The Horror Returns - THR Presents: Stream Fiends - Ep. #47: 187 (1997)

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

This episode Brian and Nez head to a Southern California School to help out a high school teacher deal with some bad ass kids in the 1997 drama 187. When a student writes the police code for homicide, 187, inside a textbook owned by teacher Trevor Garfield (Samuel L. Jackson), he feels threatened. The principal dismisses the incident, but, soon after, Trevor is stabbed by the same student. Fifteen months later, a physically and emotionally scarred Trevor relocates to California and takes up substitute teaching. To his dismay, his new school is as full of dangerously undisciplined students as the last one, driving Trevor over the edge. Join the THR Presents: Stream Fiends Facebook Group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/3860579827402429 Follow THR Stream Fiends on IG: @thrstreamfiends Join The Horror Returns Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns Check out everything Horror Returns at: https://thehorrorreturns.com Join The Action Returns Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/841619946357776 Follow The Action Returns on IG and Twitter: Instagram: @theactionreturns Twitter: @action_returns Intro Music by Mixla Beats Productions https://www.mixlaproduction.com    

Out here smoking the chronic, Sayza? Ah, man. I ain't hooked on chronic. I'm hooked on phonics. You wouldn't happen to know who vandalized Bunglo 86 last night, would you? Bungle 6? Do you guys know about Bunglo 86? Nah? Sorry, maestro. Nah.

You know, Garcia might not be able to prove anything. But you and I both know who's responsible. responsible don't we? No, I'm serious, man. I don't the fucking talking about. The rating, say something. Give it to me. You better watch it, man.

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You want to bring it on. Come on. Let's go. What you're going to do? Official, we are back. Stream Fiends. I'm your host, Brian. With me as always,

my brother, Ness. What's up, man? Man, I'm good. We're back, everyone. Took a hiatus. But we did come back.

It's been like a year. Yeah, last year was when we were here. But it's a new year. New us. Same shit. We dropped a elimination chamber,

wrestling returns. That's a roll. We're trying to keep this going. But Hollywood, Sina. Ha. I don't know. We'll see what's happening.

I didn't, I didn't watch Raw yet. So, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. But, oh, for those of you that don't listen to my network, Skater Ness podcast network, Brian and I can do a bunch of stuff. We did for the Nes file.

we did Death Wish 3 sometime last year and then go back I don't know how many episodes where I did cover Death Wish 1 and 2 so we got Death Wish 4 the crackdown coming really soon I just need to rewatch it

because I'm getting that one and the last one mixed up was whoa now his daughter died in the second one yeah did he have another he didn't have another kid did he or who was

was there a younger woman in this next one I got a I started it today I had to stop but I got a I think I'm a re-watch them all from the beginning except for the remake I don't need to watch that one we're getting four and five mixed up

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It's on there So Um I don't I watched them all, like recently, well, last year sometime, but I don't, I don't remember it. Because when I started the NES files, I meant to do it. I meant to just go boom, boom, boom, boom. And then I was like, shit, I need Brian.

So that's why we did three. And then we kind of pick a pause everyone. But we'll be, we'll be back with more. Just give us a week or so. Well, we'll still got to do action returns. And what was that one? The substitute. Okay, yeah, that's right.

I need to rewatch that one because I fell down that hole and started watching the ones after it with the Treat Williams. Rest and peace. Yeah, but I let everyone know what we're doing tonight. We are doing 1997's Thriller slash Drama 187. See, Google. Jesus, Google. This is like the whole damn movie. When a student writes to police code.

for homicide 187 inside a textbook owned by teacher Trevor Garfield. He feels threatened. The principal dismisses the incident, but soon after, Trevor is stabbed by the same student. Fifteen months later, a physically and emotionally scarred Trevor relocates to California and takes up substitute teaching. To his dismay, his new school is full of dangerously,

undisciplined students as the last one, driving Trevor over the edge Let's see what you got IMDB pretty much the same exact same thing This star Samuel L. Jackson

John Hurd Kelly Rowan Clifton Collins Jr. Tony Plana Karina Arroye Lobo Sebastian Jack Keller, Demetra's Navarra

Jonah Rooney, Methodman, and Catherine Lee Scott. And this was directed by Kevin Reynolds and written by Scott Yeagamon. Nez, when was the first time you watched 187? Oh, I didn't see it in the theater. I think my wife, when was this, 97? Yeah. All right. know she was up with one of the kids and this is when i was working the morning shift so i was

always in bed early and she was watching it and told me to check it out so i just back in the vhs days i recorded it and then i when i got a chance i watched it um but yeah i mean i remember it being in the theater but i don't think it came up to to where i was so Marky had to have been Tiga was two three, Marky might have been maybe one, I don't know somewhere

so she was doing with really little kids so I watched it and I was like, okay cool. I mean this is based on I guess a true story and I was kind of just shocked on what was going on

I mean, we had bad apples in our school. Everybody does. I mean, my whole school life and everything. Not to this extreme when I was in high school. There was a few guys like this, but they didn't, they weren't going as far as trying to kill teachers. But there was a summer school I went to in West Oakland, McCleman's. I don't think I've ever told this story here. I know I've said it over for us on whatever show we did. At the time in the 80s, late 80s, West Oakland was a rough area, and I rarely went over there. I had like one friend that lived over there, but I hardly ever seen her, just whenever we happen to run into each other. but I had to go to summer school at McCleman's and I was just like oh my god

it wasn't in the best area just right in the hood part of West Oakland and my mom was usually well you should have signed up for summer school earlier this is the last one this is the only one that has room so I was kind of like I was dreading ongoing I mean just the stuff that I hear and I always something something going on in west oakland especially in that area so i went and i was kind of like uh i kind of just kept to

myself some long-haired metal head skateboarder uh going to this school was predominantly black um i just kind of went in kept to the side of the hall because everyone was just soldiering through there and everyone that was hanging out outside um there's some crews that were hanging out on the corners by the stores and everything so i kind of just kept to myself and just stayed out of everybody's way this is their neighborhood and i'm going to respect it but some of the stuff that was going on there was a little wild and when things jumped off you know everyone runs the fights and this and that i kind of went the other way i didn't just this is my school i'm just none of my business let me get it out of the way so but what saved me

I'm going to say that all the time. What saved me was the football team in my world cultures class. I did my homework and the football players in the hey man, they first they knew I wasn't Mexican. And I'm because one guy, you know not Mexican, what are you? And I said, I'm Native American. So they started calling me chief. And I wasn't going to, oh, that's a derogatory term. I wasn't going to say any of that.

I just went along with it. Cool, right on. I'm Chief. And I, hey, let me see your homework. Hey, Chief, did you do homework? And then I passed my homework around and I helped the football team pass world cultures.

And all of those guys in there knew who I was. And they told pretty much told the neighborhood who I was and to leave me alone. So I was. I was cool with that because I remember skating to the bus stop. uh on san pablo those of you are familiar with oakland i was just trying to get out of that neighborhood and get to a main street and get to the bus stop i was skating down the street guys were and i did not look i didn't turn all i heard was hey man that's chief leave him alone and i was cool and then after that people when i was skating by what's up chief i just go hey man what's going on

and then just keep going so i was cool with everyone i that that was like within the first week and I didn't feel scared anymore. I was just, they knew who I was. I knew who they were again. I respected the neighborhood. And I got through school. I saw a lot of stuff that went on there in the neighborhood as well that was going on in the school. And yeah, it got a little wild at times.

And that's what was going on in this film, uh, be at the beginning when they were in New York. and then when they were in L.A. So, I mean, I was like, yeah, man, if you just go into those type of schools where stuff is going to be jumping off, man, I just being an outsider, wasn't my neighborhood, wasn't my part of Oakland.

And I just, I respected everybody there and just kept my nose down and everything. But once everyone got to know me and it was cool, and like I said, I felt safe. I mean, I didn't, nobody bothered me. Everyone was always saying, what's up? I was going, hey, man, what's up? the end and the summer we're all hey man giving any dapping each other up hugs and all that and

i was cool with everyone so i thought i thought that was an amazing even the the football coach thanked me hey man thanks i was like uh okay i didn't know what he meant at first and they kept going thanks i'm all right so i got it at the end i helped the football team pass the class so but it was cool though man i i i don't regret going there i was like i said i was scared at first and by the end of it I was cool it was just like another part of Oakland it's totally different now since the whole tech explosion in the Bay Area and all the gentrification that's going on that area is totally different now like I said predominantly black neighborhood now you see white folks walking down the street pushing

strollers even Mike the last time he went back home he was driving through West Oakland and he was like what's happening here I said blame the tech industry and gentrification old rundown places people buy buy them up on the cheap then flip those houses from millions it's it's it's crazy not this this isn't just an Oakland this is everywhere but yeah man watching this movie the first time it reminded me of going to mcclimans like I said back in the late 80s for summer school. One of my friends went there for like a few days and then he just didn't go back. He was a white guy and he was just scared.

There was one, I don't know, there was one white kid that went there. Stevie Littleton? He lived right across the street from the school and I don't know what the situation. was like I said when things jumped off I went the other way they were chasing this fool every day they were posted up out in front of his house he would run out of his house and run straight into the school and when school was over he would run out of the school and run straight into his house and that went on that whole time I was there and I never knew why it happened they were chasing this kid every day he was

a tall guy. Surprise he wasn't on the track team for as fast as he was running. And I was like, damn, I mean, to this day, I still think, what did this kid do or say to make them want to chase him every single day? I don't know. I mean, it was just, like I said, when shit was going off and fools were, they were chased his fool down the hall. And they think it was weird though. Teachers never seemed to like, hey, stop it. They just, Look the other way. I mean, the teachers, especially in this film, and I'm sure this is in other schools, not saying they're all just a movie. It's Hollywood. No, no, no. In my opinion, teachers don't get paid enough. My mom was a teacher. They don't get protection when they should. I mean, other than they just don't want to put the money into schools. I mean, there's a scene in this when all the kids are just throwing books out of the window and all this. And I remember seeing that sometimes.

And I'm just like, I wonder where the money goes. Yeah. I mean, I'm only saying this because my mom was a teacher. And all the stuff that they were fighting for, my mom went on strike. I don't know how many times. Well, up here, it just happened a couple weeks ago because of budgeting. They're going to have to shut down to junior high school. and the other junior high schools that are staying,

they get in those sports. Yeah, I mean, I guess what's her name? Running the Board of Education now. Mrs. McMahon. I saw that today is the news. You see that video, the protester was yelling stuff at him? Uh-uh.

At her? Yeah. It was like sitting in the back when she was getting whatever, the little ceremony and started yelling out. I forgot what she said. She was like, do you smell what Linda McMahon's cooking? And it's just like yelling out stuff.

And everybody's like trying to act like it's not happening. And Linda's just giving her little speech. And Triple H is sitting there trying to act like he don't hear anything. Oh, man. I mean, he married into the family, man. He's just got to sit there and take it. I don't know. I don't know what her back.

