The Horror Returns - THR Presents: Stream Fiends - Ep. 34: Copycat (1995)

Episode Date: May 23, 2022

This episode Brian and Nez team up with a agoraphobic psychologist and a female detective in search of a deranged serial killer in the streets of San Francisco in the 1995 crime/thriller COPYCAT. Join the THR Presents: Stream Fiends Facebook Group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/3860579827402429 Follow THR Stream Fiends on IG: @thrstreamfiends   Join The Horror Returns Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns Check out everything Horror Returns at: https://thehorrorreturns.com   Join The Action Returns Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/841619946357776   Follow The Action Returns on IG and Twitter: Instagram: @theactionreturns Twitter: @action_returns    Intro Music by Mixla Beats Productions https://www.mixlaproduction.com    

Dr. Hudson? Hello? All right, come out of there with your hands above your head. I'm not gonna ask you... What are you doing with my gun? How'd you get my gun? What are you doing in the ladies' room? Are you spying all those girls again? Hey, I'll tell you something right now.

Hey, don't you look pretty up the officer? Hey, you know what I want to know? I need you to help me out on this, Dr. Hudson, because you're the expert and all. No. I would a fuck knocker like me take out a dumb guy like this, huh? Would you stick him? What? Would you shoot him? Stick him or shoot? Shoot him? I can't. I can't decide. But I think I'm just gonna go ahead on and do both. Back everybody to another episode of THR Present Stream Beans. I'm your host Brian. With me as always is my brother Nez. What's up, man? Oh man, I'm good. got back from Tulsa

had a good time with Oki Podcasts I'll do respect toke signals and Sol Tap I can't remember what Soltap stood for

I want to say so geez no wait I can't even remember okay here it is um Soul Tap S-O-T-A-P

it stands for so let's talk about podcasts shout out to Joe and Alex Miller we did our show at the venue shrine and oh bad it was awesome there was supposed to be five of us on stage

but two of the guys had some personal issues that they needed to take care of so they could make it that night but it's all good man the show went on Josh from Toke Signals and Oak and Russ and myself we got up there and we did what we did man and

this time we were second so there was three shows going Soul Tap was first us and then all due respect it was kind of like a double podcast show for for myself and there guys because when we once we were done excuse me everyone I had to

I was just power and water when I was sitting on stage I had to run to the bathroom before the next guys got going. But while I was in there, I heard yeah, McNaz, I was like, oh man, they were like, get up here. I was like, we decided to run back up on stage and all of us up there. And they had one big, one big show. And they stayed kind of, I guess, I mean, everyone else there was local. So they knew all of them and

they had all been on each other's show. So I was a new guy in the bunch. So, uh, it was my first time on all due respect. So, they were asking me basically in my story who I was and how I got into all this and I told them about everything

with MacNez and E-society and then I rolled into the horror returns and then all the other shit that we do together and they were like damn you're doing a lot I said yes and I'm all over the place so it was fun also did a quick little

wasn't really interview, I was just kind of chiming in my two cents. Russ was doing oh man, Slate everyone. He was doing a show where it was like a live Instagram show with

what the heck were they called? Tulsa Tulsa Live or something. I can't remember what he said. Oh, here it is. the Tulsa show live with Todd Atkins It was just

He does interviews And it was like a live Instagram Interview So he was talking to Russ about him And then Russ had mentioned the show And mentioned me and they go Hey well bring him on

So I had to Get in there We're talking about UFC and I just kind of talked about the old old days and when it first started when there was no classes and no rules and everyone just jumped in the ring and started beating out of each other.

Punch people in the nuts and throw them out of the cage. Yeah, it was a bunch of bar brawlers. But that was cool. And I had a good time, man. It was a blast going out there. They're talking about doing more. And I said, just let me know. man I'll be here and a couple guys there was a lot of people we met there and they're like man you came all the way out here for this I said I got to man I gotta represent and show love to everybody out here and they're like round so there was another lady I met I cannot remember her name right now I want to say Trisha but she's got a show and oh she was talking about next time I go out there she was going to have a like a

a dinner and then after that sit down and interview everybody so I don't know when that is but whenever that happens next time I go out there but other than that man it was it was cooked it was good man I wish I could have stayed

out there longer because shout out to King Castro he hosts rap battles that they have in Tulsa and Friday was a Friday night or Saturday night I can't remember whatever whatever the night was.

Russ sent me a picture. And he was hanging out with Bear and Willie Jack from Reservation Dogs. They showed up to the rap battle. And I was like, oh, man. So I was like weak. I could have been there. But that's all good. I thought they were done filming reservation dogs, but they said they're still doing some other stuff.

I met this one guy named Dan, Dan Warrior, and he worked with the first season, and he's working on the second season with him. I think he's doing catering or something, and he was telling me all kinds of stuff that was going on. Oh, and shout out to Josh and Isaiah. They're going to be in an episode on season two. I'm not really sure if we'll see them on camera, but I guess there's a scene where people are all selling their stuff, and they were kind of just set up at a table, and I'm sure the kids are. camera passes them or anything, but I think it's supposed to be more episodes this season.

Yeah, um, that warrior guy was telling us that, uh, the first season they were, um, it was kind of really just really loose and everybody was just having a good time,

but this season, uh, I guess they got a bigger budget. So, I mean, Disney owns FX and Hulu and all that. So they kind of told them, look,

um, This is how it's going to work now. So I think Disney started pulling the strings and didn't let them go what they were doing the last season. I don't know. We'll see. I'm sure it's still going to be a good season, but they're going to, they're still working on and everything. And it was cool, man, talking to all these people that they were involved in it. And there was another gal I met out there.

I can't remember her name. she knew a lot of people that works on the set with everybody I'm like man how come you guys all know all these people and you guys aren't in it I don't know I said man tell them if they ever need fat skateboarders give me a call I said I'll fly out there for it but other than that man I take on to Kelly

next season or the upcoming season I kind of have a feeling they're not even going to get that far something's going to happen they're going to turn around come back. Well, you can pop in season three then. Yeah, man, just go out to California anyway and I'll ride down the street on my skateboard in Hollywood or wherever they're going. But yeah, it was a good time, man. I can't wait to go back. They're talking about doing something. Oh, man, either next month and I want to say someone says September, but I'm not really sure. But I don't know. We'll see. But as soon as I find out, I'll let you guys know.

So everyone that did come out, thanks. But, uh, right. Let's get on to why we are here. This was my pick. And this is 1995's copycat. There's a serial killer out there who strangled three women. His motive is terror. I'm death and life to hit.

His purpose is murder and his inspiration. He's all the famous killers who have come before. It's the Boston. Strangler. Tell me this guy's copycatting a serial killer's been dead for 20 years. Sigourney Weaver, Holly Hunter, Dermit Mo Rooney, and Harry Connick Jr. Copycat, Reddit R. Starts Friday, October 27th at a theater near you. Let's go over to Google.

Deeply shaken after being assaulted by a deranged man, Dr. Helen Hudson must face her fears if she is to help solve the series, a series of murders. Helen is a psychologist who has studied serial killers, but this case in which the crime scene modeled on the work of infamous deviance is grimmer than most. With the help of two San Francisco police officers, Helen tries to come between the murderer and his next victim. All right, let's see what MDB asked to say one sentence. a gorophobic psychologist

and a female detective must work together to take down a serial killer who copies serial killers from the past. I like that one. Yeah. See, you can do it in one sentence or bring in a whole big paragraph. The other one, directed by John

is that a male? Emil or whatever. This stars She's Louise. Oh, man. internet decided to freeze oh here we go uh sigourney weaver um i can never say this guy's name dermot dermot dermot there's a dermot monrooney yeah there you go uh aka dirty steve from young guns that's all i see him at harry harry conic junior will

Patton, Academy Award winner, Holly Hunter, William McNamara. I hate that. I just hate this, dude. I hate it. He was the asshole in a dream, a little dream.

Shout out to Corey Ham. And that's all I see him as. And he's, spoiler, Lord, he's the killer in this one, everyone. Who else? Yeah, a bunch of other people. but Brian when did you first see copycat?

