The Horror Returns - THR Presents: Stream Fiends - Ep. 30: Thunderheart (1992)

Episode Date: March 24, 2022

This episode Brain and Nez head out to the Bear Creek Indian Reservation in South Dakota to help solve a murder investigation on tribal land in the 1992 crime/mystery/thriller THUNDERHEART.   Join the THR Presents: Stream Fiends Facebook Group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/3860579827402429 Follow THR Stream Fiends on IG: @thrstreamfiends   Join The Horror Returns Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns Check out everything Horror Returns at: https://thehorrorreturns.com   Join The Action Returns Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/841619946357776   Follow The Action Returns on IG and Twitter: Instagram: @theactionreturns Twitter: @action_returns    Intro Music by Mixla Beats Productions https://www.mixlaproduction.com

He's not gonna hurt you. The children were with me. We stocked up on drinking water while we were there and drove back to the Res around noon. Okay, and the old woman was with you? No. Why? I'd like to talk to her. No, she's afraid of the FBI. Look, I have reason to believe that a murder was committed on your property.

Now, I'm sure if you just explained to her that we're here as a service to the community, she'll cooperate. She doesn't talk to us, C.C. But then you're Indian. That's correct. What nation? The United States. I'm a Sue. Who do you get your blood from?

Who's your father? Look, this really doesn't matter, does it? Grandma's very, very traditional. I don't think she'll understand. I'm very traditional, too. Why don't you bring her out? She can explain to me about shape-shifting, and I'll explain to her about the airplane.

Well, you're from the reservation. You asshole. I'm from Minneapolis. I spent four years at Dartmouth before I came back to the reservation. I know my rights and I know your world. Grandma's not coming out unless you've got a warrant and you're trespassing on my property, so hit the road, chief. I'm back to another episode of THR Presents Street Beans. I'm your host Brian and with me as always is my brother Nez.

What's up, man? Oh man, I'm good. Just a little under the weather, but I'm here for you guys. Yeah, we kind of took a little height. A lot of stuff was going on. I was traveling around the country and did an awesome show at the Shrine in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Go over to Oh, excuse me. It's getting his podcast network on Podbean and listened to the latest McNus podcast. Shout out to Hokie podcast and Tokes signals. And who, man.

I forgot the other guy's names. They also have a show. Talk Signals podcast. Oh, yeah, podcast. All right. I thought it was podcast. I just not noticed that. With all due respect, podcast, yeah.

Shout out to them. They're the ones that put it all on. And, man, we had a blast. If you guys already listened to that episode, man, we were all over the fucking place on that thing. But it was fun, man. We had a really good time. We had about 45 minutes slot. And I was like, what are we doing?

I mean, we just turned on the mics and went. So brought up the action returns. So that's kind of started off the whole thing. But other than that, we are doing good. but before we dive into anything else, one more thing. Quick little wrestling returns. Oh, man. The late and great Scott Hall,

aka Razor Ramon, better known as the bad guy. He passed away, or was it yesterday? No, two days ago. Yeah, every two days now. Yeah. Um, just his health went into the hospital, get some stuff done and, uh, I guess went into a coma and just was on life support.

And his family decided to turn it off. And, uh, he had passed. He had a, he had a rough life, man. If you guys know Scott Hall, I mean, other than him kicking ass in the ring and doing what he does. Um, he was, he had some demons. he was battling. And there's a lot of videos out there of him. But he was who he was.

And he was great in the ring. And I loved it. What he did, man. His character, especially Razor Ramon. I mean, hey, yo. Hey, Chico and all. Flicking the toothpick at the camera. Yeah.

The Razors' edge. That move was brutal. but I mean it was good I mean my the thing that always pops in my head when we think of Scott Hall was that one WrestleMania

when he was taken on Stone Cold oh and he sold the hell out of that stunner oh my God speaking of Stone Cold it's 316 Stone Cold Day have a beer for Stone Cold um yeah

it looked like he just springboard that was amazing. I watched those clips and who sold it best. And the one I was watching, that one was number two. Rock was, oh,

Rock always sold it the best. He does that little roll and then a little pop in the air. Yeah. But that one, I threw a clip on Instagram. It's just, it's just amazing, man. He sold it so good and just,

sprung back into the air like he was on a trampoline. But yeah, so with that, I mean, Scott Hall rest in peace and love to his family out there. But Big E. Oh, my gosh. Oh, man. Did you see it? Did you watch? Yeah, it was, it was an accident.

I mean, I'm not like, I can't, it can be wasn't like on purpose. It was just with belly to belly suplex. and he came down right on his head. You saw it. I was like, ah, he's all right. He's,

he's in good spirits. I think he's still in the hospital, but he's, he's all right. Yeah, they said his, there's a possibility his career might be done. Um,

we talked about this on, on the latest East Society. Um, I mean, a lot of people have had neck injuries before. Mm-hmm. And they, they've come back edge being one of them leader um Daniel Brian

A.K. Brian Danielson and many others. He might be he might be gone for a while, which I mean good. I mean just take care of yourself and get back in into shape and and everything so maybe down the line he'll come back. But I did like what he said if you watched his video on Instagram that he May the doctor said that it broke, but it didn't really do, it didn't do no spinal damage. It didn't tear any ligaments and something else he said. Yeah, it was fractured, but the vertebraes weren't.

What was the word he used? Displaced. Yeah. So no surgery. Well, that's good. I mean, I guess if you want to break your neck that way, that's the way to do it. But, I mean, shoulda shit probably still hurt. It looked.

Who threw him? Uh, Ridge Holland. Yeah. Oh my God. That, uh, that made my neck hurt. Yeah. Uh, there's, there's a lot of talk. Why would they let an air inexperienced wrestler try to pull that maneuver off?

But what I understand, it was an accident. And, uh, they said Ridge, he did go to the hospital to check on him. And, you know, it's just one of them things that happens. Yeah. I mean, they probably practiced it and figured they had it down, but accidents happened. So nothing. Can we talk about the other thing that happened during that match? Which was how WWE keeps fucking changing people's names.

Pete Dunn is that he's Pete Dunn. He's not Butch. Not anymore. Man. I do come up and that's what happened. They need to change your name or they take away your first name. Yeah. Surprise he just wasn't done.

Yeah. I'd have been all right with that, butch. All of a sudden, he's a, he's a hooligan. He's done. I don't know what's going on over there.

I mean, I love the way NXT is going, but. Oh, yeah. I love me some Nikita Lions. don't ziggler i love dol ziggler don't get me wrong i mean but these did they need him to go down and uh show off i guess but i i don't know i don't know i i didn't like it i didn't like how i like i like that they gave what's his name brawn breaker they gave him the title yeah

didn't like they sent a main roster guy down to take his belt from him yeah i was kind of like really all right I'm digging this new NXT brand but I don't know we'll see um WrestleMania is next

um I was down in Dallas and they are hyping it up already You know this night you're going I don't know yet I'm trying to get a hold of one of my friends to see because he's going both days

but I don't know man I want to see that lead a match. I want to see Edge. I want to see what's his face. Is it Logan Paul or the other one? It doesn't matter, but it's Logan. I do want to see that one. I mean, of course, I'm a boom.

Him and the Miz, yeah, but I don't know. Hey, man, get your money. That's the number one thing. Yeah, true. But in other wrestling news, Jeff, brother Nero, Hardy is all elite. We knew that.

We knew that was happening. Yeah, the worst kept secret in the business. We knew that was happening. There was no if, ends or butts about it. Which was awesome, though. I assume they own that music. I think so.

All right, because, yeah, when that hit, I was, we knew it was coming, but I thought it was going to be one of those, the songs that Jeff wrote when he was in T&A and all that. But no. Did you, sorry, did you see

tonight's? No, not yet. Okay. So I was like, huh, but I knew he was coming. I was just sitting there,

fingers crossed. And the music hit. I was like, oh my God. Definitely watched dynamite and Britt Baker and Thunder Rosa. Awesome match for the main event.

Yeah, so I wish they would, excuse me, bring that out west, man. I think they, I want to say they just announced that they're going to, they're coming to California. I hope so, man. I'd like to go, man. So it's always way out there. So, but I don't know. We'll see.

Um, I know the Hall of Fame, it's like a two for doing the inductee. and then right after that, it's Smackdown. I mean, that'd be awesome to go to. But I don't know. But I don't know. We'll see. I'll let you guys know what day I'm going. Go both nights, man.

I do. I want to, but blow a ton of money if I go two nights. Because that last time I went in there, man, I bought hell of shirts outside. And then when I went inside, I bought more. I was like, damn. I was ready to buy. I'm bringing a sweatshirt or at least a long-sleeve shirt and just hold it until I get inside to buy one of those bags.

Because they didn't let you win with a bag for shit. Same thing when we went to SummerSlam. I had to buy one of those SummerSlam bags to put in all this shit that I bought. But I don't know. We'll see. But I'm definitely bringing a long-sleeve shirt because if you guys have been in the Cowboy Stadium, man, that AC was pumping and it was cold. So, yeah, we'll see what day it is. But all right, on to our main event here.

