The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #82: Star Wars Spectacular, Part 2 (Re-upload)

Episode Date: July 8, 2022

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victims for those of you who delight and dread who fantasize about fear, who glorify go welcome you have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware, this podcast contains major plot spoilers in the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. This is the podcast that these days seems to prove that Star Wars never ends. Each episode, we typically review a brand new horror movie and go back and watch a classic, but that's all out the window. So for the second week in a row, it's our Star Wars spectacular.

Of course, last week we brought you the new one. and talked a lot of Daisy Ridley, and that's not a bad thing, is it, Denny? Never a bad thing to talk about Daisy Ridley. I can talk about Daisy Ridley all day. And Jay, what did you think, man? Was this the last week, was that kind of like a return to form, or do you, are you kind of anticipating episode nine? I am anticipating episode nine. I did like the movie for the most part.

Yeah, I'm on board. All right. And Brian, I know you enjoyed it. Phillips, not going to be with us on this show. But that's okay. The show must go on. So we're going to include spoilers for all three of these films, because tonight we're talking, we're going back.

And to where it all began, 1977's Star Wars, as I knew it. You younger generation know it as a new hope. But when I first saw it to the theater, it was just simply called Star Wars. and of course we're going to get into the Empire Strikes Back and return to the Jedi tonight. We may use some four-letter words. It seemed like we've been, we were more G-rated last week than normal guys.

So I don't know if that's just because Denny and Jay are set straight arrows or what. But I don't know. Our fuchs and cunts and shits weren't there for some reason. You usually don't get a lot of those in a Star Wars movies. Chewy does curse a lot, but he's a little hard to understand. So, you know, we just went with the flow. All right. Well, I'm Lance and with me as always, my co-host, Brian Phillips, Phillips taking this show off.

But again, we have Denny Lewis from After Midnight Podcast. Tell us about that, Denny. We are a podcast all about Tales of the Supernatural, the paranormal, the unexplained conspiracy theories, and unsolved mysteries. Where we normally talk about certain topics. We analyze them. we break them down. We try to figure out if they're real. And this is normally like, uh, stories about the supernatural. Uh, if there's any underlying meaning to them and all that good stuff. We try to have some fun with it along the way as well. Uh, go back and check our previous episodes over on iTunes,

Brian Stitcher and Beyond Pod. Uh, we've done episodes on, uh, on, uh, not the Phantom Madness, we've done episodes on haunted hotels, Hollow Earth, we've done movie commentaries, we've done conspiracies, we've done them all. Go back, you know, since we've got you on now, go back, check the Disney Urban Legends one with Lance.

We also do one with the creeper in my apartment, which is a pretty good episode, by the way, too, where me and Lance kind of break down if it was real or not. So go back and check. all that stuff out. Yeah, and you know what? It's probably not a big surprise that probably 98% of our listenership listens to after midnight, too. So, you know, they probably know who you are, Denny, but it's always good to get to get the plug in.

Jay, you've been on a few shows with us, man. I remember Blair Witch specifically, but didn't you all, were you on the greatest scream, scream queens episode with us, or am I? Yeah. No, no, no, yeah. Yeah, I was on that. You know, Howard the Duck, too?

Oh, yeah, we did Howard the Duck Guardians of the Galaxy and then we did the Bates Motel. Yes, of course. The Bates Motel series, yeah, that was a good one. I enjoyed that one. And, Danny, you've been on the show a few times. Of course, we always appreciate it, man.

Wonder Woman, right? You're the one who pointed out the frame for frame shots from the original Superman movie, right? Exactly. And we were also, if we remember, I believe that episode, I enjoyed Captain America, the First Avenger a lot more than Wonder Woman. That still holds true because I actually rewatched both of them.

And I still enjoy Cap a little bit more. And it was also on for Rogue One. That's right. That's right. So this is going to be a tradition. I guess we'll see you again in May. For Han Solo, yes. And we'll hopefully, hopefully we'll have a lot of good stuff to say about that movie as well.

All right. Well, this week, this is Christmas weekend. that we're bringing this to you. So we're going to, a little bit shorter show, we're not going to go into Cool of the Week, headlines, any of that stuff. But we're going to jump right into our track. Are you saying that there was no cool news

that came out during Christmas week? I'm sure there was, but we're trying to jump ahead for time here, man. No problem. Are you talking about Shrude of Gering shit or what? What are you getting that, Denny? Ah, nothing, nothing. I'm just being silly.

Okay. All right, well, let's talk about Star Wars, nothing but Star Wars. You were seeing it earlier, Denny? Oh, yeah, Star Wars. Well, my throat's still kind of hurt. I've been sick now for about four weeks, apparently. Oh, nice. Not good.

All right. Well, let's take a time jump back to 1977 for the original Star Wars, also known as a New Hope. The director and writer was George Lucas. at that time he was also known for American graffiti and since then to the disdain of many he's been responsible for Star Wars episodes 1 through 3 as well don't forget the THX 1138

That was actually pretty decent Have you ever seen that? I have actually I own it on DVD Okay I think it was Wasn't it at first a short like a 20 minute short Did he did it in college or something? Yeah it was supposed to originally be a five minute short, that turned into 20 minutes.

And I believe it was supposed to be one of the very first movies put out by Francis Ford Coppola's an American Zoetrope production company. Wow. That pretty much killed the company. Okay. Okay. Trivia all over the place. And speaking of trivia, a couple of items here. So, of course, we all know and can say a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

but did you guys know that the original draft by George Lucas read a long long time ago in the not too distant future yeah sounds really fucking weird doesn't it there's a lot of trivia on this movie that that we could we could go into right now like the fact that I don't know if you guys ever read this book called the Secret History of Star Wars never happened no yeah okay so basically goes like in-depth on like the making of this original trilogy.

And, you know, Lucas was very heavily inspired by those, that Seven Samurai movie that allegedly his first draft of this movie was basically almost an exact rip-off of that movie that they asked them to actually kind of change it up or they were going to get sued. You're kidding.

I kid you not. Kind of like the magnificent sales. or even that Pixar movie A Bugs Life, which was kind of the same story too. And basically it was like a lot of the same characters you might see were there, but like one of the characters that actually didn't make it into that eventually found his way in was a character by the name of Mace Windy, who eventually turned into Mace Windu in the prequel trilogy. You're kidding. George Lucas does not throw away any idea by the movie.

sound like it. Now, who was Mace Windy supposed to be? He wasn't a Jedi, right? Mace Wendy was supposed to be a Jedi. I believe he was supposed to be the initial Jedi. Obviously, we know about certain things that, like, Skywalker's were supposed to be star killers. Luke was actually supposed to be the, uh, the Obi-Wan character. And he was supposed to be female, but at one point he was supposed to be the Obi-Wan character. And obviously, Anakin Skywalker was not supposed to be Darth Vader. Yeah, clearly. Yeah. You're That's even evident in the first. And stuff like that.

