The Horror Returns - THR Presents: Stream Fiends - Ep. #12: Godzilla Vs. Kong (2021)

Episode Date: April 7, 2021

This episode Brian and Nez are joined by Lance and Mike to help them take on the King of the Monsters and the King of the Hollow Earth in 2021's GODZILLA VS KONG.   Join The Action Returns Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/841619946357776   Follow The Action Returns on IG and Twitter: Instagram: @theactionreturns Twitter: @action_returns 

The best explanation for this comes from Dr. Arnold Johnson of America. It appears that King Kong sending the presence of a hated enemy is determined to destroy Godzilla. Thus, a battle of the giants, which may or may not have taken place millions of years ago, may be recreated soon on the Nassu plane. All right, everybody, welcome back to another episode of THR Presents Stream Fiends. I'm your host, Brian. With me, as always, is my brother Nez. Nez, second show in a row, we got guests. Want to tell everybody who our guest is?

Yeah, everyone, thank you so much for coming back and giving our little show, listen. We had Mike with us, the last on action returns. Is that what we did? One of them. Justice League, if you guys listen to that, thank you so much. But we got the leader of the pack, the one and only, all the way from the Lone Star State. he got a brother lance with us man Mike Lance what's up guys

hey hey glad glad to be here man thanks for the invite yep your network man we're just we work for you shit it's it's it's Bride's network

make no mistake this this motherfucker is the guy that does all the heavy lifting and not really but it's a it's a team effort we are all here together But we are here to talk about Godzilla versus Kong. This is our only chance. We have to take it.

We need Kong. The world needs him. To stop what's coming. And this child. She's the only one he'll communicate with it. I knew that they had a bond. She had nowhere to go, so I made a promise to protect her. in some way

con did the same it's Godzilla he's hurting people and we don't know why provoking him that we're not seeing here I'm at the same opinion it's a war one's standing

just to no one just came out on the what was it the 27th I thought it was it 31st 31st I don't know what I'm talking about 31st on HBO Max which is currently streaming

should we get into a synopsis or is it just pretty much straightforward this is godzilla versus com i would i mean you might want to get like a quick sentence but i could sum it up if you want i mean what's the quick i'm sure i mdb is the quickest because the one on google looks like a paragraph and me they fight the end all right i mdb says the epic next chapter in the cinematic monster verse pits two of the greatest icons in motion picture history against one another. The fearsome Godzilla and the mighty Kong with humanity caught in the balance. Wow. Who can miss that?

This is starring. Let me pull up this gigantic cast list. Alexander Scarsguard, which to me, my opinion, he has one of the most punch. faces. I just every time I see this guy on screen. Millie Bobby Brown Rebecca Hall, Brian Tyree Henry,

Shun O'Gurie, Eliza Gonzalez, Julian Tennessee. Possible Hall Pass. Lance Reddick was in here? Was he? I don't remember. I don't remember seeing him. I think I would have remembered him. But he's

worked with the director before, so that makes sense. Kyle Chandler, Damien Birchir, Kaylee Hotel, Hotelie. I am, okay, there's a bunch of people I don't know here. Of course, this is directed by Adam Wingard. Lance, first time you're guest in on one of these side shows, so why don't you start us off? Oh, man. We are a spoiler-based podcast, so just let it fly.

All right, well, that's good to know because I did not see this streaming. I reactivated my AMC membership, and I actually went to, well, first I went to see nobody, which I thought was going to be more in the John Wick universe, but didn't tie in quite as much as I would have liked. But it was still a good movie, fun to go to the theater. and then I saw this one and I saw it in 3D guys. I'm an old dude and I remember when 3D was big back in the days. So I'm a 3D sucker. Hello, red and blue lenses.

They're like sunglasses now that you put on top of your glasses. But I did check it out today in 3D. So it's, I mean, it's no big mystery what I thought about Kong Skull Island. If you guys will remember, I said that it was silly. It was kind of ridiculous, and it would have made an outstanding 10-minute 3D ride at Universal Studios or something like that. And then you guys know that I wasn't a huge fan of the last Godzilla either. I preferred the one where Brian Cranston checked out really early. I thought that was a better Godzilla than the most recent.

one. Oh, and they kept cutting away from Godzilla? Exactly. I like that better than the new one because all you had was these stupid fucking human interest stories. I did not care about any of the characters in either of these two movies. That was a big

problem for me, and I thought that the monster action was shitty. All that being said, guys, I was kind of blown away with this. I kind I kind of had a fucking blast watching this movie. I thought

that the special effects were really, really good. I thought there were plenty of good battle scenes. I thought you got one really good Godzilla versus Kong battle about halfway through the movie at sea that I really, really loved, and I kind of enjoyed

the final battle as well. The thing that I did like about this one is I actually liked most of the major characters. And Brian, you say Scarsgaard as punchable, but I'm kind of starting to like this guy, man. He was, I think he won me over in the Stephen King

miniseries The Stand. Don't run it for me. He was actually the big baddie in that, and I thought he did a good job. And I thought he was really good as the, as the complete and total douchebag in the HBO series that my wife and I watched together, which I can't remember,

remember the name of it. But, uh... True Blood? Uh, you know what? I've never seen True Blood. I actually started reading the first book, and I, I bailed about halfway through, because it was way too much romance and, and not enough vampire action for me. That's what the show was.

Did you ever see, um, did you ever see, um, Howard the Duck, that movie? I got it right here. It's the same thing. It's the same, it's the same thing. Big Howard the Duck fan, man. No, fucking Alexander Scarsguard, Eric Northman, he was fucking badass in that show. He was my favorite character in True Blood. And then it just went downhill from there.

You know what happened to him in this one? I might check it out again. But the dude that I'm not too familiar with the actor, but the guy that was running the podcast. Brian Tyree Henry? he was fucking awesome dude I made me dude I got a lot of laughs out of this movie a lot more than I was expecting

I enjoyed the characters Millie Bobby Brown for some reason in the Godzilla movie I didn't care for her but in this one I think I think she's kind of growing up and she's kind of like coming into her own a little bit Rebecca Hall I like her and everything she does

and I really enjoyed the young deaf actress I thought she was She was really good in the part. Kyle Chandler was in it not enough that I wasn't pissed off since, to me, I consider him punchable. And Damien Bashir just hammed it up. Because we all know he's been in some really, really shitty movies lately. And this one, he kind of almost knew that he was going over the top.

