The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #97: The Descent (2005) & A Quiet Place (2018) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: December 15, 2022

This week we are joined by very special guest Actress Jenn Nangle, AKA Malvolia the Queen of Screams to discuss the brand new A Quiet Place and also The Descent. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Twitter: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 ESP Anchor Feed: https://anchor.fm/mac-nez E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

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been lucky enough to found the horror. Returns. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Phillip. And tonight, we've got a really, I mean, we always say we got a special guest, but this time it's a really special guest. Prolific horror actress Jen Nangle. Jen has appeared in numerous films. She has at least 15 writing credits, at least according to IMDB.

Of course, sometimes they leave stuff out. But Jen, we're really happy to have you here with us tonight. How's it going with you? And what have you got going on these days? I'm doing good. What a great introduction. I need to bring you to parties with me. That's how we wrote. I love it. Hi guys. Thank you for having me. Let's see. What do I got going on? I am in the midst of doing some fundraisers for two films. I just got cast in a feature film called Inverted, which will be filmed in June.

And it's my first lead in a feature film, in a future films, feature film horror films. So I'm really, really excited. And then next month I'm shooting a short film that I wrote. It's based on a true story, which it's going to be bloody good as well. And we're fundraising some money for that so I can feed everybody over a course of four days. And then, you know, yeah, right? I mean, it's very important. I don't want people like hating me or passing out or whatever.

And then just gearing up for attending Monster Palooza next weekend. Nice. Where's that? It's in Pasadena, Pasadena, California. And I don't know if you guys know, but I'm a horror hostess. And so I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to attend as Queen Malvolia or just as myself. I don't know yet. Queen Malvolia.

Either way is the winner. Oh, thank you. So yeah, that's what's been going on. I mean, you know, I've been talking a lot about irrational fear. A rational fear came out in December and, you know, that's been happening. But yeah, other than that, I've just been writing, auditioning, and just kind of chilling out, waiting for crazy things to happen. And they will.

So, hey, so irrational fear, where can people check that out right now? Is it on demand or what? Unfortunately, you can only buy it on Blu-ray or DVD through either slasherstudios.com or you can get it off of Amazon. It's not, they're still kind of, they're still kind of in this little weird phase where they're looking for distribution. It's also going to be in a couple of film festivals which haven't been announced yet. So I feel like it would be really inappropriate for me to announce it yet since the two. Oh, yeah.

Understood. Yeah. But like it will be in two horror con film festivals, if I can say that. But off the record, which ones would they be? All right. Off the record, it would be Days of the Dead. I can't tell you what city. Okay.

Hey, I try to get what I can. And, yeah, that was actually, like, my first, like, role, roll in a future film or a feature film. So it's been a crazy wild ride. It's been really fun. So we'll see what other people think about it and who digs it and stuff. Yeah. I'm excited. Well, thank you.

I'm going to go back. All right. Yeah. You won't be disappointed, no. Yeah, we're definitely glad you were able to join us. So our friend Garrett Collins, associated with binge media, is the guy that introduced me to you. So shout out to Garrett.

He's like the sweetest and most honorable, I guess, guy that I know of in the Los Angeles area. Wouldn't you agree? Super sweet guy. I totally would. He and I, I have to say, his podcast was in my top three. of most fun, listen to my English, but most fun podcasts I've been on. Like, we just, like, totally jammed and, and just, you know, worked off of one another, and it was great.

I mean, he shamed me a couple times because he didn't like some of my answers, but. He's just fucking with you, believe me. He's just fucking with you. That's awesome. But, yeah, it was cool. It was fun, yeah. All right, awesome. Well, I'll tell you what, we always start the show out with everybody, we kind of go around

the table and talk about what is the coolest thing you've either, you know, watched or read this week if you're into reading horror novels or whatever. Usually like 99% of the time, Jen, it's whatever you've seen that's cool this week. What, what's your cool of the week, Jen? What have I seen? I do that every week. Right? Okay. Thank you. Right. It's like you have like a thousand things in your head and then as soon as somebody's like, hey, what's that? You're like, uh, totally forgot what I was talking about. Um. In a lot of it. Evidently, Brian has seen like three dozen things, and he talks about all of them. So just...

It's slow a week. I only got a couple. That's week. He's being all modest right now. Well, besides the two movies that we're talking about tonight, I haven't really had too much time to watch anything. But I did... It was like last week I finished up seven seconds on Netflix, the series, seven seconds. Oh, yeah.

I've heard about that. Oh, yeah. I'd highly, highly, highly suggest it. Like, a friend of mine who's a great writer, a great actress, she always, always recommends the best stuff. And so I saw her post about it on Facebook and I was like, I'll probably watch like an episode or two, we'll see. And I was hooked.

It did get like a little slow like around episode eight, episode nine. But it's just, it's a fascinating story. and like they kind of, you know, start connecting different characters. So you're like, oh, this character is connected to this character. And oh, my God, this character is with this. Oh, my gosh, I see how this is all kind of forming. And then it all kind of, you know, blows up in the end. And it's really, it's really cool.

Really, really cool. I highly recommend it. Let's check that out. I'll go. I think, I don't know how cool it is. I'm caught up on the Walking Dead finally. It's, it's, it's, it's starting to roll into something neat. And I'm kind of excited for the last couple of episodes.

It sure is, dude. Do I dare ask what season you're on right now? Well, no, I mean, yeah, I'm caught up. It's season, what, eight? I think, I don't know. Yeah. Super caught up, okay. We're still watching it.

Good for you guys, because I gave up, like, I would say, three seasons ago. You're not alone. You're not alone. The comics are so much faster-paced. Yeah. I still love the show. I think it's one of the best things that I've seen,

especially starting from like the first season. Matter of fact, there was some feeling in one of the movies that we watched of a little bit of Walking Dead. So I thought that was cool. That and I am almost caught. up with Ash versus the Evil Dead, which is still as awesome as ever. It just doesn't let me down at all. Do you watch that, Jen? I do not. No. Have you seen the Evil Dead movies? I have. I've seen The Evil Dead. I just don't have, it's on Hulu, right? Or?

It might be. I know it's on Stars. I get it through other means, but I know it's available on Stars. Ah, okay, we'll have to talk later because unfortunately, I don't have stars, so that's why I don't see it. Okay. Yeah, it's worth to watch. 30 minutes an episode, you know, what's the harm, right? Exactly. We're only on season three.

So it's not, there's not a ton of stuff to watch. Plus, once you start watching, it's kind of hard to put it down. Oh, very cool. I will definitely, definitely check it out then. Well, that's it for me. Brian? Yeah, I checked out a couple things. Checked out Terrorfire.

Oh, how? Art the clown. I'm not familiar with Art the Clown. I know he's been in some shorts, I believe. I dug it. Very gory. The actor that plays Art the Clown,

David, what was it? David Howard Thornton. He's very, very creepy performance. I recommend it. The gore was there, and it was just all-around creepy movie.

So definitely recommend that one. And then finally got to check out Pye Wacket. trailer rebe reviewed a while ago um it's a it's a it's it's slow but it picks up it picks up near the end and it's definitely

one of those movies that it's don't don't mess around with occult stuff and rituals because you never know what's going to happen that I'll just leave it at that and I recommend it if you can handle the slow burn type of movies. It's definitely

a good watch. And, yeah, that's all I got this week. I didn't get my normal five, six, seven movies I watched. So, just got those two in. Both recommendations. Slackin. Yeah. All right. You guys know I'm reading the

Southern Reach trilogy. So I'm just finishing up with annihilation. And it's like the movie, but it's completely different, which is awesome. So it kind of starts off where everybody's on the expedition already, and it kind of goes back to the parts with Poe Dameron as a flashback, like flashbacks within the chapters. So it's pretty good. I'm not going to say that it's the best novel I've ever read, but it expands on the movie, but it's also kind of like going in a different direction, which is pretty cool.

But I've definitely got a not-so-cool of the week, guys. God help me. God fucking help me. You watched another Medea movie, didn't you? You hit the nail right on the head, dude. Oh, my God. What? You know what, Brian?

Fuck you asshole. What did I do? I saw a fucking Tyler Perry movie. And it's one of the worst fucking things I've ever seen in my life. acrimony. Have you heard of this, Jen? No. Oh, that one looked like it was going to be pretty good. It's absolutely terrible.

Really? What does it know? Well, Taraji P. Henson, she goes from being nominated for supporting actress for playing Benjamin Button's mother way back when. Do you remember that? Yeah. And she's got the recurring role on Empire

as Cookie. Oh, Cookie. Okay. I know her as Cookie. She's awesome on that show. This movie fucking sucked. I mean, this was horrible. Usually Tyler Perry, he has a good, uh, positive message to say at the end of his movies.