Yeah. Yeah. And actually little parts of it still kind of pierced through because in that, oh, I guess we're going to now, in that scene between Obi-1 and Darth Vader, he keeps calling him Darth. Like it's his first name or something. Exactly. Not a title in which is a title. Yeah.

Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Upon re-watching this movie, dude, it felt so fucking awkward because some of the stuff just seem so cobbled together later. It's like you knew,

I don't know, maybe George Lucas really did know the whole story from the beginning like he claims. I've heard he claims he knew it from the beginning. Bullshit. When you watch this first fucking movie, like, especially when Luke is like, oh, Leah, she's beautiful.

And you think there's going to be a love triangle? I don't know. Well, we're going to get into that one once we get into Jedi because I also have something for that too, but obviously, A lot of the major plot points for this whole trilogy was not something that, you know, Lucas came up with when he originally wrote these drafts. It can't be, man.

Well, listen, have you guys ever heard this? If you listen very closely during the Moss Isley shootout, that is just say just before the Falcon takes off, there is a brief musical cue from the 70s arcade game Pac-Man. This I never heard. Never heard it before. Never heard that one. Now, this one, Denny, this one you're going to know all about, okay? All right, so the following characters, quote, have a bad feeling about this, unquote.

Okay, Obi-Wan in episode one. Yes. Anakin in episode two. Yes. Obi-Wan also in episode three. Luke in episode four, I believe. Yes, sir, you got it. Han in episode five?

It says here, Han, in episode 5, yes, as well as... And if I remember... Oh, yeah. And I think it's Lando in episode 6. Let's see. I'm still going down the list here. Leah in episode 5. C-3PO in episode 6. Basically, it's a line that's used throughout the whole series.

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. And also, the line is again spoken by Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones in the kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I told you, brother, George Lucas doesn't throw away any of anything. Well, speaking of throwing nothing away,

Denny, would you throw anything away from the original Star Wars? Never. This movie, to me, was the epitome of my childhood. Like, this and Goonies and

back to the future were Staples, and they still holds strong to this day. I remember the first time seeing this as a kid and I was just blown away by it. I just fell in love with Luke. I fell in love with Leah first, most of all. Good save. I fell in love with Leah most at the end when she was wearing at that, at the metal ceremony and

she's wearing that white dress. That's a little low cut and she's got that nice big bun on the back of her head. Right. And that was like ultimate Leah for me. But, you know, you could relate to Luke. You want to be Han. You love Leah. The droids are so awesome in this movie.

You want to be like, you want your own R2D2. You want to have a guiding factor like Ben Kenobi. You got a great physical villain like Vader who just looks so physically imposing. This movie is just, we, we. could talk about how it's kind of cheesy and stuff like that, but all in all, this is a great, like, fun time movie. I don't care what anyone says. And it's a movie that's, you know, that's pretty much shaped a lot of stuff in my life, too. Yeah, I would agree with that. And let me add to that cheesy comment. It may see cheesy to a degree now, but it's because of this movie that people have

built their movies based on that to to make it as good as Star Wars or better than Star Wars. So this is what really kind of started that soup, that space fantasy, super action, you know, heroes you can get involved into and all that. So it's, this was a staple point of what basically I think started it.

Right. Don't say that to Alex Ross, because that guy once said that he wished, Star Wars is more like the Flash Gordon movie in 1980. Oh, boy. Well, listen, Brian, I think you're the, Brian, you're the youngest of us. What are you about 21 or something? No, 37.

I'll take it, though. This is definitely a classic to the point. It stands the test of time because for the time it came out and for me to be able to show my kids now and for them to just be fully immersed in this universe, it says a lot. Right. And there's so many great characters. Okay, if anybody gets confused about my reviews, I love almost all the Star Wars movies, but I just have to point out just the little things that bother me.

Luke is a little bit too whiny in this movie. From the moment he speaks, that what is the line? He was like, but I was going to the Tashi station to pick up the power converter. You know, he has so many whiny moments in this movie that it just, it's funny now. No, no, he's, he is because especially like when him and, you know, he's already whining that Han might be charging them too much for this, this transport off the planet. And then he's whining that the Falcon is a piece of junk. And then he's whining about Han's piloting skills because they're, you know, they're being chased by, uh, you know, an imperial, an imperial ship.

It's like, come on, you know. How old is he supposed to be in this movie? In this movie, Luke is supposed to be 19. Yeah. Okay. That sounds bad, right? Yeah, you might be able to say this because he's young, but it just always He's young and sheltered, basically.

Yeah, and it goes to that. There's just more out there. You know, he's stuck where he is. And he wants to, he wants to experience everything. He wants the adventure. He wants all this out there. And being sheltered and stuck in there, yeah, that can turn anybody into whining. You know, just, oh, I want to do this.

I want to do that. I want to break free. I can understand the whininess of. And at a point, he's kind of beaten down too, not like physically, but like he's a guy who wants to go out and experience all this stuff. And that moment when, you know, Obi-Wan kind of offers it to him telling him, hey, you have to come with me to Alderon. If you, you know, you have to learn the ways of the force if you're to come with me to Alderon on and stuff like, Luke is like, but I can't go.

It's harvesting season. My, you know, Uncle Owen doesn't, won't let me. You know, and he's just making excuses already. Well, he got past that real quick. Yeah. Yeah. He got, he got over his, he got over his aunt and uncle's death pretty quick, too. I think like the matter of minutes.

He was more torn up about Benz death than he was about Uncle Owen's death. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is a very well, very well put together movie. I really like the way that they... I think if you look at it, I'm pretty sure it was supposed to film and be watched, kind of like the old serial type shows like Flash Gordon and stuff like that. Because you kind of get that feeling from the very beginning,

that it's not really making fun of those, but it's sort of like, you know, trying to find a home like that. Yeah, paying homage to them, yeah. Yeah, there you go. But how fucking cool is it when, when Han Solo shows up. I mean, this dude's like the epitome of cool from the very beginning, isn't he? He is.

Let me say one thing. You ask Denny, is there anything you would throw away from this movie? The answer is yes. Every special edition feature thrown into this fucking movie. Throw it out. Throw out Grito shooting first. Throw back in, put Han Solo shooting first back in. You know, it's another thing he could throw back in.

that deleted scene, like, right before they go and meet Han at the table. Han is sitting at the table with this hot little number. Oh, yeah, yeah. And she takes the powder out before they, like, just as they come in. That I would have kept, the show that Han was also kind of like a bit of, you know, a bit of a scally wag and a player. Like, she was doing cocaine at the table? It was 1977, so.