I want to say I saw this in the theaters when it came out. I can't remember, but I'm pretty sure me and my brother went to go see this and didn't really know what to expect. I think it was just one of the days where we just, like whatever, whatever was playing at the time we were there. That's what we were watching.

And was pleasantly surprised that we were checking out a serial killer movie with, you know, because it's got the whole copycat thing going on. And the detective is working with this, what is, what kind of doctor is she? Or is she a doctor? She's an expert at serial killers, you know,

them trying to figure out everything. And I like that whole aspect. Great cast. I do have a problem and we'll get into it when we break down the movie. that I never really noticed for some reason until this recent rewatch. But yeah, I would have to say I've seen this in 95 back in the day in the theater.

All right, before I get into it, because this is what says on the poster. One man is copying the most notorious killers in history, one at a time. Together, two women must stop him from killing again, or they're next. I first saw this. We rented it in the VHS days. When did this come out in 95?

Okay, my daughter was, we can go to the movies for a while because my daughter was, okay, she wasn't quite a year old yet because this came out in October. So whenever this came out on VATTS, DHS is when we just went and ran it. Because that's pretty much what we did.

I think the very first movie that we got to finally go see after my daughter was a year old was was Forrest Gump. And that was hell. I was just worried about my daughter. My mother-in-law, my brother-in-law were babysitting. But even still, it was kind of hard to enjoy. We brought our daughter to the movie theater. I think she was probably two weeks old.

I couldn't do that. I just, it makes me mad when I hear kids, babies. She was, she was a, she was a quiet kid. I want to say we watched, what's that based on a comic book, The Losers. I remember that's what we took her. I remember when I went seeing Creed. There was a lot of people in there and I was sitting in that one empty, that one seat that's next to the handicapped area for the wheelchairs. There's just that one seat in the row.

So I was sitting right there. And then right before the movie started, in came his family. Two little toddlers, a stroller. I was like, really? And at least when the baby made noise, the mom got up and walked out to the back. But anyway, anyway, copy kit. Yeah, so that's when we first saw it. These were just look at the box.

And, uh, and, uh, and all right, this looks good. well, I never read, I never read the boxes. My wife, she just, she said, okay, this sounds good. Let's get this. I'm all right. I mean, we know who's the Gorney Weaver and Holly Hunter. I didn't know who Harry Connick Jr. was. My wife knew him.

She goes, isn't he a singer? I'm like, I don't know. I think this was the first thing. I remember. I've never heard of him before this. And I didn't, I didn't even know he was a singer until, like, Independence Day came out. he was doing an interview was this before independence day uh let me see oh it was right before because the independence day came out in 96 all right but yeah i i i don't know how she knew

but i was like i don't know it was the first time i've seen this guy um the only ones i knew were Sigourney, Dirty Steve, Will Patton, Holly Hunter, and William McNarmer, whatever the hell's name is. Those are the only ones that I knew in this movie. But other than that, man, when the movie was over, I was like, damn, I didn't realize it was two hours long. I thought it was like under two hours.

Because when I was sitting there watching it, my wife, she had seen it forever. So we were both sitting there watching it. And she's like, damn, how long is, how long is this movie? I'm like, shit, I was just like waiting for the, I knew what happened at the end, but I just kind of forgot everything in between. So I was like, all right, cool. And I actually forgot who this copycat killer was copying out of all the serial killers throughout time. So I was like, okay. But I don't know, either I just wasn't really paying attention.

I haven't seen this movie I haven't on DVD I might have watched it like once when I bought it but that was a long time ago but the movie yeah this is I loved it because it was based

in the Bay Area it was in San Francisco a lot of the areas that they were showing in here I knew where they were except for that one that one scene and they were way up on top of that hill I'm I driving around San Francisco

go when I can when I'm out there, but I've never been way up there. But I saw the background stuff. So next time I go there, I'll probably drive up there and see. But yeah, this one, the Sigourney Weaver, Dr. Helen Hudson, she was just a criminal psychologist, and she just studied serial killers. So she was giving a talk at a university. and she was just talking about serial killers again, not throughout time, but some certain ones.

And then she kind of made everyone like, like these serial killers are just like every other guy, normal guy, between 20 and 40 or whatever she said. So she kind of had all the guys standing up. And then, okay, if you're 50 and above or whatever, sit down. So I guess 50-year-olds and all that can be serial killers.

This is what she said. So, but when the camera started panning around, all right, this is the first time I saw it. And when they were showing the guys, they show, what's his nuts? William McNarmah, Peter Foley. They show him. And when I was sitting there, I was like, hey, I know that guy. Yeah. Like, I just remember dream a little dream.

Yeah, this is the problem I was talking about. Like, I didn't notice it also until this rewatch. they basically show you who the killer is. Yeah. I mean, they focus on him and everybody is not, is kind of not blurred out, but just like when the camera's on him, it's so focused on him and you can,

you can barely make out of people's faces, but you can clearly see his face. And I, I kind of didn't like that. Yeah. And then later on when they're in the police station, and he's kind of standing. around. I was like, he's the killer. I mean, my wife didn't, she didn't know who. This is like

the first time we saw this. She didn't know. I only knew him because of Dream a Little Dream. And I said, since he was the asshole on that, I was all right, this guy's the killer. Yeah, because in the police station, like, he doesn't need, he says like one thing and they focus on him saying that one thing that has no, nothing to do with anything. So I'm like, you're focusing on him too much before you even reveal that he's the killer. Yeah, so I was like, when I noticed him, I picked up the box and then I looked at, I was like, okay, this is him because you can, if you know the actor, I was okay, this is clearly him on the box.

So I was like, that kind of ruined it for me the first time. So I was like, I didn't say it out loud to my wife. I was kind of like, whoa, hey, I know that guy. And she was like, who? And I just kept it going. But then when they showed him again in a police station, I was like, all right, he's the killer. So, but then shortly after they do reveal him. I mean, I didn't mind that.

I do love the movie, but I kind of like it when you have to kind of guess who the killer is. Like, seven, we didn't know who the killer was going to be because I loved what they did. not putting Kevin Spacey's name in the beginning and the credits, not until the movie was over. Spoiler alert, you guys haven't seen it. But you should have by now. Movies like, I don't know, almost 30 years old, I think.

But anyway, so she's given this speech and she did all that with the people. And she's going around back. She's painting around the room. She sees Harry Conn Jr.'s character. He's some little rugged hillbilly, rugged little dude named Darryl E. Cullum. All right. She sees him there and he's looking at her with his little crooked meth teeth.

And then he like gives her, I'm going to kill you when he like rubs his fur, swings his, swipes his finger under her throat. Like he's going to slice her neck. All right. Was she just imagining that or was he really sitting there? Because she looks around the room and she goes back. He's gone. I think, I don't think they really made it known, but I think he was already a serial killer that was maybe threatening her. And she, I think she thought she saw him.

Because I think it would have been better maybe we got some kind of notice like before she did, she was up there speaking in front of people that somebody was telling her, you know, security's, we got security tight, you know, the, the guy making the threats is not. not going to be an issue. I think that would have worked better. So I think that was just in her mind. I had issues with the security and the police in this movie. Not the detectives,

the regular flatfoot's in this. I know it's just a movie. I mean, it's not a knock on police, but I had big issues with them. Everybody looked like it was new on the job or something. Yeah. And they know. and like care.

I was like, what's going on? But anyway, so she's doing that. She kind of sees them and then her lectures over. She goes to the bathroom. But before she goes in there, one of the cops, security guards is with her. I think it was a cop because they had guns. So he goes in. Well, there was two of them with her.

One of them goes, hey, man, I got to go to the bathroom. So he goes. And then it just leaves Helen and one of the security guards are cops. And he goes in, hey, excuse me, is there anyone in here? We see that there's a lady in there taking a squirt. So he's like, I'm surprised. I mean, again, a movie. If you hear a woman and you hear a man's voice like, hey, is there anyone in here?

You're going to, well, I guess they'd probably be quiet about it. But I'm sure someone's there's someone in here. Because when the cleaning lady comes into the bathroom at our work, hello? If I'm sitting there, I'm like, I'm having. Hey, I'm in here and then she goes, all right. I mean, but that's me. Anyway, so he goes around with that. It's all clear. So she goes in into the, into the, into the, into one of the stalls.