We're going back to 1992 for the mystery western. I don't know, more of a mystery thriller and drama type of film. I don't know who comes up with these things. But 1992's Thunderheart. There's been a homicide on Indian land. He's an FBI agent. What's my cover? He's sent to solve a murderer.

No cover. You're going in there as who you are, an American, Indian federal officer. But now, drop the question, stick to the assignment, okay? He must follow his heart. You got to listen to the trees, Haas? To find the truth. The owl is a messenger. It means somebody's going to die.

Thunderheart, Reddit R. Now playing at a theater near you. Go over to Google. when a series of murder stuns a small Native American reservation, the FBI sends an agent Ray LaVoy, aka Ray Little Weasel, to investigate while Ray is relatively inexperienced, he is one quarter to,

was he a quarter? I don't know. And the FBI... Did they say that? No. And the FBI, if they did, I don't remember. I do remember that one guy reading. something about it in the beginning.

But the FBI hopes that will make it easier for them to gather information from the locals. While the reservation police officer views, the agent as an outsider, the tribal elder believes him to be the reincarnated spirit of Thunderheart, a Native American hero. Okay. Okay. Came out April 3rd, 1992. This is directed by Michael Apte. I have no idea what else he is directed. Shoot on over to IMDB.

A young mixed blood FBI agent is assigned to work with a cynical veteran investigator on the murder on a poverty-stricken Sue reservation. Okay. This stars Batman, Val Kilmer, Sam Shepard, the great Graham Green, Rima, Reima, William, Fred Ward, we're going to have to do that at some point. Fred Thompson plays the same character in every movie he's in. Sheila Towsy, I think that's her name. The Chief Ted Thin Elk, John Trudell, rest in peace. Julius Drum and a bunch of other people.

All right. Brian, Thunderheart. When did you first see this one? This had to have been close to when it came out. This was on cable all the time. And every time it came on, I would watch it. This movie is awesome. Great performances all the way through.

There's a lot of quotable stuff in here. Graham Green is fucking awesome. There's stuff that's set in here that sticks with you. If it doesn't, then I don't know what's going on. with you for not not you know really tapping in to what's being said one of the lines i wrote down right here that that always stuck with me is um damn where the fuck there to go uh jimmy looks twice when he says sometimes they have to kill you they have to kill you because they can they can never break you that's some deep shit right there yeah i mean john tridel um rest

and peace he he was really really huge and um the indigenous communities uh throughout the americas and i'm sure uh out the world he's a musician uh spoken word he did a lot of um speaking engagements and he he was down for the cause man he knew what he was talking about you feel it do you feel it in the performance yeah i mean if you don't know who john tradela is just just look him up and listen to what he has to say but yeah i thought he played a good Good role in his Jimmy looks twice. And yeah, man, that's to the character he portrayed in this film. That was him in real life.

So that's what I really loved. Going to the poster really quick, Thunderheart, a modern mystery in an ancient land. A nation within a nation, a secret within a man, he came to investigate a murder and uncovered a mystery within himself. Yeah, pretty much. sums the whole thing up. But with this film, we had seen it, I think the week before it came out.

They were having a special screening for it in San Francisco. We had no idea what it was. We just, hey, they're showing this movie. You guys want to go see it? And so within our native community in the Bay Area, we said, yeah, so me and my wife, me and my wife and one of our buddies. And I believe my mother-in-law, we all went and seen it. I didn't even look at the posters or anything when we're walking in it to see who was in it. So I was all right, cool.

Another movie, another native movie that made it to the big screen. So the movie started and I was blown away by this film. This is streaming on stars for those of you to have it. And I left. I came out of the theater like when we were talking about clear cut. I came out charged. I was like, damn, that was hell of good. For those of you don't know, if you're new to this show, I am Native American.

I am from, I represent the Navajo Nation in Arizona. That's where my parents are from and all my families down there. But I'm straight out of East Oakland, represent. People get mad at me when I say that. But that's where I grew up and that's where I was born. I do go back to the res when I can. But, yeah, this movie, I mean, it was all too truthful to it. I mean, some people are like, oh, it's just a movie.

It's just made up now. This was based on true events. And this is based off stuff that's still going on today within reservations throughout the United States. I mean, there's a lot of just hush, hush. Don't talk about it. And what Jimmy said in this, too, I mean, he was like when they were talking about it. Because the guy in the beginning of the film, Leo Fasdale, he basically gets murdered. gets his back blown out by a machine gun because we see him running and then you just

do you just see chunks of him and he goes falling into the water but um this it was they were investigating a murder mystery that's when the FBI was called out there and now Val Kilmer um he was good as Ray Levoy aka Thunderheart in this and he was he was just not clueless, but he was an FBI agent. But the reason they had sent him there is because they found out that he had some native blood in him. And he knew it as well, but he didn't, he didn't claim it. And there's a lot of people out there, some of my friends as well, when they were younger. I mean, I remember them, like, not even wanting to be native.

Yeah. I know people like that. Me being from Alaska, you know, the Native Alaskans up here, there's quite a few that I grew up with that didn't claim that side of them. Yeah, I mean, that's just how people are. I mean, I can't speak for everyone. Me, I've been proud since I was a kid. But there was those times where I didn't want to be Native.

for how I was being treated with all the stereotypical bullshit the people throw at you that they see in movies and TV and cartoons and stuff like that I just got tired of it for a minute but I never did ever like say like out loud other than when I was older that I didn't want to be native because I was I was a little kid when all this was going on I mean, when I got older, when I was a teenager, and I was loud and proud, got in trouble for it, too. But, yeah, they sent him in thinking that, oh, well, you're native. This is your land. So go out there and people will talk to you.

But, yeah, that's how white people see it. Not all of them, but that's how they portrayed it. I mean, Fred Thompson, he played William Dahl. I think that was his name. That guy was an asshole. Man, he was an asshole. What was that movie? In the line of fire.

But he told him, he goes, we're sending, we're sending out a federal agent, a Native American federal agent to investigate a murder out there. And also he had to meet up with Sam Shepard, his character, Frank Cotell. Sam Shepard's a good actor. He can play cool or you can be the asshole. he was in this film. So they send him out there to find out what's going on just to, they got the murder, Jimmy looks twice. No, I'm sorry, not Jimmy looks twice.

Leo Fast Elk, he was the one that was murdered in the very beginning. So they send him out there to investigate that murder. They already have suspects. And the person they're really looking for was John Trudell's character, Jimmy looks twice. They're pretty much saying that he was the one that did it. And that's why we need to go out there and find him and bring him to justice. So, I mean, that's what as far as what Ray LaVoy knew, that's why he was going out there. But when he got out there, he found out that there was more to the story.

The people that he was working for were basically lying on why they were there. Because when he also hooks up with Graham Green's character, Walter Crow Horse, he knows what's going on, as well as Maggie Eagle Bear, Sheila's Tosi, I think that's Sosi, I think that's her name. They knew what was going on there, as well as Jimmy and Leo Fastelk. They all knew what was going on on the reservation. Fred Ward, he played Jack Milton. He was half-breed. He was half-white and half-native.

Sue, and he was the tribal chairman. This is the shit that made me mad because I know some people like this. Yes, they live on a res. Yes, they represent the res. But what Fred or what Jack Milton was doing, tribal chairman, there's a lot of crooked tribal chairman, even tribal people on the council, not just. on my res or where I'm living I mean throughout

the America there's plenty of crooked tribal's people anyway he was he basically had his they called them goons they were the guardians of the Oglala Nation

out there and goons was for short he was running that and they basically just a bunch of half breeds thinking They can rule the res. And Jimmy looks twice and Maggie Eagle Bell, Baron Leo Fasdalk and Walter Crow Horse and everyone else, they were all the traditionals.

I mean, traditional ways, traditional medicine. Basically, they were the real people of the land. They wanted to stick to the traditional ways. I am all about tradition. That's how I was raised. that's how I raised my kids and my grandsons. Yeah, it's important to uphold your heritage. Yeah, I mean, if you don't, if you don't learn it, you don't know it, it disappears.

I know a lot of people, a lot of my friends that I grew up with in the city, only know the city, only know Oakland, only know the Bay Area. They know what tribe they are, but they've never been to where their people are from. I mean, they're like me. I'm Oakland. I'm San Francisco. I'm behind you. I'm 100 percent. But I know where my family's from. I know where my grandparents on my father and my mother's side. I know where they're from. I know what clan I am. I know what clan my father is as well as my mother.

