The Horror Returns - THR: Flashback - October 2017 Movies

Episode Date: March 25, 2022

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victims for those of you delight and dread who fantasize about fear who glorify and welcome you have found the place where the horror returns listeners beware this podcast contains major plot spoilers in the foulest of language Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. It is October, and that means Halloween season. And on this special bonus episode, we're going to be talking about three new films available now. Just in time for the season, you may want to check out.

We're doing a little differently. Normally, we do with these new ones, we do a spoiler alert. and then we talk spoilers toward the end. But since this is a bonus episode and these are all very readily available movies, fuck it. We're just going to go through and spoil all of them as we go, try to keep this down to like 45 minute or less show.

And just kind of, if you haven't seen these and you don't want to be spoiled, don't listen. I'll just leave it at that, right, Brian? Yep. All right, we're also getting... You know what? The spoilers are probably not that bad. Yeah. I may as well go like that out.

I mean, fuck, dude. two of these movies are on Netflix, okay? So, you know, and the third one, you know, if you're like me and you don't want to pay $10.99 to rent it, you're probably not going to see it anyway, so who gives a fuck if you're spoiled, right? So. Yeah. And we will use the four-letter words, by the way. So I'm Lance, and with me as always my co-host, Brian and Philip.

And again, joining us is our good friend and longtime contributor, Patrick Lear. How's it going, everybody? I'm pretty good. Official producer. Yeah, official producer. producer Patrick Lear. The three new fit, King Lear, you might say. The three new films, we are covered in either Gerald's Game and Cult of Chucky,

and they're both available on Netflix, US, as well as Leatherface, which you can catch on demand on direct TV for the low, low rental price of $10.99. Yes, Christ. Go see you of Matinee for less than that. Yeah, they say you can rent it through iTunes and Amazon, but I check. iTunes and the only leather face that came up was the Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3, which was originally... But you know...

You know what I'm going to be for Halloween this year? Leatherface. A pirate. Ar! I'm sure you can find him somewhere. Aye, aye, aye. All right. Well, let's start with...

Let's start with Gerald's game. Director of Mike Flanagan, also known for... for Hush and Oculus. Writers were Mike Flanagan and Jeff Howard, and those two work together quite a bit. Notice Jeff Howard seems to do all the screenplays for Flanagan's movies, so that's pretty cool. And when Gerald says, all things serve the beam, this is a reference to Stephen King's Dark Tower novel series. Also, Gerald refers to the dog as Kujo, which of course is a reference to the Stephen King book of the same name. and the woman from the dream Jessica describes

as standing over a well during an eclipse is Dolores Claybourne the main character from Stephen King's 1992 novel of the same name so lots of King references in here what do you guys think of this movie he wants to go first Patrick

I'll let one of you guys go first this time okay well I'll go first because I read the book and I really enjoyed the book and actually what's funny is this I think this book in Dolores Claybourne came out the same year. And they were actually both very thin books by Stephen King's standards. It might have been like, you know, 350 pages rather than his normal 1,000 plus.

I don't remember everything about the book. I do remember that, yeah, like the scene with the dog and stuff like that, eating the husband. But it's a very simple, it's a very simple concept. basically you've got an older, like, middle-aged husband and wife. He's probably a little bit older than she is, and the magic has kind of gone out of their marriage. So they say, let's go out to the country, let's spice things up. I'm bringing a couple of handcuffs,

probably brought all kinds of lubricants. They probably brought a number of dildos, French ticklers. I'm sure they brought feathers, leather. Now, they didn't show all that. I'm just assuming they brought all that. That stuff was all in his pack, ready to come out later.

