The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #80: The Year In Horror 1974 - The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, Young Frankenstein & Black Christmas (Re-upload)

Episode Date: May 30, 2022

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Victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the whole returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers in the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and normally review a brand new horror movie,

then go back and find a classic work with similar themes. We are doing a special year-in-horror. We try to do about one of these a quarter. This is going to be the Year in Horror 1974, and we think you guys are going to love it, because the last one we did, which was 1971. Guys, it's our third

most downloaded episode to date. Really? Yeah, so... Check that out. I think that the people like here in the Year in Horror, so we're going to keep doing them.

We're definitely going to include spoilers. These are all from 1974, so if you're listening to this podcast, you've probably seen them. We may, from time to time, use some four-letter words. If you've been with us for a while, you know this. If you're new to the show, and we picked up a couple of new listeners again last week, we seem to be picking up every week, which is awesome. But yeah, we'll definitely use four-letter words. That's why we have that little E letter when you pull it up, the E for explicit on our

podcast. So I'm Lance, and with me as always, are my co-hosts. Phillip and Brian, how are you guys doing? Doing good. Pretty awesome. Snowing in Texas. Well, not anymore. But it was. We got snow.

But Brian, I think you're the coolest up there, man. I think you're a little cooler than we are. Yeah, that's what I heard. He jumped off the cool cliff. He's downright cold. All right, then, man. What's your cool of the week, Brian? Things have been kind of hectic with the holiday seasons.

For some reason, my wife only wants to watch TV shows. So I did finish Punisher. Ooh. It took me a while. I kind of stopped after, like, episode seven because it was, it was too slow for me, too slow. Yeah, they've been doing that. Yeah, but I will say those last, what was it, six, six episodes? Uh-huh.

brought me back definitely and it finished strong yeah you're talking about the part where the one guy kind of turned around turned on him a little bit yeah yeah it got it got pretty good after that man yeah I think I think overall

if this would it probably would have been instead of 13 like maybe 10 episodes couldn't agree more man I thought that 13th episode was totally unnecessary man yeah you know So is it on par with Daredevil? Daredevil is still my favorite.

But it's it's up there because I really like John Brinthal. Yeah. Everything, everything that had to do with him was, was fantastic. It's just, it was a little, I know some people were saying, you know, quit complaining. You know, it's story building. But I just, I just felt like they could have tightened it up a little. little bit. I got you. I got you. Yeah. And what else? Caught back up with the

Gifted, the X-Men show on Fox. I still think it's better than most X-Men movies. Yeah, because it's new characters you're dealing with. You're not dealing with the same characters over and over. And in the movies, they always was talking about the mutant registration act. Yeah. In the TV show, you're past all that. Ah.

If you're a mutant, you're getting arrested. No shit. Yeah, and there's no X-Men. There's no brotherhood. Like, they're all gone. And so it's a, you know, and it's just fresh for me. And I'm really digging it. And I think, yeah, that's pretty much just those two shows.

That's pretty much it. I still have not watched The Punisher. I don't know why. I can't believe it. I know. You're the one I had in mind when the show was announced, man. Yeah, because I was super excited about it, and I just haven't got around to it. Yeah, I think you were the most excited about it on the show.

No kidding. But what I have, well, and then you guys told me it was slow, and I'm like, ah, ain't nobody got time for this shit. What I did watch, though, and I'm loving, is The Exorcist. Ah, season. Anybody caught up on that one? I have not started season two yet. I've been hearing great things about it.

Yeah, season two is better than season one. Wow. Yeah, it's like there's something, and I think it's only 10 episodes. It's not over yet. I think they're through like 8 or 9. But it seems like every episode, something big happens.

Like they crammed a lot of story into these 10 episodes. So it's like, bam, big event, Bam, big event. You know, like the first few seasons of the Walking Dead where something big happened every episode. So I'm definitely stoked about that one. Right.

That's my jam right now. That's it, huh? Yeah. A lot of TV, huh, this week? There's not a whole lot of movies out, huh? Well, yeah, I did some... I did some catching up of movies from 2016 that I hadn't seen some stuff that's on Netflix

because I took a little long weekend trip to New York with the family, so that means lots of downloaded shows on the iPhone on the airplane ride. Oh, okay. Movie from 2016, you guys heard of this one, it's called Trash Fire. Oh, with, what's his name from Entourage? I guess that's where he's from.

He looked familiar. I don't, you know, I can't tell, I can't say what the guy's name is. Kind of, kind of olive-complected guy with dark hair. Yeah, I was going to say Vincent Chase, but that's not even his real name. Yeah, but now I know who you're talking about. All right, yeah, he was, he was in it and, you know, a couple of other people that I'd seen as character actors but know, like, huge, you know, like superstars or anything like that. but this was directed by Richard Bates Jr. And he did a movie a couple years ago called Excision.

Did you guys ever see that one? Mm-hmm. That was, I really enjoyed that one. Man, I didn't even realize he'd done it until I kind of looked him up after watching the movie. But, no, Trash Fire is about this guy. His girlfriend convinces him to go back home to try to make nice with his sister and grandmother.

I don't want to give too much away. There was a family tragedy, and he felt like it was his fault, and, you know, that he isolated his family because of that. And so he goes back to try to make nice, and his girlfriend that convinced him to go kind of slowly starts to realize there's a little bit more going on to this family than meets the eye. It's a real slow burn, but it's a great movie.

If you ever get a chance to see trash fire, It's on Netflix, so no excuse not to. Okay. So, Brian, we got some horror headlines, man? Yes, we do. We finally got a release date confirmed. December 29th, Black Mirror's Season 4. Right.

That's not too far away. Yeah. And that one, I'm definitely excited. That's going to be a day one thing, yeah. Yeah, that's what you said about Punisher, dude. I know, right? Yeah, this is a set date, you know, because before they were talking about early 2018, so very happy they pushed it up. Well, they got to help justify those, the $2 a month more.

We're paying for Netflix now, I guess. I know. That is so. And I was just telling my wife like an hour ago, if it wasn't for the Netflix shows that they get the exclusives. Sure. I don't think I would have Netflix anymore Yeah, well they got some good shows That's what they're banking on I think man

Yeah, because we've been watching a lot of Hulu And Amazon Prime Right And it's just You know, when we're done with all the Netflix shows It's just like we don't really watch anything on Netflix Ah, yeah, they've been getting For the most part pretty shitty movies

There's some diamonds in the rough Like that trash fire Yeah For the most part And did you guys ever see that movie, the other movie that's on there called High Rise? Oh, with Loki. Yeah, yeah, that's actually a pretty damn good movie, man.

