The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #87: Wishmaster (1997) & Wish Upon (2018) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: August 16, 2022

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In horror This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends Each episode We seek out and review a brand new horror movie Or in this case What about six months old maybe Brian? Yeah I would say

Had to do it Then go back and find a classic work with similar themes We do include spoilers for the new film. However, we will wait until the very end of the show to spoil the new feature. And unlike last week where I forgot to put the spoiler alert in there, we'll remember this week. So you will hear a spoiler alert. No big loss on last week. No shit.

I was going to say, if we had to pick a week to do it, that wasn't a bad one, huh? Yeah. Well, if you guys don't want to hear the spoilers, just turn us off at that point, and we promise you won't miss the thing. You can pick it up later after you see the movie. We generally assume that you guys have already seen the classic film, so there will always be spoilers when discussing anything that has been out for at least a year. The other thing that we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies do tend to be R-rated,

so you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host Brian and Phillip. How's it going, guys? It's going good. Not too bad. Yeah. Well, Brian, other than the weather, man, that minus two you were telling us about, what's the cool of the week besides that? First of all, I want to say happy birthday to Stephen Loblad.

Oh, nice. I just wanted to thank him for supporting the show. Cool. Sir. And I got a cool and I got a fucking nowhere near cool of the week. Uh-oh. I got half of that. I'll start with the cool.

keeping with my mission to keep current with everything coming out I got to watch Tragedy Girls Oh yeah And I know Yeah

I know this one was on a lot of people's top ten list I'm gonna say it might have snuck into my top ten If I've seen it last year No shit Really? If not it would have been an honorable mention Yeah Carl McCullough reminded us that

we watched that on the week he was on the show. That must have been the mother's show. Yeah, we sure did. Yeah, I recommend that there is a lot of horror references in this. Basically, the premise, I'm not going to give it away. The premise is, there's two girls, they run

like a blog called the Tragedy Girls. And they kind of follow like murders and stuff like that. And they kind of want to get into the action themselves. Yeah, I don't want to give too much away, but

it's a fun movie. It has I don't know the actress's name. She was in Deadpool, Necasonic Teenage Warhead. Yeah, the one with the shaved head, right? In Deadpool? Yeah. Yeah, she's in it and she's pretty good. She was in season two of the X's assist also. All right, cool.

Just making a name for herself then. Yeah. The other fun... Negasonic Teenage Warrior, that is her name. Yeah, and the other fun thing is to point out all the horror references they got throughout the movie.

There's quite a few that if it doesn't get mentioned, there's like a scene that reminds you of another movie and that's pretty fun to catch that stuff. Am I not cool of the week? I finally finish the open house on Netflix.

No. No. This has already broke into my worst of the year list. Oh, then I, unfortunately, I have to see it if it's that bad. It makes no sense.

My wife actually watched this with me. She kept asking me, like, what the fuck are we watching? What is going on because it there's like stuff that happens in a movie that you're just like what huh yeah and it and it happens over and over did you did you watch it I did that was good that was gonna be mine too I'm gonna I'm gonna join in your conversation here uh because that was my not so cool of the week it was so boring the whole thing that's bad that terrible huh it was just boring I didn't want to watch it

and the ending was stupid. It made no, it just, it didn't explain anything. Yeah. Well, and even the scary parts were not that scary. It was like, I don't know. I don't even remember entirely what happened and I watched it like two days ago. Wow. Yeah, I agree with you.

I don't know what happened. And, yeah, the, already, already on my worst. list. So, yeah, that was my cool and not cool of the week. So is it, is it really that bad, though, or is it just boring? Both. I mean, it's, it's hard

to, it's hard to say because, I mean, we reviewed, what was that movie last week? The Day of the Dead bloodline. Right. And that was, that was bad. But, like, acting, like, everything was bad on that one. So bad,

it's bad, huh? Yeah. This one, I mean, I felt like the acting was okay. Really? It was just, I mean, yeah, they were believable. It was just, it was boring and I didn't care. Nothing happened, huh? Yeah. Well, and it wasn't even like a nothing happened.

Like, you remember that movie that we watched last year? What was it? The thing with the Red D. Oh, Avatar. No, no, no, the thing, it comes at night. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that was one.

like built up and built up and built up and nothing happened? Yeah, it almost made my bottom five because of that. Okay, yeah, this is way worse than that, because there's no buildup and still nothing happens. Oh, that's not good. That's not good. Yeah. Oh, I still have to watch it, though.

I was hoping for more. Right. Well, you got a cool of the week, Phil? Uh, nope. That was supposed to be my cool of the week, and it did not work out for me. All right. Well, guess what I've got, guys.

I've got a cool of the week, and the not so cool of the week are the same movie. What are the odds? What to see a movie at the theater? The movie is fucking terrible. Den of Thieves with Gerard Butler. Oh, no. Wait, what happens in that movie?

I can't say anything. thing. All I'm going to tell you is that there's a quote unquote twist ending that's oh man how can I say this without giving it away it's very similar to the twist ending of a movie that a particular

actor who's alleged for sexual assault was in about 20 years ago that may or may not way more specific than this point which actual was that yeah when you see it you'll know what I mean but it's like is it it was it action i can't remember what that movie was about yeah it was it was it was action i mean there was a lot of gunfire but there was such stupid parts like where the cops and the and the bank robbers would

like have a big gunfight in the middle of traffic like with people in and all the cars just shooting through the cars at each other better get out the way oh man it was so bad uh but here's the cool of the week on it was the was the performance of one Pablo Schrever. I played Maryman, the main crook. Yeah. That dude

is a great actor, man. You guys have seen him in American Gods, right? Yeah, and up until now, I didn't realize, you guys have watched Orange's New Black. Oh, but my, no, but my wife pointed that out to me. Yeah.

Yeah, I didn't realize that was him in it. What was his character's name, Brian? Oh, in oranges? I can't think of his... But he plays like a sleazy kind of prison guard. He was like the creepy guy with the mustache. Cornstash, yeah. Cornstack, guys, come on.

Yeah, pornstash. And he was in a few episodes of Law & Order SVU, I remember. I would never would have caught that. Yeah. That's my wife's favorite show, but she hates those episodes. They kept bringing him back. Yeah, I kind of did too. I still like him as an actor. I think he's good. I haven't seen him in anything that I didn't like him, but he was really, really good in this movie.

He didn't come anywhere near saving it, but, you know, hey, I had to have a cool of the week somehow. I didn't know his name was Pablo. That makes him even better. Yeah. Pablo Schreiber and he's half-brothers with Leves Shriver. Oh. Yeah. Check that out.

I don't know if they share. They just like naming their kids weird shit. Yeah. Yeah. He's a Canadian. He's a Canadian of all things. So go figure that out. But I guess my cool of the week is happy birthday, Stephen Loblad.

How about that? There you go. Yeah. Stephen Loblad is a cool. All right, Brian, we got any headlines, man? Let's see. The second project they're doing is a TV show, a TV horror comedy called Truth Seekers. And the premise of that is it's about a three-person paranormal investigation team.

Each installment of True Seekers will focus on a paranormal incident, a setup with a clear monster of the weak potential. So it kind of sounds like a horror comedy version of like a, not twice, It's on, what is it, X-Files. Oh, okay, okay. Or ghosted, maybe? Yeah. But it's definitely comedy, yeah. I don't know.

Yeah, it's a, a stressed effect that it's going to be a horror comedy. Okay, I'm cool with that. I mean, these guys in a horror comedy, what can go wrong? Sean of the Dead, you know? I guess you're right. It just seems like we're going to the well one too many times. Like, didn't we say that about something last week? Oh, yeah.

The 80s, the 80s stuff. Yeah. But it's these two dudes in particular. They found something they're good at. I'm willing to let them keep on doing it. All right. Fair enough. I know, I know, I'll give it a try.

Let's see here. Robocop is getting a direct sequel. Huh? Okay. Which one? The original, and it said that it will ignore the sequels and the reboot, according to original Robocop writer Michael Minor. What? Okay.