But we do get to see the handcuffs. And Gerald takes himself a little blue pill and handcuffs his beautiful wife to the bed and starts playing a little rough and she doesn't like it. So things go a little bit crazy from there because Gerald has a heart attack, falls down right on top of her and

and dies. And so basically the whole movie is her handcuffed to a bed and all the things that go through her head. Some of which might be real, some of which might not be real. Hallucinations, thirst,

hunger, being out here in the middle of nowhere. I thought the first two-thirds of the movie was awesome. I did a great job of capturing that kind of desperation. And I think that the last third lost me a little bit when they kind of did a little twist there that was a little I don't know if I believe this but uh when when the bye-bye man showed up exactly exactly man

other than that I was kind of okay with that no I thought it was a really entertaining movie um I think that uh Bruce Greenwood did a great job as as Gerald um you know and I thought that Carla, what's her, Carla, Gugino. Gugino. First of all, let me say that she's a very attractive lady, man. She's on my hall pass list. She's definitely up there.

But yeah, she was great. The acting was really, really good in this for what they had to work with. I think Flanagan's a really good director. So I enjoyed it a bit. Lance. You said you read the story, right? I did. Okay, was there more to Gerald?

Um, like his background. Yeah, I think so. I think, well, I, you know what? Somebody told me that they thought that maybe, uh, she had cheated on him and he found out about it. And that's why he got rough. But I didn't really get that out of it. I just thought that he, um, I thought once he started getting a little bit of power like that, that he was, uh, he started becoming very abusive, you know. And I think maybe, maybe they did imply more in the book that there was some, kind of a history of abuse, you know, that maybe get hit her a few times or something like that.

I think. Tell us how you feel, Philip. Yeah. Well, that was it, man. I think that, yeah, he was absolutely a douchebag. And I think they came across with that well on a film. And it was a little bit slow for me. I kind of liked the last third of it where they sort of wrapped everything.

up because they took so long to get through this first section of the story where I'm thinking the whole time like what if you get on your feet you know because you can get on your feet if your handcuffed to the edges like that and I still think that that would even though it's reinforced there's air quotes going on here that's what Gerald told her in her little vivid dream state I still think that you can kick that and break something and get out

there's always a way you know sure she looks like you pretty stout anybody tells you you can't always have what you want is fucking wrong you can have you what you want if you work hard enough for it

this bitch laid there in the bed handcuffed and felt sorry for herself for the entire first half of the movie okay so I think she could have done something differently instead of playing the victim

Okay Fair enough But aside from that I do think it was a cool concept I like that they The Moonlight Man came in I thought that that was a cool Um

addition to the story Uh It was okay Yeah You know It wasn't one of Stephen King's best movies but, I mean, Stephen Cates had some movies, so. Very, very minor story, not his typical epic story, that's for sure.

Yeah, and it was short. They kept it short and to the point. I think it was only like an hour and a half long, which I think is perfect. That's why I liked the last third of the movie, because they could have stretched that out into a whole other hour if they wanted to, and they did. Right. Yeah, I enjoyed it for the most part. I thought I liked everybody in it.

I kind of timed out when the moonlight bye-bye man showed up that whole I didn't like the ending at all. The whole her writing a letter. She was writing a letter to herself. Yeah, the writing. It was kind of goofy.

Yeah. Which I heard a lot of people are upset with that because it's not what happens in the book. Okay. Yeah, I'll have to reread it. Like I said, it's a pretty short book. so it shouldn't be that difficult

to reread, you know? But I thought I thought she was really good in it with her, you know, her mind playing tricks on her. And then one scene with the, where she cut her wrist to get her hand out.

That was, that was a scene right there. That was brutal and ridiculous. If you're only cutting your wrist so that you can get the blood to flow and because it's slick, like oil until it clots, which, you know, quote, um, why would you fucking, like, cut a cross in your hand and then peel your fucking

skin off? That was insane. Well, she, she did get the idea from talking to herself, so. Well, I guess so. I mean, she may as well of fucking rip the hand off her skin like some old school white zombie remove, you know what I mean? but I go ahead

I was just saying I had the same thought with that was well I said her if she could just cut her hand and got the blood you know she already had blood on her hand and she's like well I'm going to be in my wrist totally mutilate herself right

like I think she was going to cut a finger off or something yeah I didn't understand what she was doing with the glass but um there uh I got I read something here for any Mike Flanagan fans. He put in some Easter eggs for his movies. Oh, yeah?