I know all that. As far as language, I can say some things. I can understand it more than I can speak it. my um um excuse me um my mother

my uh my uh my father's mother my uh chanella she um she couldn't speak she could speak English a little bit but enough to when we were younger to communicate with us she can write it and everything but she predominantly spoke Navajo she spoke into the

the Navajo language is what she spoke And my grandfather, he spoke English as well, but they all knew the language as well as my parents did. So that's how we were able to communicate with her. She broke in English and a lot of Navajor is in there. She said it so much to what we knew what she was saying. So, but I mean, it's good to, if you are Native, any of you native listeners out there, be in America or in Canada or just spread out to all over the world. if you guys know your heritage and your in your language and everything, cool, right on, party.

But there's some people that just don't want to learn it, don't want to know it. It's sad, but like I said, some of my friends were like that. But what Jack Melon and those guys are doing, they just wanted to just be corrupt because they were saying that, yeah, this guy, he gets kickbacks from the government and everything. because there was a lot of stuff that was going on on the res that was like hush hush but in the end in the story it felt like jack milton he was probably getting told some things but he wasn't getting told everything because at the very end of the film you could see him coming around like he was like wait a minute but he is who he is and everything because as i mean it was it was it was really making me mad because there was a scene

the Jack Milton and his goons they had like roadblocks on the res and they were stopping everybody and it was like a family with a grandma and they were just throwing all their stuff out. These are guys with guns. Just throwing all their stuff out. I mean it's like other than they were looking for someone.

They were looking for Jimmy looks twice but you don't need to dig through all their stuff. Yeah. I mean he's not hiding in a suitcase. You know, you don't have to all their belongings out on the road. You know, it's ridiculous. I was like, damn, I mean, but I don't

see how people like that can be, oh, we're proud, we're proud natives and this is our land and then you just treat everyone else like they're just, they're nobody's, like they're prisoners on their own land. That's what I didn't like about

this, but what the other traditional, traditional did is other than just keeping a real, they found out what was going on. They knew that the FBI was there for not just a murder. They knew what was going on behind the shadows. They knew what was going on. And when I say that, there's a lot of stuff going on on reservations today. of just like in this one they were they were mining for uranium

that they were telling everyone oh no we're not doing that we're not doing that there's a lot of natural resources all over our country I mean as far as me speaking for uh the what I know on on the resin in Arizona and some natural resources there that the government didn't know was there but then they find out is there and then now they're trying to get it all back but no and then they try to do things and throw things out there for all this place is is dangerous and it's like not safe so you guys with this whole hantavirus bullshit that was going on and there was a lot of people that died from it and they tried to say oh it was some some whatever mouse droppings or something down there that was that's what like it was going on here they were saying the shit was what's shit was going on here

and it was just some shady shit. I mean, they, they were in there trying to, at the very end of the film, Ray LaVoy, because when he finds out, because people start dying because they know. And what John Trudel told,

or Jimmy looks twice told him, he was like, because when Ray LaVoy was talking to him, when they were visiting grandpa, because he told him and goes, he goes, you can't be here. You got to get out of here. And he was like,

He was, why aren't you listening to what the old man is telling you? I know I'm all over the place on the story, but he told him, he was like, look, he was like, this is, this is, this is a power deal. And he told him, he was, look, he goes, there's two ways to live. He goes, there's a way to live with Earth and there's a way not to live with Earth. And he goes, we choose the way of Earth. And I was like, fuck yeah. I mean, a lot of people cheered during that thing because that's how I feel. I mean, Mother Earth is our home.

We need to take care of her. But there's a lot of people that don't think that. I mean, they just just look at what's happening within America. And I'm sure other parts of the world as well. I mean, there's a lot of shit that's going wrong. And with these earthquakes and everything else, man, I mean, she's getting mad. She's tired of what we're doing to her. We're ruining the ozone.

We're ruining this. We're ruining that. We're dumping oil. and in our water supply and people just don't give a shit. I mean, this, to me, a lot of this stuff that goes on on the reds and other parts of the other country,

it's about money. Look at all these gas prices right now. Somebody's getting rich and it ain't us. But, and he also told him he was, because he was telling him, he was like, look,

he was like, Leo fast elk found out what was going on, on the res and they killed him. And then Ray was like, why? And he was telling him because Jimmy goes,

he goes, he goes, sometimes they have to kill us. And he goes, they have to kill us because they can't break our spirit. Basically, he found out what was going on.

So that's why he was killed because they wanted, they wanted to shut him up. And that happens. I mean, there's a lot of things that go on. When things going on, especially on the res,

people disappear. There's a lot of murder. that just go and solve the basic and it's nothing, don't worry about it. They sweep a lot of shit under the rug. Some of you probably don't think so or don't even know about this type of stuff. It's because

this type of stuff that happens on the RIS, they don't show it on the news. They don't put it in newspapers. It's all just like hush, hush type of shit that happens. I mean, that's why I love this movie. It was all too true. As far as

as the government being crooked in this story. Ray Levoy was basically just a pawn in this huge game, in this chess game. Figure they, okay, he's native, he'll get him to talk. No one's going to talk because even Walter Crowhorst,

Graham Graham's character. He's like, look, dude, he goes, yeah, you're FBI, he goes, but nobody's going to talk to you.

You can't, you can't, that'd be like even, even if I went in there and tried to, to find out stuff, no one's going to talk to me. yes I'm native but I'm not from there I mean even if I go to Arizona and try to

dig up something they probably wouldn't talk to me I mean I'm not from there yes that's where my family's from and I'm enrolled in the tribe there but it's it's different I mean living on the res I mean especially down there I mean it's I could say this yeah I'm loud and proud and everything but people are you not from here

what are you talking about don't ask me why happens that way but it does but yeah they weren't going to talk to him I mean especially some guy come a white guy saying he's Indian and then FBI

to top it off yeah and he wasn't even portraying himself that way he was still you know not including that side of him you know and definitely not going to talk to him if he not even

and, you know, believe in him, you know, in his heritage. I mean, what I did like about, about Val Kilmer's character is he knew about it. Didn't claim it. And I kind of got it that he didn't know enough to claim it.

Because there's some guys I know that when they just found out that they're a drop of whatever tribe and they just try to be super native. I'm like, Those are the ones that pissed me off. I'm like, be proud, fine, but don't.

This is how I'm putting it. This is my opinion. Don't try to be more native than me. Or try to convince me that you're this and you're that. If you're whatever, try, fine, cool. Know it, learn it. And be proud. don't try to sell it to me and thinking, oh, I know more than you.

And this, I'm like, I said this. I think I'm doing clear cut. Don't come to me, try to tell me about my tribe and everything when, when you just found out that you were whatever, whatever tribe. Man, up here, man, there's people that have no interest in knowing their background. But once they find out, they can receive benefits for it. A certain percentage, man, just people coming out the woodwork trying to, you know, look up their, look up their background and all kinds of it. It's crazy. That's pretty much every tribe. As far as here where I live at, there's a million people enrolled in this tribe here where I live, where my wife's from. And not one of those motherfuckers live here. I can say that I can be mad about it.

I'm more a part of this, this tribe here. And it's not even, this isn't where my people are from. This is where my wife's, uh, people are from. And she's loud and she's proud about it.

But there's all kinds of people on that. Because when I say that there's crookedness going on and with, um, the tribal councils and everything, that, that happens everywhere. That's not just here where I'm at or where my family's from in Arizona. That's every.

There's always crooked, crooked, crooked tribal politics. There's a lot of it going on. not. So because, um, I can say, I can talk all the shit I want about what's going on here, but I don't have a voice here because they'll go, you're not, you're not enrolled here. You're not a part of this tribe. Who are you? That's why I'm just like, man, fuck it. I just, I look the other way about it. But my wife, she, she can, she has a voice to say stuff. And there's a lot of people that are here that are like, you guys have all these people enrolled here, but,

And they, I think it's for the votes, really. If I was to read a tribal roster of everyone that's enrolled, I guarantee you half of that people, half of those people don't even live here, much less even come here, or even support the, the native community here in the town that I live in. So I'm, again, crooked, crooked politics that's going on here.

That's how Fred War, character, Jack Mountain. Again, he was a tribal chairman on this res and he was crooked. So, but everyone, all the traditionalists were, we're totally against the tribal council and everything and what was going on and what they were trying to do to their res down there. But them sending out Ray Levoie thinking he can talk to people and no one, no one, no one's going to talk to you. But Ted Thinalk, Grandpa Sam, reaches, he was the one. Because when he saw Ray, he looked at him and he knew he was one of the tribal elders and he was really spiritual. And because he had told him because once they start going there, when they were driving, when they got to the res and they were just driving through, if you guys have seen the film and you know, when they're driving through the res and everything, think because it also says in the synopsis here on IMDB that it's a poverty stricken reservation

not every res is like that but there is a lot in this country that are that um uh the tribal housing isn't the isn't the greatest um uh and and it's just it's just how how they live i mean they live with what they have and because even because when uh valcan humor's character was looking around. He was like, what? Where the hell did they send us? And he's like, what is this? Because then Frank Coutel, Sam Shepard,

came, oh, these are your people, man. And Ray LaVore was like, these are not my people. But at that point, he didn't really know who he was or anything. He just figured he was an agent trying to solve a murder mystery out on the res.

