The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #9: John Carpenter Retrospective (Reupload)

Episode Date: April 16, 2021

This week, our brother Pedro Nunez from the Kayfabulous Lucha Bros. joins us again to discuss the films of John Carpenter. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Greetings, listeners, you have found the horror returns. For all of you who delight in dread, fantasize about fear and glorify gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves that the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie, and then we go back and find a classic work with similar themes. We're looking at both similarities and differences. Our goal here is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation, two-generation, but we also want to point out how the presentation can change based on the social

and political climate of the times. Although we always do our best to avoid spoiling the new release, sometimes it may be necessary to talk about certain details in the course of our conversation. We generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, so there will often be spoilers when we're discussing anything that's been out for at least a year. The other thing we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be two. Now, tonight we're doing something a little bit different.

This is the first in a series of director retrospectives, and we thought a good place to start would be the master himself, John Carpenter. So that's what we're going to focus on tonight. I'm Lance, and with me tonight is my regular co-host, Brian, and we have a very special guest here again who is with us a couple weeks back uh pedro nunez aka brandon draven from the k-fabulous lucha brothers podcast so pedro tell us about the podcast and where our listeners can find it yeah so the podcast is on a geekdom 101.com um again that that's a website that not only does it have the wrestling portion of it it also has

film reviews it has comic reviews video games um uh youtube reviews, everything that has to do with being a quote-unquote geek is on there. You know, some of that pop culture, internet, fandom, niche stuff. And we do a show called, Okay, Fabulous Lucha Brothers, and that's, you know, it's a fun show. So people should go check it out. Awesome. Cool. All right.

Well, again, we're really honored that you decided to join us again this week, man. Like, we always like having you on the show. So, as always, let's start out with the discussion of some of the high. highlights of what we've checked out this week. Brian, what'd you check out, man? Still, you know, catching up on Penny Dreadful. Another show that I'm still liking is Outcast. I don't know if you've got on that show yet, Lance. I haven't. Pedro, have you seen that one? No, but I'm very interested. Could you give me a little bit of the synopsis? Because I know a lot of people that are into the genre. They've kind of hopped on that. So what is it about?

it takes place in this town you get the impression that a lot of demonic possessions a lot of kind of you know crazy stuff like that happens in this town the the main the main star of the show is uh i always forget his name he was the kid from uh almost famous almost famous yeah you were telling me about that last oh okay yeah and uh i guess he went through a similar thing with his mom uh being possessed and you know the shows uh where he's uh grown up and he's he's kind of got an ability helping out with with exorcisms there's something about him and I don't want to give too much way oh okay so that's pretty good that's enough for me to give it a try though yeah it's kind of like him and and

a priest working together to battle you know these these evil forces who's the showrunners oh I know I know it's a Robert Kirkman it's based off of one of his okay good

Brian, is the show still holding up? Yeah, I like it. I'm probably going to, when the season's over, I'll probably give a full review on it. But as far as for me, it's holding up. I'm, you know, I even got my wife watching it. And, you know, she doesn't like any of that kind of demonic possession type shows or movies. But, you know, she's watching it. It's got her interest.

Oh, yeah, my wife won't touch that shit. She's a born and raised Catholic. and she's, uh, there ain't no way she's going to watch anything about demon possession. Yeah, my wife, I mean, she's, you know, she's not really religious. It's just, you know, that's not her thing. But she had watched the pilot episode and, and was pretty much on board after that. Got hooked, huh? Yeah.

Well, I heard a lot of people say preachers kind of going downhill or getting slow, so I'm, I'm glad to hear that this one's still good. Yeah, I'm a little behind on preacher, but where I'm at in preacher, I'm kind of about ready to tap out. Right. Yeah, it's not holding my interest. Anything else that stuck out this week? No, that's about it. Well, I actually got inspired from something you guys talked about a couple of weeks ago.

Batman v. Superman? Oh. Made it halfway through. Okay. Was this the ultimate edition? I don't know what edition it was, but it fucking sucked. It fucking sucked. Sorry, where you're trying to tell me that even if you put whipped cream on shit, it's still shit?

I'm telling you, dude. There was just so much crap going on, and I didn't think I was going to like Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. I was right. I was right. A couple of weeks ago, when we were talking about Pennywise, readjusting that character with this new guy, Bill Skangard, I believe his name is something like that. sure that's the kind of thing that went through my mind we could have another Lex Luthor you know Jesse I Jesse Eisenberg situation here where these guys try to recreate this iconic characters

and they end up just making full of themselves you know so we'll see how that I still believe that's that's not the real Lex Luthor because he's always in in I don't I know I know you didn't get all the way through the movie but he's always referring to his father okay so you guys you guys are talking shit I don't know because I didn't have the balls to stick with the whole movie so So, I mean, I think we can, you know, get a little bit of spoilers out. So he's always referring to his father. So I believe... Really?

I mean, I hope in the future we get to Lex Luthor that we've been wanting. Well, you don't think it's a Smallville situation, do you, where it's like John Glover that played the father of Lex Luthor, but he was kind of the one who sent him down that evil path? I don't know. I mean, I enjoyed the movie a little bit more. than most people, but it was a mess. I don't know.

I just have this feeling that this is not the Lex Luthor that we're going to get, really. Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it. So what you're trying to say is they should just open up their wallet and go ahead and pay Brian Cranston that money. Wow. Absolutely. But that was a cool little fan-made poster that was around online about a few months ago. Right. Ryan Cranston as Lex Luthor, you know, that was pretty cool.

But the thing about that, the third act is what really, like, that third act has no business in the movie because it's not even part of the original movie, you know. Man, I'm glad I didn't make it to that. But the whole Martha scene, it still has me boggled how that gets to all the producers and the script supervisors and all that. How does that get through all the... Oh, my gosh. It's just so, like...

Man. Yeah. I feel like we've talked about it too long, guys. I also checked out Warcraft. Oh, my gosh. I didn't hate it. Surprisingly, I didn't hate it. And I expected to.

Duncan Jones was one of my absolute favorite young directors with the first couple of films. I'm sure you guys have seen Moon, right? Of course. I love him. That was a stroke of brilliance. And the Jake Gyllenhaal movie, what was it called? Time Source.

Source code? Source code. Excellent movie. probably my favorite of that year so I was really pissed off when I heard this guy was taken over something as as a pedestrian

as Warcraft and I thought ah shit this is going to suck he's never going to be a good director again he's totally sold out I actually kind of enjoyed it maybe because I went in thinking I was going to hate it so much but I thought

obviously the special effects were great they had a lot of budget to work with First of all, the main actor, are you guys familiar with him? Travis Fimel. I'm sure if I saw him in something, I'll recognize him, but the name doesn't stand out.

Is that the one from Vikings? That's the one from Vikings. TV show on the history channel that's been out for three seasons now called Vikings. If you guys haven't seen that, you owe it to yourself to at least give it a shot. It's usually about, I think about 10 episodes a season,

so it's not like overkill. But yeah, he plays the main Viking on that one. I just think he's good in everything I've seen him in, which has only been two or three roles. I think he's a pretty good actor. I enjoyed the movie. I didn't love it, but I enjoyed it. Okay, I saw a movie called Road Games, and it wasn't the 82 exploitation one with Jamie Lee Curtis. Okay. It was a new one from France about this guy that's on the road picks up this hitchhiker, and, you know, I'm not going to spoil it here, because it's, it's It's fairly new. It's on Netflix.

I was about to say, isn't this, like, relatively newly on Netflix? Yeah, yeah. So I'm going to avoid spoilers here. I think I just put that in my queue about a week ago. Well, you should take it off. That's all I got to say about that. Oh, shit. All right. Grab my phone. Hold on. It's a very boring movie. I was expecting more.

You see the name Road Games. You see this guy holding a shotgun in the cover, and it's all a big letdown. It reminds me when I was a kid and you go to the VHS store and you would pick up that badass movie because of the cover and then you take it home and it's a big letdown, you know, that's what it reminded me of. And so that's pretty much how I'll say on that.

Okay. That's pretty much how I've seen as far as genre-related. I revisited over the top just because I had seen... Oh, yes, Stallone. Yeah. I had seen the Canon Films documentary Electric Bugelow. Oh, that's a good documentary.

That's a great documentary, actually. Very, very good, man. That was one of the many, many clips they showed. So I was like, you know what, I want to revisit this, and I want to see how they handle trying to put over arm wrestling as some sort of, like, legitimate sport, you know, and build drama around it. Right.

And, you know, it was somewhat comical, you know, because you're seeing the whole premise is built on arm wrestling, and it's like, it's arm wrestling, you know. There's nothing really dramatic about it. Kind of like the movie, the Fairly Brothers movie Kingpin about the Bowlers. Yeah, but at least that was very much established as a comedy, so that was part of it. Over the top was supposed to be the serious dramatic movie. And it has a kid, you know, and I have a rule about kids.

Whenever there's a kid in a movie, it's already a negative points with me because... Gotcha. The way Hollywood writes kids is they always write them to be very snobby and know it all, and it was no different. It was no different here. So... That kid was an asshole. That kid was an asshole. Yeah, what was that movie that had Wolverine?

it that was about the rockem sockham robots and the really shitty snoddy little kid his son uh real steel real steel oh jesus christ you're telling me the part where they're shadow boxing with the robot didn't capture your imagination oh my god dude so bad so bad so um that's pretty much it i over the time it wasn't as bad because it has it has terry funk in it which uh brian knows all about terry funk Oh, yeah. And, you know, he ends up taking a bump over a glass window. That's always exciting. Right.

But, so that's pretty much it. That's what I saw over the last couple of weeks. All right. All right. Cool. So, as with every show, now it's time to take a little trip down to the trailer park. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? Okay.

The first one we're going to talk about is Incarnate, starring Aaron Eckhart. Incarnate. I saw that one in the series. theater and then what rewatched it uh again yeah this this seems like the typical possession run-of-the-mill movie i wasn't i wasn't really digging this trailer right it's another it's another blumhouse production what what isn't these days right also um uh w-wee productions is also uh oh that's when i walk out of the theater right there yeah they're also partnering in this so um i don't know what it what are your guys's take on it i mean i'm

I'm just surprised somebody found there in Eckhart. That guy's been M.I. for the longest time. And then he comes out and does this. After Harvey Dan, he was done, huh? Yeah, he hasn't. I mean, he did the Frankenstein movie. And then after that, he's done a couple movies here and there. But it seems like, you know, it was too early for him to go to the Val Kilmer route.

You know, he just, he should have had a couple more big theatricals under his belt. And now he's kind of like in the B-movie role, you know, the B-movie hero, you know. So I don't know. Maybe he should fire his agent. I don't know. Like you were talking about a few weeks ago. He went like the Val Kilmer or the, who was the other guy you talked about this and said? We have the Hall of Fame of Straight to Video, guys.

We have Val Kilmer. We have Kubrick Jr. Okay. We have Michael Madsen. You see him every weekend. Oh, yes. We have Tom Seismore. He's creptop.