Yeah, I started watching it. It's a little slow, but it's, yeah, it's weird. The weirdness keeps you in there a little bit. Right. Yeah, and I know. Creep 2 is coming to Netflix in a week or so, I think. Yeah. Oh, I thought that was already.

on Netflix. Okay. I'm definitely going to check that one out. Yeah, it's good, man. That was my cool of the week last week, I think. Yeah. Let's see here. We got, we got some release dates on some upcoming movies. The Pet Cemetery remake. Uh-huh. April 19th, 2019. That's a long way away to already be having a release date, isn't it?

Yeah. I don't, I think they're just in the pre-production right now. I don't even know. I got my fingers crossed. I'm just hopefully, we've gotten a lot of Stephen King material this past year. And most of it,

I was pretty happy with. With the exception of one movie that a spoiler made my worst of the year list. Oh, no, and it's a King adaptation. Yeah. Hmm.

Okay. Wasn't too happy with this. Well, it couldn't have been Cell because that came out in 2016, right? I haven't seen Cell. I heard, I had nothing good about that movie, so I didn't even go watch it. I haven't seen it either.

Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I agree with you. I might have an idea. Yeah. Let's see. the Hellboy reboot gets January 11th, 2019 release date.

Hmm. Okay. So definitely looking forward to that with the cast they got. Let's see. One more release date that was confirmed. Quentin Tarantino's movie that is connected to the Manson family story, which is not going to be about the Manson family.

What? It's going to be centered around what happens with the Manson. It's not going to be about them. That's bizarre.

Yeah. It's got a release date of August 9th, 2019, which is the 50th anniversary of the tape murders. Here's another bizarre

one about Quentin Tarantino. Did you guys hear he's doing something with Star Trek? Yes. Yep. That is actually

my next news item. I was going to ask you what you thought about it, Lance. Oh, man, I'm all for it, dude. I'm all in on that one, man. J.J. Abrams and Quentin Tarantino are working on a Star Trek movie that is going to be rated R. Yeah, I can go. Samuel L. Jackson better be in that motherfucker.

Samuel L. Jackson playing Harry Mudd, maybe, huh? He's going to be Jordy. He would be cute. Samuel L. Jackson would be cute. Oh, that would be great. That'd be awesome. Oh, man, that would be perfect casting. Am I right?

Yeah, a couple of little facts here I had read. This will be Tarantino's first time directing a franchise film. Huh. Okay. Word is, he's not writing the movie. He's directing it. Which I don't think it's true. That's strange for him.

I don't think it's true. I think he'll have a hand in writing it. Yeah, why would he not? Different. Let's see. And this will be the first time Star Trek movie is getting the R rating. I can go for that, man. Well, they finally did their first F-bomb on Discovery.

So, you know. Oh, did they? Yeah, they did, man. They sure did. CBS All Access. So, yeah, I guess. you know, I got a change with the times, right? Yeah.

Speaking of CBS All-axis, we talked about the Twilight Zone reboot. It has been greenlit. It is for sure happening with Jordan Peel. Well, I'm one of the schmucks shelling out the seven bucks a month, so I'll be seeing it. Is he supposed to, like, direct all of them? I don't know if he's directing all of them, but I know he's probably going to have a hand in writing a lot of it. or at least producing. Okay.

So. Interesting. Yeah. Can't be too bad, right, Phil? Yeah. And I think that, yeah, with the JJ Abrams and Quentin Tarantino, I think, for me personally, I think that was the biggest news of the week. Yep, that is all the news we have.

Okay, boys. Let's take our little trip down to the trailer park. Brian, what's the first new trailer to talk about this week? We were going to talk about The Midnight Man. The Midnight Man. Starring Robert England and Lynn Shea and a bunch of other people I'd never heard of. Directed by Travis Zawarney, I think. I probably totally fucked up that name.

Who cares? I'll give my take on it first. This looks like possibly what the bye-bye man should have been. I was going to say, this is your bye-bye-man sequel. It's what you've been waiting for, Brian. You're being less nicer than I am when you're saying is what it should have been. Yeah, I don't know. I think I like to take on it with the games.

Okay. If you don't play the games correctly, then he comes for you. Or Jumanji. Yeah. Okay. Well, but I don't know. I mean, this is definitely, if it comes on Netflix or something, I'll check it out. I'm not going to go seek it out, but it looks, I can already tell it looks 100% better than the bye-bye man. I don't know about that. It looked pretty bad to me, dude. Well, first. Robert England at least.

Yeah, you got Robert England and Lynn Shea already. No, England looked to me like he was phoning it in, though, on the trailer, dude. Yeah, well, got to get paid. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, well, England's not afraid to get paid. He'll definitely show up in movies. Yeah. No doubt about that.

And I couldn't find out for sure, but it might be out now as we speak. Oh, yeah? Oh, one of those, huh? Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. The next one we're going to move on to is a remake called Day of the Dead Bloodline. Okay.

Starring. So, go ahead. No, but is it, but is it a remake? It is not a true remake, but I don't know what they call them remake reboots. Reimaging. There you go. I like that. Reimaging.

starring Sophie Skelton Jonathan Skatech and Jeff Gum directed by Hector Hernandez Vasine It looks interesting I know I seen the Day of the Dead remake that came out

Years ago We had a who did it have Bing Rames and Nick Cannon Oh that's right It was garbage And it had nothing to do It had nothing to do with the original So

This looks a little bit more closer to what the original was. I am a fan of the original, and I think this might be, this might surprise people. The Gore is definitely there. Yeah. So.

I think it looks good, man. Sign me up, dude. Zombies and this is like old school walking dead before they went all Negan on us. Right. As much as I love that character, dude, it's not the same.

show it used to be. When I started, when I started watching this trailer, I was like, oh, fuck, come on, man, do we really need another one? It looks like scenes right out of the Walking Dead. Nothing new. We're getting way too many zombie movies. But yeah, it sold me about halfway through. It does look fucking amazing. What was that? Zombies are alive, man. Was there a zombie like, vomiting into somebody's mouth or something? Yeah, that was. Yeah, that was, that was, yeah. It looks really good. I have to say, yeah. I have to see. say it looks really good. And I believe George Romero had a hand in helping in

writing this too. Now we have to see it. Yeah, I might be mistaken, but I think he had some way in, he had his input in on this one. So I think it's worth checking out. And we're going to get it here soon. January 5th. Is it going to be a major release? I think it's going to be

selected theaters, I think, but I think overall it's going to be like a VOD. Well, shit. Hopefully we'll find a way to watch it. I wouldn't mind doing that one and pairing it with the original day. Yeah, I think I'm, I have to check. I think I might have squeezed it in there January. Awesome. So, oh, and Lance, I think we'll be able to squeeze in the prisoners in January.

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, the TV show, the prisoner. Yeah. I guess I'm watching To Do. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's going to be a great show. Definitely. Our buddy Jack wants to be on there. Yeah. Like January 5th.