So, but yeah, res laws are different everywhere. But I think once murder and all that gets involved, I think that's when the FBI and all of them can come on and try to investigate what was going on. Because here and the res that I live in, the sheriff's department can come up here, but the local town police can't. This isn't their jurisdiction. So, but like in Arizona where my parents are from, that, that res is so big,

they have their own tribal police force as well as, the one in Reno. They have their own tribal police because there's RIS is all over the place. So they have to deal with a lot. But since we're so small here, small here,

that's why the Sheriff's Department has a jurisdiction on the RES. But, yeah, I guess it must have been a small police force in this film because Graham Green was like the only police officer contained.

The best character in the movie. Yeah, they didn't show anybody else in this. But that guy, that guy's investigating murders. He's doing traffic stops. He's doing everything. Yeah, he was. And I love that scene when he pulled him over. And he was like, how was I speeding?

He was like, I don't need a radar. I listen to the win. 59, nail him. I was like, best character. But, uh, well, uh, when they go find Jimmy, this is kind of in the beginning, John Trudell's character, they're during,

it's during a sweat lodge ceremony. And then basically the FBI rolls up along, well, I guess there was tribal police because I remember them showing some. They were in uniforms. They showed up and they pulled everyone out of it. And then that's when, um,

uh, old grandpa saw Ray LaVoy and just like looked at him. Like he knew, like he he knew him but he kind of just didn't really say anything but they took jimmy and told him they were going to arrest him i don't know why they took him to his house but all right because when they uh because if they were searching for him and he was the the murder suspect i don't know why they took him home but all right because he he says uh because he said don't kick in my door you guys were already here last week yeah why are you there again yeah i mean like if you

you're looking for him, he's your number one murder suspect, because that's who they, that's who they went there for. Let's go. We're just going to take you home to your house. Well, we want to get the coffee can scene. Yeah, or that, the awesome escape scene. Yeah. When he gets there and they're about to bust into his house, he goes, there's a, there's a

house key, there's a house key in a coffee can under, under the porch and there's a hole. So, uh, Coutel starts digging in there, and then some badger comes out and bites him in the hand. And then Jimmy kind of pushes him away and he goes running. But I love this thing because he's got his hands behind it, handcuffed behind his back. He runs, steps up onto an old beat-up car that's there and jumps and brings, he brings his knees up,

but brings his hands under his legs and everything. Was that, was that actually him doing it? I don't think so. It hurts me just looking at it. I couldn't imagine my arms doing that. Some people could do that, man. I see videos of those guys that can do all those contortionists and everything.

But I don't know, whoever that guy was, that was an awesome stunt. Because then he runs and he gets into his little, there's a little trailer and he's got a shotgun. So they, he starts blasting back at the cops and everyone just goes and shoots up, this little old beat up trailer that he was in. Yeah, apparently they wasn't trying to arrest him at that point. Oh, no. Shots they pumped off. Yeah, he didn't even have he didn't have no weapons.

They just, as soon as he started running, everyone that had a gun started firing. So he, they kind of corner him into this little old trailer, but then when they run over there, they just basically fill it up with holes. They run over to it and then he's gone. They're like, fuck, man, where is he? But Ray is kind of looking around. Here's a noise. So he spins around and he sees a deer runoff.

So he doesn't like shit. He doesn't know what's going on. So they basically are all right, well, we got, he's our number one suspect. He's on the run. We got to find them. So when they start asking around on what's going on. But this is when the FBI as well as the tribal goons start just going through everyone's house. They were knocking over outhouses, just ransacking everyone's house looking for Jimmy.

They go to a local school. This is the part I didn't get. You can go into school and just look, looking in the closets, looking in wherever. But these guys come running in, not the FBI, but the goons. And they just start flipping over little desks in the school.

I'm like, really? But I don't know. Crooked tribal. Tribal politics. But they don't find anything there. But this is when we were introduced to Maggie Eagle Bear. And she's basically telling me what the,

fuck you guys doing this is a school so they're like ah i don't really know but they do um kutel tells uh ray levoi he's like look there's a lot of agitators out there and that's when he tells him about maggie eagle bear and he tells him about um uh richard yellow hawk so uh because ray goes out to uh maggie eagle bear's house and this is when uh because they're saying that um no no no i'm sorry, Walter Crow Horse, Graham Green's character, he starts talking to them because they go to the site

where they found Leo Fastelves body out in the res. Because when they go there and they look for him and the body's still laying there face down in the dirt. But Frank tells Ray, he goes, yeah,

this is where they don't, this is where we found him, he and he's dead. They also see a circle in the in the ground with an eagle feather in it and he goes oh that's the sign of arm the aboriginal rights movement basically supposed to be aim the american indian movement but couldn't call it that because they probably have to pay him if they did but they called him arm so they're still kind of investigating the scene this is when walter crow horse shows up and he kind of goes down there and he he was going to take leo's body but then that's when

they spring into action and throw him on the ground and they found out he is a tribal cop. So he's telling him, but this part was awesome, though, because Walter, Graham Green goes, oh, this is your Indian official, yeah? And he goes, yeah, this is Ray, a little weasel. And then he kind of just like, all right, man, whatever. And he tells me, goes, you know what? He goes, this is a murder scene. this is a FBI, this is a government case, so you need to get lost.

And they go, yeah, we heard you guys are coming. Yeah, the Federal Bureau of Intimidation, is how he called them. Yeah. It was like the investigation of a murder on an Indian reservation by the Federal Bureau of Intimidation. And so they're like, well, this is a murdering. get lost. And he says something. Walter says something to Ray

in Lakota. I don't speak that language, so I don't know what he said. But he goes, what? And he goes, yeah. Yeah, right. But because when he got there, he told him, he goes, look, Leo's body's been out here

too long. We got to take him to ceremony so he can make the journey. And he looks, when he says that he looks at Ray, and the Ray's like, oh, yeah, Yeah, the journey. I was like, what the fuck, man? I was like, okay, whatever. But yeah, because Walter was just fucking with them through the whole movie, all of them.

I mean, but you can do that way. I guess when you're tribal police. So they told them to get lost. But the FBI took the body. I guess they sent it to like Rapid City or something like that to do autopsy and all that and everything. So they find out more. this is then they show the whole scene when they're tearing up uh uh la rez looking for jimmy uh they go to maggie eagle bear's house because uh they're saying that um uh just i guess i think they're just trying to find um more just

people talking but when they go there they see he uh ray see is an old lady but then she kind of goes walking off but maggie eagle bear and her crew comes showing up and uh richard yellow hawk is with him. He's a big guy that's in a wheelchair. I like when they roll up on him. And he goes, well, well, I need the Washington Redskin. That was awesome. And then she goes running the check on her ground and goes, she's all right. She's just startled. And then she goes, he goes, well, because he told her, look,

he was like, I have a feeling that there was a murder on your, on your property here. So, she's like, she goes, no one's, she said the same thing. Like, no one's going to talk to you and he goes my grandma's scared of uh was he chees that means white people and she goes he ain't going to talk to you and then she's like all right man he's just like all right man he's just like all right whatever because um she tells him because he's like yeah he goes well i just need to talk to her and ask her some questions she's like no she won't talk to you and no one's going to talk to you and then she goes but then she goes oh she goes because she starts talking to him she goes oh you're the the the the the indian

the FBI they sent and he goes yeah and he goes well what nation are you and he went um the united states and she just kind of like whatever she was she was like well grandma can talk to you because she's real traditional but she goes but then you're indian and he goes he goes that's correct and that's when she asked him well what nation and he didn't he didn't know so she was like whatever i liked uh richard yellow hawk he's sitting there in his wheelchair just like shaking his head laughing Like the fuck is this guy Tell me So she's like

He goes like all right well She goes You know what you need you need to get lost And she because He tried to throw in some knowledge on her Because he there was a rap sheet and everything on her That he knew FBI file

So he was telling her Well you're this and you're that And you went to school Here and here and there And you were married And you were raped and just brought up her whole whole her whole history. And she was like,

she goes, she goes, I know, I know your way. I know your laws and I know your way. And he goes, but without a warrant, you can't, you can't ask my grandmother nothing.

So hit the road chief. And you know, that basically just to get the fuck out of here. When you're telling you anything. So he's like, oh, fuck. So he takes off.

There was more stuff going on. With Frank Kutel. Basically, the whole FBI force was there and they took over this little seedy little roadside motel um

Ray's still trying to figure out what's going on and he's telling Frank that yeah I spoke to Maggie Eagle Bear and Frank's like eh that's that's nothing you know you're not can get anywhere with her because when Ray is there to try to solve this case but Frank is like just nah giving him the run around

yeah that's nothing that's nothing don't worry about that so Ray's kind of like well shit I don't have a case if you guys with everything I'm finding you guys are telling me no and so when they're sitting there somebody comes and shoots at the bar that they're all sitting in and everybody goes running out and dropping some extreme racism yeah the comments I was like whoa I don't I don't even think I even remember that in a movie but hearing it now it was like wow Um, I'm trying to remember who that guy was.