The only background I know of her is the whole wrestling stuff. I don't know her. Who knows? Maybe she has masters and this and that and education. I don't know, everyone. That's a total difference. Maybe she's just friends with certain people. Oh, I know that.

Everyone that's in there now and no clue on what they're doing. And it's because they're friends with so-and-so. but that's how life is man I mean you're friends with people in high places man and you don't know shit they'll pull you right into it too but that's just America everyone

for those of you that aren't listening they're out of the country and it's wild here but anyway it's wild like the school just like the whole LeBron and his son of course he got him into the league

it's his son yeah that's what the Theo was saying, because I asked Theo, he was talking about when we do our sports stuff, and I said, is his son that good? Or is it just because it's his son? And he was like, I'm like, dude, just, just say it. He's like, I said, is he good? He goes, yeah, he could play. I said, but if he's, his dad wasn't who his dad is, do you think he would be there? He went, no. Well, then there you go. But it's all who you know, everyone. Any kind of business. In the work, entertainment, in the sports industry, everything. It's all who you know. I heard people getting mad, but I'm like, if you're in a position to put your kids into place that benefits them, you're not going to do it.

I wouldn't say I wouldn't put my grandsons if I was in some kind of high position. and but I'm the kind of guy I would I would but they would at least have to have some knowledge of whatever I'm doing Oh yeah if it was my kids and I put them in a position Because I could I'd let them know you got here because of me

But if you're going to stay here it's because of you Yeah I mean I wouldn't just bring mom They're dumb as a bag of rocks I don't know man That's that's it But, yeah, back to my mom. I mean, all the stuff did she went through. I mean, she wasn't as far as dealing with these type of youth or wild youth.

She wasn't dealing with any of that type of stuff. But, I mean, again, seeing things at school and when I was at that summer school, teachers, man, they deal with a lot. And all this, I mean, there's sometimes my brother, one of my younger brothers, he dropped out of school. and he was like, I wasn't learning anything in there. He goes, they packed so many students in the classroom. It was hard to get help from the teacher. Basically, just gave you a packet of stuff here. Here's the work for the school year.

Turn it in when you're done. And then wasn't learning anything. I mean, there was a video going around with some kid, man. I mean, he made a lot of good sense. He was going off on the teacher saying, look, You're just giving us this and you're not teaching us anything. You're not teaching and you're not helping students want to learn. The students that want to learn don't want to be here because you're not teaching.

I mean, there's a lot of stuff, man. They pack so many people, so many students in the classroom and it's hard. I mean, like in this film, man, they packed in all these dudes in the classroom. And they were like Some were just there to hang out Some had to be there Because it was a part of their Maybe their probation

Yeah all stuffed in one hot-ass room With no air conditioning Yeah I mean The stuff like this I mean when Students attack teachers There's tons of videos out there Of stuff like that

I mean Because they get to a boy point. I mean, especially nowadays, a lot of students, I mean, people just don't want to back down. They think they're right and everything.

And teachers, they have a, they have a, a boiling point and a point to where they're, I'm fucking, I'm not, I'm not going to take it. I've seen many male teachers,

just like, you better stop, you better stop, you're getting to that point. And the teacher snap. And next thing you know, the students and the teachers are fighting. It's crazy.

It's crazy like that man to and to say this doesn't happen in every school There's all with this fights in school no matter where you are in the world But to when the teachers and the students start fighting one another that that's rough. I mean I'm I see it broke out in my high school Many times over just students didn't want to back down with the teacher and then one thing least one another I mean it's crazy and And then, like this, man, it started off rough to get into the movie. Just, it was all bad. It was cool to see Method, man. I thought that was cool.

You definitely did not look like no high school kids. Oh, hell no. No, but none of these kids look like high school kids, but look at Greece. How old were all the day in that movie? When did you first see this? It had to have been closer to when it came out. I don't remember seeing it in the theater, but I might have. And I was blown away by the story that was going on from the minute he was attacked to him trying to get his life back together, relocated to California, to basically deal with the same thing he was dealing with in New York.

I thought it told a good story from what I understand. the writer was a high school teacher for seven years or eight years or something like that. And a lot of what's in this movie was based off of his experiences and other teachers' experiences. And I think this tells a very powerful message. Yeah. I mean, teachers put up with a lot. I mean, if there's any teachers listening to this, I mean, I'm sure you guys know. Even little kids are tough to deal with.

Not just saying teenagers, man. I mean, there's a lot of badass kids out there. I mean, you may think your kids are good. Was I bad? Of course, I was bad. Not to this extreme, because my mom would have whoop my ass. I've said this many times before. I wasn't scared of the cops and everybody.

I was scared of my mom. Because when I got out of the line, she whooped that ass. She didn't play that shit. Different times, boys and girls. I grew up in the times where the teachers could grab you and discipline you. That was the times I grew up in. Now, these teachers cannot touch you or anything. Yeah.

Well, what did we just review on the whole returns? Carrie, back in the times when Jim teachers could slap the shit out of you. Oh, yeah, and nothing. And smoke in the school. and not worry about you. I mean, this one, man. Who were they? Brooklyn, where this took place in the beginning?

Brooklyn, Dennis Broadway. Wait, no, that's the name of the student. Yeah, Brooklyn. Beds die. Do or die. Rest and peace to Biggie's mom. Passed away recently. Yes, rest and peace.

It's with her son. Good. Back together. But, yeah, this started off rough, man. I mean, Samuel L was doing this thing, teacher, getting into class, and then he was just trying to teach the class. And it seemed like everybody was cool with them. I mean, they were just rowdy students.

I mean, that's how kids are. But they weren't so much disrespectful to them. They were kind of just, everybody was cool. So, science. Everyone was cool with one another. So he was kind of doing this thing. and then he opens up one of the books and all the books and the whole book is just 187 written in it.

187 Garfield like specifically for him. Yeah. And he's just flipping through the pages. And then he's like, oh man. So he notices that was the Dennis Broadway? Is that his name? Method Man.

so he's kind of like all right he he tries to go to the to the principal and let him know like hey man um look what his kids doing and he just kind of like well man it's just a student that's graffiti in the the books and he's like no man he's time to tell him look that's one that's a police code for homicide and he's like well kid probably learned it in a rap song yeah apparently method man, what was his name Dennis, was there on, I forgot what they called it, but he couldn't, he couldn't

fail any classes or he'll be sent back and they failed him and they told Method Man that Mr. Garfield was the one that failed him and didn't even tell Mr. Garfield that. Oh, so that's why he stabbed him?

Yeah, because he knew he was the one that specifically failed him and he was going to get sent back to wherever he was before. What the hell was I at watching this? I've seen this movie a million times. But, yeah, I mean, even still, I mean, when stuff like this jumps off and then you try to tell the higher-ups, I mean, speaking as a teacher, I'm not a teacher, but I'm just saying,

but he tried to warn them and tell him, look, man, that this kid's threatening me. And they're like, eh, whatever. Just do what you need to do. get back to work. Yeah, he said something about being more concerned about the cost of the book that got damaged. Yeah. And I get it, man. These books ain't cheap. And you can't just buy one. You got to buy however many for enough for every student, I guess, in the class. Did they let you guys take books home, school books? certain grade they did certain grade we had to leave my school

yeah and once we got in the high school we had to leave everything at school and do you got did you guys have lockers yeah we did too but I never used mine I just threw

I rarely I just put some my skateboard in there but I unfortunately was rarely at school I had nothing else to do boys and girls i mean everyone wanted to cut school and go do this and do that but i was like i would do it but any you young listeners that are in school stay in school we ended up doing

nothing basically i said i must just sit at school and hang out with everyone and learn i i did graduate barely but i graduated um but yeah i mean my son's school here I think they got rid of the lockers. Because he was always carrying a big backpack with everything in it. And I'm like, In my daughter's school, you can't even bring backpacks to school. Because they're worried about people carrying stuff in them. They didn't go as far as to do.

I know in some schools, especially in Oakland, I noticed you got to have a clear backpack. If you want to have one. And I was like, I asked my son. He goes, no, they never told us. They just didn't give them lockers. I was like, man, I said, we had lockers. I guess it's just wilder times. I mean, I get it, especially in the little small tick town that I live in.

Stuff seems to jump off in these smaller towns. And I hope and I pray that it doesn't happen anymore, but, you know, how the country is. I think as far as when I was in school My guys had knives or something But nobody ever had a gun The only gun situation I remember Was the junior high that was right across the street from my house One of my buddies was there

And I guess a kid had a gun in the In the gym locker room And I don't know One thing led to another boom pulled it out I'm not sure if he shot anyone, but he fired it. Because my buddy was there in the locker room. And he just jammed himself into a locker and shut it. He was a little skinny guy.

And he said he just waited there until it sounded quiet. And then I said, how did you get out? Because I was pounding on the door, tell someone to come, let me out. And I was like, oh, okay. But as far as gun violence, that it was, I, I didn't go to that school. He was the one that told me. And I remember coming home and seeing all the cops and everybody there.

And I asked my buddy what happened and he told me. And I was like, damn. So it was crazy. But I get it. Tell him making the kids have clear backpacks and going through metal detectors. Actually, when I was down in Oakland today, I drove by my old junior high. It's all fenced in now. It used to be just like open.

And it's all fenced in. My high school as well, down at the main gate before you drive up the hill to go up to the school. There's a security guard there. We didn't have no security guards at that gate. Everyone just came and went freely whenever you want. Because I saw cars going in. The gate opened up. They had to check, stop at the security guard, then drive up.

And the gate would open and close constantly. different times boys and girls and i'm sure maybe for you older ones if you drove by your high school it's it's the same but safety i get it if they care about us safety wise i'm sure they did but not to the extreme that is now in in 2025 so but anyway so garfield yeah man after he got dealing with the this the principal that didn't give us shit he was he was walking back to his class and uh we we kind of just hear everyone talking and everything and then we see here come we see um dennis method man yeah he does not look like no high school kid but he's got a uh a little shank a little block of wood with a nail

sticking out of it and he comes right up behind garfield and just shoves him up against the wall and just boom commences to just just shank him in and out in and out on his right side and just boom boom boom no one trying to stop him and then methadman just drops his little shank and then runs out of the school he ended up getting caught right

I assume he did he did it in front of everybody broad daylight no one's going to say nothing so yeah You got them. You always got them a couple kids. Yeah.

There was some out there that still let it out. What I noticed and what I liked about this, not the scene, but the whole time they were in New York, it was like a blue, hazy blue type of shot. But then when I got to California, to L.A., it was all that smoggy-ass, orangey brown. color for the rest of the movie. To show you definitely the differences of the west and the East Coast. And this was what? 15 months later? Yeah. Yeah. So flash forward 15 months later, we see Garfield.

He's in Smoggy, Sunny, California. And he's gearing up for his first day at school. What school did they go to? I know they said. said it, but I don't remember. Do you? Let me see. Relocates to the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles,

but it doesn't say Okay. Said he lived into San Fernando Valley. That's far from L.A. But anyway, so he's doing this thing where we see

the high school. A lot of Mexicans. At the school, I think it was like John Quincy something. They just showed it really fast. We see everyone in there just everyone getting to school. Same thing, man. You walking in, security guards there, wanding everyone down and everything. No clear backpacks.

