The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #99: Japanese Horror - Ringu (1991), Ju-On: The Grudge (2002) & Sadako Vs. Kayako (2016) (Re-upload)

Episode Date: December 16, 2022

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All right, guys, welcome back to the horror returns. I am Philip, and with me, as always, is my awesome Alaskans. Say, what's up, Brian? What's up? This week, Lance is going to be on his big trip to Vegas, but we'll, we join us next week for the big 100th episode. That's okay because tonight we have some very special guests for you. All the way from the Horror Mafia podcast,

it's the murder's row of Donnie, Joey, and Bill, and maybe Tanya. How's it going, guys? What's up over at the Horror Mafia these days? Hey. Konichiwa. There you go. We get to the Yakuza now. Yeah, I got to put.

Oh. Some aristocratic pinky up like Joe. How you doing? That's classy. Classy yet trashy. That's my style. So where can we find you guys at? Brooklyn, New York.

You can find us on Haramafia Podcast.com. You can find us on Facebook. Facebook.com slash Haramafia podcast. You can find us all individually. Joe Colombo on Facebook. Don is down. Donnelly. Oh, good luck.

Bill. My last name, Cassinelli. Catch him in and out of Facebook jail on multiple different profiles with the same name. Oh, yeah. He likes digital crime. And live on YouTube, apparently. That's what we're doing today. So thank you guys for letting us hone in on your Google Hangouts and helping us with our production duties this week while the big man's gone.

Aside from that, we usually start with our cool of the week. So we're skipping a few segments this week since you guys are in. What's the coolest thing that you've seen this week? We usually let our guests go first. So Joey, Donnie Bill, who wants to take that. Take it. Take it. Joey.

I take it the best. So I guess my body produces a lot more, you know, natural fluid. So I will hone this one first. No, I actually got to the cinema this week and saw a quiet place. And that she was, it was really good. It was an experience. It's a good way to define it and experience because while watching it, I was like submerging it. Then when it ended, I had so many question marks.

And then looking back in retrospect and thinking about it and talking about it. and talking about it. It's, I got to see it again. It's definitely, uh, my initial thoughts were like 3.5. Then it went up to a solid four.

And depending on a rewatch, I might even go up to a four and a half. Definitely not a five of a five. I've seen people post, you got to see this movie. You know, I mean, don't get me wrong.

It was a great film. It was an experience in the theater because, um, there's a lot of silence. But that could go either way, right? I had this one guy that would be, be like, come on, motherfuckers!

What are you doing, Brad? I was like, I wanted to turn around, but, you know, I didn't need an all-out war at 10th and a night in the movie theater, so. There was a guy who was talking? Oh, yeah. It was like, it's like I had the fucking, the riff tracks behind me. I wanted to fucking file drive him through the fucking stage, you know? Even Brian's theater was quiet during that one, and he's had problems during every single

movie. Numerous problems, but I had a completely silent theater. You know, but I'd say about halfway through he must have conked out because then it got, it got pretty good the rest of the time. But yeah, it was a little annoying. It's like, dude, have some fucking theater etiquette. It's 2018. People should know about theater etiquette and spoilers. Enough is enough is enough.

They should put those monsters in the theater. That shut some motherfuckers up. Oh, yeah. Like, you know, thinking about the monsters, like you don't get. much. But then it's like, all right, I got to go back and look at the trailer and pause in the scenes and so you can look at the newspapers and see all the headlines. Because, you know, if they don't say it in the actual film, it's just on a newspaper headline, but it's like, just a quick, you see like some meteors, you know, it's, you don't hear any, like, commentary

from, like, you know how you watch Night of a Living Dead and you hear, like, commentary from the, from the TV and the radio throughout the film. You don't get that, you know. You know, so it's just you're in the moment. You're in this family's life in this moment. It goes from like day 89 to day 100 and something, you know, and it unravels. But, again, it's one of the new, I like to call them horror dramas. I like it. I guess it's extra stuff on the rewatch.

Yeah, instead of calling it the, I know Bill doesn't like this, the slow burns. That's just called the movie. Yeah, so. Horror drama. You know, it plays like an 824, Phil. Yeah, we gave some pretty good reviews here. What else you got to see? Aside from like our, oh, you know what I fucking saw this week?

This is Doubtfire. Hello. Oh, man, hysterical. It holds up. It was a run by fruiting. It holds up until the end. So I hate to go, you know, way off on a tangent, but just real quick. In the end, right, Pierce Bronson's character, he chokes on a shrimp, right?

And he says, oh, I'm allergic to pepper, right? Dude, you're allergic to pepper. You can't eat any of the fucking food probably. You don't think they use salt and pepper and everything. I thought you were going towards the fact that it's supposed to be a comedy, and the end is fucking depressing. Can I say fuck out here, by the way? Oh, yeah.

We are definitely an R-rated podcast. It's in the little intro that we didn't play before we started live. It'll be on the audio. By the way, guys, if you want to see the video of this, go check it out on YouTube under the Horror Mafia, I guess. I don't know where to go. Yeah, Horror Mafia podcast on YouTube. We don't have a ton of videos, but this one will be up there.

Cool, yeah. So if you want to hear the show live, hit pause and go check it out on the video. Check it out, yeah. As for a... Missed out by her real quick. So he comes back. He sees him choking on a shrimp across the restaurant.

He runs across, throws him the Heinlech maneuver, and he's all good. As somebody almost fucking died from a shellfish allergy, that's not the way it works. Well, that's a good point. He should have had him fucking choke on a shrimp, and that would have been that. True. Like, he could have spiced him up. You know, I saw hot pepper, spiced him up because it's fucking hot pepper. and, you know,

then he choked, done. Why does he have to do you? A little plot hole, you know, just a... Yeah. A little plot hole. Something I noticed that I didn't, you know. It was in a movie. Twenty, twenty-five years ago where I was not noticing that, you know what I mean?

I was more concerned with the, uh, the fake body and the kids laughing at him and... I wonder now that's a freaking... There's so many tangles. There's so many tangles. Like, could do, like, Hollywood effects. makeup on the guy. You know, I watch with my six-year-old daughter, and man, a lot of questions come up watching this movie.

Yeah, so he's my answer. Actually, she's five, not six yet. Shit, yeah. So watch this with the teenagers, they'll get a kick out of it. Like, a lot of stuff went way over her head, you know? Yeah, a lot of adult humor in it. I feel like it would have been rated R nowadays.

There's a lot of cursing in it. For a family movie. It'd be rated because it's smoking a cigarette now. Yeah, yeah. And a cartoon nonetheless, in the beginning, there's a scene where he's like voicing characters. And the cartoons are smoking cats.

Right. That's why he was mad. Smoking six, yeah. Oh, Donnie, did you see that's really great? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off there, do. Nah, just our Jersey Shore movies we talked about. And real quick, just one other movie next to the Guardians, two movies I watched my kid,

It's called Night Moves, K-N, Night Moves, starring Christopher Lambert. Huh. And what's his name? Alec Baldwin's brother, Daniel Baldwin. Okay. Stephen, Sean, Daniel. I forgot he has like eight brothers. And a very young Diane Lane.

So, 1990-something, I assume. Yeah, I saw a night moves. I'm kidding. It was great, actually. I enjoyed it. It's like a thriller. And the killer, you know, is, it's like chess-themed, hence night moves, you know. If you're a fan of Lambert, Highlander.

Most of you. Out there. And you're... More combat and nightmare. Night moves. Night moves. Yeah, check it out. It was interesting.

Not the best, but if you like those, those, like, early 90s, late 80s, like, thrillers, yeah, check it out. cool so um i think i thought i'm telling don't you to go next can i there's a list coming oh no we're gonna have no i'm sure i had to watch every ring every grudge and then i fought them off myself you'll fucking put right in top versus two top it's all ask brian what happened he'll get there no um i only got two uh two outside of her extra outside of the

two show podcasts. Both of them are reviews for other websites that I write for called Asian Film Vault. They should be online by the time that you hear this, but if not, no, fuck it. First one is a Kung Fu film from the 80s

called Holy Flame of the Marshall World. That sounds awesome. Dude, it is fucking phenomenal. It is one of those films where people spend half the film flying around instead of walking. They literally just fly into the air,

perform cartwheels and somersaults instead of walking. That's like their mode of transportation. It's like Crouching Taga hit in horror. Yeah, but so it's about the, these two, these warring clans are trying to get at this sacred scroll that contains the secret of the holy flame, which is actually,

it's not a flame, it's actually swords that have a crows. Crystal. Yeah, there are sorts that have a crystal in it, and they're supposedly like, you know, magical or mystical or whatever. And these clans are after this couple that possesses it. The couple gets killed and their two daughters, two kids are taken away. One by a good clan, one by the bad guys. And then they raise them up to fight each other. So now it's, yeah, Kylo Ren and Ray. Okay. Well, I would know. I don't know who the hell those are. I don't creep outside the horror genre.

But no, this is fun. I mean, you got people flying around on walls. You've got, you know, people shooting laser blasts out of their fingers. You've got people laughing, you know, they call it the devil's laugh, where they end up just laughing and it produces a gale storm wind that knocks people off their feet and sends them hurling 30 feet away. It's physics. Oh, dude.

Those are weird, man. There's a scene where a guy takes a running leap, hits, jumps across a 30-foot lake, hits a waterfall, flies through the hole in the back, without touching anything, stops in mid-air, does a triple somersault, and then lands on his feet, half and 30 feet inside the lake. I did that one time.

And it, yeah, he doesn't touch anything. Yeah, he doesn't touch anything. He makes like a 90-foot leap, does a triple summer assault, comes to a stop, and lands on his feet. So, yeah, you're not going to get any kind of realistic physics on this, but it's... Falling with time. Yeah, it's 90 minutes of pure martial arts mayhem. It is so much fun. So, yeah, the review for that one should be online soon.