This movie, I actually enjoyed the characters, and I definitely enjoyed the fight scene. And so I was pleasantly surprised, guys. Mike? Okay. So I watched this movie about six times already, but there's only two parts in it I watch, and that's the two fight scenes. Needless to say, like, I could do it without the human story.

I mean, to me, it was like, okay, I'll just put me like this. So watching it with the wife. and she says you know when they're having the big Hong Kong showdown the first thing out of her mouth is why are they destroying the city I was like oh god

they're killing all those people I was like who gives us shit about if you see something coming your way that's a behemoth you move run because what I didn't understand is like the first time when they do the first like run at each other

start brawling, there were still people sitting in the restaurant and they just got up and ran. Wouldn't they have known like when something surfaces that's gigantic, like to leave already? Okay, so that's one point. All right. So let me just sum of that. Okay. Watching it was a fun movie. It's a good popcorn movie.

I mean, it wasn't trying to be Citizen Kane. It wasn't trying to be, you know, anything but what it was. You know, because I think like going in producers. look for the selling point I mean the filmmakers look for the selling point and it's like I'm sure that they talk to each other and they're like you know what man let's just kind of pepper people

here and there but mainly let's just show these guys fight I mean it would have like like I think a lot of people would have just enjoyed a 90 minute movie of them just fighting you know yeah that's what I was hoping for on on the two movies prior to this

yeah I mean the whole to me like the whole concept about the hollow earth thing and the whole how he fell down the tunnel and all that it was like dude I mean that part was just kind of like okay it's the little hovercraft that they have

I was like okay but I could like honestly there was really no actors to root for you know it didn't give anybody to feel bad about or to care like they could be there whatever but okay my thing about it and I'm just going to get

to the meat of it was the fighting I mean, the just, okay, first of all, like, I'm just going to say, I just posted this on Facebook tonight. I love when Godzilla went full stegosaurus on all fours and was just charging this shit out of common. Hell yeah, man. That's what we missed from the prior Godzilla movie, man. Yeah, and we got a little bit of the homage with the little axe handle down his throat when he was about to throw an atomic blast. I thought that was cool But like the

The fight scene in the ocean And him and Kar were going at it That was badass Dude my favorite part of the movie Absolute favorite part of the movie That was cool Because I liked the way that Godzilla Didn't just utilize his breath

He used his tail He used his punches His claws He was going all out But I think Nez is going to agree with me on this And we both I agree with him on this

is it was too soon for Mechagodzilla. Yep. Like, they should have saved that to the next movie or even a couple more. Because what I thought, when I saw the previous, what I thought was it was going to be Mecha Godzilla with Godzilla skin. Like he had a, he had the just, like, underneath he was Mecha Godzilla. Because in the preview, they're like, I don't know why Godzilla is acting so mad. Like, why is he attacking people? I thought maybe that that was some kind of, you know, like, he was mad.

of Godzilla and then the real Godzilla was going to surface after and, you know, him and Kong would team up. I knew the team up thing was coming. That was telegraphed, right? It was dumb. Yeah. Just a real quick quick... I got past it. Just a real quick side note, though, that little girl, the actor, she's from, she's the spokesperson

for the Texas Institute for the death. Oh, she was great, man. She was awesome. need for her. No, I totally disagree, man. No need for her. I loved her, man. And I hate, sorry Brian, but I love Scarsgard in this, too, man.

I really did. Was he supposed to be a scientist? I'm telling you, I actually cared about these people. Was Scarsgard a scientist? Yeah, he was a relative of, I thought they were going to tie him in to somebody from Kong Skull Island because he said like his brother or something worked for Monarch

and he got crushed in the while on route to the hollow earth, the little paradise thing down there. They showed a picture and I was like, who the fuck is this guy? I thought it was like maybe Loki's Loki's brother or something.

Right. I mean overall I enjoyed it. It was what it was. You know, I wasn't like I said, I wasn't looking for an Oscar contender. I just wanted a good fun film with some memorable fight scenes and I got what I wanted. So, yeah. Nice. All right.

Here we go. If you want a good King Kong versus Godzilla movie, watch the 1962 one. All the fighting was awesome. I thought my favorite fight, like you guys, when they were out at sea, that was I just watched that before we started doing this and that that whole part was awesome I loved it um the body count in this film is high somewhere in the thousands because I don't know how many people are on aircraft carriers or or battleships and the jets they all died and then once they got to the city they destroyed everything that was in in their way and yeah like why why didn't they

okay in this world monsters exist so you gotta have some kind of alarm hey there's something coming and then everyone can run for cover nope everyone just so all you guys all the ones that got killed

that's your own fault you guys should have ran but um I didn't care for anybody in this I just thought it was pointless with their story I kind of like the hollow earth thing. I thought that was neat.

But 11, there was no need for her. There was no need for the prison wallet boy from Dead Pool 2. Rebecca Hall, I don't care what she's in. That was fine to see her in this. Eric from True Blood, awesome to see him. I was all about that. I just, I don't know. I mean, well, why was 11 and Paperboy? Paperboy was awesome. I liked him. You can't. You can't fade him. Paperboy, paper boy. All about that paper boy. If you ain't making money, then you ain't a moneymaker, boy.

But this, oh, man, Adam Wingard, man, you're losing it, man. You started out strong. They were the thread from the prior Godzilla movie, man. Adam Wingard started out strong with his movie making. Now he's just going downhill. He's getting the paycheck, brother. I guess, man. I can't remember for that.

We can always wait for the wind guard cut. Oh, no. Four hours? I don't think so. Give me four hours of them fighting, and I'll be cool with it. I mean, again, all the fighting every time they were on the screen was awesome. Okay. I thought that was cool.

I mean, every time they were on the screen, even when it was just one or the other. I mean, the beginning of the film, when we see Kong on Skull Island, and they have them in a big old virtual dome. I want to see that. This is, what, 40 years later after Skull Island. So I want to see how they captured them, why they built that big dome there, where were all the natives?

How come they didn't fight all the invaders? They don't wipe out. Yeah, the white guys wiped him out. there was a storm that's they said there was a storm she was the only survivor oh that's right okay all right man well shit i still want to see that movie give us that movie go i want to see how they they they do yes they do because i want to see i want to see how they did it um godzilla start to start the hashtag no no um godzilla i I don't like the little head.

