The Horror Returns - THR Presents: Stream Fiends - Ep. #44: Insidious Chapters 1 & 2

Episode Date: August 4, 2023

This episode Brian and Nez take trip into the Further with the first two chapters in the INSIDIOUS series.   Join the THR Presents: Stream Fiends Facebook Group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/3860579827402429 Follow THR Stream Fiends on IG: @thrstreamfiends   Join The Horror Returns Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns Check out everything Horror Returns at: https://thehorrorreturns.com   Join The Action Returns Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/841619946357776   Follow The Action Returns on IG and Twitter: Instagram: @theactionreturns Twitter: @action_returns    Intro Music by Mixla Beats Productions https://www.mixlaproduction.com

Someone was awake in the house. I went into Dalton's room. There was something in there with him. It was standing there in the corner. Asked it, who are you? And it said, it was a visitor. I said, what do you want? It said Dalton.

I can still hear that voice. Welcome everybody to another episode of THR presents stream feeds. I'm your host Brian. And of course, always with me is my brother, Ness. What's up, man? Yo, man, what's going on, everybody? All right, here we are.

We did give you two action returns in a row, so instead of giving you two stream fiends in a row, we're going to give you two movies because this, it was like one big movie split into two. The makers of paranormal activity and saw. I went into Dalton's room. There was something in there. It's not the house that's haunted.

Oh my God! It's your son. Insidious. In cinemas, April 29th. Initially, we were just going to do the first insidious, but then Brian goes, you know what, let's do the second one. And I'm glad we did, because I did not remember the second one at all. But it got me kind of pumped to watch the third in the, no, yeah, the third and the fourth one before I got. go see the

fifth one you don't need to watch the fourth one the last key I liked the last key I know you guys didn't I liked it but yeah I was I remember the first one

because I saw that one a few times in the theater I think I only went and seen it because James Wong name was the directing this so I was kind of like all right cool so he started out strong and then he kind of fell off a little bit but he brought me back with um what was that crazy ass movie

oh wow shit mal not malpractice uh somebody's yelling right now yes someone's screaming it um fuck now you're looking at it started with the ebb Pulling it up right now.

Malignant. Yeah, there you go. He came back with that one. I think that was the last one that he directed. If I'm speaking right, I don't know. Yeah, because the only one before that that he directed was Aquaman. Because he's kind of transitioned over to produce. and running his own studio, not studio production company.

Yeah, so I mean, Aquaman, it was what it was. That one Fast and Furious he did, I don't know which one it was. It was, before I remember right, it was all right. But the first thing I had seen was saw. and then that other one with the dummy yeah that one

that one was creepy too I didn't even know he did that and death sentence I think we needed to do that one at some point I want Kevin Bacon I remember that one they were saying it was a horror movie but I didn't think it was but anyway getting off to something else but yeah

insidious and insidious chapter two the first film came out in 2010 and I believe the second one came out in 2013 but this first one again I only went to see it because James Juan directed it I had no idea what

it was going to be from the trailer just looked creepy and everything so I was all right cool let's check this out but it's also written by Lee Warnel who was one of the main characters in the first saw movie. Didn't you write that

one too? Yeah. All right. Which he's also in Insidious. He's one of the paranormal investigators. I think he's the one, I think his name is Spex, the one with the glasses. Yeah. Yeah. Him and Tucker,

those two were my favorite. Insidious. Parents take drastic measures when it seems their new home is haunted and their comatose son. son is possessed by a male violent entity. All right.

That was drastic measures. IMDB, a family looks to prevent evil spirits from trapping their comatose child in the realm called The Further. Okay. Directed by James Wan, written by Lee Wanel. And this stars Patrick Wilson, Rose. Is it Byrne? Is that how she pronounced is it? Okay.

Ty Simpkins, Lynn Shea, Lee Wannell, Anger Simpson, Barbara Hershey, the beautiful Barbara Hershey, Andrew Aster, Corbett Tuck, Ruben, Pla, Philip Friedman, and a bunch of other people in this film. But Brian, when was the first time you saw Insidious? I've seen this when it came out in the theaters I was impressed with what James Wan did with Saw

and found out that Lee Wannell was part of the writing team with that and also helped help write this one so I was like yeah I'll go check this one out and I enjoyed it then and I enjoy it now I think it sets the mood right the atmosphere with the

tone of the the lighting or the lack of lighting in some scenes and one thing that I really respect is the music it just hits right in certain moments

of the movie and I like the idea of what do they call it astro projection you leave your body and dreams and kind of leave yourself open to this world, which we come to find out as the further. And I thought everybody was good in it, especially.

I think the better performance for me in this one was Rose Byrne over Patrick Wilson. Yeah, it was mainly her in this one. In the second one, it was a lot of Patrick Wilson. Because we'll get to that. to it. So I was like, okay, I was all in on this first one. Again, I saw James Juan

was directing this, so let me go see it. And I remember seeing it the first time by myself, I went like right before work, and it was like me and two other people sitting in the theater and scared the hell out of me.

Especially the, the before the title comes up on the screen, because there's some eerie stuff that's shown in the beginning, and then it just goes, D-Hare! Super loud, insidious. I wasn't ready for that.

And it did it again at the end, and that was, I was like, okay, and then it just pulled me, hit me again. I was like, oh, man, those two times made me jump. But as the movie went along, I was like, all right, cool, this is, this is a good idea. This is a good story. I like Lee Winell's writing. He does a really good job with presenting who these characters are.

Don't give you too much background on each character because at this time, we didn't realize it was going to be a series of films. We just thought it was just one and done until you get to the end. And then the way it ends, you're like, oh, my God, it's going to be more. But didn't realize how when we were going to get it. we think you got what two two years later or three years later I did like that though I thought that was kind of funny it made me like because I watched these two movies back to back today uh you see especially um the main little kid uh Dalton

and and his brother Foster as well as um Angus Simpson Tucker he was kind of heavy set in the first one and I don't know how long how much I assume it's been, let's say, a week after the first events of the first film. And then he looked like super thin. Like he lost a lot of weight. And you clearly see the boys were older, as well, even the baby, because it was like a baby baby, their sister. And then she was a little older. She was still little, but she was a little older in this.

So shout out to Brian. Brian and Madison Bowie played the little baby. It was supposed to be a little girl. So I assume maybe you're twins. I don't know. And so I was like, okay. But then you just kind of got to put that out of your head and roll with it. But again, I didn't know this was going to be a series of films.

Maybe he wrote the story out in five films or maybe four films. or maybe four films three, I don't know, however many, but it seemed like these first two films was written as one big story, and then they chopped it in half. Wasn't sure how the first one was going to do,

because usually the studios wait and to see how much money this film makes. And if it makes tons of money, then, you know what, let's, all right, let's hit him with another one. Because that they usually do.

I kind of, if they would have just made this a single one and done, I kind of would have appreciated the way it ended. I thought it was going to be a one and done, but it just, at the time, I was thinking, well, there's more, or is that it? Because I was thinking if that was it was this first show. Yeah, I'd have been, I'd have been fine with it. But then a few years later, when we get a trailer for Insidious Chapter 2,

and I was like, oh, okay, because I know I had to rewatch the first one, before I went and saw the second one again, so I knew what was happening. I only saw the second one, like, once in the theater, and I think I bought it and might have watched it one time again at home. But it's been a while since I, it's been a while since I've seen any of these films. I think the first, this one I watched the most, twice in the theater, and then however many times on Blu-ray and all that. and then the other ones, I think I only watched them like the one, one time. I know I watched the second one, one time in the theater, and then when I bought it. And then the three and four, I bought both of them.

But I just saw it those one times in theater. I don't even own four. That's so much I love that one. Really quick. The third one, I wasn't in. a really good place in my life. It was like right after my son had passed. Not right after, but it was still, it's still with me.

It's still bothered me today, but I've learned to deal with how to get myself right. But there was a scene in that one that really got me. It was when Lin Che, it was her husband had passed. So she was like laying out his sweatshirt or, or his sweater or whatever before she was going to bed. So basically she slept next to it. If I remember right.

And that part got me. And I just remember, oh, just sitting in the theater. This is a fucking horror movie. Why am I crying? But it was a tough scene for me to get through because I was like that for a little while. I had one of my sons' sweatshirts that I slept with. and it's still right next to our bed

but I was like holding it all night sorry I didn't mean to bring this up but but it was that but that part I remembered it the most I don't even remember the movie the other thing I remember about when I saw the third one was

I was the only one in there I saw it in Sacramento I don't know where my wife my daughter were I think they went somewhere so I wouldn't seen something else. So I went in and I saw this. There was me and there was one there was a lady in there. She kind of sat

like she came walking in and sat like in one of the closer rows to the screen and then she kind of came back and said, excuse me and I was like yeah she goes is it okay if I sit in the row with you? I'm like

I don't care and inside I was like okay because I didn't want to be scared. She didn't sit right next to me. There was two bro seats in between us. And we kind of talked a little bit about the first two films and everything. She was, I just, I knew I was going to be the only one in here, but I saw you were in here. So I just wanted to, I'm going to be scared.

And I don't want to sit in a row by myself. I don't know, no, sure. Come on. So I need to watch the third and the fourth one again because I don't. I don't mind the third one. it's just the way the second one ended and what actress was revealed at the end of the second one, I would have liked for the third one to go that direction. But instead, they wanted to go with the prequel S.

I don't know if you noticed who the actress was at the end of two. Which, who? The little girl? the next case. Oh, was that what's her name? Wednesday? Yeah. Okay. Because I'm looking,

I was looking at the Google and it says Jenna Ortega is Annie. I was like, she was in this? Yeah, I know we're jumping, but it's just you get a young Jenna Ortega and then you get Lynn Shea's reaction of what she sees behind her. And then you don't even get that as the next movie.

Oh, I see that. Fuck, man. You make me want to see the ending. Which, uh, was she the little, little girl? Yeah. It was, uh, they came to the door with her parents. No. She was the girl sitting in.

She was the one in the wheelchair? Yeah, I think so. Sorry, everyone. No, I need to see that again. Because, uh, I thought it was, she was, she was one of the little girls. she had to have been the little little girl I don't remember her sitting

yeah she okay I'm on the scene right now she's the little little girl that came to the door oh okay because I was like no other girl seemed older and then you get that reaction of Lynn Shea just saying

oh no like she she you know spoilers what we're going to spoil it anyway is that Lynn Shea is a spirit by this part of the movie and she's scared of what she sees and then you just you just don't get that for the third movie or the fourth movie.

I don't. I thought they were all on Max but they're not. I know the third will. I have them but I don't have my movies in any kind of order. I think I just have them scattered about. for physical media collectors, I think as your collection grows, I think you just start putting them wherever you can. I mean, I started off as in kind of alphabetical order, but as you just buy them, buy them, buy them.

I mean, they're just started. In the studio, I got like stacks of them. I got like two stacks here on my desk. I got stacks over by my drum set. And just, it's a mess. everyone what are my friends wanted to come over and organize it all because she goes that's what she likes to do she's after race come on over i got this damn stupid-ass steel book you made me well you didn't make me buy it but you sent me a picture sitting right here next to my laptop uh skinnamarink

i didn't get it i was gun on what i didn't but i think i missed the boat sent me that he's i didn't want it. He sent me the picture and I bought it and I'm just like I'll never take the plastic off this movie. I'm kicking myself for missing the maximum overdrive one that Walmart. I didn't even know they had it but full one bank. Did you see all the, I know we're off the rails right now with the city is, but there, did you see the list coming out for Walmart exclusives? steel books no there's like over the next three months

there's like between like 10 to 15 movies Walmart is starting to since since I think physical media is going away like at Best Buy because I remember they used to have like rows and rows now it's just dwindling down to two aisles

two small aisles depending on where your Best Buy is but yeah it's I know Show factory, Screen Factory, whatever, they do it

and all these other ones that you got to order, but if you want to walk into a store and get it, I've noticed that Walmart is starting to, because I miss the, the John Wick for Best Buy,

and I went into my Walmart just to get whatever, and I was looking at the movies, and I noticed they had a steel book for John Wick 4. And I was like, what? So I just bought it

because I didn't want to miss it. The hell did I do? I don't know. See, that's how unorganized I am, everyone. I just bought it and I don't even know where I put it. But anyway, Insidians. Yeah,

we're just going to kind of zip through this one. We're not going to do a play-by-play because we're doing the two movies. But the story for the first one, man, it was good. It was just a family moved into this house and they I don't know how much

this Patrick Wilson Josh Lambert He was a teacher I don't know how much money he makes Because his wife Renee She was a home

A homemaker And They had a nice big house He's making decent enough money That later on in the movie When they pick up and move To another house

It doesn't seem to be That much of a stress I don't know. Like they had we'll just sell this house and they can go somewhere else to a smaller one. Because the first half they had was big. Yeah. And it was creepy and scary looking. So, but yeah, in this one, I mean, they move in, they move.

They're already living in their house. And then it just kind of starts. The younger son, he's starting to, or not, was he the oldest out of the two boys? Dalton. Yeah. Yeah, Dalton was the oldest. Is Dalton fostered? And then later on, they'd have a younger sister.