This was nothing but, uh, depression and, and despair from beginning to end. I cannot recommend this piece of shit movie. Horribly written, horribly acted, absolutely terrible. Stay away from it. Acrimony. That's my uncool of the week. All right, Brian. We got any headlines, baby?

and some more Lance some more Rob Zombie news yeah Pancha Moller yeah Poncho Moller Danny Trejo and Emilio Rivera are casted in

three from hell I'm all in yeah I'm down for that one I know some guys are not the biggest fan of Rob Zombies movies but I would know what Jen has to say about zombie Oh, okay.

That didn't sound like it's going to start well. I like his intentions. I like where he wants to go. I just don't really love his films. I mean, I do watch them. I always watch them. Most of the time, I don't understand them.

and then I watched the commentary, and I'm like, oh, okay, I got it now. Like, Lords of Salem, like, you could tell there was, like, a lot of stuff kind of off. And so when I watched it with the commentary, I was like, oh, got it. All right, on it.

Oh, I got to check out the commentary then. And 31, too. I learned so much stuff through the commentary of 31 than I did when I was watching the film. Yeah, I fucking love 31. Nobody, everybody's fucking with me. 31 sucks. I loved it. I thought it was a fun ride.

I, okay, it just felt like too much of the purge for me. And I had no idea that it was called. I do not like the purge. And I love the purge. So that's- We're going to be crossing swords here later. It'll be like, it'll be like being on Garrett's podcast. Yes. I love the purge. And so then I found out that 31 stands for October 30, first. That's why it's called. I had no idea that it was taking place on Halloween. Totally didn't get that. But I liked like the characters. You know, I liked a lot of the actors that were portraying these characters. But as far as the story goes, I was just kind of like,

meh. Fair enough. No, my favorite one from him. No, yeah, no. And I'm just, I get it. I get it that directors want to put their wives in their films because they love them and they think that they're amazing but not everybody thinks that they're amazing and sherry moon zombie girl i you know i root for you every time and it just it just never works out it just doesn't for me ever so understood i got you except for i can feel that except for the devil's rejects like i i liked her during devil's rejects. But, you know, everything else, I'm like, oh, God. So, um, those, those are my thoughts about Rob Zombie. I mean, he's a, he's a Boston boy, so I'm kind of biased. I, you know, love to support my Boston roots and stuff, but yeah, yeah. Well, I'm, I'm actually

hopeful for, for three from hell from the fact that she's playing baby, and I really like the character baby. Yeah, I agree with that. Especially in House of a Thousand Corpses, where she was seductive and started singing and everything and the Betty Boop thing and I love that. Bad shit crazy, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, of course. She does that well. Who doesn't want a chick that's bad shit crazy? Come on, man.

Yeah. I got wonder if she talks like that all the time. Boop, boop, boop, be-doop. That might get old. All right, what else? What else is going on, Brian? That's it. That's it? That's it.

You're going to take that trip down to the trailer park. Big news. What do you think, Phil? You ready, baby? We're going to the trailer park? I got my Jeep, man. I just need some new tires. We'll go mudden.

All right. So welcome to Texas, Jen. All right. Really quickly, the trailer we reviewed last week cargo. Yes. It is going to be, it's coming to Netflix, May 18th. Yeah, I heard about that. I can't wait, dude.

Oh, cool. Yeah. I'm forward to it. That sounds better. Have you heard about that one, Jen? I have not, so I'll definitely have to check it out. Yeah, it's like a zombie movie. I kind of got a 28 days later vibe.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, our first trailer we are going to review is Dead List, starring Matt Fowler, Victor, Matthew. Hold on, before you go for you. Can we just say, Brian, I hate to fuck with you, man, but, dude, I got to. enough fucking death note watching that fucking Japanese animation show that you made me watch from start to finish.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That was your idea to review that series. It was my idea, you motherfucker. What are you talking about, dude? I said we should watch the movie, not the show. Wait a minute. You said the movie and the show. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Was that on me? Yes, sir. Oh, shit. Brian said, I'm not taking responsibility to that. Yeah, just plead the fifth. Plead the fifth. All right. The phys.

The fifth coming up. Yeah, Deadless. That's my reaction to. Immediately when the trailer starts, you get that death note kind of scene with the book. But I think it's, hopefully it's nothing like the show. It looks like an anthology. That's what I was thinking. Yeah.

And I like a good anthology. Anthology. Apparently, Lance doesn't. No, I do like a good anthology. Well, we haven't seen this one yet. Well, I may not need to see this one. It's just a trailer. I will watch it. And if it's good, I will let you know. And if you make us watch it for the show, I may never forgive you.

I will throw a superhero movie in instead. Fuck you. Let's see. is the next trailer we're going to review. We recently, I think we did the, reviewed the teaser for it. This was the full red band trailer. And I'm down for it.

I like seeing chicks kick ass. So definitely going to check this one out. What did you guys think? Yeah. There's been a thousand movies called Revenge and a TV show. She's sexy as hell. And she looks like she could kick ass. and she has a reason to kick ass

so I'm down for the movie but I kind of wish they had had a more original title for sure yeah it took me a minute to remember which one this one was but yeah once they pushed her off the cliff and she comes back kicking ass and everything

man I'm down for this one it could go really right or really wrong but I'm leaning towards really right I like it and this one is going to be exclusive to shutter May 11th. Oh, why?

Because they bought the rights. That's all right. I think I think I've got a subscription to shutter. If you guys need to watch it, I just never canceled. Yeah, I think I have one still. It, shutters good for like exclusives and like

they got, they're starting to have like original stuff on there, so. They are, yeah. All right. Okay. Okay. Moving on to the next trailer is The Farm, starring, I'm going to butcher these names, I'm going to try my best. Nora Yessinen, Ken Volok, Kelly Miss, directed by Hans Sturge Ward. I believe I came close to some of those.

Fair enough. Thoughts on this one. It looks like a bunch of pissed off V. just started their own farm. Killed people instead of animals. Oh, my God. Jan, I'm sorry you missed this one. I will have to do my homework better, and I will check it out.

Very, uh, uh, what is that movie where they wear the masks? Ah, you're next. Damn it. You're next. Yeah, very your next vibe. Oh. With the farm animals. Yeah.

It's basically like people in farm animals. Yeah. Yeah, they're killing the humans instead of the humans killing the animals. Got you. Okay. All right. I bet you they are. Watch. I kind of enjoyed it. I kind of enjoyed the trailer. I'm looking forward to the movie. Watch what happens. They're pissed off vegans. I'm probably right. Yeah. No release date on this one. From what I understand, they're still waiting on distribution. So it's supposed to be due out this year.

Okay, moving on to the next one, which is one I'm super excited for, is Upgrade. Yes, this looks fucking badass. Okay. This is starring Tom Hardy Dopplginger, Logan Marshall Green. Oh, my God, he is. That's crazy, yes. Directed by Lee Wannell, which... I love song name.

Yes, yes. Although Insidious Four fucking sucks. but that's just my opinion. It's not, you're not the only one that shares that opinion. This trailer was badass. I'm totally all in. It looks super cool. They, like, made him Master Chief or something.

He's got, like, Cortana in the back of his head talking to him, and goes in there whooping some ass, man. It looks, yeah, it looks really fucking fun, man. Hel me pick this guy's ass. Yeah, right? He's got his very own built-in Alexa. That's badass, man. It looks awesome.

Yeah, it's violent. It's got comedy in there. I think this is going to be a sleeper hit this year. I hope so, man. It's the lead guy that was in the invitation. Oh, the invitation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay.

Did you guys see the invitation? Yeah, where they all showed up and they were giving them basically or not Kool-Aid, but like poison drinks to drink or anything like that. Yes. Yes, it's the lead guy from that. He's amazing, and he is a Tom Hardy look alike, for sure. It's like, I know that guy. Didn't I see him in?

Wait, yeah. Put him and Fat Damon in a movie. You're going to have a problem. Upgrade has a release date of June 1st. And we're going to talk about our final trailer, which is Lance's most anticipated movie. of the year. The first purge.

Fuck you. Why? Why not? There's no stakes, dude. We know what's going to happen. No matter how hard they fight against it, it's going to be going on years later. What's the point of this movie?

Because we don't know how it started. We know what's going to happen. How it started. Yay. Okay, cool. Whatever. Deeper into the universe, man. Yeah.

Jen, you love the purge. I know. For some reason. I mean, when Frank Grillo got into it, oh, my lordy, yes. He's kicking ass. Oh, God, it was so good. That is my only gripe with this,

is we're not going to have Frank Grillo. I just saw that, which is kind of sad. There's Mercutem. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. There's something about the purge that's, like, super raw

and kind of is like hopeful wow I never thought I hear that you know every once in a while you just really

want to kill somebody yes exactly I mean I do it in my movies so I don't know you know but make the world a better place

right exactly just eliminate the negativity that fucker on the sidelines at my little league game see had to be wearing a goddamn cowboy's hat too.

Could have been purging that out. Oh, I'd have purged him real quick. I was ready. And I'm a pretty chill guy. Yeah, you are, dude. I was over there at the Renaissance Festival trying to fight people, and you were like, chill out, chill out.