It just, it's bugged me. It bugged me every day. It bugged me in the first two films. I'm like, why they got this little bitty head? It's not that he has a little head. He's just fat. That was fine, man. I mean, that's fat guys with big heads, man.

Give him a bigger head. Why was it so beady and small, man? I didn't like it. He looks slimmed down from the, from the 2014 Godzilla. Oh, man. He was kind of. just kind of waddling everywhere. The Ferris Bueller Godzilla, man.

He had a skinny body and a big old head. He had a big head in that one. I love that movie. I don't care what anyone says. That was a female laying eggs, right? Yeah. No little Godzuki's running around in MSG. But I just didn't like all the human parts in this,

as well as in King of Monsters and the first Godzilla. I didn't in either of those, but in this one, I actually did, man. I honestly think the dude that ran the podcast won me over. Just because, I mean, this dude, every time he showed up, something he said made me laugh. And I loved it. And they were making fun of us. They were making fun of podcasters. Like, we're all like part of Q and on or something.

I liked what him, because it was just all just the stuff that he was finding out working for whatever labs they were, wherever he was working. I thought he was cool. But did he need two little kids to help him? No. And that's... Come on. It's an adventure, man.

No. No. With all the technology had, and you're going to let two little kids sneak into this big old fortress? There should be cameras and security everywhere. No, I don't buy any of that bullshit. They showed him.

No. And there was no need for them. I mean, just give me all the scientists, explain what they were doing. The hollow earth was cool, but one of the problems I had is when Godzilla blew that hole all the way to the center of the earth. How come all those little monsters and all them didn't crawl up and come up into our world? I was waiting for that. Maybe that's the next movie.

The pressure. I was waiting for all that. There you go, Mike. You hit it. They couldn't because of the pressure. Boom. There you go. There was a big old hole.

All the pressure should have weren't right out of that. No, it's so, it was so. down it's a it's a it's in a pocket come on man you pay attention in science no man that's all fake science man this is no i don't buy that i'm sorry movie science trumps real science yeah it does i was waiting for all those little monsters to come out on earth and then there would have been a bigger battle with godzilla and kong fighting all those things uh that's the next movie that we're coming that's i think i think brian just hit the nail right on the head if this makes money i don't i mean i don't i think The next movie is going to be those,

what were the ones in Skull Island? Skull crawlers. Yeah, I think it's going to be those because they had all those little eggs growing. So I think those are going to get, they're going to get big, and they're going to do like a Jurassic Park thing, and then they're going to go wild,

and they're going to bring in Kong and Godzilla to wreck house. I got a question. So if anybody paused it or looked, did any of you guys see, like, did Godzilla defeat all those, you? I mean, they had a whole, they had a whole bracket, like the NCAA bracket.

Yeah, no, they showed the screen and it said defeated, killed, or whatever, but like how, right? Yeah, it's like, did he defeat Angoras and that spider and the other Motu? And, yeah, it's like,

it's like, oh, and then Kong, all he defeated was that big skull crawler thing, but I'm sorry, go ahead. Where was Mothra? I was waiting for her to come flying. Yeah, Mothra died. She died.

She sacrificed herself to give Kong to give Godzilla her essence. No. Yeah, she's dead, man. Too early, man. Where were the twin Asian girls? I know, they should have been in the last movie. Singing. And that one little dude,

what the fuck was his name? He was on the island that was talking all the natives in the 62 version. I was waiting for him to jump in there, But no, we didn't get any of them. I did, I did like that they, uh, where was Jeff Bridges? Yeah, where was, where's the dude at? I did like they did pay homage to the, to the 62 version by having Kong, uh, tied up on a, on a, on a, uh, whatever that was, big old giant ship in the 62 one, they had them like on a raft tied up. Um, and I did like that they carried them, um, but not with balloons like they did in the 62.

when they had the helicopters and everything. I thought that was pretty sweet. But, yeah, my problem was just all the humans shit. I didn't care for any of that. Special effects, I thought it was amazing, especially when they were underwater. I thought that whole fight scene was badass, especially when they dropped the death charges and everything.

I thought that was awesome. Every time Godzilla did the blast out of his mouth, how come I want to know why he didn't shoot out of his back? back in this one. He's not Shin. Didn't he? I thought he did that in King of Monsters. No, he only used his

No, you mean the only thing he did, he just turned atomic. Like a big, like, he just turned like the sun. That's right. That's right. Is that one of his shit? He was shot out of his back? No, that was in Shin Gojira. I'm getting all these movies

confused. I haven't, I only saw King of of Monsters. was once and I didn't like it. I didn't watch it again. But I wanted more fighting in this. I mean, the fighting we got in it was amazing. Yeah, lots, man. What the fuck you complained in about?

No, no. There was. There wasn't, there wasn't enough. I wanted more. Yes, there was. It was just mainly those two big battles, and then the battle at the end when they weren't even fighting each other. Bringing in Mecca Godzilla, it was pointless to bring that character in so early. They should have saved that for the next film.

that's why and that and that was super telegraph like we knew it was like an evil organization and damien basher was just laying it on so fucking thick but you had to have it dude you had to no you didn't it was stupid the movie is called godzilla versus kong not godzill and kong versus mega godzilla we knew they were gonna match up at the end and fight a common enemy that was stupid save that for the next film dude they pulled the um they pulled the playbook out of spider man three how they introduce Venom like yeah

it was like okay let's bring in but they should it I mean like in King of the Monsters they teased us with with you know Monster Zero's head

I thought you know it was going to regenerate but ended up just like leaving the skull for that that Japanese guy to sit in there and have his eyes flip up

but but it's like they should have what they should have done is just teased mecha Godzilla at the end yes post credits and then and give us it in the next movie

I want like I wanted these two to fight you want if they did a mecha Godzilla I would lean towards doing one that was close to the one and ready player one yeah but I mean

I wanted just them two fighting the whole movie because I don't like when they bring in more more monsters or more bad guys. All these films that we got, comic book movies and everything, they mess up by bringing in too many bad guys

or killing off the bad guys. I get it. This should have just been these two fighting in this film. Then tease us with Mega Godzilla or whatever the next monster that's coming. That's what they should have did. And then lead that into the next one, then have them team up for the next film.

Because when I saw it coming too, And I was like, ah. I know, man. They showed all their cards on this movie, didn't it? Yeah, they shouldn't even showed Mecca Godzilla at all in the trailer. Or they should have just kept that quiet. And then it would have been a surprise. Like, okay, cool, right on.