If you guys, you guys ever see Oculus? Sure. Yeah. The mirror frame is actually the headboard of the bed. Okay. And then the book that she, you know, she's trying to get the glass of water and there's a book on the shelf. That is the main character in Hush, the book, the novel that she wrote. Okay.

So you threw a little Easter eggs in there. Interesting. And then, of course, you had all the Stephen King Easter eggs that we talked about in trivia. Yeah. Cool. So I thought that was, yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. How creepy was the dad? You know what?

You know what I thought? When we reviewed, what is it, Ouija Origin of Evil, and he played the priest, and we all felt he was kind of... We all felt like, yeah, he's super creepy. Yeah, I thought it was super interesting that he'll be in the night. another movie that we reviewed where he actually was creepy like that. Oh, yeah. Because that was a very uncomfortable scene with his daughter sitting on his lap. Yeah.

Wow. He's looking at the eclipse. Made you want to slid his story. Slimy as can be. Yeah. See, I thought that storyline came out of Dolores Claiborne from the Stephen King novel because he sexually abused her when she was. was a little girl, or Dolores

Claiborne's daughter or whatever, so I don't know, man, it's, uh, I get those two mixed up a little bit because, like I said, they were both shorter, and I think they came out at around the same time. He came up the exact same time. Well, you know how Stephen King is, anyway, he fucking, you know.

He released both of those books together. Oh, yeah? Yeah, they came out at the exact same time. Okay, so it makes perfect sense then that they would have kind of the same characters and storyline in them, right? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.

The thing with me with watching this movie was, I mean, both of those books, the eclipse is what they both revolve around. Ah, okay. So that's what each one of them, you know, it's all about what happened during the eclipse. So that's, and that is my other thing with the movie, and I agree with everything you guys have said. I like most of the movie. I thought For the most part It followed the book pretty well

It's been a while since I've read the book too Back when it came out It's when I first read it So it's been How long that's been 20 years maybe But It's

I thought the characters are real cast I'm a big fan I like Bruce Greenwood a lot I've liked him pretty much And everything he's ever done And the gal She's done a lot of stuff And she's always pretty good

And she doesn't hurt Turkey alive either. But I agree, too, like the whole bye-bye man, the guy, I wasn't feeling that at all. But my biggest thing with the movie was I felt like they didn't they kind of, the whole eclipse and the events of the eclipse were more of a,

I mean, they were part of the core of the movie, but they were just kind of an afterthought. They weren't like, you know, to me, there should have been a little bit more in depth on what went on eclipse and stuff like that because it was a little more to it I think than just what we saw on the movie if I remember right but I don't remember all of it for sure but I just know that both of those books and I heard that I don't know for sure but aren't we getting a Dolores Claybourne movie too well there's already been one with Kathy Bates in it yeah I think they're

redoing it yeah I think they're redoing it I thought I read something somewhere that they were going to it maybe it's a Netflix release also but I don't know of sure but there's been Stephen King craziness lately though. No shit. Yeah, he's, he got most of his property back. Right.

Which I think is awesome. I'm really happy for him. He definitely needs the money. Yeah, he does, for sure, for sure. He's hurting. I really, what I'd really like for him to do is teach Georgia or Martin how to get a book at me. Oh.

Right. Write your goddamn book. Oh, man. Are you guys, you guys ready for scores? Yeah. All right. I think I started this time, right? Yeah. Okay. I'll give it a solid six, man. I really enjoyed it.

It was a good, it's a good Netflix watch. Good Netflix watch. We'll leave it at that. I want to go back and reread the book now. Who's next? I'll go next. I'm going to give it a seven. I also think it's a good Netflix watch. I'm starting to be a big fan of Mike Flanagan. I'm a fan of Carlo Gugino, Bruce Green.

