The Horror Returns - THR - Ep.#474: 28 Days Later (2002) & 28 Years Later (2025)

Episode Date: June 29, 2025

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I'm Lance, and as always, you guys know them well. It's Brian and Philip. How's it going, guys? What's up? Pretty good, man. Still living. Yeah. All right.

out to Derek. If you're listening, Derek, it was cool checking out that, that bizarre Halloween 3, Part 2 shirt that you had made. I don't know how to describe it. We'll have to get Derek on the phone. They've got a podcast going. We met up, met up on the train ride back from Disney, and I noticed a T-shirt. It was Halloween 3, Part 2. So they've got a podcast. called the third channel, which I've been checking that out, so maybe we can get Derek to guest on. But it's a good meeting you, dude. Hopefully we'll cross paths again in the future. In the meantime, I don't think we have any guests coming up.

Yeah, we do, right? Brian, Steve is doing the, what is it, Critters, Gulley's Faceoff or something like that next month? Sure, we'll call it that. We're digging D.K. All right. All right. Well, tonight is 28 days later and 28 years later.

So, I don't know. Would you call it zombie action? Rage virus? Technically not zombies? I was going to post a poll on there. Are they zombies? Yes.

Because they don't necessarily die and come back. Yeah, I mean, I guess, but they're definitely zombies. They even call them zombies at one point in the new movie. Yeah, I'll vote zombies, Brian, if we're doing a poll. Especially since they have, like, different types of them now. I don't want to get too ahead of myself. Spoilers.

I know. That's all over the internet that there's some kind of like alpha zombie or something like that. I guess we'll get into that. News Flash, as always, with Family and Town. I didn't see the new movie yet, so she goes fill us all in on that. But all right, cool. Cool of the week, right? I just will get this show going. Cool of the week. I'll start.

Cool of the week. I've got, what did I watch? Plain. I think it's just called Plain. With Gerard Butler. It's on Netflix. Oh, yeah. A good cage. Yeah. Yes.

And it's pretty good. I mean, it's, you know, a basic action flick. But like this, a plane kind of starts to fall apart in midair and they run through a storm. And he has to crash land it in this island in the Philippines. But it happens to be the bad one, of course, with the bad guys on it. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, they kind of run the gambit on the bad guys.

guys and get as many people out of there as they can. It was fun. I like that Luke Cage is not just a prisoner on board. Yeah, of course. He has military training. Yeah, in the French Foreign Legion. I'm like, what? Yes, that's a stupid for that.

Speck-Ops guy or something. He's a badass in that movie. But yeah, I had a lot of fun with that one. My other one is going to be the Y files on YouTube. Have you guys seen this? What? Okay.

The wild files? Yeah. The Y files. Like Wi-Fi. Okay. Gotcha. It's, I caught this dude on Rogan during an interview. And I've seen a couple of his videos, but basically he, he packages up any little

conspiracy theory or ghost story or alien encounter or anything like that into one episode. and it's like produced really well and he'll go over the story as if it were true and then at the end he tries to debunk it. Some of them he can't debunk it. Yeah. So some of them are just, yeah,

some of them are just for fun because they're total bullshit and some of them are like, like there's some weird shit with crop circles. That one you can't entirely debunk. I mean, there's some debunking of it but not all of them are bullshit. it.

There's something, there's something to it, right? The truth is out there. Am I right, Phil? Yeah, well, definitely with the alien stuff. Although, I don't know, I'd waver back and forth on that now. Is it us? Do you? Oh, I know.

Fucking Scy Hop. Well, there, yeah, there's a lot of fresh speculation out there. I don't know why this is all of a sudden at the forefront, but like popular mechanics and science magazine. I mean, legit stuff, right? Publications that have been around forever. Like that alien seeding theory is getting super popular lately. I just watched a wildfire, a W-Files episode about that.

It almost seems like that has to be how it happened, right? Because, I mean, we're all one universe. We're all made of, as they say, stardust, we are, right? Well, and there's building blocks for life and some microorganisms. on like meteorites and stuff. Yes. And they kind of think that octopus is octopi, I don't know, what the plural of that is, but that they were maybe not originally from this planet.

Like they started here with some sort of microorganism off a meteor and it evolved. Because that's a crazy life form. They're totally different than anything else that exists. Anyway, he goes over all that. It's a great show. Any little stupid ghost story? They go over the, uh,

the, oh, God damn it, the conjuring people. Oh, uh, Ed and Lorraine Warren? Yeah,

he goes over Ed and Lorraine Warren, uh, which that one, spoiler alert is mostly bullshit. Pretty easily debunked. Yeah. But great episode. He goes over like the conjuring,

the stuff that happened for the conjuring movies. And, and, and I, then, debunks it. That's always the not so fun part, but it's important. You know, it's probably pretty hard to prove.

Yeah. Most of the shit they say they. He's got his little buddy. It makes for fun movies. He's got his little buddy hecklefish. It's a little goldfish in a bowl of the sighting. Okay. And he's like the comedy relief.

He throws in one-liners. Jesus Christ. Okay. I got to check this out. the Y file. Oh, wait a minute. W.H.Y. The Y files. I have seen this, Philip. Yeah. It's great. Have you seen any of these dude? When you said the hecklefish, okay. Yeah, this is, these are worth watching. These are worth watching. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I, I, like, you know, it's, it's, I, I, I, like, you know, it's, it's, I, I, I was, like, going down one of those YouTube rabbit holes one night, because there was, like nothing else to watch. So I have seen a few of those.

He covers pretty much everything. The Anunnaki comes up a lot. Yeah, I think the Illuminati was one he did. Something about some shit underwater, right? Like some stuff that was built that they found underwater that was kind of like might be Atlantis or something like that. Oh, maybe. I haven't seen that one. But yeah.

Yeah. Like he's got a shitload of episodes and they're all pretty solid. Okay. I even watch about a dream guy that was like that Nick Cage movie. What? You know the Nick Cage movie where he keeps popping up in everybody's dreams? Yeah, and that really allegedly really happened, huh? Well, not really.

Again, gets debunked at the end. It was bullshit. But it's the same story. Okay. Yeah. Brian at first I thought he meant like Freddie Kruger or something like that. I thought he met the Nick Cage actually popped up in everybody's dreams. No, but that's the plot line of the movie.

Bede would love it. Bid would be, Bid would never wake up. I think that one would be a sexual fantasy. Oh man, do you get anything, Brian? Yeah, I checked out. two movies and the first episode of three new shows. The first show is Marvel's Ironheart. Oh, yeah.

I was introduced in Black Panther. I'll probably just wait for this one to all drop before I check out the rest. It's not bad, but it's nothing special about it. I always felt this character should have been introduced while Tony Stark was still alive. Yeah. She's essentially building an Iron Man suit and smart and stuff like that. But I am curious on how it ends because they said there's a lead up to Dr. Doom in this series. I could see that.

So is Dr. Doom going to have anything to do with Iron Man? I don't know. I live in the fact that Robert Downey Jr. is playing him. Yeah, like alternate dimension Tony Stark. Oh, it's got to be, dude. Yeah, they wouldn't be so cheesy as to just, they wouldn't pull a Chris Evans, right? Just pretend to somebody else.

Flame on. So check that out. It's okay so far. There's a lot of cameos from other actors, a lot of, oh, I know that guy from something. Yeah. So check that out. checked out Hell Motel on Shutter.

Oh, I've been curious about this one. I will pass on this one. Oh, no. The first episode didn't grab me. Essentially, it's a murder takes place at this motel. Flash forwards to present time. The people that own the motel are throwing kind of like a, who done it, mystery, come debunk.

or solve the mystery of what happened that night and invite all these true crime influencers, YouTubers, podcasters. And nothing happened in the first episode that said, I need to keep watching it. Even the couple of kills that were in there weren't even gory or violent or anything. And it's made by the people that made that Slashers series. Yeah. And the first season of that, I thought, was pretty solid. Yeah, so I thought based off that, you know, we were going to get some gory kills, but...

I don't know, maybe we do, but it just... Nothing told me to keep on watching it, so... I might be visited later, but not right now. Okay. That one's on Shutter. Checked out a new... First episode of a new sci-fi show called The Revival. It's a zombie show.