Because they kind of start to see things in the house. Well, the kids do. From what I've noticed and things that I've read and things that I watch, I don't know how true it is, but I've noticed that the kids are able to see things before. Kids and animals. One year older. Yeah. So you guys may believe in that.

you may not, but my kids have seen things, and I remember seeing things when I was little. But anyway, I said that's a whole other story or a whole other show. So, Dalton, they're in the house. I mean, they did just kind of move in there because it seems like they moved in and everything was already unpacked, but they still had stuff up in the attic. He went upstairs to, he heard something. So he went up into the attic, and then there was a ladder that he was just, trying to climb up to turn the light on, but then the stair broke and he fell.

And something scared him. And then he just, he kind of just fell. But then when he was screaming, his dad and his mom were running up there and they found him, and he was like, I'm all right. And everything seemed to be all right. I mean, at the very, very beginning, we do see, it kind of looked black and white. I really, really, really couldn't tell. but we see a young kid

sitting laying in a bed and then we see someone kind of lurking around in the background and Rose Burns character Renee she kind of experienced a little little bit of it

before Dalton had his accident because things would be moved around that she thought she unpacked and like books she thought she had put on shelves that she thought maybe the kids took them off the shelves and were messing with them, but then later come to find out they didn't touch the books and little stuff like that was going on. Because yeah, in that first scene, when the camera's going around, we see a boy sleeping,

and then we see the silhouette of, uh, look like a lady's head, but then when the camera rolls around, we do see, um, an old spooky looking lady holding the candle. and then we get the insidious scares the hell out of you so I mean I love the beginning because they just show a lot of like black and white just still shots

of these houses and everything that's going on but yeah like like you said that the mom she's experienced like some kind of paranormal activity type of stuff but she doesn't she's not really thinking much about it and yeah because we're kind of just getting introduced to everybody who

Patrick Wilson is and his family in what he's doing and everything but the mom is starting to hear things like on the baby monitor she hears somebody talking but she's not really sure who it is

this scene kind of pissed me off just her slow reaction well they got to build it up I mean us father hurts something like that out of it and running up in there but me i'm watching the scene right now because her daughter is upstairs in her room in her crib and she is down on uh in the living room still

unpacking stuff i'm sorry i mean to each is on on how you raise your kids uh mine even my grandsons when they were babies they were always in the same room with me no matter what i was doing so but I don't know I mean if they were taking a nap I'd have them all set up on the couch I wouldn't have them in the other room well when they got much older yeah but this was still a baby baby but that's me everyone I mean not telling you how to parent so but yes things are slowly happening they're not really sure well what is happening but then Dalton he he falls and then he ends up going to sleep and then they don't really know

what happened because the next morning when they get up they're like hey everyone's down in the kitchen and they're just getting their day going oh no no let me go back a little because I think this is when is this a scene? Yeah

they're all laying down getting ready to just go to sleep. No, I'm sorry. I'm jumping ahead. The kid that he falls first before anything happens. And then because when he his dad goes in to check on him

because everybody's up and they go, where's Dalton at? Oh, he's probably still asleep. So he goes upstairs and tries to wake him up. But then he can't wake him up. so he's like what's he did they don't know what's happening so they end up taking him to the hospital and they're saying that

he's in a coma he doesn't have any yeah go ahead he doesn't have any kind of brain damage or any kind of nothing the doctors have no idea what

what's happening why he's in a coma and they're just more well is he going to wake up and they're like I we don't know only because they don't know what's wrong with him. So I don't know how long

he was in the hospital, but then they just ended up sending him home and he was set up in his room to the heart monitor thing and he had some IVs dripping in probably just to keep him hydrated and keep it.

It jumps like three months. And also they had they had like a food tube in his nose so that's what they were doing but then one day Renee's downstairs she's a songwriter so she's just kind of fiddling around trying to come up with her next song but she starts to hear things on the baby monitor they're kind of unclear but every now and then something would come out really clear on what it was saying but she wasn't really sure she started walking around the house trying to just figure out what what the hell it is but then all of a sudden you just hear this loud voice scream and then she goes running upstairs to uh check her baby and her baby's all right and then she's just yeah because everything seemed to be happening to her yeah because the dad he was he was at school all the time because he's always telling her that he had to um work late in great papers.

But he seemed to be avoiding coming home. Yeah, he just like didn't want to be there. The oldie, the other son, he was talking to his mom at bedtime one time, and he was kind of telling her, mom, do you think we can switch rooms? Because he doesn't like that room because he said he doesn't like seeing his brother walk around at night. And she's like, what? and he's like yeah he's oh you you're probably just dreaming

because little boys like okay so he gets up and later later that night he's starting to hear things and he he can look down the hall because his doors open and he can see his brother laying in his bed

and what the hell is this kid's name Fulton yeah I remember those days because I have I had a house like that that I lived in that if my bedroom door was open at night and that hallway just looked dark

and I hate to bring it up. Skinnerbraink that's seeing with the endless hot and dark hallway. Yeah. Kind of reminded me of that. I don't know. I mean during the summer I have to sit on the couch because the swamp cooler

that's where you get the most air. Where my chair is, I don't even feel that cool, cool, swamp, cool air. So at night when I'm watching TV, I was watching when I was watching this. No, not this one. I was Skinnamarink. All right, we're going to bring that one. I was sitting there watching that.

And I had the air on one night. And I remember just being creeped out in the cold air. No, I was sitting in my chair first watching Skinnamarink. And then I was all hot. And I was like, oh man, it's getting hot, so I had to go over to the couch. But then watching that movie and getting freaked, freaking myself out with all the, what was happening, when nothing was happening, really. Your peripheral vision, you see it out in the hall.

And I know your eyes play tricks on you, and you start to see things. And I hate, I hate that. But it's either sit there in my chair and sweat or be nice and cool on the couch. But anyway. And a little boy, he's hiding. He's kind of hiding in the closet. And then he hears something and it kind of freaks him out. The mom and their, the mom and dad are in bed trying to talk just about what was happening.

And then all of a sudden they started hearing someone knocking on the door. I like this. When we get to the second film, I was like, oh, man. It was blowing my mind. we might as well just blend these all together yeah like you said in the beginning it's both movies are one story

yeah and they see they if you watch them and like right after another they they blend together certain scenes in the second film blend into this one because on the scene that's happening right now that I'm talking about when someone was knocking on the door

um what the hell's his name Josh Patrick Wilson he goes goes downstairs to check. He's looking, he kind of goes, who is it? No one answers. He looks out the windows with a flashlight. Nothing, nobody's out there.

I did notice that he didn't even lock his door. He just opened it. And now me, I go and check every single door, sliding door, everything before I go to bed. Because sometimes my son, he just shut the door, doesn't even lock it. so but so yeah so he's uh he's checking no one's outside he sets his alarm he goes back upstairs and uh he's talking to his wife and everything but then um all right we're gonna jump to the first to the second one in that scene when he goes down and opens the door what i what i love in the second film um patrick wilson's character josh he gets the in the

And his son gets, what the hell is his name? Dalton gets stuck in the further in the first film. In the second film, Josh gets stuck in the further. So what he was trying to do, he was trying to get back to the reality, to the real world. So what he was doing is he was the one that was knocking on that door. Yeah. And he was the one that opened the door because when Patrick Wilson goes upstairs and then he hears the door open or he hears the alarm go off. So he runs back downstairs and the doors open.

And in the second film, that's how Patrick Wilson and the dude he was with Carl get into the house. So I was kind of like, ah, I mean, I remember seeing in the theater going, oh, damn. And they do show you that scene again from the first film. And I was like, because I was always. I just figured, like watching this first one, I just figured it was a spirit or something or one of the evil things that was trying to get them. So I liked what they did there on how a, what we see in the first film with this kind of unexplained, we see it is some of it is explained from the second film. So I was like, oh. In the first film, you come to find out that Josh has the ability to astro project.

himself out of his body, you know, his consciousness into like the further other, I guess, dimensions and stuff like that. And he's also passed his ability off to his son, Dalton. And that that's where Dalton goes when he, he goes to like these different places. Because I think he mentioned about seeing stuff that he thought was dreams and stuff like that. yeah because he he wasn't sure i mean and uh josh his dad wasn't even he wasn't even trying to hear it he was because his wife was telling him come on this is this is all happening and you're you're not believing us you're not accepting what's going on because yeah like you said he was

like act like he just didn't want to be at home he was finding reasons to just stay at work Yeah, he was asleep in the damn classroom. Yeah. This scene right, this part scared me, though, because when Patrick Wilson was downstairs investigating someone knocking on the door, Renee hears something. So she walks over to her daughter's room, and when she goes in there, she sees that there's like a,

not a veil or something, kind of like a veil curtain type of thing that's behind her daughter's crib. Because I think she heard her daughter laughing or crying. I can't remember. Because when she walked, the camera's following her and she walks in, she comes around the corner and goes into the room. And we see somebody standing behind that veil curtain. And then she just, ah, she started screaming.

And Josh comes running in. And she's like, what was they turn on the light? There was somebody standing right there? And he's like, I don't see anyone. And she's like, oh, my God. And that was the. the long-haired fiend played by Jay LaRose, who is

a Navajo actor. Yeah, so I was about to say. And in the second one, we see that scene again because Patrick Wilson, Josh, he was the one that was knocking on the door and he was the one that got in.

So when he goes in, he ends up going upstairs, him and Carl, and they go into the they show the scene again with the baby and the mom, or Renee screaming, and they go in there, and they start fighting that dude,

because he's in there. And that guy, he's just beating up Josh. Josh is beating him up. And I was like, I was like, watching this today, I was like,

I just totally forgot this whole film. But I was inside, I was like, whoa, I was just like, damn, this is awesome. I love what they're doing here.

With their, explanations. Because, yeah, there was no explanation for, for that character. We see them later on and again.

They kind of do explain some of the stuff, the little apparitions and everything that were going on in the first film and the second film. Yeah. It was man. Go ahead. Go ahead. No.

I was going to say they mentioned that they don't want to be, they want to be, they want what the living have, which is life. And so they kind of are drawn to stuff like, you know, astro projectors, people, you know, that it's

a way out for them of the further. Yeah, because they're just lingering around. Because Lynn Shea says it, she's like, this is the place we go before we go where we're supposed to be. I don't know, be it heaven, hell, or whatever,

whatever you believe in. That sucks. I know. I wouldn't want to go there. You got to be in the further and just wander around. No way. That was too much scary shit was there. I'd rather just go where I need to be. I don't want to be lurking around there.

Because all those people, first and in the second film, all the people that were in the further were just scary. I didn't like the ones that sit there. And then all of a sudden, the next thing you know, they'd be smiling. Yeah. Just like, if you got to be in the further,

you got to move all freaky. Yeah. I don't even know if there was any good people that were the further because everybody seemed like they did something horrible. Yeah, because that one scene when, um, when Josh goes in the further to get his son jumping to the end, uh, when he goes to get Dalton, he goes into that house. It's their house, right? The house, the house that we're in.

Oh, where he finds out a murder took place. Yeah. I was like, I want to know. I hope they disclosed that when he bought the house. Yeah, because he goes into the, into the, He goes into the living room. We see a mom. Was that the nun?

The lady that played the nun? That was the mom? I know her name is Bonnie Arons. And I do not see her in a cast list. I thought that was her. Whoever. Because when he goes into the room, he sees a mom.

She's like ironing or something. and then sees a dad sitting there reading the paper and another daughter just sitting there on the couch. And they're looking all creepy. Then he kind of walks into the other room and he sees another girl standing there with a rifle. And then he kind of walks away. Then he hears a gunshot. Then he goes back into the living room. and we see

the mom sitting on the couch with a bull, all three of them are sitting on the guys with a bulls and I was like, okay, was there no explanation for this? See, what I would like to happen because they're supposed to, they announce that they're doing a spinoff movie for Insidious

called Threads in Insidious Tale. I would like for it to be like these little stories like this. To explain each. Yeah, I mean, I don't know that if that's, that's kind of what I want. I would like for it to be like an anthology movie. So you get these little stories like this and the, well,

when we get to the second movie, that background of that, that story. Oh, okay. Yeah. But that was a lot of, stuff that a lot of stuff that was unexplained going on it. Well, the things that we saw on the screen, we didn't know.

They explained some of it, but they didn't explain all of it. So, because I want to know who this long-haired guy was. It was trying to get the, I think he was just trying to get the baby because he wanted life. Because they were saying that's what they do. They try to get you so they can basically body swap. so they can still be alive. Yeah, that'd be crazy if he body swap with that baby. And then what do you do?

You got to wait forever to do anything because you're a baby. I mean, I'm sure it's better than the further. Yeah, I can get to walk around and it's scary dark. But, um, so all the, I mean, all kinds of craziness is still going on in the house, but they're not really sure because Renee goes, she, uh, the nurse comes over one day and she's kind of checking on him making sure everything the vitals are all good and everything but then she

um she hears or no she uh she's checking him and she kind of moves the sheets and she sees uh blood by his foot on the sheet so she just she's like what the hell is this so she kind of pulls the sheet out from under and it's a bloody

handprint so she's like what the fuck and there's the look she has on her face and then we go back to Josh and he's at school sitting in his desk asleep. And so she kind of calls him and what do you, where are you? He goes, I'm at work. What do you think? Great and papers.

Yeah. So he comes home. She's sitting on the porch trying to like, come on. Where are you? You're not, you're not here. I thought she was kind of thinking out of her. Is there something going on or you creeping somewhere? but she's she's she's like far from her mind she's just like you're you hear but you're not here

and she goes because i'm scared and he's like well i'm scared too and he's i'm scared for our son and she's like she's not hearing what he's saying he's just coming up with excuses because all all the scary shit this happened so far on this film is happening to her she's seeing it all and he's yeah he's still i think the most he saw was uh someone knocking on the door door and opened it. That was it. That was all he had seen. But she's seeing way more because she is in the house. But she's starting to think it's the house and we need to get out of here. But Patrick Wilson is kind of just, eh, all right, man, whatever. So he's in trouble. So he's got to, he's sleeping on the couch tonight. But he starts to have dreams.