20 episodes at an hour long each. Yeah. Yeah. And it's BBC, so they really are a full hour. Like 156 minutes each. Okay. Add to our final trailer, which is usually the biggest one of the week,

uh, Jurassic World. Fallen Kingdom. Jesus. Oh, man. Oh, now we got to watch it just from your reaction. Oh, God. That was the response

I was hoping you'd have. Starring Chris Pratt, Bryce Dallas Howard, Jeff Goldblum, B.D. Wong, Toby Jones, and rumored Sam Neal. Okay. All right, well.

Directed by J.A., But Yona, never heard of him. I have. That's, uh, what did he do? Uh, oh, the impossible. That's, uh, that's one, that's one of the directors that, um, that Russell Jeffrey Banks worked with. Oh. Okay.

Uh, that's been the disaster movie, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the tsunami. And he did, uh, that newer one that's supposed to be really good called a monster coals. I haven't seen it. Have you guys checked it out? No, it's... Oh, it's an animated one, right?

Yeah, I think the creature's animated. Isn't it Liam Neeson's voice? Am I the right one? Yeah, he's basically group. Okay, yeah, but supposedly it's a really good movie, man. I mean... Yeah. So, yeah, he's a legit director.

See, okay, so that kind of gives this movie a little bit more. Little creepens. And I heard they're... going more of this movie's supposed to be more scarier. I hope so, man. Previous movies. Yeah, the first one was just the newer one

a couple years ago to me was just silly, man. Yeah, I mean, well, it's dinosaurs, it's a dinosaur part. Well, yeah, but I mean, I just I didn't care for any of the characters like the little fucking snot-nosed brats that fucking went off from your own and, you know,

give me a break. Whatever. But, yeah, from what I've seen, they're not in this. Hopefully they got eaten. Yeah. I'd be fine with that. I thought the Jurassic World was pretty entertaining, but it definitely is not one that stands out to me. Not one that I'm, you know, ready to go back and see again. It doesn't hold up to the original.

Yeah. Even if I did. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. Oh, I was going to say, there's not. I mean, I'm going to go see it because it's Jurassic World. Oh, yeah, for sure. There's nothing really in the trailer that I was super.

Oh, I got to see this, you know. Yeah, it was a odd. It was an odd first trailer because it didn't really, there wasn't like a wow factor in it. Yeah. And on top of that, it didn't really explain the story either. Yeah, something about them getting blown up. I mean, there's obviously explosions going on.

Yeah, so. Active volcano, I think. Yeah. But overall, like Chris Pratt, I, I like a majority of what he does as far as movies, and I like Bryce Dallas Howard. She's all right. I really

liked her in that Black Mirror episode. Yeah. Which one we're seeing? The one where they the likes or dislikes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Nosedives. It's called Nosed Dives.

I think. Yeah. And, you know, Jeff Goldblum's coming back for this one, and rumored Sam Neal's coming back. I'll watch it because of Jeff Goldblum just because of his performance in Thor. It's great.

Yeah, we'll all be there. I mean, it's going to be fun. I mean, shit, why would you not watch a dinosaur movie, right? Yeah. And we got a summer. release of June 22nd. But of course. Right in the middle of Blackbuster season, right?

Yep. Yep. And that was our last trailer. All right. Well, so Phil, it's all up to you, man. We got any feedback? You guys hear all the petitions going on for Justice League? No. There's like fans that want the Zach Snyder cut. There's fans that want the Josh Whedon cut. and I guess

Yeah, Warner Brothers is saying there is no Zach Snyder cut But somebody's leaking all these images I guess there was a I guess they did film Superman in the black suit Oh And they cut it out the movie And it's just like

Warner Brothers is saying one thing But somebody keeps leaking these like pictures And information And I don't know It's pretty it Warner Brothers just They need to just stop I don't know what's going on over there.

Right. It's got me a little worry for Aquaman now. Yeah. Oh, no. Aquaman's going to be good. That's the one I'm looking forward to, actually. Yeah, it's, it's, I, I got faith, I liked Jason Momoa as Aquaman, and I liked, I like, damn, I'm spacing on everything. The Flash, the Flash kid.

Jimmy Fallon. No, I'm talking about the director. Oh, okay. Oh, the guy who's going to be directing. Yeah, he did the Conjuring. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. James Juan?

Yeah. I got faith in him. It's how Warner Brothers handles these movies. Oh, wow. Okay. Hmm. Well, there's a lot, there's a big bad studio hand that goes into all those movies, though. So I'm not sure how much the director really has to do with it.

Yeah. I say, just give me more Amber Hurd, I'll be okay. It's old. So, Bede Germine says, my last edition of the Horror Down Under column is now online. Be sure to check it out. They cover Boys in the Trees, which is streaming on Netflix. You guys, have you guys seen that one? No.

I've never heard of it. No, I have heard. It's okay. I haven't checked it out, but I've seen it on Netflix a couple of times. I didn't get the feeling it was a horror movie, though. I thought it was more just like weird drama type stuff. I know some of them dress up like in clown mask and shit, so I don't know. It's like the killer clowns. Those goddamn kids and those goddamn trees get out of my dreams. let's see I don't know we got a

have to check it out I guess yeah I'll watch it uh we got Brian Fuller and Michael Green are out as American God's showrunners so they leave half of season two's

episodes written no replacements have been named yet uh Shane Clark says oh shit Eddie Ramirez says well now I wonder if I should even try to catch up on the first season yes, because it's good

standalone. Oh yeah, hell yeah. Patrick Lear says they have the book to use a source material, so I'd say yes as well. Hell, who knows it could be even better. I don't know about that, but anything possible, I guess. Let's see, regarding

young Frankenstein, Jack Falvey the 4th says, still the gold standard for both classic monster movies and comedies. There you go. Yeah. uh... Darren Wilson says

Fun Christmas episode guys I keep forgetting there was a remake of Black Christmas and then someone brings it up awesome yeah thanks for the feedback Darren we appreciate that man That's it for

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a review port of allure. We'd love to hear from you. Let us know what's up. Cool. So that means I guess it's time for our featured attractions. So this week, of course, we had planned to do the shape of water, but it appears as though that is still in limited release, and we don't know how much longer it will be, and we're definitely not going to leapfrog over what we're covering next week. Right, Brian? Oh, I think.

people are expecting that one. Fucking Star Wars, man. That's right, man. Next week is Star Wars Week, so I'm sure we'll squeeze the shape of water in there somewhere, but all right, so we're going to go back to the year 1974,

which I thought it was a pretty big year in horror movies when you look at some of the titles of what came out that year, but of the three that we picked, we start out with the original Texas chainsaw massacre.