This is the late 90s. But he's just kind of going in and he's getting ready to do his first day of school. And he's a substitute. So they're kind of letting him know, ah, let's go down to bungalow. 8 or 86 or wherever he was supposed to go. So he starts walking through the school on his way to where his class is, and he's just noticing all this stuff as he's walking along. We see KOS.

Camping all suckers. We see that crew and everyone else. And he's just looking around. Everyone's looking at him. I mean, there's all kinds of shady shit going. on as he's walking to his class he ends up getting into the class he thinks is he is he goes in there and starts kind of ready to post up starts writing his name on the wall and everyone's he's looking at him he's looking at them he goes and opens up one of the drawers no he starts writing

something on the wall on the chalkboard and then he asks um the one of the students where does your teacher keep his chalk so he opens up the desk and he sees there's a gun gun in there. So he kind of shuts it, but then this is when we get Dave Childress, played by John Hurd. Best in peace.

Yeah. Mr. McAllister. Which I like what they did here because they give you two different portrayals of how teachers are. Because Dave Childress, played by John Hurd, was just, he

had some ideas about school system and how to run it and deal with the kids and he was made a comment and I'm just here for the paycheck. And that's, I mean, it's sad that that's what it comes to. I mean, these teachers know what they got to deal with every day. And they just, they're probably the ones that look the other way and just let it happen. As long as it's not affecting them. This is how I, I think.

I don't know if it's true or not. but yeah he was like yeah like he said i'm just here for the paycheck yeah because he i think it was that conversation when they were having lunch he was just like why you still do the job and he i think uh garfield was like why do you think and he was like get a paycheck of course yeah so yeah we find out that he was in the wrong class so you look and he'll open and go well you're looking for bungalow eight or whatever yeah you should have zagg you zig when he should have zagged So he points him in the right direction and he walks into his class and all hell's breaking loose. Well, first, when he looks out the window when John, so that John Hurd teaches him or shows him where his class is, he looks out the window.

And we see all these textbooks flying out, out the door. And it's like, oh, so he walks down there. He goes in and sees everyone in there. He kind of looks out the way. We sees one of the students looking out the window. window and he's like hey do you know how those books got outside and he goes he goes no speaking english or whatever he said to him he starts telling him uh well what's your name and he kind of just says yeah whatever to him he lets him know that he's garfield and he's mr g he start calling him mr g so he basically told him look man sit down or can you go get those books and he's like not i ain't get no books so he goes and sit there

down and he kind of figures out well who are you and he doesn't want to say no he says he's um Caesar Chavez and he goes why you don't recognize me but then one of this dude

yeah one of the students uh let's know that's uh Benny Chacon and then he's kind of like there's nothing you can say to do to me

uh he pulls up his um his pant leg and he's got the one of those little um ankle monitors yeah ankle monitors uh he's got the rest of his crew in there but then the teacher one of the students goes they don't even belong in here because they kind of just get up and walk out of the class so he finds he's kind of going back and forth with benny but then benny's just kind of like he he don't give a fuck he's like man just shut up and give me a referral so because he's mr garfield's

trying to play like i i i here to play that shit he's just he's not going to back down to these these kids um so he kind of goes up and writes a referral and then he ends up giving it to to benny and then benny starts walking out of the class

garfield turns around starts writing something on the wall or on the chalkboard benny crumbles up the referral and throws it at him and it hits garfield in the back and he kind of just ha ha like i mean i'm sure if you got shanked up, you'd be

a little touchy and just shaky and scared about something like that. Yeah, because you could see when he was giving him the paper at first how his hand was shaking. I mean, he was not backing down, but you could see the trembling in the hand.

Yeah. But, I mean, he was scared, but he was still trying to like, I'm going to let these kids know that I'm scared. So, the next scene we see, a bunch of homeboys running out of one of the little old abandoned um i don't look like a tool shed or something yeah so he walks up and then he's like hey what's going on here little sister and there's this

little um mexican girl like i don't know she was laying on a mattress or something but she's like putting on her clothes and i guess uh the homeboys were running a train on her or something because the fool's them running out and they're pulling up their pants. Yeah, her name was Rita Martinez. She's been in a bunch of stuff. I want to say she was in, she was that one with Morgan Freeman? Lean on me.

Yeah, I think she was one of those. Falling down, dangerous minds, into deep empire. It's been in a bunch of stuff. Yeah, she was only in. that one have we ever done falling down oh we should that's a good one yeah I remember she was one somebody's girlfriend

in that yeah yeah she was the guy that uh got the guns taken away one of the the Mexican guys that yeah beat him up when they were sitting on when he was sitting on the stairs and they tried to shoot him up she was in the car and then they made her get out but yeah she's been

a ton of shit yeah she an all-star shout out to prim i was listening to some of his stuff all over driving i was listening to his friday episodes i don't know if he's putting out anything new yet but we guys haven't listened to you just uh dropped uh what's that bow wow movie lottery ticket oh that's a new one okay i saw that one but i didn't i didn't click on okay well i don't have to watch that one uh check out uh is it prims good cinema is that what you're on YouTube his little commentaries man they're hell funny I'm surprised you don't get pinned or knocked for um putting in video footage from movies I don't know the whole situation

anyway so Garfield's sitting in lunch and he's just kind of just doing this thing he meets um Ellen Henry she's another teacher and they're kind of just trying to get to know trying to know who where he is where he came from and he mentions that he was he was a he was a teacher in new york at um whatever school he was at and john heard's character who was it dave yeah he's kind of like he goes oh man wasn't at that school where that that teacher got stabbed and and he was like yeah he was kind of talked to him then he realized like oh shit you're him and he goes i'm an idiot um talking to someone that has a purple heart, then he sits down and he kind of wants to know

the story on what happened. So he kind of tells him, yeah, this is the scene when he's asking, why do you still do it? And he's like, I just want to teach. And then they asked him why he wants to do. He goes, I just do it with the paycheck. So, and that's sad, though. Some teachers do that. Only because, like, some of the stuff I was saying, the kid, the students just, some students just don't give a fuck and they're just there to cause trouble and these teachers just have to deal with all the attitudes and everything and they can't like now like i said man they they can't do anything about it different when i went to school teachers could grab you push you pull you and all that and nothing happened to them um but just can't do that in now man you look at somebody

wrong and then they go run into the principal do i agree with that no I'm like, and I mean, I feel for it. I mean, just everybody has a boiling point and a limit. And some of, like I said, some of these teachers just snap and they're just tired of it. And it sucks. They have to pay for what they did. But I don't know, man. I don't think I can do it.

That's why I don't work with customers. I'm scared. I'm going to go off on somebody. So I just, I stay away from the public as much as I can. So, but so Garfield, he's just trying to do his thing and he's starting to see who the bad apples are in his classroom. This is when we're introduced. Well, we kind of saw him really quick when Benny was around. This is a Caesar, Caesar Sanchez, played by Clifton Collins Jr.

I remember when he was an all-star. Oh, yeah, he's a hell of an all-star. remember when he was like Clifton Gonzalez Gonzalez Yeah that was when he was What's that The one where he was snobragger That's not snout rag or Oh uh

Tack The Stone Age You fucking worm You worm Don't be no worm man You guys haven't seen the Stone Age That movie is hell funny Yeah that was like the

One of the first films I seen him in why are you worming my chicks sorry ladies bring on the bitches when they were at that party yeah no his friend was snot rag because his real name was hanky yeah

snout rag at that badass car so tack went and picked them up and they went down to the house by the Frankie Avalon place for those you to see Stone Age you know what we're talking about.

Put that on the list, too. Hell yeah. That was hell funny. You put that on Blu-Rae. I have a DVD somewhere. And I'm sure it's streaming, probably tubey. But anyway, this is when he's introduced

to Caesar Sanchez, Clifton Collins, Jr. He's writing on his desk, KOS. And what is that? Tagging crew, and where was it? Cappin'all Suckus. Yeah.

I think he was going by cartoon. Yeah. That was his name. So he was telling, why don't you go get a paper and, uh, and wipe that off? And he's like, I'm doing that. So he's kind of going off until, but then he, Cesar starts going off on him. Like, man, he goes, don't be, or no, he started talking about, uh, Benny to him. And then he was like, don't be disrespecting my home boy, Benny, man.

I don't like it. So he's kind of like, man, he goes, he just do what you got to do, man. And he's like, just go get, go get a piece of paper and wipe it off. And he's like, we also, we also get introduced to bitch as Stevie Littleton. I knew, I knew a few Stevie Littletons in my time. And their other friend, Paco. Paco was, he seemed more level-headed than everybody. Yeah, I mean, he was down.

He was down for the, for the homies and everything. But he, he wasn't like that much of a troublemaker. He wasn't voicing himself. if he was like, if he had to throw down, he was there. And Stevie, I knew a bunch of these type of fools. He was just a rich kid trying to be down with, I assume he was messing up at whatever school he was at. And this is the school they sent him to. But later you see how much he's not down because there's a scene where they're all.

all walking together and then when it's nighttime you notice he's not with them oh yeah because whoever drops him off drops them off in like a beamer or a Mercedes or something but they do let

that the week dude there kind of let us know that he's he's a little rich kid and he's just trying to be down down with the brown and yeah there was I knew a few guys like that fucking Stevie Littleton A couple white guys like that

And there was a few black guys that I went to school with Like I wouldn't school them in elementary and junior high But in high schools when they changed Like we were all cool high school or elementary middle school But once they got to high school it was like And these are kids rich kids that lived up in the hills I went to a school My high school was up

They called it the rich kids school I wasn't rich by any means. They Um, it was a time where they need the schools. They needed their quota of color is what we were saying. Yeah, they needed to diversify. Yeah. I mean, it was predominantly white, but then they, they bust up all the hood kids

up to the school. That's what they did. The, they needed so many, um, Mexicans, they needed so many Asians and they needed their small little bit of natives. So my brother and I, my older brother, that's how we got into that system. Because this where we lived, we were supposed to go to all those schools. But then my mom, she was a teacher. She started teaching up at the school predominantly white.

Well, they built a Native American. child development center behind this white school um so us my mom's work there we were able to go to that school um because the school that the elementary i went to was like a block excuse me a block and a half away from our apartment when i started going to elementary school and that was predominantly black Asian and Hispanic. And then my brother and I, we were the only two natives there. Then this other brother and the older brother and his younger brother came.

So there was four of us in there. I never knew what happened to them. Because when we went to the school by my mom's work, again, it was just my brother and I. We were the only two there. And then we kind of got into that system. We're able to go to the schools that were up there. It was always my brother and I.

We were the first two in each of them. Then later, they started bringing in, opening up the doors and bringing in more, more natives. So it was a bunch of because when I graduated from high school, there was me, William Sabah, Elena, five of us. Five of us that graduated.