And he doesn't know what it is. But it's stuff that when we get to it later on. The mom, she kind of wakes up screaming because we see something. We see Dalton Lane there. Then we see a window behind them. And we see these handprints on it. So she doesn't know what the hell is happening. So she kind of has a nightmare.

She wakes up. But when she wakes up off to the side of her out the window, we see some, this part freak me out the first time. we see somebody walking back and forth. I assume there's a balcony outside her bedroom window. And she doesn't, the audience sees whoever it is walk by a few times. And then she finally notices it. And then she kind of glances over there.

She's looking. And whoever this person is is walking around back and forth. It was a good effect because he walks by. We clearly see that he's outside. But when he walks by again, he is in the house. And she's, ah, she starts flipping out. It's the long-haired guy that she saw earlier in her daughter's room. So she starts screaming and Josh goes running upstairs to see what's happening.

See, I like what he does. He at least turns the lights on when he's running into rooms, not just running in the dark like most of the movies are. Nobody turns the lights on. So she's trying to explain. him I saw that with somebody in the room there was somebody out there and he's like well there's nobody here I mean I don't I don't know what to tell you

but she's like just begging please believe me believe me and he's like there's nothing here and do you think whatever they did to him when he was a kid just made him not give a fuck anymore because that's what it seems we'll get to that later on but I'm asking

yeah I think because he really I mean throughout the movie our whole time seeing him he just seems to be kind of out of it and not not wanting to deal with

anything yeah I mean he's I think he gets spooked out when he's around when something happens but he's not around for majority of the stuff going wild before he

I assume he just took vacation from his work so I think you might be on to I think because of what was done to him in the past, I think that part of him that wants to believe, it's being like, what's the word suppressed? Yeah. Because he just doesn't, he just doesn't seem to care. I think that's probably why what they did to him. We'll get to that in a minute.

So she, she's like, it's his house. We need to get out of it. And he's kind of like, all right, all right, we'll get out of here. So I don't know how long after this. I assume this was maybe weeks because they ended up moving out of that big house into a much little smaller house. I don't know where this is all taking place. I assume somewhere in the L.A. area. So, but Josh's mom comes over.

She's helping him out. Barbara Hershey. She's just trying to do her thing. And Josh is still at school. are still at work. Renee's trying to talk to her mom where's her name, Lorraine.

And she's just kind of she ain't, she ain't really having it. But she's just like, well, whatever. It's just maybe stressed from their son, the one in his condition. But this part creep me out. I caught it the first time

though. When she's walked, she's kind of cleaning the house and she's walking through. She walks, through the laundry room and sees that little she doesn't see it but the audience sees it I caught it the first time

and I went and I remember somebody went what? I think of the road behind me I wasn't sure because you can't rewind it but it was a little kid with a hat on like old

kid from the 20s or whatever and he was facing the wall. I don't know how she didn't see it because she's what? Maybe four feet away and I'm pretty sure you could see if there was somebody standing there. Not spoiling anything but in the new one, there are those moments that you got to look for.

Okay. Because there was one moment where somebody in my audience caught it and all you heard was man what the fuck she's got a record playing I don't know what it is but then she kind of goes outside to take the garbage out but then the music changes and it's Tiny Tim's tiptoe through the tulips

whoever picked that song picked a good song because that shit was scary rest in peace tiny Tim but I've only known of him because of I listened to Howard Stern back in the day, and Tiny Tim was always on the show. And yeah, they made fun of him and everything, and he would sing his songs. And I didn't know the gentleman, but he was weird.

I think the weirdest thing that he had said when he was on Howard Stern is when he brushes his teeth. He gets toothpaste and crest was his brand. And he smears it all over his teeth and then lets it dry. before he brushes it off. And I was thinking, how fucking long do you have to keep toothpaste on your teeth for it to dry?

To get your teeth dry, you would have to have your mouth stay open, right? Yeah, I mean, if you guys don't know who Tiny Tim is, he did have hit a big mouth and a big set of choppers.

But yeah, you got to keep your mouth open. I don't think I could do that unless he had like a blow dryer or something. I don't know, but that was that. That was the story he said. He was, he was something else. Rest in peace, tidy Tim. But anyway, so when I'm sitting there watching it the first time,

and when I heard that song, it just fucking made the goosebumps on my arms and just made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I was like, whoa, what the fuck? Because when she drops the garbage off, she's looking through the windows and she sees that little kid

standing by the record player dancing to scary ass song and she's like what the fuck she walks over and looks and sees him standing there and then she goes running in the house and then she kind of from one window

she runs to the next window and he's not there anymore so she runs back into the house and she's looking around the camera's going all over the place she uh goes through there's a like the door that goes into the kitchen it kind of just closes uh by itself so she walks over to check out to see what it is and then when she goes over to the door that little kid runs by and she's and he's laughing and she's like oh fuck this part creep me out too she's looking down the hall and at the very end of

the hallway i didn't see it uh i the first time. She's looking at one of those big, tall grandfather clock or whatever. And she's looking at she doesn't see it. And if you don't look close enough, you can't see it either. But she's looking down the hall. And then that little kid was standing in

front of the clock and then runs it into the room. I don't know about you, everyone, but if I saw some little kid running in my house, I go grab my baby and run out of the house. Oh, man, F all that. Good. Because she starts looking around. She goes into the boys' room.

And she's looking around. She doesn't see anything in there. She goes into another room. And the rocking horse is rocking. So she kind of just goes and looks and then it stops. And then she goes, she hears the kid laughing. So she walks into another room and there's like a, it's a Dalton's room. She's looking around in there and there's like a, I don't know, a wardrobe or whatever.

It's got the big doors on the top and on the bottom there's like a little curtain. And she sees little shoes sticking out of the bottom. So she walks over there to see what it is and she kind of moves a little curtain and it's just somebody's shoes. but when she does that, the door, the doors for the wardrobe open up and that little kid jumps out laughing,

looks all creepy and runs out of the room. I'd have pushed my son's bed right out the door. I picked him up for something. They grabbed my baby and left. Yeah, she should have been calling Josh to tell him to explain that.

We moved houses. Shit's still going on. So he's just like, she's she's lost it so she's like fuck so he Josh comes home and Renee is sitting there on the couch with a priest and he's just kind of letting her know what's what's going on I assume he just couldn't find anything but Josh's mom is there Barbara Hershey she's there so they're just trying to figure out what what is happening and Josh is still not believing what's going on and she's Renee's like come on this it's happening again he's like

what you should you made us move that at a house we're in a new house this is like now it's it's it's it's happening still so Josh is just sitting there like man whatever until his mom kind of chimes in and says uh yeah this is uh what's happening is real and it's happened before because she says I've seen it myself. So she starts to kind of explain, tell them a story that she had a dream that some bad shit was going on and it was taking place in the house. Because she's big. Then we see her walking around and she's starting to see things as well. I assume this is the mom's daydream.

So she's not sure what it is because she's. So did the mom have some type of ability? Um, maybe. I'm, I'm not really sure because I, for me, I just kind of figured it was a dream because when she goes, she's telling him, she goes, I walk into this room into Dalton's room. She sees Dalton laying there and then she sees something standing in the corner. And it's, um, this is what I called him. It looked like Darth Mall. He was standing there in the corner with, she said he had long nails. And then she asked. I asked him like, what do you want? And then we see this figure just point, you know, and this creaking points at Dalton. And then she's just kind of just flipping out like, oh, fuck. She doesn't know what's going on.

So Renee's sitting there scared out of her mind listening to this story. The mom is looking down telling the story. And Josh is just sitting there like he doesn't, he doesn't believe any of this shit. And then she's just kind of just saying that, yeah, she goes, I can't tell. She said she can still hear the voice and she hears creaking and she looks up at Josh and that demon. The Darth Mall guy is right behind him. I remember the first time I saw this and the gals that were in the theater just, I just screamed out a lot.

I probably would have jumped if I was the only one in there, but them screaming made me jump. I guess it's called the lipstick face demon all right played by Joseph Bush Bashera he looked like

Darth Ma anyway um yeah so she sees the demon and just flips out when I went and went and seen this the second time with my wife and my daughter

I knew it was coming I was just kind of sitting there and I was looking at them and both of them, they didn't scream. They don't scream anyway. My wife will every now and then, but both of them jumped. I just started laughing. But so after she sees that demon and she like flips out and the mom,

ah, she's starting to just doesn't know what to do because she screamed and jumps up. But then all of a sudden they start hearing banging going on. uh like just like something's getting wrecked so they all go running over to dalton's room and they can't get in there because the door's locked or whatever so they're just trying to open it and then he just he just breaks the door down and when he goes into the room it's like the room is excuse me the room is thrashed and dalton is laying on the floor so because it's just like everything was shredded we do see some red bloody handprints on the

sheets and the sheets are all shredded up and they don't know what's happening so Renee is like just begging like please please can we can we do something and then

Josh's mom, Moran she kind of like I know someone we can call so this is when we bring in Spex and Tucker I think these guys

these two guys are awesome every scene they were in they would just steal the scene so let's get a spin-off movie of them yeah they show up with all their ghostbuster gadgets and they did today explain to her yeah we're the

pre-team we come in and check everything out to make sure before we call in the big guns so they start walking around with all the little gears and the little gadgets and gizmos checking out I think they were looking for like electrical current and static

and stuff because every time they were getting readings and stuff and the Tucker he had a little thing he made and it looked like a of one of those thing of view masters

those you guys remember those he's walking around and it's got different colors. So when he's looking around down the hall, he's flipping around one. And because he kind of got a reading on one of his things. But then when he starts flipping the view, viewmaster to see he gets to kind of a white color. And there's these two ladies standing in a hallway, like peeking around the corner in white dresses. he sees them really quick and then they then they smile and he he flips out and runs into the other room and goes all right man we need to call her so they don't he doesn't really say what he sees he just knows that something's in this house and we need to get a lease there and this is when we're introduced to lynchay's character basically what was the little gal's name and poltergeist

fuck picture her someone's yelling it tangina yeah so basically her I assume Elise is a medium you get

because she's the one right she got it she shows up and lets them know what's going on and she's telling them she starts to kind of

walk through the house and feel what's going on in the house because she she does start to see things but they go into Dalton's room and she has specs

and she tells them bring your sketchbook so they're kind of like well what are they doing and Tucker's time look she's going to be talking to him and he's going to be drawing what she's seeing this was cool

this setup right here yeah she's standing there she kind of goes over to Dalton and just kind of gives him pat and saying he's going to be all right but then she slowly starts to look up and then she starts like whispering and saying things. I had to put the

subtitles on because she was kind of just mumbling but then it does say what she was saying and he's he's drawing as fast as he can and she's describing long fingernails red blood red face black arms black legs and he's just scribbling scribbling trying to draw everything and she's looking up into the corner

and everyone that he leads are um Josh and Renee are just like especially Renee she's just flipping out Josh is kind of just sitting there like is this shit real

he's not buying it so she's because when Elise is looking up into the into the ceiling it's it's like pitch black they don't know what it is but uh specs is just like

drawing like it's his last like this is his last thing he's going to do on her these drawing yellow fast Renee runs over to him and checks and looks at

the drawing and it's that demon with the red face and then she goes runs and turns the lights on and they look up at the ceiling and nothing's there so at least she knows what's happening and then she's just kind of telling them

they're like look um this is what's happening it's not your house it's it's your son and something is after him and he's fine he is his body's fine but he's his soul i guess his soul isn't isn't here she goes it's some it's someplace else that she likes to call the further yeah he he traveled way beyond dreams and went to the further he travel basically he he ended up traveling further than he's ever travel before.

Yeah, because she was telling she was telling them all that. Renée's sitting there believing every word of it and Josh is just sitting there like, yeah, this fucking guy, Josh. This is, I mean, I would have, if I was skeptical, I probably would have been more on board when my

comotos son's room was ransacked and destroyed with no explanation. But this guy's still like, come on, you guys are this is a scam. They would have had me with the door. The door opening.

I mean, how could it be a scam? When your mom's in on the scam, too? Yeah. But again, to me, I mean, I just came up with this right before, as we were talking about it. I think it was because what they did to Josh when he was a kid that made him not care. Yeah. just outright refusing to believe anything that has to do with this. Yeah, because, so yeah, at least is telling them what's happening.

But then Josh is like, you know what, this is bullshit. Get out of my house. And I don't want nothing to do with you guys. And he's just telling his wife, like, look, he's, he's all right. He's going to wake up. So let's just leave it at that. This is all bullshit. I don't know what to tell you.

And she's just like not happening. it and she kind of flips out and starts crying but uh at least and then the gang just kind of like all right hey well sorry to body you but um we're out of here so they kind of pack up all their shit and they end up rolling out this part was sad it kind of got me watching it this time he's um sitting there up with dalton in his room and he's kind of telling him just like come on man come on buddy i know you hear me just just just wake up, you got to show me that you're okay. And when he's talking, he's got, Josh likes to, or Dalton likes to draw. So he had all these pictures on the wall behind him.