Basically, everybody's come back from the dead. But not like trying to eat people way. And this cop, she has to solve this mystery or this case, a murder case with the victims now alive. So it's got an interesting premise. Oh, does that work legally? Yeah, I never really got to all that. Questionable, huh? and they found out some of these zombies have abilities

that is kind of different from your average zombie movie okay all right I'll stick with it but my hopes are not high because sci-fi does like to every show that I've liked on sci-fi they've canceled is one of the abilities a giant swinging dong we'll get there maybe Prime we'll pick you

it up, you know? They did with, what was it, the expanse, right? Yeah, but Prime also canceled the bondsman. Oh, yeah, after, on a cliffhanger at that. So, fuck you, Bezos. Go enjoy your Venetian wedding, you asshole. And the two movies I checked out, the first ones on Apple TV Plus, Echo Valley with Julian Moore and Sidney Sweeney.

I saw that one. I saw that one. It's billed as like a psychological thriller. It's more drama with a little bit of thriller in it. Essentially, Julianne Moore is the mom. Sidney Sweeney's the daughter. She's a drug addict shows up every now and then to need money and stuff. And then she shows up running from somebody that she took drugs from.

And the boyfriend comes. And then they essentially, they kill somebody. ends up dying. Julianne Moore helps them get rid of the body. Right. Which leads to more problems. Sounds like a decent thriller so far, but there's a lot of dramatic, there's like a lot of dramatic stuff in there, a lot of flashbacks to trauma.

And I just kind of wish they push that thriller aspect more. Domhawk leesons in it. As a crackhead, basically. No, the drug dealer. Oh, no. Well, yeah, okay. I guess hopefully he's not getting high on his own supply. Do you know something about Darmehog Gleason?

We don't know. He looked, he looked, he pulled it off. Let's put it that way. Oh, you've seen it? Yeah, I've seen the movie, dude. I wouldn't, I wouldn't trust him in a dark alley, right, the way this, this character was. But, yeah, he was, he did not, he did not look like Domhall Gleason to me. Yeah, very, very sleazy, very not trusting.

Even, even that, I'm not going to spoil anything, that scene when the lady comes to the barn and he acts like he works there. Yeah, I thought she was a goner. Nothing about him said he works at a horse farm. No shit. Yeah, it was, and it was kind of that, didn't you think that the big reveal at the end was a little too, a little too on the nose, Brian? Like, how are you going to pull

like Reeb Goldberg type set up there? It completely lost me by then. The way it just conveniently played out for her, everything was planned out, and I was just like, no, nothing about your character said you're this smart to plan out this

to work in your favorite at the end. Yeah. So I think we would agree, Phil can skip this one. Yeah, and if you're watching it for Sidney Sweeney, she's barely in the movie. Ah. I was going to say it was a Sydney, Swin. I think we get side boob.

Yeah, side boob. Kind of. I say what, when it's 20 minutes, she's probably total in the movie. If that, yeah, if that. She almost did a Nick Cage in that one where it was in the apocalypse and his two sons. he broke his leg and was in bed the whole movie. Remember that one? The Arcadian.

Yeah. And the last movie I checked out is a new indie horror movie called Marchmallow about kids at a summer camp. Oh, I've heard that. Please tell me this one's good, Brian. Not going to spoil anything. The reveal at the end was nothing I expected. Ah, that's promising. Okay.

In a good way? in a good way. Okay. I had to like rewind the movie to make sure I understood what was happening. Because it's basically this kid gets sent to the summer camp. He's a shy, bullied kid, doesn't have much friends. And it has nightmares a lot, has a lot of issues. And a campfire story kind of pushes him to have more nightmares

is because they tell the story that they tell every summer to the kids about some doctor that is out in the woods that kills people and stitches the body parts together. So you think it's going to be like a slasher. Sure. But then it turns into something else. And I really appreciated the reveal at the end because it wasn't what I was expecting. And it's actual kids. It's not like 18-year-olds playing 12-year-olds. It's like actual 11-12-year-old kids.

and they did a pretty solid job. And where is that one? Or is it streaming, Brian? It's available to rent. I was going to ask the main kid I was just talking about because I posted on the Instagram that we were watching or I was watching it on our main page. And he said thanks for supporting a movie.

Nice. Cool. All right. Yeah. So, yeah, that sounds like one that's worth going. out and renting then. So they usually write mine on Apple TV. Or if they're really good, I'll just buy them.

Because a lot of the time you get a like Apple Plus fill up and it's like 1099 to rent a new one and 12. 99 to buy it. So it's kind of a no brainer, you know? Yeah. Of course. Yeah, that's the one streaming service I don't have. I like a lot of the stuff on there. Yeah.

You know, been following. And they, and they don't go cancel crazy. like Prime does or Netflix when they give it one or two seasons and give up they tend to stay with their

properties for a while which is good yeah because I enjoyed the studio and that got renewed for a second season nice and I'm really Lance you got to watch stick

with Owen Wilson is it that good see I'm not a huge sports comedy it's not really about it's not really about the golf okay and I just kind of felt like each episode the story's just been getting better and better

and I really enjoy the characters and you guys all know I check out shows and never finish majority of them but that one I've been week to week with it well that's cool yeah I'll check it out it looks good that's one I was interested in

and it's Owen Wilson and he's showing some depth with some of his acting and I mean he's still Owen Wilson you know a funny guy but he has his moments in the show with certain situations where doing some acting in there he's a likable dude

yeah I'll give it a few episodes see if I like it hopefully I like it better than you liked hell motel or whatever you know but we shall see so I guess marshmallow is the cool yep all right i don't have much i've watched besides that one that you saw with sidney sweeney in it that was such a downer

um i gotta go i'll go with a i'll go with the i'll go with the disney a new disney um park theme park show and that is the uh the brand new i think i think the show's been open two weeks now it's at hollywood studios uh you guys heard of this new one it's called villains I think it's called villains unfairly ever after. Probably not. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool, man. You've got, I mean, the technology in the stage shows at Disney now is so much better. Like, we went and saw that old Beauty and the Beast where they have like basically cardboard cutouts of the spoons and shit like that.

They're passing around, which is a show that's been there. going on probably like 14 or 15 years now. And then you look at the difference when you go into this theater and see the new show, Philip, where it's like really cool graphics. And like they can do awesome things with projecting, you know, onto screens and stuff like that to kind of make it look like they're interacting with the videos and stuff. But it's, it's a live action show. You've got, let's see, you've got Crewella Deville, Captain Hook, and Maleficent. And they basically come out and they give their side of the story, right? And everybody in the audience

participates and kind of like, you know, you guys have seen shows like this where they're like, okay, you know, who thinks hook had the best show, the best story, you know,

and everybody cheers and they pick somebody. And I think it's kind of like the way they do, the Guardians of the Galaxy coaster, where they have like five different rotating songs. So every time you write it, there's a chance you're going to get a different song.

But we happen to see, this, the show we saw, Cruella Deville was the one that that moved on, so to speak, and she was treated the most unfairly. I don't know why. She's fucking killing puppies.

Yeah, you don't get a whole lot more than that. No shit. But it was fun, you know. Just to make a coat. Just to make a coat. It was a fun show. Kids loved it. And, you know, 20 minutes

to kill time, get in the air conditioning and out of the floor. to sunshine for a little bit. So I'll go with villains unfairly ever after. Catch it at the you know, those of you who are going to Disney World, you can catch it at Hollywood

Studios. Oh, and it was so, it was really interesting. I've noticed the way that a lot of these new things and they're building a whole villains land at Magic Kingdom, but these things are kind of dark. Like scary and the lights turn off and you get flashing lights.

and shit, kids screaming. And I'm like, yeah, this is cool. It's kind of like Disney's kind of learning a little bit from the popularity, I think, of like Halloween horror nights at Universal. Like, it is okay to scare kids. They'll remember it forever. Yeah, I think I remember seeing a Terminator 2 thing at Universal. And I was like at 12.

And it was pretty spectacular. Yeah. All right. Well, Brian, we have any news this week? Are we getting into that time of the year? We got some news. James Juan, producer of the Mithrigan spin-off soulmate. Soulmate with the number eight in it.

Of course it is. Will says that the movie will be fatal attraction with robots. So somebody's going to fuck a robot. There you go, Philip. in love. That seems a little more realistic, at least. Yeah? Sounds like a rewrite of Wally to me, but okay.

Let's see. Who fucked Wally? They fell in love, remember? Oh, yeah. Who found Lolly? Let's see. The Crystal Lake series has finally started film. after all these years.

It seems like we've been talking about the Friday of 13th series. Right. And also announced a couple years. The way things seem to go, because I've been hearing things of rap filming and don't have a release date until next year. Which I think we talked about the Ready or Not, Here I Come, that movie.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Rap filming won't see it until like summer next year. Crazy. Somebody's going to spoil that. I guess they still got to edit it and they probably wanted it to be a summer release. That makes sense. October would make sense. Yeah.