The other one is somewhat related to this. I had to get one of these movies in. is a Japanese horror film called Kamara no towai-au. I love that. It translates to Don't Stop the Camera, but you'll find it under the title, One Cut of the Dead.

Don't stop the camera. Keep shooting. It's okay. No, okay, so check this out. This is incredibly creative. It's a film in two parts. The first half is a 40-minute-long one take sequence

one take 40 minutes and it's it Hitchcock did they no no it's like 40 minutes long yeah Hitchcock did a whole movie that way with one take

I would know I've never seen his work other than the only three that matter okay good what would those be psycho psychophrenzy and birds yeah psycho frenzy and birds the only ones that matter but yeah

so it's this director who's trying to shoot this low-budget zombie movie, but he's so pissed off at the incompetence and lack of professionalism from the actors and the crew that he summons a zombie horde from out of the ground to attack the crew so he can get realistic reactions from his cast. So these motherfuckers will wake up and go to work. Yeah. Lake me and bitches.

Why are the fucking effects guys. We don't need them. We'll just kill real people. So that's the first half of the movie. And then what we turn out, we find out, is that this is all part of a TV show. It's all a project by a network that's trying to do, you know, one-cut movies. And we go back and we see the casting process behind the scenes, the rehearsal footage. But we come to find out that the pressures of the filming make everybody like go batch it crazy.

So the actual 40 minutes that we see earlier, is actually just pure dumb luck and coincidences that he manages to pull off. Nice. So it's like, you know, the camera guy so drunk off his ass that he can't shoot a camera straight. So he's got to do found footage kind of filmmaking because he's dragging the guy around on the ground. So that way that's how you get the camera to, you know, jerk around all the time. Because he's... Is it, me and that it's two separate types of films that way?

Is it two different directors or one? No, it's one. It's presented as one movie. Okay. The first half is just the actual... like a presentation of the show that they're trying to film. And then they're going back and showing how they did it. Cool.

So it's not a true anthology, but it's actually, it's kind of, I don't know what to call it. It's a lot of fun. I get you. That's why I was going to two different directors or not. Yeah, no, it's one move. It's one, but, yeah, so, I mean, you get stuff like, you know, the sound guy, you know, ate too much sushi. So he's got the shits and he can't. can't sound. So he's got to, you know, have everybody stall for time while the guy gets his

shit off in the woods. Or he's got to, you know, reshoot around a zombie because the actor got so scared going live that he just got drunk off his ass and can't do anything. So, yeah, he's got to, you know, work as, he's got to work around all that. So, yeah, it was really fun. It's kind of cool and creative. I don't know if it's released in America yet, but when it does, you'll find it under one cut of the dead. Cool. Nice. So you jumped headlong into the Japanese horror this

week, huh? That's every week. Every week. When I do stuff like this, I dive head first. There you go, man. That's the way to do it. Bill, what did you see? I got to watch the first thing I saw this week was

I got a screener from Arrow video that was Killer Clowns from Outer Space. Oh, nice. Nice. I got that a couple of weeks ago, but I didn't get to watch it until this week. Awesome, awesome freaking movie still holds up. And the special features on this thing, you've got to see it.

I'm not going to give it away. There's so much stuff. And the second thing I watched this week was, believe it or not, not horror. It was The Office. I started watching that show The Office. Yeah? I love it. I've never actually seen it all the way through.

I've watched Parts of the Office. Same with me. I was the same way. I saw an episode of Parks and Rec. I saw the UK office. Like one episode didn't like it. But now I'm balls deep in the office, the U.S. American. There's a serial killer in the background of the show, which is really cool.

The Scranton Strangler. Yeah. I'm loving it, man. It's great. So those are the two things I've been watching. Oh, sorry, three things. Netflix has a new show with Joel McHale, the guy who was on, remember the show community?

Yeah. He did like Chalk Soup or something, huh? Right, he did the soup. He did a great outdoors. The great indoor. Yeah, great show. Yeah, I fucking love that show. So did I.

Piss as hell that they took that off. That was hilarious. Right. Well, he's got a show on Netflix. You've got to check it out. It's a weekly. It comes out new every Sunday. And they, like,

they go on, like, remember how, like, the soup would do the things that they find funny stuff on TV? Same kind of show, but with cursing. Oh. And you guys. And lots and lots of star, guest stars.

I love Casey. You want to piss your pants. Joel's at the National Corner will make you, oh, geez, you'll see. Just watch it. It's where Tash Point O got his idea, man. It's just like Tosh. Right. There's internet and shows.

Check it. And, in fact, we did a Jersey Shore episode for the Mafia last week. Well, I saw those clips first. on this show. Check it out, Joe. It's familiar. Yeah. It's called The Joel McHale show with Joe McHale.

You're going to name a show. Why the fuck not? Redundancy is redundant. Brian, man, you got a list? No, I was busy. I got one movie in. It's the first time watch for me. Demons from 1985?

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. I fucking love this movie. Yeah. I love the, I love the makeup effects, and there was a lot of gore. I mean, you got a, you got a fucking guy riding a dirt bike through a movie theater with a samurai sword.

Yes. Well, that they choose fast as a shirt. It's some badass song playing in the background. Fast as a shark during that sequence. Oh, that's a 10 out of 10 movie. I don't even have to review it. Nice. Yeah.

I mean, I figured. it's on shutter. Oh, go ahead. Yeah, no, just because you just be putting that song in there and that sequence makes out a 10 out of 10 movie. Yeah. I don't blame. Yeah, I figured it was on shutter and I never used my shutter account ever.

I know, right? I just started looking through and there's a lot of good movies on there. Yeah. A lot of them things that you're sitting there. Within the past year, they stepped it up big time. Yeah. And I've been trying to catch up on some Ash versus Evil Day. because y'all probably heard it has got canceled.

What? Oh, no. Well, that's our new segment that we missed. Sorry, Brian. But, yeah, that's... Yeah, that's pretty much all I got in. It was a busy week, so how about you? Man, I got kind of an uncool of the week.

I'm going to say the Walking Dead finale. was sort of a letdown. No spoilers. Yeah. Well, I don't know what spoilers to give you anyway, because nothing really fucking happened. You're not a lot about that program. Yeah, man.

It's, it's, it's, it's, it's been downhill for a little while. And that's, uh, I think that's maybe my uncool. Uh, my cool of the week, I, I, I really wanted to go see Super Troopers, too. I haven't had the opportunity yet. I'm going Saturday. Yeah, but I did rewatch the original Super Troopers and

awesome. Every effing scene in that movie is so funny. It is one of my favorites of all time. Have they ever made a bad movie though? Come on. Yeah, I mean, even their bad ones are pretty fucking good. So I'm looking forward to

my favorite flasher. Yeah. So I'm looking forward to Super Troopers too. Yeah. At some point, I will get away and get real blazed and go watch it. My man. Be best. Live like Phil, baby.

All right. I had a tough decision this week in the cinema. I wanted to see Ready Player 1. Oh, we still haven't seen that yet. Good. I still haven't seen it. But I was like, I got to go with a quiet place right now because it's a late, I went to the late showing. and it was an hour and a half versus two and a half or whatever, you know?

So I was like, well, that's chalking it up, but I was like, I got to throw it towards the horror genre. Maybe I'll catch Ready Player one this week, if not. Whatev's? Yeah. They're both a cool experience in the theater. A quiet place just because typically you don't end people who are talking about except apparently you, because somebody got eaten in the middle of it.

Joe, you have a movie pass, right? yes I do okay just made that for the jam yeah I came out in the movie and truth or dare was starting at like

you know 1205 and I was like I wonder if I could use this right now because I could check it yeah you could have but I didn't know I was shot

I was like I did oh really yeah it's good to know note that you know something to do double header

late night so ring you is going to be our first movie. Ragu. Ragu. Ragu. Ragu.

For that jaw sauce. Fuck me. Ringu. The ring. The Japanese version. The director is Hideo Nakata, also known for Ringu too. And dark water.

Oh, shit. You may remember that one. Now I was just, I watched the one with the cartoon lizard. I thought you guys talking about Rango. Oh, God damn it. I was going, why is this horror? He's neither Japanese nor horror.

Like Johnny Depp in a horror movie? What is this? Starring the Geico lizard. Yeah. Our writer was Hiroshi Takashi Takahashi, also known for Ringu too and don't look up. Shizuco Yamamura is based on a real person. Chizuco Donnie?

Don't help me out? So which one? Chizuco Bofune? Tomoko is she? I don't know. I think you're making names up here because I don't recognize that name anymore. The person is based on the real name.

Anyway, she was born in 1886. Yeah, Shizuco Yamamara. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. that's based on a real person. They were born in 1886 in Kamamoto Prefecture and was rumored to have the gift of foresight.

After a demonstration in 1910, she was proclaimed as a charlatan and committed suicide a year later by ingesting poison. So loosely based on a real person, craziness. Koji Suzuki

got his inspiration for Ringu, the novels, from his favorite horror movie, The Pulturegeist, which definitely shows up later on today. The highest grossing horror film in Japanese history, despite its super low budget.

What did you guys think of Ringu? Well, I'll give you my initial thoughts. It was the first time watch. I've seen the original, not the original, it's the original. I've seen the, you know, version when it came up and I was a teenager and uh you know that one when it came out I enjoyed it I haven't seen it since so I wonder how that would be you know holding up all these

years later but uh watching this one as the source you know I had an idea of it and uh man it was an experience I you know at the end I was just sitting there and all like wow this is a really well done film um especially night this is 1998 it came out So, you know, precursor to all the cliche that now you see, right? With the, I watched, I rated a, I reviewed a movie last year for, I think, bloody bits or hardtalk.com, I don't remember. But, you know, the antagonist was, you know, girl, long black hair, right, covering a face. And what, what are we here? 2018?

It's 2017 last year. So. And 20 years later, man. You know, they're still using this, you know, it's now become a staple in the genre. So, you know, this is a iconic film right here. And, you know, you got to think about things here, you know, what is, you know, what is the catalyst to making this film, right? But like you said, I didn't know, it was based on a true, a true character? True person.