And one of them falls off. And then he turns, Josh turns around to look. And he sees the pictures on the wall. And the one that fell onto the desk was the picture of that red demon. Because he sees him with the red face and it's all black around it. And then he kind of looks up at the other pictures. And he's as a picture of a red door. And then he sees another drawing of a, it looks like just a circle with eyes and there's a horse. And then he sees this picture that he drew of his whole family. And then he looks at another one.

And it's a picture of adult sleeping. It says, last night I watched myself sleep. And then the next picture over it says, and then I flew. way and then it's a picture of Dalton with a red cape on and he's flying around in the night sky and I think at this point Josh was able to realize that something is happening something he started to believe by looking at his son's pictures yeah this would have pissed me off if he still was like nah this is a coincidence it got me to because I was like okay did you guys not somebody had to put these pictures on the wall and had to have been most likely Renee

did when she looked at the picture that specks drew did she not like hey I've seen this before and run into her son's room or no they were in their son's room she could have hey that's that's this on the wall she could have she could have you know been just I don't know if the grieving is the right word or just, you know, in her feelings about what's the situation with her son. So she could have been just hanging pictures up, not really looking at them. Yeah, it was probably that. But she comes walking in and Josh looks over at her and just like, okay, bring it on. And then the next thing we get over, we see Lynn Shay kind of explaining to them what they're doing.

and Spex and Tucker bringing in all their gizmos and gadgets and cameras and everything basically telling them that we're going to have all these set up all over the house

and they're basically going to be doing flash taking pictures, video as well as it's going to kind of it's like their the Ghostbusters sensor stuff but she's telling

she's telling them that look this is this is what I'm going to do we need to go in there and look for him. So she kind of gets into a trance and everything, turns off all the lights and everything, and she's going to get into her little trans mode, because then she puts this like gas mask-looking thing on,

and it's got like a hose, and it goes over to specs, and he's got these headphones on, and it goes into his ears, and she said that, or no, Spex told him, goes, I'm going to tell you everything that she's saying. Because she starts, we can't really hear her.

She has that mask on it. It's kind of like mumbly. But then Spex is just telling her, telling everybody in the room that what's going on and what she's saying. Basically, just she went into the further and she's looking. I don't know if she went into the further, but she's like talking. like she's in a trance in the further

I don't know but they're all sitting around they're not really Josh is kind of still like I don't believe this but I kind of do

Renee's fully on board Tucker's in the background kind of doing his own thing but this far was kind of creepy though of her just talking to

whoever I mean don't believe it or you don't believe it that those what are they called psychics or whatever the do type of this type of stuff she i think lynchay's character is a medium and that's why she's able to go in and uh talk to the other side and everything so that's what it was uh going on she was trying to just talk to to dalton and he she was telling him that uh follow my voice uh if you can hear me and it was it was just a lot of a lot of that type of stuff and then all of

sudden all the um the lights and everything start flickering and flashing around and specs is still writing down everything that she said but it gets to a point where she's at they're asking i'm like well what do you want and he just starts writing like super fast and like just something to the nature of just don't let this bitch get you and we're after the horror or whatever he's just writing all kinds of stuff down and because what all the stuff that she's saying and then she's I assume it's Dalton talking because he's like mommy mommy help me help me and he's just writing it over and over and over and it's just getting more exciting or a faster and faster and then she's just kind of flipping out and doesn't really know what's happening.

And then I assume whatever spirit there was in there talking to her is starting to talk through Elise because she's saying all kinds of ill shit and he's writing it down all this talking about eat your soul and shit like that. so and again while all this is going on lights are just flashing and flashing and flashing and flashing and then all of a sudden they start screaming and she kind of just uh throws her head back and this gas mask so they're kind of trying to figure out what's happening lynch a lease is starting to see things because they're getting quick while these flashes are going on on the screen we start to see images of things and then at one point Dalton you hear his his little heart monitor that's on his bed.

You see if you hear it beeping and it's going faster and faster and faster than all of a sudden they're like flat lines and Dalton is standing there right in the middle of next to specs and his dad

and then they just scream ah but then Dalton's he sits standing there with his eyes closed and he just slams his hand his palm onto the table and everybody goes flying back and he starts throwing things around the room. He's all doing this with his eyes closed and the flashes are still going all over the place

and they don't know what the hell is going on. A door opens up in there like a closet. We see that little boy that was running around the house earlier and then there's two ladies standing there. Dalton starts swatting specs and he goes flying across the room. that one dude with the long hair, he shows up and he starts walking towards Renee

and starts grabbing her and they're ah, and Josh is fighting him. Elise is she grabbed Dalton and she's telling him like, wake up or whatever. And that one dude with the long hair is licking Renee in the face.

Yeah, I so want to know what his story is because he's kind of all over the place in this movie. Yeah, I want to know who he was what what was the meaning of his character in this other than just being some scary scary ghost that popped up

I mean all hell was breaking loose in this room and then all of a sudden the lights come on yeah she's just like all right there was a dog kind of just falls to the ground they're just checking him make sure he's still breathing and he's still alive so they start looking at

at all the camera footage of the stuff that was in there. And they're saying that they're not really, they're not getting anything on all those cameras they set up. But Tucker has a little, a little handy cam that he was filming stuff. And then he's showing specs and just telling them like, well, what do you see? So he said, he goes, look, man,

because I'm doing this frame by frame. And he freezes it on one frame. it's Dalton standing in the middle of the room when he was swatting and throwing everybody all over the room because he's standing there with his eyes closed but on the video when he freezes it we notice it's that that what they call the demon

lipstick demon lipstick face demon we see him it's all blurry he's standing behind him and he's holding Josh's arms so basically he was controlling him um Dalton like a puppet yeah

So he was throwing him around and we do see Because the Dalton does kind of explain to him What is he what he looks like? Because he said that he had hooves for feet and we see that his feet He's got like black hairy legs and he's got hoofs So they're still trying to figure out what What's happening here? What's going on? Why is this happening?

But then Lynn Shea's kind of like tunnel. Look, well, she figured out that they want Dalton because he can astro project, and that's what the spirits want so they can get into him to be alive again. But Josh's Bob shows up. She wasn't there for all this. She kind of shows up, and then she's kind of telling him, like, look, I think I know why this is going on. because she had been through the situation before.

And this is when she tells them telling Josh the story of this happened to you when you were little. And you were able to astroject and everything. That story we see in the beginning

of the second film. We see all of when Elise, a younger Elise shows up. I don't know who they actress was, but she had Len Shea's voice. And she was explaining to, because of some scary shit that was happening to Josh. Because she was telling him that, yeah, he was starting to, um, uh, pretty much do the same thing Dalton was doing and something was bothering him.

And then she didn't really know what it was until, um, she was taking pictures. And she started, she started to show him the pictures. she goes, I thought it was just the image messed up on the on the picture first, but as she's flipping through the, as he's flipping through the pictures he sees there's this lady,

his old lady standing in the background. We can, as audience, we can see it and it's all nice and clear. Yeah. Because she's like, well, I just thought it was I don't know, something in the lens. But as the pictures go on and on,

they just get bigger. And she's saying, He goes, yeah, as we started taking pictures, it was getting closer and closer. So we see the picture of this lady. One picture is it was like reaching for him. Yeah, I think that was the one was the closest. Because there was a picture of he's sitting there holding his dog and leaning into the front of his car. And we see that old lady sitting in the car.

And the next one we see he's standing there after baseball practice. And there's an old lady by the tree. There's a picture of him and his mom. And there's a glass door behind him. and that old lady is standing behind them. It's the lady in a black dress. And there's pictures. I mean,

I, if I was seen these pictures, I would have flipped out. First of all. But this is the first time Josh has seen it. And she's telling them, she's like, yeah,

it was just getting closer and closer to you. And then Renee kind of asked, do you remember any of this? He was like, no, I don't, I don't remember any of this. So they're kind of like,

well, well we did we we did something to you so you would forget this because i guess she said that was the only reason they did it uh basically put him and hypnotized him when he's a little kid and there i don't know if it was the first movie or the second movie but there was a drop line about how he never took pictures ever again after that because i guess there was a picture of him older and barbherstie's character uh what was her name Lorraine Lorraine

Yeah Kind of said I couldn't I can't believe You got him to stay still for a picture That was in in the first film Okay yeah so They just You know

Did the hypnosis and just stopped taking pictures of him after that Yeah because she said that they did that Because they were just trying to make him forget That's why they never She never showed him Those pictures but Lynn Shea or Elise was telling him like look your son can do this because he got it from you

you can do it too and he's kind of like I don't I don't remember how or how I did it or if I did it and they goes because we basically we put you in a trance when you're a kid and you basically forgot everything that's why he doesn't remember and that's why I wasn't bothering him

anymore. But since he passed it over to Dalton, he was able to do it. He was able to astral project. But he didn't know. He just thought it was something cool until he got stuck in the further. So what they told him was, all right, this is what you're going to do. You need to do it again. He's kind of like, I don't know if I can. So she's kind of just kind of putting him in a trance to let him know that, all right, just listen to my voice and all this. So he's just sitting there, all right, whatever. He closes his eyes and he's breathing. But then he kind of just gets up because she's saying some stuff to him. Basically listen to my voice and they got a metronome going.

So he's like, ah, this isn't working. And then he gets up and he walks over to one corner of the room and when he turns around, he sees himself sitting there in the chair. So I think at this point he kind of realized, all right, the shit is real. Yeah, we got all the way to this point. He's like, oh, okay. After he sees himself sitting there.

And then Lynch-Shay is still talking to him, telling him, all right, you need to go into the further and just listen to the sound of my voice and everything. So he, everything's all dark. He goes outside and he's got a lantern. And this is when he starts walking around trying to find his son. and this is when he goes to their house, the first house. And this is the scene when he goes and finds that family in there.

And then they end up getting killed. And then he walks around and he's still looking around. And he goes, does he go into the red door? Yeah. Yeah, he does. Because when he's walking around, he sees the red door. And then he has a flashback. And it shows the picture.

that his son drew on the wall. So he walks over to the door. And then he goes in. The one long-haired guy pops up again and he starts fighting him for a minute. And then he kind of just beats him up. While he's fighting him in the further, his body in our world is sitting there. And he's just starting to shake. And Renee's starting to flip out.

Like, what's happening? And Elis is like, like, they don't know what's happening, but they're like just basically let it run. ride out. He'll be all right. But Renee is just trying to just hold on to him and she's talking like what's going on. And back in the further, Josh is fighting that Indian guy. That's what I'm going to say.

He's fighting that Indian guy. Native guy for those of you that can get mad. Anyway. So he ends up beating the hell out of him. He like just because Elise tells him, he's like, look, you're stronger than him. you can defeat him. So he just running, pushes him with both hands, and he goes flying into the dark. So he goes into the door, and he's looking around, and he sees a horse that's walking around in there.

And then he goes back to the picture that's on a son's wall. And he goes into, like, this big room, and he sees his son sitting there. And then his son is chained up to the floor. And he's telling him, like, all right, he's telling him, like, all right, hey, I'm here, I'm here to help you. And he's kind of like, we got to be quiet. And he goes, what? And he goes, or he's going to see.

And then he kind of points. And then the camera kind of spins around. And it goes up and we see that red face demon. He's upstairs listening to Tiny Tim and sharpening his clothes. I want to know his backstory. Yeah, who is this? And why is he? why is tiny tim your song yeah i know he's after this kid but why i mean and why does he look this way i don't know

maybe he'll explain it later or something else but he's telling josh is telling him look man we're we're gonna get out of here so he kind of gets him out of the um out of his chains but then he kind of he's telling his dad like oh no look and he turns around in that demon is standing standing there looking at them with his little dragon tongue or whatever sticking out so josh kind of is looking around up at him and he sees him and that demon is looking down at him and then all of a sudden he turns around the demons right next to him and then ah they start fighting because he like roars or whatever and josh goes flying across the room so he's fighting with him for a while and then back in the real real world he's just kind of shuffling around

in his seat he ends up picking up his son Dalton and then they go running out of that red room and he goes out through the red door back into the to the further I don't do they explain and don't do they explain what the red door is and the the new one I'm not going to say all right well anyway so he leaves the red door and he goes back into the further and the day they basically told him look you need to find your way back to the house where you're at, where your body's at. So while him and his son, he's carrying his son and Dalton's holding the lantern, and they're just running through all these scary people,

all these dead, I assume they're just dead souls that are hanging out in the further. And back in the real world, everything is just shaking and everything is falling apart in their house. And they're not really sure on what's happening. and so Dalton and his dad are still running around all the power goes out at the house so Tucker and Spex

break out these big giant flashlight things and they're walking around the house looking to see just what's going on in there I don't know I wouldn't be first of all I wouldn't be walking around by myself I mean someone needs to come with me if I'm going to investigate

things. So Spex walks into the kitchen, it looks like, and there's a drawer open, and he walks over to it, like he's going to shut it. But then his hand comes out of it and grabs him. I would have flipped out right there. I would have just slammed that drawer. But he goes falling out of the room.

And Renee's still in the living room, and Spex is like, there's something in there, and he doesn't know what it is. But Elise is still like go check on Dalton because he's upstairs laying in his bed. So Spex and his grandma or Lorraine, they go running upstairs. Tucker's with him. But then when they go in there, they look at Dalton and he is sitting. He's laying in the bed, but he's like starting to move.

Tucker is kind of looking around in other rooms and he sees something and he starts screaming. So he goes running into the other room. And because he hears stuff on the, um, the baby monitor. Because it's starting to say all kinds of like static things. Elise is looking around. She doesn't know what's happening.