He's a musician. Oh, with the mustache. Yeah. Yeah. He's one of the Crosby Stills and Nash guys. He is David Crosby. Yeah. Like, this is the role you took in the movie?

He was the bartender, I guess. When they all go running out and we see this car, ah, driving away. And they're shooting at it. And it's a derogatory term. This is what he said. It's like, when they look at it and goes,

God damn, Prairie inward. That's the first time. I had heard that in this movie, and I never heard it in any other movies until some fucking motherfucker said it to me, to my face,

but ran off. Oh, you fucking, you know, there's a white guy, too, fucking cock sucker. I was pissed.

It made me laugh because I'm like, that does motherfucker just say that to me? But then it hit me and I was like, man, fuck that. And I ran after him. I'm not, I can't run no more. I need a shot. I'm all fat. But I was about I got a hold of him out. I fuck that dude up.

But anyway, it's another story. But yeah, he, he's David Crosby said that. I was like, damn. Yeah, I mean, I'm not that big of a fan of Crosby stills in Nash, but yeah, this is the role you're going to take. But he, he, He looked like it.

Was there no other roles or something? Or maybe he was a friend of whoever that was making this movie. I mean, nothing against him. He just did his partner in the role in this film. Oh, no. Kind of, kind of said it like he said before. I don't know. So they go walking back to their hotel room.

I guess someone doesn't want us here. And they paint. the arm symbol. It was like a circle with a feather in it with red paint. I don't know who did that. I mean, obviously it was someone that did it perfect for the film, but if there was somebody that did it hell of fast, it would not look that good. But anyway,

so. They told him, but Ray starts going to just trying to do his investigation. This is when he gets pulled over by Walter Crowe. and he tells him, yeah, he pulls up because he pulls him over out on the race on the highway. And he's like, whatever. And he goes, and he's like, all right, man, I want to see the radar.

And he goes, I don't need no radar. You just listen to the wind. And he was like, what? He would, 59. Nail him. Because it was a 55 speed zone. And he's like, man, whatever. And he goes, whoa.

And he goes, look, he goes, I was sent here to, find you and um you got to come see the uh one of the elders so he goes i don't know why but he wants to see you so that's when ray goes out and this is when we're um this is the second time we see uh grandpa sam uh older gentleman uh he's just speaking the Lakota language and walter crow horse is there to be the translator so he's telling him they're like yeah and he goes well come in here and um they're sitting there and he starts talking and he starts talking And he was watching Mr. Magoo. And he's telling him, he goes, look, um, he basically told him, he said, look, man,

he goes, Mr. Magoo, he goes, he's, he's like a trickster. He's not to be trusted. And then they're like, all right, whatever. So Ray's like, all right. And he goes, well, he was the reason he wants you here is because he, he has seen you. He has seen you before. Like in a vision, he saw that he knew you were coming. So that's why he wanted him to come.

And they pulled out, um, uh, uh, the pipe, tobacco pipe, so they were going to smoke because then he goes, you got to sit here and we're going to smoke the pipe. And he goes, and with the, with the smoke,

and he goes, there's going to be no, no lies between us. So it's just going to be open conversation. Different traditions throughout the country here in America, with the native traditions. So he was telling him, because he was like,

he wasn't, Ray wasn't even buying it at first, but then when, grandpa was speaking and he was telling us look he goes he was a he was a he was a he was the vision he saw he goes we we see this old native man and we see these uh little white kids being mean to him he goes but there's one that wasn't mean to him he was just staring at him and ray's just looking at him like that this is how i took it that he that was ray looking at the old indian guy why his friends were being mean uh saying shit to him

And he was just sitting there listening like, what the fuck? And then he was like, all right. But then after that, after that they left. And then Ray was talking to Walter was talking to Ray telling me like, look. And he goes, this is what's going on here. And he goes, if you're not going to listen to what old man's saying, he goes, and I don't, I don't know what to tell you. Because at this point, Walter still didn't know why the old grandpa wanted to talk to him,

or much less see him. So he was like, I don't know. He goes, but I'm telling you right now. Same thing everyone's been saying and no one's going to talk to you. So,

but, well, grandpa here, he knows something, but Walter didn't know. So he starts doing more investigation. And this is when he, he starts talking to Maggie Eaglebear again.

And she's telling him that there's stuff going on here, going on, especially it's dealing with the water. she goes there's stillborn Caspian born the kids that are drinking the water are getting sick and she's just

trying to figure it out because she was going to take samples down to the university and get them all tested and everything but he's still trying to put piece things together and Frank Coutel is right there telling him now it's nothing don't worry about it we're looking for Jimmy and we find him and that'll be the end of the case

so as Ray's going through Throughout the whole film, as he's going on, he's meeting all these people and everybody, but he's slowly starting to, he was having visions because he would look around. He would see things. And he was like he saw some ghost dancers on the other side of the river, but he just figured it was, since it was hot out there, I figured it was a hallucination. So, but he was keeping all that to himself. He never really told anybody what was going on. But when he went back to Maggie Eagle Bear's house, this is really quick me back a little. When they went to go see the old grandpa, when they were walking in,

Walter turns to Ray and goes, hey, did you bring any tobacco? And he's like, what? See Maggie Eagle back to Maggie Eagle Bear's place to see and to talk to her grandma. He comes with all kinds of gifts. Food,

fucking like three or four carts and lucky strikes. and everything. He comes knocking on the door. And then she opens, Maggie opens the door. She goes, you gotta be kidding me. And then she goes,

well, all right. Grandpa Sam says, you come from a strong blood. So you can come on in and grandma, we'll talk to you. So he went in there

and started interviewing her and asking her, and he had asked her, what did, what did she know? And she goes, she heard gunshots, but she didn't know

what it was. and it was basically she heard the gunshots that killed Leo Fasdell at the beginning of the film because when he got shot he fell into into the river and the river was basically right at in the front yard of grandma's house so she was telling him that and um why they were sitting or talking um she made something for him it was like a little medicine will she gave it to him she can hear this this is yours but um When they were sitting there talking, you see these trucks just come running up or just start gunning. Basically a drive-by, just gunning up.

This is what I didn't get. When they were shooting up the house, it was all of Jack Milton's goons. All those Yahoo's that were, this is when my friend was like, there's all those fucking half-breeds in the trucks that came and shot up the place. And I was like, all right, I understand who you guys are. and I understand who Maggie and is and everything and you just go up and shoot up houses when during broad daylight and everyone sees you do it.

So I was like, yeah, these are the same guys that are in the school flipping desk overlooking. Yeah. For somebody. So. And I'm pretty damn sure that's not legal. Yeah.

So, but during the, the shootout, one of Maggie Eagle Bears little kids takes one of the arm. I don't know who that little guy was, man, but he was a good actor because when they put a little exploding pack in his arm. It looked real. Yeah, it did. Because when he gets shot and he falls down and he's laying in screaming, ah, I was like,

me. I was like, damn, they shot a kid for this movie. I was like, this is too real. Yeah, I mean, that little kid was just an awesome actor or what? So he jumps up Then he grabs a kid Kind of wrap something around his arm To stop the blood

And then he Maggie grabs her son They take off I had a problem with bowel Because if you go back and watch He picks the kid up By the arm He gets shot

I was like Oh come on man I'm sure this little kid Would have been crying all the way But when they get to the little clinic And he goes running into That kid isn't crying at all He's like just looking around

I'm like, hey, what's going on? So they run in there. And the little tribal, we have a whole clinic here where I'm at, and it's pretty big. But here and this one, it just seemed like it was one room or two rooms. That doctor wasn't shit. Hell no, he wasn't. They come running in. He goes, we got a kid that shot.

And he goes, we need a table. I don't got one. He goes, this is the only thing we got. So he goes and clears off a desk, puts that kid down. and then he comes, come on, get over here. And he walks over, all right, what's going on? What happened? Yeah, I was like, damn.

So the doctor's dealing with the, I think his little kid's name was Homer, dealing with him. And then Ray looks out the window and he sees the trucks that did the drive-by. So he goes walking out there and fucking just pissed with fucking blood all over his shirt. his white shirt. He walks up, there's some, those dudes in the trucks

who are sitting there drinking beer. One's, one's sitting in the back up on the side of the bed. He grabs that dude and just pulls him off and that truck was high.

He falls straight to his back and they just starts beating his shit out of the other dudes in the truck. And then this is when Frank comes pulling up and then grabs him. And then what the fuck? And then Frank,

Jack Milton was with Frank because he jumps out, runs over to his guys. And he tells Frank, goes, hey, man, you need to put your boy on a leash. And Ray just on your son, you're your boys are the ones that need the fucking leash. He started yelling. And Frank's like, dude, what are you doing? He goes, I told you not to go over to Maggie Eagle Bears. Why did you go over there? Did you get horny?