So, okay, this is like a Robocop 2 from, like, it's a sequel to the original Robocop? That's what they're trying to do. Oh, God. Peter Weller must be 60, right? Yeah. Yeah. The question I've seen somebody brought up online. was is the sequel, well, the direct sequel,

going to be in the 80s or in current time? You know, that's like this Halloween thing, man. God only knows until we see it, right? Because the last thing I seen Peter Weller in was a sons of anarchy, and he was old as shit in that show. He looked rough. Yeah, but the original Robocop was pretty kick-ass. Oh, yeah.

He wasn't Sons of Anarchy. See, I forget who these people are when I haven't seen them in 20 years. I mean, for me personally, I'm kind of okay with it. I mean, all the original people that made that first one good are back working on it. But I don't know. It's just kind of weird when they do this kind of, what is the Tyra Redcon? Redcon, sure. Yeah.

You're supposed to just forget everything else just existed. Right. But, um... That's what piss some Star Wars fans off. Yeah. But, I mean, I'm going to judge it until I actually

see something, so... Could be good. Could be really bad. Let's see... I'll at least wait until I see the preview. It sounds okay, maybe. Yeah. Unless it sounds straight to BOD trash.

Yeah. Yeah. God, I hope not. Are you guys, did you guys ever play the video game, Duke Nukem? Yes. Oh, yeah.

My dad and I play that all. John Cena is in talks to play Duke Nukem. John Cino. That's perfect, perfect casting, dude. Yeah. He looks just like you, man. Do you guys think he can be a movie star? John Sina?

Yeah. I don't know. I went to see that movie Ferdinand with the granddaughters this weekend. The animated movie where he was the voice of Ferdinand. God, what a bad movie. It wasn't very bad. But I don't think, I don't know if he can hold that against him, you know? I mean, he was just providing the voice.

He was pretty hilarious. I was asking train wreck. Yeah, I was just asking because... Oh, yeah. That's right. What were you saying? Brian, sorry about that. I was just asking because I forgot to mention I watched the Royal Rumble

WWV pay-per-view yesterday. Oh, yeah. And when he showed up, the John Cena sucks chance were very loud. Really? Because, yeah, yeah, they kind of match it up with... I don't know if you ever heard it. They match it up with his... song and they kind of sing

John Cena sucks. Is he supposed to be like a bad guy right now? No, it's just it's the the fans are kind of divided on him. It's basically the adults,

the adult males hate him, but the women and children love him. Ah, okay. That's weird. And it was, I can imagine just being in the arena because it was, it sounded like it was loud.

So, So he's very polarizing, huh? Yeah, which I forgot to bring up probably one of my coolest little week, Miranda Rousey showed up at the very end. And I'm really happy that she's doing. She looked really happy being there. And all these people that are down on her, you can suck it. Hey, what, man, she loses one fight and everybody hates her,

all of a sudden. Well, she lost two big ones. Yeah. Yeah, but let me, let me bring up, let me get on my soapbox here. That first fight she lost, that chick that beat her Holly Holie Holm has lost her last, has lost her last four out of her five fights. So, it's, it's the fight business, you know, people lose. I just, me personally, I didn't appreciate everybody turned on her because she was the greatest thing and then she lost and then she was the most overrated.

But I'm glad she's doing into WWE doing something that it was really cool. She showed up in a and basically she had kind of a rowdy, rowdy piper t-shirt on that said Rhonda. Uh-huh.

And she had a leather jacket. And what I read the leather jacket was Routy Piper's and it was a loan tour by his son to wear last night. So that was pretty cool. Oh, yeah.

That was like one of her wrestling idols. Yeah, I heard she had to get, like, permission to use that, uh, that rowdy nickname while she was in a UFC, uh, from Radi Rottie Piper. So I guess she's pretty close with their family. Yeah. Sounds that way. So back on back. She may as well get into wrestling.

She can't, if she can't win any real fights anymore. Oh. Had to do that, right? Money's got to be better. I still think she can't. She's got to get away from them trainers. You got to change it up. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, she's still acting too, isn't she? Oh, God. No, she lost a lot of her movie stuff. Hmm. Okay. She's terrible. Oh, my God.

Have you ever seen her in a movie? She's an awful actress. Oh, she's not that bad. Is she? She was supposed to, like, star in some remake of Roadhouse or something. And I was like, What? But they give, they give, they give, uh, Gina Carano, like,

all kinds of shit. Right. And they had to, what was that movie? They had to get someone to do the, her voice or something for an entire movie. Was that the Stevensonberg movie that she was in? Yeah, a Haywire. Yeah, they had to get somebody to do her voice. Yeah, because it was horrible, like her acting.

So that's, if you watch the movie Haywire, that's not. her voice. Oh, wow. Okay. That makes me sad because I really like her. But back on subject, John Sina is in talks to do the movie, you know? John Sina.

I think he'll be good in it. I do. Depending, I don't know. Video game movies are not the greatest. I mean, the guy co-host stuff all the time. He was on like the Today Show or some shit the other day. And I was asking my wife, I was like, what the fuck is he doing here?

she's like oh yeah he does this sometimes he comes on and co-host no shit really and his uh his new movie looks pretty funny uh cock blockers or blockers or whatever it is that looks really good man yeah all right let's let's get back on track here uh cloverfield the third cloverfield movie is rumored to be coming to netflix instead of the What do you guys think about that? Why would they do that? I mean, it worked with... Yeah, but a thing that I'm hearing is they didn't have enough time to really put the effort into this movie because JJ Abrams has been busy with other things.

Yeah. Wow. And that would make a lot of sense because this movie's had a couple delays. Right. So, I don't know. The God particle? Yeah, which the rumored title of this is Cloverfield Station, which I think this is supposed to be set in space. I like God partner.

Hmm. Well better. Yeah, I did too, man. I was really looking forward to that, actually. Yeah. Going down the trail to Loserville. I guess one of the, I guess one of the, I guess one of the. good things that I've heard is we might get if it's coming to Netflix we might get it sooner

than later. I mean, it's the only thing, I don't know, this sounds like it might be bad. Yeah. Let's see. Happy Death Day sequel. The director, Christopher Landon, has an idea for a sequel that would, that the idea is being compared to Back to the Future. Oh, that could be cool, man, if they do it the right way.

And he said it would answer a lot of questions that was asked in the first movie. Oh, interesting. Were there really that many questions that were asked in the first movie? I know, it was just a good, it was just a good straightforward story, man. Yeah, I kind of want to rewatch it. I've been meaning to rewatch it, but I was thinking the same thing. I didn't have any questions. No, but I could, hey, I'm all about it.

Why is she reliving the same day, I guess? Yeah, I guess. But I kind of like not knowing. Yeah. Right. I'm ready to give it. I'm ready to give it a chance. Is it going to be the same creative team?

I believe so. And I believe, damn, I can't remember her name, the actress. I think she's on board to come back. Oh, Jessica Roth or whatever? Yes. Yes. What was her name, Tree? She's in a chick flick now.

Yeah, Tree. She's in some chick flick that's out right now, and she's supposed to be in the Valley Girl remake, too. Yeah, I figured off of that movie she would get a ton of rolls, because she was really good. Yeah, she's really good. But I'm definitely down. It sounds like a cool idea for a sequel,

so I guess we'll wait to see more, hear more news. on that and that is the last bit of news we have. Is that it? Yep. All right. So you boys ready to take a trip, Philip? To the trailer park? The trailer park?

Trailer park. What are you talking about, boy? Then blow it away. Where are we going to go, Brian? Are we already at the trailer park? I think we're there, man. All right, let's get into it. What's happening?

All right. Let's quit while we're in. What do we got? All right. I got lost in the trailer park for a second. Let's see. First one we're going to talk about is children of the corn runaway. Oh, boy.

Another. Another children of the corn. Yes. Part 19. Oh, wow. I didn't even know they had that many. Oh, I didn't either. Oh, okay.

