The Horror Returns - THR - Ep #84: Insidious (2010) & Insidious: The Last Key (2018) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: August 16, 2022

This week, Pedro Nunez joins us to talk some Insidious. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= SK8ER Nez Podcast Network https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

victims for those of you delight and dread who fantasize about fear, who glorify and go. Welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers in the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. All of you who delight in dread fantasize about fear and glorify gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves that the horror never ends. And this week it didn't. But more on that later, right, Pedro? That's right.

Each episode we seek out a review a brand new horror movie And then we go back and find a classic work with similar themes We're going to include spoilers for the new film But we're going to wait until the very end If you guys don't want to hear it Just turn us off when you hear the spoiler alert And you won't miss a thing And we generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film

So we're always going to spoil anything that has been out for at least one year The other thing we're going to do is use some four-letter words this is a horror podcast so fucking get used to it if you're listening you're going to hear some fucks some shits a couple of other words as well I'm sure and uh

gotta throw a cut in there that's always a good one you don't hear it very often uh you're on this show in America I'm Lance that was Philip Brian's here

and uh our good friend Pedro's bag man from Kay Fabulous Lucha brothers what's up how's going on you tell us man what's up oh nothing just um you know when it comes to horror that's that's my that's my jam right there so i really uh i hit you guys up on this one i was like let me go ahead and get on there and uh talk a little bit about my favorite horror films of the year and you were like cool and that's what we're at right now well what do you guys uh for for we got a few new listeners that we picked up

over the last uh month or two i i think the last time you you were on was maybe three months ago we did the horror films of Mexico, right? Yeah, was that three months ago? Wow. Time flies, man. Yeah. But what... No, I was going to say, I do recall we were watching the...

What we're talking about, the trailers for that, for that particular episode, and I remember it was the temple, memory, and I believe Red Christmas. Now, did any of you guys ever catch any of those three films? These two saw on Red Christmas. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, we did a show on Red Christmas. Okay, well, Red Christmas was very, it was kind of very political there at the end, which was weird. I mean, the entire message of the movie was kind of a right-wing kind of message about, you know,

well, I'm not going to spoil it because it's still kind of a new movie. But it just got weird at the end. And it's, it had a decent opening, but the ending was just kind of weird. and it left me with kind of a bad taste in my mouth. But I did get to check out Re-Mory and the Temple. Remember the thing about Rememory, the big joke out of that episode, Peter Gately.

Yeah, but we're wondering if anybody was ever just going to get that pink elephant out of the way, right? We were saying, like, if they were going to ask them. And if I remember correctly, they do actually use that. They do say, you know, he's a little person, so they do bring it up. Just like it was a decent thriller. I mean, you kind of knew, if you watched these kind of films, you kind of knew where it was going from the get-go, and it was kind of by the numbers. But I still had fun watching it. Now, the Temple, I mean, that was just, it was just horrible.

I didn't really like it at all. And, you know, it just one of those generic video on demand by the numbers kind of film, and that's it. That's pretty much I got to say about it. So I did get to catch those later on, and that was pretty cool. Yeah, I know Red Christmas and Temple are both. Netflix right now. Oh, okay, cool. So hell, if you don't have to pay for it,

you would, you would at least recommend people check it out if they got Netflix anyway, right? Yeah, exactly. Any genre film with a budget? Because, you know, do you guys have Amazon Prime? Yes. You know, they throw every single kind of fucking shit on there. Like, like, garbage.

Like, I'm talking about basement horror. That's what it's really called. And it's like, fuck. Like, you see some of this shit and you know it was shot like a, it's like a graduate film trying to get a degree in show. You're like, God damn it. And once you press play, you're kind of stuck with it. And you're like, well, let me see where the first 15 minutes take me.

And you know, they're going to take you nowhere, but you still give it a shot anyway. And it's like, fuck. But, you know, Netflix is a little better with their selections. And, you know, they deal with films that have a little more of a budget. So if you do get a chance to watch horror movies that are like made by actual professionals, then go ahead and watch them. The tempo, remember. Go ahead and watch.

They're pretty good. So listen, for the people listening that don't know how to find your podcast, where are you guys at? What do you cover? Like, what have some of your most recent shows been? Well, we cover professional wrestling, if that's your thing. But we have a gimmick. We have a whole, this whole idea of the Kay Fabulous Lucha Brothers came about when me and my buddy Big D, who's kind of, his name is Geekdom 101 on YouTube.

we were getting together and we would always talk about these podcasts coming up. This is about five years ago. And how they're all kind of like, they're all sticking the muds. And we're like, they're just covering men and tights. You know, they're little talking about wrestlers, men in fucking tights. And they do it so fucking serious. You know, they get so analytical about it. And I'm like, we should do something where we look at the humorous side of wrestling

because there's a huge section of wrestling that's pretty goddamn humorous. because it's a little bit low brow, but it's also, it lacks self-awareness, and sometimes there's comedy in that. And so when you kind of get involved with that, there's a lot of potential there for some good content. So we kind of became a parody of,

like, what an analytical, you know, straight fucking to the nose wrestling podcast would be. And there's a lot of them out there. And so we got, we've kind of developed this little cult following. And so,

so yeah, it's called Kay Fabulous. Lucha Brothers and we're on Geekdom 101.com. And the thing about us is that we're very, very un-PC. And that's one of the, we always knew we're going to get a limited audience because of that. Like, for example, when we talk about the female wrestlers, you know, we're not talking about their skill, if you know what I'm saying, you know. So it's, it could get, it could kind of get very un-PC for a lot of people, especially

now we live in a very PC world. But again, we're characters. I mean, I'm a character. on there. My partner's a character on there. And the fans of the show understand that. But somebody that's coming to a cold might be very, very insulted by some of the shit we say, you know, but anyways, that's the show.

And we are on Geekdom 101. We did, we got a year in review coming up. We talk about the entire, the entire year in professional wrestling that was 2017. And then before that, we had our special alphas and beta show

covering, so we get all these wrestlers, and we'll tell you, if they're either alphas or they're betas, you know, in other words, either real men or they're fucking pussies. And what we do there is we kind of get every wrestler and, you know, we kind of dove into their personality, you know, some of the

thing that's come out of, about them in real life. And so pretty much that's what we do. And then we put you either in the alpha category or in the beta category. And that's, we kind of go, and it, again, it's very, you know, un-PC, but we just have fun with it. Cool. Well, then, I'll tell you what,

speaking that that goes right into what I was going to ask you about next man speaking of uh 2017 in general I understand you saw a lot of horror movies right yeah yeah I did and um geez I like I was telling you all fair I think I saw just about any all of them I mean I don't think anybody could come at me right now and just uh tell me a film that came out this year that I haven't seen and that's either that's either embarrassing or that or good depending on what we stand here I just had a lot of time in my hands this year and um which is not going to be the case in 2018, because I'm going to be a little busier, but I did get the chance to kind of watch a shit ton of horror films. So you got some standouts? We're doing like our top and bottom next week. So you got a top and the bottom or what?

I have a, well, I have just kind of a top ten here. Okay. So, and there are in no particular order. These are just the films that kind of just stood out to me. I'm going by, gut instinct here. The ones, you know, the ones that we really appreciate, we kind of still think about, you know, six, seven, eight months down the road. So that's kind of how I base my list here. So the first one that I saw, and again, a lot of these films, because as you guys know with the horror genre, with distribution and the festival circuit, some of these films are, you know, they had a 2016 release date, but they really became available in 2017. So I know there's a lot of, you know, horror, hifurionados that are kind of snobes. when it comes to that and it's like I'm just going to go by when I saw them and as long as they

were releasing between 2016 and 2017 because a lot of the times again if they're doing the festival circuit like the technical release date is when they're in the festival circuit not when they're available to us so that could be you know like like there was this film that came out this year called the Black Coast daughter do you guys get to watch it no I've heard of it some people love it and some people need it okay so Hermione in it right yeah so that film came out, it's the actual date where it supposedly says it came out was like 2015 or 16,

but it actually just became available to watch like less than a year ago. So it's like there, you start to understand how like the dates could be a little misleading sometimes. So anyways. So the first film I saw was a Spanish film.

I believe it was from Spain called the Similars. Have you guys heard of this film? I've heard of it. They talked about it on a horror news radio. Okay. I didn't know about that. Is that a podcast?

Yeah. Yeah. It's a podcast that Brian and I've been listening to for a long time. Is it people that like take the form of other people like change, change their look, change their face or something like that? Yes. Yes, it is. And it's very, it's a film from not from the United States. which could be very artsy, you know, artsy or whatever.

And it's kind of like a 90-minute Twilight Zone episode. And it's an incredible fucking film. It's, I'm just going to, there's about these people that are stuck in a train station. So already kind of the narrative kind of gives you this claustophobic feeling. And, you know, of course, there's a thunderstorm going on outside. And then you have this weird kid, kind of like the kid from like the Twilight Zone episode, where he turns people to the cornfield and shit. Yeah, of course.

And this kid has these weird powers. And from there, that's where the story kind of picks off. I'm not going to spoil it. But, you know, you have maybe like six or seven characters stuck in a train station or a bus station, I forget. And you have this kid with these weird powers. And that's where I'll leave it. But it was an incredible film the way it was shot. It's in black and white.

But that's for aesthetic purposes, not because not for budgetary reasons. and it's just, it's so creepy. It's very fucking creepy. And one of the, I always felt like one of the things that makes horror films great and something that rarely gets talked about is the creep factor in a horror film. Like everybody, everybody gets so concerned about the scares, right? Everybody wants to build up to the scares, but nobody ever does anything atmospheric anymore where the entire picture is, like, surrounded by this weird, creepy, like, you know, scope, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, I kind of missed that, and the similar has that.

So if you guys could watch that, check it out. I think it might be streaming on either Netflix or Amazon Prime. I forget where, but definitely check it out. Cool. Yeah, I heard a lot of good things about it. The next one that I really enjoyed, number two, would be the Balco experiment. Did you guys see that? Yeah.

Brian? Yeah. What did you think, Brian? I really enjoyed that one. No, no, this film wasn't breaking any. new ground, it just reminded me about, A, how these kind of films rarely get theatrical distribution anymore,

and I kind of appreciated that. And B, I just, it was just a fun time, man. It was, it was just seeing all these characters in one setting, which is pretty much in this building. And with this limited runtime, the director

kind of found a way to kind of give a little scope to a lot of these characters, you know? And again, there was a lot of, you know, one-dimensional characters as well, but I just really, I just really like the way the filmmaker used his time with, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the characters and the limited time that he had. And again, just, um, it was like battle royale kind of like in a, in a condensed building, um, kind of, kind of like Laura the flies a little bit as well. So it was a good time, man. It just made me

appreciate these kind of films. Because when I was growing up, we used to get these kind of films all the time. Now, you know, you got to have a hundred million dollars to get a theatrical run. You know, these kind of days are over. But this one for, whatever reason got a theatrical run and so I appreciated it for what it was and I haven't revisited this one on home media maybe maybe that my rating will go down a little bit

because it was a lot of it was the setting that I saw it in but this one definitely left an impression on me yeah our friend Kevin it was his favorite movie the year or his favorite horror movie the year really? Yeah he put it at number one now did you see Pedra did you see a movie called Mayhem

Yeah Kind of similar, right? Well, as far as the setting, yeah, but I think Maham was a little wackier, you know? I agree. There was more comedy. Another film that I really enjoyed was a film called Demon.

This is a Polish film, and it's directed by a Polish filmmaker called Marcyn Rona. Did you guys get to catch the film demon? Uh-uh. No, I hadn't seen it. Okay, that one I believe is, yeah, that one's not available either. So pretty much demon deals with a guy who's about to get married,

and you know, you have the whole marriage thing, the whole marriage, you know, the party or whatnot. Right. And his friends are saying, don't do it, man, don't do it. She's a demon. Tipy-toe. It's like saving Silverman or what? No, it's not like that.

Or my real life. Just put it that way. I'll leave it at that. So the thing is, so this guy's about to get married. And where he's going to have the reception, it turns out that that place is kind of possessed by a demon, you know,

and so the demon kind of takes over him. So the rest of the film is him trying to kind of like keep this demon inside of him while still trying to go through with his wedding. And so it's a, It has some dark comedy, you know, but it actually could be very scary in some parts. So people haven't checked out Demon. Go ahead and check it out because it's definitely, it'll definitely leave an impression on you. And again, it's an international film.

They always tend to have a little bit more of a punch because I feel those kind of filmmakers have a lot of more artistic freedom to tell us whatever they want to tell us. So there you go. You have Demon as well. another one that I saw was Cabin 28. Now Cabin 28 was kind of a low-budget film. Okay. It deals with, it's based on a true story, and it deals with this family that was murdered many years ago

in the aforementioned Cabin 28. But what I like about, and it's more of a home invasion kind of film more so than actual, which for a lot of people could be even scarier than ghost or demons or whatever. So, but there is a couple of scenes there that really stood with me in this film. Particularly, there's this scene where this guy kind of knocks at the door trying to get inside the house and this young girl is kind of, you know, she's scared. So she doesn't want to open the door, but there's this conversation between the two of them that really kind of creep me out because of the fact that, you know, it was like one in the morning and you have. somebody coming at your door trying to kind of, you know, that whole deal where somebody will knock

at your door like I went in the morning trying to use the phone because they're stranded outside, that whole aspect of it. Yeah. So the same thing here. And this conversation went on for about a good four minutes of the film, but it was so creepy and actually very intense because the way the filmmaker made that, he kind of made you feel for this girl. And he kind of did a good job on trying to put you into her her periphery as far as what she's going through. And it really kind of scared me as this conversation's going on, especially because the guy had a more rugged kind of voice going on. And you could just see his shadow with a hoodie, which made it even, you know, more scarier. So I'll just leave it at that, but that was one of the ones that left an impression on me. So that's Cabin 28.

I'm going to check it out. Is it on Netflix or anything? I don't know. That one, I don't know. I think that one I saw, you know, through certain means. I guess I'll just leave that. Isn't that how the human centipede started? I don't think I'll ever ask anybody for a phone in middle of the night. That sounds crazy. Yeah. It's funny because that concept going to somebody's house in the middle of the night asking for a phone, it could work either way. You could be the victim by being the one that's asking for the phone or you could be the victim by the one that's letting

people use your phone. Either way... I just don't want to get tied to somebody's ass is all I'm saying. Yeah, so, okay, so then the next one was better watch out. Did you guys get to... I know you guys, I know one of you guys had a... Yeah. Yeah. I really liked it.

No, I still haven't seen it. I'm hearing great things about it. Oh, okay. Because... Oh, no, I loved it. I loved it. Yes. Okay, so that one, I'm not going to say anything because as Brian knows, the more you say,

the less is going to, you know, it's very, uh, spoilery, if you know what I'm saying. So I've already, I've already heard it all, brother. I've heard all the spoilers, man. Yeah, but maybe Phil hasn't. So I got to, you know, I got to watch out for it. Maybe. Maybe our listeners haven't, right? So, or the listener.

It's probably not going to happen. Sorry, guys. So the thing is, again, there's a great twist. When I first saw this twist in this film, like I thought it was so fucking clever. You know, you know, sometimes you're watching a film, you know, and you see a certain twist or something or a certain kind of a scene or whatever,

and you're like, God damn, that's so obvious. Why didn't I think of that? You know what I'm saying? But it's so obvious. Like, that's such a great turn. Um, there's a little bit of, the only thing that kind of, this movie kind of gets kind of dumb towards the end because some of, some of the things the, I guess you could say the villain does are kind of, uh, you know, you just want to, you're going to choke the bastard, you know, I saw, you know, and so it's like, come on, you know, but. So I really like better watch out. The less than about it, the better. Everybody should definitely check it out. I thought it was very original. Um, I don't know how it holds up after repeat viewings, because part of the impact is that initial twist. And then after that, it kind of turns into. to a kind of a home invasion movie.

But other than that, it's pretty fucking good, and people should check it out. Another one I saw was Super Dark Times. Have you guys checked that one out? No, that is on Netflix right now, though. Oh, you should definitely see. That one's very, very dark. And that one's kind of...