What the hell's the matter with you, man? I'm down for this one. Me too. Y'all have fun, boys. We will. Oh, you know, we're watching it. Yeah, you're going to make me watch it too. The first part is doing theaters

July 4th. Oh, Independence Day. Yeah, the last one came out on Independence Day, too. Oh, wow. Did it? Yeah, because it was the president one. Ah, the election, election or something. Lance didn't watch it. Oh, okay. Yeah, I can't believe they didn't have a guy in a huge orange tope or something, you know? Thank God they didn't.

That'll be the next one. It'll be over pretty quick, I'm pretty sure. The purge, the purge colon, ass blast. And on that, no, that is our last trailer. All right, Philip, we've got to have some feedback by now, but it, come on. Art says,

still can't believe that the bride of Frankenstein won March Madness. I can't because it deserves it. It's a great film. He said, my son was not pleased with that choice. I know. Patrick Lear says it's the second year in a row that the deadites

have gotten screwed in the finals. Yeah, but Deadites versus Darth Vader is a different story. Right, right. Gregorio Mirren, that xenomorph will soon be a future Disney princess. Oh. Come on, dude.

That's not going to happen. Could be. Disney owns a pound. Is Disney on the rights to Alien now? Fox? Oh, boy. Ouch. Let's see.

And we pose the question now that Ready Player 1 is in theaters. What was everyone's favorite Easter egg in the movie? Art Callie says, he man flash and spawn running into battle together very cool Mikey Troma Trash says two men need a name but fucking Chucky that was a good one

yeah that was my favorite part Jason Voorhees and Mecca Godzilla all right that's three good ones but all and all was great just wish they didn't change so much but one new thing I absolutely loved was the addition of the Overlook Hotel and that whole scene.

Ooh. It was cool. Have you seen that movie, Jen? I have not. I have not, unfortunately. I definitely want to see it, yeah. It's like a big old nostalgia punch to the face. Yeah, I read the book, and it's pretty much all 80s nostalgia, but there's a lot of build-up.

And people are pissed off because the movie wasn't just like the book, but if the movie had been just like the book, it would have been a snore fest, you know? Yeah, totally. Building up and learning 80s trivia and all this stuff. So, I don't know, I was super happy with the movie. I loved it. Yeah, I thought it was very cool. Go check out our episode on that, by the way. Adam Bunch says, I got some issues but had a fun ride.

Jason Morris says, Greatest American Hero. Oh, and some G.I. Joe in there, huh? I missed that. I didn't see the greatest American hero in there. Logan James says seeing the ninja turtles running into battle I mean they were Michael Bay turtles but turtles all the same all right that makes a difference

speaking of Michael Bay and Michael Bay I had no idea that this movie we saw today was a Platinum Doom's movie I totally did not either I was shocked that was a trip I was like what the hell I thought they they gave up when Jason started selling pot, you know?

That's the last Platinum Dunes movie I remember. Let's see. Kevin Ness says Christine. That was cool. Patrick Lear says Thy Holy Hand grenade was pretty awesome. That's a good point. Mine podcast on, right? Yeah, I got

to have that. Let's see, regarding the last Starfighter. Kevin Ness says not you, Brian, but the rest of you are smoking. Fat Rocks. This film is a match-10 out of 10. The fuck is he talking about?

This is the last time you watched it. Fucking. Stephen Lobelad says rad movie. Yeah, there you go, rad movie. Patrick Lear says, Patrick Lear is it fat rocks or something else? I don't know what either one of them is talking about, to be honest with you. Cherie Pierre.

Aha, see, I got her. Yeah, Sheree. You got it right this time. She says, I love this movie. I know, right? I'm pulling on my own. I'm not drunk enough yet.

Art Kelly says, if I had watched it sometime during my childhood, maybe Nez. But I tried either my kids, I tried, but neither of my kids were having it, man.

Oh, let's talk about the last Starfighter? Yeah, still talking about the last starfighter. Patrick Lear says, Kevin Nez, the youngsters, Philip and Art have no idea how great the 80s were, so they don't relate to the awesomeness of this movie. I grew up in the 80s, man.

Yeah, as an embryo or what? Yeah, well, okay, to be fair, I was like two when this movie came out. Yeah, exactly. I definitely saw it. And, man, there's some films that hold up well over the years, and there's some films that are just stuck in that one little time period. and this one is not moving from the 80s ever Let's see Regarding Adrian Barbeau's appearance

At Fright Bear Joel Cravet says I saw her in Pippin a couple of years ago She was 70 then and looked great She did trapeze in the show What? Holy shit 80 years old still on the trapeze

What do you think about that, Jen? That's impressive. What does she do it at Parker? I can't even do that at the age I am now, so God, rock on. You know what? I'm going to approach her a fright, mare, and see if she will give me an interview. Yeah. My knee hurt when I got out of bed this morning.

I love Adrian Barbow. Let's see. About the Killer Clown movie Terrifier. Amy Jermaine Runnels says I liked it. Okay, so that's two of them. Terrifier might be kicked us. Okay, you fucked up. Her name is pronounced A-May.

Really? Yes. A-May? I got you. Finally, you mispronounce somebody's name. Yeah, it's A-May, Germain. All right, we're going to have to spell these phonetically from now on. Millennium Films is bringing on Ashley Miller from X-Men First Class to write the screenplay

for the long-delayed Red Sonia reboot. Art Callie says, whatever happened with Robert Rodriguez, wasn't he trying to make this for the longest time, too? Oh, my God. I wanted to see Rose McGowan as Red Sonia so badly. Yeah, oh, yeah, that had been... Unfortunately, it never happened.

Definitely it with him. Let's see, Darren Wilson says, what about Hugh Jackman and Freaks? Oh, yeah. He sent a picture of, fucking Wolverine in front of Todd Browning's freaks. Oh, okay.

Because I was talking about the greatest showman last week. Yeah, yeah. Wolverine would have killed them, dudes. Regarding the descent two, which I have not seen. What? Yeah.

I wanted to watch it. Oh. Well, yeah. We'll wait out of it. But yeah, I wanted to watch it at some point this week. I just didn't have time because the first one. awesome but we'll get there uh

nick fortuna says uh i loved the first one so much i'm afraid to watch this the risk of ruining it ruining the lore is too great i can see that uh patrick clear says uh this post was meant for the group so i'll reiterate uh in response to those critics who say the movie rides too heavy and nostalgia uh get the fuck out i've waited 30 years for the 80s to be cool again ride that wave till it dies. Eventually it will and will be stuck with a steady decline of

greatness as the 90s and 2000 coming back. Kevin Ness says the 80s has never stopped being cool. Well, there's that. Hey, there's something, that's, that's the last Starfighter's got that going

for it, man. It's, uh, the 80s is in right now. Uh, I think that's it for listener feedback. As always, thanks to everyone who reaches out to us. We love the feedback. You can reach us at our Facebook or Podbean page, or you can email us directly at thehorror Returns at gmail.com.

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All right, badass. So, Brian, once again, Again, reiterate what is our contest we are going right now? If you send us an iTunes review, preferably five stars, I mean, it'll be appreciated. No shame. You will get a T-shirt. You will get a T-shirt or a beercozy. I mean, we can cut the sleeves off if you want, but I assume you want the whole shirt.

Right. So please. get in those items review, it really helps to show out. Yeah, or if you refer somebody to the show, right? Yes. That is not my house.

And we're also going to talk about 2005s, The Descent, which many consider to be a horror classic. So, we'll start with a dissent. And as always, we have a little bit of trivia. the director and writer was Neil Marshall. Also known for that fucked up weird movie Doomsday.

Jen, you've seen that, right? I don't think so. Oh, my God. It's like futuristic, and then it's like back in Renaissance times, and then it's like, it's a really weird. It's a mashup of like the Road Warrior and Excalibur, and God knows how many other movies. It's really cool.

Yeah, what's her name? Rona Mitra. She's badass in that movie. I don't think I've seen it. Yeah, Doomsday is a fun movie. And my wife just fucking could not understand anything about it. And she was pissed that I made her see it. And I just loved it from start to finish.

So if you get a chance, check out Doomsday. I think most of our listeners will love it. But also, Neil Marshall wrote several episodes of Game of Thrones and the upcoming Hellboy reboot. He directed it and he wrote it. So that's saying quite a bit, right? Yeah. I think so.

Well, we'll see. So a couple of pieces of trivia here. The filmmakers considered it too dangerous to film in an actual cave. Hmm. It also would have been far... It also would have been far too time-consuming. So they opted to build one instead. Really?

I had no fucking idea. It looked totally real. to me when I was watching the movie. It does. Cool of me. Yeah, I agree. Okay, here's a bizarre piece of trivia. Jen, you watch a lot of, like, the,

where they're talking about the movies and stuff like that. So you might have known this, but everyone in the group, each individual person is from a different country. Yeah, I mean, you can definitely tell with all their accents and stuff, too. Yes. That's really weird. So it came out in the UK first, though, right? I think so. I think it was originally a UK release.