It would surprise me, though. This is starring Marcy Miller, Molly Nikki Anderson, and Blaine May, directed by John Gulliger. Oh, yeah, John Gulliger. Oh, howlian names, of course. These guys, this is kind of like, this is like Kane Hodder, Robert England, and Tony Todd, you know? Yeah, he did Feast, right? Sure. Whatever you say, man.

I have no fucking idea. I just can't believe they're doing another one. This looked like a damn Hallmark movie or something. Yeah. I was going more of a straight-to-TV sci-fi channel movie. Oh, wow. Even worse. Even worse.

Nothing happened in the film. I mean, unless they're leaving all the good parts of it or something. Yeah, I think they're just throwing. throwing this one out there because what I've read is this is one of the properties Stephen King's gotten back so we'll probably get another

children of the corn movie but I'm going to say it better okay so you're thinking they just trying to suck it up before he gets it that's what I was thinking that they're rushing into production make this one really suck just so we screw it to him a little

admit. Right. It does not look good at all. Yeah. Let's see. Release date, March 13th. Okay.

We shall know be watching this, right, Brian? I will probably have to. So, just so I could. See if it's a bottom five, maybe?

Not cool. That list is filling up super fast. I know, right? Thanks to January. Right. Oh, yeah, that's right. The last key.

I forgot about that one. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, I haven't. Oh, man. That's going to move its way on up out of the bottom five. If it's not careful. I know.

Right. Okay. Our next trailer we're going to talk about is The Cured, starring Ellen Page, Peter Campion, and Tom von Lawler, directed by David Freed. what did you guys think Phil? I'm interested in this one

I think it's a cool view of like a zombie movie and I'll totally watch it I mean you know Ellen Page is not been doing well for us in horror lately but but this one looks interesting

at least Brian can I ask you a question Yes, sir Is this supposed to be based on that That video game That her likeness was in Basically there was a video game that That had Ellen Page in it

I think it's called The Last of Us or something like that Okay I have not played that game I've heard of it But I'm not too sure Okay I was just curious if maybe this was the You know the film version of that

And they just changed the name Because they can get the rights or something Yeah, I know there's supposed to be a movie version Coming out But I haven't heard a lot on that But the thing that caught me about Does it seem like the people with the zombie viruses Are able to control it?

Yeah Yeah, I thought that was a cool aspect Right Allegedly, I guess Right, but maybe But maybe they're not really cured Bum bum bum Yeah, maybe whatever

cure they had didn't take and it's the virus is coming back possibly. Okay. But it sounds like. This is one we'll watch, right? Yeah, coming out pretty soon. It's different if nothing else.

Yeah, release date of February 23rd. Okay. And on to the next one is a movie that I've been hearing a lot about, especially last year. because I think it released outside the United States last year. Okay. And that is I Kill Giant starring Zoe Saldana, Emojin Putes.

That's an unfortunate name. Yeah. They're both very odd. That should be as funny as it is, but it's totally funny. And Madison Wolfe, directed by Anders Walter. What did you guys think of? I killed Giants. I don't know what to think about it.

I thought it looked okay. I mean, it looks kind of like a dark fantasy. You know, like, those things are pretty big now. Like, what was the one we saw a couple of years ago, the Miss Peregrine's home for peculiar children? Yeah, I don't think it did very well. Young X-Men movie. Oh, like the New Mutants, you mean?

That's what Miss Paraghan's movie kind of felt like. Yeah, that's right. That's right. I don't know. I mean, I'll give this a try. I mean, it looks better than the children of the corn trailer. That's pretty sure. Oh, yeah, a lot. And I'm a big fan of Zoe Sal Donna. She's in a lot of blockbusters. Yeah. Right. Yeah, Emoggin Poots is nice to look at, too.

Yeah, despite the unfortunate name. It's kind of, after you're saying, A couple times, kind of fun to say. Sure. And poops. This is also coming out pretty soon in wide release, March 23rd. Ah, okay. I'll watch that.

And that is the last trailer. All right, cool. So, Phil, we got any feedback this week? Regarding Day of the Dead Bloodline. this ought to be good. Oh yeah. Justice Freeman says it's going to be mediocre like the others.

I like Romero and I look up to him for being a horror icon creating his own genre and creature. More like improving it. But doing pointless remakes that shit on the man is just a spit on the grave. Oh, God.

Let his daughter be the new keeper of zombie filmmaking. If she fails, let Zach Snyder do another reboot worth watching. Wow. Well said. Yeah. Very well said.

Because that was the biggest problem with Day of the Dead bloodline is that it was just shit, low-budget zombie movie that had the Day of the Dead title on it. That's what made it worse. Yeah. Well, unfortunately, I'm going to have to see it, guys. I missed it, so I didn't want to pay $699 to rent it. I still don't regret that. Yeah, no, I would.

You know, whenever I get a chance to see it, you know, I'll, uh, I'll see. It's got to be on Netflix soon, right? Yeah, something. It's, it's, it's, in retrospect, it is, I mean, it's, it's, it's so bad that it may be worth watching. Oh, I have to, I have to see it. From what you guys said, I got to see if it's going to make my, uh, my bottom five. And, uh, let's see. Oh, yeah, Patrick Lear.

Oh, next. If this is a fucking Star Wars email. We're skipping in Star Wars shit. All right. No, but he is, he's spoiling our review today. Oh, okay, cool. Regarding Wishapon, it's a little teenagey for me. Ah, okay.

And regarding Pacific Rim Uprising, are we getting this paired with robot jocks for a show, or maybe real steel, or real steel? LOL. I know Lance Langford wants to do this. Hey, I have been wanting to see Robot Jocks. Have you ever seen it? I've never seen it. Yeah. I've seen it when I was...

For the Transformers show? Yeah. I'm down because I'm not watching real... I'm not watching Real Steel. That's fun. I'm cool with that. All right. Yeah, Robot Jocks, it is then. There we go. produce your credit.

Let's see, regarding the open house. Ryan Stevens says, Boring and a Little Dumb. He's not lying. Yeah, that's about spot on. That should be the tagline of the movie. Boring and a little dumb. It's not awful, but it's definitely not good.

But you're not, you guys aren't thinking bottom five, really, are you? Uh, or right now it is. Probably, yeah. Okay. At the moment, at least. Yeah, but it's only, it's not even February. Yeah.

I've had some shit horror movies coming out. I mean, January's a bad month for horror, though. Oh, let's hope Winchester is good next week, right? Yeah, I know. Fingers crossed. Yeah. How can it not be, though, you know? Uh, I better be careful what I say.

Okay. Let's see, we got Lars from Denmark. It says, hey, horror returns crew. Thanks for the great show about the Day of the Dead. I had never heard about the band Hollywood Undead before. But now I own three albums, and I'm going to see them live February 22nd. Thanks for introducing me to some awesome music. Rock on.

Fuck, that's what you call going all in, huh? I tell you. They're a fun band. They're a bunch of douchebags, but they're fun. Are they? All right. Full disclosure here. We're going to pull the curtain back.

Our minister of music here is Philip. So it's all you, Phil. Tell us, how'd you find out about these guys, man? I think they may have popped up on Pandora a while back or something. They're really good to listen to if you're, like, working out. Very Avenged seven-fold-ish, but with some rap rock stuff going on. Okay. You guys have heard them if you heard the show.

Those are two pretty good songs. They're drunk a lot. These guys like to party. Yeah? Nothing wrong with that, man. Let's see. And Ryan Stevens, regarding absentia, directed by Mac Flanagan,

found a pretty good low-bedget horror flick on Amazon Prime this morning, and it has a Doug Jones appearance. Hmm Ah, okay. Amcentia. Anybody seen this one? I have. Yeah?

Yeah, it's okay. All right. Not bottom five. No. And I believe we get regular Doug Jones, and I didn't know a monster effect or anything. Yeah.

I didn't know he ever even played himself outside a costume. What's your... Yeah, there's a couple... Absentia. Okay. It's okay. It's not bad.

Yeah. Is it an older movie or like one of Mike Flanagan's first films? Or what was it before? I believe it. It's definitely one of his first. Okay. I don't know if it's the first. I think so.