Well, it's about this group of kids. And it's one of those kind of artsy-farty kind of films that kind of takes its time, kind of showing you the characters. yeah you could call it that um these kids kind of uh fucking around they they kind of uh they get into trouble let's just say that and from there the way they kind of uh deal with their consequences of getting into trouble you kind of delve into all these three kids personalities and then it kind of builds to the third act where like shit hits the fan and and you know certain kids were able to handle their trauma better than the other kids and then shit happens. And what I like about this film is that it kind of gives you that suburbia kind of amblin entertainment kind of beginning with the kids and the fucking the bites and the, you know, the little, you know, it has a very stranger things dash it remake kind of kind of vibe to it. But then it gets very fucking dark and kind of very adult, you know, like I don't think this kind of film would ever be released in the theater by a big studio because it just, where it goes, it kind of, that's not, that's not what they do. so again uh it's called super dark times and it's if it's available for streaming on

netflix then people should definitely check it out because that's that's that's that's a great fucking movie if you're into that kind of uh kind of like you know slow pinning of the layers kind of kind of film um i'm writing that one down right now that sounds good i just put it at my netflix queue and then and then uh the last one i'll talk about is uh and one of the one of my favorite films of the year is uh the film called m f a did you guys ever watch that one No, I've seen the trailer. Educating us here, man. I don't even know what that is.

Well, so MFA is pretty much, it's pretty much a, it's kind of like a revenge flick. It's, it's essentially this chick, you know, who's, uh, whose name is Francesca Eastwood. And I've seen her a lot of lower budget. She's been propping out. That's Clint. That's Clint Eastwood's daughter. And boy, is she fucking smoking? Come on, dude.

Oh, yeah, but she's got some very disturbing eyeballs at the same time. That's right. I can look past that. Oh, I could, too. Don't get me wrong. Ain't nobody going to get kicked out of bed if she comes around. I'll tell her that right now. Clean-equit eyes.

I bet she stares you down like a motherfucker. I think she got those eyeballs from her mother because King Isworth does not have those kind of eyeballs like that big. And so essentially she, you know, it's typical by the, the numbers revenge film you know uh i spit on your grave style sure um but but the thing is that with this one she kind of uh it's more of delving into her psychological trauma before she ended up getting assaulted so essentially um she she gets assaulted you know she goes out for revenge uh and then from there it kind of just everything kind of uh it's it's that whole idea of like you know

when you take revenge on someone, everybody gets hurt, including the person taking revenge, you know, that's the ultimate message of the film. So it just, it just is very brutal, and it's something that,

that stayed with me when I watched it. And so that's another one that I recommend. And it's called MFA. And I think that one's also streaming somewhere. I think I saw it. Anyways, I guess I didn't, but I was looking for it, but I guess it's not there.

So that's pretty much it, This are my favorite films of the year. I also liked Happy Death Day. Did you guys get to watch that one? Yes, love that one. All right. So, yeah, I mean, Blumhouse rarely, if ever, do they have a bad film. And actually, both the Belko experiment and Happy Death Day were both part of the Blumhouse family.

I saw another film called Ride, with the spelled R-Y-D-E. Did you guys get to catch that one? No. No, dude. You're blowing us away, man. Okay, well, ride. That's about this cab driver. And I think that one had a, that one had a French release, but it's in English for some reason. So that's weird. It's about this cab driver who ends up picking up his wife. It's one of those films that takes, it all takes place in a car, which is very hard to do. Kind of like that film with Tom Hardy. I forget the name of it. But he had a fucking...

And then there was a wheelman that came out this year. Oh, yeah, Wheelman. But Wheelman... I only saw the first half of that one, but I remember there was other filming locations, but I could be wrong. It started out in the car. I think like maybe the third act was...

Some of it was outside the car. Yeah, so pretty much with Ride, what happens is that this guy who knows that his wife was unfaithful on him he picks up this this customer or client

to give him a right he's a cab driver and then from there you know pretty much it's the game of cat and mouse how like the driver is giving a ride to the guy that's kind of fucking his wife

you know and then and then but it's the way the way things pick up you know and later on the wife also up in the car. So it's a pretty good little, you know, no pun intended ride, you know. So people should definitely check that out. And that's another great movie.

I just appreciate how they were able to tell us a compelling story. And it's not very long. It's like, you know, 70 minutes or something. But it all takes place in a cab, you know, it's pretty much. So that's pretty much it, man. That's a hell of a top ten list, man. Like top ten movies that you've never. ever fucking seen before.

That's what I do, man. I kind of go down deep in there. I mean, you know, you're going to have your, what is it, your get-outs and, you know, everybody's top ten. And that goes without saying. That was a great film. But I kind of wanted to give people something that I felt they probably had never seen before. No, I loved it.

I'm, like, writing stuff down as a list of things to watch later. Yeah. Was there anything you absolutely just hated this year? Yeah. Yeah. I was to get to it right now. Oh, okay. It's just a little bit because...

Well, we're not done. Well, I'm talking about what I saw, what I just literally just saw right now, like, like... I know, right? I was like, what year is it? Oh, that's the same. Oh, man. I'm trying to make a list over here.

But, uh, just, I mean, my favorite film of the year is, is the shape of water, but that's not really horror, you know? But that, that, that film just blew me away. I mean, it was just an amazing fucking film. So I think I've seen it. Yeah, that movie is going to come up in the conversation here in just a few minutes. Oh, I figured it would.

Which is ironic because when we did, the last time I was on, we did the devil's backbone, which is another game of the total film. Well, what was your, so with all these, all these 2017 movies, what was your, what was the coolest thing you saw this week? I threw on Insidious Part 1, which still holds up, I think. And that's pretty much it. I haven't really been able to check anything else. All right. Well, then let's talk about the shape of water, man, because I saw it Wednesday night.

Oh, awesome. You guys checked it out yet? No. No spoilers. I mean, my wife were going to go check it out tomorrow. Yeah, you don't have to spoil it. It's like two and a half hours long, right? No, no.

It's not that long. It's like two hours. Yeah, yeah, it's average. Pedro, the way it was filmed, dude, didn't you feel like you were back in the time that it was filmed? everything about it yeah it was it was just this this is a film you have to watch in the movie theater because it really it really does take you back to that that time which was the 50s or whatever you know so it's it's or the 60s probably right like high to the cold war yeah exactly and and i mean we're not going to spoil anything here but michael shannon man what an

incredible job he did he always he always he always does a great job playing see when you hire Michael Shannon, he's going to play Michael Shannon. That's just his gimmick. You know, he loves to, you know, there's certain actors that when you hire them, you play you hire them to play their, they're all themselves, you know. Jeff Goldblum's one of them.

Michael Shannon's another one. And it's like, so, so, so here Michael Shannon was at his most Michael Shannon, whatever that means, you know, and it was just phenomenal to see that. You know, you know who surprised me was Richard Jenkins, man? Yeah, after Stepbrothers, I've never seen him the same again.

man, that's one of my first happens a whole time. Yeah, his performance was amazing. The lead actress, Sally Hawkins, I've never really seen her before, but God damn, was she good in this movie? Yeah, yeah, she was.

And, no, it was just a great film and everything about it. And then, you know, it just leaves you with so much positivity, you know? And it's like, I was talking to some friends of mine, like, sometimes, you know, we get into these moods, and we just want to see something

with a good message, you know what I'm saying? Like a pilot, like I'm tired of seeing, you know, especially because we live in a very cynical society now. It's like everything has to be down and, you know, that's, you know, it's like sometimes we just want to see something upbeat, you know. As ridiculous as it might be, sometimes we just want to see something upbeat at, you know, even though the film is not all of beat, you know, there's certain aspects of it, you know, that are upbeat, you know?

So I do, I did enjoy that. Yeah, and it's your typical, uh, Dale Toro, dark, you know, dark, dark, dark fan Tennessee, dark fairy tale all the way, man. Yeah. Whenever he gets to do his own shit, he's pretty awesome. But whenever he does studio shit, like, I don't know. I don't like, I like very few things of when he works with studios as far as, like, big budget, you know, productions. Like, I was never a fan of Halboy, you know.

Pacific Rim. I was never a fan of Pacific Rim. I actually saw the trailer for the sequel today when I went to see Insidious. So I was never a fan of Howboy. I was never a fan of Blade 2. okay i mean and then a pacific rim or crimson peak i thought those those movies were all kind of weak i once crimson peak i thought it was a little too gothicy and just i don't know um and and and so the shape of water was like a change like he went back to his like chronos days and devil's backbones

and pan slaperth although i can't bring myself to watch pan's lapar then because that's that's that's a hardcore film to watch man yeah but it's a great thing to watch man So is this one, this is up for like best picture and stuff, right? Well, it's up for some Golden Globes. I don't, we don't, you know, they haven't announced the, uh, the Academy Award nominees yet. But, okay. Most people say it will, it will be nominated for sure. Nice.

I'd be shocked. I'd be shocked if she didn't get nominated for best actress, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I gotta check it out. You know, you know what film I did see a couple days ago, and it sucks so bad that I took it out of my mind forever. I did get to watch Day of the Dead Bloodline,

which was available through dubious speeds. Oh, that makes me sad. That fucking movie was fucking sucked. And I don't know how much you guys. Geez. Save your download on that one. That's all I'll say about that. 2018's not off to a good start, huh?

Now with that kind of film. Brian? I finished a couple. Netflix shows this week. I finished Black Mirror. Yeah. Loved it. Oh, I love that. I loved all the episodes. Yeah, I think my favorite was probably the last one. Really?

Was Black Museum? Yeah. Well, they had so many stories all in one. Yeah, I think that's why. I felt like I was getting extra Black Mirror stories. That was cool, though, because as a, I mean, I'm a huge fan of these old anthology, you know, shows to begin with. Like, like, I've seen them on and stuff, and I have a lot of the box. So I always felt like, you know, some of the more classic episodes are the ones that have stories within stories, you know. And somehow this guy, you know, kind of figured that out himself and he kind of gave us that at the end, you know.

So you, so and that's actually like a, it's not a 45 minute episode. It's like an actual movie because I think it's a longer episode than the rest of the episodes in the season. So you're actually getting like a like a film length kind of episode. So that was pretty cool. Yeah. Very satisfying finale. It has a couple twists and turns here and there that are pretty cool. So, no, definitely.

I mean, the entire, and even the season premiere, I guess you could call it, even though it's Netflix. That one was another cool one with the Star Trek gimmick going on. I really like that. That was my favorite of the season for sure. Matt Damon looking, dude. Fat Damon as they call him on podcast, Pedro. Well, like, no joke, I thought it was Matt Damon. And then, like, the whole episode, I was distracting because I was trying to figure out, is that Matt Damon?

No, that's definitely Matt Damon. Jesse Clemens, that's the name. Jesse Clemens, yep. Now, here's the thing about Justin Clemens. When he did Breaking Bad, he was kind of like a slim, young-looking dude. And then he just stopped beating the fuck. And I always thought he got fat for a movie role. And he just never, like, lost the weight again.

he just stayed fat. You know what I'm saying? Like that was fucking weird. Because I had seen him in all these other films. Because he, you know, he's starting to get a rep for being a pretty good character actor. So that's the kind of guy you're going to start seeing pop up everywhere. And then he did, I think it was Black Mask, where he first kind of got heavier. And he just never lost it.

And everything he does, he's like the fat Matt Damon, as you said. Yeah, because I've just seen him in a trailer comedy with Jason Bauer. Bateman, and he has not dropped that weight. He's holding on, huh? Yeah. You're talking about game night? Moving on up.

Yeah, yeah. And then, of course, I'll let any weight to bitch, all right? Don't judge a dude. Crocodile was kind of that. That was a heavy duty episode, man.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that was a little rough. Oh, yeah, man. Dude, that whole thing. Like, when I was finished with the,

with the last episode, and even though there's only, what, like six, right? Yeah. Yeah, it started over to season three, and so it kind of caught me looking at it again, and I was like, oh, are they going back to this? And I was like, oh, not, God damn it, I guess the season's over.

Well, that makes sense. Like, I wasn't disappointed at all. I guess, I guess the, I don't want to say the worst one is because they were all good. I guess I would say the least good one. The black one. yeah the dog or the dog one or whatever the metal dogs and i was impressed with that i liked it a lot well it was good but if you're gonna compare it to the other ones it was kind of like the

and and um what i did like about that was that it really attributed uh that twilight zone episode with that girl stuck in that house the lady stuck in that house with all them little uh them little aliens trying to attack her and and uh you know at the end it turns out the and i'm gonna spoil you a fucking 45 year old episode for you or you better know at you, so that's... So the entire episode this lady's trying to survive

this little alien attack and then at the end it's revealed that it's like a property of the United States of America and then we just like this little... So the first half of this episode which is entitled Metalhead is kind of you know it does that like you know you see a lot of action

with no dialogue but then it gets kind of like remember when she starts fucking with them with the chocolates and I'm like like how the fuck do you fit all those chocolates in your in your fucking hoodie or pocket or whatever you're fucking with this dog all night and shit but uh yeah the world she's got kidney in her pocket we want and and then um maybe maybe because i kind of had it on in the background i didn't really get the ending but i don't know if you want to talk about the ending because maybe people haven't seen it but that was kind of weird too um but yeah so black mirror definitely gets a attempt for me it was a good season and if people haven't watched it you know they should they should definitely check it out oh yeah great show Yeah, and I also

Checked out the end of the fucking world Just debuted on Netflix I give it a six As high as I can go I mean, it's decent It is a quick watch It's like it's like eight episodes And they're like 20 minutes

Right Really? Okay, I'm gonna check it I thought I'm a little bit You're gonna check it out on Netflix or what? Yeah, yeah Because I mean once you said it was only 20 minutes I mean, the only reason why I was kind of a little bit reserved was because of the length. I didn't want to, because, you know, I read the synopsis, and it seems that it's something that gets old after like one episode.

So maybe with those. It did. I might skip it then. The main kid that's in it, he's a, he was in that Black Mirror episode, shut up and dance. Oh, okay. And then the detective is played. I don't know the actress's name, but she's. uh,

Theon Grayjoy's, uh, sister. Oh, so it was a little weird seeing her outside the Game of Thrones. Yeah. According to the Game of Thrones.

Yeah. And then, one more quick thing, a movie that I'm going to have to rewatch because I don't know if I like it or I hate it is, uh, the killing of a sacred deer.

Oh. I've heard of this movie out. No, I wasn't up for a lot of, a lot of awards, too. I love it. I love that fucking movie.

Yeah. Did you? Okay. I think Go ahead No you go ahead No I was Tell me what she's thought of it

Because I got a little confused in there No I thought it was good I thought the story is pretty straightforward And I think one of the reasons That people are being turned off by it Is because this filmmaker also did the lobster The lobster's a little more wacky than this film It was wacky but it was okay

Exactly And so this film is a little more straightforward Although there's a There's when it goes into like act two where like like the shit hits the fan or whatever i could see how people would get confused right there because it's not spelled out for you but i i i you know i knew what was going on up into the end and i thought the ending was pretty fucking crazy i did like how the the the characters in the beginning are a little kind of like off center a little bit it's a little it's a little

weird that that's that's that's that's that's one thing i liked about it because it that's how they did they played it throughout the entire movie and i like that everything is very monotone right Like everything is, and so, and so, even when it starts, you know, this is not a spoiler, because this is literally like the first minute. Like the way how they keep it vague, how like Colin Farrell's character meets the kid, like they never really tell it just, well, they tell us later, but it's like, it's very weird how it just starts right there. And it's like, what the fuck? And so, but I disagree with you. I think the monotone, as the movie progresses, and this is something that I appreciated, I felt like the family becomes more human. Like I feel like their emotional trauma is, it's almost like, it starts very robotic, which is kind of, it throws you off.

But then as the movie's going, they become more human. And then all of a sudden it's like when this fucking, they kind of go back to that at the end. They do go back to that at the end. Yeah. And then, but the middle part is kind of a, so I don't know if this was something that, you know, people pick up on or it was on purpose or whatever. But I like this film. I feel like this is one of those films that you'll pick something. up every time you watch it.