Yeah, or even Christmas, Thanksgiving, something like that. Along with the Crystal Lake News, it was also announced that Mike P. Nelson, Lance, the guy that directed the wrong turn remake. Yes. And he's directing the Silent Night Deadly Night remake that's coming out this Christmas, is directing a Jason Voorhees short film called Sweet Revenge. Okay. And it looks like it's going to be movie quality short film.

Hmm. Okay. So I don't know if short films are a way to get around the, lawsuit. People love them. I know NAS does. Nez is all in for a lot of those short Friday the 13th films.

Oh, got mine in the mail right here. There you go. Let's see. When Evil Larks 2 was reportedly in development. Remember that one, Philip? Not off the top of my head.

The possessions were like infection and if you touched you'd get possessed too and I had that scene where the little girl got mauled by the giant dog Oh I think so That's the one Yeah

The whole time you saw it coming Because you're like Why is this little girl just standing next to this giant dog And everything is just Oh yeah Yeah Yeah That's the one

Yeah That was rough Nope The The Cronin the mummy has wrapped filming, but of course,

won't be released until next year. 2028. Okay. Like 30s mummy or Brendan Fraser Mummy? Good question. I don't know. The movie he did before then was Evil Dead Rise.

Oh, I'm sure it's going to be good then. Yeah. So I don't know. I think they're going horror mummy this time. Mm-hmm. Might be pretty brutal. Stars that one guy, Lance, from Midsamar, the guy that got put in a pair suit.

Oh, Christian? Yeah. I don't know the actor's name, but Christian. I think he's Irish, isn't he? I think he's an Irish actor. I think so. Is that all the news we have so far? M. Night Shalam-Shaman.

Shama Lahn. Shama Lahn. Shama Lama Ding-dong New movie based off Nicholas Fark's original story has started filming

He's just so far off the reservation at this point Seriously What's you're doing next Daniel Steele Or like a horror version of Dynasty or something

Come on I was going to ask you I don't know what that means This is a fucking guy I know Daniel Steele steel books. My mom had them laying around.

Oh, yeah. Good thing. Maybe not a double-wide trailer park tonight, but definitely an 18-footer instead of the 16-foot single-wide trailer this week. So Brian is going to bring us the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird down in the trailer park. What's up to bat first, Brian? I wish Ness was on for right now, because the first one we're talking about is the

witchboard remake. I'm going to say it already looks better than the original one. Does it though? Okay. I can't get a whole lot worse. I'll give it a chance because it's directed by Chuck Russell who directed to Nightmare Nile's Street 3, Dream Warriors, The Blob. Oh.

Okay. The mask, which for some reason popped up in this. I have no idea why. Cameron Diaz never looked hotter. I know that. It's very true. And it's got the girl from one of the good Annabel movies. I think Annabel comes home.

The one where the kid got run over at the end, right? That was in the beginning. Ah, okay. All right, well. Get it right. Gotta get it right. What did you guys think of which board? Because I know this has been done for like a year.

Right. Yeah, I don't know if this is a movie that needed to get remade, but I mean, I'm not not looking forward to it. But it's not like, I got to go see this movie. There's a bunch more out there that I'm kind of excited about more than this. But I'll definitely watch it. It looks interesting. Lance. I'm kind of not looking forward to it.

There's not a lot in this trailer that tells me I've got to rush out and see this. Now, is it streaming somewhere? If it's coming out directly to streaming, I might watch it. But with that, yeah, those credentials, that name, which board, it's, you know, love it or hated, it's a cult classic. So it's probably going to be in the theaters, I guess, right? Yeah, I suppose. says coming soon and doesn't say theaters

says August 15th I don't think it's going to be as good as the Pet Cemetery remake but you have to let that go it's going to bomb in the theaters

dude I think so you never know if there's enough Nez's out there you know who knows oh Nez

hates this trailer if he's seen it I know he makes this trailer that doesn't surprise me I know Nez hashtag not my witchboard I know but a trailer that I am interested in

and I wasn't or a movie I was interested in and I wasn't based on the last one The Strangers Chapter 2 Okay This already looks like a better movie than the last one Different setting

You got the mystery of How many people are actually involved I don't think Oh, yeah. I don't think the people she's riding with in the car are the ones in the mask. That'd be too easy, wouldn't it? I think there's a lot more people involved. Yeah, kind of like a conspiracy thing.

Yeah, and friend of the show, Richard Brick. Which one? Richard Breaks in it. The main guy that she's talking to, the young dude. Hmm. The one that looks like he's psychotic. Yeah. I've seen him somewhere. I think I like him as an actor.

Oh, he was in Hillbilly Elegy, I think. And a couple of other things. I just saw him in something. Did he play JD Vance? Yeah, he played like the college age. Okay, I know this guy. Yes, I do recall. But I think I saw him in some action movie or something recently. He was pretty good. Yeah, he's been in a few things. I just can't think of his name.

what I'm seeing here, Richard Brake is second build. Oh, nice. We did say he was criminally underused in the first one. He was more of a cameo. So it looks like he's going to have a prominent role in this one. I think it looks good. I know people are probably down on it because that first one was essentially, not essentially, was a remit.

make a little original. Yeah. Yeah. But like I said, maybe they had to tell that story to get to this story. I hope so. Yeah, I think so too.

Like it was a setup, that makes sense. It still seems like kind of a pointless setup, but I'll take it. Yeah, and I've said before, if we all hate the second one, we're not reviewing the third one for the show. Fair enough.

I think it's going to be better, Brian. Especially if break is going to have a more prominent because I mean yeah they started the trailer with him so uh and if he's getting second billing that that that's pretty cool he's probably running the whole damn thing right he's probably yeah it seems like maybe the the towns involved or if not all the towns involved a lot of people know what's going on but they don't want to say nothing well you know if rich your break is involved he's the bad guy you would think so right or he may be a surprise good guy see you never know But Philip, you and I were talking about it

That one night we were hanging out when we watched Mandy And we were saying, man, we love that, you know, conspiracy genre So, yeah Colts and conspiracies and shit This seems to scratch both those ouches, right? And I'm going to go out on a limb I've been thinking about this I think this is in the same universe

As the original film Oh Uh-huh You mean with different people or? Yeah. Huh. Maybe they started this cult from the original killings. Yeah.

That makes sense. It makes too much sense, so I don't think so. Yeah, it seems a little silly. The way that they kind of like had the same line for line deliveries as the first film, it's kind of like... Well, at cult school, they give out scripts. This is how you do the murder. All right, that explains it. That explains it.

Okay, I'm on board. Then let's check this out. All right. September 26th in theaters. Next, we got the new official trailer for weapons. I'm on this one. I think we all are. I don't know if this added a lot, though, did it?

To the first trailer? Yeah, but I'm kind of okay with that. I sort of don't want to know anything else about this movie, because it looks super fucking weird and creepy. It, for me, it added what the tone is probably going to be. Yeah, right. Which is crazy and chaotic. Which the first one kind of was like a dour, somber.

The kids are missing. We got to figure out what happens. And this one, like that scene with Benedict Wong running through wherever he's running and his eyes are all bulging out of his head. I'm just like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. I think it's going to be one of those like mystery thriller. They're trying to figure out what happened to the kids thing.

And then weird shit starts happening. And you're probably not going to understand it all until the end. And I kind of love those movies. Makes sense. This one gets a August 8th in theaters release. Okay. And finally, we finally got the official trailer for the toxic adventure. the unrated red band trailer, which is fitting because they are releasing this one,

theater is unrated. Okay. This is another movie I am looking forward to. It looks wacky. It's got that trauma spirit in it, just updated. Elijah Woods in it looking fucking weird as hell. Is that who that was? I guess he's the manager.

of a punk band, but he's also... Oh, God. The Kevin Bacon, the villain, he's like his henchman also. Yeah, he looks like Danny DeVito Penguin. Yeah. Our friend Darren is going to love this one. The punk band manager aspect. Yeah.

Cass looks great. Yeah, this is probably the funest trailer we've talked about tonight. Yes. I'm excited about this one. Cineverse is stepping their game up for me. I think is going out on a limb and taking a chance and releasing all these movies and theaters unrated instead of edited and chopped up.

Yeah, they can do that later, right? Like if somebody wants an edited version. I can't even think of anything that would, that would like, it's not going to be rated X. or some shit, you know what I mean? Yeah. Unless there's hardcore sex in the middle of the movie. Well, there may be.