His director was Toby Hooper, of course also known for Poultergeist, which we've covered on the show before, and also Life Force. Writers, Toby Hooper and Kim Hinkle, who is also known for Eaton Alive and Butcher Boys. Director Hooper claims to have gotten the idea for the film while standing in the hardware section of a crowded store.

While thinking of a way to get out through the crowd, he spotted the chainsaws. Hey, who hasn't thought of that at one point or another? Indeed. Fucking Black Friday? According to John Lerichette, his payment for doing the opening narration was a marijuana joint. That sounds about par for the rest of the guys in this movie. Hey, man, 1974, what are you going to do, man, right?

and did you guys what did you guys think about the music the score uh it was all the background music during the all the scenes in the movie do you guys like it I don't

really remember a whole lot of music just the fucking chains on noise no no no I love the soundtrack man yeah and here's do what Brian I was just about to say there was music in this movie

nah well let me me put it to you this way. The soundtrack contains no sounds from musical instruments. Instead, they use sounds an animal would hear inside a slaughterhouse. Oh. Or an abattoir, right? We learned last year with that movie that was the... Wasn't that on your top five, Brian?

Yeah, fuck that movie. But I think it's on Netflix, if anybody wants to check it out. Yeah, I saw it on Netflix. I didn't think it was that bad. I kind of liked it. What did you think about Texas chainsaw, Brian? This is definitely a classic. This is like a staple. If anybody, if you are just now getting into horror movies,

this is like one of the first movies you should check out. Yeah. And if you've already been into horror, you've definitely probably watched this a few times. This movie, it's very dirty, grimy, sweaty. It makes you feel all that just watching it. And it's, it's, oh, and one thing that, rewatching this, it's what people misunderstand,

this movie is not really that gory. Right. Yeah. You don't really, you know, you don't really see a lot of the, the kills. But at the same time, they're all, yeah, they're all effective. They, they, you, you feel what everybody's going through. And then they gave us, you know, horror icon.

like Leatherface and introduced us to, not introduced us, but made Toby Hooper a name. Yes. Which, sadly, he passed. And it also introduced us probably one of the most fucked up families in movies, the Sawyers. Yeah. Because that whole dinner scene at the end is wacky as shit,

especially Grandpa. Yeah. Who is it? That one scene always gets me where they cut her finger and he's just sucking, sucking on the finger. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely, I fully recommend anybody watching this.

The sequels, I like to, but from then on, it just gets out of hand. But definitely, this is probably one of my all-time favorites. definitely high up on this. Oh man, I totally agree with you. This is, this is definitely a top ten all-time horror movie for me. Oh, shit.

Oh, easy. It's kind of a masterpiece. Okay, so Toby Hooper, he was, he was a college student when he made this or had he recently graduated? It was something along those lines, right? I don't know, man. I don't know.

Too much, too much about that background. From what I remember, and I'm just kind of winging it here, so I'm sure I'll get corrected somewhere along the way. But he was like a college project or he was a recent grad or something. He was UT, Lance. Right. And, you know, from pain comes greatness, man. Because if you look at the background of this movie, none of the actors really got paid very much. Sure.

because it was just very low budget and they even had a hard time getting paid at the end. The scene where the guy in the wheelchair rolls down the hill, that was actually the last scene to be shot and he said he wouldn't do it until he got paid because he still hadn't got paid

yet. Oh, I thought he might really get hurt, huh? Yeah. Who? Franklin? And he hadn't been paid yet. Yeah, Franklin. Franklin was... Yeah, he is he is the poster child for for you know those characters where you know they're going to die

yeah that Franklin from the moment you meet him yeah Franklin was doomed see and like I want to say that he's my my one moment that uh I don't really like about this movie my character that I don't like but I think that's intentional you know I think he's super obnoxious

like intentionally and like the other characters you can tell get tired of being with him it was like oh why did you drive this kid along you know yeah uh but no yeah i i think that a lot of the gore and everything was uh they left it to your imagination you know they had some really gnarly sounds going on in the background and that scene where he you know hangs her up on a hook oh wow yeah it was brutal yeah um i mean all the way up until the very last scene where he's, you know, swinging the chainsaw around and the sunset.

It's so gritty. And this is one that I watched as a kid relatively often. And I always grew up thinking that it was real. You always heard those stories. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I could look that way from the beginning.

Yeah. I heard every town out there, somebody had told me at some point or another. Yeah, hey, this is where the Texas Chainsaw Massacre happened. And so I think coming with that lore, it was almost like the first found footage movie before found footage, you know? That's a great way to put it, man. And I liked it, man. I think they set the stage for a lot of stuff in 1974.

That was a hell of a movie. Yeah, you're right. The remakes get a little chenzy, but I don't think Toby Hooper had really a whole lot. lot to do with those. And, uh, what did he did the second one, huh?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, he did. I know he directed the second one. And then I think after that, it was kind of like off the rails. Yeah. Other people took over and kind of fucked it up a little bit.

I think after the, uh, the, the business disaster that happened on the first one. Uh-huh. Um, because even though the movie made a lot of money, the actors and the producers,

or the actors and the director and all that did not. Uh, I think after all that, man, everybody else sort of bailed. And I'm not sure why Toby Hooper did it, but he kept going. Yeah, definitely a classic for me, man. This was a might be, might be top three horror movies. Top three. Oh, shit, dude.

I mean, it's up there with the exorcists to me. Okay, I got it right here. The concept of the movie arose in the early 1970s, while Toby Hooper was working as an assistant film director at the University of Texas. Okay. There you have it. Well, fuck, man, from humble beginnings, huh? Yeah.

Yeah, this, I don't know how much I can say about it that you guys haven't already touched on. I mean, this movie was so fucking far ahead of its time. You know, when I look at it and some of the other movies from that time period and even like up to 10, 15 years after this, you hit the nail right on the head. I was trying to think of what it reminded me of, and it really reminded me of an early found footage movie. It was like a real fucking documentary, especially when they set it up.

And you're right, they did such a great job with marketing it and the word of mouth. And it was just like, I'm with you, Phil. Every town you're in, they say, well, yeah, it happened here. No, it happened right down the road. Or yeah, it happened just outside of Austin.

Everybody thinks it's fucking real. That it's a truth. shit was scary. As a kid, this was fucking scary. You know what this was? This was, because I,

when I rewatched it, I watched it at work in full daylight in my office during my lunch break and I'm like, you know, nothing's gonna scare me.

Maybe fucking, it's just fucking brutal. And it's, it's a, it's a horror, it's, imagine that. It's actually a horror movie

that's fucking scary as hell. You know? And it's just, yeah, the brutality of it and just, uh, I mean,

let, let, Let's not discount Gunner Hansen's acting in this. He doesn't say a goddamn word, but the guy is so fucking frightening, you know? Just when he's chasing her through the woods and stuff like that, and it's just, man, obviously this is the movie Rob Zombie wish he could make, right? Oh, yeah, exactly. I think he picked a bunch of stuff off of this.