Yeah, I'm definitely going to rewatch it. By no means, I recommend everybody watch it. I like the way, I like the direction and the acting in it. I just, like you said, maybe I lost something there in the middle. And like you said, it is probably a movie every time you watch it, you'll pick up

something. So. But it's not artsy-farty, the term what we've already used 20 times. See, I kind of, that was that was my reservation going into this film because when it comes to Rcy Fartsey some of these filmmakers are like

fuck them you know like there's nothing worse there's nothing worse that when you watch a film and you have absolutely no idea what's going on and they like the filmmaker would have a Q&A and his answer is like well I don't know what's going on what do you think is going at

what do you think is right man that's not like a good psychiatrist you put some shit together because you were running out of time yeah yeah like like I know like I know mother mother with it and I wish to say it right mother with an exclamation point

I know I know that one see that one I wouldn't recommend to anybody because that's fucking that's the filmmaker kind of jacking himself off right there you know and that's my favorite movie the year man fuck that man I mean you watch that film

and you're left like what the fuck did I just watch you know and then of course now in today's modern technology you go on Reddit and shit and everything would be spoon-fed to you, but still it's like, fuck. Their interpretation is being fed to you. Do you see what I mean?

You're telling like the filmmaker now. Right. Well, I'll tell you what, this killing of a sacred deer, I think I need to see it before we do our top five show because I've heard a lot of good things about it. Well, I will say this, to bring the point home, the killing of a sacred deer is more traditional than mother is. And I think a lot of people, because of this filmmaker's history, think that the killing of a sacred deer would be something akin to mother, where it's really artsy-fartsy, and this film is a little more level. And you really do know what's going on.

It's just the way he shoots it and the way the performances are are kind of like unconventional to like a regular film. But other than that, it's a pretty much, it's a story, and you understand what's going on. And it's a narrative, you know, there's an actual narrative. So I really enjoyed it. Yeah, and I will say, I'm not a fan of Nicole Kidman, but I liked her in this movie. Yeah, she looked like a human being again, which was... Yeah. She hadn't looked like that.

Yeah. Once she did that Stepward Wives thing, I was like, that's it. That's what I've known for a long time. Right. And so that's pretty much, yeah. So, well, anyways, this is Brian's segment. What the fuck am I getting involved? I'm done. Philip

Well, I had maybe a couple of them I'm super Star Wars geeked out right now So I gotta say the Last Jedi again Just as an honorable mention Yeah, I know right And I've thrown in a bunch of fan theories On YouTube And I have spent like an unhealthy amount of time on that

So You won't not the rabbit hole brother. Yeah, oh yeah. I definitely have. And I'm super stoked about the whole Snoke thing. I hope that he continues

to at least have some sort of story in the new future. Aside from that, I think Black Mirror is going to be my big cool of the week. Okay, so Toys That made us also makes an honorable mention.

Oh, I love that documentary. I loved it. Oh, the toys that made us? Yeah. Yes. But Black Mirror, I think, is my ultimate cool of the week because I burned the whole second season and it was as amazing, if not better, than the first season.

Cool. You're ready for some more, huh? Oh, yeah. How about in that toy that made us? How, like, they made the creators of these toys. I don't know if this was a filmmaker's, what he wanted out of them or if that's who they are in real life, but they all acted.

like there were like 10 year old boys in like 70 year old bodies which was yeah like they created joys for a living like their job in life their sole purpose how awesome would that be was that was it was the ones that the star wars episode where they were like the Asian fella he's like he's like 65 years old but he's so happy you know what I'm saying he's like you can still see the kid in him the Masters of the Universe episode had a couple of guys like that as well. The Barbie episode, I don't know, those women were kind of, you know, they weren't as as happy as the men, you know, that's all said about that. Oh, it was a throat as hell, huh?

Oh, yeah, they were. Shit. Wow. And then, and then it was the fourth one. Oh, the G.I. Joe one that was pretty good, too. I enjoy that one. But it was just, I definitely related to the G.I. Joe. Yeah, and that one also has quite an interesting history because I didn't know how, like, it has, like, three people that, that claim ownership to that and all that stuff. So, but, yeah, but that It's a great documentary for any kid of the 80s that grew up when we were growing up. Oh, yeah. And I had forgotten about the downtime for G.I. Joe, where they, like, stopped calling him G.I. Joe and started calling it something else. Something more politically correct, or what?

They went to something else that they thought would sell. I can't even remember what the hell it was called now. Okay. Yeah, I remember when I was a kid that the G.I. Joe toys were, like, twice the size of the ones that came out in the 80s. Yeah, so it went from like that to something else, and then back to little GI Joe's in the 80s. Yeah, yeah, and also, because what happened was because of Vietnam, Vietnam kind of, if you were a serviceman, they kind of looked down on you. They spin on you. Yeah, at that point, you kind of had to, they had to kind of recreate an image for GI Joe, and that's when they stopped calling him GI Joe or whatever. So they gave him a pink tutu to wear and stuff.

And so, yeah, that's very interesting. And the thing about that is that the theme song talks about eight episodes. We only got four. So I imagine there's four more coming. I was curious about that as well. Yeah. It was in the theme song. Eight episodes.

Yeah. It's like, wait a minute. There is not eight episodes here. Okay. Just holding it back for you boys a little bit, I guess. God damn boymakers. They're just picking the pocket of the kids again. Right.

I imagine one of them would be true. Transformers, which was a huge deal when I was a kid. And maybe the Teenage Marine Ninja Turo line, maybe would be a good one. Yeah, that would be a good one. And I'm sure there's a couple of them for the girls out there as well. But, yeah, those are the ones that I would get excited for. Maybe Cabbage Patch Kids or something? Nah, come on.

That was the very definition of a phase in our lives, man. How about the garbage bill kids, Badger? Oh, there you go. That's what I was talking about. The garbage bell kids. All right, Brian. we got any headlines, man? The OA season two

has started filming this month, so, uh, I just started filming? Yes. Shit's never going to come out. Yeah, no shit. That was a while ago when it came out.

Yeah, that's the only news I could find on it. No release date, nothing, so. Some of these Netflix shows, they just kind of creep up on you, man. It's like, right, they just flood, they just flooded that entire streaming service with like new shows. And you're like,

where how do I even start? Yeah. It's a good one, no. It's like there's no rhyme or reason for when they come out, you know? And I wonder if they actually, like, make these shows themselves, or they, like, license them? Because I know there's some foreign shows that are like, there's no way anybody's paying money.

But somehow they get the distribution through Netflix, so I guess that's how they get on the air. But as far as this O-A show, do you guys recommend me checking it out? Absolutely. I do, yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Very good.

All right. I don't know. You didn't like Mother. It may be a little too deep for you, Pedro. Oh, shit. Fuck that. The OA is not too deep. Well, plus it's a whole season, so it gives it time to explain. Yeah, no, you'll like it, dude. It's good.

It's a quick watch, too. Okay. Another Netflix show, any 90s kids out there, remember Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Netflix is doing a, I guess it was based off an archie graphic novel where it was a darker a darker telling of the

of the character and they're doing an hour long series on Netflix and it's going to have horror, it's going to do with a lot of horror, occult in witchcraft. Is that the same? No.

They have casted an actress that I've never heard of. Kiernan Shippa. Never heard of her. What? Kiernan Shippa, if I'm saying that right. Netflix has ordered 20 episodes, which is going to be split into two seasons. Hmm. I guess they're starting to do that now to save money.

How they just film a couple episodes in one shot and then just spread them out? Yes. I'll check it out. I'll check it out. That TV show Riverdale is doing really well. I've never seen it, but people say it's an excellent. show. Yeah. That's like a dark take on

Archie mythology, right? Yeah, I try to watch it. It's okay. I don't think it's for me. It has a whole WB vibe to it. I don't think of Brian either. Yeah, my oldest daughter is 17. I recommended it to her

because I think she'd be better fitted for that show. Maybe I'm too old. I don't know. Damn, I'm way damn too old. So it's like, I don't know if I have a whole lot of interest in this one. If you guys watch the toy that made us and you guys see those men right there,

we're never going to be too old the way they were acting. I hope I'm like that one. I'm 70, man. Very chipper and happy and very, you know, a kid inside. I love that. Yeah. One show that I am excited for is Hulu's Castle Rock, the Stephen King series. I'm very excited for that.

Yeah, you're right. The creator of the show, it just came out. said that it is going to be an anthology. So it's going to be a different story each episode. And it's all set in the Stephen King universe. Awesome. Nice. So is it going to be based on his stories or is they going to be kind of like they're

going to add their own stories with his characters? How is that going to work out? I know I'm not 100% sure. I know he's involved with the making of the series along with JJ Abrams. So they might use some of his stories and they might create new stories. and just kind of interweave them. Yeah. Okay.

Either way, I'm going to watch it. Yeah, definitely. And that will be a Hulu series, and I believe it's due to come out sometime this year. One show that I completely dropped off of because of this last season was American Horror Story. Ryan Murphy has said the next season will take place in the future. What?

how far in the future And the future of that show Or in the future of like Like they're gonna be in space Where are they gonna be at? All he said was the future And it's gonna be It's gonna be something that the show

Is never done before Which You know what? You know what? He says that every year Every fucking year He says that shit Yes he does

And the the season The murder house Coven crossover season That he promised is apparently going to be the next season after. After that. It's going to be great. You've never seen anything like it, see?

Yeah. So I don't know. It didn't excite me. I dropped off this last season and never came back. So I don't know. I had a hard time finding a place to stream the rest of the season, so I haven't finished it. But we'll get there.

Well, maybe if he brings Cristino Cho-in or something, that I'm in. Netflix usually picks it up, so it'll be there eventually. Right. And our last little bit of news, Tales from the Hood, 1995's Tales from the Hood, is getting a sequel.

I love this fucking film. What? It's getting a sequel. Sequel. Well, you know, we're there, man. It's very tough. Hiss from the Hizzles.

This are our stoop dogs. this is coming from director Rusty Condif I'm probably saying his name wrong but it is official and I also love that movie too and also

and you know I love how that movie every single story had some sort of message as far as like race retention and stuff like that you know you had the one with the with the corrupt cop

you know you guys remember that one Of course. You have the one with the KKK guy with our boy Corbyn-Bernson, being the racial Southern Senator. Oh, with the doll. Yeah, with the little slave dolls that attack them. And then you had the one with the abusive dad, right?

Where the little kids drawing monsters, and then those monsters come alive. And it's funny because the abusive dad in that film is David Allen Greer. Yes, yes. We come up watching in living color. And so playing a dark character like that, I mean, no pun intended, but, you know, a physically abusive dad, you know, it was just, it threw me off, you know, because it's David Allen Greer. I love that guy as a comedian, you know, and he kind of played against his cast here, which was pretty awesome. So, so I just they're doing this because, you know, there's a lot of racial tension in our country right now.

And so it's very topical. So maybe they're going to go down that rabbit hole again, you know. but I'm looking forward to it because the first one is definitely underrated. It's a film that's really kind of grown in appreciation I would say over the last two, three years, but for the longest time, nobody would ever talk about Tales from the Hood

because it's a movie that kind of just came and went and it kind of got rediscovered. So yeah, it's a great film. If nobody has ever seen Tales from the Hood, definitely check it out. Absolutely. And didn't it just get a Scream Factory release? Yeah, it did.

Yeah. And it's the one I have, yeah, and it looks great. and that is all the news we have all right then you uh you boys ready to take a trip down to the trailer park sure you'll have you'll have them out there or what

uh we do yeah I thought it was all condos and beachfront property where you live we got trailer parks here too brother all right not always an exciting thing I mean people are people you know

We're going to bring you the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? And to talk about season three of Channel Zero, which is called Butcher's Block, starring Olivia Laccardi, Holland Rodin, and Rutger Howard. Yeah, that's the guy that's going to make me watch this. Yeah, I love that guy. I'm tapped out of the first two. I'll let you guys talk.

I'm going to go grab a cold bear. beverage real quick. I'll be back. Yeah, I'm not familiar with these creepy pasta stories. I did like the first season. I haven't watched the second season now. I haven't watched any of it just because I think the second season

had that reputation of being artsy-fartsy. So I wasn't going to go down that, you know, not with a whole season's worth of television. And it was like, you know, I knew a lot of fans on the message boards or whatever. They were kind of getting frustrated because it was like, where is this fucking thing going? And then I just kind of

I stopped listening, so I didn't see it. I try to watch the first season, but I never finished it. Mostly due to time, rather than anything else, but I'm definitely going to go back to it, because I got some pretty good reviews. As far as this butcher's, what's it called Butchers Block? Yes. That one seems like from the, you know, we just got a teaser trailer. I mean, that's the one I watched.

It seems like a more of a straightforward kind of story, you know, dealing with like cannibals and shit. Yeah, this is also executive produced by Max Landis. Oh, okay. Yeah, that guy, what was the last thing he did? What did we just review? We reviewed something he was involved in. I know he has a rep for being an asshole in Hollywood, but besides that, I don't know what else he just did something.

I am looking it up right now because he was just involved in something we just reviewed. Oh, it was bright, correct? Bright. Yes, yes. Okay, yeah. Yeah, he did Bright Chronicle. There's a lot of shit on here that's not good. I'm looking on his iron movie.

but overall it looks like it belongs right in the right in with the movie that we just watched not to get too far into that yet but uh yeah i've i've never i've never seen channel zero before and uh it sounds interesting i like anthologies but i mean this is only really a 20 second trailer so what are you going to do yeah like i said i'm not really into these Pasta's. So, I mean, I like the first season. Second season didn't really interest me enough to check it out. But I might revisit or get back into it at some point. Show's got a release date of February 7th. That's interesting because season three here says that it's based on a story called Search and Rescue Woods. But they actually retitled it to Butchard's block. Whereas the other two kind of kept their creepy pasta names.

That's really the name of the... Yeah, I know there's always, like, there's always some kind of problem with who owns these stories and stuff like that. So maybe that had an issue into it. Yeah. Well, I mean, for the people that don't know, I don't know if you've ever gotten to the history of creepy pasta on this show, but for the people that don't know,

and this is just like the Cliff Nose version is that creepypastas are like, they're like creepy horror kind of stories that are, that are, they started, I believe, in the Reddit forms many years ago. And what it is, is that, you know, you start a story and you put it out there and then other people kind of contribute to it, you know, making it creepier or less creepier or whatever, and then it goes on from there. So, and then, you know, and then people would go on to this creepy pasta website and then read all these great stories. And some of them are pretty goddamn good. They're very

clever. I've gone into that rabbit hole myself and spend a couple hours just reading a few of these and they are pretty creepy. And then, you know, and they're like everything else, you got some shit there too. But, but the point is that because, because. of that, you know, you have all these contributors and it's the internet. When it comes to adapting these, it's very difficult to kind of pinpoint who actually owns this, who wrote it, this, that, or the other

things. So it could become kind of a mess. And I'm surprised they've been able to get three of them as it is. Right. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. See, I didn't even know any of that, man. Yeah, I need it.

We're going to have you on the show more often, dude. You're blowing our minds with all kinds of stuff here tonight. We're going to, uh, we're going to segue into another, I believe it's a creepypasta story? Slender Man. That one in

the Russian sleep experiment are probably the two most famous creepypastas of all time. Russian sleep experiment. Yeah, you never heard that one? Uh-uh. Well, it's about this Russian experiment

where they lock people into this room and they wouldn't allow them to go to sleep for like days or weeks on end. And then as pretty much the the punchline of the story is how as the weeks and days go by things are getting more and more

kind of creepy with these individuals that they are not allowed to go to sleep to the point where at the end there's like some cannibalism involved amongst each other and they just completely lose their minds they completely lose their minds at the end and fucking it's a pretty good story

and then obviously Slender Man is the one that started this whole fucking bullshit and I swear to God there's about a slender man coming out like once a year now man it's like every time i look online there's like slender man is coming and it's like well what is he going to get here you know it's like we've been waiting fucking and then you have all these like sci-fi movies slender man and then the slender man you know the slender man returns and you know the revenge of the slender man it's like dude we get it it's a fucking slender man out there well i thought this i thought this would look pretty good

had a couple of good jumps scares in the in the trailer because i just saw a slenderman Slender Man. I swear, let me see. I'm going to Google. You talk about the documentary on HBO? That's another one. Oh, you mean a different one? Yeah, I typed, let me Google Slender Man film.