But speaking to him, I loved how he looked. I thought he looked awesome. And then when they were fighting him, I thought that was pretty sweet. But my problem was it was just too early to bring that character in. This should have just just been these two fighting because we got awesome fights when they were fighting each other. And then that should have went all the way to the end of the film. And it didn't. I was like, uh, but yeah.

You're not, you're not wrong, dude. I just don't see how they could have told this story without bringing them in. They didn't, they didn't need to because obviously there's going to be more of these films. So just, just tease us with them.

And then like, oh, man, we're getting Mega Godzilla in the next one. So I think he'll eventually. come back. I mean, all I'd do is rebuild it and then bring him in, bring him into whatever. They'll look like twice as strong, right? Yeah. So, I was waiting for the missiles to shoot out of his fingers. We didn't get that. But yeah, I mean, my only problem was bringing and Mecca Godzilla too much too soon and I could have did without all the human parts. I just wanted more,

more fighting. And it took forever for, it was almost an hour before we even saw the first fight. But It was cool. And the whole hollow Earth, I thought that was awesome. I really did like that. I didn't have any clue that they were going to do that, that angle with this story. So I want to see more of that now because now Kong is down there and everything. So I thought that was pretty cool. So hopefully in the next film, maybe it'll all be in the hollow Earth.

I don't know. I'll imagine so, yeah. We'll see where it goes. And I did like all the little spaceships and everything. they were flying around in. I thought that was a, that was awesome. I wanted the Super X.

So I don't know. I don't, there was no, uh, sting or anything at the end. So I don't, uh, no,

know what's coming. I mean, I think they should have did something to lead us into whatever's coming next, but they obviously showed us the, what were those monsters called again? The ones from Skull Island. Um,

the skull crawlers. Yeah. Obviously, we're getting more of those. So, we'll see with the next film Ryan what do you think okay

I am right in the middle I loved everything with Godzilla and Kong I thought this special effects were awesome I thought the the fight scenes were great I fucking really loved Kong in this one he had in the the second big fight he had Martin Riggs lethal weapons two moment

where he had put his shoulder back I loved everything and I would have to say I hated every human character except the little girl I think she was needed because you needed that

human connection with Kong because it's always Favorite character in the movie and second favorite is definitely the podcast dude Yeah and I will agree he didn't fucking need Millie Bobby Brown

or the fat kid from Deadpool too I didn't even know. Okay. I thought he was going to come in to use when he was going to start hacking the computer. Uh-huh. And then you come to find out he's just trying to do something he's seen in movies. Like he has no idea what he's going to do this with him. And like I said, other than the little girl, because I thought she was needed.

And I'll give you the podcaster. I did like him. But everybody else, I hate it. Scarsguard, I have no idea what he does, except stand around and look confused and worried all the time. You know what? I'm okay with that. Again, I liked him in this movie, man. He's good and everything.

I'm going to argue with you guys. I liked most of the characters in this movie. For me, that's a big, big, big step up, because I hated him in the first two movies. I don't know what they do in this movie. Rebecca Hall, she studies Kong, but she has no idea he can communicate with anybody. She's fine.

That's why I let us laugh. Yeah, you've got a good point, Brian. You got a good point, man. I love, she's so fine. Eliza Gonzalez. Oh, my God. What is she doing in this movie? What is she doing in this movie?

You knew. You know what? I'm there. Like, this character is going to get it. And she's going to get it. She's there. That's all I care about, man. Okay, if you guys, if you guys, like, we watch tons of movies. Like, we are, we're fucking, like, we're stronger than Wikipedia when it comes to movies.

But if you ever notice a pattern in movies that involve anti-protagonist, right? When they're, okay, say like, say like, you know, Brian runs Greenpeace, Lance wants to hunt whales. And Lance will come and talk to Brian, like, he'll approach him like man to man. Like, hey, dude, da-da-da-da-da-da. But if you notice in movies that when there's a female protag and an tag, they always got to start off bitchy. It's like, why can't you just talk to Rebecca Hall? Why are you got to first come in and be like, okay, I'm the boss.

It's like, okay, okay. And my point is always, and that's my thing. and that's my thing I was like, okay, when I was watching it, I was like, she's going to come in

and she's going, she's going to throw her ovaries on the table. And she did. Boom. Cannonball size ones. Right. And I was like, why?

Why? I mean, Damien Bashar when he was talking to Scars Guard, he didn't do that. He was just like, hey, man, I'm a snake, and you'll find out later,

but I'm cool. And he did hammer it up, didn't he? Yeah, he did with that really bad hairpiece. I mean, that hairpiece was terrible. In the words of Jesse Jackson was terrible. But I will say this, like, you know, Brian brought her about, like, Kong's lethal weapon moment.

Dude, my favorite was his, is grabbing, putting his hands on his two buildings and throwing that kick with both feet. That was, I watched that fight scenes so many times. I was like, they must have got MMA fighters to choreograph. Yeah. Kong did a lot of interesting things the first battle when they're on the ships didn't did he

I might be confused I might have made this over my mind did he use one of the fighter planes yeah I was about to take off as like a ninja star he just kind of flung it he threw it like the dark the guy ejected

he was in the plane yep like I said I love I love that scene I loved everything with them is just the human characters. And I can't believe I'm saying that because when we reviewed the

second Godzilla movie, I said all that didn't matter. That was just to get people in the seats. It's all about the monsters, but these characters were so fucking Kyle Chandler. Why? Just so we could say we had that connection.

Kyle Chandler was only in it for like five minutes, so you can forgive that. He's a horrible father. He has no idea where his daughter's at or anything. The last time they talked, he said, I'll see you home. Next thing you know, she's in Hong Kong. And he has no idea. You know, they kind of...

He doesn't even follow her on her iPhone, huh? They kind of alluded to that his wife didn't die. Yeah? They kind of, like, they kind of threw that in there. they're like, you know, well, since her, I think they said something like since we didn't find her or her, you know, that, you know, when they were talking about villains and they mentioned her, but it was like, they didn't mention her like she was dead. They're like, well, she's still out there. Yeah. But if she, if she's still out there, she still has that device. I would have rather seen Vera Fermiga than anybody else in this movie.

