The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #91: Sunshine (2007) & Annihilation (2018) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: October 29, 2022

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James victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome, you have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers. and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. All right, and here we are again at the horror returns. Thank you guys for all listening. Lance, with me as always, are my co-host, Brian and Phillip.

How's it going, guys? It's going good. Yeah, doing awesome, man. It's some decent weather finally. Yeah, what about you, Brian? We got a lot of snow a lot. Yeah? Yeah, it's fucking ridiculous.

It got like super warm, everything was melting, and then just the last, like, a few days it's just been snowing. Well. Colder than a witch's titty. See, that's the thing. It's not really that cold. Mm-hmm. Because probably by next week, it'll start melting again, so.

Well, a little... Just ready. And then a little slush, huh? Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready for spring. It's not too far away, right? Yeah. A couple of months for you guys.

Yeah, well, for schools up here. I think spring breaks like next week and next month. Mm-hmm. So, not looking forward to that, though. Why is that, man? Oh, because the kids are going to be home every day. for a week. Well, maybe they'll want to watch the Medea Halloween movies or something.

Oh, damn, damn you. A marathon. We're doing it. All right. What's the cool of the week, Brian? Lance, I think you've seen this one. Hellraiser judgment. I noticed you decided not to include it on our show.

Yeah, I put it in there because I love the first two. Oh, yeah. Who does? doesn't. And I'm like, you know, what better, you know, what better way to, you know, get this in the show to review? And then I watched, uh, the new one. And, oh my gosh. I mean, I will say I kind of like the new guy as Pennhead, even though he was in the movie for like 10 minutes. That was part of the problem. And, uh, yeah, a big part of the problem sounds like. It just, it didn't, it didn't feel like hellraiser, not one bit.

Not at all. It's like, you could tell Clive Barker had nothing to do with this movie. Yeah. Like I said, when we're at Frightmare, we need to ask him what his opinion is of this one. Yeah, because he was supposed to remake Hellraiser himself. Ah. Like, basically reboot it. He needs to.

Yeah, and I don't know what happened to that. Mm-hmm. Maybe it was some inside info. Yeah. And then I checked out a new, uh, kind of, I guess a little. low budget independent horror movie bad apples oh yeah so you put that on facebook yeah it's fucking horrible the acting is

really really bad it's you could it's like everybody okay you got you seen killing of a sacred deer how they were how they were acting in the movie that's how they're acting in this movie except you know that's not how they were supposed to act very robotic very like

you could tell that they just read script and then someone said action. Right. And I like the, there's an actress in it, Brea Grant. She's kind of like starting to be like a, like in the new wave of scream queens. She, she's okay in it. And she's been in other like newer horror films. But I don't recommend this at all.

Oh, no. So you expected some good things out of it sounds like. Yeah. And, uh, last. Last night I checked out a mute on Netflix. I'm looking forward to that one. I dug it. It's another, another decent little sci-fi.

I'm hearing a lot of people didn't like it. I wonder why. I don't know. I don't know what people want nowadays. I did, I really like Paul Rudd in it. It was kind of a different take for him. I mean, he still did the little comedic thing here and there, but it was a different role for him.

Okay. Scarsguard was okay. I think it's because he didn't talk. He didn't say anything. Oh, he was the music. Yeah. But I recommend. I give it a watch.

It's on Netflix. Oh, yeah. I like Duncan Jones, man, the director. Bowie's son. Everything he's done, I've liked. Although I didn't see what he sold out and did some video game movie or something, didn't he? Oh, Warcraft. Ugh. Yeah, I didn't see.

Yeah, I've never played. I've never played the game, so I never had no urge to watch it. But a lot of people told me, if you weren't into the games, then you're not going to like it. And so I never watched it. Yeah. Wise decision. What do you think, Philip?

I watched it. It wasn't awesome. Oh, no. Yeah, so my cool of the week, I did watch three billboards outside. of Ebbing, Missouri. Oh. Yeah, I finally got to catch it. It was really good.

Yeah. I can definitely see why it's best picture material. Sam Rockwell is awesome. I love him and everything he does. And, oh, I saw the first couple of episodes of altered carbon. Oh, how'd you like it? That's pretty cool so far. I'm digging it.

So I'm definitely excited to get further into it. Yeah, nice, dude. I finished that up, so that was pretty cool. I saw a Netflix movie that a lot of you guys were touting that I thought was pretty damn good. I saw that today. It was the one about the guys in England that go hiking. Their friend died.

The ritual. That's it. I thought the monster was really badass. Yeah, it was nothing I've ever seen before. Definitely creative. Very cool monster design, but no, my cool of the week, I just finished watching episode two right now. I'm rewatching going through all of season one of American gods again. Oh, cool.

And catching a lot of little hints that they put in there that I didn't really catch the first time because I didn't really know. Even though I read the book, I didn't know exactly everything that was coming. So it is pretty cool the way they dropped the hints in there. It's very well-made show. AJ's really getting into it too, so that means a lot as much as she hates most of the stuff we love. That's a good sign. So that's cool of the week. Kind of a rehash for me.

Brian, got any news, man? Black Panther had a very, very nice opening weekend. Oh, yeah. $235 million plus domestic, 400 plus worldwide. Wow. Just saw today. It's probably going to be domestic this week, second weekend, over $100 million. Okay.

Probably going to be number one again, I'm guessing. Yeah. Definitely a fun movie. Not a lot of people. A little different. Yeah, not a lot of people at the movie we're talking about in my theater. No, me neither. Yeah.

Well, I went early this morning, and there were quite a few people there. I was kind of surprised for the kind of movie it is, but we'll get into that later. There were more people than I expected, for sure. Yeah. Let's see. Stephen King's having another thing adapted this time to TV, and that is The Bone Church. You familiar with this one, Lance? The Bone Church?

Yeah. It doesn't even ring a bell. It might be, I think it's a poem or something he read, or not read, wrote. Okay. So, and this is being developed by David Ayer and his company Cedar Park Entertainment. Interesting. So does it get Will Smith, isn't it? Well, he has good friends.

He can get Will Smith. He can get, what's the Punisher? Oh. John Bernthal. He can get him. That'd be great. Can't go out there. Yeah.

So, when I hear more, you know, Will, talk about it, but so far, that's the only news on that, that it's being developed by his company. All right. Something we talked about previously that I thought was done and not happening was the Dark Tower TV series. Okay. Amazon snatched up the rights to it, so it's going to be on Amazon, Amazon Prime. Are they going to reboot everything? Are they using the same actors?

The last thing I heard, it was still a go with Idris. But I think with the reception the movie got, they just reboot the whole thing. I hope so. I mean, I'm not opposed... It could work as an Amazon thing. Right. I'm not opposed to him being in it, just hopefully a little better written than the last movie. Yeah.