Greenwood. Ending kind of fell apart a little bit, but... Yeah, that was the problem with it. I've never read the story, but it makes me want to read the story, and so I'm going to give it a seven. Cool. I'm going to meet you in the middle. I'm going to give it a six and a half.

I think that it was interesting, but it doesn't inspire me to look into the story anymore. than I already have. Okay, fair enough. And I'm right there with Phil. I'm going to give it a six and a half. I liked it. I mean, I definitely thought it was a lot more good than dad.

I don't know exactly how well I'll follow the book because I'm like you, Lance, it's been a while since I've read it, so I don't remember all the little nuances of the book. But overall, I felt like they did a pretty good job with it. Just, you know, the ending was a little weird, so I didn't really good for that. And then just the fact that they're, didn't put, but I felt like they could have just spent maybe another five or ten minutes

on the eclipse and what went on there. You know, it would have had a whole lot of depth to it, but just a little bit more involved and what it was, I think would have been a little better for it. So six and a half is good. Okay. Nice. All right, cool. So if you've got Netflix, we all say that you see this movie.

Why not? Move on to another Netflix movie. This is Colt of Chucky and director and writer Don Mancini, who's also known for the original Child's Play and many of the other Chuckie movies and also some episodes of the new season of Channel Zero, the No End House. I think he's writing most of those. Nika is played by Fiona Dorif, of course daughter of Brad Dorff, who voices Chucky. And this will be the first time in the series that Tiffany and Andy ever actually meet and share scenes together. Although they both occur or they, I'm sorry, although they both

appear in curse of Chuckie, they don't share any scenes together. So, uh, there you have it. The whole Chuckie family. So who wants, who wants to talk about this one first?

Oh, well, what the fuck was going on in this movie? What do you mean? What the fuck was going on in this movie? So, so, so,

so now we're, now we're getting voodoo spells off the internet. Sure. Why not, man? voodoo for death. Dude, it was Nika. Uh,

Nika was the only survivor in, uh, in, in Curse of Chucky, and she's the one, this is one of those, this is a smart, a horror movie.

You've actually got some fallout from it. I can't keep a straight face. Okay, well, which Chucky doll was the original one? Hold on now, you actually had some fallout from the last movie, man. So, you know,

a lot of these horror movies, it's like the way they end, it's like, oh, okay, cool, I just killed all the bad guys. Oh, good, happy ending. You fucking kidding me? When the police show up, you really think that's going to be a happy ending. And so this one kind of picks up where that one leaves off with her character.

But I'm sorry, Brian. I don't mean to interrupt, man. I'm just defending my boy Chuckie here. The original is the one who still had his head on a fucking spike and nails. So when did he do this spell then? Come on, dude. Because he's not only on a spike. he he gets locked away in a safe right yeah how did he get on the internet that was i mean overall i

enjoyed it it's it's fun at times but it's just like what the what are we doing where is this story going and i don't i'm this one and the previous one i don't like how he looks it's too clean it's too i don't know i like the original puppet he's a new he's a new he's a new You're talking, man. The new, the new model of, and you heard of say only, like, what, 2% of good guys are actually named Chuckie, and it just so happens that, like, all the ones that show up in this one are named Chuckie. Yeah. What the fuck? But I like all the callbacks, though.

I love the callbacks. I love the callbacks. Yeah. Oh, the, dude. Go ahead. I love the callbacks. I'm going to come right out and say it. This is a movie was kind of a fucking piece of shit.

But it was a fun piece of shit, man. I love Chuckie, man. I love all the Child's Play movies from start to finish. I was really hoping we were going to go back and do a complete retrospective, and I hope maybe one day we do. Because they're just fucking dumb, fun. There's no way a little fucking foot and a half tall doll could fucking terrorize you like this, you know?

