. Yeah.

Oh, that guy. Yeah, to say that his films are kind of like an acid trip is a bit of an understatement. Probably on acid when he made him. No doubt. So, yeah, that could have been interesting, but, you know, we'll talk about it and see if we think Wolfgang pulled it off. Philip, you want to start on this one? Yeah, you know, I'd actually never seen this movie before. Really?

So, I mean, yeah, I know it's like a classic and going back to watch the classics, you were like, enemy mine, and I was like, what the fuck is that? I've never even heard of it. Went back and watched it and it's super dated. It's kind of like going back and watching the old Star Trek episodes, you know? Sure. But when you get into it, it was a really kick-ass movie, man. I was really impressed about the, and the message.

It kind of like on Star Trek, it was a message of acceptance, you know, trying to racial tolerance and all that stuff and accepting of different cultures. and I think it was a cool movie and I actually really liked the I call the costumes and stuff when they did special effects back in the 80s I think they put a lot more effort into it you know what I mean

like they didn't have to do CGI stuff you think it was more of a labor of love in other words back then yeah and then I mean when you have a guy in a mask right and they make the mask look really kick ass I think that's way better than a computer ambi animated monster.

Brian and I would both agree. I thought it was pretty good. It took me a minute to get into it, but I really liked it. I got caught up in it. Yeah, enemy mine was a go-to movie for me for, you know, I guess the theatrical run, probably, I don't know, I'd say maybe within a month's time. I think I saw it at the theater three or four times. Yeah, I really enjoyed it a lot. Looking back on it, I can see what you're talking about with the, you know, the kind of dated special effects.

In fact, with some of the spaceships, I kind of got the Flash Gordon feel a little bit. Ah, yeah. It was, I mean, it's, at the end of the day, it's an awesome story. It's absolutely, positively, 100% a, a quote-unquote Star Trek storyline. Just like the points you made, Philip, are dead on, man. This is one of those movies that, even though there's a lot of stuff that happens before and after these two are on the planet, which I frankly hadn't remembered a lot of that until I rewatched it this week. And some of it's pretty damn good, where you can tell they put a lot of money into designing the spaceships and designing the costumes and everything and making it look realistic.

Yeah. But, I mean, come on, you know, everything you remember about this movie, everything you're going to take forward was between these two individuals. That's very much a Star Trek type story. the diversity and having to overcome that actually work together to survive and defeat common enemies is just one of those classic stories that I think transcends whatever time that the story's being said in and could be applied to us today just as much as it could, you know, 200 years ago, just as much as it could, 100 years in the future. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was happy to see that in this alternate timeline or whatever, the Houston Oilers still existed.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was good to know. That was good to know. But yeah, and I think as far as the acting, I don't understand how you could have gotten two better people for this part. What do you think, Brian? Yeah, you know, this is like one of my favorite movies when I was younger. And for the longest, I did not know that was Lewis Gosser Jr.

well how would you i mean yeah i mean i mean what else what else has he been in uh another movie from from my childhood that he was in uh like i believe it was called iron eagle i mean he's he's done a lot of movies you yeah you name it dude in the in the 80s and the 90s he's he plays a lot of military type roles yeah let me you guys go ahead somebody that i know but i couldn't i couldn't tell you who he was just off top of man yeah brian's gonna look up a couple of his highlights for you because we don't want to just gloss over it. He's had a really, really successful career. And he generally plays kind of like a hard ass and like a military guy.

Man, in all those classic movies like that, they have the real theatrical acting. Right. It really works, you know. I think if they put out something like that today, it would be considered super cheesy. But it goes back to the, you know, the Thespian roots. And I think that they like it may be overperforming a little like that. And I got that feeling from him a lot. Sure.

But man, it was still really good. They conveyed a lot of emotion. Yeah, speaking of his, like, Thespian Roots, the very first film he was in was a raising in the sun. And that's a, you know, it's a pretty well-known story right there. There you have it, man. Yeah, that's one of the classics. Like you said, he played a lot of military roles, an officer and a gentleman. Yes, yes.

Like I said, one of my. Like I said, one of my favorites as a kid, the Iron Eagle series. That was the one with the helicopter, right? Yes. Oh, yeah, okay. Was it helicopters or was it Air Force? I think it was in the later series. It started to be other stuff.

Okay. Yeah, just like with any good series, they would change it around a little bit. Oh, he was in a couple horrible movies, though. Oh, boy, John's 3-D, huh? Yeah, you. you already knew which one. Jaws 3. Well, yeah, a lot of military roles.

Is that one that got 0%? Well, I think that was Jaws the Revenge that got zero. I think this one got at least 10 or 12%. But, yeah, I did. Jackson got eaten by a shark. But, you know, growing up, this movie, I watched this movie a lot. You know, like you said, the message in the movie.