Tucker runs and gets a bigger flashlight. And he's running around the house. Uh, specs and grandma are still upstairs, uh, with Dalton. And they're just, Elise was telling them that they're,

um, The spirits are trying to cross over because they know that you're here. So this is when all held breaking loose in the house because there's like dead people everywhere. And Tucker's just there was some in the closet. Tucker's trying to just, I don't know, fight them off or whatever. But all of a sudden we see Josh and Dalton come running up to the house. They're trying to go through the front door, but the door's locked. so they go running around the back back in the house elise is screaming josh josh come back and all these dead people are just coming out of the woodwork

uh josh and uh dalton finally get in the house but then uh he tells dalton to go to go upstairs so dalton's running around looking around uh and he starts to see well he hears something and it scares them and it's the um the red face demon and he goes running into another room to hide. And this part was creepy too because when Dalton goes running down the hall, that demon comes running after him and it's crawling on the wall. But then when Josh is looking around, he confronts the old lady that was scaring him when he was a kid. He's looking at through a mirror or a window and he's telling him that,

you don't scare me anymore. Get away from me. go away, go back to hell. And he's just yelling at, leave me alone. And then we go back into the room. Renee's still trying to wake up Josh and Tucker's on the couch, scared, holding that big flashlight. All these people are just coming in.

Josh is still yelling at that old lady. And she starts to just fade away into the background. And then all of a sudden, Josh just wakes up. Because he's just like, leave me alone to that old lady. And then Josh, who wakes up for a gas with breath and he's awake. And then we go back up into the room.

And Tucker, or not Tucker, Dalton, he goes running into his room and he sees himself laying on the bed. And then all of a sudden he starts to move. So Tucker jumped into, or Tucker, Dalton jumped back into his body and he starts to wake up. So both of them are starting to wake up now. and all the little creepy things that were in the house are starting to disappear. So everyone's like, okay, they're all happy.

They all end up going back downstairs and everything. And they're just, these guys start packing up all their gear, talking about they're going to do this and that, and they're going to be famous with all their photos. But Elise is in the room talking to Josh, and he's looking at the pictures. And then he's, he's just starting to, uh, say things.

And then he hands, uh, he leads to pictures. And she like looks at him, but then she looks away or she's really starts to look at him like real like she sees something. And he's like, what? Well, what? And she's like nothing. So she reaches down to her bag and gets a camera. And Josh is still standing there. Uh, look like he's helping him pack up.

stuff and she snaps a picture and Josh just loses it like wow why did you do that and he goes why did you do that you know how it makes me feel and ah why'd you take my picture why then he rushes her and grabs her and just chokes her to death you thought everyone's in the other room yeah i was about to ask you did you think of a strange nobody hears none of this i mean i know dalton's in there eating spaghetti with two hands because he hasn't eaten regular food in months. But you'd think they would have heard this commotion going on. Yeah, I mean, she had to have been struggling at least.

And she's like, ah, I'm, De Nia, Denise. Renee comes walking into the room and she sees Elise sitting there. And she's just looking up and her mouth is open, her eyes open. and she goes running down looking for Josh. She doesn't know where he's at because she's like, Josh, Josh, she's just running around the house looking for him. I don't know why nobody turned the lights on.

I assume the power was out. So she goes back over to Elise and she's looking at her and she's just like, oh, fuck man, what happened here? She doesn't know. She walks over and she looks at the little camera that's on the floor

and she looks at the picture on the little viewfinder on the screen, and then we do a flashback really quick. When Elise reaches for the pictures from Josh, she sees an old hand, handing them the pictures. So that's when she looks at him and then looks up. That's when she gets the camera and takes a picture, and when it flashes, it's the old lady in black, the one that was scaring

Josh. And then she kind of, she sees that and she flips out. And Renee's like, oh, fuck. And then Josh is like Renee. And he goes, I'm right here. And she turns around gasps and sees. That's the end of this first film.

So what? Close your eyes. On Friday to 13. Oh, my gosh. There's somebody in this house. Who are you? Don't move. Don't run.

Don't breathe. There's someone standing in front of you. When Josh went into that other world, something else came back. He's told me to make me do it. Get out of my head! Insidious Chapter 2. PG-13 opens Friday the 13th. Awesome, awesome film.

But you had to see watch it the way I did right in order. I mean, right after another because I did watch the first one again before I went and seen the second one. And then so I was like, okay, so I was ready because the first one starts off. The next one, the second one, really quick. What does this say here? Soon after the showdown with evil spirits that possess their son, the Lambert's Renee and Josh are ready to,

ready for their lives to return to normal. However, something's still seriously off, especially with Josh, who unbeknown to Renee is possessed too, in the order to free Josh's soul and finally defeat the male violent forces around them. Lorraine Lambert and her ghost hunting friends

investigate the past to save her family's future. again directed by James Juan and Lee Wynnell wrote the story and so how this one starts it's a flashback to young, young Lorraine and young Elise and Elise's friend Carl and this is when she's like she brought Elise in well I think she brought Carl and then brought Elise along and they were telling them that yeah there's something going something wrong with my son so can you guys help him so that's when she uh lorraine shows him the pictures that we saw in the first film of uh of josh when he's little in the the creepy old lady uh in the background and she's telling him that yeah something's something's bothering bothering him we don't really know what so what they do is

they set up a video camera and they're, they're talking to him. And she's just like, I'm just going to answer some, ask you some questions. There's no wrong answers. And she basically just starts talking to him to, to young Josh.

And his mom is sitting right there listening to everything. And they're just, at least is going to like, all right, I'm going to, um, this is when they put him in that trance, right?

Yeah. Okay. because yeah, because she told her, Elise told Lorraine, look, I'm going to do what I can to help your son forget everything. Because at this time, I don't think they knew that he could astral project because she didn't really find that out until, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. She did know he could. That's why.

because yeah lynchay was the one that told him Renee that he was able to do it when he was a kid for his own safety yeah so that's when this is when they put him

in the trance to just forget everything so when they're doing this they're talking and he's still under under a trance he um

the Elise and Lorraine, or yeah, Lorraine kind of go off into another room and they're talking and just telling them like, yeah, this is, this is what's happening. But then they hear Dalton say some stuff. Like, oh, here, I'll show you. But he's still like under the trance. Because Elis is walking around the house looking to see what she can find in it.

And that guy, Carl, he's downstairs in the room. with um with with josh uh and his mom elise hears something she goes up into his room and then she hears something in the closet so she kind of walks over there to see uh what it is and then when she opens up she starts moving uh shirts and everything around um josh and a josh adult yeah josh josh josh jose yeah josh Josh is talking While he's still in a trance And I'm like yeah Leave me alone

And get out of here At this time we don't know who he's talking to We just assumed he was talking to spirits Elise is still Looking around She kind of sticks her arm into this dark closet And then something scratches her And then she comes running downstairs

Lorraine's like well what is it And she goes I don't know She goes I saw what it's haunting him It's some kind of parasite and some malignant presence. And she's telling, well, what is it? And she goes, I don't know what it is. But we know your son's got this capability to do what he do.

So we're going to basically we need to stop it here and make sure that he doesn't remember any of this. So that's why they put him in that trance because he said it was going to help him stop it. And she goes that this is this is the only way we're basically they're going to suppress all his memories. So he doesn't know what's going on. And while they're telling him all this, this is when he kind of stands up and says, I'll show you. And then he walks into the next room and points down the hall. And they follow him, but they don't know what he's looking at. He just points down the hall.

And they're looking. And he's standing in there with his eyes close. So he's still in a trance. and then this door opens that down the hall it's creaking and they don't know what the hell it is it just looks like it's opening a closet so they grabbed him

they put him back into the into his chair and camera did they wake him up um I don't think they woke him up I think it just said like you do do what you need to do to help him

forget all this and then this is when when the movie starts yeah so then we go back. What were you going to say? No, I was agreeing with you. We go, we go to a police station and Renee is

talking to that one guy that worked at Eastside High. What the hell is that guy's name? He's in he's one of those that guys, he's in everything. You know what I'm talking about? Where the hell? he was the football coach that they made him be uh no i think he was like a math teacher a history

teacher then they made him uh he was he was the football coach but they made him be the assistant because mr clark was tired of the football team getting their ass kicked he's one of got trouble picking up a piece of paper yeah uh mr darnel that was his name uh so we go she's he's asking her questions like well what what happened uh with eliz because they can clearly see that she was strangled and he was telling them that um yeah this this investigation is still going to go on to figure out what's happening but then we go back to the um the ending of the first film when uh um rene picks up the camera and sees that image and then she hears the Josh behind her and she turns around and he's

like I'm right here because she was screaming around looking for him and then Lorraine and Dalton come running in and Josh goes up to Elise and is like oh hey he's trying to wake her well what the hell happened he doesn't know so he's trying to act all concerned and everything and Renee's looking at him like what did you do and he's like what what why are you looking at me like that and he goes you think i did this and she doesn't answer him she's just kind of like uh whatever and then we go back to the the police station and uh i don't know his name in this he's mr darnel a detective sandel that's his name michael beach um he's he's just doing his job he's just investigating the whole thing

i think this isn't this where they say that josh is kind of of not a suspect anymore because the handprints on the neck didn't match is no they say they say that later on okay but he's telling he's like look um he because he shows her a picture of uh eliza's neck and he's like look um we're gonna do some forensic stuff and then we're gonna see if this matches up uh your your your husband's hands because she's telling she's basically telling him she's telling him No, she's telling the cops, no, he didn't do it. But then deep down in her mind, she's like, I don't know. He was the only one in the room or close to her.

So I don't know. But we flash forward to some, I don't know how much longer. It had to have been weeks, I would say. Who knows? Maybe a month. They're out of that house. They're all staying at Josh's mom's house. But Renee is still kind of unsure.

on what's what's happening or what happened so we see them all trying to just do what they had to do everyone just get on with their lives i assume that josh didn't go to work for a while i don't know yeah but the boys they're they're older or they look older but they're still trying to just uh get adjusted to living at grandmas but ren is the one that's the one that's still really unsure on what's going on. Because she knows something is happening. So she's, again, it all pretty much starts all over again. She starts to hear and see things.

Because she seems to be the only one that, I'm surprised that whatever it was, these spirits weren't chasing her. Because it seems like she's the one that got the most of the shit from everyone. Yeah, because it kind of started, making me think did she have maybe some abilities or she was sensitive I don't want to compare it to like

Star Wars or anything like force sensitive or something I don't know I just they seem to be attracted to her yeah because they're showing themselves to her and I mean we obviously knew why they were chasing Dalton because they he was able to

astroject and he got stuck in the further and they wanted to take that red demon and wanted to take over his body. Yeah, isn't this when the woman in white shows up and like slaps the shit out of her? Yeah, she's still lurking around the house, just trying to check everything. And she doesn't know what's happening. She starts hearing things. Things are moving.

She hears like music and a piano's playing or the little daughter's little walker that has music coming out. It starts making all kinds of noise. She doesn't know what's going on. She starts to hear things on the baby monitor. So she goes running up into the room. And the baby is sitting on the floor a few minutes ago. It was in the crib. So she's kind of like, all right, she doesn't know what's happening.

But then she charges into the room where Josh is and telling them that, look, it's, it's still going on. We didn't, we didn't stop it. And Josh is like, what are you talking about, man? It goes, it's done. It's over with. we ended it all. But like the first film, he's just not believing any of the shit she's saying.

And he's kind of like, just, you get over it, man. We're done for her. The audience knows that there's something wrong with Josh, but she doesn't know at the time because she's still trying to figure out what's happening. Everything that she's throwing at Josh, this is happening, that's happening.

He's come making excuses. on why shit like this is happening. So we get away from them. We go to Tucker and Spex. And there you go. This is how Spex, they're not Spex. Tucker lost a lot of weight. He's not as big as he was a month ago.

Who knows? Maybe you could lose that much weight in the money. Weight scared off of him. But they're at Elise's house. And they're kind of just, I don't know. I can't remember why they were there. I think they were just there trying to see stuff. But when they're in there walking around doing stuff,

Tucker is just like moving things and opening things up and specs a tent. Don't do that. Don't do that. And they find they go to her room, to her seance room or whatever it's called. But they were told me, he goes, look, that's always locked. and he's like he goes well it's obviously open so let's go in

but it's all dark and they don't know trying to see who can go in instead of Rochambeau in it they do a hunter ninja bear and I don't know how you win in this game but Spex is being a bear and Tucker was being a ninja

and I guess apparently being a ninja is weaker than a bear Tucker has to go in there first and they say start they go they go into the room down to her basement and it looks like a seance room because they got the table in the middle and all that stuff and that one little mask that she has that she was using to talk to specs and they kind of go

into this other room and they're one of them I think those specs was kind of like come on at least let us know why we're here and when they go into this other room room, they knock over these boxes of VHS tapes. And then when they pick up, Tucker's putting them back in a box. He picked one up. And it says

Josh Lambert. I think he said like 1986. So they put it in the VCR and they're starting to watch it. And it's the scene from the beginning of the film when they were videotaping Josh and asking him all those questions. So

those two guys are sitting there watching it trying to figure out what it is. But Tucker kind of notices something when it gets to the scene when Josh is like, he hears someone talking to him. And then he's like, here, I'll show you. And then it cuts to another scene. And we go to Denise. I'm not Denise. Lorraine.