Yeah. Interesting. All right. And Dona Nelly from the Horror Mafia podcast says, hey guys. Oh, John. All right, man. Yeah, shout out. It says, hey guys, going through the show and heard you going off on my top 10 and bottom five list.

I'm thinking, oh, shit, what did I say? No, no, no, no. We were trying to figure out where we could see these movies, remember? Yeah, he said, some kind of kung fu meatball or something like that. What was it? He said, decided to hook you up on the trailers for the three you questioned me on. Kodoku Meatball Machine. Satan's slaves

And Hets So I watched these trailers I watched the trailer for Kodoku Meatball Machine And it is the most Japanese thing I've ever seen in my life How does it compare with Kuso Or did you see that?

I never saw Kuso This is like I kind of want to see it now It's some kind of crazy Like Blood and Gore crazy Japanese stuff going on. Like you remember in the ABCs of death

when they have the one about I don't know, it's farting or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it was real fucking weird. That's very Japanese. This movie is definitely tops it as far as Japanese goes. That's just what we're going to call it now.

It's Japanese. Okay. Very Japanese. I'm with you. Satan's slaves. I don't know where that was. is from. Do you guys know? No.

I don't know, but it's, uh, that, that's the one that intrigues me the most. That's the first one I'm going to, I'm going to seek out for sure. Yeah, it's interesting. Pindgabdi satan. It's, I mean, it's definitely foreign. There are subtitles. I don't know where it's from, but it looks, it looks pretty good, like super creepy. Ah, and then, all right.

Hicks, uh, is an English movie, yeah? Uh, I didn't actually, I didn't watch any of these trailers. Oh, that's me. Oh, Don. Well, you know what? Don deserves that, man. He didn't like, I'm listening to his podcast right now where they're talking about mother. He didn't care for it at all.

So, fuck you, Don. My favorite movie of the year last year. No, all kidding aside, we're going to check these out for sure. I want to watch the Kodoku Meatball Machine. You know what? You got me talked into it, too. Do you think you could, you got to swing by here, or I got to head down to Galveston to check both of those out? back to back, man.

Oh, yeah, that'd be fun. Because this is not going to be a sober experience. No, especially not the Kodoku Meatball machine. We're going to have to be good and fucked up to watch that. Cool. I'm down, man. And that's it for listener feedback today. Thanks to everybody who reaches out to us.

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That's it for feedback. All right. So on to featured attractions. And I guess we drew the long straw instead of the short straw. Two weeks in a row, the Nez, back in town, man. What's going on, Kevin? Hey. What's going on, brothers?

I'm good, Nass. Same all, same all. I'm back. Well, what's going on out in the, in the Skaternez expanded universe. You guys ever going to do another E-Society show or what, man? Come on. Tomorrow, we're going to be doing two this week.

Tomorrow, for sure. I don't know when you're putting this out, but I'm sure it'll be out after you put this one out. We finally getting off our hiatus and, yeah. We started another one with a friend of mine, some kind of app. I don't know. When I get more information on it, I'll. I'll let you guys know. But we did like a quick tester the other day.

And I don't know what we're going to do with that one. All these new shows everyone wants me a part of. Right. As soon as we figure out what we're doing, it's me, the Zisu, and a friend of ours, Joel. He's one of our Comic-Con guys. He used to always go with us. But then he got married and he has a family now.

So he's tied down. But he's our brother. We love him. and he wants to jump in on the podcast game. But we'll talk about that later. All right, cool. You guys still at the same Facebook page, point your clicker to the same pod bean and all that,

or what? Where do we go? That new show? No, it's on some kind of app. What? It's this, I don't know, a buddy of my, sorry, the other guy on the show, Joel, he's a huge tech dude.

and he found some new app called Anchor. Okay. Yeah, we can record shows basically either over our phones. And the audio sounds pretty good. We did a test one. I was actually sitting in the airport when we did it, so you can hear all the airport background noise. Right.

It sounds cool. It was just a test run. We were just kind of just seeing what it is and it sounds good. I have no idea what kind of structure the show's going to be they want to kind of do something different from what we do on e-society and magnus and i don't know i think they're going more with the sports angle but i'm not sure i think i'll only come on there if we do the sports thing when we talk about wrestling so okay cool we'll see all right man well we'll check we'll check it out keep us updated all right i will um all right so

we'll get into our featured attractions this is kind of the show we know you folks have been wishing for. It's last year's Wishapot as well as the classic Wishmaster. Finally. Finally. We'll start out with the, as always,

the older movie, so Wishmaster, got some trivia. Director, Robert Kurtzman, also known for deadly impact and buried alive. Writer was Peter Atkins, also known for Hellraiser 2. That was a damn good movie. And

The Fist of the North Star. Any of you guys seen that? That's good. Yeah? The movie or the anime. That's what I'm wondering. I've seen the anime. That's good.

I've seen a little bit of the anime and I've seen the movie. Pretty good? No. I see them all and they suck. Let's hope Bushmasters better. All right. So this, this, movie features numerous horror movie icons, for those of you who didn't know, including Robert

England, Angus Grim, Tony Todd, Kane Hodder, Reggie Bannister, and of course, at the beginning, Ted Ramey. Yay, about Ted Ramey! Very short role. Yeah, wow. Stupid people. Yeah. Oh, there we go.

I mean, after some Napoleon Dynamite, Brian. It also had the asshole Captain Rhodes from last week's show from a, from. the original Day of the Dead. He was the crane operator in the beginning. Oh, was he? Oh, really? Yeah, that was him? I didn't catch it.

Yeah, that was him. I didn't catch that either, man. All right, well, in addition to that, characters named Finney, Beaumont, Durlith, and Merritt are all references to early 20th century sci-fi or horror writers. Jack Finney, Charles Beaumont, August Durlith, and Abraham Merritt. Going pretty deep for that trivia. many crew members including director Robert Kurtzman

who was credited as man killed by piano had small roles in the film sometimes appearing in different scenes as different characters so it sounded like this movie was probably a lot of fun to make Kevin the big question is was it a lot of fun to watch I had seen this when it came out in the theater a buddy of mine loved it he goes dude we need to go see this movie

and I was like, all right, cool, let's go. And it was what it was. It was late 90s. The special effects, the practical effects were right on George Nicotero and some other guys were a part of it. So I did enjoy that. The CGI, late 90s CGI, I mean, you know what that is, so it wasn't the greatest. It had CGI? Oh, I guess there was a little, yeah.

I know what you're talking about. There wasn't much. I mean, it seemed like it was more practical, so that that was cool. I mean, but the only reason that I had went and seen this, I had no idea that Freddie and Jason and the tall man and the ice cream man from Fantasem and Candyman. I had no idea any of them were in this until the movie was going. But I think what got me to go see it was the main girl, Tammy Lauren. She's a child of the 80s, and she popped up in a bunch of numerous.

uh, sitcom TV shows and a few 80s movies. And there was one movie that I really liked. It was her. And, um, that one chick from Saw, the one thing had her head, the thing on her head,

uh, Shawnee Smith. Yeah, yeah. There was a movie she did with, uh, her and, um,

I believe it was, uh, Andy Griffith. It was some kind of courtroom, uh, type of thing. It was, it was one of those TV shows or TV movies.

I remember that was pretty good. So when I saw her name attached to this, I was like, all right, cool, I'd like to see what she looked like in 1997. And she aged well. She's still cool. I mean, I wouldn't say no. Okay. Not to be a man or anything. That's fair.

So, yeah, I mean, it was late 90s horror fantasy, if you want to throw on the whole thing. And I remember not really caring for it when I was sitting in theater watching it and then watching it again. I felt the same way it was what it was. I mean, you got all these horror icons and throw them all in one movie, and they didn't do anything. You even got a mini-mee. He was in this. Oh, yeah.

Troyer, I didn't notice him. The Spawn or whatever when he was really little at the very beginning. Okay. Sure. um i the story was cool i mean it was predictable you knew where it was going and it was wishmaster i didn't bear any of the sequels and i know you did brian but i couldn't i mean even back in 97 when they they kept coming out there i know they were all straight to video i just i couldn't do it but um it is what it is it is it is the classic it did spawn uh the gen franchise

and all that. But I did like the actor, Andrew Devoff or whatever, however he say is the last thing. I've liked him in the other things, though. Mm-hmm. He was good as Jen. I did like him.