Oh, and that chainsaw noise that's just going. Yes, yes. You can't tell how far away the killer is. It's just this change. Like, if you're not scared shitless during that scene, then you have not really been watching the movie. Yeah, it's a straight-up classic, for sure. You guys want to do scores?

Sure. I am going to give it a 9 out of 10. It's a good, good high score, man. Yeah, definite classic. you brought up Gunner Gunner Hanson What was the lead actress? Marion Burns

Marilyn Burns, yeah Marilyn Burns, yeah She's definitely Yeah, so She's also She's an iconic scene at the end With her, you know, getting away Her just like hysterically laughing

In the back of pickup truck Yeah, she's one of those memorable final girls Yeah, And wanted to bring her up. So this is definitely, if you haven't watched this, check it out. It is amazing and iconic in every way from the director to the, to leather face, to all kinds of stuff. And it's definitely a must watch for all horror fans. I am, well, I mean, I already said it was top three for me.

It's probably The Exorcist, The Thing, and Texer. is Chantown Masker. That's a strong three, dude. Yeah. I'm gonna, I'm gonna give it a 10. I think it's a masterpiece. Yeah, I almost want to take like a half a point away for Franklin. Franklin.

No, he was funny, man. I love it. Just stupid fucking raspberries. That's such a dumb seat. That's where my point got taken away was fucking. No, you guys can't do that. Now, that's not fucking fair. That added to the movie.

Oh, what did you guys think about the music that was playing in the background in the van? That fucking corny ass 1970s got like tie a yellow ribbon around the old oak tree type of sound music. Like almost a ragtime type sound to it when the fucking hitchhiker was in, cutting his arm and everything. Oh, dude, that was a great scene. That was fucking amazing, huh? Every scene at this movie was great. It's just so many people have picked up from this one and used these horror tropics. and their stuff, you know?

Absolutely, man. Like I say, way ahead of its time. This movie could almost be made now. Of course, if they made it now, they would probably think it was sort of like making fun of those, you know, 70s and 80s horror movies. Yeah. But, you know, with a few changes to it,

a few modernizations, they could, you know, the basic storyline and the brutality of it, it could happen now, you know? Boy, even the remake wasn't bad, I didn't think. It wasn't bad at all. The one would just could be. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't too bad.

I thought it was kind of weird to have an Arley Army as the sheriff or whatever. Oh, I like it. It's good. That guy can do whatever he wants to. Right. I only know two things from Texas, boy.

Steve's queer, and I don't see any horns on you. Man, that's another one of my favorite movies. Yeah, we got to do a Kubrick week, man. Yeah. But we digress, right? Mm-hmm. Uh, fuck, dude, 10 out of 10, huh? Yeah, that's, that's mine.

Man, I'm right up there with you guys, man. I don't quite go as high as you guys did, but I give it an incredibly strong 8.5. It's, uh, I mean, it's just got, it's got what you want out of a horror movie. And, um, it just goes to show you don't have to have all that gore as long as you got the sound effects and you've got the acting and you've got the, you've got the, you've got the, the realism of the way that it shot and everything. And I did really love the kind of almost comedy nature. Like a lot of those saw your family characters were just kind of like, the guy that worked at the gas station.

Yeah. He got back at the dinner table and he was, you know, saying, shut the fuck up. You dumb ass, you know. Oh, man. And the way he would just, he would tell her now, now, it's all right, I'm not going to hurt you. I'm not going to hurt you.

he'd say that while he's poking her with a stick she's tied up it's just like oh man it's a great movie it really it's a messed up movie it's so messed up movie it's so messed up movie I think we all strongly strongly recommend this one right

it's it's a must see for any horror fan it is on that must see list all right well so 74 is off to a rock and start guys I think we're about to cover another must see and that's not quite horror, not quite comedy, but a little of each.

Mel Brooks Young Frankenstein. Or should I say Frankenstein? Froderick Frankenstein. The director was Mel Brooks, also known for Spaceballs and, of course, Blazing Saddles, as well as many others. writers Mel Brooks with Gene Wilder And when Mel Brooks was preparing for this film He discovered that Ken Strickfaden Who'd made the elaborate electrical machinery

For the lab sequences in the original Universal films Was still alive in living in the Los Angeles area So Brooks paid him a visit and found out that he had stored all the equipment in his garage Brooks made a deal to rent the equipment And gave Strick Faden the screen credit it. He deserved that he didn't get for the original films. So if the equipment in the lab looks familiar, there's a good reason. Oh, there you go.

The cast, and especially Mel Brooks, had so much fun, and they were actually really upset when principal photography was completed. So Mel added a whole bunch of extra scenes so they could continue shooting. You don't hear that very much. That's awesome. Yeah. That is fucking amazing. I love that story. And then final piece of trivia

Before we let you go first Philip, because you're our comedy guy Oh okay Premier Magazine voted this movie as one of the 50 Greatest Comedies of All Time So there you have it Bill, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, well, 50 greatest comedies

is a pretty wide range I think it definitely belongs there though I mean it's Mel Brooks I'm sure he's got six movies in there Did you know That Igor? those are actually his eyes, man. That's what that dude looks.

Yeah, it used to scare me when I was a kid. Oh, no shit. Because I seen him in another movie and he did the eyes, you know, I was like, why is his eyes like that in this movie? My dad was like, that's what he looks like. I was like, that's crazy. Was that the one where he played a guy in the French Four Legion or something like that? I think so.

We had the funny man on. Yeah, and I was just like freaked out by his eyes. well man he was uh he was gold in this movie i loved his character i bore yeah man and he was so quick on the draw on everything on his little punchlines were just perfect um i i don't know if it holds up quite as well as uh like blazing saddles or uh uh some of his other stuff you know but it It is definitely a classic. And I love going back and watching it again. My daughter actually sat with me and watched it.

Cool. And she's four. And she wanted to watch it again. It was Frankenstein, you know? She was happy about Frankenstein. She wanted to watch it. I kind of loved it, man. It's not something I probably want to watch every year.

But if you haven't seen it in a while, definitely go back and revisit it, man. And some of the jokes are definitely corny and had me rolling my eyes. But some of them had me laughing out loud. They were pretty funny. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it was, it's not my favorite, Mel Brooks. I think my favorites from him would be Blazing Saddles, of course, at the top. And then History of the World Part 1.