Give me a break. But it's just fun to watch. Man, I'll tell you what, I loved all the callbacks. I love the fact that Tiffany popped up in it. love the fact that Andy popped up in it. Fiona Doref looks like she's going to kind of pick up where Daddy left off on, you know, kind of being the new evil character in the franchise.

And I just had a lot of fun with it. It was just stupid, dumb, shitty fun. Now, you got, did you guys watch this on Netflix? Yes. Yeah. Okay, so did you get the after credit scene? Oh, I didn't watch it long enough for it, man. Okay.

I thought it was pretty cool. It was, um, how I can't even think of her. name. She was his Andy's foster sister. No, Andy's foster sister from

number two. I know you're talking about in the second one. Yeah. She shows up at the end to the house

where Chuckie's heads on a spike. Right. And he's just kind of looking at her like, what the fuck

are you doing here? And she's like, well, Andy sent me to finish the job or something like that. Oh, that's awesome. And it's the same actress from the second one.

That is awesome, dude. What the fuck else have they done. Right. There's a reason the same guy still in the Andy Barclay. All right, well, look at it this way, guys. If you, if you liked the movie or you didn't like the movie, if you're going to Texas Frightmare, there's a really good chance you're going to be able to let most of the people in this movie know how you felt about it.

Because I think 90% of the people involved are going to be there, yeah. That's going to be awesome. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it looks like the whole cast. I think almost the whole cast. whole cast is going to be there. Oh, I can't even think of her name. She was Andy's mother in the first one. Oh, she's going to be there. Oh, yeah. Oh, is she really?

Yeah, they just announced it. Oh, the wife from, the mother from Seventh Heaven. Yes, yes. Ah, yes, I can't think of the actress's name, but, uh, well, the dude that was the original father was there last year, the guy from Fright Night. Uh, you know who I'm talking about. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I cannot pull it, no one's name.

But, yeah, they just announced she'll be there, too, with Brad Duroff and Fiona Duroff. Very nice. Yeah, man, if we could get, if we could get Brad Doroff to do a sounder for us in Chuckie's voice, man, I would die and go to heaven. Yeah. What's funny about Brad Doroff, I'm actually a bigger fan of his from Deadwood. Ah, okay. I loved him in Deadwood, so. He's been in a lot, man.

Yeah. Okay, here's what we're going to do. We're going to take a backpack. We're going to load it up with all kinds of beer and liquor. And Patrick, you and Philip, and Brian, you too, you guys are in charge of getting all the agents drunk while I sneak in with the microphone. Fair enough?

Sounds like a player. If we're going to get an interview from anybody, you've got to be this guy. You are the biggest child's play fan I've ever seen in my life. For sure, man. Let's get to work on that now, Brian. What do you say? I'm going to be on it.

All right. You guys ready for scores? Yeah. I mean, there's not a lot to spoil. No, there's not. I will say for me, too, because I didn't watch the one before this, so I was a little awesome where this movie was going or where it even started. I was like, I don't even know who this Nika chick is.

Right. Yeah, but they stood up pretty nice. But it was fun for what it was. I agree with Lance's on that, too. A fun shitty movie. There you go, man. Yeah, that says it all right there. I think I went first.

I'm right in the middle. I'll give it a five. I like curse better than this one, and I kind of expected a little more. It just threw me with this wacky internet voodoo spell, and then you got like three or four different Chuckies showing up. Okay. And I don't, I don't understand how this took place if the original one, if Andy has the original one.

So it just, it kind of, it kind of lost me there for a second. But, I mean, if they make, you know, well, they will make another one, not if they will. I'll definitely watch that one. So, but this one, this one just kind of missed a mark. But it's a fun, like Patrick said, it's a fun, stupid, shitty movie, you know, so we give it a five. Okay. five huh that sucks um who went next i think we're

i don't know i don't think we're that cash struck on this one i'm gonna give it i'm gonna give it a strong seven just just for the just for the fun fact wow i mean fuck dude anytime you get to see three fucking chucky's in one room arguing with each other about who gets to do what and who gets to go kill somebody and shit like that and then anytime you see fucking fiona dorif turn into chucky too i mean come on guys It's a fun movie. God damn it.