Yeah, yeah. Would she also wear roller skates or what? Well, you know, she was she'll basically. bounces right out the scene as soon as they, you know, Han's ready to conduct business. Okay, shit. Man, I don't even remember that scene in the original. And I saw this one in the theater when it first was... Oh, it's a deleted scene.

It's a deleted scene. Yeah, you got to get on the Blu-ray. Ah, gotcha. Okay. Yeah, that would be right in character with the... That's the Han Solo I know. That's for damn sure. That's the Han Solo we all expected, you know, because we, you know, especially come, like, once he's hitting on Lay, it's like, okay, this guy knows what he's doing.

Yeah, for sure. With that being said, Han Solo is probably my favorite character in the series. No doubt. No doubt. Does the upcoming Han Solo movie scare you guys a little bit? Yes. Yep.

Yes, it does. Because Han Solo, we all love the character, but the thing is about Haunt is that he's a great side character. I don't know if the character is, I don't know if I'd be interested in a full Han Solo movie by himself. And that's what's going to kind of, it kind of scares me because I feel like it might, if they don't get the character right,

it might expose the character as being maybe just a little bit weak or something. And you don't want that to happen. Too human or too caring or whatever. Yeah, because the whole point of Han Solo is you want to kind of keep a little bit of mystery. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, and I love the Lando Calrissian character, but I don't know about you guys. I love community, and Donald Glover was great in that. But in Spider-Man Homecoming, he didn't impress me.

He didn't have a lot to do, though. Yeah, yeah, he just had like a bit part. You could have thrown anybody in that bit part. No shit, that's what bothers you, man. I hope he's good as Lando, but I'm kind of worried about that. I think he'll be awesome. It kind of does bother me still because, you know, it just like, when you see, like, Donald Glover, you know, there's, he doesn't have that kind of smooth and suave demeanor like a Billy D. Williams.

You know, you can't, you can't duplicate Billy D. No, you know. And you can say the same thing about Harrison Ford, too. Exactly. And that's why this Alden Aaron Reich, I don't know. I don't even know who this kid is, to be honest. I believe he was in Hale Caesar, that last Cohen Brothers movie. He was the cowboy. He was the cowboy, right? I'm just really worried of these rumors that they, in the middle of production,

they had to hire an acting coach for him. Oh, shit. Well, that apparently was a problem. That was an issue with Lord and Miller and stuff. It's going to be tough to say if it's that bad because, you know, they fired them halfway through. They brought in Ron Howard. And this is the movie that I thought was going to get pushed back until December again.

But they're making their May, their May 2018 release date. So who knows? Yeah, cool. Opie Cunningham's any of the day. I don't know, man. I mean, look at Ron Howard's career. Has he really made any great films? Yes, yes, he has.

What, I mean, what would you consider his great works of art? I mean, backdraft was very good. Okay. How about Apollo 13? Yeah, Paul 13. I don't remember it that well. Cotton Candy, his first ever movie. movie? Night shift.

Never even heard of it. Cotton Candy was a TV movie. Night shift. The comedy? Is that the one about the... They turned the place into the whorehouse or something like that? Yeah, yeah. You got the Fonz in there. Oh, no.

Michael Keaton. I mean, I loved it. Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton. And that was Ron Howard directed? Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that was this first of a major movie. Yeah, he also did splash. Yes.

That's right. Don't forget, Willow. Willow. Willow. By the way, the best thing about Cotton Candy's first movie, it's about three high school students who decide to form a rock and roll band to enter into their school talent show.

And one of the high schoolers is played by Clint Howard, who's supposed to be 16 years old, but looks like he's about 40 years old at the time. So, okay, so who's Clint Howard going to play in the solo movie? Tough to say, but we know he's in the movie, though, because Ron has confirmed that he is in the movie. So I'm looking up Ron Howard. He directed Coon right after Splash. And then he did gung-ho with Michael Keaton. Oh, Michael Keaton again, sure.

And, yeah, he directed Parenthood? That was a great movie. Actually, you know, since Fitzgerner, Rush, by the way, from a couple years ago, with what's his face. Thor was it also a very good movie. The car racing movie. A beautiful mind. Cinderella man.

Also in the heart of the sea. Yeah, in the heart of the sea. So here's what turned me off when he did the Da Vinci Code novel or the movie versions of those novels. I like those. I like those. I like the first one. Yeah, I was really disappointed, though, because I thought the books were a lot better. That's what turned me off from Ron Howard.

Inferno was horrible, but Angels and Evidence and DaVinci Co is pretty good. The Vinci, yeah, the Vinci Code was good. I think the difference, Lance, on that is you get a lot of explanation in the book. The book doesn't really develop the characters that well. I thought the movie did a way better version of developing the actual characters than the writer did. But a lot of that, he just gives a lot of facts and a lot of knowledge. That's very hard to do in the movie. You're just going to have Tom Hanks standing around just talking about everything he knows,

and that's not really going to work for a movie. So I was okay with that, with a lot of that knowledge, not being interpreted into the movie. Okay. Makes sense. Makes sense. Anyways, what do you guys score this movie since we jumped from Star Wars to Da Vinci Code? Where do I score DaVinci Code? No, Star Wars.

Who went first? Jay was this year? Oh, this is a 10 on 10. That's a given. Ten on 10. you can't Star Wars, the movie that started at all. It's, I love Star Wars so much because of New Hope, because of the characters you fall in love with. Because Danny Seda, he said, you relate with Lou.

You want to be Han. You want to be with Leah. You fear Darth Vader. You long for that, that relationship with Obi-Wan. You know, it's cool to have an R2D with you. Even Chewy, you know, that older brother that could be, you know, your bigger, stronger older brother that you're kind of afraid of. But, you know, it just, there's just so much in here to love that it just captures their imagination of a little kid. And each time you see it, you become that little kid again.

And each time a movie gets close to it, it reminds you that, Guardians of the Galaxy, Rogue One, you name it. And it brings you right back to Star Wars. Nice. Okay. I mean, you can't make 10 out of 10. No. Denny, did you go next? Yeah, so I, you know, just like Jay, I give this a 10 on 10.

This is a movie that changed the game literally. This is a movie that like basically, you know, it blew my mind the first time I saw it as a kid. You know, just like what we're talking about with like the Force Awakens. This movie is if it's it's the draw to the characters that makes this movie. You know, and if these characters didn't work. And that's why it's weird. It's like when you see like some of the people who are up for some of these roles, it's like would this movie still would have worked with like Kurt Russell as Hans Solo or what's his,

the greatest American hero guy as Luke Skywalker. William Cat. William Cat. No, thank you. Or Cindy Williams even as as Princess Leia. It's like, you know, if this movie had other people in it, might not have worked. But, you know, they cast the right people. The story was great.