There's got to be a shitload of these Slender Man. See, I was not like, I feel like I want this to be better than it's actually going to be. Oh, no. To me, yeah. It just, it looked like it was going to be really fucking bad. I got a feeling you're right. the directors done almost nothing but just a shitload of TV TV episodes

What do you mean he did nothing? He did that movie Stop the Yard. Stop the yard, okay. Oh, stop the yard! Well, in that case, he should definitely be good with Slanderman. The only thing I see that interests me is

I'm a fan of Javier Boutette. He's in a lot of horror movies. I believe he's playing Sender Man, so. and he's done a lot of horror movies recently. I'm sure we'll never see him. I was going to say, which means he'll be in the movie for all of 30 seconds. Oh, man. Help us out here, Pedro.

Let me see. What other men movies can we watch instead of this one? You know what? Look, there's only one, man. I know there's been other spend through that moment. Maybe they called it something different. In your dreams they have. Wow.

I guess there's only one. I see this Javier Bolted here. Okay. Yeah, he isn't. Hardim? Who? No, not. Is that what?

He's a good villain. He can play Cinder Man. Is he going to be the Slender Man? Slender Man's going to munk around with a cattle. It's up being put in their head. What's the thing called? It's a creepy bad guy. Anyways, I'm going to give up on this.

All right. Well, you know what? Wait a minute, wait a minute. 2013, there's a movie not called Slender Man. It's called The Slender Man. See, I knew I wasn't tripping. It was a long-order SVU episode. I remember that one.

And Chippa-Land is another movie is called Slender Man with one word. So it's not Slender Man, it's Slender Man. Slenderman. That's the Jewish Slender Man. Slenderman. There you go, man. All right. Saying that would be funny than it should have been.

Anybody's interested in this slender, man. This is due May 18th. I thought I was a victim of the Mandela effect with our, you know, our buddy Danny Lewis. No, you got it, brother. We all remember. If you are, we're all in that same alternate universe. Let's see, what do we got here?

And next one we've got to review is Dead Shack, starring Lauren Holly Donovan Stinson and Lizzie Boys directed by Peter Rieke Weird movie What do you guys think? I'm kind of into it

It looks like You know I mean it's nothing It doesn't look nothing new It looks like another zombie comedy But I do love my horror comedy So I'm gonna check it out Yeah it's definitely

Very genre specific As far as that horror comedy Kind of motif going on So I mean the trailer It looks fun You know, so I'm definitely going to check it out. Right. Yeah, I feel like I really love these horror comedies,

and I feel like this one looks like it's maybe forced. I'm not super excited about it. It's not a place where we can get together. Yeah. As far as release date, I'm a little confused. The trailer was just released now, but I guess apparently through a GoFundMe or Kickstarter, account.

Oh, shit. I always kind of, I'm always a little reserved when I hear that. Yeah, red flags. The DVD is out there, but as far as, like, I looked it up on Amazon, it's not available. So the DVD, a copy is floating out there, so I don't know. See, this is what I was talking about earlier. These are the kind of films that came out, like, this one came on in 2017. It says on here, but we probably ain't going to watch it until, like, 2019.

So does that mean does that make our little? of the top 10 on 2019 or like so that that's what i was talking about earlier when it comes to horror films because of distribution some of these are all over the place you know and that's why a lot of these horror snobs are like well no that came out like four years ago you know at that's yeah i'm like fuck that shit right it was barely available to me yesterday all right so to me's my top 10 right so yeah it's gonna be like that as well but i'm gonna watch it eventually yeah hold hold on look what look what i found pedro what you i want to i want your opinion about this one. You may have said, hell fuck, you've probably seen this movie, dude, as many

movies as you've seen. But I was looking it up and it said, if you like this movie, you might enjoy this one called Low Life. Have you heard of that one? All right. Low Life just... Yeah, low life. No, I haven't. All right. Get this. Here's the synopsis. The Sorted Lives of an Addict, an Excon, and a Luchador collide when an organ harvesting caper goes very, very wrong. That sounds amazing. That sounds amazing. I feel like this movie was made specifically for me. Like, I feel like this guy, I feel like we had a sort of like, you know,

just connection with this filmmaker and he just made it for me. I'm going to check it out. Tell me that's a Quentin Tarantino movie because it could be amazing. Brian, can you get on that one, man, trying to find it for us? Yeah, I'll look for it. Lowline, one word. And our last trailer is, Look, low life is 100% on rotten tomatoes.

It is. Is that 100%. This is a masterpiece of our time, man. It has 11 reviews. It has 11 reviews, which tells me it's pretty much all the production staff that went up there and reviewed it. Yeah. Lance. I think we got a bonus episode coming here soon.

I can't wait. Pedro, you ready to come back? Yeah, whatever. Our final trailer is from Blumhouse, which I hope is a better film than what we got later on. Truth or Dare, starring Lucy Hale, Tyler Posey, Violet Bean, Sam Lerner, and others directed by Jeff Wadlow.

Wow. And Jeff Wadlow. It looks good to me. Yeah, Jeff Wadlowe's directed, a kick-ass, cry wolf. He's worked on the strain in Bates Motel.

This is another film title that you've seen pop out. There's maybe like two or three other films that are called Truth or Dare. I don't know that for a fact. I think that's why

they stuck on Blumhouse's truth or dare because I've seen the poster for it. Yeah, I saw it as well and I was like, man, that's kind of like pompous of them

to start doing that shit. Blumhouse Truthor Dare. This is the Truthor Dare. Blum-Ether Dare. Blum-E's true. so I won't go watch the 2017 version with uh

directed by Nick Simon it says on here but check it out the the 2017 version of this film has Heather Landing cam so beat that you know Huh Is it a uh

You sure Blum House is true So there does not have the great Heather landing cam on it It's Lucy Hale I might have to check this out man I got us time I have the Posey from MTV's Teen Wolf.

All right. So what's the next trailer? That is the last trail. You threw me off on that one. Okay, so I just saw this trailer today, actually. So it's very fresh in my mind. It did, but I swear to God, I think they told us who dies and who doesn't die within that trailer. And that kind of threw me off there.

I hate it when they do that, man. Like, I was like, wait a minute. Did it just reveal that this person is going to die? because of what I just saw, but I just... Probably. And then you get like a wacky-ass fucking demented smile before you check out, which is even more weird. But anyways, I'm sure they have the reason...

I thought that was creepy. No, it is creepy. But I wish it was more practical. You could tell it's like a CGI job, you know? I wish it was more like, you know, practical effects that made you fucking smile. They were just trying to wipe out somebody's mustache and that just happened to be...

That's pretty much where it's going. That's pretty much where it's going. Yeah. the same smile. I thought the one guy was about to say, why he's so serious? So it's the typical story we've seen before, like privileged fucking white kids. They go on vacation to like a foreign land, you know. I think this time is Mexico, right?

Is it? Yes. And they piss off something or someone. The locals. That guy didn't look local. the one that was in the beginning. And then they come back carrying something or something's hunting.

We've seen this story before, you know, I mean, it's been done before. But this one has a budget. And here's the funny thing about this film. Like, I think if I see another trailer, because this is really released two or three trailers before you finally see the final one, I'll start piecing it together. Because somehow, I always love this scene in these kind of films.

You know, they got to have that scene where they figure out what's going on, right? They always have to have that. and somehow they need somebody to know what's going on to tell them. Oh, yes. So either there's going to be an older man. Usually a horror icon like Tony Todd or Robert. There you go. Okay.

And usually they... Yeah, and then usually what happens is that they tell you what's going on. They tell the audience was going on as well as the characters. And they walk away and either as they're walking away from the meeting that they tell what's going on, they end up dying somehow. That always happens. Like, they'll get decapitated in an elevator or fucking birds who eat their eyeballs out and underneath a balcony like Susperia or, or no, that was dogs.

Dogs fucking chewed up that guy. But something always happens to these fucking exposition guys. And it always packs me up. Some rib goldberg contraption, huh? So if you ever know something about someone or something about anything, please just keep it to yourself because you will die whenever you tell the people that need to know what's going on, all right? Tell him real fucking quick. Except for Tony Todd, who that was a final destination, right?

He was death, so nobody was going to fuck with him. Right. I think he was supposed to be like the representation of death. Which is kind of weird because he's given his rules to the, because death is the one that's killing this fucking kid. So it's like, what the, I don't know. He ought to keep it to himself, right? I don't want to overthink this because my head will explode.

Maybe I needed to be in a different frame. reference for this one. It looked very friend requesty to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it looks very by the numbers, you know, mainstream release date. Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's why I really like Happy Death Day, because I thought that was pretty

pretty good. Right. Yes. Different. It doesn't look like that. Truth of Dare, April 27th, it's about time Blumhouse had a turkey, because they ain't had a turkey in a while. That's true. I've been coming up with some good ones. gotten bloom like they had one

tonight recently well yeah that too okay but this is like their film I think

I'm not the only one that is our last trailer all right well uh philip we had a

shitload of list or feedback uh last week I don't think we have as much this week do we our buddy Patrick Lear

of course had to throw some listening her feedback in because what would we do with that is bashing or what

No, no, no, no more Star Wars. I'm ready to argue with, like, Star Wars history now. And you will at Texas Frightmare, because he's got... Oh, I'm sure. We'll get stuck in that conversation for three fucking hours. But regarding the Frankenstein Chronicles coming to Netflix, Patrick Cleer says, what are the odds that Sean Bean last...

Doesn't make it past one season. they're very good right well see gaming throne style um and then Lars from Denmark says

have a great new year you crazy people and drink responsibly all right there you go and that's uh that's all we got for listening to feedback this week I got one thing to add

our giveaway our giveaway for a better watch dead Blu-ray was Ammy Gilbert, the man, the myth, the legend himself. Oh. God damn it. I enter

that shit, man. Yeah. Hold on. What was this for again? This was for the better watch out Blu-ray giveaway. Oh, the actual Blu-ray, huh? Yes. I just put that shit over, too, man. You just talked about saying it. Anyways, congrats,

Simon. All right. It's like that asshole. Make them pay for the shipping To what, fucking Seattle or Oregon Or where the fuck is he, is he these days? I think it's Seattle. Seattle. That's right.

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how happy I am to dig my, sink my teeth into the first real horror movie of 2018. I can't fucking wait, guys. I'm so excited about it. I kind of wish it was part of 2017, to be honest. All right, well, we're going to talk about Insidious, the last key.

Well, just to make a list or two, you know. I hope, I hope if they have any other keys, they lost them, bro, because I can't put up with this shit again. I think we're showing our hand a little bit here. We're also going to talk about the... You said I needed it to make a list. Hey, we're going to cleanse our palate, though. with the original Insidious first from 2010.

So Insidious was directed by James Wan, also known for Saul and the Conjuring 1 and 2, and also the upcoming Aquaman. He's going to be directing that. And I think he's, I think he's, I think we have actually covered him as much as any other director at this point, right? Because I know, who was Adam?

Adam Wingard was like what, three of his films and now this makes three of three of wands, right? I believe so, yeah. At least, he's a horse of many colors. Yeah. Writer was Lee Wynnell,

who we've seen him act in a lot of these movies. Of course, he was in Saw and he was in the other movie we're going to talk about tonight, as well as Insidious. And he is known for writing several of the saw movies. So 33 violins were used

for the theme music in Insidious. And man, it was some great theme music. I mean, Pedro, what did you think about the insidious theme music, man? I loved it. It was almost like another character in the film. You know, every time you heard it,

there was reasons why you were hearing it. And at that point, I mean, it's funny because Insidious Chapter 1 was kind of, it was really kind of an original film at that time using like old motifs, right? Using old techniques to make a classic horror film. But here we are like eight years later.

And I feel that there's so many almost parodies of that film now because everything that comes, came out after that film is trying to tribute that film in some way. I'm talking about everything mainstream, you know? And so now it's like we all get the creepy house. We all get the, you know. It was like back in the 80s where you had like the jumping cat in every fucking movie.

Now it's more of like the running kid. Like now every fucking. Yeah. Every fucking movie. Nine of a thousand cats. Good point. But listen. Now it's like back then it was like a, everywhere you would look there was a jumping cat.

Oh my God. Shit. You know, false scare. Now the same scare, but they replaced the cat with like a little kid that's like running in the background. So you could like make fucking. And giggling in the background? fucking funny asshole get out of the goddamn canner but i will say this film has one of the creepiest fucking little kid scenes ever because first of all they're playing tiny tim which is a great

fucking you know he did a home run tiptoe through the tulips huh yeah the guy was a weirdo and kind of like creepy in his own right so even with the way some of the music he had was perfect for this film and that little boy is dressed from like right out of the 1930s and shit And he's kind of like a hybrid of like a little boy, but also kind of like a, he's not that little, which makes him even creepier. You know what I'm saying? He's like a teenager. And just the way he sets them up, that's one of my favorites scenes in the entire film, just the way he sets up that entire scene, just with the camera of following Rose Burns character. Was there a name?

Renee? Renée's her character, right? and so just the way the way the camera follows her around as she's kind of you know going to get her close outside or whatever and then the little kid comes on then the record player is playing something and then it scratches and then that tiny timsong comes on and it everything's a good scene and the whole thing was great yeah and so and so but again the point is that since then how many films have we seen where they try to duplicate that and now it's just it's comical at this point you know you mean how many this year I mean, come on, including the other one we're going to talk about, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you're right. Everybody goes back to the well on that one. And they did it well in this movie.

Yeah, they did. So anyway, so what do you want to talk about this? Oh, the music's great. Again, it's like a character. Yeah, music's fucking awesome. I mean, it's when it first starts off and you see just the word insidious and you hear all those violins playing. Yeah, it gives you a joke when you first see it.

you first hear it. Both of them, both when it starts and when it ends, because it also ends the same way. You know, it just ends and you have the violins and it's like insidious, right? It's just like fucking great. And I feel like this was James Wong kind of like, you know how like Quinn Tarantino. I mean, some people say that Quinn Tarantino is a thief in the night, right? But I think he says he tributes films, you know, he doesn't steal, which is kind of the same, but I do love how like it still takes talent to kind of get all these. influences from all these like B movie horror films and like cult films and then put them in the pot and make them your own creation. Not everybody could do that. And I think this is James Juan's like tribute to all

kinds of stuff. This one in part two because I feel like this film is like Halloween one and two where you kind of have to see them together because they're so connected. It's the way this one ended. Sure. Right. And then part two takes place just as soon as, you know, this one ends. You know, so. And so you have so many great tributes here to like movies of the past and what i like about james one is the way he has his camera setups like everything is there like he he he has this ability to bring you into the movie as you're watching it like that feel like that scene we're talking about with yes yes he's always good at that yeah and so and so this film again this this was he really came to form in this film and and it's what it's probably one of my favorite it's probably in my top 10 of like new horror of like

you know of all time oh yeah Yeah. Yeah. Because it totally, it really started that new wave of like mainstream horror. Before Insidious, we really didn't have that. That's why I'm saying now it's more like everything has to live up to Insidious now. No matter what, everything has to like the conjuring, the Annabelle films, you know, lights out, you know, all these kind of films. They all kind of have the same aesthetic that was kind of created by Insidious.

And so that I think this is insidious is a, it's a film. that's kind of a pioneer and all that. Yeah, it's a good point. Good point. Brian, what did you think, man? I love this movie. Everybody in it, I think did fantastic. I like the introduction of the further.

And I like that whole everything that was going on in there. And then you got the, what was, what did they call him, the red face demon? I want to know how Darth was in the game. Yeah. I like to go in there, Pedro. Yeah. I liked all that. And, yeah, you do have to watch.