And right here, I had an issue. You're scared that there's someone after you and you go in right into the stall next to whoever is there. And you have no idea who that is. So, but again, a movie. So she's. She sets up and Sit the sits down But then we see the feet next to her

We see legs in there in high heels And then the feet kind of come out of the high hills And then the pants fall down And it's a dude And we realize it's Darry And I had an issue here too They're in a bathroom and it's quiet He's got this metal cable

And he sticks it over The pipe, a metal pipe and it's going and she doesn't hear that much less hear someone next to her again a movie so

because even she didn't hear that she was really going to the bathroom she had to focus so um he he leans over and gets that

cable and wraps it around her neck and hoists her up it took her up high enough to where it's around her neck and she's still holding on but she's still like not fully in the air she has her feet like tiptoeing on the toilet rim so he gets down and um the one of the security guard comes running or police whatever comes comes back in and he grabs them sticks a knife to his throat uh takes the gun i like what he says right here when he goes hey man what do you do with my gun And I mean, I've listened to Harry Conno Jr. saying, man, he's a crooner, I assume.

He's a good singer, but I like that his little accent with his voice. It's not as hard as it is in this or in Independence Day. But, I mean, I thought he played an amazing little rugged serial killer in this film. So he starts talking and kind of toying around. Should I shoot him? should I stick should I cut him I don't know I'll do both so he slits that guards throwed and

blows his brains out and then we see that other cop running down the hall and then it just kind of goes to is it like a 13 months later yeah because we didn't we didn't see any after aftermath so I

I'd like to see did that other cop just come in and shoot them or tackle him or what I don't know They didn't, they didn't see it. We didn't see how he got caught. He would have to have shot him because the, the final shot before that was like he was up in her face talking about. So I forgot what the line was, but they were about to have some fun or get things started or whatever.

So he had to have been close enough to her to where he couldn't have tackled her. Yeah. So, I mean, can we just see that? It was a, the white, it was a white cop and a black cop. We just see the black cop come running down the hall, like full speed, and then it kind of phase the black, and then 13 months later. So now we're seeing two detectives, Holly Hunter, she's an inspector, Mary Jang, Monaghan, and Dirty Steve, Inspector Rubin Goats, or I don't know how to say his last name. I did it's called him. yeah so um was he still in training or i didn't or they were just i i took it he was he was a fresh detective

okay because the just the way she was kind of just talking to him it was just kind of like basically you still have more to learn and then yeah the interactions later on with Will Patton's character, I just kind of felt like he, he was new, maybe a new partner for her, new, new to the forest or something, new to being a detective. Yeah, I figured he must have been like a brand new. They say he's an inspector, so he must have been like brand new because when they were doing the shooting training, they come busting through a door and they're going to shooting at targets. And he just unloads on that target. Oh, he busted and freeze. Even if there was someone there, didn't even give him the opportunity to freeze.

I like how he's just like, bam, bam, bam, bam. And then he just has one more left. Bam. And they do, now I'm thinking about it, they do a couple times people do like kind of reference that he's kind of young. So I just always took it as he was new. He was still a little rookie inspector. I'm sure he was new to the force because later we find out that Will Patton just hates him. And also we find out that Will Patton, Inspector Nicoletti, he and MJ, they get what they kept calling Holly Hunter,

that they had a thing together and she obviously broke up with him because he was still like he hated Rubin. because he was always giving him shit and now you better treat her right and this and that man he was like what the fuck you talking about she she she put it on him because that guy was whipped like I'm like do your job you're at work do police work

and you're just like popping up right behind her you're like oh that's a nice outfit you know just it's like that's all he could think of was her yeah so we're introduced to them and then they they find out that there's been a homicide and

they have to go check it out and I had to go to list of decks for copycat to explain because on Wikipedia it doesn't really say the order but the first one it says

on our security guard throat slashed Darry Lee Cunham and then it says two unarmed women strangled by fully copying the Boston strangling. Well, there was two

because I thought it was just the one in the house. I think there was a previous one before the one in the you're talking about the one they show was the the one in the house in the bathtub, right? Oh, okay. I remember they did mention

finding another one. Yeah, because the... But they focused on the one in the house. Yeah, the captain kept because everybody kept saying serial killer and the captain was like don't say that you don't know that yet you don't know what they're connected and everybody was like it looks like a serial killer and he was just like don't let that get out yeah because when they go to the house um they go in and just start looking around and uh mj's kind of like all right uh what's the scene here and everyone's this is what happened who was first on scene and just

doing what they do. And then she starts questioning one of the officers that were there. And she wanted to, were you the first one here? It was like, well, I was. But. And then she goes, did you touch anything? And he's like, um, she goes one way or the other. I'm going to get it out of you.

You must tell me now that you did. Yeah. So she came in there. I mean, she didn't even go all the way through the whole crime scene. and was already talking about, did you touch anything? And he should have just said, no. He was like, uh, and then that's when she started growing him. So she knew.

So when they go in there and they look around and they see that lady in the bathtub and she's, uh, she's the, the guy, the, the guy, forensic guy, I guess. He's sitting there looking around at, uh, at this lady in the tub and she's leaning like, obviously she's like seen many many of these crime scenes because she's leaning on the guy and not even not even care in the world yeah what do we what do we got here i was like so i was like all right so uh so they kind of like all right but then when they were that guy was talking goes yeah she was uh she was strangled but it doesn't really look like it was like hands and there was hands but it would look like it was something else and then that's when she asked that cop what

the what was around the cops of this lady's neck and that's when he kind of like uh and then see that she goes did you take it all well i didn't and um was it the captain who took it off yeah it was yeah the captain because he was he was just stuck on this like i don't want it to be a serial killer So I'm like you That's where I thought at this point I thought maybe he had something to do with things Yeah Removing evidence before your lead detective

Gets there I know it's like so there was like all kinds of Mishaps in this crime scene So Yeah because she went up to him like what are you doing? Why are you messing with my crime scene? He's like look I wanted I had to get rid of that so People wouldn't think this was linked together with, so I assume the other lady that was strangled was strangled with something.

So I think that's why he took the scarf or whatever it was from around that lady's neck. So she's kind of like, all right, whatever. So they just kind of just leave it as two separate things. But when we see Helen again, Sigourney Weaver's character, she's in her big giant, I thought it was a house, but it turned out to be an apartment. And I had issues here. For being a agoraphobic, I assume

that's just afraid to go outside or whatever. She had the hugest windows. And if you're trying to hide from somebody, why would you live in a giant fancy apartment

with those huge windows and I don't know. Yeah, I mean, you would think because she has money she would be kind of away from everybody living in a damn fortress yeah i mean i think you'd be living in a house with like walls and security cameras everywhere because i'm sure that even i bet that apartment i mean if she was renting it or even if she bought it it had to be in the millions yeah i don't even think to get to her front door you even

need to get in, be buzzed into the building. I think you just like go walk into the building and go to her apartment. Yeah, because when they show the outside, it was just a street right there. And there was no kind of fences or anything because it was just that stair with that side staircase that went up to her apartment. I mean, you couldn't even see her front door from the street because it kind of went around to that big, awesome view of San Francisco. But I don't know. Rich people. I guess because yeah man somebody if I had to fear that someone was trying to kill me

I mean I'm other than I'm having guns I'm gonna have a couple big dogs and I'm gonna have cameras up the ass all over her like so um yeah we see her and she's uh with her helper uh this one guy Andy I just remember him from um

he was working in the toy store and uh jingle all the way. That's, there's only two movies I've seen them in. But, why do you don't like jingle all the way?

I hate it. So, damn. Oh, man. All right. Well, we're going to find that out. Next holiday season, everybody.

So, with all the, the murders that are going on in San Francisco, they're trying to figure out who it is. But then, um,

uh, Helen has, she has a police scanner, so she listens to the police radio and obviously watching the news. And then she's giving in her two cents because they're like, because when they're all at the police station, they're like, oh, it's her again. And she's trying to talk and tell them, uh, about what she thinks is going on with these killers or with these murders. And I did like that when, uh, before, um, MJ got on the phone, one of the guys go, ask her. about the moon bike. Yeah, I liked that. And she was like, hello, this is

Detective Monaghan. What's this moon bike? And she goes, Moonbikes, you go, talk about the lunar circle or lunar cycle. And all those guys started laughing

in the background. But she was trying to tell them that these murders might be linking up together. But I guess from what they were saying, And then she calls like a million times a day. Yeah. Trying to tell them.