She's walking around our house. I don't know why nobody turns the lights on. But she goes to check on Dalton. And he's laying there sleep in his bed. And then he kind of goes, grandma. She's like, what? And she goes, there's someone standing behind you. And she kind of like flips out.

But then when she turns around, nobody's there. So she's like, oh, fuck. I mean, I think at this point is when she realizes that, all right, the shit ain't over with. Because she turns the lights on, doesn't see anything. So she kind of starts walking around the house again. She starts to hear things. Um, again, turn on every light in your house. If you're going to start investigating, don't just walk into dark rooms and walk down dark hallways.

So, uh, she walks into, uh, one of the, the, the room that has the piano. She hears something and it's her, uh, granddaughter's little walker that's lighten up and it's got music on it. So she starts walking around the house. And then, uh, when she's looking around, we see somebody in a white dress down a hall walk past and she like way faintly in the back but the audience sees it she sees it too so she goes running after whoever it is to see what it is and she doesn't know what's going on so she's kind of just lingering around but she's looking into a mirror and she sees that lady that was in a white dress in the mirror reflection but when she turns around she doesn't see anything but then all of a sudden the wind's blowing and the door shuts. And when the door shuts, we see that lady in white standing behind the door as it was closing. But when she opens up the door, Josh, he's standing there. All right. I got a question. I'm going to jump all the way to the end.

All right. We all know, the audience knows that Josh is possessed. Was he possessed by the old lady or the woman in white? The old lady. Which was actually a man. Yes. Which was fucked up. Yeah.

Which the woman in white is the mother of the lady in black, which turned out to be her son who she forced him to be a girl and wear dresses. Like Angela and sleepway camp. Yeah. So that's who. was possessing him because that was the the witch or the witch that was the old lady in black that was in all those pictures of Josh when he was little and did we find out later that

um the they called it the um was it the black bride I think that's what they called because then there was news articles that um the black bride strikes again because I think he killed like 15 women and black

the bright yeah the bright and black so they they killed like 15 women and everything so that's why but why was he after Josh just to oh no no he was after Josh because he didn't get to be a boy

he didn't get to have grow up as a boy I mean just didn't just do what boys do when you're little since his crazy mom forced him to be a girl made him wear dresses and wear wigs. Can you get like castrated? Two?

Yeah, she castrated him. Yeah. Fucked up. Everybody. So that was why that the bride and black or whatever the old lady was chasing him. Why she was trying to get

him when he was a kid. We go to a that was kind of, that's at the end. when we find out all of that. But Dalton, he is starting to realize something is going on. Something's wrong with his dad. And he's telling his mom, look, dad's not acting right because she said, because I heard him talking to someone.

And when we see the scene, Dalton, like, here's his dad. He kind of creeped around the corner. And he sees his dad and he's talking to, his dad's talking to someone. I'm like I basically I can't do it yet just let me do what I need to do and whoever he was talking to is kind of telling Josh like you need to kill everybody in this house before they find out who you are at this point we still don't I mean the audience knows that we all know that Josh is possessed but the family they're still trying to to figure it out but Dalton realizes there's something wrong with his dad and Renee, she's also realizing that something's happening. His mom, she's still kind of also not really sure. She knows stuff's happening, but she doesn't know what and why, and I don't think she realizes she knows that her son isn't who he is.

But she ends up going to see Tucker and Spex. Is that his name Tucker? Yeah, Tucker and Spex. And he's like, look, we want to show. show you something on their laptop. I don't know if you noticed it, but the, the screensaver is a picture of them two and James Juan. He's sitting on the couch.

I just noticed it. But he's telling him, he's, Tucker's look. I took the video feed from the VHS that and put it on his computer and he said he's able to do some magic. with the with the computer because he he stops the picture on Dalton standing there talking and then he kind of brightens up the picture and in the background we see Josh older Josh standing there and Lorraine is kind of like how is this possible and they're like I I have no idea what what's happening here I don't know who he is and how he got into that picture because again that video was filmed back in 86 and I assume this is this come out uh 2013 let's just say 2012 or or when no no it could be it could still be 2010 maybe 2011 if if we're going to go by when the first film

came out but anyway they don't they don't say um so so now she knows there's something all she are again she knew something was happening the mom Lorraine she knew something was happening but then now that since Tucker inspects showed something to her they're like all right there's something else is going on because why is older Josh in the background of his younger self we go back to the house what the fuck's her name

Renee she is walking around her house and she is talking on the phone to the detective And this is when he tells her like, look, your husband's hands don't match the marks on. Elise his neck. So he's all good. So she's like, okay, well, she kind of says, I really needed to hear that. When she's walking down through the house and the camera's just following her, she walks by, she's walking down the hall.

And we see into one of the rooms off to the right. It goes into like, I don't know, the living room or something. And we see somebody sitting in a chair. And then the camera goes down the hall, past another doorway. And whoever was sitting in that chair is gone. So she's still talking to the detective. And then she's kind of like, all right. So she's kind of just sitting there just like realizing, okay, let me take a breath.

My husband's off the hook. But then that little, her daughter's little walker comes rolling into. the hallway where she's at and then she goes walking over into the to the living room really quick why does everyone have all these old creepy looking houses i mean barbara hersey is in that old or unless this is just her style that she likes the old vintage look uh in her house the neighborhoods they like to buy all these houses in i guess so she goes walking into the living room and she's looking around she doesn't see anything in there and she's still kind of just flipping out but then when she walks in and she looks and we see two couches and they're like

butted up against each other uh she walks around and then she walks because she walks past one of the couches and then when it's all one shot i mean like it's looking into the living room she walks past and there's no one on the couch and then when she turns around and walks away There's a lady, a lady in white sitting there on the couch. And she's singing a song or whatever. And then she kind of notices her and turns around. That lady turns around, stands up. And Renee is just like, what the fuck?

And then that lady walks out of the room. And then Renee goes running into the hallway to look to see where she is, but that lady's gone. So she's still looking around for her. We hear the baby monitor. And then we hear somebody, that lady, singing again and the baby's upstairs. So she's ah! So she goes running upstairs to go see her daughter.

Again, like I said, my babies or my grandkids are going to be right in the room with me. So especially if shit like this is going on. You'd think she would have learned after the first incident. I know, man. Put it in a carrier and one of those little backpacks and just let it sleep while you're walking around, do it. First incident was like three houses ago. So she runs into the room.

The door's locked and then she charges in and the baby's gone. So she hears the baby crying. So she runs back downstairs and she goes looking around the room and all of a sudden, ah, the stroller and the walker starts flying around the room. She walks back into the living room and she's looking around and that that lady turns around goes, don't you dare? just scared me because it made me jump, I forgot about it. And she just slaps Renee.

And Renee goes falling onto the ground. Yeah, the lady's actually called Mother Mortis. We go back to Elisa's house. And Lorraine and Tucker and Spex are there. And Carl shows up, the older Carl, because he was young Carl at the beginning of the film. So Lorraine remembers him and like, hey, cool, right on, thank you for coming. And he doesn't really know what's happening yet and why they needed them. And then they basically tell him, look, we need you.

We're trying to contact Elise because she knows she's trying to contact us as well. We don't know how to do it. You know how to do it. So can you please help us? Because then they start telling them that shit's going sideways with my family. so can you please help us? So he's kind of like, all right. And how he's able to communicate with the people on the other side,

he's got dice with letters on it. And he's like, this is how I communicate. So he asks questions and he throws the dice down. And then they're saying he says that they'll answer, but we got to figure out what they're saying. So you're looking at the letters trying to put words together. together. I guess it could work, but then if you're already scared and everything, and if you see the letters there that spells out something scary, you're going to go with that.

But so he's doing that. You know, if the light start flickering off and on, the TV's coming, going off and on. Spec tried to get up and run away, but then he's like, don't, don't break the circle. So they're still sitting there at the little seance table. And he's starting to read the dice because he asks he's asking um elise are you here and then the dice he kind of moves some things around and it spells yes why yes so he's all right cool all right i'm going to go to one of my favorite classic films um which board oh god uh that one of the rules was don't ever mess with those boards by yourself Because and then he also said that the demons or whatever the the spirits like to pretend like say if you're searching for someone one of your loved ones or whatever and they said sometimes you're going to talk to someone that isn't who you're trying to reach because in that film in the witchboard you guys remember go back out a couple years and listen to that episode.

The main character Patch. That's all I remember as in from I think it was one day, day. or alive or whatever. He's doing the planchette on the Ouija board and he's talking to someone and then he like pulls his hands away and goes, all right, the person I'm trying to talk to this isn't him. That's when he's telling him.

It goes, yeah, sometimes you're not talking to the spirit you're trying to talk to. I don't know why he didn't. I don't know why he didn't know this. You see the teaser for the new one? What? yeah what's his name directed it uh chuck russell did uh dream warriors and the blob there's another wishboard how do i not know this oh man i was about to that old one i was about to buy witch trap

today it's got nothing to do with witchboard but it was still directed by uh the guy that made the first film uh wishboard two i need to pick that one up stay away from which board three that with the garbage. Anyway, so Carl is still trying to communicate. He's throwing his dice down and things are starting to go sideways in at least the seance room. So he's basically, he, for being a medium, man, he's not very smart. He should have started to believe that, or ask questions, all right, tell me something that only you and I would know and then throw his dice down, but he doesn't. He doesn't do anything like that.

But while they're doing this, all kinds of crazy things are happening. Then all of a sudden, the dice start to spill words like, no, not on its own yet. But they were, when he spilled, he spelled the, when he threw the dice down, he spelled something asking her kind of, who are we searching for? They were saying it was something like lady, anglis or whatever. and then she's the Barbara Hershey character is like no it's um what the hell was it uh I think it was Angels um lady of the Angels and then she was it was the hospital that uh she used to she used to work at I think so they're like all right so we go back to the house uh Renee is to laying there and Josh kind of comes in and trying to see what's happening.

And she tells him what's going on. But then he kind of just puts her down and lets her lay down on the couch. We go to the hospital where Tucker inspects and Carl and Lorraine are walking around doing some Scooby-Doo detective work. Luckily, they were able to break into this place. So it's an old abandoned hospital. And I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going into any old. abandoned hospitals. We have one here in the town that I live in

and some paranormal investigators. I don't know, these two probably in their 20s, this is a few years ago. They went into that hospital. I watched their whole video on YouTube. I can't remember their names. They didn't find anything. I tell you, you're about to say they were never seen a kid. No, they went in. They got tons of videos. They went, they can't know where they're from, but they came all the way here

to the town that I live in and they went into the old hospital. Dude, that hospital was scary even when it was open. That's what I'm saying. I don't even like going in regular working hospitals. No, the new one, I don't feel anything in there. But that old one, it felt like something was in there. I don't know what it is. I mean, depending on what you guys believe in, I'm spiritual.

There's spirits everywhere you go. But I don't know, that hospital didn't feel right. Um, that anyway, uh, my daughter and her friends went in there one time. Uh, I didn't know there was a, I assume there's a basement or something. I didn't, I never really explored that place. But I guess they went down there and they heard some stuff and they got scared and they all ran out. But, uh, I advise you everyone, stay out of these old abandoned places if you're not a, a ghostbuster. So these guys, they're lurking around trying to figure, trying to find things. And, um, um, Um, because as far as they know, Elise is, is the one that told him to go. And Carl's walking around. He's a medium as well. So he's trying to also figure out, uh, what the hell's happening. He stops and looks into one room because he hears something.

And then all of a sudden he gets like, uh, visions really quick of an old man and then an old creepy lady. They just, it's just flashing really fast. and he just kind of he flips out and then they're like what? And he goes in there. So they go walking into

the room to see what's in there. And it's just a room. They don't really know what's in there but then they're like, all right, we need to see what they go, they go, they go into the one room and they go, it's the ICU. So they're like, all right, because

Lorraine worked there. So she was able to kind of remember where things were. Then they go to a flashback. She brings her son Josh to the hospital and she's walking around, looking around, and there's this old

man laying in a bed. And I don't think that's how it were. Maybe that's how it worked back in the good old 80s. I think so. I mean, you could walk around anywhere and pretty much anywhere. No one gave a shit. But so Josh in there looking around, he kind of messes around with the little

little gadgets that are in there. And then when he turns around really quick, that old man's sitting up and grabs him and starts screaming. And then Josh says, ah! He kind of starts to run away. Because that old man was laying there

like in a comatose state. So they're not really happening. So I assume we did jump forward to another day. Lorraine is leaving for the day So she gets on this elevator And right before the doors closes

Somebody gets on in a trench coat And we see that it's the old man That was laying in the bed So she kind of looks at him And she's like Mr. Parker What are you doing? And he's not saying anything Because he's basically telling you should be in your bed resting

And so she just kind of He's not saying nothing He's just standing there looking straight ahead so once when they get out of the elevator he kind of just breaks off to the left and she just walks down the hall and she sees the receptionist or whatever in the lobby and she's like telling me hey um i just want to let you know that uh

uh one of the patients is walking around and uh can you guys do something about and they're like who and they tells them it's parker crane uh for the ICU and they go what do you mean walking around because I just rode down the elevator with him. And she was like, he died yesterday morning. And she's like, what? And he goes, yeah, he jumped to his death. I assume he went to the top of the building and jumped off.

So she kind of starts looking around like, what? Who did I just see? And then we go back to their time. And I assume she was telling them this story. Yeah, this is why I assume she has some sort of ability or maybe she was clairvoyant or something. I don't know unless they explain it later. So, but we go back to the house and Josh is there and he's pulling one of his teeth out.