When I posted stuff about the show, everybody that's got to see it at a festival keeps talking about some death scene called butt guts. Oh, God. That sounds fantastic. Yes. I've been hearing about butt guts in this movie for like two years now. Hashtag butt guts.

It's going to be fucking ridiculous. and stupid, but with the cast that they have, I'm kind of stoked about it. I think it's really good. Okay, so, so if my, if my seven-year-old granddaughter's opinion matters at all, or is a bellwether of things to come with this movie, she said she can't wait

to see it. She said, it reminded her, well, I know, I know now that you're saying butt guts and all that, but she's saying, Papol, what was that movie? What was that movie with the guy? And he was nice, but he was a monster. And the little girl, her name was Mimi. What was that movie, Papo?

Oh, Psycho Garmin? And she's like, yes, yes. This looks like Psycho Gorman. I want to see it. So she's all in. He does make a cute little toxic avenger. If you do take her to see it, she's going to be surprised that this is nothing like psycho gorman.

Yeah. Doesn't appear that way, does it? All right. The Toxic Avenger unrated. It's theaters August 29th. Weapons is my winner in this one, dude.

I want to see that really bad. Yeah. I'm toxicie all the way on this one. I'm split between those two. All right. Let's move on to listener feedback. This week,

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A lot of people are doing that, right? And is it just me or does Malvolia look a lot like Jen Nangle? Are they twins or what? Surprise. A little bit. I see the resemblance. Okay. In regards to frightful reflections, episode two,

Pat Caruso said, really enjoyed the Friday, the 13th commentary. Thank you. Yeah, frightful reflections, cool. We got more coming. I don't know when. Those are just usually when we get around to record now,

but we have some ideas, movies we want to do commentaries on. Brian, that's where you should do the Texas chainsaw next generation, dude. Oh, we can't do it now. We don't reveal the movie. Oh, oops. Okay.

Now, it was a thought. Now we've got to do it on the horror returns. Okay. It was a thought. All right. All right, all right. You know what? I think he says that in the movie.

I'm sure he does. I am sure he does. Let's see. In regards to Dawn of the Dead, Andrew Harvey says, Best Zombie Movie Ever. Lucas Hannan says, Phenomenal movie.

I don't know if it's the best zombie movie ever, but it is good. Yeah, well, to each their own, right? Yeah. Let's see. In regards to Little Shop of Horrors, Eddie Vastag says... Oh, no.

Uh-oh. Eddie Vastag says he just watched that on 2B last week. I love the soundtrack. There you go, Brian. Positive feedback. We love you, Eddie Vastag. Eddie, Eddie's turning over a new leaf. Bring the positivity, brother.

Don Lowry says, I love this one growing up and still do. I'm not a fan of musicals, but this one is great. True. Yeah, fair enough. I love Little Shop of Horrors. I am a fan of musicals,

and this one is great. Yeah, it's a classic. Ted Ongren said this would be so cool if they made an animated movie or series with Jaws. Oh, okay. Maybe a different animator every episode, different story. Might be kind of neat. Cool. You can do a lot of stuff with animated Jaws.

I mean, hell, half the shark movies are computer animated anyway. That's true. Sants of Jaws. Yeah. That was made on a... TRS 80, I think. Didn't he have like Candy canes for teeth?

Yeah, that was ridiculous. Alian sharks is the movie I was thinking. They could, Brian, they could hear him coming because of the jingle bells. Oh, yeah, that's right. All right. In regards to the Fossum Friday podcast, Jerry Amick says a very cool initiative.

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Come on. I had a lot of fun with that one. I was just, like I was going to mention it when you said the Captain Hook getting up there and talking about it. the Disney thing. I was like, yeah, he's just trying to stop the pedophile.

Hey, I stand by my score because that movie was way better than it should have been. Yeah, watch the Winnie the Pooh ones and then watch that and tell me. Put you in the right mood, huh? Because you're like, oh man, this movie's great compared to those. All right, in regards to the facehugger,

facehugger and alien Romulus. Uh-oh. Kyle, stop at your sense. says it pisses me off. That thing wasn't even fully on her and had it her for 30 seconds, but still an egg was gestating and hatching within 30 minutes.

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Really good shading and everything on that one. Yeah. All right. On to featured attractions. We'll take a look at the brand new 28 years later and also the 2002 original. 28 days later. So we'll start with 2002, 28 days later. Four weeks after a mysterious incurable virus spreads throughout the United Kingdom,

a handful of survivors try to find sanctuary. Director is Danny Boyle, also known for shallow, Grave and Slumdog Millionaire. Oh, I forgot about that one. Yeah, that's a good movie. Writer is Alex Garland, also known for Annihilation and Dread. The Better Dread movie, although I do love me some Sylvester Stallone. Yeah, it's still fun.

The old one's still fun. Dom Hall Gleason looks just like this character in Echo Valley. There you go. Just give them some weird eyes. Right. Let's see. Alex Garland and Danny Boyle did a great deal of research into social unrest, drawing ideas from the things that had happened in Rwanda and Sierra Leone,

such as piling the bodies inside churches, but drew the line at using any actual footage from such incidents in the opening montage. All footage featuring dead bodies or desecration of bodies was faked. All right. 28 days later. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what they said about a culture guys, huh?

That's right. What's what you think? Man, I forgot how punk rocked this movie was. This is fucking awesome, dude. And this is why I'm so disappointed that I'm going to have to wait to see the new one. It's not that I'm not going to see it, but I'm going to wait until I get up to the theater and not have to watch these grandkids all day. Not that I don't love doing it, but I digress.

Yeah, from the beginning, this movie was really, like, against the grain, I think, of what you would expect with, you know. And zombies, maybe not zombies, who knows. But I love the characterizations. I love the way that they had certain characters that would come out, and you would kind of think, all right, well, these guys are going to end up turning on them. And then those are the ones you can trust. And then you've got ones that you're like, okay, finally, they found some people who are able to help protect them. And then you've immediately got like somebody driving around the car going, he he. Ah!

And they're like, okay, these guys are unhinged. And they got like a leader that's sort of like playing war games or something like that. And, you know, it spirals out of control quickly. But yeah, when they showed up with these two women, I'm like, eish. A lot of men around here. They probably haven't gotten a lot in several months. this is going to be problematic and indeed it was

especially after pops dies oh man I'm telling you it was rough but I will say this about Alex Garland the dude you know he he does get kind of a little political sometimes but he's really good when he's writing about these battle and warfare

type situations so like you know the Civil War movie and you know well warfare right is that the name of the newest one I think that he came out with I don't know about six or seven months ago but yeah they're

I think these two are probably good to work together I'm excited to see the new movie sorry you know kind of disappointed I wasn't able to in time but I think I think these two guys are a pretty good one two punch and I think that this is a lot more realistic of

the breakdown and what would really happen versus say seasons two through whatever of the walk dead where it just got silly. So, yeah, call them zombies or don't call them zombies, but, you know, these guys, these guys did it right. I really love the, uh, the, the visuals of this. I thought the cinematography was like amazing.

And you always had this sense of dread and this sense of chaos throughout the entire movie. And fuck, dude, that's what, that's what it would really be like if this shit broke out. So, yeah, a lot of, a lot of love for 28 days later. All right, Brian Yeah, definitely a classic movie Even though I personally don't consider them zombies They're just infected

Infected With the rage virus Which rewatching it I always wish they went more into how that was created Yeah Yeah, because I don't know what the whole deal was with the Maybe they were testing the cure And then putting on all the

The cure to rage yeah because this was yeah dude this was this was fucking coronavirus it was they created it in a lab and then tried to fix it yeah yeah yeah lab created sure yeah oh I didn't catch that

they were trying to they were trying to fix it and they had that the monkey with his like clockwork orangeed him on like a bunch of social disorder shit that was happening I was like are they testing the cure here or is that how they created it I don't know I'm not sure what happened Maybe some of each, right?

I know. A lot of similarities, just saying. And I agree with you, Lance, about the always got the feeling of dread because throughout this whole movie, you never felt like it was ever going to turn out good for anybody. Just whatever situation was, they were in the tone, the setting, just everything was just completely, just gave you a feeling of hopelessness. Yeah. And the acting was phenomenal,

especially Sillian, Killion, Murphy, I don't know which way it's pronounced. I'll go with Sillian. All right. Just his whole performance, the fact that this guy gets into an accident as a bike carrier and then wakes up in a hospital

does not have a clue on what's going on. Walking Dead. Yeah. Yeah, I did that really, I noticed that big time, right? Like, which came first, the chicken of the egg, right? Well, I read somewhere that Danny Boyle jokingly said that the Walking Dead and he should collect royalties from the Walking Dead and The Last of Us. Yeah, there you go. Oh, they did that too, didn't they?