I think you do have to watch this one and the second one. Don't watch the third one. The third one's garbage. Piece of shit, huh? Yeah, but overall, I thought everybody was fine. Patrick Wilson is kind of in his movies. He's kind of give or take for me. I don't, you know, to me, he's kind of the same guy in every movie.

Well, yeah. So, but what did you guys think of Lynn Shea? basically a franchise star. Yeah, I thought she was good here. And obviously, I think she was good here. No, I mean, importantly. You're dead. You're spot on, Pedro.

I couldn't agree with you more, man. And I mean, for us, for us, you know, horror hounds, she's kind of a, you could consider her a scream queen because she, you know, her resume. She's got all kinds of, you know, great B horror films under her resume. But the reason I say she was good here,

I mean, one of the worst scenes I've seen in, like, mainstream cinema in my life is when in part three where she tries to scare off that monster that killed her husband or whatever or you know that led to her husband committing suicide where she stomps the floor she's like get out of here

oh that was the worst acting in the history of actors right there almost almost like maybe she did it on purpose huh and I blame Lee one now because he directed part three because that's his job like not to allow that she Yeah, he directed part three, yeah. Oh, that's his, oh, that's his fault.

Okay, because that, because I watched all the movies this week, and three is, we'll talk about the fourth one, but three is, yeah, I was bored the entire time. And Pedro, I know exactly seeing you're talking about, because it is stupid. I can't remember. I blocked it from my memory. And here's all you got to know about three, because it's so dumb, because there's really no, no story. There's really no story. Actually, this is going to be the big theme with. me as far as analyzing these films.

There's no story to tell anymore. This story of Insidious ended with one and two and that's it. Anything else you're trying to say, you're stretching it, and it's going to get more and more ridiculous if they keep on making these kind of films. Go ahead. I was going to say what makes me so angry about the

third one, the way number two ends, because Elise is in spirit form, but she's still doing her job with the other guys. And the way it ends is she sees something so horrible so horrific off screen and you just were like what the fuck does she see

I mean and then we get three which is a prequel yeah they've all been people ever since and the thing about three is that there's absolutely no point to it other than the fact that you get to know you get to know how she met specs and the other guy and it's like fuck

you made me waste 90 minutes just for you to tell me that's literally all that comes out of part three there's nothing there's nothing uh you know credible or even worthy about it and part force you know we'll get to it but but but let's go back to part one because that one was just again it was just uh it was an amazing film james one and it really makes you appreciate james one people sit there and say well you know what's the difference between this guy and this guy

will throw on part one and then throw on like part three and that's you could tell that this guy making the big bucks that he deserves it because he knows how to make movies whereas the other guys they just don't know how to make movies you know and it's like they go back to the well for the same scares they're not original and part one has so many original concepts, you know, even the fact that how they tied up the kid being kind of like in a coma with his dad from back in the day. Like we had never seen any of that before. I've never, I remember seeing a movie where that's kind of like the main thing where like the kid is paying for the sense of the dad in a weird kind of roundabout way in part one. And, and so then the dad has to go in there

into the further and kind of save his own kid. But, you know, so there's so many layers to that story. but again it's like once that move and then they did a good job with part two where you had like that crazy back to the future as kind of you know thing going on where he's going back to part one and he sees himself and it's pretty cool and i feel like they still had more story to tell because again if you're going to go to the further there is a good chance you're going to come back out with something already in you because you're fucking with all that kind of demonic possession and spirits and stuff yeah good point so i did like how like there was still more story to tell and they did tell

That was what part two was about. But once that ended, it was like, okay, that's over. We saw that story, the franchise is over. But the fact that they're trying to stretch it just to make a quick buck, it's like, fuck. Now we're just seeing shit, you know? And you could tell every franchise eventually has that point where it's just shit. Jack is a shark, huh? Exactly.

So, you know, and so that's pretty much it, man. But yeah, part one had a lot of great moments in it. Now, I will say this. The part that I least like the most is, where they're in the further, because at that point it becomes kind of like, like the CGI always kind of throws me off. And I don't know, I feel like, I feel like an old school hunted house film that it, that it presented itself in the first half, like with all those like jump scares.

Right. I thought that was way more powerful than that, you know, just run of the mill. Kind of let's try to get out of this hell we're in that the second part kind of presents us. Yeah, I don't know. I kind of like some of the scenes, like when they, you know, they, they would, he would, walk around and come up upon people acting out murders and stuff like that i thought that was kind of neat but i will tell you this the first time i saw it i kind of thought it just ripped off poltergeist too much yeah you know but well and that was my problem with it too i like i the the second half of it a little

bit lost it for me i thought the first half was incredible um and then like the second half once they got into the further and started traipsing around in this obvious movie set you know with the fog machine on then back clock 29 yeah

then it got a little got a little out there for me right it was kind of like bright did you know it was like it started out and set it up real nicely for me and then the second half got a little too cheesy

it's like all right it's awesome I know a lot of people like Bright I'm with you though I thought the first half was great and the second half just it was shit. So I totally agree with you on that.

I think there's that whole aspect of realism, you know, for both Bright and Insidious. I mean, I don't know how the fuck Bright got into the conversation, but it's in it now. So let's just go with it. So the thing is that I think when we're watching something that could possibly be real, and by that I mean,

the first half of Insidious, I mean, you're dealing with a woman that's in a house. And so already you're dealing with a very claustophobic kind of feeling that kind of starts creeping up on you. and the way the camera set up, everything is so kind of, there's a lot of tension in that house

and you could feel it. And then with all these jump scares, like for example, where that creepy guys, like over the voice monitor thing, where the baby's at. Right, right. That's a great scene.

And then also later on, of course, we talk about the kid with the Tiny Tim song. So these are all things where we're watching it. It's a real house. It's a real person.

And they're also very isolated, which only adds to the creep factor. Once you get into the further, it's like, now that's like, a movie you've seen a thousand times. Like, okay, well, now we're in a monster movie. It's still good.

Don't get me wrong, but it takes that realism out of it and that creep factor. Well, yeah. And they're jump scares that they have in the first half of this movie. Yeah, they are jump scares, but they're jump scares that stick with you. They're like, oh, shit,

that was really fucking creepy. Not just, you know, a dinosaur jumping out at you or what the fuck ever, you know? It was like some really creepy shit that's going to be burned in your brain forever. And then as far as bright, I mean, I always thought that first had like a warriors kind of feel to it with all these gangs. And then you were like, it was like the urban. And what I like about that is that it was in real Los Angeles.

It wasn't a set. Like I know a lot of those places. Actually, a couple of my close friends were in that scene with the, they were the actual punk band. They were singing. So they're in the movie. Yeah, and then, so those are real locations, real people. And I really like where it was taking me as far. It was going to get grind me.

It was going to be like a crazy version of like the movie colors and shit. Even though colors, it's also a fucking crazy movie. And so I like that because it was based on realism and gangs and all that stuff and a lot of real issues that we face. And then it gets all magical with fairies and a wand. And it's just like, oh, come on. I felt like that was the same direction this one took. And then to me it's like I always have a problem with like when a character dies in a movie or in a show and they come back to life.

At that point, like, you've already ruined the stakes for me because at that point there's nothing at stakes because you just introduced this like godlike ability to bring anybody back. You know, I know the only one that I kind of don't, I haven't gotten bothered by that is John Snow. But any other error, I would have gotten bothered by it. But that doesn't really bother me this time that much. but I hate when when when filmmakers do that because it's like a cop out and they did it in bright like you you you build up this moment right and then you execute it and the only reason you do it is for this false fake finish you know it's like okay we're gonna bring them back on it's like come on you know it's like well at that point what are the stakes if I could just if I could just touch it with my wand and you're gonna come back like who cares at that point why am I following these characters there's nothing at stake anymore and I hate when when shows do that stuff and when I saw it and bright. That was the moment where I turned the guy was like, fuck this movie, you know, that's it. I'm done. But the first

half is really, really good. I really enjoy the first half of Bright. So, and it's only, I guess the sequel's going to be even, they're going to go deeper into that wacky world, so it's probably not going to be good at all. It ain't probably even going to have that cool first half, because that's going to be all like wizards

and fucking. You never, you never know, man. It might be even better, you know? I don't know. I'll go on a limb on this one. How about that? I'll say no. It's not going to be. So, yeah, that's pretty much it. All right.

Are you guys ready for ratings on this one? So we can jump into the feature film of the week. Yeah. Let's do it. All right. Cool. So Pedro, what do you think of insidious, man, on a scale of 1 to 10? I give it an 8.

It's a great time, man. And again, just for this show, I rewatched it again. This might have been my first movie of 2018. So it always holds up. And I've seen this movie maybe about four times now since it came out. And it always holds up. I don't sit there kind of like, oh, sure, here we go. So that's always a good thing when you could watch a film over and over again.

It always holds up. And so, yeah, I give it an 8 on 10. You could tell how many trends this film started in Hollywood. And so that's got to count for something as well. And just everything about it. And, you know, James Juan, again, you know, often imitated, rarely do. Or however that fucking saying goes, but he's one of them. That's it.

You know, so good for him as well, you know, and so again, eight on ten. Yeah, I'll go, I'll go strong six and a half. I mean, it's definitely at least two-thirds better, more good than bad. I mean. But wait a minute, Lance, we've never really, like you, you didn't break it down. We broke it down, but what was your issues with it and what are the things you love about it? The only issues that I had with it were, I thought that it was a little, it was, it was copying a little bit too much with some of the movies that came before it.

Right, right. Like, actually kind of like what you were talking about, where he's kind of, you say he's paying homage. Yeah. And I thought he kind of ripped off a few things, especially from Holtergeist, you know? Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, typical haunted house stuff, I'm not, I'm not as big of a ghost story fan

as others are. And so, you know, that didn't, that, you know, I didn't enjoy that as much as, as I might a movie about something different. but the music was was you know spot on obviously i mean when you're when you're working with patrick wilson rose burn uh fuck uh barbara her she man don't underrate her she's you know she's in the black swan and well well the thing about her that that that really kind of uh it popped me to use a wrestling term was um the fact that she was in the entity which is a crazy-ass fucking horror movie from the 80s sure if people haven't seen the entity go ahead and

track that one down. It pretty much deals with a lot of the same concepts as Insidious does. Oh, that's right. Except Barbara Hershey's character is being raped by a demonic, by a demon, by a demon. And there's no comment. It's very dark and kind of very, the ending is very kind of down, actually, a lot of ways. Right. But, but again.

That sounds super uncomfortable. I'm going to put it out back you. Oh, yeah. You've got to see the entity if you haven't seen it before. But it is scary. It is scary. I will say that. It's not just, you know, they don't, they don't exploit the raping aspect of the film,

Dang God. It's just something that's implied. And, you know, I think there's one scene where it gets a little uncomfortable. But other than that, it's mostly just the ghost fucking with her. And then, you know, the son gets involved and, you know, the family. And it's a great film. And I think a lot of the insidious was. also kind of, I guess he also tributed

the entity a lot, including bringing back Barbara Hershey. So I appreciated that because I knew what... That makes perfect sense, man. I knew what he was doing at that time, so... Yeah. It was just not my kind of movie, totally, because I'm not a big ghost story, you know, fan. My kind of horror movies

tend to be more toward the creature features and stuff like that, but... No, man, it was, like I say, six and a half out of ten, that's not bad at all. You know, I really, really enjoyed it. And, um, first viewing, I was like, ah, it's way too much. It's just like a remake of Poltergeist, and I got

real pissed off. But second viewing, I appreciate it a lot more. So I'm glad I'm glad we watched it again. I feel that that half is fucking with me, dude, because I feel like there's something about it that won't allow it to go to a seven, and it's like, dude, why you just give it a seven? It's like either a six or a seven. Why does it have to be six and a half?

But maybe it's the fact that, you know, you left the first screening a little, a little annoyed, and that stayed with you. I think that's what it was, man. all right uh i think i'm next um james one hasn't uh he hasn't really let me down so i'm also

going to give it an eight uh loved everybody in it um i actually enjoyed the stuff with uh that was in the further and um my only problem with it like i said i'm not i'm not a big Patrick Wilson fan and like taking him leave him i always get him confused

with this other actor i can't think of his name there's another actor they kind of look similar oh yeah yeah i think I think I know who you're talking about, but I couldn't put a face. Are you talking about the guy that was in the Terminator Genesis? That guy? Robert.

Hey about Robert. Patrick? Not Robert. No. Terminator Genesis, not. Terminator 2. Arnold Schwarzenegger? No?

Are you talking about Jason Clark? Yeah. No, not him. All right. Well, can you remember? there's dopo danger that you're confusing Patrick Wilson with. Can you remember any movie it was in? There is a

similarity there. There's there's, oh man. Well, I don't want to go to. But there was a couple of people that came up at the same time, right? And he happened to be one of them. I know, I know we're just talking about. Yeah. Well, for me, I'm sorry, man.

No, no, no. I don't want another Keith David David Keith thing happening here. No, no, well, for me, it was definitely Jason Clark and Patrick Wilson. I don't think they've ever seen They've never been sitting in the same place At the same place. They're both kind of on video and demand Hell right now anyway, so it's not like their career

blowing up. But overall, I think I enjoy it with every rewatch, so yeah, strong 8 on 10. Okay, cool. I'm going to give it a I'm going to give it a 7.5. I think I got the same stuff that you're saying about James Juan.

If his name is attached to it, I'm going to see it. That is bottom line. So you're going to see Aquaman? Yeah, man, definitely. If James Wan is doing it, I'll watch it just for him. All right. Well, he already said he wasn't going to do that wacky fucking bubble that, uh... Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, well, I'll hope so because that may have made a list, too. Wacky fucking bubble. What are you talking about, man? Yeah, you know, you know, when they're talking in Aquaman's world, like, Like, they did a fucking wacky-ass bubble so they could talk in his fucking stupid. Injustice League? Yeah. Okay.

I know what you're talking about. I always thought they were able to, like, telepathically communicate, but I might be off by D.C. They did a wacky bubble. That's it. They just made it like a comic book, a little bubble that came up. Anyway. That would have been better. But I think this guy is a hell of a direct.

and some of the scenes. And they proved it in the new movie because the guy with the red face, when they show him popping up, I don't want to give too many spoilers away, right? But when they show him popping up in this movie, he's like right behind the guy and it's just, it's there and it's a jump scare,

but it's really not. It's just a, it's just a, he's there and you're like, oh my God. And it's just a really creepy, image. It's not just a guy jumping out at you, you know what I mean? And I think they did a great job of that.

Like I said, just when they got into the further, it gets a little bit cheesier, which I also didn't hate. I mean, I loved this movie. I really did. As far as, like, new horror, like you were talking about,

goes. I mean, it's this and The Conjuring. And I think the The Conjuring, yeah, I think The Conjuring has a leg up on them, but not by a whole lot. Except sequels. The Conjuring movies keep getting better, and these just kind of keep getting worse. All right, cool. So we all highly recommend this movie then.

Yeah, definitely. I would say it's a must-see as far as horror through the Times go. You're talking about 2000s horror. Go check it out. definitely let's uh let's keep that let's keep that good trend going with insidious the last key yeah director adam robatel also known for one of phillips's favorite movies uh the taking of debor logan i love that movie that's a great movie found footage do what found footage at its best uh the writer was our good friend lee one l

into insidious as this film occurs exactly right before the iconic first film in the franchise. And what other piece of trivia director Adam Robatil was also the co-writer for the 2015 film Paranormal Activity to Ghost Dimension.

That was a horrible. That was a horrible movie. You know what? And that's all the trivia I could find on this one. So... That's all there needs to be. Help us out, Pedro. How was this masterpiece, man? Let me just say that with the people that were

watching it with me in the movie theater, I don't think we're going to get the next one, because it was kind of empty for being a weekend crowd. Really? Yeah, 5 p.m. weekend, it was kind of empty there. I mean, they don't start picking up, though. I had quite a few people in my crowd. They were all fucking teenagers, and they were all talking on their phones.