I liked him more when he had all the makeup on, not when he looked like himself. But, um, it was what it was, man. I mean, I know there's listeners out there that do love this movie and they do love this franchise. I'm not one of them,

but I can appreciate what it has done for the whole. genre and everything and yeah I mean it's a cool hour and a half just to want to vid you out and look up at the TV screen every now and then and play on your phone but yeah it is

what it is. Wow man I figured you would have loved this movie yeah me too and I'll tell you I'll tell you what we're gonna we're gonna disagree on this one guys because I fucking love this movie man I loved everything about it dude I, uh, if it wasn't for the, for the fact that somebody said something about email, I thought I was watching a movie from like 1985.

I mean, it was filmed and it looked exactly like an 80s horror movie to me. Yeah. And, uh, all of a sudden, it threw me out of it because they're in the office and she says something about, well, why don't you check your email? And I'm like, email? They had fucking hell in 1985. What? Oh, this, this movie's definitely 90s. Oh, man, I don't know.

You can tell by the music. Yeah, I don't know. that tennis scene you tell us about the tennis scene but that tennis music montage scene that I don't know what had to do with the movie but there's a lot of 90s in this movie

this is definitely a product of his time the the CGI part like where there's like a ray coming out of the little gym then he lives in or some shit like that That was very 90s, I thought. I don't know, man.

I liked it. It felt more late 80s to me. I liked the little story that they kind of started out with. Right. Once it got into modern times, because it was, what, way back in the who knows when, and then it came into America present day, and then that's when it lost me. Because I was like, oh, right. Oh, man. Yeah, I, uh, no, I loved it, man.

Like he, man. Yeah, come on. You guys are really good. It was not fun to watch. And I watched this on my lunch break at work. And I, you know, I didn't even have a beer or anything. I was, I was totally sober and I still enjoyed it, man. But this would have been one of those kind of movies that would have been good to see on, like, a Friday or Saturday night.

Like USA Up All Night or something like that. You know, it's kind of custom made for that. And I think the cheese was all very well intent. I think they knew exactly what they were doing with it. I love Tony, what happened with Tony Todd's character. He wished he could escape from that humdrum job

that he was in. And what was with the smoking, though? Was it just me or was like every, for her, 1997? Weren't most people not smoking as much by 97 or what? I think it was coming towards the end. Okay. Yeah, that was probably right at the end of the hey day.

Okay. It seemed like every fucking character, even the genie was smoking. You noticed that? He picked up the, he got the cigarette from the bomb. That dude's immortal. You even got the legendary George Buckflower in this. He was always that bum in like all John Carpenter's movies. Oh, yeah. He was a bum in this one.

Cross to that guy. I liked him in this movie. I mean, his scene was very short, but. I mean, it was like all the people that you knew that were famous at that time. Well, they're still famous now. I'm not saying anything bad about it. But it was, you bring him in. And when you first see him on the screen, if this was your first time watching this,

and you're like, yeah. And then next thing you know, they're dead. I think the only, I had all the famous guys. The only death I liked was Kane Hodders when he, what he turned into glass? He turned into glass and the guy walked right through him. Yeah. Wishmaster, the first one, that's the only one I've seen. Like I said, it is what it is, and it is a franchise,

and it is a classic character, the Jen, so... But it just wasn't for me. You haven't seen the rest of them? I totally would have expected you to burn through all of them. If I would have enjoyed this first one, I would have been interested to see the second one. I mean, because the way it ended, I mean, the way it ended, I mean, it was predictable, so you knew there was going to be more.

You predicted that last wish? That was dumb. Yeah. That's why it was like, okay. I mean, the one she sat there because she started to figure her out when she had her flashbacks and it was showing you everything. I didn't know the flashbacks were going to come, but I kind of knew she's going to, I didn't know how she was going to do it, but I knew she was going to trick the gin in order to do that.

Because if you watch all Saturday morning cartoons, there was always that they had to trick. Yeah. Like mental flick. You always had to trick him to say his name backwards or say his name forward. And so you knew she was going to trick him. And that's what happened. So I was like, all right. I just didn't know.

I just didn't have any interest to see the however many came after this one. And then the realization when he has been tricked is no. No. He's going back into his gym, huh? Yeah. You guys got to watch four, though, part four. It's so weird. Is it?

Yeah, it's like if you took like a late night skinna max flick and mashed it up with a Power Rangers episode. You got to be sold already. It's it's super sword fighting and all kinds of weird shit in it. And a lot of Tuddy's. What was that? Those swords are made? Sorts.

No, no, not that kind of sword. It's actual bettelsor. Yeah, you probably can't you know, roll up Skinnamax with with sword fighting. But you say, hey, you're saying there's a lot of,

there's a lot of topless scenes in it or what? Oh, yeah. There's even, you know, I don't, you know, of course I enjoy them, but there's, in this movie at times, it was, like, unneeded, like, what was that for? Okay.

I don't even know what the main story was. I think four is the, what was four titled? The prophecy fulfilled. Okay. It was a low-key. Like I said, it was weird. It was like a low-key love story with the gin. Oh, weird.

And the girl and some guy in a wheelchair. You're selling it, man. So who filled the prophecy? The girl did. The girl did. She was the new theater way. Yeah. And may I say Andrew Divoff is the Wishmaster, because after two, they got two other actors to play him.

Oh, no. And three and four, and it is totally not the same. They don't even have the voice. And I think that was one of the main characteristics to how he did the character. And I don't know, if you guys correct me, I wanted to say something about the smoking. I heard a story that the way he gets his voice like that is from the smoking. It's something about smoking and he drinks a lot of milkshakes and it makes his throat all like raspy. That sounds disgusting and makes sense.

I could not find this story anywhere online, but I swore I heard that's how he gets the voice the way it is. Hmm. Well, do you wish you could. get your voice like that, Brian? No. Fuck, I try to trick you. Tried to trick you to using a wish, man. No. All right.

Wouldn't happen with me. All right, I'm the only one who love this. You guys have anything else to say about it before we move on to the big one? I didn't mind it. I never actually saw this one when it came out. It was never really on my radar. You know, I loved all the monster movies and the Freddy's and the Jasons and all that.

But I never really checked out Wishmaster. I feel like, have we not reviewed this movie before? Because I swear to God, I watched it like six months ago. Yeah. And I don't know why I would have just randomly watched this movie. But it wasn't bad. I mean, it was, it was, it's got a little cheese, but I love, love, love the practical effects in this movie.

They were. Yeah, me too, man. Pretty on point. And it was, it was, it was a CGI deaf scene of Kane Hodder. Yeah, when he turned into the pain of glass, man. Oh. That was awesome. Yeah.

He says, well, if you're going in there, you're going to have to go through me. As you wish. The skeleton coming up out of the skin and then, like, becoming evil and stabbing some other dude. Like, there was, man, that was a, that was a really evil. party orgy they had going on there. And I thought that there were a lot of really cool scenes in this movie.

Yes, I agree. The story was cheesy, but it is what it is. But the scenes that made up the cheesiness, I thought were pretty cool. They played it up pretty well. I like to want the effect of the guy that got his jaw pulled off. Yeah.

That was awesome. And the little baby wishmaster was gross as a half. Oh, yeah. I thought he was like in the Matrix because they had those little cords or whatever stuck in the back of their head. Oh, yeah. I was like, what's going on? It was a weird movie.

It was a weird movie, that's for sure. I think it would read better, but it just, I don't know. To each his own, everybody. I know someone's probably yelling at me going, fuck this guy. This movie's awesome. Hey, if you think so, hey, man, right on. I just, it wasn't for me. And I watch a lot of dumb movies.

And yeah, we'll get to that in a minute. All right, cool. Well, you guys ready for ratings? I think we lost Philip. Uh-oh. It's not that bad, Philip. Come back. Actually, Philip sounded like he kind of liked it, huh?