I believe somebody made a comment on one of our postings about this movie, space racism? Oh, yeah, that's right. I do remember seeing that. I just like the bond that they started to, you know, have with each other, especially when he was teaching him his culture. Oh, yeah. His version of the Bible and Dennis Quay was, you know, I've heard these words before.

And Lewis Gaza Jr.'s character was, yes, because, you know, the truth is the truth in any language, in any, you know, and I really, you know, I really dug that part of the movie, the whole, them discovering how, you know, similar they are, even though, you know, they're different, but they have similarities. Dare I say it would almost be like someone teaching another person the Quran? I'm not super familiar with the Quran, but... Well, it's kind of... The stuff that it actually says, then somebody's taking it wrong.

You know what? Yeah, for sure. And it seems like that it's one of these, you know, classic stories. And if you... My understanding, I'm with you, Philip, I haven't actually... read the works of you know the Quran or anything like that but my understanding is it's if if you were to read that and read the New Testament Bible they're they're basically telling you the exact same things turn your cheek be be good to other people no matter how they treat you and you know be peaceful and how that gets twisted is miscommunication and this movie is timeless it

kind of tells you, like I say, it's as true now as it was 200 years ago, 2,000 years ago, as the time that it takes place, which is 2092, some things are always going to be universal. And if you were to actually sit down and try to learn somebody else and understand where they're coming from and get to know them as a fellow, you know, living, sentient, intelligent thinking beings, then I think we could solve all our problems that way if people would just do it but god damn it we don't do it. They had a lot of time.

That's for sure. Was it three years? Yeah, 292 to 2095 as it said on the computer readout toward the end of the movie when they had that Deus X Machina. That was the only thing that kind of bothered me about this movie looking back on it

was it's kind of like he should have died, you know what I mean? Yeah. Any way you look at it? Came back. Well, and then, okay, so they had this gigantic set at the end with all this expensive, like, you know, all the railings that go up over the lava and all in the rocks and everything.

And I'm thinking, why is there not like a rail or something up there? I mean, they obviously spent a lot of money putting all that shit together. Yeah, kind of like the Star Wars thing. where you've always got these people fighting each other up on these big scaffolding and they don't have any rail, any safety rails or anything. O'SHA would be

having a heart attack, huh? Let's go to this like death obstacle course. Right. But hey, makes a good movie. You got to admit it was a lot of fun. Yeah, and the makeup was on point.

That's what I was saying. That was really good. It was very realistic. Yeah, for 1985. Yeah, right down to the, what was the son's name? Zammies. Yeah, I thought he kept saying like zombies or something like that. I kept thinking he was saying zombies, but I guess it was zombies or whatever. I think it was zombies.

You know, his makeup was pretty on point, too. Right. Well, but you know what? I think a lot of it had to do with the acting, because I think a lot of the body movements that Lewis Gossett made, especially early on in the movie, when the human Willis, all he was

thinking about was killing this son of a bitch that shot down his friends and killed his brothers, his brothers in arms, you know? And he's sneaking up on him and you guys noticed that he was Gossip Jr. was making like some really, you know, what we

would consider strange body movements and stuff like that, almost like lizard like or something. Yeah. The way he was positioned in his head and... Yeah. See, I think that's sold the makeup and whatnot quite a bit too because he really, he sort of went with it. You know what I'm

saying? He like actually became that character. No, but I mean, I thought like just strictly the makeup was good too. Very good. A quick recap in case you haven't seen the movie in, you know, 35 years or however long it's been out. Dennis Quaid is

a pilot and all the countries are finally unified and now they're fighting space battles against this alien race and these two end up crash landing on a on a planet together because he wants nothing more than just to kill these things because they are laying claim to this planet and they want it they become buddies because they're stranded together for three years and the lizard dude has a baby there's some transgender for you yeah now wait a minute hold on whoa whoa hold the phone now philip you said the lizard

dude has a baby. Explain that. Our listeners know what the fuck you're talking about. Well, he's like a frog man, right? And that's what he says. The humans haven't, y'all don't have it figured out. You've still got your sexes separated. Right.

That's, you'll always be alone or something like that. And, yeah, he's an ambidian guy. Yeah, he does make it a point in the movie to let, let Willis know that he is not a woman. They're a little bit of the comedy there, huh? Yeah, so the lizard dude has a baby, and then he dies in childbirth. That's a pretty efficient way to do it, huh? Yeah. Kind of out with the old and then with the new, huh?