They also did that. Well, I guess it's an easy setup, right? for a post-apocalyptic type scenario. It's a good way to put you in the shoes of the main character, every man. Oh, yeah. And like, where you're suddenly in this world and you're not sure what exactly is going on. Yeah. Who else?

Naomi Harris did a phenomenal job. She was badass. I love how you get to know her type of character immediately. When her friend gets infected. Right. she not waste no time and just not even trying to hack the arm off because that's what I thought she was doing it first and then she just kept swinging dead style because I watched it with my daughter and I was like I don't think he's going for the arm I think she's yeah he's dead yeah

that's that's a lot of blood and we talked about Daumont Gleason his father Brendan Gleason mm-hmm yep yeah it's a Gleason family reunion this week. He brought a little hope to the movie. He was a little more optimistic than everybody. And when his demise came, it was super sad. But it also was the

saddest part of the movie. But it was a good scene because it just showed you how quick this virus works. Yeah. And man, it is fast. A little drop of blood in the eye. And 60 seconds later, he's fully turned. Yeah. And trying to murder his own daughter.

Yeah. Yeah, at least he warned him. You know, get away from me. Yeah. Yeah, he was doing his best to try to fight it, but it quickly overtook him. And then as the movie goes, it slowly ramps up until we get this whole,

pretty much like an action set piece with the soldiers in that mansion. He's just taking them out one by one. And you got the infected, released on them. And the scene that always, sticks in my head is when he takes out that one soldier with the thumbs to the eyes. Oh yeah. That was rough.

Super good effects on that one. They use that again and 28 weeks later. Yeah. Yeah. Because I checked that one out too. It's pretty good. Yeah, I did too. Good catch. But yeah. Super Stackcast. Yeah. And a young

Imaging Poots. It is. Image and Poots. she's a good actress she's got that one shitty movie yeah sometimes people have that one shitty movie that just kind of sticks with you got to get it out of their system huh yeah well and that wasn't her fault

but classic movie I loved everything from the writing the direction and the acting was phenomenal yeah very good very realistic uh yeah I uh I definitely enjoyed myself with this one

It's a classic, I'm going to say zombie movie because I don't think that it's even a question. I mean, I guess they don't die. So it is sort of an infection. I guess I can see where you're coming from in a technical sense. Anyway. Yeah, I might just be too technical because the zombie virus is an infection also. Yeah. Yeah.

Although it affects people that are dead. Semantics. Yeah. I guess. Well, but then. Well, it can infect people that are still alive, I guess. But how long do they live? I mean, do they still die?

Well, I guess they do still die if you shoot them in the head, but... Huh. This talk could go on for hours, right? I know. I'm going to put a poll in there on the Facebook page. Okay. See what the people think. I think the people are going to think they're zombies.

Yeah. I know this person does. Yeah. Well, that was. That was obviously the goal. It was a zombie virus, but they made it more realistic, like something that might actually be able to happen. Yes.

And I think the whole movie was pretty realistic. And yeah, when dad gets killed, that was rough. It was just such a shitty, because I love the character, and he's kind of awesome through the whole thing. And it was just such a shitty circumstance that he gets infected in, you know? Yeah, he seemed like a lot of fun. Yeah. A scene when he just drives over shit with his taxi.

Yeah, he's having a good time, man. I always wanted to do this. Right. And even with the current situation of things, he still leaves his debit card to pay for the groceries. Yeah. What a nice guy. The grocery store scene was a lot of fun. there's much

there's a lot less infected in here than I thought there was going to be it's a lot more about human stuff it is very walking dead like they straight up ripped this off just you know more comic bookie

I kind of would have loved to have seen in the second one what happened to these same people you know right because I don't don't know how much they really describe at the end, you know, they sort of leave it open.

But yeah, man. They kind of make it seem like that plane's coming back for them. Right. The events of the next couple of movies it doesn't seem likely that anybody was coming for anybody. Okay. Right? Just joyriding, I guess.

Sounds like they got a quarantined. Dimp Daddy Ness. Daddy Nez Jesus Christ But yeah You hear me? Yeah Yo

All right I'm here Put me in coach All right Well I'll wrap it up real quick Uh All right I should have found a fucking boat man

That's what I would do But They've done it in other zombie movies Nez Is this a zombie movie or not Hell no This ain't no zombie movie Uh oh okay

They're infected They're not zombies Is this the first one? Yes, the first one. Oh, no, man, they were infected. They weren't eating nobody. All they were doing was throwing up blood and biting people. They didn't eat anyone up.

That's why I was wondering. I guess that's true. They were saying that they starved to death. I'm like, well, they weren't eating anyone. I mean, all they would do was when they were tackling everyone. They were just throwing up all over them and then getting them infected. And then that was all they were doing. Yeah, it doesn't seem to be.

like he'd be able to lose that much blood and just like keep going. I don't know. Yeah. Because they were throwing up like gallons, especially that one dude at the end, that soldier. Yeah. And like multiple times. Yeah.

I was like, dang. But I mean, overall, I thought it was a good film because the first time I heard of it was like a year before it came to America. Somebody sent me something. Have you seen this? And I was like, what is this so i found the trailer found the web the official website for it at the time and it was like it's coming out on DVD and i was like wait what and didn't realize it was only

over in the uk yeah i was like damn man so here i was searching searching the other places other means and nothing so and then it finally got a release date for america so that first That first day, it came out on Friday. I went and saw it. There wasn't many people in there. So I assume it didn't get going until it was like word of mouth until everyone started to see it. In the area I was in Reno in Nevada. Because I would say, I watched it twice.

And I think there might have been maybe 10 people. The first showing, the showing after was later. and more people showed up. So it was probably about 30, 40 in there. But I mean, as it got going, people started talking about it. And I was like, oh, cool. And then when they re-released it with the alternative ending,

it was at the end of the credits. I was like, well, cool. So let me go see it again. So what was the alternative ending? The one where Jim dies. Oh. I don't know that I've seen that. After they crashed through.

that gate after after he got shot. They show what was the woman's name? Damn. Oh, maybe I have seen that. The young black lady, I can't remember her name. Selena.

Yeah, Selena, she took him to the hospital and she was trying to do whatever to, they show like quick flashes of it in the theatrical cut, but then he didn't make it. So she kind of just cried and left him there

and then she walked out of the hospital and then it was over. I guess that one's not canon if he's coming back, right? Oh, no. But in the theatrical version, he made it, he made it through, so that was cool. But I mean, I thought for what it was and what they did to

make the film, they shot it with I think it was a little mini DV cameras. or whatever. Yeah, it's got a super indie look for being a 2002 film with these kind of people in it. Because it looked all choppy. At that time, nobody knew who Killingen Murphy was. That's true.

That was one of his first ones. But like the other girl had been in stuff, right? The only one I knew was Hannah's dad. Yeah. He was in late class. Yeah, Brendan Gleason. Yeah, he was the only one I knew in it. so but but when the movie was over

I was I loved it I thought it was an awesome film and but yeah first reviewing I was like thank zombies I liked how it started I mean just infection and it went wild with rage and then it just took over

I just recently watched it with my son he had never seen any of them because he wants to see the new one but he's down in Houston partying so I was like all right so I went and seen it I saw the new one opening day. But this one, I love it. It's one of the amazing indie films at the time.

And because if you notice the camera work, it's kind of all gritty in the beginning. But at the end, it was all nice and HD clear and all that. So I don't know if they use the same cameras to film the ending. I wonder if that was intentional. Yeah, I just figured, oh, it's a new day. and we're still alive and all this. Because my son, he's the one that caught it. He was like, hey, did you realize the camera work changed?

And I was like, what? I said, I said, I said, I said this like a billion times. I had to rewind it. Oh, okay. Yeah, I didn't realize that. That didn't click. Yeah. I didn't either.

I thought it said kind of scratch you to the end. No. No, when he wakes up, when he's in that cabin, wherever they are. Right. It's all nice and crystal clear. So I don't know why they did that. Yeah, but overall I thought it was a good film

The beginning was probably the scariest part to me When he wakes up and didn't know What the hell was happening in everything Because that part still gives me The creeps when he walks into that church And then he was like, hello And those two like just turn around and look at him really quick And then he's got no idea what's happening

So it's like oh shit Yeah And then that priest comes walking in all tweaking out and everything. I was like, oh, my God, what's happening? And then they all start hauling ass after him. I was like, man, he's already like, he just woke up. And he was out for a month.