Another problem with the police work here. Nobody, she keeps calling about these murders and stuff. Nobody ever looked up who she was and what did she do? Oh, they did. I mean, they knew who she was. Now they did. But they just kept calling her a crank or crazy person. That's right.

because I think they finally traced a call because when that when that one lady came walking in and goes her name is Helen Hudson and then I think that's when they kind of figured out I mean it's just me but somebody that's always calling about murders and stuff I mean

at least look into it or at least find out where the calls come from and who it is I don't know that's just me especially I mean when you have multiple murders happening in the city and you have somebody calling in trying to help you guys you're going to well who is this and I don't know the technology because the internet was was still in the beginning stages here

because the big giant monitors and the dial-up yeah I mean but they still had ways I mean the captain's so dead set on not not wanted to be called a serial killer but you got this person that just keeps calling in talking about I think all these murders are linked together. I mean, just, I mean,

come on, do your police work, guys. So, damn, my mouse pad is starting to die. Do I have any more batteries? Ah,

I just kicked my toe in the desk. Anyway, so they're like, all right, whatever. But then, I think the next murder is when they finally

go and ask for her assistance. Okay, it says the fourth murder was the unart hippie protester. They were protesting? I didn't think there was a protest. I thought it was a big

loving or something. Everyone just hanging out the park. Yeah, having a good time. Yeah, I don't know. I just thought it was because it was the I don't know, the anniversary of peace and love in San Francisco. I mean, they protest.

I like how they protest because they look like they was having a good time. I don't know. Yeah, they were just hanging and hanging out. Yeah, the video that the killer took of the lady, she was just like dancing. Like she didn't, she didn't have a care in the world. I didn't see no protesting going on. Yeah, I don't know what was going on. Yeah, because everybody was lounging out on the grass in a nice,

whatever sunny day in San Francisco, but yeah, because he was walking around filming him. But I think this is when we were introduced to him. Because we see somebody filming this big old celebration in San Francisco, but then when,

no, no, no, go ahead. They don't introduce him, but they do something, I wish they wish they would have did earlier because he's editing these like videos together. Yeah. His victims and they only show like the top of his face like barely, barely his eyes.

And you don't even really see his eyes because you get the reflection of the computer screen. And I'm just kind of like rewatching it now. I'm just like, why are you hiding his face now? Because rewatching it. Seeing it before and then rewatching it and then seeing him in the beginning, now you can make out that's him. So it was just kind of weird that they're trying to hide his face now.

Before they were doing all that, after the cops found out who was calling, that's when they went to her house. Because they did look her up and said, okay, she knows about serial killers and this and that. So then they showed up there to her house. And because when it was MJ and Rubin, they show up and then knocking on the door and then Andy opens his door and they say, hey, we're

detectives. We're going to talk to Dr. Hudson. She's in the background going no. And Andy was like, yeah, come on in. She's like, shit. So they're kind of like, hey, well, this is what's happening. And here's the evidence. But she, Dr. Helen is like, she didn't want nothing to do with it because when they were showing, they were showing the pictures of like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the.

dead girls at the crime scenes and she just had a huge panic panic attack and like I started screaming for Andy and Andy came running in with a paper bag and she was hyperventilating yeah I think this is where we also learned that she is a heavy drinker and pops pills yeah because they're like do we need to call ambulance she's like nah she'll be all right man she'll just pass out and she'll wake up in 30 minutes go back to know her brief you're going to go back to normal, she'd be all right. If you wanted to look at that stuff, just leave it there. And so, all right. So they left this stuff.

And then we see, they end up taking off. Helen ends up waking up and she's kind of leaning on Andy and is like, you're right, you're right. And then they started like, ah, oh, no, that's when they were both checking out Ruben, dirty Steve. Yeah. They both want. to fuck, Rubin. Yeah, they did.

So she's events, she ends up going through the file cases and everything looking at the pictures. And this is when she starts noticing the similarities to the other serial killers.

Because we find out that oh no they come back and she's telling them because when she's talking about the girl in the bathtub and she goes oh this is the was it the Boston Strangler was that the one yeah the Boston Strangler and then they're like what

so she gets a real picture of the actual Boston Strangler victim and the victim that they have in San Francisco and it's the exact it looks exactly the same and they goes well this is this guy's copying them you look down to the last detail and the way the girl was positioned in the tub and then she was like where where's the scarf and they were like how'd you know about the scarf yeah so she was they're like all right so they figured all right well she she knows her shit so we got

to keep her in the game on what's going on but yeah i don't think they're really at this point they figured she didn't link together that they were copycats uh killings until um okay the the protester uh she um air quotes everyone she uh she ended up missing and then okay we uh we see the killer guy at the at the police station when he's just kind of hanging out in the background for whatever reason i obviously just checking things out but then yeah then they show him making those videos because he took the video that he made of the girl dancing in the park and then he kind of blended together and made her turn into a skull face. Helen is at home one night just getting her booze on and playing chess with somebody online. I had a problem with this party either. Other than

you're just trying to hide and stay incognito, don't put your real name when you're playing someone online. I mean, make up a screen name. early internet. She could have just put doctor or something like that or I don't know. So she gets an email or I don't know, I assume it was email or instant message or something. And all right, here, if I'm getting something from somebody I don't know, I'm not going to open it. But then there would be no movie. So it gets a message with all this different code, but it says open this with.

whatever. I don't know the programs back then. I was computer illiterate back then. So she opens it like if she's just sitting there like it's nothing, like she gets these things all the time. And that's when they show the video of the girl dancing around. And then her face morphs into a skull. So she gets on the horn, calls up MJ and Dirty Steve. And they come flying over. And they're going, well, this is what I got. And they were like, it was just, it was frozen on the, the girl, but it was just like the skull. And then they're like, well, what, what happened? What is it?

She goes, I don't know. And did you, can you remember what she looked like? And a white girl. So they go, well, can you rewind it or whatever? And she's like, no. And then Rubin sits down and starts messing around trying to do what he knows with computers. But I guess when he tried to copy the video. it had a booby trap on it in the code and it just

erased and disappeared and I can't remember what it said something else popped up like you had luck or something is this the one where the little face like turns around and it's like a ass he's like jumping away yeah so they're like shit man we can't we can't do anything he booby trapped this so it's gone

and then they go well what if you go back and look at this this this and that. They said, nope, it's everything. They tried going to the backlog, looking up this and that, and it was gone. So, like, well, shit. And then that's when they, well, can you describe what she looks like? And she saw it just

for seconds. So they're like, all right. So, um, then this is after. This is when um, uh, we, they finally show, um,

the hell's that guy's name. Was it, uh, Peter Foley. Well, at this point, we don't know his name, but we see him. He's working at a lab somewhere. And what did he take? Spirm. Oh, that's right. He took sperm and then then later we see him at his house and he's, was that his mom? His wife. That old lady?

I think she just looked old. I don't know. Maybe you married her for the house. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, that was a big, that was a fat house. He had his own little dungeon operation set up downstairs. So maybe, maybe that's why he was with her.

Yeah, because he's upstairs and she's like, aren't you going to sit there and watch talk shows with me? And he's like, yeah, I got to go. I'm busy. So he goes downstairs. and opens up a padlock to get into the basement and he goes in and he's got all his computer stuff and pictures of Helen on the wall and other thing I assume the women that he had killed and then he's doing something with like Windex or something and then he turns around and that hippie girl is laying on a table with a bag overhead. all right right here that looked like that bag was over her head

and duct tape she'd have died yeah but you don't got time to be going upstairs and conversating with other people yeah you put a bag overhead I think you're like maybe minutes before you run out of air

but a movie but he like because when he slices a little slit by her mouth so she can breathe she's like so I'm like come on anyway so he's like all right

this is going to hurt and then he injects her with the little cleaning stuff so later this is when they're up on the top of the hill and we find she's laying there dead and then the cops

really don't know what's going on but this is when Will Patton's character what the hell is his name Nicoletti he gets into with Rubin and that's his tail like, you guys,

oh, no, no, before that, um, after the computer thing, uh, Rubin was like,

you know what? I'll, I'll stay with you with Helen, just because, I guess, because she was scared. And, uh,

she was like, yeah. Yeah, she was getting her booze on. You want to drink? He's like, nah. She was throwing it at him.