Tom Seismore, yep. Then, of course, our boy Eric Roberts, he's always a pleasure to watch in these things. And of course, the legendary one is Danny Trejo. Oh, yes. At least he's fun to watch every time. Now, here's the deal for the people that don't know real, real fast. What happens is that when you have no money, what you do is you go and get one of these guys for about a day, and you pay them to be like in three minutes of your movie, and then you market your entire promotion around that guy, even though he's only going to be in it for three minutes.

Right. And that's how you sell your movie to distributor. So that's why you see all these guys. popping up in about if you go to some of these guys filmographies they got like 20 movies in production right now bruce willis is a good example he's creeping up in there i he he's that no i'm not more than that really but uh right and also jason patrick of all people too samuel l jackson but samuel jackson is kind of like a weird because he's still a big star but yet he i don't know if he has like i don't know if he has like 10 kids around the country he's got a support or what but

probably so man he doesn't he doesn't say no to anything you know he'll he'll go do a movie with a $10,000 budget and he'll go do a movie with a $100 million budget, but it's just weird. That's a weird one to me. Sure. Well, I'll tell you one thing. I did not like this trailer at all, but I am looking at the director, Brad Peyton, and he did San Andreas last year, which a lot of people thought was a really fun movie. That still had Dwayne the Rock Johnson doing donuts around a big freight of Traitors took out of, man. He's also pegged to do San Andreas, too, and the film version of Rampage, the video game.

Have you heard of this one? That should be fun. That should be fun. I would hope so, but the Rock is actually supposed to be in that one as well, guys. So he's going to take out all the monsters? I guess. Hopefully he's not going to be the fireman that, or the guy with a flamethrower that just gets eaten every three minutes.

So who knows? I didn't care for this trailer at all, guys. No, another that, it seemed like a typical Cashin Studio movie, nothing to see, really. Right. If anybody is interested in watching it, it'll be out December 2nd. Well, we may be enough in a horror movie glut

by then that we're forced to watch it for the show. You never know. Yeah. Moving on to the next one is another one I did not care for either. It's a satanic. Kind of looked like a movie version of a C-W show, didn't it? Yeah, it's, I can't think of her name.

I know she's on that show. Damn, I'm spacing here. Sarah Highland, the one that feels Chloe or whatever? Yeah. She's not a bad looking young lady. I'll tell you that right now. Yeah, she's on the show with, damn, I'm spacing.

Modern family. Yes, there you go. Other than that, I don't recognize anybody else. Yeah, neither did I. I saw it. I got no memory of it. That was two weeks ago, so give me a break. again this is like a run in the mill satanic movie and uh from what i'm seeing apparently the movie

was already released so i don't know if it was a vod or limited release i have heard nothing about this movie hmm i've seen this movie nowhere the only thing i remembered was the visual of the pinagram that they painted on the wall there for some reason other than that nothing stood out for me the same here nothing you know I couldn't even really tell you what the movie's about. I mean, other than that it just looked like a bad episode of Gossip Girl or Dawson's Creek or something with the devil. There's a movie called Citanic with Jeffrey Combs that came up about 10 years ago. We should go watch that better.

Maybe we'll check that one out. Okay, everybody, watch that one. Don't watch the newer one. All right, fair enough. You got a deal. Okay, our last trailer is a monster calls starring Liam Neeson. Oh, yeah. Liam Neeson as a monster tree, right?

I heard about this from like a year ago. It also has Felicity Jones, is that her name? She's in Rogue One. Felicity Jones is pretty hot actress right now, actually. She's got a lot of stuff coming out. Yeah, wasn't she the wife in a theory of everything, Stephen Hawking's wife? I think so. I'm thinking of someone else.

It might have been. Who knows? Oh, it was her, dude. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's a pretty good actress, man. This movie also stars Sigourney Weaver and Toby Kevall. I'm interested in this movie. It kind of got like a Tim Burton kind of...

It does have that scene in the trailer, though. We're talking about real steel where the kid is punching and the monsters emulating what he's doing. Okay. Except the monster is punching a house. He's just punching a shot, you know. So, I don't know, it looks interesting. It looks... Sure. So, I mean, I mean, it was his name. Liam Mason? Yeah, as the monster. That's what it says here on the credits.

Right. I'll give it a shot. Hell yeah. I'll check it up. It's something I feel like I could take the two granddaughters to. I have a six and an 11-year-old granddaughter that live close by here. So sometimes I'll take him to the movies on the weekend or something like that. It looks like something kids would really enjoy.

Yeah, yeah. I got nieces about the same age as well so I could take them. Yeah, and really good. special effects from what I saw in the trailer. I'm impressed. Spacing on the director's name, but I know he's done movies like the orphanage

and The Impossible that came out a couple of years ago. It's actually two very good movies. Yeah, so. And I think he's, if I'm not mistaken, isn't he supposed to do another one of the Jurassic World movies, or am I thinking of somebody else? Yeah, I'm not sure about that one.

I think if I'm not mistaken. Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. I think he's either a Spanish or a Mexican director. Okay, I got his, his name is Juan Antonio Biona. He will direct the fifth installment of Jurassic Park film series. All right, so he's on somebody's radar.

And I'm very glad that Brian got it right. It is part five, not part two. Okay. Right. There's nothing more, it's not Jurassic World Part two, people. It's Jurassic Part Five. Gotcha. Indeed.

Thanks for the clarification, because you're right. This movie is due to come out October 21st. Yeah, I'll check it out. Yeah, it looks pretty good. Yeah, I'll give it. It looks like something you can bring the family to. Yeah, I'm going to check it out. So, sounds like out of the three, there's one I'm interested in.

What about you guys? Yeah, about the same. Just this one here. Same here. Cool. I mean, knowing us, we'll end up checking all three of them out. Right. You know, the other two got to find me.

That's the way I say. Understood. Okay, I thought we'd do a little something different this time. Talking about John Carpenter, you know, in the recent news, he's going to be involved in the next Halloween movie. So I started looking up. Next year, there's going to be a lot of remakes and sequels to a lot of fan favorite movies. So I thought we kind of go through the list of what's coming out and maybe talk about if we're interested or not. Cool.

All right. Okay. The first one on the list is Amityville Awakening. No interest. No interest. So is that a remake to the remake or is that a remake to the original? Because now I'm confused. I have no idea because we had talked about it on our show how there was like, I don't know, like, what, 15 sequels.

And so I know this movie's been made, done. trailer came out a while ago, so I don't know what that says about the movie because it should have... I think it should have came out like a year ago. Right. And it has a January 6th release date. Oh, okay.

Yeah, it's not a good sign when it's in the can that long. I mean, somebody don't want it out for some reason. Yeah, I think I'm a pass on this one. I mean, I don't know. If it's on Netflix or something, I might check it out. But I'm not... It comes to the point where I go out. What else do you need to say?

say about that. You know, whatever it's been said has been said. You can't really add to that kind of movie anymore. It's just been, you know, that franchise has just been done to death already. Well, you would think so. The only thing I could think of, and have they done this guys, and I've just

missed it, but maybe in Amityville parody? Kind of like Wayans Brothers haunted house type thing? I would never watch that in a million years, though. That's the problem. Okay, well. But I don't think this is it. But God, I was just Those parodies are the dirt worst in cinema, all of them.

Okay. Okay, moving on to our next one is Friday the 13th. Definitely, definitely a classic series, man. Yeah, but again, now we're to the point that we're remaking movies that I've already been remade. It's weird. It's like, what's going on here? Right. There's got to be some scripts in Hollywood that are just sitting there collecting does that are very original.

And I understand why. I understand the politics of why they do. Because it's going to make money. It's a sure bet. But, man, how many times could you go to the well on these things, you know? No doubt. Does the fact that it's origin story intrigue you any? Not really.

And then I also heard some found footage scuttle bud. Is that true? It's going to be, they wanted to be a found footage? That rumor is dead. They confirmed that's not happening. See, my problem with the last remake, which was, I believe it was called the Friday of the 13 or some bullshit like that. Okay.

Was that this guy, Jason, was like a paramilitary expert weed farmer all of a sudden. Yes, that's right. And I'm like, what the, you know, this guy's always just been this, you know, killing machine that has absolutely no conscience. Right. And now he's laying down booby traps and, you know, all kinds of shit. Now, don't get me wrong. The movie had a phenomenal first 10 minutes.

I'll never forget that. When I was in the movie theater watching it and the entire opening sequence is like 10 minutes and then he kills, spoiler alert people, he kills like the first people there that you thought were going to be like the protagonist and all of a sudden the credit come up like 10 minutes later, that I like. And then all of a sudden it just turns to shit.

Were there a great set of breasts, though, at the beginning of that movie or something? Oh, definitely. There were, yeah, top 10 all time. So, you know, it wasn't a total loss. No, it wasn't. The 10 minutes and the breasts were made it worth, made my matthew, my matinee 699 worth it right there.

Okay, another origin story that we're getting is Leatherface. Why? And I thought we already got it with, I think, Blumhouse. No, no, no, platinum dunes did that one. Did they? Apparently, they're going younger in the origin story. Ah, shit. And this one, as far as casting, I know confirmed Stephen Dorff is in this one.

I thought you said Braddorff. That would have put a smile on my face for sure. But is Stephen? Okay, that's good. That's good. He ain't going to be leather face, though, right? I hope not. I haven't really heard anything about the actual plot, so. There is a movie poster they released this online.

We lost Gunner Hansen about a year ago, so it ain't going to be him. Coming out January 27th next year is Resident Evil, the final chapter? Oh, my goodness. Well, thank God for that, if it really is the final chapter. But if we know any lessons from previous final chapters, it's only the beginning. Yeah, no shit. Time to reboot and start again, huh? But you know what?

Here's the deal with Resident Evil movies. I'm a sucker for those. I'll admit it. They're like cheesy fun time. They absolutely make no bones about the fact that they don't take the games into consideration. They'll just pick and choose little characters here and there. But I've always found that it's just a good time at the theater with those movies. You're going to get some good action, some good scenes.

And I didn't really care for the last one. But the first three I like. I like the first three a lot. One in the desert is the last one that I really liked. But yeah, I mean, if it gets a big theatrical, I'll go check it out. Yeah, it wasn't the last one, a 3D? Yeah, and I saw it in 3D. It was pretty much.