The movie was fast. and, you know, you just can't beat it. It's a 10 on 10. Nice. Brian, your turn? I'm going to give it a 9.5. This introduced so many iconic characters. One of my favorite characters, like I said, Han Solo is probably one of my favorite

characters, period, throughout movies. And I do take, I just, I can't get over the whiny, the whiny Luke Skywalker. That's why I just lose it just a little bit for me. Jay, you did make a good argument why it would be whiny. It bothers me a little bit. But I'm going to give it a 9.5 is definitely a classic. And I think his, and we'll get into the next movies, I think his growth in empire and especially into Jedi really,

I think really solifies the whininess in the first movie because you're seeing him evolve. You're seeing him grow. Yeah. You're seeing him grow. Yeah. If he was just smart out like asshole thinking he could, do anything from the first, from the get-go, he may not be as, you know, likeable or relatable to it.

So the whininess, that does get a lot of flack from a lot of fans, but I think the other movies justify the reason for that. If it was a standalone movie, I think he would have, Brian would have a stronger, stronger argument on that. Okay. All right. Yeah, so there's three movies that I've shown my, my granddaughters that my wife probably wished I hadn't.

She was kind of like, are you, are you really sure you should be showing them these kind of movies? But these three movies, they've absolutely loved. And one of them was Jaws. And they can't get enough of Jaws, and they love to watch that every chance we get. Another one was the original alien, the Ridley Scott Alien.

And the third one that they like to watch every time I'll put it on is this one, the original Star Wars. Wars. Now, I thought they were going to love episode one more, because it was more modern with CGI and the things they're used to. But 10 minutes into episode one, they were both asleep. So it just kind of goes to show you a classic is a classic, is a classic, you know?

Yes. When you see quality, you know it. And I give this this movie a good strong nine. Easy 9 on 10. So, yeah, I think we're all in agreement. that original Star Wars is worth seeking out for any millennials that are listening to our show that have never seen it? Who am I kidding? Everybody's seen it.

Everybody's seen. All right, well, let's move on to the next one after this, which was 1980s, the Empire Strikes Back. Director Irvin Kershner, also known for James Bond, Never Say Never Again, and Robocop 2. Riders, Lee Brackett, with Lawrence Kasden.

Kazden was also known for Raiders of the Lost Ark and Dreamcatcher. Stephen King adaptation. When Mark Hamill was having trouble with the Dagabai scenes with Yoda, Frank Oz brought in Miss Piggy to make him laugh. Did you guys know that? That we know, yes. All right, one of George Lucas's goals in doing a Star Wars sequel was to become financially independent from Hollywood.

Would you guys think he succeeded in that goal? Yeah, and I think all of us probably helped with that. A little bit. Yeah. All right, so Empire Strikes Back. Brian, this is your favorite one, right? This is my number one Star Wars movie right here. Of course, we got to talk about the iconic reveal of Dark Vader being Luke Skywalker's father.

What? Now wait a minute. Did I miss that part? Yeah, you did. You were to focus on Force Awakens. Okay. Stab. We get the introduction of Landau Calrissium, played by Billy D. Williams.

Our boy, Landau Calyzian. We also get a very awkward scene, especially now watching it later. a lot of brother-sister kissing action going on countless times in this movie and it kind of weirds me out and it just, I don't know, going back to episode four, a new hope,

there's no way that they plan this movie out to be what it was going to be. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Well, we could tell, from, I could tell you for a fact. Okay, so this is what, we know. Okay.

Lucas always had the idea of making a sequel, but he wasn't certain that if, he wasn't certain if the first movie, A New Hope was going to, it's going to be successful enough. He was hoping it was just going to be just successful enough that they would give him, like, a sequel on a very small budget. Okay. So in order to get prepared for that, he had basically, what was the gentleman's name, Alan Dean Foster, coming up with a night. Yeah, he had him come up.

with basically a screenplay for a sequel that could be made on the cheap. Splinter of the Mind's Eye? Exactly. So he wrote Splinter of the Mind's Eye, and that was actually supposed to be the sequel to a New Hope. And that's why there's no Han in this movie, and basically the whole entire movie just takes place in a cave, because you could easily be doing that on a cheap. Sure. And specifically in that book, they really hit home the fact that there is a romantic connection

between Luke and Leia. Wow. And when you read that And when you watch this movie And Yoda actually mentions that there is another Yes, Lucas did have the idea for Luke to have a twin sister But didn't actually Come up with the notion for it to be Leah until much later on

Very interesting That explains all that And for me that makes it okay with all the kissing and stuff like that because knowing that, you know it's not meant to be an awkward moment. You know, it's just if you knew you didn't have a sister and you were kissing on some girls, someone say, hey, you know, that's your sister. Oh, okay, better stop. If that's your reaction, oh, okay, better stop.

I would go, you know, this is also my favorite Star Wars movie of all time. Just kind of like what we, I guess we're going to discuss with another movie. This movie kind of takes the conventional route and kind of twists it's on it. Turn it on it. Turn it on its access and completely does something completely different. Because, you know, we go into a new hope thinking, okay, the characters are all together. So what does this movie do? Splits them apart.

And basically your three leads are apart throughout the majority of the movie. They're only together at the beginning and at the end. You know, we get to see Luce. learn more about the force. We're taken to new planets. They build the better romantic relationship between Han and Leah. And not only that, but the chemistry between Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford. They kind of give it that old school, you know, Bogart and Bacall feel to it, you know.

And there's scenes together, especially my favorite scene of the whole movie, when they're on the Falcon doing the work. And he's kind of like rubbing her hands. she's like, you know, telling him to stop that because he's a scoundrel. And he's like, but you could use a scoundrel in your life. And she's like, but I like nice men. And he's like, I am a nice man. And she's just in it the whole entire time and they kiss. And it's like, it's such a great scene.

And then for C3Pio to come in and wreck it all. Yeah. Perfect. Perfect. It's so well done. You know, I love this movie so much. You know, we get the new characters like Lando. You know, he's so suave, but you don't know.

if you can trust him. I remember the thing that blew my mind, too, is when, you know, C3PO gets blasted away. Oh, yeah. And I remember when I saw that, I started to cry because I thought he was done. We get to meet Yoda. We get to see, you know,

there's so many good things, especially the scene in the cave with Luke and Vader. It just tells so much when Luke finally, like, beheads him. You know, and, you know, his, the helmet explodes and we see Luke's face and you could take it in so many ways and like, you know, it kind of foreshadows that, you know,

if Luke is seeing his face in Vader's mask, that one, that there might be an actual connection between the two, which we do find out. And two, that, you know, if Luke continues to go down this, you know, this path that he's on and, you know, and he doesn't focus on his training, he could become Darth Vader. He could become one with the dark side.

You know, and it's, just so much stuff that it's just like it's it's so mind-blowing as a kid that it's like I remember like when I saw this I was like whoa I couldn't believe it anymore this was like for me like for the longest time this was like the greatest movie ever made completely completely agree I mean they just

there is not a dull moment there is not a slow moment anytime that really slows down this movie everything the music is better you get the imperial mark You get Yoda's theme. You get the Han and Leia love theme. You get the emperor.