Yeah, that was my theater. So where do I start? This movie is just, it's just vanilla, dry, it's by the numbers. There's, there's, like, nothing original about it. This is literally like studio head saying, we need a new insidious because we got a field date here on January. Give me something. Okay. You know, let's go through all the basics.

Boom, boom, boom. Check, check, check. Let's do it. And that's, there's not, it has no heart. That's what I'm trying to say. This film has no heart. It's, it's by the numbers. It's boring.

The first half is boring. I'll say that. It's just boring. I was sitting there and I was like, fuck. This is just boring to me. They, they meander around this fucking house. And it's like, oh my goodness. You know, there's a scene here.

There's a scene here. I'm going to say, there's a scene that I remember. There's a scene where she finds, Elise finds those suitcases, remember? With, with,

let's just spoil it, but there's certain things in those suitcases. She goes through every fucking suitcase. We didn't need that. I'll say this much. Whatever's in the first suitcase is going to be in the second,

you know what I'm saying? And that's it. But she goes through. And it just, you could tell it just to pat this fucking clock because there's no story here, you know? And don't even get me started on the brother, which is like, what the fuck?

Like, that last scene were like, whatever, you know, it's like, just like that, they're okay. Like, come on, you know? Yeah, Bruce Davidson. I hate that actor, man. Everything he's in pisses. Wow, that's it. I don't even know who that guy is. Oh, come on.

He's like been in X-Men movies and stuff like that. Oh, really? Yeah, he's always a douchebag. Everything he's in. That's probably what I don't know. He is. I hate this gray-haired douchebag, but. that ugly motherfucker.

Guys, always an asshole. And he's been in, I'm looking at his credits. He's been in 250 movies. Oh, that guy. No,

you're right. I know who you're talking about. Okay. He's worse than, his words than our boy, Hugo Stiglitz from, from, a lot of a thousand cats.

It's been about 500 movies. Right. But God. Yeah, yeah. So that, so none of the stories here worked at all. Like,

like, like they had that arc with, with the brother and the sister. that didn't work it. I was so fake. It's terrible. The reason why she goes back to that house. So there's this weird plato that was fucking with me here. All right.

So I'm going to try to thread the line here. Are we just going to say fuck it and go spoilers? I mean, we kind of may. Can we? Can we? Come on, guys. You got to our format. We got to give our score. And then people who want to go see the movie can go see it and come back and

listen to the spoilers. All right. We just give our store and they go on the spoilers. Save your plot hole for the for the spoilers then. Pedro, what's your score, man? 1 to 10. Oh, shit, okay, so I'm going to go two. Fuck this one.

Wow. pilot for maybe an okay sci-fi series okay that's a good way to put it exactly nice yeah that's about what the budget look like that's about how the acting looked it was insidious the series

yeah but to pay money to go see this movie like I kept thinking that they were going to set it up for insidious the series but yeah to pay money to go see this movie don't do that it was thank God for movie pass yeah it was

it was nice Not good. The story was kind of okay. I liked that they bring everything back around in a couple of different things. But that was still too fan servicey, though. That was way too fat. Well, and it was. But that was the only part that made any sense.

The rest of it was like super cheesy. I mean, the directing was bad, the music was bad, the acting was bad. I kind of like this CGI guy, which is not something that I said. a whole lot. He was creepy. The Slender Man? The Slender Man. Yeah.

Slender Man showed up in me. Right. It's the same fucking design. It's like they have like design or us somewhere in Hollywood. Oh yeah. We saw this, this creature. We saw him in about 10 different movies that came out from 2000 to 2005, dude.

It's the same fucking creature. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With the, like, arthritis and the, you know. Yeah. But yeah, with the key for the fingers, he's, he's creepy looking at least. But they fuck it up with all of their, like, they're right in the middle of a, of a really, of a scene that looks like it's actually going to be scary.

And then they cut to something else and then come back to it. I'm like, why the fuck did you do that? You totally broke the tension. That's one thing I, I'm glad you brought that up because that's one thing I forgot to say. This movie never goes into third gear, ever, ever. Yeah, not at all. It gets you ready for it, and then it just flakes out on you. Like it never hits it into that third gear that these horror movies should hit.

It just never does it. It's like, what the fuck? It's a cheesy thriller crime drama with some horror mixed into it. It's not a horror movie. When are we going to be able to talk about spoilers? Oh, yeah. I'm going to give it a three. We're getting there.

Okay, three. Let me throw my score down. We'll just jump right in. Because I think anybody, anybody who's listening at this point, guys, please, if you haven't gone out and paid money to see this movie, don't see it. I mean, I don't know what else to say. Just don't make fun of it. Don't bother. I mean, seriously, it's kind of like, it's the first week curse.

Last year it was the bye-bye man. This year, it's this. I mean, I don't know what's going on. But I will say this. I'm going to say something positive, Brian. I did get my, I noticed I had an $80 charge on my credit card. Mm-hmm. I got my full year of movie pass, man.

Do that? I didn't. So it's good. Nah, you will. They charged you the $9.95 a couple years ago. And what made this movie even worse was I didn't have my movie pass on me. Oh, no. Oh.

Yes. Okay. I'm surprised you gave it a three with that, what you just said right now, because that would put it for me. You know what? I would give it. You talk about the half points and everything, Pedro. I would give it a one. But Lynn Shea, I got to at least give it a one and a half.

All right. Spoiler time. Also, that's your rating, one and a half. One and a half. That's harsh. It's very harsh. You know, I got raped when I walked out of the movie, man. I feel like Barbara Hershey.

On the fucking Hershey Highway. How did you end up getting that deal for movie pass? What kind of cons are you pulling off, man? Dude, it's the one year. I guess it's like 89, 89.95 for a whole year. Yeah. Basically, it breaks down to like six something a month if you're paying monthly. It pays for itself with.

one movie, Pedro. Oh, I have it. I have it. I see three this week. Damn, bro. You got the movie pass? Yeah. Well, you didn't get the email that said you have an option for one year? Well, I got it for a Christmas present, so, you know, I got the three-month thing going on. You know what? You know what? I think if you go to the website, I think you'll see an option to do one year prepaid, and it's 89.995 for one full year. Now, no, I'm definitely going to get it. If that's the case, You're right. It pays itself after one. If you're going once a month, which I'm sure everybody in this call here goes to more than once a month, I mean, it's already worth it.

Yeah, for sure, man. Yeah, like I said, I've seen three movies this week. And shit, dude, I'm probably going to see three next week, you know? There you go. For real. So, yeah, movie pass. Hey, they should be a sponsor for the horror returns, guys. Oh, we're going to call them.

I don't think they have a lot of extra money for I was gonna say with those With those kind of fees I mean I don't know they could afford any extra promotion You know what? I'm cool just to just to just to pep them I know right You can't get paid anything but be able to use my movie pass

I'm happy Yeah they're paying you By being able to watch free movies essentially For as long as you want in a month Every month man I've been putting it off I'm literally signing up right now I can't believe I don't

don't have it yet. All right, well, let's... This conversation is a lot better than this fucking movie. I know, right. So we're gonna go, we're gonna go full on spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Starting with the two older guys fucking creeping on the, on the two young chick.

Right. Okay, okay. That's, oh, thank you. Like, what the fuck was that all about? Those are like high school girls. Yeah. You know what I?

It's like, maybe of age, maybe not. Yeah. You can get, though. I mean, how long ago did it talk about?

And why is everybody okay with this? Like, clearly, you know, especially at today's age, right? Yeah. Lynn Shea, you know, she now realized, is these are her nieces, which

that whole setup, you already knew her brother was going to walk in any moment. That whole conversation in the diner. Oh, my, this is so fucking stupid. This movie's so fucking stupid. Where did it begin? So let's talk about the house.

First of all, the guy Ted Garza. So he, okay, so this is where it kind of lost me. This is like 10 minutes into the film. Yeah. So this guy, Ted, he buys a house, her house. Right. But are you telling me that nobody has lived in that house from the moment that this fucking family moved out and 10 cars that moved in that, dude. Like, what the fuck?

It was like a museum. And on top of that, and on top of that, yeah, you're really going to call somebody to come to your house and check out some sort of paranormal investigation given the situation that you have going on? And he's lived there for, what did he say? I don't even know how long he's lived. there. He just said the occurrences were happening for at least three months. And at no time he fixed his fucking house out

or nothing. And no time, do you think maybe I should let the girl out of my fucking basement before I invite people into my house? We're in full spoiler mode here, Philip. You can go ahead and say it. Yeah. You don't invite

people into your house when you have a girl locked in your basement. It's just a bad idea. I'm pretty sure. At no time that you think about throwing away that creepy old dusty-ass general's outfit that was hanging in the back for no reason. What the fuck, man? What was that all about? And then how about this one? This is like weird filmmaking that does it.

Like, this is bad script writing. So at least it's like, I got to do this myself. And I'm thinking, okay, well, well, specs and Tucker are going to have a cameo? No, they just say, we're coming with you. And that's it. Jesus, right. They never bring to buy a truck. A mystery machine.

And after that, they buy a truck and they get it painted throughout the night because it takes place the next morning. Like, they had this conversation at night. And in the morning, they just arrived with a brand new truck. Like, who's open at like four in the morning to fucking spray paint your truck? And where are you going to get a truck that big for $700? Yeah, no kidding. I was thinking the same thing. I'm like, this.

For the artwork. Show me where the fuck that is because sign me up. I'm getting new work. You know what? Guys, fuck this shit. This is one. Dude, we're not even, it's just so stupid. Like, this is like...

And another thing, where was this fucking prison at? That this house was supposed to be right next to. Oh, Jesus. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, but then... Oh, is that what it was? There was a prison underground? Oil, oil wells.

It was a prison at first, but then it was like oil wells after that. Did you all catch that? Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't in the beginning, wasn't In the beginning, wasn't, young Lin Shea, wasn't her father like a prison guard or something? And when the lights were, when the lights were flickering. For sure.

I guess that was somebody getting executed. So some of that dushy dialogue, like when the dad picks up a young Elise, just so us dummies that are watching that they have no respect for it, because we're all dumb, we're sitting there watching. And then the dad goes, I'm going to punish you because I punish people for a living. Oh, man. Just in case we missed that, huh? I will give one little bit of credit.

I did like the actress that played the young Elise. I like that whole first season. Yeah, because she really looked like, she really sounded like she was getting her ass beat. And I will give that little bit of credit because I think I'm going to go down to. to the more and more we talk about this movie. Well, I think that that first scene actually deserves a lot of credit. It was pretty good. A lot of credit, Philip.

Well, I mean, given what the movie was, but that first scene, just watching the first scene, I think that that was a good opener. And I actually had some high hopes for the movie after that. And then it turned into some like superhero garbage with a, you know, 70-year-old woman as your protagonist. I do kind of like the scene, but I kind of felt like it should have been in the third movie

when we were getting all this backstory about Elise. Yeah. And we should have just did something fresh with this one. And the thing is that, I don't know, could you guys tell me

what that dog whistle was all about? Because I'm still trying to figure it out. Like, yeah, that was dumb. I don't get it. What's the significance?

So the mom could show up and save the day because she's obviously more powerful than the key, the key ghost guy. Why? I don't know. None of that is explained.

Like, why the dog whistle has a connection to the brother, not the mom. Like, the mom has nothing to do with the dog whistle. Yeah. I mean, is this like, is this like the weeny whistle? You know, that Judge Reinhold was blowing on or what? And then like, make Santa Claus show up or what? And then they spend all this time showing us what an asshole the dad is. And then at the end, he's just like, he wants to become the hero.

Like, yeah. I know, right? Oh, I guess he's okay after all. It was, it wasn't. Yeah. And another, another thing I got to talk about, it piss. It was so easy just to defeat this key demon. Yeah.

Hell yeah, it was. Like literally. It just pushed them. What happened? Just pushed him into the service. Yeah, yeah. She just pushed him and he was gone. And the thing is that all of a sudden,

at least started getting superpowers because she, I think she was the Jedi too, bro, because she opened that game with her hand. Like, she just, she just, boom. So maybe she was the little kid with the broom, and it's all connected at the end. There you go. Well, it was just, his, his one weakness happens to be this whistle that she happened to give to her brother.

I was a dumb, man. And then what about like this, this dad, David Robinson or whatever the, what was the name again? The brother when he's old. He hasn't been in that house for like 50, 60 years. All of a sudden he wants to go find that little whistle. right yeah he wants to come back and find the fucking whistle he doesn't want to talk to his sister at all why don't want to come back and find the goddamn whistle it's just stupid what a bad movie huh and you know they're setting up the next one with the with denies

taken over you guys know that's what's going to happen oh i hope not no because she has the gift they looked like they were like literally generic blonde yeah they had no charisma either like They had no charisma. Kind of like that movie, White Chicks, huh? Yeah, it was exactly like white chicks. I just have this feeling. There's going to be another insidious, and they're going to bring the niece with the gift. Wait a minute.

I know who we need to bring in to direct the next Insidious? Damon Wians. That's the direction this shit's going. Well, that is the direction that it's going, because this one certainly wasn't a horror movie. I mean, it had some creepy stuff in it, ish. but I mean the majority of the story was not horror at all

what about the fact what about the fact that there's a murder happening in the middle of the movie and like that detective comes off for like two seconds and then nobody talks about it anymore

like that's like that's it nobody brings up the fact that a man's head got crushed and I think the this is got to be the dumbest detective in the history of the world because he believes

like like at least tells them what happened which is all supernatural and he's like, hmm, okay. But they're in the interrogation room. Yeah, it's like, oh my God, and he's like, what, what is it?

What is it? Yeah, I think he didn't want to fuck with her no more. Why does he just kind of left it alone? Why does the demon or whatever have keys on the fingers? I mean, did they ever explain that? What's the point of the keys? I didn't understand that either because he's supposed to be able to unlock the doors in the further.

Right. He didn't unlock any doors. Well, that was why he needed her, but I don't know why he needed her if he had keys for fingers.

And another thing I have a problem with that I've had a problem with a lot of movies is there were scenes in the trailer that was not in the movie. Yeah.

There's a lot of like creepy the ball, the camera or whatever. Yeah. That was in the movie. Well, And then, okay, here's where the red face guy comes in. And he just, like, pops into the corner of a fucking window.

Right. Like, he popped. He popped in the third one, too. When you uppercut somebody. And you could tell, they didn't even try to make him look like the one from the first one. Like, it was just some dude that was, like, like, hanging out. And it was like, he just kind of creeps his face. But it's like a fatter dude, like a fatter demon.

Like, he was in the Jesse Plymins diet or something. Like, that's not Matt Damon. Fuck this movie. And it was so stupid because unlike James Wong, where he knows how to stage is his scares. Like this guy at the end, he starts focusing on the spider web, bro. And I'm,

everybody that's watched this kind of films were like two steps ahead of him, which is always bad. So I'm just there waiting for, okay, give it whatever. And then all of a sudden that, you know, that fat demon comes out with his fat face and that just comes, you know,

and that's it. And it's like, ah, come on. And they did that whole fan service thing when she gets that phone call. Dalton, Dolton? Oh, yeah, that was terrible. It was terribly acted.

Oh, and then your part in the tunnel. When she was looking through the suitcases, I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? You're in a creepy-ass place. Why do you need to open all the goddamn suitcases right here? Can you not maybe pull them out of the fucking tunnel first? Oh, you know what? You know what I will say, though, guys?

Hey, no, for real, guys, I will say this. when back when she was the little kid at the beginning part that Philip said was the only good part of the movie her mom was pretty hot yeah am I right she's pretty hot when she came back and

whooped the demon's ass too I wish I had a dog whistle Viking Viking chick or something right am I don't know what the filmmaker's trying to say with the dog whistle and a woman being subservient to it that's between him dog whistle I don't know

so yeah she was she was very pretty. But the thing is like, it was just, I mean, when she, when she got killed and it's like, isn't there consequences for this?

Shouldn't at least have, like, there was no investigation. Like, she didn't go, she didn't go to juvenile detention. Like, there's all these murders,

nobody fucking cares. Right. You know? What was the fact that we learned at the end of the film that there was a living woman who was a complete stranger in the house the whole time?