And then there was however many in 11th and 10th. I know schools are different now. They go four years. We went three years when I was there. elementary was kindergarten to sixth junior high was seventh to ninth and then tenth to twelfth was our high school it's all different now here especially in this town it's i think you go to four different schools i don't know how it is and to me it's all wrong but my wife's always like no the way you guys did it are wrong i'm like i i didn't make up the rules i just went to school so but

So, yeah, man. So, yeah, there was this kid. I'm not going to say no names. I don't know if they listened to the show. There was this one kid. There was a black kid. He was cool, man. We were down for one another.

But when he got to high school, he changed. He started hanging out with the kids that were down, down from our neighborhood and the surrounding neighborhoods. And then he tried to be down right along with him thinking he was all rough and tough. I remember there was a party when we were in high school, a party down in the flatlands. And he was there.

And he just looked so out of place and so scared walking up to the party. I even, what are you doing here? Oh, I'm just, I'm here to hang out. Once he got in and he got with his friends, he thought he was all that. I was like, this guy's false.

So, but anyway, that's how Stevie was in this movie. He wanted to be. down with these guys because yeah like you said when they're running around doing the thing at night he wasn't there he was safe wherever he lived and wherever the rich kids live in san vernaldo valley so because yeah someone did they someone mentioned it to him that he was he was not he wasn't anything he was just a little white kid hanging out with the mexicans yeah it was uh allen in that seen in the computer room later in the movie he was trying to be down so I think he was one of those kids that was

trying to be tough at some other school and then they kicked him out and then sent him here because one of my buddies he got kicked out of our high school and had to go to a continuation school way down close to the barge station in our neighborhood and he was always scared to go down there I said many weak he was the school they made me go to was the other idiot that thought you were raw so they uh he meets all them and then he's kind of looking around the classroom and then he finds like a uh a long screw with some uh tape around that one of the one of those guys must have dropped it so

he's just trying to just do his thing trying to just get through the school I mean he's he's a again he's a substitute he's only there for who knows how long

like they said four days yeah but then he ended up being longer because whoever he was replacing I guess they did they up and retire because I think he got the teacher was there

did the teacher that was he was replaced and got threatened by Benny and them yeah and I think Ellen was telling the story I think they were she was getting threatened and then there was an incident where she pushed one of them and she got in trouble and then she ended up taking her leave

permanently or something yeah I mean see I get it I get it I mean different, different times. Like I said, you can't, you just can't put your hands on students. And I'm sure.

There's a few times Cesar in this movie was, you heard him a few times say, touch me, I'll sue. They, they, she said that they were cornering her. Yeah. And she, they were all up in her and she was trying to defend herself and keep them away.

And that's all it took. that oh she pushed me she put her hands on me and she just had I think she was pregnant too and she had enough because then she what the hell's her name Ellen she was like what did you do after

your situation and he basically told well I came here and then she starts telling him about she got into it with Benny a few times and she's kind of letting them know that there's some things are happening to her but she can't really prove it and then she's saying that she goes I know then she kind of said something about her her house or her apartment she's like I can't I don't have any proof but she knows that someone's been inside her apartment and then she goes she goes to the principal same thing principals well we can't do nothing mean we don't want a lawsuit and i mean i get that too i mean but it sucks when the the principals or the board of education be in whatever school district

you're you're in in the country they don't want all that because it always comes down to it's going to make the school look bad it's going to make us look bad and all that see from what i gather from my mom she goes they'd never had their backs on what they needed i mean my mom when during their all then they were more of they needed um supplies and stuff they didn't have the tools that they needed to get through the school year and they they were fighting for stuff like that plus they're also fighting for uh equal pay and everything but man it's it's it's crazy man and again if you're a teacher listening to to us i mean i'm i support uh uh everything you do and that's why I always say man these teachers have to put up with so much shit

they got to put up with the bennies and the Caesars and and the method man and everyone else acts like this I mean their teachers need to be paid a lot more than they're getting and I know teachers some of them do it because they they want to teach and that's good those are the type of teachers we need but when you got the teachers like John Hurd's character to where he just I don't get a fuck I'm just here to get paid I mean it's sad that it gets to that. I'm only speaking on my opinion. I don't, again, I'm not a teacher, and I don't know in any of any of that lifestyle.

So, but that's just me. Anyway, so after she, Ellen talks to Garfield, Garfield, it's kind of like, well, we just got to, we just got to deal with it. So, and then we get the scene of the, the KOS crew walking around. He got Benny and Caesar and. what was the other guy's name? Paco. Paco. They're walking.

You got Stevie just for the daytime. Yeah, just for a second when the sun was up. Because once the sun goes down, Stevie's not there. And these guys are obviously high because they're puffing on one. And they're just trampling through the sewer waters of San Bernardino. I don't think I can get that high to where I'm just going to walk. through piss and shit and whatever else is in those waters. Crazy times.

We did crazy stuff in the sewer systems. Not recommending it. I'm happy to be alive to say that we did stupid shit like this. Not like this, but roamed around the sewer systems in Oakland. Dumb kids. Don't do it for you younger listeners. We're lucky we're alive because I think about it now.

Like, dude, what if like a mad flush of water? came through these tunnels and just washed us away nobody would find us no one would know we were down here but dumb kids trying to find skate spots anyway um so yeah they're trekkled through the water and then we see this uh graffiti artist um bombing on the wall and it comes at these guys come up hey man what are you doing and he goes you're writing over my piece and whatever this guy's writing he's writing right over the KOS piece that's on the wall. And the thing that's funny about this, you go a few feet over to the right or to the left where there's nothing.

I mean, there's stuff on the wall, but I mean, that KOS actually looks pretty sweet. But there's, I froze it on this. It looks like there's just nothing cool. Yeah, there's just KOS on the wall, nothing else. Yeah, like, why didn't you? you go over a few feet and and write something there instead of writing right on top of that. Well, you know if he's doing that, then he's disrespecting him directly. Yeah, that's what I was about to say. A buddy of mine, he does it and he still does it. He's what? He's pushing 50. He's still out there bombing away in the streets of Oakland.

I'm like yeah it's it's disrespectful to do something like to write right over somebody's thing like that um I don't actually know the code my my buddy was telling me look if it's been there for if it or if it's just like nonsense written on the wall then you can you can go free free game right over it but if it's something cool um be whatever it says kind of find somewhere else to write but I get it man guys go over everybody's stuff all the time. But yeah, he walks right up on him. And Benny's like, hey, man, what are you doing? You're writing over my piece. And the guys are like, oh, you go, oh, well, you guys KOS? And he goes, what do you mean? K?

What, of course, we're KOS. And Benny's kind of like, man, he goes, he pulls out his strap and he's pointing it at him. And that guy's like, come on, man. He goes, he said, what this is what writing's about, man. This is about just getting up. And he's like, I got, I got some silver in my bag. I could fix it.

I'm like, dude, you went right over almost the center of it. It's big, if you ever seen this film, big O KOS, big block letters all fancy looking and right in the middle is a big skull. And he's writing like right over that. I'm like, oh, dude. Like I said, it looks cool. He could have went over a few feet and did whatever you were doing on that. but Benny's out he pulled out his gun and uh

Cesar's kind of like hey man don't be disrespectful and then Benny's like man shut up he turns around points the gun in a Caesar's face but just then his little ankle monitor starts beeping and he's like oh man he goes if I don't get to the phone in the next however few minutes I'm gonna get busted so they kind of turn their attention away from that kid And that kid starts running and they're like oh man he's getting away and then Benny just

Whap, whap pops in a couple into his leg and they're like man he goes if I don't call I'm getting trouble so he starts walking away and Benny walks right past this guy and bow bow puts a few more into him and then just kills him and keeps walking but uh Pacco and Benny man they're obviously hella keyed so they're like come on man let's go Benny walks off by himself and Paco and Caesar walk off in another direction, leaving that kid laying there. I assume he's already dead because he ain't moving. So the next day in the class, they're looking around, and they don't see Benny there because Garfield's taking role, and they're kind of like, okay, whatever, he doesn't anything.

He just kind of marks it down. Next thing we see this little kid walking along, I don't know where he is, some street, but he finds something on the ground, and he picks it up, and he picks it up, and he puts it in his wagon. And then when the camera rolls up onto it, it's Benny's ankle. What are they called? ankle monitor.

ankle alarm, that little thing. So he's kind of like, well, we don't, kind of figured it was Benny's, something happened to him. We don't know. Ellen's kind of talking to Benny, and he kind of realizes that,

yeah, I think she's getting through to everyone because she's all happy. and was she interested in Garfield? I think a little bit once he took a strong interest in her education I think she never had

anybody kind of that positive in her life so I think a little bit there was a little kind of not a connection because it wasn't like that for Garfield but I think I think she did. Yeah, I think so. Because she's kind of just talking

and well, Benny hasn't been here at school. And she was telling like that his parole officer said he hasn't heard from him in a few days. So she's kind of like, uh, okay, but he's like, well, maybe, uh, you got what you prayed for or whatever because she was saying that Benny was harassing her. So she was kind of like, well, everything's all good, man. Just do your thing.

So the next, I guess, I assume later that evening, Ellen goes over to Garfield's house for dinner, whatever. So they're kind of just talking and doing their thing, talking about why they teach and all that type of stuff. So they're sitting there kind of hanging out and everything. And he's telling her story. She's telling him her story. And, of course, they're getting their little drink on.

and she was kind of just explaining to him about the KOS guys and what's going on with them and she's other she's not really seeing it but she's kind of saying that she's was scared of KOS the the crew or everything so and he's kind of just like you know what let's just let's have a good time so they kind of get up and they start doing a thing dancing And again, he dipped her or something. And she dumped her wine. She was holding on the back of her shirt. So, you know, let me go get another shirt.

And she runs in the kitchen to go get something to clean it up. But then when she goes into the bathroom, she walks up and then she, like, gas and drops, whatever. And she sees his back. and we see all the little scars from where he got stabbed. So she was just like, whoa. And it looked pretty gnarly, too, man. It looked like Swiss cheese because there's all kinds of holes in there. I'm like, damn, I mean, that nail, unless I had to cut skin out,

because they looked like there was holes, like the size of pennies, all in them. So, but she kind of, all right, I better go. he's like all right cool so she's just letting him know that yeah we had a good time and everything so she's out so next the next we see garfield just doing this thing getting ready for school he goes to school and of course it's hella hot especially in the valley where no breeze gets there and san brunadino and of son was the san brinino or san san fernando i know wherever is hot over in that direction but they're in the class and stevie and paco and caesar just on something because they're just spacing out in the back of the classroom but garfield's trying to teach them some stuff um so they have a

what is that a rat or was a hamster or something he was a mouse oh so he was trying to teach him some stuff so he kind of goes up to him and uh he was using uh was it chloroform was that what he was doing i think it was morphine because uh caesar caesar made a comment like can i get some oh yeah so he tried to get caesar to read a passage out of this book

and he was like i ain't reading that i don't reading that so he just kind of like come on just just do it so Caesar tries to read and he can't and everyone's laughing and then he just throws the book on on the ground. I knew some guys like this. They can read now, but yeah, I mean, they tough guys and could not read. I mean, that was another thing about some of the school systems. if you were a problem, they would just pass you, basically passing the buck, just to get you out of there as fast as they could. Yeah, I mean, a couple of my buddies were like that. Couldn't read, couldn't do nothing. Were they troublemakers?