Yeah, I just think it would be better because Dark Tower was essentially like after the books, right? You mean the movie? Yeah, the movie, yeah. I don't know, man. The jury's still out on that. I mean, what it really did was it just like, in my opinion, having read all the books, it kind of just cut and pasted elements from all the different books instead of, you know, trying to slow down and tell one story or something like that.

It just picked like little snippets out of several books. Yeah. And cut out pretty much all my favorite characters. And basically just shit all over it in my mind. I would like to see a TV series. I would like them to keep Idris, recast the Man in Black, and just kind of start from the beginning, you know. Anybody else, right? Tell us anything that happened in the beginning, you know.

Yeah, true. But, you know, we'll see. There's more developed. Another thing we talked about as far as TV, the Blair Witch Project, it's found its home. Getsgate has started a new kind of off-shoot studio called Studio L, and I believe that's going to be one of their first projects.

Interesting. So, no word on how the format of the show is going to be, so I'm hoping for maybe an anthology series, or maybe something like that. I don't know about a continuous story of somebody being lost in the woods

for a whole season. Well, I'm digging the horror TV shows that have come out lately. I mean, you talk about like American Horror Story and the Exorcist and stuff like that. So, hopefully they can fall in line and

create something decent and worth watching. Yeah, something we didn't talk about last. Who's the showrunner for American Horror Story? Oh, isn't it, Falchuk? The two that have done all the shows together, Murphy

and Falchuk, right? Yeah, Murphy, yeah. He just he just got to deal with Netflix. He's going to be doing a TV shows for them, or yeah, series for them on Netflix. Really? Yeah. Makes sense.

He can really let loose there, you know? Yeah. And our final things, we'll kind of segue to Netflix here. Mads Mikkelson is going to star in a Netflix John Wick-style action movie called Polar. Oh, wow. Okay.

We'll all be watching it. Yeah, I like Mads Mikkelson. Me too. I'm putting him in a John Wick-style action movie, and it's going to be on Netflix. I'm down for it. Yeah, my thoughts, exactly. He took the words out of my mouth. And on that note, I believe, yep, that is all the news.

All right, that's the news. So that means it's, boys, time to take our trip down to the trailer park. First one we're going to talk about is a new series coming to Am. MC called The Terror, starring Jared Harris, Saran Hines, and Tobias Menzies. I believe I pronounce those names, right? Close enough. Yeah. What did you guys think of this trailer?

I've been looking forward to this one ever since I heard about it. I thought it was kind of interesting at the beginning when it says, based on the true story, because isn't it supposed to be supernatural? Yeah, the synopsis here is the crew of a Royal Navy expedition searching for the Arctic in the Arctic treacherous northwest passage discovers instead a monstrous predator. And I thought, I didn't take it was anything that that would be based off of a true story. A true story. Yeah, I mean, neither. I mean, I didn't. I was expecting the thing a little bit. I know, yeah. Yeah, I thought it was some sort of creature, like grabbing people. I thought it was Cloverfield

It could be Cloverfield 6 I know No I think it looks good though Very very thing kind of vibe to it I'm hoping it's a monster And not just you know A rabid polar bear or some shit

Yeah Now that you mention that I think if I see any signs of it being a bear or something, I might tap out. Yeah. Well, the true story thing scares me a little. That bothers me too, man. That worries me a little bit.

When I first read about it. Sea monster or something? Yeah, exactly. When I first read about it, it read exactly the description to me read exactly like, you know, the thing like in the 1800s. Okay. And then I can get into. Me too.

Let's see. Release date, March 26. on AMC. Yeah, definitely going to check it out. Some great actors in there, for sure. Yes, definitely. And our final trailer, we're going to review. This one is a weird one, but I find it very interesting. Involution, starring Dennis Turley, Ryan Mason, and others.

Directed by Pavel. Cavalty. Pavel Chekhov? What? If it was that. I could pronounce that name. Right. What did you guys think of this one?

This one was a little crazy here. No idea what to think about this one. Yeah, I don't either. It didn't make any sense at all. I figured that, so I pulled up the synopsis. Okay. A future that's reality is far, is a far cry from the one we live in today. The earth has been sent out of control,

affected by a cruel and inhuman mechanism that turns back. Darwin's theory of evolution. What? What does that even mean? No shit. That could be good if it's done well. He was turning it into like a monster or something. I don't know.

They got to give you something to go on and they didn't give you much here. Well, judging by the release date and this was kind of more of a teaser, it was probably a little over a minute. I think we'll get a bigger trailer whenever they release one because this is not coming out until next year. Oh, well. 2019? Yep.

Oh, shit. Okay. Why are we getting it already, man? That's crazy. You know, they like to throw a little... It's going to be really good. I hope so. I mean, it looks strange enough to catch my interest.

Uh-huh. Especially just look like, I don't know, the main character, the little skinny dudes, just kind of going bat shit crazy. And then you got all these other... I don't know what's going on with the one guy walking around with the bloody hands and another guy that's

running around with rope tying people up. I don't know. It caught my interest. I mean, if they're advertising it, you know, more than a year out for a horror movie, they've either got way too much money on their hands or it's going to be

pretty kick-ass. I'm hoping for kick-ass. So again, release date in 2019. Okay. And that is our last trailer. Interesting. Philip, it's time for feedback then, right?

Do we got any? Yeah, we got Steve Carlton. He says he'd recommend The Void. It said great old school practical effects. Yep. Okay. I'm in the minority on that one. Almost everybody loves that movie, and I'm kind of like the one hater on that one.

Yeah, I'm kind of with you. Brian You said Super Dark Times on Netflix And Tragedy Girls on Hulu Are also pretty good Yeah Have you guys seen Super Dark Times?

No, still haven't seen it It's in the game now Yeah, it makes you think About who your kids Hanging out with That's what scares me the most Because I know my kids are At least I think they're

You know, pretty well adjusted No right from wrong But you know You can't control who they hang out out with sometimes. Right, right. And there are some fucking horrible kids in this movie.

Oh, man. Yeah, see, it was either going to be that today or the ritual, and I picked the ritual. Oh, I got to watch both of them. So I think it's next on my list, for sure. Patrick Lear, well, I guess we don't really have to read, but Patrick Lear says. You going to move on to the next one?

He says, the last Jedi was pretty horrifying because, you know, what would it be without a Star Wars dig? That's right. Ryan Steven says it's not our fault that some people have shitty taste in Star Wars films, Brian. Yeah.

Oh, no. I'm in the majority of people that like Star Wars. Right? Especially Last Jedi, so to each his own. Let's see. Regarding the new death wish, Eddie Ramirez says, I could not give less of a fuck about this week.