Yeah, I would think so because there's definitely a British accent, an Irish accent, an American accent, Scottish accent. I mean, yeah, there's just accents all over the place with those. And like they even talk about that too. Like when the two women are driving and the car, when they're going to the cave in the U.S., they're like, oh, well, we went to Scotland or something. Yes, that's right. Yeah. I remember that. Early on.

Yeah, always talking about different places. So he obviously did that on purpose. Everybody here knows who Tobin Bell is, right? Yeah. We were talking about we weren't Big Saw fans, blah, blah, blah. Oh, God. But he did say in an interview that this is one of his favorite horror films of all time. I have to agree with him.

Yes. Well, speaking of which, Jan, you were our guest, so we always give our guests. So we always give our guests the opportunity, if you wish, to go first. Okay. What did you think about this movie? I have always been a huge, huge, huge fan of the dissent, mainly because it's an all-female cast. When do you ever see that?

And they don't play it up too much. No. No, they're badass chicks that are ready to fight, you know? Yeah. In fact, like, a lot of times when I'm invited on to podcasts, a lot of, a lot of, a lot of the hosts will ask me to, like, choose a movie that we'll talk about. And I always want to talk about a woman-driven film. And if I post and ask, you know, for suggestions, the dissent always, always, always wins because it's such a killer film. Oh, yeah.

I think it's extremely well written. The women roles are not the damsel in distresses. the ones that are taking their tops off and showing off their chests. They're not the victims. They're badass, ready to fight, ready to survive. And just the little, you know, intricate stories that are going on with the other women is not only super true to life, but it makes it super interesting, too. you know like um i'm blinking on our name so i'm going to look on it i'm going to look it up really

really fast but i was asked you know if i could if i could be um uh any character in a in a film like what character would i would i want to play and i would totally totally totally want to be juno because i know that's what you're going to say yeah i mean i i like sarah i think sarah like you know sarah's super like she comes into her own, you know, she's, um, defends herself and all that kind of stuff. But you know, so complex and so real at the same time, you know, like, I know we're allowed to give spoilers. I know that she she had no idea that she was going to be stabbing her friend. And the only reason she left her was because she was going to go and try and get help, try and get out. Like, it wasn't like she was

leaving her on purpose, but I kind of made that a bigger deal than it was. Yeah, but as well, girls do, they're like, oh my God, you hurt my feelings on purpose. Oh my God, which girls do. And so, again, it's true to life. And so then, you know, girls, you know, support the victim girl. And they don't, they take sides. I mean, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just good. It's great. I love the descent. I always find something interesting. Every time I watch it, I find like a little tidbit, you know, new every time I see it. How many times would you say you've seen this film? well before it became on shutter and was showing on uh i don't know what channel it's on i think it's on like um i don't know it's been showing on tv um before that i'd say i'd probably saw it like three

times four times but since it's been on it's on shutter and all that kind of stuff i've watched it like another five or six times because i had to talk about it on another podcast and then um and then i've watched it a couple times ever since i hate i don't have hate. I dislike. I just like the dissent too. I don't, I don't think it lives up to the city one. It's horrible. It is horrible. I watched it this. I watched it this

week. Oh, Brian. I'm glad I haven't watched every sequel, man. It, I don't know. It's poorly made. I mean, they just took everything that was great about the first one, and they just threw it out.

This goes back to my true belief of, I mean, if you watch any first season of any show, like look at Stranger Things, or if you listen to any type of music artist, their first album is always super amazing. And because they find so much success from their first album or first, you know, written series or their first movie, because this has been years, years of rewrites, years of putting your life and your feelings and your passion and everything into this one thing, just hoping, praying,

that somebody is going to like it, that you find all the success. And then all these people with all this money is like, okay, we need your second thing like now. So then they feel rushed. So I feel like that's probably what happened with the dissent too is like whoever wrote it or whatever probably felt like super stressed out and super rushed to get it out because, but no, it came out like way after. I could just be talking out of my ass right now. I don't think any of the like the, it wasn't written by the same people, directed by the same people, none of that.

Well, here's the thing with writing, because for all of you who do not know, I work at a tanning salon here in Los Angeles to pay my bills. And I... Exactly. I got a day job. And I deal with a lot of people in the industry. And so there is this one writer that was consistently coming in that every time he would come in, I would ask him a question and he would actually answer it and tell me honestly what was going on. So a lot of times, like, the writer probably could write the script, but then once the studio gets their hands on it, once the director gets their hands on it, they can request rewrites and they can hire whoever they want to do the rewrite. So it could be quite possibly that the original writer did write it. And then whoever directed it or the studio or whoever was like, no, we want to, we want to quote unquote, make it better.

We want to change it up, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because we always know what's better. for everything. Oh yeah. Happens all the time, right? Yeah, all the time. Yep, so then they probably had somebody come in, I mean, it could be that they had somebody come in and rewrite it. But, um, okay, yeah.

Well, damn the man. The second one came out four years later. Four years later. You know, that's kind of a long time. I thought it came out like a year or two after for some reason. They also, yeah, it looks like it was kind of written by a bunch of different people, too. they could have written it really, really quickly, and then it was probably in pre-production

for maybe like two years or something. Because I'll be honest with you, I'm attached to a film right now, and we've been in pre-pro for almost a year and a half, and we're waiting. It happens. Oh, yeah. Oh, God.

Hear about it more often than not. And it is the waiting game, a waiting game. Jeff, your theme playing in the background, right? I'll tell you what, I had not seen this movie in quite a few years until I rewatched it. And the thing I like the most is I appreciate the fact that it's called The Descent. And it has a lot of, it certainly has double meanings, probably, you know, multiple meanings. But I consider it a descent into madness for the final rule, right?

Because did she get out or didn't she? We don't know. It depends on what ending you watch. As you told me, Philip, there's a couple of different endings, you know. Oh, there is? Yeah, the U.S. theatrical ending, she gets away. Like, it just stops before that very last scene. Oh.

But in the UK and on the DVD release, it goes back to the birthday cake scene. Which is still stuck in the cage. Which personally, I think, was a dream. I think she did get out. was in an asylum or she was being talked to by counselors or something like that afterwards. That's my personal interpretation. She did get it out of the cave. I have a theory.

They just wanted to make a second one? Well, yeah. Sorry. Sorry, it stole it from you. No, no. I think the second one kind of fucks this up. But considering it was a different group of people that directed, and wrote and all that junk.

I think, I almost think the original intention of this, and I read about it online, I can't take credit for it, is, what if those creatures were never there? They were all hallucinations in Sarah's mind, and she killed all of her friends.

Wow. That's fantastic. And the descent into madness is really a descent into madness. I mean, like was it not a little extreme that she took out juno's leg at the end like i mean i get it but yeah i mean i think anybody in that situation would have helped her and helped her survive instead of taking her out and making her like die and yeah right she's like nope i don't have to

be faster than the bear i just have to be faster than you but again she she doesn't i mean we'll wait till you see the second one i mean she's not really you know gone but Butler alert, huh? Filer alert. She lives down there with him. Now I have... Brian, what do you think about all this, man? The first one or the second one, because the second one's garbage.

Oh, okay. Ignore the second one. Pretend it doesn't exist. The second one, or the first one, it's one of those movies. It makes me so fucking uncomfortable when I watch it. And that's a good thing. That scene... It's just lachrophobic.

Yes, that scene in the beginning when she's crawling through that little crawl space and gets stuck. It gets me every... Yes. No, no, no. It's not that far along into the movie. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. But, yeah, that gets me every time. And the design of the creatures and the sound they make, too, is very memorable.

Like, it's kind of like a weird kind of... cat sound. You guys ever notice that? Yeah, they're weird, man. Like, they've got like a bat sonar thing, and they sort of move like lizards. I don't know what to think about them. They're creepy as shit, though. And it's weird that they can't see.

You know, I mean, I just maybe being in darkness all the time, but I mean, you would think that they would be able to adjust and see in the dark. Right. Or at least some of them. I don't know. I would hope so. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, they're creepy as shit, man. And practical effects, thank God, they look awesome.

Yes. And Juno, as much as Juno kicks ass in this movie, she is not my favorite character. Oh, who's got to do it? She is an ass. I mean, she slept with Sarah's husband. And then took them on a cave and called through a little. It happens. Hey, shit happens, you guys.

She took them in this goddamn cave and they decided. And she wanted to have fun. They want to have a good time. Fun stops when you have to crawl through a hole the size of your head. You know what I mean? Like, okay, maybe I shouldn't explore that hole. She's just keeping it real. I mean, come on.

This is when maybe it's time to turn around. Okay, guys, I'm sorry. I fucked up. That was my bad, you know? I'm sorry, Brian. Go ahead. Lance, what did you think? Yeah, no.