I guess, I guess she was doing something. else. So they had to kill her character off, right, Mike? That's right. Wind Guard cut, man, telling you. Where was Captain Marvel and Loki? How come they're old? I know, but they could have still been in it. They could have still been in it. Yeah, they would have, they would have to do some serious makeup. They would have information on Kong and everything because Nick Fury got killed.

That would have been cool. they'd worked that in. Like, Loki with like a long, uh, gray beard. See, I would have bought that more than Scarsguard and Rebecca Hall.

Like, they were there this whole time helping with the, the, I don't even know how they fucking built a dome over this island. Like Kong allowed this to happen. Exactly. That's why I want to see that. And then I just hate how they're so,

oh, did the monkey just talk? Like, you're so surprised that this, highly intelligent. You're right. That was bad, dude. Obviously, it's intelligent.

And then when he signs back and everybody's like, huh. Yeah, but that was the deaf girls journey, man, you know? You got to give him a little bit of movie magic, you know? No.

No. It was, was it, was the Japanese dude's last name, Sirizawa also? I think it was. If so, yeah. I mean,

they're trying to tie it together, right? Yes, it was. It's, yeah, it's like, but still, like, what's the connection?

They had no reference to Ken Watanabe, you know, is this, you know, it was just the, oh, here's a Shirazawa guy. It's like,

no one said, hey, didn't your, it's your ancestor, your pops or grandfather, didn't he like, you know, da da da da da,

it's like he was just, okay, here's, here's this dude. Now it took him. him up to this, you know, Godora skull. Sure. Yeah, it would have made more sense.

It would have gave him us, his motivation for wanting to take down Godzilla because if that was his father or grandfather or whatever the case was, then I could see him being upset that he died trying to help Godzilla. And now you're, whatever, titans are still here tearing up the earth. Right, right. he died for nothing. I could have seen it going that way, but no, they just kind of threw a last name on him. Just threw him in there, huh, with the same last name?

Put him in the whatever Professor X fucking head here. They did work. Okay, explain what happened at the end. I got lost. It did malfunction and just started working on its own? Yeah, it pulled us. pull the sky net. A little sky net, yeah. Yeah, and just,

oh, it's thinking for himself. So what did they need the guy with the neural link for if it had the ability to think for itself? I think they're trying to do a rift thing like they did in Pacific Rim. Oh, okay. And then, like, he was. Yeah, he was rifty. But it was like, how is he compatible with a skull from a creature that's not even from Earth? you know there there was so many like

it was a swish cheese of plot holes in there I mean that's what I'm saying who's the scientist in this movie none of them I mean nobody was it was like you know just let's uh you know the only guy that was close to maybe

having his PhD was a you know Scarsguard but then he was he's questionable well Mike I think you said earlier this is not citizen citizen Cain Okay, this is what it says. Nathan Lane, a hollow earth theorist is a guide to search for a power source into the hollow earth, the home world of the Titans. Nathan is initially hesitant as his brother died in an explosion to hollow Earth due to a strong reverse gravitational effect.

So he was hired by the Apex CEO Walter Simmons. He was the one that brought him in. So I think it was me. I mean, they, it was Is he a scientist or does he just have some crazy ideas? It seemed like it was ideas. His brother

I think he's part of QAnon. His brother was the one that was that found it. Seriously, look at it like this. It was Elon Musk who hired who hired the Buffalo headdress guy from the capital.

Scars guard being the Buffalo headdress guy. He has all these theories and then Elon Musk hired him. All right. And then let's throw in some like random black maintenance guy.

Oh no. The line was you're going to do maintenance. You believe this thing apart, man. I mean, if you look at his scar, like I have theories about things, right? And I'm writing a book.

So why can, you know, I don't know, man. All I know is yeah, maybe oh God. See, that's why of these people were going to this story. It's a movie.

It's a movie. I was satisfied with the fighting. Yes. Because really it's like Godzilla versus Kong with people. It's like, no, man, let's just have, you know, let's just let them fight. That's what I wanted. I mean, we got what we got and it was all awesome. Every time they were on screen fighting or even when they were alone was awesome.

But they got to throw in the bullshit. between and it just I didn't I didn't care for it I wanted more fighting you could a aced out all that and just gave me another hour or half hour of fighting I mean I wanted that I was in the court rule and all of that I can't stand this dude man what do you watch the movie no dude I'm outside oh I couldn't you turn the TV up I was I'm listening to the Cherokee boys I thought we were listening to a movie clip. So you listened to the Egyptian magician or what?

I don't know. It was the Wingard cut. You know, I was telling you. As I even loved the beginning, man, when you thought Kong was just right on Skull Island. And then he threw that spear, right? And it landed on the, I mean, it was like that Jim Carrey movie. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Truman Show.

Yeah. Truman Show. Of course, man. I like the way they started the movie that way. I want to know how they did it. Yeah. He knew enough to throw something at it

to know what it is. Did they give him those berries to make him drunk? Yes, they doped him up after he fought an octopus. And then that girl probably led him in there and was like, you know, they'll keep you safe.

but don't tell anyone that you can talk yet. Who taught him sign language? The little girl? What was she like six years old? The little girl taught him, and Rebecca Hall, her job is to study Kong, never not once seeing this going on. Yeah, they're doing it behind her back.

And they just let her run free in that little wild kingdom. That little girl? Yeah. Let her run free at the end. in the fight. She had to go check Kong's heart. Pretty irresponsible, right? Yes, I mean, it was bad parenting and bad decisions in this one.

Be honest, not her parents. I mean, nothing against the little actress. I thought she did her job and she was cool. Kaley Hoddle or whatever her name is, Jaya, Gia, however, And there was nothing against her. It was just bad writing. Because there was no explanation. Fair enough.

There was plenty of plow holes. Lance Reddick. Lance Reddick scene was cut. Who's Lance Reddick? He is. Okay, I know you'll know him instantly when I say he runs the front desk at the Continental. Yeah. John Wick.

You know what? If you cut Lance Reddick, you're going to answer to me. Oh, is that that black dude? Yeah. Oh, okay. Let's Reddick. That's Reddick is a legend.