Yeah. Yeah. More than me. All right. Well, let's see. We'll see if he calls in since we're having so many technical issues. Let's just run through our sky. scores and then we'll we'll pick philip up kevin um i won't go as low as last week i'll give it a five

i'll be right in the middle that's pretty brutal it's in the middle man it's there it is yeah whatever wow dude i give it an eight man oh i give it a fucking eight i really enjoyed it, dude. No, like Philip was saying, the special effects is what got me, and that party scene at the end where everything just went crazy, you know, sometimes I just like a good, you know, stupid movie that you can predict and you know what's going to happen. I just, I got a lot out of it. I'm looking forward to seeing it again, and now I've got a, I got to go and check out the other Wishmasters, especially for, Brian, from what you're telling me. Yeah, if you want to skip one, skip three. Was it that bad? Yeah, it's totally forgettable.

What was this one man on one to ten? I'm gonna go a seven. I always love the character of the Wishmat, the gin, especially when Andrew Divor plays them. I like the practical effects. The CGI was kind of shitty in this one, but I mean, for the time, I'm sure it was, you know, blowing people away.

The actress, what was the actress's name? tell us, man. Tammy Lauren? Yeah, her face bothers me. Especially when she screams. Her ears bother me. They're distracting. I don't know.

There's this. There's a picture of her online. There's, I guess, a scene when she's screaming and she's on the floor. Robert England's like picking her up. Right. Yeah. It is a very disturbing look on her face. That scene always reminded me of like total recall.

when they were on to fall out into Mars because it looked like her eyes were about to pop. Yeah. And, uh, one more, one more thing I caught in this. Did you guys see the Pizzou, uh, statue from, uh,

the exorcist? Uh, I, I caught it. No, I didn't. Where was that at the beginning? Like when they were,

no, it's, uh, it's one of Robert England's statues he has in his house. Okay. So I thought that was pretty cool. They threw that in there. But overall, I've always enjoyed it.

The second one's pretty good. Skip the third one. And the fourth one is just one of those. It's so bad. It's good movies. But a seven out of ten is what I give this one. That's not too bad. All right, Phil.

What about you, man? I'm going to give it a seven. Okay. It's a solid movie, man. It's worth a watch for, you know, a nice... 1997 view or movie. Great practical effects. All right.

Fair enough. You guys ready to move on? Yep. Okay, this is the one we've been, I've been wanting to see this movie since it first came out. Never got a chance to. A couple of different opinions about it, but this is from last year Wishapon,

director John R. Leonetti, also known for the original Annabelle movie. And the writer was Barbara, Marshall, also known for viral, and the TV show Terra Nova with the dinosaurs. You guys ever seen that one? No. No. It wasn't on very long.

Yeah. None of this surprises me at all. All right. Well, in case you couldn't tell, this film was loosely based on the short story of the Monkeys' Paw. It is the third time that Joey King has had a role in a horror movie, the others being The Conjuring and Quarantine. I'd forgot about her being in quarantine.

But, uh, Joey King. The man girl? Yeah. Oh, God, I don't know anything was the name. I definitely remember her from The Conjuring, but, uh... Was she little? Yeah. I need to watch that again.

Yeah, she started out in Ramona and Beezus. Yep. You remember that movie from way back? No. No. Okay. All right, Kevin. What's you got, man?

She looks. super youngness. Yeah, she is. I'm gonna be the voice of reason. I'm gonna go last. You guys go ahead. Okay, cool. Cool. Who wants to go first? I'll go first. I hated this fucking movie. This movie was trying to be the craft and final destination all in one movie.

I just, I don't know. I didn't buy anything. I didn't buy Ryan Philippi as her dad. Okay. I don't know. I know he's in real life. He's old enough, but he doesn't he doesn't play that dad role and I didn't I don't know I I hate movies with with I don't know the bullying little

fucking teenage girls were fucking annoying right with the I don't know I'm trying not to get into spoilers because I thought I thought watching the movie I thought watching the blue ray of the with the supposed of unrated

edition or something. It's the same fucking movie. The deaths were stupid. Joey King's okay. I'm hoping she's good in Slender Man, but besides maybe her and I liked her friends in the movie,

but besides that, I thought everybody was horrible in this fucking movie. And it was boring as shit. If anybody anybody want to watch the craft, I believe it's on Netflix, check, that out.

All right. Kraft is a classic, man. Yeah. Philip, can we get you in here, or you're still lost your audio there? Oh, shit. Son of a bitch. Quick, quick. Give us a quick for you, man.

All right, so this movie tried to be too many different things. It had cliches from a thousand different genres and different movies. Right? It was, It was, it was, it tried to be too much. It was just, I feel like it was a money grab. Like, uh, the acting wasn't terrible. Um, but like everything else about it was, uh, not great.

The story didn't catch me. I was like, man, this is, this is way too high school girl teenage drama for me, man. And I really like a young girl, this thing girl. Okay, fair enough. You guys are both wrong. This was a fucking really fun movie, and I wasn't expecting to be. No, I really enjoyed this movie. Yes, it was predictable.

Yeah, we saw everything that was coming a mile away, but that was kind of the charm of it, man. It was just a good self-contained story. And Joey King, I think she's a good little actress. I'll tell you what I appreciated about this movie. and you guys can fucking laugh at me and Kevin's over there giggling and you guys are just going to fuck with me all night but I'm going to put it to you this way

I have raised a number of daughters and I've got two granddaughters that I'm raising and the dialogue was fucking accurate. That's the way these kids talk to each other at school at that age man and that's what I liked about this I thought it was actually believable teenagers they didn't capture it as well as it did

but I thought it did a pretty good job of not just, you know, giving your cookie cutter performances. I thought that they acted pretty realistic with how they would. I mean, granted, it took her fucking forever to figure out what was really going on with this box, but,

I mean, would you have figured that out? You know, and I could kind of believe with her kind of going power mad there toward the end where she didn't want to let go of the power. Oh, shit. We're not in the spoilers yet. Fuck.

No, no, it was a lot of fun. I enjoyed this movie quite a bit. That's it. I'm with you, Lance. I mean, I enjoyed it from beginning to end. I mean, I remember seeing the trailer when it came out, and I was like, yeah, okay, whatever. This was actually a movie. I was going down to see my son, and he was at work, so I had a few hours to kill.

Nothing was starting. But this, I said, ah, fuck it, I'll give it a shot. So I just got my popcorn and sat there and watched it. it started out a little sad and edgy, but then you just kind of knew where, like you said, you knew where it was going. You knew what was around every little corner. Nothing was new.

We had seen this movie already. The acting wasn't the best, but it was a fun movie. I mean, I think I was the only one in the theater that laughed at every single thing. And you just, you knew, you knew somebody was going to die,

And you just wanted to see it. That's what I wanted to see. The CGI wasn't the best man, but they did what they could do. And with all these little actresses and the girls and the guys, I mean, I thought they did a really good job. But it was just so predictable. And that was all you could do was laugh at the whole movie. Like, did they really sit down there and come up with this story and put this out and go,

all right, this is awesome. put it out. I couldn't believe what was on the screen because I was like, what? And you saw every, you even saw the ending that was coming. And I was like, I was like, okay.

And I just, you just had to wait, wait to see it. We'll get in the more and we get to spoilers. But I was just like, what the fuck is going on in this movie? And it was just, it put a big smile on my face.

It was a little mushy But I was kind of just kind of going through With some little issues And this movie put a big smile on my face It took me away from my regular Just how what I was dealing with at that time in my life And it put a smile on my face Because I just couldn't believe that

These filmmakers made this movie thinking This is awesome, let's put it out I'm not a filmmaker I'm not a filmmaker I was like, oh my God. Ryan, Philly, I mean, is he still married to a reason whether they divorced or I don't know, man. I think that's, I don't think that.