I hope I'm proven wrong. You know, it looked pretty cool. Have you guys seen Eli Roth did like a grind house style trailer for the movie? No, I didn't see that. I saw the poster for it. Yeah, I kind of want the whole movie to be like that. It looked like it would be super fun. Maybe they're refulming it all, man.

Based on the shitty feedback it's been getting. Yeah, I hope so. Or at least maybe like a bonus. like blue ray edition or something i don't know right i'm a little bit excited about this one i i love bruce phillis and i think that they could not have casted any better uh hopefully elia roth does something worth the shit mm-hmm yeah it's possible he has before you know yeah i think he's probably let us down more often than not lately though yeah it is uh coming out next weekend oh be excited but is it really

I believe so. It saw that and that new Jennifer Lawrence movie. I kind of want to check that one out too. Yeah. I'd much rather see that one, quite frankly. AKA the Black Widow movie. Yeah.

Is that... That's what it seems like it should be. Yeah, it does seem like that. Oh, they liberally sold the storyline from Marvel Comics, huh? Oh, there you go. Oh, I get it. Black Widow, Red Sparrow? Okay.

Well, no, yeah, it's basically Black Widow's storyline, and they pretty much ripped it off. But she looks super sexy in it, so I can't wait. I still want to see it, that's for sure. Let's see. Samantha Bean gave us a hell review about Hell House LLC on Amazon Prime. Oh, as long as it's not Hellraiser judgment, Samantha. She says to preface, I actually love found footage films, even though they scare the bejeebies out of me. However, some of them can be super cheesy and not at all well done.

I'm happy to report this movie is one of the very best we have ever seen. Truly, right off the bat, I will tell you, it terrified me. But in a non-satist kind of way, it's a slow burn that literally leads you down a dark hallway and snatches you. It's a unique premise, not the usual ghost hunters go missing story that you so often see. The actors are unknown, but they are excellent in their roles. The dialogue is so believable. We often forget we were watching a movie. Wow.

It's hard not to think that we are watching 100% real found footage. We found ourselves feeling like we were viewing a bunch of folks we could have easily known as friends. The story revolves around a group of friends who run a Halloween house-type production company, aka Hell Health LLC, that is based out of New York City. They scout out new locations months in advance to transform a building into a haunted house

that they run throughout the month of October. The film flips back and forth between present-day interviews and the found footage. The footage from the crew takes up the bulk of the movie so you get to see how the events unfold, starting with them finding the abandoned hotel, the Abadden. Wow, this is a long rear.

Let's see. Because they are creating a spooky house with this hotel, they're obviously setting up a ton of props, including a slew horrific dummies and grotesque-slash-creepy mannequins. I will warn you, there are several chilling clowns. I don't know. I'll make my son watch this now. Yeah, I'm all in.

I'm into it. She even put a little shiver in there. I feel you. Clowns are creepy. This adds an element of real terror for me because everywhere in this place is scary, but because it is their job, it's a walk in the park.

Did I mention they sleep in the hotel for months leading up to the opening night? Yeah. In the words of Jim, F that. This movie doesn't need to, use the expected jump scares because it creates a genuinely creepy atmosphere and maintains it throughout.

The filming is mostly firsthand so it won't be steady all the time but it won't make you sick like some foundish footage movies. The only con, if you want to call it that, is that we were told from another horror film horror film friend

that the ending was kind of unnecessary but not enough to take away from the brilliance of the flick. I agree that it could have ended 15 minutes but nothing has lost the way the movie concluded. I'm kind of hoping for a sequel to be honest. Bottom line, if you enjoy found footage or even documentary type scary movies, we think you'll enjoy this one.

Just watch it during the day. Nice review. No kidding. Yeah, I had spoke to her. I invited her to come on the show. I kind of had an idea like one of them weeks where we don't have anything. Right. Because get her perspective of someone that is not into horror.

It just now started watching it. Oh, that's kind of a fun. Yeah, that's good idea. Yeah, and she said she's totally down to do it. All right. That was a hell of a review. She just sent us for that one, Hellhouse, LLC. And that movie is on Amazon Prime.

I might have to check that one out. Definitely check that one out. That's it. Thanks to everyone. Hey, there is one last, last minute thing that just showed up on the group that I wanted to bring up real quick if we got if we got time looks like we're running kind of fast this this week which is good so we'll have have actually try to keep it to the hour to an hour and hour and 15 minutes we're trying to shoot for instead of the two and a half hours we did last week but um patrick lear put up a

link to a trailer he i know he went to see um he went to see uh annihilation today too it sounded like he got the same trailer I did. You got seen this one yet? The new long trailer for Hereditary. Oh, they got a new trailer for the movie? Yeah, and it looks fucking amazing, dude. It looks out of this world. Do you know what was added from the original?

I'm not sure, but it was a good long trailer, man. It was really creepy looking. Like, with the little dollhouses, I guess she makes doll houses or something like that and puts people in it. That music is really creepy. I didn't see that one at all. Yeah, this is one.

I hope we covered this one, Brian. I'm definitely over to it. It's on the list for them to throw in, throw in the trailer that this generation's exorcist. I did see that, yeah. I got to see it. That's strong words, man. We'll see.

Ryan Stevens already put on here. He said, Tony Colette in a horror film, this is interesting. So we'll see how it goes. I'm looking forward to this one. That's an awesome one. I wish I'd have seen it. Yeah.

I do remember seeing it the old, the, I remember seeing it when we first watched it. Yeah, that one was more of like a teaser, wasn't it? Yeah. This one comes out in June. June, okay, cool. Summer, summer horror movie. Yep. Well, I guess that's it for feedback, yeah?

Sounds like it. Well, thanks to everybody who reaches out. to us. We love a feedback. As always, you can reach us at our Facebook or Podbean page. Or check us out on social media. We've got the Facebook Horror Returns group. Leave a review for us on iTunes.

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And this week, we see the brand new movie, Annihilation. Pray that we finally get a good movie this year. And we'll also check out 2007's Sunshine. Sunshine was directed by Danny Boyle, also known for 28 days later in train spotting. Writer Alex Garland, he's also known for X Machina, as well as another movie we're going to talk. about tonight, Annihilation. Danny Boyle found working on a sci-fi project

so exhausting, he vowed that he would never work on one again, ever. The actors all had to live together for several weeks in order to create a palpable feeling on screen that they all knew each other.