You get the emperor. And also, this is the only movie out of the three where the special edition things added to it. They don't bother me. Not one bit. I can watch without it and I can watch with him. And it doesn't bother me at all. I even kind of like to a degree where they put in Ian McDermann or whatever the guy who plays the emperor. Yeah, because at first you had like the.

a little, a little monkey face, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So actually, I was kind of cool with that. And also with the Wampa at the beginning, you actually get to see that thing a little bit better because they couldn't get the original to work very good. So those scenes, I thought they made the movie even a little bit better.

So it's that, on top of that, it's just, it's, you get the reveal at the end, you get the shocker. The bad guys are completely in charge throughout the whole movie. They stay in charge throughout the whole movie. guys, you know, they get by by the skin of their teeth, there really is no victory for them. Exactly. They just escape. That's it. That's kind of what I was

worried was going to happen in the new movie we talked about last week. Yes, it kind of does, but it kind of does because it does, but it doesn't. Hey, hold on, stop the presses here, guys. Stop the presses. You guys have Facebook availability

right now? Yes. All right. Let's real quick, guys, log onto this Benchmedia. fantasy. Look what Art Kelly posted five minutes ago. I have no idea. You guys get to... Someone's going to have to do it. All you listeners who want to put a face to the voice here of our guest, Denny Lewis.

There it is. Danny, can someone send that to me? I don't have Facebook on my phone anymore, and I have no idea what my password is. Oh, no. I got messenger. I'll send it to you from Massachusetts. Okay. I could leave it to fucking art, huh?

Friend of the show, Art, Kelly. Had I known he known he was going to do this, I would have taken a brand new picture just for him. Yeah. All right, sorry to interrupt there, guys. You guys had a marathon talk going, sorry. Are you got a Jay? Yeah.

About timely, huh? This is great. We could have used this last week, but, you know. Time travel. Man. As you were, Jenna. Oh.

Was I talking? I don't have anything to add. We are talking about Empire, yes. Yep. It's a great movie. Not as good as a new hope for me, but damn close. Really? I think this is crazy.

Yeah, I know. I know. I think this is even better than a new hope. Oh, better. I know. Yep. Way bit. And this is the last movie I saw the original trilogy.

I saw the first one on video cassette. Right. And then Empire was not available on video or any other format when Jedi came out. So I went and saw Jedi at the movie theaters. And then it was until a couple of years later when I think it was first released on HBO. That was like the, besides from the movie theater, that was the only way, the first media that you can watch. And I remember my mom let my brother and I stay home from school just so we can watch like the 8 o'clock, 8 a.m. showing or 9 a.m. showing or some shit. And we stay.

knew the Luke, I mean the Luke, yeah, Han was going to get frozen. I knew that Luke was, you know, Vader was possibly, no, no, was his father because I've already seen Jedi and all that. So I, knowing all that and going into Empire and still, you know, exceeding my expectations and still be my number one movie says really a lot for this movie. Who else is next? Is anyone still there?

Yeah, I'm here. So my internet was cutting out. All right. You guys ready for scores? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think everybody's going to be pretty high. Was it me first?

Yeah. Like I said, this is my movie right here. This is 10 out of 10 for me. I think some of the most iconic moments come out of this movie hands down. Exactly. So 10 out of 10. Cool. For me, this movie breaks the rules.

The sequel is better than the original. I'm going to break the rules, 10.5 out of 10. I'm going 10.5 out of 10. You're sure you want to remember a spinal tap at one time? This one goes to 11. Holy fuck. 10 and a half. All right.

First ever 10 and a half on the horror returns. Who's next? I'm with you guys, 10 on 10. This movie, it just kills it with everything. You know, it's like it's the, the pacing never slows down. The characters are even better than they are in the first one. You're just guessing the whole entire time what's going to happen. And, you know, you're left with, you know, one of the first times I remember ever seeing where like your good guys are kind of beaten and scrambling at the end.

But they're still around to fight another day. So to me, this is like one of the best movies I've ever seen in my life. Amen. It's an easy 10 on 10. Strong words. Well, it's no Star Trek 2, The Rath of Khan. No, it's better. It's better.

I will give it a strong eight and a half. Strong eight and a half on 10. Boy, why do I feel like, why do I feel like I'm the schmock here? Because you gave Empire Strikes back at eight and a half on 10. All right. Well, that's what it is. You guys ready to move on? Let's move on.

Let's get on to the final chapter. All right. Return of the Jedi. Director Richard Mark Kwan, also known for Eye of the Needle. And the horror movie, The Legacy. You guys ever seen that one? No. Yeah, the Legacy actually has a place near and near to my heart,

because that was the first horror movie that I ever saw that, I guess I would say, turned me into an absolute horror freak. I don't know if you guys have ever seen it, but it's basically about a group of spoiled, rich, white assholes that go to this extremely nice house to figure out who's going to inherit everything, and they start dying off one by one. The scene that I liked is that there was a chick swimming in the pool, and the pool cover closed on her, and she drowned,

and I just thought that was so fucking sadistic that after that, I don't know, I really got into horror movies after that one, so I enjoy the legacy, if you guys get a little bit of, chance you might want to go back and check it out. Writers Lawrence Kasden and George Lucas. It took six people to work the full-sized animatronic Jabba the Hut. Did you know that, Denny? Yes, and I believe there should be a midget working the tail.

Yes. And in one of the scenes, basically the scene where Leah goes to choke out Jabba, she's wearing some high-heeled shoes. and when she goes to step over his tail, her heel actually broke through the tail and hit the poor little guy on the... No! Leave it to dinner.

That's awesome. Amish the trivia. Big time. Also, another piece of trivia. Some people even speculate that Richard Marquan was actually the second unit director. Really?

Yeah, because George, even though George did not direct this movie, he was there every day making sure Markwan was doing exactly what he wanted him to do because apparently George George had some issues with Irvin Kershner for Empire

because Irv wanted to do things his own way and George did not appreciate that because apparently doing it Irv's way costs a little bit more money than George would have hoped for So was this like a polter guy scenario with Spielberg? Pretty much apparently

and if you listen to interviews George actually does say that Empire is his least favorite of all the movies. And he's in one. I don't think it's because of the story. I think it's because of the personal reasons

behind it. Interesting. Okay. And he was his mentor, was he not? Was he? I think Kersner was a professor of his as well. Yeah. Wow.

So you guys are basically saying that Lucas is like the Jerry Jones of movie producers, huh? Well, I don't know if he's going into prisons and picking out new talent, but yeah. Let's just say George is very hands-on. We can say Al Davis. Okay, fair enough. Just win, baby.