It's a fucking seven, all right. I did like... Look, I've got a piece of my face gone. Oh, my hands are all burned. Well, look, they cut my hair. Okay. You definitely deserve it. You definitely deserve it.

You get to tell, buddy. You're right. I did like Jennifer Tilly showing up as Jennifer Tilly. I always like that. She's like, I get mistaken for her a lot. That's pretty good. Yeah, good, good dumb fun is a good description on this one. I'm going to give it, I'm going to give it a six.

All right. I just, I can't give it any more than that. But it definitely was fun to watch. I enjoyed it, you know? Like it was, I wasn't particularly looking forward to this one, but I watched it. And it was, it was really fun. And that's the point of it, man. It was entertaining.

It did. Yeah, I think for me, going into this movie, I was expecting it to be like a one. Maybe a one. But I'm going to give it a 4.5 because I at least had fun with it. You know, like I said, it's still a turd. At least it's not a smelly of a turd is what I expected. but it knows it deterred so it can paint itself

yeah all right fair enough fair enough all right guys so that's two yeses and two probably knows but it is on Netflix so if you're paying for Netflix anyway what the fuck check it out yeah if you're really bored you just want something

for fun to watch hey pop it in yeah if you've got a bunch of people over and there's like a drunk night party or something I'm trying to sit on. It's going to be great.

Oh, yeah. Well, how about when Chuckie's head said, hey, can I have a hit of that? Or, yeah, if you've been smoking some stuff, this is definitely a question of it. All right. Well, speaking of smoking some stuff, I didn't smoke. I didn't smoke the stuff and pay $10.99 to rent it. So you guys are going to be on your own on this one. But let's get into Leatherface.

director Alexandre Busceo and Julian Mari They are also known for something called Inside Any idea who either of these people are? I've seen Inside. Okay And another reason that I chose not to spend the $10.99 to rent writer Seth Sherwood Also known for London has fallen. Fuck you, that was a good movie.

Okay, cool, great. All right, that's your seven, right? Okay, the Sawyer House, seen in the 1974 original film, was rebuilt to the exact specifications for the filming of this movie. That's pretty impressive. Oh, and as I found out, as I was looking through iTunes, this isn't the first installment to use the title Leatherface. There is also Leatherface, colon, Texas Chainsaw Masker 3 from 1990. So, all right, guys, I'm out of it. of this one.

Yeah, I'll go first. Out of the three, I think I enjoyed this a little bit more. At times, it was pretty brutal. It was, oh, man, I don't know.

I try to give this movie a little bit of praise, but this movie sucked, too. You didn't like it? No, I kind of, it, I didn't buy into this whole, like, they, they try to give you, like all these different people that,

because the premise is he, he goes to a mental asylum and it cuts to a few years later and then, go ahead. Oh, no, as a kid, he goes to a mental asylum. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Yeah, and then it cuts to him, I believe he's like, I don't know, 18, 19, 20, something like that. So this is basically a remake of Rob Zombie's Halloween. You know what? Take that, yeah, take that premise, but then

there's a breakout. And then you get introduced to this group. Basically, he's one of these people in the group. And it's obvious which one he is. They try to throw in these other characters, super crazy, psychotic one, the one that's kind of

like heavy set with the long hair, kind of like, you know, how you would picture the adult version. That's the one that they make you think is leather face through the whole. Yeah. Spoiler fucking alert. I'm going to tell you right now. Yeah, that's the one that make you

think is leather face to the whole movie. Yeah, and I just thought it was stupid because it just, I don't know. To me, it was clear who, I believe his name was, he tried to say his name was Jackson or something, but his real name was it was

something, it wasn't Jackson, but it just didn't work for me. I knew that was him the whole time. um the one of the chicks in the in the group uh i liked her character she was super fucking crazy and there's a scene where she's having sex and they're having sex on top of a dead corpse and that was really disgusting yeah um wasn't she like all burned up or something i may have check this out after all yeah when when there was some new new shots of her and she had like burn marks on her like she was in some sort of fire or something yeah that's what i thought to you

was like am i seeing that right This sounds pretty interesting, actually. You guys are kind of selling me on it. You know, I liked it better than I think I like Coltouchie. I mean, there are some bright spots. Lily Taylor, I like when she shows up in these movies. Right. She was in the first conjuring.