Yeah, she was throwing it at him. He was like, uh, now, then she was, up so do you and uh specter monaham have something going on and he was like uh well not yet really and i was like well did mj know or was he just i don't know but he should just went

eff it and and got rippley but yeah i mean i don't him and mj they're not together yet so hey he ain't married she she because she yeah earlier in the film she was straight up but she'll telling Andy I miss sex and that's when they were talking about Ruben saying that he was cute and all that. Didn't Andy say that too? He was like so do I. So

but yeah that was when she was there but then they were up on the hill and Ruben got into it with Nicoletti and he was telling you you better you better treat all right and all this and then that MJ come running up and started yelling at him.

Knock it off. We're not together. get lost so he got mad and left but yeah that's when they they find the that girl the little hippie girl with the oh sorry it says window cleaner all right i guess it was windex um so when they were talking to helen about it she was like uh so this the girl was dumped there and they're like yeah and then was she naked and yeah and he goes well was it by a no dumping sign and they're like yeah and he goes, oh, this is a copy in the hillside stranglers. And then when they did the autopsy and everything, and that's when they found two different sperms in her.

So she was like, all right, well, and so that's when they were really all right. This guy is copying, and then she had looked up the order of these killers, of each of these things. And she was like, all right, well, no, I think it was. after the next one because the next one we see that Foley guy he goes up we see this lady sitting in her car and he kind of walks up

oh one of these bikers were hooting and cat whistling at her while she was pumping gas and then she's sitting there and then we see a little slug bug a Volkswagen bug a yellow one kind of pull up and stop in her side view and he walks over

to her and like hey can you I'm lost can you help me and then that's it. But then later they get that call that yeah, there's a someone's been shot at the car in the car. So they go over there, the Rubin and Hounter, MJ are there. And then they're trying to just figure out the scene on what happened and who was around. There was one witness to saying he was there because I was walking across street. I heard a bang and turned around and then that was pretty much all he had seen. And so here's some more bad police work.

because when they're talking to Helen, she's, of course, you know, she's already got the image in her head when they're telling her the, the scene. So she's asking, was the Partridge family playing in the car?

And then you come to find out that somebody, one of the cops turned it off because he just got tired of hearing it. I'm like, why do you guys keep touching the crime scene? Yeah. Because, or the she was calling in, these in the back of the day

of those big ass cell phones. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Yeah, those big bricks. So he's like, I can't talk right now. And then she goes, she goes, well, what is it?

And it goes, there's somebody murdered in the car where they shot? And he's like, yeah. Was she sitting in the, he goes, well, how positioned was she? She was in the passenger seat? And they go,

was the radio on? And they're like, what? And he goes, well, check it to see if it's departure's family. So then I walk over there and that's when they asked one of the cops. Was this radio on when you guys got here? And they're like, yeah, but it was loud and I turned it off. Yeah, I mean, my police work is from movies and TV and police shows. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't go messing around with the police scene.

I think maybe the head investigator's coming and it's too loud. Turn it off. So many times in this movie is just like, oh, what happened is this evidence? Oh, I moved it. So they walk over there. They're still on the phone and they go, turn the radio on. So they push in the cassette tape and it's the Partridge family. I think I love you.

And then she got going, she goes, is there a pay phone around? And they're like, yeah. And I'm pretty sure. the police line keeps people further back than all these people that are gathered around at the crime scene watching. I mean, they were like right there. There's a lot of bad police work in this movie. Yeah. Because they were like, he was like, cohorts with this, there should be a note.

So Ruben walks over to the past the police line and goes to the phone. And there there's a note in there. So he looks at it and he sees Helen's name is on the back of it. So they walk over there. And then she goes, yeah, he's copying son of Sam. Was that Berkowitz? Was that his name? Yeah, David Berkowitz, the 44 caliber killer.

Yeah. That movie, Summer of Sam, I thought that was going to be about it, the whole movie. I was John Lik Wasamo banging a whole bunch of females. That's what the movie is about. my brother my brother-in-law called it this summer a slam because yeah that's all it every now and then it's just showing that dog talking and uh what's his name uh damn uh we just did a review that movie clean what's his name oh uh adrian brodie when he was yeah it's the punk rocker whatever it's john like was on well banging a whole bunch of women and him trying to be a punk rocker

with the British accent. Yeah. I had seen that movie forever. And what's her name? Mirosavino. Yeah. I just remember that big gang bang. And she was getting banged.

John Likuzon was banging people, but then he got all mad to start yelling at her for it. Crazy movie here. Well, Summera Sam, a Spike Lee joint. But anyway. So, Yeah, she figured it out.

She goes, all right, it was the son of Sam. And then they looked up, she goes, look, the next one's going to be a Jeffrey Dahmer murder. And it's going to be a man. And so they're like, so they're trying to figure out. Well, I guess you can't figure out who's going to be next. But Andy and one of his friends, they were going to go party because it's still the summer of love celebration. in San Francisco. Okay.

They're going to a summer of love celebration. So again, what protest was happening? I don't know. Maybe people were protesting a summer of love. I don't know. So,

they're like, yeah, she's the, Helen's like, all right, you guys go have a good time. And they're like, yeah,

we will. So next scene, we see Andy. No, we see that Peter Foley guy. So at this point we already know he's a killer. He's a walking. No, before that

they are They have to No, they were at a crime scene or somewhere loud Because when Um Uh The I think it was an MJ, the answers her phone

And um Uh, uh, Foley is playing something. He's playing something in the phone. uh, tour. It was like a recording of something. Um, no,

they were, they were at, uh, Helen's house. Oh, was that what, what was he playing? I can't remember.

I don't remember. I, but I do remember the scene because, uh, she got a phone call and he was playing something and they gave it to, she gave the phone to, that's right. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, and before all this was going on, somebody kept sneaking in into Helen's house, because she just has no kind of security and don't lock her windows. Not at all. Because

she got up to take a shower. She kind of heard something, but didn't really, she kind of just went, Andy. Okay. I know we're bagging on this movie, but this scene where she comes back in the outfit she had on when what's his name in the beginning

was trying to, trying to kill her, was laying on the bed. Why the fuck do you still have this outfit? I don't mean, we just can't get rid of things. I was thinking the same thing. Yeah,

it sounds like we're tearing this movie apart. I love this movie. It's an awesome movie. After, I mean, breaking it down, and that's why we're coming up with all this crazy stuff. But that's what podcasting is. anyway.

Yeah. She sees that her red the suit jacket or whatever or suit whatever she was wearing on the bed.

If anything, she should I had a panic attack then. But I think she was pills and booze so she just kind of just brushed

it off. And then there was another time she was in her house and she saw somebody in there because she was ah trying to get away and I think she had called MJ and Ruben because they came

hauling ass over there oh Ruben Rubin showed up was this when the car was this when the car alarm went off? Yeah I think no it wasn't This one was the car alarm. The one I thought you were bringing up that I said was stupid.

Was the one with the fucking ants in the bed? Oh, no, that was after this one. No, this one was the car alarm and the security guard that's like in the hallway watching her or police or whatever. I assume these were just like off-duty police that were just helping out. He looks out there and sees a car alarm. So he goes out there. Leaves his post. yeah um and i'm pretty sure more bad police uh work her police decisions

and i was i was thinking the same thing i was like don't these things go off like after a few minutes but then my wife was go but this is like in the earlier days of those car alarms go up yeah you had to go out there and shut it off so so yeah that cop goes over there and um i guess he knew how to open the hoods without it being unlocked from the inside, but no way. So, yeah, well, he's down there. That's when somebody breaks into the house. And didn't think he was trying to take anything.