Fuck you, motherfuckers. I'm done with this movie. I'm reading here. He's the director of Monarch, and they said he had a big scene setting up the mission. All right. But ultimately decided they didn't need it. When y'all say there's going to be a wind guard cut,

I think, unfortunately, this must be HBO's new modus operandi right release a movie leave a shit lot of plot holes in it like you guys said like a fucking Swiss cheese and and then re-release it

a fucking year later with with four parts yeah I don't want the Wonder Woman 84 cut yeah they um keep that one watch everybody every movie coming out is going to be doing that shit now oh no yeah because Justice League

now that everything's going direct to video, right? Everything's going to be like, you know, I want to, you know, I bet there's already a campaign to get a director's cut of this. I know because, you know, I'm still trying to get a director's cut of 47 Roman. I want the Japanese version. Did you guys see that with Canada Reeves?

Yeah. The one that they've filmed in Japan is like, three hours long, and they took out all the mystical shit and just kept it more true to the story. But Japan won't release that one. Now, is that based on the comic book, or what was the inspiration for that movie? Based off of the true story. Ah, okay. Yeah, but without the witches and the flying dragons and all that kind of thing.

But anyway, back to this, it's like... if you if you cut out all the humanele and just had the and just created one big fight scene which somebody will probably do that it would be like what maybe a 30 minute 20 minute fight scene it needed more it needed you know it needed more of that like i agree with nez like they they should have had a good battle down in the hollow earth but i think that's coming that's that i think that's because i think my next the next one will be more attuned to like destroy all monsters. Yeah. Okay. I'm not a scientist, but with him blowing a hole to the center of the earth, wouldn't that like disrupt something

on the planet? Yeah, the planet would blow up. No, if he blew a hole to the center of the earth, the planet would have imploded. It would have, it like, and it would have, it would have pulled everything

underground up through that small... Okay, think of the end of Alien Resurrection when she shot a hole or put a hole in that window. And remember when the newborn went through, that's what would have happened to the Earth. It would have imploded on itself and then

just, it would have just dissipated into itself. How? Where's that movie? Which one? But you just put in my mind. Telling you, man, destroy all monsters. That should be the end of it. And they got to, that happens. And then they got to take them little space shuttles to another planet.

And then we can get like some of what the Netflix movie. Yeah. Then it'll be those animated Godzilla ones on Netflix. See, we've solved the problem already, man. We already solved the monster. I think the next Kong movie should just be him in Hollow Earth. Because there's plenty of monsters down there for him to fight. Because those snake dragons or whatever they,

were those were badass man give me more of the beaks yeah give me more of those uh I'm sure there's a ton of them down there and I want all those little things to come crawling through that hole and get up to earth and then bring then Godzilla and have them fight Godzilla in the movie after that should have been the the end credit scene was that hole and then you just see some kind

of claw or something coming out maybe like a little small one come out and then that that'll be the one to start it off. Brian, Brian, I felt like a fucking asshole. I sat around to the movie theater for 10 fucking minutes watching credits with no goddamn after-credit

scene. I felt like the biggest idiot in the world, man. Why was there not an after-credit scene? I sat in front of my TV and I did not feel like that. There was no after-credit scene because they want, they want to start a new story.

Yeah. I think he said that. They didn't want to allude anything. Yeah, but there wasn't after credit scene in Skull Island, and it led nowhere. This was, nowhere. Well, it led to kind of sort of Mechagodzilla, I guess. But what happened to, what's his name that found it? From Game of Thrones. I don't know.

Wait. Tyrion? No. You see it there? Now that would be interesting. Fucking midget versus Godzilla. Little person. Now that I would pay money to see.

Who? Little person. Wait, who from Game of Thrones? The guy that played Peter Dinklage's father. Oh. Ah. Yes. Okay. I do remember that. What's his name from Black Action Hero? Go on my one.

And he was an alien three. Oh, Charles Dance. Yeah. Charles. Yeah. Okay. I'm with you. Yeah, he plays Dickie on The Crown. Don't ask me why I watch it, but I have to if I want action figures. Just like I'm sorry, I'm proud of it. I straighten my chest when I say, I love Downton Abbey.

Okay, that's cool, man. That show was great. I was one of the first people in line to see the movie in the theater. Yes, I was. And if anybody wants to talk me about it, I train MMA now. No. Anyway, yeah. Okay, so the end of Skull Island, that little teaser at the end alluded to King of the Monsters because then it tied everything together. And then the end of King of the Monsters was supposed to tie, I guess it tied this one in in a very sucky way.

Because all they had left was the skull. Right. But true. Where was the other guy? where was Charles dance from? Where's John C. Riley? Oh, he was at Wrigley Field. He should have popped up as a really old man. That's what I said he was been an old dude.

Where's John Sina? John Sina should have shown up. Oh, maybe he did. We just couldn't see him. He's in a suicide squad, which is kind of. Sorry, man. I'm trying to get into the wrestling returns. Sorry.

That's going to be on stream fiends as well. the suicide squad. Oh, as well it should be. I envy y'all, man. I could never get into wrestling. Wow. I could. These guys might as well be talking Mandarin.

It's about as American as apple pie and baseball. I just couldn't get into it. I mean, like, I tried. in the 80s with the honky top man Super Flash Knucka you know the legends but when it started to get into like

you know Undertaker and the rock and I was you know when I was a teacher you know my kids would talk about it and I was like okay cool and then they went into this whole other direction with some dude that looks like a scary clown I guess he's called the fiend

or some shit now they got fucking women doing it. It's like, come on. I think I, I think the last rest of the piece. I tuned out on was like, like, I can't even tell you, man. I can't. Game grill.

There you go. I got us. The rest in porn now. Yeah. All I know is, all I know is, oh, Nez, real quick, side note. I might be going to Irvingt tomorrow. also if you're looking for anything, let me know. Oh, Burbank?

To Burbank. Yeah. All right. But anyway, yeah, I know Ned hits me at sometimes. It's like, hey, man, if you see something, like, I think the last thing I got you was that Roddy Piper at Target. Yeah. Oh, shit.