Yeah, that was the last one, last movie I've seen in 3D, actually. Yeah, it wasn't that bad, you know, as far as, you know, like a popcorn movie. Yeah, yeah, because, I mean, sometimes you just want to go in there and just kind of, you know, shut your brain off and have a good time, you know, they don't all have to be classics. And like, like, I was talking about the purge a couple of weeks ago, you know, it's like, that fits into the same mold. You just want to go in there and sit down with your popcorn

and just have a good time and those kind of movies that's what they give you. That's all they give you, really. So that's good. Yeah, guys, I was never a fan from the beginning. Isn't the first one where

some guy was walking through a room and I don't know, was it lasers that chopped him in half or some kind of blades or something? I just never cared for the Resident Evil movies. I love playing the video game, but I just didn't care

for the films that might. What wasn't one of them like there was a big lead-up that it was going to be set in Vegas like a Vegas in the future or whatever Yeah, that's part three. That's part three. Okay, but correct me if I'm wrong, they were really only in Vegas for like five minutes of the movie or something like that? Yeah, you're right And it was like basically just sand everywhere and everything was buried. I never got into him. But I'll tell you what, they were in Vegas longer than Jason was in Manhattan. Okay, you're right. He was on that. Yacht the boat a lot though, huh? Yep. And I still want to know how you go on a yacht from

wherever they were at to Manhattan. No shit. That doesn't make sense. From Camp Crystal Lake to Manhattan, huh? Yep. Okay, our next movie due March 10th is Kong Skull Island. That one I'm looking forward to.

That one I do want to see. Yeah, they just recently released pictures from the movie. The King Kong is going to be pretty massive in this one. Now, now is our boy Andy Cirque is going to be the

con man this time and give himself two pay days like he did with King Kong? Remember, he got some pay days. He was there as a character and as King Kong. Was he really? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I have not heard his involvement in this movie. Well, I wouldn't be surprised.

I mean, he's kind of the go-to guy when it comes to doing the computer graphics and providing the face and all the looks and everything? Yeah, yeah, he was Golem and Caesar and he's a supreme Snoke. So yeah, he's around. He's getting his money. Hey, I will tell you this. I'm kind of looking through the casting list. This is like, I mean, literally an all-star group. It looks like you got Tom Hittleston, Brie Larson, the previously mentioned Samuel L. Jackson, John Goodman and John Sasson.

Reilly. Now what kind of a fucking cast is that, guys? Well, any time I see John C. Riley brings his smile to my face. Absolutely, man. So this could either be extremely good, or it could be a whole bunch of really talented ego stepping all over each other. That's right. That's right. As a risk you take when you build that kind of cast. Yeah, and this is also set in the Godzilla universe from the last Godzilla movie. Sure. Cool. Eventually, they are going to meet in a movie.

Well, that's the new trend in Hollywood because of the success of the Marvel characters. That's right. Everything has to be, if you own multiple franchises, your goal is to create cinematic universes now. So that's going to get very annoying in a few years. We had talked about it a couple episodes ago. They're trying to do that with the universal monsters. Well, to their credit, it's always been like that with them, because they've always kind of been in the same universe, even going all the way back to the 50s.

Right. So if anything, they were the trendsetters for this mess. Yeah. It's a good point. That's a good point. I'll tell you what, this, I really, really enjoyed the Godzilla movie. I know a lot of people didn't like it that much. No, man, I think they've got something to work with here,

and it sounds like they got a great cast. Yeah, this is one I'm excited about. Okay, our next one just announced coming out October 27th is Saw Legacy. Oh, no. Oh, geez. the guy died about three movies then. Somehow they find ways to bring them back. You know, Jesus.

I knew Saul wasn't dead. They promised this it was two or three years ago. I knew they were fucking lying. It's kind of like that final chapter scenario you were talking about. Yeah. Another movie,

we're getting a remake of flatliners. Because the whole world was just waiting for that. Absolutely. And I'm, a little confused because I guess this one's also starring Kiefer Sutherland

but it's supposed to be it's supposed to be a remake so a remake with Kiefer Sutherland but it's got it's got a few people in it it's got Ellen Page Diego Luna who's going to be in Rogue One what? They've actually

got people that are for sure going to be in this move yeah they already got a release date of August 18th. What the fuck? Diego Luna's a damn good actor, guys.

Y'all know who he is? Of course. Yeah. I mean, this could be pretty good then. Ellen Page, who's directing it? Let me look that up real quick. Well, the original had like

Julia Roberts in it and Kevin Bacon. So the original had a good cast, too. It did. And a lot of them were actually made by then. By the time they did that movie, I remember they had already done a lot of big roles. So I don't know, guys. This sounds pretty interesting.

Let me ask Brian this. I don't know if it's on his list. I don't know if I was dreaming this or if this is a fact here. Are we also going to get a Highlander remake? That's what I heard. It's not on my list right now from what I've read. It's only in discussion right now. Oh, man.

You can't replace the greatness of Christopher Lambert. I'm trying to remember. They said they had someone an idea, not idea as far as we're concerned, but who they wanted. But yeah, right now it's in discussion. Problem is, though, about that one, there can be only one. The Great Clancy Brown, so you can't fuck with him either. Right, no shit. Will they have another Scottish Spaniard?

Yeah, we'll see how these turn. Maybe you and McGregor this time? He's too busy getting in shape for that Obi-1 movie that's been talked about as well. True, true. Okay, I just pulled it up here The front runner right now To play Connor McLeod is Tom Hardy Whoa

And it was announced You got my interest now And it was announced in February That Dave Batista would be playing the Kyrgyn Okay He didn't Clancy Brown But he's pretty damn charismatic himself I was about you

You guys know a lot about him, don't you? Yeah Moving on to our next one, Jeepers Creepers 3 is actually filming right now. Oh, good, because that one's been in development health for years. That's another movie that I liked the first one because it doesn't have your typical Hollywood ending, and I like that. Right. Me too. I love the first one.

The second one is a little, it always bothers me with Victor Salvo because of his history, and you see his movies, and it's like, I don't know, it makes me a little freaked out. I don't know if you guys know. Yeah. Yeah. You know. And the second one, he filled it up with a bunch of high school kids in a bus. Okay. Now, is that the guy that directed Clown House?

Yeah. Okay. So that is the sick bastard I'm thinking of. Yes, and powder as well. He also did. Ah, that's right. That's right. Yeah, the second one he did, you know, there was a lot of boys in the school bus,

shirts off. It didn't have the great Ray Wise, though, and I always like seeing Ray Wise. Oh, yeah. fantastic, man. Yeah, they'd have him in it, so that's always a plus. You know what? I hated it so much. To be honest with you, Pedro, I had forgotten Ray Wise was even in it.

Looking up, Geepers-Creaters 3, the actress from the first one is going to reprise her role. Gina Phillips. I always liked her. I'm surprised her career didn't take off. She was all the pretty girl, and Jeepers Creepers was the biggest thing she did, and then she went right to the

female version of our Val Kilmer's and Cuba Gooden Jr.'s. She's been in DVD straight to video hell for the last 10 years. So I'm glad she's going to get a big payday out of this if it gets a big theatrical. So any idea what this is supposed to be about, Brian? It's called Jeepers Creepers 3, the cathedral.

Cathedral? Yeah, I'm not... Very goes to church. Who knows? It could be, man. Okay, our next one, Hellraiser Judgment. There's been a lot of Hellraiser movies.

Yeah, this. This is the one that I was not looking forward to because I don't think Clive Barker's involved in this one. Right. Because he was, he's trying to remake the original one himself. So this one I don't think has his involvement in it. I forget the actor's name that plays Penhead. He's not reprising his role. Doug Bradley.

Yes. Okay. So it is Doug Bradley or it's not? It's not. Oh, fuck. Which I don't think he's been Pennhead to last. Only one. The last one they released,

he was in Penhead. And it was horrible. Nobody ever watched that movie, please. And it is on Netflix, by the way. So I just became an enabler by default. Yes. Here's the story with that. What happened was that the Weinsteins were about to lose the rights to a Hellraiser.

And within like a month, they assembled the team, and they just did it because they were going to lose the right. So it was very selfish, and the motivations weren't the proper ones. And they just made this horrible movie. without Doug Bradley or without Clive Barker and it's just a big pile of shit so uh... That's one we should, people should avoid.

I will avoid. You gave, uh, last show you were on with us, you gave me two really good movies to watch. I think this, this week you've already given me two really good to avoid. Okay. And, uh, we're getting another child's play movie.

All right. Yes. Chucky. I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love that movie. I don't know.

Is Tom Mancini coming back for that? From what I've heard, this is going to be a sequel. It's going to follow right after Curse of Chucky. Perfect. Perfect. As well it should. Well, I don't know how that's going to happen, but, oh, good. I mean, it is. Okay. Well, they had that one scene at the very beginning. Do you remember? Or, I mean, at the very, very end of the movie where... Yes, yes. The after-credit scene.

Yeah, the after-credit scene, which I don't know if they're going to, you know, pick up on that, where they actually get Andy involved again or what the deal is, but I mean, I could see it going either way. This one could either go back to Andy or this could just be another character altogether, but out of all my favorite

horror movie icons, Freddie is number one for me and Chuckie is a close second. I love all of them, dude. I love the kiffiness of the... Well, the one thing I didn't like quite as much was seat of Chuckie, because I was thinking, why in the fuck does his son have a British accent?

That didn't make sense to me. But pride of Chuckie, I love, man. I love the way they kind of turned it on its head, the mythology, and did something completely different, you know. But yeah, I'm with you, dude. Curse was great. About two years ago, I went to see The Exorcist 3 over at the new Beverly Cinema. And obviously, Brad Doravs in it, right?

And he was there as a speaker. So he's sitting down on his seat, ready to watch the movie. And a couple of people started getting loud in the back. And then he gets up and he's like, Shut the fuck up. But that was Chucky saying there, right? Right. So it sounded just like Chucky said.

So the entire fucking theater just started laughing and going into hysterics. Awesome. Because, you know, if you close your eyes, you know, it was Chucky's telling them to shut the fuck up and sit down. But anyways, that was pretty cool. So, yeah, no, I'm in for any Chucky movie. Yeah, they always have a certain charm to them. Yeah, big time. Yeah, and I just found out Mancini, Jennifer Tilly and Fiona Diroff is confirmed for the sequel.

I am so in, dude. That curse of Chucky was pretty cool. And then they connected it to all of them. It was clever. It was clever. They did all that. I agree, man. Very, very well done the way they tied it all together. All right.

And the last one we're going to talk about is their remaking Susperia. That's going to be hard because that film is such a product of its time. And also the director, I mean, Dario Argento, he just kind of out there as it is. He's kind of a wacky guy. Yep. So to kind of duplicate, try to duplicate that whole. visual and then you had the goblin soundtrack which was phenomenal i mean i don't know it's just going to be one of those cookie-cutter remakes i fear you know and they're going to try to americanize it

which which totally contradicts what that movie's all about because they has that italian sensibility to it we'll see we'll see how it turns out however and and believe you me pedro i had every single fucking reservation that you just expressed when i heard about this however my understanding if i'm not mistaken brian is there's some pretty goddamn talented people lined up to be in this. Dakota Johnson and Tilda Swinton are going to be in the remake. Tilda Swinton. That's the name I heard that got my attention. It's probably going to be the main witch.