And he's like, oh, no, not yet. And we don't know what the fuck's happening yet, uh, watching the audience. And then he hears a voice and it says, your dead soul is killing your living skin.

Uh, and he's like, I want to live. And then she's like, no. And then I guess the longer that he's in that body, it's starting to catch up to the dead, dead soul or whatever. But she said, but he's like, like, mother, no, no, just leave me.

She's telling him, look, and if you don't hurry up and do what I told you to do, you're going to waste away. So what his mother wanted him to do was kill his family, kill everyone. So he can stay in that body and be young. but the longer he's staying in that body he's starting to get all old and beat up kind of like chucky the long he's stayed in that body and how would killing the family allow him to stay in this body that's deteriorating i don't know if they explained it i didn't i didn't i didn't i didn't catch it but i assume that that's what you do soul for a soul i don't know so

Or maybe the mother was just telling him this so he just killed the family. Because he, I mean, he was a murderer. He was a serial killer. He was running around killing all these ladies because he, he was the black bride or the bride and black and he was killing everyone. I don't know. Maybe that's what it was. I assume he just went nuts from what his mom did to him.

and he just couldn't take it out on his mom anymore, so he was just killing women. I don't know. This is just me thinking about why he's doing this. But Renee is still trying to tell Josh, because she wakes up on the couch and she's telling, look, man, there's the shit going on. We need to get out of here.

And he's like, no, what are you talking about? And he goes, it's over with. It's done. Nothing's happening. Nothing's dead. And she's still like, she's got that look. Like, you're not my husband, but she doesn't, hasn't come out.

and set it to one. Obviously, I think it's still rolling around her head. But she's just trying to like, come on. Something's happening here. And you're not doing anything about it. Because then they start hearing a piano playing. So they go downstairs to look around. And then she's like, see, she was telling.

Because you was telling her earlier that she heard stuff. And he's like, I told you. And then he's like, when they go into the room, nothing is there. So she stands behind the piano, she starts playing it. And he's like, what are you doing?

And then she kind of just looks at him. Because she stopped playing, and she was like, that's the song that's been playing. Because she kept hearing it. He's like, what song? What are you talking about? And she goes,

you don't know the song? And he's like, no, I don't. And she goes, it's the song that I wrote for you. And he's like, he's got this dumb look like he has to look like fuck yeah and then she's like

okay he tried to change the subject with anyway hey there's something in his house so he kind of walks out of the room and she's like oh okay whatever so he walks around and he's starting to look at the thing he walks up

and picks up a bat and he starts going around the house. We go back to the hospital where these guys are just going into all kinds of rooms trying to find things, still trying to investigate, breaking down walls so they can get to other parts of the hospital. They find a secret room. Yeah. All right. Question. Obviously, this film is regular film cameras. This scenes kind of seemed like it was like found footage.

Because it was going back from like the big regular movie cameras to the handheld cameras that Tucker and Spex had. I liked how they did that, how it transitioned back and forth from regular movie camera to what was what we were seeing out of their cameras. Because they're still filming everything and looking around and they don't know. I think this is a part of the hospital that they're not really sure. but when they go into the hospital, it looks like a house because there's stairs and or like, it looks like a house. It doesn't look like a hospital unless this is a part of the old hospital.

They're not really sure because they're still just looking around trying to figure out what the, what's in there. Oh, this is the, um, did they go through a portal or something? because they're in the house of, what's the guy's name? The old guy. Yeah, what's his name? Parker.

The Bride and Black. Yeah, Parker, I guess. They're at Hairhouse, at his house, I guess. Because when Tucker and Spex go into the room, they're like, oh, man, what's this? He goes, it's a dollhouse. And then they're talking about it.

He goes, no, it's a Rhode Island Red. whatever that kind of dollhouse is. So they're looking around the room with their flashlights, and then all of a sudden things start moving. All the rocking horses and all that start moving around, and they're still filming it and looking. So then they start to, they hear whimpering. Spex is holding his video camera, his little handy cam,

and he brings it down, and he's like pointing it behind him, but it's upside down. And what we see, there's a girl or something sitting on the couch or on the bed. And then they, I don't think they, they hear it. I don't think they see it yet. But the camera, the video, a little handycam, we see it. And then they're starting to freak out.

And then they turn around slowly and they hear or they see the little girl. Because Spex is like he turns Tucker around and that little girl will sit. sitting there on the bed. Kind of reminded me in Annabelle. We just see the back of her head. And then they're like, who are you? And she's like, you can't be in here. And then they go, if she sees you, she'll make me kill you.

And then they're like, okay. And then they just walk out of the room. They get the hell out of there. But then when the camera goes back to the bed, that little girl is gone. Fuck that out of left, the hospital completely. So we go back to the house Dalton is laying there and he's asleep And he

Him and his little brother earlier in the film they had those When you link up two cans together with some string Like a phone and you talk back and forth Through it he's holding one And he starts to hear things But he kind of tells his brother like hey man go to sleep But then when he turns a light on to look He sees that his brother is asleep

and the can that he had in his bed he sees the string and it's like it goes um what is it goes just go into the closet

or under a bed I can't remember but um oh well it goes into the closet so whoever was talking to him uh he's like oh shit he's trying to wake his brother up

but his brother won't wake up so he's like oh fuck so because then then the uh the string starts to tighten And so he's looking in the closet where the string went and it opens up. And then you hear someone talking and Dalton's talking back to him like, well, what do you want? And then all of a sudden this, is it a girl? I think it was a girl comes running out of the closet.

And Dalton's just looking at her. And it's just some girl. She's like, just please help me. And I think it was just one of the girls that got kidnapped by, that Parker guy. Yeah. So Dalton's looking at it and then he looks around at the room

and then there's a bunch of other girls standing in there. And then Dalton, he's standing there, but he looks over at the bed and his body's laying there in the bed. So he would see like astral projected and then he jumps back in the bed and he gets under the covers

and all those ladies are trying to get him. But then the mom, his mom comes and she pulls the blanket's back and Dalton wakes up. And she's just telling them oh, it was just a bad dream. Everything's, everything's all right. But we all know that he's seeing what he's seeing.

Josh is still walking around the house with that bat, trying to figure or just look. We go back to the hospital, and Carl is still playing his little dice game, trying to figure out what's going on. He's basically asking a question, like, why did you bring us here? And when he starts throwing the dice around again,

um we see the camera goes up to the chandelier and the screws start coming out of it and fall into the ground i don't know how he didn't hear it but when he's uh he throws the dice back down on the ground and it spells moors uh in latin that means death so he kind of figures something out here and then this is when lorraine comes walking in and uh right when she comes walking in the chandelier falls but carl rushes and pushes her out of the way so he he saved her life and then Tucker and Spence come running in and they're asking like what happened and he goes I don't know just something happened so he runs over and picks up his his dice again and he's selling he goes you're not Elise he's asking a question they're like you're not a lease aren't you and then when he throws the dice down it says no and then all of a sudden we start hearing all these norses and doors are slamming and everything and they're getting trapped in this hospital I don't know where they are they are asked him again, who are you? And what the hell did it say? I'm on it right now.

Because I knew I wasn't going to remember what the dice shit was saying. But when he asked him, who are you? The dice spell out. Miser, Mordis, or, I don't know, something like that. But it says, he's reading it says, Mother of Death. so it was something in Latin and they're like well what does that mean and he goes it's a literal and it's simply means the mother so it's basically that lady in white yeah mara mortis yeah Parker cranes white mara mom so they're like oh fuck so they know that at least wasn't the one there

and uh she was the one that got them got them to go there i assume just to kill him so but they start hearing Knox and then they were at this bookcase and then they realize that it's hollow on the other side so they Tucker and Spence move it to see what's behind it and finding another little

secret room and they like start gagging and coughing and everything here because they smell something bad so they get their cameras and their flashlights and they go in there and there's all these bodies

sitting in the I think they look like pews or whatever and they have sheets over their heads I don't know how long they were in there because they're starting to rot but they're still they're not like

skeletons yet so I don't know how long I mean how long these ladies have been in there or anything because Tucker tries to look up under one of the sheets and then he's like he's about to throw

But we don't even see it. I thought they were going to show it, but they don't. But he kind of flips out. This is what I figured. These were the bodies of the, all the ladies that he killed. Yeah. So, because they're in some kind of room. And I think there's like newspaper clippings on the walls.

He opens, that's in a trunk. He opens up a trunk. And that's when they start to see the news articles about the Bride and Black. so and they were telling him that who it was and he got captured and everything so while they're in there Carl's kind of touching things and he's seeing visions and we see a man

putting on a black wedding dress and putting paint in his face all with makeup white and he puts on that black wedding dress and there's another lady tied up and he's walking over getting ready to kill and he's like Parker Parker's the one that wore the dress he commit to commit these murders and he says it was his disguise so he's uh he killed his mother because she forced him to kill everyone and he just wants his childhood back that's why uh that guy was trying to get into the body of um Josh when he was a kid because he wanted to be a kid again since he didn't have a child a child a child a child

because of his because of his mom. We go back to the house. Denise, or Denise, Renee shows up at the house with the kids. She goes in and she notices that

Josh is just starting to look like shit. But Lorraine picks up Denise, or Renee, and,

tells them like, look, you, you need to come with me. So, like, okay. So they, they, uh, Tucker and Spex and Carl kind of hashed out of plan. Look, go in there, talk to Carl or talk to Josh. And we need to get him. Basically, they, he had like a syringe. So he was going to, um, see if he can knock him out. Because he still has the, the human body.

So they, he'd still be able to, uh, knock. knock him out with some kind of drugs. But Carl's trying to talk to him, and Josh, I think he kind of sees, sees through it. So Josh gets up to go, and he asks him, because do you want to drink or something? And he's like, yeah, so he walks over and he goes to get him something. And while Josh leaves a room, Carl's trying to set up that syringe. And then he's asking him, like, what are you doing? What do you have?

and then he's like, uh, no, I'm just, uh, hanging out. And then Josh is standing there. He's holding a cup and he's got another hand behind his back. And then he goes, he, Josh is telling him, goes, mother tells me that you like to play with dice. And he goes, oh, she did. And he goes, I didn't realize you guys, uh, spoken this morning was talking about his mom. And then he goes, oh, yeah, this is how I do my readings. And he's like, ah.

And that is when Carl asked him what, uh, What's behind your back? And then Josh is just looking at him with the craziest mind. He was, why don't you ask your dice? So Carl's like, okay, so he kind of just puts the dice in his hands. And he's getting ready to shaking up. And then he asks, he looks over at Josh and he tells him, Josh is looking all creepy and crazy.

But then Carl asks him, he's like, okay. he he's about to drop his dice and he's going to ask the question before he drops him and he's like what what does josh and then he stops talking and then he says um what does parker crane holding what is parker crane holding behind his back and then he drops the dice down he looks at it and it spells knife so he looks uh looks over at josh and josh is looking at him and he goes and he pulls out the the knife from behind him. And then he's also wearing a wire. So Spex and Josh are like fuck, so they go running into the house. Josh jumps at Carl and he's swinging

that knife trying to get him. Spex is running in the house. Carl ends up with a bat and he's swinging trying to take out Josh. He breaks out the syringe and he tries to get him but he just kind of overpowers him. So he's trying to choke Carl. Spex comes running in.

and doesn't do much. He comes running in and Josh just like elbows him and he goes flying down and crashing into the wall and knocks himself out. Tucker comes running in and sees Josh, specs laying on the ground. Tucker has a stun gun, but then Josh is, he took the syringe away from Carl. So he spins around and stabs Tucker in the ass with it. And then Tucker just drops and falls on top of, uh, specs and then I guess they both got passed out because Josh walks over to specs and slams his head on the ground and he's knocked out so we go we're going back to the to the house um Carl wakes up and he's in the further well he doesn't realize he's in the further until Josh comes walking up to him and starts talking to him and then he's like oh fuck And he goes, you must be dead.

And he's like, oh, well, all right, nothing I can do about it. Yeah, he just kind of went, well, all right. Let's see what we got here. So they start to hear things. So they're trying to investigate. And then it kind of does a flashback. And we see Josh talking to himself when we find out that he is, his mom was yelling at him. me like get out of my head so but we go back to denise uh not denise lorraine and ren they dropped uh i know

rene dropped the boys off earlier to her friend's house so then i guess they took uh the little girl over there as well we go back to the further um carl and josh are still looking around trying to find uh elise because they know she's there and um they start to hear things things because Carl can see things and then Josh is still looking around and he goes, oh, there's Carl tells Josh who's looked at somebody in front of you. And Josh looks around. There's nobody standing there. He goes, he's right in front of you.

And then we see what Carl sees. And it's an old creepy man saying he's got your baby. He's got your baby. Oh, man. I was a dude of scared this shit out of me, but Josh can't see it. He's looking around like, what are you talking about? And he goes, yeah. And he goes, he says he's got your baby.

And he goes, well, what's he doing now? And he goes, he's pointing at something. And we see that old man. He's just some old man standing there naked. And he's pointing off to his left. Yeah, again, what's his story? I don't know. And why is he a help?

He's a helpful one. Like he at least said, man, this is the place you hang out before you go where you need be, I guess. So we go, where he's pointing, he's pointing at the house, the first house they lived in in the first movie. And we had talked about this earlier.