Killian Murphy worked with leading physicist Brian Cox to learn all about advanced physics. Now, this included touring the CERN facility in Switzerland, and he also learned to copy physicist mannerisms. Murphy ended up copying some of Cox's personal idiosyncrasies

such as his frequent hand movement. So that's what you call method acting there. Yeah. Brian, you're the one who suggested that we cover this movie. I've got a feeling it's near and dear to your heart. I don't know about that. it was very hard to find something that was going to pair up with annihilation. But I did.

Yeah, it worked. I did remember that Alex Garland had wrote this movie, and so that's why I chose it. And on top of that, it has a phenomenal cast. Yes. And I remember being kind of just, it's very science fictiony, very like, to the point where I, you know, I've watched this movie a few times trying to just grasp what they were doing. And it's pretty fucking crazy. Just the whole mission that they're on trying to ignite it.

What was it a dead star? Because the planet, our planet Earth is dying. And the fact that they've, this is kind of a do or die mission that they've basically used up Earth's last resources to make these bombs. And I thought that was a very different aspect. The only thing I did not like was I don't necessarily know if I like the killer main kind of adversary to the movie. Yeah, they kind of lost me at that, man. If they left all that out and it just stuck to this, because it's so like, you get so into the movie because, you know, anything can go wrong at any point, you know, and then you, you know, you got different. personalities in this spaceship.

Like you got Chris Evans, Captain America, you know, he's in this movie. Right. And he's kind of like, you know, everybody, everybody's wanting to do this. And he's like, no, because if it's going to go, if it's going to go any direction from what the mission is, that's what we're going to do.

Captain America had the only, like, every time he said something, I'm like, yeah, no shit. What the hell of the rest of you knuckleheads thinking? Yeah, you know, everybody's trying to, you know, trying to break down, you know, the science of everything and every little bit. And he's like, look, we got to, we got to complete his mission. Our people are going to die. So that's what we're going to do.

There's not a moral question here. Right. And, but I just was kind of taken out by the guy, I guess, the survivor. Yeah, I love Mark Strong. What was he supposed to be like, doctor? He turned into like Dr. Manhattan or what? I mean, I didn't see. I didn't understand.

And he was super strong. And apparently, I don't know, maybe you guys can help me because I've seen this part. He'd been living in the sun for four years, though. I assume that has, I imagine that gives him some kind of power. Yeah,

he just kept saying how he's seen God. Right. And all this. And apparently he's just able to survive the, extreme sunlight and heat and he's super strong that he could pick people up with one arm and throw them. I was like,

I just could have done without all of that and just stuck to the because you were already invested in a movie, especially with, you know, you got the one guy that kind of fucked up the whole rerouting of everything which cost people their lives and he was suicidal. You know, I was into all of that.

Right. And then you got this guy that looked like, you know, maybe he should have been in a new Hellraiser movie or something. I don't know. He just kind of threw me off. But other than that, you know, I thought it was a great science fiction movie.

Excellent cast. You know, Michelle Yao's in it. I love Michelle Yao. I kind of wanted her to, like, kick ass in this movie more than she did. Captain Georgio from the new Star Trek series. Yes. But, yeah, I enjoyed it.

Yeah, so you noticed Benedict Wong. was in both this movie and annihilation. Yes. I wasn't expected to see that. A little bit thinner in this movie. A little bit thinner. You know what's cool, though, about the talent in this movie is that when it was made in 2007, they really weren't all superstars like they are now.

No, they weren't. And Rose, I barely even recognized her. She looked so young. Yes. I'm worried how she does now, you know? Yeah, and I do not know how to pronounce his name, but the Japanese, the guy that was the ship's captain. Yeah, he's been in a lot of movies.

Oh, yeah. He's, I've seen him in a lot. I think he's been in a couple of TV shows, hasn't he? Philip, wasn't there something we watched that he was, that he was in, the star? I'm not sure. Definitely, I mean, he has that action star look to him big time. But I've seen him in, some TV show, it'll come to me, but yeah, he shows up in a lot of different movies. Oh, he was, he's going to be in Westworld, the season two. Okay. All right.

And he wasn't lost, if anybody's seen him last. Ah, that's what it was. Oh, okay. Yes, yes, yes. That's what I remember him from. Jack Falvey will kill me for not remembering his favorite show lost. Speaking of which, guys, there's going to be kind of, there's going to be a lost get together at the comic poloosa, Philip. Oh.

Yeah. Definitely smelling some sound bites to ask for here. All right, yeah, we'll go check them out. See how lost they get? Yep. Maybe Jack will fly down for that one, huh? Probably not. Probably not.

This one was awesome, though, man. It did have a hell of a cast. That was, I'd never even heard of this movie. Oh, you hadn't heard of Sunshine before? No, y'all told me we were doing Sunshine. I was like, like, Eternal sunshine of the spotless

Sunshine what? And, oh, it was really kick ass Chris Evans in another unheard of movie and,

yeah, he was the voice of reason and the whole goddamn thing. It reminded me a little bit of that, God damn it, what is the name of that movie

where they fly out to the event horizon, very event horizon. Very event horizon. Yeah. Especially with the guy, the villain, and the way they shot it,

the way everything was kind of blurry. We got to keep going back to the bad special effects too, wasn't it, Brian? Yeah, I just, I don't know. But in this one, I don't think there were a whole lot of bad special effects in this one. I was pretty okay with it. When the guy started, when they got,

the film went all blurry, when the super Dr. Manhattan guy would show up for some reason from Ickers one. But they didn't send like cheeseball CGI at you. Do what, Philip? They didn't send cheeseball CGI at you. True, true.

But I'm with Brian. If they had left that character out of this movie altogether and, you know, they had just shown up and everybody was like already dead on that one and it was just a race to try to get the payload to the star, I think I would have enjoyed it more. I wanted to love this movie. And the first 30 to 45 minutes I did love and then it got lost. lost me. Yeah, because there was enough here to that, like I said, that kept you in, like that

whole scene with, uh, uh, Sillion Murphy, Killian, Merritt, whatever you say his name and the, the captain when they were out fixing, uh, I don't know what they were fixing, but whatever they're fixing outside and they solar panel or whatever. Yeah. And the, they had, they had only so much time before the sun was coming. Oh, yeah. You know, that was very, that was very, that was very tense and yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, I actually didn't. even mind the little horror aspect at the end of it. I thought it was, yeah, maybe a little hastily done.

And some of that is, I get that that's where they lost people because it just took a weird turn in the movie. But it did keep me interested, and I like that it got, it went from horror to getting kind of artsy and metaphorical at the end, I think.

Yes. I was super impressed from a movie that I have never heard of before. I think they over did it with the dust a little bit. Like they kept making the references to, hey, we're all made from stardust. And dust is 80% of dust is human skin, you know. And I don't know.