For sure. For sure. And I think it should be perfect. That film is just so encapsulated in its time. I don't know. It might still be a good movie, though. I guess we'll just have to reserve judgment and wait and see what happens. Yeah. And I actually did miss one on my list. Probably because... because I don't care about this movie. World War Z-2. Allegedly it's coming out next year, which I don't believe it will come out next year.

No, because that movie is so big and so bloated that we should have already started to hear pre-production and we haven't. So you're right, it's probably going to be in a couple years. Hey, have you guys ever read the book by any chance? Yeah. Yeah, it's nothing like the book. Nothing like it at all.

In fact, the book is a bunch of vignets, like a whole bunch of short stories told from all different points of view. And he actually, the guy who wrote it is, I don't know if you knew this, Max Brooks. He is the son of Mel Brooks. Yeah, yes, he is. And I was thinking, that's a weird thing to come out of, you know, as much as Mel Brooks is just like straight up comedy. And then his son seems to be, you know, pretty talented too, but he writes about zombie and zombie. Zombies and horror elements. I just thought that was kind of odd.

But they also have one that I did not read that he wrote called the zombie survival guide. Yeah, that's more of an instructional manual on how to survive the apocalypse. Okay. Yeah, he kind of throws some stories in there, but it's mostly like what to do to survive the apocalypse, you know, where to hit them, you know, what kind of weapons you need to have, you know, stuff like that. That's pretty cool. So basically the concept is like, okay, so we're assuming that it was. was written in a world where they, you know, literally have taken over and they're here. And it's kind of a book that they try to get out for people to read, you know, make sure some of the humans

survive, huh? Right. Exactly. Hey, I'd like to read that. Well, I mean, I would hope you're enough of a veteran of the genre where you wouldn't need to, but if you have to, you go for it. Well, I guess you're assuming that, you know, the people in that universe, it wasn't brought up as a genre, you know, and it just kind of happened. Yes, we're trying to get meta here. If it happens in this world, you don't need it. But if it happens in their world, we do need it. There you go, man.

Like if there was vampires here, you know, you would know about the garlic and the steaks through the heart and all that kind of stuff, right? Yeah, but also keep in mind that they, in the fantasy world, sometimes they go against their own rules when it comes to vampires. It gets more confusing with vampires now because they'll tell you that that garlic shit is bullshit in their world. Okay. So in the fantasy world of the fantasy world, it's like, no, garlic doesn't work. Mother fuck. So it's like, it depends what alternative universe we're dealing with here. Man, it gets confusing, doesn't it?

Yep, it sure does. Yeah, World War Z-2? Nah, I'm not looking forward to it. Yeah. No. And that was the last one on the list. All right, so normally this is the time of the show that I would say it's time for us to start going into our two featured attractions. But of course, we're doing things a little bit differently here.

And we are going to focus on a director who I think is near and dear to all three of us, but maybe particularly so more to you two guys. So, Brian, I'd like to ask you to kind of get things started, man. I know you're a huge John Carpenter fan, and you can probably fill us in and fill the audience in on what got this guy to where he is and some of the highlights of his career. Yeah, I'm going to read a little quick bio on him real quick. You know, I mean, I'm pretty sure if you're listening to this, you know who John Carpenter is.

You know, he's a film director, screenwriter, producer, editor, composer. He's worked in numerous film genres. He is most commonly associated with horror and science fiction from the 1970s, 1980s. Going back to his music, he's composed or co-composed most of his music in his films. some of them are now considered cult as well. The main theme of Halloween being considered a part of popular culture. He has released his first studio album, Lost Themes in 2015, and also won a Saturn Award for Best Music for Vampires in 1988.

I thought we kind of go around and, you know, speak on pretty much, you know, our favorite movies from John Carpenter. And I'm going to start it off my all-time favorite, one of my all-time favorite movies Big Trouble in Little China Love that film It recently just celebrated its 30th anniversary A week or two ago

I was just gonna say when that movie came out It was originally a flop But now it's a cult classic Well that's gonna be the overriding theme of his career Unfortunately that we're gonna get to And he just had some bad breaks over his career Yeah it's just for me It's just overall

A great movie You got comedy you got fantasy You got action you got memorable characters. The music, I always remember the music. I might own the soundtrack to it. And I'm really scared of the remake they're about to make featuring the rock.

Yeah, I kind of wish they wouldn't do that. Here's the thing that people don't understand about Big Trouble in Little China. It's a satire on the action movies of the time. Like, the character with Jack Burden, he's a complete buffoon, which gives it its comedic value. If you go back and rewatch that movie, he never does anything. But somehow he thinks he did everything,

you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's what's got me worried of the casting of the rock because I don't want him to be Jack Burton. No, it wouldn't work. You need like an everyday man to be Jack Burton. You can't have this juiced up rock running around because that's what gives him to this charm.

First of all, Kurt Russell did a phenomenal job with that character, with that sense of like, you know, he's a very prideful guy, but when it's time to get down and dirty, he just can't do it, you know, whether because he's a clumsy guy or he's, or sometimes he's just straight up scared. And then, of course, they do that cool thing where the sidekick, you know, the Asian guy, he's the real hero of the movie in the disguise, because he's the one that always kind of sets the table for Jack Byrne to take all the credit, you know what I'm saying? I love that movie. I've always said this, because when I saw the Force Awakens, and I know how

much J.J. Abrams, how much of a fan he is of these things, especially this genre, I felt like the character of Finn was very much inspired by Jack Burden, because if you see the character of Finn, he's in the same situation. He's always the guy that's going to save the day, and he'll get knocked out, or he'll get your trip on himself, but somehow he has that comedic timing to where he wants to take the credit, but everybody is in on the joke, you know, and it's the same thing with the Jack Burden character. You know, a couple of my favorite scenes are, you know, obviously when he shoots the gun up in the air and then the debris of the roof kind of knocks them out

you know and then of course when he opens the door he's like ready and then he opens it and all those guys are going to attack him and then he's like he closes it again and then he just looks at everyone like no we can't go out you know just great scenes over and over and of course they do that whole thing about how he he didn't even want to be involved in this what happened is that he just so happened to drive his truck at the time you know where shit was going down so so there's a lot that's a great movie that's a good pick

of that you had right there. Okay, Lance, you want to go next? My number three was Escape from New York. And I think the main, one of the main things about this movie for me was not just the film itself, but like my personal memories of watching this movie with my dad

who passed away two years ago and just remembering how much we enjoyed watching this movie together. This was one of the original ones that a bunch of movies are based on now, right? I mean, wouldn't, wouldn't you guys agree that this is kind of like, I mean, we're going back to

a film we just reviewed not too long ago, the Purge. Yes. Yeah. So there's a lot of similar elements, I think, in the purge movies, especially the third one, to escape from New York. I think there's a lot of elements

in all kinds of movies now that come out where you're kind of like, you've got to go in and get somebody and get the hell out of there. I just think this one did it early, and I think it did it really, really, really well. But a lot of what I like about this and was really, quite frankly, just my memories of watching it with my dad. Who can deny that Snake Pliskin is one of the most, you know,

badass anti-heroes of all time. That's right. You know, so Escape from New York is, uh, is definitely giving my, uh, number three of my top three. Okay, a quick little thing. Um, connecting a big trouble in little China. Uh, you guys ever read the comics to these, uh, movies? No, never have. No, I haven't either. They will be merging the two characters in an upcoming comic book. What? Yeah.

Because I haven't read, I read a little bit of the Big Trouble and Little China. It picks up right where the movie ends. And they said, upcoming, I think, I don't got the date here in front of me, but Jack Burton will meet Snake Pliskin in the comics. Now, come on, dude. How are they going to pull that out? No, it's the comics. It's too different. It's not like Kurt Russell.

But the thing, I think it'll work because it's two totally different characters. You think so? They're both like, they're both completely opposites because Jack Burden is kind of like this bumbling buffoon. And Snake's Flicks is like such a badass, you know, and he's such like an emotion as badass. One of my first scenes in Escape from New York when he's having that one-on-one moment with that one girl. Remember? And you're thinking, oh, wow, they're going to go the romantic.

route here, you know? And all of a sudden, and all of a sudden, they come from underneath the ground, and they take her, and he has absolutely no remorse. He just gets away from her, and he allows that to happen. That scene has always stood with me. Right? He just walks away, you just like, okay, fuck it. They took her, because, because Snake's Pliskin, he's kind of like, a, he's exactly what his name implies. He's kind of a snake, and his whole thing is, he's a criminal, and his whole idea is I have to survive, and now I'm in this situation, and I got to get out of it. I don't, I don't care about anybody or anyone that I have. He doesn't even care about the person he's got to rescue.

He just got to get out of the situation in his in because he got caught up in it. Exactly. He just cares about getting the job done so he can get out of prison. Yes, very reminiscent of somebody like a Mad Max. That's who I think they have parallels there in both of those characters. So he's very much an anti-hero like you said. So it'll be interesting to see what happens when he meets Jack Burden, who's like, He thinks he's a badass, but he's really not.

And I'm with you, though. I mean, I love Escape from New York. The main theme is one of my favorites from John Carpenter's discography. That's a phenomenal theme, though, one from Escape from New York. And, you know, it's just one of the movies that I always revisit at least once a year. So let me ask you guys a question. And I know there was a quasi-sequel, Escape from L.A., which, you know, was fun to watch and the surfboard and all that bullshit.

And then, of course, you know, Bruce Campbell showing up as the plastic surgeon. Yeah, but let's remember who was the surfer. You're down playing the surfer now. Okay, okay. It was the great Peter Fonda. Indeed, indeed. But let me, seriously, though, why has no one put together a TV show for Escape from New York? That would be cool because Nick Spliskin is the kind of guy that kind of gets into these wacky adventures.

and just he would be a good character or just have a monster of the week kind of show whereas like every week he's dealing with something else kind of like Supernatural was in the early years you know so that would definitely be something cool to watch yeah I mean would that not be the you know the perfect you know 13 episode you know season where you know what I think they should do I think they should have him

go on a different adventure every season okay so instead of like escape from New York or escape from L.A. You know maybe one season could be, you know, Snake Pliskin going into the Amazon or something. And then another one could be Snake Pliskin in space or something. But I don't know. To me, it just seems like he'd be the perfect character to be, to have a recurring role. You know, somebody you'd want to check out more of a long-term story arc.

Yeah, and the cool thing about this character, too, is like any anti-hero, he does have, at the end of the day, the best anti-heroes have this weird, fucking moral compass that only they follow. For example, at the end of Escape from New York, when the president wants to have that speech and, you know, Snake Spliskin has that incriminating tape, as he's walking, as he's walking away, he just rips it, you know? In other words, he's still doing something for society, but at the same, it's almost like he can only take so much, you know,

but all these anti-heroes always have that weird moral compass where they're good guys, but they're also very selfish. It's a nice little balancing act. And at the end of the day, they don't give a fuck. that's what makes him so right yeah yeah yeah so anyway that that's easily my number my number three yeah there is a remake in the works

no yes that's not I wanted to hear well okay well let's let me let me take a little side step here and talk a little bit about john carpenter first of all the guy has absolutely no shame in getting paid all right we true that has been and he will tell you himself he's like I don't give a fuck who takes

the long as I get a paycheck you could we do whatever the hell you want. And he makes absolutely no bonus about it. Yeah, take, for example, the Halloween talk, right? He has most of his filmography has already been remade. The Thing, the Fog, Halloween, a Saldon Precinct 13, which actually wasn't a bad movie, the remake. Not too bad. Right.