Josh is looking at the house and he sees that, the Indian guy, the long-haired fiend, that's what they call him, walking around in front of the house. Next thing you know, he's inside the house and he's smiling. And he's going upstairs. So Josh goes running over to the house. and starts looking in the windows, trying to see, he starts pounding on the door. And this is when, in the first film, Josh and Renee, here's somebody pounding on the door.

Like, who the fuck's that? So they go running downstairs. And Josh is looking out the window, on the side windows of the door. And he doesn't see anything. But we see the further Josh on the outside pounding. Josh opens the door, but he doesn't see the further Josh. so he's like fuck so he's just it's starting to come back to um josh that he remembers that when this happened so he's like josh josh no he's trying to tell himself something so we go back in

to the house this is when rene saw the uh the long-haired guy in her daughter's room and then all that shit uh when ash she sees him and he's standing there and then josh comes running in and they look for him. So while they're upstairs again, Josh just, the further Josh just kicks in the door, and that's when the alarms go off. And he goes running upstairs because he knows what's going on upstairs. So Carl and Josh run upstairs and that the alarm goes off. So Josh and Renee run down to see that the door is open, while the further Josh and Carl run in. into the room and they see that guy and they start fighting him.

He's got a knife. The long-haired guy's got a knife and Josh is fighting him. And then all of a sudden you hear someone say, go to hell! And then the guy with long hair goes falling out the window and Elise is standing there.

So they're like, oh shit, okay, good. So they found her. But then she's looking at Carl and she's like happy to see him. But then she's like, what are you doing here? you're not supposed to be here. And he's like, well, we're looking for you.

And she's trying to explain to Josh, like, all right, cool, we need to get you out of here. So, because Elis is looking at Carl and telling them, and they're like, she's telling both of them. You guys don't belong here. You need to hurry up and get out of here before everything goes sideways. Yeah, she tells Carl, I can still feel your heart beating. So you're not dead. She tells them that later after they do their little mission. Because we go back, because Elise is explaining some stuff to Josh.

And then she's telling him, he goes, you need to remember your memories. Because what we did to you, we made you forget everything. So you just need to remember all the stuff that we made. you forget because he's telling me i don't remember and she goes well this is what uh so they do a flashback and this is when we see young josh sitting uh in that chair with uh young elise and uh his young mom and uh young carl and this is when they see uh Josh when he's um older further Josh is behind him he comes walking into the room and he sees his younger self sitting there and he starts talking to his cell.

He calls out to himself and he goes, tells him like, Josh, I need your help. And he goes, I don't have any memories of my old woman and of the old woman anymore. And he goes, but you do.

And then he goes, I need to know where she is. And this is when young Josh stands up and goes, here, I'll show you. That's when he walks into the hallway and points down the hall and that door opens up. So what young Elise and young,

Lorraine saw was just a door opening. But when we go into the further, we see Elise and Carl and Josh and then the door opens up because they opened the door and they go walking into it. We see young Elise gasp, but she doesn't really knows what's going on. But the older Elise, she kind of looks over at Josh because she remembers what she says because she turns around and looks at him and tells him. and tell them. So that's what you were trying to do, tell us. So they go walking down into that closet and it goes down into the basement, I assume. And down in the basement is the red door.

So that's when they go into it. To, and it goes, we go back to the house. And Renee and Denise go in there. Is that her name? Denise, Barbara Hershey's carried a, Lorraine. I don't know where I'm getting this Denise from. Anyway, so they're going in the house and they're looking around and they're trying to find Josh. But when they see him in there, he looks like he's dying.

And then he starts chasing them around the house. And they're trying to get out of there. But he's stopping them and he's fighting them and everything and locking them in the rooms and everything. So he's just trying to get there. But then this is at the house. Dalton and Fulton show up. I guess their babysitter drops them off. So they're coming home.

But Josh is getting ready to kill Renee, but then she, he's starting to choke her, but the boys come running in, and they stop their dad and gets them off their mom, and then they all go running, and they're hiding in the basement.

Where's grandma at? Oh, they go hiding down into the basement, and we go back to the further, And those guys are there. They went through the red door and they end up back at the Parker guy's house. Because they're looking at me. How many times have they been to the hospital led them to the Parker's house? Now the red door is leading and the further leading them to the Parker house because they go walking into the.

room and it's all nice and we see a little girl sitting there on the bed and they don't know what's happening and Josh is kind of just like hey what who are you but then that little kid kind of looks up and goes pulls the wig off and says my name is Parker and then his mom comes walking in and she goes who drew this and he goes I did and he goes how dare you so she's slapping her, Parker around. He's like, but mommy,

and she's like basically yelling at him, like, you need to speak the truth. He goes, you're not Parker. Your name is, I think your name, like Melanie or something like that.

Like, yeah, Melanie or Madeline or something. Yeah. Because he's telling him, because he drew a picture for her, but he wrote Parker on there. And she's screaming out,

that's not your name. That's the name your father gave you. And she says, your name is Marilyn. So the mom was just crazy and took it out on her son. She went instead of, I assume she wanted a daughter, but got a boy and just tortured him all his life. That's why he became a serial killer. But they said he did murder his mom.

So while she's yelling at him, they're all standing there. Carl, Elise, and Josh are standing there looking. and then all of a sudden the mom stops talking and then she looks over at Elise and Carl and notices them that they're standing there and then she just starts to point at them and they go flying out of the room backwards.

So Josh is trying to get to help Elise and Carl get out of the room. They're locked in. We go back to the house in the real world. Josh is trying to break into the basement where Renee and the two boys are but then Dalton comes up he goes you know what I can I can help

I can do this and she's like what and he goes I need to go into the further to to get dad because they know they all know that that's not their dad now so Dalton kind of sets himself up he finds a little place to

fall asleep and then he falls asleep and goes into the further because then he wakes up and when he's in the basement, the red door is there. So the only way he can figure he doesn't want to get lost if he goes in there. So he ties like a rope or a string around his waist and then he goes in behind the red door. And he's walking around looking him. We go back to Josh and he sees all those ladies with the sheets over their heads standing in this room.

And then he looks at one of them. And they're all looking around at him. and he doesn't know what the hell's happening. But then he starts pulling the sheets off. And then all of a sudden, one of them screams. We go back to the house. Josh is still trying to break in and get them. He's almost in there.

But Spex comes to. Tucker's still laying there knocked out because he had the syringe in him. So Tucker comes, no, Josh breaks in. Renee comes at him with like a monkey wrench and she just starts hitting with him. I don't know why she didn't knock him out. But he, Josh, he grabs her and starts throwing her across the room.

And then he looks over and he sees Dalton sitting there in a corner asleep. We go back to the further. Dalton finds the Elise and Carl. So he's there to help them. And she goes, okay, this is, we need to get out of here.

And he's like, all right. He goes, please help me so we can. set you free. No, no, no, they don't see Dalton. They see Parker. The little boy Parker. He's standing there and Delise

is telling him, look, we were going to help you so we can set you free. So they kind of just go back. We see Josh in the other room with all those dead ladies. He pulls a sheet off one of them and it's the mom. And then she grabs him and

flings him across the room. And she has him up against the wall. and she's like holding him by the neck and then lifts him up. Josh is back in the real world. He's about to kill Dolan with a hammer. But then Elise comes running up behind the mom, the old scary mom, Parker's mom, hits her in the back with the chair. I'm a wooden horse, those little kids are right on.

And she just starts smashing her with it in the further and killing her. And the real world, Josh is, ah, he kind of just falls over. And then Renee runs over to Dalton, and he's still laying in there. Back in the further, Josh and Elise and Carl are in there. And she's telling him, look, you guys need to get out of here. And this is when she tells Carl and he goes, you're not supposed to be here. And he's like, what? And he goes, I am.

She goes, no. She goes, when I touch you, I can fill your heartbeat. So you're still alive. And she goes, you guys need to both get out of here before because all kinds of shit's happening on the walls. So, Dalton and, uh, Dalton, um, Josh and, uh, Carl run out, uh, into the further and they're looking around and there's all kinds of dead people everywhere. And they don't know what the hell's happening. But then all of a sudden they see, uh, Dalton. And he runs over.

And he's like, okay, man, goes, look, he goes, we can, we can get out here. I can take you back, uh, to mommy because he's got that. string wrapped around them so they all go uh go back um Dalton wakes up and then Josh sits up and he doesn't look all dead like he did he looks uh fresh and new Dalton's all happy he's like dad's he runs up and he hugs him and uh everyone's happy but Renee still kind of look at him like are you really who you are but then she kind of realizes that that it is him Grandma comes downstairs. He says,

he says, I was trying to, I was trying to reach you from the further. And then he, he tells her he was the one that was playing, the song she made for him on the piano. Oh, shit, I've got all about that.

Yeah, but while they're all downstairs, Tucker comes busting in, and he's still kind of feeling woozy about it all. So we go back to the house and, Carl is going to, um, is he basically going to put those two in a trance so they can forget all of this?

Yeah, he's basically what he did to Josh when he was a kid. He's doing to Josh again and Dalton. Well, that's not good, man. Look what happened. But yeah, he's basically telling them to, uh, to let the darkness and, uh, drift into the further and further away. So they know

To yeah Whatever he did to him when he was a kid He's doing it to the game so they can help them Forget it basically helping Josh not Know how to astral project as well as as Dalton So

They're both sitting there with their eyes closed And then it fades to white And we go To A house Someone else uh someone else's house and tucker inspects uh roll up and they're telling them goes yeah we're here from uh your close personal friend spoken uh alison and they're like no the dad's like no

you're good it's not if you're not we're gonna i'm gonna call the police but then the mom comes in like who are you guys and we're here to help and this is when we see a young a young wednesday she's talking he goes well who's the lady and they're like what lady and he goes the lady's standing behind you and it's Elise. So she kind of tells that little girl to be quiet. And the girl there's a daughter is in there in a wheelchair.

I think it's just a chair. She's looking at the window and Elise walks up to her and telling her that she's here to help her. Was she telling her? I can't remember what she was saying. The girl that's sitting there, his name is Allison. So she's trying to talk

to her. But Allison is just looking out of the window kind of all like looking down and then so when elise is like looking at her and Allison's not responding we hear creaking and elise is looking behind her and we just keep hearing creaking and creaking and but we don't see anything at least see something because she's got the scared look in her face and then her mouth opens and she's like oh my god and then boom and i've said it all through both these movies I want to know that story. I don't know.

I'm going to have to watch the next two before I see the next one. Well, the next two, three and four take place before one and two. Yeah, so those are like the prequels. So one and two, then it goes to five, right?

Yeah. So I can go see five tomorrow and not even worry that I didn't watch three and four, right? Yep, yep. you can you can wait to watch three and never watch four and you'll be okay I have to dig, again,

my movies are a mess here, so I'd have to search for it. But I know three is on 2B, but I want to sit through commercials. But all right, everyone, we haven't done a three hour episode in a long time. So,

yeah, we're not doing them anymore, but we had to do this one. I still need to see the fifth one, the red door or whatever the hell it's called. I haven't seen it yet. Oh, it's called the red door. Okay, hold on.

Let me click on that. Let me see the synopsin that. The Lammers must go deeper into the further than ever before to put their demons to rest for, put the demons to rest once and for all. The city is the red door. Oh, so the kid that played doll, the same kid he's he's reprising his rule and i think the same kid that was the brother is i might

be mistaken yeah the foster kid yes yeah same kid yeah same kid same cast uh not the little girl or the the baby no and well lipstick demons in this am i just spoiling it for myself yeah you um all right well i knew lynn shea was going to be it of course course. All right, specs and Tucker in it. So those you that did see it already, but I don't know what happens. Maybe I just spoiled myself

for some of the stuff. I only saw the trailer once, so I don't even remember what was going on in that, but let me click away from all that. So I don't have to see any of it. Shit, I'm clicking all the wrong things. Hold on. What did

I want to look up? With the first film. Well, that's cool that they got the kid from the first film, or the first two films to come back in that.

But insidious, the first film it, the budget was 1.5 million. Damn, it cleaned up. It made $100.1 million.

Damn. We got my money twice. let's see how much the second one made the budget was 5 million and it boxed off as 161.9 million that damn

man they cleaned house that's why they got so many sequels but all right we're not going to review three four and five well you guys already did five

if you listen to the regular show but oh man yeah I I got to go to bed because I'm scared myself with the further and all these ghosts and everything

that they were like running around in this film. But yeah, everyone, that, no more three-hour episodes. Listen to the E-society if you want three-hour episodes because our next episode, 291, is going to be three-hour. Our last episode, 290 was three hours. That was just TV. Our next one, I think we got like 14 movies we're going to talk about and that's going to be three hours.

So listen to it all that once or break it up. But, yeah, but all right, this was my pick. What do you got for us? All right. We are going to take a look at the 1996. It's listed as drama, mystery, thriller, comedy, crime. It's a lot of genres. Freeway starring Kiefer Sutherland and, what's her name, the forehead?

at Reese Withersprone. Didn't you just send me that? Yeah. All right. See, yeah, the stacks of video movies I got. Yeah, from those who want to stream it at home before you listen to the review, it is on a prime video, AMC Plus, 2B, and Shutter and Pluto and Freebie. So, many options.

Is it a horror movie? I've never seen it You never seen freeway Uh-uh Holy shit Okay this is going to be an interesting review then All right I've never seen it everyone

I know who's in it but I never seen it So All right All right everyone It is late I need to go to bed I got to get up in a few hours And go to work

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Uh, no, I don't, but I, I can, I can find it. All right. Uh,

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