And he goes, again, Frank was trying to tell him. Like, don't, that's nothing. Don't worry about them. And he always, every time Ray would find something, he would, that's nothing. it's nothing but then he goes I told you not to go back out there and then he's like ah so he's like man because even ray goes like what are we doing here and he goes we're looking for a murderer we're here for an investment murder investigation on the red that's why we're here and ray is like man fuck it all right let's let's let's find this guy and get the fuck out of here

because he at this point he's just pissed because he just doesn't know what he's started at this at this point he's starting to believe I don't know what to believe anymore because there's so much going on and he doesn't really he doesn't understand what's happening is is he doing right or is he doing wrong with everyone else so but there's a more more of them looking around Walter and Ray still trying to get it and Walter is basically telling Ray like look you you need to listen to all man and you need to uh listen to what's going on here on what's happening

out here. You need to look beyond what they're telling you and you'll find out what's going on. Did we pass the scene where he's looking at the footprints and he's basically telling Ray who they're looking for

and giving them all like the information. Yeah. Oh shit. I missed that part. Yeah. I love that scene. Especially when he basically reads Ray did everything down to his shoes. He was like, yeah, they're a little tight on the end step. And man, do they make me look cool?

He goes, you're one of those coffee kelp drinking characters. Yeah, because he told him, he was like, look, because when he went to, oh, to the riverbank, and he told him, he goes, look, and he goes, the guy you guys are searching for isn't the one who murdered Leo. And he goes, because he goes, I came here. and the guy that did murder them came back and cleaned up his tracks but he left one and that's when they found there was a footprint and he told him and he goes a guy he goes the guy you're looking for

he goes he's a big son of a buck because I guess the way the imprint was on the footprint he goes man he goes this isn't Jimmy's this isn't Leo's footprint and he goes because he had He said he had a really serious Indian walk. That is hard to explain because there is an Indian walk. Me trying to describe it won't work.

But anyway. And he goes, the guy you're looking for is walking heel-toe because with a heel, it was a lot deeper than everything. And he told him, he said, yeah, he goes, well, Leo wasn't killed where his body's at. He was dumped there. goes he was shot here and then he was driven over there and he was like he was driven in his own car

because they found the tire tracks as well and yeah at that point in the film Ray was still like he didn't want nothing to do with Walter so um oh

they were still or Frank told Ray, you need to go out and just, he goes, that old man knows something. So just go out there and just watch him. So Ray, there's a scene where Ray's out there watching him and doesn't really know

what's going on. So he's just sitting there. And then Walter comes up, picks up the old man and takes him to a powwow. And Ray goes with him. And when he's talking to Walter, he's like, what's this? He goes, oh, it's powwow. Everyone's just dancing and singing.

So he's just kind of looking around. And he starts telling him, he's like, look, man, he goes, there's more going on here than what they're telling you. So just listen to old man and all that. But Ray is still like, fuck, I don't know who to listen to. I don't know who to believe. And everything. So. But Walter tells Ray is like, look, man, because you need to come to the old man's house tonight.

He said there's going to be some ceremony. You need to come over. you need to hear it. So that's when Ray goes over there at night. And there's old grandpa and some other elders and they're around the fire and they're throwing in a cedar and whatever else in the fire. And he starts telling him a story on what's going on. And then while grandpa's telling the story,

Ray, he's starting to see stuff. he has like a flashback of him as a little kid sitting on his father's lap and his dad is a white guy and he's throwing just looking at the fire but he looks like he's all drunk because his mom comes running up Ray Ray come over here just give me give me him and he's like don't don't listen to your father he's drunk so Ray's just kind of like having this this flashback vision type of thing while the guys are around the fire singing but old man is telling him about what's what's to come and what's what his visions are and what he's seen but ray's just like not not having it and then Ray kind of just it's like so much is going on

and he's and he's starting to feel it he jumps up and just kind of walks away but then Walter goes after him he's like look look man he goes don't don't fight it just just go with it don't don't be scared. And Ray's like, he can't believe what, what he saw and what's going on because he was starting to feel it. He looks like he was about to walk off a cliff.

But Walter, Walter grabbed him. Whoa, whoa, where are you going? And then Ray's just like, and he goes, look, man,

he goes, don't fight it. He goes, he goes, I know you're scared. He goes, I'm scared too, but don't,

don't fight it. Because he knew, Walter knew what Ray, Ray saw something. when he was Tapping. Just on how his demeanor was and how he was

when they were sitting around the fire. But Ray gets all, man, like get the fuck away and he pulls out of his gun and then the old man starts talking.

Knock it off. Knock it off. They're acting like two old women. And Ray's like, he speaks English. And he goes, yeah. And he goes,

only when he's pissed off. And he goes, hey, come inside and watch TV. So they kind of all right, whatever. So at this point, Ray's starting to like, all right, I'm, he's feeling that native side.

That's how I took it. So, but he goes out back to Maggie Eagle Bears. This is when she's taking samples of the water that she was going to take. And he's telling her and he goes, she goes,

he does. He goes, I remember my father. And then And she, because he goes, he called me, um, washy. And she like looked at him. Like, okay, whatever. And he's like, um, he goes, he goes, my dad drink himself to death. He goes, he was, he was crazy.

He built skyscrapers without a harness and everything. And then she's like, well, she goes, well, that's who you are and everything. And he's like, all right. And because when they, oh, earlier, uh, they found, um, the car that they were looking for because when, when Walter told Ray that Jimmy or Leo was killed in the river in the river and his car disappeared. Walter found it. And it was like in the river,

like somebody drove it into the river, but it must have been low tide or something because the top of the car was sticking out. And when they were digging in the car, when they pulled it out of the water, they opened up the trunk and they pulled out like a jean jacket and Ray was digging in it and he found a little ticket for a raffle. So he kind of just took that stuck in his pocket and said, there's nothing. So that's when he went back out to Maggie Eagle Bears and said, look, I did some research and it goes, this ticket was a raffle at a benefit for concert you guys had. And he goes, like, this is the only evidence we have right now to get a solid case.

And he goes, if you can tell me who bought this ticket. And he goes, we'll find out who, who murdered Leo. And she's kind of like, she wants to help him, but she doesn't want to help him. But because she's kind of like, luck, man, I don't have time to help you. I'm trying to, I got, I'm fighting something else. And I don't have time to help you with your murder investigation. So, but she ends up taking the ticket. And, uh, um, um,

Oh, um, that she takes her samples and then she takes off. And then Ray and Walter are still dealing with it. When, um, grandpa tells, oh, no, no, no, well, Ray goes back out to grandpa's house. And, um, well, he's sitting there watching Grandpa at night. Somebody shoots at him at Ray in his truck. and he jumps out of it and then he doesn't really know what's going on and then next scene morning time come

all the FBI there and they're like scouring the area trying to look for um any kind of evidence so they're like whoa he goes like fuck I don't know they don't know what's going on but Frank's talking to Ray Ray's walking around looking but the old man is standing there

and he kind of nudges over to Ray come over and he walks over with what and uh grandpa's like a little um because earlier in the film he uh he hustled ray out of his ray bands for a rock so when he's standing there uh he wanted ray's watch earlier in the film and he keeps grandpa's tap in his wrist and he's like no i'm not giving you my watch because he got it from his grandpa so he pulls out a pin and gives it to to grandpa and then grandpa's he's holding something and he opens his hand and hands him a shell casing and he looks at it and he goes

well she's this is like federal issue and he kind of just sticks in his pocket and Frank walks over what do you want just just some money yeah going back to the watch I like how he tried to say his grandma gave it to him it's a family heirloom and then Walter's telling grandpa

it's a Rolex so Frank is out there telling him I mean let's let's go for a ride and that's when Ray like what are we? we doing here? What's happening?

And then they told him, we're just trying to investigate something. I know we're looking for Jimmy. So Ray goes to what, because he, Ray figured out something was happening. He goes to the room where Frank is, where he had all his, his file cases. And that's when he started digging around and stuff. And he found a, uh, a rap sheet on, um, Richard Yellowhawk and he looked at it and there was parole, he said it was paroled and everything and it was like filed.

When he flipped it over to look at it, it said, do not file. Because it was all classified stuff. So he kind of, he was, all right. When Val went back to his room, he got an envelope and he opened it and he realized it was evidence that he needed that Maggie got found out who that ticket was from. but when he's looking in his room, he hears something. Earlier in the film, when Grandpa had,

he knew that Leo was going to die. Because when Walter was telling me, look, he goes, oh man said he saw owl. And Ray's like, so? And he goes, owl was a messenger. He goes,

it means if you see one, someone's going to die. And he goes, that's how he found out Leo was going to die. So when, Ray's in the bathroom Or in the motel room He hears something

He goes over to the bathroom Pulls out his gun And he hears something He opens up the curtain to the shower And there's an owl Sitting in the window sill And then it just kind of flew off So Ray's like wow what the fuck

So He goes over back to old man's house And when he goes in Jimmy's sitting there Jimmy looks twice And he's like Feel about that place Can I get a straight answer around here?