It's a badass movie. I had not seen this probably since a year or two after it came out, and I'm really glad that I re-watched it. The creatures were fucking amazing. It's like fucking white creatures that are blind and coming after you, kind of like bats or lizards or something like that in the cave. Very scary. It's just a super fucked up movie,

and I'll tell you what fucked with me. Um, if you think about it, she, she really didn't know that this, uh, this chick had killed her other friend. Or she, she found it about it, about it later. And it's just kind of fucked up the way she just killed her cold-blooded like that, you know? That's what I'm saying. And, you know, maybe don't sneak up on a person with a pickax who's in the middle of kill the monsters and like tap them on the fucking shoulder. But she was, it was, it was, Beth deserved to die. that was a dumb fucking move.

You know, that's what goes into the descent into madness part, is that she went nuts because she thought it was cold-blooded murder, but it was a mistake, you know, it was an accident. And that's what's so fucked up at the whole movie, you know? Like if I'm swinging a sword around, just killing motherfuckers, you know, don't come tap me on the shoulder and ask me a question about my fucking laundry, you know? Kind of like ass. Hey, how you doing it?

Kind of like Ash, right? Yeah. They all kind of turn into like their own survivors. Like it's like, you know, kill or be killed on their own, you know, because they split up and everything like that too. Right. Except for the two, they're sisters, right? The two ones that stick together, I believe that they're sisters or something. Oh, are they?

Okay. I think so. I mean, when I first saw the movie, I was like, are they girlfriends? But then I was like, no, I think they're sisters. But anyway, they, besides the... those two that stick together, everybody else is on their own. Like, they are going through this shit alone. So it is

like survival mode. That's a good point. And I get some of them mixed up sometimes in between the scenes just because it's dark and like three of them have blonde hair and ponytails. Yeah, exactly. That was on purpose, too, the way they filmed it.

You know, I'm getting anybody mixed up in the second one. I just have to bring this up real quick. Jen, was it just me or was the second one super light in the cave? It was super light, super long and super boring. Oh, no. Yeah. Well, see, and I was a little worried when this one started because the first 20, 30 minutes of the movie are, uh, is, it's kind of, it's a lot of character building, which is cool. Um, but it's definitely a slow burn.

I mean, it takes them a while to get to anything. But then once they get to the. cave, you know, like you said, it gets real uncomfortable, real fast. It's a different, it's a completely different movie before the, before the demon things show up. That whole claustrophobia thing is, it invests you. Yeah, you get so invested because you're like, oh, that girl's up with that husband and blah blah, blah, and they're connected and then they side together and da-da-da-da-da. So at least it invests you. And I totally, totally go saying, yeah. Yeah. And see, on first watch,

Watch that part a little bit turned me off just because it was a little slow. And then when I watched it again this week, I'm so impressed with this movie. Like, I think it is so underrated as far as horror goes. I mean, it's probably one of the best in the past, you know, 20 years or so. All right, you guys ready for scores on that note? Yeah. All right, Jen, we go from 1 to 10 and we do like 0.5 or whatever. but what is your score from 1 to 10 on this movie?

I give it an 8.5. That's strong. Very strong. All right, who's next? I'll be next. I just kind of was jumping in all over everybody's stuff. I'm going to give it a 9.5. Oh, shit.

Yeah, dude, this movie was kick-ass. Because I have to rate it higher. We'll get there. I'll tell you about that later. But it's a good movie. Definitely go see it if you haven't seen it in a while. It's worth a rewatch. I'm going to meet you guys in the middle and give it a nine.

This movie was claustrophobic, dark, creepy. Love the design of the creatures. And there was some badasses kicking ass in this movie. So I'm going to give it a nine out of ten. Damn, dude. All right. Well, the usual. Lance, low score.

I love the movie. I'm not going to mess with you at all. I loved it. But, I mean, 7.5. Easy, easy, cool, 7.5, for sure. Definitely a good movie. Yep. All right.

You guys are ready to move on? Yep. All right, it's our big featured attraction this week, a quiet place. Director John Cresensky, If that name sounds familiar, it should. If you watch The Office. He has actually directed a few episodes of the Office U.S.,

but he is primarily known as an actor. Besides playing a gym in the office, he has also had roles in Detroit. Away we go, and it's complicated, among others. Writers, John Krasinski, along with Brian Woods and Scott Beck, and they are also known for the bride who wore blood and haunt. Brian Wood and Scott Beck's original screenplay only contain one line of dialogue.

That would be interesting. But obviously they add a lot more to this. Not that much more. Not too much more. Actress Millicent Simmons has been deaf since infancy. Oh. Due to a medication overdose. This was the second.

film she starred in with Wunderstruck being her first. I didn't know she was really deaf. That's cool. Yeah, she really is, man. And last piece of trivia, the screenplay was named one of the ten best scripts of the year. And considering

there's no dialogue, that's a big accomplishment, right? Mm-hmm, yeah. On tracking boards, 2017 hit list, an annual list voted on by industry professionals. So again, Jan, you're our guest.

If you wish, you're welcome to go first. I will happily go first about this movie. So I've seen a lot of hype. I've seen a lot of talk. A lot of blogger friends that went to a screening. They were all like, it's terrifying. Oh, good for you. It's one of the scariest movies I've seen.

You know, and I never ever, whenever I see that, I'm kind of like, meh, okay. Take it with a grain of salt, huh? I've become jaded over the years, yeah. I have to tell you, I was so in love with this film. And afterwards, like I was talking to my boyfriend about it, I feel like it's because I really suspended my disbelief and really, really gave in to the film.

And the reason, yeah, and the reason I, and a lot of times I don't, like, usually I'm like on guard or whatever. I feel like because with this film, the reason I did that is because it felt so intimate. It felt so in your face. It felt so real. I personally felt that I was kind of there with them, you know? Like a lot of, I felt the acting was absolutely incredible. for it to have no dialogue. Well, I mean, it has a few lines here and there,

but like, really, there's no dialogue whatsoever. I just, I was in it. I was in it with them. I was on this journey with them. I found it absolutely fascinating. And I loved it. I don't want to spoil it because I know we have to wait later to spoil it. But those are my first initial.

my first initial thoughts. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of hard on something like this not to, you know? Yeah, I mean, yeah, because I was,

again, I was talking with my boyfriend about it, and he's like, well, how are you going to talk about it? He's like, anything that you say, you can kind of give everything away. Yeah.

Right? You gotta be careful. Yeah, because it's really hard not to because it really isn't too much that you can talk about, but you can't, like, you would tell them,

like, everything if you were to say, like, certain things. It's like, it's pretty hard. But, um, I think,

like that was like the big thing for me was that it was very intimate and like you just kind of felt that you were with the spam thing yeah the way that he the way that he shot it the camera angles that they chose you were you were there you were just there yeah yeah i i was shocked i've got a weird parallel between this one and a particular film last year that was my second to favorite uh movie last year it's a completely comedian, basically, or it's an actor who primarily is in comedy roles, and he's directing a film. How the fuck is he going to make it work? But I thought that last year with Jordan Peel, you know?

Yeah, that was a fucking masterpiece, you know? I mean, Krasinski, he, holy shit. He kicked ass in this movie. This was amazing. Yeah, everybody. Well, let me take you. I'm going to say one thing in there. I'm going to pass it on DeGess to talk about it.

But the young actress, who was the deaf girl, oh my God, she was so fucking amazing. I just bought into everything she did. I just loved her. I went and saw the film at Arc Light, and they had like this little kind of like stories, interviews afterwards. And if I can find them online, I'll send it. to you guys because it was absolutely fascinating to see what they were talking about and how they came

to the point of who was cast and whatnot. But from day one, he wanted a deaf girl in that role. There was no questions about it. Like, he wanted a deaf girl. And I think that she did such a great job. And I think that she brought so much more to it. Oh, my God. She was amazing. Just amazing. She sold it to me 100%. That's all I have to say about the movie until we get into spoilers, guys. John Krasinski and Emily Blunt. They're a real couple in real life, right?

Yes, I'm married. Yeah. And I believe they have a deaf daughter. They have two children, but I don't know if one of them's deaf. I kind of think it is. I mean, I could be wrong, but I would look that up. I assume that that's where they got maybe the idea for the story or whatever, but, man, everybody. The story was presented to him.

I guess when he was doing, yeah, I'll send you guys that interview if I can find it. Oh, yeah, he was sent this, he was sent the script while he was filming John Ryan with Michael Bay. And so then he then got into the whole writing of it and then he just became obsessed with the whole film, the whole story, the whole screenplay. and stuff. But it was actually a script when he got it. Well, man, he, he tore it up. I'm happy with John Krasinski. I loved him in this role. I loved everybody in this movie. Yeah, it's kind of hard to talk about without giving anything away, but it was way more intense than I expected it to be. The whole movie is just, there's so much silence. And I

kind of wanted to ask Brian. I know you have some theater experiences under your belt, but how did, uh, I wish this woman to my left had quit. When is she going to run out of popcorn for fucking sake, you know? She'd have died real quick, huh? Oh, yeah. Oh, my family would be gone,

by the way. In case you haven't been able to hear him in the background. Yeah, my family would be so far dead in this world right now. How's your theater do, Brian? This was the most quietest theater experience I ever had in my entire life. Wow. It's almost, and it was a pretty decent crowd in my theater. And it's almost like we all went in with the agreement that we're not going to speak the entire movie.