Yeah. It's really good. I'm still waiting for History of the World Part 2, damn it. He promised it at the end. Where the fuck is it, you know? But, you know, Mel Brooks has quit directing movies. And I think we talked about this on a prior show. I was telling you guys that the reason that he said he quit doing movies,

he says the fucking political correctness has killed comedy. Well, coming from the director of Blazing Saddles, that makes absolute sense. Yeah, he said, you can't make a, you're not, your hands are tied. You can't make a fucking funny movie anymore the way you want to. So he said, fuck it. I just got out. but this it's such a loving tribute not only to all the old uh you know universal movies Frankenstein and all that but you know obviously the putting on the writ scene was right out of

king Kong no doubt about that um it's great though yeah it's fucking raised dad there there were a lot of uh there were a lot of nods to other horror movies and of course you know they they put the bride of Frankenstein stuff in there as well you know too and A lot of scenes right out of the original movies, like the little girl where he was picking the flowers and you're, oh, we've run out of pedals. Now what are we going to do? You know, like in the original movie, he threw her in the lake, but in this one, I think what? He got on the seesaw and she ended up flying into the window. Yeah, but before then, I still like after she says that he kind of glances at the camera.

Oh, yeah, like with a knot in a wink on there, huh? Yeah, it's a hilarious movie, man. I don't think anybody did, did a bad job. I didn't remember Terry Garby being that cute. I was about to say, how gorgeous was his assistant? Holy. Roll, roll, rolling the hay. That's not a problem.

I will be there in a second. Well, you guys know they have a musical now, right? Young Frankenstein, the musical is playing on Broadway now. Yeah, I heard about that. You know, I don't know how good it is. I mean, it can't be too bad, right? Putting on the Ritz. Right?

I'm sure that scene's in there. What did you guys think of Cloris Leachman as Frableucher? With the horses. Yeah. She was old in 1974, man. I can't believe she's still around. Or is she dead? Oh, man.

I think she's still kicking as far as I know. I think she's still kicking too. I don't know she was on Dancing with the Stars not too long ago. Yeah, literally kicking, huh? Yeah, and she is. Holy shit. Everybody else in the cast is dead and she's still alive. What the fuck?

Yeah, she is 91. And she's probably older than all of them. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Hey, I just got a message from our interview guest, guys. It sounds like we're on. So we won't say too much, but you guys may have a bonus episode coming up, listeners.

Woo. Yeah. Says we're all good, so cool. All right, didn't mean to interrupt, Brian. I was just going to say I really liked Madeline Khan in this too as a

as um The wife Yeah Oh yeah You know who she reminds me of Uh Oh The chick from Saturday Night Live

The blonde girl Oh Oh uh Rosanna Rosanna No no no no No No Gene Wilder married in real life

No No the one that like From now That's still on us now stair? Yeah. Okay. She did the Ghostbusters movie? Fuck, I can't remember her name. Oh, um, Kate McKenna?

Kate McKenna. She reminds me of Kate McKenna. Really? Okay. Yeah, a little bit. She's got that kind of, uh, I don't know, weird, quirky, cocky thing. I guess I can kind of see that. Maybe Kate McKinnon got a lot of her, uh, acting chops from watching Madeline Kahn, you know? Very possible. And that's just similar personalities. and another thing I never caught

until I just re-watched it Gene Hackman's in this movie Yeah Oh yeah The old blind monk or whatever Yeah I was like What the fuck is this guy?

I know him Yeah I never noticed And I probably This is probably I probably watch this more than other Mel Brooks Well maybe space balls But Yeah

Classic And I've never noticed That was Gene Hackman and then I'm looking and I was like, is that fucking Gene Hackman? And I had to look it up and it just blew my mind after all these years. I just never noticed. Oh, I had to look it up. I knew that I knew who he was.

Right. And it was killing me that I couldn't figure it out. That's what I said. That's fucking Lex Luther. With a lot more hair. But yeah, this is, as far as me, this is, I kind of hold this up there because this is, this is a movie me and my father watched. along with baseball. So those are my top two

Mel Brooks movies right there. And then plus, as a kid, you know, Gene Wilder and Willie Wonka. Yeah. And now he's basically, you know, Dr. Frankenstein, you know. So this was very high up there with me as a kid.

And definitely, I still enjoy watching it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's a great, it's a great comedy, man. I don't think I've ever seen a Melbrook's movie that I didn't like, you know, some, some are better than others, but, uh,

yeah, I mean, this was, this was such a love letter to, uh, to the old, to the old classic, uh,

monster movies, man. Very well done. Very well done. And he was doing this shit, you know, I, I,

I guess before like airplane and all that, right? Or was it about the same time? Definitely doing it way before like scary movie. That's for sure. Yeah. Well, yeah, he's,

he's, he's, he's, where that I think he kind of is part of the origins of the you know the funny Jewish thing. Oh yes

of course. Like Mel Brooks dude. That is your classic funny Jew. I don't know if that was racist or not. I hope not. It is what it is, you know. But he's hilarious, man. I love that guy. Yeah. One of my favorite directors of all time for sure, man.

Especially comedy, you know? Absolutely. You guys ready to score it? Yep. Yeah. I'm going to say, I think it is definitely on a must watch list if you've never seen it. But I can't give it a whole lot more than an eight because it doesn't, I don't think

it holds up quite as well as some of the others. But it's definitely, definitely funny. Go check it out. Cool. Yeah, I'm right there with you, brother. I give it an eight as well. I give it an eight, and I would say it is an absolute must watch, for sure. And if you love classic horror movies, and if you love non-politically correct comedy,

and cleavage and, you know, racist jokes and all that, you'll love it. Oh, there was some great cleavage in there. Oh, for sure, man. For 74? What? Wow. That's exactly what I was thinking. because it's Mel Brooks and because it's Gene Wilder and yes

I have to bring up Terry Gar again because she was pretty smoking hot in this movie I'm going to give another 9 out of 10. Very nice. Nice. This is, for me, this is a classic Mel Brooks and this is really up there. And it takes comedy and horror and just kind of just, you know, it's a perfect blend for me. Yes. Of a classic horror movie with comedy.

comedy added and definitely I agree. Everybody should watch this. Check it out. Agreed. Agreed. Man, we're on a roll here. 1974 is feeling like a fantastic year right now, huh? Yeah. All right. So let's move on to our third because when we do the year in, we always cover three features. So next is going to be the cult classic Black Christmas, director of Bob Clark, also known for Porkies and a Christmas story. if you can believe that.

Huh. Yeah, that's kind of blew me away. Ryder was Roy Moore, also known for the last chase, and no idea what that is. Shooting the search party scenes in the park proved to be quite difficult as the temperature was a freezing

10 degrees Fahrenheit during the night of filming. And Brian from Alaska's over here saying, you pussies, that's nothing. 10 degrees. I know. 10 degrees. I'm wearing shorts. I got to get my nuts out.

That too hot. Hey, this is interesting, guys, because this takes... I don't know what. This takes... Oh, shit. Sorry. All right. This takes us back to our first year in horror, which is 1960.