Did he have a kilt? Yeah. He's the Hot Rod shirt. Yeah. I think I've seen that action figure. There's a bunch of a bunch of different ones. I need to get all the old ones. but so how was Lance how was this in 3D was it pretty cool

it was fucking badass in 3D dude it really was I mean this reminded me of Avatar all kidding aside and you guys are making fun fuck you Nez you guys are making fun of me and you're like oh Lance likes the characters oh that's that's really cool because they all suck you know go ahead laugh at me laugh at me but you know what the fight scenes were amazing

the scenes like where they got in that little elevator that was going through the tunnel where it would light up as they went through the tunnel it was amazing in 3D man this movie needs to be a ride you know what I think they did a great job with the animation especially when you go to Middle Earth if it was a ride they can provide you with them

sick bags that they gave her you know what I like that idea Brian I like that idea I think you're under something the ride will be in Florida at that universal one I guarantee it no mask no mask required

more room over there Florida and Texas baby all right everyone that's Godzilla versus Kong but we'll do this like we do when the horror returns Lance one to ten

oh man fuck shit put me on the spot man I'm going to give it a strong seven and a half, man. I really did like it three-fourths good, in my opinion. You know what? The fight scenes alone would almost give it an eight. And the human interest stories, which you guys hate,

which I actually kind of liked, would give it maybe up to eight and a half. But you guys have kind of taught me down a little bit, so I'm going to go seven and a half. Because total lack of logic I'm gonna stand on a firm eight I'm gonna stand on the firm eight

I'm gonna stand on the firm eight because I could tolerate the I could tolerate the human element but for me I just went for the two title characters I went for the full main event and it didn't disappoint

see I shouldn't have been such a pussy I should have said eight just like you man God damn it Right. Six and a half. That's good. It's good. It's close to a seven, but I just really hated.

I think Lance, I was where you were at with King of Monsters with the characters. I think I'm there with this one. I get it. I totally get it, man. I give the fighting and everything a 10. I thought that was a 10. That was a hero.

But we didn't get a great special effect. We didn't get enough of it. But I would give this overall seven, I would say. I mean, it's not bad. I mean, I'll watch it again. And of course, I'll buy it when it comes out. But I do a book. Of course.

I got all the other still books. So might as well get this one. Yeah, you even got Wonder Woman 84, which I'm in the whole thing about it. Yeah, I got it right here. I can't lie. I'm a completionist. I got it over here. Speaking of Steelbook.

It'll never, it'll never be open. Mine's open. But you, but you own it. Speaking of Steelbooks, I just bought Batman v. Superman, the Ultimate Edition steel book.

Oh, come on. Which I missed. So I'm glad I got it finally. But yeah, seven. Again, special effects and the fighting

was a 10. I thought it was just an amazing, amazing job on what all the CGI artists. just did with it. And, I mean, it was cool to even bring in the, the, um,

the live action in the CGS, especially during the, the fight scene out in the ocean when that one, when, uh, when, uh, Kong was on the aircraft carrier and, and the nose of the ship started to go up.

And that, uh, jet just took off. And I thought that was awesome. And yeah, when they were grabbing the jets and throwing them and, uh, Godzilla's tail hitting the jets out of the sky. I,

just thought I thought that was amazing. Absolutely high point of the movie, right? And the body count again was in the thousands. You know, it was weak, though? That dude got out the aircraft carrier just in time for Godzilla to hit him with his scales. It's like, yes, shit. Oh, man, you're fucked. Oh, the other thing, really quick, the other thing I had a problem was when the, when the,

The boat that the ship that Kong was on when it flipped over, man, it was flipped over. Those got people underwater for minutes. Why did Rebecca Hall lock herself in the little girl in that little room? I don't know. Yeah, that just, I don't know. Why did they do a lot of stuff in this movie? Yeah, every time Brian brings up logic, I'm like, I'm a really seven and a half, but.

I am worried about that Thundercats movie now. Okay. Not Thundercats. Wait a minute. Is Adam Wingard directing that? Yeah, live action Thundercats. No way. I'll probably just get the figures.

Oh, God. How come none of us, nobody brought a Rodin? Eh. I mean, to me, to me, in my opinion, he had the best, he had the best scene in the King of the Monsters when he was taking out all the was jets. I like when he flew over that village or town or whatever and it was just the force of him flying over

was just destroying everything. I love that. Adam Wingard's bringing, he's going down with his movies. I think the last good movie he did was the guest. I just, now, I like this one, dude.

I guess he's been in talks. He's been in talks with the star, the guest, and the writer to do a series. good I'd rather see that than him doing Thundercats What else has he done Your next That was awesome

Wait a minute Brian hold on hold on Brian are you saying there's There's got to be a TV series of the guests With the original What is his name From the dude from my Down to the Abbey

Yeah One full circle mind What's his name? What's his name? Dan Stevens. Yeah, Dan Stevens. Charles Xavier's son in the TV show. They're in talks right now

to possibly do a continuation of the movie through a series. I'm all in. I'm all in with that. Do not cut Lance Reddick out. Please. Spoiler.

He died. He's in the guest. Okay. All right. Because the last few movies he did, I never watched Outcast. I don't know what that is. But Blair Witch was garbage. Death Note was garbage.

What? Better than the anime. No. The anime was way better than a dumb movie. I can't sit and watch a season of 97 episodes. That was a 48-hour week, Brian. It was your idea. Anime is better than the movie.

The movie was garbage. I love it. But, uh, makes the universal music, Brian. We're going to have to redo the whole show. That's on you, man. All right. All right, Ms.

It's your pick, you're, your pick, Ms. Oh, oh, fuck. I forgot all about that. All right. Uh, I did have a moment.

movie for the next stream fiends let me see if I can remember it you should uh shouldn't have put me out to the abbey yeah no give on my

back me up here all right um everyone I watched this yesterday and I love this film Mike does as well I'm gonna go back to 1979 back to the to the Wild West with Walter Herald's The Long Riders

Oh shit shit I just watch that the other day. Yeah, I watched it yesterday. God, that movie's classic. Mike, yeah, come on with this again. Yeah, definitely. Where in the hells, Missouri? Yep. This is streaming on Star. You have stars, don't you, Brian? Yep. All right. Yeah, it's on Stars. All right. So, yep, that's the next one, everyone. So if you guys want to be a part of the

conversation, Walter Hill's, the Longriders, the story of the James and the Youngers and what was Cousin Eddie The Millers Yeah Cousin Eddie Yeah so yeah

Come back next week For that film So Mike Lance Thank you for joining us I know it's really late for you Lance So

You better get to bed For the kids wake up They're all put to sleep We're good Everyone, thank you so much for listening. Do go and listen to Brian and I's latest bonus episode, Necropath. Brian, I found the director, and Skag himself. I'm going to reach out to the director first because we got questions.

This is a second bonus episode where we have a lot of questions. Yeah, Skagg, I really, I mainly want to talk to him and see what. Contact crack hag. Well, we got to go. Let's get through those two guys first. Then we'll find her. Okay. Yeah, I got questions for her, too.