And I'm sure his strength. And all he's been drinking is Pepsi. Gross. But, man, I mean, I guess the adrenaline kicked in. And he's luckily that Selena and that other dude showed up. And I thought that was cool. I loved how they had that all. that up and they blew up that big

bum. And just for them, I mean, I watched the making of it as well. Them shutting down everything. They told them, look, I guess at that time when they filmed it because it was like early in the morning, I guess the sun came up earlier

over there. And they told them, look, you got 10 minutes to film what you need to film. So they shut everything off pretty much. And then they shot what they shot. And I thought that was amazing. What they did to clear the streets of London.

And it was it London? Is that where they were? I think so. Wherever they were. Yeah, definitely London. Big, big band and Tower of London. Oh, yeah. For them to clear off the streets like that,

and that was an eerie scene of him just walking along and didn't know what the hell was happening and screaming, hello. The Walking Dead kind of copied that too, didn't they? Absolutely. Walking Dead copied a lot, man. Locking Day copied everything. But yeah, I thought the film was amazing.

I thought everybody in it, all the acting was good. And I felt for Hannah, when her dad changed, just that one little drop in his eye. Such a shitty situation. He just turned to his daughter and said, I love you. And then that was it. And he just started to tweak out and everything. Yeah. Oh, I also, the main.

Army guy. He was in I can't remember what he was in. So I knew two people. He was a Doctor. He was a Doctor Who. Yeah, he looked. Yeah, he was. But he was a Doctor Who, guys. He was an actual doctor for two seasons. This dude's got some British cred for sure. I seen him as something else. He was a bad guy.

I can't remember what it was. It was another Danny Poro movie. Which one? Oh, he was like a gangster or something. I think. Might have been train spotting. All I remember is

Obi-Wan. Okay. The one guy from he was in a snatch, Julian donkey boy. Oh, he was also in the first Alien versus Predator.

He was the only guy I remember those two in that film. He was on the bad one. but yeah I mean this this movie is amazing I loved it and I haven't watched it in a really long time so it was good and I was glad that my son got to sit there and enjoy it I told him to watch the second one

but from what I understand it's got nothing that I guess they're not canon anymore I don't know but oh okay that's what they're saying I don't know how true that is I could just listen into the internet but yeah I don't know how much it even matters because I'm not sure if they did anything related to this story at all in the second one. Not that it was bad.

Just, no, I enjoyed the second one. It was a totally separate story, yeah. Had Hawkeye and Idris Alba and that one chick from Insidious. Yeah, Rose Byrne. Yeah, and what's his name from the Formanti? Gazzo.

Ah. The main guy. Robert, Robert Carlo. Yeah, and he was in, um, what was that one when they were up in the Cierras? And he was eating everyone? Alive. Ravenous.

Oh, yeah. That was a good movie. That was hell of good. That was another movie. Listen to the natives when they tell you shit's going to go sideways. No one listens. And then everything went to shit in that film. We ought to do that one at some time point, Brian.

I love that movie. That was hell of good. Yeah. Write it down. But yeah, 28 days later, awesome film. All right. Scores, Lance, what do you think? Eight on 10.

Okay. Brian? We'll go nine. Yeah, I think I'm going to give it a nine as well. It is a classic zombie film. I love it. Zombie, Naz. Nas, what do you think?

Oh, this is a nine. I already gave it a 10. If it kind of drugged a little once they got to the Army. guys? Yeah, a little bit. And them trying to rape a little girl, I was like, nah. That was dark. Yeah.

She tries, Selina tries to give her those pills. Oh. So you won't think about it that much. Like, there's only one guy there that's going to be like, hang on, what the fuck? They're killing him. They beat him and tied him up.

It was just fucked up. I feel like there'd be more people that stopped that from happening hopefully. At first I thought they were just like that's where they were sent to hold that area down but they were I guess

deserters they kind of took off and did their own thing. They seemed like really bad soldiers. Yeah. Or did all the rest of them die? And that told it was left. That guy made it seem like they just everything went sideways when they were supposed to hold that blockade

in Manchester or wherever they were. And they just, that was all, survived. So they stuck it out there. Yeah. Some seem like they had training and others seem like they showed up and they were

like here, put these fatigues on. Yeah. Oh, because the one of them, one of the soldiers that were saying, hey, the main guy promised them that he'd get women there.

Yeah. So I think that's why they all kind of just stuck it out. But yeah, that, me. It would have been a 10, but all that wasn't going on with their, what their evil plan they wanted to do. But yeah, this movie is nine. It's hell of good. Helly good. I like it. All right. On to 28 years later, a group of survivors of the rage virus live on a small island.

When one of the group leaves the island on a mission into the mainland, he discovers secrets, wonders, and horrors that have mutated not only the infected, but other survivors. director is Danny Boyle again writer again is Alex Scarlett this film was primarily shot using an iPhone 15 Pro Max which makes this film the biggest feature length movie to be shot on a smartphone I did not know that huh all right Niz what do you think about 28 years later

all right I didn't know the iPhone thing either but when I started doing research and I guess they had a bunch of them because I guess some of the scenes they kind of did like the Matrix thing and had like a whole role of them. They must have got a special at T-Mobile.

But yeah, I thought for not knowing that it was shot with iPhones, I mean, I thought it looked awesome, especially the scenery shots. Yeah. And when the action and all that was happening and especially,

this is in the trailer, when they were running across the water I mean that was cool That's what I was just going to say Because that looks bad ass in the movie Was it on a drone And they were just I don't know

I thought that was sweet Oh probably that makes sense Craven the Hunter Yeah He was underused I mean I Kickass I think They could have used them a little more

But I like him a lot His little son I thought he did a really good job I thought he was amazing the lady that played as mom, I thought she was really good. And the infected,

they were saying there was some new strain and they mutated it into giant Jason Mamoa, caveman or something. And I don't know what was up with all the the big swinging dicks. No weeners? well they dropped the

well that's spoilers I'll just wait not about the dicks but yeah well I think we can mention so I took my daughter to see this movie and she was like covered her eyes and I was like I don't get any expectations

that's not real hey I don't know man those guys were hanging 10 running more more dicks than the righteous gemstones I mean but I liked what they were doing It took me, I watched it twice.

I was kind of like, at first time I was like, it's different. It's not what I thought it was going to be. But then it would probably just been just like the first two. But I liked that it mutated into something else. Because even after the first one, they said they just died from starvation. So I figured it would have been all right. But then in the second one, they were all still alive and they're still running around.

again I don't know if this can with the first and the the third one but I was like okay but I guess yeah I mean things things mutate so all right so this is that and this is what's happening to now they're

well I guess that's kind of a spoiler but they're different they're not like just running around spitting a blood on you and right in creating more because it seemed like they turned into they show them in the trailer

into like cavemen type of people running around. So I was like, okay, this is different. But watching it the second time, I was like, all right, I see what they're trying to do.

I had no idea this was going to be a trilogy. Because at the end, I was like, wait, what the hell's happening here? You got Dennis and the gang. But I'm like, okay.

But I was like, all right, cool. I like what's happening here. Yeah, that last scene was fucking wild. No spoilers, but it,

it looked like it came out of nowhere. A completely different movie. I was like, what is happening right now? Yeah. And then it ended and I was like, wait, what? That's when I started to go back and I went, oh, they said to make more. Those are going to be the ones with Cillian or Killian Murphy, I guess, is the second and the third one.

He's going to show up in the second and be prominent in the third. Because I guess he was just a producer in this one. But in the trailer, they show one of the infected. It's like pretty much a skeleton. I thought that was Jim at first. Kind of look like him. He said it's not him. Yeah.

He said he will be in one of the movies. Oh, okay. Well, good. Yeah, the last thing I read said he's going to be featured in the second one, and he's going to be a prominent character in the third one. Okay. Well, again, I didn't know two more was coming. I just thought that was it.

And because at the end, I was like, wait, what? What's happening? And the credit just start rolling. I was like, oh, man. But overall, I dug it. I mean, if I would just watch it the first time and then start talking about it, we haven't done it yet on East Society. So I was kind of like, all right, that's what we're doing.

But now that I know more is coming, I'm like, okay, I can get behind what they're doing. But overall, I thought everybody in it, I mean, the little boy, he's the All-Star. I thought he was awesome. But when we get to spoilers, there was something. I was like, no. But I don't know. We'll see. what happens. Yeah, but overall, I thought it was a really good film. I thought the story moved along pretty good.