And so, yeah, he's got a feel of his movies already remade. He's also become very lazy over it. But he's an older guy. He's like 70 years old now, but, you know. And from the people. People that I know that have dealt with him, he's also very moody and kind of like... I've heard that before, too. So he's not the best human being to interact with, but he's very, very talented, which is, you know, how most artists are actually when you think about it.

Right. So did you guys, not to change the subject too much, but did you guys ever happen to see the anthology series he did on HBO? Well, it wasn't even a series. It was just like a one-shot movie. Body bags. Body bags. Yes. Yes.

I love that. Oh, I loved it too. I was just going to say, it's been a while since I've seen it. Right. I do remember it had the guy from Revenge of the Nerds, Robert Carradine, as a serial killer in a parking lot garage or in a gas station or something. Yeah, it was a gas station. Yeah, and that was very against type, at least for me,

as a little kid remembering from the Revenge of the Nerds. Sure. Yeah, John Carpenter was the guy that worked in the morgue. Yeah, he was like the creepkeeper. He was like the cryptkeeper. You hit the nail right on the head, dude. He was the storyteller. And then there was one with a Stacy Keech trying to grow his hair out,

but he takes this weird potion or whatever. And all of a sudden, he has some growing, like, hair all over his face. And then the last one had Mark Hamo, I believe. Yes, yes, that's right. That's right. He had surgery in his eye, I think a serial killer surgery. They put somebody else's eye in him, right? as a transplant or something like that.

It was a serial killer. Yeah, so he ends up trying to kill his wife because the iPus has to something. That was a, you're right, that was an experiment. They wanted to make it an anthology series, but nobody went for it. Because at the end of the day, I think, I haven't seen it in years, but I think the movie's not that good. You know, it's not that the best movie. And so HBO or Showtime or whatever, they never picked it up. Oh, dude, I loved it, man.

I loved it. As a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, I think he had a couple. of pretty big name directors show up in bit parts and I think maybe some of them helped either ride or direct some of the segments Toby Hooper directed the Mark Hamill one. I remember that.

Okay, all right. And then I think San Ramey pops out in the gas station as the client. Oh, fuck, you're right. You're right. Before Robert Carrey shows up with an axe. And West Craven incident, I remember too. You know what, dude? For what it was, I loved it, man.

I really enjoyed it. I wish it could have kept going. Yeah. It would have been a cool little thing. Yeah, and it was purposely trying to be kind of like a B-movie horror, don't you think? Yeah, somewhat campy. Yeah, but we do stuff like that? Yeah.

So anyway, to get off the topic a little bit there, I thought body bags was a lot of fun. I wish it could have kept going. Oh, definitely. Okay, so I'm going to choose, I mean, I'm going to choose the thing. That's the one I'm going to choose. Ah, great choice, man. Great choice. everything about this movie is perfect like the setting the to this day like if you if you

you know we live in a very jaded society right but nowadays nobody nobody gets scared anymore but if you put somebody in a dark room and you turn off all the lights and you put on this movie it will creep them out because of the fact that the characters themselves are in a very isolated place so it kind of by default makes you feel like you're with them in a very isolated place yourself i mean they're in the middle of an article for crying out loud. So it's like there's no where to run. And the thing about the thing, you know, no pun intended there,

is that we never really even see the thing. That's what it's called the thing. What is it? I know it's like a parasite, but that's what makes it so scary because you would think oh, it's this monster, but it's some sort of parasite that makes you the monster. Sure. It kind of manipulates.

Yeah, it molds into you and then it creates whatever it has to create using your own DNA. You know, we have the classic scene with the dog we have the classic scene with the spider head which is the that's really the one everybody thinks so when they think about the thing um so many tense moments how about how about the part when they're all getting tested for see if they haven't that that that that if you if you don't think that's a tense moment i mean i don't know what to tell you because that's such a great execution

of directing and acting and everybody's doing their part and of course it has uh john carperton's soulmate the great kurt russell like we we've given him some love in the last three films right so And John Carpenter has gone on to say that this is his apocalypse movie. You know, this one and The Prince of Darkness. Right. I heard about that there's, yeah, there's like a quote-unquote apocalypse trilogy, right? Yeah, and I think of the mouth of madness is the last one. That's right.

That is. There's no happy endings to any of these films. Yep. And what makes the thing so strong, and, you know, to bring it to a modern movie, which is the thing that you guys do on this show, the hateful late ending was pretty much. a copy of the thing. Oh, wow.

You and Brian need to have a little conversation right now because this is one of his favorite movies and Brian, didn't you bring that up? Yeah, Quentin, he's outright said, you know, this movie's inspired by the thing. Well, yeah, because he hired

Andrew Marinconi and you know, it's a funny story because Quinton never, never, has never hired anybody to do a score and he took a risk during this movie and he told Enrio go make me a score for my movie and Ariel came back with a horror movie score and he was like, what the fuck?

And he's like, okay, well, I guess we'll use it. So if you look at, if you look at the hateful eight and the score, it's very much a horror movie score. But it does fit the motif of the movie as well, which is the beautiful part of it. But you could take that score out and put it in a horror movie and it'll work just as well. And then also there was outtakes from the thing soundtrack, which Enrio also did. And, you know, they used it in the hateful eight. But yeah, the whole idea about the ending of the thing is that both of the characters are dead. They're both going to die.

It's just about who's going to die first because one of them is infected and it's eventually going to kill the other one. And it's a very somber ending, you know? So I love this movie. Lance already knows this is one of my all-time favorites here. I rewatch it every year. The paranoid, I've actually, my oldest daughter is into horror movies and this is one of her favorites too. the whole the paranoia

and not knowing who you can trust the creature designs on everything I actually because we did we had a discussion about this one

in the remake and I really are the sequel or prequel whatever it was I really wish they used more practical effects

in that one yeah that was a that was a 22 year old Rob Bolton I believe the one that did the makeup effects

here and he did a great job I think it was Rob Bolton I don't know if I have my makeup artist, my special effects artist confused, but it was robin. You're right. And he actually had a nervous

breakdown because he was, he was literally working like seven days a week, 12 hours a day on it. Yeah, and then it had the great Ding Cundee, who's a great cinematographer, and he did all of Carpenter's early work. That's the reason why all his movies look so beautiful, because Dean Cundee's Academy Award winner cinematographer. To me, this is like a perfect movie. It's in my top five movies of all time, not just. horror so it's like everything you want in a movie is here you know and and it's it's so perfectly

crafted and everybody does their job as far as the performances are concerned so and again when you think of this movie you think of all the classic scenes that it has you know even if people have never seen the thing if you describe a scene they don't know what you're talking about yeah something tells me you may be spoiling

one of Brian's high picks here and then now let's talk a little bit about the the fucked up part about the thing. What happened is that it came out the same week, I think it was the same week as ET, right? And it took 80 to call it. So here we have the same thing that happened with Big Trouble and Little China. It's like John Carpenter came out with a great film that should have been a classic off the gate, but all the steam was taken out of it because of ET. And this film was actually a commercial flop. It really affected John Carpenter how he saw

working in the studio system, you know. Big Trouble in Little China was the one that really broke him as far as dealing with the studios, and he went back to kind of being an independent. Right. This one also took a big hit as far as what he thought, working with studios and all that stuff. But thankfully, it ended up really finding its place on video, and it really has become a classic over the last 20 years or so.

And now it's like one of the best movies of all time. Unfortunately, at that time, nobody saw it like that, and it wasn't a success. Yeah, this is probably, if you think about the thing, it's probably when you look back at Carpenter fans, either his number one or number two favorite. And the other one that would vie for that, I'm going to be covering a little bit later on

if you have an idea of what I'm talking about. Well, when you think of John Carpenter, you always think of the thing, for sure. And for anybody that's a fan of Scream Factory, they're releasing a collector's edition, Blu-ray here pretty soon. I heard about that, man. I was very upset because they're also releasing the Exorcist 3 special edition and it's like, man, their Blu-Rays ain't cheap, you know, so I was thinking, man, that's like a $45 hit on two Blu-rays.

Yeah, I don't know. A little off subject, they are releasing the Child's Play special edition. I saw that as well, man. Yeah, it comes with a collectible, collectible figure, Chuckie figure. And that's going to run, the pre-order is going to run you about. about 60 bucks on that one. So can I go ahead and buy it now? I've got my credit card out and I'm googling right now.

Where can I do it? I think the website is Shelf Factory. All right. I'm in, dude, for sure. Now, here's the deal with Childsplay. This is what upsets me. They never made good guy dolls to, like, sell them. No shit.

Here's the thing we probably say, well, go buy a chucky dog. I don't want a chucky dog. I don't want Charles Lee Ray, though. I want a fucking good guy, though. Yeah, no shit. You can't find them anywhere, you know. But you could have them custom made. I've seen like $5,000 custom made.

Like, no, I mean, they should have mass produced these because there's a market for them. I would buy one of the motherfuckers, you know? Well, hell yeah. Why wouldn't there be, man? And I guess what happened for the movies, they just created the boxes. And, you know, it gives the illusion that they have a lot of, you know, good guy dolls, but they never really made a lot of models. Yeah, that's the story there.

Because I've been on the market one for one for years. but I ain't going to spend no 5Gs, you know, I just don't have that kind of money. Yeah, which one was it where they were actually in the, in the Good Guy factory? Wasn't that Child's Play 2? That was two, yeah. Yeah, that was fucking awesome.

That was one of my favorite, especially at the age I was when I saw it, that was just one of my favorite scenes of a movie of all time. And I actually also liked, I think, was it the third one where Andy went to Military Academy? Yeah. Okay, so do you guys remember that crazy fucking ending at the end where they were in the carnival that somehow turned into this big giant amusement park with this huge roller coaster ride that went down like into a mine shaft and everything?

Yeah, and then somehow there was a big fan that killed Chucky. Yeah, no shit, dude, where the fuck did that come from a little traveling carnival, you know? I mean, dude, that trip me out. I loved watching that. My memory of that movie is when he's going to kill the old man and the old man has a heart attack when he's his the fucking doll move. So he just dies and then Chuck is like, you gotta be fucking kidding me. Oh, I love it, dude.

Chuck, he was so disappointed, wasn't he? Anyway, so I'm done with the thing. You guys, Brian, you're next, I believe. Okay, my number two. We can talk about the thing all night. I don't care. This is a great fucking movie, but anyways. I think we'll get back to that one.