So, but yeah, go listen to a necropath. It's over on the Horror Returns Network as well as the East Society's anchor feed. We're going to, all the bonus stuff is going to be combos with the horror returns and the East Society. So go over there and listen to those. and definitely check out Necropath because it's a movie. And streaming, it's VOD. So definitely help support indie filmmaking. And Mike, what do you got going on over there?

I don't even know what you, Winboy pictures or whatever it's called. What? Oh, real talk junkie? Yeah, real talk junkies. Win boy pictures. Let's see. I'm finishing up the script for the film. Actually, you're in this film.

It's one I'm doing called First Voice. It's about a 911 dispatcher who's working from home during the pandemic. And he gets a distressing call from first responders who are trapped in a house that is haunted by a Native American entity. and the dispatcher is knowledgeable about medicines and the native culture, and he has to navigate them through their night and make sure that they may make it through the morning. And it's all done with just voice acting, and just me,

I'm the only person you see because I play the dispatcher. Holy fuck, dude. It's all based on... The sign of the times, man. It's all based on a good storytelling. Kind of like a homage to Orson Wells is a radio show of War of the Worlds. And the horror movie, I don't know if you guys ever seen Ponty Pool. Yes.

Oh, of course. That's just based on a DJ talking to the crowd during, talking to the listeners during a zombie epidemic. So it's along the lines of that. And for me personally, I'm working on a. a very personal project called Figured It Out, Action Figure Photography and Depression. It's a story about how, or it's a documentary about how I used Action Figure Photography to get me through 2020 since I was stuck at home. I have underlying conditions like diabetes and high blood pressure, so I really don't want to risk going out. So stuck at home. See,

and it's a lesson. If Jack Torrance had done Action Figure, photography, he wouldn't have cut his family or try to kill his family. So, well, you never know. Yeah, I am. But anyway, it's a story about how I've been dealing with depression and how I discovered that action figure photography was my therapy, getting me through the pandemic and other stuff I was going through. So, yeah, that's going to probably be out by summer, hopefully.

A lot of these projects got delayed because my, computer decided to take a dump because of all the RAM went out on it. So this weekend, hopefully by next weekend, I'll have a new Mac with 164 gigs of RAM. So, yeah, but that's all I've been doing. I've got to finish the book. The Mrs. is proofreading it because she's a UCLA professor, Hala. Final four, UCLA Bruins. But yeah, she's editing my book.

for me. So then I'll just make the right corrections and hopefully get it out. The book is called Shooting Plastics, the Arts of Action Figure Photography. Yep. Nice. I've seen a lot of your shit, dude. Real quick, Mike, have you heard of that new show on Apple TV Plus Calls? No.

Okay, I think that's kind of similar to what you're talking about, dude. the first couple episodes I checked out it's basically just only listening to the audio only and it's like calls during a pandemic oh okay yeah so it it sounds like it's fairly similar to what you're working on okay cool

cool yeah I with this one with first voice I'm lucky to have a friend that's a 911 dispatcher so when the script is complete she's going to over it and tighten up the dialogue and the terminology that will be in the film. But yeah, I think those are the only two. Oh, and a friend of mine, another indie filmmaker, a native guy named Steve Tallis, he did an award-winning film called Res Dogs that's playing the festival circuit.

And he is doing a film about, he's doing a film about Skinwalkers. and really can't talk about what it is, well, it's nighttime. But he asked me to reprise my role of bad, the character that I played in the smudging. So I'm going to be doing a scene via Zoom, where he's asking me what our crew went through when we were investigating the center, plus he wants to know

what kind of things that my character uses to like keep evil things away. Oh shit. I might or might not check it out at night. Some creepy shit, dude. Yeah.

There's a lot of stuff because me and Nezbo, Navajo, there's a lot of things that you know that, like doing films, doing scary native films, we have to get permission to do. do because a lot of that shit like, you know, we don't even want to talk about in the day time. I hear you, man.

Yeah, I fucking love that movie, dude. I loved it, dude. You sent us a copy to watch and I don't know, man. Kind of like, wow. Dude, that movie hit 25 million views

like on Amazon. That's nuts. I was having a moment the other night and Brian was like, dude, you fucking made a movie, man, quit crying. Stop crying, fool, you made a movie. That's what Nez keeps telling me,

as I'm telling him, like, every now and then I'm like, you know, I want to change this? He's like, motherfucker, don't George Lucas this shit, just leave it. No, yeah, please, please, don't do that shit. Okay, so here's the thing.

I'm going to throw a shout out to my boy I throw a shout out to my boy, Ryan Hurst, who is an independent contractor who does the... You know, in the Marvel movies, whenever you see a Jet or Iron Man, he leaves that smoke trail. Of course. Yeah.

My buddy Ryan does that. He does the special effects for Marvel films. Ah. He does... Is that CGI or what do they do? He designs the smoke himself. He designs fire. He designs water.

He never uses a source material. He just knows how to design all that shit. I guess for the last, I haven't seen Wanda Vision, but I guess in the last episode, there's like a huge battle. He did all the, he did the fire and all the debris, like rocks and smoke. He did all that. He did work on Spider-Man 3. he's anyway

Ryan and I are going to talk about special effects like the only thing that I want to do with the smudging is with the entity I want to add a little bit more I wanted to add tendrils to it so okay animation basically or what

yeah yeah like a CGI but not make it too don't don't don't overdo it man I mean it's your it's your movie but I can't Kind of like when you live a little bit to the imagination. Okay. And that's the feedback I need to hear. That's the feedback I need to hear.

Not just a, because that doesn't do anything. I told you this long time ago. But, yeah, man, that's, and I just keep hearing. I know Brian's got it on the tip of his tongue. Motherfucker, shut up. You made a movie.

So. I got my Blu-ray copy, so. Oh, so original. I got the DVD, too. The soundtrack? I want the VHS next. But I should do some of those. You should.

All right, everyone. That's going to be it for this episode. We'll definitely come back with more action returns, and we're doing band of the hand, and then come back for the next episode of Stream Fiends, and we're doing Walter Hills, The Longriders. So, all you out there, be excellent to each other. Be safe.

And we'll see you guys all next time. So until stream fiends comes back, you guys all be safe out there and party on. And just remember if Alexander Scarsgarde can be a scientist and a movie, you can be anything you want.