So Indoor is the name of a place in the Bible. It's the village founded biblical Israel's territory of Isikar, where King Saul went on the eve of his final battle with the Philistine. and came across the witch of Indoor. It is also the elvish name for Middle Earth in J.R. Token's Lord of the Rings. And it also was not actually supposed to be in the original movie. Well, tell us about that, man. In the original, I believe one of the original works of the script, this was actually supposed to be Kashik.

Yes. Yeah? Yes. So they were actually supposed to, the final battle was supposed to take place on Chubakas' home planet. Okay. But then I believe Lucas, this is actually legit. Lucas apparently thought it would be, they could sell more merchandise if they kind of shunk the wookies down and turned them into Ewoks. So this is your first basically official case of what's, let's kind of put like, you know, toys in front of the actual movie.

All right. Well, Denny, what did you think about the movie itself, man? This is actually the first ever Star Wars movie I saw. Yeah. And I saw this, yep, this was a, I saw this back in 1984 when I was four years old. I still remember when this movie came out. I was like three, but like still, think of it this way. For all you, you know, post-87 listeners out there, movies used to move a lot slower in cinemas than they do now.

So, Empire, like Jedi was in theaters for a long time. So by 1984, even though the movie had already been out for a year, you know, totally. were still selling hotly. We were still, we still had trading cards being sold for this. I remember those. These movies were still in theaters when, you know, at that time. So I remember seeing this like in 84. I didn't see it in theater. I did see, I think by that point, it was already rolling out on home video. On VHS already, huh? On VHS. And I remember seeing it on VHS. Yeah, back then it took like two or three years to get. You did take two years. Yeah, it could have Okay, so there might have been like 85 when I saw this.

Okay. All right. But I do remember like getting the toys in like 84 and getting the cards in 84. Oh yeah. And all that. Because like my parents never took us to movie theaters and stuff like that. So I didn't see this until like home video. Yeah.

What was the other thing? Oh yeah. So I think this, this movie kind of breaks my heart. It's the weakest of this of the original trilogy. and it's not in a bad way. I would agree. One thing about this movie, and this movie did this to me

for about 20, 25 years always made me sad at the very end. Really? Yeah, because this is basically the final chapter of this story and it's like for the longest time,

we never got to see these characters again. So, you know, that final scene is like, really like kind of like, like what you would I guess what you call like you know your end of the school year party or something you're seeing your friends you're a little kid this is the last time you're going to see these friends of yours damn good cold so even like when you see when I

up until like until like the announcement of like the Force Awakens every time I saw the ending of this movie I always kind of got choked up a little bit because it's the last time we see these characters and then I remember once once they announced the Force Awakens I remember the last time I saw it after, like right before Force Awakens came out, that feeling was gone because it's like, I'm going to see these characters again.

That we might actually, it's probably going to change this time because we're probably going to get some closure with these original, well, like we got closure with one of the original characters at least. So, yeah, this movie was always a little bit sad for me. Uplifting a little bit because we got to see, you know, your main villain, you know,

turn into a good guy. You know, well, he's redeemed at the end. Yeah, we get to see it. Pretty briefly. We get to see an even batter villain with the emperor. Yes, yes. We get to see new locations. We get to see Luke in his full, you know, full Jedi mode.

And we get to see Luke do new things. And not only that, the one thing I loved about this movie, I still kind of do is that sense of uncertainty at the beginning. When we see Luke Skywalker for the first time, after all this, you know, an empire where they're driving home. You know, Yoda's telling him, hey, don't, you know, watch out. The dark side is seductive. It's tempting.

And you have Vader coming after him telling him to join the dark side. I don't know what we see Luke the first time in this movie dressed all in black. All in black, right. The first thing we see him do is use me out too. The first thing we see him do is use a force choke on the Gomorrian guards. And we only had seen Vader do it at that point. And we're like, oh, no, has Luke turned? But no, he hadn't, you know, it's he comes in to save the day.

I'll give you this. This plan that they had to break Han out of Jamba's palace is a bit weird. Because it seemed to, it depended on all of them actually getting captured for some reason. Or that was their audibles. Okay. Captured plan B. Oh shit.

She's captured plan C, you know? Was plan A to get like, was plan A for Lando to get a job at the palace? I think that was, yeah, I think that one stuck. Yeah. And how do you apply for that? too. I mean, do you just, is there, it's like an online thing? Or do you just show up and say, hey,

punch that old lady in the face. And if you do it, oh, shit, you're one of us. Let's go. The other thing, though, was just, uh, all the, the, the wackiness that we see in this movie as a kid, like, seeing, like, you know, Max Rebo's band and seeing a Bib Fortuna, who used to scare the crap out of me as a kid. And he did, it's the eyes. You just scared the, and I remember the first time I saw Max Rebo, I wanted one so badly. I thought like you could just get like, I just wanted like a Max Rebo in my house to play like piano and shit. Definitely a toy cash grab movie, right?

Oh, definitely. Definitely. And that's, and you know, that's another trivia, that's why Han Solo's still alive in this movie is because I think Lucas felt that a dead Han Solo wouldn't sell action figures. Yeah. Harrison Ford actually did want the character, Han Solo and Larry Kasden wanted the character to be killed off in this movie. Correct.

They both thought that, you know, in order to raise the stakes for this movie, one of the leads had to go. Yeah. Because it would really drive home the importance that, hey, this is a war, you know, consequences, you know, there's someone would lose a life eventually,

but, you know, George had his own way and, you know, Harrison stayed. The whole point was of him, freezing him in carbonite in the first movies because they didn't have Harrison locked up. for the third movie or in the second movie didn't have them locked up for the third movie so they froze them in carbonite so if they if harrison didn't come back that was just an easy way to kind of like kill them off yeah well i'm wondering what that would have done to us as kids seeing seeing hans solo go out like that i the same effect it had on you as a 30-something year old yeah yeah good call i was if they did that that, I would always want him to be the one that

when they went into the Death Star and they were, you know, Landon, they were all shooting that thing that they had to shoot. And it wasn't working. Their missiles or lasers weren't working. And Han Solo was like, all right, light speed right to the middle of this motherfucker. Boom! And the Death Star goes. If they were going to kill Han Solo, I would want that to be the way for him to go.

That would have been a good way to go out. Definitely. By the way, one of the best lightsaber. battles ever with Luke and Vader at the end and just seeing Luke, you know, once Vader finds out that Leia's his sister, that, you know, Leah's his sister, and Luke just goes nuts after to take him down was one of the, I remember marking out when I saw that. And it didn't even occur to me that Luke could turn at that point. It's just that he has to protect his sister. Now, getting back to what we're talking about before. So George's intent was to originally have Luke have a twin sister. He just, he just, he just, he just. He just, he's, he's, he's, he's, he Just the whole purpose was he actually wanted to introduce a new character to be the sister and have Luke fight her at the end of the movie instead of fight Vader. Oh, wow. But the problem won't. It would have changed everything.