And then the human raises the baby as his own, because he's still stuck on the planet with this thing, and it's the only thing left that he has from his friend. And then some other humans come down and start raiding the planet again. Yeah, I don't know if those guys so much hated the aliens is they just basically didn't give a fuck about anything but making a little bit of profit and having fun and fighting and drinking whiskey and whatever they were doing, right?

Yeah, they didn't seem to like anybody. Yeah, what was like? Because you seen when they recognized, when Willis came back and they seen his, the logo of the military thing. Right. Oh, yeah. They obviously didn't give a fuck about who he was with. Yeah, they refer to him as scavengers.

Yeah. I could see that. Scavengers, yeah. Yeah, I guess you can basically call them like space pirates or something like that. Yeah, that's a good description. But it's kind of the same way that he felt towards the aliens before he got stuck on a planet with one. Yeah, because if none of that would have happened, he probably wouldn't even look twice at a situation like that. Hey, what did you guys think about some of the inconsistencies?

To point out a few weaknesses here in the movie. for example, did you notice the guns looked exactly like late 20th century pistols and stuff like that? Yeah, I thought about that. I was like, why are they shooting bullets? Shouldn't they be shooting lasers and shit? Yeah, I didn't really notice until like, I guess, where they had the Drax as slaves. Right.

And they just had regular pistols and shotguns. I was like, this is not too futuristic. And it's good to know they still have... That stuff even work well in sports. Do what? Blow your arm off. So would that even work in space? You'd like blow your arm off or something.

Well, it's good to know they still have Greyhound buses in the future, right? If you guys catch that quote? Yeah. And do not do not refer to Mickey Mouse in any way but good.

Right. Apparently. Take offense to that. Hey, so did either you guys get the vibe I got that Dennis Quaid is kind of like a poor man's Harrison Ford A little bit

Seems to have a lot of the same mannerisms and whatnot Yeah well He does he does He like that's what I was talking about with the overacting man He does that and he does that in a lot of his roles He gets like real a little too into it Right but he's kind of cool for it Yeah he is cool man

Super cool Well I've said everything I want to say about the movie So did you guys have any more to say about it No I think we can uh We covered covered quite a bit yeah Philip don't have anything to say we can get into ratings alright so you guys ready to get into your ratings for 1985's enemy mine

yep uh philip man I guess so I might have to have you all go first I hadn't really thought about like a number rating hang on a second let me I'm gonna say five and a half five and a half alright so more yeah more good than bad that that's that's all yeah it was it was more good than bad And it was, it's really more just based on age.

I mean, it was, it was a good movie to watch. It's definitely worth watching. But it's not something I'm going to go like check out again. Was there anything that took you out of it? Um, just the, just the age of it, I think, you know? Like, it's, it's super dated. I mean, even though it was a, like, it had to be a really good movie for it to take me out of that super dated feel. So was there anything in particular that, you know, besides, you know, I mentioned the, the,

They're talking about the Houston Oilers and stuff like that. But was it like the special effects or what, I mean, what was it that kind of, you know, that kind of made your, major rating, you know, just barely kind of halfway? Well, I don't know. I guess it was just that I'd never seen it before. It may be a classic and it's, uh, it's not classic enough to be one of the big classics. You know what I mean? Sure.

It's, uh, you know, when you watch a movie from the late 70s, early 80s and it's got that color to it, you know. Everything is kind of exaggerated and it's it's got a real theatrical feel. The movie was super cheesy, you know? I mean, the story was there and the acting was there

for what it was. I mean, I can't say it's going to be one of my favorite movies, you know? Fair enough, man. It was good. I'm just, I'm probably not going to watch it again. Yeah, I mean, for my opinion, anytime you got over a five is a runaway success. Because as far as I'm concerned,

more movies, unfortunately, are bad than good. And if it's bad, I'm going to rate it really low. So five and a half, I mean, at least you enjoyed it more than you didn't enjoy it, you know? Oh, absolutely. That's not a negative five and a half. You know what I mean? It's a positive. Like, it did good.

How about you, Brian? I was going to give it a seven. But after really thinking about it, it's probably going to be more for nostalgia. Right. But really thinking about it besides the practical effect, like some of the stuff with the spaceships was really outdated. Yeah, the Flash Gordon look, right?

Yeah. So I'm going to bump it down to a six and a half. I really enjoyed mainly Lewis Gosser Jr.'s performance in this. Right. And I think there's a good message in this movie. Yeah. And I think if you haven't seen it,

you should at least check it out at least one time. Yes, absolutely. I'm a... Should what. Yeah, I'm gonna say six and a half. Cool, cool. All right, so we've got a five and a half, a six and a half, and I'm actually going to give it a seven and a half.