And some of the scenes in the beginning with him and the kickass Craven, and they were just talking, that kind of drug a little. But I get what's going on. They're just trying to build this new world in the 28 series. But yeah, I thought it was an awesome film. I liked it. And the character, which makes sense. All right, Brian, what do you think? I don't know how I feel about this one. I agree with Ness in the beginning. It did drag a little bit.

I know they were building up the characters and the relationship between Kickass and his son and showing you what kind of condition the mother's in. It didn't really get gone until essentially the road trip because this movie is a road trip that happened. in a movie to get to a destination. Once it got there, it started ramping up for me. I thought acting wise, everybody knocked it out to park.

Jody Comer as the mother, kick-ass as the father. I think the little boy's name is Alfie Williams. He was great, especially for his age to put on a performance like he did. Yeah, a lot of kid actors are pretty annoying and he's not. yeah and then ray finds when he shows up yeah oh he's fucking fantastic he he shows he shows up and he starts info dumping on on what we need to know about the infected

and I thought that was a nice little touch yeah and they do drop little stuff here and there about why the infected are like they are now and but there was certain scenes where I didn't know if it was really happening or not and the way the background looked when they we'll get to it in spoilers but the way the background looked I was like is this really happening is this a dream sequence what's going on okay and um as far as the infected I like that they mutated they not only mutated they evolved yeah and uh I just I liked all

it just, the beginning just was real slow for me and just took a little while to go and there was just some sequences. I didn't know if it was necessarily happening or not or why it was happening like that. You guys think, sorry, Brian, do you think some of that's because there's going to be three movies, so they got to kind of space it out a little bit, like do more world building and all that? I'm not sure maybe once the second one come out because the second one already has a release date for January maybe

Oh sweet Maybe I'll come back already Yeah they found the This one and that one back to back Okay Put it out now No kidding I'm ready

You know they got a way to everything's got to wait a year Well they better hype it up at Comic Con Hey Nez It's out there as you like to say but overall I enjoyed this one not as much as I did

maybe maybe like I'm like Nez and I need a second watching to kind of just kind of put it over the edge for me so but I definitely do want to check it out a second time all right I think I kind of love this movie

it was uh I think they did a great job so here's sort of what they did in a non-spoilerly way. So I think the story for the next three movies is going to revolve around this kid and it turns into like this adventure thing. Like where it started...

Heroes Journey? Yeah. And where it started out, I think, as, you know, him growing up and you get to meet his dad who is a very straight-shooting good dude and tries to give him little life lessons and stuff and so you've got a background of that.

And then there, his little, man, I guess I can't get too far into that with spoilers. But the first encounters are pretty scary. And then like later on in the movie, it's still scary, but it turns into more of an adventure, world building thing.

And it's like a lot of fun to just go into this new, and see what the fuck is going on there, you know? And I think they did a great job. I had a lot of fun with it. I was completely weirded out by the last scene. Because if this was a standalone movie, that would make zero sense. What I looked up about that, because when we get there, I'll talk about it. I have even more questions once I read what they were wearing, what it was referencing.

Okay Oh now I'm confused I'm intrigued I think he's going to be the bat Yeah all right I guess I can't get too far into it Okay All right

We'll get this one All right Scores Nez what do you think On my initial watch The first time I was like Okay what's happening here

And I was probably going to go around five But after watching it the second time I moved it up to a seven because there were some scenes I was like, eh, okay, next. But, yeah, again, I didn't realize

it was a trilogy. So I'm like, okay, it's building up to something. So I'm like, yeah, I can go high as seven for this one. Okay, that makes sense.

Brian, what do you think? I am going to give it a seven and a half. I love the acting in it. I thought it was shot phenomenally, you know, technology's come a long way. You know, this is filmed with an iPhone.

Yeah, I didn't realize that. That's crazy. Because I send a picture in the message feed of the contraptions that they use. I bet one of them's got to be a drone, right? And I'm very interested to see where this story goes, especially, yeah, Phil, when that ending happened, I had to do some digging. And the stuff I found out, I'm just kind of like, huh? now I'm curious but yeah the seven and a half

my score will probably change on a second watch because I think I'll understand more on the second watch so my score will probably go up at seven and a half for right now

yeah I'm gonna give it an eight and a half man I had a lot of fun with this movie like I was I was pretty happy about it coming out of the theater I wanted to talk about it

you know I was excited to do this episode um yeah I I kind of liked it. Let's get to spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. What would Lance think? Lance did not see it, unfortunately. Oh. Come on, man.

Okay. It's your show. What are you doing? Jack O'Connell, who we saw from sinners. Oh, sinners. That's right. That's right. He shows up as the Jimmy that was the little boy from the beginning.

Okay. Oh, okay. He now has a cult-like gang, and they're all dressed in track suits. Of a bunch of Swedish ninjas? Oh, my God. Yeah, so I look it up. I'm like, just got to be a little bit of dress like that. And they all got like the same hairstyle.

That was the Dennis gang from like Cainter. So I looked it up. I guess the look is based off an English media personality and DJ named Jimmy Seville. Oh. Oh, I heard this is going way off. Okay. He is known for his eccentric image, charitable work and hosting BBC shows top of the pops and blah, blah, blah, blah. After his death, hundreds of allegations of sexual abuse made him.

Oh, that's right. That's why I've heard of him. I knew it was something. Oh, boy. Ouch. His reputation. He was the Penn State guy. Yeah, leading the police to conclude that he was the predatory sex offender.

And they want to be like him? Lance, they are dressed apparently like him, and then they have the hair. And like Phillips said, they're fucking ninjas. Yeah, and he's got like a big upside-down. cross on. So I think he's going to be the bad guy in the series. That was the cross that, that, uh, was that preacher? Was that his dad in the beginning? No, he, I think he ran there for safety. Yeah, because he gave him that and said, keep it with him. Yeah, the preacher thought it was the rapture coming. So he was like giving, given the kid time to run.

And he told him, he gave him a cross and he told him and you keep this with you always. I don't think it was when he shows up at the end. It was upside down when the preacher gave it to him, was it? No, it? No, it wasn't it? That whole beginning was wild. I was like, all right, man.

This is starting off with a bang. Because he charged in there and he was running for his life and then that priest was all crazy. He said, this is it. Let's just all infect ourselves and we can all live happily ever after. And I was like,

oh, hell, no. I mean, I mean, people, there are. That's kind of like bird box, uh, Barcelona. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. Yeah. Okay. Oh, but I, I loved what was happening.

I was like, oh, because it just, it kicked right off. Right. Then after that whole beginning scene, uh, with the infected and everything, and then it just kind of just, you kind of went down for a minute. That's when we started to see kick ass and his son and everything. Well, there, there was some good stuff in their little, hunting trip, which I guess wasn't really a hunting trip. It was like

a coming of age ritual that he's becoming a man that he takes him out and they kill infected. That's when you get introduced to that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. The evolved infected called the alphas which they're a little bit smarter

and there was a line dropped by the boy because one of the soldiers that they run into ask them why are they so big? Mm-hmm. He said the infection works like steroids. Oh, wow. It's just on your penis, apparently.

Husband said that would have made their weenies teeny. Because that was creepy. They made their balls the size of raisins. I thought that was creepy the way. They just kind of stood guard and they were watching. And then when they saw people or whatever, then they gave them the signal. And then the whole gang came tearing over that hill chasing after them.

Because that one scene was creepy when they were hiding in that house in the attic. and he was looking out the little cracks and everything. And you can see the silhouette of that one just standing there on the hill. Yeah. Waiting for something to jump off. I was like, whoa. And then when they were running for their lives at night through across the water, and then you just see that one just chasing after them.

I was like, oh, man. And the water's coming off of their feet like it's glowing. Such a beautiful scene. Yeah. Again, yeah. I mean, just not knowing this is all. shot with iPhones. I was like, whoa. I said, I thought they did an amazing job.

I mean, technology, it's crazy on what they do. Yeah, I mean, yeah, Brian, when you were saying that you didn't know what parts were real or not? Because that those, those night shots. The boy would have a lot of dreams also. Okay. The shots with the night vision. I was like, what is this?

But I guess that was just them showing that this is what they do when they're running around at night. And then they started saying that they, they're not just infecting people. They learned how to eat other things because then they were eating animals and all that. Because in the first one, it's like animals, they didn't have nothing to do with them.

They were just going out of people. I wish they explained. They explained the alphas and they explain why they look that way and that they're not only mutated, but they're like adapting. But they didn't explain those facts. ones that were like crawling on the ground. Yeah.