A little more inside of thinking. No, Sadako is not based on a person. Her mother is. right the mom the psychic the mother is the psychic but what is yeah the mother is not satanic uh interesting here see i didn't know i didn't know that see i'm thinking like you know maybe they made this because of like technology right i mean at the time you know you have now this new thing called the DVD you have this new thing called the internet versus

the internet you know that thing that we're on right now what the fuck is either hey it's that invisible shit that connects us all

you know it's that visible shit that connects us all that's it you know but I'm just in my mind like you know

I read a lot of Kurt Vonnegut Ray Bradbury and you know all their literature is about you know government politics

um technology and how it all affects humanity. So I'm going in thinking like, you know, this might be some kind of, you know, experience that technology, experience, some kind of message that technology could wipe us out, right? 1951's The Pedestrian by Ray Bradbury is a society where everybody lives in an apartment with an air conditioning unit and a constant TV broadcast where, you know, you just become the robot and you're just like that cattle that's hooked up.

and a, you know, to some tubes and used to produce milk. You know what I mean? And that's it. Waste the way. So anyway, I kind of paralleled it to something like that where, you know, this tape is now, you know, slowly snowballing and starting to wipe out humanity. So, I mean, that that's the kind of lens I came at, the film, you know, after watching and I'm like, you know, what was this movie really about next to the horror aspect to it? because, I mean, you guys know. We're all genre enthusiasts.

There's a lot of subtext and sociopolitical talk and stuff like that behind the actual events on the screen, even though some of us don't like looking at it like that, right? Because it gives me a headache. Hey, T. Hi. Oh, yeah, we have a special guest here tonight. Sorry, my smoke alarm was going off at my apartment. I had to go check it out.

Falcom. How's going on? Oh, better now that I think is okay. Welcome and bienvening. Great way for me to shut up and segue to somebody else. All right, I'll take it. I'm not going to go deep into the stuff behind what I thought, but I did see the, I saw Ringu first, and then I saw the American version.

Oh, really? Yeah, and I got to say, I owned Ringu first on a bootleg. I got from some convention. and I got to say I loved the first time I saw it, right? But I have to say that this is one of the first times I said, wow, the American remake

is actually better than the Japanese original. Even though it was the same director, wasn't it? Yeah, no, the Nagata did the second one. Oh, the guy did, the second one did the first American one? No, Nagata did

ring two. The American remake? No, the American Ring one. I know. American Re-Whorbensky. Oh, that was Gore-Virbinski? I didn't realize that. Oh.

Gore-Vibinsky from Pirates of the Caribbean. Yeah, I know who he is, and I had no idea he did that, but I got to say, I thought it wouldn't better. Because I don't have it. Bill, let me ask you. Don, what you? No, I was going to say, Vribinski did part one, and then Nagata did part two. Gotcha. In the American versions.

Yes. In the American versions, right. Okay. I wanted to ask Bill, you know, what was it that you like better about it? And in my head, like, I haven't seen that movie in 20 plus years. But I'm thinking maybe the pacing here because in this version there was like definitely a lot of slow scenes, a lot of long shots. No, no, I like that. I don't mind the slow. You call slow burn. I know. No, I don't mind that. What I thought was that things like it looked ultra low budget and the fact that, uh,

in the American ones when she killed somebody right Sadaku killed someone you saw their faces were contorted their bodies even though it was a PG movie it looked shocking opening scenes yeah yeah and in the original one

it was just like a freeze frame on black and white and I was like yeah okay but little things like that and the build up with attention I thought was a lot better done in the American version don't get me wrong

I don't hate this movie by any means I love, right, right. I know, of course. But it just didn't work this time for me that it did 20-something years ago. Nice. Yeah. Donnie, which, thank you. You agree?

No, I'm, I still have the, this one over the remake. Not by much, but I have it over it. Did you see this one first? No, I saw the remake first. Okay. I have a story about that, trust me. I have a story about that. I'm sure you do.

No, it's the same one. I told you guys the audition boxer's omen story, that applies to Ringu. So, yeah, I'll tell you guys afterwards. All right. But, yeah, no, this is like the second or third time I've seen the original, and there's a strange issue I have with it, and I don't know if we were going to go deep into that later on. But it's one issue that's just always nagged at me, and it's something that I've never quite been able to explain why it lowers the film for me, but it just does for some reason.

But other than that one problem, I don't have much else wrong with it. It's a lot of fun. It's definitely creeping and eerie. Although one thing I did want to touch on with Joe was that the long-haired ghost girl look that you see Sadako have, that's actually a Japanese, not stereotype, but it's more of like a cultural paradigm. It's called an onry. And it refers to

a malicious spirit. I can explain that, you know, for ages. Like an urban legend, basically. Right, right. Not necessarily urban legend. Their lore. Not urban, no, it's not urban legend.

It's closer to lore, like what Bill said. Okay. Yeah, it goes back to samurai days where or stories would revolve around people meeting malicious spirits and ghosts. And they were called oneries in the original language, which was malicious spirit. That's the direct translation as best they can make it.

And that was always the look that they had. It was pale face, long black hair, and completely white. There's a film from, well, there's, numerous adaptations going back, you know, from 1800s even, a story called Yatsiya Kaidan that employs that kind of white-faced black-haired ghost girl. And it's been a staple of Japanese society for hundreds and hundreds of years. So it's not just Sadako that's that popularized it. It's just that's the first one that made it to America.

Right. So, yeah, and others. From the Kabuki mask. Right, exactly. sort of where it came from because the original Yatsia Khadana story that I mentioned, it is a Kabuki play. Yeah,

so Yatsia Khadan, for those interested, is an adaptation. Both of you were interested. Like I said, I can explain this for hours. I've gone into this in detail. But it's always, it's been the pale

face, the white, the white clothes, the black hair. And that's always sort of just embody the Japanese spirit. And you can see that in movies from the 50s and 60s even. So it's not just, you know, modern day times like, you know, Ringu and Juwan and, you know, some of the other ripoffs that came out in its wake. It's, it's been a staple of the country's output for decades and probably even hundreds of years. Yeah, yeah.

Which is cool because it's kind of the creepy Japanese culture that has, you know, finally, made its way to America the original movie The Ring, you know? Well, I guess it's three men, but you know. I mean, you know, I, there's probably, you know, other words and other cultures for the same kind of like, you know, I guess not deities,

apparitions, spirits, ghosts, basically. Right? Yeah. But they're vengeful, right? The Japanese ghost story. Yeah. Right. You know, I'm sure like if you, you know, this is all the way in east, you look all the way in the west and some, you know, old school Native American texts.

I guarantee they have, you know, a similar ghost, you know, maybe not the same appearance. Maybe more like wolf-like, right? But they didn't have a VHS. I'm sorry? Like a Wendigo. You mean like a Wendigo. Yeah, Wendigo, right. Yeah, there you know.

So, you know, it's pretty cool that, you know, this stuff links up, like, you know. La Girona. Rona, right, Spanish, Mexican, right. There you go. Well, I mean, I just, you know, it just, to me, that kind of just embodies, you know, like the primal fear of, like, like a humanity thing where it's, you know, how would all of these cultures have a similar

story if they never met each other? Because there's some creepy shit going on. What you're saying is it looks fucking creepy in every culture. That's why. But I'm saying is that, you know, how would they have been. able to figure to come up with that concept if they never met each other. You know, it's just it, you know, it's like I said, it's the primal, it's a primality, primal fear of mankind that it has to connect to.

I agree with you, man. I like it. Brian, what you think, buddy? Before I go, we got someone joining us. I think she should introduce us up. Yes, she should. Oh, I'm Tanya. What did you think, Taney?

I'm with Bill. I saw the remake first back when it came out on VHS, not VHS, but DVD. As most people probably did. Yeah. Yeah, my dad had a video store. I watched it, I rented it from him and watched it. She had to rent movies from her dad. How fucked up is that?

If it was new, I had to run it. Hey, there was only so many back in the day. But he couldn't let her watch the 17-over movies because she wasn't 17. I'm kidding. I have no one. It was 30s. They're still not old enough. No, I like the remake better.

I don't know. To me, remake was, for me, it was scarier. Scary, right. I agree. Yeah. They had a little better budget, so they had some better special effects and stuff. Yeah. Not only that, just the way, for me at least, the buildup for the suspense was better.

He saw more of Sadako Joey You're watching it The end The verses Hey now he's caught up I'm right I thought your kitchen's still awake

I fell asleep I knocked out on the guys You know Typical Joey You know Hey I got it in time for the segment There you go

What do you think about the Japanese version, though? Okay, so the American version you liked better. I get that. Yeah. Was this one pretty good for you? I really liked. I really enjoyed this one. Yeah.

I was surprised. It wasn't as scary to me. Maybe it's because I knew what was going to kind of happen versus when I saw it the first time, the remake. I didn't know what was going to happen. Now, does it fall into the category of like must watch horror? You know, I think so. Like as far as, you know, Exorcists, Evil Dead, the thing. I think it does.

Yeah. You or the Ringgoo or the Ring. I think you should watch both. Oh. I mean, it's almost symbiotic. Cover song would be better than the original. We're going back to that conversation. The blob, the fly.

Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to revisit it. I saw rings last year when that came out. Nobody stopped right there. Yeah. I was just going to say it. You know, I didn't think it was as bad as I thought it was going to be.

No, I didn't see that one. I didn't even see Ring TV. I want to see all that shit. Well, I think if I saw Ringu first, I would be, I would have been scared. But where I saw the remake first, I was scared. I knew it was going to happen. I was, but not as much as the ring. Yeah.

Yeah. It was definitely. very creepy. And, you know, the atmosphere. I like that they don't, you know, give it all away, right? Like, it's not like she's popping up on the screen from the gecko all over the place. You know, you get that little, especially knowing this. Like, so, you know, looking at it for the first time, no watch, you know, you see this little arm about to come out of the well and then the tape cuts out.