Mm-hmm. She was pretty good as Ma Sawyer, which they alluded to. She might also be his aunt. Wasn't she the religious chick in the Miss movie, too? Uh, she gay-hardened. Yeah. Oh, okay. It's kind of reminded me of her, I guess.

Uh, the one character I probably really honestly didn't like was Stephen, uh, Stephen Dorff. Hmm. He could be hit or miss. Go ahead. I thought he's a kid in this one. Yeah? Yeah. He's no, he's no iron fist, though, right?

No, I mean. Oh, he was. in this movie. Yeah, he was the deputy or whatever. Oh, okay. Yeah, I kind of like Steven Dorf

in this movie. I didn't realize it was him until towards the end. I thought it was just this, you know, a little angry man. He was pretty angry through the whole movie. I mean, he kept up this crusade. what was it like he had this thing against bad kids or something?

Yeah, it was like weird. But it was a fun movie to watch, I think. I think that they stretch some stuff. And the twist that they had, I think, was completely unnecessary. And this was my cool of the week last week. So, you know, it's stuff that I've already said before. There's a lot of things they could have done to make it a lot better. And I think that that, like I said, that twist was totally unnecessary.

And I think that they should have gone with the heavyset dude for Leatherface. I think I would have liked that better. Like when they, I didn't see the twist coming. But when it happened, I was like, man, come on. You're just doing that to put a twist in for the movie. like there's no reason or rhyme for that happening you know what i mean and another thing i didn't like i felt the them they squeezed in him getting the mask at the end and it was just like because when he when he has this when he basically realizes who he is or something or whatever

the fuck happened he has this stupid like leather strap mask on and i felt like they squeezed in the the actual leather face mask in at the end. It was just kind of like, oh, we got to throw that in there real quick. Yeah, it's just going to keep your face together.

Yeah. Yeah, that was kind of pretty brutal how his face got to her up. Yeah, that was actually pretty good. Yeah.

But still, I mean, for a Netflix movie, I think it's definitely worth watching, you know, like you said, I liked it better than,

uh, than the checking movie. Yeah, I enjoyed it for what it was. I mean, it wasn't, I mean, I don't think it's going to win any Oscars or nothing. Yeah, but it's not a Netflix movie, dude, or I would have watched it. Yeah, it's not, it's not a Netflix movie. It's either, you know, you either got to get your pirate boat out or. Yeah.

Well, I know it'll show up on Netflix before too long, but I'm sure it's going to be wherever it's at for however long a month or two before. gets moved over to something else. But, I mean, it was okay. I didn't think it was terrible. I just, it just wasn't, you know, it wasn't as good as some of the other ones I liked, but it was okay.

It was worth watching, I guess, if you're a fan. Yeah. I'm liking the IMDB pictures of this blonde that's in it. Yeah, that was the crazy chick. Yeah. Nicole Andrews. She's pretty fucking crazy in this movie. Oh, yeah?

What kind of girl, man? Probably a little. further than that. Yeah? I'm sold. I think I'm going to go shell out my 11 bucks and rent this, guys. Well, if you want...

Not having sex on top of a dead body, but like... Or you can wait until it comes down on price. True. It will be... It will be on demand everywhere, October 20th. Okay, cool. Yeah, just for like five bucks or something.

All right, cool. That's not too long to wait. Yeah. I guess we can go with scores. I'm going to go ahead and give it a six and a half. It had its bright moments. There was like some death scenes that were pretty cool. It was pretty gory and bloody.