Well, because when the movie gets real quiet and they like look at you and go, shh, you know. All you can, all I, all I heard was the occasional, like, popcorn eating and that was it. Nothing else. Nobody was, like, sucking on hot dogs and shit like that. And even when there was a cough, they'd like, you know, you could tell it was into their arm or their, you know, their sleeve or whatever. Just to try to keep it quiet, man. Wow.

That's unheard of, dude. We got scolded before we saw our film because the guy, we always get, like, an introduction. at the arc light and he was like so you all have to turn off your electric your electronics and everything everything that needs to be shut off this movie is totally silent nobody's allowed to talk

we're like oh okay that's like an alma draft house right that sounds like it yeah be ready for that going into this movie if you haven't seen it yet it's it's totally silent and you're don't take anybody who's fucking loud yeah shut the fuck up

but yeah man it's i mean it was i was on the edge of my seat the entire time i don't think it was a single moment where i was uh where i was bored or or doing anything other than going oh my god can one more bad fucking thing happen to these people no but but that was that was one of the things i like because i was constantly wondering you know if this situation happened what are they going to do about it, but they had so many precautionary things set in place. And, you know, we'll get more into spoilers, because there was a big thing

that I was like, when this happens, what are they going to do? And they... The baby. Yes, they had everything worked out. Hey, hey, hold on. Slow it down. Jen has something to say. Oh, hey. Oh, hey. I was just going to say, my

jaw completely dropped during the whole, like, bunker scene. I can say that. Okay. Like when it started, when there was this thing that happened, my mouth just went down. And I was just like, again, I was just in it, in it, in it, in it, in it to win it. I mean, it was great.

And there's a lot of foreshadowing. There's stuff that happens where they do it and you go, oh, that is really going to suck later. And you know it's coming. And, yeah, you know it's coming. and yes, it sucks later. But they did such a great job of it, man. It was, uh, uh, and I, even the monster, which is CGI all the way, uh, but they did a pretty good job of it, I thought. Yeah, not too bad. Not too bad. I would agree.

You don't get quite as good a look of it at it as you do like the, uh, the crawlers from, uh, descent, which is one of the things I loved about. dissent. You got a really good look at the monster. But I still think that they did a pretty good job with that, man. I don't really have anything bad to say about this movie. I thought it was kick ass. Wow. Yeah, you guys are ready for scores? Hell yeah.

Jen? I give it a nine. Oh, yeah! Nice. I love it. I love it. Who's next? I'll go. I'm going to give it a nine also. that's why I gave the dissent 9.5 instead of a 9, because I still feel like the descent is probably more of a classic at the moment,

but we shall see, only time will tell. Yep, over time. I'll give it an 8.5. Strong, strong 8.5, which is damn high. Yeah, especially for you. It's really good. I'm going to give it a 7.5. I wasn't on the edge of my seat as much as I was when I first seen the dissent in theaters.

But overall, I'm very pleased at what John Krasinski did. And it has me, it has hope for, because I brought up this before, Danny McBride doing the Halloween movie. Oh, yeah. I think, I think comedic actors and writers, I think that might be an untapped source for horror movies in the future. How many times have we said it, man? Comedy and horror. I mean, they see. seem like two different, you know, polar opposite things, but they kind of go hand in hand.

And most people who really like horror also really like comedy. Wow, dude, that's strong words, man. Fucking badass, dude. All right, so y'all ready for spoilers? Yeah. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

you've been fucking warned this is a motherfucking spoiler alert you've been fucking warned not it how about that first fucking scene man I did not expect that to happen no you didn't

no when they took out the kid yeah I didn't yeah I didn't expect for the kid to get killed immediately I totally did I totally saw that coming I did too

I did too I just knew there was going to be something to save him. And then he was just, there he goes. It was like that Annabelle opening, man, where she gets hit by the fucking truck. Yeah, it had that same kind of impact. I was like, whole shit. All right, this is going to be a good movie. I think the way that they did it was a little bit, like, surprising, you know,

because you just kind of scoop some up and takes them away, like really fast. But I definitely knew that something was happening. I mean, he was kind of standing at the end of the bridge with the little spaceship. Like, it was, yeah. Oh, yeah. How many moments in this movie? I have kids that are like that age, mine are five and seven. And, oh, my God, like, you know, you have to tell them the same shit 15 times and they still don't listen.

Okay. And I'm like, this is what happens when you don't fucking listen. You die. How about that? I'm so glad you're saying that. because that was a conversation after the movie where it was like, he, you know,

he's been told since at a very young age, you can't talk, you can't say, you can't do, you can't blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, he's four years old.

He's four. Like, obviously he's going to just do whatever he wants to do and play however he wants to play. He wants to live life. And my boyfriend was like, oh, he was taught.

But I was like, now it's got to be something with the age. So I'm glad you say that because that makes it more. Oh, no. My kids would be dead like in 10 minutes. 10 times over, huh? I'm like, how many times you have to tell you to shut up? And then I would get killed.

Yeah, we haven't brought it up. But I thought the other kid, he did a great performance too. He was great. Because he just displayed that fear throughout the movie because he wasn't having none of that shit. He was like, when they're trying to take him to go fishing, and he was like, no, I'm not going. Oh, I see. And he reminded me of my seven-year-old. old, so it kind of, it hooked me.

Like a lot. He's real soft-spoken, huh? Yeah. Uh, with the fishing. It definitely was so realistic and true to life, you know, and I just, I loved how, you know, John Krasinski's part, he was,

he was being the father figure, he was being the protector, he was being the one that's like positive and like, no, we're going to get better. We'll help you here. with your hearing aids, we're going to do this. Like, things are going to happen.

He was that positivity with that family, and everybody else was so terrified, you know? And so I really loved the dynamics between them and the other three. And then he got fucking killed. Right? And then you're left with this, oh, shit, what are they going to do now? Right. But come on.

How sneaky was that creature to, like, be on the roof? Like, really? How smart do you have to be? You know? And if you're going to stand there and scream and let the creature attack you, maybe don't throw down the axe. Yeah, I was thinking of that, too. At least hold it in front of you so it hits the axe first, you know? Well, I think if you pay attention to the whiteboard, I think they were saying they were armored the creatures.

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. I believe I could be wrong. I'm sure if I am, somebody's going to correct me. But I think on, go ahead. I was just going to say that makes sense because the whole time I'm like, if they could have just shot them, why didn't they just shoot them? Like I don't, so, so that must be part of it because they figured out at the end that they could just shoot them, you know? Yeah, because I believe the whole time they was looking for some sort of weakness and they could never find one. Oh.

And while I was watching a movie, um, Nez was a message of me throughout the movie. If anybody doesn't know, is Kevin Nez, Skater Nez podcast, subscribe. Were you on the movie? You're fucking fired, dude.

It was near the end. He had messaged because he really wanted to know what I thought of the movie. And one of his issues was he felt like they didn't explain about the creatures, but if you got, I don't know if you guys notice

in the final trailer for this movie, there's a news thing going on in the background, and it's talking about some sort of invasion. Oh, okay. So I believe these are aliens. Oh, I assume they were aliens. Of course they are, yeah.

I like that they just dropped you off in the middle of it. Like I said, that's what I was going to talk about earlier. It was very walking deadish the way that it started. Yeah. And I thought that was cool, man. They drop you in the middle of this world and you better figure it the fuck out. Yeah, I like that too. What was that big?

So the three, so in that area that they were in, they only had three creatures. But from that other trailer, would it be that the whole planet has been invaded? I think so. Yeah. I think so. It said three confirmed. So it wasn't sure. In their area.

Because it kind of has like a clover field, like the second clover field kind of feel to me too. There was a rumor for a while that this was. one of the Cloverfield movies. Did you hear that movie? Oh, no. Why would that not surprise me? Yeah, I really did. I mean, there's so many fucking Cloverfield movies, but...

Yeah. I lost my running joke, but every preview that we watched, it was like, oh, it's also a Cloverfield movie. Yeah, yeah. I know, I know. It's like Overkill, right? What did you guys think about the ending? I loved it.

I am glad they, they, go ahead. No, no, I'm just going to say, I kind of wish that they had totally finished it and killed them. Yeah. But, you know, and whatever. I kind of liked that. It just ended because I think it would have got really kind of. Redoubt. Yeah, if she just would have just went on a shotgun killing spree.

Yeah. That's true. I liked it. Yeah. like they just fade the black and just went to the credits. At least they had a fighting chance at that point, you know? Well, they can just lure them in and turn the thing on and kill them now. Yeah, exactly.