I think he was just trying to scare her, if anything, because when she sees him, and then she yells, and that's what she calls Helen and Ruben comes hauling ass over there. He goes flying up, and he sees the cop. I'm going to get up to talk to you in a minute. And then he runs inside and Helen, Helen, I'm here. And then she's like, ah, she was like in the closet or somewhere. I remember where she was hiding. I think he was in the bathroom.

But then he runs over to the, to a window because he sees a windows open. And then he looks out and then we see somebody running away. And then so she comes out, ah, this and that. And he goes, well, do you take anything? And I don't think so. You all right? And she's fine. So that was in between some of these other things.

Yeah. Three times somebody was in her apartment. and the best they can do is one cop standing at the door the ants was that before the bar the car um uh i think i know it was before the car alarm one

i know it was after the car alarm the answer no it was after yeah i think so i i can't remember i i didn't understand what the thing what the ants was I didn't either. Oh, no, well. She afraid of ants? No, no, no, no, no. Okay, after that guy got away, I think the ants and then the bar stuff.

No, no, no, I think it was the same night. I think. We see, after Foley did the phone call to her and all that, and MJ was listening, we go to the bar Foley saw dude it up holding two glasses of milk Can I say one more thing

This Peter guy He doesn't fit in At this little function This club thing that's going on He looks so out of place And they didn't show him at the protest of doing my air quotes But I'm sure he didn't look like he was supposed to be there

either. No. Because everyone was all hippied out and he was just a little nerdy look and in his glasses. Yeah, but this is, his hair is all slicked back and he's, I don't drink makes drinks. So I don't know. To me, they're like cups of milk. I don't think they were my ties. Because walking over, dancing with a, oh, well, before he comes dancing.

After he gets off the phone, he, like, dumps some kind of pills. or whatever in the out in the open yes didn't even try to hide it somebody would have seen it so he's dancing over there and um was that other guy because it was Andy and was the other no I don't think that guy was there unless he I think he was there oh he was there because he gave them the two drinks yeah I think he was more of a friend friend I think he was there to do his own thing. Yeah, because Andy powers that one, and then that's it, because the next morning, we... Go ahead.

Go ahead. The next morning. Andy was ready. That's why he was found in that drink town. Oh, no, no, no. That's right. Yeah, he powered that. And then we see next, we see fully carrying a...

Andy in the alley and then he like throws him down and just starts whooping his ass and it knocks him out. I figured he was already knocked out from whatever drug he gave him. But then he If you have to carry somebody, I don't think you have to knock him out.

And Foley's not a big guy, but Andy looked like he was tall. Then he breaks out a hacksaw and just starts hacking. At this point, we don't know what it is. And the next morning we see people and police running over to this pier and then we're looking in the water and we see

Andy's body floating there. They never showed his head, did they? The way the body was, it kind of looked like there was no head. No, I mean, but, I mean, he cut his head. Oh, no, I don't... Did he cut his head off? I think so. Let me see.

Andy suffocated by Foley with a plastic bag and all right says head had sawed off. All right. So was that? Oh, okay. So I think after that, I think maybe the next night, she found out Andy was dead. She comes out of her bathroom. Helen comes out of her bathroom and I don't know how she didn't see those big giant ants on the floor. And then she gets in her bed and then the ants crawling all over.

So she, yeah, jumps up and pulls the sheets back and there's these big giant ants crawling around in her bed. She doesn't really know and they're all kind of by the corner. And then she lifts up a corner and there's a book under there. And it's Darry Lee Cunham's his book. And then she opens it up and there's a finger in it. So.

Was that Andy's finger or? I don't know. I don't know who finger that was. I'm still trying to figure out what was the deal with the ants. I don't know. I mean, I thought he came in. Well,

he obviously is the one that came in and put that book there, but did he bring the ants to and just throw it, throw them all over the place in the bed? I don't know. There wasn't really a reason. if they did I don't remember so I'm on Wikipedia

trying to see if there was anything after Andy is killed the manor Jeffrey Dahmer MSA this is a killer in the name Peter okay this is when they find out

after Andy's kill they find out it was Peter Foley they find out who the killer was they talked to Andy friend and uh they were so no no no they they found out about the bug oh no no no no no when helen was going they were they were figuring out uh what kind of car um domer drove i guess and uh and they were saying it was uh they were saying a gold vw bug it would be yellow to me but so then they started going through the dmv finding out who owned

this color bug so they have a bunch of pictures of license and then they're talking to andy's friend well who who are these guys so they kind of go through it and then he go all right this is the dude and they find out it's uh peter foley and he lives in daily city so um oh i think what was up before that they talked to um okay i was after uh no they they they go I believe they go to capture Foley first. Then they talk to Darryl. Yeah, that's after. Okay, they find out who Peter Foley is,

who was corresponding with Cullen. And they, okay, right, all right. Yeah, they, um, all right, yeah, they find out who Peter Foley is. And then I think that's when they, um, uh, they go to his house. this is when the police all bust in and then they the house is all burning up is that before yeah that's more the the video they video or darily hmm the two work together to figure out now moving the time okay right uh I think before

all of that um they kept talking something about Chinatown I assume just the gangs that were going on there because they had have all these Asian gentlemen, younger guys, all handcuffed in the police station and everything. Some of them look like kids. Yeah. Will Patton's character,

Nicoletti, he's got one of them, one of the Asian guys, and he's got him handcuffed, but he takes his gun and puts it in his desk. But I guess before he locks it, some commotion goes on, so he kind of gets up to go help. And that guy sitting

there slides over to the desk unlock i guess he did lock it but he like but leaves the keys in there bad police work yeah he unlocks it and takes the gun and first of well i guess he heard him put that gun in there i don't know but anyway so he takes the gun and he's holding it um rubin comes in with a box of donuts and telling like hey man if you're gonna you better act you better be good or i won't or I'll give you any. So he goes, you're going to play nice, and a more bad. More bad police work. Yeah, I'm like, come on, Rubin, you don't know what this guy did.

He could be a murderer and you're going to uncuff his hand so he could eat a donut. Yeah, so he does that. And when he uncuffs him, he jumps up and he's got that gun and he's holding it up to Ruben's head and he's speaking Chinese and one of the other the Asian cops I assume he could speak a little English because

when that guy was yelling he's like he's talking too fast I can't understand him. No he was he was Korean oh he was yeah they kept asking him and he was like man I'm Korean I don't I'm not Chinese and they were like well what is he saying and I guess he knew he knew a little bit yeah

So he's, um, he, they kind of get out into the hall and Steve is, or Steve, Ruben is, same guy. He's like, uh, like everyone's like, because everyone, everyone like pulled out their guns. Even the captain came out, but then he puts his gun down because he's still holding them. Um, here comes MJ. She comes sneaking up behind. Uh, and then when, uh, the, um, the Asian guy kind of spins around towards MJ and she lets off. around and clips him in the shoulder and then he falls down and then Rubin's standing there like oh right on this is all in slow motion like yeah you did it and then you see MJ's eyes kind of looked down and then you see that that that that uh the Asian guy that got shot still holding that gun and he blasts uh Rubin in the back and uh kills him that's Rubin's well yeah I did

yeah he should you celebrating with donuts and I mean the first thing I would have thought was I mean is kicked a gun away and then get away so you know your boys can come in and subdue him

but he's just like with it with his donuts like yeah and here's another thing this is what I said last night we're watching this with all the stuff that's going on with the police shooting people

every cop had their gun out. After that guy shot Rubin, nobody fired on him. They all just kind of ran out and just got him and handcuffed him. I'm figured once he left that roundoff, somebody or more than one should have just

everyone should have just started firing to kill him. I mean, there's plenty of videos out there that's going around now. And again, I like this movie, but I'm just, is there no other way out of that office other than that one door? Nobody could like go around to cut him off. I'm like, everybody's like at this one door. I guess.

Everybody's at that door. Everybody's got their guns out. But I think, I think he was young because I think when he's laying there and they're cuffing him, he's, I think he's yelling. a minor, I'm a minor. But, um, yeah, uh, Ruben's laying there dead. And, uh, MJ is just, oh, my God.