Yeah, they were. And just moved them along. But as we got older, they kind of realized everything, like, what they were doing was stupid. So then they did the continuation schools, the GED and all that. I mean, they're all cool now. I mean, they straighten themselves out. Some of them are no longer with us, but they turn themselves around. A lot of them, like a few of my buddies, man, that were probably like the worst ones I grew up with are totally different now.

They turn their lives around. One of my buddies almost died. He got shot. and I guess it took that to turn his life around. So, I mean, he got a little limp, but he's all right, man. He did tell me later, he goes, man, some of the shit we did was stupid. And I was like, I was telling you that we were going up. You guys didn't fucking listen.

But anyway, so, yeah, Benny or Caesar just couldn't read. And he just, I'm sure they did that to him. We're just moving him along trying to get him out of the school. So he's kind of, he was still there. So Garfield is doing his little experiment with the mouse and everything. And basically he put some chloroform or whatever on that, a little piece of like a sugar cube or something. So the mouse ate it.

Next thing, you know, he was kind of knocked out. But he had this cool little. um pocket watch um and it was time in it and everything because caesar was like oh that's a cool watch why don't you let me have it and so they were timing it they were all watching it i think they gave him like 20 minutes or whatever and then that mouse just sprung back to life so everybody was kind of doing their thing everyone was gathered around that cage um but then garfield turned around to get some out of his bag and then when he turned around um his watch was gone so he's kind of like hey he's kind of yelling at uh caesar hey man come here give me my watch

but we see caesar kind of handed off to stevie and then they walk out because he's like i ain't got i ain't got your watch excuse me so garfield's kind of raced and over to the principals to see to let them know what happened it kind of runs across allen and she's telling them that um benny's not there and all this and he's kind of like you know what i mean everything will work out just do what you got to do he goes to the principal's office stevie caesar and uh paco are in there and he's kind of telling them that they basically they stole my watch and they're like kind of like no i think it's just stevie and caesar but the principal's kind of like well they're saying they didn't do it and you're

accusing them of this also their their teachers um union guy uh the shop steward or whatever uh is standing in there just to hear it all out and everything so he was accusing of him said yeah he goes he had my pocket watch i told him to give it uh he didn't have it and then he's telling him like i don't have it and he's asking him to do a locker search and they're like you can't do that and And the principal, he just doesn't want no problem. Yeah, because with the locker search, says that I was like, good, I can use the money. I'll sue you. Yeah.

She says many times in this movie. Because just accusing someone of something. I mean, these kids. And he decides telling him, he goes, yeah, man, he's got something wrong. He's been bothering me this whole time and just kind of yelling at him. The principal's just like, calm down. And then basically tells, all right, empty your pockets. so they start pulling all the stuff out of the pockets and they don't have nothing but cigarettes and shit like that

and that's when he asked that he goes yeah i want a locker search and they're like good yeah you i can use the money suing them so basically the see the principal's like all right you guys get out of here so they end up leaving and the principal's just like we don't want a lawsuit they don't have it there ain't nothing I can do about it so he's like he's just like

all right man whatever to me in Garfield I get it he's mad and they stole his shit but oh man he's he's a substitute

not real he's not in their system really I guess yeah a shop store tells him basically explains to him

how the principal is telling him he doesn't see them as students he sees them as clients oh yeah so garfield's kind of like man whatever and even that like the union guys basically tell him like look man you just this is how it is he just got to deal with it but garfield's like man he goes I'm sick of this shit I don't want to put up with it so he ends up kind of moving on he's given a Eleanor ride home from work and he's kind of looking around. She's talking, but he's not even listening because he's looking out of the window. But he notices that he sees Rita.

She's kind of getting into it with somebody. So he goes back home and he's doing this thing. And what he came up with is he gets a video camera and puts it up in like in the corner of his classroom. So he can film everything in it. But while he's in there, Rita comes. in and she's getting all mad about one of the teachers saying oh she hates me and she she's racist against me and and he's like well just what what do you want me to do and she's like she's doesn't like mean he goes why because uh you're latina and she's i'm chicana um and he's got

oh excuse me so but he he's just trying to calm her down and i get it she's mad i guess whatever work she turned in the teacher didn't give her the grade that she deserved or whatever so he's kind of just like look man you just need to calm down i'll help you uh with what you need to do and everything's gonna be all right because he ended up does looking at her paper and i think there was an f or something on it so she's all mad so she's kind of like all right and he goes you know what i'll tutor you just you know what come to my house and uh we'll work it out Right there. That is against the law.

From what I understand, you can't be alone, especially in your house with a student. So he's like, everything. So she's sitting there and he's like, oh, you're thirsty. You need something. And then he kind of goes to get some drinks. He comes walking back in while he's talking to her. And she, he gets back into the room and he's like, put your clothes back on. she's laying there on the couch

naked and he's like and she kind of gets up and starts putting everything on and he's just looking the other way like oh fuck just like oh man what is she doing here but then she's kind of

like embarrassed about it maybe that's just what she's been doing the yeah she told him she just wanted to thank him and yeah she thought that that that's a way to thank him yeah because she was the one that was in that little bungalow and all those guys were in there that yeah ran a train on him so he's kind of tell like look you it's all good let's forget it let's just let's just do this and next time

let's let's just meet in the library so she's like all right cool so we get uh more stuff in the with Caesar and the gang being assholes and he's kind of telling him like you can't be filming that man it's just like you're invading my privacy and all that the thing that's funny about this scene is his camera supposed to be up in the corner and it's zooming in on everybody's like it's right in front of Caesar's face and then right in his face

yeah then it's like right under Garfield's face and everything and Caesar's basically kind of tell I look man you're you're starting something that you you don't want to get into and he kind just gets mad and go then why don't you just go to the office so caesar kind of just starts talking shit and ends up leaving so I mean Garfield's getting to the point man he's trying to hold it together but uh these guys aren't having it so he he's got the idea you know what let me go to Caesar's house and talk uh to his

mom oh this is the part i didn't like because it reminded me a friend of mine and like it happened yesterday but in the scene um caesar is sitting there in his house watching tv and just drinking 40 or whatever and his mom is just crying speaking spanish to him telling him just do something with yourself and he's yelling at her like you need to show me some back get out of my way he's like pushing his mom out of the way from the tv and she's telling that you you're stealing for me and all that and he's like what he's yelling back at her he starts digging in his pocket and throwing money at her and she's just crying and crying and he's just uh so while this is all going on mr garfield shows up and he kind of goes in and he's

speaking spanish to her mom so his mom so she lets her in but then Caesar gets up what are you doing in my house get out of here and he starts yelling at Garfield and goes he can't be coming up in my house and he's trying to like look man let's just let's just squash everything and he tries to be cool with Caesar and Caesar's just going off why don't you get the fuck out of my house and he sticks his hand out like to shake it and Caesar's mom is like just this is my house just just calm down and Caesar just spits in Garfield's and then walks out. So the mom goes up and she

she's just trying to just apologize for him. So they kind of sit down and talk to him and she's like, there's nothing I can do. He just yells me and this and that. We could see that she's got a bruise on her face. There's a little kid sitting there in a high chair crying. And she's still crying. And he's kind of like, did he hit you?

And she's kind of not not saying anything. But then she's just, he's telling her that he's having problems at school and she's like there's i don't know what to do and then she's like sometimes she prays that uh jesus would would just take him oh man i was like whoa i mean even watching the scene now but watching it for the first time i was like man and i was thinking of my buddy um I don't know, there was, there was the time where I'm, I went up to go get him in his apartment and I just heard screaming and yelling and everything. The door was open, so I just went in just to make sure everything was all right.

He was yelling at his mom, well, his stepmom. But even still, I mean, I was like, I had to go in there and stop it. I was like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? And I had to grab him and just take him out of the apartment. yelled at him the whole way do what the fuck's the matter with you don't i get it you he just didn't like her i said you you you live there she lives there you you guys need to just squash this shit um i assume they got cool eventually later i mean she's no longer with his dad anymore but i was like dude man and i don't think he ever hit her well this is what he was telling

me um but yeah this scene when he's going off on his mom and just no respect for her i was like damn and it just it just took me back to that time uh when when i had to go into my buddies and and separate them and i was like oh i don't know what she said to him he never really told me but i was more of just do don't do that type of shit i mean you're way bigger than her so i'm What's the point of view? Manhandling her and everything. So he was much bigger than me, but I was mad. I just didn't like seeing that type of shit.

So anyway, so she's trying to explain to Garfield. He's like, everything's going to be okay. And she's kind of telling him, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. So Garfield, and he starts to get mad, and he ends up leaving. So as he's walking to his car, this is when Caesar and the gang all come running up on him. like hey man they start getting off and they start yelling about his boy benny and everything and he's just like you get the fuck out of here and he's got like a whole crew um no stevie and he's telling him but he's like

he goes oh he goes he goes is that what you're tough being uh putting your hand on your mom and when uh paco's like what's he's talking about and he goes he's lying man he goes i wouldn't do anything like that he starts saying some something in spanish to him yeah see that's why i said paco was the more level-headed one because once he said once he said he was hitting on his mom he was like what's he talking about? Yeah

so he gets in his car I'm surprised they just didn't jump him before as he kept walking out of the apartment but they're all screaming and yelling everyone's holding a 40 and he just gets in his car and starts backing up and then Caesar throws a 40 at his car and I don't know if it hit him

but he's like ah so the next scene as the next day all the students are at the classroom mr garfield shows up and his classroom is trashed it's just windows broken door broken off desk flipped over spray paint everywhere um they even killed uh the mouse or the rat they like put some scissors through him and he's like pinned uh to the desk um and uh what's his name Dave John Hurd he comes walking in and one of the kids is kind of like whoa look what they did to the rat and then he's like

what he goes you think that's funny did you do that shit and then he grabs the student and slams him against the wall and then golf field comes running up hey leave him alone he's a good kid so and I get it man he's mad I mean anyone would make you mad walking into something like this

so they're kind of like just but John Hurdy he starts yelling at man he can look you need to care of this so garfield storms out of the room he goes and finds caesar and the gang and walks up on them uh knowing that uh they did it and uh they're all sitting there puffing on wood and he goes what are you doing he goes smoking the chronic and he goes he goes he goes i ain't hooked on chronic i'm hooked on phonics so and they all get up and they start laughing and everything and he's telling look he goes did you

you guys know anything about what happened in bungalow 86 and they're like what and you guys know about that and everyone was like no we don't know nothing and then he's like kind of busy look and he goes i i know what you guys did and and i can't prove it and he's just like i know he goes you and i both know who's responsible for it and then caesar's like well i don't know the fuck you're talking about so he's he's all they're all sitting down on something and uh Garfield sees a little marijuana leaf ring. Caesar's wearing, he's like, hey, man, he goes, you need to give me that ring.