You know, seeing the original, I keep saying the original, seeing the American version, right, even though I didn't see this. it's almost like seeing it already. So I know what's about to go down. And it's like, you know, that suspense right there. So, you know, it works, you know, both ways if you watch the American one first, that one first. But, you know, the fact that it came from a novel, man, I would love to delve into that and see what's. Because, you know, you go into a book. It changes everything.

I mean, you can be in these categories. If you're going to go for the novel, there's actually a 1995 TV adaptation that's even more faithful than this one is. I've got that too. It's called what's it called? Is it happen? No, no, it's called. Reisen. Oh. Risen. No. Raisin, no, that's

not. That's a sequel. No, it says it's a sequel. No, it says short movies that were inspired to make a ring. No, Raisin is a sequel. You like to see the box. It says it's what inspired the ring. I don't know. I'm just saying,

I know that Raisin is based on the sequel novel to the ring. Belakou versus Danaku. Benaku and Danaku. No, Raisin is based on the sequel novel spiral. All right. I'll be right back. Hold on.

I can only imagine what his video collection looks like. He has everything. He has so much. Man, it's definitely classic for me. well Brian you want to go first you want me to go I'll go real quick I thought it was well made well acted but I was bored as shit

there's nothing they watched this video over and over for an hour and 20 minutes and you don't see oh guys there it is what's that saying hold on your camera's not on the sun you want the truth put it back on it's too much glare i can't see

all right hold on there's too much glare i can't see all right one of the films that inspired the ring one of that yeah yeah one of yep it inspired the ring qualities we'll get into that it's not a sequel but you didn't give it to me I received it

Rip it Oh yeah Go ahead Brian I'm sorry I was Nothing happened for almost an hour and a half And then you just went I think this is one of the rare times Where a remake is actually

For me personally Better than the original I agree Brian Yeah And I'm get a lot of shit for this, but I will probably never watch this movie ever again. I could definitely understand that 100%.

I mean, if I never watch it again, it's not the underworld. So it brings that good question up, you know, where, you know, Nightmar and Elm Street, Friday 13th, Evil Dead, right? The Iconics. Is it really on that list, you know? Well, I think in combination with the English version, I think it's on that list. Because I think in the remake, the English version, they basically redid the same movie. I mean, there was a couple of things that were changed, but more or less they kept the story the same. And just put in English actors, which with a bigger budget and better special effects.

Right. I felt like you could tell during Ringu that the special effects were obviously low budget, like you were saying, the black and white thing instead of actually going to the face of the dead people. It was definitely creepy. I think it's, I think it's, I think it's definitely a must watch at least once. You know, just go see it if you've never seen it. I mean, it's part of the crucial canon. but it's not part of, you know, somebody's personal, I mean, it could be part of somebody's personal favorites,

but it's not one of those, you know, it's like when you watch a slasher movie, right, like you come back to that antagonist, you know what I'm saying? Where here it's like, you know, this is a film. This is not, you know, like this should not have been a constant array of sequels. Or maybe it should have. I don't know, Don, you tell us, you've probably seen them all. But, you know, like, put this. next to rings, it's like you don't need rings.

Oh, right. But it's like, you know, the first Friday the 13th movie, you know, is basically what this is in Japanese. And I think the American version was scarier, but I, they're both pretty classic, man. But then you take Friday the 13th and you put it the American version. The remake version. I like a Japanese version of the American version. Did you imagine a Japanese version of that? They don't know.

He may be wearing some kind of other kind of mask. You don't like Kevin Bacon. Socky had Jason. It looked like a caters mask instead. And sake in the other hand. Yeah. I do have a question about this, though, the ringgo. Oh, wait, hold on.

So Friday 13th, you put a bigger budget, right? Some, you know, better actors, quote unquote. It's called 2009. Yeah, they did that. Yeah. And it's definitely not better than the original. No, but still good. But they also didn't, like, retell the exact same story, and they did it, you know.

Uniquely, right, right, right. Like, in this one, it was replacing foreign, for domestic. Sure. To get the other thing. Yeah. And I think that they did it really well. They kept a really cool Japanese feel to it. Sure.

And it started a whole Japanese horror trend. Oh, phenomenal. In fucking America. With everybody like dark water and the polls. Americans were not really familiar with. And that's probably one of my favorite horror styles. I like it, man. It was

I do like the American version better, but I think this is a classic. It's super cool to go back and watch where the roots came from. Yeah, I'm with you, man. 100%. Wow. Yeah. Although I did have one question at the end. Oh, yeah, go ahead.

I had an idea. At the end of the movie, she's trying to figure out what she did that he didn't do, right? Oh, yeah. Why she survived. And I'm like, well, you hug the fucking waterlogged corpse

of the dead girl. Well, yeah, that'll do it too. So I thought maybe that was why she lived, because she hugged the dead body. But that's not what the guy with the towel on his head told her. That's what I'm saying. She's like, wait, she's like, what did I do? That was different. Yeah, they connected some weird dots in the Japanese one I thought made a little more sense than the American version.

So, yeah, that's kind of weird. Plus, she was like, I mean, you know, just. just the acting on it and all. Like the chick was super erratic. When some happened, she'd be like freaking the fuck out. And, ah, who's in a way, who are? You can't blame her. You know?

One day left. Come on. But, but no, it was still a good watch, man. Definitely worth, worth checking out. What do you guys think on scores? Hmm. I'm at a solid four to five. Out of five?

I think it's a great film. It does hold up, but at the same time, you know, I'm not going to be revisiting this one again anytime soon. You know, I mean, I might down the line, you know, if we ever get into a franchise retro or something like that. But, you know, it's not like I'm going to have a Blu-ray on standby ready to go. It's not like a year to watch. But it's a great film. I'll just say this, Joe. There's 14 films in the franchise.

guys, I don't think we're doing a retrospective. No. Those Japanese. Yeah, I've got like four of them. I wonder they were so excited about that Sadaku versus Yeah. Or whatever. I got Ring zero.

I got a ring two. I got a ring. What all ring, what is, is, man? 37 and a half. I don't have 3D, though. 3D or the last one, last year's one? I don't have. Hey, um.

Well, there's actually, yeah, there's a couple. Yeah. Go ahead, John. Don. No, I wasn't saying anything. Okay. Phil, what is your rating score from one to what? We usually do one to ten, but one to five was old.

Then just double it. Yeah. It was a pretty kick-ass score, man. So you're saying four to five out of five, that's... That's an eight. That's fucking classic, man. Eight out of ten. Eight at a ten.

Eight at eight. I can go 8 too if you're doing that scale Yeah All right Yeah same here 8 Wow I'm going 7 and a half

You gotta be No I'm not trying to be It's just the fucking black and white Still frame thing It gets me every time Yeah 7 a half It's almost great

Four Four just because it's got so many roots in the American version. The American version, I'll give it eight and a half. That's exactly what I was saying, dude. Eight and a half of the American, seven and a half of the Japanese, yeah. I think they're both on a must-watch list if you're checking out horror movies. Agreed.

Yeah, agreed. Okay. On to our second movie of the evening. The Grudge. Oh, you said Brandon's on? No, Jew on. Speaking of Jews. Speaking of Jews.

I get it. On our YouTube. On our YouTube. On our YouTube. I did Nazi that coming. Ouch. On our YouTube chat right now, Jeremy Friedman from 22 shots.

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So Juon the Grudge. Trivia. We got the director and writer, Takashi Chimisu, also known for the U.S. version of the Grudge. And reincarnation. this film is the third installment of the Ju-on series. Fourth. Fourth. Yeah, if you go and try to look it up, man,

there's a bunch of other Ju-on stuff that's not the grudge. So be aware of that. Yes. I'm like messaging the group. Am I watching the right movie, guys? I was trying to show you pictures. This one, not this one. There's a lot of

Blue Boys and all these movies. The Blue Boys You watch a lot of movies of Blue Boys is a problem. So there's like Jew on the Curse and the Curse 2. Yeah. Right.

Their storylines are all continued in this sequel. Is that right? Yes. No. One bleeds in, Joe on the Curse 1 bleeds into Jew on the Curse 2. Storylines from Jew on the Curse 2 bleed into,

you on the Grudge 1. Okay. Right. That makes sense. Which all bleeds in a one, though, the curse. So, the father, with the thing. Kayako and Toshio are based on the Japanese legends of the Onrio, a vengeful spirit that was unlike Western ghosts, which we talked about already, actually. Kind of the same stuff that the ring was based on.

It can physically manifest to attack and kill victims, whereas our ghosts are just, energy and can't. Yeah. So the manifest when they are killed is in the state of a deep rage, as it explained by the opening title card. Thus the whole

grudge situation. So what did you guys think about that one? Joey, we'll go to you first. Again, I'll kick it off. We're going on order, man. I got it. Actually, unlike the ring

where, you know, it wasn't the ring. Unlike Ring, 1999, Bafanguta, set of Ming, Butan, instead of Ring, I thought, I thought this movie was boring. There you go. Yeah? Yeah. I'm feeling how Brian felt

about Ring with this one. I caught myself, well, I think the fact that I was confused is all hell, plays a major factor in here. I'm watching the movie and I'm like, I can't tell who's who, what's going on? It's breaking up. There's just like, you know,

a Japanese symbol on the screen. I don't know what the fucking means. Like, what is this? A new chapter, a new segment, a new day. I have no clue. Very Pulp Fiction style, huh? Oh, yeah. So, you know,

Oh, crap, that's how they make that movie? I'm going to fuck that shit then. I don't mean to watch it. Yeah, but see, when you watch Pulp Fiction, it makes sense because, you know, you can follow along as it's in English, you know? it's not like you have to

manage reading subtitles while listening to a native language. I manage this one just fine watching watching it in subtitles. Not me. I was like, dude, what the fuck? I was just sitting there scratching my head. Although by the end it starts to

make a little more sense. See, I never saw the American grudge. I don't know anything about this franchise at all. Oh. So going in, no. absolutely nothing, right? Makes it hard to follow. Where when, you know,

I've seen the ring, so I had an idea of it. So when you watch it, you know, there's a little bit of familiarity, right? Where here, I was just like thrown into the deep end of this franchise. And like I said, I'm like trying to figure out, I'm reading Wikipedia synopsi to figure out if I'm watching them. and it's all the same characters, fucking killing cats and their wives.