You know, and she was alive. Yeah. And try to keep them from them, you know, it's like, you know, so it's like, it's stupid, bro. I mean, I'm not, I mean, it happened twice. Fucking, the Ted Garza guy had a, a, a, a live woman in there. You know what?

You know what? This, this actually could have been a good movie from the, from the first scene, like Philip was saying, that, that first scene was actually pretty well done. And then when, when she gets to the, you're right, all the shit with getting the fucking mystery machine and all that for $700 and all that bullshit, that sucked. They could have edited that out. They could have edited all that out

and just had every... Len Shea and the two guys show up. And then they said, oh, this ain't a ghost. This is a real person. And then they could have just ended the movie right there. Well, there you go.

That would have been a better movie. Am I right? Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I thought that those guys were actually a little bit funny. I mean... No.

That dude is the... Stereotypical And the guy from Fargo. Yeah, he plays like the stereotypical booger character, is what I like to call it. Yeah, that is his gimmick. He does that in all the movies. And they were funny. They just didn't fucking fit in this movie at all.

Like, why do you have them in a horror movie? And it wasn't even, yes, they were funny, but they've actually been funnier in part one. Even in part three, they were very, you know. that Fargo guy had that fucking Mr. T. Mojok going on it in part three and you know it was pretty funny but in this one like

like that whole sleazy like that whole subplot with the girls that were I think they're supposed to be now I'm looking at their their Wikipedia they're supposed to be I think they're supposed to be older than what they are or appear to be because in real in real life one is 31 and the other is

29 yeah but they didn't look at god damn those those actors are 31 and 29 they look old as fuck yeah they they oh no well even that

you're hitting on a girl who's probably 15 no he's talking about the girls Brian's talking about the girl oh okay that's the opposite they are they look well they look kind of young

okay yeah they look like yeah because I'm thinking I'm thinking about it now because Bruce Davidson wasn't he supposed to be like 60 65 so they can't be his teenage daughters

I just think like, like, you know what? Why are they still there? Why are they still living at home? Maybe because Bruce Davidson's scared, you know, his dad kind of whooped him for years.

But the thing... God damn. We got some weird dynamics going on with this family. What was it? What was the other douchey scene? Oh, yeah, yeah. When Elise tells the Spence and Tucker, I shouldn't have abandoned him.

I left him with a real monster. You know, my dad. Come on. You don't have to tell him. the real monster is, you know? Make it more obvious. Oh, God. It's just so comedic how they

squashed the beef, like, between Bruce Davidson and at least, like, terrible, terrible, man. First of all, let's try to put ourselves in their shoes. Everything that at least would have told us would have sound like bullshit. That doesn't erase the fact that you ran off when you were, like, 12, and I never

fucking saw you again. You know what I'm saying? So, so fuck that. I don't believe you. That's like how the real human motion would have been. But this fucking guy was like, oh, I forgive you. I'm sorry I left you. And then he goes, I'm sorry I left you a few years. It was like 60 years that you didn't see this bra.

60 years. Yeah, exactly. It's not like she left in years. It was 60 fucking years. Props to her for carrying a movie. It was just a bad one. I'd rather go back and watch season two of Fargo instead. Sorry.

That's the only other thing I can think that this guy's been in. And they made so many weird things out of so many different shots. Like that bus that they bought is, does I have anything to do, does I have anything to do with anything? I don't think that buzz was in part one, right? I mean, I don't remember. No, no, no, no, he bought it, didn't he?

Oh, oh, I see what you're saying. It didn't. Yeah, like, like, like, they spend so much time on that that is, it's irrelevant because they has no connection to anything. And then when they leave, like, they focus on that, on that hospital, like, we're supposed to know what it's sad. Maybe, maybe I miss something. Maybe we are supposed to be connected.

acted or something, but it just, it just, it just kind of stays in that shot of the hospital. And it's like, okay, well, I don't know what the fuck's going on here. But, but, uh, it just a fucked up as movie. Pedro, you're going to, you're going to talk me into changing this down to a half a coin, aren't you? Man, Jesus. This is, it's definitely going to end up on the bottom list. I'll give it a one for, for Phillips opening scene. Yeah.

Well, that's the only reason I gave it a three. We should have walked into the theater as soon as that scene was. over, right? Oh, I know. There were so many times, okay, here, I love movies, right? I'll sit through just about anything. Maybe not so much as Brian does, but Well, you're not, hey, you're

not like Patrick with Star Wars, let's put it that way, right? Well, yeah. But there were so many times during this movie where I was like, oh my God, when is it going to be over? Like, every time they ended with a scene and then it popped back up with Elise and she's talking again, I was like,

fuck, I thought that was the last scene. Oh, man. And there ain't no way. Did anybody stick around to see if there was a stinger at the end? No. Oh, gosh. Like, I'm going to fuck this. And there probably was, because there kind of was at the end of the first one.

Yeah, I really didn't care. Well, see, like with me, like, I was, so I was in the theater when you guys, when you guys hit me up on, well, you guys were having conversations within everybody. And it's like, okay, I'll be ready in 20 minutes. and I snuck on my phone and I saw that I'm like this fucking movie's still going on man it's like fuck so so as soon as you know

we know all the beats as movie watchers right as soon as I knew the ending was gonna come which is that fucking close up of the spider web I got up and I just went to the lobby area just to kind of hear or listen to the final scene and then I bolted out of there but I couldn't wait to get out of there man that's just dragged and dragged sure you know

it's like and then like did any be and I know I understand this isn't Lin-Shea's fault or nothing. She's just an older woman, but that hole on her throat was really distracting. Like, there was a focus of her, like, crying when Bruce Davidson didn't want anything to do with her. And, like, she had, like, a hole on her throat that just kept on sinking deeper and deep. I thought the key guy had already gotten a hold of her by that point.

He did. Why was that his ability, by the way, to just, like, lock people's voice box? Like, I don't understand what the hell he did. That was weird, man. That was weird. And wasn't the town called Five Keys Indiana or something like that? Yes, it was. Yes, it was.

I got it. Oh, man. Horrible, horrible movie. So, again, how do we find K Fabulous Lucha Brothers? On GICT1101.com. So what are, hey, why don't you and Brian talk wrestling for a little bit, man? man what are the big uh wrestling matches going on like is there uh any kind of like a a wrestling mania coming up or anything like that we just had one we had the wrestle kingdom

12 brian were you were you able to watch any of that yeah i didn't watch all of it but i did i did watch the keney omega chris jericho that was a great match well yeah well that show goes about seven hours so you have to from beginning to end um it was a great show top to bottom i mean everything delivered and the main event was also very good. So that's pretty much what's going on right now. That's what got the wrestling world talking is this Russell Kingdom 12. And then we're getting ready for the Royal Rumble, which is three weeks from now. So they're going to have two Royal Rumbles this year, the women and the men.

So that's going to be interesting. Brian, do you have any predictions as far as who's going to win the Royal Rumble? The women, I don't know. I got to type. Probably Oscar. Well, I thought because, okay, so Rondo Rousey is coming in, right? So I thought she could win, and then Oscar wins the title from Alexa Bliss, which is kind of, they've already been teasing that. And then you have your big WrestleMania match right there.

That's where I thought they were going. And then as far as the men's side, you can't have Roman Raines win the Rumble because it's in Philadelphia and they're going to shit all over it. So I figure you have Nakamura and then it'll be Nakamura and AJ at WrestleMania. So that's our my predictions. Yeah, I'll go with that. That sounds about right. But you know they'll change something the night of. Yeah, exactly.

And also, but whatever they do, they can't have Roman Raines winning. So for you, Lance, I know you don't watch, Phil, I don't know if you watch or not. But they have this guy Roman Raines, right? Okay. So WW has been trying to push as their big, baby-faced, good guy for like the last, I don't know, three, four years. He's like the new John Sina, huh? Yeah, well, that's what they want him to be.

The new Hulk Hogan, John Sina, Steve Austin. He looks a little like Aquaman. Yeah, it looks a lot. And the basis from Metallica. But the thing is, so, so, but the funny thing about that is that the audience has completely rejected them. They regurgitated this guy. They don't want, the audience is not accepting what the WWE wants to give us,

which has, which has, That can actually happen in wrestling? Lance, let me put it like this. This guy in real life, he's cousins with the rock. Okay. They had the rock come out once time with him, and they booed the rock. That never happened. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Actually, that was at the Royal Rumble two years ago. So, yeah. So that's why it's interesting right now, because right now, okay, so what happened was that wrestling lost popularity. It's lost a lot of popularity over the last, I would say, five to seven years. And what's going on is that you have this domino effect where all you're left with is the hardcore fans. Now, the hardcore fans, they're knowing what we call in the business as smart marks or smart fans where they read the newsletters,

they know who's getting pushed, quote unquote, which is a term to use where the company, you know, makes the wrestler the top star. Right. So as the hardcore fans are taking over because a lot of the casualty. are no longer there, they're more voiceless. They voice their opinion louder when they don't agree with the result of a match or where they don't agree of who's getting the wins or who's getting the losses. So it's created this weird dynamic that we're in right now. We've never been in this situation before in the history of wrestling where like the audience

is kind of dictating where they got to go. Wow. But the WW is, they're set on this Roman rain. They want this guy to be the flag bear for the company. and it's like, no, the audience doesn't want them. So right now there's this push and poo effect, and every time this guy gets a win on television, they boo the shit out of them,

and it's awkward because I'm not the... What's his name? Roman? Roman R-R-N-R-E-N-S. They always have to spell their names fucked up because they want the trade market. So anyway... All right.

I think I've seen this dude before. Yeah, see, that's when you know that you're a good... You're a good example, Lance. That's when you know that wrestling ain't hot. If you don't know the number one attraction, that means that wrestling ain't hot right now. The moment that you know who's on top right now is like, okay, wrestling is hot because if it hits the non-fan, like automatically, then, you know. Like the household name, like I was able to spit out like John Sina and the Rock, Hulk Hocon, you know.

And those, and John Sina is kind of like, he's kind of like being pushed, like faced out a little. He's still there, but he's not. The company doesn't revolve around anymore because he's getting older. And, you know, it's time we have a new guy. But, you know, Roman Raines is not the guy. Okay. So that's what's going on in wrestling right now. I kind of like looking at the divas.

Well, that's everybody. I mean, you and me both. My wife watches Dancing with the Stars. And there's one chick that was on, damn, she's hot. Yeah, Nikki Bella. Yeah, she's actually engaged with Tina. Yeah, John Cena's wife, right? Yeah.

Well, yeah, it's fiance. What's her name again? Nikki Bella. Nikki? Yeah, N-I-K-I or K-K-I. Yeah, I'm looking at her. And there's a twin. Yeah, there's two of them, Lance.

Any chance of getting a porno anytime soon here? That's very straightforward right there. So they are twins, but they look nothing alike. That's what I'll say about those. Really? That's unusual. Well, surgically, they look nothing. That's what I was going on.

So, yeah, so that's pretty much what's going on. As far as, as you say, porno, quote unquote, yeah, divas tend to be a little promiscuous, and they tend to have their phones where they shouldn't be, and people have gotten a hold of their eye clouds, and there's stuff out there on particular divas, if that's what you want. Sure, why not? Where do I go? I don't know, so.

Okay. All right. Well, the one chick, China, China got into porno for a while, remember? Yeah. I think she was the Sheehulk, right? In a porn parody of the Avengers? No, I'm serious, guys. Wasn't she?

Yeah, but she needed some money there in her later years. Right. She since passed away, though. She passed away like two, three years ago, I think. Yeah, I heard about that. man but you know what a lot of these wrestlers not not to go off too much on a tangent from talking about the last key but a lot of these uh wrestlers get it getting i mean they start out with steroids right but then don't they get into a lot of uh cocaine and different drugs like that

that causes a lot of health uh yeah yeah yeah what what what it is is that you know wrestling is a daily it's a daily thing like you know it's not like it's not like boxing or mma where you train for one big fight. Like you could train for three big fights in a year. Wrestling is a carnival show. It's like the Harlem Globetrotters. It goes from city to city to city to. They're just basically traveling gypsies is what they are.

And so that ring, I've been in a fair number of rings in my time. Those rings are not soft, man. Those rings are hard. You see what I'm saying? So when you're getting slammed every night and punched and a couple of those punches go through and you get potatoed, you're in a lot of pain. So at night, when you're trying to go to bed, you can't go to bed because you're hurting. So what you do is you start abusing pain pills and you start abusing sleeping pills.

Now, a lot of the times your flight is booked to go out at 6 in the morning. So what happens when you, you know, first of all, you just came off a show and you're, you're amped up because it's a show. Yeah, you're amped up. Sure. So you go to the hotel, so you're probably going to go to a bar and drink and then you're going to go to the hotel and take a couple of pain pills and then you need a sleeping aid well at this point it's like two in the morning you got to be up at five to catch your plane so at that point you need a little bit of you need you need some uppers so you're gonna you're gonna take a line of coke and then you're gonna go catch your plane and it's like a it's like a rat race that never ends so eventually you're in a vivid picture man yeah so eventually it's like

these guys end up becoming they're all a mess because at the end of their careers over their addicts and you know they can adjust to everyday life because they've been on the road for 10 years and it makes it makes it very difficult for them to kind of adapt to normal life and a lot of them don't and they just become wrecks until they die and a lot of them do die young unfortunately yeah well there's a horror movie that is that is uh well you know what i mean the movie the wrestler with mickey roared that's a great representation of a life wrestler i implore anybody that that wants to I mean, it's very simplistic because, you know, the life of a wrestler, you could do an entire season of television. But if you want to get an introduction of what it is, watch the wrestler. That was a great film that really understood what it's like to be a wrestler. Kind of like the real deal, huh? Yeah, exactly. And then even besides the drugs, forget about everything I just told you.

There's also the fame aspect. A lot of these guys, they can't have a regular job because they were so used to, like, the nororiety and, you know, the fame that once. Once that's gone, that's another thing they have a hard time adjusting to. Well, to go on a different topic, before we sign out, I got to give a quick shout out to our boy, Patrick, who gave us so much fucking bullshit about the Last Jedi. This guy. You're wrong, Patrick. It's amazing. He raked us over the coals.

He told us how wrong we were. He took his dick and slapped us all in the face with it about how shit. about how shitty the Last Jedi is. Patrick, what happened to your Kansas City team in football today, brother? Oh, no, yeah, I couldn't believe that. Oh, shit. What happened? Tennessee Titans?

What? Who? Huh? They're the playoffs? Phillip? Playoffs. Philip, you saw the game, right? Um, I didn't see the game.

I just saw the, uh, I saw that they came back from like an 18-point deficit or something stupid. and a team that probably shouldn't even have been in playoffs to begin with against a pretty damn good Kansas City Chiefs team. Yeah, really good Kansas City Chiefs team. So that was a surprise kicking the nuts. Wow. So all three of you liked The Last Jedi, right? We loved it.

Yeah. We loved it, man. Holy shit. What about you? Oh, you're a hater? Are you a pan? No, no, no, no. No, Jesus, I could feel your guns blazing already, man.

No, no, no, no. Look, I'm not a... I think both extremes are kind of... They're kind of wrong. I think the... I'm kind of... I was just a little underwhelm, but I am not a hater. I understand why people enjoyed it.

But at the same time, if you're over the moon with it, give me a break on that, too. And I know you guys are. Because it's like, the movie had a lot of faults. Like, it really did. Right. Is it as bad as everybody says it was? No, it wasn't.

It was a good Star Wars film. It was certainly not as bad as some of these guys are making it out to be. I mean, there's a lot of reasons for that. You know, at the end of the day when you're a fanboy, you get so invested in this world that when you don't get what you want, you're going to start lashing out. You know, you're going to start pouting, and I see that. And that's also the wrong reaction. But you also can sit there and say, okay, well, they didn't do anything wrong with this film because there was a lot of things wrong with this film. Like, even fundamentally, like, I got a question for you.

guys. So there's a scene where and I'm not going to break it down because we don't have time. This is just one of the scenes that bothered. We get all the time in the world, man. So I suddenly haven't a lot of extra time now. Let's go. So there's a scene where Ray is in the, at the end, where she's in the millennia fawking with Chewy.