And that's primarily based on storyline and acting. As far as I'm concerned, the most important part of any film is the story, the script, the way that it's written. And I think it has a great message. And I think it still holds up. Definitely, there's no doubt about it. that some of the special effects took me out of it, some of the references took me out of it.

You know, this isn't your best screenwriter of all time, for sure. You know, because he was, I think he did make, he went out of his way to make way too many, you know, 20th century references to probably, you know, probably give the movie a better appeal to people that were going to the, you know, theater and, you know, paying four or five bucks or whatever just to see the movie with their kids or check something out just for fun. I'll tell you what, I love that football scene.

The football scene was a lot of fun, man, and I loved hearing Houston Oilers for a change, you know? Yeah. That was pretty cool. And they got to eat the football, too. Yeah, for sure. But yeah, I mean, I just really love the message. And I think the acting was really good.

If I had any complaints at all, like I said, it would be that, you know, that Deus Ex Machina ending there, where they just kind of just happened to be flying by and just happened to pick him up. And they even went so far as to have him actually ready to jettison him into space as a corpse. And then all of a sudden, you know, he jumps up and chokes the guy that's taking the shroud off of him or whatever. So that was pretty far-fetched. You don't test these guys?

What happened? Really quickly, how did he notice his necklace behind all that beard? That's a good point. too, yeah. Because he was like, he was like, wait, hold on, what is this? Hang on. I was like, what is what? This guy's beard.

Yeah. Philip, I thought you were growing a beard, dude. Yeah, that dude had a rocking beard going. Okay, so overall, yeah, it's not too bad. Five and a half, six and a half, and a seven and a half. So, enemy mind, 1985. I guess if our audience has a chance to go back and take a look at that, they may want to check. We have one from Kevin Ness of California,

and he sent us his favorite book to movie list. We've got trucks. Right. That was one of mine. That was maximum overdrive, guys. Oh, yeah. And then Children of the Corn. Oh, that was a good one.

Ah, yeah, I didn't think about that one. The Shining. Okay. I left that off my list, and on our next feedback, I'll explain why. Okay, yeah. We'll just move on and then we'll go back to him. We've got Jaws, and he says, even though it's not a horror movie,

even though it's not a horror movie, but I think that Jaws can still count as a horror movie. I mean, reviewed it on this show. It was pretty awesome. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Oh, number one, I don't even know how I didn't even catch that one. A Clockwork Orange. No shit.

My favorite film of all time. Oh, really? Absolutely. Wow. Yeah, Clockwork Orange is my favorite movie ever. that's uh if there is if there is a 10 out of 10 out there it's that one for me wow those are big words man sure what do you think brian uh it's it's pretty high up there i haven't seen it in a while

but uh 10 on 10 i don't know i'll have to check that check it out again all right it that's another one where if you've never watched it i mean you kind of have to watch that one it is it is kind of in there in that godfather group so uh also Patrick Lear from Kansas City, Missouri, asked why we didn't include the Shining in our list, which is what Kevin Nez included. Right. I think a lot of our focus was on best translation from book to film,

and we felt The Shining was kind of its own thing. Me personally, I didn't even think about The Shining when I was going through it. Okay. You know, definitely a big fan of the movie, though. Yeah, I purposely left it off my list. like I said, Clockwork Orange favorite film of all times

so obviously I'm a Kubrick fan on the word go he's never made anything I haven't absolutely loved but I just think that it was two different animals man I mean you've got the shining book and then I think Kubrick

purposely went way out of his way to separate the film from the book and I just as a translation I just didn't think that it worked as a straight translation from the book so it's really just name only Yeah, that's why I left it off my list, personally. You know, Brian, did you include it on yours?

No. I guess none of us did or he wouldn't have brought that up, right? Yeah. And then we've also got one from Shareda Connolly from Alaska. She asked if we were going to be covering the new Ghostbusters. I don't know. What do you guys think? Hey, I ain't afraid of no ghost. Yeah, I think, you know, I think,

we're all going to end up seeing it. So we'll get like a little mini review on it. Yeah, it'll definitely be a part of the conversation. Yeah, good idea. Because I totally want to watch it. So as soon as all three of us see it, we'll get that one out there.

Sounds good. All right. So yeah, thanks for the feedback, Shereida. That's one that's been on my to-do list, but I just hadn't had time to see it. And we really didn't just didn't work it in because of the scheduling and whatnot to our actual reviews.

So we will go and see that and we'll get and we'll get you our thoughts on it for sure. There's a lot of good stuff coming out right now. It's hard to catch everything. It's a good time to be a horror movie fan right now. But thanks guys. You can reach us with your comments, ideas, and questions at the horror returns at gmail.com. Message us through our Facebook page or leave an iTunes review. And once again, please, please do it because it gives us something to talk

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