It's a power deal. Fastalk found out, so they killed him. Well, they're going to kill you if you stay here now. Come on, let's go. Well, sometimes they have to kill us. They have to kill us. Because they can't break our spirit. Look, I don't have to do this.

You don't have any choice. I'm trying to help you people. Now, why won't you accept that? It's in our DNA. You have to do what old man says. What makes you such a threat? We choose the right to be who we are. We know the difference between the reality of freedom and the illusion of freedom.

There's a way to live with Earth and a way not to live with Earth. We choose the way of Earth. It's about power. What are you doing here? You got to get out of here. If they find you, they're going to kill you. And then that's when Jimmy comes out and goes, like he goes, he goes, then that, that's and that that's how it's going to be.

He goes, like, yeah, he goes, sometimes they have to kill us. And he goes, they have to kill us because they can't break our spirit. And that's when he tells us, he goes, there's two ways to live with Earth. Live with those are the people of the reality of freedom or the people that, uh, that just live with what's going on in the world. But he basically told him, he was looking with him, he was willing to die for, for the cause, for what was going to. what was going on to get the truth out there,

what's happening on the res. So they were getting ready to smoke the pipe. And Ray was about to sit down with him and go along. But this is when the FBI comes charging in. And he pulls out his gun and they got Jimmy. So they're like, all right, well, we got him. He's arrested. So they take him into custody.

But Ray's still like, like, fuck, man. He knows something's going on. there that Frank's not he's not telling while he's out and about Ray he kind of stopped somewhere and he falls

asleep he goes to the the wounded knee memorial or no he's sitting in his car and during the day and he fells asleep but when in his in his dream he's at the wounded knee memorial he goes he's walking over and he's looking

at the site and then he hears something and he turns around and it's an old army soldier come running over the hill on a horse and he's pointing his gun Ray reaches down for his gun but it's not there so he just turns around and starts running as he's running along

there's some native women running with their holding babies and holding hands with their little girls while the soldier is coming and then the soldier rides up on him and then shoots but then he when the gunshot he wakes up And he's like, fuck, what the hell was that?

And that's when he goes to the wounded Nymour Maril and sees what's going on. He kind of digs or he sees the monument and he moves it and he sees Thunderheart. Or after, well, that was after when they caught Jimmy because when they were at the house, when they arrested Jimmy, grandpa came out and told him a story he's like look he goes he goes um there was a he goes

the blood that's pumping through your hearts it comes from from the fuck I can't remember how the story went but basically told him who he was told him told him the story about Thunderheart he was a hero

to the to the Lakota people that are the suit people and he told him Lakota C, sorry he told him and he goes like yeah he goes

he goes back he said Grandpa told him he was like I was one year old when a wounded knee happened when the soldiers came he said it killed 300 people

but he survived he was just a baby but when you pass on your stories and everything so he knew he told him because yeah there was a there was a warrior called thunderheart and he goes and the blood of him is

running through through you and he goes he died the thunder heart died running for the stronghold and he goes and he's telling him he goes that's the blood that's running through your heart so he told him he goes run for the stronghold he goes the soldiers are coming so that's when ray's like so much is happening that what's going on it's finally starting to fall in the place that's when he has the vision of him running with the old ones. So when Walter is with Ray, they go driving out onto the Rez, and then Ray's telling him what he saw and what he had, the vision that he had.

And then Walter's looking at him and he goes, because you were running with the old ones at the knee. And he's like, yeah, but I don't know what that means. and Walter goes, man, he goes, you had a vision. I like how irritated he is. Yeah, he was like, he goes, some people go their whole lives and don't, uh, don't have a vision. And he was basically talking about himself. And he goes, and he goes, but, but you have one.

You go, along comes this instant Indian. And he goes, an FBI for an FBI agent to boot. And Ray's like, well, fuck, what do you want me to do about it? So as they're riding along, he goes, all right, because they need to go to red deer table. That's what Grandpa told him to go. So when they finally get there, they stop. It is all at night. They walk up and they're looking around.

And they find some holes in the ground. And then this is when Walter tells them they were digging for uranium. They were mining test sites for uranium because when they dig in one, there's all this sludge in there. He goes, oh, it's sealant. And he tells them that they're digging for uranium. So he's like, fuck. And so Walter realized that this is what's going on. And Ray is starting to put two and two together.

They hear some noises and it's just some coyotes off in the distance. So they walk over there to see because they're around something. And when they walk over, they see a body lane in a ditch. So they walk over. And then when they flip it over, it's Maggie Eagle Bear. So he's like, he's like, fuck. Both of them are. So it's like all these people that are finding out what's going on are ending up dead.

So, oh, this is when the scene when Ray goes and finds Richard Yellowhawk, the guy that's in a wheelchair. He goes up to him and tells him like, hey, he asks him, well, how long have you been in that wheelchair? And he goes, since two Cichu's put a metal pipe across his knees. and he goes, oh, that wasn't a Leavenworth. And he's like, yeah. So he's talking to him. And he goes, all right. Well, and he goes, look. He goes, he was telling

him, he goes, look, he goes, I know what's going on. And he basically told him, he goes, I know you're the one that's a part of this. You're helping out and what's going on. And then Richard Yellowhawk is like, look, man, he goes, they told me that if I helped him, I wouldn't see

any of you guys again. See any of you FBI agents again. It goes, but look, now you're in my house. And Ray's like, all right, man. He goes, I know you can walk, so get up out of that seat. It did not take much for him to start talking. No, man. Well, he was scared.

Yeah. Because everyone else is just people that know or dying. So he was, he didn't know. He didn't know who to trust. But he was he was telling him, because when he's telling him was, look, man, he goes, I did what you guys told me to do. He goes, if I didn't do what I was, what you guys wanted me to do was back to the pin. and if I don't keep my mouth shut it's back to the pen

and he goes like so he goes well who did you talk to and he goes well he was suits and he was like well do you remember who he was like no and because he tell him he goes oh he goes ask Frank he goes Frank and he goes Frank he was there he goes yeah Frank's the one to set it up

and because he was like oh man because he was telling me he was like look man because before he had told me before he ran it out Frank he was like look man because I did what you guys told me because I killed him He goes, I killed Leo Fasdell, and he goes with your fucking hardware. And they're showing all this while he's telling, while Leo is telling Ray what's going on.

We see Richard Yellowhawk driving in Leo's car hanging out of the side with, I don't know, what kind of rifle that was. And he's the one that killed Leo FAST up, basically, because the FBI told him, look, man, we'll let you out of jail if you do something for us. And that's what he was supposed to do. He goes, they wanted him to kill Leo Fastelke. Rile everybody up on the res, the traditionalists as well as the goons and everybody. Get them everybody up in arms. And that was basically just the murder case was just to get everyone to keep their minds occupied on people being murdered and not on what was really going on with them trying to dig up uranium and all that on the res. so that's why all those guys were ending up dead

and they're basically telling him look people that are finding out about all this are ending up dead that's why Leo was dead and that's why Maggie was killed so but when Richard was yelling at he goes look man he goes you're not FBI he goes I want to speak to Frank and then that's when Ray like just

shoves his gun in his face and he goes all right all right so he takes off and that's when he goes back to Walter and he tells them what's going on. And I think that's when they found Maggie after all this. I know I'm jumping all over the place. But they, when Walter finds out and then they go, we have to go get Richard Yellowhawk because he sees our only witness at this point

that knows everything. So they go back to his house. When they open up the door, Leo, Richard's sitting in his wheelchair and I guess they slit his throat. So he's dead. So they're like, fuck. But they tried to make it. them to believe

that and it was armed because when they go in there there's blood on the ground and it's a circle with a feather in it and they wrote arm on there so they're like fuck well he's dead there's probably much our number one

our witness so they're going outside and here come all the trucks the goons and everything so they go walking out and they're like fuck and then they just pull out their guns just start shooting

and have a big shoot out and they jump in their car our haul ass all over the res and they were heading for the stronghold because that's where grandpa told him to go so while they're racing there franks uh on on the c be like come on man what are you doing and then this is when ray plays uh the recording of him talking to richard yellow hawk saying that it was frank you tell that had him kill him and uh what's his name jack milton fred ward's character is riding along with frank and he's like just looking at him he listening to all this that's being broadcast on the

radio and he's looking at him sideways like yeah it gives him that classic fred ward the fuck is going on look yeah i mean this is this is where i kind of put two and two together like jack milton the the the tribal chairman he was going along with what the fbi was telling him but he didn't realize that they were he didn't know that they were doing all this uranium digging on the Rez. They were probably telling him one thing, basically telling him, yeah, we're just here to search for a murderer and we need your help.