My number two is they live. Ah, you asshole. There you go, spoiling me now. starring Rowdy Piper and Keith David. Right. Well, that's my number two also, so we can just go ahead and start talking now. One of the longest fight scenes, I believe, in a movie. That was an awesome fight scene, and a lot of it was, I believe, improv between the two of them. That makes sense. The way it was filmed, I could definitely see that.

Keith David was not going to put those motherfucking sunglasses on, was he? No, he wasn't. And there is a, in wrestling is known as a side suplex in the fight scene, which I know Roddy Piper had a lot to do with that. Really? Explain what that is. I believe that's when you grab somebody and kind of like if you're going to pick them up, but you put your arm around, their arm around your neck, and then you just pick them up and go backwards. Okay. All right.

I've never seen that in a real fight. And then I think, Brian, does he do it like a? An actual suplex, too? I vaguely remember that. I think he does. There's a lot that went into that fight. Oh, and then there's a sleeper. Of course.

How could I forget the sleeper? Right. I think that's when he finally gets him to put on the glasses when he puts on the sleeper hold on him. I believe so. And then, of course, it's got the famous, I've come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubble gum.

Which was, from what I understand it, was improv by Roddy Piper. Hey, so let me ask you guys that or this. What do you think of Meg Foster? Not just in this role, but like overall. Her eyes always captivated. No shit. The most beautiful blue piercing eyes, right? She can be in the most shittiest movie,

and I always remember her in the movie because of her eyes. How can you not? Like speaking of a shitty movie, Masters of the Universe. Right. She's in that one. And I remember her. in that one. Who was she in Masters of the Universe, though?

Evil Lynn. Yeah, another Canon film. You're right. Yeah, Canon loved that kind of shit, didn't they? She was also in the Rudd-Hawr classic Blind Fury. Remember you guys? Remember Blind Fury? Absolutely. I love that movie. Was that Rector Howard?

Yeah, Ruggard-Hauer. I can't say. I'm Latino. That's too hard for Latino here. Give me a break. No, no, but I do love the part where he's he's crossing the street and he's I don't know what the fuck there's the crocodile in the middle of the street this is the 80s people everybody was on cocaine

so there's a crocodile in the middle of street and then he's blind so he just taps it and he's like nice doggy yeah another movie I just recently seen her and I did a rewatch of any of you guys watch the best of the best series yeah of course

yeah she was in the sequel with Eric Roberts and the late Chris Penn, I believe, was in it too. Yes. Yes, he was. Okay. But before or after he ballooned into a 300-pound-pound? No, that was before. Okay. But yeah, she's very recognizable with those eyes.

Yeah, gorgeous, dude. And not as good looking anymore, kind of rough-looking, but she still has the eyes. The Lords of Salem, guys, remember that? Yeah, I didn't like that movie very much. I'm not really a Rob Zombie guy. I don't know if I'm breaking any hearts here. No, I kind of mention. But that's good, man.

Difference of opinion. That's what this show's all about. The thing about her, is that it's not, okay, she is a very beautiful woman with those eyes, but they also kind of, they're also kind of intimidating. Imagine waking up next to those eyes every morning. Like, there is that cool part about it, but there's also like, what the fuck, you know? So anyways, Meg Foster, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, the overall message in this movie, how, you know, the hidden messages everywhere when you put on the glasses.

The social commentary is incredible here. Just the way, because it's almost like you have the social elite, which are the millionaires and the politicians, and they're the aliens. And actually, Roddy Piper, he's kind of a bum. He's a homeless bum. And actually, his name is Nara, which is Spanish for Nothing. That's his actual name in the movie.

Really? Yeah, his name is John Nata. which means, okay, John, John Nuth. So the message here is that, you know, you're dealing with that whole poor society against rich society, the whole thing that's been going on for years in real life, you know. All the layers of social commentary here are incredible, like consume, consume, you know, this is your God and this and that. I think this movie is ahead of its time. I think this movie, even now is relevant to kind of the stuff that we see in the news nowadays and all that.

So I think this is another great example of John Carpenter when he was in his prime. Yeah, good point, man. And all these themes come back again. And it's like now more than ever, it's actually kind of true, you know? Yeah, like now with social media, you know, people are married to their phone now. You know, you have like walking zombies like just hooked on their phones and, you know, consuming. And so it's, it's, this movie I feel like it's never going to get old. it's always going to be relatable no matter what era we live in.

So it's pretty good. And of course, you know, you have the parallel of that is it's a homeless person, which is Rodney Piper's character who has nothing to lose. And by having nothing to lose, he's the one that has the biggest eyes to see what's really going on. He's the one that kind of, he's the hero, and he's the one that kind of tries to overtake the aliens or whatever they are. We never really find out if he really wins or not, even though he destroys the satellite,

but he kind of sacrifices himself in doing so. You could kind of classify this as another one of Carpenter's Armageddon movies, because we really don't know if he did enough to kind of unmasked the aliens. Yeah, he was kind of like Randy Quaid at the end of the Independence Day, right? Yeah, except he didn't say, Up Yor! But he had some better one-liners like we've talked about, right? Yes, he did, that he did. Yeah, so I think we would agree that this is a pretty goddamn good.

good movie and of course keith david has that wacky voice that i love oh fuck dude anything keith david is in i'm watching period this dude is this dude is something else man and and you want to talk about another actor who shows up in pretty much fucking everything this guy's never out of work not to be confused with david keith which happens all the time which is another that's a white guy he's another actor. Yeah, but unfortunately he went out the wrong way, you know? Yeah, well, what do you mean by that? He's passed away?

Isn't David Keith the one that got cancer and ended up shooting himself, so he wouldn't have to go through the pain of it? I didn't know that. If I'm not mistaken, I think so. All right, I'm going to look that out really good. Yeah, I'm pretty sure David Keith is, wasn't he on like a TV show,

like maybe their family affair or something like that? And I could have sworn that he ended up committing suicide because he had pretty bad cancer. I could be thinking of somebody else. He's alive and wild, brother. All right. I'm thinking of somebody completely different then, obviously. He's another character actor with Keith David.

Okay, so he's younger than the person I was thinking of. I like how here on Wikipedia they tell you very prominently not to be confused with Keith. David. Oh, okay. Makes perfect sense, right? You know, even though they look nothing alike, but they do have the same name, just backwards. So anyways, they live,

yeah, it's a classic. Yeah, any fans of David Keith, don't worry, he's still alive, so. Okay, well, I will figure out. Any haters of David Keith, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, sorry. But I'll definitely do some research,

and by the time we do our next show, I'll figure out exactly who I was thinking of because I know there was somebody that that happened. Brian Keith, maybe? We got to do like the Terminator and just go through the phone book. Well, yeah, let me tell you this. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was Brian Keith, and I really think he might have been David Keith's father. There you go. I mean, all kidding aside, I really, really think that's the case. Oh, okay. Okay, I just looked at it up, you are correct. It was

Brian Keith. You got the wrong Keith. But is that his father? Or am I off on that? I don't think so, because David Keith's pretty old. Well, he does have a son named David, so. Man, I'm pretty sure.

We're getting closer. I am pretty sure. But it was, it was Brian Keith, though, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. So we both covered our number two. I think I'm going to take everybody's number one as my number two, and that's what worries me. So I'm going to switch things up.

I'm going to switch things up, and I'm going to pick one that's in the, and Carpenter's kind of middle of the road, but I think it's still a great movie. And I'm talking about Christine. That's the one I'm going to pick next. Okay. You know, again, that has a lot of rewatchability. It also deals with, like, see, the thing about John Carpenter movies, it's not just about the, the, the, team. It's also about the characters and the humanity of the characters. At least his early years. I'm not talking about his later years. And Christine, I believe, had a guy by the name of

Keith Gordon, I believe his name was, the main actor, the one that, you know, that gets possessed by the car. Right. When I watched it, I was a impressionable young man. There was something about that, the coolness of the car. Like, I could totally relate to that, you know, and you're going through high school and you're kind of a nerd and you know this car kind of comes out of nowhere and kind of really what is, this is a love story when you want to get down to it with a car and a boy in a car

you know, which is kind of wacky. And this is an adaptation of a Stephen King novel. Now, I don't know how happy Stephen King was with Carpenter's portrayal of, I've never heard him say anything negative about it, whereas he kind of, when Stephen King has something bad to say about his adaptations, he'll say it. You know, he said he, the shining sucked and he said,

You know, other films have sucked, but he's never talks smack about Carpenter's movies. This is one of my favorites. What do you guys think of Christine? Oh, this is, this was my honorable mention right here. One of the things that I always liked in the movie was, what was the main actor, Keith Gordon? Keith Gordon, yeah, Arnie. Yeah, his transformation from that nerd to that, to where he ended up before he died. I always liked that part of the movie.

And how he didn't need the best. Was that his best friend in the movie or was just a friend? Yeah, it was kind of like, that was the jock who kind of like looked out after him because he was such a... Yeah, by a certain point in the movie, he didn't need him anymore. That's right. Right. And I always liked that part of the movie. And I used to love how the car used to talk through the music on the radio.

Like, like the car would express its emotions through whatever. song would come out of the radio. I thought that was like a neat trick for the like because you couldn't have a talking talk a car, you know, you're not dealing with night rider here. So the way it expressed itself was through music. And I thought that was phenomenal because it also gave Carpenter a chance to come up with a phenomenal soundtrack for the, you know, there's a lot of oldies in it, you know. So it was, I like that idea. One of my favorite scenes in the entire movie is like, and I think this is like a like a crossing point where you know that Arnie's full evil. Once Arnie realizes that the car is alive, you know, in that in that great scene where he's

like, show me and the car just built itself again. Like, like, you know, that, that to me is a pivotal point in the movie, because at that time, I feel that's when, when Arne's officially an evil person with the car. He's officially been taken over by the car. Officially possessed, huh? You know, the analogies that it, that, that the movie has as far as, you know, being in love, even like, with a girl or whatever, how you become kind of possessed by a grow or whatever. I love all that stuff because there's a lot of like, like sublayers to the character as far as like being ignorant to everybody else and just focusing all your time with this fucking car, you know, and then of course the ultimate demise, you know, where he finally gets killed.

I'm talking about Arnie and the car gets, you know, all roble-dub. They kind of go out together, you know, so this is another great carpenter movie. Yeah, I'm looking at potential people they could have cast as Arnie and these would have been way. different movies. Scott Bell as Arnie? Oh, no, come on. He had that show's in charge stink in him.

And also Kevin Bacon auditioned for the role. Hey, that might have been good. He opted out because of footloose. Well, he did the right choice. But, okay, I was going to say, because if it was after footloose, he was already typecast. But if it would have been before footloose,

then it probably would have worked out. But Scott Bell, I don't know about that. Maybe Willie Ames. That would have worked out. Yeah, originally they were going after Scott Bayo and Brooke Shields. Oh, okay. They ended up going with Alexandra Paul, who ended up in Baywatch later on. And then one of our favorites, Harry Dean Stanton is on here as well.