And I'm like, dude, what the fuck? It's the same thing. So in my head, and according to what I read and I thought, I thought that the curse and the curse too were television versions, and then eventually made into feature films, the grudge and the grudge to. No? Is that not right? You're close.

No. Jew on the Curse is a continuation actually of a Japanese TV series called Gakonokai Dan. That was originally a Japanese movie from 1995. That produced three theatrical sequels and then two television sequels. Now, the theatrical sequels were titled One, Two, and Three, and Four. And then the television adaptations were F and G. and Gakonokai Dan G is the starting point for the Grudge, or the Ju-on series. So they had a whole...

This just picks up in the middle of a giant series. Right, yeah. The Gakonokai-Dan series, the two, if you pick up the DVD edition of the American remake, you'll get two Japanese short films on the... Blu-ray. Those are the segments from Gakonokai Danji that spin off from the Ju-on series. If you have the DVD, if you have the DVD, those are included as extras to give you an idea of where the franchise starts. Now, Gakonok, now, Ju-on-the-Curse one basically starts off where you realize Toshio is, Toshio's dead, and his school teacher is going to find out

what happened to him. And then he falls. under the curse of the curse of it. But then it also goes back in details how Kayako and Tosio were killed. Oh. And then there's another story that details a schoolmate, a friend of theirs, a friend of Kayako, not Kayako. There's these schoolchildren, you know, one of those, you know, the urban legend of the house and all that.

They end up getting caught into it. And then in part two, that storyline is continued where, One friend is killed in Jew on the Curse 1. The other friend is killed in Jew on the Curse 2. And then in Jew on the Curse 2, you get the girl Izumi that ends up getting killed here in Jew on the Grudge 1. So when you see, right, the sequence where she's looking at the photographs and she sees all the friends with the blacked out eyes, those are the people from the three films. Because her friend is included in it. that's Jew on the Curse 1 and Jew on the Curse 2 that they're included.

So that makes sense because they acted like you were supposed to know some sort of backstory during this one. Right, yes. Yeah. Are you any of the other ones on the same level as this? The American Part 2 is actually kind of complex because there's three stories in that one. There's the, you know, the sister from part 1, she's, you know, the sister from part 1, she's, you know, know, the Sarah Michelle Geller, her sister's trying to figure out what happened to her, and then she falls under the curse. Then you see the sequence where, you know, the girl from, you know, the apartment building, she's being stalked by the girl.

And then there's the three school children that you see getting attacked. Now, in the Grudge part two, the second storyline, that continues off into the Grudge Three, the made for TV sequel. that spins off into that one but then the other two storylines end up and they're completed in the grudge too that's the only one Final Fantasy games with the titles

Final Fantasy 2 is really Final Fantasy 6 however Final Fantasy 4 is really Final Fantasy 3 and 5 what? What would you think about this one? I mean Oh me? Does well I mean

Donnie does this does this fall into classic horror movie? Is this does this make the list as far as Japanese horror goes? I'm not going to beat around the bush. Alongside Hal Su and Boxer Zomen,

this is among my top three favorite Asian horror films. I don't have a favorite, but that's my top three. Halsu, Juo, Juo Juana Gou on the Grudge and Boxer Zomen. That's my top three. Interesting.

See, I found this, I don't know, like at the end, After I figure out, like, okay, all these little stories, our little stories, you know, broken up into chapters by character. Each section, I guess, is named the character's name. So, you know, if I would have known that, it would have made a little more sense watching the film. I think when the scares happen, they happen effectively. That's what I love about it. Right.

The look at the film. That's what I look about. Yeah, the look at the little blue boy and the chick. I think they look, well, no, the chick did not look good actually in this film. No, the special effects. No, the special effects. Even at the end? Oh, at the end, yeah.

That just shadows you see throughout the film. Oh, I got to. Yeah, when you get the actual reveal, yeah, when you get the reveal, it's good. But, you know, it's like you see the shadow, just like little black box. lob thing. This was after the ring in 2002. So I was like, dude, you know, these effects sucked. But, you know, budget, I don't know what the budget was or anything.

So, yeah, I was a little taken back by those effects. Like, oh, what's up with that? But again, the scares were done effectively, I thought. But I thought there was a lot of a lot of time just play. playing through here, scenes are just playing out slowly, slowly until you get to the scares. And I don't know, maybe I was taking aback because I was trying to figure it all out, you know, so I couldn't really focus on when your brain is churning like this, you know, it's hard to just sit back and really be like, all right, let me take it all in, you know. Yeah.

Trying to like. Because then you got to figure out where you're at with each new person when they just throw you in the middle of it. Yeah, I'm like, I don't know. It's bad enough. I can barely say these people's names. Now I've got to keep track of them. Yeah.

After the scene with... Hayako, Sadaka. I don't know the fucking different names. Like 15 minutes in, it's like the chick's cleaning the house and I'm like, is she related to this lady or is she just a social worker that's really nice? I thought the same thing. I was like, is that? Okay, now that's not the same chick.

I'm pretty sure. When the beds were hung out to drive with a poop stick. You know, right? That was a good social I really can. And dude, what's up with these movies and social workers? Like, I feel like the other movie, too, was about a social worker.

No, she was a reporter in the Ringo. But he's not about the other one. The verses. Oh, and Satako? Oh, okay, yeah. Okay, we'll get to that. I was just curious if that was, yeah, a theme throughout the franchise.

I thought it was cool in this one. No, that did. I mean, I think it's just No, it's just Japanese heritage. You take care of your elders. It's their culture. They'd have people for it. Lawfare workers. Yeah.

It's like, nobody's heard from you. Let me come check up. More like the police will be kicking in your door here in the U.S. and you're, you know, you're doing something wrong. Nobody's heard from you for a week. It's kicking your fucking door. But over there, they send a, you know, a silver alert. spoken woman to come make sure everything's okay.

Okay. Yeah. I thought that was interesting, though, having, the character could have been anything, you know, but a social worker, right? Yeah. You know, somebody who tries to help the situation, Bill's favorite

SJWs, right? Yeah. Bill and Tanya, what did you guys think? well um i will go first tanya is that okay yeah all right i was biting my tongue the whole time you guys are talking uh i'm one of the people who saw the curse first and curse two

so yeah and i love both of those movies however the they were shotty shot on video crap like the effects sucked and it was like watching a whole movie of like a guy shooting with his friggin cell phone but the story was great And the idea was awesome. So going into the grudge, I was blown away. I fucking love this movie.

All right. Knowing that it's like kind of an anthology on everyone who dies in the house, like it shows their name. It's like their story on how they died. And knowing all this to begin with. And the first thing I thought of was pulp fiction for horror. So yeah, you guys took that for me. Sorry.

All right, buddy. In fact, no, I know. knew what was going on. I loved it. I sat back. I said, wow, this, the production value is so much better. In addition to the creepy-ass effects, like, just walking through a scene and, like, seeing the kid in the background and not focusing on that, but you see it as the viewer. Amazing. Some of the scariest frigging camera work ever without using, like, digital effects or special effects of any kind, just a pale kid in the background or under the covers.

Like, the lady, holy crap. Yeah. Yeah. This terrified me. This movie is one of my favorite Asian films of all time. So I got to hand it to him. Never bored me for a second. I was all in from the get-go.

This is amazing. This is how you do a jump scare without a cheap jump scare. Just have a kid meowing. It's interesting how, like, you know, going in with knowledge of the other stuff, you know, enhances that experience. Yeah. where going in knowing absolutely nothing. Like, I didn't even know what kind of a ghost or anything. Oh, right.

I didn't know what they were thinking about it. This was the first one on the franchise I saw. So I was going in blank when I first saw it. Because I saw this even before I saw the remake. Really? Me too. And I got to say. No, I saw this one before the remake.

Yeah, me too. And the fact is, once you see the remake, I'm like, God, does the remake suck? Really? I think so? Yeah. I did not. like that at all. This is the one I've seen.

I haven't seen the remake. Yeah, the remake's like a manufactured, like cookie cutter, thriller, PG-13. Sarah Michelle Geller. Sir Michelle Geller. And then I thought it was Jennifer Love Hewitt for some reason. I'm mistaken the name. Sorry. They fall in same guy.

Big moods and different colored hair, right. And but yeah, she moves to Japan. The same kind of story, just not as good. It was all paint by numbers. This, you ain't. fucking safe if you're a kid. If you're a fucking nobody is safe. If you step foot in that house, you're dead.

No matter what. It's all amount of like when and how. And some of the scariest ghosts I ever saw. Another thing I was going to mention was the fact that in Japanese culture, ghosts can kill you. Not like here where they slam doors and like open a drawer. No. Like polter guys? No. Bullshit.

This shit, they kill you. Yeah. I'm never moving to Japan then. Right. Japanese goes, mean motherfuckers. Yeah. And they don't discriminate. It's like you're a kid. I don't care.

You're dead. Anybody walks into this house, you're dead. There's no way to escape it. And everybody, can you imagine, like, all the police who came in to investigate? They all died. They showed that in the movie. They mentioned it. Oh, yeah.

Nobody survives. Whoever walks in. And I thought that was kind of a cool little slight difference to it. It was, you know, it had kind of an urban legend field to it. Yes. Where everybody knew what was. happening and they were just like, yep, this is what sucks and you can't do anything about it. So don't go in that house.

Don't go to it. And they were like wondering like the only guy who survived. You know, why he didn't go in the first time? Then he did. Right. Then he gets some weird shit like you see. He sees his own daughter in the future and she sees him. And that comes into come to play later when she goes to his ghost and says, I saw you that day.