I was okay with it. I know some people were a little upset with the ending just because they kind of left off in the middle of, all right, now we're going to kick some ass into the movie. Yeah, but that's leaving it for number two. Yeah. I think so, too, Jen. I think so. And I'm a little worried about that.

I don't know if I want to see a number two. I kind of do. But, you know, I'll tell you this. My wife hates horror movies. She fucking hates horror movies. Anything having to do, especially with the Catholic Church or demons or anything like that, she's like totally turned off. She went with me to see the movie and she loved it. Yeah?

And I'm like, yes, yes, finally. and I asked her, do you want to see another movie? And she's like, yeah, I kind of want to see where it goes from here. So that's a good thing, you know? Yeah. I don't mind if they do sequels or prequels. Because we really have no idea what happened at the beginning of this, you know? True, very true.

It's a prequel to Independence Day. Oh, no. I got to be honest with you, that whole bunker scene, That really, really weirded me out. With the baby? With the baby? Especially when you saw the creature, like he could swim. Yeah.

I was thinking, oh, can you imagine that thing rubbing up against your leg under the leg? No, no, no. And then she puts her feet in the water as he's swimming. And I'm like, oh, my God, are you serious? She's got to go get her baby. I mean, that's a mother's intuition, which I totally don't have, so I don't get. So good for her. But, oh my God, that was like, seriously?

Yeah. I don't want anything to do with any of that bullshit. He float into that water very, very easily, too. So they easily be in water or on land. Like that man, right? Yeah. There's so many situations in this where I was like, How in the fuck are they going to get out of this?

When she, when she, again, in the bunker scene, when she moved past that quote unquote water, the fake waterfall. And then the creature came up to her and was like stopped by the water. I was like, that's so alien. Oh, yeah. So alien. Yeah.

Yeah. But they did it well, man. I just didn't even care. It was, I mean, they had me so hooked by this movie. During the film... Oh, sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, that was...

That was... I was just going to try a lot. I was just going to say, like, you know, being an... I'll call myself an amateur writer. I don't think I'm a very good writer, but I see... I don't know. I would disagree, because I really enjoyed the film that I watched that you wrote. Oh.

And I saw quite a few familiar faces in there. Oh! Well, we'll have to talk about it. We have to talk about that. Yeah, let's talk about it than that. Well, I just wanted to say, like, you know, just being like, okay, I'll call myself a writer. Being a writer, I see, I saw what they were doing with the whole film, what they were trying to set up everything. And a lot of other films you watch, it's like so in your face.

It's like, this is this reason for this. And you have to, you know, pay attention to this car because this is going to happen, you know, later on in movie and this prop is going to be really important. So make sure that with this film, I felt like it was very flowful. I didn't feel like it was so in your face. It was kind of like, oh, okay, I know I have to take that into consideration and I have to keep that in mind. But it wasn't so in your face that you have to know this.

So you will know this for this other part, you know? Yeah, that makes sense. Well, and the thing with the nail, I thought was pretty obvious. But, I mean, it was supposed to be. Like, when she was going through it, oh, right? Yes. Because as soon as she pulled it up, I was like, oh, fuck my life. You know what I mean?

I was stuck on that for the rest of the. And I told my wife that I messed up my glasses because when I, when she stepped on that nail, my hands went up to my glasses and just totally fucked them up. Yeah. And I couldn't see the movie after that, so I had to wipe them. As an actor, I have so much appreciation for what she did where she is not only going to labor. Yeah, she's going into labor. She hurts her foot.

She has to be quiet. And then she has to move throughout the house to get away from these creatures and be silent. Yeah. You know. Incredible. So good. I didn't even care why in the hell they still had power. Yeah.

I'm okay with it. I don't care. I don't need to know. Who knows? Yeah, I doubt it, but, uh, because they'd probably all be dead. But, uh, that's okay. Whatever. So, uh, so, Jen, let's talk about demonic attachment.

All right, let's talk about it. Give it, give us the, the 4-1-1. Come on. Okay. So demonic attachment was my first kind of like, hey, horror people, this is who I am. This is what I'm about. Um, it was my second. production kind of on my own.

When I first started doing self-producing, I did it with one of my friends. We did a web series. And then I kind of trailed off and did a project by myself. So demonic attachment was my second one that I did on my own. Okay. I really wanted to know how you got the talent in there. Because I've seen a number of the women that were in that movie in numerous other TV shows or movies. So how did you make this happen, Jen?

So I, first of all, the story is based on a haunted house that I grew up in. I grew up in a small town called Danvers, which was part of Old Salem Village, which was a part of the whole Salem, witch trials, Salem, witchcraft, all that kind of stuff. And I grew up down the street from the Rebecca Nurse House. and Rebecca Nurse was one of the oldest women to be hanged, to be accused of being a witch. So the area is all historical. It's all real old. And the house that I grew up in was not a part of the wholesale in witch trials, even though I kind of wrote it as it was.

The house that I grew up in was built in like the 1800s, where full body apparitions have been seen, like, numerous ghosts. footsteps have been heard. A lot of things have happened in the house where there is paranormal activity. There's not, it's not negative. It's not bad. It's always been okay. It's been calm. It's been okay.

But I took a lot of the story ideas and kind of put them into the demonic attachment. And the whole point of demonic attachment was to make a feature off of it. And if I ever end up doing it, I'm so excited. can't wait. Because the town that I also grew up in was, uh, also had a mental asylum, which I'm trying to kind of like coincide the stories together. If anybody's seen session nine, I mean, I grew up down the street of, um, down from, um, Denver State Hospital, which was a part of whole session nine, so all that kind of stuff. Yeah, like, Denver State hospital has always been such a fascination for me because there's a highway that run

parallel to the mental asylum. And we used to drive by it. I used to find it so fascinating. I used to like, you know, just look at it, look at the architecture of it in high school. Like, it was super cool to, like, break in, even though I was like super sclerity cat and never go or do that. Because there's no trespassing and I don't want to be arrested or whatever.

But just some of like the stories that I have heard from classmates and stuff about being in there, being there some of the pictures that I've seen. And it's funny, like a lot of horror vloggers, bloggers, podcasters are also paranormal investigators. So we've had like a lot of discussions about this whole Danvers State asylum, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But so yeah, the demonic cast. Philip, Philip would have jumped in full force, right, Philip?

Oh, yeah, man. I'm there. Sorry, I got, I'm muted for a second. Yeah. So demonic attachment is based on the haunted house I grew up in, and I brought in the Salem Witch Trial stuff to it. And I do watch a lot of paranormal investigations, so I took the whole demonic attachment idea and put it into this film.

And I'm curious to know who you know. Because honestly, like this film, I think I barely raised like $2,500 through Indiegogo. Yeah, but you know what's funny, Jen? Is I was watching the movie, I was watching the film, which was what, what, 12 or 15 minutes or something like that? Yeah, yeah.

And I was like, I know her, I know her, I know her. Really? I've seen me. Oh, my God. Dude, last knows everybody. You got that I've seen in different TV shows or movies. And I'm like, that's a familiar face. But, you know,

know what? I fuck around and watch a lot of bullshit too, you know? Yeah. So it was pretty amazing to see what you put together. Thank you. I appreciate that. What also happened, too, was that my original director dropped out

because we had creative differences. And so I ended up bringing on... The old creative differences, huh? Yeah. And it honestly... You never heard that one before. Mostly because he was a dickhead.

No, honestly. Honestly, like I have mad respect for him, but honestly, it was creative differences. He really wanted me to go one way and I wanted to go the other and we just couldn't meet the middle. Fair enough, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I ended up bringing on an acquaintance who ended up being such an amazing friend after this whole process. But he grew up in the area. So he knew what I was trying to say and what I was trying to do.

and he knew the places that I was talking about. And so it ended up being so much more beneficial to the film, whereas as opposed to if I went with the original director, it might not have gone that way. But I ended up, like, for the cast, I audition people. And then for the voiceovers, like the beginning voiceovers, I just asked friends. I think two of them had auditioned for the film.

And I was like, you know, unfortunately we've got a different way, but if you want to do this voiceover in the beginning, you're more than welcome to, you know, come and hang out with us for an hour and say these lines. And they did it, huh? Yeah.

That's awesome. I'm sure you're talking about Robin. Are you talking about Robin? Probably. Yeah. She was the voice of slimer in Ghostbusters. Oh. Okay.

Sounds familiar. Yeah. And then I have Ryan Bartley, who is the lead of L.A. Macawb, if you're a fan of L.A. Macawb, the web series, which is now going into season two. And then Diana, Diana's been in, like, a lot of Disney stuff. And she was one of the characters, the young girl character in the demonic attachment. Wicen one of the ones. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. So have you worked with Jack Saint before? I am currently working with Jack Saint. Yeah. We love him. Yeah, dude. We had him on the show. Fucking cool guy, man.