Like I said, I liked the blonde chick was pretty cool in it. I just, I didn't appreciate this, like, which one of these people is going to be leather face when it was, to me, To me, it was clear who it was. Okay. Yeah, I think that that was, I think you're right. I think they missed the mark on that, and I think that they should not have done

the which one of these people is going to be a leather face thing. I think that they should have done more of a leather face story. This is why you understand this person, because that was the point of the fucking name. Yeah, and Philip, Philip, you're right. The bigger guy with the long hair should have been him. I just don't buy this guy as leatherface at all. He definitely had the mentality.

They made him, you know, in that whole thing, they made him seem like the sanest one out of the group. Yeah. You know, like he was the normal one. Yeah, Lance, you know who he looked like? Who's that? He looked like a younger Taylor Kitch. Oh, no.

Okay. That was Leatherface? Yeah. Oh, boy. Well. shit. I still want to check it out. I mean, you guys have got me intrigued for sure. Yeah, it's worth checking out.

Yeah. I probably wouldn't pay more than, you know, three or four dollars to watch it. Right. If you get that opportunity on On Demand, otherwise, just, uh, way forward to pop up on that. So I'm sure it'll be there

before you. Fair enough. It's a good, like, if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's, if it's on some sort of streaming service that you already have, it's definitely worth much. I probably wouldn't pay a bunch of extra money. Better than Kuso, Brian? Cuso.

It's still in my top three, definitely. But not as good as Witchboard. Right. Oh, which board is hella good. So what were we like, Brian? You said six and a half, right? Yeah, six and a half. Did I get anything?

I'm going to say six and a half also. Okay, cool. Because I can't be good conscience, give it a seven, but I still like this one better than the Jackie one. Although they're very close. Like six points in a half. I'm going to give it a five and a half. Okay.

I mean, I liked it. More good than bad. And, you know, there was a couple of things in it that, I mean, like the whole breakout thing and how that happened. I was just like, how the fuck does that happen? Like, you know,

and like the mom going through the Methouse and just having her way like she lives there. And I was like, okay, that's kind of weird, you know. So there were some things that I thought were off a little bit with it. But overall, I mean, it was, you know, it was entertaining. So, yeah, five and a half. Yeah, these movies got me worried about Jigsaw. Because all these horror,

all these horror icons are coming back. and it just seems like... Less than stellar? Yeah. Like they kind of miss the mark just a little bit. They're not that far off. Jigsaw might not be as bad though, because it's not like they had to resurrect him from 30 years ago

and try to, you know... So it's a little fresher in people's minds. I think that's part of the problem with some of these is like, you know, like they try to re-resorrect them, but the creative people that start them in the first place aren't around or whatever, for whatever reason. So they're missing the mark because they're not quite getting the ideas behind what was really going on in the first ones. I don't know.

Don Mancini did Coltichucky, man. So you can't say that on that one. Well, that's true. I mean, I'm not saying all of them, but I'm just saying with some of them, that's, I think it's what's happened. But, I mean, you know. Time period, you know. It is for sure.

And different, I mean, like, I just watched Friday of 13th part two today. and I was just going back and like, oh, my God. It's been a while since I'd seen it, I mean, years since I hadn't seen it. And I realized that this is the camping movie. This is the one they all make fun of, you know, where you're sitting around the campfire telling a scary story. And it's like, this is the movie.

This is what started the whole making fun of the whole creepy camp movies, you know. So it was just kind of. That's where the term came from. Right, you know, and it's just like, you know, but back then, it was in it. It works for that movie, but if you were to try to recreate it today, it's not going to come off the same, you know? No, not at all. Yeah, you have like Jason selling weed or something, right?

Yeah. Snoop dogs. Cool. All right, guys. Well, listen, thank you all for tuning into this bonus episode of The Horror Returns. We hope you enjoyed it. Be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Podbean. Just search for the Horror Returns.

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