Yeah, I don't think that. I don't know. That was the shocker. Him popping up in this as well as Jerry O'Connell, him popping in this. Yeah, what the fuck was? he's doing in this movie? I don't know. He probably needed money to and same thing with

Sherilyn Finn, the neighbor across street. I knew I recognized her. She aged well, yeah, she might have had some little surgery, but that's all right. If that's what you do, that's your prerogative. Sure. But I, she's still, she aged well. She still

looked beautiful and but I was just like, come on me, try a little with your with your crowd. I know it was geared more towards the younger audience to, ah, they're just a young crowd, a movie house,

popcorn crowd that's not going to care. They just want to see the deaths and everything. Yeah, it was PG-13 and the unrated version, or quote-unquote unrated. I think there was only one scene in it that they added a little more blood. And we'll get to that.

I'll tell you what, with our audio quality, we better not be diss in any production values right now. Fucking Phil. I mean, it was it was a fun movie. Brian's dish flew off the top of his house earlier, so we didn't have internet for him.

And now fucking Phillips sounded like he's at the bottom of the ocean talking to us. What's going on here, man? It was a fun movie. This was a second watch for me. The first time I saw I was in the theater. And this is the second time. I just went and bought it because I loved it that much.

Like I said, the reason I love it because it was so corny. Absolutely, man. It was so bad. That's why I loved it. Well, see, that's what I liked about Wishmaster. That's why I don't understand why you didn't like Wishmaster, especially with all the fucking cameos of royalty in it. And Nicotero and everybody doing all the practical special effects at the party scene at the end.

I can't believe you got it didn't get into that, man. but you know what, to each their own. But yeah, this is a fun escape. I really enjoyed this movie. I think one of the main reasons I really didn't care for Wishmaster. It was, I was never really a big fan of a lot. There was some good horror movies in the 90s. I'm not saying there wasn't, but it was just one of those ones that was like,

oh, okay. I think that was just, it was my own personal opinion that I thought 90s horror was wasn't the greatest. I'm sure someone's yelling at me. saying that, but I'm a kid of the 80s. All the 80s. Well, not every 80s movie was awesome, but I'm just speaking my age because I'm an old fart.

But this movie was fun. And like I said, it was geared towards the young crowd because it was PG-13, and that's how they made their money back, because I don't know if it did good, but my theater was full. And it was just, it was what it was, man. It was a

fun little movie, and it just made me laugh. So I think that's why I loved it so much. And watching it, this second time. I mean, I still enjoyed it. It just brought me back to me sitting in the theater going, what the fuck is this? And laughing the whole time. That's why I loved it so much.

All right, cool. You guys ready for scores? You think we're going to be able to hear Phil? We can try. I can try. There you go. You want to go first, Phil? In case we lose you. Yeah, I'm going to give it a

I'm going to give it a six. It wasn't bad. It just wasn't Yeah, like it wasn't great. I mean, it was, it's not going to end up in my bottom five, but I don't know that it was worth watching. Six isn't too bad, man. It's definitely more good than bad. Yeah.

More of like a five and a half. Fuck, I talk. I've tried to talk him up and I talk him down, Kevin. All right, Brian. I'm going to give it. I'm going to give it. I'm going to get it a four out of ten. Okay.

It being set in high school with teenage girls didn't bother. It bothered me in this, but that's not my problem because I spoke on a movie earlier, Tragedy Girls. Right. That's set in a high school, and they have all kinds of the little teenage lingo, like, why are you being jelly and all kinds of shit? And it worked for me in that movie. It felt a little forced in this one, though, right?

You guys are pretty cruel. You are brutal, man. And I think it had the opportunity to push that PG-13 level with the death scenes, and it didn't. They were not creative at all. They were, as Kevin said, you've seen everything coming. Sure. You've seen that ending coming. And, yeah, I have to give it a four.

Wow. Okay. Well, I'm going seven and a half. I had a lot of, I had a lot of fun. Man. It's, uh, hey, it's no. Wishmaster. It's not an eight, okay? But that's probably only because it didn't have the, you know, the cameos in it. But I thought the story was just as much fun as Wishmaster for me. And I just,

I guess I was looking for something where I didn't really, where I could kind of turn my brain off and just enjoy the movie for what it was. And, uh, because it's been a pretty, I mean, 2017 was a pretty, uh, I don't know, I guess intense year in film, you know? and a lot of polarization on opinions on different movies. It's been a weird year. I was ready to kind of sit back and watch something from 2017 that was just a fun popcorn movie. So for me, it hit the spot just the right time.

Yeah, I'll go up a little bit. I'll give it an eight and a half. Oh, wow. Whoa. You literally just told us why it was so bad it was good, and it's an eight and a half. I mean, there was something. When we get to spoilers, we'll deal with it. But it was just...

Not so much effects. It was just some of the acting that was bugging the shit out of me. But we'll get to that in a minute. All right. Spoiler alert? Spoiler alert. Who's first? This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Yeah, you go. I want to hear. Those fucking, the fucking mean girls, the bitches,

oh, fuck, they could not act. And the one black dude that was hanging out with them where he kept fucking taking pictures of every bad thing when there was a fight or when the girls, the first wish that she did when she wished that, oh, I wish Buffy or whatever her name. was to rot. And I liked that, man.

I love that. It was like, soon as she started screaming in the bathroom when she woke up because she was getting that rotten skin, that guy came, he was, first of all, he was laying in the closet,

and then he comes running in and has his phone in his hand. Because your friends, your friend's screaming, and that's the first thing you do is grab your phone and come running it, then take pictures. And then he started laughing.

Yeah. I was like, the first thing they do. I was like, what the fuck? I mean, I was like, ah. And the other me, the Chinese boy, he, he kind of bugged me. I mean, I've seen him in other things, but he just, he was trying too hard to make this girl like him.

And then when he was trying to be all serious, like, you need to get rid of this? Or did you make wishes when he was trying to be tough? And I was like, I did not buy it. I was just like, what the fuck, kid? I just laughed and the CGI, well, especially the ending. It was so bad. Man, you're really selling your eight and a half, Kevin.

You do it was coming. But when they show it, like, were they running out of money? I was like, what the fuck was that? Oh, man. I've seen a little crappy sci-fi channeled C-GI And it was a million times better than what this is. But, I mean, the acting is what kind of pissed me off and the shitty CGI.

And Ryan Philippe, man, I don't know what you were doing, bro. But hey, man, more power to. Obviously, nothing else. A buck's a buck, man. So you do what you've got to do at all, man. But, you know. $20 is $20. Kevin, Kevin, you do know,

scale starts at 1 and works up. It doesn't start at 8 and work up, right? I mean, I'm still going to stick with my score because he just put a big smile on my face, but those were just the little thing that bug me. If none of that was in it that bugged me, like it was mainly the characters in it, it would have probably been. I would have probably went up to a 9, but I don't even at half. Have you guys ever noticed in these wish movies? There's always somebody who who explained to him, like, talks to talk, what's going on? And they always

die every single time, am I right? Yep. Yeah. What was with the uncle? They made him, like, he, you know, well, it's going to be an integral part of the story because every time he got brought up, Ryan Philip, he was basically like, fuck that guy.

Right. But he seemed like a child molester, and she was like, oh, I don't know. That's what he seemed like to me. He was like the creepy dude on the end of the street. I thought Ryan Philippi was going to bang a bar from Stranger Things for a second there

when he was playing his saxophone. I know, right? Because what was her wish for her dad for him to not be a bum or whatever? Not be boring or something. Not embarrassed. He's just playing his he's playing his saxophone

at home. That's all he did. Well, he had a gig. Oh, when he was on his way with that scene where they tried to make you believe he was going to get crushed by the car when you knew that wasn't going to happen. I will say one good thing. I did like her friends, though, especially her one friend that was playing the kind of Pokemon Go type of game.

Oh, yeah. She was my favorite in the whole movie. I've seen her in a couple other things, too. She's a pretty good little actress. See, I like these girls, man. I really, I mean, to me, it felt like they were real kids. kids, you know? I don't know. You know, agree to disagree, I guess. I just, like I said, it hit the spot for me. This was the kind of movie I needed at the time, at the exact time we saw it,

you know? Yeah, I did like the look at the box and the music and all like that. That was pretty cool. But I thought it was very convenient that she spoke Chinese when she got the box. Yeah. That way, that was one thing really quick. I had asked, uh, uh, uh, DeZisu's daughter, after I saw this movie when we talked about it on our show. Do any of your kids, or did you guys remember them having a Chinese language in your high schools? Because all we had was either Latin, French, or Spanish. Yeah.