And he's like, what? And he goes, that's inappropriate attire. And he goes, better watch it. That's my trigger finger. So he's like, he kind of gets off on him and he's like, give it to me. And then he's like, what? And then he just, he kind of yells at him, because are you finished? And he goes, what am I finished?

and then he jumps up and then all of them jump up I notice like most of the girls ran away except for one she was down she jumped up she's standing there and Stevie's stupid ass oh man I ought to knock that kid out there's anybody that needed to get punched first Stevie's right in there thinking he's all rough and tough like he's gonna do something but then they kind of just he just walks off

like he can't do anything and sees her standing and there kind of doing the the trigger finger thing so mr gawfields he's getting to that boiling point he's just like ah there's nothing he can do but he's giving ellen a ride to to the airport i don't she is going to see i don't know family i can't remember but uh she left her dog with him saying they can you just watch charlie or whatever her dog's thing was so no he picked her up from the airport. Yeah, she'd already left for a couple days. They went to his

house to get her dog and then they go running. They know somebody spray painted something on his I can't remember what it said on his garage so he runs is it the one that said are you finished yet? I think they wrote

something like that on there. So he goes and runs to check the dog and we see the dog hanging over the wall and basically had a collar on a chain and basically hung the dog. So he's just like, ah, he's flipping out. And Ellen's all mad. He's in there trying to tell her just, it's everything's going to be okay. But he drugged her, didn't he?

Who, uh, Ellen? Yeah, I think he gave her something. He gave her something. I don't know if he drugged her, but I think he gave her something to calm down. Yeah, because she kind of just falls asleep. So we see Caesar out on the side of the freeway, and he's spray-painting some dog with a fatty in his mouth,

and he's all high or so drunk. Well, he's smoking, and he's got like a 40 or something in a bag. And he's so lit up, he falls down. This part was old buddy. He's walking along and doesn't know what's going on. He hears something. I think it was a wolf or a dog or something. Making some noise.

So he kind of turns around. Looks, oh, it's, um, let's go, coyote or a wolf. Look at coyote. He sees it and he's like stupid gato. Then he takes a hit and then an arrow hits him in the chest. And it's got a syringe needle at the tip. And he's like, oh. And he pulls it out.

He throws it on the ground. His stupid Indians. And then he takes a few steps and whatever was in that syringe. He's like, whoa. And then he boom. He just, he was like, they got some good shit. Then he just passes out. Ellen kind of wakes up and she's like, where the hell?

She knows where she's at? But she's kind of like, well, what's going on? so she starts looking around his apartment and i don't know she don't know why she starts digging in the drawers but um she finds uh the rosary during the film benny chaconne he had he always carried around rosary beads so she saw saw him in his desk and she was kind of like just looking at him and we already know that benny's been missing for i don't know why i assume a couple weeks by now um but the sun is coming up we go back Caesar's coming to

and he's like ah what happened he's all beat up looking and then he kind of puts his hand to his face and we noticed that his trigger finger in his right hand is gone and he's like ah he kind of comes through then we see the next

scene he's at the hospital or whatever and they're giving them something stabbers giving him a shot in his hand I don't know maybe I don't know numbing up or something but he starts

and the cops are there and he's like man he goes yeah the science teacher shot an arrow full of drugs or that's what they that's what the cops obtained to them saying he shot you up with drugs

and he chopped your finger off and he's like yeah man he goes that guy that fucking motherfucker did it and um he goes I know it was him he hates my guts and the cops are just laughing

and they're like man whatever And they're like, who's trying to cover four homes? And he's, the cops are just laughing at him. And they're like, man, whatever. But he's, he's, Caesar's telling him, look, man, I know it was him. He did it. And he goes, I know he did.

And then he's like crying too. And the cops are like, man, you know what, man, whatever. So we're outside in the lobby or in the nurses station. And there's something, a little package shows up. Says Caesar's name on it. And then she dumped something out. and it's Caesar's finger and it says written on it are you done question mark so we're back at Garfield's class he's doing his thing um I just I assume this was days later because he's in

there everyone everyone's having a good time talking and Caesar's there and his hand is all bandaged up and they're painting up the walls they're covering all the graffiti and everything Caesar's looking down at his finger they put it back on and he's looking at the are you done

so yeah it was a funny scene when they're doing the science class and they're talking about different parts of the hands and then they talk about the flangees everybody wiggle your flangees and Caesar is sitting there looking at his finger. So

Garfield goes to Allen's class and he's kind of like, hey, what's happening? And then she's kind of like, where were you when I woke up and you were gone? Oh, I went out for a run. And she's kind of like,

she knows something's happening. But she at this point can't prove it. So she's kind of like, okay, just trying to play like, play along like, nothing nothing's wrong so um caesar um mr garfield he is teaching uh tutoring rita in the library and he's helping to do her thing so everything's all good for her we go back to the classroom and no it's ellen's classroom she's in there and she's teaching the kids how to send emails

And then she kind of gets somebody sends her email and she opens it up. And basically went to everybody in the classroom and said, Mrs. Henry sleeps with N-words. And she's like, what? She kind of looks around. And she's looking around to the classroom. Everyone's looking at her because they all see who. what it says because it went to everybody's computer.

She starts scanning the room and we see Stevie's stupid ass sitting in the background. Yeah, as soon as she looks at him, he looks away real quick. Yeah, so she kind of typed something back on the computer and sends it to him. And his computer, ding, beeps or you got mail or whatever. And then so when he sees it, everyone looks. Because she basically sent them emails that go to the office. And one of the black students, he stands up and starts walking towards him. And Stevie's like, yeah, you can't prove shit.

And he goes, you can't prove anything. And then she's like, man, whatever. And he goes, he starts yelling at her. Like, I know you can't afford to lose this minimum wage job. And she goes, you're right, Stevie. He goes, we, I can't afford to leave. living a house south of the boulevard like you and then everyone starts laughing so we all know that he's a a little rich kid trying to be tough so she goes storming into the principal's office

to try to say something or into the office and then she notices a lady sitting there and the one of the receptionist tells her that that's uh benny's mom and they said she's just been sitting there uh i don't think she was praying or something so she kind of asks her speaking in Spanish about Benny and she's just saying that I know so basically saying I know something's happened to him. He hasn't

he's not home. He's not a school and all this. So, because they were saying that they found a body in the L.A. River and she thinks it's Benny. So I assume

just Ellen was like, you know what? I mean Ellen kind of realized something's wrong. She knows that Benny's missing, and she kind of thinks Mr. Garfield did something, but she can't prove it. So she goes down to the morgue with Benny's mom, to the coroner's office, and they go in and check so the mom can identify the body, and then she goes in there, and she sees that it is Benny. So she's crying, and Ellen's kind of like, oh, she knows. she knows something so she goes over to Garfield's house and confronts him about it

basically saying that I found these roads of green bees and there was a body in the LA River and and Garfield's like and she goes she went down to the corner's office with Benny's mom to identify the body and he's kind of looking around the room like okay what do you want me do about it

He's like, well, isn't it better that he's gone? Yeah, she's Inside, I'm sure she's like going, who he's gone, but I think it's eating her up to, she knows Garfield did it. Yeah, she wanted him gone, but not that way. Yeah. And he kind of just, I think he didn't come out and say it,

but basically, yeah, like, aren't you better that he's all right? and then she starts asking him, you don't know anything about Caesar's finger, do you? And he's like, uh, did you know Caesar beats his mother? And then he goes, he goes,

he's just telling her, well, well, not really telling her that he did it. But she is just like, looking at him like, I know you did it. You need to tell me.

And he's like, you know what? at some point people have to take the responsibility for their actions and he's like I mean look at Benny he goes what do you want what do they want and he goes we can't expect the system to protect us and she's not saying anything she's just looking at him and she's like she just ends up leaving so she's like all right oh no she walked into the other room and came back with the um the rosary beads

and then he's kind of like whatever but he tells her like I admire you and she goes he goes he goes you and I most think this place was this world was a good place and she's not having it she's just looking at him and

he's like kind of just telling her look man some kid stab me with a nail or whatever so she kind of just hands him the rosary beads and it takes off so i mean he basically was telling her that he did it but didn't tell her he did it so i but she pretty much has a good idea on what's going on back at the school there's a celebration going on um the dancing and singers and everything uh mr garfield's in the bathroom and the stevie's dumb ass walks in there uh talking shit saying that i know what she did to caesar and uh uh

I think I know what you did to Benny, but I can't prove it. And then Mr. Garfield's just like trying to walk away. And Stevie's all up in his face, man. He goes, did you do it? You kill my friend? He starts pushing Garfield. And he's just trying to like, just get out of my way. And he's like, I want some answers.

But then he just grabs Stevie and slams him against the wall. Leave me alone. And then he lets go with Stevie. And Stevie goes running out of the bathroom. He runs over to Paco. and Caesar and then he we don't know what he's saying he's just waving his hands and acting all tough so they they start looking around Caesar and them they go running up on Rita and they start pushing on her and telling him he goes what's she's like what's the problem you're the fucking problem goes are you fucking Garfield and

all this you know he killed Benny and she's like no get away from me he's like get over here he starts grabbing her and pushing her and he tears her blouse and he's all up on her some other guys try to run up on them and try to stop them, but then Stevie and Paco are pushing everyone away. And she's just like, get away from me. And he's like, you fucking bitch and all this. And then she just starts to run. He ends up slapping her. And then she just runs off. And they all go start to chase after her. But by this time, security comes running up and grabs all of them. So now they're having a

meeting at the school. And they're talking about the death of Benny and they were telling him that he died from a drug overdose but everyone's like oh no no it wasn't that and everyone's grumbling and they're trying to say yeah the

autopsy said it was he had morphine in his system and that's basically what heroin is and Stevie in the back jumps up and he goes it ain't the other kids we got to worry about it's about He's like, Benny was no junkie. And he goes, it ain't the gangbangers we got to worry about.

He goes, it's the teachers. And the principal's kind of like, that's the type of stuff we don't want getting out there. We don't want people saying. And he jumps up and says, it was Garfield. And then everyone's kind of looking around and the principal's starting to yell at Stevie. You say one more thing and you're in trouble. He's like, I can't prove it. And he goes, but I know he did it.

killed Benny too and and everybody's like just ah and the security started running over to them and they're like touch me I'll sue and then Stevie and Pac will go running out of the out of the room but before they go running out of the room they're like Garfield you're fucking dead and then he's just kind of like shrugging it off but we see uh Dave at the other end and he's laughing at it all so the meeting's over Dave's going to rush run running after Garfield, like, hey man, come on. Give me a ride home. So he takes Dave to his house and they're kind of just hanging out.