I think they went overboard. I don't know if there would have been that much dust on the ship. Truthfully, you guys think? That was a little hard pitch for me. I was confused since the crew burnt up in the observation room. Mm-hmm. I didn't know where all that skin dust came from. They were loaded up.

Yeah, you think more just ashes, right? And I don't, what was the purpose of the observation room? They just stared at the sun? To give the freaking psychiatrist on board who has some sort of weird obsession with the sun and gets all burned by it to give you. Yeah, I did. I didn't get that. Of all people? Especially when the captain was about to get burnt up.

He just kept asking me. He's like, what do you see? What do you see? I'm just like, you know, let's have a little compassion here. This guy couldn't even pass a psychiatric evaluation. Let's get one to somebody else. Well, I mean, they were trying to make the point that Earth had been without major sunlight for decades or whatever, you know? And the sun was burning out, and so that made it super valuable.

Although it seems to me, I'm no physicist, but it seems to me if that was the case, wouldn't the entire Earth be covered with, like, ice? like from pole to pole pretty much well it was at the end was it okay yeah they showed a scene and it was all snowy and cloudy and just looked shitty outside

until until uh yeah the sunshine finally kind of hit it looked like home yeah there you go Alaska

yeah yep like I said a great a great first first act and then when you know, things went off the rail

a little bit there for me toward the end and you know, it lost a little bit with me, but you know, I guess if it's a good movie, I can understand why you've seen it a few times, Brian. It's definitely a good one for a rewatch or two because there's

obviously I had seen it once before years ago, but there's, needless to say a lot that I picked up this time that I didn't the last time. But do you guys think like when they all had to get jettisoned out from the one ship to the other, and there was only a

suit for one guy and the other two just kind of had to wrap themselves in the insulation. I mean, do you guys honestly think that would work? Is that... I mean, I guess we're not... Probably not. Yeah, I was going to say that.

I'm no scientist, but... But... I'm just glad that... If they'd have listened to Captain American first fucking place, they wouldn't be in the situation. Yeah, I'm just glad if anybody he had to die in that situation. It was the one

the one guy that assumed command. Yeah. Yeah. That guy was, I don't even know what his job on the mission was, but if anybody had to go. Yeah. Fuck that guy.

Mm-hmm. All right. You guys ready for scores? Yeah. Upon rewatching, I probably originally would have given an eight, but like I said,

I was just taken out by, what did you call him, Dr. Manhattan? Sure. Yeah. The guy from Event Horizon. Super Super. Yeah. Exactly. If they would have left him out, I would have gave this a solid eight, but I'm going to,

I got to take a little off for that. So I'm going to give it a seven, seven and a half. I'll give it seven and a half. It's a great science fiction movie, great cast. And there's a lot of suspense in here that that'll keep you, keep you in. It does seem a little long. because it's a little over two hours, but I think there's enough here that will keep you invested in the movie.

Yeah, it's kind of an interesting idea. You know, I do like, and you guys were telling me, obviously they did get some of the science right, if they were showing the world, you know, frozen over there at the end. I don't know, it kind of, like I said, it started out the first third of the movie was, you know, I would have given it an incredibly high score

if it had kept that pace for me. You get to see a lot of actors that I'm sure that this role or this movie made a lot of these people pretty big names because you've noticed that most of these actors are really big in genre stuff, like a lot of sci-fi and horror specifically. So I've got a feeling that this kind of helped, you know, helped propel them a little bit in that direction. I think it's a very well-respected movie. I know that it's got a pretty big cult following. And I know it's a lot of people who like Danny Boyle, like I can. can kind of take him or leave him. Like half the stuff he does I love and half the stuff he does, I'm kind of meh about. But yeah, when they brought the guy from Icress 1, it definitely

lowered my score a little bit. You know, I didn't totally hate it. I definitely liked it more than I didn't like it. And I would probably even rewatch it to try to catch some more stuff in it. But because of old Dr. Manhattan there, it's hard for me to go over a six. which isn't bad which isn't bad man I this is my first watch of it

I really enjoyed it it was definitely an abrupt turn when they went towards the whole horror route right but I actually really like that part of it

was the bad guy a little disappointing yeah maybe they could have done something cooler with that some sort of you know alien thing or something

but I like what they did with it. Cloverfield. Yeah, exactly. I like the ending of it. This was definitely a better science fiction movie than that Cloverfield one. Okay, yeah. I agree. And better than Event Horizon, I would say.

And yeah, I really am a lover of Event Horizon, and for that reason alone, I really love this movie, because it is better than Event Horizon. It's not quite as horror, but definitely the sci-fi part of it is a little more sound. No, that makes perfect sense. I'm going to give it, I'm going to give it an eight and a half. I really liked it.

I enjoyed myself during this movie. Cool. Yeah, I'm glad you did, man. All right, so if you liked that, it sounds like we all recommend it. Definitely. But even I gave it the lowest score, I said I'm ready to rewatch.

All right, we'll move on to the big new movie this week, which is not going to overpass Black Panther. I'm certain of that. I imagine not. Might not even pass Game Night. Well, I'm sure it will. But should it? Director, Alex Garland,

whose only other directing credit is for Ex Machina. What did you guys think of Ex Machina? Loved it. Oh, yeah, I loved it. Yeah, me too. Especially the ending. Very sinister. ending.

Kind of similar to the Westworld season one ending a little bit too, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Didn't even really think about that. Yeah. Or at least Thandey Newton's part. Writer, Alex Garland.

Oh, get this, guys. Francis McDormand. You were talking about three billboards, Philip. She was actually considered for a role in the movie before Jennifer Jason Lee was cast. You think she would have been better, are the same. I think that would have been

excellent casting right there. I do. Yeah. I got to agree with you on that one. I think that... Yeah, we'll get to it. Okay, well, here's two others that were considered for that role.

Julianne Moore. Yeah. And Tilda Swinton. I like her, but... Mm-hmm. Not for this movie. Maybe not for that role, huh? Yeah.

Yeah. I like the three billboards chick. I think that that would have been great casting. Yeah, especially, I mean, we'll get into it, but for that role specifically, yes, I would have liked her in that. Well, this movie is bad. I'm sure there's two more to come unless it just totally bombs, because it's actually based on the first book in the Southern Reach trilogy. Director and writer Alex Garland decided not to

reread the Annihation book right before doing this instead deciding to adapt it quote like a dream of the book so I guess he wanted to make sure he kind of did his own version but yeah I might piss people off yeah I

haven't read the books I think I might have heard about them before but I'm kind of interested now I think that this movie might adapt better in a book in a written format than a film format, but I guess that's, you know, to be, to be discussed as we go through this thing. But I saw the movie today. Philip, when did you watch it? I watched it Friday morning.