Mine too. Ours was Spanish or French, I think, was the only two choices. I mean, I would have took Chinese or Mandarin or whatever the correct what they call it. But it was too convenient. And yeah, and I agree with, what was the uncle's part in this? They made him out, yeah, don't talk to, like, Ryan Philip, don't talk to him. He's an asshole. And then they do nothing with him.

And then he dies. I think they just put him in the movie just to, okay, we need them to be rich and how are we going to do this? Yeah. Okay, he got killed by the faucet. How terrible was that death scene, by the way? What the fuck kind of dumbass final destination shit was that? I mean, they should have left it as, they should have left it as, they should have left it. as he slipped, hit his head, and then he drowned.

Right. But it made it seem like he hit his head on the faucet. That was kind of a brutal scene, though. Then the water was coming down on his face, and it was just too much all it was. Right. How strong are those garbage disposals? Oh, wow. Strong enough to break the neck.

It's almost scalp you. I can't put a goddamn bagels down mine. shit. I mean, you saw that coming because when Cheryl and Finn, the actor, she was the girl's neighbor across the street, she was cutting up something, and her hair,

I have long hair, and I could not stand when my hair is touching my neck hanging in front of me. And then I, right when they show her that, and they kept showing the garbage disposable, like earlier in the film, and then here, I was like, fuck. I mean, you knew her

hair was going to go in there. and it went right in there and I was like ah but it was fun like I said you saw everything that was coming and I was like what the fuck and then I was just like

had they shown it like like Ripper Skelpoff or some crazy shit like that it would be way better and then I'm like okay now we got a movie oh man fair enough but hey

I like the ending I thought the ending was was pretty dark It looked like it was going to be all happy ending there. They were in an alternate universe where everything went fine. Kind of like the happy ending at the end of Wishmaster, except for the very, very final, like, two-second scene where you knew there was going to be a sequel.

But, no, I kind of like the twist there at the end. It's like you make that wish. You're fucked. Your soul's gone. You're done, you know? I like the way they finish strong on that. I saw it coming. I knew she was going to show, okay, she didn't have to do so.

when they said if you burn it or try to get rid of it, something bad was going to happen to you. I thought, okay, I mean, I saw that coming. I said, she's going to do something, and she's going to try to get rid of it at the end of the movie. Then she's going to die, and that's what happened. So, I mean, you knew that was coming, but you just wanted to see how she was going to die.

And when you see her die, did she have to bounce off the car like that? It looked so. It was so cheesy. I mean, you got it. I mean, we got a week, go ahead. I can't do CGI. I've said that the numerous times, but come on. If I'm the director, producer or whatever, I'll guess, okay, Brian, let me see what you did here.

And then you showed me that out to do it again. Yeah. Because we've seen in, what was the movie, Annabelle Creation. Right. That looked like they ran that little girl over. Like, here, running from this car. we're going to film me. That looked uncomfortably real.

Yeah. And then this one, it was just comical, and she flew not just back, but up in the air. And it bounced. And then she was just kind of laying there with a little trickle of blood and just kind of just staring at the camera. And that was it. It was horrible. Because as hard as she got hit, her face with a blow apart and slamming the back of her head on that windshield. No.

I mean, you just saw it coming. I mean, and it was just like, I mean, and other things, you know, okay, when you make a wish, your wish is going to come true, but then there was always that death curse, something, someone you love or whatever I care for, is going to die. Yeah, there's always a price to pay.

But there was never, I mean, what was her friend, the Chinese guy, when they went to go see his cousin. All she did was help him. And where was that in the rule that she had to die? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. She didn't know this girl.

Every time somebody walks them through what's happening with the cursed item or the genie or whatever, that person dies every single fucking time. And there's no explanation for it. There was no reason for that character to die like that, you know? No. It was breaking the rules that it's set. Do what? Yeah, that's true. I said it was breaking the rules.

that it's set because your loved ones are supposed to die. Like, her fucking dog she had forever died. And this chick that told her about the box and she brought her wontons was, I don't know, all of a sudden, like, a close personal friend or family member. Right.

That's what I was going to say. She just met her. She doesn't care for her, but I don't know. I didn't write the story and I didn't make the movie. All right. Pretty interesting. All right. You guys ready to wrap it up. Yeah.

I know, Brian, I know you didn't like it because I remember when you first saw it, and I remember you talking about it on the show, like, yeah, I went saw that movie Ness. It was good. I loved it. You know, I think I was just, I was in the theater just about to watch it and I had posted and you just commented hella good. And I was like, oh, okay. And I was extremely disappointed. Oh man You got set up I was fully expecting not to like it

I was almost I was almost hoping for a terrible Bottom 5 type movie But no I was I was pleasantly surprised with it I really enjoyed it Same thing I was expecting it to be like The bottom 5 list And it didn't make my best of

But it was I would give it a runner up I mean it was It was funny And I enjoyed it and it was cheesy and stupid, but that was the reason I liked it, so, I mean, I'm going to stick with my score.

I probably will watch this again. It's in my library, and I enjoyed it. I think I enjoyed it a little bit more, even the second time watching it. Philip, you're going to check it out again? No, 10-15 years of the movie, I was thinking, you know, I don't know why they hated on this one so much.

It's not that bad. And then as it wore on, I was like, oh, okay. Now I get it. Did you guys see the little end scene? Oh, there was an end scene? Yeah, yeah. I remember there was kind of like a little post-credit scene. No, I got up and left.

She remember right before she got killed, she gave the little box to her friend. Oh, you know what? I did see this. He was supposed to bury it. Yeah. but then he after the minute or so the credits and they show him standing there

and he reads it, figured out it says seven wishes and he's got this little look on his face and all that. If there is a part two, yes, I'll watch it, but I hope,

I wish that they just leave it alone. Leave it as one. I think your wish is granted because I'm checking it out off a $12 million dollar budget they've made 20 million. It's got a rotten tomato score of 16%. Whoa.

Wow, we were all really nice. Brian said, like, you were very cordial, man, compared to rotten tomatoes. All right, well, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can reach us at the horror returns at gmail. Follow us on Facebook.

Kevin, where can they reach you, man? You can find a McNez or E Society or me, Kevin Nez on Facebook. Look up our shows on the Podbean or iTunes, Skitter-N-N-E-N-S podcast network, SK, the number 8, ER, N-E-Z podcast network. All my shows are on there and everything else. As soon as I get some more information on this other show we're doing, I'll come on here and let you guys know or post it on the Horry Return Facebook group

and yeah that's it for me and I wish for you guys to listen to all my shows as you wish Be careful what you wish for All right well next week I'm wishing that we finally get a scary

fucking horror movie in 2018 and it's going to be Winchester the house that ghost built and then we're going to go back and check out 13 ghosts now Brian, are we checking out the original black and white one that was in, we had to put those weird glasses on to see the ghost or the, or the remake, or what are we talking about, man?

We're going to check out the remake. I think the remake was a lot of fun. Oh, it was tough. Yeah. Is it hell of good? Kevin was not hella good, but it was good. I'll probably check out the original one. All right.

Is Shannon and Elizabeth in that one? Yeah. Okay. All right. Now I remember. and Matthew Leder. Yeah, the kid from Scream, right, was in it. Yeah.

Yeah, Shaggy. Shaggy. Yeah, he's going to be at Frightmare. Yeah, he is. I want to talk to him about an old TV show he was on. Awesome. All right. I'll check out Winchester.

And, yeah, well, listen to the horror returns, everybody. And I'll give you my rating right now for 13 ghosts. I'll give it an 8 because I loved it. All right. Well, not that much, but an 8. You didn't love it as much as wish, you, Pat. No, I wish one got a half a point more. All right.

All right, Brian. Until the horror returns again. Good night.