And the thing was that by this point, George was already tired of making these movies. Because don't forget along the way George is saying, we're going to make a Star Wars. We're going to make Star Wars until the end of time. He was saying they were going to make a Star Wars up. until like 2012 or something like that. Wow. And by this, after this point,

he was already tired of making these movies. So he really wanted to wrap it up. So he thought after a while, it's going to be pointless to introduce a brand new character in this movie. But we left this thing in that there is another. So who could we make another? Well, we have Princess Leigh here.

Let's just make her his sister. Boom. Yeah. How lazy, huh? It was just a way to kind of to tie up a loose end without, you know, kind of introducing a new character. So that's why we have... And it makes a new hope all the creepier in certain scenes, right? Yeah, and the scene in...

Technically, it makes Empire more creepy. Yeah, because that was a passion of case. Empire is the full kiss on the lips. You know, at least with a new hope it's a peck on the cheek for good luck. Yeah, yeah, a sister can do that actually to a brother, you know. Oh, man. How did you guys feel about the Ewks? as a kid we will i watched it as a kid so i was i was fine with that i mean i think they're a little

underrated they're yeah really savage in this they wanted they tried to eat them at the beginning when they first after them and if you if you watch if you watch the whole battle at the end they are pretty brutal they're just beating down stormtroopers with clubs and rocks and Yeah. Not only that. You know they ate some of those stormtroopers at the end. Oh, hell yeah. We kind of know for a fact that they did it thanks to these forces of destiny little cartoons that they have coming out now from Star Wars, where they focus on the female leads.

There is an episode on Endor where Leah tells them, no, don't eat these guys. They're prisoners now. Kind of leave them alone. And also, another little fun fact, I don't know if you, did you guys ever watch any of these little episodes? No, I've never even heard of this. I don't even know what you're talking about. I've heard one. So for like Disney kind of decided to put like the focus on the female characters.

They're releasing these little cartoon shorts. They're about two minutes each. They're called Forces of Destiny where they focus on each one of the female characters that had. So you have episodes with Padmae. You have episodes with Asoka. Have episodes with Leah. Okay. The episode that focuses just at the end of the Battle of Endor once the battle is one has

Harra Sandula in it. So we know now for a fact because it's canon. Hera from Rebels actually survives all the way up until the Battle of Endor. Oh, actually, they mentioned her. Yeah, and they also mention her

in Rogue One as well. They mentioned her in Rogue One, but in the forces of episode, Destiny, there is a scene with Hera and Han. Oh. With the ghost and the Falcon part side by side. That's cool. So that was a nice little touch for that.

And it's canon now because it's all Disney. Yeah? Where can you get these episodes? Is it just on Disney XP? You can find them all on YouTube now. Oh, okay. Oh, cool.

I don't give a shot. And as, uh, what is it called again? Uh, forces of destiny. Okay, I'm going to check those out. But the thing also with the, uh, with the Ewks, because you're talking about with the savage. So that's something that always bothered me as a kid, too, was the fact that, like, at the end, when they're all celebrating, we're just seeing the stormtrooper helmets

there and they're just playing them like their drum. what happened to the person who was inside. Exactly. And Landos dancing at the end of this movie kind of bothers me as well. And this is another moment where I think that the added stuff actually does work because you get blinking eyes now

with the Ewarks. Oh, yeah. Dead cold look they have in the original version. Kind of like Chuckie. You know what else? You know what really doesn't work about this, the new, the new edition of Jedi?

Hayden Christensen's Force Ghost? I was just going to ask that. Do you guys? You guys like the original or the new one? I prefer the original. Yeah, like I said, this was my son's

first viewing and when everybody shows up his force goes at the end, he was like, who is that? And I was like, well, that's North VIII. He hasn't seen the prequel's. So he was like, really confused. And then I tried to explain it. And then he was like, well, if he

died, why did he come back as his younger self? And it, I don't, I don't even know how to explain it. I think because that, that's Anakin. There is no Anakin after the battle with Obi-1 Canobi. So if it's the ghost of Anakin, what is the last interpretation of Anakin was when he was young? That's, I don't know if that's the real answer, but I think that's what Lucas was going for. Well, that's not what bothers me most about that scene. It's the fact that, uh, and if you guys remember,

Or the wrong outfit? No, that too. But if you remember the original scene with Sebastian Shaw, they're all looking off in the same direction. So they're all kind of, their bodies are all kind of pointed at one thing. And in this one, it almost seems like Hayden Christensen is looking directly at the camera. And he's doing like this kind of look where he, he, let's be honest. He looks a bit like a sexual predator in this scene. Because he's got like this weird.

I didn't get that. He's got like this weird look where he's kind of like looking at you like he's, he's, He's got his head down a bit, so it's almost like he's looking at you. Nobody could see it because this is not a video podcast, but if you go in and look at it, he's kind of looking at the camera in a very weird way that kind of always makes me uncomfortable when I see it. Super creepy, huh? Exactly. He looks like a very creepy individual in that scene.

And it always bothers me to see it. I would much rather see Sebastian Shaw back there. I'm looking at you, big boy. Go on back, though. did Darth Vader really do a lot to redeem himself, though? He did fulfill the prophecy at the end. All he did was though the emperor. He killed the emperor for his son.

That doesn't redeem all those people he killed. Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, he was supposed to originally bring balance to the fort. I mean, you could say he argued he did it twice because, you know, at the end of Revenge of the Sith, there was hundreds of Jedi Knights, and there was only two Sith. and by the end of Revenge of the Sith, there's two and two.

By the end of Empire, now there's only one because it's just Luke now. So in reality, at that point, there is balance to the force. He brought balance. Because a lot of people tend to think, no, Luke was the chosen one of the proxies. It's like, no, it was Anakin, and he fulfilled it to a team. Yeah, nope, agree with you. 100% on that. Okay.

And the fact that, like, I still one of my favorite scenes is at the beginning of the movie when Vader gets on to the, you know, to the Death Star. telling them they have to, you know, hurry up and, you know, and the guy's like, well, we need more men. And Vader's just like, we'll tell that to the emperor yourself. And he's like, he's coming. And he's like, yeah, we'll double our efforts. And then Vader's just like, be sure that you do because the emperor is not as forgiving as I am.

Oh, yes. I always thought that was so badass. And it's such a great line. Because we were talking about with this last year with Rogue One, because you guys weren't a fan of the don't choke on your aspirations line. And it kind of reminded me of this. it's, I always like it when Vader could get like a little joke, but not like, it doesn't have to be ha-ha.

It should be more like funny. It is in a way I'm going to kill you. Yeah. You know, laugh at my joke because I'm going to kill you moment. Yeah, I kind of like the don't choke in your aspiration line. I thought that was pretty cool. I never had a problem with that.