The film was initially thought to be the first slasher film ever to put the audience in the killer's point of view, but Brian, of course, we know what other movie did that first? Halloween. Uh, no, before that. Before Halloween. Wait for that. Oh.

Uh, oh. Uh, oh. The show did with Marcy on with us. Oh, peeping Tom. Peeping Tom. Yeah. And then the convention was then popularized by Halloween. How about that?

Oh, that's, yeah. All right. Uh, the role of Mrs. Mack was originally offered to Betty Davis, who turned it down. I can't imagine why. I think I'll better let you guys go first on this one. I'll go first. I'm probably going to piss people off.

I fucking hated this movie. Did you? I thought I was bored out of my mind. When I watch a movie, if I constantly reach from my phone to look up stuff, then it's background. It's background noise.

Right. I didn't, I thought everybody was terrible in this movie. Billy, Billy was intriguing the whole, but you didn't really get no really explanation on him. Right. And it kind of pissed me off. And I, I have seen the remake. I actually like the remake. The remake has some good kills and it has some fucking, it has some hot women in that movie.

Yeah, this one had neither. Well, Margot Kidder looked pretty good, but, uh, shit. That Lois Lane? I mean, when you, yeah, that was Louis Lane, when one of your quote-to-quote hot chicks is Andrea Martin from SCTV comedy network, you know you're in trouble.

Is that who she was? Yes. I know. But, I mean, I understand people hold this up as a classic, especially in the slasher genre, but it just, I was just waiting for it to be over.

I'm just horrible. there's nothing happened and the fuck i mean i got i got slightly interested like when when you first get the phone calls because that that is he was just fucking crazy on them phone calls yeah nasty and just right saying whatever and okay i was like this is about to get good and then yeah it's going to be some good kills here watch look yeah and then her her boyfriend or whatever the main the lead actors i fucking hated him with his constant fucking crying and whining and

I don't know I was this movie was horrible I think Philip liked it I think uh you know I I respected a lot

I can see kind of both sides of this one I think I'm sort of middle ground because I mean it was 1974 I think that they did a lot of things that had never been done before and a lot of of things that have been copied. Scream.

Fucking Halloween wouldn't have happened without this movie. I think it still might have. Well, okay. Listen to this story. Listen to this story. Apparently, John Carpenter used to hang out with Bob Clark. And Bob Clark's idea for a sequel to this movie was Halloween. You're kidding.

Yeah. So that's where John Carpenter got it from. Carpenter stole it from him. Huh? Yeah. Well, I don't know if he stole it. I think they were buddies. But, uh, yeah, that's, I think was the muse for Halloween.

Um, I think, I also, I really liked the, uh, the sounds in this movie. Like, they were really grotesque, man. Like, right. Yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the breathing of the killer while he's climbing around. And that was, that was really, uh, a little. too real, maybe. And then, um, like when he's on the phone and making all these disgusting fucking noises and shit. Yeah, that was kind of weird, huh? Yeah, it was, uh, it was slightly disturbing. I was thinking, man, for, for 1974, this movie's pushing some

boundaries. Yeah. That, for me, if, if there was just more Billy. Yeah. I think this would have been better for me. Yeah. Uh, but, but, but yeah, I, I don't. definitely see what you're saying because I got bored a few times in it too. And I found a lot of times where I was sort of spacing out. I'd actually never seen this before. Nor had I,

I haven't seen the remake. I haven't actually ever really heard of it. Okay. I've heard of it. I've heard of it quite a bit, actually. Yeah. But yeah, I think a lot of a lot of horror movies in that genre,

scream especially owe their livelihood to this movie but this may have been laying some groundwork and maybe you know putting the foundation down but the nice shutters and painted house weren't quite

there yet to me does that make sense? Yeah, makes perfect sense. Absolutely. You're giving it the respect for being the the, I guess, inspirational film for other movies that it was. Yeah. And it was, it was nitty and gritty and mean, man.

It just didn't quite do it for me. Okay. Cool. I'm probably in a little bit different camp. I didn't know all that trivia that you brought about, the carpenter connection, all that. But, come on, man. This was a fucking piece of shit. There's no way around it.

All right. So here's the thing I want to do, though. I want to see the remake. Listen to this. Listen to this. Who's Who of Hot Hollywood actresses? Katie Cassidy. Michelle Tractonberg.

Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Lacey Chabert. Yeah. I want to go see the new one. Fuck that. Especially if you're saying, there were no fucking good kills in this movie, man. Okay, putting a plastic bag over somebody.

his face and then what would they do fucking tied the Miss Mac to a goddamn chain and put through her down an elevator shaft or something? That was more comedic the way that he just yanked her out I guess it was kind of comedic I guess it was supposed to be but

and then you know you so you see a couple of dead bodies with blood on them but I didn't see him killed it was I looking down at my phone at that part or something yeah no the two chicks in the bed that had blood all over them yeah this is fucking this is a snooze fest for me, dude.

I'm just like, Brian, man, I kept getting on social media, looking at my phone, just fucking praying that this movie would end. And, you know, Texas Chainsaw Masker was an hour in 23 minutes. This one was a fucking hour and 38 minutes. I kind of wish that was flip-flop, you know?

I don't have anything nice to say about this movie, man. It's a piece of crap. Garbage. Terrible. And it looks so dated. I'm going to be honest with you. You guys know I didn't even really care for peeping Tom, I'd watch peeping Tom ten times before I'd watch this piece of shit.

Woo! Give me a fucking break, dude. Terrible. If this was, this year, this would be on the bottom five, hands down. Ouch. No doubt about it. But, you know, the other two we talked about,

if they'd come out this year, probably would have been in my top five. So, you know, it all evens out. Yeah. But, um, yeah, anyway, what else you guys want to say about this one? Um, I kind of feel like, if anything nice was to be said,

Philip already said it. Yeah, I'm trying to think. I like John Saxon in it. John Saxon. Yeah, John Saxon's always good, but even he was kind of milk toast in this one, you know? It was just a yawner for me, man.

You know, I'm just not a big, I don't, slasher movies are not really my genre, man. Right. Yeah, I kind of don't dig it. Yeah, and I mean, I guess you could classify, Texas Chainsaw Masker is kind of a slasher movie, but it had so much lore and bigger than life shit that came with it.

Absolutely. It was like, it was like sci-fi shit that could really happen, like the exorcists. And it was good acting. Well, except for you guys did like to get in the wheelchair. Fucking frankly.

I think. Funny as parts of the movie. I think that was probably good acting, and he was supposed to be annoying. Supposed to be annoying. Yeah. Kind of like Rain Wilson and House of a Thousand Corpses. Yeah.

Right? He drew, I think zombie got straight inspiration for that character from him. Oh, yeah. This was the same... Same setup, right? Yeah, House of a Thousand Corpses would not have happened without Texas Chainsaw Masker at all.