Okay, so you've had a little time to digest it, I guess? Yeah. Well, what are you, what, what did it, what feeling did it leave you with when you left the theater? And has that changed any? I think the feeling that it left me with was awesome. I loved this movie. Yeah, I thought every part of it was just incredible. I was really excited about finally seeing a good movie.

I had no idea what to expect on this one. I haven't read the book or anything. I just knew, you know, Natalie Portman, it had a little bit of hype behind it. it and man it just it impressed the fuck out of me it was like a bad acid trip a bad one or a good one or well

mostly pretty bad and crazy man this was this was a weird fucking movie but it was like science fiction alien encounter I think at its best yeah this is yeah this is gonna be on my top

10 list guaranteed wow yeah damn man good good thing we picked you to go first huh yeah imagine y'all are bringing it down a little bit I don't know Brian what are your overall thoughts man um Philip I'm right there with you I was wondering if we were gonna

when were we gonna see a good movie in the theater but I mean besides Black Panther but you know for what we for what we talk about in this show and I absolutely love this movie I love the cast except for one person who we kind of just talked about. Jennifer Jason Lee just kind of didn't. I don't know what she was. I don't know what she was. I don't know what the motivation was,

the way she was trying to have the character. Yeah. It just was kind of blah. She was just kind of too much of a bitch through the whole movie. Yeah. And just, I mean, we'll talk about it later.

I mean, there was something brought up that I'm like, okay, maybe, you know, if that was kind of explored more, I kind of see how she's playing the character, but it really wasn't. and but besides the I love the cast

this is probably except for the professional this is probably the best thing I've seen Natalie Portman in I'm not I'm not a big fan of her More than the Star Horse movies Come on You know what and somebody

I like those Stephen Loblad I see Stephen Lobelette He commented Padmay on her posting But I'm not I'm not a big fan of her but I love her in this. Yeah.

Tessa Thompson, you know, I'm a huge fan of hers. She's great. You know, Gina Rodriguez, everybody. Oscar. Jane, the Virgin, right? Yeah, Oscar Isaac, he can, you know, maybe he should be casted as playing like a, like a serial killer or something.

He kind of has like a creepy vibe. But, um, has he been nominated for any best actor award? He has, right? Like, probably for most. dangerous year or something like that? He's a great actor, man. He's got so much depth, you know?

Just pulled it up. He was Golden Globe for a most violent year, and I think he was nominated for Inside Lewin Davis. Could be. Could be. Yeah, he's... I like him. What an actor, man.

He has a lot of range, doesn't he? Mm-hmm. He could be as affable and cool and friendly as Poe Dameron or his... Sinister as the genius in Ex Machina. Yeah. Right. Anything in between, right? No more X-Men movies.

Well, that's right. But you could really tell that was him, from what I understand, right? You're talking about Apocalypse? Yeah, but if you knew it was him, then you just kind of like, I don't want you doing these roles no more. It's a paycheck, Brian. Come on. Yeah. But the visuals were amazing in this movie.

Yeah. It's very, very, I kind of wish I had some weed food. There was some trippy moments in this. And this is a movie, I think, upon rewatches, you'll get more out of it. Because there's something I caught in the movie. I don't know if you guys caught, but we'll talk about it later. Okay. But overall, I enjoyed this movie.

I did think it was a little, just a little bit long. Mm-hmm. Because there was a little too much talky-talkie at times without nothing happening. Right. Well, it was that kind of story. Yeah. I think maybe if it shaved like maybe 15, 20 minutes off. But then again, I don't know. Maybe everything would just seem, all the other stuff would have made it seem rushed. I don't know. Maybe it was. Maybe on a rewatch, because I do want to see this again. Maybe on a rewatch, I'll feel differently. But overall, I fucking loved it. I'm excited. We got to go see this and talk about it on here.

Yeah, it's a little, little bit different from, uh, this. the, what, Day of the Dead Blood? All right, let's sum up. Let's sum up the year in horror so far, right? Because you wouldn't really call this so much of a horror movie, but I mean, it had obviously some horror elements in it. Like when she was dragged into the cabin and stuff like that. There was some horrific things that happened in this movie.

Right. Sci-fi horror. Yeah. This was, to me, damn, gosh, I really, I really hate to say that. I mean, this is not as good as I didn't enjoy it as much as I was expecting to. You guys know this was my most anticipated movie going into the year. Yeah.

And I really, especially with the way it started out, I thought, okay, cool, this is going to be this year's arrival, which, of course, you guys know was my favorite movie from two years back. I think that it fell victim to, at least in my opinion, I think it fell victim a little bit too much. much to, like you said, the story just got dragged out quite a bit. It almost felt like they were trying to, like, squeeze an entire novel's worth of dialogue into a two-hour movie. And, you know, that would kind of take you out of the action sometimes. All the visuals were, you know, superb. I wish they could have explained things a little bit better, but I guess that's coming up in movie.

I'm assuming that's all coming up in movies two and three, where you kind of explain where this came from, because they don't tell you exactly. I mean, they pretty much give you an idea, but they don't tell you exactly. You know, it's like some other stuff. Like, it kind of reminds me of a certain Stephen King novel that I'd read. Like I said, there were parts of it that kind of reminded me

of different alien invasion movies and things like that. The backstory on it, I do know that when the author who wrote the books came up with this idea, he was like hiking through the wilderness. I think it was in Louisiana, which makes sense, because you can kind of tell that this is like southern part of the country because of the different animals and vegetation and stuff like that. But he said he was hiking and noticing how nature acted when there weren't human influences around it. and it's kind of like his idea was to write a book

of kind of nature taking itself back again you know kind of like Shy Mullen tried to do with that shitty movie with Marky Mark in it but kind of failed out so I get that idea and I think there's some great concepts in here

I just thought the execution was yeah a little too much as they would say on one of our other podcasts we listened to a little too talky talky Brian you know and you know I'm right there with you but I kind of maybe if Francis McDormick was in this movie because I just I'm thinking I'm trying to think back all the the parts where I felt they were dragging.

Yeah. And I really felt it was Jennifer Jason Lee. Yep. Every single part. Yeah. Yeah. I just there was, you know, we'll get into it. But I just, right.

I'm thinking if she was casted instead of her, then I think maybe it wouldn't have, there would have been more, I don't know, passion or more something. I kind of just felt like she was just in the movie, just saying her lines and then, okay, next scene. Right. She was super monotone the whole time. Sleepwalking through it, huh? Mm-hmm. I will say this, two things.

Number one, I'm going to say that I can almost assure you that this is going to, it's over time, it's going to become a cult classic, particularly if the other two movies, you know, tie in well with it as well. And I hope there's a sequel, because I didn't even include it news, because I, kind of didn't want to talk about it, but insidious, the one we just reviewed. Right. All-time highest grossing movie in the franchise. Oh, yeah. So, the last key?