Like, oh, everything about this. Was it a future thing that he saw? It was. Him it was. He was alive. Oh. He's in the future. Yes, he's in the future, yeah. Right.

It was a little confusing with the different stories for every person. Sure. I get that. But after you watch it, watch it again and say, okay, now I get it. Because she says to his ghost, Dad, I saw you there at that house that day. And he looks at her pathetically. I was like, oh.

So, yeah, I mean, everything about, this is one of my favorite or Asian movies of all time. Yeah, top three for me. I'll go with that. What do you think, Brian? About Tanya. That's her first time watch, by the way. Yeah, I haven't seen any of the Grudge movies. Oh, wow. This is the first one I've ever seen, and this really creeped me out.

Yeah? I woke up and saw that lady hanging upside, bending over upside in for me. Oh, my God. God damn kid with the cat mouth? Or lift up your covers and there's the glare of the girl pulling you under? What? Just pop it out of your bra. Yeah.

That was, oh, that's horrifying. I think I probably would have died of our attack right there. Yeah, this movie definitely creeped me out. Without being, like, so terrifying that you can't watch. It's so good that you want to see more. Yeah. And, like, there's a background where you don't, They don't, like you said, they don't focus on him, but he's there.

Yeah. They did the other, well, we'll get there. Yeah. Which is cool, considering it's got subtitles, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Although our subtitlegged might have a bootleg from 90s or whatever, whatever came out in 2000. Mm-hmm.

And some of the subtitles were hilarious. I don't know if you guys saw the same thing. What was some of them? We are suck. Yeah, we are suck. I don't think I saw that one. There's a lot of them. When they showed like the missing.

girls on the three on the poster what did it say um um um find friendship or something like find us no i was learning something i was like i bet they do find us find us something oh it was so funny like find a friend or something i'll take screenshots i'll throw them on you guys say that's that's that's the downfall of some of these is that they lose a little bit in translation oh yeah i mean they're repeated though it just a same Every time they'd show that, it was the same thing, and we'd laugh. You know, they can never get that dialect exactly right, you know, like what you would be saying in English compared to what you would be saying in Japanese.

So it's always a little bit of a difference watching the foreign films. Yeah. It worked. What do you think, Brian? This one I was way more entertained. Better than the... Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, my version I watched, I did not get no subtitles at all.

At all? So you just watched it in Japanese and went? Yeah, and added on. And the added factor that I've not seen the previous two, I was at a loss for trying to find what the story was about. But overall, I did like the look of the kayaku. Is that how you say it? Yep. Very creepy.

Very creepy, especially the whole movement. when she comes down the stairs, that the sound she makes. Final scene. That little boy gives me every time he pops up on the screen. But, um, covers when he's just like, oh. Yeah.

But overall, watching this, this definitely makes me want to go and watch the previous two, because I, it got me. It got my interest. So just don't be put off by the really low budget they had. Okay. Yeah,

they're made for, they're made for, for TV movies. Really? Yeah, they're made for TV movies from 20 years ago in Japan. And they look like...

It's like watching... It's like watching an asylum film, basically. No. Sylon films have better quality than this. Yeah. Someone shot it on an SV camera, like a video camera.

Oh, yeah. I was digging this one more than the, more than the Rangu movie. Me too. Special effects and all that stuff. Well, it wasn't really special effects, dude.

It was just the, way they use the effects. Yeah. Well, yeah, like you were saying, I mean, you know, they got a kid off in the background. A kid might paint in the background, or they cut him to a bed and they shoot away, yeah. There was a scene where they just showed him in the reflection of a door, and

if you weren't paying attention for that, like, quarter of a second scene, then you would have missed it, yeah. You pay attention to me, holy shit, that's creepy. Right, but everything that they did was really super creepy. It was...

That kind of a jump skaters and tension. I, that peekaboo trick that they play. Dude, that was the fucking stole the movie that guy. Yeah. Yeah. That picaboo.

Yeah. Oh, man. He's checking out her ass. Yeah. He's like, Picaboo, there's your ass. That guy stole the movie.

No, I think I like this one even better. It came out a couple years later. so, you know, they had some stuff to go on, but as far as Japanese horror goes, I mean, it was pretty on point. I mean, they were creepy as hell. I think the American version to me was kind of the same movie. It's been a long time since I remember it or since I've seen it, so it's kind of hard to remember. But it sounded like it was about the same sort of movie.

with slightly better special effects, sort of like the ring was. Really? I thought it was like CGI crap with a cookie cutter plot that was... They did the CGI thing and they had some cookie cutter stuff in it, but like the scene in the shower,

I remember in the American version, like the hands are coming out of the back of her head and it was quite shit. And in this one it was just the hands that were in the back of her hair. like Kayako was in the shower with her which is creepy in a whole different sense

but this one I can actually say holds up to the American version it may be better I really loved it I think this was a better watch than than Ringu yeah I agree all right scores

I disagree with all you So what's the thing, Joey? What do you score it on 1 to 10? I'm in at a 7. I think it's good. I think it's not. I think I was underwhelmed and also confused, which definitely, you know, when you're a little,

when you got that little fire inside, you're just a little fucking angry and you're like, fuck, not as focused. But I mean, I think if I went in and watch this without the anxieties of trying to get it in time for the show. I'm trying to figure out what exactly is going on and have time to really digest it all and that I kind of understand the plot a little more. It might be a different experience.

But I got to say, definitely, I want to see the American version. It definitely, I'm not too interested in the television movies. But I'm interested in this world, right? that it could build. I mean, if you think about it, you have this house, anybody that goes in it is going to die. So this house is going to, you know, live on before.

It's going to have some kind of time frame, right? A house is built, taken down. But maybe a new, you know, say, like a condo is built there, right? Next thing you know, there's even more people getting wiped out, but they can all have their own individual stories. It's not the land. It's the house itself. Man, I don't fucking move, Bill.

I'm just fucking trying to project you. You know, I'm thinking like, yeah, like, you know, pet cemetery style. Flame throw or burn it down. Yeah, from the outside, damn. That's what they tried to do and then he didn't fucking do it. Right, but he tried. The house ain't going anywhere, you know? The house won't let him do it.

That's the thing. That's why you stand outside and do it. It's curse. He tried. He was going to go out there and just burn it. Yeah, he went inside. He went inside. That was the problem.

Okay. So your ratings are 7.5? No, just straight 7. Seven. Yeah, I thought it dragged the times. And, but the times it didn't, it didn't, right? And it's really effective.

So. Roger. Donnie, which thing? Oh, I'm nine and a half on this. Yeah, some of the all-time greatest jump scares, plenty of plenty of tension, suspense. It does exactly what I think a horror film should do expertly. A few touches where the confusing storyline kind of holds it up, but, you know, what it does right as a horror film is much more important than what it doesn't for my own personal taste

so yeah nine and a half easy cool Bill all right I love the movie I love everything about it in fact some of the acting that old lady playing the mom yeah

it's like she had brown hair in one part and then white hair in one part like when did that transition I don't know in fact Tanya mentioned it she goes look she has brown hair there he's get the color out

yeah so like little touches like that, I freaking love this. In addition to the best jump scares, the best everything about a horror movie. This is horror. But I'm not going to go 9.5. I'm going straight 9 just because some of the ending was kind of confusing in parts

where I didn't understand what happened. So, like, I'm not going to say it. But the last story, I was like, huh? So I'd look it up. So yeah, I'm going to give a straight 9 out of 10. This freaking movie rocks, this is one every horror fan should see. Yeah.

Yeah, definitely. I put this one way over Ringu. Yeah. Oh, wow. All right. Daniel? The only thing I knew was a cursed house when I went into this because I haven't seen any of the other versions, American and Japanese. And it freaked me out. I was like, if I wake up and see that boy tonight, I'm sleeping in my car. I'm glad I don't have cats. His cats outside. forever

until 4 a.m. probably. Yeah, it freaked me out. I really loved this movie. I gave it a 9. Cool. I'm going to go straight 8.

I'm definitely wanting to check out more of these movies. I thought Kayaku was really creepy. And like I said, every time time, every fucking time that kid pops up against me.

So eight out of ten. Now, do you believe that you would have had a higher rating on that if you had subtitles? I didn't understand what they were saying. Yeah. You know what? This might be close to a ten if I could actually follow what was going on in the story. Yeah, because this one was kind of confusing with the whole pulp fiction thing they had

going because, I mean, it was, I thought that on its own was kind of brilliant. You don't get a lot of movies that do it like that. Right, no, but, dude, Phil, the thing I'm saying is the part that was confusing for me was the ending with what was supposed to be Kayako's story, but it was someone else's Rika, whatever her name was? Yeah. So that kind of confused me. I had to look that part up. Oh, I feel like a lot of it was confusing, and I think some of it may just get lost in translation a little bit. Oh, and the poor dubbing.

I mean, not dubbing, the subtitles. I'm really funny at times so I had to knock off a couple of there for there. But I'm going to give them definitely an A for effort on the transferring from person to person. I like that each person's story. Plus then you got to see like two or three different kills. Oh yeah.

Oh, yeah. And, you know, that haunted house did not spare anybody. They were mean as hell. Definitely. a must watch. I'm going to give it an 8.5. Wow. Yeah, I like it.

I agree. Nice. All right. Which leads us into the ring versus the grudge. Donnie, what's the name in the movie? Sadako versus Kayako. Uh-oh.

What was her name in the American version? Oh, it was like, what was your name in the American? Samara? Samara. Yeah, okay. So that's Sadaku, and Kayako is the grudge chick. So we're in for it now. It's like Freddie versus Jason in the Japanese world.

What is she called in the English grudge? I forgot. It's been once. I didn't like it. It might be Cariaco. It might be. It said in Japan, it said in Japan, I think that they kept it Kayako. Yeah, because she went to.

Japan in the movie. It might actually even be the same actress, believe it or not. Shemizu did the one and two, so I believe it may have even been the same actress playing Kayako.