Oh, yeah. Is he in the movie? Yeah, he plays one of the detectives. Yeah, I really haven't seen Christine in years. Yeah, that's another one you should revisit because it just, It just has a lot of... It has a lot of grown-off themes within the fantasy of the fucking car possessing a kid, you know? So that's what I like about it.

And it also has what is a continuing theme of this podcast where I recognize stupid people in this movie that think they can outrun the car. Here we go. Stupid people. I got to point them out every time. Cars on fire and you're running in a straight line. up the street so that's all i got to say okay but to be fair to that fat kid he did think that he was safe when he goes into an alley that was that was shorter than the car would fit he was not he was not expecting the fucking car to wiggle his way into that alley you know squishing itself in the process

that's something that was that that you know was not in the budget of this kid who ended up getting ran over or killed i'll give me that one i'll give you that one guys while you why you guys have been talking i i did some research on the uh uh david keith uh situation and brian keith no relation no relation whatsoever for whatever the fuck that's worth all right so uh brian's next i believe because i was i was my number two oh my number one was yeah my number one was already spoken is uh the thing not surprised yeah you know we've already said enough every if you haven't checked this movie out

i think i think everybody needs to give it a watch the thing is that what about when uh kevin williamson took that that that scene where they're getting tested almost verbatim damn your plagiarism right for the faculty you know oh that's right i forgot all about that man yeah they redid it in the faculty what if i could rip off dude just a straight up ripoff

that's all that is well the thing about Kevin Williamson is that he's always done that like if you see all his movies like the scream and you know I know what you did that summer yeah and speaking and speaking of Kevin Bacon he worked with him on that on that TV show uh the following the following yeah and that was a pretty goddamn good TV show yeah that was a for a while for a while for a while and it kind of went downhill it it it was a big missed opportunity I think they could have done so much more with it I mean in what way because the concept was Very like, you can't stretch that concept out where like you have a cold killing for you. No, no, I agree. I agree. But I think that once they kill Purfoy off at the end of the first season, they should have just left him dead. And I think he should have focused on like every year he could have gone after a different cult. That would have been a good show.

That would have been a good show. Yeah, you're right. So, you know, I mean, but like you say, the first season was really good. So for what it, you know, for what it was, it was enjoyable for a while. So anyways, I wanted to talk about how Kevin Williamson's a thief, and he stole that scene right out of Carpenter's... Sure sounds like it, man. Now that you mention it, I haven't seen that movie in probably 25 years.

Or whenever it came... What was about 25 years ago that it came out? No, no, no. Oh, 15 years ago, right? Yeah, about 15 years. No, I'm more than that. 20, I'll bet. No, it wasn't 98.

98. Okay, all right, that makes sense. 18 years ago then. I don't know if I should be proud of it. embarrassed of knowing that fact of the top of my head but it was definitely 98. You know what? I remember enjoying watching it but now

that you say that and I'm thinking about the scene again I'm like that fucking asshole. Well maybe you enjoyed it because it was a Robert Rodriguez film and you know at that time he still hadn't hit rock bottom yet so he was still pretty good. That was actually a Rodriguez directed film?

Yes sir. The faculty No shit. I Fuck, dude. I didn't know that. That was just dimensioned films. Well, fuck, dude. Okay, that's probably why I liked it then. I'm going to go with Halloween. What else needs to be said? We have to talk about Halloween.

Here we go again with two guys picking the same number one then. I expected it because, I mean, Halloween is a classic. That label gets thrown around a lot. But this movie is a trendsetter, a classic, a masterpiece, everything you want to call it. That's what Halloween is. Absolutely, dude. we talked about the I think the best double feature

you could have is Halloween with a thing because you're gonna come out of their scare shit list with and both in different ways right yeah and it's just it's one of those movies

if you've never seen the movie you know the music but what I like about this movie more than anything is like if you're into film and just making movies right this is a great this is a great little film

to see in film school because every shot is so perfectly crafted it reminds me of like what James Juan is trying to do now but this is John Garpe Printer doing it in 78, you know, it's like one of my favorite scenes of all time is, uh, it's the, the part where Michael Myers gets out of his car and, and he's stalking Tommy, right?

And Tommy has that, that big pumpkin. Right. And then the camera is dollying Michael Myers at shoulder length. And he's walking through the fence. Uh, first of all, John Carpenter found a way to have the camera come out of the car without the technology we have today, without actually, you know, having the cameraman bump all over the fucking car and then he ended up following Michael Myers and then you know you have little Tommy running around with and that's when he tripped they tripping with the with the pumpkin and

then and then as he's running he he bumps into Michael Myers and Michael Myers grabs his arms you know so how did so how did he pull that that shot off do you know it's in the commentary I forget and I and that was probably Ding Kandi who again I said earlier that was his cinematographer for years and years sure that's that that's one of my favorite shots you know of the entire movie. And then, of course, the thing that makes Halloween so great. And what a lot of these rip-offs that came later never understood was the characters. We all fell in love with the three girls, you know.

We all fell in love with Laurie Strode and Linda and Annie, you know, great actresses in their own parts. In the first part of the film, that's all we're doing. We're walking with them and we're eavesdropping on them. and their conversation is so fluid and so smooth. You know, it's like these three girls are legitimately best friends. And, you know, in the background, we have, you know, the shape. Michael Myers just kind of stalking them, you know.

And so it just works so perfect. I love this is my number two favorite movie of all time. My number one movie of all time is Pope Fiction. But this is my number two favorite movie ever, ever. That's a good one-two punch right there. Are you? Don't say who thought him how to drive, please. No, no, no, no.

Are you looking forward to this next Halloween movie that John Comptor is involved in possibly composing the music? Not really, man. I mean, because I know that John Carpenter doesn't have it in him anymore to be creative like he was. Like, again, we said it earlier. He's gotten lazy and it's like, just pay me, you know? And again, this is out of his mouth, not my mouth. I mean, I'm going to watch it because I'm a huge fan for Michael Myers, but I don't really care to. I'm not excited for it.

what I'm trying to say. But Pedro, you don't think this could kind of like maybe re-spark his passion a little bit? Because this was his original passion project, man. I don't know. We'll see. I just saw him in concert about a month ago. Yeah, so you went to that, huh? Yeah, yeah, and it was a magical night. He sang all his hits. Well, he didn't sing him. He played him.

Yeah, I was going to say, what did he do just kind of like sit behind a keyboard and he had a band around him? Or how was that? Yeah, exactly. He has a band, which includes his son, his son's also a keyboardist He had a... It was a young band It was maybe kids in their early 20s

And they were just rocking out Man, yeah, it was just rocking out the whole time And what I like about the live show Is that you're getting raw music As his theme So everything has a little more kick to it It's live music

Or he played maybe about 18 songs What he did was he chose one song From every one of his movies Okay, so they were all songs That were actually from soundtracks then Yeah, well, scores yeah exactly and and and what was cool is that whatever movie he was playing it would be in the like they would have like little shots of it in the background you know so so like when he when he

played the theme from they live it had like consume and you know the classic movies that they you know not bad it was it was a great time and for being 70 man he would he would start dancing you know he still had a little jigging them even though he's an old man no kidding yeah so uh it was it was a good time to see him getting back to hollinois um yeah man i mean what else could you say about it was just it was just it's like a perfectly crafted movie um and it fucks with you and as far as what you expect you know and and it really the the thing that separates this movie from other movies that came after it is is the craftsmanship within this movie you know like i said you could tell that he took his time to build everything the story the pacing the shots everything and everything

pays off. The last 10 minutes when it's just balls to the wall, Michael Myers trying to kill Laurie Strode. I mean, how many classic scenes do we have there in itself? You know, we have the trying to break into the closet scene, which is phenomenal. We have him rising from the

dead as she's in the doorway, kind of like, you know, breathing heavy, because you've got to understand that that's how we are as the audience. We're her like, oh, fuck, I'm glad this is over, and we're just kind of thinking, trying to get our breath back. And all of a sudden, this motherfucker rises again in the background you know and you're like fuck and then also there there's that other

aspect of it how john carpenter said this guy has no meaning like that whole brother bullshit came later that wasn't even part of the original oh yeah yeah and that and that and that's another reason that it does kind of piss me off sometimes that they keep trying to add to a mythology that didn't need anything added to it this is just this is just like like he said it was just pure evil we don't have to know why he chose lorry strode we don't have to know where he went well he went to Haddonfield because that's where he grew up, but we don't have to know the reason behind the evil, and then once you start

showing it to us, it loses a little bit of its luster. Well, you know, the slow burn aspect of this movie was something that really you know, I mean, it tied in with a lot of movies that were going at the time, but I think it also set precedent for a lot of movies that came later because

I mean, you didn't really even see any violence until what, at least two-thirds into the movie? Well, the sister in the beginning. Well, besides the opening scene of course yeah yeah then it's like a long you know it takes place in one night really so up until it gets and and what i do what i love about it is that it has a lot of rewatchability for example when you watch it again you start to understand that this this movie is daytime and then shit starts when it gets dark like like little things like that you start noticing you know and

there's that classic scene where he sneaks up from behind her and you know you just see the mask come out you know that that's one of the most famous scenes in the movie so i mean I always get excited when I talk about this movie because everything about it is great. There's nothing about it that, you know, it peaked at the right moment for me as far as just being a great movie. And it was made on a relatively low budget, right? And didn't they film it around like California? So if you really look, you can see like palm trees and stuff like that in the background, even though it's supposed to be, what, New England or wherever the story took place?

Illinois, yeah. Illinois, okay. but but uh it's funny because i live about 10 minutes away from the actual house and the house looks nothing like it did here but it still has a lot of tourists trying to take pictures and get next to the house and all that of course so um anyways and dr lumis now that's the only thing about this movie that dr lumis is just kind of wacky because when you think when you think about it for about 90% of the movie he's going around in circles like literally going around he can't find this guy but he always seems to be like one step behind him, you know?

Sure. He just can't seem to find him into the very end where he finally shoots some quote-unquote six times. But really it's like five times or seven times. I know the number is wrong. Okay. That's another piece of trivia, huh? And then he falls down and gets up again, right? Yes.

But my thing is, okay, so if John Carpenter wasn't going to write the sequel, Well, why the hell did he get up? I guess just so we could get even more scared because he's still out there. Just have a creepy ending, right? Like the mystery of it, you don't know what's going to happen, you know? Right, right. So, yeah, I give this movie. It's a 10 out of 10 for me.

Wow, man. I've never given any movie a 10 out of 10, but I would give this one like a 9.5 for sure. Wait a minute. So not even your favorite movie of all time. You're number one. A clockwork orange. Okay, that might be a 10 out of 10. Okay.

Might be a 10 out of 10. Kubrick's favorite film ever, and he's my favorite director ever. So, yeah, I could probably slip into 10 for Clockwork Orange, but nothing else. Wait a minute. Are you saying that Kubrick's favorite film of all time is Clockwork Orange? In my opinion, yes. Oh, but not in his, because I want to say, what an egomaniac. You have your favorite film, be your own film.