That's not good. It's sad that you know there's going to be a sequel to that, but the possibility of a sequel for this is not sure. Right. And that's what pisses me off. Well, you know what, though? They almost have to do the other two books, I would think, in this. Maybe they should.

marketed to this different. I think it was a little more artsy than like a, than like a, you know, a maze runner or something that they're trying to make a trilogy out. Yeah, for sure. A little more artsy than maze runner. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying.

And those movies they can make trilogies out of all goddamn day. This one? This one kicked ass. Okay, look, there's so much more story to tell, though. Wouldn't you guys agree? Especially with, well, okay, we can't get into spoilers yet, really need to. Scores.

Yeah, Philip. I know you're going to rate it high, man. You said top 10 year probably, right? Yeah, dude. I'm going to do a, right now I'm going to do 9.5. Oh, wow. I don't, I don't think it's going to go down. It may eventually go up.

I really love this movie. Cool. I am going to, I'm almost there with you. I'm going to give it a 9. Wow. And I just talking about it with you guys, I just really think it was my hope. problem was Jennifer Jason Lee. Yeah. I'm just like, every time she was on screen talking, I was just kind of like, oh, gosh,

just let's get on with it already. And I can't really think of anything. I really had a problem with the movie. So, yeah, nine out of nine on ten. Yeah, it's one that I kind of wish I had seen it a couple of days ago and let it sink in more because my scores, it's not going to be fair no matter what. But when I left the theater, and I think a lot of it was because at the end, I felt like there's so much more story that needs to be told.

And I'm sure that over time, like I said, well, I said there were two things I kind of got off track. The first thing is, I think it is going to be a cult classic. The second thing is, this is a movie, not that we condone any of this kind of stuff, kids, but this is a movie that if you just happen

to have any marijuana, mushrooms, LSD, any of the above, just laying around. This wouldn't be the worst movie to watch under those conditions. Freak you the fuck out. Oh, for sure. And it gives you a lot to think about. It's definitely a deep movie. When I walked out of the theater, I would have given it a 7.5, just because, like I said, at the end, I was kind of nonplussed.

I expected more. But I'm already up to 8, for sure, just thinking about it and talking to you guys. about it and thinking about just how good the story is, you know, and how solid it is and how they really did tie everything together. And it all makes sense. There's nothing in it that it's not like the last movie we just talked about, where where the fuck, why did the fuck did this guy show up with the superpowers all of a sudden, you know? It's like everything in this happened for a reason,

and they give you a really good reason for why it happened. So, yeah, I'm eight and that may go up between now and the end of the year for sure. Nice. But we all highly recommend it, right guys? Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Definitely the best, the best horror-ish movie we've seen so far. Yep. So what's the deal with the spoilers, Philip? This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. So we're talking about the, what, what, what was the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that was, the, that was, the big skeleton face. That was screaming. That's crazy. That was fucking crazy. Yeah. Because, yeah.

They said, what did, how did they explain it? That as it was killing that one lady, her screams was the last thing. It, it, it, it, the shimmer. What did they call it? Yeah, the shimmer. Basically, it, it absorbs DNA. and then kind of recreates its own thing,

you know, and things could be like, you know, mixed together, you know, species and stuff like that. And for it to, that's what it took

from that lady as it killed, was her scream. That was pretty fucking crazy. Hey, Brian, so is this kind of a, kind of a callback to one of your favorite movies,

the thing? It kind of is because, um, there's something, I don't know if you guys noticed at the very end. Okay. How we know that, That's not the original Oscar Isaac that's in the hospital.

Yeah. Yeah, they make that pretty obvious. Yeah. Did you guys notice that I was going to call it Jane Foster, Shannon Thor. What is our name? Natalie Portman. She had that tattoo of an eight on her arm. Yeah, the infinity symbol.

Yeah. It was cells dividing. Yeah, no. What is the actress in the movie? Gina Rodriguez, the one that got her jaw knock. off by the pig bear thing. Uh-huh. Yeah, it was hurt to tattoo.

Yeah, it meshed her with their DNA. Oh, no shit? Yeah, because she didn't have that. She didn't have it before then. Yeah, Gina Roder, the one that got her jaw knocked off. Yes. She had the tattoo originally. Oh, that.

And then when she had tested her blood and found out that she had, you know, the shimmer or whatever was, like, absorbing her DNA in her blood. Yeah. Yeah. basically it was merging creating something new. That's why they were kind of like trying to figure out, you know, are we who we are? You know, are you you? You know, and he was just like, I don't know. Oh, yeah.

A lot of the thing in that, man. Yeah, it was, it was fucking crazy. Gina Rodriguez went all crazy and tied everybody up. Right? Yeah. She can tie me up anytime, guys. Absolutely. Right?

Yeah. And what was I going to say? Yeah, just... She is distracting. Yeah, definitely. And I just thought the merging of all these different, like the flowers, the different flowers growing from the same vine. I liked all that. And another thing I liked about the shimmer, how it would always, you would always see it, like, through the reflection of the sun.

You know, the sun coming through. And you would kind of see it at night, too, in the air, you know, in the background. You would see the little, the colors. you know, shimmering in the background. And I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, I really want to read these books now. Yeah, I kind of do. I want to read all three books before the next two movies come out.

Because there's just, that's the only thing that left me a little cold at the end of this, is there's just so much still to tell, especially when they showed her eyes there at the end. You caught it if you noticed that about the tattoo, Brian, so you already knew it was coming. but that kind of threw me off. I was like expecting to see it, but then when I did see it, I was kind of like, okay, now let's get ready for the next movie,

you know? Now what's the next phase in the evolution here, you know? Yeah, and I kind of didn't like the flashbacks that she was having. Yeah, but then I kind of, I kind of thought about it.

I think it was kind of telling you foreshadowing the movie. Yes. Because everything was kind of, you know, happening for a reason, and basically her actions were because that was pretty crazy. The reason why he volunteered for this mission is because he found out about her with the other guy.

Yeah. And, you know, this movie got really deep at times. Yeah. And then Jennifer Jason Lee would come in and just fucking ruin it with her monotone. Yeah, damn, they could have gotten somebody better, you know? Yeah. Now that she said, for instance, you're not. distracting, right?

Yeah, now that you said Francis McDormand, I'm just like, fuck. Right. She would have been a great, pissed off, angry bitch. Yep. I think almost anybody would have been better, though.