Like, he basically ripped off the entire movie. I mean, I don't want to say ripped off because I like House of a Thousand Corpses and I actually really respect Rob Zompe but yeah I mean it was it was an homage to Texas Chainsaw Masker I'm gonna go see I'm gonna go see the remake of Black Christmas

yeah I actually I really did actually enjoy the remake right I will bring back my stupid people segment oh idiot oh man It's been a while.

I don't know that I was paying enough attention to see any of people. I don't know what he is or not a deputy or something. Right. You don't fucking know what fallacious is. Palatio Drive or whatever that is. Oh, yeah, which he was talking. Yeah. And everybody's like, oh, boy.

Oh, it's a sex thing, huh? Right. That was a really bad Bart Simpson joke. Yeah, and then we get him later Right Yeah, then we get him later With the explicit directions on To call her

Let her know there's someone in the house Don't tell her why I just tell her to leave And then within 10 seconds He was like There's fucking somebody in the house Just run And nobody was leaving the house

No So Christ They were all dead At that point Except her Yeah Yeah.

Yeah. I think it's funny that we're in the middle of our conversation about Black Christmas, we went back to Texas chainsaw massacre. Yeah, well, that says a lot. Yeah. All right, Brian, fire away, man. I don't have anything else. Or what are we doing?

Ratings. What's your score, yeah. Yeah. Oh. Oh, shit. We shit all over this movie, man. I feel bad. You did.

You said some good things. Because of where it stands in the slasher genre, and I did like, I'm not going to say the character of Billy, the idea of Billy, I'm going to give it a three. Wow. I was going to say not bad, but I can't say that with a straight face. No, well, I expected. Oh, man. Phil? Oh, is that me?

Okay. I'm going to say, I'm going to give it a five. I think. Well, because, yeah, man, I definitely see where you guys are coming from. And the only good stuff I have to say about it is things that I looked up because I wasn't really paying attention. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. That says most of it.

I watched the whole thing, but I don't know if I actually. watched any of it until it until it got really loud and disgusting sounding because there was a lot of those moments right too bad there weren't any good kills to go with the disgusting sounds you know

they set stage for a lot of horror though they saved the kills for the remake yeah oh yeah I'm gonna check it out man that's on my list now um all right yeah so a three and a five so so far we can't really suggest this too strongly

I'm going to give it a two. Like I said, it would be, it would be on the bottom five. I'm pretty confident if we were recording this podcast in 1974. Wow. And it's on the, like, top horror movie list of 1974. I know. I don't get it, man. I don't get it.

I would say maybe if I watch it again, but it ain't going to happen. There's too many other good movies out there to watch. But I will say this. there's two Christmas horror movies that I've always heard about and I've never seen and I watched them both for the first time this year one of them was this

which I absolutely hated and one of them I really loved it's like my new favorite Christmas horror movie and that was that Silent Night Deadly Night so it was worth it man you know you gotta dig around a little bit to find the diamonds so that was pretty great

yeah and that had a Billy too man which I'm sure they got from this movie probably so probably so but all right well that's it we definitely want to thank you guys for all listening to another episode of the horror returns

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give us a rating and a review next week might be a long show it's it's gonna be a dozy it's Star Wars week once again oh it will be oh yes we may have to cut it into two parts

I don't know how that's going to work out but that may be a tough one but we are going to be joined by guest Denny Lewis from the after Midnight podcast, as well as our real good friend of the show, Jay Black from California. Oh, yeah, that'll be a long show. Get this. We're going to cover the Last Jedi, of course, but we're also going to cover episodes four, five, and six.

Woo! Yeah. And if you grew up like I did. If you grew up like I did, Star Wars, Return of the Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. None of this episode four, five. Hey, I re-watched them. They're not that bad, man.

Not bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about like episode one, two, and three. Oh, one, two, and three. Yeah. I didn't dive back into those this time. Yeah. No. Me and my... Not the trilogy. The trilogy is the trilogy.

Yeah, me and my son are doing the one through seven plus Rogue one. Yeah. We skipped Rogue one. I know. We skipped it, but it was a good one.

Yeah. Oh, I was, I just rewatched a new hope last night. And, uh, you know what?

It just, it makes me respect Rogue One all the more. I mean, they tied it together seamlessly. Yeah. What happened in,

in this one, man. You got to, you got to throw some love out to Rogue One. That was actually one of my top five last year. Yep. Yeah. So I'm very hopeful.

about this one as well, you know? Yeah, they're giving Ryan Johnson his own trilogy. Well, I think we're all waiting with, have you guys gotten your tickets yet? Yep. Nope, I haven't got mine. You're going to try to luck out and movie pass

this one, Brian? I don't think I'm going to take that chance, dude. No. Oh, that I know this is the end of the show, but movie pass, you're on my fucking bad bullshit of the week. Oh, what happened? I signed up for that year membership for the $6.95, you know, and you just basically, you pay $89.95. In advance, right.

Yeah, and they said, you will be charged on your next billing cycle. My next billing cycle passed. They charged me for the $9.95. Yes. I pulled up my email, clicked on the thing to see what happened, and it doesn't even take me where it did last time. Oh. Maybe they decided not to do that at the last minute. They're like, wait a minute, this is a really bad idea.

You know what? $10 a month was a bad idea. You know what? I'm happy with $9.95. Yeah. There's already some chains trying to compete with it. Like Cinemark has their own thing now. Yeah. I'm not complaining, really.

But I just, I was, that, that was an amazing fucking deal right there. Mm-hmm. And now it's like it don't exist because it doesn't. Especially after you tried to sign a. up for it. That's shitty. Well, let me put it to you this way. I just got the wife signed up, and she probably sees, you know, maybe on average two movies a month. It's still, it's, she's still coming out ahead. Yeah. You know? You just signed her up?

Yeah, I just signed her up. And this, it took me over a month to get my card. It took her less than a week. So they're definitely getting caught up now. Okay. Taking care of their people. So, uh, I hadn't even got mine because I'm a piece of shit and I'm lazy. Oh, well, it's a smart idea, dude. Yeah, definitely doing it. Let's keep you some money. Well, back to your question, Lance.

No, I'm not movie passing it because I'm taking all the kids. Yeah, I'm taking all the kids with me and we're probably, probably I'm maxing it. We're going to go to the A.J. and I're going to the 8 a.m. Saturday, and I'm keeping my eye on the seat. So far, it looks like, well, I don't, I don't think I want to try to take a chance, movie passing it. I'll probably buy the tickets Monday morning. I get to work. Oh, not. Even though it's an 8 a.m. showing, you know,

and normally nobody would be there. But this isn't just a regular movie. Right. Yeah, Star Wars. Yep. So, until the horror returns again, Phil. Goose.