No, okay. No, that's my favorite Kubrick film. But he's made some good ones, man Oh, he's a legendary director I mean, what else can you say about that? And of course, as you guys alluded to earlier, Stephen King fucking hated his version of the Shining.

Yeah, he just said that it didn't have, it was a little too cold, you know, I don't know, I don't get that guy half the time anyway when he talks, so. Hard to tell, isn't it? But yeah, that was a good one and full metal jacket. you guys seen that one?

Yes. And Dr. Strangelove, that was a really good one. He's had some classics under his own. He's had some classic. Eyes wide shut, you know, not so sure about that one. Although, you know, on retrospect, that's one of those. Once you've seen it the third or fourth time, you really start to appreciate it, you know? I mean, it has a lot of themes that I think as we get older, we start to understand as far as relationships.

Oh, yeah, for sure, man. So it has that going for itself. But when I was a young, like, that movie came out, I was like 18, and I was like, I don't understand what the fuck's going on, you know. But in later years, I got more of an appreciation for it. Right. And wasn't Peter Stormere in that movie in like a really weird role as like a shopkeeper or something like that? I think so. I could have sworn I saw Peter Stormair in there, you know.

I really have to scratch my memory because I haven't probably haven't seen that movie in, I don't know, maybe like, you know, 10 years, like a little bit after it came out. really hated it the first time i saw it give it another shot i think it's it's very it's there's there's there's there's there's definitely do that man definitely the only thing i don't like about peter stormare is when he tries to have one play an american because he's horrible at it right all right well so i think we've gone through all of our uh picks at this time right yeah so now uh we could talk about honorable mentions or you know what if if if If you've got, if you guys have some honorable mentions, let's, uh, let's cover them, dude, because there's probably a bunch of them.

Well, Assault on Precinct 13 is a good one to start. I mean, I've never seen a little groating of ice cream cone get shot right in the chest. It's very, you know, that's kind of very dark and pretty rough, man, pretty rough. That's one of the ones, okay, so that a sold on Precinct 13 because Carpenter was so limited in budget. We talked about two weeks ago how the movie collapsed could have, it could use a bigger budget and become a better movie. Same thing with the Solon piece in 13 Because you could see how limited he was in his budget And some of the shots are very like wooden

And you know stiff and kind of You know I do love the main actor though The hey got to smoke you know that guy was phenomenal I think he's passed away since there Yeah that movie could definitely use a bigger budget I know they remade it but they completely changed the story Yeah I didn't like I mean the remake was good But I didn't like it nearly as much as the original

Yeah so that's my pick for honorable mention You know you have See, if the listeners are noticing, we're avoiding the 90s because he really fell off big in the 90s. Although a lot of people consider, we were talking about Lovecraft on our last show we did together. Yeah. A lot of people consider in the mouth of madness one of the better Lovecraft adaptations. From a 10-year span from 90 to 2000, he really should the bet a lot. I mean, we're talking about...

I'm going to go with one from the 90s that I always kind of liked a little bit of vampires. Yeah, James Woods. And if nobody recognizes Tom and Ian Griffith that played the vampire. Who the hell was that? He was the main villain and karate kid part three. Ah, shit. Okay. Well, that explains a lot.

No, it's just a movie I remember watching in the theaters. Right. It has some good scenes in it. Okay. You know, I'm not going to say it was total shit. Would you give it an honorable mention, or would you just say as, far as his 90s work goes, it was... I'll give it an honorable mention for his 90s work.

All right. It has one of the 10,000 Baldwin's running around Daniel Baldwin in it. Oh, no shit. Also has Mark Boone Jr. from Sons of Anarchy. That's right. He gets split in half. No, what was cool about that, okay, what's cool about that, the original vampire team that he had together, you'll notice it's a plethora of fucking B-movie actors.

and stuntmen that you've seen in like a thousand other movies of a carpenter in the 80s but they do have little cameo roles and like you said mark boone junior is one of them uh the Asian guy that we always see as a villainous another one uh and I just said that in a way where hopefully know what I'm talking about but I don't remember his name and had a lot of guys that everybody's like I don't know that guy's name but I've seen him in a bunch of movies yeah yeah and and what I like is when uh when Thomas I and Griffin goes to the hotel or whatever they're partying, that's when they earn their money

because they all take this incredibly horrible-looking stunts to their deaths, you know, getting to their headshot off, being thrown out of windows and shit. I always felt like vampires was a good concept, and there's a good movie in vampires, but this one ain't it. Didn't quite make it under the film, did it? No, because the thing is that it starts off really badass.

Like, you got James Woods is this vampire slayer, but he's kind of like, they never really go into his history, but he's kind of like, he works for the Catholic Church, but he curses like a sailor, and he's like a bad, he's like an anti-hero. Yeah, he's slapping around the one priest. I got to go back and re-watch that one. Like, I'm going to stick this,

this stick into his ass, Padre. It starts off with that, the, the, and then it shows like, like Brian was saying earlier, that badass vampire team that he assembles of all these B-movie actors, and then they have this incredible vignette of them just hunting vampires for the first 10 minutes. And then the main vampire comes out and he wipes out the entire team.

And then it really just like, the movie just slows down to a halt because now he has to assemble a new team. And there's this, there's this Padre who's kind of like a smart mouth. So the middle portion just lags and lags and it never really captures the first 20 minutes of the movie. And it just never really recuperates. So anyways, that's vampires. I think it was a good movie, but there was a good movie premise here, but the execution was poor.

Okay, I do kind of remember this now. So this was kind of like an ensemble cast type thing, right? Not really, because those B-movie actors, they're only there for the first. Like I said, they get wiped out right away. We just see them in the beginning. It's probably like 15, 20 minutes into the movie. All right. Yeah.

Safe to say, I'm going to have to go back and re-watch this one. this is definitely a James Woods vehicle if you want to do it he's the main guy and then he never really recuperated because then he did go to Mars which again had a lot of potential but the execution was for that one had ice

cube and it had yeah Jason Statham before he was big you know yeah and I do remember that one pretty well and I just remember not liking it that much because they had a great cast it also had like Natasha Hendrish when she's still

had a career, you know, it had Pam Greer, you know. So it was a good cast, a Cleo Duval. Remember she was an up and rising star? And then just didn't really work out for her. The villain itself is just this wacky monster. His name is Big Daddy Mars. And it just, he doesn't do anything. He just grouse throughout the entire movie.

That was another movie that was poorly executed. And then he just kind of disappeared until he did the ward about, what, five years ago? That wasn't too bad. That wasn't horrible. Yeah, it was, I don't, I just remember being bored with that one. Yeah, it was pretty dull. I remember it had a twist, but I don't remember what it was. And I was like, oh, it was the same shit we've seen before.

But I remember it did have some sort of twist in the middle or the end of the movie. Yeah, you're right, you're right. It wasn't like a twist that would really get you thinking, wow, that was super clever. You know, it was just more like a twist of, you know, for the sake of being a twist. Yeah. And it had, it had, she kind of blew up for a while. but she hasn't really done much recently. I haven't heard of her in anything new for a while.

She will be in the new Aquaman movie. Ah, okay. Well, there you go. Jason Momoa's love interest, huh? Yes. Do you guys remember, we're talking about our honorable mentions, do you guys remember Dark Star by any chance? Yeah, yeah, that was a pretty goddamn funny space opera movie.

I really enjoyed that one. That's another nice little honorable mention. Again, that was when he was fine-tuning his craft. He was just getting started, dude. Yep. So that, I mean, I would consider that one that is worth watching, but it's not really a horror movie. No, it's kind of a satire of like space operas. Sure, sure.

Yeah, so it's kind of like, you know, kind of like a, like you said, a satire of space operas. there was a British sci-fi show where they were they it was an ensemble cast on a garbage scow does this ring a bell with you guys at all no no yeah I wish I could think of what it was

but that reminded me a lot of a lot of dark star oh okay I don't remember what it was yeah it's kind of like on a ship and they were an ensemble cast ah man it's right on the tip of my tongue if I think about it I'll I'll remind you I think it was a red dwarf. No, I've never seen it.

You ever heard of that show at all? It was a BBC show, and it was real big in, like, the 80s and the early 90s. I think it started, like, around mid to late 80s. But it reminded me a lot of Dark Star. It's like they're out in space and just a bunch of really funny shit going on with weird characters, you know? Oh, okay. I'll see if they have it. Maybe they have it on YouTube or something.

It could be. It's called, yeah, it's definitely called Red. dwarf and I think that's worth watching and that has the same exact vibe as Dark Star for sure the thing actually wasn't on my top three but you know obviously one of the best

horror movies of all time I mentioned one I used to watch when I was younger Star Man with Jeff Bridges Oh yeah Yeah that was it like right Before right after Christine I think

Yeah it was 84 Yeah it was Wasn't that the one where he said, she was teaching him how to drive and he said, green means go, red means stop, yellow light means go very fast. Yes. Right? He was just kind of an innocent that was sort of trying to learn the earthly ways.

And I think that one actually had like a positive happy ending at the end, didn't it? I think so. They were actually, there were some scientists that actually saved him from being like kidnapped and operated on and everything. I think I've heard that movie referred to as like John Carpenter's most positive movie And this is going to be the latest John Carpenter film to be remade So yeah that's that's all I pretty much have for our honorable mentions Cool that's it that's it myself yeah it's just um movies like Village of the Dam and he did a couple that are just bad in my opinion Ghost of Mars will we talk no no no no memors of the invisible man that's another

Oh, yeah. I just don't, those are like, I don't want people to watch those people. Now, wait a minute. Is that the one with Chevy Chase in it? Yes. Oh, that thing was a piece of shit. I had no idea of Carpenter directed that. Yeah, yeah.

He went through a low, man. Like, you know, as we close up this show, I want to talk a little bit about John Carpenter because really, if you look at his early work, he should be up there with the Spielbergs of the world. and the classic filmmakers of our era, but he's not. No doubt. And when you study his filmography, you understand why. Like, he just started choosing these, like, bad projects for himself, you know? Right.

He had, like, three or four, like, really bad movies in a row. And now he's a niche director. Like, we love him because we appreciate his work and we love the genre. But to a mainstream audience, you know, I don't know how much they consider him a classic director. So it's unfortunate because he should be up in the upper echelon with those other guys. Well, I mean, he's definitely up there with all three of us. There's no doubt about that. Oh, yeah, yeah.

You know, we wouldn't have dedicated our first retrospective show to him. So, you know, hats off to Mr. John Carpenter. And, you know, thanks for bringing us all that you have to be entertained with through the years. So, all right, well, I think that that wraps up this show. So again, Pedro, thank you so much for being on the show with us, my friend. We do appreciate it. And one more time, if you don't mind letting our listeners know where they can check your stuff out. Yeah, it's Geekdom 101.com.

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