Yeah, and it, it did, Jennifer Jason Lee, but. And it, and it bums me out because I, I,

the last thing I know I've seen her in was, the hateful eight. And she was fucking great in that movie. Right. Yeah. And then, I haven't even seen,

speaking of the thing, right? Yes. And I haven't even seen that movie yet. And I've had it my Netflix queue for months. Oh, wait. Watch it. Yeah.

Yeah, definitely got to watch that. Oh, man. So she's good in that one, huh? Yeah. And she, and of course, my boy, Kurt Russell, smashing antique guitars that he didn't know he was smashing. Right. Yeah.

That was crazy that I read that because he was improvising during the scene and smashed the guitar. Oh, yeah. And then they told him, you just. smashed a $100,000 antique guitar. And he was just kind of like, oh, oh, well. Whoops. Yeah. Shouldn't have put in my hands, dumbass.

But yeah, I definitely want to see a sequel to this, just the way it ended. Right. But the only thing. I'm almost a little worried about the sequel. I mean, just because, well, I mean, I'm excited to see it. And I hope that it does well. and I hope this whole series does really well. I loved this as a standalone movie, man.

And I know that it's probably never going to get the credit that it probably deserves. Yeah, but for me, there's just so many questions, though. Oh, yeah, lots of questions. Fake Oscar Isaac. I thought when you found out he was fake Oscar Isaac, I thought he was dying because he wasn't in the shimmer. Right. I thought so, too. But when she destroyed the source of it and the shimmer went away, he got better.

right so i was kind of like and her DNA is apparently still all jacked yeah and you have that and is she just her having it in her DNA has she already infected other things yeah i'm sure yeah no doubt

especially you go ahead no i'm sure that's all going to come out in in the in the next two books yeah so definitely i mean i can understand philip what you're saying about it being a standalone. But for me, it just there's so many questions. And that's how much I really enjoyed this movie that I want more.

I like that there were questions throughout the whole movie. I love that like when you were talking about the flashbacks, I think that they fit those in there perfectly. Just to break up this whole new wonderment world so that it didn't turn

into like Avatar. And I think they did a hell of a job of it. I liked it. Kept it serious. Yeah. I mean, there's not really a whole lot that we need to talk about

because, I mean, they pretty much tied everything up with a boat, didn't they? I mean, there was nothing. I didn't get the feeling after watching this movie that there was anything in there that was far-fetched or phony. Yeah.

How did you guys? Very believable the way they tied everything together. How did you guys feel about the look of the kind of mannequin-looking alien that was changing into her. Oh, that was a trip, dude. Like the mirror image type thing there was mimicking her at the end? Yeah, and she was basically causing almost her own death, trying to attack it because it was mirroring her and almost crushed her against the door.

I thought that was pretty fucking crazy. Yeah. That was insane. I liked it. I liked that whole thing. I thought it was, I don't think the CGI that was there

although it could have it may well have been just a dude in a suit you know right I think that they did that good a job on it where it didn't take me

out of the movie at all and I thought it was that was kind of a cool metaphorical little scene maybe and I think that it was awesome afterwards when they were like okay well what does it want and she was like well I don't

I don't think it wants anything It's like, well, it was trying to destroy the world. And he was like, I was just changing it. Yeah. So there's no real motivation behind this. Sometimes you don't always get the answers that you want. True. And real quick, I think I don't know if I just was looking away or something.

What happened to Tessa Thompson? Did she just turn into a plant or something? Yeah. She went through and was being all spacey and, uh, basically that she didn't want to fight it or or face it. Yeah, I got that. She walked through her grass and just disappeared. Okay.

I assume turned into one of those little plant tree people. Yeah, that was crazy too. The plants, because it had the, our DNA and the frame of the plant was like a human frame, you know, with the arms and legs. That was crazy too. it's just like a whole new reality it's just like reshaping the the DNA into brand new life forms and stuff like that so it's kind of like you know kind of like the regular natural course of things but on steroids you know yeah so what do you guys think caused it was this an alien was it from within the earth was it was an alien invasion or what what are you guys theories on it um I don't know it didn't really seem like the alien itself was was very threatening. Right. So I just think it was, it just happened to land on Earth.

Mm-hmm. And, and it, you know, that's what it does. True. Change, you know. Asimilar. It's not, it's not, yeah, very, yeah, exactly. So I don't, I don't think it was an invasion. And I just think that's, it just happened to land on earth.

And it was doing what it was doing. and a meteor with some kind of organism and a part of its atmosphere that happens to just grow Right A little Guardians of the Galaxy too I was gonna I was gonna say

It was probably a lot better than Venom You think so? I don't know about that movie I know We'll see It's a lot better than a lot of movies for me this year, man. I'm telling you, it's definitely making the list.

Cool. Yeah, it's about time, huh? Mm-hmm. Yeah, the Stephen King novel that I'm talking about. Actually, they did make it into a movie. You guys may have seen it. The movie was terrible, though. Dream Catcher?

Oh, yeah. I kind of liked that movie. You did? Yeah. I mean, it's not great, but. I think I was just disappointed because I thought the book was so much better, but that made sense because that was it was kind of like a red mossy

spongy type thing that grew and like took everything over and it like became one with you and absorbed you so there's some bargain Freeman with his crazy eyebrows yeah right he was he was like the mad general or something wasn't he?

Yeah, military guy all right cool we guys got anything else you want to talk about on this one or are we ready to wrap it up until because next week's going to be a big week isn't it? Yeah, we got another year in horror. All right.

What year are we doing next week, Brian? 1976? Or 78? 76. 19 spirit of 76, man. America's bicentennial. It was a very good year. I think that was the year King Kong came out

because remember at the end of that one when they were showing the bicentennial thing with all the gasoline trucks around saying King Kong for America or something like that. So these are three good ones. I can't believe we haven't covered any of these yet. So we're going to be doing carry. Mm-hmm. And the town that dreaded sundown.

And what's the third one that we're going to do? Is it Little Evil? Is that right? I'll stay away from that one. Let's go with the Omen. The original Little Evil, huh? There you go. Yeah.

He got a little thrown off there, man. I guess it was... The Little Evil of Little Evils. I guess it was the Angus Young outfit that he was wearing or whatever. But... All right. Angus Young wears it an Oman outfit. How about that?

Oh, man. Philip, you want to take us out, man? Tell everybody where they can find us and all that good stuff? Uh, yeah. Check us out on our Podbean, iTunes. Uh, any of the social media, just search for the horror returned. We've got a horror returns group on Facebook. Check that out, join it if you like.

Reaches at thehorreturns at gmail.com. Let us know what's going on. Yeah, we've definitely loved to hear from you. We've got a lot of new listeners. So don't be shy, guys. Join the club and whatever you say may and probably will be red on the air. So, you know, say it with meaning. Say it like you mean it.

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