And Dave takes him into his garage. And then he opens up his gun cabinet. It doesn't look very safe. If you're going to have guns, have a gun safe. Just me. I might as it a safe. This shit just looks like you just pry out. open with a screwdriver yeah i mean it's just like one of the little cabinets you got in your

classroom you can just knock it open with a hammer that's probably where he got it it's up and he's got like a whole arsenal bunch of hand pistols so he's kind of just telling yeah just yeah this is what i got and he's showing around garfield's just sitting in there and telling them everything and uh he's telling him he goes yeah he goes well you know the the 357 i got it in my in my desk and he goes you know that and garfield's just looking at him like come on and then the dave is kind of telling them like come on man i know you thought about popping one of these little fools and he's just like looking at him and then he starts telling him talking about rita saying that he saw her

getting a train on her. He called you just calling her a little slut. And he's kind of like, this part, well, I was liking him until this part. But then he's like, come on. And he goes, I know you did her. And he's like, hell, even I had her. And Garville's looking at him like,

oh, man, you're drunk. So, let's, let's. it's not saying that doesn't happen in schools, but it shouldn't happen. Did it happen, though? Because I think she says it didn't happen later. Oh, I don't know. He's drunk, so maybe he's, maybe he's just lying. But I don't know. You hear all these stories on the news and everything about. I've never. I'm sure there has been, but most of these stories that make the news is lady teachers having inappropriate meetings with the teenage boys. You read, you go into the comment section on these things, and it just gets wild from there.

And I'm like, crazy world we live in boys and girls. It's wrong, first of all. So, but I don't know. But Dave starts asking him about Benny. And he's like, come on, man, you could tell me. And he goes, what about Caesar? And then he looks at him and goes, like, as he goes, I know you taking his finger.

And Garfield's kind of like, go to hell. No. And he's like, what, what are you talking about? And he's like, I'm not, basically saying, I'm not like you. So Garfield just gets mad at Dave and just kind of just leaves. But like Dave, he's, again, he's just there for the paycheck. But he's kind of trying to get answers out of Garfield. Because he's like, he's like, man, if you did it, you did it.

I support you. And I, but Garfield's just kind of keeping it to himself. Like, nah, I didn't. We didn't say anything, really. He just got up and left. But he goes back to his apartment and he's just sitting there and it's just getting to him. We go over to Caesar's house and he's watching deer hunter. You guys have seen that film.

Amazing film. I think it went best picture back in the day. and it's the scene when they're doing the Russian roulette scene with Christopher Walken. For those of you that haven't seen Deer, Hunter, their POWs at some camp. And the Vietnamese guys are making them play Russian roulette. So Caesar is sitting there watching this. And it looks like Garfield was at home watching it too. So the next day at school, Garfield is just sitting there and he's kind of waiting.

He's in the library waiting for Rita, but she doesn't show up because of what happened, I assume, the day before. So he's just kind of like, oh, man, whatever. So he ends up going to Rita's house and he's just trying to talk to her. and then she's just kind of like, nah, I'm good. But she doesn't want to say anything. I get it. She, I mean, you snitches get stitches.

I assume that that's how they're playing it. And he's just trying to help her. And she's like, she doesn't really want to talk. And he's just trying to like, man, he goes, he's like, you're, you're about to graduate. And he's like telling her, like, don't worry. about those guys I'll keep them away from you and she's just kind of like now I'm I'm not gonna go to school and he's like no come on you just you got to do it come on me you just got to

keep going to school and she's like nah I'm I'm all right I'm all right so he kind of just gets mad and he ends up leaving he's back at school and he uh Garfield's in the principal's office and he is the principal's telling telling us telling him that he's getting complaints and garfield is just sitting there and basically telling them we can't have this and we got to we got to let you go yeah they even he even knew about the reader going to his house which i was wondered how he found that out i i just assumed maybe she said something or maybe those guys guys were following her and saw her go to his house. So, I don't know. I can't have a feeling she wouldn't have said anything, but I just, maybe someone saw her.

So they're just saying that the school board doesn't need all this, this much heat. And since you're just, it's just temporary, we got to, we got to let you go. And it's fucked up, man, because he's just sitting there and just, tears pouring out of his eyes and he can't say anything and they basically well you can stay till friday and after that you got to you got to get going excuse me so he's just all right so he kind of just all right man he doesn't he doesn't know what to do so he ends up kind of just walking out but then ellen she she's getting she's getting talked to by um uh, their union guy.

And he, she's trying to tell him about, uh, the rosary beads. And he's telling them, right. I mean, just everyone's got told them. Yeah. Just don't worry about it. So she's just trying to like, hmm, all right. And I get it. This, this guy, he's, the leader of the, the union teachers.

And he, he does, he's probably the same thing. He doesn't, he's probably the same thing. He doesn't want to have to deal with what the consequences are of something like this in a school because it's a lot of red tape. You got a lot of hoops you got to jump through. And there is bottom line. They don't want to deal with it because it always makes everything bad. And then it gets to, excuse me, we're not going to get funding if shit like this is happening in our schools, basically. So he's kind of like just, yeah, you just got to suck it up and go along with it.

so but Garfield pretty much packs up his stuff and he starts going he goes out to his car and he sees that someone scratched 187 or keyed into his car so he's kind of just pissed and he just gets in his car and goes home back at his house it's all spray painted up says are you done KOS and what's up now and 187 all over his house and he just sits there he just looks at it and goes in across the street waiting in the car we see Caesar, Paco and Stevie's fake ass

sitting in there and they're basically like, all right man, let's just we'll get ready. Let's go in there. So they're in there. First, we didn't talk about the scene where they all shaved their heads. Oh yeah, that was coming. They're sitting there and they're getting ready loading their guns and then he hands

him a little razor blade so Stevie shaves off all Paco's hair and then Paco ends or Stevie shaves his head Caesar's already bald

so I ain't got to shave none I don't know what the point was of shaving their heads but all right so Garfield is just sitting there and in there I think he was just sitting there waiting he knew they were coming and so they all gear up and they go into

Garfield's house Garfield is just sitting there. He hears them coming in and then Caesar all of them have their guns pulled out on him and then Caesar kind of asks him and goes look he goes Did you kill my friend Benny and did you cut off my finger? He needs to like I want you hear you say that shit And then he Garfield just leans up and looks at him and says yeah. I did And they're like, fucking it. Stevie's like, I told you. He did it. And then so all three of them got guns and they're all pointing it at him. And Caesar's like, nah, man, this guy's mine.

So he's just pointing the gun at him. He pulls a trigger and it clicks. And then he holds out his other hand and it's got all the shells in it. And then he asked some Garfield. Did you ever see Deer Hunter? And then he kind of just looks at him. and so now they're sitting down at the table and he puts in one uh one bullet into the chamber and spins it hands him the gun said here pull the trigger and garfield's you can see the look on his face like he

just he don't care anymore so he reaches over he picks up the gun and he's holding it and then he cocks the the hammer back and then he just goes ah and pulls the trigger he pulls the trigger he pulls a trigger twice and nothing happens and he's kind of jenig goes that match macho enough for you and then does that make you does that make me a man and then caesar's just kind of like going off and then but this is when um garfield starts trying to reason with him like here now it's your turn and he's like that's not how we're playing the game with oh you you go you can't play your own games and He's, Cesar's just staring at him and Garfield is just talking to him telling him that, look, man, he goes, everything that, that I was is gone.

And he's just kind of yelling at him. And he goes, he goes, you can't hurt me. He goes, what you're doing? This, this is bullshit, basically. And how your life is bullshit. So he picks, since Caesar wouldn't pick up the gun, Garfield grabs it again, puts it to his head and pull. the trigger again and it just clicks and then he's he's yelling at caesar like come on man do it do it and his boys are like no man don't do it don't do it and then he's like what you're not mad

enough to play your own games and then caesar's just kind of like he goes tell he tells him that he's scared and then Paco's like man shut up and pistol whips uh garfield he kind of just he kind of just rolls over and just turns his head he hits him in the mouth and his mouth is bleeding so he's still going off but he's not yelling yet he's just kind of telling uh caesar what are you can do so caesar he picks up the gun and those guys are what are you doing man don't do it and he's like and caesar's like you're disrespecting me you're saying i ain't a man and he's telling he was no man i say you're a fool so caesar puts the gun to his head and he pulls a trigger and nothing nothing happens so he's just like oh man come on so

caesar reaches down he puts another bullet into it doesn't he yeah i think there was two in there so because garfield is like oh you you you think you got do you you you disrespect to you the only thing you respect is stupidity and it starts yelling at him and then this is but this is the scene when he's telling him that are you willing to die for stupid stupidity and he goes that what they teach you and goes he's like you can't kill me home boy what i am was when what i was died over a year ago so everything you wanted everything ever wanted from me has been taken from me and he goes no matter how many of you i get rid of i can't get it back and then he starts yelling i was a teacher i wanted to help you you can't kill me and he pulls the

he gets the gun again and pulls it to the trigger or stick to his head pulls the trigger and then he slams the gun down and you can't scare me and everyone's like man that Stevie's like he's fucking crazy and then he's like oh yeah I'm crazy he goes isn't that what you guys respect isn't that what you ride on the walls he starts yelling at Caesar telling him he goes come on man be a man he goes don't be stupid

he goes, don't be half-ass stupid, be all the way stupid. And he's yelling at him, take the gun. And he's like, just put it to your head and pull the trigger. And Caesar's like, looking at the gun, you can see he's like, like he's on the verge of crying. And he's yelling at him, do it. And his boys are looking at it like, what the fuck are you doing? So Caesar picks up the gun or he's holding it. And Garfield's yelling, do it.

do it and then Caesar's not doing it goes he starts yelling at him he's like your whole way of life is bullshit macho is bullshit and then Caesar just stands up that's all I got and then he's looking at him

and then Garfield's looking at it goes oh so now you're a victim and he goes let me take your turn for you Garfield grabs the gun Cox the hammer back the camera kind of zooms in on Garfield's face, he pulls the trigger. Boom, it goes off.

And then he goes down. So they're like, fuck. And then Paco's like, oh, man, he wasted himself. And then he's like, Stevie's kind of like, oh, this is probably the first time he ever seen something like this. And Paco's like, damn, he's out. He smoked himself. And they're like, come on, man, let's go.