And she comes and helps out the rebellion or whatever the, or the, or the, whatever the fuck they're called now. They switch names resistance, rebellion. So the thing is, um, all of us, she comes in early on when, right after the whole, uh, Luke's scene where he where he does his shoulder,

which is so, Luke would never do that, but I'm not going to go that route. Nah, he just did, he just did that for fun, man. He just did that for fun. Well,

you can't, I don't know, I feel you can be reconning care. I can't say Luke would never do that, man. He's, he changes too, you know? You're not a retcon,

a character of 38 years later. It's just, it's different. So check it out. Anyway. So all of us, so Ray comes in, she helps out,

and then she fucking gets lost for the remainder of the movie, because that, because when they come, back to her, she's looking for where the fuck they went. Like, don't you see some ATVs or whatever the fuck those things are called?

You were just blasting them like a minute ago. And then you vanish from the movie and then when you come back you're like, we're in Jewie, well, you know, she can't find them and then she sees the fucking cave or whatever. And then boom, boom, boom, whatever, right? Okay. Yeah. But

I just have an issue with the fundamental thing. Like that's just bad filmmaking in my opinion. That's nothing to do with the story. Like, I don't care about these fanboys talking shit about Luke, because I agree with you guys. You know, I have degrees in psychology, and I understand that in 30 years,

guess what? People change, right? That's just the fact of life. However you saw the world 30 years ago, it's not how you're going to see it 30 years from now. So the fact that he was a little darker, and the fact that he did things that he didn't do in Jedi, it's part

of storytelling. People evolve or devolve. Take your pick. So that's not a big issue with me. Well, the big issue with me is little, little fundamental aspects of the story that Ryan Johnson, as a filmmaker, he didn't, he didn't do right, you know? Like, like, even with the, even when, when, um, when Damarin introduces himself to Ray, like, at the end of Force Awakens, they're like standing right there next to each other. Now, I do understand because this happened to all of us in life that we could be working next to somebody in a cubicle for 10 years. I don't think that was it, though. I think he should be right. It could be an oversight, man.

And we'll never introduce ourselves, right? Like, you could be working next to somebody for 30. But, but, so I'll let that one go. But, but I could even throw that one in there as a fundamental mistake. Like, little things like that that showed to me, this is the way I see it. I feel like Ryan Johnson, he went in there just, first of all, I don't think, sometimes I wonder if he even saw the Force Awakens, to be honest with you. Oh, come on, dude.

That's rough, dude. You and Patrick, man. You all need to get a room. Oh, like, like, I mean. like i mean like like dude they're standing right there at the end of force awake is why the fuck listen no come on

dude that could not have been an oversight by all the producers and all the people involved in these big budget movies you think that slipped past everybody pedro don't get me start on the merry poppin scene bro because that really upset me oh i was fine with that yeah i didn't have a problem with that

i see what you're talking about with the uh coming back around and you know where the fuck did they go for the rest of the fight thing no. And then the fin where he like is somehow the only little vehicle to make it all the way to the end and then Rose crashes into him. And somehow they're like sitting there having a conversation without the whole First Order annihilating them. And then like General Huck's like General Huggs like he became part of the three stoogges in part two. I mean, yeah, last Jedi. And then you compare him to Force Awakens where he. He was this badass fucking Hitlerish kind of dictator, including a speech that I swear was taken out of fucking 1943 Germany and shit, which was pretty awesome.

And he had the biggest turn, like as far as like me thinking that Ryan Johnson didn't give a fuck about the mythology previously established, because that is not the general hugs that we were introduced to. He just created that new character. And I think this is what concerns me. I think ever since Storr kind of got big, because Storr got big. because story got big, you know, with the yuck-yuck thing. I hope Disney doesn't think that that's the way all these movies have to be now. I don't think it's going to be a joke from now on, huh? Yeah.

I think that we're going to learn a whole lot more about this movie once episode 9 comes out and everything is tied together. And all the people that are hating on this one are going to be like, oh, man, they set that up perfectly. Well, I hope you're right. Because again, I was just indifferent. My only thing about those haters, though, is that if you know anything about humans' egos, is that they will not allow themselves to believe that.

So they're still going to be hating on it no matter what. They've already been fine. And if any admission that they were wrong about the last Jedi, it's an admission that they don't know what the fuck they're talking about, which their ego will not allow them to say. So they'll make all kinds of excuses. It's just weird that they split JJ Abrams up in the middle of this, you know? like because regardless of what happens i mean i feel like uh he's even if this last one is really kick-ass

they're going to be like oh well yeah the last jada i suck because it was a different director and then you know he's got his own trilogy going and people are going to hate that but you know they're going to pay money to see it anyway but still well well here's the thing though is that he wasn't the original director the original director was the last the lost world guy and he got fired um So, so, um, I'm thinking, uh, could this guy have it? Did, uh, the, the last world guy that he had issues with, with Ryan Johnson and where he was taking it? Because Ryan Johnson is kind of a dick, bro. He literally gave whoever was going to direct part three nothing to work with.

Is that true? Is that true? Yeah, look, look, the original, JJ was not. Colin Trevor. Yeah, Colin Trevell was the original director. He left last year. He said, fuck this. So, so, so again, it was supposed to be JJ, Ryan Johnson,

and Colin Trevall as the three guys. And I'm thinking that... See, I didn't know that. Yeah, there's a lot of drama with all this shit. We got to have you on every week, dude. You educate us a thousand times over and so... Hold on, hold on. Colin Treviro?

Yeah, just go to the last world. He's a hack tool, bro, so we didn't lose much. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Is this the fucking asshole that did Jurassic World? Yeah. I said the last world I thought the yeah

Jurassic world Okay okay That movie fucking suck Dude dude Well that's what I'm saying We didn't do so much So So

He did one He did one indie movie Call Safety Not Guaranteed That was okay The guy from Creep was in it That was cool Yeah that was a good movie

And Aubrey Aubrey Plaza was in it right I like I like how you You said Jay Duplas You have like All kinds of options

To choose from And you said The guy from creep. Okay. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying, though, right? Okay.

Yeah. That movie was actually pretty good. Safety not guaranteed was good. And so was creep and creep too. Very good. Very good. But Jurassic World? Nah, fuck that movie.

And fuck the... So there's been a lot of drama. And then, like, I don't like that whole, like, left-wing fucking, you know, liberal agenda that we had. Like, we get it. Rich people are bad. They sell weapons to fucking, you know, corrupt politicians, don't eat animals,

don't fucking hurt the animals. You're talking about Benicia del Toro's character? No, no, I'm talking about that whole, like, and I think that's Kathleen Kennedy because she's kind of like, she wants that whole female empowerment thing to get started up real good, and it's like, all right, we get it.

You don't have to force feed us all this fucking, you know, liberal's agenda you have here, you know? Female empowerment, liberal or otherwise, was big in 2017, brother. You can't, you can't, You can't argue with that. I mean, you know, the movies that came out in 2017, there were, there were a lot of women on top. Let me put it to you that way.

That is true. That is true. But at the same time, in order to be a good storyteller, you know, you have to run these, you have to run the heroes through the ringer in order for them to rise up. That's the hero's journey in any story ever told. So, you know, this Ray character is like, like, I understand she lost her parents and all that, which pretty much got blown. off in this film. Like, whatever,

it was like a whatever line. It wasn't even, even though that was built up, it was like a, and I understand they might come back to that in part three if, if Kylo was fucking lying.

But, where's her arc? Like, she has no arc. Like, you know, she's just there. She's just a character in the movie now.

There's no arc for her anymore, you know? There is no arc for Finn anymore. Finn should have died in that scene going into the fucking, that would have been. I kind of wish he did. That's perfect.

I'm sorry. I like, I like, I like, I like that character. I mean, you like him as a character, but his original story arc, what is there for him to do anymore other than be a character in a movie and finding reasons for him to be around? He used to have this dilemma about whether he was, you know, FN, whatever, which was a stormtrooper, or to be a hero, right? And then when he met, this is one thing I did like about The Last Jedi.

When he met DJ, which was Beniso's character, he kind of learned that you could be ambiguous because sometimes you got to do what you got to do to survive. so that that kind of so finn kind of realized that and then when he was going to sacrifice himself rose kind of told them well sometimes you got to do things out of love there is no he was trying so hard to have a definition of what a hero is and that's what that's what the force awakens and the first half of this film was about but now that they've established that and he killed his he killed phasma you know which was his which was another thing that was bullshit this phasma was his trainer that was and this fucking guy just killed like you know anyways so Yeah, and she didn't get much screen time, did you?

Yeah. No, but I just, it was way too even of a fight for the experience of both Fasma and Finn. You know, Finn was a student of hers. He should, but I will give her credit that it was kind of like a low blow that kind of got rid of. It was not like she, he took her out by himself. All right, dude. The way you're talking, I'm going to give you Patrick's phone number. Hold on.

I'm sitting you Patrick's phone number right now because you two need to get a room, man. I'm telling you, dude. I can definitely. see all the downfalls. I mean, to be fair, though, like, Finn, I have really no interest in what his character does from here on out. I'm still very invested in Ray and Poe and all those. And I'm so, I hope to God that they bring something with Snoke into episode nine. You don't care what happens to, what happens to Finn at this point?

Nah, I really don't, man. Ah, come on, dude. He's a bad story, man. They might do something pretty cool, but he's been sort of a side plot. Now he's going to be a totally different character, man. Now he's going to develop into something new. Watch. He's not developed.

He's not developed. He's got to have some faith. He needs some sort of tie-in. He's got to be like... I'll be not Landl's kid. Oh, he might be Landau's kid. No, come. That's way too fan service.

Oh, no, I'd love that. Little Landau, huh? Landau Jr. Mace Windu. So from what everybody says, this Han movie solo, it's a big mess production-wise. That's what I've heard. And then it's funny because they're actually going to release it in May. So we're only like four months away from it.

And the thing about that is that their Avengers is coming out during that time, which I'm very excited for. And I think they're going to sacrifice it to the movie guys. I think they're going to throw it out in May and they're going to say, look, well, Avengers came out. it's not our fault and then that's it that's gonna be their excuse that's gonna be their excuse of why fucking Han Solo is gonna underperform

because why didn't they keep the original November date like they had been doing over the last two three years and then it's like the Han Solo character if anybody knows about Star Wars that character only works in doses you can't you can't I don't see that's what I was concerned with

it's like I don't know if you guys watch the office, but you can't have a whole movie with fucking Dwight Shrewd. He only comes in and out and doses and it's like, okay, that's cool, you know? And same thing with Han Solo. It's like, you know, he's witty. He's charming. He comes in with the one-liners and he steps off, you know?

If you're going to do an entire movie around him, first of all, I think he's going to hurt the, you know, the legacy of Han Solo. And second of all, he's going to kind of get annoying. Like, he's going to get fucking annoying after a while. I just hope they still, They still at least feature the force, even though in a new hope, he says that he's been across the galaxy and never seen anything about the force.

And I think they... You're right to die in the hell out of this now. Right. They need to contribute something to the Star Wars universe, I think. This schedule is rough. They got Deadpool 2 the week after. Hey, that movie pass, brother. I was talking about box office for solo.

They got, they got... We get you. Hey, the good news is Clint Howard's going to be in it. That's always good for a horror movie of a fictional. Maybe he can play a little bald alien child, huh? Like the Star Trek episode, right? Yeah. Oh, he also did that Twilight Zone episode where he was like a little boy genius in the 80s.

That's right. right. I forgot about that one. I think that episode is called The Boy Who Could Predict Earthquakes. That's literally the title of the episode. Yeah, that sounds about right, man. But you know what? I know I saw, I came up like a hater. I'm not. As a popcorn movie, I had a good time watching The Last Jedi. I have no problems with it.

You know, as far as like whether or not it was a bad film or, you know, it was, it was a good, it was an okay movie, you know. It's like. That's as far as we're going to get you to go. Brother, it wasn't no fucking, the last key fucking insidious. That's a bad movie. Now, that's a movie. Well, let me ask you, let me ask you this question then. If you went to go see The Last Jedi and you thought it was going to go a certain way,

were you surprised at least with some of the turns they made toward the end of it? Yeah, no, I mean, I was surprised during the Snoke scene. Like, like, and it was very well shot, and it was like, the, well, he got cut in half, and it was just, you know, that was awesome. That's one of the most kick-ass scenes in Star Wars history. And then, like, and then they started, you know, Kylo and Ray team up for a little bit, and you think Kylo's going to be good, but he actually becomes like the number one villain, which is kind of what I think, that's what the last, I really love that about that movie. I love how there ain't no fucking around anymore. Like, Kylo went all over, he went over as far as being the villain. he's the actual villain now we have an established one i still feel like you need some secondary villains in there

to kind of you know get some get something for the secondary characters yeah and they killed off phasma already well i'm thinking because he because i feel like episode nine is gonna have the knights of wren now oh okay yeah those are those are the jedi that he took with him when he destroyed luke's fucking little temple there so maybe maybe okay i haven't gone down the youtube rabbit hole like phil has so i don't there's a thing that I don't have. But so I feel like we are going to have another batty that we haven't seen yet. But then again, I start thinking, is episode nine too late to introduce a new character? And it's like, okay, well, fuck it.

But I'm still going to be there. I mean, I'm not one of these fucking assholes that say, oh, fuck that. I'm never going to pay. No, no, fuck that. I'm going to be there opening night. Like, I've been there since fucking 1999, like an idiot. Right. Yeah, we'll all be there for sure.

Okay, cool. All right, you guys are ready to wrap up? Yep. Okay, so listeners, you got a double episode this week. I think everything, every time Pedro's on, it's an extra long show. That's cool. I'm long-winded, man. I say a lot.

Look, dude, man, we really appreciate you being on, and, I mean, you're welcome back any time. I hope you're at Frightmare, man. I'm definitely going to hit you up if I'm there. definitely. I mean, it's always a good time. All right. Well, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the Horror Returns.

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Yeah, the group is awesome. So next week it's our much anticipated annual top and bottom five show. And we also introduce a new category because why not? It's called The Horror Returns. So we got a new category for best superhero films in the year, right, Brian? Yes, we do. Okay, that's going to change my list. Yep, it will.

Brian, give us the quick outline, man. Give us the running. Okay, we are going to be about... We are going to give you our top five, our bottom five, which will consist of horror, sci-fi, and thriller. And we'll throw on some honorable and dishonorable mentions. and then we're also going to give you our top three superhero movies, our best TV show, and our worst TV show,

and kind of our most anticipated for 2018. All right, so let's cover. Okay, okay, real fast. For me, it's Logan and Worst TV shows The Defenders. That's it. Ouch. There you have it, man. That's kind of what we're talking about.

Logan was awesome. Logan's my favorite superhero. It might be. my first superhero movie of all time. I gotta think about that. That might be... Pretty good. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not to give too much away, but I'm sure it'll be somewhere

on everybody's list. Am I right, Brian? Yeah. And you guys all agree with me that the defenders were shit, right? No, I didn't like it. I was disappointed. I didn't finish it. I kind of like it. I kind of liked it. I enjoy it. I think if they would have did the regular...

I think if they would have did the regular 13 episodes, then I think it would have been shit for me. Favorite because it came out December 28th, so it still counts as Black Mirror Season 4 for me. Oh, there you go, man. Perfect. All right. Perfect.

So we're going to delay the prisoner episode until probably next month because of Jack Falvey. Couldn't be available because of the fucking Patriots. I'm sure they're going to go to the Super Bowl and that asshole has season. and tickets to every game. Does he?

Yeah. That's pretty amazing. Yeah, it's probably be a couple of extra weeks, but we're still going to do it. Pedro, have you ever seen that TV show The Prisoner from 67, 68? No, I haven't, but I've heard about it. Yeah, it's badass, dude. You've got to check it out. I will.

Is it streaming anywhere right now? Brian, where did you find it? I'll send you a link. We'll talk about that after the show. Okay. So until the horror returns again, Philip.