Could be. I just looked it up. The same name. Nice. Check that out. There's an extra piece of trivia that we didn't even charge you guys for. So our director is

Koji Shirasi Sharashi Shirashi Ah Shirashi Ash Also known for

Shirash No not happening today Also known for Grotesque and a cult Writer is

Koji Suzuki with Takashi Shimizu Shimizu Shimizu Shimizu Boy, you try to run over those, you'll trip over.

The project started out as an April Fool's gag, but became a reality due to strong fan interest. The baseball pitch they did? Yeah. So that brings to the next one. For marketing, several pieces of merchandise and goodies playing in the cute aspect regularly used in Japan were released, such as cup hangers, beauty masks,

and even a collaboration with the Hello Kitty brand. Hello Kitty Sadako. For real. Other goodies, more traditional, such as T-shirts, key rings, and doorknob hangers. To promote the film, an Instagram account was created for Kayako and Toshio, depicting humorous everyday life situations with the two ghosts.

They're not taking this movie seriously from the get-go. Well, you would think, right? It's awesome. It's good. It's Freddy versus Jason. You don't want the seriousness. You want to have fun with this. That's what it is, man.

And I think they were ready for people to have fun with it. So what do you guys think about this one? Who's first? Why don't you go, Bill? All right. I saw this when it premiered on Shudder. Was it a year or two ago? and I was down with it.

I loved everything about this, but then I was like confused. I'm going, wait, how come they changed the lore from the ring to say two days instead of a week? Yeah, what was that all about? Well, there's a reason. They actually explain it in the movie. Oh, but first Tanya said something. Or watching the first one, she goes, so if they watch it in a week, right? And then, like, on the seventh day, they watch it again.

Do they have another week? just keep watching it every day, like every week. You'd be all right? Anyway, no, but in this one it's two days. She broke Sadako. She's like, God damn, I can't kill you yet. But anyway, in this one, it's two days. That's a big change.

You think they know the story behind this stuff. They wrote it, right? So, anyway, the reason is, do you remember when the professor at the college was talking, he says all the rules in this were changed because of collective, what was it, conscience or collective uh,

yeah, the social media, the social media, right, he's saying that, oh, collective unconscious, that's it, collective unconscious,

is that whatever people believe now is the rules. So, you know, the game telephone, it started off from like, you get a week to live, and then it became three days to live,

and then over the course of a year, it became two days to live. All right, all right, right. That became the rule, because that's what everyone believes. The memes, so to speak, in 2016, when they were posting this shit. The memes, that's what controls it.

There you go. So, yeah, there's a reason for you. They explain it. So anyway, I love the fact that they show from the get-go, it's just non-stop fun. Just, bam, the first thing you see is an old lady did. Then, ban, the character

take her who is also a welfare worker comes in the siege from like the grudge and bam she dies with a knife in her throat and then bam like it goes wham bam bam and they talk about well how could this cursed tape happen now with the internet and all this and i'm like yeah exactly but you get these people with their VHS tapes these you know i don't know joey what he yeah motherfucker they're they should alive right you got some VHS stuff up over there Oh, yeah. I don't know, 40, 50 VHSs. Nice.

Are they old Disney? You just won a goofy movie. Worth shot. But, yeah, the fact that they talk about this, like, who watches VHS anymore, the Internet's the thing? All this was addressed. I love that. And I loved everything leading up to the end. The whole point about

we go to the cursed house and we see her story. Everything. This is such a great setup. And then some people had a problem with, well, how come the ring, what's the world's in the backyard? No, it's not. It's another well. It's trying to recreate what happened to her.

So it's a well. It's not the same well. It doesn't have to be. So regardless, at the very end of the movie, I was all set to see this giant battle. and there was none. And I'm like, what? Yeah. And, like, they fused and came,

and became this girl in the well, and they came out, and it was the both world, and the what? Yeah. Then you don't even know what happens. Like, cuts off short. And like, no, fuck that. No.

For such a good movie, the little blind girl was awesome. The kick-ass, everything. The bullies, the four kids, and everything was great. And then the ending fucked it up. I'm like, this is only an hour and 38 minutes. had this movie been two hours

they could have shown the ending they could have resolved everything they could have had a good battle they could have had a 20 minute fight scene yes it's what you want it like Freddy versus Jason in a big old 20 minute fight scene that's what you wanted

the rampage yeah so yeah this movie I loved it until the very end that's my point and I am going to second every single fucking word Bill just said. I was 200% on board with this thing and then

no versus. Right. I'm right with you too. Yeah. I was right there with it. I was so in love with this. I love all of the little end jokes to the series. I love that they keep both franchises

completely true. Everyone who goes into the house dies, you have the tape. You have, you know, bringing the two to, you know, how do you get to the videotape? You have the obsessed professor. I freaking loved that guy. He was like, oh my God, this is the one.

This is the tape. And it's like, I don't care about it. You just fucking curse yourself. And it's like, yes, I get to see Kayak. I get to see Satako. Great. I'm super cursed.

Like, I'm going to fucking die in two days. I just saw Kayako. And it's like, I am so on board with this. There's an exorcism. Yes. did that come from? I'm remembering a sexorcism. Oh,

that was so cool. She's a rubbery stretchy effect in this movie. Was she just like this? She threw up lots of holy water at him? Yeah, she was drawing the girl, right? It was like

water tortuards. Water boring. Yeah. And she just bitch slaps the one. She just bitch slaps the one girl. Yeah. No, he didn't.

Okay. Bam. Like, I'm pretty sure what you're doing is kind of shitty. She's like, fuck you. Since he head butts a dude where his face

becomes mashed up to be on recognition. Yeah, that was a weird effect on that one. I don't know what happened, but I stopped for a second, and I was like, did his head just get real big and orange? Dude, evil dead too.

Same shit. And it was like, fam, and he fell down. He didn't go two days. He didn't go two days. though. Who cares? I just like this fucking movie.

I know, I was so on board. I really, I was so on board with this thing. Oh, I want to see the little girl, like unleash her real powers like fucking badass. They were like superheroes. And then it's so cool because it's like, you know, an hour and 20 minutes, it's like, you know, they get to the house

and it's like, oh, finally, you know, they're going to have this big drag on brawl. And then the only thing you get is like, you know, two things of, you know, they wrap their hair around their throat and it's like, that's the brawl. One gets full. and one gets hair in the mouth. Come on. But there was a head that got exploded and that was kind of cool.

Except it didn't really make a difference. It was cool with the moment. So, yeah, no, I'm 100% behind Bill. This is, you know, 90 minutes of awesome and then 10 minutes of, ugh. But what happened? There's no explanation. Did the guy die? You know, that kick-ass magician guy?

Who knows? Did the girl? A magician guy? Yeah. Didn't he get split in half? No. You got pushed back with some hair. Oh.

They're exploding hair. They show the girl reviving him. They show the girl. If he checked his pulse, that was it. We don't know if he's alive or not. No, they don't tell you. They just leave it. But you in the next one.

Yeah. If there's a next one, I was told by, like, Dave Zee's like, oh, it's a great ending. I'm like, what the fuck are you smoking, dude? That is not a great ending. I want to see what happened. I just watched the other thing, and I thought it was pretty good. Dude, it's not a resolution to a movie. It's what you were waiting for for the whole rest of the movie, though.

Yeah, true. Are you talking about the post-credits ending or the... I didn't even see the post-creddust part. Oh, I didn't either. Yeah, there's a post-credit scene. Yes, I don't know. Yeah. Spoiler.

Yes. Yeah, so it plays the... videotape again, the one with Sadako, only now in Shari and Sadaku together with the Kayako. Well, hold on, I'm trying to get there. It's the Sadako videotape.

But when instead of Sadako appearing, it's the merged version, it's the merged goes that they merged into. All three. And then all of it, yeah, and then all of a sudden instead of being at the back of the screen, it's like right there at the front and then they just screech and then it cuts to black.

Hmm. Like venom. Like venom. Yeah. So, yeah. I'm going to be right there with you guys. I was all on board through the first, like, what was it, 90 minutes of the movie. And it just fell short at the end.

There was a couple of times I got worried the whole, the little kid and the bullies in the house scene. Right? I felt so bad for that kid, dude. Yeah. That's where I felt. I got worried. I thought they were going to break the rules and let this little kid live

and just kill the bullies. But no, they snatched his ass up and he was gone. Yeah. And then there was one scene in the house with the bullies that kind of pissed me off with the little boy, how they zoomed him on him in the background.

You didn't need to do that. Yes, that's what I was saying before, is that you didn't need to see that. If you just pass by it and if you're a watcher and you see that, you're chilled. You don't zoom in on that to show that he's there. Exactly. Like spoon food

spoon feeding Spoon feeding Right now But feed them I had a lot of fun Up until the end I thought it just fell Completely short for me

So Yeah I I didn't mind The end so much I just wish there was more of it Like Right

And 20 minutes more Yeah Like you you waited the whole movie For them To have the Sadaku versus Kayaku Battle and it only lasts a couple of minutes

and it doesn't happen until the very end of the movie. Had they played that part up a little more it was really just a ring movie with the grudge popped in at the end. But it was a lot of fun. It was the Japanese version

of Freddy versus Jason and it sounds like it went over well there. I enjoyed it They took themselves A whole lot serious A whole lot more seriously Than I would have expected them to

I expected a little more dumb fun But it was still It was still really cool to watch It was fun Let me ask you a question Like if you You know Were submerged in Japanese culture

Would this movie be dumb fun for you Right? Because the way You know The way things are portrayed on the screen the way to use words and stretch words and stuff like that. Especially like seeing like the girls in Iraq, they're like, they'll say a word.