Um, uh, Nicoletti, uh, Will Patton's character, he's just like, he's, he's feeling the blame too. Like, yeah, it was, was my gun. It was just, I should have, whatever. But then it was also Ruben's fault for being Mr. Nice guy and uncuffing. him trying to give him a donut but yeah those donuts are not for them yeah i mean just bad bad

police decisions uh in this department so but uh yeah helen goes or uh mj goes over to helen's and tells him that um that rubin died and she's like oh man so they're trying to like did you get to feel like no one really felt that bad that ruben died yeah it's like they were like oh man's fucked up and then yeah that sucks yeah life moves on that's that's how it's see um but yeah i mean that that's what i think that then the the ants in the book and with the finger in it and all that so they had uh figured out that it was um darrell lee's book so they're like uh so they were trying to figure out all right well he knows first they were like well why why is this book here What did this have to do with the murders that are going on?

So then they're kind of like, all right, well, the only way is to ask him. And Helen was like, I don't want to talk to him. And then like, come on, you have to. So they did it like a video call. And I'm pretty sure the internet back then and the videos were not that clear. But all right, it was a movie. And so it was like a video. conference call.

He's standing there and but he couldn't see them. I think there was just a camera and a microphone because he's kind of like, hey, is she there? Where is she? Because he wanted to talk to her. But MJ was like, no, I'm leading this conversation.

I'm not going to tell you nothing until I talked to Helen. So that's when she kind of starts talking. He's like, hey, how are you doing? And all this shit. and they're kind of like, well, well, who is this? I mean, what? Why, why is this book in your house?

And he's like, well, I'm not going to tell you anything unless you give me something. And he's like, well, what? It's got to be something personal. Why don't you give me some of your, a pair of your squirrel covers? She's like, what? He's like, your panties. and sign him to me and she was like

all right and then he goes into it he goes like I don't really know this guy but this dude Peter Foley's been writing to me and tell me this and that and I kind of told him to give you the book

and he goes I don't really know him and he goes if I were you I'd be worried because this guy's crazy so I think after that is when they go and rush his house. Okay.

Because I could be wrong. I mean, it might be vice versa, but either way. So they find out why he was talking to him and then why that book was there. So, but, so he's like, all right, whatever. So that was pretty much the end of that thing. And then that's when the cops go and rush the house. I mean, again, man, videos of police, I mean, they ain't announcing themselves. if they want to be in your house, they're going to come charging in your house.

So, but they're outside. Hey, this is the San Francisco Police Department. Peter Foley come out with your hands up or whatever. They're like, they don't really know what's going on. But before they go charging in the house, we see smoke coming out of the bottom windows, like in the basement windows. And then they're like, Fitt, come on. Yeah, it doesn't work that way, man.

This guy is a serial killer. you're asking him to come out peacefully and surrender yeah and you see smoking flames coming out of the bottom of the house but you eff it let's go they all go charging in and they're looking around starts screaming they go upstairs and they see his mom's wife or whoever laying in the bed with a bullhole on her head and they're like oh fuck so they they start looking around then they go down into the basement knowing damn well that it's on fire. Break the door

down and all the flames come and they're like in a little narrow walkway that stairwell that goes downstairs all the flames come shoot now and then all of a sudden now the whole house is on fire and then we see all the the SWAT team everyone's running out

and he's not in there, he's not in there and then the whole house blows up so they're like oh fuck what's happening now what did happen um oh helen's at home and then uh someone knocks on the door and then she walks over and looks or she looks to the people and it's uh one of the cops there uh one of the cops looking through the people at her and we see another cop there but he's kind of like looking looking away laughing and then she opens the door.

And did he slit his throat or shoot him? I think he slits throat. Yeah. And then that's when it's Peter Foley. He comes after he kills that cop, he comes charging in. So he's like, ah, he's talking to her telling it. Basically, I'm going to kill her, buddy. He like chases around through the house and then he catches her and then

gives her a few stiff shots to the face. And then she's kind of like all dazed. And then he's like, all right, this is going to hurt. And then you kind of drugs her. And then that's it. Is that like his catchphrase or something? I guess. MJ, she comes to the house.

And then when she goes charging in, well, she gets to the house to Helen's house or apartment. And all the lights are out. And she doesn't really know what's going on. she finds one of the the cops dead so she gets his flashlight and then she kind of radios

for backup hey we need backup at whatever whatever house and then she goes in and she finds that other no no just that one

she just finds that one cop in the hall dead but she sees blood right in front of the door and then she goes in and look around and then did she find find something that said turn me on

or did she walk past okay it was the watch me or something yeah I think it was the if I'm remembering right it was her lecture or whatever thing she was speaking at with the Darry thing that happened in the beginning

yeah so and then oh it was a video of um Foley well we see hell in there and then he comes oh hey and then he starts talking and telling her if you're smart enough uh you don't know where

we're at because uh we see helen she's dressed up in that red uh her red suit yeah good time she's up to yeah yeah good thing because this guy was he was going for detail with the where this is a crime scenes so um mj kind of figures out that all right uh this is this is where he's at and this is where helen is so she starts going to going over there, but she calls like the captain or whatever, and he's like, don't you go in there without help, you stay there. It's

an order, and she's like, all right, I won't. And then she gets to the hall and I know San Francisco kind of good, but where she was driving and where they ended up is not the direction she was going, but anyway.

So she gets there, she gets to the hall, she's looking around, she's kind of walking down the hallway, and she realizes what's going on. She goes to the bathroom. And then before she actually gets there, Helen wakes up. And she's, was she on the toilet or was she already hanging there? She was already hanging.

Oh, yeah, because, yeah, that's when he's got the, he's got that other cop laying there on the floor the way the, Darry Lee had the cop that he killed the slid his throat lane on the floor in kind of position because he's like, how is he looking? Was he looking this way? Was he looking that way? And I'm pretty sure rigor mortars had already set in on these guys. But he was moving the head like it was nothing. So that's when he starts talking and telling her that

yeah, this was my plan. This was what's going on and he basically going to kill her, but he wanted to do it, of course, because he was copycatting all these other kills. So, and he knew that MJ was coming. So, yeah, he had her hanging up there, but then she was like laughing, laughing around at him. No, no, that was before. No, no, no, that was after, because MJ showed up. And then when she comes into the bathroom, she walks in we see that cop lane there and then she sees uh helen hanging there uh from that pipe

and then she's like she starts looking around and then she goes over to uh i guess it's a supply closet and she like pumps a few rounds into that and then she opens it up and there's nothing in there but then this is when we realized that uh peter foley had a police uniform on it he was laying there where that cop was Oh no no no Before that After she walks over To the stall

She opens it And that's when she sees that cop That was killed There was one of the dudes It was at Helen's house She sees him in a stall And that's when Peter jumps up And grabs her

But all right There was a mistake in this When Helen MJ first walks into the bathroom and the camera kind of goes around and we see that dead cop laying there. It's the dead cop that was there first. And then she walks over like a couple feet and then shoots rounds into the closet and then walks back over and we see Peter laying there. Either he was ninja quiet and able to lift that guy. There must have been at least 200 pounds and then throw him into the next stall.

movie. Hollywood magic. Everyone, I was like, no. So yeah, that's what she sees that cop. That's when Peter jumps up. And then he goes into the, to the whole spiel and what Darrell said, hey, man, what are you doing with my gun? And he goes, all right, should I stick her? Should I shoot her?

Come on. And then while he's doing that, holding her. How does he know that? I don't, never mind. I did, this is what I was thinking the same thing. How did he know what Darry Lee said? I mean, nobody was there, but them two. So, but I assume she might have wrote it in a book or a police report or something.

I don't know. That's the only way I can think that he knew what happened. Or who knows, maybe it was in Darryl Lee wrote it in his book. I don't know. Those are the possibilities. Yeah. Okay, that makes sense now. Yeah, I assume maybe it was in Darryl Lee's book since he wrote a book.