But when he was playing that tape, Jack was looking at him. Side was like, you motherfucker, man, you're telling me one thing. And this guy's saying this now. And there was proof, too. Because earlier in the film, when Ray went to talk to Maggie Eagle Bear, and then he was talking to Frank, he goes, well, give me the tape. And he goes, what? And he goes, Always get tape.

when you talk to someone. So that's why he recorded Richard Yellowhawks. So they're hauling ass down the, down the Riz still. I mean, good driver. I don't know if you guys have driven on a dirt road. But if you're going top speed and you're going to start the fish tail on that loose gravel. So they go hauling ass and then they just kind of crash in a little ditch and then they go running towards a stronghold. And then when they get there, it's like too late.

They weren't going to make it. All those fucking Frank and all the gang and the goons and tribal police and everybody show up. And they're like, oh, they're like, fuck. But then Frank walks over to him. And he's like, what are you doing? And he goes, and he's like, that's when Ray, like, telling him was, look. And he goes, people know. And he goes, and everyone that finds out, you kill him.

And that's what he telling him. And he goes, he was, yeah, he started yelling. He goes, you know what they're doing on your land? and he goes, they're up there digging for uranium. And he goes, this isn't, he goes, this wasn't a murder case. And he goes, this was like a land deal. Because then Ray's yelling, he's starting to yell. And he goes, they're going to destroy your land.

And nobody's going to have anything anymore. And then he, that's when he told him. He goes, people know. And he goes, and you're going to kill everyone that knows the truth. And then Frank's kind of like, ah, fuck. But Jack Milton and those guys, when Jack Milton yelled out to Ray, when Ray is telling him what was,

what was up, what was going on, what was really going on in this case. Red Jack's like, he's lying. And he's like, no, he's like,

go up there for your own self to Red Deer Table and see what's going on. And then Frank's like, fuck. And Walter and Ray are like, Ray's like, man, fuck it.

And he goes, look, you can't kill all of us. So Ray, Ray kind of turns around and starts walking. And then, And they're getting ready to shoot all the FBI guys and the tribal police and the goons. Everyone's got rifles pointing at Ray and Frank.

And then all of a sudden they hear something and they look up onto the mountains. And it's all the traditionalists, all the people that were down for the cause. Even old grandma was up there with a rifle standing on the rocks. And they were all pointing their guns at everyone. I don't know the laws, but I'm pretty sure pointing a gun. at the FBI is a no-no. But there were so many of them up there. If they were to shot Ray and Walter,

they would have just basically gunned down all those guys and everything. But Ray just told him, like, look, he goes, we know. So that's it. Basically, Ray got fired and everything. I'm surprised they, I would have liked to know more of the story. because that's where it ended. Ray's fired, and he tells Walter, like, hey, I'm out of here. I got to go deal with what I'm going to deal with in Washington.

But Walter's telling him, look, man, he goes, if you ever need to clear your head and listen to the wind, he goes, you always got a place here. You got a home here, so come back. And then Ray is like, all right, man, they kind of shake hands. And Grandpa's there. He walks over to him. And then Ray just takes his wristwatch.

off and hands it to grandpa and grabs it just puts it in his pocket and gives them the all right that's that's it and then it kind of looks away ray walks back to the car he looks in his car and there's the the pipe that was in there that uh grandpa had and he looks at him and he's he's all happy about it and that's pretty much your movie right there but a lot was going on in this and it was I mean they found I mean I'm surprised they didn't kill Ray I mean, that's why I'd like to know more of the story. Did they kill him later on down the line when he's trying to figure what was when, because he obviously has to answer to the higher ups in the FBI on what was going on.

Because they kind of made it seem like he just walked away from the FBI. And didn't he say he was going to try to get in contact with Maggie's media contacts? Yeah, because he was going to tell them what was going on. Yeah, I don't, I don't think it was just going to be. that easy. Yeah, I mean, I would like to know what happened. I mean, obviously Frank who tell nothing happened to him. Slap

him on the wrist, send him on the next assignment. But I wanted to know about Jack Milton, Fred Ward's character, the travel chairman. I'm sure they found out did their own research and found out what was going on. What they were being told was bullshit? What did they do?

Were they still the ones trying to stop all the traditionalists? of just trying to be traditional because they obviously didn't want anyone doing it but I think it was just they were they were getting the Fed all the bullshit from the FBI

and they were just going right along with it but again this this story is all too true it happens and some people don't think it is but yeah I mean Jimmy looks twice John Trudell said it best and he goes look man

he goes he goes they have to kill him because they can't they have to kill us because they can't they won't break our spirit and it's like when you find out the truth and the only way they're going to keep you quiet is by killing you and so I mean again people don't want to believe this type of stuff happens uh in America and that happens on indigenous land there's a lot of stuff that goes on that they try to hide sweep under the rug I mean even if you watch um I think it's called Incident at Inundie I think that's what it's called

Because there was a huge thing going on out there Or even when they occupied Alcatraz And everything I mean just go look up all All this type of stuff There's tons of documentaries on everything And what's going on

And the information's out there Yeah you just got to Find it for yourself There's videos on YouTube things to read, but then they all say people that are that are going to tell you that that's bullshit. That didn't happen.

But I don't know. I can't say it did. I can't say it didn't. I wasn't there at these things. But this type of stuff happens. It's sad to say and it's sad some people don't think so. They think that what happens on the res is nothing. I mean, it's America.

One way or another, we're all Americans. This is our. home and the lands that the indigenous people got back, sometimes it's just small. Like here, the reservation I live on, it's small compared to where my parents are from. Huge. Navajo Nation is the biggest reservation in the United States. So, I mean, it's hard. I mean, they basically just took people here.

Here's your land. Stay there. And after they raped and stole everything else. but there's tons of movies out there but this is one of those ones a lot of people say it's just Hollywood bullshit now this this some of it was but it speaks a lot of truth

in this one so I mean even the last film we're not thinking of the couple of films ago clear cut I mean look into that one if you guys haven't seen that movie read on what goes on up there when they're clear cutting trees and what they're doing especially on on native lands

so there's a lot of stuff stuff going on. And a lot of people, they don't, again, it's not going to be in the news. It's not going to be in the newspaper. It's just a lot of stuff that happens that they try to keep on the under. And then they just want to keep that from the people. So, but there's people out there that know and they go out there and they're loud and proud about it. But, I mean, like in this film, the people that knew stuff, they ended up dead.

And sad to say, that type of stuff happens as well. So will it ever stop? probably not but we're still here as the indigenous people of this land and we are going to fight for it i mean there's wars going on all over the places of war going on right now but the war going on here the war going on in america with indigenous land or just the war amongst americans itself i mean there's everybody's separated into this into that i mean war war horror is, to me, it is not good. What's going on now over on the other side of the world is, is fucked up.

But there's stuff going on here in our country. People don't want to talk about it. Some people don't think it's happening, but it is. Well, this is Austin film. If you guys haven't seen it, I know it's spoiled the whole thing, but definitely check it out for yourself. You got stars that's streaming on there. It seems to be the only place that's streaming. But yeah, I remember when I first came after I started doing its cable run, it was on like HBO and everything, like all the time.

Quick story, the guy that played Richard Yellowhawk, Julius Drum, I met him in San Francisco one time. He was a little tipsy. We talked about it. It looks like he's only done two films. But he was cool. we just did this is during my hip hop days we did a show and I guess he was there because when we were leaving it's like oh man

you guys are awesome this this and that and I was looking at him I was like fuck that's Richard Yellowhawk this is what I was saying in my head and then he was like yeah man you guys are awesome and because we had a drum one of my buddies Joe he's one of the young eagle singers he was there and he was playing the drum

traditional drum before we played and he was like yeah man come on let's sing let's just set the drum right here on the on the cement and start drumming and he started singing but he was all drunk and we were like well that's cool man right on my mike was with us and mike knew who he was and then he goes yeah you guys see thunderheart he goes yeah i'm in that movie i was a guy in the wheelchair and we're like oh right on cool so but yeah check out thunderheart you guys got stars but Ryan, you're up. All right.

In honor of the man himself, the bad guy, Scott Hall, we are going to do Scarface, 1983's crime drama in honor of the real bad guy. Make way for the bad guy. What's that on? This is streaming on Peacock. Oh, it is. Okay, I just noticed that. I remember it was on Netflix, but it was gone.

Um, this isn't one of those ones with ads, is it? Because I'm not, peacock. It's weird. Peacock is weird like that. I was going to watch a movie. Like, oh, cool. Turn it on and an ad started up. And I was like, hey, didn't I fucking upgrade and have no ads?

And I did some research. Some of them still do. That's how they get you. I was like, oh. All right, everyone. Yeah, come back for Scarface. We probably won't run through that one like we do as usual. Everyone knows that movie.

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