Like say a word is like, Haraku. They were like, Haraku. Oh, yeah. No, yeah, they were playing that shit up, man. Yeah, I think dumb fun in Japan is exactly what it was too. It sounds like it probably did a whole lot better there than it did here, but it was still a fun movie to watch. the questions come up like this in my head like all right now we have this new entity which is a combo of the two like are they are these two entities like gonna fight each other inside their own you know body like who's in control well merge now they are a perfect killing machine like jaws i would say next movie but unfortunately the next movie was science

What? Sines? Yeah, last year's fucking signs Aye, geez Wasn't that with Dan? The guy from Big Bang Theory Oh, him, okay Oh, rings

Yeah, I said rings, didn't it? No, he said signs No, he said signs, holy shit, yeah, Yeah, Eminem Chamelon Yeah, not Eminemian That makes more sense I'm just sitting in a corner of one What the sounds?

What is it? Yeah. Vincent Nannaphyo. He's in there for a minute. That's bad. All right. So what do you guys think about scores on this one, Bill?

I'm going to go with an eight and a half. Now, if there's a second movie. If there's not a sequel to this, eight. Okay. Yeah, I'm, uh... I, uh... I, uh... found this

fun. You know, it definitely is not a full-on serious horror film like the other two were, but it's obviously, it's a horror film,

no get me wrong, but it's definitely the tone. The tone is totally different and it's felt, but in a good way. If I was a fan of the series, this would probably be like a wet dream come true,

but I'm not. So, you know, this is all new to me. But at the same time, it was fun. I thought the visuals look good, major improvements from those two original films we looked at. So that was cool.

And, you know, looking visually, that end scene was sick. You know, maybe because, you know, I got to watch the end while, you know, on here I wasn't as, you know, gung-ho in focus as I was in the first half of the movie. But, like, the first half of the movie, I thought it was awesome when the professor starts talking about all the different... Yeah, there's a slit-mouth woman there, right? Yeah, Cuchess Takuna. I didn't get the other ones, the red cape or something, and the kid in a toilet?

Hanoi. Oh, that's in the toilet, yes. Hanako, that's an actual urban legend. That's, uh, that's an actual, yeah, Hanako, that's an actual legend. There's about nine or ten films. Wait, who's Tanako? Toilet or the red cape? Hanako, that's the toilet one.

That's an actual urban legend in Japan. That actually ties into the Gako No Kanko No Kidan series, because several of the, several of the rip-offs of that franchise used the Hanako legend. I would say to Harry Potter, fucking moaning Myrtle. I don't want to watch her asses from that creature. No, Hanako's an actual Japanese urban legend. It's about a student that was bullied to such degree that she hung herself in the bathroom. Hanged.

And she hanged herself in the bathroom and then kills everyone that goes into the bathroom just by themselves. If you go into the bathroom by yourself, you get killed by the ghost. Is that how far? If you go in. Like, it's fours and shit and twos and threes? I don't know. But that's just the Japanese legend. If you go to the bathroom by yourself and you get attacked by the spirit.

If you go in with a group. Is it going to a girls' bathroom or is it the guys too? It depends. They usually, because Hanako was a girl when she killed herself, it's usually school girls. because the Japanese have a fascination with schoolgirls in general so they just use that as... Oh, yeah, seriously, no. If you want to dive into Japanese schoolgirl film,

you're going to find yourself with... 40 years old time is on the Japanese schoolgirls. No, yeah, but, yeah, it's usually school girls or... It's usually like boarding schools or high schools just so that way they can get the exploitation element in, but they've actually even... used the legend for kids films, believe it or not. Yeah, Harry Potter, Moaning Myrtle.

I don't care if she is a Japanese schoolgirl. I don't want her in my asshole. Yeah, but, yeah, that's what the Hanako legend is. And then the Slipmouth Woman one, that's an actual... We're horror fans. Yeah, but the Slipop Woman one, that's an in-joke to Koji Shara's earlier films, because that's where he got his start was making films based on that legend. Yeah.

Yeah, carved a slip-mouthed woman. Yeah, it's a big movie. Everyone knows that one. Yeah, that's why they put that one first. That's another Japanese urban legend. It's a really gory one, too. I like that. Yeah, it's, I like the sequel, Carve Zero.

That was a-carve-Zero. Carve-Zero is awesome. That one's a lot of fun. So anyway, my rating is 7 out of 10. There you go, folks. And good. What was your saying? An eight.

Eight. Yeah. I'm between eight and eight and a half, so I'm just going to Dave Z, Z, Z this and say eight. There you go. Like I said, if they made a sequel and could show us what happens next, eight and a half. If not, just staying in eight. Brian, which thing? I'm also going to give it an eight, and I had to look it up because it was just bothering me.

The second guy, he did get split in half? Oh, did he? So he's dead. The second, you know, the guy with the he died? Yeah. Yes.

Oh, wow. I don't think you did. Me neither. I love a little blind chick, though, man. That was, yeah, she was awesome. Stuff right there. They had their own little superhero seance, guys.

Yeah, they were great. I'm going to get eight also. I mean, I was really fun. It was a Japanese version of Freddy versus Jason, man. I took it a, while to get there, but

definitely worth watching. I'm glad I did. It's your first time watch? It was, yeah. Really? Wow. Yeah, this was actually my first time watch for all of these. Wow. Yeah, I mean, I've seen the American versions of

everything, but not the Japanese and obviously not this one. Interesting. Very cool. Yeah, this was the only one I had a first time watch on, so. Yes, now I have not disappointed in the whole no

the whole atmosphere I loved it all right now I've got a question I got a question for Joey Bill and Tanya which Asian threesome did you like more theirs or mine

theirs definitely sorry Don but box is on the roof oh we're talking about Asian threason now we may get into a different story That's in my Google search list.

Yeah, I know. It's a reference to an earlier show I put together for them. I made them watch Dead Sushi, Mystics in Bali, and Boxers Omen for one show. All right, I'm going to make a challenge to you, Donnie. I'll give you an Asian movie that we can watch on one of our shows. All right. Have you seen Tommy? Tomiae? I haven't seen the original, but I've seen several of the sequels.

Ah, the first one. Yeah, I know, I think I've seen either unleashed or forbidden fruit. It's like fourth or fifth in the series. I don't like the first three. I have Tommy, Tommy, Tommy two, and Tommy zero or something. Yeah, I've seen unleashed. It's either unleashed or for forbidden fruit. I'd have to look at them again. All right. I'll present that one to you and you let us know on one of our, our shows. How's that? Cool. Yeah. Like I said,

it's either unleashed or forbidden fruit, I don't remember because I don't remember the order. Right. I've got to go check which ones I've got too, but I know I've got the first one. Yeah. It's one of the later sequels I haven't seen the original. Okay. No. Joey, Tanya? It's sound okay for our show.

Okay. There you go. All right. All right. Well, hey, these guys can join us if they want. Hell yeah, man. We're down. Let us know what's up, and we'll be on. I'm a lot of films from Japan, man. But, hey, thank you, Horror Mafia team.

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Haramafia Podcast.com. You could find us on Facebook. Facebook.com slash Haramafia. Those are two main things. You could email us. Contact at haramafia.com. You can send us individual Facebook messages where more than happy to shoot the breeze.

Bill will find you on Tinder. You can set up the table. No, man, that's a grinder. Grindrinder. You can also hear Bill and I on slice and dice dreadcasts. Hey. Also on the horror filial.

where you can find both shows where we tackle horror films and now switched up a little where we're covering horror and on horror films. Yeah, how about that? How about that? We had a good show last time where we covered Tombstone.

It opened up a lot of doors, so great conversation for an hour and we realized, you know what? Why not? We'll slice and dice it up a little bit and get a little bit of this, a little bit of that. A little bit of a little bit. Everything, yeah. Cool.

And you can find the best horror memes on the net on Instagram, Slice underscore and underscore Dice underscore Dreadcast. It's ran by J-Mack. Shout out. Yo, Jay-Mack. And you can find me on a second podcast called Underwater Kaiju from Outer Space. It's run under the Kill the Cast feed. We basically look at giant monster movies and Ultraman. And so we run through each of this episodes.

We're recording our third, I think, in a couple weeks from now. So if you're into giant monster movies from Japan or elsewhere around the world, come check us out. Right on. Cool. Sounds like somebody's watching a monster movie in the background. Not here. Yeah, dude.

I'm sorry. There's a storm going on. And we have a little farmhouse on stilts. So there's some wind in the background, guys. Oh, that's a lot. cover it up with the pillows and shit but it's a snook or whatever it's a storm over it. Kayaku's coming. Yeah.

She might be. But thank you guys for putting up with our storm. And as always, we want to thank you for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at the Horror Returns at gmail.com or check us out on any of the other social media feeds, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, pod bean, Tumblr,

go leave us a review on iTunes right now, if you haven't done that yet. We got some contests going, right, Brian? Yeah, you can win a t-shirt or a beer coozy. Nice. Yeah, we got them in the works, man. It's happening. I could have you to do it.

I'm telling you. Yeah. Naked. Hey, you guys, leave us a review. Speaking of contest, I forgot to plug that. We do our Marmaphia podcast, we do raffles every couple weeks where, you know, we give away stuff to our listeners. And, you know, we've done a bunch of couple of things, some Blu-rays. We had an autographed picture from Paris Jen where it had all four of his characters from the Hatchet franchise in Lego form.

You know, a special little note to a to a pizan. out there, you know, whatever. We got, you know, some, some pins that are in the mix, but you can, you know, leave us on iTunes review, and you get enrolled for free. Or you can get

two entries by joining our Patreon. Patreon.com slash Horror Mafia podcast. $1 get you two entries, early release, access, bonus content, and more. So check that out. Get your free raffle on.

We got a, a couple of things in store. We got some toys lined up, some pins lined up, and all that good shit. Cool, cool. Well, next week for us, it's our 100th episode. Congratulations. Congratulations. Since Lance isn't here this week, Brian and I hereby pick the ultimate horror returns movie,

The Avengers Infinity War. Lance will Benchle. Lance is full of shit. He's going to love that movie. Oh, I know he is. And we'll also each go over our top ten horror films of all time.

Don't miss this Champs show. It's going to be awesome. So until the horror returns again, Brian. Good night.