Those were beefy. They were cool, though. Yeah, they're like big fat. All they do is crawl. Yeah, that was creepy. They just pick worms up off the ground and eat the worms. That's like how they, I don't know how they get so fat off of worms,

but apparently that's all they do is crawl around and eat worms. Jesus. That scene when the boy and his mom were sleeping, and then you just see that one crawling over. I don't know if you guys have seen, um, uh, space hunting.

the adventure in the Forbidden Zone. There's a scene where... It's been a while. The main guy in Molly Ringwald are like they kind of pulled into this place and stopped in these fat little slug-like people like in these were chasing after them. It kind of reminded me of those.

But yeah, that one that was just inching its way over to them, and I was like, oh, hell no, what is this? Yeah, it grabs his shoelace because it thinks it's like a worm. and then like, yeah, it fits it out. And then he starts, like, crawling on his foot. And then, yeah, I was confused about whether that was real or not, too. And the, his mom apparently got up and whooped the test, right? When they were chasing after the soldiers, when they were running through that little canal,

and then we see that one naked lady, I was like, wait, wait, is she pregnant? I wasn't sure. But then they come back to her later, and she's on the train. And, I mean, I think, like, their brains evolved. They're not, they don't just, ah, immediately chase you. I think she knew she was giving birth because she was just standing there

and then that mom went in there and was like holding her hands, but I was like, but as soon as the baby fell out, that's when it just went up and turned back into the rage. But that was the part that I was kind of like, no, because the babies immediately need some kind of nourishment.

And they didn't have anything. Ray Fines did say the baby will survive of days with water, but it needs milk to live. Yeah. So I was kind of like, huh. I mean, I would at least want them to show that. But what was that moment all about? I guess the baby was not infected. Yeah, which is crazy.

Yeah, the placenta does magical things. Yeah. He was such a great character in this movie. I thought he was going to be a bad guy because they were. the way they were saying, oh, he's crazy and this and that. Well, that wasn't too crazy. He's covering himself in, what was it?

Iodine, because he said if the infection doesn't like iodine. In the trailer, I'm wondering, why is he like roundish orange? I thought of blood it was all over. Yeah, I was like, this guy is crazy. But then when you find out it was iodine. I didn't, I must have not really paid attention to trailers or anything because I didn't know he was in it. but when he popped up in it, I was like, okay, cool.

But he's usually the bad guy. I mean, Shindler's list ruined it for me. And the Ambien, Voldemort, and the Red Dragon, when I see him, I just see a bad guy. I mean, you never know, as he,

this is a trilogy, he couldn't turn. But I know, but I mean, in this one, he's good quotes. But I thought his character was good. and then what he was telling that that kid on what was going on and that, oh,

that scene with his mom. Oh, that part got me. Oh, yeah. She found out what was wrong with her. I was like, I think there was a line there. It sounded like she knew. Yeah.

Because she said, I should have told, when she was talking to her son, she said, I should have told you. Well, she knew something was wrong for sure. Yeah. I was just like, man, I mean, that's, when they were saying something was wrong, I was like, oh, man, she's, she's not going to make it. And I was just hoping, I was sorry for the whole time. I was just hoping Ray Fines wasn't being weird or nothing because he's given her a breast exam.

Yeah. And I was like, is this the moment where he turns? Yeah, so he was the doctor, right? And apparently he had been set up in this one spot by himself, just burning bodies and shit, since the kid's dad was a kid. Yeah. I don't know how he survived that long. Was that him when they were telling the story?

Yeah. Had all the bodies lined up? Yeah, the weird doctor. That was him. Okay, all right. That's what I figured. But, I mean, overall, I mean, I thought it was cool. And I love that they evolved and they mutated into something else.

Because it would have probably just been another, or let's run for our lives. and these affected people are chasing us. But on what's going on. And then some, because I was thinking, was that one pregnant one? Was she pregnant and then then turned? Or did one of the alphas do his thing? I think they're just evolved into a society where they're breeding now.

Yeah. But I guess when the baby comes out, it's still not infected? I know. I would think it would be, wouldn't it? Do they raise it and then infected or? I don't know. The only other kid that I've seen amongst the infected was when the little fat ones that crawl on the ground, there was an infected fat one. Yeah, that's true.

That they let live. But I don't know. That one seemed like it kind of evolved too because they had a chance to kill it and they didn't and it just left. Yeah. I didn't like those ones when they shot in the woods. when we first see him. I was like, oh, man. Yeah. Out of all of everything,

I thought those little fat ones were the scariest. Yeah. It sounds like it, man. Well, yeah, no, I'll check this movie out, Nez. I'm heartbroken. I couldn't see it in time to talk about it. But, dude, I got family in and out of this house. When are you coming to visit, Nez?

The red carpet's been rolled out for you, dude, for Jason. He's coming to horror nights. Jason. Yeah, dude. you and I put to that. All right. Either September or October, I'm not sure, because I got all kinds of stuff happening.

And right now I'm just saving my money for San Diego once Comic Con hits. Yeah, understandable. So, but I mean, yeah, but overall, the movie I thought was awesome. But all right, boys, I got a jet. I'm still here at the... At work. so yeah Brian and we got wrestling coming

we get at Night of Champions or whatever the hell it is I don't think it should have happened but I'm not pulling the strings over there But you don't write the script Taking a plane ride to Saudi Arabia To put on a show at this time Oh not the best time

I guess Sien punk was in hot water for a second Uh uh uh I don't know man There's a lot going on over there, but we'll see what happens. And mommy, what she's wearing, and I'm like, Oh, boy. I know she's covered, but okay. She got a cover up with a face covering and all.

I don't know if that's going to fly there. My little quick review for action returns. Right on you guys rule, I did the debt collector. And I will do the second one, debt collectors. I said, give it a week or so because I don't want to give you guys a chance to watch that first one before I spoil the second one. All right. I got a jet.

So everyone, thank you so much for listening. And Brian and I got more for you. Action returns, horror returns, not horror returns. Action returns. Wrestling.

Wrestling. And, let's the other one. Stream fiends. And, oh, shout out to everyone to listen to our Friday 13th, the commentary.

You guys rule. Yeah. We got some feedback. All right, man. I'm out of here, brother. I appreciate you. Peace. Is that it?

guys or more to spoil there's a lot of weird shit in this movie it's there's a lot to get into but we'll be here another couple hours yeah oh and most of what we talked about was like five minutes of the movie the very beginning and the very end right didn't really make any sense the jimmis the jimmis civil shit yeah okay yeah i'm i'm interested to see where the movie goes with right how the infected is evolved and now you got this cult gang called the jimmy any of our UK listeners, if you know the reason why they would want to dress like this man after the stuff he's been accused of. Because they're the bad guys, I'm telling you, this is the Odyssey. Okay.

Oh, that makes perfect sense. Yeah. Makes sense. He's going to get through these guys and there's going to be another group of weirdos. Yes. Okay. More to come. More to come. All right.

Well, as always, we want to thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of The Horror Returns. We'd love to hear your feedback and ideas. Email us or just go to thehorrorreturns.com and follow everything from there. Next week, we're going to check out, let's see if Mithrigan 2.0 surprises us like the first one did, where I think we all expected it to suck. Kind of like smile, right? I enjoyed the first one. I think you guys did, if I remember correctly.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I just think from what I've seen in the trailer, they're going way left. Yeah. I know. Like the Marvel fucking superhero shit. We have a winning formula. Let's turn and deviate right here.

Yeah. Right. Like the last one did so well that we're going to completely change what we're doing. I know. All right. Well, we can be hopeful. Oh, and we're also going to check out. Oh, and there's one we don't have to feel guilty about any thoughts

because it's going to be subservience in addition to that. So that one's a little bit easier. And she fucks. It's a good one. Brian. Oh, back to spoilers for a second. The part that I love the most and had me fucking dying. So this Swedish army dude shows up, right?

And so that's when you sort of learn that they've just got this island quarantine. Everything else is going on like right, right. And so he's like in the Navy or something. And he's like, ah, I could have been a fucking UPS driver or some shit, whatever it is. Right. Yeah. And so now he's stuck on this island because they wrecked or something. And he shows the kid who has been in isolation on this thing, his whole life, a picture of his girlfriend.

And he goes, what's wrong with their face? because she's got these lip fillers and shit he was like I know what happened there's a girl in my village she's allergic to shrimp that's what happens to her oh it's so funny dude

it got a legit snort out of me in the theater life lesson women stop fucking with your face it looks weird right love island my wife can't stop

watching that one. All of them. Yeah, the 15-year-old. They're like 20, and they've got shit under their face. I know. The 15-year-old here's been watching it the whole time she's been here. So it's a phenomenon. All right, Brian, until the horror returns again. Good night.