And I guess you can do stuff like that when you're sitting in prison. But anyway, he, because Darryl Eagle, he got that cop because I'll just do both. Slid his throat and then shot him. Did he? Oh, no, she like, I think she stomped his foot or something. and then he kind of got away, then he shot her? No, she, he was about to,

I think he was about to do that and then Helen did the thing where she was trying to hang herself. Okay, it says, Foley ambushes MJ, rendering her unconscious. Does you knock her out? As Foley prepares to kill MJ, Helen desperately attempts to save her

by sabotaging Foley's carefully replicated crime scene, but only way she can by attempting to hang herself. All right. So. Yeah, because if she hung herself, that messes up his whole copycat thing because,

well, then again, no, it doesn't because Daryl didn't kill her. So whatever he was to do was, was not copying anything. I don't know. Because when,

I think he slammed her, he slammed him, he slammed into, like, into the mirror. Yeah. She, I think she got shot.

I think she got shot. Yeah, she does get shot. Because I think he goes, he goes in, to get Helen, and that's when I think MJ shoots him. But he shoots her back,

and she does that dramatic slow motion fall. And I think that's how the mirror gets broken. Yeah, because, um, he didn't get shot. until they were on the roof, but I think she fired him, I don't know, missed or whatever

because then he shot her, and then she goes crashing into the mirror. And then I think that's when Helen tried to hang herself. And then he's, ah, he's over there. And he was trying to get her down, but he couldn't because it's a cable. Then he runs over to the other stall, shoots

that cable, and it falls down and she falls on the ground and immediately takes it off her neck and starts breathing while she's laying there. Is nobody ever in this building? I guess not. Maybe he killed all the janitors as well. So when she's laying, Helen's laying her on the ground, he goes down in a picture.

She flips over and she has a big old shard of the mirror and stabs it in his, in his leg. And he goes, ah! Yeah, his reaction was funny. He starts screaming, then Ellen hauls ass out of there. And she's running around screaming, help. And then she, like, runs up the stair and ends up on the roof. Okay. real quick, I have another problem.

She's agoraphobic and can't leave her apartment. Yeah. Why is her agoraphobia, if I'm saying that correctly, not kicking until she gets to the roof? Because she wakes up and she's in the fucking bathroom where I'm assuming her

problems stem from, her mental breakdown she had. I was thinking the same thing. I was like, immediately as soon as she opened her eyes and realize where she was. She should go, ah, flipped out, but I don't know. So, because she runs down the hall and everything and runs up those stairs like it's nothing, but then when she gets to the top of the stairs and opens the door and looks outside, that's when it kicks in. And she's like, ah, and the whole world, so it's like it's turned insideways and everything.

But she's like, she sees him coming up the stairs, and he's like, F it. So she just runs outside, but she can only go. She's on the roof and can't go anywhere. So she's like standing there. And then the Foley comes out. And then he's getting ready to shoot her. But then she just like starts laughing hysterically. And he's like, what the fuck?

So he's getting ready to shoot her. But then MJ comes in and shoots him. And I think he spun around. And that's when he saw her. And then he was like, ah, hi. And then she shoots him and he takes it in the head. Why is she always trying to shoot people in the nerve so they can't use their arm? I don't know.

I mean, maybe that was the way she was trained. Keep them alive. So. Not this guy. I mean, he's murdered everybody. He killed, what I say? 11 people. Yeah, the only person he didn't kill was Rubin.

Yeah. So, yeah. he's dead and then evil is punished and I assume a backup came and had to deal with MJ and someone had to get Helen down off the roof

and back to her place but we go to to the prison and we see Darrell Lee and he's he's writing a letter and he was writing it to someone else one of his disciples telling him that

got many of them yeah that she's still alive or whatever and evil needs to be punished I can't remember exactly what he was saying but basically telling somebody else to go to go killer because it says sometime later Cullum writes another serial killer instructing him on how to kill Helen

and revealing that he had been aiding fully all along Cullen Wish's happy hunting partner to his new proxy and the mission to kill Helen. So that's pretty much what he was telling whoever this guy was. You think he ever got

those squirrel covers? Probably not, man. A lot's happened before that. I'm sure she about forgot. But I don't know the prison system dealing with the mail.

I know they, I guess they go through it before when it comes in. Yeah, they read your mail. They did not read your mail when it goes out? Not Darryly. No. Yeah, so I did like how this movie ended, though. I mean, with him after he's done writing a letter and does that nasty lick to seal the envelope.

But then he just stares at the camera as a credit star rolling. I like to that end him. And I did love that he was a one. I assume Foley reached out to him. and then he got in his head and told him to do all this. But overall, yeah, it sounded like we were bashing this movie. But yeah, I do love this movie. This is awesome.

Shout out to Brian here. If he didn't mention it for his cool of the week on one of the latest horror returns, I didn't even know this you're streaming. But yeah, I did not see this in a long time. Yeah, it was my cool of the week despite all the bashing. we did it. It's still an awesome movie, everybody. I loved everybody in it, what was going on. Just a lot of bad decisions in this. The budget was 20 million and it boxed off as $79 million. So yeah, it made more than his money. But yeah, that is a 1995's copycat.

All right, Brian, you're up. All right. Do you have AMC Plus? Yes, I do. Okay. This one, I don't think we'll go into full details about it because it's, it just released like this year. And that is, well, it says 2021, but I think it got a full release this year is Catch the Fair One, a new drama thriller. Have you heard of this movie? Catch the Fair One? Yeah.

I have not. The first I've heard of it. it stars i'm going to say her name wrong callie reese all right she is in real life she is i believe the first woman indigenous woman to become a world uh world heavyweight not heavyweight world uh championship boxer oh okay and she's essentially playing herself in this movie okay i i've heard of this but i didn't i didn't know the name of it Yeah, I believe it's on AMC Plus because I think it's an exclusive to AMC Plus. Okay. Well, all right, I have to check it out.

I do need to catch up on the Better Call Saul. Oh, weird. But yeah, catch the fair one. Yeah, come back next time and we'll run through that one. Probably won't be a short one. We won't because it's new, new, so we won't ruin it for you guys. Real quick, extreme. and pick.

Oh, this is also on Hulu. It was one of my recommendation on the last E Society. And this is the 19, the 95, oh, 1993. This is the Academy Award, winner, Whoopi Goldberg, Classic

Made in America. It also stars What's his nuts? Ted Denson, I like this synopsis. A young black woman, a young black woman discovers that her father was a sperm

donor, and if that weren't bad enough, he's white. You got seen the movie. Yeah, it's got a Academy Wardwoman Whoopi Goldberg, Ted dancing Academy Award winner Will Smith Nealong

Paul Rodriguez The Beautiful and very young Jennifer Tilly and a bunch of other people I like this movie I love this movie because it was shot in my hometown in Oakland and when I was living in Berkeley they actually shot some of it down the street

from my house the African Queen where Whoopi Goldberg worked or where her store was that was down the street from my house. And I actually got to see them film some of it. I saw some of them film that stuff with Whoopie when she was going into the store. And I saw them also filming some of the stuff at the parking lot, Hal Motors downtown

Oakland. Downtown Oakland. It was like right across street from the Oakland Museum. I saw them film some of that stuff. If you guys seen the movie, it was a part when Ted Denson was riding an elephant. It wasn't him. but I saw the stunt guys riding down the street. So that was really cool.

And shout out to my friend Marcy. She's in the movie as well. She's in the very beginning when they're at school, what they shot at, Oakland Tech. But yeah, check out Made in America. Mine is going to be 2021's Shutter exclusive, super host. Basically, it's two travel vloggers. They go to like vacation rentals.

and review them and they not got to spoil the movie, they go to the wrong one and the person that's renting it is super crazy and that actress, I believe her name is Gracie Gillum I thought she was

fantastic in it especially her playing just psycho crazy person I think if anything you should watch it just for her performance so that one's on Shutter or if you have AMC Plus. Well, if you have

AMC Plus, you have shutter. So that's my recommendation. Real quick about that. One of my friends said not all the shutter stuff is on the AMC Plus thing. No, no, I'm sorry. That's what the Amazon add on.

Yeah, if you got if you got shutter through Amazon, not all the stuff on shutter is going to be there for some reason. Yeah, that's why I got all of but I had sugar

before I had some of the other stuff I didn't know it was all on EMC Plus until I looked at it Shout out to Lance But All right everyone New East Society episode is up So

Episode 252 So go check that out It's the Zisu show Because I really didn't have much I didn't really watch anything I answered some of the stuff That he was dealing with And plus I kind of ran through my

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