Somebody did, I remember, though. Well, no, it wasn't me. I think it was Philip. Phillips not here. So, yeah, this is Blaine Phillips. Yeah, that was Philip. Goddam it, Philip. You guys ready to score this one?

Let's score this one. Okay. Because I'm looking at our calendar here, Brian, and I'm desperately trying to figure out what we're doing next week. So we're going to have to make this a decision by committee, I think. Okay. All right. So anyway, talking about what?

What were we talking about again? Our scoring are Return of the Jedi, which was originally, by the way, another piece of trivia was supposed to originally be called Revenge of the Jedi. Yes, that I remember. And you could still get a poster for that, you could still get a poster of that original print. I was so much more looking forward to that one,

but, you know, maybe that's a movie that'll never be made, right? No, because Jedi don't take revenge. Yeah, yeah, Revenge of the Sith. Yeah. And they figured Jedi don't take revenge. Nah. All right, he's first.

I'll go first. You know, this was the weakest point of the trilogy. for me. It's still a good movie to me but it's still a little sad that it was the last of the trilogy. Especially because we wanted to see the adventures of these characters again. We did. And all we really

got were like, you know, when George announced he was making another trilogy and we were all excited, it's like a prequel trilogy. It's like, well, I don't really want to see the prequel character. I don't want to see young Obi-Wan or something. We got it and I enjoyed it. Yeah. But I really wanted to see the adventures of Luke Han and Leah again.

We didn't get it And you know This was the last of the trilogy at that time I'd give this one maybe A 7 on 10 Oh, that's kind of brutal, man Yeah, yeah So this is no Force Awakens

You gotta up it up a little For me, it's Yeah, it is definitely the weaker of it I think it had to do with I think Denny hit it on there It was like it was just time to wrap things up And you do a lot of a loose ends Cut a loose end

With Leah being, you know, the brother or the sister. In 2017, she might be the brother. Yeah, there you go. You can't say that's a whole other, a transgender Star Wars, right? Transcender gender wars. But for me, I'm going to go,

I'm going to go solid eight on ten. Oh, not too bad. Not bad. You going to go ahead? No, go ahead, Brian. I was going to say, I'm right there with you, Jay. I'm going to give it an eight. it's not the best one in the trilogy but

I have a lot of fond memories from watching this a couple of scenes we didn't bring up one that always stuck out for me as a kid was the speeder bike through the wood scene I really enjoyed that scene and I really I really liked the battle at the end with the Ewarks

like I brought up my reasons my argument for the Ewarks and I'm gonna give it an eight cool yeah I'm kind of in the middle I'll go seven and a half I mean for me it was I mean, hell, it's still Star Wars

any way you look at it, but maybe a little too cutesy. A little too much of a money grab with the toys and all the different characters and the, you know, bizarre-looking creatures that you could make action figures into and that kind of thing.

And plus, another fucking death star. You know, I mean, we're just argument all the time, but I don't know. I have a theory. Denny has a theory. I have a theory on that. I'm all ears. If you're going to create the most powerful weapon in the galaxy,

why just stop at one? I think at the time that they were, I still think at the time that they were building, that they finished building the first Death Star, they were already working. They probably already building the second Death Star. And I think there may be, and I still think there may be others that they don't know about.

Ah, I guess we're going to find out. Hence, like Star Killer Base. And I think there might be another planet just like that. Oh. I can be on board with that. One other thing I wanted to add about this, I think this had the space battle at the end. I think it was the best space battle of the original trilogy.

Now, the space battle going on, the Death Star, was cool. You didn't really get a lot in Empire. It was more of chasing the Falcon. But this one, I think they went balls out on space battles. The fight of the Death Star was way better than New Hope and a lot more in Empire. So Jedi does have that one scene that stands out. Jedi does have a few scenes in it that, you know, George spends all this time touching up on a lot of stuff. There's a few scenes in Jedi that I wish.

There's one in particular that I wish he would have touched up. And that's the scene between Han and Lando, where he gives, Han gives Lando the falcon. Yeah. I have that very faded matte painting in the back that Lando has to kind of walk into. Sure. I wish he would have updated that to make it look a little bit more. nicer. Yeah, yeah, good call.

Kind of like a Star Trek Original series scene, huh? Yeah. All right, cool. So I think we've, we still all recommend it, right? I mean... Of course.

We recommend anyone to watch all these movies. I'd recommend watching Star Wars over than starting a family. Come on, now. Come on. Oh, wow. Strong work, man.

All right. Well, listen, we want to Thank everybody for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. You know who Denny is. You know who Jay is. I'm sure they'll be on plenty more. Brian, you may have this all mapped out better than I do, brother. But considering this show is coming out Christmas weekend when we're not really recording,

we've got dude bad between Bright, the shape of water, the best and worst of 2017. Brian, I'm lost, dude. I think for sure you guys are going to get our top best and worst of the year show.

And Bright might end up being a bonus episode. I think we were going to do wish upon with that one because we're going to have a guest on that because I completely hated that movie. And I think our guest is going to come on and argue for that movie.

I'm supposed to be the deciding factor on that one, right? Yeah, and the shape of water, if it becomes, if it gets released, a wider release, then we're definitely going to do that, but it's not for sure when that's going to happen. Okay. And we've also got a really good friend of the show that, Denny, you know, you know this guy really well. I think he even voted for him, right, Pedro? Yeah, I know him very well. Normally when he's around me, he's got a nice shovel to bury me with.

He's been on the After Midnight podcast numerous times, actually. Actually, there's all the people, if you go back and listen to the show, check out his episodes, a lot of good ones where we talk about La Yorona. We did the They Live movie commentary. We discussed the Hollywood pedophiles, Washington pedophiles. A lot of good stuff. He's a very intelligent man. you guys should have them on a lot more often too. Very knowledgeable about movies as well.

Okay. Well, our good friend Pedro Nenez, according to him, Denny, and I have no reason not to believe him, he watched 255 new horror films in 2017. Wow. I would not doubt because he does watch a lot of movies. Okay. So to not have him on for some kind of a best-of, worst-of would almost be criminal, right? Well, it depends what your definition of criminal is.

Well, we've got to have a heel on from time to time, right? If you want him to be healed, just tell him you saw me one time with my hat tilted a little bit to the side and we'll be off to the races. You get two hours just on that. I know the week after next we're going to work in the last key, right? Insidious, the last key? Yes. All right.

So maybe we can get him to come on. but also maybe give us his top, top and bottom 10 or something? Yeah, that would be cool. Is that like a plan? All right, Pedro, if you're out there and if you can hear us, hopefully you'll accept that invitation, we can get you on. But in the meantime, in memory of the poor dearly departed Snoke, until the horror returns again.

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