He is a riot. Absolute riot. I honestly don't, oh, I know how he found me. I submitted Melvolia, the Queen of Screams. I submitted the web series to his film festival. And I ended up winning last year Best Web Series, which was great. And so that kind of started a rapport. And so he was like, hey, I'm doing paranoia tapes too.

Would you be interested in doing like a little small role? And I'm like, yeah, what do you want me to do? And he's like, I'm just going to send you a monologue that you have to film yourself and then just send it back. And I'm like, easy peasy. I can totally do that. And it's now kind of rolled into I'm now part of paranoia tapes. three, four, five, six. Yeah, I saw that.

Yeah. No and Jackie's like, will you, will you be part of this? Okay, cool. You're stuck forever. You're in for life. Blood in, blood out. I love him, though, man. I love talking to Jack and hanging out with him.

He's a good guy. He's definitely a trip. I'm the wrap-around story for Paranoia Tapes 3. because I play a sister in the second one. So we kind of move into Paranoia Tape 3, which I'm super pumped to film, but we've just kind of had some roadblocks going on. So as soon as I can film that, I'm like, I'm ready.

I'm rar to go. He's definitely a trip. I totally understand where he's going. I see his creative vision. I totally get it. I'm totally down. So, yeah. I want to watch the second one.

Now I'm going to get negative, okay? Okay, okay. You're involved in one of the Jennifer films, right? Oh, okay. To be fair, we haven't seen the second one. Okay. Jennifer, I considered it my worst film ever. And I totally get it.

No, no, no, no, no. Oh, don't be sorry. You know what? I don't really know how much I'm allowed to talk about it, but I'm just going to talk about it. So my really, really good, good, good friend and collaborator, he's collaborated with me on Malvolia. He and I work so easily together. He is like my number one, you know, just go-to, Hunter Johnson. he did the second to Jennifer.

So if you see the second one, I feel like it's a little bit more put together. I feel like it's... Okay, I'll buy that. And I believe it's still on Amazon Prime, so you can totally watch it. I feel like he took the ideas that James had and really, really, really went somewhere with it.

Is it perfect? I think he did an extremely amazing job with what he had and what he had to work with. Like, it's really funny. When you watch a movie, you can easily be like, oh, that was total shit. But then once you, like, talk to the filmmaker, you get to know the filmmaker, you become friends with the filmmaker, you see how they work, and then you see what they had to deal with while making the film. Hunter gets like 10 gold stars for me.

10 gold stars. Yeah. So for the third one, I was up for the Jennifer roll, and I did not book it. And then a little part kind of popped up. And I was asked if I would want to do that. And I say yes to everything. I'm that girl. I will say yes to everything.

That's good. That's good. So I went and hung out for a couple of hours. and we shot a little thing thing and yeah we'll see how it turns out yeah that's awesome yeah I mean I I had fun either way you know um would I have loved to have been a part of the franchise a little bit bigger I will I will see yes because I read part of the script for the third one and oh no the fourth one right just Frank Frank Frank did the third one um which I know Frank very well too Frank and Frank and I have been

and talks about my film. So for the fourth one, yeah, I would have loved to have been a part of it. But it just didn't work out and everything happens for a reason. But yeah. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. That's worth it right there. I'll check it out on your recommendation alone.

Plus you're in it. Oh, yeah. As soon as it's out, I will definitely whore it out and let you guys know where you can watch it. Well, I've got to go watch the second one. Watch the third one. I feel like what Frank did with the third one was genius. He got Derek Mears. So Derek Mears is one of the leads in it.

And they went from, I don't know what James filmed off of, iPhone 4. And then I think Hunter filmed off of iPhone 5 or iPhone 6. I believe Frank did all Gopros. I think it was all Gopros, which I met when I was out for James' birthday about a month ago. I believe, you know, Frank was kind of telling me like the pros and cons of working with a GoPro. Like, it's super hard. Like, I tried to do it one time and I was like, I'm done with this. So, um... Enough is enough, huh? Yeah. Like, basically, you have to film the whole thing and then sit back and then watch it and then film it again. And then, you know,

depending on where you put the GoPro, whether if it's on your forehead or on your chest or whatever, wherever you have it, you know, certain angles won't get caught. So then you have to go back and and refilm it to try and make sure. But the person that's wearing the device can't see what they're doing. And then if you have like an iPhone app, it's like kind of slow-mo. It's very difficult. It's very difficult. Yeah.

It seems really kind of kitsy and gimmicky. but uh right but you know i mean they've they've definitely made it work you know i had no idea that that movie was filmed on an iphone and then unsane was filmed on my phone yeah yeah yeah hold on you got where i wanted to talk about philip jen have you seen the insane i have not seen it it's utterer movie it is fucking amazing it's fucking awesome yeah it's all filled on the entire movie is filmed on an iphone because i've i've heard of it's I've heard love it and then I've heard hate it. I've never heard.

We all loved it. We every one of us loved it to a T. Right? Very cool. Yeah, definitely. I heard that it was kind of like a first-ish time filmmaker, but they have like a really big name producer on it. So that's like, you know, like word on the street was that's how they got distribution.

And that's how, you know, it got into theaters. And that's how it's got so much press. But I mean, if it has an interesting story, to me, that's, that's, it because I feel like no matter what you do in Hollywood or any type of studio, everybody wants to play it safe. So anybody that takes it a chance and takes a challenge, I commend fully because A, they were able to get it done because nobody will freaking give you money. I mean, my Malvolia has been pitched to a couple people and everybody's like reverting to Alvira. They're like, you should be more like Elvira.

And I'm like, why? It's been done. That happened in the 80s. Like, let's do something different. Let me be gorier. Let me be darker. Let me be drearier. Like, because if that's what I want to do.

I want to, I want to, yeah. Do Elvira. Yeah. Then if you want, yeah. I loved your Halloween special. That was awesome. Did you? Thank you.

That was my favorite episode. That was all Hunter Johnson. So to Jennifer, go for it. Hey. I took a back seat to that. I gave him full permission to do whatever he needed to do and wanted to do. And he came back to the script. And it was, I had a blast.

I had a blast. That's funny. I hated one of his films and I loved another one. Well, hey, look, man, I gave. That's movie going, right? I gave, uh, I gave old Jack Saint some shit for, uh, paranoid. He said, he even, he even says it too. He even says it too.

He's like, it was my first film. And it's true. It's like, when it's your first movie, you're still kind of flirting. It does. It's potential. Absolutely. Yeah, I really want to watch the second one now. Like, I'm dedicated to doing that.

Mostly because I feel guilty for giving him shit. You're lucky, though. The second one is not out yet. It's still in post-production. So you still have time to gear yourself up. Oh, okay. I was like, man, we're talking about, like, Paranoid tapes 4 and shit.

Oh. my god he has me like scheduled for paranoia tapes five i'm like what do you have in store for me yeah i have no idea but well i'll check him out oh so uh jane thanks so much for coming on the show and uh as always we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns we would love to hear your feedback and ideas you can always reach us at the horror returns Brian, where else, man? You can find us at on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and Tumblr.

And iTunes, the leaves a review. iTunes! All right, Jen. Thanks for joining us, and we really appreciate you. So until the horror returns again, Philip. Good night. Any of my words, Jim? Thank you for having me.

I had such a good time. And if y'all want to come follow me, I'm at at Jennifer underscore Nangle on Instagram and Twitter, or you can find me on Facebook.com backslash Jennifer Nangle. We'll do. Sounds awesome. Be my friend because I'm lonely. Oh, really?

You're going to be my friend? That's awesome. I feel super special. I am following you on Facebook, Jen. Yeah. And I know you have a couple of sad sack cock suckers. They're my fans. Hold on.

Hold on. I know for a fact. Where are we going with this? They're saying like, uh, whip me, beat me. Oh, Queen Malvolia. Am I right? I am. Truth here.

Come on. I have a lot of interesting personalities that. that have started following me throughout this whole year when I've been the queen. You got to expect that shit with that character. Yeah, so I got to be honest with you. When I go out, I don't check myself in on Facebook anymore because I don't want people to know where I'm at. Whenever I go to conventions, I make sure that I have somebody with me because some of the things that are sent to me are a little off the wall. They're a little interesting.

Like, if I ever go missing, there's a top three list of names where you could probably find me. But to be fair, with the Queen Malvolio persona, I'm pretty sure that you could just tell them to fuck off. And they would be like, yes, ma'am. That's true. I will definitely try that. But the power, like the powers. I don't do that. Bring the guy with you.

I just, I really have to be honest with you, too. Like, I never expected this. Like, when I became Malvolia, I, I thought people would accuse me of copying Alvira. I thought that they would, you know, call me a poser. I just, I thought that I was going to get all this negativity. And so many people have embraced me, and some people have embraced me, like, way too much. So I'm very thankful for it, but I definitely have to be cautious around it. All right.

Fair enough. Thanks again for joining us. Excellent show. Thanks, Jim. Thank you. Yeah, go as Queen Mavelia. Super sexy.