And then says, I was like, nope, he took my turn. turn and they're like what and he goes I could have taken my own motherfucking turn and like so fucking what man he's dead let's go and he's like nah he goes I gotta do it and he's like come on see Paco's trying to stop him like no no come on we gotta go they're speaking Spanish I don't know it's something about let go of the gun in Spanish and then Caesar's like I got one and six chances so he puts the gun to his head and he goes I'm gonna beat this bitch and then he pulls the trigger and

it goes off it goes off so Caesar did he he falls with the ground Paco and Stevie are just like Pacco ends up running out of the house and then Stevie's standing there looking at him

and then he just kind of like man why'd you do that man he goes what's the fucking point and then he's like on the verge of crying and he just walks out the camera goes down and we see Caesar sprawled out onto the table

and Garfield's land on the floor and both of them are dead. That scene was it made it point. It was a really strong point. Basically the lifestyle that they were living like they said was bullshit. Everything

that you're doing with your life is bullshit. And I agree with it, man. I mean, what they're doing that the lifestyle that they living especially season man he was trying to just be rough and tough but man i he said you want me to feel sorry for you i mean i know i don't know i just feel sorry for caesar i mean he put himself in that position and was living his life that way and what makes me like good he's dead is because he how he was treating his mom and everything and that's that's just stuff you just don't do

but I mean but Caesar man I think he was getting to him what Garfield was saying was getting to him that's why he got up and and was on the verge of crying saying that's all because he was telling him

your way of life is bullshit and he just got up because that's all I got and to me how I took that is that was just an excuse I mean I grew up around a lot of

bullshit and did I do some of the bullshit of course I did but I kind of stayed away I got out of it I just kind of all right you guys that's what you want to do go go do it I'm gonna go this way and ride my skateboard I want to say skateboarding probably saved my life because I could have been went the other way and did the shit that some of my friends were doing it but and again well I scared the cops no like I said before I was scared of my mom because I didn't want that ass beating that I got from

all the stupid shit I did I mean I think back at it now all the times that I got disciplined was because I was doing stupid shit I mean my mom didn't just discipline us to just to do it

it was because of the shit we were doing my brother and I the stupid shit we were doing that we shouldn't have been doing I'm not saying beat your kids, but it was a different time back in the 70s and 80s. Can't do that shit now. Kids are called the cops on you. But just try to, it's rough.

I get it. If you're a parent, it's tough to deal, especially when they get into the teenage age. It's rough, man. We all go through it. And I see where my mom was going with us. I mean, but then don't just beat your kids. And you shouldn't do that anyway. Just try to work it out different times everyone.

But yeah, all the ass weapons we got. I can say for myself, yeah, I probably deserved it. But I don't know, different times everyone. But yeah, Caesar, the way he was living his life, man. And Garfield, like he said, he goes, I was your teacher. I was trying to help you. And that's what he was trying to do. And I'm sure he was probably trying to help method man, whatever his name was in the beginning.

I'm sure he was trying to help him too. And he was trying to help Rita. And she didn't. She graduated. Yeah, she ended up graduating. She ended up going back to school. And I think she was valedictorian because she started talking about, she kept calling him Mr. G.

As Rita graduated. Stevie, who was filled with. Morrison feels disillusioned with gang life leaves K-O-K-OS and Paco the only surviving member of KOS drops out of school yet stays behind long enough to watch the graduation before disappearing into the city Yeah, because we see I mean this

The graduation scene at the end of the film was obviously months later. I don't know exactly when that happened when Garfield's season. or went out but because stevie's hair grew back and they're all there and uh yeah but rita did she did in a good speech talking about what um because she even said don't don't listen or don't believe what was written about uh mr garfield in the papers and she knows that that wasn't him because uh he was uh trying to help her because she because she even said I don't know if he did all those things that he said, but what he did for me, he was there to help me.

So I liked what she said. And we see Stevie sitting there. And Caesar's kind of just hanging out. Or not Caesar. Paco. He's sitting there looking out. But then we see some. Oh, we see Ellen.

She goes into, looks like she went into her classroom. Oh, no, into Garfield's classroom and cleaned it all up. While Rita is talking, given this speech, the cameras go to the morgue, and we see all these dead bodies in there. And two of the bodies are Caesar and Mr. Garfield. I don't know why they have Caesar's body staring at Mr. Garfield. All right. Yeah, Alan was the one that went into Mr. Garfield's class and just cleaned up all of his stuff. Yeah, she ended up resigning too.

Yeah. But Rita gave a good speech. I won't go into all the stuff that she said, but she was basically telling thank you to Mr. Garfield. And yeah, Rita, or what's her name? Ellen, she just went in there and just basically threw all her stuff away. and just left and then that was pretty much the end of your movie but at the very end of the film it says

and one one in nine teachers has been attacked in school 95% of those attacks were committed by students and it was just a metropolitan life survey and that's true I mean like I said and then it also says

the teacher wrote this movie there's tons of videos out there now with cell phones everyone's got to camera going and any time stuff goes on we see teachers getting into it with students students getting into it with teachers students going at each other and it's tough and like i said man everybody has a a boiling point and what some of the teachers have to deal with with the students like this that were portrayed in this film not everywhere not not in every school but i'm sure um it could happen in any school.

I mean, have I gotten to it with teachers? Yes, I have. But when I got into it with teachers, it was over some of the stuff that they were teaching us, mainly in history. I mean, schools will only teach you what they want, what they're instructed to teach you

and what's written in the history books. I got into it because I was questioning those teachers and what they were teaching us and then kind of got into an argument. I didn't get to the point where we're going to put our hands on one another. I mean, I was more asking, why isn't this happening? Why isn't this in the book? Why are you only covering this and all that?

You're leaving all this out, and then it turns in no big old argument. But I've also seen assholes in class being assholes. And next, you know, teachers and students are on each other's face. I could say in a perfect world, it wouldn't happen. but this isn't a perfect world. So I kind of have a feeling. I mean, it does happen and it's sad when it does, especially when something like this happens in the film or in life.

But there's plenty of movies out there like this one. But I would say this is one of the better ones. It was really good. Everybody acting in it did what they did their job. And it was an amazing film. And a teacher wrote this story. So. Yeah.

what this teacher saw um the budget for this film was 20 million damn it only boxed off is 5.7 but it probably did good once it hit video rental and everything but this is a film i think everyone should see for those of you that mostly listening is probably already seen this but um if you haven't and you're listening this far definitely seek this film out it is on amazon if you have prime and there is a copy of it on YouTube. Everyone's got YouTube. And it's free. Just type in 187 full movie and it's on there.

Somebody uploaded it. But yeah, man, this film was awesome. I mean, it made all its good points. Some people, oh, it's just some gangster movie. Yeah, it is. But it had a point in the whole story on what was going on and what this teacher, Mr. Garfield,

which was living with, being attacked in New York, trying to go keep his career somewhere going in another state on the other side of the country to fall right back into what he left. And it was sad, though, I mean, the way it ended.

I mean, just, like he said, I was trying to help you. And it just turned out. And I think at that point, in his life and in the film he just I wouldn't say he was giving up but he was at that point

of giving up because everything like he said everything was taken away from me he goes I don't have anything that's why he's yelling and he goes you can't scare me he goes you can't whatever you do to me you can't scare me so that's why he was able to just go off on him

But then playing that Russian roulette, man. He was ready to die. Garfield. That's why he kept pulling the trigger. He didn't just pull the trigger once. He was pulling it like twice. And he did it over and over and over. And then there finally comes around and boom.

It got him. But I liked how after he got it in Caesar, I mean, just the machinness that he thought he had and he just even said it was I got I got a chance too and then boom

it did it but I mean Stevie I think at that point he kind of realized it yeah like he says when he leaves the room like yeah what's this point yeah I mean you should have thought about that before trying to be all rough and tough and everything

thing but I want to know like yeah I mean we we never know what happens after these movies especially when it's a one and done we don't want a part two the the further adventures of stevieby but oh god I've never seen that kid in anything else have you no I'm on Wikipedia and you can't even no you can't click his name no you can't click his name Jonah Rooney it's seven movie let me see there's a stevie littleton IMDB is on there you see if he's done anything else

oh we'll always be Stevie Littleton um oh he's in a movie with my girl Winona Ryder How to make an American quilt I don't Well he did that before

187 Just says boyette party Oh he was just in the background Yeah And that was the first thing he did They did a lot of TV. I think the last thing he did here was Tom Cool. Something in 2009.

I don't know if he's still acting, but he's at least got, excuse me, two movies. Looks like that's all. This was his last movie, movie, everything else was TV. I don't know where he's at. just says Los Angeles and he's only known for this

and how maybe nobody could make a quilt maybe nobody couldn't see and nothing but Stevie they hated it for it what about Paco Demetrius Navarro I've seen him in a few things he's a director

and he's directed 16 things looks like the last thing you did the last year a Nashville wish I will not be watching this a country singer falls for the girl of his dreams and has chosen between love and his dreams of stardom in Nashville

is a lifetime movie I guess it's ready PG streaming on Prime and the Roku channel if any of you have interest in in this I mean good for him man he was directing he was in Friday

he was Hector. Oh, that was him, huh? What's up, Smokey? Fuck you. How could it be like it, Hector? You know I'm going to out smoking weed with him, man. Oh, so he decided to smoke with the big boys, eh,

Smokey? Friday. Well, he's directing, man. Good for him, man. He's out there doing it still. He's still working. He's behind the camera now. Damn, he did.

hell of shit bullet ride uh ditching party American low rider what's that I think that's one with a juice from

sons of anarchy um oh he's in he's he's hector in it and he directed it um one of the guys with blood in blood out are in it uh

who else So, um, Dibo, tiny, he's in it. He passed, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah, 20-20. Rest of peace, Dibo. Or he'll be, uh, Zeus. Oh, that is him from blood and blood out.

Chewy. Yeah. Oh, John Amos, rest in peace. He's in this. Danny Treo. Emilio Rivera. Damn, there's hell of fools in this. Where's this at?

American Lowrider FreeVee and Prime Video They got Chingo Bling I ain't heard him since Chingle bling I ain't heard And he's a rapper from Texas Cingo Chingo Bling the Tamali Kingpin

What? Yeah He was funny Is this his wife Or Linda Navarro? No Is that his last name Navarro? yeah

I don't know if that's his wife or his sister I don't know but I have to check this one out it's a comedy so don't expect anything

but yeah I mean everybody in this movie uh was awesome um Clifting Collins Jr he's yeah he's definitely an all star

he's been in all kinds of things shit he was a Star Trek Oh, he was He was an alien I remember that All right What shit Is he directed anything?

He has He's directed Some stuff I know he writes a lot of stuff Oh it's a music video video Oh he's a music video director Anything Tack you cack

Anything anything new coming for him something called eatington unspeakable the murder of somebody oh john baney ramsie i don't want to watch anything like that train dreams something coming out this year must be big you got felicity jones in it earle joel edgerton william h macy just says drama uh we're going to get You're way off. 187, everybody. Check it out.

It's a crime and YouTube. It's your pick, Nez. Um, stream themes. Shit. Um, there was one I was thinking, too, that fucking A. Um, you know, I was thinking about it. When I was riding home, I should have wrote it down.

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oh no no no no i'm sorry that was a tv show never mind um you guys did the crow didn't you oh um 1992 did you watch that with uh Tyrese baby boy yeah

no not yet well watch that I just watched it. It's on stars. Okay. So. All right. There's a movie that came out last year, but it just just came to stars. Yeah, I've seen the trailer.

I guess it was in the theater, but nowhere in my area. So if you guys want to be down, and you have stars. It's out there. Nineteen92. Check that one out with Tyrese, baby boy. and um the late and great ray leota

check that movie out streaming on stars really quick a shopkeeper must save his son from an angry mob during the 1992 LA uprising after the rodney king verdict oh scott scott eastwood

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